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| enikanorov | hi | 13:57 |
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| enikanorov | neutron lbaas meeting in 4 minutes | 13:57 |
| Vijay_ | Hi enikanorov | 13:57 |
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| enikanorov | hi Vijay_ | 13:57 |
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| russellb | enikanorov: hm really? is that listed on the meetings wiki page? | 14:00 |
| russellb | sure is ... oops | 14:00 |
| enikanorov | russellb: it should be | 14:00 |
| russellb | yep sorry | 14:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oops, we can get off -alt in a sec | 14:00 |
| enikanorov | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 9 14:01:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is enikanorov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:01 |
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| russellb | nova will meet over in #openstack-meeting-alt | 14:01 |
| enikanorov | hi, whos online for lbaas meeting except Vijay_? | 14:01 |
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| s3wong | enikanorov: Hello | 14:01 |
| enikanorov | s3wong: hi | 14:01 |
| * pcm_ lurking :) | 14:02 | |
| sbalukoff | I'm lurking as well. | 14:02 |
| enikanorov | pcm_: hi! | 14:02 |
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| pcm_ | enikanorov: Hi | 14:02 |
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| enikanorov | ok, the new year and cristmass holidays are over for most of us | 14:03 |
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| enikanorov | lets go over the list of action items we have for lbaas | 14:03 |
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| enikanorov | #topic 3rd party testing | 14:03 |
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| enikanorov | it seems that a number of vendors has set up their environment and their systems are already voting in jenkins | 14:04 |
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| enikanorov | at this moment we only need one from radware | 14:04 |
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| enikanorov | but it looks like their folks are absent today | 14:05 |
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| enikanorov | Vijay_: did you have some specific questions on the matter? | 14:05 |
| Vijay_ | enikanorov: Netscaler driver is blocked for dependency on external testing... | 14:05 |
| Vijay_ | It is up and running today | 14:05 |
| enikanorov | how is it blocked? | 14:05 |
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| Vijay_ | Mark has blocked...it | 14:05 |
| Vijay_ | saying waiting for external testing | 14:06 |
| Vijay_ | what is the expectation of external testing... | 14:06 |
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| Vijay_ | today it tests LBaaS API tests | 14:06 |
| enikanorov | yes, so he meant that you (citrix) need to setup such testing system that will vote | 14:06 |
| enikanorov | lbaas scenario test is still on review, but is close to merging | 14:06 |
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| Vijay_ | can physical appliances be tested using lbaas scenario tests? | 14:07 |
| enikanorov | i hope you are not waiting for that moment and are working in parallel to setup testing environment | 14:07 |
| enikanorov | Vijay_: that's the point | 14:07 |
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| enikanorov | Vijay_: scenario test is just a script that perform operations that a regular user would do | 14:07 |
| Vijay_ | We run tempest LBaaS API tests and some internal tests similar to scenario tests | 14:08 |
| enikanorov | and it is backedn-agnostic | 14:08 |
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| enikanorov | so the only thing your system needs to do is to setup neutron-server to use your provider (netscaler) as the default one | 14:08 |
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| Vijay_ | will it work for physical appliances or VLAn based isolation environments? | 14:09 |
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| Vijay_ | where namespaces are present? | 14:09 |
| enikanorov | why the question? | 14:09 |
| Vijay_ | because tempest scenario tests are failing in our setup | 14:09 |
| Vijay_ | it is not able to access the servers | 14:10 |
| Vijay_ | or nova vms | 14:10 |
| enikanorov | you should investigate that. that could be a misconfiguration of your environment | 14:10 |
| enikanorov | but tempest doesn't make assumptions on backend network implementation | 14:11 |
| enikanorov | however, devstack does some assumptions | 14:11 |
| enikanorov | so you need to see, if your appliance can work with what devstack configures | 14:11 |
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| Vijay_ | we have configured devstack to use with ML2 + VLAN | 14:12 |
| enikanorov | i think we can discuss it specifically | 14:12 |
| enikanorov | ok | 14:12 |
| Vijay_ | and device is able to access the VLANs | 14:12 |
| enikanorov | ok | 14:12 |
| Vijay_ | and the servers | 14:12 |
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| Vijay_ | but tempest is the one which is not able to access the Server | 14:12 |
| Vijay_ | server == nova vms | 14:12 |
| enikanorov | i see | 14:12 |
| enikanorov | so if you look at stack.sh | 14:13 |
| Vijay_ | so where should the tempest run? | 14:13 |
| Vijay_ | in the controller node? | 14:13 |
| enikanorov | it doesn't matter, actually. | 14:13 |
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| enikanorov | tempest should be able to access api servers. access to vms should be provided by the devstack | 14:13 |
| enikanorov | it is done for default devstack configuration | 14:13 |
| enikanorov | by adding the route to the tenant network, created by devstack | 14:14 |
| enikanorov | that is not your case, so you need to provide connectivity to vms yourself | 14:14 |
| Vijay_ | Let me just do one more round of investigation to see if tempest can be run outside of devstack | 14:14 |
| enikanorov | check tempest.conf, i think it has some setting about tenant network availability | 14:15 |
| enikanorov | so the thing is, tenant network is not directly reachable from controller by default | 14:15 |
| enikanorov | you need to provide connectivity based on your network implementation | 14:16 |
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| Vijay_ | hmm....let me check | 14:16 |
| Vijay_ | who will be right contact person | 14:16 |
| Vijay_ | to get in touch with for such queries? | 14:16 |
| enikanorov | you can contact me, or ping on irc | 14:17 |
| Vijay_ | Ok. Done. Thanks! | 14:17 |
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| Vijay_ | So, just to conclude, the expectation from 3rd party testing is to run both API testing and scenario testing? | 14:18 |
| Vijay_ | ? == . | 14:18 |
| enikanorov | well, i'd say, both | 14:19 |
| Vijay_ | Yes, Both. | 14:19 |
| enikanorov | both test suites can catch issues | 14:19 |
| enikanorov | the question could also be - what kind of patches you need to test | 14:20 |
| enikanorov | i mean you probably have a system that analyses patches | 14:20 |
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| enikanorov | and decides if it needs to run tests against the patch | 14:20 |
| Vijay_ | Yes, if the patches are related to tempest tests, lbaas or the driver, then the tests are run. | 14:21 |
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| enikanorov | ok | 14:21 |
| Vijay_ | it patches the code in devstack, runs stack.sh, configures netscaler driver and then restarts neutron | 14:22 |
| Vijay_ | runs api tests, collects logs from all systems - devstack, netscaler etc.. | 14:22 |
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| enikanorov | good. looking forward to see the results | 14:22 |
| Vijay_ | and then uploads to a publicly accessbly url | 14:22 |
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| Vijay_ | it is already up... | 14:23 |
| Vijay_ | but today it tests only netscaler submissions | 14:23 |
| enikanorov | has it posted anything on gerrit? | 14:23 |
| enikanorov | i see :) | 14:23 |
| Vijay_ | yes | 14:23 |
| Vijay_ | once netscaler is submitted | 14:23 |
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| Vijay_ | it will start testing the tempest and lbaas core changes as well | 14:23 |
| enikanorov | so if i submit something with serivces/loadbalancer/drivers/netscaler i will get a vote from your system? | 14:24 |
| Vijay_ | sure, | 14:24 |
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| enikanorov | cool! | 14:24 |
| Vijay_ | i have several times now :-) | 14:24 |
| enikanorov | ok. lets move on | 14:25 |
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| enikanorov | we don't have usual set of devs here today | 14:25 |
| enikanorov | so i'll skip status updates and will publish them in follow up email | 14:25 |
| enikanorov | one interesting thing going on in neutron is this: | 14:26 |
| enikanorov | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iXMAyVMf42FTahExmGdYNGOBFyeA4e74sAO3pvr_RjA/edit | 14:26 |
| enikanorov | !link | 14:26 |
| openstack | enikanorov: Error: "link" is not a valid command. | 14:26 |
| enikanorov | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iXMAyVMf42FTahExmGdYNGOBFyeA4e74sAO3pvr_RjA/edit | 14:26 |
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| Vijay_ | we have to discuss on the pool member status collection as well. | 14:26 |
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| enikanorov | i have not yet time to deeply study it, but it is something worth looking at, especially for those who work on routed solutions | 14:27 |
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| s3wong | enikanorov: it is interesting, and really even in haproxy driver we should refrain from hardcoding association with L3 agent | 14:28 |
| s3wong | ML2 plugin, for example, fetches "l3service' from .ini file; perhaps if haproxy wants to have routed service support, we should use a similar model? | 14:29 |
| enikanorov | i think we could have a separate discussion on this. but thinking of haproxy, i don't think it is much affected | 14:29 |
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| enikanorov | at least with it's current model. | 14:30 |
| enikanorov | currently we don't have plans to add routed support for haproxy provider | 14:30 |
| enikanorov | but it is something we can consider later | 14:30 |
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| enikanorov | at least for now users seem to use haproxy with floating ips | 14:31 |
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| enikanorov | Vijay_: regarding statistics | 14:32 |
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| enikanorov | I'd suggest doing the following: you create a mechanism in your driver. if you manage to make it generic enough, we could then use it in other drivers | 14:33 |
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| Vijay_ | it necessaites creating separate threads. Is there any recommendation | 14:33 |
| enikanorov | it's not that i'm against the feature, but we have a long list of them, so if someone wants something, you know, you need to go for it and implement it :) | 14:33 |
| enikanorov | well, yes, existing implementations use separate thread in either way | 14:34 |
| Vijay_ | Running in controller? | 14:35 |
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| Vijay_ | because threads initiated in driver will run in controller | 14:35 |
| enikanorov | it doesn't matter, IMO. you wait on queue from the agent, or you wait on network IO | 14:35 |
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| Vijay_ | netscaler driver does not have an agent | 14:36 |
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| enikanorov | so I see it as some async process updating db, that's it | 14:36 |
| enikanorov | so your driver need to start the thread that will gather the stats | 14:36 |
| enikanorov | the question you need to resolve is how to do it in such way that you can process many devices with one thread | 14:37 |
| enikanorov | so if one becomes slow or unresponsive that doesn't block others | 14:37 |
