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ilyashakhatit's time for Stackalytics meeting15:00
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hnarkaytisyeahh!!! lets have some fun15:00
ilyashakhat#topic news15:01
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ilyashakhatrelease 0.4 happened last Thur15:01
hnarkaytislink plz15:01
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hnarkaytiswhat about plans for next cycle&15:03
ilyashakhat#topic roadmap for the next release15:03
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hnarkaytisdo we have any blueprints?15:03
ilyashakhatlet's take a look at bps
ilyashakhatthe first is
hnarkaytisyeahh, I like this one15:04
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hnarkaytisso there would be a couple of additional metrics15:06
ilyashakhatcurrently we have a good top of reviewers and want to extend it15:06
hnarkaytislike number of commits and patchsets15:06
ilyashakhatthat will correlate more with what "cores" look like15:06
ilyashakhatthey do most reviews and do a number of commits15:06
hnarkaytisI wonder if Russel is here right now15:07
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russellbsort of15:07
hnarkaytishi there15:07
hnarkaytiswe decided to extend your report15:07
hnarkaytisso there would be more transparency for promotion to core15:08
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hnarkaytisso what about other BP?15:09
hnarkaytisI see metric - patchset15:10
ilyashakhatanother candidate is
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hnarkaytisyahh - this one is easy15:10
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ilyashakhatthis metric shows a number of patchsets posted for review15:10
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ilyashakhatalso we can add some module summary, like the ratio between posted patches and merged15:11
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hnarkaytisBTW, getting back to Russells report. There is another idea, to make it more interactive - add drop-down with report period in days, and drop-down with projects list15:12
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ilyashakhatyep, that's doable15:12
hnarkaytisdo we have this idea in BP?15:12
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ilyashakhathnarkaytis: let's go further15:13
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hnarkaytiswell - this is not enough for next release cycle15:13
hnarkaytiswe need some killer feature15:13
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hnarkaytisthis one doesn't look reasonable... there would be 99% of python and 1% of HTML15:15
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hnarkaytisnumber of downloads is not trackable15:15
ilyashakhatand we don't have any info on download15:15
hnarkaytislets abandon this one15:15
hnarkaytisso what ablut killer feature?15:16
ilyashakhatmove bp to deferred?15:16
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hnarkaytisyeah - lets move it to deferred15:16
hnarkaytisthere was an idea to add more functionality around timeline15:16
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hnarkaytistrends analysis15:16
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ilyashakhatwhat is that about?15:18
hnarkaytisat least we need a decent legend for timeline15:18
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ilyashakhatlegend is easy-doing-thing15:18
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hnarkaytisprobably more controls to manipulate timeline15:19
hnarkaytissomething like Google analytics15:19
ilyashakhatSergeyLukjanov: do you have any ptl requests?15:19
ilyashakhatwe are limited by library here15:19
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ilyashakhatthey don't provide such functionality15:19
ilyashakhatonly static image15:20
hnarkaytisI have an idea! lets track visits to personal pages and calculate popularity of developers15:20
ilyashakhator find the one who checks his stats most :)15:21
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hnarkaytisactually I can extract such report from google analitycs15:21
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hnarkaytisthere was a request on projects grouping15:22
ilyashakhat#topic Open Bugs15:22
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ilyashakhathere it is:
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1244485 in stackalytics "Grouping used in stackalytics is inaccurate/incorrect" [High,New]15:22
hnarkaytislets discuss details15:22
chandankumarsorry i got late15:23
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hnarkaytiswe are talking about projects grouping15:23
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ilyashakhathnarkaytis: for example tempest is currently in 'other' group, but should be in core15:23
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hnarkaytisright now we have 5 top level categories15:24
chandankumarilyashakhat, hnarkaytis hello15:24
ilyashakhatchandankumar: hi!15:24
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SergeyLukjanovprobably, I'd like to see some stats about code review latency, like
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hnarkaytischandankumar: hi15:25
hnarkaytisI beleive that we already have this report15:25
SergeyLukjanovand something like but for projects groups15:25
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hnarkaytisSergeyLukjanov: tell us more about this report15:26
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hnarkaytiswhat is S and F?15:27
SergeyLukjanovhnarkaytis, it's a prioritized list that could be used be reviewers to take the hottest CRs to review first15:27
SergeyLukjanovby reviewers*15:27
ilyashakhathottest = most reviewed?15:28
ilyashakhatdo you know the criteria?15:28
SergeyLukjanovthat needs review15:28
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SergeyLukjanovS == some score of the importance15:28
chandankumarSergeyLukjanov, CR means?15:28
SergeyLukjanovF == feedback15:28
DinaBelovachandankumar, Change Request15:29
SergeyLukjanovchandankumar, code review15:29
DinaBelovaoh :)15:29
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hnarkaytisany ideas how this score is calculated?15:29
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SergeyLukjanovDinaBelova, change requests works too15:29
DinaBelovaSergeyLukjanov, yep, both appropriate :)15:29
SergeyLukjanovhnarkaytis, it consists of importance of bugs/blueprints linked to this CR15:30
ilyashakhatwell, Stackalytics doesn't have bugs info15:30
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hnarkaytiswell, we need to look into this report offline15:31
ilyashakhatso it would be impossible to calc this15:31
SergeyLukjanovand I think that it should depend on reviewers latency15:31
hnarkaytisBTW, statistics on bugs is a good idea15:31
ilyashakhat#action hnarkaytis to look at how is calculated15:31
chandankumarhnarkaytis, yes15:31
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hnarkaytislets add a BP with bugs metric15:32
chandankumarhnarkaytis, can we add a feature that a user can filed a bug on launch pad.15:33
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chandankumaris shown in stackalytics?15:33
hnarkaytischandankumar: I can't say that I understood you correctly...15:33
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chandankumarok, i can tell about this after meeting15:34
hnarkaytisok, lets take this offline15:34
SergeyLukjanovit'll be really cool to have some page 'to review' that'll show all change requests that are not yet reviewed by the current user atm especially if it'll be possible to specify several project groups to be shown15:34
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SergeyLukjanovwith prioritie15:35
SergeyLukjanovare there any plans to add user settings?15:35
hnarkaytisfor now Stackalytics is stateless15:35
SergeyLukjanovyou now all launchpad ids and it's really easy to impl launchpad-based auth15:35
ilyashakhatuser settings -- no15:35
ilyashakhatSergeyLukjanov: list of reviews -- isn't it the same that gerrit shows?15:36
hnarkaytisotherwise it would be impossible to deploy another copy and double check correctness of numbers15:36
SergeyLukjanovilyashakhat, the main thing is to correctly sort them15:36
SergeyLukjanovand hide already reviewed by you15:36
ilyashakhatgot it15:37
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ilyashakhatit's not possible to hide already reviewed in gerrit, right?15:37
SergeyLukjanovyup, you can't specify filter like review by NNN15:37
SergeyLukjanovsort isn't depends on user setting15:38
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SergeyLukjanovand to hide CR you just need the users launchpad id15:38
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SergeyLukjanovis it possible to see open CRs at stackalytics atm?15:38
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hnarkaytisyes - we have this information15:39
ilyashakhatbut we don't have report that shows all open15:39
ilyashakhatmaybe we can add report available with LP auth that shows smth like 'recommended for review'15:39
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ilyashakhatand that's gonna be a killa feature15:40
hnarkaytiswell - this sounds more reasonable15:40
hnarkaytislets put this idea into BP and sleep with it for a night15:40
SergeyLukjanovping me when you'll think about the score calculation15:41
SergeyLukjanovI think that I have some ideas15:41
hnarkaytisok, I'll find you15:41
ilyashakhatplz add them to bp :)15:41
hnarkaytisI want to get back to grouping15:41
hnarkaytisright now we have 5 top level groups15:42
hnarkaytisaccording to official documents - there should be only 3 - core, integrated, incubated15:42
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hnarkaytisoriginally we decided to extract documentation into dedicated group, beacuse it generates much more LOCs then any other15:43
