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| DinaBelova | #startmeeting climate | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Feb 7 15:00:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DinaBelova. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: climate)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'climate' | 15:00 |
| DinaBelova | o/ | 15:00 |
| DinaBelova | hello folks | 15:00 |
| DinaBelova | who's here? | 15:00 |
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| DinaBelova | casanch1, bauzas, swann, f_rossigneux, SergeyLukjanov, pafuent? | 15:00 |
| casanch1 | hi | 15:00 |
| DinaBelova | hello :) | 15:01 |
| DinaBelova | Nick has some troubles with irc client | 15:01 |
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| DinaBelova | but I dunno where are others :) | 15:01 |
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| DinaBelova | let's wait then | 15:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 15:02 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:02 |
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| DinaBelova | we should wait bauzas anyway.. | 15:03 |
| casanch1 | pafuent is joining | 15:03 |
| DinaBelova | ok, great | 15:03 |
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| DinaBelova | hmm :) | 15:05 |
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| pafuent | Hi | 15:05 |
| DinaBelova | hello | 15:05 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, you here? | 15:05 |
| DinaBelova | it seems like his meeting lasts longer than he thought | 15:06 |
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| pafuent | Yeap | 15:06 |
| DinaBelova | ok, I'll post today's agenda anyway | 15:07 |
| DinaBelova | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Climate#Next_meetings | 15:07 |
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| DinaBelova | let's wait 3 more mins and then start discussion | 15:07 |
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| DinaBelova | okay, I'll start, let's see if other guys will join | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Action items from the last meeting + reviews queries | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting + reviews queries (Meeting topic: climate)" | 15:10 | |
| DinaBelova | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2014/climate.2014-02-04-15.02.html | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | last time we had not many action items, really :) | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | as for me, I've released 0.1 Climate | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | and I'm proud I did it with u, folks | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | while releasing several problems were found and I'll cover them later this meeting | 15:11 |
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| DinaBelova | also I've created several BPs for 0.2 release | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | due to #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-0.2 | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | still, we may add some more functionality to 0.2 | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | if it'll be needed to | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | pafuent, casanch1 I want you to take a look on this page | 15:13 |
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| DinaBelova | and if you want to add something there - please, feel free | 15:13 |
| pafuent | We look at them yesterday | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | ok, so you're ok with that proposals? | 15:13 |
| casanch1 | we think we can work on notification | 15:14 |
| pafuent | And devstack thing, of course | 15:14 |
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| DinaBelova | ok, I saw you've started mailing thread with Joel | 15:14 |
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| DinaBelova | I dunno if it was some other letters | 15:14 |
| DinaBelova | did you agreed on meeting time? | 15:14 |
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| DinaBelova | to discuss notification BP? | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | ok, we may discuss them on next topics | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Current 0.1.1 status | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current 0.1.1 status (Meeting topic: climate)" | 15:15 | |
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| DinaBelova | #link https://launchpad.net/climate/+milestone/0.1.1 | 15:15 |
| pafuent | We already have it. Joel will send an email with the result of the metting | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | pafuent, ok, great, thanks | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | we have already good progress for 0.1.1 release | 15:16 |
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| DinaBelova | cause we thought it would have bug fixes and several BPs u see there | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | I want to define at least draft date for 0.1.1 | 15:17 |
| pafuent | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1276638 This one was merged | 15:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1276638 in climate "Climate client can't handle correctly no-JSON responses" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | pafuent, yep | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | that's nice :) | 15:17 |
| pafuent | lp didn't notice that | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | it seems like I have to do that manually | 15:18 |
