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| sc68cal | Hello all, ready for some neutron ipv6? | 13:55 |
| xuhanp | hello. ready :-) | 13:57 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 22 13:59:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 13:59 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-IPv6-Subteam#Agenda_for_April_21st Agenda for today | 13:59 |
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| sc68cal | #topic blueprints | 13:59 |
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| baoli | hi | 14:00 |
| sc68cal | #announcement Neutron-Specs is up and active, all blueprints for Juno release must follow the new git based workflow | 14:00 |
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| absubram | hi | 14:00 |
| sc68cal | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Neutron Information about the new blueprint process | 14:01 |
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| baoli | I need to start working on the specs soon. | 14:01 |
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| sc68cal | yes - I saw a couple blueprints you added to the agenda exist in launchpad | 14:02 |
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| baoli | I haven't had time to put more details in them. | 14:03 |
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| sc68cal | OK. We should also take the blueprints for the dnsmasq work and put them in | 14:05 |
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| sc68cal | Either as one big blueprint or possibly as multiple blueprints - I'm thinking maybe multiple blueprints (since they already are multiple BPs) | 14:05 |
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| sc68cal | and hopefully that will help break up the big patch that shixiong has | 14:06 |
| sc68cal | into more managable chunks | 14:06 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, I will work on the security group related BP soon. | 14:06 |
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| sc68cal | refresh my memory about that one? I thought you got everything merged? or do you mean the work for triggering security group refreshing? | 14:07 |
| xuhanp | there are some egress rule, spoofing stuff as well | 14:07 |
| sc68cal | OK - cool! | 14:08 |
| xuhanp | and the discussion you have with baoli about the LLA and router interface | 14:08 |
| xuhanp | I think we still need to figure out them | 14:08 |
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| sc68cal | OK - do we have anything else to discuss, related to BPs? | 14:10 |
| sc68cal | #topic code reviews | 14:11 |
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| sc68cal | baoli: think you had some stuff on the agenda | 14:11 |
| baoli | sc68cal, regarding the radvd BP, I put some of my thoughts in the whiteboard | 14:11 |
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| sc68cal | ok - the problem with the whiteboard is it's sometimes hard to follow - we may have to forklift your concerns into the new bp | 14:12 |
| baoli | which new bp? | 14:13 |
| sc68cal | the one we'll have to create for the radvd stuff | 14:13 |
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| sc68cal | otherwise looks like you have the SNAT rules for ipv4 only in hand, just a couple nits to address. | 14:15 |
| baoli | So you want to create a new BP for that, not using the existing one? | 14:15 |
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| sc68cal | Can't use any existing blueprints in launchpad - all work for Juno must have a bp in neutron-specs | 14:15 |
| baoli | sc68cal, I thought that we have to have a bp in launchpad anyway? | 14:16 |
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| sc68cal | baoli: you are correct - just checked the wiki, yes you must have it in launchpad, then something in neutron-specs. Sorry for the mistake | 14:17 |
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| baoli | sc68cal, no problem. So in the specs, we'll refer to the bp | 14:18 |
| sc68cal | Yeah, although I think the BPs in launchpad will be pretty light on detail, and the specs will be heavy on detail | 14:18 |
| baoli | sc68cal, I agree | 14:19 |
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| sc68cal | baoli: I moved some of your agenda items from bugs to code review, since they're links to gerrit. Does anyone want to discuss them? | 14:20 |
| baoli | sc68cal, thanks | 14:20 |
| sc68cal | I think the only thing I have to say about the devstack one is possibly break it into pieces, which I put in my review comments. Otherwise looks good for both the devstack and SNAT patch | 14:21 |
| baoli | sc68cal, I'll give it a try for the next submission | 14:21 |
| sc68cal | any other code reviews? otherwise we'll go to bugs, then to open discussion | 14:22 |
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| jay-lau-513 | dansmith ping | 14:23 |
| sc68cal | #topic bugs | 14:23 |
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| sc68cal | Nothing was on the agenda for this - so we can continue right to open discussion if nobody has anything | 14:24 |
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| sc68cal | #topic open discussion | 14:25 |
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| sc68cal | So I put together an etherpad for the design summit session - to put together at least a couple topics to discuss - feel free to edit - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ipv6-atlanta-summit | 14:26 |
| sc68cal | Currently they are oversubscribed on summit sessions to available slots, by like 2.5:1 | 14:26 |
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| fifieldt | just want to say thanks to you all for the huge effort during icehouse with ipv6 - was awesome to see | 14:27 |
| sc68cal | :) | 14:27 |
| baoli | sc68cal, thanks for opening the etherpad. I'll add some stuff soon | 14:27 |
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| sc68cal | Pretty light day today, so if there isn't anything else I can give everyone back half an hour | 14:29 |
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| sc68cal | fifieldt: thanks for the praise - I agree - everyone did a fantastic job this cycle, especially since we have no cores on the subteam and it was all community driven | 14:30 |
| xuhanp | agreed. Great team to work with! :-) | 14:30 |
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| sc68cal | Alrighty then, if there are no objections, we'll meet next week! | 14:31 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 14:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 22 14:32:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-04-22-13.59.html | 14:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-04-22-13.59.txt | 14:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-04-22-13.59.log.html | 14:32 |
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| bauzas | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 22 15:00:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
| bauzas | hi all | 15:00 |
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| PaulMurray | hi | 15:00 |
| tianst | hi | 15:00 |
| jay-lau-513 | hi | 15:00 |
| mspreitz | o/ | 15:00 |
| bauzas | nice to see people there :) | 15:01 |
| bauzas | waiting one more min and then we start | 15:01 |
| PaulMurray | finally worked out the time zone | 15:01 |
| YorikSar | bauzas: Hi :) | 15:01 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: hi ! j | 15:01 |
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| bauzas | #topic Open action items | 15:02 |
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| bauzas | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-04-15-15.00.html | 15:02 |
| bauzas | quite simple, there were 3 actions from one single person last week :) | 15:03 |
| bauzas | luckily, I know him | 15:03 |
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| bauzas | so, all, you can look at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gantt | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gantt#Developer_Summit_Sessions | 15:04 |
| bauzas | here is the etherpad link for proposals | 15:04 |
| bauzas | I went thru all the open subjects | 15:04 |
| bauzas | maybe I missed some | 15:04 |
| bauzas | so feel free to add/amend the etherpad if so | 15:05 |
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| bauzas | the best would be that mikal and johnthetubaguy would take note of this page | 15:06 |
| jay-lau-513 | Not sure if http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/262 can be put to gantt? | 15:06 |
| bauzas | jay-lau-513: good question | 15:06 |
| jay-lau-513 | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/262 is for dynamic scheduling | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | jay-lau-513: I think that some gantt people would love joining the discussion | 15:06 |
| bauzas | jay-lau-513: even if it's not purely related to gantt | 15:07 |
| jay-lau-513 | Great, the dynamic scheduler can work for nova, cinder even neutron etc | 15:07 |
| bauzas | jay-lau-513: IMHO, this service should be linked someway to gantt | 15:07 |
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| mspreitz | 262 is related to 400 | 15:07 |
| jay-lau-513 | but we can first start from nova for this | 15:07 |
| mspreitz | I see Gantt as preparing for both | 15:07 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: +1 | 15:08 |
| bauzas | the problem is see here is the chicken-and-egg one | 15:08 |
| bauzas | as gantt is currently not yet delivered, it can't be leveraged for this purpose | 15:08 |
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| bauzas | but possibly it should help | 15:09 |
| mspreitz | I do not see a circle of dependency | 15:09 |
| mspreitz | 262 and 400 depend on Gantt, not the other way around | 15:09 |
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| bauzas | well, let's discuss about this topic later in the meeting | 15:10 |
| jay-lau-513 | mspreitz yes, 262 is for dynamic schdulig and seems 400 is still for holistic static placement | 15:10 |
| bauzas | I also had an action for linking Gantt wiki with Nova one | 15:11 |
| bauzas | that's done : | 15:11 |
| bauzas | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova#Active_Sub-teams: | 15:11 |
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| bauzas | the last action I had, about creating a 2nd blueprint for the sched forklif | 15:12 |
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| bauzas | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/isolate-scheduler-db | 15:12 |
| bauzas | the nova-specs patch has to be sent | 15:12 |
| bauzas | let's move quickly to the next topic | 15:13 |
| bauzas | so, we'll have time for discussions :) | 15:13 |
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| bauzas | #topic Status on forklift efforts | 15:13 |
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| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82133/ | 15:14 |
| bauzas | if people have time for reviewing it, that would be great | 15:14 |
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| bauzas | I made a dependency on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86988/4 | 15:15 |
| bauzas | any comments yet ? | 15:15 |
| bauzas | I take it for a no :) | 15:16 |
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| bauzas | as said, I also began working on another blueprint | 15:16 |
| bauzas | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/isolate-scheduler-db | 15:16 |
| bauzas | the idea is to have the scheduler only accessing compute_nodes db table | 15:17 |
| YorikSar | bauzas: I guess that should be related to no-db-scheduler | 15:17 |
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| bauzas | YorikSar: that's a separate blueprint | 15:17 |
| bauzas | IMHO | 15:17 |
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| bauzas | YorikSar: at the moment, scheduler is not only accessing compute_nodes, but also aggregates, services etc. | 15:18 |
| YorikSar | bauzas: Sure. I see. | 15:18 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: so there is need to modify the calls | 15:18 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: for baby-stepping, I was planning to only refactor the changes and isolate all the calls into the next scheduler client lib | 15:19 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: but that needs to be debated | 15:19 |
| bauzas | both in terms what and how :) | 15:19 |