| Vijay_ | for agent less cases, especially for netscaler/radware, the collection is usually from another piece of software not a device/appliance. | 14:38 |
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| Vijay_ | all collection goes to he intermediate software | 14:39 |
| Vijay_ | *the | 14:39 |
| enikanorov | i'm not sure i understood the question | 14:39 |
| Vijay_ | I am just saying that all devices stats are queried from the same system. so if it is slow for collection of one device, then it will slow down for others as well | 14:40 |
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| Vijay_ | i am just worried, that introducing such logic in netscaler driver will unnecessarily delay the committing of the driver. | 14:41 |
| enikanorov | no, the key point that one device should not slow down collection from others | 14:41 |
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| enikanorov | the task itself is not very complex | 14:42 |
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| enikanorov | anyway, i think it's not a requirement to have all the features at once to commit the driver | 14:43 |
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| Vijay_ | ok | 14:43 |
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| enikanorov | but i think it is not very difficult to implement such stats collection. | 14:43 |
| Vijay_ | ok | 14:43 |
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| Vijay_ | ok. we can move on i guess. Did any get to review ssl or L7 rules. | 14:44 |
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| enikanorov | I think ssl is in a good shape, as far as i remember | 14:45 |
| enikanorov | but as you know, the core team focus is on gate-blockers and parallel testing | 14:45 |
| enikanorov | hopefully after the tempest code sprint thing could change in favor of advanced services :) | 14:46 |
| enikanorov | *things | 14:46 |
| Vijay_ | ok. | 14:46 |
| enikanorov | ok, one more item is about services.conf file | 14:47 |
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| enikanorov | which has been introduced to collect vendor-specific options for advanced drivers | 14:47 |
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| enikanorov | lately there was a discussion on the matter and Sean Dague has objections on having another conf file that needs to be passed to neutron-server on startup | 14:48 |
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| enikanorov | so depending on discussion outcome we may need to move to another model where each provider will have it's own conf file and neutron.conf will just reference it. | 14:49 |
| enikanorov | but that is just to inform you. | 14:49 |
| Vijay_ | ok | 14:49 |
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| enikanorov | ok, i think we can end the meeting then | 14:50 |
| enikanorov | thanks for joining, Vijay_ s3wong | 14:51 |
| Vijay_ | Ok. Bye then. | 14:51 |
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| enikanorov | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 9 14:51:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-01-09-14.01.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-01-09-14.01.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-01-09-14.01.log.html | 14:51 |
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| s3wong | Thanks! | 14:52 |
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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 9 15:01:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:01 |
| thomasem | o/ | 15:01 |
| terriyu | o/ | 15:01 |
| herndon_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:01 |
| nprivalova | o/ | 15:01 |
| DanD | o/ | 15:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
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| lsmola_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| ildikov | Happy New Year! :) | 15:01 |
| jd__ | happy new year folks | 15:01 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:01 |
| lsmola_ | happy new year | 15:01 |
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| thomasem | Happy new year! :) | 15:02 |
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| terriyu | Happy New Year to all | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | #topic Tempest integration (nprivalova) | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | nprivalova: floors is yours | 15:02 |
| jd__ | -s | 15:02 |
| nprivalova | hi all! | 15:02 |
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| nprivalova | First of all I'd like to draw you attention to our tempest tests :) | 15:03 |
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| nprivalova | We have the big problem with code duplication | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | duplication within the tempest code tree? | 15:04 |
| nprivalova | now I guess we've managed with the situation but the question is how to track the blueprints | 15:05 |
| nprivalova | eglynn, yes. We had several variants of client, e.g. | 15:05 |
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| nprivalova | from mailing list I got only one suggestion: to create a spreadsheet with changes | 15:06 |
| nprivalova | but I think it is not much better that just having an etherpad | 15:06 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: yeah, the requirement to have a tempest-specific client is awkward | 15:06 |
| eglynn | but I guess there's a good reason behind it | 15:06 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:06 |
| eglynn | (to avoid bugs in the API being masked by compensating bugs in the client library) | 15:06 |
| eglynn | (... at least that was my understanding of the motivation) | 15:07 |
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| nprivalova | yes, I'm not against client in Tempest. But we had several change requests with it's implementation in Tempest | 15:08 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I understand that as well | 15:08 |
| eglynn | where would this spreadsheet live? | 15:08 |
| eglynn | or github? | 15:08 |
| eglynn | s/or/on/ | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | wiki page? | 15:08 |
| nprivalova | it's my question :) Nova guys use the following https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmYuZ6T4IJETdEVNTWlYVUVOWURmOERSZ0VGc1BBQWc&usp=drive_web#gid=0 | 15:09 |
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| dhellmann | wow, that's a long list | 15:09 |
| nprivalova | yes, looks not very good | 15:10 |
| nprivalova | now we have just a https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-test-plan | 15:10 |
| thomasem | D= | 15:10 |
| jd__ | whatever works | 15:11 |
| jd__ | pick it and other will follow :) | 15:11 |
| nprivalova | but my question: how to make people look at it? People just come to tempest and start to create tests. But these tests are already being implemented by others | 15:11 |
| jd__ | nprivalova: there's no magic bullet, just yell at them, -1 and point to the original patch? :) | 15:11 |
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| jd__ | you can't force people to look for something unfortunately | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | an email to the mailing list announcing it would help, but I agree with jd__ that you should -1 patches that duplicate effort | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | hmmm, I seem to remember the tempest folks at one point suggesting the use of an initially empty WIP patch as a mutex | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | (to avoid duplication of effort) | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | I guess we expect to have enough tests that we don't want to open bugs or blueprints for them individually? | 15:12 |
| jd__ | eglynn: that only works if people looks at Gerrit first | 15:13 |
| eglynn | nprivalova: ask dkranz about that mutex idea, I can't recall the details | 15:13 |
| jd__ | while we're at it, I'd like to emphasize something on Tempest testing | 15:13 |
| eglynn | jd__: true that | 15:13 |
| nprivalova | ok. I hope that at least core team is aware of our document :) | 15:13 |
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| jd__ | I'd like that people writing Tempest tests be _very_ careful about how they test things, avoiding race conditions | 15:13 |
| jd__ | typically it is NOT safe to do things like "spawn a VM and check that there's a meter", since you don't know how much time is needed to have a meter | 15:14 |
| eglynn | we don't want ceilo to become the new neutron ;) | 15:14 |
| jd__ | writing such tests that would work 95% of the time is a terrible idea and is going to make us look like Neutron | 15:14 |
| nprivalova | JFYI, our client is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55276/ | 15:14 |
| * jd__ high fives eglynn's great mind | 15:14 | |
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| eglynn | LOL :) | 15:14 |
| jd__ | so *PLEASE* be careful about what you write | 15:14 |
| nprivalova | jd__, please come and review us :) | 15:15 |
| jd__ | and add synchronous mechanism if needed in Ceilometer to make test *RELIABLE* | 15:15 |
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| jd__ | nprivalova: I wish I wish I had enough time, but it's getting harder to follow everything :) | 15:15 |
| jd__ | so I'm just throwing that for now, that's all I can do, and if it was obvious for all of you, wonderful ;) | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | nprivalova: we talked at one point about having ceilomter-core added to reviews, are the test authors doing that? | 15:16 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I know I'm on reviews, don't know aobut ceilometer-core | 15:16 |
| nprivalova | but we definitely need a core reviewer from ceilometer team for tempest test. I hope we will have more tests soon | 15:16 |
| * dhellmann has 280 unread threads related to code reviews in his mailbox | 15:16 | |
| nprivalova | dhellmann, yes | 15:16 |
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| dhellmann | nprivalova: good, thanks | 15:17 |
| nprivalova | my goal for this meeting is to remind you about tempest. So it's rather ok for now, we may move on. I will ping you on the next meeting | 15:18 |
| nprivalova | :) | 15:18 |
| jd__ | cool | 15:18 |
| jd__ | moving on | 15:18 |
| jd__ | #topic Batch notification processing (herndon) | 15:18 |
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| dhellmann | it might be good to have tempest status as a recurring topic | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | like the client lib | 15:19 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: +1 | 15:19 |
| nprivalova | dhellmann, yep. I've added it to agenda | 15:19 |
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| jd__ | I'll keep it on the agenda | 15:19 |
| jd__ | herndon_: around? | 15:19 |
| herndon_ | yep | 15:19 |
| jd__ | herndon_: enlighten us | 15:19 |
| herndon_ | just didn't want to interrupt | 15:20 |
| jd__ | :) | 15:20 |
| herndon_ | so, I'd like to chat about this email thread that happened before the holidays: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-December/022789.html | 15:20 |
| herndon_ | It seems like for the most part people liked the idea of consuming notifications in batches. | 15:20 |
| herndon_ | I believe DanD had some concerns, wanted to give him an opportunity to voice those if he's around | 15:21 |
| DanD | am here | 15:21 |
| herndon_ | care to elaborate a bit? | 15:21 |
| jd__ | herndon_: I think the end result is "please write a patch", no? | 15:21 |
| jd__ | herndon_: or is anything unclear? | 15:21 |
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| herndon_ | unclear, ie, which patch to write | 15:22 |
| DanD | my concern with the message q based approach is that we then don't get caching/batch consumption for other collection methods | 15:22 |
| DanD | we already have api post | 15:22 |
| DanD | discussions on ipmi, snmp | 15:22 |
| jd__ | herndon_: change the prototype of data recording to accept multiple records to be able to batch INSERTs first, then the RPC part | 15:22 |
| DanD | those should also support this | 15:22 |
| herndon_ | sandywalsh proposed putting the code into ceilometer, not oslo, as a first step. This will likely have a faster turn around time | 15:23 |