hnarkaytisinfrastructure is listed as a part of core programms15:43
ilyashakhatand what about projects like 'gitdm', 'statusbot'15:44
ilyashakhatwhere do they go?15:44
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ilyashakhatand what goes as 'infra'?15:44
hnarkaytisso there would be 4 categories: core, integrated, incubated, other15:44
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SergeyLukjanovdo we really need core?15:46
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1244485 in stackalytics "Grouping used in stackalytics is inaccurate/incorrect" [High,New]15:46
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hnarkaytiscore - is the main group. there is no option to remove it15:47
ilyashakhatSergeyLukjanov: if not, where all core projects go?15:47
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ilyashakhatofficially integrated != core15:48
SergeyLukjanovfor me there are several groups: [official: [integrated],[incubated]] [others]15:48
SergeyLukjanovcore is the subgroup for integrated15:48
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SergeyLukjanovand afaiu it's not really clear def of core15:49
hnarkaytiswe don't want to have the 3rd level of classification15:49
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hnarkaytisprobably we need to replace tree-like classification on tags15:50
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ilyashakhatsuper-groups like module-groups15:50
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hnarkaytisthen it would not be a problem to calculate stats on documentation15:51
ilyashakhatand remove project type selector completely15:51
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hnarkaytislets discuss this offline. probably tags is a good idea15:51
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ilyashakhat#action discuss tags vs project types15:52
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ilyashakhatso I guess that's pretty all with agenda15:52
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ilyashakhat#topic open discussion15:52
hnarkaytisilyashakhat: do we have anything else if our backlog for today's meeting15:52
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hnarkaytisI have a question15:53
ilyashakhatyes, please15:53
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hnarkaytisis there any sense to apply for incubated for Stackalytics?15:53
ilyashakhatwell, our mission is not related to OS, but related to community15:54
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ilyashakhatdo you think we map to definition of Program?15:55
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hnarkaytisyeah - we are not tied to OS...15:55
hnarkaytisI prefer to have Stackalytics more independent from official programs15:55
ilyashakhatas it is now?15:56
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hnarkaytiswell - I think we are done15:56
hnarkaytislets wrap up15:56
ilyashakhatok, I think it's time to say goodbye)15:57
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hnarkaytisilyashakhat: bye15:57
chandankumarilyashakhat, Thank you for the meeting15:57
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hnarkaytischandankumar: bye15:57
chandankumarhnarkaytis, bye15:57
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ilyashakhatbye everyone15:57
chandankumarilyashakhat, may i get a bug to work on?15:57
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ilyashakhatchandankumar: what about to add module and time period selector to review stats report?15:59
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ilyashakhati'll create a bug tomorrow15:59
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chandankumarilyashakhat, yes that will work.16:00
ilyashakhatit's time to free room for next meeting :)16:00
rakhmerovhi guys16:00
rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral16:00
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igormarnatHi, guys!16:00
rakhmerovlet's start16:01
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rakhmerov#topic Review AIs16:02
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rakhmerovbtw, here's the link to agenda:
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rakhmerovthe first one:16:03
rakhmerovrakhmerov, submit blueprints for TaskFlow about lacking functionality (i.e. asynchronous tasks)16:03
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rakhmerovfor now I submitted 1 BP for TaskFlow related to asynchronous tasks processing:
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rakhmerovthis is the most important thing for us that TaskFlow folks are working on now16:04
rakhmerovhi )16:05
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rakhmerovlike we discussed before we decided to implement Mistral engine without TaskFlow for now and work with TaskFlow guys on additional requirements16:05
igormarnatDid you have a chance to discuss the BP with TaskFlow team? Any feedback?16:06
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rakhmerovwell, we discussed in details the whole problem with Joshua and Ivan Melnikov and based on that I created a BP16:06
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rakhmerovand we're on the same page with them here16:07
rakhmerovso yes, Ivan was going to implement some prototype soon and we need to check the status of that16:07
igormarnatOk, cool16:07
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rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, check the status of async tasks in TaskFlow with Ivan16:08
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rakhmerovwe also hav an AI: Evaluate an interface of salt minion16:09
rakhmerovwe didn't get to it last week16:09
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rakhmerovwe need to pas it on to this week, I think it will be possible by the end of the week16:10
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rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, Evaluate an interface of salt minion16:10
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rakhmerovthe same thing about the next one: Work on joel_c requirement about communication with VM agent16:10
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rakhmerovwe need to get in touch with him to discuss the details16:12
rakhmerovgokrokve, can we set up a meeting with joel_c about that?16:13
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gokrokveThere is a meeting with Joel at 916:13
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gokrokveYes. I will ask him about it16:13
gokrokveYou can also join today16:13
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rakhmerovI would prefer to have a separate one16:13
rakhmerovand know about it in advance :)16:13
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rakhmerovlike we discussed before it can be our next step in development16:14
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rakhmerovso we need to find out what he needs exactly to take it into account16:14
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rakhmerov#action gokrokve, set up a meeting with joel_c to find out about his requirements16:16
rakhmerovlet's move to discussing PoC status16:17
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rakhmerov#topic PoC status16:17
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rakhmerovat this point we implemented approximately 90% of what we planned16:18
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rakhmerovincluding Rest API, python client for Rest API, Scheduler (to run workflows according to cron patterns), authentication and lots of other infrastructural things16:19
rakhmerovthe main thing that is left is the engine itself16:19
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rakhmerovlast Wed we started working on the 3rd version of it since, as we think, we finally came up with really simple idea of how it can be built with regard to further HA and Scalability requirements16:21
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rakhmerovso by now we've written all the required code for it and it's just a matter of waiting for a couple of commits (dependencies) to be merged to start testing it16:22
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rakhmerovI'm planning to start testing it all together tomorrow16:23
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rakhmerovso by the end of this week we're planning to demonstrate the results of what we did16:23
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rakhmerovand we agreed to release it with tag "poc"16:23
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rakhmerovso generally, the work on engine turned to be the most tricky thing but hopefully we found a good solution16:24
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igormarnatIt expected to be the most tricky thing, isn't it?16:25
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rakhmerovyeah, right16:25
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rakhmerovfrom the very beginning we didn't have a clear vision of how it should be implemented16:25
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rakhmerovand I think it's a good achivement that we now have it (at least we think so)16:26
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rakhmeroveven though we're a little bit behind the schedule16:26
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rakhmerovone special thing that I was going to discuss again is Demo App for PoC16:27
rakhmerov#topic Discuss Demo App for PoC16:27
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rakhmerovNikolayM started working on it and looks like we have to implement it in a different way if we want to get it done quickly, not like we planned initially (create VMs, volumes etc.)16:29
