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fungistoryboard meeting's supposed to be in here, right?15:01
fungior was it not moving to 15:00 utc mondays until next week?15:02
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jeblairmy calendar says it is now, but in this room and meeting-315:02
jeblairthen next week and thereafter it is only in meeting-315:02
jeblairthat makes me think we should have it in meeting-3  :)15:02
ttxyes it is15:04
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rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 31 16:00:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)"16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'mistral'16:00
rakhmerovhello everyone16:00
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rakhmerovok, let's begin16:02
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NikolayMhi everyone!16:03
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rakhmerovguys, does anyone have a link to the previous meeting minutes?16:03
rakhmerovI missed it so I don't know if you captured any AI16:04
dziminehi Renat, yet and it's all posted on mistral wiki16:04
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rakhmerovhi Dmitri16:05
dziminesorry I'm late but good to have you back!16:05
rakhmerov#topic Review Action Items16:05
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rakhmerovthanks )16:05
rakhmerov1. (all) review and discuss Kirill's stub on MistralTaskflow prototype
rakhmerovwhat's on this one?16:05
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rakhmerovdzimine, I saw an email from you today about that but didn't review fully review it yet16:06
dzimineit it pretty big :)16:06
rakhmerovmay be you guys had a chance to look at it16:06
dzimineI did review it in details, and discussed briefly with Kirill,16:06
rakhmerovso this one is in progress I would say, right?16:06
rakhmerovwhat's the brief feedback?16:07
manaski've also taken a look16:07
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dziminethe next step on this is to summarize the learnings (Kirill had started) and define next steps if any.16:07
rakhmerovit's pretty important thing for us, I would encourage everyone to look at it16:07
rakhmerovI see16:07
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dzimine+1, and ask Kirill questions (right in the pull request)16:07
dzimineI would sum it up as: 1) TaskFlow can be used16:08
rakhmerovreally? :)16:08
dzimine2) there are few things to make it work inside web servcie16:08
dzimineand 3) quite a few features to add to it as a library.16:09
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rakhmerovwhat about that passive model that we have now?16:09
rakhmerovis it possible to do using taskflow now?16:09
dziminepassive is one of the things to ask and change.16:10
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rakhmerovdoes Josh agree to do that?16:10
rakhmerovor is it still the thing to discuss with him?16:10
dziminewe didn't sum up the results yet (or Kirill might have overnight I haven't seen it)16:10
dziminewe began the discussion on the mailing list; now with the prototype we can have it more concrete.16:11
rakhmerovso what's the plan?16:12
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enykeevno, there is quite a few things to add, but i want to hear your feedback first to make sure i didn't miss something important on our side16:12
rakhmerovas far as I understand once Kirill finishes that up we need to start a ML discussion and get Josh included? Right16:12
dziminere Taskflow? 0) collect your feedback 1) do the summary 2) open discussion on mailing list 3) potentially ask Joshua help with next steps.16:13
rakhmerovenykeev, I agree, we first need to research what you did carefully, I'll be able to do that tomorrow, at least mostly16:13
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rakhmerovso, let me keep this AI then16:14
rakhmerov#action (all) review and discuss Kirill's stub on MistralTaskflow prototype
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rakhmerov2.  (dzimine): plan to sum up the learning from the prototype for discussion on TaskFlow integration16:14
gokrokve_For Taskflow, I suggest you to participate in cross-project sessions and discuss Mistral as a part of the whole OpenStack ecosystem.16:14
rakhmerovI think this is pretty much the same16:14
gokrokve_Such sessions will be a part of Atlanta summit.16:15
gokrokve_Sure. I know that Solum might be interested in Mistral too.16:15
rakhmerovgokrokve_, what exact project would you suggest? Except taskflow, of course16:15
gokrokve_Solum, Heat. They expressed their interest on last summit.16:16
rakhmerovhow about Climate and Fuel?16:16
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rakhmerovFuel action already has it on their Roadmap afaik16:16
gokrokve_That is good.16:17
rakhmerovok, I know Dina was interested in it but she didn't express enough readiness to use it before it gets incubated )16:17
rakhmerovso, the 3rd AI16:18
rakhmerov3. (tnurlygayanov) plan to write new tempest tests with execution of the real workflows16:18
rakhmerovtnurlygayanov, did you have a chance to start this work?16:18
rakhmerovhowever, it might have been challenging I know since not all the changes were merged in16:19
rakhmerovok, looks like he's not here16:20
rakhmerovI'll keep this AI16:20
rakhmerov#action (tnurlygayanov) plan to write new tempest tests with execution of the real workflows16:20
rakhmerov#topic Current Status16:20
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rakhmerovguys, let's tell everyone's current status first16:21
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NikolayMI've finished work with trust16:22
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NikolayMalso today do some fix due to changing keystone client16:22
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enykeevpolished the prototype for the whole week, tried to summarize the learnings16:23
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rakhmerovenykeev, just to clarify16:23
rakhmerovdoes the codebase of the prototype correspond to the etherpad?16:24
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dzimineTimur: we didn't get any response from you guys on ci-murano failures16:24
rakhmerovI mean it would be cool to have a short list of bullet points with what it covers16:25
rakhmerovit'd be easier to review16:25
enykeevno transitions and workers16:25
rakhmerovdzimine, yeah, sorry for that. I let Timur know about it, he was busy all day today16:25
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rakhmerovdzimine, actually I confused it a little bit16:26
rakhmerovTimur looked at it16:26
rakhmerovthe thing is that our scripts changed in the patch that Winson sent, that is a reason why CI fails16:27
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rakhmerovso I would suggest we review it first (with -1 from murano-ci) and the if it's ok we'll fix murano-ci accordingly16:27
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rakhmerovto get +1 from it16:27
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ruherakhmerov: (sorry for interruption) wouldn't it be awesome to run all the Mistral tests in devstack gate?16:28
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rakhmerovit would :)16:29
ruheand you have it in your roadmap? :)16:29
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rakhmerovI believe Timur did already start looking at it16:29
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rakhmerovyes, it was a part of our plan16:29
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ruherakhmerov: we have basic devstack scripts and tempest tests for murano. we could help to drive the same for mistral16:30