| jd__ | which code? | 15:23 |
| sandywalsh | yep, in the collector | 15:23 |
| eglynn | would the batching would only apply to samples derived from notifications, or also to metering messages derived from polling? | 15:23 |
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| sandywalsh | optionally turned on but could be shared by all consumers (sample/event/etc) | 15:23 |
| DanD | if we put in in the processing pipeline then it could apply to all collection | 15:23 |
| herndon_ | It could do both I suppose. I'm mostly interested in notifications (and specifically, events), but it would be good to be able to batch everything. | 15:23 |
| * eglynn is thinking about timeliness for alarm triggering | 15:24 | |
| thomasem | As I understand it, it'd apply to anything that consumes notifications? instead of a single message in and product of a single message out, it'd transact in lists... | 15:24 |
| DanD | you need to be able to turn it off as well | 15:24 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, it would be optionally turned on | 15:24 |
| herndon_ | DanD - the problem with batching up http posted data is there's no way to tell the client that something went wrong... I think that data must be inserted directly. | 15:24 |
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| sandywalsh | DanD, not sure if the pipeline is the right place ... perhaps before it? | 15:24 |
| herndon_ | with AMQP, we have the opportunity to hold on to the message until it is committed to the storage back end. | 15:25 |
| DanD | sandy, that could work as well | 15:25 |
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| llu-laptop | could we have another publisher for batch? | 15:25 |
| llu-laptop | herndon_: how? AMQP doesn't interact with storage backend in ceilometer | 15:25 |
| sandywalsh | yeah, it's really only beneficial for queue based inputs ... wouldn't be good for other forms like http | 15:25 |
| herndon_ | llu-laptop: the collector wouldn't ack anything in the batch until the batch is committed. so if something goes wrong, all of those messages just get requeued | 15:26 |
| eglynn | would we need selectivity for batching metering messages for some meters but not others? | 15:26 |
| eglynn | (i.e. suppress batching for cpu_util samples) | 15:26 |
| DanD | there is also udp messages that do not need the reliability but could have huge volumes | 15:27 |
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| llu-laptop | agree with eglynn for selectively batch | 15:27 |
| herndon_ | eglynn: I don't understand... | 15:27 |
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| eglynn | herndon_: I'd want to ensure that cpu_util samples hit the DB immediately on receipt | 15:28 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, if samples are coming from events, then timeliness can't be that big a concern anyway. There's always latency there. | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | batching for http is useful is the incoming http rate is reasonably high. you can batch the incoming requests based on size/time and do async responses back to the client after the request is completely processed | 15:28 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, I would assume you'd want UDP for things like CPU samples? | 15:28 |
| eglynn | herndon_: as say autoscaling actions may be driven off alarms based on cpu_util | 15:28 |
| herndon_ | ok, I see | 15:28 |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: well out-of-the-box AMQP is used for everything | 15:29 |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: ... but yeah, could configure the pipeline.yaml that way | 15:29 |
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| herndon_ | but the metering data doesn't come in on the notification topic right? | 15:29 |
| sandywalsh | eglynn, yeah, perhaps we should reconsider using the queue for samples as default | 15:30 |
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| sandywalsh | herndon_, hmm, good point | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | herndon_: yeah that's why I asked whether it just applied to notifications | 15:30 |
| herndon_ | thinking for starters, lets just batch all of the notifications and build up a more generally useful batching mechanism. Then we can decide how to use it elsewhere? | 15:30 |
| ildikov | herdon: metering data has an own metering topic, if I remeber well to the configuration file | 15:30 |
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| ildikov | herdon: until someone not sets it for notification, if it is allowed | 15:31 |
| sandywalsh | ildikov, perfect | 15:31 |
| sandywalsh | (as it should be :) | 15:32 |
| jd__ | batching notification = sending an array of notification in one AMQP message? | 15:32 |
| ildikov | herndon_^^ sorry, I'm typing too fast and mistyped :( | 15:32 |
| dragondm | no, consuming a batch of notifications off the queue | 15:32 |
| jd__ | ok so it's just on the reader side | 15:32 |
| thomasem | jd__, yeah | 15:32 |
| sandywalsh | no, it means holding them so we can batch write them to storage so it's not 1 read: 1 write | 15:32 |
| herndon_ | yeah | 15:32 |
| jd__ | that's what I understand from the list thread but this disussion confused me | 15:32 |
| sandywalsh | N queue reads: 1 disk write | 15:33 |
| herndon_ | Sounds like it's time to write a BP and start writing the code | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | 1 ack per batch of the sequence number acks everything prior | 15:33 |
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| jd__ | herndon_: my point ;) | 15:33 |
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| DanD | back to my orginal question :), do we want to support batch writes/caching for all sources of data not just message queues? | 15:33 |
| thomasem | rhochmuth, Are we able to specify messages that failed in the bulk ack scheme so they either get dead-lettered or pushed back onto the queue? | 15:34 |
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| jd__ | DanD: other source of data being..? | 15:34 |
| llu-laptop | DanD: in storge side? | 15:34 |
| sandywalsh | DanD, my vote is start with message queues | 15:34 |
| thomasem | Something like bulk ack up to message 1001, except for message 24 and 32 | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | thomasem, i don't think so, | 15:34 |
| herndon_ | thomasem: if you "nack" single messages before the greater "ack", then yes | 15:34 |
| thomasem | Gotcha | 15:35 |
| thomasem | cool | 15:35 |
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| thomasem | I knew we had talked about that previously but the details slipped my mind. :) Thanks! | 15:35 |
| sandywalsh | rhochmuth, I don't think bulk ack() would work in a multi collector scenario either | 15:35 |
| nprivalova | should we implement our own TCP? | 15:35 |
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| thomasem | sandywalsh, why? | 15:35 |
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| jd__ | nprivalova: I didn't read that | 15:35 |
| herndon_ | DanD - batching is not going to take place in oslo, so theoretically we could create UDP batches. | 15:35 |
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| nprivalova | jd__, :) | 15:35 |
| dragondm | sandywalsh: afaik a bulk ack only acks messages for that client. | 15:36 |
| herndon_ | nprivalova - care to fill us in on what that means? | 15:36 |
| DanD | so we are talking about batching on the ceilometer queue, not the service queue? | 15:36 |
| thomasem | ^^ dragondm | 15:36 |
| thomasem | :) | 15:36 |
| thomasem | That's how it's supposed to work | 15:36 |
| herndon_ | dragondm: tjat | 15:36 |
| sandywalsh | dragondm, that was my concern ... if that's the case, we're ok in the happy-day scenario | 15:36 |
| herndon_ | that's correct | 15:36 |
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| sandywalsh | dragondm, otherwise, we have to individually ack for thomasem's use-case | 15:37 |
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| sandywalsh | either way, not a biggie | 15:37 |
| thomasem | I think the message tag used to ack is specific to the client | 15:37 |
| thomasem | in some way | 15:37 |
| herndon_ | it's specific to the channel. | 15:37 |
| thomasem | So, consumer A won't effect consumer B | 15:37 |
| thomasem | when acking or nacking | 15:37 |
| herndon_ | anyway, I think we're done, I'll write up the BP and send it out. | 15:38 |
| dragondm | yup. | 15:38 |
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| sandywalsh | I think the big issue is eglynn's concern and if they're on different queues we're golden. Just need to support batching on a per-queue basis | 15:38 |
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| sandywalsh | so, then it's just like jd__ said, submit branch ... sounds like a worthy effort | 15:38 |
| eglynn | herndon_: ... means a warning against re-inventing the wheel I'd guess | 15:38 |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: yep, agreed (IIUC) | 15:38 |
| eglynn | +1 | 15:38 |
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| jd__ | moving on then :) | 15:39 |
| nprivalova | herndon_, we need to send ack and nack, 'sliding window'. all of these remind me TCP protocol implementation. Just an association :) | 15:39 |
| thomasem | neat | 15:39 |
| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 15:39 |
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| eglynn | I'm guessing herndon_ wants to wait for https://review.openstack.org/54582/ | 15:39 |
| thomasem | Haha, support for event API is coming, promis. | 15:39 |
| thomasem | promise* | 15:39 |
| herndon_ | yes please! | 15:39 |
| thomasem | :P | 15:39 |
| jd__ | fair enough | 15:40 |
| herndon_ | eglynn like it, so it MUST be ready to go :) | 15:40 |
| eglynn | herndon_: is that the only patch you're waiting on landing? | 15:40 |
| herndon_ | s/like/likes | 15:40 |
| jd__ | let's wait for next meeting to see if we can do it unless eglynn handles the burden before | 15:40 |
| herndon_ | for the client? yes | 15:40 |
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| eglynn | herndon_: I'll cut the client release once that patch lands | 15:41 |
| eglynn | jd__: cool enough | 15:41 |
| jd__ | #topic Open discussion | 15:41 |
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| jd__ | there's some timeleft if you want to raise anything | 15:41 |
| yfujioka | Hello, I posted two blueprints. | 15:41 |
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| hvprash_ | Sorry I am asking this again and haven't got any directions so far on how to proceed - Is Active/Active Ceilometer Central agent fully supported in Havana or is that something planned in Icehouse ? Can someone provide some inputs, any docs ? | 15:42 |
| llu-laptop | sorry for the noise, but I need some reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ceilometer+branch:master+topic:bp/support-resources-pipeline-item,n,z it's been there for some time | 15:42 |
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| yfujioka | Those are https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/monitoring-network and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/monitoring-network-from-opendaylight. | 15:42 |
| yfujioka | I hope your comments. | 15:42 |
| Akhil | We have started work on supporting VMware vSphere for Ceilometer. We've come up with technical aspects of implementation like mapping meters from Ceilometer to the counters available in vSphere. The corresponding blue print is - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/blueprints/vmware-vcenter-server. It would be good if it gets reviewed by others. | 15:42 |
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| llu-laptop | hvprash_: havana don't have active/active central agent | 15:43 |
| yfujioka | And I posted patches about those BP. | 15:43 |
| hvprash_ | any proposed blueprint ? or is it under the central agent improvement bp ? | 15:43 |
| nprivalova | I've started a POC for aggregation and rolling_up. If you are interested in it please take a look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65681/ . I'm working on detailed description in bp | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | IIRC we chatted before about a mid-cycle meet-up for the euro-ceilo devs at FOSDEM | 15:44 |