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| DinaBelova | #action DinaBelova Fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1276638 state | 15:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1276638 in climate "Climate client can't handle correctly no-JSON responses" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | If 0.1.1 scope will look almost the same | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | as it's now | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | I think we may have 0.1.1 somewhen about first week of March or even earlier | 15:20 |
| DinaBelova | anyway, we'll look on further progress | 15:20 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Future plans for 0.2 (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-0.2) + special attention on notifications BP | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Future plans for 0.2 (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-0.2) + special attention on notifications BP (Meeting topic: climate)" | 15:20 | |
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| DinaBelova | as for 0.2, we have almost defined scope now for it | 15:21 |
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| DinaBelova | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/climate/0.2.x | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/climate/0.2.x | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | Pablo and Cristian - you'll be working on devstack + notifications? | 15:22 |
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| casanch1 | yes! | 15:22 |
| pafuent | Yeap | 15:22 |
| bauzas | o/ | 15:23 |
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| DinaBelova | bauzas, o/ | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | casanch1, pafuent great | 15:23 |
| bauzas | sorry, was previously in another meeting | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | casanch1, pafuent I'll wait results of your discussion with Joel | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, never mind | 15:24 |
| bauzas | about notifications | 15:24 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, please take a look on meeting minutes later | 15:24 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, yes | 15:24 |
| bauzas | I did | 15:24 |
| bauzas | so, there is a clear consensus with jd__ | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | notifications have to ben sent to Ceilometer and then must be raised to customers there | 15:25 |
| bauzas | s/ben/be | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, yep, sure - but also we have two Intel teams that have real use case for that | 15:25 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: yup, we know | 15:25 |
| casanch1 | yes, Joel will also send the use cases | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | and Joel, Pablo and Cristian has discussed that internally | 15:25 |
| bauzas | that needs to be discussed on how to do this the right way | 15:25 |
| casanch1 | bauzas: exactly | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | so we'll have use cases and then discuss :) | 15:26 |
| casanch1 | did you already have some discussions about it? | 15:26 |
| bauzas | my personal opinion is that we have to leverage Ceilometer capabilities | 15:26 |
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| DinaBelova | that were some technical thought, yes | 15:26 |
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| bauzas | but in case of an operator wanting to deploy Climate only, we could consider some minimal actions | 15:26 |
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| DinaBelova | smth like climate -> notification to queue -> ceilometer -> real notification to user | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, am I right? | 15:27 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: +1 | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | that was idea | 15:27 |
| casanch1 | we have also discussed that the notifications could also trigger some workflows | 15:27 |
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| DinaBelova | I believe it's still good one - but we'll review it one more time anyway | 15:28 |
| casanch1 | additionally to the client notifications | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | casanch1, yep, I noticed idea about Mistral + Murano | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | Joel has written that | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | on BP | 15:28 |
| casanch1 | ok | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/climate/+spec/notifications | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | anyway, for Climate it will mostly look like sending notification to queue | 15:29 |
| bauzas | would it makes sense to define a meeting for it ? | 15:29 |
| bauzas | s/makes/make | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | the question is who and how will process that | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, I suppose we'll take a look on use cases firstly | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | and then decide if needed | 15:29 |
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| bauzas | jd__ was committed on that | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, sure | 15:30 |
| ddutta | cyeoh: got a min? | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | we'll share use cases to all interested people. casanch1, pafuent - will it be ok for you? | 15:30 |
| bauzas | +1 | 15:30 |
| pafuent | +1 | 15:31 |