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igormarnatBTW, I didn't manage to find any description on wiki or in ether pads. Do we have any?16:29
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NikolayM416agree with Renat16:30
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rakhmerovigormarnat, let me doublecheck that16:30
rakhmerovthe problem is that in order to implement a simple scenario like "Create VMs", "Attach volumes" etc. we need something like a Data Flow already16:30
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rakhmerovbecause say if we create a VM as the first step we need a way to transfer a VM id on to the next task16:31
akuznetsovcan we simplify the scenario e.g. only backup of VMs16:31
rakhmerovthis is not yet clear from DSL perspective16:31
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igormarnatOr we can create the very simple data flow, something really primitive, can't we?16:32
rakhmerovakuznetsov, yes I think we can but let's ask NikolayM41616:32
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rakhmerovigormarnat, I think given our current activities it'll take time, I think ~1 week16:33
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rakhmerovif we can afford this then yes, we can follow that way16:33
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rakhmerovso let me list our options first and then we can decide which way to proceed16:33
igormarnatYep, I just tried to add something to the list of options, not to select one:)16:34
rakhmerov1. Create a simple workflow with OpenStack services that do not require Data Flow16:34
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rakhmerov2. Create a simple implementation of Data Flow (~1 week estimation)16:34
rakhmerov3. Create a simple Demo App that exposes 1-2 endpoints, uploads a workflow with webhooks only leading back to those endpoints of the app16:35
rakhmerovso option 3 does not assume having OpenStack installed16:36
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rakhmerovand it generally it can just work locally, when an endpoint gets a request to execute an action from Mistral we could just log it in a beautiful way and demonstrate how tasks are executed16:37
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rakhmerovin what order and with what parameters16:37
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rakhmerovso what are your thoughts guys?16:37
igormarnatBTW, what does Stan say about this?16:37
rakhmerovI think NikolayM has already started working on option 316:38
rakhmerovbut we can change that direction right now16:38
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rakhmerovNikolayM416, what do you think about option with just making backups?16:39
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rakhmerovdo you think it has some pitfalls?16:39
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rakhmerovfor me it seems to be fine16:41
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rakhmerovI just want to make sure we will be able to implement it quickly16:41
NikolayM416rakhmerov: I think it is good idea but it requires auth16:41
rakhmerovpeople are waiting :)16:41
rakhmerovauthentication should be done16:42
igormarnatI think .3 is fine, providing that we'll start working on implementation of PoC of data flow in parallel with discussion of results of current PoC16:42
rakhmerovigormarnat, agree with you16:42
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rakhmerovok, let me make a suggestion16:43
rakhmerovgiven on the information that you guys provided16:43
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rakhmerovin my understanding, is the only thing we're waiting to be able to create simple (w/o Data Flow) workflows working with OpenStack, right?16:44
rakhmerovit's now failing on the tests16:45
rakhmerovI think we need to fix it somewhere16:45
rakhmerovakuznetsov, can you please take a look at it tomorrow?16:45
rakhmerovso my suggestion is to proceed with option 3 (simple app w/o OpenStack at all) for now, it should be quickly enough (~1-2 days)16:46
rakhmerovand once we merge all required things for authentication and keystone trust mechanism we can create a simple workflow for backing VMs up16:47
rakhmerovit should be pretty easy too16:47
rakhmerovso, in other words, my suggestion is:16:47
rakhmerov1. High priority: simple demo app with endpoints to demonstrate Mistral w/o OpenStack16:48
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rakhmerov2. Medium priority: simple workflow for backing up VMs on schedule16:48
rakhmerovonce we get auth done16:49
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rakhmerovsounds good for you?16:49
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igormarnatLooks good because it's going to work both with and w/o OS, and will not require changes in engine and app, only an addition of data flow, right?16:49
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rakhmerovmy point here is to start testing engine as soon as possible16:50
akuznetsovI think we should demonstrate Mistral with OpenStack because Mistral is OpenStack project, not an some abstract workflow as service16:50
rakhmerovwe will, now worries16:50
rakhmerovno worries16:50
rakhmerovas we get these things done with auth16:50
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tnurlygayanovrakhmerov, ok, when we will have the first prototype which will deploy something?16:51
igormarnatno worries is much better than now worry:)16:51
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rakhmerovyes indeed :)16:51
rakhmerovit just bothers me that we didn't start testing all main mechanisms together: REST API, client, Scheduler, engine16:51
rakhmerovand that's why I think simple app w/o OpenStack would allow us to finally start doing it16:52
rakhmerovI'm pretty sure we'll find a lot of problems once we start doing that16:52
tnurlygayanovyes )16:53
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rakhmerovbut again, don't get me wrong: I want to demonstrate it with OpenStack too16:53
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igormarnatAgree, this is the best way to go16:54
igormarnatAnything else in agenda?16:54
rakhmerov#action NikolayM, get a simple demo app done by Wed w/o OpenStack16:54
rakhmerov#action akuznetsov, finalize work related with authentication and keystone trusts16:55
rakhmerovwell, this is the main thing I wanted to bring up actually16:55
rakhmerovand I'm glad we agreed on that16:56
igormarnatThe audience is small for now, it helps sometimes:)16:56
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rakhmerovyep :)16:56
rakhmerovthe other thing I was going to talk about is the engine architecture itself but looks like we don't have time today16:56
rakhmerovwe can do it next time along with results we'll get done16:57
igormarnatYep, let's postponed it for the future. For now you can drop the link here, if any16:57
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rakhmerovmy bad, I think it's still not published on the wiki16:57
rakhmerovshame on me (I'm too deep into development now)16:58
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rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, publish POC Mistral Engine architecture on wiki16:58
rakhmerovok, let's wrap up for today16:58
rakhmerovthanks to everyone!16:59
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NobodyCam#startmeeting Ironic19:00
NobodyCam#chair devananda19:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Dec 16 19:00:02 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at
NobodyCamWelcome everyone to the Ironic meeting.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'19:00
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda19:00
NobodyCamOf course the agenda can be found at:19:00
NobodyCam#topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements19:00
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NobodyCamWho's here for the Ironic Meeting?19:00
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NobodyCamwelcome all :)19:00
NobodyCamdevananda: is trapped in traffic today19:00
matty_dubsMe! (Pretty new to Ironic, hi all!)19:00
NobodyCamhi matty_dubs19:01
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NobodyCamgreat to see everyone19:02
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NobodyCamone announcement19:02
NobodyCamwe want to start a new topic in the meeting19:02
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NobodyCamto go over the BP, and bug reports targeted at the next release.. just make sure we are on track19:03
NobodyCam(we'll get to that shortly)19:03
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NobodyCamahh also.. no meeting next week19:04
NobodyCamholiday and all19:04
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rloo_NobodyCam: is there a meeting the week after that?19:04
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rloo_NobodyCam: Dec 3019:04
NobodyCamthat would be the 1st19:04
NobodyCamI'm not sure I'll be able to make that one19:05
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NobodyCambut we'll play it by ear and see how many folks are going to be around19:05
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rloo_NobodyCam: could you just make an action item to let us know when the next meeting is :-)19:05
NobodyCam#action (nobodycam) find out when next meeting will be and update agenda with correct time19:06
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lucasagomesI will be on holidays after this week so I won't be able to make the next two meetings19:06
NobodyCamrloo_: so first glance looks like no meeting19:07
rloo_NobodyCam: so can we decide now that it will be Jan whatever?19:07
rloo_Jan 619:07