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rakhmerov#action Timur, make sure to look at running Mistral tests in devstack gate16:30
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rakhmerovruhe, perfect, thanks16:30
rakhmerovwe'll bug you then with that :)16:31
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dzimine#action review ignoring -1 from murano-ci, change it once we give +116:31
rakhmerovTimur and Sergey already added some basic Tempest tests for Murano, Timur is now working on more advanced ones16:31
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rakhmerov* ... for Mistral ...16:32
rakhmerovok, my status is really quick: I was absent for a week and a half, today I did a few reviews, had several discussions with team members and processed my inbox16:32
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rakhmerovis Winson here?16:33
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rakhmerovlooks like he is not16:34
rakhmerovI saw there's a patch on review from him16:34
rakhmerovbut didn't look at it yet16:35
rakhmerovthis patch is pretty interesting btw:
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dzimineThis is the one giving murano-cli -1. I looked at it, it's all right IMO.16:36
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rakhmerovso the next topic is16:37
dzimineNicolay was asking for suggestion on this
dzimineI looked but didn't have any good advice, Renat may be you can help there.16:37
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rakhmerovyeah, I'm not quite sure I understand the problem though16:38
NikolayMfirst, we resolve all data in service_spec and in task_spec16:39
rakhmerovwhat do you mean by "resolve all data"?16:39
NikolayMbut we need to ignore service.actions.action.output16:39
rakhmerovand what method _modify_item() is generally for?16:40
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NikolayMI mean replace expressions on real data from context16:40
NikolayMmodify_item just for replacing value-expression on the value-data16:41
rakhmerovok, I see now16:42
rakhmerovso, correct me if I'm wrong, the problem is that we need to be able to validate those expressions but we can't do that until a corresponding action runs?16:42
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NikolayMyes :)16:43
rakhmerovit feels like we may need to split this functionality16:44
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rakhmerovexpression evaluation and expression validation16:44
rakhmerovin this case we could do it easily16:44
rakhmerovprobably we should have another method validate in evaluator16:45
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rakhmerov#action Find a solution for the question asked in
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rakhmerovok, let's think on that one offline16:46
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rakhmerov#topic PoC scope and readiness16:46
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rakhmerovI think we're pretty close (as usually :) )16:47
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rakhmerovManas was able to finish "repeat" property which is very very good16:47
rakhmerovit was the main roadblock IMO16:48
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rakhmerovand Nikolay finished a few important things too16:48
dzimineI recall Nicolay was planning to run POC flow against real OpenStack cluster and see how it goes. Did we try this?16:48
rakhmerovtrusts and various fixes in Data Flow16:48
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rakhmerovI saw a patch from Nikolay:
rakhmerovit is said that it has been tested on a real OpenStack16:50
NikolayMI try to create VM and I did it!16:50
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rakhmerovit's pretty simple (just creates a VM)16:50
rakhmerovyeah :)16:50
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rakhmerovwe need to move on and add more complex scenario with repeater16:51
rakhmerovI think we can finish it this week, it seems to be possible to me16:51
rakhmerovso I would suggest the following plan16:52
rakhmerov1. This week we actively work on getting PoC scenario work16:52
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rakhmerov2. Fix whatever prevents it from working correctly16:53
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rakhmerov3. At the next community meeting we discuss what we've done and make a conclusion if we're satisfied with it or not (and suggestions on how to improve it)16:53
rakhmerovso next meeting could be completely devoted to PoC scenario16:54
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dzimineso the week is focus on the changes that makes the POC working end-to-end. OK.16:54
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rakhmerovbecause I'm personally not sure if it's something that we could really make a show of :)16:55
rakhmerovlike you Dmitri said before16:55
rakhmerovand we may find better ideas on how to improve it16:55
rakhmerovwe have about 3 minutes left16:56
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rakhmerovis there anything else guys?16:56
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rakhmerovdzimine, I'll carefully review ML discussions with Joshua tomorrow (didn't finish it today) and join the conversation16:57
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rakhmerovlooks like you've done a good job on summarizing these models and differences between them (lazy engine etc.)16:58
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rakhmerovok, let's shut the meeting down then16:59
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rakhmerovthanks to everyone for joining16:59
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iron1is there an ironic meeting today?18:06
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GheRiveroin 1 hour18:07
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GheRiverolast weekend was daylight saving time Europe (at least)18:08
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iron1okay. thanks!18:08
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NobodyCam#startmeeting Ironic19:00
NobodyCam#chair devananda19:00
NobodyCamWelcome everyone to the Ironic meeting.19:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 31 19:00:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'19:00
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda19:00
NobodyCamOf course the agenda can be found at:19:00
devanandahi everyone!19:00
NobodyCam#topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements19:00
NobodyCamWho's here for the Ironic Meeting?19:00
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NobodyCamwelcome all19:00
matty_dubsUgh, I really have to practice my waving19:00
jrollmrda: bloated head today?19:00
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mrdaIt appears so19:00
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NobodyCamgreat to see everyone19:01
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NobodyCamjumpping rignt into things19:01
NobodyCamRC will be cut tonight? <- that correct devananda19:02
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devanandaNobodyCam: hopefully19:02
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devanandawe have 3 things still targeted to RC119:02
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1298529 in ironic "Missing dependencies for third-party driver causes exception traceback" [High,In progress]19:02
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1297937 in ironic "Nova ironic driver ignores the "swap" field from flavor" [Critical,In progress]19:02