| casanch1 | +1 | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | ok, nice | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | let's move on to the next topic then | 15:31 |
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| DinaBelova | #topic New name for Climate ('climate' repos already exist on PyPi and rtfd) (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-new-name) - ideas? | 15:31 |
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| DinaBelova | and we still have problems :) | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | as I said on last meeting | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | 'climate' name is already used almost everywhere | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | PyPi, readthedocts, ... | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | I'm not talking about trademarks | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | so-o-o | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | if we're thinking about next release and about possible incubation | 15:32 |
| bauzas | so, I think we should vote for the renaming | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | we NEED new name | 15:32 |
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| DinaBelova | bauzas, first of all we need candidates :) | 15:33 |
| pafuent | Why Climate was choose? | 15:33 |
| pafuent | In the first place | 15:33 |
| Nikolay_St | hi all | 15:33 |
| Nikolay_St | sorry | 15:33 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: we first need to vote if Climate name needs to be changed :) | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | Nikolay_St, o/ | 15:33 |
| bauzas | and if agreed, we need to vote on the process : | 15:33 |
| bauzas | :) | 15:33 |
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| pafuent | Change the name: +1 | 15:33 |
| casanch1 | +1 | 15:34 |
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| bauzas | I'm just saying we should *officially* vote ;) | 15:34 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: ;) | 15:34 |
| bauzas | so that it would appear in the minutes ;) | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | #startvote Change Climate project name? yes, no | 15:34 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Change Climate project name? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 15:34 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:34 |
| bauzas | #vote yes | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | #vote yes | 15:34 |
| casanch1 | #vote yes | 15:35 |
| pafuent | #vote yes | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | sorry, I was fighting with voting syntax :) | 15:35 |
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| DinaBelova | Nikolay_St? | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov? | 15:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #vote yes | 15:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | just cnange, no options? | 15:36 |
| bauzas | SergeyLukjanov: we need to define a process | 15:36 |
| casanch1 | tobok = ToBook (with one less o) | 15:36 |
| bauzas | with timelines | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | Nick has problems with irc | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | but he's ok | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | so | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | #endvote | 15:36 |
| openstack | Voted on "Change Climate project name?" Results are | 15:36 |
| openstack | yes (5): bauzas, casanch1, DinaBelova, SergeyLukjanov, pafuent | 15:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it depends on your plans on sending incubation request | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, now we have voted we need that | 15:37 |
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| DinaBelova | Now I want to propose the following question: we have to define list of new names next week | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | and we need these names to be free on PyPi, readthedocs and trademarks | 15:38 |
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| bauzas | could I suggest two weeks for the proposal ? | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, ok, good idea | 15:38 |
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| bauzas | and in case of nothing proposed in a 2 week delay, another week for finding at least one other name | 15:39 |
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| bauzas | you ok ? | 15:39 |
| pafuent | Yes | 15:39 |
| bauzas | 2 weeks + 1 week extra delay | 15:39 |
| casanch1 | +1 | 15:40 |
| bauzas | and if none found in 3 weeks, that's duty of PTL for choosing | 15:40 |
| DinaBelova | #startvote Define list of new possible names in 2 weeks starting from Feb 10 (1 extra week if no new names will be proposed)? yes, no | 15:40 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Define list of new possible names in 2 weeks starting from Feb 10 (1 extra week if no new names will be proposed)? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 15:40 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:40 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, ok :) | 15:40 |
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| DinaBelova | #vote yes | 15:40 |
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| bauzas | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| pafuent | #vote yes | 15:40 |
| casanch1 | #vote yes | 15:40 |
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| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, are you ok with that? | 15:41 |
| DinaBelova | I suppose he is :) | 15:41 |