k4n0I am here for Ironic meeting, sorry to be late19:07
linggaoI will be on vac. back on Jan 2nd.19:07
NobodyCamya 6th looks like it19:07
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NobodyCambut please check the agenda I'll make sure its updated19:08
rloo_will do!19:08
NobodyCamany announcements  from any one else?19:08
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NobodyCammoving on.19:08
NobodyCam#topic Outstanding, in-progress or Action Item updates19:09
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NobodyCamdevananda: is working hard on
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NobodyCamwe found a slight issue with the nova driver on friday19:10
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romcheg1I'm still working on tempest and infra19:10
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NobodyCamromcheg1: please check the mailing lists19:10
lucasagomesNobodyCam, that's the problem with the http_client ?19:10
NobodyCamdevananda: said there was some good info from the last nova meeting19:10
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NobodyCamlucasagomes: ya19:11
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romcheg1NobodyCam: will do19:11
lucasagomesNobodyCam, right, I started reviewing the driver, didn't finish tho (it was almost end the day here) so I will post my comments tomorrow19:12
NobodyCamlucasagomes: TY19:12
NobodyCamok lets jump in to the new section: Regular Topics19:12
NobodyCam#topic Regular Topics19:13
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NobodyCamlets take a few minutes and go over the Bp's and bugs19:13
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NobodyCamonly looking at Essential and high priority19:15
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NobodyCamso: romcheg1 anything on -nova19:15
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romcheg1NobodyCam: I started making a research on that19:16
NobodyCam:) still on track :)19:16
romcheg1There are no chassis in nova19:16
romcheg1But in fact every node has it's chassis19:17
rloo_NobodyCam: that link doesn't work for me19:17
rloo_thx jdob19:17
romcheg1Currently I'm not sure how to handle that19:17
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matty_dubsj/win 319:18
NobodyCamromcheg1: lets hook up with devananda on that asap.. prob tomorrow morning by the time he's on line19:18
lucasagomesromcheg1, yea, I think there's not much we can do in this case19:18
lucasagomesnova doesn't have the chassis abstraction19:19
lucasagomesso I would just put everything in one chassis19:19
rloo_is the migration supposed to be automated?19:19
NobodyCamrloo_: as much as posiable19:19
rloo_and/or can info be collected first?19:19
rloo_(like what chassis they'd like the nodes associated with)19:20
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rloo_otherwise, i'd go with lucasagomes' suggestion.19:20
NobodyCamnext one's are on devananda's plate so we'll a update when hes back on line19:20
NobodyCamdo we have Sun Jing here today?19:20
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yuriyzabout bug I think we need "maintenance" provision state and save current state in target_provision _state19:21
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1260099 in ironic "Can not take a node offline for maintenance" [High,Confirmed]19:21
NobodyCamok need to get a update on "use ipmitool to provide serial console access"19:21
linggaoShe puts some comments in the BP19:21
linggaoShe is working on it as far as I know.19:22
yuriyzsee my comment ^19:22
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linggaoI had some discussion last week.19:22
linggaowith her19:22
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haomeng2I can reach Jing tmorrow morning19:22
linggaoShe said she'll use ipmitool + shellinabox first.19:23
NobodyCamhaomeng2: great19:23
linggaothen use jbjohn's pyghmi.19:23
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linggaoThere should be two console implementaions19:23
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NobodyCamhaomeng2: can you also check that she is still on track with that one19:24
linggaoone use ipmitools for use who choose ipmitool as the power driver19:24
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NobodyCamlinggao: we only need one to meet graduation requirments19:24
linggaoand the other pyghmi for user who choose to use ipminative for the ipminative.19:24
haomeng2got it19:24
NobodyCamhaomeng2: she can just up date the status on the bp as I know timming is tuff19:25
linggaoYes, the other one can be done later after the icehouse release.19:25
yuriyzIMO pyghmi is preferred, but not completed (no sensors, etc.)19:25
NobodyCamlots of high level bugs19:25
NobodyCamnot sure we have the time to go thru each one19:26
NobodyCamthou I beleieve we have every one here19:26
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linggaoyuriyz, yes. We'll plan to add sensor support when jbjonso comes back in Jan.19:26
NobodyCamis there anyone blocked on anything releated to the bugs?19:26
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lucasagomesyuriyz, +119:26
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NobodyCamplease if you are working on a critical or high level bug please update the status as best you can. we have several moving parts at this point are are workig towards release19:28
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NobodyCamIf you help unblocking anything please reach out for help19:29
NobodyCam*if you NEED help.....19:29
NobodyCamany question/ comments?19:29
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NobodyCamok moving on.19:30
NobodyCam#topic Integration and testing19:30
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NobodyCamromcheg1: you gave a quick update above .. anythig to add?19:31
romcheg1NobodyCam: Nope19:31
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NobodyCamjust quick update on the dib element other then the issue we found friday (and this morning) things are moving along well19:31
NobodyCamdkehn: can you give a up date on the neutrn intergration work?19:33
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dkehn wait for final, in the middle of some neutron bugs, next on the list to get to neutron interface19:33
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vkozhukalovLast week we were working on PoC functional testing scheme. We sent pull request please have a look. We are open for critisism. By the moment we've made a couple of fake tests and a set of shell scripts which allow to run testing on ubuntu machine. Some comments are available in the beginning of the ironic/irci/ file.19:34
NobodyCamdkehn: great.. just off the top of your head do you have a time frame for that(we wont hold you to it)19:34
dkehnNobodyCam: hmm, let me think about that19:35
NobodyCamvkozhukalov: ahh I missed the pull request... we'll take a look in a bit19:35
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lucasagomesvkozhukalov, added myself to the review list, I will take a look at it (probably tomorrow)19:35
vkozhukalovlucasagomes, thanks. will wait for feedback.19:36
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NobodyCamawesome... good to move on? any Questios / coments?19:36
NobodyCammoving on.19:37
NobodyCam#topic Python-IronicClient19:37
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NobodyCamWe need more tests around the client19:37
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lucasagomesNobodyCam, +1, specially on the shell part19:38
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1235431 in python-ironicclient "command-line shell lacks unit tests" [High,Triaged]19:38
NobodyCamquick update: seems this patch unknowingly broke some of the client.
NobodyCamthis was dissuced in channel this morning19:39
lucasagomesNobodyCam, actually it didn't19:39
lucasagomesthe ironic driver on nova was using the libraries wrong19:40
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NobodyCamahh :)19:40
NobodyCamany other comments on client?19:41
NobodyCamok moving on19:41
NobodyCam#topic Nova-driver19:41
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NobodyCamjust quickly19:42
NobodyCamwe will prob start to break up the nova driver so that we are not tring to land a multi k line patch all at once19:43
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NobodyCamany Q / c on the nova-driver19:43
matty_dubsMay I ask a really dumb question here? What does 'Nova-driver' refer to? The Ironic driver for Nova?19:43
NobodyCammatty_dubs: yep19:43
NobodyCamlucasagomes: quicker then I19:44
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lucasagomes:) I had it open19:44
haomeng2inclouding scheduler?19:44
matty_dubsNobodyCam: Thanks :)19:44
NobodyCamhaomeng2: we should not need to change scheduler19:45
haomeng2bm one. got19:45
NobodyCamgood to move on?19:46
NobodyCam#topic API discussion19:46
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NobodyCamlucasagomes: go19:46
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lucasagomesheh nothing much to say actually19:46
lucasagomesthere was two patches approved yesterday19:46
lucasagomesbut I had to rebase (and fix it)19:47
lucasagomesso need to be reviewed again19:47
NobodyCamlucasagomes: I'll take a look after meeting19:47
lucasagomesI also started drafting the blueprint to abort the deployment of the node19:48
lucasagomesI put some infos how the API would look like19:48
lucasagomesso I will add more stuff on that tomorrow as well19:48
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NobodyCamany other questions / comments on the api19:48
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NobodyCamok then for the final tan minutes:19:49
NobodyCam#topic Food for Thought / Open Discussion19:49
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NobodyCamopen floor!19:49
