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| enikanorov__ | hi | 14:01 |
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| Vijay_ | Hi | 14:01 |
| obondarev | hi folks | 14:01 |
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| enikanorov__ | letf wait for 2 more minutes | 14:02 |
| enikanorov__ | *lets | 14:02 |
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| enikanorov__ | hi s3wong | 14:03 |
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| s3wong | Hello | 14:03 |
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| enikanorov__ | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 12 14:03:31 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is enikanorov__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:03 |
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| enikanorov__ | #topic announcements | 14:03 |
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| enikanorov__ | yesterday agent unification patch was merged | 14:04 |
| enikanorov__ | which means that any vendor plugin driver that want's to use agent should do it with our framework | 14:05 |
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| enikanorov__ | HAProxy driver is the one and only plugin driver at the moment, which utilizes that | 14:05 |
| evgenyf | Hi All | 14:05 |
| enikanorov__ | but it should be fairly easy now to ad drivers for similar solutions like nginx | 14:06 |
| enikanorov__ | hi evgenyf | 14:06 |
| enikanorov__ | any questions on unified agent? | 14:07 |
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| enikanorov__ | ok, lets move on to the next topic | 14:08 |
| enikanorov__ | #topic third party testing | 14:08 |
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| songole | Would the agent be doing appliance VM instantiation in future? | 14:08 |
| enikanorov__ | songole: it is possible | 14:09 |
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| enikanorov__ | ok, so back to the testing, we have 2 tempest scenarios on review that we hope will land soon | 14:09 |
| enikanorov__ | they already could be used to perform end-to-end testing of the service | 14:10 |
| enikanorov__ | and actually helper us to identify the issues with our patches | 14:10 |
| enikanorov__ | does anyone want to update on integration with jenkins? evgenyf? | 14:10 |
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| Vijay_ | I have Eugene | 14:11 |
| Vijay_ | One question regardin Testing infra setup. We were able to subscribe to events inspect the files on the patch submitted. | 14:11 |
| enikanorov__ | the deadline for this was I-2, but i don't see much activity on vendor side | 14:11 |
| evgenyf | We are working on OpenStack testing env. establishment | 14:11 |
| evgenyf | Will update about the Jen. integration in a minute | 14:11 |
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| enikanorov__ | Vijay_: so what's the question? | 14:12 |
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| Vijay_ | Will just refreshing fetching latest Neutron code and re-starting neutron service will do to refresh the code | 14:13 |
| Vijay_ | or is it advisable to run "stack.sh" and do the setup again? | 14:13 |
| enikanorov__ | Vijay_: yeah, stack.sh should be run. fetaching and restarting the service is not sufficient | 14:14 |
| Vijay_ | We are halfway through, next week we will have more progress. | 14:14 |
| enikanorov__ | good | 14:14 |
| obondarev | BTW are you guys aware of today's meeting on third party testing at 17 UTC? | 14:14 |
| evgenyf | enikanorov__, What you mean by integration with Jenkins? | 14:14 |
| obondarev | I believe similar questions will be discussed there | 14:15 |
| enikanorov__ | evgenyf: your system should post back the testing result, as far as i understand the requirement | 14:15 |
| Vijay_ | ok. will try to join. Thanks obondarev. | 14:15 |
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| evgenyf | We are not there yet, Working on environment and running tests | 14:16 |
| enikanorov__ | ok, good | 14:16 |
| enikanorov__ | did you try those tempest scenarios in your lab yet? | 14:17 |
| Vijay_ | We will try it next week and update. | 14:18 |
| enikanorov__ | ok | 14:18 |
| evgenyf | enikanorov__, Not yet. BTW, as far as I know, we should push results back to gerrit, right? not Jenkins. | 14:18 |
| enikanorov__ | any queestions on testing? | 14:18 |
| enikanorov__ | evgenyf: oh right, mistyped my thought :) | 14:19 |
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| evgenyf | enikanorov__, ok , good | 14:19 |
| Vijay_ | No we can move on | 14:20 |
| enikanorov__ | ok | 14:20 |
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| enikanorov__ | #topic L7 rules | 14:20 |
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| enikanorov__ | evgenyf: any update? | 14:20 |
| enikanorov__ | i saw avishay has pushed some patch on gerrit, but have not yet looked at it | 14:21 |
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| evgenyf | enikanorov__, Avishay will not join today. He asked me to update that he pushed first patch, inluding data layer modifications | 14:21 |
| enikanorov__ | i see. in order to add this feature we'll need consistent patches: API change+ model change+ migration+ ut's | 14:22 |
| enikanorov__ | so it seems like lot of work yet to be done | 14:22 |
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| evgenyf | OK. Will tell him | 14:22 |
| enikanorov__ | also there should be cli for that and tempest API tests (at least) | 14:23 |
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| enikanorov__ | so any major feature require lots of work... | 14:23 |
| enikanorov__ | ok, lets moe to the next one then | 14:23 |
| enikanorov__ | loadbalancer instance | 14:23 |
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| enikanorov__ | #topic loadbalancer instance | 14:24 |
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| enikanorov__ | the initial implemetation is on review. the patch is not fully ready, but it passes gate tests including tempest API tests | 14:24 |
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| enikanorov__ | which means that new API is fully backwards compatible | 14:25 |
| Vijay_ | cool! | 14:25 |
| enikanorov__ | cli-side is also on the gerrit | 14:25 |
| enikanorov__ | now i'm working on tempest API tests for the new resource | 14:25 |
| enikanorov__ | that's all on loadbalancer instance at the moment | 14:26 |
| enikanorov__ | any questions? | 14:26 |
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| enikanorov__ | ok | 14:27 |
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| enikanorov__ | lets move to SSL | 14:27 |
| s3wong | enikanorov: this is the reivew, right? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60207/ | 14:27 |
| enikanorov__ | #topic SSL termination | 14:27 |
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| enikanorov__ | s3wong: right | 14:28 |
| evgenyf | Vijay commented my WIKI updates | 14:28 |
| evgenyf | Modified it accordingly. Waiting for you review guys | 14:29 |
| enikanorov__ | ok | 14:29 |
| evgenyf | Will try to catch Mark just to be sure the direction is good | 14:30 |
| evgenyf | All these new entities etc.. | 14:30 |
| enikanorov__ | ok, good | 14:30 |
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| enikanorov__ | would be good to see any implementation proposal in I-2 | 14:31 |
| Vijay_ | Hi Evg, default policy is not a UI only feature right? | 14:31 |
| enikanorov__ | or most certainly it will not land in icehouse | 14:31 |
| evgenyf | Vijay, No | 14:31 |
| Vijay_ | ok thanks! | 14:31 |
| evgenyf | I mean, right:) | 14:31 |
| Vijay_ | ?? :-( | 14:32 |
| evgenyf | I'm working on it. Will push initial work soon. | 14:32 |
| enikanorov__ | ok, cool | 14:32 |
| evgenyf | Just want to be sure Mark is aware of the design | 14:32 |
| enikanorov__ | yeah, that is a good approach | 14:33 |
| evgenyf | Vijay, It's not onlu UI feature | 14:33 |
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| enikanorov__ | ok, another topic i would like to discuss is a various HA proposals we had | 14:33 |
| enikanorov__ | obondarev: could you update? | 14:33 |
| obondarev | sure | 14:33 |
| obondarev | HA for agents is on review | 14:34 |
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| obondarev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59743/ | 14:34 |
| obondarev | still struggling with random unit test failures | 14:34 |
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| obondarev | there is a race I guess | 14:34 |
| obondarev | need to add some more unit tests and fix the race | 14:35 |
| Vijay_ | Evg: In that case, lets add the default policy description in the "Resources change" title in the place where we are describing "SSL policy " | 14:35 |
| obondarev | this patch only works for plugins that are not host specific | 14:35 |
| enikanorov__ | i still think the design could be different for the case when agent manages the device and not the process | 14:35 |
| obondarev | enikanorov__: can you please clarify? | 14:36 |
| enikanorov__ | as we discussed, it could be solved with a common queue instead of scheduling | 14:36 |
| evgenyf | Vijay, will do | 14:36 |
| obondarev | enikanorov__: yeah, I put some thoughts on it to the bp description | 14:37 |
| enikanorov__ | I'd sent an email to oos-dev wtih those two options | 14:37 |
| enikanorov__ | and ask for opinions | 14:37 |
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| obondarev | there is a common problem with common queue | 14:37 |
| enikanorov__ | which one? | 14:37 |
| obondarev | not specific for lbaas even | 14:38 |
| obondarev | that some action should be processed consequntly | 14:38 |
| obondarev | actions* | 14:38 |
| enikanorov__ | can you give an example? | 14:38 |
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| obondarev | with many agents listening to one queue there might be races | 14:39 |
| enikanorov__ | not really | 14:39 |
| obondarev | not sure I'm ready with an example now | 14:39 |
| enikanorov__ | it is not different as with 1 agent | 14:39 |
| obondarev | we discussed it with sgran | 14:39 |
| enikanorov__ | which processes messages in multithreading fashion | 14:39 |
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| enikanorov__ | ok, lets discuss it offline | 14:40 |
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| obondarev | ok , I agree second approach is possible, need to collect pros and cons | 14:41 |
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| enikanorov__ | ok, another topic is ha for haproxy | 14:41 |
| obondarev | yeah | 14:41 |
| obondarev | not started yet thiugh | 14:41 |
| enikanorov__ | do you have a design in mind? | 14:42 |
| obondarev | I look toward haproxy + keepalived approach | 14:42 |
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| s3wong | I can look into HA for haproxy, since it should be done via haproxy + keepalived | 14:42 |
| obondarev | that is what I was plannin to start tomorrow or next week | 14:42 |
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| enikanorov__ | ok, no hurry i think | 14:43 |
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| enikanorov__ | but anyway, keepalived approach seems to me quite complex, considering os environment | 14:43 |
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| enikanorov__ | whoever takes care of that, don't forget to write a wiki page with the design | 14:44 |
| obondarev | sure | 14:44 |
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| enikanorov__ | any other items to discuss? | 14:45 |
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| Vijay_ | i have one quick quesetion regarding testing. | 14:45 |
| Vijay_ | You said that I-2 is the deadline | 14:45 |
| Vijay_ | this is for what? | 14:45 |
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| enikanorov__ | this is to provide a system for testing vendor plugins | 14:46 |
| enikanorov__ | that is integrated with gerrit | 14:46 |
| enikanorov__ | if your plugin is not yet in the tree, than you don't need to hurry | 14:46 |
| Vijay_ | ok | 14:47 |
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| Vijay_ | anything else? | 14:48 |
| enikanorov__ | not from my side | 14:48 |
| enikanorov__ | i think we can end the meeting | 14:48 |
| Vijay_ | ok. Bye Everyone! | 14:48 |
| s3wong | Thanks! Bye! | 14:48 |
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| enikanorov__ | thanks for joining | 14:48 |
| enikanorov__ | #endmeeting | 14:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 12 14:48:59 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2013/neutron_lbaas.2013-12-12-14.03.html | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2013/neutron_lbaas.2013-12-12-14.03.txt | 14:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2013/neutron_lbaas.2013-12-12-14.03.log.html | 14:49 |
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| evgenyf | bye | 14:49 |
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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 12 15:01:11 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:01 |
| dragondm | o/ | 15:01 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:01 |
| thomasem | o/ | 15:01 |
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| Alexei_987 | \o/ | 15:01 |
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| gordc | o/ | 15:02 |
| eglynn | jd__: I just update the agenda | 15:02 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:02 |
| eglynn | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ceilometer#Agenda | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | (... was last week's previously) | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | #topic Models validation (Alexei_987) | 15:03 |
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| jd__ | go ahead Alexei_987 | 15:03 |
| Alexei_987 | I have a patch with a draft proposal https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60885/ | 15:03 |
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| Alexei_987 | dhellmann says that that's should not happen cause we already have validation in WSME + possibly nova-objects | 15:04 |
| Alexei_987 | my reasoning is the following: storage/models is the middleware between different application layers - API, storage | 15:04 |
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| Alexei_987 | this is the exact place validation should be | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | from the gerrit comment trail doesn't sound dhellmann is ruling your approach out | 15:05 |
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| Alexei_987 | we discussed it a little bit in chat yesterday | 15:05 |
| eglynn | ... more just taking the conversative "let's see if anything we have already can do the job" approach, no? | 15:05 |
| dragondm | Yah, I looked at that earlier. Using __slots__ for that is an interesting idea (I've done the same for an ORM I wrote awhile back for some internal Rackspace stuff), but yah, I think we just need to agree on a direction here. | 15:06 |
| dperaza | Alexei_987: maybe a blueprint linked to patch explaining the validation benefits will help | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | Alexei_987: did dhellmann come down more firmly against your approach in your IRC discussion? | 15:06 |
| dperaza | that way we can all pitch in help with review | 15:06 |
| Alexei_987 | ok in such case I'll have to create a comparison of existing validation scenarios | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | Alexei_987: that sounds reasonable to me | 15:07 |
| Alexei_987 | to create an overview of possible options | 15:07 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: you got this right | 15:07 |
| Alexei_987 | ok I guess we all agreed on this | 15:08 |
| jd__ | the point dhellmann raised and I agree, is that we shouldn't write another set of code of does validation | 15:08 |
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| jd__ | we should leverage something else, that something else being to be determined, I'm working on that | 15:08 |
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| Alexei_987 | yeah but still I insist that we should use slots and have the validation in models | 15:09 |
| Alexei_987 | this will allow us to remove duplication of logic in API and storage | 15:09 |
| Alexei_987 | related to query processing | 15:09 |
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| jd__ | Alexei_987: again, we're not against validating, we're against writing code that does the validation | 15:10 |
| dperaza | Alexei_987: how will that look at the API layer | 15:10 |
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| dhellmann | the issue I have with the patch is not *where* the validation is being done, it is with the fact that it creates another framework for declaring classes, types, and validators | 15:11 |
| Alexei_987 | on API layer we'll reuse models to do the validation of incoming parameters | 15:11 |
| dperaza | is there work needed on API to catch exception and raise the right http error code | 15:11 |
| Alexei_987 | dhellmann: it's not a framework. it's a tiny piece of code that does it | 15:11 |
| dperaza | or will that show as 500 on client side | 15:11 |
| Alexei_987 | dperaza: it will catch exception and fire a 400 code with description from exc message | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | Alexei_987: that "tiny bit of code" is completely different from the 2-3 other ways we do the same thing elsewhere, so it doesn't matter how big it is | 15:12 |
| Alexei_987 | true but we don't have nova objects :) | 15:12 |
| Alexei_987 | and WSME validation won't do on models layer | 15:12 |
| dperaza | Alexei_987: will this validate metadata too | 15:12 |