| bauzas | close the vote | 15:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #vote yes | 15:41 |
| DinaBelova | I'll close voting | 15:41 |
| DinaBelova | #endvote | 15:41 |
| openstack | Voted on "Define list of new possible names in 2 weeks starting from Feb 10 (1 extra week if no new names will be proposed)?" Results are | 15:41 |
| openstack | yes (5): bauzas, casanch1, DinaBelova, SergeyLukjanov, pafuent | 15:41 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, u're quick :) | 15:41 |
| DinaBelova | okay | 15:42 |
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| bauzas | ok, one last point about PTL responsibility for choosing the name if none proposed in 3 wks | 15:42 |
| bauzas | PTL is DinaBelova | 15:42 |
| DinaBelova | ok, I'll set voting for it too :) | 15:42 |
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| DinaBelova | #startvote Is PTL responsible for choosing name if no variant will be chosen during first 3 weeks? yes, no | 15:43 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Is PTL responsible for choosing name if no variant will be chosen during first 3 weeks? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 15:43 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | #vote yes | 15:43 |
| bauzas | #vote yes | 15:43 |
| pafuent | #vote yes | 15:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #vote yes | 15:43 |
| casanch1 | #vote yes | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | #endvote | 15:43 |
| openstack | Voted on "Is PTL responsible for choosing name if no variant will be chosen during first 3 weeks?" Results are | 15:43 |
| openstack | yes (5): bauzas, casanch1, DinaBelova, SergeyLukjanov, pafuent | 15:43 |
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| DinaBelova | ok, great | 15:43 |
| bauzas | one last point, about how we elect the names if proposed ? | 15:43 |
| bauzas | CIVS ? | 15:44 |
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| DinaBelova | bauzas, I'm ok with that | 15:44 |
| bauzas | which electors ? | 15:44 |
| bauzas | open contributions ? | 15:44 |
| bauzas | I would really love having open voting :) | 15:44 |
| bauzas | as my team is really concerned about the name change :) | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas - all contributors who were taking part in climate/its client/climate-nova | 15:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | personally I prefer open voting | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | mmm | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | okay | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | that's good idea | 15:45 |
| bauzas | we can vote on it | 15:45 |
| bauzas | only contributors or open | 15:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I mean open to see vote marks | 15:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but I'm not sure how should be in electorate | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, mm, sorry? | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | personally | 15:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for savanna I'm set the following process - only ATCs votes for the new name | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | I think that only contributors may take part here | 15:46 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, +1 | 15:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | with two round elections | 15:46 |
| pafuent | ATCs? | 15:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | first round - filter out ~5 name options | 15:46 |
| bauzas | I think that's not cool :( | 15:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and discuss them | 15:46 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | the second round - voting to choose exactly the new name | 15:46 |
| pafuent | CIVS? | 15:46 |
| ddutta | Sergey: only ATCs for the project or ATCs | 15:46 |
| bauzas | ATC = Active Tech Contrib | 15:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | pafuent, ATC == active tech contributor | 15:47 |
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| pafuent | Thanks | 15:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ATCs for the project | 15:47 |
| bauzas | CIVS = Condorcet voting systems | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | pafuent, CIVS is used in OS, for example, to choose PTLs | 15:47 |
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| pafuent | Ahh | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 15:47 |
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| DinaBelova | so variants are | 15:47 |
| ddutta | I think you should have all ATCs :) | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | 1/ electorate == all ATCs | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | 2/ ATCs for climate related repos | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | 3/ anyone at all | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | I believe 1/ is good enough | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, your thoughts? | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | ddutta, so you are more likely to support 1/ too :) | 15:49 |
| ddutta | :) | 15:49 |
| ddutta | yes 1) | 15:49 |
| bauzas | ok for the options, we can go to the vote | 15:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | enyone to propose the name and collect all folks votes and project's ATCs to vote for the new name | 15:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anyone* | 15:49 |
| bauzas | that's a 4th option | 15:49 |