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1298645 in ironic "translated .po files do not contain any translation text" [High,In progress]19:02
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devanandafirst one needs some discussion19:03
devanandasecond one has a patch in flight. any cores should go look at it19:03
NobodyCamahh .po files still seemed empty to me19:03
devanandathird one is pending a change to -infra19:03
lucasagomessecond one, there's a patch upstream19:03
lucasagomesjust need review19:03
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devanandaare there any other serious, release blocking issues19:04
devanandataht folks are aware of and need to be raised today?19:04
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lucasagomesdevananda, as part of the disk partitioning refactor it's fixing a problem that nowadays we can't have a swap partition >=102419:04
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devanandaif not, I'll tag as soon as those 3 are closed (or more accurately, I'll notify ttx that we're ready)19:04
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lucasagomesmy patches right now is a complete refactor, so it's hard to land in rc119:05
lucasagomesbut I think it worth to make a quick fix for this problem19:05
devanandalucasagomes: yea. I'm looking forward to that fix a lot, but it's too large for my comfort right now19:05
lucasagomesin rc119:05
NobodyCamlucasagomes: the parted patches19:05
NobodyCamthey do work19:05
devanandalucasagomes: how quick / small ?19:05
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lucasagomesdevananda, few lines, I would replace sfdisk with parted19:05
lucasagomesbut not encapsulate all that in a class wrapper19:06
lucasagomesNobodyCam, yeah19:06
NobodyCamdevananda: this is the end (start):
lucasagomesdevananda, or we could land the complete refactor, it fixes a bunch of other problems19:06
lucasagomeslike getting rid of the swap partition19:06
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lucasagomespartitioning layout consistency (having root always to be the last)19:07
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devanandaah, yea19:07
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NobodyCamI ran a test with it and devtest worked! I have not tested with devstack19:07
devanandalucasagomes: that's fairly important for upgrade compat, no?19:07
lucasagomesdevananda, I think so19:07
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NobodyCamlucasagomes: is it needed for the effermal stuff too?19:08
lucasagomesNobodyCam, ephemeral?19:08
devanandaNobodyCam: ephemeral suppor talready landed19:08
lucasagomesNobodyCam, yeah, it's there already19:08
NobodyCamephemeral :-p19:08
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devanandalucasagomes: thoughts on proceeding with RC1 and considering that as a back-port if needed?19:09
NobodyCam#topic Ironic RC1 milestone19:10
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NobodyCamsetting topic19:10
devanandathanks :)19:10
lucasagomesdevananda, right, so I can try tomorrow to make a quick patch just fixing the swap problem19:10
lucasagomeswhich would be easier to land in rc119:10
lucasagomesfew lines etc19:10
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lucasagomesdevananda, NobodyCam please give me an action on that19:11
devanandalucasagomes: it's the first time this project has gone through an RC/release/etc, so there's a learning curve for me here19:11
NobodyCam#action lucasagomes to add swap fix patch19:11
lucasagomesdevananda, yeah :) I think for all of us19:11
lucasagomesNobodyCam, cheers :)19:12
devanandalucasagomes: what ever is in the juno release willneed to be able to handle an upgrade from icehouse19:12
devanandabut that aside19:12
devanandai'd rather not hold the RC up if it works well enough19:12
devananda(for some value of "enough")19:12
devanandaok, i'd like to move on if there aren't other pressing release issues?19:13
lucasagomesyeah, right I will keep the upgrade thing in mind19:13
NobodyCamdevananda: I have never backported anyting for Openstack..19:13
lucasagomesnot from me19:13
NobodyCamwhat headachs are we in for19:13
devananda#topic functional testing19:13
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adam_gNobodyCam, its pretty easy once stable branches are cut19:14
devanandaNobodyCam: more like, "what headache am _I_ in for" :)19:14
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NobodyCamahh :)19:14
devanandaadam_g, NobodyCam: I think you guys have been doing a lot of the testing side of things19:14
devanandaanything to share?19:14
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NobodyCamnotice. ironic is working in DEVTEST19:14
NobodyCamjust set "EXPORT USE_IRONIC=1"19:15
mrdaNobodyCam: woohoo!19:15
adam_gtempest exercise to stress ironic+nova instance deployment is still up for review. once this merges we have a pretty good plan for getting a gate check setup that deploys using devtest and runs the subset of tempest tests we know will pass19:15
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NobodyCamlooks like the wiki even got updated19:15
devanandalifeless: hi! I saw an email from you last week that check-tripleo-ironic-seed-precise should be treated as voting now. But then I saw a bunch of failures for inconsequential changes.19:15
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adam_gslightly related--i spent some time over the weekend dusting off the compute driver unit tests and trying to make it easys for ironic devs to run them19:16
devanandalifeless: can you clarify that?19:16
devanandaadam_g: awesome. have a link to the review(s)?19:16
adam_gfunctional tempest scenario test @
adam_gunit test stuff @
NobodyCamdevananda: I think this patch got ci working:
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adam_gi'd like to work with infra on getting those tests into the ironic CI pipeline, and possibly nova's as well19:18
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devanandaadam_g: good stuff. I'll take a look after the meeting19:18
lifelessdevananda: right now tripleo-ci is down entirely, controller node (still a spof) died19:19
devanandalifeless: yuck. thanks for the update19:20
NobodyCamany one have any update on:
NobodyCambad paste19:20
NobodyCamStatus of Fedora on devstack with Ironic19:20
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matty_dubsNobodyCam: Is someone actively working on that, do you know?19:21
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matty_dubsOr, for that matter, is it broken?19:21
lucasagomesmatty_dubs, I think Dmitry from red hat is working on that19:21
lucasagomesand also devtest19:22
ifarkasNobodyCam, no update from me, I was testing devtest recently19:22
lucasagomesidk much the details tho19:22
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NobodyCamadam_g: you had a issue this morning where compute_driver did not get set correctly?19:23
lifelessdevananda: right now we're nearly back up19:23
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lifelessdevananda: but nova-baremetal on the undercloud isn't deploying anymore, which is a bit of a problem19:23
lifelessdevananda: since we can't deploy the testenv machines19:23
devanandalifeless: erm...19:23
adam_gNobodyCam, yes--a bady change got merged to devstack that broke config. should fix that19:23
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devanandayea, devstack is broken at the moment because it is setting the wrong virt_driver19:24
NobodyCamadam_g: ack.. will keep an eye on it19:24
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NobodyCamany thing else on testing?19:25
devanandanot from me19:25
devanandawow, we might get > half the meeting for open discussion :)19:25