| Alexei_987 | dperaza: it depends on our needs. it can be extended to do different kind of things | 15:13 |
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| Alexei_987 | my main goals - simple type validation, referential integrity control for storage | 15:13 |
| dperaza | right now metadata validation is a gap I see | 15:13 |
| dperaza | I think it is bacause metadata is meant to be free form, but some folks see different | 15:14 |
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| dhellmann | we have to be very careful about the validation we do, so we don't introduce "rules" that prevent us from collecting data that is "true" even if it looks like it might be bad | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | the storage models are used to save the data that comes directly from notifications, and we can't necessarily restrict what the other services are telling us | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | that's why we focused most of the validation on the models in the API layer, because those come from users, not services | 15:15 |
| dperaza | dhellmann: I lean to agree with that | 15:15 |
| Alexei_987 | dhellmann: I cannot agree with the last one | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | the same applies to metadata -- we don't know what rules to enforce about metadata | 15:15 |
| Alexei_987 | dhellmann: API layer is not the place to validate incoming data | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | we tried to create a completely agnostic system that would store whatever metadata was coming to us | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | Alexei_987: we *CANNOT* reject data from notifications just because it doesn't look right to us -- we don't make the rules for what goes into notifications | 15:16 |
| thomasem | Alexei_987, Ceilometer isn't the source of truth in this whole architecture. If we start putting rules around what a notification should look like, we may lose data that we actually want, even if it's incorrect. | 15:17 |
| Alexei_987 | dhellmann: I'm not telling to reject it | 15:17 |
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| dperaza | so we have not way to distiguish from "bad" queries and querries that simply does not match | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | thomasem: exactly my point | 15:17 |
| Alexei_987 | we don't have to validate free for meta | 15:17 |
| dperaza | what i hear is that this is by design | 15:17 |
| thomasem | The source of truth is each component pushing the notifications, and that's the only communication we have. | 15:17 |
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| Alexei_987 | but we need to make sure that basic data is valid | 15:17 |
| Alexei_987 | timestamp, etc. | 15:17 |
| thomasem | Alexei_987, What would we do if the timestamp is incorrectly formatted? | 15:17 |
| thomasem | from, say, a Glance notification? | 15:17 |
| eglynn | and if it fails validation, discard? | 15:18 |
| eglynn | thomasem: snap! | 15:18 |
| nprivalova | fix it :) | 15:18 |
| Alexei_987 | for timestamp - replace with current datetime | 15:18 |
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| thomasem | And scramble the event stream? | 15:18 |
| thomasem | So we can't recreate for audits? | 15:18 |
| sileht | /60 | 15:18 |
| dragondm | File a bug w/ the source project, methinks.. | 15:18 |
| dperaza | https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/blob/master/ceilometer/api/controllers/v2.py#L343 | 15:18 |
| dperaza | that one validates queries comming from client | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | no, replacing the timestamp would completely invalidate any audit trail | 15:19 |
| thomasem | What if we have a request that sends 10 notifications, and one of those timestamps happens to be poorly formatted and we replace with utcnow()? Then we can't ensure the integrity of that. We lost the integrity in trying to validate something we're not responsible for. | 15:19 |
| eglynn | better to preserve even the apparent wrongness AND file a bug with the originating service? | 15:19 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: yes | 15:19 |
| thomasem | ^^ | 15:19 |
| Alexei_987 | well we can't do that | 15:19 |
| Alexei_987 | for example MySQL needs to have valid input | 15:19 |
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| dragondm | True, if the timestamp is garbage, we might not event be able to store the data. | 15:20 |
| dperaza | I do think that validation on V2 API should be move to more common code | 15:20 |
| Alexei_987 | so it has to receive valid date | 15:20 |
| thomasem | Alexei_987, That's actually a problem in and of itself. We're enforcing relationships and datatypes on things we're not responsible for the relationship or datatype of. | 15:20 |
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| thomasem | It's not our data. It's Nova's, Glance's, Swift's. | 15:21 |
| thomasem | We're just persisting it for auditing, metering, monitoring... | 15:21 |
| Alexei_987 | again - we should only validate essential fields that are required by ceilometer and we may not validate free form data | 15:21 |
| thomasem | And hoping it's correct | 15:21 |
| nprivalova | btw, if timestamp is incorrect Ceilometer will not be able to take this Sample into account, right? | 15:21 |
| eglynn | yeap, the timestamp is garbage, the sample can't be aggregated | 15:22 |
| thomasem | That's true | 15:22 |
| dragondm | (not to mention it'd be a violation of the spec such as it is, on a notification. ) | 15:22 |
| Alexei_987 | the same goes if we'll create reference id's to missing resources | 15:22 |
| nprivalova | so we put it into db but actually do not look at it in most cases | 15:22 |
| thomasem | dragondm, yep, that's true too hehe | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | we will have a lot of resource ids in our database that don't exist anywhere else in openstack | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | objects are deleted all the time, but we still need to record their history | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | and we designed the schema to let us record data about resources that are not even in openstack at all | 15:23 |
| Alexei_987 | ok agreed | 15:23 |
| jd__ | good point dhellmann | 15:23 |
| dragondm | Yup. | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | what's the adage about being liberal in what you accept but conservative in what you send? | 15:24 |
| eglynn | BTW what's motivating this validation requirement? | 15:24 |
| eglynn | i.e. do we have a history of garbage fields being emitted by the OS services in real notifications? | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | the best way to ensure good data in the notifications, including our own format, is to provide a library that's easy to use to generate them | 15:24 |
| sandy__ | by this logic though, validation should occur in the schema of the notification generation and all downstream services should assume them to be gospel (or share the same validation code as the generator) | 15:24 |
| eglynn | or is it more of a theorectical what-if scenario? | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | oslo.messaging (or oslo rpc) includes that for standard notifications, and jd__'s work on notification schemas will take it even further | 15:25 |
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| thomasem | Yeah | 15:25 |
| dperaza | I agree with a validation library | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: good question | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | Alexei_987: have you seen bad data in production? | 15:25 |
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| sandy__ | we have | 15:25 |
| thomasem | yeah | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | which services generated the notifications? | 15:26 |
| Alexei_987 | no.. my motivation is improving internal code logic | 15:26 |
| Alexei_987 | and reducing duplication | 15:26 |
| sandy__ | glance, sending a list instead of a dict payload | 15:26 |
| Alexei_987 | so only code improvement | 15:26 |
| sandy__ | for error events | 15:26 |
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| dhellmann | sandy__: a list of …? | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | error messages? | 15:27 |
| dragondm | sandy__: We filed a glance bug on that? | 15:27 |
| apmelton1 | dhellmann: sandy__: it was actually a string | 15:27 |
| nprivalova | oh, I have so many questions about Glance nnotifications today… | 15:27 |
| apmelton1 | it was just a string message about the error | 15:27 |
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| sandy__ | dhellmann, things ... just the consumer always assumed payloads are dicts, so get() failed | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | apmelton1: ah | 15:27 |
| sileht | glance doesn't use oslo incubator for rpc/notification so .... | 15:27 |
| sandy__ | apmelton1, sorry, thanks ... same problem | 15:27 |
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| dhellmann | sandy__: ok, that's a bug in ceilometer, I think | 15:27 |
| dragondm | payloads *should* always be dicts :-P | 15:27 |
| apmelton1 | sileht: I think they just switched to oslo messaging | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | because we don't get to dictate the notification body or payload format | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | dragondm: I'd like that, too. :-) | 15:28 |
| sandy__ | dragondm, yeah, until they're not | 15:28 |
| thomasem | dragondm, optimism, I like it. | 15:28 |
| sileht | apmelton1, good news | 15:28 |
| apmelton1 | definitely | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | sileht: yet, right? :-) | 15:28 |
| nprivalova | sileht, apmelton1, yes, they did | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | apmelton1: oh, good news indeed | 15:28 |
| nprivalova | no :) | 15:28 |
| sileht | dhellmann, I have fight and fail to get oslo-incubator in glance for havana | 15:28 |
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| sandy__ | so, I guess my only concern with this discussion is similar to one we always have in openstack ... | 15:29 |
| sandy__ | "I need X" | 15:29 |
| dperaza | btw I think there is work schedule on glance to support oslo notification | 15:29 |
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| sandy__ | "well, we're working on a thing to handle X, somewhat" | 15:29 |
| dperaza | trying to find the link | 15:29 |
| jd__ | Alexei_987: does that cover enough of your initial question? | 15:29 |
| dragondm | dhellmann: we don't get to dictate what keys are in the payload. It should be a dict. We don't have much of a spec for notifications, but that's in what we have. | 15:29 |
| sandy__ | "but it's not ready and will be a big change" | 15:29 |
| sandy__ | "so, wait until it's ready and use it" | 15:29 |
| Alexei_987 | well I think we are agreed that validation is needed :) | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | dragondm: it sounds like that will be fixed in glance in I, then? | 15:29 |
| sandy__ | ... meanwhile, innovation suffers and nothing gets done | 15:29 |
| Alexei_987 | but not agreed about how to do it | 15:29 |
| nprivalova | dperaza, please! We are digging the new Glance code but cannot make notification work | 15:30 |
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| Alexei_987 | but again I'll make a blueprint for this stuff | 15:30 |
| Alexei_987 | so partially covered | 15:30 |
| dperaza | hold on | 15:30 |
| sandy__ | we're left, sitting at the end of pipe, waiting for a library to come out ... vs, solving the problem, moving on and refactoring commonality later | 15:30 |
| sandy__ | we're so afraid of duplication that movement forward suffers | 15:31 |
| thomasem | Alexei_987, It's in contracts. Each component must use X notification format, and that's all we can rely on. Payloads are relatively freeform, but the envelope (things like 'generated') we need to be able to rely on. If we can't trust these components, then we'll spend all day validating and slow the system to a halt at scale. | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | sandy__: I'm not sure what you're talking about here. I asked Alexei_987 to use an existing library instead of making a new one, and to not enforce rules that are wrong by rejecting data at the wrong level. | 15:31 |
| dperaza | wow | 15:31 |
| dperaza | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1020749 | 15:31 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1020749 in glance "Use Openstack-Common notifier" [Wishlist,Won't fix] | 15:31 |
| dperaza | won't fix | 15:31 |
| dperaza | that sucks | 15:31 |
| thomasem | youch | 15:32 |
| nprivalova | oh no... | 15:32 |
| dperaza | what about that last comment though | 15:32 |
| eglynn | won't because it already uses olso.messaging, no? | 15:32 |
| jd__ | they moved to oslo.messaging AFAIK, no? | 15:32 |
| sileht | yes | 15:32 |
| gordc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57678/ | 15:32 |
| sileht | I have checked | 15:32 |
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| thomasem | Alexei_987, But that's just my thoughts on it. :) | 15:32 |
| eglynn | jd__: :) | 15:32 |
| thomasem | sentiment, more or less | 15:32 |
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| dhellmann | dperaza: if you look, it is "wont fix" because the dev wants to use oslo.messaging instead of the incubator version of the code, which is the right approach now that it is released | 15:33 |
| nprivalova | jd__, the did! I saw this code in master. today :) but... | 15:33 |
| Alexei_987 | openstack contribution can be such a pain sometimes | 15:33 |
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| jd__ | I think we are diverging so I'll move to the next topic | 15:33 |
| jd__ | #topic First stable/hava release immenent (eglynn) | 15:33 |
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| eglynn | just a quick heads-up that the first realse off stable is about to fly | 15:33 |
| dperaza | ok and 57678 is merged so can we assume glance does support oslo notifications now? | 15:34 |
| eglynn | https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/2013.2.1 | 15:34 |
| eglynn | ... and a plea to get more folks involved in stable-maint | 15:34 |
| sandy__ | dhellmann, and that's fine, so long as the library does what Alexei_987 needs ... otherwise it can turn into yak shaving to do something relatively simple. | 15:34 |
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| nprivalova | dperaza, I cannot prove it works | 15:34 |
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| dhellmann | eglynn: what's the status with that sphinx issue? did that have any impact on us? | 15:35 |
| dperaza | nprivalova: sounds like a bug | 15:35 |
| nprivalova | dperaza, old code works ok but when switch to master no notification comes | 15:35 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: which sphinx issue do you mean? | 15:35 |
| eglynn | ... in any case 2013.2.1 is well frozen at this stage | 15:36 |
| sandy__ | nprivalova, the new notification system uses entry points, so the configs have to change | 15:36 |
| nprivalova | dperaza, I'm trying to talk to glance guys in irc but no answer yet | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | wasn't there a problem with a new release of sphinx breaking builds on stable branches? | 15:36 |
| eglynn | ... so I don't think it'll be getting in | 15:36 |
| dragondm | was that the version issue ? | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | folks, please, we've changed topics | 15:36 |
| sileht | dhellmann, the new 1.2 version | 15:36 |
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| dhellmann | right ^^ | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: if you don't know about it, I assume it didn't break our stable builds :-) | 15:36 |
| llu-laptop | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259511, is this the sphinx issue dhellman mentioned? | 15:36 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1259511 in openstack-ci "sphinx docs gating jobs are broken (source_dir must be a directory)" [Critical,Fix released] | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | yes | 15:37 |
| dperaza | nprivalova: if you open a bug I can help you get to glance folks | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | thanks, llu-laptop | 15:37 |
| dragondm | Yah, I saw the requirements change for that. | 15:37 |
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| nprivalova | sandy__, if you have an example or a link to docs about new configs please share | 15:39 |
| llu-laptop | This seems only affect test-requirement | 15:39 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: yeap, just about to say that | 15:39 |
| jd__ | eglynn: what's required to get involved in stable-maint? | 15:39 |
| eglynn | will look into it further after this meeting | 15:40 |
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| eglynn | jd__: preparedness to spread the backporting religion ;) | 15:40 |
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| eglynn | jd__: nah, it's mainly just reviewing patches proposed to stable/havana | 15:40 |
| jd__ | eglynn: ok :) | 15:41 |
| eglynn | jd__: and trawling the bugs fixed on master for backporting candidates | 15:41 |
| sandy__ | nprivalova, sec | 15:41 |
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| jd__ | make sense | 15:41 |
| eglynn | and that second task is the one I'd like push onto the original bug fixer | 15:41 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: we should imaginate an automatic system to help with that I think | 15:41 |
| eglynn | if poss, to at least tag good backporting candidates | 15:41 |