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| bauzas | YorikSar: correct me if I'm wrong, but no-db sched is planning to rewrite accesses to compute_nodes table ? | 15:20 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: only | 15:20 |
| YorikSar | bauzas: Yes. It isolates only nodes/services/hoststates. | 15:21 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: I saw your patches | 15:21 |
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| bauzas | YorikSar: I would love discussing it in the next second topic | 15:21 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: because we need to see when you plan to deliver it | 15:22 |
| YorikSar | bauzas: Looking forward to it :) | 15:22 |
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| bauzas | ok, any other comments about the forklift ? | 15:23 |
| bauzas | fyi, as the sched-lib blueprint is close to be accepted, I'll publish a first patch for implementing it, next week | 15:23 |
| bauzas | ok, next topic | 15:24 |
| bauzas | #topic Juno summit design sessions | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | again, the etherpad | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Gantt-summit-sessions | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | so, jay-lau-513, do you prefer I remove mention to 262 ? | 15:25 |
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| jay-lau-513 | bauzas, you mean remove 262 from gantt session? | 15:25 |
| bauzas | jay-lau-513: from the etherpad, at least :) | 15:26 |
| bauzas | we still have to discuss with mikal to see how many sessions we will have | 15:26 |
| bauzas | and if there is need to group some proposals | 15:26 |
| jay-lau-513 | bauzas, ok, but does gantt will handle dynamic schduling in the future? | 15:27 |
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| bauzas | maybe russellb is knowing how many sessions we will have for scheduler ? | 15:27 |
| bauzas | jay-lau-513: maybe that could be discussed during http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/140 | 15:27 |
| bauzas | jay-lau-513: I mean, Gantt scope should be considered therer | 15:28 |
| bauzas | there | 15:28 |
| jay-lau-513 | bauzas: OK, no problem | 15:28 |
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| bauzas | jay-lau-513: so, do we keep track of your proposal as gantt related subject ? | 15:28 |
| jay-lau-513 | I think that we can merge it to 140 | 15:29 |
| jay-lau-513 | bauzas: make sense? | 15:29 |
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| bauzas | jay-lau-513: when do you plan to implement 262? | 15:29 |
| mspreitz | My estimation is that scheduling will get few slots, 142, 2562, 400 will get merged into 140 | 15:30 |
| jay-lau-513 | bauzas: You mean implement code or just spec :-) | 15:30 |
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| bauzas | jay-lau-513: I mean implementation | 15:30 |
| mspreitz | s/2562/262/ | 15:30 |
| jay-lau-513 | mspreitz: Agree | 15:30 |
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| jay-lau-513 | bauzas: In Juno if approved, but not sure in which sprint. | 15:31 |
| bauzas | jay-lau-513: that sounds a big baby here :) | 15:31 |
| jay-lau-513 | bauzas: I also discussed with someone, many of them prefer a new project for this :) | 15:31 |
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| bauzas | jay-lau-513: who's someone ? :D | 15:31 |
| jay-lau-513 | bauzas: let me check my email | 15:31 |
| bauzas | jay-lau-513: ok, I see | 15:31 |
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| bauzas | jay-lau-513: no worries | 15:32 |
| bauzas | jay-lau-513: I remember the discussion in the ML | 15:32 |
| bauzas | jay-lau-513: but as mspreitz said, it could possibly need Gantt | 15:32 |
| bauzas | for implementation | 15:32 |
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| bauzas | jay-lau-513: ok, let's amend the etherpad for merging 140 and 262, and let's discuss it in the etherpad | 15:33 |
| jay-lau-513 | bauzas: Exactly, gantt is th ebase | 15:33 |
| jay-lau-513 | the base | 15:33 |
| jay-lau-513 | bauzas: OJK | 15:33 |
| jay-lau-513 | ok | 15:33 |
| jay-lau-513 | bauzas: http://markmail.org/message/5zotly4qktaf34ei | 15:34 |
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| bauzas | #action bauzas to merge http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/262 into http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/140 in the etherpad | 15:34 |
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| * bauzas loves to see his name | 15:34 | |
| bauzas | ok, any other sessions to mention? | 15:35 |
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| mspreitz | I have been thinking about 99 | 15:35 |
| mspreitz | that email just cited mixes 99 and 262 | 15:35 |
| mspreitz | I was willing to accept 99 as a separete, small scope thing | 15:35 |
| mspreitz | but that email links to bigger ideas | 15:35 |
| bauzas | sounds lik | 15:35 |
| mspreitz | I agree that 99 can be seen as part of bigger things | 15:36 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: sounds like 99 is the first step for 262 | 15:36 |
| mspreitz | Exactly, let's do 99 as a baby step first | 15:36 |
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| bauzas | will also amend the etherpad if so | 15:36 |
| jay-lau-513 | bauzas mspreitz yes, 99 is the first step for many projects ;) | 15:36 |
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| bauzas | well, the no-db sched effort would love discussing about 99, I bet :) | 15:37 |
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| bauzas | maybe I'm wrong, YorikSar ? | 15:38 |
| bauzas | :) | 15:38 |
| bauzas | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/99 | 15:38 |
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| YorikSar | bauzas: I won't come to summit but someone will definitelly come to discuss further directions in that. | 15:38 |
| jay-lau-513 | the nova spec for 99 is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88983/ | 15:38 |
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| bauzas | YorikSar: well, the idea of persisting hints would impact no-db sched efforts I suppose | 15:39 |
| bauzas | so, indeed, that would be worth discussing it at summit time | 15:39 |
| bauzas | jay-lau-513: I added myself to the reviewers for the spec | 15:40 |
| YorikSar | bauzas: I'm not sure about that. no-db part is about host states, not about resources themselves. | 15:40 |
| jay-lau-513 | bauzas: yes, I think 99 does deserve a small session though it is straigforward, but it has some interation with other blueprints | 15:40 |
| jay-lau-513 | bauzas: great :) | 15:40 |
| bauzas | jay-lau-513: will try to take time to review it | 15:40 |
| bauzas | anyway, that's a good transition for... | 15:41 |
| jaypipes | so many Jays... my IRC is just lighting up. :) | 15:41 |
| bauzas | #topic no-db scheduler | 15:41 |
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| bauzas | YorikSar: you're up | 15:41 |
| bauzas | :) | 15:41 |
| jay-lau-513 | jaypipes sorry for the confuse :-) | 15:41 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: glad to see you took the blueprint | 15:41 |
| YorikSar | I've picked up Alexey's work in Nova. | 15:41 |
| YorikSar | Currently it looks like technical part works. | 15:42 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: could you please summarize a bit on what you're doing? | 15:42 |
| YorikSar | (at least Jenkins is not complaining) | 15:42 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: I saw some patches | 15:42 |
| mspreitz | jay-lau-513: should that change be linked to bp? | 15:42 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: do you need reviewing help ? | 15:43 |
| jay-lau-513 | mspreitz which change? | 15:43 |
| YorikSar | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/no-db-scheduler,n,z - this patch series | 15:43 |
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| YorikSar | I'd appreciate anyone besides bots to take a look at it. | 15:43 |
| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/no-db-scheduler,n,z | 15:43 |
| bauzas | (for minutes) | 15:43 |
| YorikSar | I still have 2 -2's because I need to write blueprint to nova-specs and get it approved (again) | 15:44 |
| jay-lau-513 | YorikSar I will add myself as reviewer | 15:44 |
| YorikSar | bauzas: thanks. I forget about those all the time | 15:44 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: ok, let us know when you're done with the spec, so we can review it | 15:44 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: that's already in my review list | 15:44 |
| YorikSar | I asked our Rally team to stress-test that code to see if there're more errors to be fixed. | 15:45 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: cool | 15:45 |
| YorikSar | jay-lau-513, bauzas: Thanks, I'm looking forward to your -1's (with comments) :) | 15:45 |
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| bauzas | YorikSar: you know how I love reviewing your code ;) | 15:45 |
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| YorikSar | bauzas: It's Alexey's code with couple of bugs fixed by me | 15:46 |
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| YorikSar | bauzas: So you'll have to try to love reviewing his code too ;) | 15:46 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: ;) | 15:46 |
| YorikSar | I guess we can add an action item for me to publish spec. | 15:47 |
| bauzas | #action YorikSar to publish nova-spec for no-db scheduling blueprint | 15:47 |
| bauzas | there it is | 15:47 |
| YorikSar | bauzas: cool | 15:48 |
| bauzas | thanks for your support :) | 15:48 |
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| bauzas | YorikSar: is that basically ready for reviewing or do you plan further bugfixing ? | 15:48 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: as you mentioned, Jenkins is happy but still :) | 15:49 |
| YorikSar | bauzas: It's ready. Except for Memcached part that laks both unittests and real-world testing. | 15:49 |
| YorikSar | I'll mark that one as WIP | 15:49 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: cool thanks | 15:50 |
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| YorikSar | Oh, I can't :( | 15:50 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: ok, no worries, just put a comment then | 15:50 |
| YorikSar | I'll -1 it :) | 15:50 |
| bauzas | sure thanks | 15:50 |
| bauzas | can we move to open discussion ? | 15:50 |
| YorikSar | sure | 15:50 |
| bauzas | #topic opens | 15:50 |
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| bauzas | there, 10 mins to go | 15:51 |
| bauzas | any subject to raise? | 15:51 |
| bauzas | any miss I made ? | 15:51 |
| bauzas | any complain to do ? | 15:51 |
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| YorikSar | How often are we going to have these meetings? | 15:52 |
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| jay-lau-513 | Does the meeing time always UTC 15:00 every Tuesday? | 15:52 |
| bauzas | every Tuesday | 15:52 |
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| bauzas | jay-lau-513: indeed | 15:52 |
| jay-lau-513 | bauzas: ok | 15:53 |
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| bauzas | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Scheduler | 15:53 |
| YorikSar | Great. It's hard to remember when to expect every-other-week meetings. Good to have a weekly one :) | 15:53 |
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| bauzas | well, I think we'll only have one left before summit | 15:54 |
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| bauzas | maybe on May 6th, but that's close to summit dates | 15:54 |
| bauzas | ok, any other things to discuss ? | 15:55 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: I had no time for reviewing yet (Monday was off in France), but I'll do it for your patches on extended RT | 15:55 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: I saw some new patchsets | 15:56 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: s/extended/extensible/ | 15:57 |
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| bauzas | ok, thanks all for your presence | 15:57 |
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| bauzas | let's discuss next week | 15:58 |
| bauzas | thanks | 15:58 |