NobodyCamany comments / questions from anybody19:50
matty_dubsSo, I'm looking at and wonder if there's a good way to generate test data.19:50
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1260337 in ironic "API objects to generate sample data for the auto-documentation" [Wishlist,In progress]19:50
matty_dubsMaybe this just belongs in the main channel vs. this meeting though19:50
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matty_dubsBeing new, I just worry I'd generate test data that didn't represent a real deployment.19:51
* NobodyCam looks19:51
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haomeng2can we have bp to discover hardware server node?19:51
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NobodyCammatty_dubs: I would start by looking at the test fixtures19:51
matty_dubsRight now I'm just creating nodes and the like manually19:52
matty_dubsNobodyCam: Oh, good thinking.19:52
NobodyCamhaomeng2: do you have ideas on how to do that19:52
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haomeng2ping ipmi port and try to get mac19:52
haomeng2will try19:53
kushi_NobodyCam:  I'm kui, Is there some tips to speed up the setup of dev test for ironic ?   e.g. http_proxy,  and make use of pip-cache / deploy-kexec elements in dib19:53
NobodyCamhaomeng2: add comments to the bp yuriyz linked in19:53
haomeng2that is in-band19:53
NobodyCamkushi_: yes proxy helps a lot19:53
linggaohaomeng2, you can talk to Sun Jing on it.19:54
NobodyCamkushi_: see footnotes at the bottom of:19:54
haomeng2we need outofband maybe19:54
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NobodyCamany thing else on anyone mind19:55
kushi_NobodyCam: yes, I have set up one.19:56
linggaohaomeng2, np. we had discovered two kinds of hw discovery. One was discover through ramdisk. Otherer was autodiscovery and registration of beremetal nodes.19:56
haomeng2lianggao:ok.will diss with jing19:57
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NobodyCamwe may want/need to use both methods19:57
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linggaoNobodyCam +119:58
lucasagomesNobodyCam, +119:58
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asadoughi#startmeeting blueprint ovs-firewall-driver20:00
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asadoughieveryone around for the meeting?20:01
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asadoughisay hi if you're here for the blueprint ovs-firewall-driver meeting20:01
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JunPark_hi asadoughi, this is Jun.20:01
asadoughihi JunPark_20:01
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JunPark_I believe Mike Wilson is here as well.20:02
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kanthiHi Amir, Kanthi here20:03
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asadoughihi kanthi20:03
geekinutahhi all20:03
geekinutah<- Mike20:03
asadoughihi geekinutah20:03
asadoughithat's the agenda link for today20:04
asadoughi#link blueprint
asadoughi#topic Purpose of blueprint20:05
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asadoughiI wanted to restate the purpose of the blueprint so everyone's on the same page as far as the direction.20:05
asadoughiTo support the security groups extension in the OVS neutron agent through OVS flows using the existing OVS library with feature parity to the existing iptables-based implementations. In Icehouse, the existing openvswitch plugin is being deprecated, so the blueprint is compatible with the ML2 plugin with the openvswitch mechanism driver.20:05
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asadoughiany questions or comments on the purpose statement?20:06
geekinutahseems solid20:06
asadoughiok. on to the next topic...20:08
asadoughi#topic Design decisions20:08
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asadoughiok, so i wanted to talk about ovs and state. so this took up ~30 minutes of the ml2 meeting so i'll try to be more concise here20:08
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asadoughithat's a link to the etherpad of where my discussion will be surrounding20:09
asadoughiso, in ovs today, there are two best practices options of implementing security groups:20:10
asadoughi1. reflexive learning actions (available in OVS today)20:10
asadoughi2. stateless ACLs with tcp_flags= (in OVS master, but not in a tagged version of OVS AFAIK)20:10
asadoughi3. stateless ACLs (self explanatory)20:11
asadoughiso, the design decision i wanted to bring to the community was how do we want to implement security groups using 2 (almost 3 options)20:11
asadoughii say almost 3 because #2 is not available in a versioned OVS20:12
asadoughimy idea was to implement 3 followed by 2 once it is available in a versioned OVS20:12
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geekinutahis there anything that we can't implement for security groups with #3?20:13
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asadoughigeekinutah: great question. so the security groups API implementation is 'stateful' and now i will go through the examples in the etherpad20:13
asadoughiso given a server and a client, an instance and remote ip, there are 4 possible flows20:14
asadoughii have enumerated the 4 flows in the etherpad20:14
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asadoughithe 4 flows represent 2 connections20:14
asadoughi1. nw_src=$instance_ip, tp_src=random, nw_dst=$remote_ip, tp_dst=2220:15
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asadoughi2. nw_src=$remote_ip, tp_src=random, nw_dst=$instance_ip, tp_dst=2220:15
asadoughi3. nw_src=$instance_ip, tp_src=22, nw_dst=$remote_ip, tp_src=random20:15
asadoughi4. nw_src=$remote_ip, tp_src=22, nw_dst=$instance_ip, tp_dst=random20:15
asadoughi1. and 4. represent two halves of the same connections. 2 and 3. represent two halfs of the same (but different from 1 and 4) connection as well.20:16
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asadoughiany comments or questions about the 4 flows / 2 connections?20:17
JunPark_ok, they make sense.20:17
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asadoughiok, so now with these 4 flows in your collective heads, let's move to the neutron security groups api20:18
JunPark_basically, an ssh session to an instance and another ssh session to outside, right?20:18
asadoughiJunPark_: correct20:19
asadoughiin the etherpad i have the api shown as documented by client help output20:19
asadoughiyou can see that the api lacks a source port match (tp_src)20:19
asadoughigeekinutah: answering your question now hopefully...:20:20
geekinutahyup, makes sense20:20
asadoughiso, with the existing security groups api it is not possible to implement stateless ACL (#3) without adding a source port match20:20
asadoughiso, i have proposed two reviews adding a source port match to the api and client20:21
asadoughi#link neutron change
asadoughi#link neutronclient change
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asadoughiok, so are we on the same page for implementation choice #3 and what has to change in the api for it to happen?20:22
JunPark_a quick question.20:22
asadoughiJunPark_: shoot20:22
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JunPark_as an example of 1 & 4 that deals with outgoing ssh session...20:23
JunPark_port 22 can be easily guessed in 4, I believe.20:24
asadoughican you elaborated on "guessed"? are you referring to reflexive learning actions (implementation choice #1)?20:24
JunPark_sorry for the confusion. I don't know about "reflexive learning actions." Maybe I may not clearly understand about the issue here. But let me try explain it again.20:25
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asadoughiso, reflexive learning actions would mean OVS could learn the source port from the egress flow20:26
JunPark_when there is an outgoing ssh session that needs to be allowed, those two flows can be built via one single api that only says "allow outgoing port 22."20:26
JunPark_the two flows mean 1 & 4 in this example.20:27
JunPark_I'm trying to understand why we need to have "source port match" in api...20:27
asadoughioh, i see. good point. so, the specific security group rule that makes the source port match necessary is: in default security groups, you allow all egress; you wouldn't want to automatically allow all ingress in that case.20:28
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asadoughiare you familiar with default security groups? default security groups are defined as: (1) allow all egress (2) allow all ingress from other instances in the default security group.20:29
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JunPark_nope...I just got to know such details here. ^^20:30
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JunPark_anyway, I think I got you now.20:31
asadoughiok. so with choice #3, you will need to add a third rule to say allow all ingress from source port 22. and with choice #2, you will be able to say allow all ingress with tcp_flags=ack (no third security group rule necessary)20:31
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asadoughiso, my preferred implementation path is choice #3 stateless ACL followed by #2 stateless ACL with tcp_flags.20:32
JunPark_that sounds ok.20:32
asadoughii prefer not to implement #1 reflexive learning actions because they are not as perfomant: as i talked to another engineer, "cuts into how many things a megaflow can wildcard, the less that can be wildcarded, the more ovs will have to hit userspace for flows"20:32
hemanthraviasadoughi: sorry joined late, are these choices in the etherpad?20:33
asadoughihemanthravi: sorry. i do not have them there, but i'll add now.20:33
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asadoughihemanthravi: added20:34