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devananda#topic open discussion19:25
ShrewsNobodyCam: #liink ?  ;)19:26
NobodyCam#topic Food for Thought / Open Discussion19:26
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NobodyCamShrews: fir?19:26
ShrewsNobodyCam: you're previous msg19:26
lucasagomesheh if anyone has a topic maybe we should talk a bit about the moving the credentials in Ironic to another service?19:26
lucasagomesidk if you guys saw the maillist (will get the link)19:27
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devanandaI see 3 things on the agenda for open discussion19:27
lucasagomesbut there's please of options19:27
NobodyCamShrews: ahh ... tags the link for the parse bot19:27
devanandaanyone here to talk about third party CI ?19:27
vkozhukalovI have a question about organizing common parts of code in ironic and ironic-python-agent19:27
NobodyCamdevananda: not that I have seen19:27
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devanandavkozhukalov: yea, i think taht would be good19:28
lucasagomesvkozhukalov, +1!!!19:28
vkozhukalovare there any thought what is the best way to do that19:28
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devanandajroll, JayF: ^ ?19:28
lucasagomesmy only idea until now is having an ironic-common repository19:28
jrollsame for me19:28
NobodyCamare we going to need someting like a Ironic-common repo?19:28
JayFWell my first reaction is to tread lightly, because the agent is small and lightweight whereas that's not particularly a goal for ironic19:28
lucasagomesfor things that are really ironic-only19:28
devanandaso, then we're basically doing what oslo-incubator does19:28
devanandaand we should just use oslo-incubator19:28
lucasagomesdevananda, well, unless it only ironic related19:29
jrolldevananda: right, my other thought was upstreaming things there19:29
jrollbut yes, there's ironic-only things19:29
lucasagomesdevananda, for e.g, having the common/ in a common repo is beneficial19:29
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lucasagomessince the client/agent/ironic uses it19:29
lucasagomesheh :P19:29
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devanandaso using a common repo like that19:30
devanandacould, depending on how much we refactor, lead toa  testing nightmare19:30
devanandaeg, if a change in ironic and ironic-common are interdependent19:30
jrollhmm, yeah19:30
lucasagomes:/ yeah indeed, the cross-project dependency thing is complicated19:31
devanandaare we confident that all the shared things are behind good, stable APIs alraedy?19:31
lucasagomesproject repos*19:31
devananda(I'm not)19:31
vkozhukalovare we going to merge ironic and ironic-python-agent in the future? (i mean put them at the same repo)19:31
jrolldevananda: no, I'm not19:31
jrollvkozhukalov: absolutely not19:31
jrollvkozhukalov: imagine how large the ramdisk would be19:31
devanandavkozhukalov: I don't see the benefit to that. if you do, please elaborate19:31
lucasagomesvkozhukalov, I don't think so19:31
NobodyCamdevananda: I can make that claim at this point19:31
NobodyCam(are behind good, stable APIs alraedy)19:32
vkozhukalovok, got it, im just wondering19:32
jrollas I see it, if the agent imports anything from ironic, we'll have to install all of the dependencies for ironic19:32
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devanandajroll: right. that's a concern. if we "apt-get install ironic" it's going to pull in all the project's deps, too19:33
devanandawhich is bad19:33
devanandafor the ramdisk19:33
NobodyCamdevananda: +19:33
devanandaand eventually we do want the ramdisk to be buildable from packages19:33
devanandanot just source :)19:33
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devananda(just being devil's advocate) what about moving some common things into the cleint?19:34
devanandacomstud: is there precedent for a server project requiring its own client?19:34
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JayFfwiw; I have a bp open for diskimage-builder to allow the addition of coreos+container as a target ramdisk
comstuddevananda: Not that I know of19:34
comstudnova did at one point long ago in the past19:34
comstudfor the old pre-cells (zones) code19:34
JayFthis is how we will be running the agent in our deployment, and I'm willing to integrate it with diskimage-builder should the triple-o guys be willing to accept it19:34
devanandaJayF: neat! I think that's silly, but I understand your interest in it19:35
vkozhukalovdevananda: they are not client parts (disk partitioning for example)19:35
devanandavkozhukalov: indeed...19:35
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devanandacomstud: yea. what does nova / novaclient do for shared info, such as state strings?19:35
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comstudthey don't share code right now19:35
devanandacomstud: duplicate then?19:36
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jrollit's not clear to me how much code will be shared, by the way19:36
jrollor how often it will change19:36
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jrolle.g. states enums19:36
comstuddevananda: I don't think novaclient does much with them other than display them as-is19:36
devanandajroll: nor I. states are the only thing shared with the client right now afair19:36
comstudso there's really not a lot to share there19:36
jrollI would *like* to share code, but not if it's a ton of work19:36
devanandacomstud: ack19:36
devanandajroll: it may be more complexity than its worth.19:37
jrollyes, that's a better way to put it :)19:37
vkozhukalovjroll: not very much but actually as far as ironic conductor does the same things as agent does those parts will be common19:37
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devanandaconsidering we dont need the PXE driver's partitioning to support the agent's partitioning19:37
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devanandaso the code is there, and it would be /nice/ if it was shared, but I dont see it as a functional requirement19:37
jrollvkozhukalov: what kind of common things are you imagining19:37
mrdaOne small point is that the client would then inherit the release cadence of ironic itself.  i.e. follow string freeze timeline etc19:37
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jrolldevananda: +119:37
lucasagomesdevananda, +119:38
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vkozhukalovjroll: at the moment disk partitioning, software raids, lvm etc.19:38
jrollmrda: mmm.19:38
devanandamrda: hm? I dont see that yet.19:39
devanandamrda: but it's not something I actually think we should do -- was just tossing it out there19:39
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vkozhukalovdevananda: im working on those parts right now19:39
mrdaif ironic depends upon the client, then to stabalise ironic, we first need to do likewise to the client19:39
mrdadevananda: sure, I understand it's just a proposal19:40
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mrdabut it's a logical consequence19:40
devanandamrda: ahhh. yes. I see19:40
devanandamrda: and that's a very good reason not to do that :)19:40
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jrollso, my vote: let's put it off for now. if we start to see a large amount of code duplication between agent and ironic, we'll revisit.19:40
mrda(sorry if I'm sounding vague, it's early morning here and I'm pre-coffee)19:40
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NobodyCamjroll: I would +1 that19:41
devanandavkozhukalov: "software raid, lvm etc" -- how would these be shared? PXE driver can't do this19:41
lucasagomesjroll, sounds reasonable :) +119:41