| bauzas | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 22 15:58:18 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-04-22-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-04-22-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-04-22-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 22 17:01:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rally)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:02 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais meteorfox msdubov ping | 17:02 |
| msdubov | boris-42, hi | 17:02 |
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| meteorfox | boris-42: hi | 17:02 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders ping | 17:02 |
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| marcoemorais | boris-42: hi | 17:02 |
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| boris-42 | kun_huang ping | 17:03 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin hi | 17:03 |
| rediskin | hi | 17:03 |
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| kun_huang | boris-42 hi | 17:04 |
| kun_huang | let's meeting :) | 17:04 |
| * boris-42 kun_huang is ready to have some meeting | 17:04 | |
| boris-42 | ^_^ | 17:04 |
| boris-42 | so let's start | 17:05 |
| kun_huang | boris-42 chen is pregnant, so it is a little hard for her being online at this time | 17:05 |
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| boris-42 | kun_huang oO nice =) | 17:05 |
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| boris-42 | kun_huang ok it's good that you are here so you'll be able to share info | 17:06 |
| rediskin | congratulations :) | 17:06 |
| boris-42 | okay lets start=) | 17:06 |
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| boris-42 | #topic PERFORMANCE GATES FOREVER!! =) | 17:06 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin could you share with others | 17:06 |
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| boris-42 | rediskin with your graet work =) | 17:06 |
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| rediskin | now we can easyly add rally-jobs. it is now as easy as python-jobs | 17:07 |
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| rediskin | but | 17:07 |
| rediskin | we have to make scenarios work out-of-the-box | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | rediskin i think it's only related to nova benchmarks | 17:08 |
| rediskin | without editing image_id and other stuff | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais should finish his patch soon | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais ^ | 17:08 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: ack | 17:08 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: saw your comments on review | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais we will discuss it after this topic | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | =) | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | So for others that are not related to gates | 17:09 |
| boris-42 | there is new gate in rally | 17:09 |
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| boris-42 | it's called check-rally-dsvm-rally | 17:09 |
| boris-42 | it will run 1 task with bunch of benchmarks | 17:10 |
| rediskin | this job just run tests_ci/scenarios/rally.yaml | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | and upload html with results | 17:10 |
| rediskin | so we need to add to this yaml as many scenarios as possible %) | 17:10 |
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| meteorfox | boris-42: where in the tree is the code for this gate? ;) | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | yep so we will put in rally.yaml all benchmarks | 17:10 |
| rediskin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86945/ | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox it's not in tree yet | 17:10 |
| rediskin | currently gates seems broken | 17:11 |
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| meteorfox | ok | 17:11 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox here is successful run http://logs.openstack.org/45/86945/15/check/check-rally-dsvm-rally/780bb2e/logs/devstack-gate-post-test-hook.txt.gz | 17:11 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox on bottom you can see table with result | 17:12 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: thanks | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | but it's now a bit complicated | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | in future after this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89562/ | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | we will get html plots=) | 17:12 |
| meteorfox | awesome | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | does anybody has any question?) | 17:12 |
| marcoemorais | agree this is pretty nice | 17:13 |
| kun_huang | love it | 17:13 |
| msdubov | boris-42, so the output is equivalent as if we run it with the -vd option? | 17:13 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov link was log* | 17:14 |
| rediskin | msdubov: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86945/17/tests_ci/rally-gate.sh | 17:14 |
| boris-42 | msdubov that allows to troubleshot | 17:14 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov but it will be as well plots | 17:14 |
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| msdubov | boris-42, rediskin Yep I see | 17:14 |
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| boris-42 | if morder or clarkb merge our patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89562/ =) | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | so okay let's just move to next topic | 17:15 |
| rediskin | why merge out? merge in =) | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | our* | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | not out lol | 17:15 |
| rediskin | %) | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | >< | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | #topic pre processing of args | 17:15 |
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| meteorfox | boris-42: will they gate have the concept of thresholds, say, like tolerating that the certain metric is +/- 10%, and have absolute limits? | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox I think in half year we will be able to make something like that | 17:16 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox or year | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | =) | 17:16 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: cool | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox it's hard cause node pool has absolutely different nodes | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | and normalization in benchmarking is quite complex stuff | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais ping | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais your turn | 17:17 |
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| marcoemorais | boris-42: so open question is to add types | 17:17 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: types will be more generic way to apply transformation | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86116/ | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais so I think that Types will be simpler to organize code | 17:18 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: idea of types is to create a class which has a transform method | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | and it will be simpler to understand | 17:18 |
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| marcoemorais | boris-42: for now the only 2 Types are Image and Flavor | 17:19 |
| meteorfox | marcoemorais: sorry, I still no too familiar with the code base, what kind of Types are we talking about? benchmark types, results types? | 17:19 |
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| marcoemorais | meteorfox: Types are objects inside of our scenario config | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox we are speaking about input arguments | 17:20 |
| meteorfox | gotcha | 17:20 |
| rediskin | kinda OpenStack objects types, like Image, Snapshot, Volume, Network? | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/doc/samples/tasks/nova/boot-and-delete.json#L5-L6 | 17:20 |
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| marcoemorais | meteorfox: given a Type — you can do a transform on that type to normalize it to be consistent with what the scenario expects | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | so we would like to be able to specify not only image_id | 17:20 |
| meteorfox | ok, now I understand, thanks | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | we would like to specify image: {"id": some_id} or image: {"name": some_name} | 17:21 |
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| boris-42 | image: {"reg": some_reg} | 17:21 |
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| boris-42 | and now marcoemorais made patch that allows us to do any transformations | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | cause we are not able to use image name inside benchmark | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox cause it will be huge overhead inside benchmark (e.g. if you would like jus to show() image) overhead will be almost x2 | 17:22 |
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| boris-42 | so there are 2 ways to resolve issue | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | more abstract | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | e.g. transformations | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | that can transfer input kwargs in any way | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | or "types" | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | that can transfer only one argument to something | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox rediskin ^ | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | As at this moment we have only Image and Flavor types and I don't think that we will have such multi arg transformations | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | it is better to keep things simpler | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | and use just types | 17:23 |
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| meteorfox | ok | 17:24 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42 meteorfox where in the source tree should I put types under rally/tree/master/rally/benchmark/types? | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox yep | 17:24 |
| msdubov | boris-42, So having types as you suggested won't make it obligatory to specify them in the docstring as well, if I understand that correctly | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais yep | 17:24 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov probably we can reuse them | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | msdubov for it as well | 17:25 |
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| boris-42 | so marcoemorais ok? | 17:27 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42 meteorfox: yes, one more small issue — for regex, we will use "first match" or fail on ambiguity? | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais validation stuff should fail | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais and say multiply images possible | 17:28 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42 ok | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | ,marcoemorais as well for name | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | so next topic? | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | #topic tempest & rally integration | 17:29 |
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| boris-42 | sdague probably will be interesting for you^ | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | So actually I will just make some update | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | So there are 2 parts: | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | 1) verification part | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | 2) benhmarking part | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | In verification part | 17:30 |
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| boris-42 | We have: 1) tempest conf generation 2) support of work with multiply clouds 3) parsing results to json and storing in rally db | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | 4) and base operations to work with results, e..g show/detailed/results commands | 17:31 |