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| eglynn | that still on the cards? | 15:44 |
| eglynn | sadly, /me won't be able to make it to FOSDEM this year :( | 15:45 |
| yfujioka | Those BP are not under the central agent improvement bp. | 15:45 |
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| yfujioka | Should I move to under the the central agent improvement bp ? | 15:45 |
| yfujioka | s/the the/the/ | 15:45 |
| jd__ | hvprash_: icehouse we hope | 15:45 |
| llu-laptop | hvprash_: that's the central agent improvement bp created for, it's an unmbrella | 15:45 |
| hvprash_ | jd__: can you refer me to the bp ? | 15:45 |
| jd__ | eglynn: that sucks! how is that possible :( | 15:46 |
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| eglynn | ... but if there's quorum of other folks attending might be worth organizing something | 15:46 |
| hvprash_ | llu-laptop, ah ok ! | 15:46 |
| jd__ | hvprash_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/central-agent-improvement | 15:46 |
| jd__ | eglynn: I'll send a mail on -dev | 15:46 |
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| hvprash_ | jd__, assuming that also includes the unification of the ceilometer central agent like mulitple datacenter csources etc | 15:47 |
| jd__ | eglynn: should we move FOSDEM to Dublin next year for ya? ;) | 15:47 |
| eglynn | jd__: now you're talkin'! | 15:47 |
| absubram_ | jd_: thanks for the pointer to the central agent improvement bp.. is this being actively targeted for icehouse-3? | 15:47 |
| jd__ | eglynn: that'll just change the beers color. | 15:48 |
| jd__ | absubram_: it is, finger crossed | 15:48 |
| eglynn | jd__: yeah, we don't do fruit in our beer! | 15:48 |
| thomasem | No, just pure happiness. | 15:48 |
| nprivalova | ah, one question from me! I need your heads for discussion https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52670/7/ceilometer/api/controllers/v2.py | 15:48 |
| dragondm | thomasem: yup :> | 15:48 |
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| nprivalova | dhellmann^^ | 15:49 |
| absubram_ | thanks jd__ | 15:49 |
| Akhil | eglynn: Is there a formal process of getting the technical implementation of a BP verified? | 15:49 |
| jd__ | Akhil: git review | 15:49 |
| eglynn | yep, wot he said ... | 15:50 |
| jd__ | sileht: going at FOSDEM this year btw? | 15:51 |
| Akhil | eglynn: Which is after the code is written and we post a review. Is there any platform for discussing architecture before coding or the BP approval is enough? | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | nprivalova: I'll take a look | 15:51 |
| sileht | jd__, I don't think so | 15:51 |
| dragondm | Akhil: Just ML and IRC chats... | 15:52 |
| eglynn | Akhil: BP approval is usually enough, but if it controversial best to also raise it on the ML and/or IRC to give folks a chance to object before you do all the implementation work | 15:52 |
| nprivalova | dhellmann, thanks | 15:52 |
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| hvprash_ | jd__, do you mind if i can sync offline with you to get some insight into this BP ? not sure if all the cases are captured in this or might be my lack in understanding | 15:53 |
| absubram_ | jd__: llu-laptop: just a quick request.. if there is a plan to add active/activa HA support via this central agent impeovement bp.. can we add that to the white board in the bp? | 15:53 |
| Akhil | eglynn: Thanks !!! We'll send out a mail with the points of concern. | 15:54 |
| eglynn | Akhil: cool | 15:54 |
| jd__ | hvprash_: we can discuss it on openstack-dev I think | 15:54 |
| hvprash_ | jd_, that works.. thx a lot | 15:54 |
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| jd__ | so who's going to FOSDEM finally, probably nijaba and me, that's it? | 15:54 |
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| jd__ | not sure if it's worth organizing something if I'm alone coding | 15:55 |
| thomasem | Awwww | 15:55 |
| jd__ | :-) | 15:55 |
| thomasem | You can put a camera on yourself | 15:55 |
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| thomasem | Or telepresence robots | 15:55 |
| * nealph votes for robots | 15:56 | |
| * dhellmann would watch a live-stream of jd__ coding | 15:56 | |
| terriyu | is that telemetry? | 15:56 |
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| jd__ | heh | 15:57 |
| thomasem | If we were to hold up little gauges to the camera, perhaps. | 15:58 |
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| jd__ | that ends it dudes | 16:00 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 9 16:00:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-01-09-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| thomasem | cheers! | 16:00 |
| jd__ | see you soon, happy hacking | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-01-09-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-01-09-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| dragondm | Have a good oen, all! | 16:00 |
| dragondm | er one. | 16:00 |
| terriyu | best wishes for a great 2014! | 16:00 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 9 18:02:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | hi everyone | 18:02 |
| tristanC | Hello :) | 18:02 |
| hyakuhei | Woo, I'm here _again_ :D | 18:02 |
| bpb | hi | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | hopefully everyone enjoyed a little time off | 18:02 |
| nkinder | Hi all | 18:02 |
| paulmo | Yep! | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | #topic Agenda | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:03 | |
| bdpayne | hyakuhei pinged me about an Ironic security review | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | I'd like to discuss that a bit today | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | anything else on people's radar? | 18:03 |
| hyakuhei | Yes I did! There's going to be one, it's very exciting :D | 18:04 |
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| tristanC | bdpayne: I have a few question on pending ossa bugs | 18:04 |
| hyakuhei | OSSA or OSSN? | 18:04 |
| tristanC | OSSA | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | Re OSSA... note that we shouldn't discuss embargoed things here | 18:04 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: I'd like to discuss the cross-project security guidelines too | 18:05 |
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| nkinder | ...and status on in-progress OSSNs | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | ok great, sounds like a full agenda | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | #topic Ironic Security Review | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | Rob... care to provide some context / details? | 18:05 |
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| hyakuhei | Devananda has asked me to organise a review of Ironic | 18:06 |
| hyakuhei | Initially I was going to do a HP Cloud review but I figured it would be a good platform to try an OSSG review | 18:06 |
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| hyakuhei | Threat Analysis -> Code Analysis basically, I have a few example documents I can share and I can bring in some resource to help | 18:07 |
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| hyakuhei | It makes sense to do a security review on Baremetal as a) its actually quite small | 18:07 |
| hyakuhei | and b) its terrifingly insecure | 18:07 |
| hyakuhei | Format is to be decided yet but I'd like to know who's interested in helping out | 18:07 |
| hyakuhei | We've got buy in from several core contributors | 18:07 |
| hyakuhei | so it's a great project to start with and refine the process.... thoughts? | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | yeah, this sounds interesting | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | I'll be happy to be involved in that | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | we were already planning on beating up Ironic a bit in the near term | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | so this fits in nicely | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:09 |
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| hyakuhei | Jolly good, more info to follow towards the end of Jan, as Devananda will be back in his home timezone then | 18:09 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: by "process", do you mean the process of OSSG reviewing design/code for a project? | 18:10 |
| hyakuhei | yup | 18:10 |
| nkinder | I'd like to help with that aspect | 18:10 |
| hyakuhei | Establish the scope, the inputs required, various stakeholders that need to be found, and a get a good feel for what the output should look/feel like | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | yeah | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | in fact, perhaps a small group to do that to start | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | and then from there we can figure out what skills are really needed for the full review | 18:11 |
| nkinder | That would be great | 18:11 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah I'd be up for that - kinda my dayjob anyway... | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | you're a lucky man | 18:11 |
| hyakuhei | _so_ lucky | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | #action hyakuhei bdpayne and nkinder to setup plan of attack for Ironic security review | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | output wise something like http://homes.cs.washington.edu/~aczeskis/research/pubs/UW-CSE-13-08-02.PDF might be worth considering, seems to have been reasonably well received | 18:12 |
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| bdpayne | nice author list ;-) | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | but yeah, that looks nice | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | when should we have the plan of attack nailed down? | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | let's set a deadline for ourselves here | 18:13 |
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| hyakuhei | I'd like to have it 'kick off' 1st of feb. | 18:14 |
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| hyakuhei | That is to say, we've worked out the basic wants/outputs by then, that'll be when the work starts | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | ok, that works reasonably well with my schedule | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | nkinder good with you? | 18:14 |
| nkinder | I'm out of the country for the first 1.5 weeks of Feb, but it'd be nice to work on the plan before then. | 18:14 |
| hyakuhei | We could feasibly do it sooner but the stakeholders from Ironic wont be ready any sooner anyway. | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | ok, sounds good | 18:15 |
| nkinder | I'll be online and around though | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | hyakuhei I'll let you take the lead on getting the three of us in motion on this | 18:15 |
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| bdpayne | but I'm happy to pitch in | 18:15 |
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| hyakuhei | Cheers, I'll be in touch. | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | ok, moving ahead | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | #topic OSSA reviews (non embargoed discussion only please!) | 18:16 |
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| bdpayne | tristanC you had something here? | 18:16 |
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| tristanC | bdpayne: yes thanks, I meant public OSSA listed there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossa | 18:16 |
| tristanC | The last one (#1174660 - when client disconnected, garbage collecting is too heavy) is marked as incomplete. I wonder what is missing | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | not sure, that would be best answered by the VMT | 18:17 |
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| bdpayne | perhaps Thierry | 18:17 |