NobodyCamI supect it will end up with just the states file19:41
NobodyCambut lets see19:41
devanandavkozhukalov: management of >1 disk needs to be done via ironic-python-agent, not over iSCSI connection19:42
vkozhukalovdevananda: maybe it will do that in the future19:42
devanandavkozhukalov: so actually, even the disk partitioning code that's in PXE (or proposed) will be far outgrown bythe capabilities in IPA19:42
vkozhukalovdevananda: i see19:42
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matty_dubsSorry, what is IPA?19:43
JoshNangIronic Python Agent19:43
matty_dubsI'm apparently bad at picking up on acronyms.19:43
JayFI see a day where the PXE driver is superseded by the agent being more likely than the PXE driver and IPA sharing a large quantity of code.19:43
JoshNangor tasty beer, whichever you prefer19:43
devanandaI believe we should be aiming, in the mid-to-long term, to deprecate the current diskimagebuilder's deploy ramdisk19:43
NobodyCamdevananda: >1 disk needs to be done via ironic-python-agent, only?what about vender-pass thru for bms that can handle setting raids and such19:43
devanandait's very rudimentary19:43
devanandaNobodyCam: no, those are fine. which is why we need an abstraction layer (API) above partitioning. IOW, we need a driver interface for it.19:44
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NobodyCamack :)19:44
devanandamy point is, the current deploy ramdisk can't do those things -- and teh functionailty that we rely on today (initrd exposes /dev/sda over iSCSI)19:44
devanandawill never be able to support19:44
JayFThe agent itself doesn't do partitioning right now at all. It just assumes partitions are baked into whatever raw image it's writing19:44
devanandamost of the disk-related functionality that we want to add19:44
JayFso it's completely undone in any driver atm19:44
vkozhukalovok, let's keep them independent then as jroll suggested19:45
devanandathe agent won't share (much) code with the (current) PXE driver anyway19:45
devanandait may fork lucasagomes' Partitioning patch series19:45
devanandaJayF: how do you guys feel about keeping those in sync for a little while?19:45
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NobodyCamthe current deploy ramdisk is VERY RUDIMENTARY19:45
vkozhukalovhoping to substitute pxe driver low level things with agent19:45
devanandavkozhukalov: right.19:45
JayFI haven't looked closely enough at lucasagomes's patch series to have a strong opinion19:46
devanandaJayF: ok, please do. the agent will need to support partitioning19:46
JayFbut the ability to partition at all is something that doesn't exist now, that partitioning series of patches does, so I don't forsee a reason to redo it differently19:46
lucasagomesJayF, right, it should work well stand alone, the only thing that I'm using there from ironic is the common/utils:execute()19:46
devanandaJayF: even if initially it's just as rudimentary as what the PXE driver does :)19:46
lucasagomeswhich is easily replaceable19:46
JayFlucasagomes: if you wanted to integrate them into the agent, we aren't in a feature freeze right now and would review those PRs real quick ;)19:47
jrolldevananda: keeping in sync with lucas' stuff? not a problem19:47
devanandajroll: great19:47
devanandaall that sounds good to me19:47
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lucasagomesJayF, heh ack :) cheers19:48
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vkozhukalovdevananda: jroll im going to sent review request about disk partitioning in a couple days (partly based on what lucasagomes did)19:48
lucasagomesI want to get more familiar with the agent code, so it might be a good start (gotta find some time to do that tho)19:49
jrollvkozhukalov: cool19:49
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JayFwell probably only one of you should do it19:49
lucasagomesvkozhukalov, nice, I will review that then :)19:49
devanandaany other topics for open discussion?19:49
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Shrewsdevananda: i have a small one19:49
lucasagomesJayF, +1 vkozhukalov is already on that :)19:50
NobodyCamis there a list (etherpad) for what need to be done to the drivers / ironic to work with the agent?19:50
devanandaNobodyCam: it's a new driver19:50
JayFJoshNang: do you have a MR up with the existing driver?19:50
devanandaNobodyCam: not any changes to existing drivers19:50
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NobodyCamso will end up with duplicated code?19:50
JoshNangJayF: nope. I was working on it and kept hitting the "use all my VMs memory during tests" bug and put it off19:50
JayFIt lives right now at
devanandajroll: am I correct? IPA will be used by a new driver, not the PXE driver?19:51
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jrolldevananda: yes, new driver19:51
JayFand will be submitted as a merge request sometime soon / when Juno opened19:51
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JoshNangI can probably get it up pretty quickily though. It only needs fairly small changes.19:51
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NobodyCamie disk partitioning19:51
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devanandaJayF: fwiw, i'm hoping to open juno tmw19:51
ShrewsBoth JoshNang and myself have seen the unit tests randomly fail by taking all up all available memory. I've also seen this happen in Jenkins at least once recently. Speaking with the infra folks, they suspect a race condition b/w tests, as Neutron recently had a similar problem.19:51
devanandaShrews: bug # ?19:52
JoshNangShrews: thanks for looking into that19:52
Shrewsdevananda: none yet. i can open one19:52
devanandaShrews: please do. and if we see any failures in jenkins, plesae "recheck bug ####" on them so we can track it19:53
Shrewsdevananda: ack19:53
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JayFJoshNang: ^ maybe it's worth throwing up half-done even with the tests issues to see if they fail similarly in upstream jenkins?19:53
NobodyCamShrews: please post the bug # in channel when you have one )19:53
devanandai haven't seen that one yet, but it sound painful, considering i don't run unit tests insidd a VM19:53
Shrewsit occurs quite often for me, but tracking it down is a chore19:53
Shrewsdevananda: it seemed to start occuring after i rebuilt my venv (tox -r)19:54
Shrewstox -r -epy27, specifically19:54
JoshNangdevananda: Shrews: same here, after a rebuild. Though i had it in py26 as well19:54
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Shrewsthe jenkins failure i saw was py26. i don't have that on my test machine19:54
JayFseems like we should get it reproduced in infra/jenkins, so all the logs are accessible to anyone on the bug/merge request to find19:54
ShrewsNobodyCam: ack19:54
devanandaJayF: ++19:55
NobodyCam* 5 minute bell*19:55
devanandalucasagomes: did you have something else?19:55
lucasagomesnot really19:55
lucasagomes1 thing19:56
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JayFWould it be useful if I opened up the Vagrantfile we're using for Ironic in our enviornment? It's located in an internal closed repo but could migrate it to an open repo on github if someone found it helpful?19:56
lucasagomesfor the credential stuff, do you think that we should have a design session slot for that?19:56
JayFMakes it easy to spin up VMs for working on Ironic19:56
devanandaJayF: couldn't hurt. I'd just stick it up on github somewhere and link to it from the wiki19:56
JayFYep. I'll have to extricate it from some other stuff, but I can get it done this week for sure.19:57
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NobodyCamJayF: I am now using tripleO's seed vm for most of my testing19:57