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| boris-42 | About benchmarking part | 17:31 |
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| boris-42 | The base patch that adds possibility to run any tempest test as benchmark was merged | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | http://pavlovic.me/rally/tempest.html <- here is the sample of output | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | so actually there will be couple of improvements | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | A) we will mesure not only total duration (setUp, runTest, tearDown) but as well just of runTest in atomic actions | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | B) we will support running different tests simultaneously (this will be super usefully for testing races in tempest tests) | 17:33 |
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| boris-42 | Actually here is the patch | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86836/ | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais meteorfox msdubov hughsaunders kun_huang rediskin any questions ^ ? | 17:34 |
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| msdubov | msdubov, nope | 17:35 |
| msdubov | boris-42, nope | 17:35 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: high level question, what is distinction btwn use of tempest for benchmarking and use of rally scenarios for benchmarking? | 17:35 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: +1 marcoemorais question | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais rally benchmarks are more benchmarks lol=) | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | e.g. we don't have mess of setUp/tearDown and running benchmark | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | and we have powerful mechanism of context classes | 17:37 |
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| boris-42 | + we are able to collect much more results | 17:37 |
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| boris-42 | using atomic actions and in future I'll add collecting of all python clients calls (equivalent to http calls) | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | that is unfortunately impossible with tempest unit tests | 17:37 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: I mean here, until rally, we did look at tempest (functional test) output as mini-benchmark, but it isn't as powerful as what we are doing with rally | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais meteorfox ^ | 17:38 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais you disagree with this?) | 17:39 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: so why is tempest integration needed, I think that's my question. :) | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox the answer is simple | 17:39 |
| kun_huang | boris-42 I think marcoemorais don't know this intrgration | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox 1) tempest has a bunch of validation tests (every day more) | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | so running it to validate cloud is I think most proper way | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | 2) why we need benchmarks from tempest tests? | 17:40 |
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| boris-42 | there are couple of things | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | 1) helping improving tempest (removing race conditions) | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | 2) simple way to repeat race conditions from gates | 17:41 |
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| boris-42 | 3) if you have something already implemented in tempest (some complex scenario) that you would like to run in rally you don't need to port it | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox ^ | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox so as it was not hard to integrate tempest in Rally => why not?) | 17:42 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox I mean benchmarking part* (verification part was quite tricky) | 17:43 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: ok, I see. I'm concerned with new users, won't they be confused and prefer to write the benchmarks in tempest, where instead they should use Rally scenarios? | 17:43 |
| kun_huang | btw reproduce race conditions is to use 'rally task start <path-to-tempest-scen>' ? | 17:44 |
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| meteorfox | boris-42: I see the value of "perf testing" tempest scenario, and testing for race conditions, but not so much as for a meaningful workload on the whole system. | 17:45 |
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| meteorfox | boris-42: but I might not be understanding all of it. | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox if user would like to use tempest to benchmark cloud we should let him | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox it's his wiliness imho | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox our goal is to make it simple as possible | 17:46 |
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| meteorfox | boris-42: cool, ok. | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox why we should decide for others?) | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox my goal is to make it simple and it is all | 17:47 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: true, I agree. :) | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox if it will be simple -> it will be popular -> many developers will start benchmark -> we will fix openstack | 17:47 |
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| boris-42 | -> I will resolve my current task -> my boss happy -> me happy=) | 17:48 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: lol | 17:48 |
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| boris-42 | Okay let's move to next topic | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | #topic new output table | 17:48 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov could you share with your ideas | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | about new output | 17:49 |
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| msdubov | boris-42 Yep | 17:49 |
| msdubov | So basically the idea is to make the CLI output less messy | 17:49 |
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| msdubov | A reasonable first step seemingly would be to merge the 2 output tables | 17:49 |
| msdubov | Namely the result table and the atomic action table | 17:49 |
| msdubov | Here are 2 possible ways to do that: http://paste.openstack.org/show/76661/ | 17:50 |
| msdubov | Any ideas on what looks better? | 17:50 |
| meteorfox | msdubov: still loading for me :/ | 17:50 |
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| msdubov | Note that here I removed the "success/total" column | 17:51 |
| kun_huang | msdubov opening it | 17:51 |
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| msdubov | And moved it to the parens | 17:51 |
| msdubov | in "count" | 17:51 |
| msdubov | Hopefully it is still clear enough, what "(0.7)" means there | 17:51 |
| meteorfox | did it open for anyone? | 17:51 |
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| kun_huang | meteorfox html title is loaded, but content not | 17:52 |
| msdubov | meteorfox, Seems that it hangs :( | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | msdubov you gave us some strange link | 17:52 |
| msdubov | An alternative link: http://pastebin.com/ps3bDrM9 | 17:52 |
| marcoemorais | meteorfox: open for me, either table seems fine, but maybe the first is a little more typical (eg total at bottom rather than top) | 17:52 |
| msdubov | marcoemorais, Yes, but the last row is also the most important one... | 17:53 |
| msdubov | That's why I proposed the second table | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | +1 | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | I lie first one | 17:53 |
| meteorfox | msdubov: I agree with marcoemorais | 17:53 |
| marcoemorais | msdubov: the % success (7/10) is still a problem for me, but I don't have an idea how to improve that | 17:53 |
| kun_huang | +1 for first one | 17:53 |
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| boris-42 | yep | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | so everybody decided to use first one | 17:54 |
| kun_huang | but which is better, 0.7 and 70% | 17:54 |
| msdubov | Ok, thanks. Any ideas on what to do with success % ? | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | kebray 70% | 17:54 |
| marcoemorais | msdubov: unless you have a row that is titled num failed or something that just has 3 in 'count' column and 'NA' in all other colums | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | msdubov 70% | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | msdubov btw do we need count at all? | 17:54 |
| meteorfox | msdubov: for the order of the columns, though, wouldn't avg, min, max, 90%ile, 95%ile be a better order? | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox yep agree min/agv/max is better then max/avg/min | 17:55 |
| msdubov | msdubov Not sure, the order also requires discussion | 17:55 |
| msdubov | boris-42, Ok! | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | about count it should be last column | 17:55 |
| msdubov | boris-42, But meteorfox actually suggested avg/min/max | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | I think at least | 17:55 |
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| marcoemorais | msdubov: btw: enhancement would be to allow user to specify a % (some users will have a specific SLA to meet eg 98.5% of all requests <= y response time and will want rally to report that | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | I think min/avg/max is probably better cause it raises from left tto right | 17:56 |
| msdubov | boris-42, Agree | 17:56 |
| meteorfox | msdubov: I think in order in order is better, what boris-42 suggested. min/avg/max | 17:56 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: agree with count as last colum | 17:56 |
| msdubov | marcoemorais, Yep, I think we'll add custom percetiles soon | 17:57 |
| meteorfox | msdubov: what about %error? | 17:57 |
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| boris-42 | yep % instead of 0.7 will be better imho | 17:57 |
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| msdubov | meteorfox, boris-42, Perhaps than we can make a separate column for success %? | 17:57 |
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| msdubov | It will have data only for the "total" row | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | yep | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | so to columns | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | count | success | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | ? | 17:57 |
| msdubov | boris-42, How do you imagine that? | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | 2 columns* | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | two* | 17:58 |
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| msdubov | boris-42, Yep | 17:58 |
| kun_huang | boris-42 success (70%) should be the first column or last? | 17:58 |
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| msdubov | And success % only for the last row ("total")? | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | msdubov it can be done for all columns | 17:58 |
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| boris-42 | =) | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | msdubov okay we can discuss this in rally caht | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | cause time is up | 17:59 |
| msdubov | boris-42, Yep | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 22 17:59:22 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-04-22-17.01.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-04-22-17.01.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-04-22-17.01.log.html | 17:59 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 18:00 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, fmarco76, nkinder | 18:00 |
| gyee | \o | 18:00 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:00 |
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| lbragstad | dolphm: hey | 18:00 |
| bknudson | dolphm: hi | 18:00 |