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asadoughiok, it sounds like i need to summarize what we discussed here and take it to the ML given lower attendance than i was hoping for20:35
asadoughi#action asadoughi to take implementation choice / design discussion to openstack-dev mailing list20:35
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asadoughidoes anyone have any input to the implementation choices other than what was discussed so far?20:36
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geekinutahso far so good I think20:37
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geekinutahI will need to learn more about #2, but I agree with you on #120:37
JunPark_another quick question.20:38
asadoughiJunPark_: shoot20:38
geekinutahand it does seem like a raw stateless implementation is not out of place20:38
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JunPark_so this firewall or security group related DB is already implemented in icehouse for persistent data?20:38
JunPark_sorry for ignorance about the current state of icehouse regarding this topic.20:39
asadoughiJunPark_: security groups has been in neutron for a while, yes. with a database and rpc api20:39
JunPark_cool. thanks!20:39
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asadoughiok, i am going to move on to the next topic20:40
asadoughi#topic ovs_neutron_agent nuances/issues/tasks20:41
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asadoughi1. so, in neutron, the ovs_neutron_agent (the agent that applies flows) provisions VLANs for vifs after the firewall is invoked, which is troublesome since the security groups flows have to apply the vlan that the agent applied so i'll have a patch to rearrange the vlan allocation before the firewall is invoked later this week20:43
asadoughiany questions/ comments about #1?20:43
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asadoughi2. ovs_neutron_agent removes all flows on all bridges at initialization, which might be a terrible thing depending on how reliable the agent is for tenant traffic -- i'm not sure exactly what i want to do about that20:45
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asadoughiany questions/comments about #2? ..any solutions? :)20:45
geekinutahasadoughi: it is disruptive20:45
geekinutahJunPark_ actually wrote a "soft" restart for the agent20:46
JunPark_"at initialization" means "agent restart"?20:46
asadoughiJunPark_: correct20:46
geekinutahhowever, this is not a problem directly related to the firewall I think20:46
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geekinutahas long as flows come up with the default deny or accept depending on policy20:46
asadoughigeekinutah: also true, but a concern nonetheless20:47
geekinutahbut yeah, it needs fixing :-)20:47
asadoughi3. ovs_neutron_agent removes all flows on the vifs port at initialization20:47
yamahataHow many flows do you expect? Is remove all flows and reinstall all flows  unacceptable?20:47
asadoughiyamahata: removing and reinstalling is not acceptable if its killing all of the tenants traffic, pending on agent uptime reliability20:47
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asadoughiregarding #3, it deletes all flows based on in_port, you cannot delete flows based on cookie until OVS 1.5.0+ which might be troublesome for some users b/c XenStack 6.2 is on 1.4.6 and Ubunut P*/Q* is on 1.4.6 as well20:49
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yamahataI see. then what is wanted is to retrieve the existing flow and fix them up according to the configuration.20:49
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JunPark_In our env where, e.g., a host runs 100 VMs, when we restart neutron agent, if agent wipes out all flows, it takes 5 to 10 minutes to complete all flows deployment, which is terrible to us.20:49
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asadoughiJunPark_: yes, that sounds terrible20:49
JunPark_that's why I implemented our own "soft restart"20:50
JunPark_i'm not sure the patch that I shared with you before includes that patch of "soft restart" though.20:50
asadoughiok. so #2 sounds like maybe another blueprint to file20:51
asadoughiJunPark_: interested in filing that?20:51
kanthiAmir, one question which may be bit out of context at this point of discussion, how do you plan the between VM traffic filtering20:51
asadoughi#action JunPark_ to file blueprint around soft restart20:51
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kanthiCurrent security rules use iptables, where all these rules are applied in forward chain and these will not be hit if both VMs are on same compute host in which case they just use L2Network for communication20:52
asadoughikanthi: i don't have that in my prototype at the moment, but i have solutions to base my future work off of ( JunPark_ as well as my co-workers')20:53
JunPark_kanthi: do you mean "vm-to-vm traffic"?20:53
asadoughi#topic impromptu vm-to-vm traffic20:53
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kanthisince we would be doing filtering based on ovs ports, these rules might be applied for vm-vm traffic on same host as well20:53
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JunPark_my patch includes vm-to-vm traffic flows implementation.20:54
JunPark_assuming that by default it's allowed because we assume that the flat provider networks is a public vlan.20:54
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asadoughikanthi: so something TBD .. i'd like the underlying issues to be discussed and resolved first before we get to that level20:54
JunPark_well, i'm not sure which behavior would be the legit default behavior though.20:55
geekinutahasadoughi: agreed, let's get the basics in place and then deal with that20:55
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kanthiok, then please procces according to the agenda20:55
asadoughi#topic ovs_agent: versioning20:55
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asadoughiso does anyone have issue with requriing ovs 1.5.0+ in the agent? because of the cookie delete issue20:56
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geekinutahasadoughi: do you know what the latest LTS has built in?20:57
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asadoughigeekinutah: not handy. can look it up20:57
sc68cal12.04 packages like 0.4.020:57
sc68calthe cloud archive has like 1.10 I think?20:57
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asadoughiso anything R and above, would be complicit20:57
geekinutahone consideration is asking distributions to maintain a kmod, not sure if that's a big deal20:58
asadoughiwe're running short on time so i'll skip the prototype discussion20:58
geekinutahother than that requiring 1.5.0+ seems reasonable20:58
asadoughi#topic open ended20:58
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asadoughianything before we end?20:59
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Swaminathanhi all21:01
sthakkarhi guys21:01
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SumitNaiksatamHi AllQ21:02
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markmcclainarosen, emagana, garyk, marun, amotoki, nati_ueno: ping21:02
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markmcclain#startmeeting Networking21:02
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markmcclain#topic Announcements21:03
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markmcclainLast week was an interesting week for the OpenStack gate21:03
marun'may you live in interesting times'21:04
markmcclainWe merged a small change that had exacerbated an existing race condition21:04
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enikanorovyou mean moving rpc to the end of __init__?21:04
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markmcclainyes.. that revert21:04
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markmcclainthat patch will be a good one to dive into because it could better reveal the root cause of the race we've been battlting21:05
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markmcclainthe other takeaway from the experience21:05
markmcclainIs that we need to trust the gate when it fails21:06
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markmcclainand investigate the logs and cause before issuing rechecks or reverificiations21:06
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markmcclainif you have a patch that fails don't be surprised if a member of the core team asks for a reason why the proposed patch was unrelated to any failures that required a recheck or reverify21:07
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markmcclainalso if your patch requires multiple rechecks just to get a +1 from testing infrastructure21:08
markmcclainexpect to get questions during the review21:08
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markmcclainIcehouse-2 is rapidly approaching21:10
markmcclainalong with that 3rd party testing21:10
markmcclainmestery led a meeting last week to share info21:10
mesteryYes: The hope is to get past likely hurdles together rather than individually.21:11
mesteryAnd share information on that.21:11
mesteryWe have another one this week.21:11
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markmcclainDec 19th at 1700UTC?21:11
mestery2200 UTC Thursday on #openstack-meeting-alt21:11
markmcclain#info 3rd Party Testing Dec 19th at 2200 UTC in -alt21:12
markmcclainLastly the end of the year holidays are approaching, so many take time out off21:12
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markmcclainI'm thinking we'll meet December 23rd and then skip December 30th21:13
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markmcclainAny other objections?21:14
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markmcclain#info No Neutron team meeting December 30th21:15
markmcclainOk let's move onto bugs21:15