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| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, sorry, can't get your idea with "name and collect all folks votes and project's ATCs to vote for the new name" | 15:50 |
| bauzas | 4/ anyone who proposes or is ATC | 15:50 |
| DinaBelova | may you explain? | 15:50 |
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| DinaBelova | oh, ok | 15:50 |
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| bauzas | ok, then we can go to the vote | 15:50 |
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| bauzas | quite an hard vote to express :D | 15:50 |
| DinaBelova | yeeep | 15:51 |
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| bauzas | give only figures, not names as choices, and explain the choices | 15:51 |
| bauzas | so we could vote either 1, 2, 3 or 4 | 15:51 |
| ddutta | if you want another name for a lease project it could be charter | 15:52 |
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| bauzas | ddutta: we are having an etherpad :) | 15:52 |
| DinaBelova | #startvote Who will be electorate? ATCs, climate_ATCs, everyone, ATCs_and_name_declarants | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Begin voting on: Who will be electorate? Valid vote options are ATCs, climate_ATCs, everyone, ATCs_and_name_declarants. | 15:52 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:52 |
| bauzas | #vote ATCs_and_name_declarants | 15:52 |
| DinaBelova | #vote ATCs_and_name_declarants | 15:52 |
| pafuent | #vote ATCs_and_name_declarants | 15:52 |
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| DinaBelova | I did it :D I created vote! yay :) | 15:53 |
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| casanch1 | #vote ATCs_and_name_declarants | 15:53 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, ddutta? | 15:53 |
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| bauzas | DinaBelova: well done ;) :D | 15:53 |
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| ddutta | where is the etherpad | 15:54 |
| ddutta | sorry .... | 15:54 |
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| DinaBelova | in topic name | 15:54 |
| DinaBelova | but we have no variants now... | 15:54 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov? Vote? | 15:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #vote ATCs_and_name_declarants | 15:55 |
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| bauzas | we need to be quick | 15:55 |
| DinaBelova | ok, I'm closinf vote | 15:55 |
| DinaBelova | #endvote | 15:55 |
| bauzas | we're close to the end of the meeting :) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Voted on "Who will be electorate?" Results are | 15:55 |
| openstack | ATCs_and_name_declarants (5): bauzas, casanch1, DinaBelova, SergeyLukjanov, pafuent | 15:55 |
| DinaBelova | yep | 15:55 |
| bauzas | cool thanks people | 15:55 |
| DinaBelova | we have some more important topic | 15:55 |
| bauzas | one last point, about the number of rounds, I like SergeyLukjanov's proposal | 15:55 |
| DinaBelova | yep, me too | 15:55 |
| DinaBelova | I may use #agreed here | 15:56 |
| DinaBelova | not to waiste time | 15:56 |
| ddutta | DinaBelova: ether pad link? | 15:56 |
| bauzas | ok with ti | 15:56 |
| bauzas | ddutta: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-new-name | 15:56 |
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| DinaBelova | #agreed use 2 cycle name changing (leave 5 names after 1st round, 2nd - define name) | 15:56 |
| bauzas | ok, agree for a 2nd round vote | 15:56 |
| bauzas | ok | 15:56 |
| bauzas | last topic ? | 15:57 |
| bauzas | a big one | 15:57 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Summit talks | 15:57 |
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| DinaBelova | yep | 15:57 |
| bauzas | 3 mins to discuss it | 15:57 |
| DinaBelova | I only want to meantion | 15:57 |
| bauzas | way too short | 15:57 |
| bauzas | oh, go ahead | 15:57 |
| DinaBelova | that we'll have mostly like 2 topics there | 15:57 |
| DinaBelova | about Climate itself and it's further steps | 15:57 |
| bauzas | a 3rd one needs to be envisaged | 15:57 |
| DinaBelova | and more oriented on physical reservations/thechnical staff | 15:58 |
| DinaBelova | that was 1 :) and 2) | 15:58 |
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| DinaBelova | I'll create google drive doc | 15:58 |
| DinaBelova | and share it | 15:58 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: +1 | 15:58 |
| DinaBelova | to create proposals | 15:58 |
| DinaBelova | and send them next week | 15:58 |
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| DinaBelova | #topic Open discussion | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: climate)" | 15:58 | |
| bauzas | we need to send them by Feb 14 | 15:59 |
| DinaBelova | i have nothng to discuss :) | 15:59 |
| DinaBelova | yep | 15:59 |
| bauzas | nothing special, I'm nearly done with the first patchset for Pecan :) | 15:59 |
| bauzas | I'll promote it | 15:59 |
| DinaBelova | good :) | 15:59 |
| DinaBelova | bye! | 15:59 |
| bauzas | bye ! | 15:59 |
| pafuent | bye | 15:59 |
| casanch1 | bye! | 15:59 |
| DinaBelova | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Feb 7 15:59:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2014/climate.2014-02-07-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2014/climate.2014-02-07-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2014/climate.2014-02-07-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| VINOD_ | It seems vishy is still not connected | 16:03 |
| VINOD_ | Anybody there for the meeting on Hierarchical Multitenancy topic | 16:03 |