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jrollso anything else today?19:58
NobodyCamno from me19:58
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devanandaok then19:59
devanandathanks everyone!19:59
lucasagomeswell I will submit a design session talk about the v3 credential stuff, so we can approve/reject later as things goes19:59
jrollthank you!19:59
NobodyCamgreat meeting everyone ... Thank you19:59
lucasagomesthanks everybody19:59
NobodyCamlucasagomes: ++19:59
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matty_dubslucasagomes: Sounds good19:59
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matty_dubsSee ya folks.19:59
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SumitNaiksatamhi all!21:00
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banixhi everybody21:00
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markmcclainarmax, amotoki, garyk, salv-mobile: ping21:03
salv-orlandoaloha folks21:03
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markmcclain#startmeeting Networking21:03
salv-orlandoI bothered to drag myself from the couch to the desk21:03
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markmcclain#topic Announcements21:03
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markmcclainRC1 will cut following this commit:
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markmcclainonce that merges we will cut the RC21:04
mesteryYay for Icehouse RC1!21:04
Sam-I-Amdid the security group issue make it into rc1?21:05
markmcclainwe'll probably wait 1-2 days before opening the tree for Juno21:05
markmcclainSam-I-Am: yes it made Nova's cut21:05
Sam-I-Amwoohoo, thanks.21:05
markmcclainthe delay in opening the tree will making backporting any possible bugs easier21:05
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markmcclain#topic Bugs21:05
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markmcclainIf you find any bugs please tag them with icehouse-rc-potential21:06
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markmcclainif they are critical/high please contact me, so that I can make sure they are tracked if we spin an RC221:06
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markmcclainCurrently right now we are not tracking any critical bugs21:07
mesteryI'm currently investigating this one brought to my attention by the tripleo folks:
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1290486 in tripleo "neutron-openvswitch-agent must be restarted after ovsdb-server failure in order to pass traffic" [Critical,In progress]21:07
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mesteryI marked it High for now until I've done some more research, FYI.21:07
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markmcclainI've tagged that bug so that it shows up in the tracking lists21:08
markmcclainAny other bugs the team should discuss?21:08
mesteryThanks markmcclain!21:08
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rkukuramarkmcclain: The ml2 port binding bug fix is ready for review, and I think is rc-potential21:08
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salv-orlandoidk, it's weird it's been a few days that nobody pinged us with neutron fails in gate21:09
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salv-orlando+277, -169. wow. How critical is that?21:09
mesterysalv-orlando: They pinged in channel over the weekend :()21:09
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: all the stability work this cycle is finally starting to payoff21:09
salv-orlandoseems not (read what mestery wrote)21:09
markmcclainmestery: for a gate failure or just a question?21:09
mesterymarkmcclain: For the bug I mentioned, they asked for help Sunday.21:10
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salv-orlandohow is that blocking the upstream gate?21:10
mesterysalv-orlando: They didn't say, just that it was blocking their tripleo work.21:10
salv-orlandook mestery… you scared me for a bit ;21:11
mesterysalv-orlando: ;)21:11
salv-orlandobut yes, we should make sure we look at this. If it happens on ovsdb-server failures it's not a tripleo problem only21:11
markmcclainmestery: ah the bug report didn't seem to indicate that it was a gate bug21:11
mesterysalv-orlando: Exactly.21:11
markmcclainrkukura: am concerned about the size of the patch given for the RC phase21:12
mesterymarkmcclain: Not a gate bug, but a testing bug for them somehow, with long-lived tests or cases where (for some reason) Neutron comes up before OVSDB.21:12
hemanthraviI have a bug fix for oneconvergence plugin, can this be merged for icehouse-rc121:12
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1299946 in neutron "OneConvergence plugin create_network fails for external networks" [Medium,In progress]21:12
rkukuramarkmcclain: Its been simplified a bit21:12
markmcclainmestery: right long lived bugs are important too21:12
mesterymarkmcclain: I should know how big the fix will be by tomorrow, I'll keep you posted as soon as I find out.21:13
markmcclainhemanthravi: I've tagged the bug as rc potential21:13
markmcclainrkukura: understood21:13
hemanthravimarkmcclain, thanks21:13
markmcclainAny other bugs to discuss?21:13
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markmcclain#topic Docs21:14
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markmcclainemagana: hi21:14
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emaganamarkmcclain: Hi there!21:14
emaganano much to report this week. I few bugs were fixed21:14
anteayatripleo is not part of the integrated gate21:15
emaganathe work on the RedHat side made a good progress21:15
Sam-I-Amemagana: hi21:15
emaganaalso a good progress on the docs changes21:15
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Sam-I-Ami got neutron/ml2 working with rdo packages this weekend, which means we can make progress on adding ml2 to the install guide21:16
emaganaSam-I-Am has been making a great progress!21:16
mesterySam-I-Am: Cool!21:16
markmcclainemagana: good to hear21:16
markmcclainSam-I-Am: good news21:16
emaganaBig Kudos to Sam-I-Am21:16
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Sam-I-Amturns out its a rhel-specific problem with mysql 5.1 defaulting to myisam instead of innodb. myisam and utf-8 do not get along well.21:17
emaganaWill continue updating the Wiki and chasing developers who hasn't pushed their commits (including myself)  :-)21:17
markmcclainSam-I-Am:  so true21:17
Sam-I-Amcaused all sorts of foreign key referential integrity and length problems21:17
banixare Sam-I-Am and myisam related? :)21:18
Sam-I-Amits now fixed in the installation guide. should not affect anything using mysql 5.5 or mariadb21:18
Sam-I-Ambanix: lol21:18
markmcclainSam-I-Am: great21:18
markmcclainAny other doc items?21:18
Sam-I-Ammany thinks to steve gordon at redhat for the pow-wow to figure it all out21:18
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markmcclainSam-I-Am: thanks for working on the rhel docs21:19
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markmcclainemagana: you listed a few bugs where you needed specific contributors to help21:20
emaganaSam-I-Am: something else you want to add for the docs?21:20
SukhdevI had pointed out an issue with the documentation - reported it to emagana21:20
emaganamarkmcclain: All bugs are assigned so far21:20
emaganabut if not, I will chase people  :-)21:20
Sam-I-Amemagana: nope. just trying to make progress!21:20
emaganaSukhdev: Yes, I have that one in my list.. Thanks!21:20
markmcclainok great21:21
Sukhdevemagana: cool thanks21:21
emaganamarkmcclain: nothing else!21:21
markmcclainemagana: Thanks for the update!21:21
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markmcclain#topic Nova Parity21:21