| tristanC | I mean, the OSSA is unassigned, and the bug is quite old already... | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | I'd suggest commenting on the bug | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | Heh, I commented on that one, this must be from quite a while ago... | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | that will invoke a response | 18:18 |
| tristanC | bdpayne: ok, good | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | excellent, anything else about OSSA? | 18:18 |
| tristanC | well that was it, the others are ongoing work | 18:18 |
| tristanC | thanks :) | 18:18 |
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| hyakuhei | Ongoing, but announced. | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | #topic Current OSSN Work | 18:19 |
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| bdpayne | nkinder had some questions here? | 18:19 |
| nkinder | First just a status update... | 18:19 |
| nkinder | Sriram is updating his OSSN based off of my review. | 18:19 |
| nkinder | The other pending Keystone OSSN I am writing up currently. Should be ready for a review later today. | 18:20 |
| hyakuhei | We need a way to up the cadance on these | 18:20 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: Mail me and I'll review it when you're ready. | 18:20 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: +1 | 18:20 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: Before the holidays, you had an action to "fix everything". :) | 18:20 |
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| hyakuhei | nkinder: sssh. | 18:20 |
| nkinder | I think that was in relation to defining process around OSSN | 18:20 |
| hyakuhei | Incidentally, I will address them this week | 18:20 |
| hyakuhei | They're on my list - promise | 18:21 |
| nkinder | Ok, I'm happy to help here too. | 18:21 |
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| malini1 | Folks, I can help on OSSNs, back to work in earnest | 18:21 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: If you want me to help writeup some of the process stuff on the wiki, I can take a stab at it today or tomorrow. | 18:21 |
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| nkinder | ...or I can wait if you have it in progress | 18:22 |
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| hyakuhei | I won't have the bandwidth until early next week, if you're available go nuts, we'll bash it out between us | 18:22 |
| nkinder | Cool. I'll let you know. | 18:22 |
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| nkinder | That's it on OSSN related stuff for me. | 18:22 |
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| tristanC | where can we find the pending ossn ? | 18:22 |
| hyakuhei | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bugs | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | #topic Cross Project Security Guidelines | 18:23 |
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| bdpayne | ok, we have the rest of the time (~5min) to discuss this | 18:23 |
| hyakuhei | Guideline 1. Read the security guide! :D | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | heh | 18:23 |
| tristanC | hyakuhei: ok thanks | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | I think the idea here is code-level security tips | 18:23 |
| hyakuhei | Not actually that valuable to a developer. | 18:23 |
| nkinder | For the security guidelines, I stole what paulmo started with and started creating a central area on the wiki | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | perfect, that was a nice starting place | 18:24 |
| paulmo | Reference: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/SecurityRequirements | 18:24 |
| nkinder | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Guidelines | 18:24 |
| hyakuhei | Yes, are we talking basic python security or 'don't do stupid things like build a broadcast RPC layer without AuthN/Z or source attestation' ? | 18:24 |
| nkinder | I took out Solum specific stuff (very little) | 18:24 |
| nkinder | paulmo: I think you can clean up the Solum stuff to reference this central area for the OSSG related items. | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | hyakuhei a bit of both | 18:25 |
| paulmo | Yep! Will do | 18:25 |
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| hyakuhei | Sounds good. So who's leading this? I'd like to help | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | I would like to see some cross over between these guidelines and the Ironic review | 18:25 |
| nkinder | paulmo and I so far | 18:25 |
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| bdpayne | separate efforts, to be sure | 18:25 |
| hyakuhei | Where 'help'==Email me a specific task and I'll get it done | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | but, to apply these to Ironic to understand where the shortcomings are | 18:25 |
| hyakuhei | Sounds good | 18:26 |
| hyakuhei | I like how this could combine with the review work | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | and to have the Ironic review team feed back into the guidelines for other areas that need addressing | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | etc | 18:26 |
| nkinder | Ok. I think I'd like to populate the "Details Link" pages that don't exist next. | 18:26 |
| nkinder | and yes, feedback would be great from projects | 18:26 |
| hyakuhei | Ok I'll take a stab and populating one or two tomorrow | 18:26 |
| hyakuhei | And will try to get some of our internal people to have a look / feedback | 18:26 |
| paulmo | PS: Thanks for maintaining the handy links for use in Gerrit reviews. :) | 18:27 |
| nkinder | Great. This one is a good start - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Guidelines/logging_guidelines | 18:27 |
| nkinder | paulmo: yes, I like that idea. | 18:27 |
| nkinder | I'm going to go through all OSSNs to see that they all fit into these topics | 18:27 |
| nkinder | It would be good to plan on that for OSSAs too | 18:27 |
| nkinder | That's it from me. | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | #topic Wrapup | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | so let's record the other actions | 18:28 |
| bdpayne | what else are people committing to here? :-) | 18:29 |
| ewindisch | hello - back from the dead. | 18:29 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: love the idea of tying this into OSSNs too | 18:29 |
| nkinder | #action nkinder to go through OSSNs to ensure security guidelines cover them | 18:29 |
| ewindisch | I still have that long-outstanding action to drive a sprint. I haven't actually forgotten about it. | 18:29 |
| hyakuhei | Applyin RCA for OSSA and seeing where guidelines could have helped would be an excellent idea too | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | #action hyakuhei to fill in some details links at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Guidelines | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | #action kyakuhei and nkinder to organize OSSN process | 18:30 |
| hyakuhei | Take that "kyakuhei" | 18:30 |
| malini1 | hyakuhei: RCA? ewindisch: welcome back and what sprint? | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | #action hyakuhei and nkinder to organize OSSN process | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | that's better | 18:30 |
| nkinder | #action paulmo to cleanup Solum security guidelines to prevent duplication with OSSG page | 18:31 |
| hyakuhei | damn it | 18:31 |
| ewindisch | malini1: I had proposed driving a security-focused developer sprint back during the summit. | 18:31 |
| hyakuhei | malini1: Root Cause Analysis | 18:31 |
| paulmo | Will do! :) | 18:31 |
| hyakuhei | (who fsked up) | 18:31 |
| ewindisch | malini1: then I changed my job and things have been in upheaval for me. I'm just now settling down where I can think about it again. | 18:31 |
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| bdpayne | #action ewindisch to drive security sprint | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | and welcome back ewindsich | 18:31 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 18:32 |
| ewindisch | bdpayne: thanks. | 18:32 |
| malini1 | Give me a baby task and I shall warm up | 18:32 |
| malini1 | may be an OSSN to research and writeup | 18:32 |
| hyakuhei | Review the current OSSNs that are pending | 18:32 |
| nkinder | #action nkinder to finish Keystone OSSN and send out for review | 18:32 |
| bdpayne | #action malini1 to review current pending OSSNs | 18:32 |
| malini1 | hyakuhei: OK, will do | 18:32 |
| bdpayne | ok, that's about all we have time for today | 18:32 |
| bdpayne | thanks everyone! | 18:32 |
| hyakuhei | good meeting, thanks bdpayne | 18:33 |
| nkinder | Thanks! | 18:33 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:33 |
| tristanC | Thanks all, take care | 18:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 9 18:33:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-01-09-18.02.html | 18:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-01-09-18.02.txt | 18:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-01-09-18.02.log.html | 18:33 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 9 20:00:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 20:00 |
| harlowja | hi folks | 20:00 |
| harlowja | welcome back from vacation/s | 20:00 |
| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement | 20:01 |
| harlowja | agenda ^ | 20:01 |
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| harlowja | anyone here, lol | 20:03 |
| harlowja | me so lonely | 20:03 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:03 |
| iv_m_ | hi hi | 20:03 |
| haruka | hi | 20:03 |
| harlowja | hi hi | 20:03 |
| changbl | hi, harlowja | 20:03 |
| harlowja | sweet | 20:04 |
| harlowja | more people! | 20:04 |
| changbl | I am on another meeting meanwhile:) listen-only mody | 20:04 |
| changbl | s/mody/mode/ | 20:04 |
| harlowja | more meetings ftw, lol | 20:04 |
| harlowja | np | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | #topic last-action-items | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-12-19-20.00.html | 20:04 |
| harlowja | long time ago we had a meeting | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | and i've still gotta do my action items, crap | 20:05 |
| harlowja | well i did one of them, 'minilib for zk like stuff on pypi' | 20:05 |
| harlowja | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/zake/ | 20:05 |
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| changbl | yes, reading your code | 20:05 |
| harlowja | useful for doing testing like stuff with zookeeper | 20:05 |
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| changbl | i have a working zk cluster | 20:05 |
| harlowja | nice | 20:05 |
| changbl | will also use your zake for fake testing | 20:05 |
| changbl | I hope i can get zookeeper backend done this week | 20:05 |
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| iv_m_ | great | 20:06 |
| harlowja | changbl apparently there is also a way we can plugin to the jenkins testing servers to also use zookeeper there | 20:06 |
| harlowja | #link https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/blob/master/modules/jenkins/manifests/slave.pp#L125 | 20:06 |
| changbl | how? can you give me some guideline? | 20:06 |
| harlowja | changbl sure, let me fwd u an email | 20:06 |
| harlowja | that i was having with the tooz folks | 20:06 |
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| harlowja | or write it up somewhere | 20:06 |
| changbl | Great. I was just wondering how to write fake tests and real tests | 20:07 |
| changbl | don't have much experience in writing openstack-style tests/env, will need to consult you | 20:07 |
| harlowja | np | 20:07 |
| harlowja | real tests i'll see about figuring out after the base zookeeper jobboard stuff goes in | 20:07 |
| * harlowja i haven't quite figured it out either, ha | 20:07 | |
| harlowja | but it seems like zookeeper is running on the test slaves | 20:07 |
| harlowja | *or should be* | 20:08 |
| changbl | k, we can surely do this together at some point | 20:08 |
| harlowja | ya | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | #action harlowja writeup small wiki describing how to connect tests -> zookeepr (which apparently is on test slves) | 20:08 |