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| eglynn | jd__: yeah, that would be cool ... once the fix lands on master, some prompt or cue to consider for backporting | 15:42 |
| jd__ | eglynn: yes, not sure how it could be done, but let's keep that in mind, it'd even serve all projects | 15:43 |
| sandy__ | nprivalova, same flags, but names are now entry points: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.messaging/blob/master/setup.cfg#L45-L50 | 15:43 |
| eglynn | yep, it's a neat idea | 15:43 |
| rajdeep | resolution to sphinx issue https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/tox.ini#L9 | 15:43 |
| jd__ | anything else on that matter eglynn or should I move on? | 15:43 |
| eglynn | jd__: fire away! | 15:43 |
| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | no need that I'm aware of | 15:44 |
| jd__ | cool then | 15:44 |
| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 15:44 |
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| dperaza | I have something realted to validation | 15:44 |
| dragondm | ^ Not til' the event api lands, anyway. | 15:44 |
| dperaza | trying to handle this bug | 15:44 |
| rajdeep | i had a question on integrating vCenter integration into ceilometer | 15:45 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: one question for you, about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1260176, which method you think I should take? | 15:45 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1260176 in ceilometer "different behavior of alarm creation on different DB backend" [Undecided,New] | 15:45 |
| dperaza | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1245367 | 15:45 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1245367 in ceilometer "Doing non-existing metadata property filter can not get expected error prompts" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:45 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: looking | 15:45 |
| rajdeep | we are trying to map the measurements between ceilometer and vsphere | 15:45 |
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| dperaza | my take on 1245367 is that there is no way to differentiate from a query with bad metadata fild and a query with valid field that simply does not match | 15:46 |
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| rajdeep | Question : what is the guideline to add hypervisor specific metrics | 15:46 |
| ityaptin | jd__, I've question about change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59214/. | 15:47 |
| dperaza | I gather that is as design in ceilometer | 15:47 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: so are the foreign constraints actually serving any real purpose if we ensure that they're always satisified by creating the user and project IDs if absent? | 15:47 |
| Alexei_987 | dperaza: I'm afraid that we cannot do much here. since there is no way to determine is meta filter valid | 15:47 |
| dperaza | in both cases they return 200 | 15:47 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: i added a comment to that bug | 15:47 |
| nprivalova | and I'm looking for one core reviewer more for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52670/ | 15:47 |
| jd__ | ityaptin: shoot | 15:47 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: I don't think a constraint that we ensure is always met really adds any value TBH, or? | 15:48 |
| jd__ | rajdeep: do you have an example? | 15:48 |
| dperaza | Alexei_987 so you agree with me on do nothing here? | 15:48 |
| rajdeep | yes cpu.usagemhz.average metric in vsphere | 15:49 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I think you should take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52670/ for nprivalova | 15:49 |
| rajdeep | there is not corresponding metric in nova | 15:49 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: agree | 15:49 |
| jd__ | rajdeep: just create a new meter for that then | 15:49 |
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| rajdeep | another example power.energy.summation | 15:49 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: I re-hire you then! :) | 15:49 |
| thomasem | dperaza, Alexei_987: I suppose that's an unfortunate case for arbitrary metadata items, huh? :( | 15:49 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: coo, so method 1 looks more sensible to me | 15:49 |
| gordc | dperaza: i think it's working as designed. that 500 error is wrong though i think. | 15:49 |
| rajdeep | ok and for metrics which are non existing in vsphere i am assuming we leave them blank | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | jd__: woo! | 15:50 |
| Alexei_987 | thomasem: yes | 15:50 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: I'll add a comment on LP to that effect | 15:50 |
| dperaza | I think 500 is wrong too gordc | 15:50 |
| jd__ | 500 is always wrong, isn't it? | 15:50 |
| dperaza | I added a note that what i see for no-metadata fields is a 400 | 15:50 |
| gordc | jd__: comments on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1245367 (since it's marked as a backport potential) | 15:50 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1245367 in ceilometer "Doing non-existing metadata property filter can not get expected error prompts" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:50 |
| dperaza | jd_: +1 | 15:50 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: should it be method 1+2? because we need to create for un-exsiting project_id/user_id | 15:50 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: won't we create when we see an actual sample with the previously unknown project/user ID? | 15:51 |
| rajdeep | -->For metrics which are non existing in vsphere i am assuming we leave them blank, please confirm | 15:51 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: (as opposed to when we create an alarm) | 15:51 |
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| Alexei_987 | jd__: a proposal for the next meeting is to think about the following - we should change data structure for MongoDB in such a way that we don't have do aggregation for realtime queries | 15:52 |
| thomasem | dperaza, Do we spit back out the query for human intervention? | 15:52 |
| thomasem | Since that's something we can't really assess, a human can. | 15:52 |
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| jd__ | llu-laptop: eglynn: I hope I'm not saying something wrong, but in the case where we would envision to split the sample and alarm database storage, dropping the foreign key makes even more sense | 15:52 |
| thomasem | "Nothing found for <query>, are you sure this is correct?" | 15:52 |
| jd__ | Alexei_987: I don't think it's a subject for a _meeting_, sounds like you want to write a blueprint + wiki page spec and discuss that on the mailing list | 15:53 |
| gordc | quick q, anyone know status of alembic migrations? we ever going to move to them? we might need to decide how to handle our existing alembic migrations. | 15:53 |
| ityaptin | It's required run unit tests with Postgresql environment like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59489/. I want add unit tests with postgresql with dependence on your change request and suggest my fix without these tests. | 15:53 |
| Alexei_987 | jd__: Ok | 15:53 |
| ityaptin | _jd It's required run unit tests with Postgresql environment like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59489/. I want add unit tests with postgresql with dependence on your change request and suggest my fix without these tests. | 15:53 |
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| jd__ | gordc: I think we lost everybody on that, you can be my hero if you take this over | 15:54 |
| eglynn | jd__: yeap, it would be more flexible that way (... tho' I'm not sure such a split is on the cards, at least in the short to medium term, or?) | 15:54 |
| ityaptin | jd__ It's required run unit tests with Postgresql environment like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59489/. I want add unit tests with postgresql with dependence on your change request and suggest my fix without these tests. | 15:54 |
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| dperaza | thomasem: do you mean in the response | 15:54 |
| gordc | jd__: ok i'll post on mailing list to get a good direction. | 15:54 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: for sample, we create new user/project id if they're not not existed. Should we do this for alarm creation too? and drop the foreign key constaits? | 15:54 |
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| dperaza | even if query is bad it looks like not matching query | 15:54 |
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| herndon | gordc I'm happy to help out with that | 15:54 |
| hvp | have a question on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/central-agent-improvement | 15:54 |
| thomasem | dperaza, Sure. So, it's just an idea, but returning the query back to the client will allow it to be assessed. | 15:55 |
| jd__ | eglynn: just thinking out loud, but as anyway user are just id, there even shouldn't be a user table anyway so I think dropping the key and the table is the way to go | 15:55 |
| sileht | llu-laptop, mongo doesn't have this constraint | 15:55 |
| gordc | herndon: cool. let's discuss it. | 15:55 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I meant the foreign key reference | 15:55 |
| dperaza | but the client just build the query, right | 15:55 |
| eglynn | a-ha I see | 15:55 |
| dperaza | not sure we gain much sending back same query | 15:56 |
| dperaza | all we can do is what we do now | 15:56 |
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| jd__ | hvp: ? | 15:56 |
| hvp | Is this blueprint also considering a multi-datacenter active/active central agent polling multiple sources (openstack endpoints) ? | 15:56 |
| thomasem | dperaza, Agreed. Sorry, I was just thinking of another alternative to validation. :) | 15:56 |
| dperaza | right, there is not match it is up to client to then check is a good query before trying again then | 15:57 |
| nealph | hvp: IIRC, the summit conversation did include that aspect. | 15:57 |
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| hvp | we have multiple openstack endpoints in different data centers and having a unified ceilometer infrastructure would be ideal | 15:58 |
| hvp | nealph, sorry i joined late | 15:58 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: ok, is the reason we ensure the user & project ID exist on alarm creation is just to fullfil the foreign key constraint, or because we feel "it's the right thing to do"? | 15:58 |
| thomasem | Okay. I think it'd be awesome for us to call out that limitation in our documentation. That we can't validate arbitrary fields like that. | 15:58 |
| thomasem | Then clients can approach with a more accurate expectation. | 15:58 |
| dperaza | thomasem: I will handle that | 15:58 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: and if we're keeping the logic to ensure the user & project ID, exist ... why drop the FK constraint? | 15:59 |
| dperaza | good sugestion | 15:59 |
| jd__ | hvp: nop, that'd be another blueprint I think | 15:59 |
| thomasem | dperaza, Thank you! :) | 15:59 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: llu-laptop: drop it! drop it all! | 15:59 |
| nealph | jd__: certainly the task distribution part of the BP is related? | 15:59 |
| sileht | eglynn, the mongodb backend doesn't ensure that | 15:59 |
| jd__ | nealph: that'd be all I think | 15:59 |
| hvp | jd_, so it will still have some dependencies on the central agent improvements | 15:59 |
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| jd__ | hvp: like nealph said :) | 16:00 |
| eglynn | sileht: yep, so say we change mongo to do what sqlalchemy does | 16:00 |
| jd__ | that'd be terrible! :) | 16:00 |
| eglynn | sileht: ... in that case, why also drop the FK constraint? | 16:00 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: Aah, you're right. Seems there is no need to make sure the user/project_id existing in alarms perspective? | 16:00 |
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| jd__ | it's time to wrap up guys | 16:00 |
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| nprivalova | jd__, please take a look on ityaptin's question later | 16:01 |
| sileht | eglynn, the question is what is the purpose of project/user storage API, samples only or everything in ceilometer ? | 16:01 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: that's what I'm thinking, so either drop the auto-create AND the FK constraint, or else get mongodb to auto-create also | 16:01 |
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| nealph | hvp: in our experience, active/active is possible with some massaging of configs. curious if you have specific issues....ping me offline. | 16:01 |
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| hvp | thx nealph.. will do | 16:02 |
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| jd__ | nprivalova: thanks I missed it | 16:02 |
| jd__ | ityaptin: I'll answer on #openstack-ceilometer | 16:02 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 12 16:02:59 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-12-12-15.01.html | 16:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-12-12-15.01.txt | 16:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-12-12-15.01.log.html | 16:03 |
| thomasem | Thanks everyone. Have a great day! | 16:03 |
| thomasem | or night. | 16:03 |
| eglynn | sileht: good question, I guess for alarms there are two purposes ... 1. segregating visiblility onto samples and 2. potentially billing for alarm-hours | 16:03 |
| dragondm | Have good one, all. | 16:03 |
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| eglynn | yep, see y'all! | 16:03 |
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| sileht | eglynn, so some piece of code is missing in mongo db :) | 16:04 |
| eglynn | sileht: yep, I'm tending to the same conclusion | 16:05 |
| eglynn | sileht: ... the opposite of what I said earlier ;) | 16:05 |
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| sileht | eglynn, I think if we drop the v1 api, this can be a driver detail | 16:07 |
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| eglynn | sileht: yeah, that'll a bit down the road though before we can unshackle ourselves from v1 | 16:07 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 12 18:01:22 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | #topic Rollcall | 18:01 |
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| bknudson | present | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | Hi everyone, please checkin if you're here for the OSSG meeting | 18:01 |
| hyakuhei | Good morning/afternoon/evening from Rob @ HP | 18:01 |
| sriramhere | morning | 18:02 |
| tristanC | Hello folks! | 18:02 |
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| nkinder | o/ | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | excellent, looks like we have a nice group | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | #topic Agenda | 18:02 |
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| malini1 | good morning, back from all my travels | 18:03 |
| paulmo | Paul Montgomery here a bit late | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | So for today I wanted to mention one thing that I've just started working on (a new wiki page) | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | Anything else people want to discuss? | 18:03 |
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| hyakuhei | OSSNs at some point | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | ok, noted on OSSNs | 18:04 |
| sriramhere | I wanted to update on the meeting with OSSG editors | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | sounds good | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | ok, so we'll just take these from top to bottom | 18:04 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: I'm also working on a new wiki page for OSSNs | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | #topic Wiki Pages | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | nkinder you have the link? | 18:04 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security_Notes | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | excellent | 18:05 |
| nkinder | I only have one OSSN posted thus far, but I'm going through all of the older ones | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | So I wanted to mention that I have just started putting together a wiki page to list the various projects people in OSSG are working on | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Projects | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | I listed the book editors as an example | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | But would like to see this filled out with other security projects | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | I know there are many, so I'll go back and check my notes | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | My goal is for this to serve 2 purposes | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | 1) To help advertise the work that's happening and perhaps draw in more people to participate | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | 2) To bring these efforts more formally into the group | 18:06 |
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| hyakuhei | I like it, nkinder shouldn't take long to add in the other OSSNs :) | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | On (2), I'll be aiming to have the project leads checkin at this meeting from time to time | 18:07 |
| hyakuhei | Obvious things would be the VMT involvement (which needs to be pushed) | 18:07 |