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markmcclain#info obondarev has agreed to led the nova-net to Neutron migration work21:22
markmcclainOne of the bigger items for parity is nova-net to neutron migration21:22
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emaganayeah.. go for it obondarev21:22
markmcclainOleg has agreed to step up and lead the effort to work on the migration design for Juno21:23
markmcclainthis is a big task, so you're interested in contributing, please reach out to Oleg21:23
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markmcclainBig thank you to Oleg21:24
markmcclain#topic Tempest21:24
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: looks like we're getting close to enabling the full job21:25
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salv-orlandowe'll enable it once RC-2 is cut21:25
markmcclainyou're not optimistic RC1 is enough? :)21:25
* markmcclain expects an RC221:25
salv-orlandoIt never has been21:25
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salv-orlandoI'm optmistic in not expecting a RC321:26
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emaganasalv-orlando: +121:26
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markmcclainyeah I'm hoping the extra testing efforts will mean we won't need an RC3 this cycle21:26
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markmcclain#info Full tempest job be enabled following Icehouse rc221:27
markmcclainmlavalle: anything report the other tempest work?21:27
rossella_smarkmcclain: regarding the full job I just wanted to mention sdague put me in contact with the infra team, he suggested to create a background job using the existing infrastructure to be able to gather data for the neutron full job. jeblair was so kind to write this patch
mlavallewe have merged 17 api patchsets in icehouse21:28
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mlavallewe have another 10 to go. During last Tempest meeting I made the team aware that we want to merge them all21:28
mlavallethey are redy to support us21:29
salv-orlandorossella_s: is that for baseline measure?21:29
markmcclainrossella_s: perfect21:29
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rossella_ssalv-orlando: yes, it's to integrate a background job in zuul21:29
mlavalleLast week there were 5 abandoned patchsets….. 2 were restored by their original authors after contact from me21:29
markmcclainmlavalle: we've made good progress considering we have 30+ two weeks ago21:29
markmcclainmlavalle: glad that we're able to restore that work and get it include21:30
mlavalle1 was restored by me after original author said he doesn't have time anymore21:30
markmcclainoh thanks for picking that one up21:30
mlavalleand I will restore the other 2 this week. If they don't respond to my contact, I assume we are free to restore those patchsets21:30
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anteayamlavalle: ask in infra if the original author won't restore21:31
mlavallethat's all I have21:31
HenryGmlavalle: I can help picking up patches if needed21:31
markmcclainmlavalle: thanks for helping to revive the remaining few21:31
mlavalleHenryG: perfect, I'll assign 1 or 2 to you21:31
markmcclainHenryG: thanks for volunteering21:31
markmcclainAny other tempest items?21:32
mlavallethat's all I have21:32
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markmcclainmlavalle: thanks for the update21:32
markmcclain#topic L321:32
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markmcclaincarl_baldwin: looks like you've added several new items21:32
Sukhdevmlavalle HenryG: I have two tests - written up, but, was asked to pull out - shall I pass those to you?21:32
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carl_baldwinmarkmcclain: A few, yes.21:33
carl_baldwinJust a few to highlight.  First, good progress on DVR.  There is WIP code posted for L3 changes.21:33
mlavalleSuhkdev: Yes, point me to the and will pick up from there21:33
carl_baldwinAnd design documents are still up for review.21:33
markmcclaincarl_baldwin: WIP cool21:33
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carl_baldwinReports are that L2 is progressing well too.21:34
Sukhdevmlavalle: will do - thanks21:34
markmcclainright I've read through them once and had targeted another read through this week21:34
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Swamimarkmcclain: thanks21:34
markmcclaincarl_baldwin: good to hear since DVR work is also critical to Nova parity21:34
carl_baldwinWe've had some discussions about dynamic routing use cases.21:35
carl_baldwinI invite feedback and comments.21:35
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markmcclainthanks for writing this up21:35
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markmcclainwill help to focus discussion since dynamic routing can encompass many different things21:35
carl_baldwinRight, that is the idea.21:36
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carl_baldwinThere is also an implementation of a root wrap agent in review.  Check the sub team page for a link.21:36
carl_baldwinI think that is all I have this week.21:37
markmcclaincarl_baldwin: thanks for the update21:37
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markmcclainLooks like the other reports on the agenda are leftovers from prior weeks21:37
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markmcclainSo I wanted to discuss summit design sessions and Juno blueprints21:38
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markmcclain#topic Design Summit21:38
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markmcclain#link http://summit.openstack.org21:38
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markmcclainThe deadline to submit design summit sessions is April 20th21:39
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Sukhdevmarkmcclain: To propose a session, which is the minimum requirement?21:39
markmcclainso barely under 3 weeks left to submit21:39
markmcclainSukhdev: the minimum to submit a session is to propose on the website21:40
Sukhdevmarkmcclain: no need to submit any supporting documentation?21:40
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markmcclainsupport documentation is basically a must21:40
markmcclainbecause our track is typically oversubscribed by 3-4x21:41
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Sukhdevmarkmcclain: got it - thanks21:41
markmcclainsessions without blueprints are not likely to get selected for sessions21:41
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marunsessions -> sessions proposing features21:42
kanzhemarkmcclain: What is the process to determine which proposal gets a session in the summit?21:42
emaganamarkmcclain: I saw nova team using gerrit to decide about summit sessions, are you planning the same?21:42
lukegome and my colleagues are working on supporting 40+ Gbps per compute node NFV workloads over Virtio-net. working out-of-tree but hoping to join the fold in Juno. I don't know if that general theme would be a good topic for a design session?21:42
markmcclainmarun: Even sessions that don't propose feature should ideally have an etherpad with supporting info21:43
mesterylukego: I'd be interested in taliking that, though it may cross a few different boundaries.21:43
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anteayaemagana: link?21:43
markmcclainkanzhe: the ptl and core team work produce a schedule for the summit21:43
marunmarkmcclain: gotcha on the etherpad.  the talk of blueprints was confusing me21:43
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markmcclainRemember it is not first to file, so we may combine presenters and sessions21:44
emaganaanteaya: let me find the email thread21:44