markmcclain#topic Bugs21:15
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* notmyname can answer question about that graph21:16
anteayanotmyname: awesome graph21:16
markmcclainnotmyname: definitely helps to visualize what is happening21:17
salv-orlandoit reminds me a keith haring's painting21:17
markmcclainanteaya: want to highlight any of the bugs you have listed?21:18
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anteayamarun has a patch in review:
notmynamethis bold red line is the chance that a new patch, 100% correct itself, has of passing the 6 gate jobs tracked. and for a gate queue that is 30 deep, that means that it is that percentage (eg 62% right now) is raised to the depth: .62**38 == 1.290875032e-06% chance of all passes clearing the gate right now, even if they are all perfect21:19
anteayafor bug
salv-orlandonotmyname: how's the patch pass chance calculated? [can answer in open discussion time to avoid collisions]21:19
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1192381 in neutron "dhcp dnsmasq lost port in host config file" [Critical,In progress]21:19
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salv-orlandonotmyname: thanks for your answer21:19
anteayawould be great if we could cross that off the list today, marun can you address comments and submit a new patchset?21:19
marunanteaya: can do21:19
anteayanati_ueno: what is the obstacle on, this has been in existance for 1 year?21:20
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1112912 in neutron "get_firewall_required should use VIF parameter from neutron" [Critical,In progress]21:20
anteayamarun, thanks21:20
notmynamesalv-orlando: patch pass chance is the multiplication of the pass chance for each of the 6 jobs (they are independent variables for that calc)21:20
markmcclainnotmyname: ouch .62**38 hurts21:20
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nati_uenoanteaya: That's one is still active21:20
anteayanati_ueno: yes, what more to do you need to bring it to closed?21:20
notmynamemarkmcclain: ya. exponents mean that even a 5% drop _dramatically_ reduces the chance that patches actually land21:20
nati_uenoanteaya: get reviewed
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notmynamemarkmcclain: eg a 95% chance means that a 10-deep queue has less than 60% chance to clear21:21
anteayanati_ueno: okay, let's work on getting Jenkins happy with the patch and then getting reviews on ti21:22
nati_uenoanteaya: sure21:22
anteayamarkmcclain: this is the ssh bug:
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1253896 in neutron "Attempts to verify guests are running via SSH fails. SSH connection to guest does not work." [Critical,In progress]21:22
anteayayou are the champion on it right now, more to say on it?21:22
markmcclainnot too much other than it went a bad to really bad and now back to bad again21:23
anteayanati_ueno: also can you update the report for the bug with that patch url? I couldn't see it when I read the report, I may have missed it21:23
markmcclainthere are others who have been digging on it too and most things are wired properly21:23
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anteayamarkmcclain: are you willing to drive some discussions about it this week to see what can be done to make it even less bad that it is now?21:24
nati_uenoanteaya: Thanks. I'll add the url21:24
anteayanati_ueno: thank you21:24
amotokihi, sorry for late21:24
markmcclainanteaya: yes I won't be on any airplanes this week :)21:24
anteayamarkmcclain: great, thanks21:24
anteayawant to give yourself an action item?21:24
markmcclain#action markmcclain to drive 1253896 work21:25
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anteayanext confirmed bug21:25
anteayathis one needs a champion:
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1210483 in neutron "ServerAddressesTestXML.test_list_server_addresses FAIL" [Critical,Confirmed]21:25
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: I will hand over to you all my knowledge on bug 1253896 so far then21:25
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1253896 in neutron "Attempts to verify guests are running via SSH fails. SSH connection to guest does not work." [Critical,In progress]
anteayaplease volunteer before I track someone down21:25
markmcclainsalv-orlando: sounds good I figure many of us can collaborate on it21:26
anteayamarkmcclain: you again with
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1230407 in neutron "VMs can't progress through state changes because Neutron is deadlocking on it's database queries, and thus leaving networks in inconsistent states" [Critical,Confirmed]21:26
anteayaany thoughts on it currently?21:26
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anteayaarmax: is this bug still open?
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1243726 in neutron "tempest failure: No more IP addresses available on network" [Critical,Confirmed]21:27
markmcclainIt's been somewhat infrequent21:27
anteayayou have two patches merged against, is it still an issue?21:27
salv-orlandoThere have been only 9 occurrence of 1230407 in a lot of time. And all while the gate was brokeb21:27
armaxit does not look like a burning issue21:27
salv-orlandobroken. Note that 153896 can manifest also as 123040721:27
salv-orlandosorry I mean 125389621:28
markmcclainsince it still occurs that's why I have not closed it21:28
anteayawell sdague has asked that once critical bugs remain in that status unless they are completely gone21:28
salv-orlandoMy understanding is that the bug has been isolated and markmcclain has the definitive for it, which is splitting API/RPC servers21:28
armaxhowever there are related bugs open against this one21:28
anteayasalv-orlando: that was the last update I posted to that bug yes21:28
mlavalleanteaya: I can take a stab at 1210483. If I need help, I'll yell21:29
anteayaarmax: are you able to update the bug report to reflect that?21:29
anteayamlavalle: awesome thank you21:29
marunsalv-orlando: doesn't having wsgi out of process get us halfway there?21:29
armaxof course I am, you're asking me if I will?21:29
anteayaarmax: okay, will you?21:29
markmcclainmarun: yes21:29
* salv-orlando chops armax's finger21:29
anteayathank you21:29
anteayathis is mine
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1250168 in neutron "gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-large-ops is failing" [Critical,Confirmed]21:30
anteayabut I need someone to take over, I simply offered a revert for it21:30
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anteayacan someone else take this and make it disappear?21:30
anteayaas in no longer occuring21:30
arosensure i can take a look at it.21:31
salv-orlandoarosen is our nova/neutron guy. This bug pertains to nova/neutron interface21:31
markmcclainarosen: thanks21:31
anteayaarosen: thanks21:31
anteayasorry for taking so long21:31
anteaya needs a volunteer21:31
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1251784 in tripleo "nova+neutron scheduling error: Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Critical,Fix released]21:31
anteayaand to be triaged21:31
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markmcclainthis is in the neutron/nova interface21:32
anteayaanyone in addition to arosen available to help?21:32
markmcclainnot showing any occurrences of this in the last 7 days21:32
anteayait is still critical is it not?21:33
arosenmarkmcclain:  it looks like that one is a timeout in neutron21:33
markmcclainthe notes in the bug say no hits since Nov 28th21:33
markmcclainI think it might be safe to close this one21:33
anteayalast two that need volunteers:
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1210483 in neutron "ServerAddressesTestXML.test_list_server_addresses FAIL" [Critical,Confirmed]21:34
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1254890 in tempest ""Timed out waiting for thing" causes tempest-dsvm-neutron-* failures" [Low,In progress]21:34
enikanorovi've taken 121048321:34
anteayaenikanorov: thank you21:34
anteayalet me know how your progress goes21:34
markmcclainok I also thought mlavalle said he was working on it too21:34
anteayamarkmcclain: you are correct, sorry21:35
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anteayaenikanorov: how do you feel about looking at 1254890?21:35
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enikanorovok, I'll take a look21:36
anteayathank you21:36
markmcclainanteaya: thanks for reviewing the bugs21:36
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markmcclainAll any other bugs the team should be tracking?21:37
salv-orlandofor 1254890  the log stash query refers to large_ops only. I've seen the same error in other places too.21:37
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: good to know21:37
salv-orlandoIf you remove indeed large_ops from the query you'll find more occurences.21:37
markmcclain#topic Nova Parity21:38
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markmcclainbeagles: hi21:38
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beaglesso, we didn't have much movement on parity specific stuff last week unfortunately21:39
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markmcclainok.. what resources do you need to help move things along?21:39
beaglesI think it would be useful to align the efforts for starters.. obviously there are lots of people doing stuff that is related21:40
beaglesthe gate... the additional tests, etc21:40
beaglesif we can carve out some time this week to sync that would be good21:41
anteayabeagles: who do you need to sync with?21:41
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markmcclainI'm guessing at least me + mlavalle?21:41
salv-orlandoI can help from the testing side21:41
anteayaactually I see mlavalle's great etherpad and wiki pages but haven't seen many tests yet21:41