| tellesnobrega | i am | 16:04 |
| tiamar | me too | 16:04 |
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| VINOD_ | Hi to all | 16:05 |
| raildo | me too | 16:05 |
| schwicke | hi, all | 16:06 |
| ddutta | dumb question: whats hierarchical multi-tenancy | 16:07 |
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| VINOD_ | In the mean time, can i post a blueprint abuot Domain Quota which i am working currently | 16:08 |
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| VINOD_ | Hi vishy | 16:11 |
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| tiamar | hi VINOD_ , tiago martins here :) | 16:11 |
| VINOD_ | Hi Tiago | 16:11 |
| vishy | jhi guys | 16:11 |
| vishy | sorry i'm late | 16:11 |
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| schwicke | Hi Vishy, Hi Tiago. This is Ulrich | 16:11 |
| raildo | hi vishy, no problem | 16:11 |
| tellesnobrega | no problem | 16:12 |
| vishy | #startmeeting Hierarchical Multitenancy | 16:12 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Feb 7 16:12:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:12 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Hierarchical Multitenancy)" | 16:12 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hierarchical_multitenancy' | 16:12 |
| vishy | #topic Role Call | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Role Call (Meeting topic: Hierarchical Multitenancy)" | 16:12 | |
| vishy | who all is here? | 16:12 |
| VINOD_ | Vinod here | 16:12 |
| schwicke | Ulrich here | 16:12 |
| tiamar | Tiago here | 16:13 |
| raildo | raildo here | 16:13 |
| tellesnobrega | Telles here | 16:13 |
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| vishy | #topic POC Discussion | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "POC Discussion (Meeting topic: Hierarchical Multitenancy)" | 16:14 | |
| vishy | has anyone had a chance to experiment with my POC? | 16:14 |
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| VINOD_ | yes | 16:14 |
| VINOD_ | i have looked into it | 16:14 |
| vishy | comments/feedvack/issues? | 16:15 |
| VINOD_ | I think the main issue is how nova will come to know the complete hierarchy | 16:16 |
| vishy | VINOD_: why does it need to know the complete hierarchy? | 16:16 |
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| VINOD_ | I guess it has to | 16:17 |
| VINOD_ | lets say i have authenticated by generating a token at level 2...now i want to get some information from level 4...Am i going to put all the ids/names upto level 4 in the URL.. | 16:18 |
| raildo | When you list the instances, for example, will be listed all the hierarchy, or just design it is authenticated? | 16:18 |
| VINOD_ | or if i am asking blindly given me something at level4 | 16:18 |
| VINOD_ | my token is at level 2...then how nova knows that i am asking something at level 4 | 16:18 |
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| VINOD_ | and the token is at level 2 and so prefix will match | 16:18 |
| vishy | if you want to limit your scope to level4 then you should reautenticate to level4 | 16:19 |
| vishy | although this could also be solved by allowing you to limit the scope of a token you have | 16:19 |
| vishy | but in general reauthenticating seems like it might be easier | 16:20 |
| VINOD_ | Then if i want to manage all the children from level 2...i need to every time switch levels | 16:20 |
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| vishy | it depends on what you mean by manage | 16:20 |
| VINOD_ | I mean lets say i want to run a query at sub projects of level 3...then i have to switch the context for each sub-project at level 3..i cannot have the token at level 2 and do all the things without switching | 16:21 |
| VINOD_ | Then what about quotas | 16:21 |
| schwicke | a token issued at level 2 will be valid for all operations on level two AND below, right ? | 16:22 |
| tellesnobrega | VINOD_: ++ | 16:22 |
| VINOD_ | But here it is not happening | 16:22 |
| VINOD_ | i have to switch from one child to another child of level two and limit my scope | 16:22 |
| vishy | the point is that you can do everything for the projects below | 16:22 |
| VINOD_ | How..if nova does not know the hierarchy... | 16:23 |
| vishy | the only command that works across multiple instances at once is list | 16:23 |
| VINOD_ | the same problem i am facing right now in setting the quots | 16:23 |
| vishy | so quotas can use prefixes as well | 16:23 |
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| VINOD_ | in nova, the quota of a project does not have information about to which domain it belongs | 16:23 |
| vishy | it would in my model | 16:23 |
| VINOD_ | ok | 16:23 |
| vishy | all of the things in the system would move from project_id -> hierarchical.project_id | 16:24 |
| VINOD_ | ok | 16:24 |
| vishy | so you just walk back up the list achecking quotas | 16:24 |
| vishy | VINOD_: to your first point, if we do have other actions on multiple instances then the rescoping starts to become painful | 16:25 |
| vishy | but as it is today, I don't think it is too bad | 16:25 |
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| VINOD_ | For example, i want to list all VMs created by sub-projects of a parent project....will it be possible | 16:26 |
| VINOD_ | if i authenticate and set my scope at parent project | 16:26 |
| vishy | VINOD_: well it would be more of a client side filter in this case | 16:26 |
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| vishy | i think the id vs. name thing is a bit of a problem | 16:26 |
| vishy | since if you can list across multiple projects you need to as a user see which instances belong to which project | 16:27 |