| hyakuhei | and the threat analysis work | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | yeah | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | so, I encourage anyone in OSSG to edit this page and add in other projects | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | try to use the same template that I've put together | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | just to keep it looking clean | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | any thoughts / questions on that? | 18:08 |
| hyakuhei | Looks good thus far | 18:08 |
| nkinder | yeah, sounds like a good idea | 18:08 |
| sriramhere | bryan - just to be clear, this will be the landing projects for all the little projects OSSG is involved | 18:08 |
| sriramhere | like editing, OSSN, threat analysis etc | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | landing page, yeah | 18:08 |
| bknudson | a project I've been thinking about is a tempest scenario test that configures the system securely | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | exactly | 18:09 |
| nkinder | We should add a link from the OSSG team page on launchpad | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | yeah, once this is fillout out some more, I'd like to link to it from a variety of places | 18:09 |
| sriramhere | OSSG page already exists rr? | 18:09 |
| sriramhere | https://launchpad.net/~openstack-ossg | 18:09 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: A secure distribution? | 18:09 |
| hyakuhei | sriramhere: yeah but putting it on the wiki is a better idea imho | 18:10 |
| bknudson | hyakuhei: not sure what would be the way to do it, but I think tempest uses devstack... so it would involve making sure devstack can configure system | 18:10 |
| tristanC | +1 for a landing page, it's isn't easy to understand what is the OSSG (beside the launchpad page) | 18:10 |
| bknudson | configure a system with SSL everywhere. | 18:10 |
| sriramhere | sorry, i mistook that you wanted a new opage in launchpad | 18:11 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: I'll work on filling in the cross-project security guidelines placeholder | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | nkinder great, thanks | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | #topic OSSNs | 18:11 |
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| hyakuhei | bknudson: For that to be a useful project you really need a lot of moving pieces that aren't part of the standard distro (like a CA) I think perhaps looking at releasing hardened chef recipies or something might actually have move value | 18:11 |
| hyakuhei | Right | 18:11 |
| hyakuhei | We have two open OSSNs | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | sriramhere and nkinder assigned | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | Neither have drafts yet, guys is there anything you need? | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | Editing / Research etc? | 18:12 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: yeah, I just grabbed that Keystone one the other day. I need to start researching it. | 18:12 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: I was wrapping up the glance one I sent out yesterday first. | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | Just a comment on the OSSNs... | 18:13 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool, if you need help feel free to post on the OSSG ML. | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | I think that running the drafts by the PTLs should be the policy | 18:13 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: +1 | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | We got some very good feedback by doing that with the Glance one | 18:13 |
| hyakuhei | Makes sense | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | and it's just good politics too | 18:13 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: I want to document a list of how to write a OSSN on the wiki | 18:13 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 18:13 |
| sriramhere | no, i will work on sending the draft for review before next meeting. Fallen back due to thanksgiving break | 18:13 |
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| nkinder | So template, where to publish, who to contact for reviews | 18:13 |
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| hyakuhei | sriramhere: great :) | 18:14 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: I'll take that action | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | cool | 18:14 |
| nkinder | I think a review by PTL and one peer from OSSG is a good idea. | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | yeah | 18:14 |
| hyakuhei | I've been thinking do we want some sort of numbering for them too? | 18:14 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: Yes, agreed | 18:14 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: even date based | 18:14 |
| sriramhere | numbering? you mean +1 -1? | 18:14 |
| sriramhere | or order? | 18:14 |
| hyakuhei | No I mean OSSN-2013-22... | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | like the CVE numbering scheme? | 18:15 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah | 18:15 |
| sriramhere | ok, good | 18:15 |
| nkinder | sriramhere: VMT numbers OSSA's IIRC | 18:15 |
| hyakuhei | indeed they do | 18:15 |
| nkinder | Yeah, we should be in-line with what they do | 18:15 |
| hyakuhei | Ok so I think we can keep on top of this as a manual process for now | 18:15 |
| nkinder | I think this is important if we start publishing using a structured format like CVRF as well. | 18:15 |
| hyakuhei | I'll continue to 'manage' the OSSNs, help where editing etc is required and I'll get that wiki page thrown together | 18:15 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: should we retroactively number the previous OSSNs? | 18:16 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: yeah. I'm not sure a structured format is as important for OSSN vs OSSA but I have no objection to adopting it either | 18:16 |
| sriramhere | bug ids wont suffice for now? | 18:16 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: Probably. However, as we're about to go into 2013, we've got a natural brake line | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | I think using a common structured format for both OSSN and OSSA would be useful | 18:17 |
| hyakuhei | sriramhere: Having an ID makes it easier when people start discussing which OSSNs apply where. | 18:17 |
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| hyakuhei | Thinking ahead to when we have one per week (potentially) | 18:17 |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: yeah, I've got no big objection to using CVRF | 18:17 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: It would also allow us to generate the other published formats (wiki, e-mail, etc.) | 18:17 |
| sriramhere | ok coo. just it is 2014 not 2013 :) | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | pffft | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | off by ones happen! | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | still 2013 where I'm sitting :-) | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool, so what did I just agree to do. | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | I'll put together a wiki page, describing how I think the process should look in the future | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | #action hyakuhei to fix everything | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | and we can go over it next week | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | including numbering and format etc | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | wow, just like being at work | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | yeah, that sounds reasonable | 18:19 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: let me know if you want a review or any help on it before then | 18:19 |
| hyakuhei | Cheers :) | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | #topic Book Editors | 18:19 |
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| bdpayne | sriramhere you wanted to discuss this? | 18:19 |
| sriramhere | update: David Mortman, Bryan and Myself synced up earlier this week on what are the steps here | 18:20 |
| hyakuhei | I've done a bunch of editing and I'd like to do more. I just need to get better at wranging my inbox to see when things come up. | 18:20 |
| sriramhere | Once Ben is back from conference next week, we are going to start diving up to start style/ grammatical fixes first | 18:20 |
| sriramhere | we will firs come up with a plan/ schedule and publish it to the team and go from there | 18:20 |
| sriramhere | hoping to get hold of Ben before next thurs | 18:21 |
| hyakuhei | Seems reasonable. I wonder how much technical-proof readers charge. | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | So we do have this team of three editors to help drive the effort... but anyone is welcome to continue making contributions | 18:21 |
| hyakuhei | oh, teams! I like teams, they feel so inclusive! | 18:21 |
| sriramhere | rob - you are on fire tooday! | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | hyakuhei I could actually find out the answer to that question (cost for technical editors) | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | but does anyone actually have $$ for that? | 18:22 |
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| * hyakuhei has had a long week | 18:22 | |
| hyakuhei | bdpayne: depends on the cost, it's worth having some idea of the cost | 18:22 |
| sriramhere | i thought thtat was a fun question - | 18:22 |
| hyakuhei | because, if we're collectively burning FTE that could be more easily purchased by someone else... | 18:22 |
| sriramhere | i have some friends in publishing (non--tech) industry | 18:23 |
| sriramhere | can find out. | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | I'll explore too | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | #topic Open Discussion | 18:23 |
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| sriramhere | as of now, it was volunteer/ interest | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | Anything else people would like to discuss today? | 18:23 |
| paulmo | I had a few quick things | 18:23 |
| sriramhere | who runs http://www.secstack.com/? | 18:23 |
| paulmo | I'm not sure if anyone has seen these automated database exploitation tools but they may be useful in OpenStack: https://github.com/tcstool/NoSQLMap and http://sqlmap.org/ | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | Worth mentioning that Barbican is trying to get incubated http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/020830.html | 18:25 |
| hyakuhei | sriramhere: Matt Joyce | 18:25 |
| sriramhere | thanks Rob | 18:25 |
| bknudson | does anyone here know of a good static analysis tool for python? | 18:25 |
| hyakuhei | Such things do not really exist... | 18:25 |
| paulmo | I think pylint is about as good as it gets from what I've found | 18:25 |
| hyakuhei | Fortify has _some_ support | 18:25 |
| bknudson | hyakuhei: that is my guess | 18:25 |
| clarkb | bknudson: yes, there is one laying around that I was playing with recently | 18:25 |
| clarkb | now I have to find it and remember what it was called | 18:26 |
| nkinder | I've also been doing a lot of review on the KDS side of things for Keystone. | 18:26 |
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| bknudson | There's a tool called RATS that we (IBM) ran recently | 18:26 |
| hyakuhei | but applying SA to a language like Python is always going to be tricky, there are some interesting, if immature, DA projects though - making use of various introspection capabilities | 18:26 |
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| bdpayne | nkinder good to know on the KDS stuff | 18:26 |
| bknudson | and we wound up opening a few bugs | 18:26 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: any good? | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | they need eyes there! | 18:26 |
| bknudson | hyakuhei: I was not impressed. | 18:26 |
| hyakuhei | KDS is scary looking | 18:26 |
| hyakuhei | I've asked Jeff to have a look into it | 18:26 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: I've been looking at the API side of things mostly at this point. | 18:27 |
| clarkb | bknudson: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/radon | 18:27 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: makes sense | 18:27 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: ok, I have a pretty good understanding of the approach, so I can help answer any questions. | 18:27 |
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| bknudson | clarkb: thanks! | 18:27 |
| hyakuhei | Goes without saying but if anyone needs compute resource to run tools like this, I'll hook you up on the HP Cloud. | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb, Oh nice! ++ on the thanks. | 18:27 |
| bdpayne | ok, I think that about wraps it up for today | 18:28 |
| tristanC | also, I didn't introduced myself, I joined the OSSG group today so hi folks :) | 18:28 |
| hyakuhei | Nicely timed meeting, thanks bdpayne | 18:28 |
| hyakuhei | Welcome tristanC ! | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | oh welcome! | 18:28 |
| sriramhere | hi tristan | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | brief intro tristanC? | 18:28 |
| hyakuhei | Good meeting to attend! | 18:28 |
| tristanC | thanks, nice to meet you | 18:29 |
| nkinder | tristanC: welcome! | 18:29 |
| tristanC | I work at eNovance, and I should specialise on open stack security matters | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | great, glad to have you on board | 18:29 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 18:29 |
| sriramhere | +1 | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | perhaps chat on the ML about your interests so we can help you find ways to get involved | 18:29 |
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| bdpayne | ok, thanks all... have a good week | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | bdpayne, is this the normal time for the meeting? I have been meaning to start attending, so i'll toss it on my calendar. | 18:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 12 18:30:24 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-12-12-18.01.html | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-12-12-18.01.txt | 18:30 |
| sriramhere | bye all, good week! | 18:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-12-12-18.01.log.html | 18:30 |
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| bdpayne | morganfainberg yes, this is the normal time | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | 1800 UTC on Thursdays | 18:30 |
| tristanC | I was thinking I could help on reviewing (like testing patch) on that page: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossad | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | bdpayne, awesome. thanks ... now if i could only convince google calendar to do meetings in UTC... | 18:31 |
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| morganfainberg | bdpayne, see ya here next week then :) | 18:31 |
| tristanC | but maybe you need help elsewhere, I will write a mail to the ML | 18:31 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 12 20:00:55 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 20:01 |
| harlowja | hi folks! | 20:01 |
| iv_m | hi there | 20:01 |
| harlowja | hi hi | 20:01 |
| k4n0 | hi | 20:01 |
| harlowja | just got out of sprint meeting, let me update agenda | 20:01 |
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| harlowja | *internal y! sprint stuff... | 20:01 |
| mspreitz | hi | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | hi mspreitz iccha k4n0 | 20:02 |
| harlowja | ok, updated | 20:02 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | guess lets do a quick last-action-items overview | 20:03 |
| harlowja | #topic action-items | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-12-05-20.00.html | 20:03 |
| harlowja | so i haven't caught up with boris yet (will try to do today) | 20:03 |
| harlowja | as for little zookeeper example (to help out with review) | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | paste.openstack.org/show/54861/ is my current incarniation of that | 20:04 |
| harlowja | steps at top should help | 20:04 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja really catchup with boris this time! | 20:04 |
| iv_m | if u want i can try to catch him in skype | 20:05 |
| harlowja | i can usually catch him on IRC, just i totally forget to ask him :-) | 20:05 |
| harlowja | if i don't iv_m then lets skype | 20:05 |
| harlowja | *hopefully today, if he's still on | 20:06 |
| harlowja | or tommorow | 20:06 |
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| harlowja | thx iv_m | 20:06 |
| harlowja | iv_m any update on the snapshot nova flow and work? | 20:06 |
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| iv_m | so, i failed my action item -- we are working on it, and came to some conclusion, and started to code it -- but no docs yet, sorry | 20:07 |
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| harlowja | np iv_m :) | 20:07 |
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| harlowja | still being worked on, thats fine with me :) | 20:07 |
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| * iv_m just needs to write everything down | 20:08 | |
| harlowja | :) | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | #action iv_m write all the things down! | 20:08 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:08 |