| dolphm | stevemar: thanks :) | 18:00 |
| stevemar | greetings keystoners | 18:00 |
| bknudson | stevemar: hi | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | Oh lookie | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | it's that time | 18:00 |
| topol | o/ | 18:00 |
| stevemar | dolphm, np, got your back | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | stevemar: you tricked me :) | 18:01 |
| stevemar | lbragstad, moi? impossible? | 18:01 |
| atiwari | o/ | 18:01 |
| ayoung | (゜.゜) | 18:01 |
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| ayoung | (゜o゜) | 18:01 |
| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 22 18:01:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| nkinder_ | hi all | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | alright, i was waiting on sched.org... but that looks like it's going to take more than a couple minutes... | 18:02 |
| dolphm | anyway: | 18:02 |
| dolphm | #topic Icehouse released! | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | w00t! | 18:02 |
| ayoung | ＼(◎o◎)／ | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | woot woot | 18:03 |
| dolphm | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2014-April/000225.html | 18:03 |
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| topol | Great job! Congrats!!! | 18:03 |
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| topol | Lot of great stuff in icehouse | 18:03 |
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| nkinder_ | woohoo! | 18:03 |
| dolphm | "Thanks to the hundreds of people who contributed to this development cycle and helped in making this release great!" <-- i can't echo that enough! | 18:03 |
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| ayoung | Here's a special thank you to our own Atlas. Three cheers for the PTL. Well done, dolphm | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 18:04 |
| gyee | good stuff! | 18:04 |
| topol | +++++ | 18:04 |
| stevemar | +++ | 18:04 |
| dolphm | it's been surprisingly quiet on the bug front, so i'm hesitantly excited about that too :P | 18:04 |
| topol | Great job dolphm!!! | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | +++++ | 18:04 |
| dolphm | ayoung: danke | 18:04 |
| atiwari | +++ | 18:05 |
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| dstanek | ++ | 18:05 |
| jamielennox | ++ | 18:05 |
| dolphm | more fun stuff... | 18:05 |
| dolphm | #topic Design summit schedule | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 18:06 |
| dolphm | i *just* pushed a tentative schedule to sched.org a few minutes ago, so the keystone track should appear there at some point ^ | 18:06 |
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| dolphm | in the mean time, it looks something like this: | 18:07 |
| dolphm | #link http://i.imgur.com/Mglw49y.png | 18:07 |
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| bknudson | 8 sessions? | 18:07 |
| dolphm | this is very much a first draft: timeslots WILL be shuffled, etc | 18:07 |
| dolphm | bknudson: yes | 18:07 |
| dolphm | bknudson: one fewer than previous summits due to the cross-project tack | 18:08 |
| dolphm | track* | 18:08 |
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| topol | dolphm, looks good | 18:08 |
| nkinder_ | more reason to schedule a mid-cycle hackfest | 18:08 |
| dolphm | nkinder_: ++ | 18:08 |
| topol | in San Antonio. Bring the pace pciante salsa | 18:08 |
| nkinder_ | ..get a rope | 18:08 |
| topol | ++ | 18:09 |
| dolphm | we should also be a bit more organized for topics outside of formal design sessions | 18:09 |
| gyee | just look for dolphm at the developer's lounge | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | mid-cycle fun again! | 18:09 |
| nkinder_ | yeah, there are some topics that would be nice to discuss that aren't in the sessions | 18:09 |
| dolphm | gyee: you should be able to look for a keystone flag or something :) | 18:09 |
| dolphm | gyee: not sure how it's all going to work yet | 18:09 |
| gyee | grease him with beer, money, or whatever | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, whiskey | 18:09 |
| topol | those breakfast burritos were good. I hope the lamb food truck is there this time | 18:09 |
| bknudson | if we're going to discuss service catalog we should consider what we're going to do with templated catalog | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++++ | 18:10 |
| bknudson | since it seems to be getting left behind | 18:10 |
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| gyee | morganfainberg ++ | 18:10 |
| ayoung | Leav it behind | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i'm kindof for making it disappear. | 18:10 |
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| topol | how do we know there arent folks relying on it? | 18:10 |
| ayoung | it can easily be supported by SQL, or a KVS impl, so why keep a readonly, hard coded version? | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, its suboptimal on many fronts. | 18:10 |
| gyee | bknudson, catalog is a big elephant we need to tackle | 18:10 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg, bknudson: does anyone use it? | 18:10 |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, unfortunately we do | 18:10 |
| * ayoung is visualizing gyee tackling an elephant. It is quite entertaining. | 18:11 | |
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| morganfainberg | dstanek, but it caused us major issues so we will move off it as soon as possible | 18:11 |
| ayoung | dstanek, we deprecate, and see if anyone shouts | 18:11 |
| dolphm | topol: lack of bug reports, for starters. we're aware of issues that our users don't seem to care about | 18:11 |
| bknudson | you can't get a v3 token using the templated catalog now | 18:11 |
| gyee | ayoung, I mean elephant in the room, american thing, you don't want me to translate into other language | 18:11 |
| dolphm | i'd be happy to fix it if there are users | 18:12 |
| ayoung | WE NEED V2 /V3 INTEROP OR WE WILL NEVER GET PEOPLE TO V3 | 18:12 |
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| morganfainberg | this sounds like a ML topic to me | 18:12 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i suspect that will be a significant topic for the client session | 18:12 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | probably x-posted to operators | 18:12 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, wasn't there a miniscule patch that did the "chop v.20" off the endpoints? | 18:12 |
| dolphm | ayoung: that landed | 18:13 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i think it's in 0.7.0 | 18:13 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: it got merged - it doesn't really cover everything though | 18:13 |
| ayoung | Ah...I was looking for it. Good. | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | preferably I'd like that mail to be out there before we hit the summit so we have some information | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | if needed i can write that email up. | 18:13 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I realize, but its a start | 18:13 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, what critical is missing? | 18:13 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: i'd like to tackle that v2 deprecation bp in the next coupld weeks | 18:14 |
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| ayoung | I mean, aside from support for other services....anything specific to Keystone> | 18:14 |
| ayoung | ? | 18:14 |
| jamielennox | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81146/ | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yeah good plan | 18:14 |
| topol | dolphm in any of the federated sessions can we discuss audit support for federated environments? | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | topol, i thiink the answer is "we should emit audit for it" | 18:14 |
| dolphm | topol: i think it's a given that we'll need to emit the appropriate audit notifications -- what is there to discuss? | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | topol, and anyone who complains about it is probably wrong | 18:15 |
| jamielennox | ah, it's been a while - i can't find the dependant one | 18:15 |
| topol | OK, so handle the details via blueprints. Thats cool | 18:15 |
| stevemar | dolphm, there are a bunch of sessions marked as unreviewed, should those be considered rejected? | 18:15 |
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| morganfainberg | topol, yep, it would be silly not to do audit | 18:15 |
| dolphm | stevemar: likely, yes - unless i meant to merge something and didn't. i updated the statuses of as few as possible in a flurry right before this meeting | 18:15 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, starrring that one... | 18:15 |
| stevemar | dolphm, cool | 18:16 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: there are a couple in my client list to do with discovery, version-less auth etc | 18:16 |
| jamielennox | the one i can't find is version-less endpoints in the catalog | 18:16 |
| jamielennox | it should dep on that one | 18:16 |
| nkinder_ | As an aside, has using gerrit for blueprints been previously discussed at all? (nova started doing this recently) | 18:16 |
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| lbragstad | I think that led into a discussion about storyboard | 18:17 |
| sjcazzol_ | I was creating an specification to add quotas for users/projects by domain in the blueprint tenants-users-quotas | 18:17 |
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| sjcazzol_ | what do you think about this blueprint? | 18:18 |
| gyee | jamielennox, is the discovery mechanism a standard or something we came up with | 18:18 |
| jamielennox | gyee: it's something that is close to standard (which is possibly worse) | 18:19 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: we forked it from nova - and made changes, other projects either did the same or came up with there own | 18:19 |
| gyee | jamielennox, I think TC should take on this one | 18:19 |
| sjcazzol_ | this blueprint is in the path to get parity on quota management with AWS | 18:19 |
| dolphm | nkinder_: yes | 18:19 |
| gyee | as it has wider impact | 18:19 |
| jamielennox | gyee: i did a spec a while ago https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VersionDiscovery | 18:20 |
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| dolphm | gyee: ++ | 18:20 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: publicised as much as i could and was well received - but who knows if people look at it | 18:20 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: the problem is no one will change because they all need backwards compat | 18:20 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: the only opposition i recall is that there's an IETF draft of something similar? | 18:21 |
| jamielennox | or at the very least we need to support older versions pre-changed because we can't afford to wait for them all to standardize | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, really an IETF draft? | 18:21 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: not an IETF thing - there's a json-home spec which one of the new projects is using | 18:21 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: well there's a few, but one actually has some traction IIRC | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | ah. | 18:21 |
| dstanek | dolphm: url? | 18:22 |
| dolphm | #link http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-json-home-02 | 18:22 |
| dolphm | not sure if that's the latest | 18:22 |
| jamielennox | AFAIK no-one is actually converting anything though | 18:22 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: thanks, i couldn't remember the name | 18:22 |
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| dolphm | #link https://github.com/otto-de/jsonhome | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | this is something the TC should weigh in on and specify a direction to take since it needs to be consistent across projects | 18:22 |
| dolphm | draft 3! | 18:23 |
| dolphm | #link http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-json-home-03 | 18:23 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i don't disagree - but we can't wait for that | 18:23 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, we may not be able to wait, but we can at least get that up for consideration with the new TC convening soon | 18:23 |