| VINOD_ | If we use name, the name can be repeated at different branches...which will create more problem | 16:27 |
| vishy | and a long.string.of.ids | 16:27 |
| vishy | is not readable | 16:27 |
| vishy | i'm thinking that we may need to keep track of scope_name in addition to scope_id | 16:28 |
| raildo | vishy: +1 | 16:28 |
| vishy | so that we can use the name for display for the user | 16:28 |
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| VINOD_ | ok | 16:28 |
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| schwicke | +1 | 16:28 |
| vishy | then the client could limit the scope for a query | 16:28 |
| tellesnobrega | vishy: can you give an example on how will this work? | 16:29 |
| vishy | and in fact it could be added to the list command | 16:29 |
| vishy | tellesnobrega: which specifically | 16:29 |
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| vishy | so the filter could be done server side for certain objects | 16:29 |
| tellesnobrega | vishy: how the names would be shown to the user, keeping track of scoped_name and scoped_id | 16:29 |
| vishy | right now we have nova list --all-tenants | 16:29 |
| vishy | we could have | 16:29 |
| vishy | nova list --scope=orga | 16:30 |
| vishy | or something | 16:30 |
| VINOD_ | and will be there any config option to limit the maximum hierarchy level that one can go upto | 16:30 |
| vishy | so you would see a field called something like "scope" in the instance list | 16:31 |
| vishy | VINOD_: that seems interesting | 16:31 |
| vishy | like max depth | 16:31 |
| VINOD_ | Yes..otherwise it can become messy | 16:31 |
| VINOD_ | with long list of subprojects ids..or names.... | 16:31 |
| vishy | VINOD_: although that isn't particularly easy to do in the db | 16:31 |
| tiamar | +1 | 16:31 |
| vishy | so it might have to be a python filter | 16:32 |
| tellesnobrega | vishy: +1 | 16:32 |
| vishy | some of them support regex so you could have a regex filter in addition to the prefix match | 16:32 |
| vishy | to only allow a certain number of separators | 16:32 |
| VINOD_ | ok | 16:32 |
| tiamar | the root could store the number of leaves or depth | 16:32 |
| schwicke | the maximum depth should be configurable though rather than hard coded | 16:33 |
| vishy | tellesnobrega: so I would think we would have to keep the name in the database as well in that case which is nasty | 16:33 |
| schwicke | was discussing this recently with Vinod. I think it is a must | 16:33 |
| vishy | tellesnobrega: for the name question. I really don't have a good answer for this | 16:33 |
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| vishy | schwicke: it could be kind of like ldap | 16:34 |
| vishy | where you can use SCOPE_BASE, SCOPE_ONELEVEL, or SCOPE_SUBTREE | 16:35 |
| vishy | or we could have it be an arbitrary depth number | 16:35 |
| schwicke | vishy: actually, we were thinking of a configuration parameter in nova.conf which can only be changed by the cloud owner | 16:36 |
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| schwicke | to keep it simple | 16:36 |
| vishy | schwicke: as in maximum number of depth allowed? | 16:36 |
| vishy | for search or for project creation? | 16:36 |
| schwicke | vishy: yes | 16:36 |
| schwicke | for project creation | 16:36 |
| tellesnobrega | vishy: schwicke, why is it so important to have a max depth? keep balance in the tree? | 16:36 |
| vishy | schwicke: that makes sense | 16:37 |
| schwicke | motivated by experience from other services with our users | 16:37 |
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| vishy | i ssupect it is useful at the very least because some projects may have limits about the size of the field used to store the ids | 16:37 |
| schwicke | who are complex organizations by themselves | 16:37 |
| tiamar | schiwicke : that seems like a quota for domain that was proposed a few wweks ago | 16:37 |
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| vishy | ok so I will have to think about the name thing a bit more | 16:38 |
| VINOD_ | Vishy: I think, we have two ways for nova to know the hierarchy. One is nova always asks keystone to known the hierarchy whenever is required or every service keep the hierarchy information with them..But both have some advantages and disadvantaes.. | 16:38 |
| schwicke | tiamar: except that in our case introducing domains is not enough | 16:38 |
| vishy | one option is to just make the owner field based on names instead of ids as ayoung suggested in his email | 16:38 |
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| vishy | VINOD_: i have been trying to avoid keeping that information out of the services | 16:39 |
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| VINOD_ | I think its not a question of ids or names...its all about deciding whether a query fired by a user with a scope can run that query or not... | 16:39 |
| VINOD_ | if you store it with ids or names, any way the service has to talk to keystone to see the query fired for some project comes under the scope or not | 16:40 |
| vishy | the whole point of doing it as a hierarchy is you can make that decision without knowing the whole hierarchy | 16:40 |
| vishy | via prefix matching | 16:40 |
| vishy | if you get rid of that basic idea you might as well do the whole thing as a bunch of tags | 16:40 |
| raildo | I believe it is a problem Nova to keep asking the keystone due notifications that are not well implemented. | 16:40 |