| changbl | thanks~ | 20:08 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja add jobboard stuff to mind-shift page | 20:08 |
| harlowja | #action start brainstorm about using taskflow persistence model in cinder | 20:08 |
| harlowja | ok, i'll do it this time, i swear! | 20:09 |
| harlowja | *the ones i forgot to do* | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | ok, lets jump into 0.1.2 stuff | 20:09 |
| harlowja | #topic 0.1.2 stuff | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | so just overview of what happened and why 0.1.2 | 20:10 |
| harlowja | we bound to sqlalchenmy that was in the openstack/requirements repo, it has very tight restrictions around the versions that are allowed | 20:10 |
| harlowja | #link https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt#L92 | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | so this meant that 0.1.1 had a very strict bound also | 20:11 |
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| harlowja | so sdague was (and is) working on making that requirement in there be 0.8.x, but taskflow having a very tight bound on the requirement (using the one from the globalrequirements) it causes the upgrade to fail when sdague was trying to bump the requirement version | 20:12 |
| harlowja | so lesson being, taskflow probably shouldn't have tight bounds if possible (especially for entrypoints), and we should try to work with as many versions as possible (within reason) | 20:12 |
| iv_m_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/65123 the main stuff | 20:12 |
| iv_m_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/65199 also | 20:12 |
| iv_m_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/65135 for infra config | 20:12 |
| harlowja | right, the above will allow us to remove the requirement bound, and also the infra one will allow us to test against various sqlalchemy versions (i tested it locally on a box, using postgres, mysql, all 3 versions of sqlalchemy, no problems showed up, so thats good) | 20:13 |
| iv_m_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/023387.html ML discussion | 20:14 |
| harlowja | once those 2 reviews go in, then the jenkins slaves will run against those 3 variations (+ a few others) for us | 20:14 |
| harlowja | and that means, we shouldn't hit this problem again (but review times will likely go up, as this adds like 10 new envs to build/test in) | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | right now it seems the testing of taskflow takes about 1.2 minutes on avg | 20:15 |
| harlowja | it will probably take more time than that with all these new envs | 20:15 |
| iv_m_ | 20 envs if i'm counting right | 20:15 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:15 |
| harlowja | ya, watching zuul i haven't noticed any project with that many envs, so we'll see how this goes | 20:15 |
| harlowja | max i've seen is like 11 | 20:16 |
| harlowja | anyways, so thats the reason for 0.1.2 | 20:16 |
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| harlowja | https://etherpad.openstack.org/taskflow012 has a few reviews that i'd like to get in before that, nothing majorly a problem that i see | 20:16 |
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| harlowja | jenkins though is acting up today, so hopefully tommorow 0.1.2 | 20:17 |
| harlowja | *or later today, we'll see | 20:17 |
| harlowja | k | 20:18 |
| harlowja | onward to 0.2.0 | 20:18 |
| harlowja | #topic 0.2.0 status | 20:18 |
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| harlowja | so this one i think is progressing nicely | 20:18 |
| harlowja | and mostly even ontime (i think we said around jan) | 20:19 |
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| harlowja | to me its composed of [checkpoints, jobboard reference impl, base remote-worker-model, smart-reviersion, other cleanups..] | 20:20 |
| harlowja | iv_m_ does that sound about right | 20:20 |
| harlowja | i'd rather not add https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64895/ in to 0.2.0 (even though i think its neat) | 20:20 |
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| harlowja | i think anastasia is making good progress on checkpointing | 20:21 |
| iv_m_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/taskflow+branch:master+topic:checkpoints,n,z | 20:22 |
| * iv_m_ plays for link bot today | 20:22 | |
| harlowja | although i need to bug her about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64111/ (since i'm still not quite sure if checkpoints belong so tightly connected to flows) | 20:22 |
| harlowja | to me they almost feel like a new thing in the execution graph, not so tightly connected to flows | 20:23 |
| iv_m_ | her ultimate goal is reversion-strategies, with checkpoints and smart-revert as intermediate points | 20:23 |
| harlowja | sure | 20:23 |
| harlowja | i almost feel like checkpoints 'wrap' subgraphs (in a way) and that means they don't need to be coupled to flows | 20:24 |
| harlowja | but i'll try to bug her about this | 20:24 |
| harlowja | and the zookeeper stuff, anyone feel free to review, no more commits from me i think :-P | 20:25 |
| harlowja | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54220/ | 20:25 |
| harlowja | ;) | 20:25 |
| iv_m_ | will do | 20:25 |
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| harlowja | thx iv_m_ | 20:25 |
| harlowja | what else did i miss, hmmm | 20:26 |
| changbl | harlowja, will review your 54220 | 20:26 |
| harlowja | changbl sweet, thx | 20:26 |
| harlowja | the changeset is at the waaay bottom of the page, lol | 20:26 |
| changbl | way too long... | 20:26 |
| harlowja | :-P | 20:27 |
| iv_m_ | it's not even patchset 100 | 20:27 |
| harlowja | ah changbl do u want to try to get your zookeeper logbook in 0.2 | 20:27 |
| changbl | definitely | 20:27 |
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| harlowja | iv_m_ we need to at least get it to 2^6 | 20:28 |
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| harlowja | changbl cool, i guess lets see where we are by next week | 20:28 |
| harlowja | and we can see if we can decide on a 0.2 'cut-date' | 20:28 |
| harlowja | seems doable | 20:28 |
| changbl | sure | 20:29 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:29 |
| harlowja | alright, next also intereting topic, oslo | 20:29 |
| harlowja | #topic oslo | 20:29 |
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| iv_m_ | oh | 20:30 |
| harlowja | so this was an interseting question that also came out of the sqlalchemy question | 20:30 |
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| harlowja | will summarize, taskflow could become a part of oslo, if we want, i think certain folks would like that since it then means we can be more tightly integrted/gated on in openstack (part of the reason for this was the requirements, which i think we have solved in the above reviews anyway) | 20:30 |
| harlowja | from what i can tell it wouldn't mean we lose independence, or momentum | 20:31 |
| harlowja | dhellmann tyt | 20:31 |
| harlowja | ^yt | 20:31 |
| harlowja | it would i guess gain us more exposure/publicity (maybe) | 20:31 |
| iv_m_ | what it means 'tight integration'? | 20:32 |
| iv_m_ | except cool repo url | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | ya, so i think it means that if we change taskflow, that if its in oslo, then the infra team would feel comfortable automatically activating jobs to make sure cinder,nova... work with the newer/updated taskflow | 20:34 |
| harlowja | thats what i think it means by tighter integration | 20:34 |
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| harlowja | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/023541.html | 20:35 |
| harlowja | how about i investigate that a little more, and maybe can report back on next week, its still a little cloudy what it would buy | 20:35 |
| harlowja | repo name change, possibly above testing feature | 20:36 |
| iv_m_ | well, i don't see any reason for testing/gating openstack with our master | 20:36 |
| harlowja | sure, understandable | 20:36 |
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| harlowja | anyways, let me write up a pros/cons thing, and see if i can filter it out to what it really means | 20:37 |
| harlowja | i think also part of it is 'unknown' as afaik no other library really has this tight of integration with openstack (and isn't already in oslo) | 20:37 |
| harlowja | the oslo.* modules are already tightly integrated into openstack (imho to tightly) | 20:38 |
| harlowja | ^ some of them, not all | 20:38 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja work on etherpad with oslo pros/cons so that we can understand it a little better | 20:39 |
| harlowja | #topic integration-status | 20:40 |
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| harlowja | so i'm seeing some good reviews still going on | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TaskflowIcehouseWhoWhatWhereWhy has most of them (hopefully didn't miss any) | 20:42 |
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| harlowja | feel free to update that | 20:42 |
| harlowja | seems like most are still working on those, so thx for those that are :) | 20:43 |
| harlowja | and let us know if we can help (or review, or all the above) | 20:43 |
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| harlowja | cool, onwards | 20:46 |
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| harlowja | ah, nexst one was checkpointing, lets skip that an i'll ping anastasia | 20:46 |
| harlowja | #topic scoping | 20:46 |
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| iv_m_ | on checkpointing you can ping me, too | 20:47 |
| harlowja | iv_m_ kk | 20:47 |
| harlowja | thx | 20:47 |
| harlowja | so the scoping idea came out of a brainstorm from iv_m_ and me a few days ago | 20:47 |
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| harlowja | the idea is similar to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scope_%28computer_science%29 | 20:47 |
| harlowja | *but much simpler | 20:47 |
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| harlowja | currently a flow structure will be flattened into a single execution graph, this will be done inside the engine code, currently this flattening discards the locality information of where a task exists and what flow it exists in | 20:49 |
| harlowja | *done inside the engine compile() phase | 20:49 |
| iv_m_ | which can be considered a good thing in fact | 20:49 |
| harlowja | this means that a engine can execute with a single flow_detail (since we just flattened it down to a single graph) | 20:49 |
| harlowja | iv_m_ sure, its good and bad :-P | 20:49 |
| harlowja | so scoping changes that, and doesn't lose the locality information, but also makes it so that its no longer a single flow_detail (and associated storage object) which is referenced for task requirements and failures and ... | 20:50 |
| harlowja | ^ complexity... | 20:50 |
| harlowja | so i worked on a change @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64895/ that keeps the old flat way of working (no scopes, 1 flow detail used) and can also add scopes (via config, which will result in many flow _details) | 20:51 |
| harlowja | each way may be useful (or not, depending on the user) | 20:52 |
| harlowja | so just something to think about | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | *in a way what exists before was that u created flows with nested flows, and then they all got flattened and referred to a single global scope | 20:53 |
| harlowja | with the above review, scope is tracked, so that nested flows refer to there local scopes (and ... to global scope) | 20:53 |
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| harlowja | anyways feel free to check it out, think over it, seems like a nice to have (the ability to work either way) | 20:54 |
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| harlowja | k, thats all i got, lets open up for 5 more minutes of fun | 20:55 |
| harlowja | #topic open-discuss | 20:55 |
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| harlowja | anything anyone wants to bring up, new ideas, new problems, new solutions | 20:56 |
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| harlowja | *or other newness | 20:56 |