| gyee | jamielennox, wait for a consistent approach, or go alone and risk retrofit later? :) | 18:23 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, if we have a clear direction, we can figure out where we're headed and how to best get there | 18:24 |
| ayoung | gyee, or make keystoneclient own the service catalog and just solve it for everyone | 18:24 |
| jamielennox | gyee: this is client side, we are always going to have to support older versions | 18:24 |
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| gyee | retrofitting protocol is much difficult | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, ++ | 18:24 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: that is the plan | 18:24 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, we should absolutely own the SC in either case | 18:24 |
| ayoung | and policy | 18:24 |
| jamielennox | if anything this means that at least all discovery should come from one place so it should be easier to convert people later | 18:25 |
| dolphm | ayoung lost me -- this doesn't have much to do with the catalog... | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, that is a slightly different topic...but don't disagree. | 18:25 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, lets table the policy bit from this convo, it's not directly relevant | 18:25 |
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| ayoung | sure | 18:26 |
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| jamielennox | for comparison dtroyer has a similar discovery mechanism in OSC and (i think it's new again) in -SDK | 18:26 |
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| jamielennox | anything that expects to work across projects is going to have a really bastardized/hacky discovery mechanism | 18:26 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, ok so i come back to we need the TC to set the direciton then work to get from here to there -- however hacky it is. | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, but making another standard..... | 18:27 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, amen, brother | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, wait isn't there an XKCD about standards. | 18:27 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: right - but that's a future direction. we don't get to wait for interop until the TC makes all projects convert to a standard | 18:27 |
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| gyee | jamielennox, then what is TC for? | 18:28 |
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| nkinder_ | can't we do both? Start consulting with the TC, but let them know we need to forge ahead? | 18:28 |
| gyee | ceremonial? | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder_, ++ | 18:28 |
| nkinder_ | we might get at least some early guidance | 18:28 |
| jamielennox | i honestly couldn't care less what the format is, we need to get people moving to v3 and that doesn't happen until we can do discovery | 18:28 |
| ayoung | lets provide them with a solution | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder_, i think we can get an answer on where we are doing and work towards it without interop | 18:28 |
| nkinder_ | yes, we might serve as the model for the standard if we start working with the TC from the outset | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | the wiki i linked earlier was the most common elements of nova/keystone/glance etc the older projects | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | the projects that were going to find it most difficult to change | 18:29 |
| ayoung | I think what jamielennox was driving towards works for the majority of the services. The ones it doesn't work for are one-offs anyway | 18:29 |
| ayoung | and will require specific fixes that are not generalizable | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder_, we should get the TC involved before we get too deep into the impl so we don't end up with yet-another-standard | 18:29 |
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| dolphm | i suspect nottingham's proposal was at least in part a result of his time spent working in/around openstack | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: this is not creating a standard - it's reacting to existing standards | 18:30 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, please make sure the relevant reviews have keystone-core +nkinder set as reviewers | 18:30 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: i didn't think he had anything to do with openstack | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, and if we go create an implementation to solve that... without clear direction that this is the way going forward, we have created another "standard" that the new system needs to support | 18:30 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: the way i read it it was related to the json-api stuff, but it's been a while | 18:31 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: http://www.mnot.net/personal/resume.html | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, i'm not saying don't do the work, i'm saying concurrently involve the TC so we know where we need to eventually land and we don't write ourselves into a corner reacting to the current situation | 18:31 |
| topol | would it be worth an email on the mailing list to see if anyone still uses the templated catalog? | 18:31 |
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| topol | just to do a little cya for us if we pull it? | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | topol, yes. x-posted to operators list as well | 18:31 |
| topol | morganfainberg will you handle that? | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | topol, yeah was planning on it once the meeting was done since no one responded to my earlier question | 18:32 |
| topol | cool | 18:32 |
| dstanek | json-home appears to be a document format - what does that have to do with discovery? | 18:32 |
| ayoung | So...we should make a concerted push on all client issues in the lull between now and the summit | 18:32 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: awesome | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | topol, just going to ask for metrics on use not indicate we're trying to remove it. | 18:32 |
| ayoung | aside from discovery....thkns for the help thus far on comporessed tokens | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | topol, don't want to induce panic | 18:32 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: sure, that's what i tried to do with that wiki page - but client still claims compatability with like essex clouds so we are going to have to react to the current | 18:32 |
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| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-keystoneclient,n,z quite a few there still | 18:33 |
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| dstanek | it's more about navigating hypermedia to navigate the API - similar to what html provides | 18:33 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, and thats fine. lets get this on the agenda for the TC first thing and start the work now. | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, we can put some compat stuff in as needed for the old deployments | 18:33 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81166/ revocation API needs to be in the client before it is usable. | 18:34 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ++ | 18:34 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, +++++ | 18:34 |
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| nkinder_ | one other topic that would be nice to discuss at the design summit is keystone scalability/performance | 18:35 |
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| topol | morganfainberg, nice. good to not induce panic. | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox's client patches https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-keystoneclient+owner:jamielennox,n,z | 18:35 |
| stevemar | nkinder_, it doesn't do either well atm :( | 18:35 |
| dolphm | nkinder_: absolutely, and i'm sure we will | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder_, that is plan for the POD/Dev Lounge | 18:35 |
| nkinder_ | I was talking with someone last week who has a large delpoyment, and keystone is the performance bottleneck | 18:35 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74599/ that was the heart of the discussion, right? | 18:36 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: on the up side that list is the shortest it's been in a while | 18:36 |
| nkinder_ | Ok, great. I know the ephemeral token work is a part of it, but it would be good to outline a plan for other areas too | 18:36 |
| stevemar | nkinder_, <sarcasm tell them to flush tokens /> | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder_, yep, and expanding caching, working on improving SQL performance etc | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder_, lots of things to do | 18:36 |
| nkinder_ | stevemar: that was my first response, followed by reducing the token validity period :) | 18:36 |
| bknudson | a rally person was in openstack-keystone the other day discussing how they can post their results for perf tests | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | nkinder_, do they have any profiling data? | 18:37 |
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| nkinder_ | ayoung: we can get some I'm sure | 18:37 |
| ayoung | and are they on anything modern, or is this an essex setup? | 18:37 |
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| nkinder_ | once thing mentioned was scaling across cores (not just for keystone) | 18:37 |
| ayoung | (RHOS 4 I assume) | 18:37 |
| nkinder_ | ayoung: havana | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, yeah i want to sync up w/ the rally guys and get that info going in (probably on the checks) | 18:37 |
| ayoung | nkinder_, so, is the bottleneck calling Keystone from Horizon (list users etc) or token request and verification? Are they using UUID tokens? | 18:38 |
| ayoung | Or PKI | 18:38 |
| ayoung | RHOS4 == Havana for the rest of the team | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, ah yes. | 18:39 |
| ayoung | 5 will be Icehouse and so on | 18:39 |
| nkinder_ | ayoung: spinning up hundreds/thousands of new instances at once | 18:39 |
| ayoung | interesting.... | 18:39 |
| sjcazzol_ | I would discuss a bp to add quotas for the # of projects/users created by domain | 18:39 |
| nkinder_ | ayoung: this was >1000 pyhsical systems | 18:39 |
| dolphm | #topic open discussion | 18:39 |
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| morganfainberg | nkinder_, that is not exclusively a keystone issue but it's def related. | 18:39 |
| ayoung | scripted? Are they reusing tokens or getting a new one for each op? | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder_, we have had similar complaints (smaller hypervisor counts) | 18:40 |
| bknudson | I was wondering if we could discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1287301 | 18:40 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1287301 in python-keystoneclient "Keystone client token cache doesn't respect revoked tokens" [Medium,In progress] | 18:40 |
| nkinder_ | morganfainberg: sure, other areas are problems too (nova scaling across cpus, etc.) | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder_, yep | 18:40 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: looking | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder_, they were scripted against the API directly but similar issues, adding neutron in causes more pain (due to token issuance insanity) | 18:41 |
| ayoung | gyee is gone...he's the one that held up https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1287301 | 18:41 |
| bknudson | so the proposed fix was, I think, to check both the token cache AND the revocation list | 18:41 |
| ayoung | I still don't understand his concern | 18:41 |
| ayoung | I think he's wrong | 18:41 |
| bknudson | whereas before it was checking only the token cache | 18:41 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, that was my understanding | 18:41 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: i was under the impression that became a non-issue | 18:41 |