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markmcclainemagana: they are using gerrit for blueprints which I will get to in a moment21:44
anteayabecause programs can't just make up random repos21:44
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lukegomestery: would be very interesting to compare notes with ODL goals in this space21:45
mesteryI think emagana was confusing BPs with summit sessions here. :)21:45
mesterylukego: Agreed!21:45
markmcclainlukego: it really all depends where that work is being done21:45
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markmcclainif there are changes to Neutron then it would fit into our track21:45
markmcclainif the changes are elsewhere then unconference time is the best venue21:46
emaganamestery: you are right! My bad!21:46
lukegomarkmcclain: it's an ml2 mechanism driver with a little incidental extension to Nova to support a feature we added to QEMU21:46
emaganamarkmcclain, mestery: yes, this is for BPs.  :-)21:46
markmcclainas in past we will be allowing folks organizing unconference time a chance to promote their session during gaps between sessions21:46
markmcclainlukego: then that does seem to fit :)21:47
markmcclainAny question on the Summit?21:47
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salv-orlandoyes, is the PTL who wil decided which sessions are approved?21:47
markmcclainsalv-orlando: yes21:47
markmcclainThat's one of the duties of the PTL21:48
salv-orlandoIs there already a rough idea of the criteria for approvals?21:48
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salv-orlandono need to answer now. But if there were some high level criteria somewhere, people will know whether their idea is suitable for being discussed in a design session21:49
markmcclainbut it is foolish to pick the topics in isolation, so typically the PTL works with the core team to select sessions which match up with the work to be completed in the upcoming cycle21:49
emaganamarkmcclain: +121:50
salv-orlandoI think you just gave probably the most importation criterion21:50
salv-orlando"work to be completed"21:50
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emaganamarkmcclain: is there any advantage on having the same discussion/session that the last summit?21:50
markmcclainsalv-orlando: correct ideally these should be immediately actionable items that we complete in the next cycle (6mos)21:50
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emaganaI already noticed some session "the same ones" that the last time.. we should let new ideas to be express, old staff should NOT be discussed, it SHOULD be implemented!21:51
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marunemagana: +1.  we have limited time, so prioritization is key.21:52
markmcclainemagana: it really all depends… sometimes we have to revisit topics because once the implementation started we discovered that there was not consensus among the team21:52
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emaganamarkmcclain: Understood and a good point!21:53
markmcclainwhen we revisit topic ideally those sessions should focus in on specific areas that caused the work to continue into another cycle21:53
markmcclainas always I do expect we'll have a few slots for items that might need more than one cycle to develop21:53
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markmcclainThe biggest way to help in planning is to file early21:55
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markmcclainit gives the community time to provide feedback on your session ideas21:55
markmcclain#topic Juno Blueprints21:56
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markmcclainSo I've been fairly quiet about this because I did not want to distract from the Icehouse work21:56
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mesterymarkmcclain: Nice! This will be great to have!21:57
markmcclainWe now have a repo similar in scope to Nova and the QA team21:57
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markmcclainin the past we have had blueprints submitted in 6 different formats21:57
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* salv-orlando waits for question about diagrams ;)21:57
markmcclainwhich has made reviewing and approving them difficult21:57
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mesterysalv-orlando: Party pooper. :)21:58
salv-orlandoI used to do wonderful things with ASCII21:58
markmcclainUsing gerrit is a temporary measure until broader tools are built to support the community21:58
sc68calHaving blueprints + design doc in one place also makes devref doc so much easier, rather than tracking down Google docs and hoping they don't disappear21:58
markmcclainsc68cal: +121:58
emaganasc68cal: great!21:58
fawadkhaliqsc68cal: +121:59
markmcclainAlso the new process will enable commenting and tracking of changes easier too21:59
salv-orlandosc68cal, markmclcain: correct under the assumption that implementation 100% follows design21:59
markmcclainI'll be sending out an email explaining how the process will work21:59
salv-orlandousually not my case21:59
mesteryAnd as salv-orlando says, we'll now get to see who's the best ASCII artist on the team!21:59
sc68caloh plus got a huge face lift21:59
sc68calit's looking pretty spiffy these days - hint hint hint21:59
mesterysc68cal: Nice nice nice! That's a great tool!22:00
sc68calgoing to party like it's 198922:00
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: so diagrams were the first issue that popped in my mind when I first started having discussions with others22:00
markmcclaindesign docs should be in RST format so that we can use sphinx to generate the docs in different formats22:00
anteayait is possible to add images in a patch: you just have to download the patch and open them locally22:00
mesterymarkmcclain: Checkout the link sc68cal shared, this could be our ticket to the diagram problem!22:00
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markmcclainascii art is one way and RST allows you to link images as well22:01
salv-orlandoI personally prefer ascii, but appreciate the RST option22:01
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sc68callooks like RST can accomodate everyone - that's got my vote22:02
markmcclainsalv-orlando: understood.. .fortunately RST is fairly lightweight markup that is easy within a basic text editor22:02
mesterysalv-orlando: +122:02
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Sam-I-Amdoes rst translate?22:02
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: RST is good for me. Docbook not.22:02
marun-1 on docbook22:03
markmcclainSam-I-Am: language translation requires external tools22:03
markmcclainOk so we're out of time for the week22:03
markmcclainPlease be on the lookout for the email on the blueprint workflow22:03
markmcclainI expect this will take a lot of the mystery out of the process and provide both the proposer, community, and core team a clear indication of the status of a blueprint22:04
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rkukuramarkmcclain: Any template, or other guidlines coming regarding content?22:05
mestery+1 to all of that markmcclain!22:05
markmcclainThanks to everyone for stopping by this week.  Please be on the lookout for RC1 as it should be cut sometime within the next 12ish hours22:05
salv-orlandoIt's funny how both "mystery" and "mysery" were semantically correct in your sentence, markmcclain22:05
markmcclainrkukura: yes I will include a sample template to add some structure to the docs22:05
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markmcclainHave a good week and talk to everyone on the ML and IRC22:06
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