| harlowja | going once | 20:57 |
| harlowja | goiinnng twice | 20:57 |
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| harlowja | going thrice | 20:57 |
| harlowja | soolld | 20:57 |
| harlowja | we'll be in #openstack-state-management as usual folks | 20:58 |
| harlowja | thanks for coming! | 20:58 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 9 22:00:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| mkoderer | hi | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | hi who do we have today? | 22:00 |
| masayukig | hi | 22:00 |
| rahmu | hi | 22:00 |
| dkranz | hi | 22:00 |
| dmorita | hii | 22:00 |
| gfidente | hi | 22:00 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 22:00 |
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| mtreinish | today's agenda: | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 22:01 |
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| mtreinish | let's get started | 22:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | I guess first up we have | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Negative test status/discussion (dkranz) | 22:02 |
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| mkoderer | #link https://github.com/mkoderer/tempest/tree/feature/negative_tests | 22:02 |
| dkranz | ok, so I got only positive feedback for the negative test gen approach I pushed, and a request for testscenarios usage | 22:02 |
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| dkranz | Marc made a fork for us to share and pushed the testscenario stuff | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: that's not fair I had a few negative comments :) | 22:03 |
| rahmu | dkranz: are you talking about this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64733/ | 22:03 |
| dkranz | rahmu: yes | 22:03 |
| mkoderer | I will push tomorrow the newest state | 22:03 |
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| dkranz | The current state is in https://github.com/mkoderer/tempest/tree/feature/negative_tests | 22:03 |
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| dkranz | I am going to add validation for the schemas | 22:04 |
| mkoderer | and I added testscenarios today | 22:04 |
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| mkoderer | so feedback is welcome ;) | 22:04 |
| dkranz | We can discuss and then Marc and I would like to know what we think should go in before we remove the WIP | 22:04 |
| dkranz | So the current plan is testscenarios (already there) and validation (soon) | 22:05 |
| dkranz | Comments? | 22:05 |
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| mkoderer | and unit tests ;) (not pushed yet) | 22:05 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: right | 22:06 |
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| mtreinish | mkoderer: that's the right attitude | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I think that's probably a good starting point for now | 22:06 |
| dkranz | I am not talking about what is needed to be "complete" but what is needed to actually submit so others can contgribute | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah that's probably a good base so we everyone can iterate on it | 22:06 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, so we will put in validation and some unit tests and then push for real | 22:07 |
| rahmu | Are we done with separating the existing negative tests? | 22:07 |
| mkoderer | rahmu: shouldn't be much left | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | rahmu: yeah I don't think it's quite a 100% yet | 22:07 |
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| rahmu | my patch for the Swift tests needs some love :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61874/ | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | but that really isn't the highest priority the separation just helps when we decide to pull the negative tests | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | rahmu: we've got a section at the end of the meeting for reviews that need attention | 22:08 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Right. We will have to decide how many generated test to run in the gate | 22:08 |
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| rahmu | okay | 22:08 |
| mkoderer | rahmu: I will have a look to the patch tomorrow | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I imagine these tests are fairly quick, the current negative tests are for the most part | 22:09 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes, but these will generate a lot more tests | 22:09 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: one, for each api, for each resource or json value that can be supplied | 22:10 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I guess we can worry about that later | 22:10 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: The biggest part of this job is adding new schemas for each api | 22:11 |
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| mkoderer | yes .. let's care about that later | 22:11 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: So it will take a while | 22:11 |
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| dkranz | That's it from me | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | then let's move on | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Reconsideration of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/refactor-rest-client, according to changes (vponomaryov) | 22:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reconsideration of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/refactor-rest-client, according to changes (vponomaryov) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:12 | |
| mtreinish | vponomaryov: are you around? | 22:12 |
| vponomaryov | yes | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | ok go ahead | 22:12 |
| mkoderer | ok I am off.. cu tomorrow | 22:12 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: Sleep well! | 22:13 |
| vponomaryov | So, after last BP review it have had changed | 22:13 |
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| vponomaryov | Little changes to rest client and two examples of yousing it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62923/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64948/ | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | vponomaryov: so my concern with this blueprint is actually shown in this file: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64948/6/tempest/services/compute/xml/servers_client.py | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | things don't actually change that significantly | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | you drop the one line methods | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | but the bulk of the file stays the same | 22:14 |
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| mtreinish | and there is a lot of review effort and rebase churn for something like this restructure | 22:15 |
| vponomaryov | we have 25% of code clearing on адфе здфсу | 22:15 |
| vponomaryov | flat place | 22:15 |
| vponomaryov | without inconsistencies | 22:15 |
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| dkranz | I have mixed feelings about this | 22:16 |
| dkranz | The newer projects have all made sure their json and xml are mostly isomorphic an so avoid this issue | 22:16 |
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| dkranz | We are really talking about the legacy code | 22:16 |
| dkranz | And whether it is worth refactoring it | 22:16 |
| dkranz | I don't really mean legacy but rather already complete | 22:17 |
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| sdague | yeh, with current review load it seems really low priority | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah that's part of my concern here. IMO the effort for doing this really doesn't seem worth it | 22:18 |
| dkranz | vponomaryov: What was bugging you that made this your highest priority? | 22:18 |
| vponomaryov | Copy -paste issue | 22:18 |
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| vponomaryov | I am working on service clients on new project, and found it as really easy to fix and nice look | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | vponomaryov: well would just the first part be enough for you then. That way we can avoid the review churn of converting everything? | 22:20 |
| dkranz | vponomaryov: So why not just do it there, and only use the first part? | 22:20 |
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| vponomaryov | second part was made after sdague comment | 22:21 |
| vponomaryov | about selecting hardent client pair | 22:21 |
| dkranz | We can make it nicer for new projects | 22:21 |
| vponomaryov | s/hardent/hardest | 22:21 |
| dkranz | Well sdague was assuming I think this would be done for all or none but that may not be right | 22:21 |
| vponomaryov | I agree, at least, with approving changes for rest clietn itself | 22:21 |
| vponomaryov | when, who want make his client pair without copy-paste he just do it | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | vponomaryov: I think doing it that way will be fine, but if you're refactoring the rest client make sure you add unit tests to cover the changes | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | that way we can verify functionality moving forward | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | especially if you're not converting any of the exisiting service clients | 22:23 |
| vponomaryov | mtreinish: unittests should be in the same patch? | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | vponomaryov: yes | 22:23 |
| vponomaryov | ok | 22:23 |
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| mtreinish | ok I think this topic is done for now | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | let's move on | 22:24 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:25 |
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| mtreinish | are there any other blueprints that people think need attention | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | or status updates from any open blueprints | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | I actually have a quick update on bp config-cleanup today | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | I think what will be the last 2 reorg patches are up for review right now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65751/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62063/ | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | but I wanted to make sure that everyone thinks the reorg is finished or good enough before I think it's read to close | 22:26 |
| sdague | cool, honestly I've been not really doing many reviews this week with the gate backed up the way it is. Trying to not make it worse | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | and that I didn't miss any configurable options | 22:27 |
| sdague | mtreinish: seems good enough for my tastes, we can pick up other issues after if they come up | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | sdague: that's fine the second one actually bounced of the gate after about 48 hours because of a merge conflict | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok then when these last 2 merge I close the bp | 22:27 |
| sdague | so had you intended that bp to also cover the config isolation from the class hierarchy? | 22:28 |
| sdague | or was that outside of it | 22:28 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: not originally, but that ended up being part of it too | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | because I hit some issues with the decorators that I had to add for the extension stuff | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | I could make it a separate bp or just tack it on to this one | 22:29 |
| sdague | so we might want to make a task on it then to run through and clean up assigning config pieces to the objects | 22:29 |
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| ken1ohmichi | related to config cleanup, is the CONF of each base.py necessary based on http://openstack.10931.n7.nabble.com/qa-changes-to-interacting-with-Tempest-config-td27732.html ? | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok will do | 22:30 |