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| bknudson | which doesn't seem like a terrible thing to do | 18:41 |
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| sjcazzol_ | I would discuss a bp to add quotas for the # of projects/users created by domain in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/tenants-users-quotas | 18:42 |
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| bknudson | well, the revocation cache and the token cache were changed to have the same timeout | 18:42 |
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| bknudson | so maybe it is a non-issue? | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | sjcazzol_: i think this or something similar has been raised before | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i think it is worth revisiting. | 18:43 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yeah, his concern seems ill-=placed. I PMed him and his response still puzzles me | 18:43 |
| dolphm | sjcazzol_: it's open discussion, feel free | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | sjcazzol_, i know there is demand from my company's customers for something like that (when we move to domains) | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | "If you really want to do it right, get rid of revocation_cache_time and come | 18:44 |
| ayoung | up with a lightweight daemon process to listen on the revocation events and update the cache accordingly. Similar to how Certmonger monitoring the certificate status and perform automatic renewal." | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | sjcazzol_, so please :) lets discuss it! | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | sjcazzol_: and from memory there are two problems 1 there is no standard quotaing method in keystone or openstack 2. why? users are cheap | 18:44 |
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| ayoung | sjcazzol_, how are you going to distribute global quotas, and how are you going to enforce? | 18:44 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I can see the desire to have some kind of notification... maybe revocation events makes it a non-issue | 18:44 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, it's project quotas | 18:45 |
| ayoung | bknudson, regardless...he's wrong | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, not users. | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: users per project | 18:45 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, oh wait did i misread it? | 18:45 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, ah | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | users per domain, users per project | 18:45 |
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| morganfainberg | sjcazzol_, i'm in support of working on a quota of projects per domain | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | sjcazzol, but i don't see a value to users per domain? | 18:45 |
| ayoung | bknudson, cache is to keep from doing a validation again, but a revocation event timeout (or revocation list) still needs to be checked. It doesn't render the cache useless. | 18:46 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: is it just a billing thing? | 18:46 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, less billing more they allow anyone to create projects on demand | 18:46 |
| nkinder_ | I suppose you could prevent someone from adding 1M users that way | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, they would like to limit it because a project can consume a network | 18:46 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, etc. | 18:46 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, so you can give them a domain and they get X projects to play with | 18:46 |
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| gyee | ayoung, you have a question for me, sorry I have a shitty connection here | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, dev, stage, prod, prod2, etc but not 1000 projects | 18:47 |
| ayoung | gyee, yeah | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, you can make a policy saying "no don't do that" or you can enforce "you get X projects" | 18:47 |
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| ayoung | gyee, can you please unblock https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1287301 | 18:47 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1287301 in python-keystoneclient "Keystone client token cache doesn't respect revoked tokens" [Medium,In progress] | 18:47 |
| bknudson | gyee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78241/ | 18:47 |
| ayoung | I think you are wrong in that it does not invalidate the value of the cache | 18:47 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: fair enough, it'd be nice if this stuff was a bit more generic across openstack | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, yeah | 18:48 |
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| ayoung | cache in this case will prevent a popen openssl cms call | 18:48 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i wouldn't prefer not to have a whole quotaing system within keystone | 18:48 |
| gyee | that one doesn't *fix* the problem completely | 18:48 |
| bknudson | since https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78241/ is abandoned, may not be able to re-do | 18:48 |
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| ayoung | and you still want to check that the token is not revoked separate from cached timeout | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, ++ consistent quota system would be nice. but i don't think we have anything like that yet* | 18:48 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: is that a +1 for a standalone quota service? :D | 18:48 |
| ayoung | we can resubmit in a different reviewid if needs be | 18:48 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: i think i +1ed that a while ago | 18:49 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: there is actually an abandoned standalone quota service | 18:49 |
| sjcazzol_ | morganfainberg, what about to have quotas for user but per project instead of domain? | 18:49 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: probably so | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson we can have infra restore a review | 18:49 |
| gyee | ayoung, best we can do is reverse the order between revocation cache and token cache | 18:49 |
| ayoung | ? | 18:49 |
| dolphm | gyee: reverse the check? | 18:49 |
| dolphm | order of checks* | 18:49 |
| gyee | dolphm, yes | 18:49 |
| ayoung | gyee, that makes no sense | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | sjcazzol_, i don't see a value to limiting the number of users in that regard, what is the value / usecase? | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | sjcazzol_, users are cheap. | 18:49 |
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| gyee | right now token_cache_time have priority over revocation_cache_time | 18:49 |
| ayoung | we pull the token out of memcached first, check against the revocation list second | 18:50 |
| gyee | that patch, if implemented correct, will reverse the order | 18:50 |
| bknudson | currently we're not checking revocation list if it's in the cache | 18:50 |
| gyee | and that's it, but its still not real time | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, if we hit the cache, no popen call | 18:50 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, avoiding popen would be good? | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, doesn't mean we shouldn't also check revocation list | 18:50 |
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| gyee | morganfainberg, yes, it's only helpful if token_cache_time is much greater than revocation_cache_time | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, oh i see, no popen is needed if we check TRL first | 18:51 |
| gyee | right now they are both default at 300 seconds | 18:51 |
| bknudson | both those cache times are configurable. | 18:51 |
| gyee | lemme unblock, but that's just an half-ass solution | 18:51 |
| sjcazzol_ | morganfainberg, I think it should be to avoid performance issues | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | sjcazzol_, i would argue that limitation is premature optimisation | 18:52 |
| gyee | if you want real time check, implement a lightweight process to listen on revocation events and update the cache | 18:52 |
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| gyee | similar to certmonger | 18:52 |
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| sjcazzol_ | morganfainberg, yes | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, sure. better solution, but we should make things incrementally better if we can as well. | 18:53 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: also a standalone service on every machine with auth_token is a big ask | 18:53 |
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| gyee | jamielennox, no | 18:54 |
| ayoung | gyee, you mean thread, right? | 18:54 |
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| gyee | memcached is usually running in a ring | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, thread/process same thing right? | 18:54 |
| gyee | you just need one process | 18:54 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: on every machine? | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, when you involve external (memcache) kvs for the cache | 18:54 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, this isn't in-mem | 18:54 |
| sjcazzol_ | morganfainberg, also it could be used to charge extra money in case a domain is requesting more users/projects | 18:54 |
| ayoung | its like token_flush. | 18:55 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: i guess it depends on where memcache is | 18:55 |
| jamielennox | but i'm guessing for auth_token it's largely just on the same machine | 18:55 |
| gyee | ayoung, can't unblock, patch is abandon | 18:55 |
| ayoung | revoation list fetch could easily be done external to the flow, but it would not make a difference. | 18:55 |
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| gyee | author needs to restore it first I guess | 18:55 |
| nkinder_ | I'd like to briefly discuss the keystone security info wiki pages while we still have a few minutes (or we can take it to #openstack-keystone afterwards) | 18:55 |
| ayoung | gyee, NP. so long as you agree in principal to the direction, we can create a new review if necessary | 18:55 |
| nkinder_ | I've added a new security info page for keystone in Juno now that Icehouse has been released | 18:56 |
| gyee | ayoung, I don't agree with the current impl, but its some improvement nevertheless | 18:56 |
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| morganfainberg | sjcazzol_, sure, lets work on figuring out quota stuff and we can implement as many/few quota implements then (argue about the individual ones) | 18:56 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: ah, i thought you were referring to another web service | 18:56 |
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| morganfainberg | nkinder_, awesome! | 18:56 |
| nkinder_ | I added a new section at the bottom to cover security items that have changed since the previous release | 18:56 |
| bknudson | I asked on -infra if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78241/ could be restored. | 18:56 |
| dolphm | gyee: leave a comment that you'll unblock when the author restores? | 18:57 |
| nkinder_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Juno/Keystone#Notable_changes_since_Icehouse | 18:57 |
| gyee | dolphm, sure | 18:57 |
| nkinder_ | We have a few things in progress that I called out there (and the LDAP hashing patch that landed) | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | i hear we might have a new gerrit soon™, and i think cores will be able to restore patches for their project from abandoned | 18:57 |
| bknudson | gyee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78241/ is restored now | 18:57 |
| ayoung | gyee, I think you are caluclating wrong | 18:57 |
| dolphm | this showed up at some point: | 18:57 |
| dolphm | #link http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/keystone | 18:58 |
| dolphm | design summit schedule ^ | 18:58 |