| harlowja | all the things please :-P | 20:08 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:08 |
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| iv_m | well, that'll need a lot of space down there | 20:09 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | and alot of time | 20:09 |
| iv_m | but i'll try to do my best anyway | 20:09 |
| harlowja | haha, sweet | 20:09 |
| harlowja | #topic current integration work | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | so i think we covered one of the current integration work that is ongoing (nova) | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | akarpinska1 is nearly there with the basic cinder work (thx akarpinska1 !) | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | although i think that one might be hitting some other major gate bugs | 20:11 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58724/ | 20:11 |
| harlowja | no so easy to tell | 20:11 |
| iv_m | ya, looks like figting through gating bacame harder lately | 20:12 |
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| harlowja | ya | 20:12 |
| harlowja | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/022052.html | 20:12 |
| akarpinska1 | is it necessary to do rechecks until I get +1 from Jenkins? | 20:12 |
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| iv_m | yup | 20:12 |
| harlowja | akarpinska1 if there is an active gate bug that is being fixed, then u can sorta wait till its fixed | 20:12 |
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| harlowja | but ya, in general, jenkins needs to +1 it (which means the gate must not be broke) | 20:13 |
| harlowja | the #openstack-infra team might have an idea whats going on (seems to change daily) | 20:13 |
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| harlowja | akarpinska1 so close though! :) | 20:13 |
| harlowja | i think other folks that are getting involved with taskflow + cinder very much appreciate your work :) | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | anyone that is also working with cinder & taskflow want to add any questions/other (think there are others out there somewhere) | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | ok, well don't be shy folks :) | 20:15 |
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| * akarpinska1 doing recheck | 20:15 | |
| harlowja | thx akarpinska1 | 20:15 |
| harlowja | as for other integration work, i think boris-42 is still experimenting with rally + taskflow | 20:16 |
| harlowja | and same with mistral project | 20:16 |
| harlowja | as usual | 20:16 |
| harlowja | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TaskflowIcehouseWhoWhatWhereWhy | 20:16 |
| harlowja | *where i track most of this | 20:17 |
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| harlowja | alright, keep up the integration work folks, slowly but surely :) | 20:17 |
| harlowja | #topic new-use-cases | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | so any new issues or use-cases people want to talk about for taskflow | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | i started a little document that helps explain some of the mind-set change that taskflow might make happen | 20:19 |
| harlowja | releated slightly to use-cases | 20:19 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow/Best_practices#Mind-Altering_Substances | 20:19 |
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| harlowja | *no real substances there | 20:19 |
| harlowja | nice little place to gather common ideas, patterns, and such | 20:19 |
| harlowja | as for other new-uses, iv_m and akarpinska1 and a few others have been continuing to work on the 'worker' engine model | 20:20 |
| harlowja | which should enable some more neat use-cases | 20:21 |
| harlowja | also i expect https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60499/ (the tooz project) when combined with taskflow will also add even more | 20:21 |
| harlowja | #link https://github.com/stackforge/tooz | 20:21 |
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| harlowja | anyways, lots of room for new usage :) | 20:22 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja describe jobboard mindset change on best practices page | 20:22 |
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| harlowja | cool, anyways, feel free to bring new usecases and patterns :) | 20:23 |
| harlowja | always will to discuss them with folks | 20:24 |
| harlowja | #topic open-discuss | 20:24 |
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| harlowja | iv_m do u want to give a little overview of the changes in the executor (futures) that u are thinkign about? | 20:24 |
| * harlowja needs to get around to reviewing the changes that u did | 20:24 | |
| harlowja | or maybe still to early for said discussion (which is fine) | 20:25 |
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| iv_m | well, the general idea is to have special entity that will know how to take task, its arguments, and apply one to another | 20:26 |
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| iv_m | it should have closer scope than current TaskAction, wich knows about storage and manages task state changes and suchlike | 20:26 |
| harlowja | sure, makes sense, to more focus just on executing, not the rest of the stuff | 20:27 |
| iv_m | so, #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow/+spec/task-executor | 20:27 |
| harlowja | ah, thx for sharing | 20:27 |
| harlowja | good description there | 20:28 |
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| iv_m | next step is to allow task executor to run task asynchronously | 20:29 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:29 |
| iv_m | that's what worker-based engine will need to do, for example | 20:29 |
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| harlowja | right | 20:30 |
| iv_m | so, the executor should return future that will in order return task result (or task reversion result) and some metadata | 20:30 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:30 |
| harlowja | what are u thinking about for the metadata? | 20:30 |
| iv_m | well, in my experimental code it's task instance itself and what happend (was it reverted or executed) | 20:31 |
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| iv_m | something like that so that engine does not have to have some sophisitacted data structure to find out where result returned by future belongs | 20:32 |
| harlowja | k | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | in experimental code, i guess listeners that are watching the state transitions still operate as before | 20:33 |
| iv_m | of course | 20:33 |
| harlowja | neats | 20:34 |
| iv_m | then, the plan is to create new graph action that will be able to schedule all the tasks with task executor and wait on returned futures while tasks are executed (maybe in parallel), using no more than one thread | 20:34 |
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| akarpinska1 | I'm not shure it is possible to do in one thread | 20:35 |
| akarpinska1 | because of feature implementation | 20:36 |
| iv_m | hey, i almost already done that | 20:36 |
| akarpinska1 | do you implement your own feature? | 20:36 |
| iv_m | no, i use concurrent.futures.Future in my code | 20:37 |
| akarpinska1 | but it waits until result is set | 20:37 |
| harlowja | interesting | 20:37 |
| iv_m | u can wait for several futures at once with concurrent.futures.wait() | 20:38 |
| iv_m | wich makes everything really simple | 20:39 |
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| harlowja | something though blocks right? so for something to block u need something to block on (another thread?) - so that means 2 threads? | 20:39 |
| harlowja | anyways, techinical detail, lol | 20:39 |
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| harlowja | *this might of been what akarpinska1 was asking (not sure) | 20:40 |
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| harlowja | oh ya, other thing i was going to bring up | 20:41 |
| harlowja | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/async-taskflow-tasks | 20:41 |
| harlowja | i think with iv_m work here, #3 becomes more natural (although #0 still seems like it would also be fine) | 20:42 |
| harlowja | so i can try out #3 when iv_m executor stuff in place | 20:42 |
| harlowja | see how that goes | 20:42 |
| iv_m | yup | 20:42 |
| harlowja | might not be so bad, not so sure yet | 20:42 |
| harlowja | that will make mistral folks use-case work better (maybe?) | 20:43 |
| harlowja | what else, oh ya, nearly forgot, changbl i think wasn't able to make it today, but he said offline that he is working on the zookeeper stuff (ongoing) | 20:44 |
| harlowja | and getting closer! | 20:44 |
| harlowja | will keep all of us posted | 20:44 |
| harlowja | *changbl will | 20:44 |
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| iv_m | great | 20:45 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:45 |
| * harlowja needs to track down some more of the cinder folks doing taskflow integration, see where that is at | 20:46 | |
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| harlowja | #action harlowja see if can track them any of those folks down (to see if they are doing ok) | 20:46 |
| harlowja | i know they exist somewhere :-P | 20:46 |
| iv_m | ) | 20:47 |
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| harlowja | will see if i can fire some folks an email that might know | 20:47 |
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| harlowja | anything else people want to talk about, i think i'm all good | 20:48 |
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| harlowja | goiinnng once | 20:49 |
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| harlowja | goinnng twice | 20:49 |
| harlowja | going thriceeee | 20:50 |
| harlowja | sold to iv_m for 500$ | 20:50 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:50 |
| iv_m | np, but what did i get? | 20:50 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:50 |
| harlowja | secret prize | 20:50 |
| harlowja | anyways #openstack-state-management for any further questions, issues, problems, q/a, chit-chat, prizes... | 20:51 |
| harlowja | until next time folks, and thanks for coming for those that did :) | 20:51 |
| k4n0 | thanks guys | 20:52 |
| harlowja | np :) | 20:52 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 12 20:52:22 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-12-12-20.00.html | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-12-12-20.00.txt | 20:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-12-12-20.00.log.html | 20:52 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 12 21:00:14 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| russellb | hello, everyone! | 21:00 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:00 |
| alaski | hi | 21:00 |
| dripton | hi | 21:00 |
| melwitt | hi | 21:00 |
| cyeoh | hi | 21:00 |
| russellb | #topic general | 21:00 |
| mestery | o/ | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "general (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
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| russellb | only one thing for this section today from me ... meeting time | 21:01 |
| russellb | i'm going to start a thread about starting to alternate the time to allow more people to attend | 21:01 |
| russellb | no need to get into the specific time too much now because the people it helps the most aren't here :) | 21:01 |
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| dansmith | o/ | 21:01 |
| russellb | so we'll meet at this time every 2 weeks | 21:01 |
| hartsocks | \o | 21:01 |
| russellb | details TBD ... | 21:02 |
| russellb | #topic sub-teams | 21:02 |
| russellb | hartsocks: well hello! | 21:02 |
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| * n0ano scheduler | 21:02 | |
| * melwitt novaclient | 21:02 | |
| arosen | hi | 21:02 |
| lifeless | o/ | 21:02 |
| hartsocks | russellb: sorry running late. | 21:02 |
| * russellb expects he may have caught hartsocks off guard | 21:02 | |
| russellb | n0ano: you can go :) | 21:03 |
| n0ano | right, make me go first :-) | 21:03 |
| n0ano | talked at the meeting about no-db and the forklift... | 21:03 |
| russellb | some good scheduler forklift progress this week | 21:03 |
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| n0ano | the no-db has about 2 patches left, once they are submitted (within about a week) it should all be under review... | 21:03 |
| russellb | is anyone committed to keeping the forklift repo in sync while it's in progress? | 21:04 |
| russellb | you? someone else? | 21:04 |
| russellb | and are you looking at stackforge now? | 21:04 |
| lifeless | we have the volunteers, I think we should submit the repo to gerrit asap | 21:04 |
| n0ano | for the forklift, I've created the base scheduler tree, we should be about ready to create a stackforge project, lifeless should know if any other administrivia is needed | 21:04 |
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| lifeless | probably need the client tree to, I sucked this week | 21:05 |
| russellb | ok cool | 21:05 |
| lifeless | I will get it done today | 21:05 |
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| n0ano | lifeless, I created the bare bones client tree and added it to the config file | 21:05 |
| russellb | ok, client is easier | 21:05 |
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| lifeless | n0ano: oh cool, ok | 21:05 |
| russellb | i think it's still included in the repo n0ano just did | 21:05 |
| lifeless | so lets get infra on that | 21:05 |
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| russellb | oh nice, you did that too? | 21:05 |
| russellb | is it just nova/scheduler/rpcapi.py ? | 21:05 |
| n0ano | I'm an animal, what can I say :-) | 21:06 |
| russellb | and the associted test file | 21:06 |
| lifeless | plus setup.py/.cfg etc machinery? | 21:06 |
| n0ano | russellb, even less, just the top level text files (licensing and what not), the rest will be new files, should be created though the gerrit process | 21:06 |
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| comstud | o/ | 21:06 |
| russellb | hmm, no | 21:07 |
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| russellb | i think we need to keep the history of rpcapi.py | 21:07 |
| russellb | that's the client code | 21:07 |
| * beagles slinks in late | 21:07 | |
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| n0ano | hmm, is that file already in the server tree? If not, I can add it to the client tree | 21:07 |
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| russellb | yes, it's in the server tree now probably | 21:07 |
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| lifeless | it shouldn't be though, should it? | 21:08 |
| russellb | but it's the client code everything else uses to talk to the scheduler | 21:08 |
| russellb | i didn't catch that before, sorry | 21:08 |
| russellb | not a huge deal if we just git rm it from the server tree | 21:08 |
| n0ano | remember, it's all scripted, NP - so you want to remove that file from the server tree and make it part of the client tree | 21:08 |
| lifeless | please | 21:08 |
| russellb | yeah | 21:08 |
| russellb | thanks a bunch for doing this :) | 21:09 |
| lifeless | the goal is two trees; one with the client, one the server both can run their own unit tests | 21:09 |
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| n0ano | NP, the config file changes stay the same, I'll let lifeless know when the trees are ready | 21:09 |
| russellb | i expect we'll have some work to do to get the tests running again | 21:09 |
| russellb | but we're close to the right base to start with | 21:09 |
| lifeless | if they can't run unit tests we'll make all the jobs nonvoting so we can iterate | 21:09 |
| russellb | works for me | 21:09 |
| russellb | so good progress on two major things in scheduler land | 21:10 |
| russellb | anything else for today? | 21:10 |
| n0ano | that's it for now | 21:10 |
| russellb | great thanks! | 21:10 |
| russellb | melwitt: hi! | 21:10 |
| russellb | speaking of clients, novaclient! | 21:10 |
| melwitt | hi all, I have the novaclient report for this week: | 21:10 |
| melwitt | open bugs, 118 !fix released, 77 !fix committed | 21:10 |
| melwitt | 20 new bugs | 21:10 |
| melwitt | 0 high bugs | 21:10 |
| melwitt | 31 patches are up, 7 WIP, everything been pretty active -- prompt reviews and approvals, lots of v3 api activity. | 21:10 |
| comstud | let's have one | 21:10 |
| russellb | sounds like great progress all around | 21:11 |
| russellb | more progress on bug triage i see, thanks a bunch | 21:11 |
| russellb | any major concerns? | 21:11 |
| melwitt | no, I think things are going pretty well | 21:12 |
| russellb | so the 77 !fix committed number | 21:12 |
| russellb | does that mean there are 77 bug fixes that haven't been released? | 21:12 |
| russellb | or? | 21:12 |
| russellb | seems high since we did a release around the havana release | 21:12 |
| melwitt | ah, no. I wasn't sure how to represent "open" bugs. 77 is the number of bugs that are neither fix committed nor fix released | 21:12 |
| russellb | ok | 21:13 |
| russellb | so we have 118 total open, 77 after you take out the ones with fixes committed? | 21:13 |
| melwitt | right | 21:13 |
| russellb | got it | 21:13 |
| melwitt | I consider those like "fixed" | 21:13 |
| russellb | fixed but not released, yeah | 21:13 |
| shanewang | melwitt: did you have any link to query "fix released", "fix committed"? | 21:13 |
| russellb | so 41 fixes not released then | 21:13 |
| russellb | something like that | 21:13 |
| russellb | btw, timing of novaclient releases since i've been doing them has been roughly ... when someone asks for it | 21:14 |