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| sdague | ken1ohmichi: so honestly, it should be imported when you need it | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | ken1ohmichi: that's what we're talking about, getting rid of it from the base test classes | 22:31 |
| ken1ohmichi | sdague: ok, I see | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | and switching it to the imports | 22:31 |
| sdague | it's in the basy.py just because we used to build it in the base.py classes and assign it to cls.config | 22:31 |
| sdague | but we should stop doing that entirely | 22:31 |
| sdague | and treat it like logging object | 22:31 |
| sdague | completely outside of the class hierarchy | 22:32 |
| sdague | just import it when yuo need it | 22:32 |
| sdague | it magically lazy loads the first time anyone gets an attr | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | ok does anyone else have bp updates? otherwise lets move on | 22:33 |
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| vponomaryov | sdague, but, for now, it has static proxy class attrs, and in cli tests oslo.config can not be removed | 22:33 |
| vponomaryov | because its grop/options defined in cli module | 22:33 |
| vponomaryov | and never assigned to proxy | 22:34 |
| sdague | vponomaryov: so that's probably true, honestly the cli tests are a bit of a different beast | 22:34 |
| sdague | so I'm not that concerned about them | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | vponomaryov: I'm not actually convinced of that either but we can save that discussion for later | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | ok lets move on to the next topic | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:35 |
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| mtreinish | so are there any critical/high bugs that we need to bring up | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | sdague: you always have something to say about bugs :) | 22:37 |
| sdague | heh | 22:37 |
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| sdague | honestly, not this week. I've been too buried trying to get my er data analyzer working | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | ok, fair enough | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | then let's jump to the next topic | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | #topic Neutron testing (mlavalle) | 22:38 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: are you around? | 22:38 |
| mlavalle | mlavalle: the current status is in the agenda, which I updated a couple of hours ago | 22:38 |
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| mlavalle | I just want to highlight that he api gap analysis is complete | 22:39 |
| mlavalle | in the etherpad | 22:39 |
| mlavalle | folks are picking up gaps and developing tests | 22:39 |
| mlavalle | not as much as many as I wanted but it seems to be picking up | 22:39 |
| masayukig | mlavalle: where is the etherpad? | 22:40 |
| mlavalle | and I am making a point of following up daily with them and review their code | 22:40 |
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| mlavalle | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-qa-neutron | 22:40 |
| mlavalle | in the api section | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-qa-neutron | 22:40 |
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| masayukig | mlavalle: thanks :) | 22:41 |
| mlavalle | all he negative tests were removed for the ether pad as of last week | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: I think it might be worth separating the gap analysis and tracking to separate place | 22:41 |
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| mtreinish | it just seems a little crowded on that etherpad :) | 22:41 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: you mentioned that a few weeks ago……. | 22:41 |
| mlavalle | but folks are already going to the etherpad | 22:42 |
| mlavalle | I don't want to confuse / loose them | 22:42 |
| mlavalle | that's why I've been hesitant to take the analysis somewhere else | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | ok, that's fine. | 22:42 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando has been making progress with the bugs related to the gate and parallel testing | 22:43 |
| mlavalle | if he is around I would like him to give some detail | 22:43 |
| salv-orlando | I am around if there is any question | 22:44 |
| salv-orlando | sorry mlavalle did not see your last post | 22:44 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have | 22:44 |
| mlavalle | and see you next week in balmy Montreal ;-) | 22:45 |
| salv-orlando | in a nutshell: the most pressing issue, with the connection not being up because of various agent issue will be sorted once the patches under review are merged. | 22:45 |
| salv-orlando | I have filed a list of bugs for "minor" issues. They're all tagged neutron-parallel. | 22:45 |
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| salv-orlando | We only have one big problem with a scenario for port quotas, but it's more about how the scenario itself is designed. I'm taking care of that. | 22:45 |
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| salv-orlando | furthermore, nati-ueno is looking at a metadata issue that was uncovered once the rest of agent flakiness has been sorted. | 22:46 |
| salv-orlando | this metadata issue causes ssh to not work - even if the vm is reachable (the 'ssh protocol banner' error). | 22:47 |
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| salv-orlando | that's all from me. | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: ok cool it sounds like things are moving | 22:47 |
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| mtreinish | salv-orlando: oh, so it was related the ssh issue was related to cloud-init | 22:47 |
| salv-orlando | mtreinish: the original ssh issue was related to the agent taking ages to wire ports | 22:48 |
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| salv-orlando | and applying iptables over and over, thus delaying further port wiring | 22:48 |
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| salv-orlando | once that has been sorted (even if the patches are technically still under review) | 22:48 |
| salv-orlando | I have seen appearing a lot (about 20% of runs) this ssh protocol banner error | 22:49 |
| salv-orlando | nati-ueno has found triaged the bug and assigned it to himself. | 22:49 |
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| mtreinish | ok cool | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | let's go to the last topic on today's agenda | 22:50 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:50 |
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| mtreinish | so does anyone have any reviews that need some attention? | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | rahmu: you had one earlier right? | 22:51 |
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| rahmu | mtreinish: yes I was mentioning separating negative tests for Swift https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61874/ | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61874/ | 22:51 |
| dkranz | There are a lot of reviews sitting with just a -1 from jenkins | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | rahmu: ok, I'll take a look at it after the meeting | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah that's probably because of the state of the gate now | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | but I feel the burden on the recheck should be the patch owner | 22:52 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Should people be doing rechecks, or not? | 22:52 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I agree. I'll send a message to the list. | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I have been, but I guess it just contributes to the load on things | 22:53 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: That's why I asked | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | sdague: do you have an opinion? | 22:53 |
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| sdague | so in general I think authors should be responsible for their patches getting past jenkins | 22:54 |
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| sdague | but honestly, right now, I wouldn't create more load | 22:54 |
| sdague | which is why I've been trying to just let things clear | 22:54 |
| sdague | unless it's a fix for something which will make the gate better | 22:54 |
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| sdague | dkranz: so I wouldn't send an email at this point | 22:54 |
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| dkranz | sdague: ok | 22:54 |
| sdague | until the gate actually dips below 10 items in it | 22:55 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Perhaps we should start reviewing things that are in this state | 22:55 |
| sdague | because it hasn't been < 40 since sunday | 22:55 |
| dkranz | sdague: Cause otherwise we are jkust shutting down | 22:55 |
| sdague | dkranz: agreed | 22:55 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I'll send a message about that then :) | 22:56 |
| dkranz | sdague: Unless you think I shouldn't | 22:56 |
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| sdague | yeh, well that's why I'm organzing Gate Blocking Bug day | 22:56 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I know but its 2.5 weeks away, right? | 22:57 |
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| sdague | yes | 22:57 |
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| sdague | but with montreal next week, that was about as good as I was going to get | 22:57 |
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| ken1ohmichi | mtreinish: I also have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63365/ for fixing a gate failure | 22:57 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63365/ | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | ken1ohmichi: ok, I'll take a look in a bit | 22:58 |
| sdague | ken1ohmichi: ok, great | 22:58 |
| ken1ohmichi | mtreinish: Ithanks in advance | 22:58 |
| dkranz | sdague: Speaking of Montreal, should those of us not there try to participate some? What's the best way to do that? | 22:58 |
| sdague | ken1ohmichi: +A, I'll get fungi to put it up to the top of the gate | 22:58 |
| sdague | dkranz: be on IRC? | 22:59 |
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| sdague | other than that, I don't think there will be much to do | 22:59 |
| dkranz | sdague: I'm always on IRC :) | 22:59 |
| sdague | yeh | 22:59 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok | 22:59 |
| sdague | it's not really optimized for people far away | 22:59 |
| dkranz | sdague: Sure | 22:59 |
| ken1ohmichi | sdague: thanks!! | 22:59 |
| sdague | but maybe we'll send people to irc if we get swamped | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | ok well we're out of time for today | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 23:00 |
| dkranz | bye all | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 23:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 9 23:00:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-01-09-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| mlavalle | cheers | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-01-09-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| rahmu | bye | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-01-09-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
| masayukig | bye | 23:00 |
| andreaf | bye | 23:00 |
| ken1ohmichi | bye | 23:00 |
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| fungi | sdague: you need 63365 promoted asap? | 23:08 |
| fungi | i'll move to -infra | 23:08 |
| sdague | fungi: yeh, though jeblair did it | 23:08 |
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| fungi | oh, even better. work i don't have to do is work i don't have to do | 23:08 |
| sdague | :) | 23:08 |
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