salv-orlandobut mlavalle holds everything21:41
markmcclainoops and salv-orlando21:41
beaglesmlavalle, rossella_s, markmcclain, if arosen could join that would be great21:41
markmcclain#action markmcclain to sechedule a time for syncing this week21:42
salv-orlandoI have just bits of knowledge about status of testing and a few parity features I've been involved with21:42
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mlavallebeagles: just propose a time and I'll make myself available21:42
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beaglesthat'd be great.. can we do it tomorrow a.m. EST?21:43
markmcclainwe'll chat in the -neutron channel so it's logged and everyone can participate since it will be an on going discussion once we kick it off21:43
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beaglessomething like 10:00 am EST.. (what is that UTC?)21:43
mestery1500 UTC21:43
mlavallemlavalle: yes, that is 17:00 UTC21:43
mlavallesorry, 15:00 UTC21:43
salv-orlandofolks UTC = EST +521:44
arosenbeagles:  that's a little early for me. I'm on the west coast. Could we push for 11:00 EST instead?21:44
beaglesarosen: sure21:44
mlavalleso 16:00 UTC21:44
arosenthanks :)21:44
rossella_sok for me21:44
markmcclain#info parity+testing 1600UTC in openstack-neutron21:44
mlavallefine with me21:45
markmcclain#topic Tempest21:45
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markmcclainmlavalle: anyything add that's not on the agenda?21:45
mlavallefirst of all, continued gap analysis for API tests. Added List available extensions, provider extended attributes for networks, binding extended attributes for ports, external network extension, configurable external gateway modes extension, quotas, security groups and rules, agent management extension, extraroute extension to the etherpad21:46
mlavalleseveral people have already assigned themselves work from there21:46
salv-orlandoin % how many of these tasks have assignees?21:46
enikanorovmlavalle: whos doing the work on tempest side?21:46
markmcclaincool… thanks for adding them21:46
mlavalleand enikanorov has volunteered to refactor the rest client for neutron21:47
enikanorovyeah, asking because i want to make it less of copy-paste work21:47
mlavallei'll finish the gap analysis this week, covering the whole api and all the extensions21:47
mlavallefor the sake of time i'll stop here21:47
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mlavalleenikanorov: i'm also the tempest side21:48
salv-orlandotempest parallel tests: just a quick update that I'm starting to push all the relevant patches upstream21:48
anteayaenikanorov: I've seen your patch, nice work so far21:48
salv-orlandoin my internal server I have a 80% success rate on parallel job21:48
salv-orlandowhich is not worse than other gate jobs apparently21:48
anteayasalv-orlando: great progress on your parallel blueprint21:49
markmcclainsalv-orlando: cool21:49
markmcclainhopefully we'll be able to close that last 20%21:49
salv-orlandoonly issue I am tracking and can't explain so far is that at some point some VM do not sent DHCPDISCOVER even if they're perfectly wired21:49
salv-orlandothis happens also on the upstream gate (just happened on one of my patches), and therefore I will file a bug soon21:49
salv-orlandoOr perhaps is a bug that haunts just me?21:50
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markmcclainok we're running short on time again21:50
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mlavallesalv-orlando: when you file the bug, please let me know and I will try to reproduce in my dev system21:51
salv-orlandomalavalle: sure21:51
mlavalleso we can compare notes21:51
markmcclain#topic IPv621:51
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markmcclainThere's a mailing list thread on hairpinning per vif21:52
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markmcclainplease chime in on that thread if you have thoughts on it21:52
markmcclain#topic ML221:52
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rkukuranothing critical to discuss today21:52
mesteryThe only item I have is that we will be canceling the meetings on 12-25 and 1-1.21:53
markmcclainSeems that there is discussion still to be had on providernet vs multi-provider?21:53
mesteryWill send email with a note to openstack-dev.21:53
markmcclainmestery: thanks for the heads u21:53
markmcclain#topic Open Discussion21:53
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geekinutahsalv-orlando, enikanorov
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1214115 in neutron "ipavailabilityranges race condition when allocating from same range on multiple neutron-servers" [High,In progress]21:54
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geekinutahwhat are next steps on this bug? I'm happy to do leg work21:54
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geekinutahnot sure if the original patch submitter is still active, but also happy to pick that up and massage it if needed21:55
markmcclaingeekinutah: contact the current bug assignee21:55
enikanorovit's interesting if carl baldwin's patch could address this issue21:55
salv-orlandogeekinutah: I thought I have already removed my -2 there.21:55
geekinutahhmmm, still shows -221:55
geekinutahahh, okay thx21:55
markmcclainthe patchset is abandoned21:55
markmcclainso the state cannot change until the review is active again21:56
salv-orlandoI am happy to reconsider. You might understand that if we suspect a risk of introducing an issue worse that the bugs being fixed we act a big conservative in the 3rd milestone21:56
carl_baldwinenikanorov: My impression was that my patch probably would not address that bug.21:56
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: correct21:56
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markmcclaingeekinutah: reach out and see if the original person is still interested in the work if not offer to take it on21:57
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geekinutahI will do that, also I'll look at carl_baldwin's patch21:57
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markmcclainif you have any questions feel free to ask in the IRC channel or mailing list21:57
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markmcclainAny other open discussion items?21:57
anteayaPlease consider me offline from Jan 1. until code sprint in Montreal21:57
enikanorovyeah, it seems that retries are needed21:57
enikanorovI also remember we did something similar for generating tunnel ids21:58
anteayaany detail questions about the code sprint, ensure you have the answers you need prior to Holiday Break21:58
markmcclainanteaya: thanks for the heads up21:58
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dkehnanybody experience issue with devstack on a local system, beyond migration issues , like the sudo /usr/local/bin/neutron-rootwrap21:59
dkehn12-16 14:55[ dkehn]:           /etc/neutron/rootwrap.conf ip netns exec qprobe-83b5c2ea-ca44-4b1\21:59
dkehn12-16 14:55[ dkehn]: 12-16 14:55[ dkehn]: c-a7d6-46235386b287 ping -w 1 -c 1; failures21:59
dkehnpinging namespaces21:59
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sc68caldkehn: +122:00
markmcclainI have not22:00
marundkehn: is that the debug agent?22:01
markmcclainWe're at time for this week22:01
markmcclainOk remember tomorrow at 1600UTC in #openstack-neutron we'll kick off the discussion on Nova Parity and Testing overlapping22:01
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dkehnand just like its over22:01
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markmcclainmarun and dkehn might want to move the discussion to #openstack-neutron22:01
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marundkehn: #openstack-neutron?22:04
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Swaminathan#startmeeting Distributed-virtual-router22:07
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router'22:07
Swaminathan#info General22:07
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SwaminathanThe current meeting slot timing 22.00 UTC that we have is not comfortable with our sub-team members who are residing in the different time zones.22:08
SwaminathanSo I will be cancelling meetings in this channel for time slot temporarily.22:09
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SwaminathanI will let people know when I will be resuming in this channel for this time slot.22:09
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SwaminathanMeanwhile the meeting will continue on Wednesdays 15.00UTC in the #openstack-meeting-alt channel.22:10
Swaminathan#topic DVR-North-South Design22:10
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SwaminathanI have updated the Google doc with more information on the data model, L3 extension details, API and CLI.22:11
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SwaminathanPlease review it and provide me your feedback.22:11
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Swaminathan#topic Services22:11
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SwaminathanI had a discussion with Sumit and Nachi regarding the services. But we could not come to any conclusion on how we can address all services in distributed and centralized mode.22:12
SwaminathanSo in order to address this issue I have also updated the Google doc with a picture that shows the mixed mode with centralized and distributed routers with services centralized and distributed.22:13
SwaminathanRight now it is tied together with an external VM running on Network Node, but somehow we need to eliminate it and move it to the namespace router.22:13
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SwaminathanSo I will see all our sub-team members on Wednesday 15.00UTC in the #openstack-meeting-alt channel.22:17
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