| russellb | so if you have better ideas, let me know, heh | 21:14 |
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| melwitt | haha ok | 21:14 |
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| russellb | anything else? | 21:14 |
| melwitt | I think that's it. I'll continue going through the bugs, try to trim all that down | 21:15 |
| russellb | thanks! | 21:15 |
| russellb | hartsocks: you're up | 21:15 |
| hartsocks | cool | 21:15 |
| hartsocks | So, we have 2 BP for Icehouse already approved and ready to go. | 21:15 |
| russellb | woo | 21:15 |
| hartsocks | I've got one on my plate that I need to finish. | 21:15 |
| russellb | how's the minesweeper | 21:16 |
| hartsocks | I'll have to solicit some help on that later today or tomorrow if someone's got time/interest. | 21:16 |
| russellb | what kind of help? | 21:16 |
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| hartsocks | on that topic, I just need to figure out how best to work with the oslo component I want to tie in with. | 21:16 |
| russellb | ok | 21:17 |
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| hartsocks | that's a bit of a can-o-worms so I'll just leave it. | 21:17 |
| russellb | k :) | 21:17 |
| russellb | hartsocks: see my minesweeper question? | 21:17 |
| hartsocks | We have a small patch in flight related to CI stability… | 21:17 |
| russellb | OK, patch to nova? | 21:18 |
| hartsocks | I *could* call it out … | 21:18 |
| russellb | or something else? | 21:18 |
| russellb | yeah now is a good time to call out high priority things, especially like that | 21:18 |
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| hartsocks | ugh. Taking too long for me to hunt up the link. | 21:18 |
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| russellb | ok, feel free to bring it to open discussion then | 21:18 |
| russellb | anything else you wanted to mention? | 21:18 |
| hartsocks | We do have 7 high priority bugs. I spammed that out yesterday. | 21:18 |
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| hartsocks | that's all for now. | 21:19 |
| russellb | yep, appreciate the reports | 21:19 |
| russellb | k, thanks! | 21:19 |
| russellb | #topic bugs | 21:19 |
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| russellb | how bad is the nova bug queue this week? | 21:19 |
| russellb | lifeless: any bug topics? | 21:19 |
| lifeless | hi yes | 21:19 |
| lifeless | so I will have an email out later today | 21:19 |
| russellb | looks like there's been some triage progress in the last week | 21:19 |
| lifeless | about what I want to do to the bug triage process | 21:19 |
| russellb | cool | 21:19 |
| russellb | an do you think we need a bug day to play catchup? | 21:19 |
| lifeless | bug basically it has way to much double handling | 21:20 |
| lifeless | so it's super inefficient - it's boiling the ocean | 21:20 |
| lifeless | can I run a high level replacement past the meeting? | 21:20 |
| russellb | sure | 21:20 |
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| lifeless | My idea is that triage only touches an untriaged bug once: we do everything we can do it and then either: | 21:21 |
| lifeless | A) leave it incomplete [pending user input] | 21:21 |
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| lifeless | or B) leave it triaged [coarse priority set] | 21:21 |
| lifeless | or C) we bounce it to ask.openstack.org | 21:21 |
| lifeless | the only time we touch it twice would be if it goes into A) | 21:21 |
| mriedem | (c) would be like usage help questions? | 21:21 |
| lifeless | yeah | 21:21 |
| mriedem | that we mark as invalid and send them to the ML now | 21:22 |
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| russellb | the idea with the tagging was just that there are lots of people qualified to triage subsets of the bugs | 21:22 |
| lifeless | the list? Ok sure | 21:22 |
| mriedem | so we have to repost it to ask.openstack.org or make the reporter do it? | 21:22 |
| lifeless | russellb: so I've been poking around | 21:22 |
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| russellb | not sure that's been happening in reality | 21:22 |
| lifeless | russellb: and I don't see at the level of 'assess importance' that we need deep plumbing in each hypervisor | 21:22 |
| mriedem | when i do triage i definitely tag stuff, but i don't know if they get love after that | 21:23 |
| lifeless | we only get ~ 10 new bugs a day. | 21:23 |
| lifeless | look ^ stats | 21:23 |
| russellb | only 10 a day, heh | 21:23 |
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| lifeless | so - the goals: | 21:23 |
| lifeless | - ensure users don't get stuck in limbo - they either get told 'its a real bug' or | 21:23 |
| lifeless | its a usage question' | 21:24 |
| lifeless | - we create a pool of low hanging fruit | 21:24 |
| lifeless | - vendor teams have bugs routed to them | 21:24 |
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| mriedem | hmmm, determining if something is a real bug could be hard w/o an env to recreate on | 21:24 |
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| lifeless | there's a bunch of bug management stuff we've been categorising as triage - like aging out bugs - that isn't triage - I want to build a separate process for that | 21:25 |
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| russellb | ok | 21:25 |
| lifeless | mriedem: so thats where you make a judgement call | 21:25 |
| cyeoh | so I do see a reasonable steady stream of bugs tagged api but not triaged. If we say that people have to triage at the same time as tag and they're not able to, they might just get left in limbo | 21:25 |
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| russellb | well i'm happy to try whatever right now | 21:25 |
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| russellb | whatever helps engage more people to get things touched | 21:25 |
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| lifeless | ok, so I'll have a draft of what I'd like to try up to the list today | 21:26 |
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| russellb | ok sounds good | 21:26 |
| lifeless | tldr;: | 21:26 |
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| lifeless | - much simpler /triage/ process and a group focused on making that really work | 21:26 |
| mriedem | qa team might have good input on this since they have to do this all the time for code they don't work on | 21:26 |
| russellb | k, will look out for the post | 21:26 |
| lifeless | - a separate maintenance process for aging out / reviewing idle-assigned etc. | 21:26 |
| russellb | another bug thing i wanted to bring up was the gate affecting stuff | 21:27 |
| russellb | there's been some ML posts on it the last couple days | 21:27 |
| russellb | also if you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs, look at everything marked CRITICAL | 21:27 |
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| russellb | if anyone has cycles, we could use some help on those things | 21:27 |
| lifeless | I did want to ask about this though: | 21:27 |
| lifeless | ' | 21:27 |
| lifeless | If the bug contains the solution, or a patch, set the bug status to Triaged ' | 21:27 |
| lifeless | I just can't understand how that makes sense; it doesn't fit any definition of triage I've ever encountered | 21:28 |
| mriedem | well it's either triaged or confirmed at that point by the reporter | 21:28 |
| mriedem | why they don't push the patch makes me wonder sometimes | 21:28 |
| lifeless | more context | 21:28 |
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| lifeless | the 'BugTriage' page treats Triaged as 'has a patch' | 21:29 |
| lifeless | for instance - 'We should review if the patch looks indeed like a patch, and if yes, set the bug status to Triaged to show that it comes with a likely solution, ready to be implemented. ' | 21:29 |
| lifeless | I just wanted to see if the nova folk share that understanding, or if it's a surprise :) | 21:29 |
| mriedem | personally i don't have the bug triage wiki page memorized | 21:30 |
| lifeless | The outside-openstack understanding of triaged is 'the urgency is known' | 21:30 |
| lifeless | I want to make sure I'm solving the actual problem | 21:30 |
| * russellb hasn't really used triaged much, just confirmed | 21:30 | |
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| devananda | so, my interpretation -- which doesn't match the wording well, but makes more sense to me -- has been confirmed = "yep, it's a bug!" vs. triaged = "AND here's a reasonable proposal on how to solve it" | 21:30 |
| mriedem | yeah, i don't use triaged much | 21:30 |
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| russellb | devananda: +1 | 21:30 |
| lifeless | devananda: thats not what triaged means in LP though | 21:30 |
| lifeless | devananda: it means 'importance has been assessed' | 21:30 |
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| lifeless | basically the standard emergency ward definition | 21:31 |
| russellb | heh just don't think we've used it that way | 21:31 |
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| lifeless | ok, so we may end up ratholing around that a little on the list. Thanks. | 21:31 |
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| russellb | alright, let's move on | 21:31 |
| russellb | #topic blueprints | 21:31 |
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| devananda | lifeless: that is redundant. [confirmed, no pri] vs [confirmed, has a priority] is sufficient triage. there is no need for a ternary state | 21:32 |
| russellb | general announcement, if you have blueprints targeted to icehouse-2, please check their status and make sure they are approved | 21:32 |
| shanewang | lifeless: is triaged "confirmed by the supervisor"? | 21:32 |
| russellb | if not, they may be waiting on your feedback | 21:32 |
| russellb | I'm going to move everything not approved to icehouse-3 a week from today | 21:32 |
| russellb | more details here: | 21:32 |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/021820.html | 21:32 |
| russellb | one blueprint i wanted to bring up is the GCE API | 21:33 |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/021469.html | 21:33 |
| russellb | I've recommended that they work on getting it into its own stackforge project for now, because i'm sensing very little support for this | 21:33 |
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| russellb | and in that message linked above, i'm asking for anyone that wants this in nova to speak up | 21:34 |
| russellb | i think we as a team need to be on board with maintaining this, at a minimum from a review perspective | 21:34 |
| russellb | point of bringing it up today was to raise awareness of the fact that i want that feedback | 21:34 |
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| russellb | anyone have thoughts on that right now? | 21:35 |
| mriedem | +1 to stackforge, i think that's going to be the route for most new stuff like new drivers | 21:35 |
| cyeoh | as I sort of mentioned in that thread, I don't think they've come up with a good reason for it needing to be in the Nova tree. | 21:35 |
| mriedem | then you get 3rd party CI going and prove it and incubate before getting promoted | 21:35 |
| russellb | i wouldn't say that as a blanket statement to all new things | 21:35 |
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| russellb | mriedem: oh, right | 21:35 |
| lifeless | devananda: right, this is an open bug on LP | 21:35 |
| cyeoh | since they're saying it can just sit on top of the nova rest api | 21:35 |
| russellb | cyeoh: they even agreed that the other way was better | 21:35 |
| russellb | so not making a good case :) | 21:35 |
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| mriedem | russellb: stackforge for anything new that requires 3rd party CI, maybe that makes more sense | 21:36 |
| russellb | so regardless of whether it ends up in nova, stackforge + CI is a good start | 21:36 |
| russellb | mriedem: +1 | 21:36 |
| russellb | but right now i'm not sensing much support of it ending up in nova in the near term | 21:36 |
| russellb | any other blueprints folks want to discuss today? | 21:36 |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-2 | 21:36 |
| russellb | 92 blueprints targeted to icehouse-2 right now :) | 21:37 |
| lifeless | shanewang: yes, bug supervisor == triager | 21:37 |
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| russellb | only 4 that reviewers have committed to | 21:37 |
| russellb | the core sponsorship thing doesn't really seem to be taking off | 21:37 |
| russellb | i still like the idea though | 21:37 |
| russellb | maybe it'll just take longer for us to get used to it | 21:38 |
| dansmith | has anyone other than john and I signed up for one? | 21:38 |
| alaski | I have a couple | 21:38 |
| dansmith | maybe we just need to be a little more vocal with the core folks | 21:38 |
| dansmith | alaski: ah, right | 21:38 |
| russellb | i have a couple | 21:39 |
| devananda | russellb: i'd like to bring up the deprecate-baremetal BP briefly | 21:39 |
| russellb | some that i have signed up for have just 1 though | 21:39 |
| russellb | devananda: sure | 21:39 |
| devananda | russellb: with the BP-needs-a-reviewer-signup thing, we don't have one yet :) | 21:39 |
| russellb | do you expect the driver to be ready for merging in icehouse-2? | 21:39 |
| devananda | russellb: also, I'd like some guidance on how ya'll would like the patch broken up. adding a new driver is, well, a lot of code to review at once | 21:40 |
| devananda | russellb: it should be functional by then | 21:40 |
| russellb | not sure how to break it up really ... | 21:40 |
| russellb | unless you did it by features | 21:40 |
| devananda | russellb: i'm not sure whether it'll be polished and all by end of jan, though | 21:40 |
| mriedem | new driver? | 21:40 |
| devananda | ironic | 21:41 |
| russellb | polished by end of jan puts it in icehouse-3 | 21:41 |
| devananda | supplanting baremetal driver | 21:41 |
| russellb | should we retarget? | 21:41 |
| devananda | russellb: deadline is jan22, no? | 21:41 |
| russellb | for merging | 21:41 |
| russellb | yeah | 21:41 |
| russellb | hopefully ready for review a little sooner | 21:41 |
| mriedem | so should a nova ironic driver start in stackforge to get CI going first? | 21:41 |
| russellb | we can leave it for now | 21:41 |
| russellb | i don't want to commit to reviewing for icehouse-2 if you're telling me it'll be ready for review the day before :) | 21:41 |
| devananda | heh, fair | 21:42 |
| russellb | based on that timeline, i'd sponsor for icehouse-3 | 21:42 |
| devananda | so it may be ready for some reviews now -- it's already ~ 700 LOC | 21:42 |
| devananda | and not feature complete yet ... | 21:42 |
| russellb | mriedem: good question on CI | 21:42 |
| mriedem | this also reminds me, we don't have a core set of required APIs for virt drivers... | 21:42 |
| devananda | thus my question about how / whether to break it up | 21:43 |
| russellb | devananda: how does CI look for this driver? | 21:43 |
| mriedem | so if you stagger in the reviews for a new virt driver and they don't all make core for the release, do you drop the entire driver? | 21:43 |
| russellb | mriedem: yes. we need one. | 21:43 |
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| devananda | russellb: current CI for this is "none" because Ironic is still workin gout the deployment API | 21:43 |
| * russellb nods | 21:43 | |
| russellb | so ... we have this requirement for the release, that CI exists or the driver gets pulled | 21:44 |
| mriedem | hmm, so then how does that fit into the i2 driver deprecation plan? | 21:44 |
| devananda | russellb: unless some mirantis folks really work quickly, I don't think we'l lhave the level of CI I want until after icehouse release | 21:44 |
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| devananda | unfortunately | 21:44 |
| devananda | (or someone else steps up to do it) | 21:44 |
| russellb | OK, that could realistically mean the driver slips to Jeckyll | 21:44 |
| dansmith | mriedem: this has been coming for a while, and replaces the baremetal driver, which we're eager to drop | 21:44 |
| mriedem | dansmith: yeah, but it still requires CI to live right? | 21:44 |
| mriedem | 3rd party CI if community infra doesn't host that? | 21:44 |
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| devananda | mriedem: this would mean an Icehouse release without either baremetal or ironic support .....? | 21:45 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: I think it will get a little slack on the deadline, I'm guessing | 21:45 |
| mriedem | so are we talking double standards here? | 21:45 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: we can't drop both | 21:45 |
| russellb | argh, i don't like the idea of not having either | 21:45 |
| mriedem | slippery slopes... | 21:45 |
| russellb | maybe we grant ironic an exception given the awkward timing for the transition | 21:45 |
| dansmith | I think the assumption is that ironic/BM is a key feature for openstack, | 21:45 |
| dansmith | and we're in a sticky situation right now so it has to get a little bit of a pass for the time being | 21:46 |
| devananda | mriedem, russellb -- if you consider tripleo's testing as "third party ci" then maybe that is sufficient | 21:46 |
| russellb | devananda: yes, i do | 21:46 |
| devananda | that's all based on nova-baremetal today | 21:46 |
| russellb | i think we would consider that significant enough CI progress to not drop it | 21:46 |
| devananda | great | 21:46 |
| mriedem | ok, i guess in general i'm interested in where the vmware, xenapi, docker, and hyperv teams are with CI | 21:46 |