| VINOD_ | Let me give an example, project A -> project A1 -> project A2 -> project A3. Now if lets say a user has created a VM at project A3. The nova will have only information that a VM exists for project A3. Now i have authenticated with a scope at Project A1. | 16:41 |
| vishy | the "owener " of the VM is A1.A2.A3 | 16:42 |
| VINOD_ | If i want to list VMs comes under all levels of project A1...nova first has to talk to the keystone..to get which are all the project lies beneath project A1 | 16:42 |
| vishy | so what is the problem? | 16:42 |
| vishy | no it doesn't | 16:42 |
| vishy | it does a prefix match | 16:42 |
| vishy | that is the whole idea of the POC | 16:42 |
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| vishy | ok we only have 15 minutes left | 16:43 |
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| vishy | so next steps | 16:44 |
| tiamar | so the table for instances stores A1.A2.A3 ? | 16:44 |
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| vishy | #topic Next Steps | 16:44 |
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| VINOD_ | That's exactly my point... | 16:44 |
| vishy | tiamar: correct | 16:44 |
| VINOD_ | ok | 16:44 |
| vishy | the poc does this today | 16:44 |
| vishy | but it uses ids.stuck.together | 16:45 |
| vishy | which means there is no good way to display to the user which project it is from | 16:45 |
| vishy | there are other places where we need the project name in nova so perhaps the right way here is just to ask keystone for the name of the project when we need it and cache the value | 16:45 |
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| vishy | i'm a little bit happier about that than I am about asking for the whole hierarchy | 16:46 |
| VINOD_ | ok | 16:46 |
| vishy | so the purpose of the poc was to create something so we could see what else is missing | 16:46 |
| vishy | so we could add a few features / refine it | 16:46 |
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| vishy | for example, someone could attempt to add the project_name query and caching | 16:47 |
| vishy | or someone could attempt to implement a single level of quotas | 16:47 |
| vishy | someone could actually modify keystone to send scope in the token separately from project_id | 16:47 |
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| vishy | someone could try making keystone have nested projects and send a bigger scope | 16:47 |
| vishy | these could all be useful things to take to the summit in Atlanta | 16:48 |
| vishy | does anyone feel like tackling any/all of these things | 16:48 |
| vishy | the alternative is we create a more detailed design explaining the solution | 16:48 |
| vishy | and have a couple of discussions in atlanta | 16:48 |
| VINOD_ | We could do some thing on quota... | 16:49 |
| VINOD_ | Tiago: what do you say | 16:49 |
| VINOD_ | we have already done some implementation of quotas with domains... | 16:49 |
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| VINOD_ | and projects and users | 16:49 |
| schwicke | maybe we can extend that to the POC | 16:50 |
| tiamar | VINOD_, schwicke : i think extending to the poc is a good idea | 16:50 |
| VINOD_ | Yes, definitely myself schwicke can do it | 16:50 |
| VINOD_ | i will try to do it | 16:50 |
| VINOD_ | any deadline? | 16:51 |
| tiamar | I'm thinking on the keystone part | 16:51 |
| schwicke | next meeting I guess :) | 16:51 |
| vishy | no deadline | 16:51 |
| tiamar | the new policy json already define some important roles for multitenancy | 16:51 |
| tellesnobrega | im not sure yet, but maybe me and raildo can tackle one of the solutions | 16:51 |
| tiamar | yeap | 16:51 |
| raildo | +1 | 16:51 |
| VINOD_ | So, i will check on quotas | 16:51 |
| tiamar | tellesnobrega, raildo : on keystone, right? good. | 16:51 |
| raildo | yes | 16:51 |
| tellesnobrega | tiamar: yeap | 16:52 |
| vishy | #action schwicke, VINOD_ to try to stick hierarchical quotas in the poc | 16:52 |
| vishy | #action vishy to experiment with name caching | 16:52 |
| vishy | ok next week we can take a look at anything that is produced | 16:53 |
| VINOD_ | ok | 16:53 |
| tiamar | #action raildo tellesnobrega to work on nested projects | 16:53 |
| tellesnobrega | ok | 16:53 |
| VINOD_ | thank you vishy | 16:53 |
| vishy | putting more levels in keystone and actually passing the scope separately would be cool | 16:53 |
| vishy | alright | 16:53 |
| vishy | I will see you guys next week! | 16:54 |
| tellesnobrega | see you | 16:54 |
| schwicke | see you! | 16:54 |
| VINOD_ | see you....bye... | 16:54 |
| raildo | bye | 16:54 |
| VINOD_ | Wishing all a nice weekend | 16:54 |
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| vishy | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
| vishy | #helpp | 16:54 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Feb 7 16:54:34 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
| vishy | #help | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-02-07-16.12.html | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-02-07-16.12.txt | 16:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-02-07-16.12.log.html | 16:54 |
| vishy | there we go meetbot was just slow | 16:54 |
| tiamar | bye | 16:55 |
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| VINOD_ | bye | 16:56 |
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| dolphm | vishy: you're doing two meetings today on multitenancy, correct? | 17:10 |
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| vishy | dolphm: no incorrect | 17:17 |
| vishy | that was the only one | 17:17 |
| dolphm | vishy: ah, alright... i'll update my calendar then :) | 17:18 |
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