| mriedem | maybe that's for open discussion | 21:46 |
| devananda | AIUI, lifeless plans to switch tripleo to use the ironic driver as soon as it works (where works == does everything baremetal does for tripleo) | 21:47 |
| russellb | vmware has minesweeper that they're actively building up | 21:47 |
| lifeless | yeah | 21:47 |
| dansmith | russellb: until it's reporting on each nova patch, I don't think the tripleo testing should "count" but I also think we have to consider this an exception :) | 21:47 |
| russellb | xenapi has some good progress integrating into upstream CI | 21:47 |
| russellb | docker and hyperv, haven't actually seen anything yet | 21:47 |
| lifeless | also we hope to bring up tempest tests against ironic clouds asap | 21:47 |
| devananda | russellb: so the ironic driver will get third-party CI at that point in time | 21:47 |
| lifeless | separate to tripleo switching | 21:47 |
| russellb | dansmith: fair | 21:47 |
| mriedem | russellb: but xenapi is using smokestack right? | 21:47 |
| russellb | mriedem: right now, but they're working on changing that | 21:47 |
| russellb | integrating into infra | 21:48 |
| lifeless | when the redhat region comes in, we should be able to get 'check' status tests infra - not thirdparty. | 21:48 |
| mriedem | ok, because smokestack doesn't run tempest afaik | 21:48 |
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| russellb | mriedem: yep | 21:48 |
| mriedem | and vmware has to run on all patches per the requirements | 21:48 |
| russellb | yes | 21:48 |
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| mriedem | s/vmware/vmware, hyperv, docker, xenapi, everything/ | 21:49 |
| russellb | yes yes | 21:49 |
| russellb | :) | 21:49 |
| russellb | any other blueprints? | 21:49 |
| lifeless | baremetal-preserve-ephemeral | 21:49 |
| lifeless | we have a sketch of all the bits up in gerrit | 21:49 |
| lifeless | would love someone to cast an eye over the code and comment on general direction | 21:49 |
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| russellb | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/baremetal-preserve-ephemeral | 21:50 |
| lifeless | maybe someone has since I asked about this on IRC yesterday - if so great,a nd sorry for the repeated q ;) | 21:50 |
| russellb | i'll sponsor that | 21:50 |
| russellb | if it's pretty far along already | 21:50 |
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| lifeless | yeah | 21:50 |
| russellb | assuming it's in the right direction, not a whole bunch left to do? | 21:50 |
| lifeless | we need comment on the driver API change | 21:51 |
| lifeless | we need to know if the HTTP API change is ok as is or needs to be a new extension | 21:51 |
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| russellb | for v2, without even looking, probably a new extension | 21:51 |
| russellb | allows you to discover that the feature is present | 21:51 |
| lifeless | not a change to the rebuild extension? | 21:52 |
| russellb | well, the code could be a change to rebuild, where it checks to see if this other extension is loaded | 21:52 |
| russellb | search for extended-services (i think) | 21:52 |
| cyeoh | lifeless: for v2 its normally a dummy extension (no content) | 21:52 |
| russellb | for an example of where the "extension" is just an empty dummy thing | 21:52 |
| russellb | and then some other code does something like ... if extension_is_loaded('my-thing'): support_my_thing() | 21:52 |
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| lifeless | I will look and see what we've got, but if one of you could comment directly on the review that would be awesomer | 21:53 |
| russellb | k | 21:53 |
| cyeoh | lifeless: do you have a link to which review? | 21:53 |
| russellb | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/baremetal-preserve-ephemeral,n,z | 21:54 |
| russellb | is the series ... | 21:54 |
| cyeoh | thx! | 21:54 |
| lifeless | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/baremetal-preserve-ephemeral,n,z | 21:54 |
| russellb | i can't find the API patch in there though | 21:54 |
| lifeless | huh, it was | 21:54 |
| russellb | anyway | 21:55 |
| russellb | we'll sort it :) | 21:55 |
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| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:55 |
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| russellb | 5 minutes! | 21:55 |
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| lifeless | I will find it and link in -nova | 21:55 |
| russellb | sounds good | 21:55 |
| cyeoh | just a reminder if people could remember to look at python-novaclient patches too? (And I'm not just saying that because I have a bunch of patches with one +2 sitting in there :-) | 21:55 |
| mrodden | i (and some others at IBM) are sponsoring a senior project team a university, and I was looking for idea of blueprints in OpenStack that would be good to have them work on | 21:56 |
| mrodden | at a university even... | 21:56 |
| russellb | mrodden: can it be ... fix a bunch of bugs? :-p | 21:56 |
| russellb | but that's cool | 21:56 |
| mrodden | that will probably be the first phase yes | 21:56 |
| mrodden | :) | 21:56 |
| mriedem | i suggested infra/qa stuff | 21:56 |
| mriedem | but that's a bit dirty probably | 21:56 |
| mrodden | was looking for something that would be achievable as i don't know how familiar with python or openstack they will be | 21:57 |
| mriedem | unless it's some neato gadget for helping automate something with bugs | 21:57 |
| russellb | cyeoh: indeed ... also, pro tip ... set up a "my review queue" bookmark... example: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient,n,z | 21:57 |
| russellb | but with all the projects and branches you care to review | 21:57 |
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| russellb | mriedem: thierry just posted an infra project idea to the -infra list | 21:58 |
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| lifeless | russellb: cyeoh: Id33d5d4107f89814842a3f0b7f33690dd7e3aadc | 21:58 |
| mriedem | mrodden: have the interns automate the release process :) | 21:58 |
| lifeless | bah, echannel | 21:58 |
| mriedem | no more MP branch | 21:58 |
| russellb | mriedem: the idea was infra-izing the schedule of #openstack-meeting and #openstack-meeting-alt | 21:58 |
| russellb | should check it out | 21:58 |
| mriedem | mrodden: ^ :) | 21:59 |
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| russellb | mriedem: mrodden http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2013-December/000517.html | 21:59 |
| mrodden | sweet thx | 21:59 |
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| mriedem | with more projects moving to adjust for all timezones that could help a lot | 21:59 |
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| russellb | we're out of time, off to #openstack-nova if anyone still wants to chat | 22:00 |
| russellb | thanks everyone! | 22:00 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 12 22:00:23 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-12-12-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-12-12-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-12-12-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting QA | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 12 22:02:35 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | hi who's here today at our new time? | 22:02 |
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| dkranz | o/ | 22:03 |
| maurosr | \o | 22:03 |
| masayukig | hi | 22:03 |
| mlavalle | I am | 22:03 |
| giulivo | hi | 22:03 |
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| rahmu | o/ first time | 22:03 |
| cyeoh | hi! | 22:03 |
| giulivo | cyeoh !! :) | 22:03 |
| cyeoh | first time for me too :-) | 22:03 |
| sdague | oh right -5 | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | today's agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 22:03 |
| sdague | I really thought this was another hour :) | 22:03 |
| cyeoh | guitarzan: :-) | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah I was thrown too I assumed the same thing :)( | 22:03 |
| cyeoh | its kind of nice having it straight after the Nova meeting | 22:04 |
| sdague | yeh | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | let's get started then | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:04 |
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| sdague | so giulivo has done an awesome job on clean up here | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: since you're taking the charge of blueprint clean up is there anything to report? | 22:04 |
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| giulivo | sure so firstly, please not I sent you an email with comments about a few bp | 22:05 |
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| giulivo | *note | 22:05 |
| giulivo | unless you disagree those will be closed/approved accordingly to the comments in the email | 22:05 |
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| giulivo | if you disagree, please reply | 22:05 |
| sdague | giulivo: sounds great | 22:05 |
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| sdague | giulivo: there are also a ton of "new" blueprints at the bottom | 22:06 |
| sdague | you going to purge those as well? | 22:06 |
| mlavalle | giulivo: is there a deadline to reply to the email? | 22:06 |
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| giulivo | well this was a topic I'd wanted to discuss | 22:06 |
| sdague | I think anything in new & unknown state should just be marked invalid | 22:06 |
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| giulivo | some are basically asking for more tests to cover one or another functionality, what shall we do with these? ideas? | 22:07 |
| giulivo | I'd close these too | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | giulivo: so basically how do we track new tests? | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | or new test development | 22:07 |
| sdague | giulivo: so if people are actually targeting them to milestones, I think we can leave them | 22:08 |
| dkranz | or new anything | 22:08 |
| giulivo | some instead are asking for new tests to cover components we don't have the services for and I'd actually approve these | 22:08 |
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| giulivo | mtreinish, indeed that was my point of concern, I think the easiest way for that is just a wiki page, maybe organized by component | 22:08 |
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| mtreinish | cyeoh: well you said a google doc spreadsheet works well for this right? | 22:08 |
| giulivo | I can't think of anything else, but I'm obviously open to input | 22:09 |
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| cyeoh | yea a spreadsheet works really well for api tests | 22:09 |
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| sdague | I guess I'd take a step back | 22:09 |
| cyeoh | if we really want to we can have a blueprint point to the appropriate spreadsheet. But a bp is in general a really cumbersome way of tracking progress for that sort of thing | 22:09 |
| giulivo | but wouldn't that force people to have a google account? what would be the benefits compared to the wiki? | 22:09 |
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| sdague | basically: what is a blueprint useful for | 22:09 |
| dkranz | sdague: Avoiding duplication | 22:10 |
| sdague | it's useful if a person is committing to deliver a thing by a milestone so we can ensure it gets review eyeballs | 22:10 |
| sdague | dkranz: sure, but that again needs both an owner and a milestone | 22:10 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yes. | 22:10 |
| sdague | and regularly updated status on it | 22:10 |
| dkranz | If we simply insisted that new blueprints had an owner and milestone it would to a long way | 22:11 |
| dkranz | go | 22:11 |
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| sdague | and the reason we go to the effort of that is to ensure that we prioritize reviews for it | 22:11 |
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| sdague | and if you have a blueprint, I also expect you to come to this meeting, or provide regular updates | 22:12 |
| sdague | in some other way | 22:12 |
| sdague | so I think doing the giant purge that giulivo is doing is great | 22:12 |
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| giulivo | sdague, I totally agree with that, but I still wouldn't apply this to "we need tests for cinder backup" type of blueprints | 22:12 |
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| sdague | giulivo: agreed | 22:13 |
| sdague | especially as there are already at least 3 bugs I duped together on that today :) | 22:13 |
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| sdague | ok, giulivo I think you can probably triage out 75% of the blueprints with the feedback you gathered so far right? | 22:14 |
| giulivo | yes | 22:14 |
| sdague | then maybe next week we cycle again on what's left | 22:14 |
| sdague | to handle any sticky issues around them | 22:14 |
| giulivo | but one thing, probably not on topic, remains open and that is how we track the actual tests people want to add | 22:14 |
| cyeoh | maybe we should also write it down in a wiki what sort of things we want blueprints for, and what we don't (and how people should handle it instead)? | 22:14 |
| sdague | giulivo: can we circle to that at the end? | 22:14 |
| giulivo | sdague, indeed not on topic, agree on that | 22:15 |
| sdague | cyeoh: so, I'm actually becoming more a fan that we should do that in the tempest docs tree | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | sdague: it is the last topic on the agenda :) | 22:15 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: great :) | 22:15 |
| sdague | ok | 22:15 |
| cyeoh | sdague: yep, that'd be fine with me | 22:15 |
| sdague | #action giulivo to do the great blueprint purge | 22:15 |
| sdague | and there was much rejoicing! | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | ok is there anything else that needs to be discussed about blueprints? | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | otherwise let's move on to the next topic | 22:16 |
| giulivo | mlavalle, one thing | 22:16 |
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| giulivo | I noticed a blueprint where we suggest to have tests for different network topologies in neutron | 22:16 |
| mlavalle | giulivo: listening... | 22:16 |
| giulivo | I wonder if that is at all feasible with our infra? | 22:17 |
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| giulivo | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/quantum-basic-api | 22:17 |
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| mlavalle | I think it is…. the question is to prioritize that development with thereat of things I am doing for Neutron | 22:17 |
| sdague | giulivo: I think we should gather more details on that, it's really more of an openstack-ci item | 22:17 |
| mlavalle | we can talk after the meeting | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: yeah I think right now there are other priorities for neutron testing | 22:18 |
| giulivo | ok for me | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | which is a good segway into the next topic | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | #topic Neutron testing | 22:18 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: you're up | 22:18 |
| mlavalle | so in the api testing fron I didi 3 things this week | 22:19 |
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| mlavalle | number 1 I created a wiki page with a How To for API tests development for Neutron https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/TempestAPITests | 22:19 |
| mlavalle | number 2 I sent a message to the ML recruting developers and pointing to the wiki page | 22:20 |
| mlavalle | number 3 I kept adding to the gap analysis in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-qa-neutron | 22:20 |
| mlavalle | at this point I have completed L2, L3, extensions management and provider networks | 22:21 |
| mlavalle | I will keep going through the API spec and hope to be finished by next week | 22:21 |
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| mlavalle | at that point I will just start developing tests | 22:21 |
| mlavalle | from the list | 22:22 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok as we were talking about a min. ago it might be useful to put that list into a spreadsheet somewhere | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | that seems to work really well for splitting up api tests | 22:22 |
| mlavalle | sure…… is that a Google spreadsheet? | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | especially because it's getting kind of length | 22:23 |
| anteaya | let's also acknowledge that EmilienM's patch merged and neutron grenade tests now run, though they don't yet test anything | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: sure I guess, I don't think we have openstack infra cloud spredsheet | 22:23 |
| cyeoh | mlavalle: yea we've used a google spreadsheet in the past, but anything really like that would be fine | 22:24 |
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| cyeoh | this is an example: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmYuZ6T4IJETdEVNTWlYVUVOWURmOERSZ0VGc1BBQWc#gid=0 | 22:24 |
| mlavalle | cool…. I'll move it to a spreasheet | 22:24 |
| cyeoh | it allows for really fine grained self allocation of work | 22:24 |
| mlavalle | any other questions / observations on this regard? | 22:25 |
| sdague | anteaya: yep, thankful for EmilienM's work there | 22:25 |
| sdague | what about the SSH bug? Anyone have any news on that | 22:26 |
| anteaya | we need some devs coming forward to write some of those tests on the list | 22:26 |
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| anteaya | so far, no volunteers | 22:26 |
| anteaya | so if any happen by | 22:26 |
| anteaya | point them to -neutron and to mlavalle and myself | 22:26 |
| anteaya | they don't need to commit much | 22:26 |
| anteaya | any help appreciated | 22:26 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando just came online | 22:27 |
| anteaya | and has 2 hours to dig into it | 22:27 |
| anteaya | I will give him his time and get a report from him before he goes offline | 22:27 |
| anteaya | hopefully to hand the baton to someone else | 22:27 |
| anteaya | my problem is that there seem to be many error messages captured by that logstash fingerprint | 22:27 |
| anteaya | so in my work I am having a hard time | 22:28 |
| anteaya | but my logstash foo is weak | 22:28 |
| anteaya | that is all I have on the ssh bug | 22:28 |
| sdague | anteaya: thanks | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | ok is there anything else to discuss on the neutron testing front? | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bug status | 22:29 |
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| mtreinish | so adalbas said he couldn't make it today | 22:30 |
| sdague | so, we started the day at 276 ? | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | but he wanted to thank everyone who contributed to the bug triage day today (or yesterday for some people :) | 22:30 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: he put some notes up here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-bug-triage | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-bug-triage | 22:30 |
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| sdague | http://status.openstack.org/bugday/tempest.html - cron was broken earlier in the day, so it doesn't have full progress | 22:31 |
| sdague | but I just got us to 97 | 22:31 |
| sdague | last check | 22:31 |
| * sdague still triaging | 22:31 | |
| mtreinish | wow that's a big drop | 22:31 |
| sdague | so thanks much to everyone | 22:31 |
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| sdague | huge amount of work there, and it helps in getting patterns out of it | 22:31 |
| sdague | like the fact that there are a ton of nova state transition bugs that get filed in piecemeal | 22:32 |
| sdague | which makes me think we actually need a new tempest test(s) that just do large_ops style run the state engine and try to break nova | 22:32 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: something like the stress tests with a fake virt driver? | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | sdague: we were talking about something like that in HK | 22:33 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: yeh, that would probably be a starting point | 22:33 |
| sdague | honestly I don't know if these are nova-compute bugs, or virt layer bugs with libvirt | 22:34 |
| giulivo | I would actually +1 the idea of using fake drivers for the api/gate tests and keep the real drivers for the periodic jobs | 22:34 |
| sdague | giulivo: I think we need real drivers in the gate | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | yeah if they're libvirt bugs we won't catch them with the fake driver | 22:34 |
| giulivo | but at gate we're not testing libvirt | 22:34 |
| giulivo | nor lvm | 22:34 |
| dkranz | And we need to ssh | 22:34 |
| sdague | giulivo: ?? we are testing those things today | 22:35 |
| dkranz | We need the gate jobs to be "real" | 22:35 |
| sdague | dkranz: so this class of bugs doesn't need ssh | 22:35 |
| sdague | right, agreed, I think that's a distraction | 22:35 |
| sdague | I'm not trying to remove anything | 22:35 |
| dkranz | sdague: I was referring to the comment about gate jobs | 22:35 |
| sdague | yep | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | sdague: well I can push out a new jjb job for running stress with a fake virt driver for like 20min | 22:36 |
| giulivo | heh okay I see I'm a minority here, will try to bring it up again differently not during the meeting :) | 22:36 |
| sdague | staying on topic-ish, I think nova state bugs are huge class of issues today, and we should try to figure out how to make them more frequent | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | that should be straightforward | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | we can do it nonvoting to see what it turns up | 22:36 |
| sdague | mtreinish: actually, I think we need to think through this further | 22:36 |
| ken1ohmichi_ | one question, can we get libvirt log on the gate? | 22:36 |
| giulivo | but the thing is I don't think at gating we should actually be testing if libvirt behaves correctly, but if the api behaves correctly | 22:36 |
| sdague | because I actually expect this might be very surgical | 22:36 |
| sdague | ken1ohmichi_: you know where it's logging to? | 22:37 |
| giulivo | libvirt is a subset of the nova drivers and , maybe just because it is the most common , we pick it for the "real" periodic jobs | 22:37 |
| sdague | giulivo: I disagree :) | 22:37 |
| ken1ohmichi_ | sdaue: log files under /var/log/libvirt/ | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: how about we save that discussion for after the meeting | 22:37 |
| sdague | ken1ohmichi_: we could definitely add it | 22:37 |
| ken1ohmichi_ | sdague: thanks, will check the way. | 22:38 |
| sdague | ken1ohmichi_: get with me in -qa after the meeting, and I'll give yuo the pointers as to where to do that | 22:38 |
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| ken1ohmichi_ | sdague: great, will catch you:-) | 22:38 |
| maurosr | one more thing related to the triage, I saw sdague and dkranz talking about it all day, so should we have guidelines to bug report? cause those tracebacks don't really help us, people are just trying to use bugs in tempest to rechecks | 22:38 |
| sdague | maurosr: yes, definitely | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | maurosr: yeah we need better triage guidelines | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | I think that is something adalbas was planning to work on moving forward | 22:39 |
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| sdague | do we want to do that now? or discuss in a review? I was going to propose something into the docs tree about triage and good bugs | 22:39 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: My patch to send non-whitelisted errors to the log on failure will help | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah I think doing it in a review would be fine | 22:40 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: It will then be easy to get the error from the log and not just the backtrace, if there is one | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: the d-g one? | 22:40 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes, but I don't know how to write shell script so it is not working | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok I'll take a look after the meeting | 22:41 |
| anteaya | will you post you "good bugs guidelines" to the ml? I need to read them | 22:41 |
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| anteaya | or a link to the ml | 22:41 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Help appreciated since I didn't understand Clark's comment | 22:41 |
| sdague | dkranz: where's the review? | 22:41 |
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| clarkb | dkranz: I am happy to clarify :) | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61850/ | 22:41 |
| sdague | anteaya: I think we'll handle it in a review in tempest doc tree | 22:41 |
| dkranz | clarkb: ok, I'll ping you later, thanks | 22:42 |
| anteaya | sdague: I will look there | 22:42 |
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| mtreinish | We've still got 4 topics on the agenda, so is there anything else to discuss on bugs? | 22:42 |
| dkranz | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61850/1/devstack-vm-gate.sh,unified | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: a good segway :) | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical Reviews (Meeting topic: QA)" | 22:43 | |
| mtreinish | so does anyone have any reviews that they would like to bring up | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | that they think need attention | 22:43 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I proposed we give some priority to heat and ceilo reviews | 22:44 |
| sdague | actually, the review queue is pretty short right now | 22:44 |
| sdague | it's pretty nice | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: that's the next topic | 22:44 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok :) | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | I actually have 2 | 22:44 |
| rahmu | I have a question about this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59759/ | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60866/ | 22:44 |
| rahmu | which I guess could be added to the conf file cleanup bp | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | and | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60578/ | 22:45 |
| sdague | rahmu: fire away | 22:45 |
| rahmu | have we settled on a way to skip a test if a middleware (in the case of swift) is not installed? | 22:45 |
| rahmu | there was some talks on the ml http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/thread.html#21121 | 22:45 |
| rahmu | and sdague said that a decorator on setupclass would be okay | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | rahmu: so I've been working on an approach with the extensions | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | rahmu: actually using decorators for something that depends on a config variable isn't going to work | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | you need to do it inside the function | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | something I figured out a couple of days ago, I can give you hand with it after the meeting | 22:46 |
| sdague | rahmu: so I'd say follow mtreinish's lead on how he's tackling the compute extensions | 22:47 |
| rahmu | okay thanks. I'll ping you later mtreinish | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | rahmu: ok cool | 22:47 |
| sdague | mtreinish: +2 to both of your reviews | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | sdague: sweet thanks | 22:47 |
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| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61873/ - easy, and probably closes a bug :) | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | ok, are there any other reviews anyone would like to bring up? | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61873/ | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | I'll +2 it, I just want to dig a little bit more in why it's there | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | because it's a little strange looking | 22:49 |
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| giulivo | and I don't understand why it would be failing anyway | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | ok, lets move on | 22:49 |
| cyeoh | mtreinish: possibly someone was thinking of checking server status | 22:49 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I believe that line was recently added to *avoid* a race condition. I'll track it down. | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | cyeoh: yeah, I had a couple of ideas | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | #topic We should consider putting a fast-track on heat and ceilometer tests since they are integrated but lacking. (dkranz) | 22:50 |
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| dkranz | cyeoh: That method now checks server status too I believe | 22:50 |
| dkranz | cyeoh: As of a recent change | 22:50 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Any dissenters? | 22:50 |
| cyeoh | dkranz, ah ok | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: this lengthy topic is yours... | 22:50 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: no I'm fine | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | my only concern is heat tests don't work and we have no way to verify them | 22:50 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Some of them do work. | 22:51 |
| sdague | yeh, we're basically wedged on getting infrastructure up for the slow tests | 22:51 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I don't know what to do about the others | 22:51 |
| sdague | I've been trying to review the other ones | 22:51 |
| dkranz | sdague: right | 22:51 |
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| sdague | but I think that is fine as priorities go | 22:51 |
| dkranz | sdague: At this point I think it would do more good than harm to review things even if they don't run. Just for this special case. | 22:52 |
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| sdague | dkranz: it would be good to get folks working on those into the -qa channel as well on a regular basis | 22:52 |
| anteaya | is there a rep from heat and from ceilometer in this meeting? | 22:52 |
| dkranz | Yes | 22:52 |
| sdague | so we can give more specific feedback | 22:52 |
| dkranz | stevebaker: ^^^ | 22:52 |
| dkranz | I think we can move on | 22:52 |
| sdague | stevebaker has been great | 22:52 |
| sdague | but we need a ceilo person | 22:52 |
| sdague | dkranz: can you take a todo to recruit one | 22:53 |
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| sdague | ? | 22:53 |
| dkranz | sdague: Sure | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | #action dkranz to recruit a ceilo core to be focal point on ceilo tempest tests | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | ok let's move on | 22:53 |
| sdague | thanks mtreinish | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | #topic Should we have more specialization on the Core review team? e.g. I am comfortable with the nova v3 patches, but no where on neutron. (dkranz) | 22:53 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: another lengthy topic | 22:54 |
| anteaya | the topics passed pep8 apparently | 22:54 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: This is really a question of whether we should all review everything scattershot or each take an area to hit first when reviewing | 22:54 |
| dkranz | Doesn't mean we are limited to one area | 22:55 |
| dkranz | But I found reviewing the nova v3 changes got easier after I had done a bunch | 22:55 |
| sdague | so I was looking at some neutron tests recently | 22:55 |
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| sdague | and I asked in the review for a link to the API docs for that section | 22:56 |
| sdague | which was provided in a comment by lifeless | 22:56 |
| sdague | and it was incredibly useful | 22:56 |
| cyeoh | well I'd agree there is definitely a big learning curve to be able to review changes for a new api/project | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | sdague: so your saying you want links to api specs in commit messages for new tests now? | 22:56 |
| sdague | so I kind of wonder if we should ask that of at least API tests | 22:56 |
| sdague | mtreinish: or in a comment | 22:56 |
| giulivo | sdague, I would put these links in the aforementioned wiki page were we track api tests | 22:57 |
| cyeoh | sdague: I think that's a good idea, though admittedly for the v3 api we don't really have a spec document yet | 22:57 |
| sdague | giulivo: or there | 22:57 |
| sdague | cyeoh: yeh, so it's hard to validate API tests for an API with no docs :) | 22:57 |
| sdague | so it seems like we've got a cart / horse problem there | 22:57 |
| dkranz | sdague: I asked for that fot nova v3 and was pointed to a diff with v2 which was what was needed. | 22:57 |
| anteaya | I think it is a reasonable request | 22:57 |
| cyeoh | sdague: yea we only have v2/v3 diff document which is still buggy | 22:58 |
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| sdague | cyeoh: well as dkranz said, it was useful | 22:58 |
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| sdague | but, yeh, some easier way of pointing reviewers to the spec would just expedite reviews | 22:58 |
| anteaya | exactly | 22:58 |
| dkranz | I think the issues is that when we started, there were a few projects/apis and we all knew all of them | 22:59 |
| cyeoh | agreed. | 22:59 |
| dkranz | But I have not been able to keep up with all the new apis and projects | 22:59 |
| dkranz | I was suggesting we divide and conquer for that | 22:59 |
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| giulivo | dkranz, maybe we could put a couple of nicks next to each component telling people to add those as reviewers *if* in need ? | 23:00 |
| dkranz | But not in a rigid way. Let me think a little more and propose something | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well, we're out of time | 23:00 |
| dkranz | Not right now | 23:00 |
| sdague | dkranz: cool | 23:00 |
| giulivo | (I mean that in the tempest docs) | 23:00 |
| sdague | yeh, I think we need to give up the room | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | giulivo: sorry we couldn't get to your topic | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | we'll save it for next week | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 12 23:00:37 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-12-12-22.02.html | 23:00 |
| sdague | thanks everyone | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-12-12-22.02.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-12-12-22.02.log.html | 23:00 |
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