| dolphm | (TENTATIVE) | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | cache time of 300 starts when token is validated. Revocation cache time is every 300 regardless. They do not necessarily align | 18:58 |
| dolphm | also, time's up | 18:58 |
| bknudson | looks like I don't have to show up until wed | 18:58 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, hehe | 18:58 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: cross-project tracks tuesday | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | bknudsonm there are cross project things on tuesday | 18:58 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
| dstanek | i think the cache time configuration doesn't matter - even if the values are the same | 18:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 22 18:58:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-04-22-18.01.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-04-22-18.01.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-04-22-18.01.log.html | 18:59 |
| nkinder_ | thanks everyone! | 18:59 |
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| clarkb | o/ | 19:00 |
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| zaro | o/ | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| jeblair | who else is around for the infra meeting? :) | 19:00 |
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| anteaya | mordred is on the agenda | 19:01 |
| jeblair | i put him there | 19:01 |
| anteaya | k | 19:01 |
| _nadya_ | o/ | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 22 19:01:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | agenda: | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:01 |
| jeblair | last meeting: | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-04-15-19.01.html | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | mordred to test zaro's gerrit upgrade instructions (with timing info) | 19:02 |
| jeblair | mordred: ? | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | <sigh> | 19:03 |
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| clarkb | zaro: do you know if he did that yet? | 19:03 |
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| nibalizer | im here | 19:03 |
| zaro | i do not know | 19:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 19:03 |
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| sweston | o/ | 19:03 |
| anteaya | do we have a back up plan? | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | anteaya: we trust that zaro has tested his instructions :) | 19:04 |
| anteaya | go zaro | 19:04 |
| jeblair | it would have been nice to get a second set of eyes on the process, but zaro's been working on this for a while so i assume he knows what he's doing. :) | 19:04 |
| jeblair | the backup plan is that if something goes minorly wrong, we wing it. | 19:05 |
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| * clarkb has randomly poked at it with zaro and it seems to be well handled | 19:05 | |
| jeblair | the backup backup plan is we roll back | 19:05 |
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| anteaya | good enough | 19:05 |
| sweston | I can test them! | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | which, should be fairly easy to do since i think we will be building the replacement on another host | 19:05 |
| sweston | I don't know about the timing though, someone may have to work with me on that. | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | #topic Gerrit 2.8 upgrade (zaro) | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | we might as well move into that ^ :) | 19:06 |
| anteaya | that was my understanding, this is on a new host | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/remaining-gerrit-upgrade-changes | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | sweston: i think ^ has all the info | 19:07 |
| zaro | i've verified that puppet is able to deploy review-dev and verified that review-dev is working as expected. | 19:07 |
| anteaya | sweston: I would offer to help but I still can't get current gerrit up with puppet | 19:07 |
| jeblair | zaro: awesome -- that's very reassuring | 19:07 |
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| zaro | jeblair: i've rebased my changes on top of your changes for nodepool. need that reviewed. | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | zaro: which? | 19:07 |
| zaro | anteaya: i wasn't able to either. clarkb did it for me. | 19:08 |
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| jeblair | zaro: did mordred not update the 2.8 branch for you? | 19:08 |
| zaro | jeblair: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88026 | 19:08 |
| jeblair | (i'm noticing those items are still on the list and not struck out) | 19:08 |
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| zaro | jeblair: i don't think it's been updated. but let me check again. | 19:08 |
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| sweston | anteaya: I was able to do it, fortunately :-) I am always available in IRC for questions. | 19:09 |
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| anteaya | sweston: awesome, hopefully you can follow through zaro's instructions then | 19:10 |
| sweston | yup, I will refresh my environment and then start testing this afternoon | 19:11 |
| anteaya | sweston: let me work with you on that, maybe you can teach me | 19:11 |
| sweston | anteaya: that sounds lovely. Anyone else is welcome to join, the more, the merrier! | 19:11 |
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| zaro | jeblair: looks like openstack stable-2.8 has been synced with gerrit upstream stable-2.8 | 19:11 |
| zaro | jeblair: don't know which method was used to do it though. | 19:12 |
| jeblair | zaro: doesn't matter, so what next? do we need an openstack/2.8.4 branch? | 19:12 |
| sweston | anteaya: that will work well, as I have an action item to create some documentation for the upgrade process as well. | 19:13 |
| anteaya | sweston: great | 19:13 |
| zaro | we need to update openstack/2.8 branch with commits from stable-2.8 branch | 19:13 |
| anteaya | yay docs | 19:13 |
| sweston | +1 yay docs! | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | let's focus on the branch topic for a sec | 19:13 |
| anteaya | sorry | 19:14 |
| zaro | mordred didn't do that. so anybody want to take care of that? | 19:14 |
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| * sweston gets excited too easily | 19:14 | |
| clarkb | I can create the branch if you give me a sha1 | 19:14 |
| jeblair | i'm not sure we're all following the same process here | 19:14 |
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| * clarkb holds off for jeblair to explain | 19:14 | |
| jeblair | zaro: what is the difference between the openstack/2.8 and openstack/2.8.3 branches? | 19:15 |
| zaro | i'm referring to line #7 on etherpad | 19:15 |
| jeblair | what is that branch for? | 19:15 |
| zaro | ohh, gerrit is now at ver 2.8.4 release. but more changes were added to the stable-2.8 branch. | 19:15 |
| clarkb | jeblair: its so that we didn't have to put upstream commits atop our commits | 19:15 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: so that our fork sits nicely atop upstream instead of being mixed in | 19:16 |
| jeblair | clarkb: okay, so there's an upstream/stable-2.8 branch | 19:16 |
| jeblair | that should have whatever is, well, upstream. | 19:16 |
| jeblair | usually what we do is build our version on top of releases | 19:16 |
| jeblair | so we'd branch openstack/2.8.4 from the 2.8.4 tag, then propose our modifications on top of it | 19:17 |
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| zaro | ok, that wfm | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | i think zaro is asking that we somehow do a force push to the openstack/2.8 branch, which seems to already have some commits in it | 19:18 |
| clarkb | I interpreted that as making the 2.8.4 branch | 19:18 |
| zaro | i think in this case we should just git rid of openstack/2.8 ? | 19:19 |
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| zaro | make openstack/2.8.4 instead? | 19:19 |
| jeblair | zaro: do we need anything in upstream/2.8 that is past 2.8.4? | 19:19 |
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| zaro | i assume you mean upstream stable-2.8 ? | 19:20 |
| jeblair | yeah sorry | 19:20 |
| jeblair | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/gerrit/log/?h=upstream%2Fstable-2.8 | 19:20 |
| zaro | there seems to be a major fix with secondary indexing. | 19:21 |
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| jeblair | okay, how about we branch openstack/2.8.4 from upstream/stable-2.8 so we get all of that | 19:22 |
| zaro | deadlocks in subIndex or something. | 19:22 |
| jeblair | zaro, clarkb: ^ make sense? | 19:22 |
| clarkb | yup | 19:22 |
| zaro | wfm | 19:23 |
| jeblair | zaro: then you can propose the local changes on top of that | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | #action clarkb make openstack/2.8.4 gerrit branch | 19:23 |
| zaro | ok. | 19:23 |
| jeblair | okay, let's get excited about docs now! :) | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | sweston: you volunteered to write up some docs for developers about the changes; any progress? | 19:23 |
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| sweston | jeblair: yes, but I need to dot some i's and cross some t's first. | 19:25 |
| jeblair | i think what we need is something highlighting the major differences. for example: | 19:25 |
| jeblair | 'important changes' view is going away -- how to make an equivalent custom dashboard | 19:25 |
| jeblair | workinprogress button is going away, how to use the workflow label instead | 19:25 |
| jeblair | note that the approval label is changing to workflow (but the value +1=approved is the same, and the approval process in general is the same) | 19:26 |
| jeblair | i'd like to send something out with a reminder announcement asap (ideally, today), even if it's brief | 19:26 |
| jeblair | because i don't want to tell 2000 developers after the fact that, btw, we changed your workflow. | 19:26 |
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| zaro | there are also some changes to permission, like stream events are no longer available to all registered users. | 19:27 |
| sweston | jeblair: okay, let me spend some time on it then .. I do have some other code I am trying to get merged into Neutron, so that is taking up quite a bit of my time as well. | 19:27 |
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| clarkb | zaro: we can preserve the old behavior though and hopeflly people won't notice the difference | 19:27 |
| hashar | ( for important changes maybe consider a per user version of http://status.openstack.org/reviews/ ) | 19:27 |
| anteaya | sweston: do you have your notes on an etherpad? | 19:27 |
| anteaya | sweston: then we can refine what you have created thus far? | 19:28 |
| jeblair | clarkb: zaro: yeah, we should set permissions correctly so that does not change | 19:28 |
| sweston | anteaya: no, but I can put them out there tomorrow, if that is okay for everyone? | 19:28 |
| anteaya | sweston: jeblair said he would like to send something out today | 19:28 |
| anteaya | can I help you get them on an etherpad today? | 19:29 |
| jeblair | it's < 1 week out and we basically haven't told developers anything about this, so i'm going to write up a followup reminder announcement and let people know about the changes | 19:29 |
| sweston | anteaya: yup! | 19:29 |
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| anteaya | sweston: great thanks | 19:29 |
| jeblair | we can continue to work on getting sweston's documentation in shape and point to it when ready | 19:29 |
| sweston | anteaya: absolutely | 19:30 |
| sweston | jeblair: sounds good | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: did you ever send out something about changing the ssh keys for heartbleed? | 19:30 |
| anteaya | are we all caught up on heartbleed? | 19:30 |
| clarkb | I did not... | 19:30 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: you had mentioned that it wasn't worth sending a note at the time | 19:31 |
| clarkb | a general note at least | 19:31 |
| jeblair | okay. we will do that during the gerrit upgrade as well and we'll do it then | 19:31 |
| clarkb | maybe I misinterpreted what that meant about ssh keys | 19:31 |
| clarkb | ok sounds good | 19:31 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:31 |
| anteaya | hey | 19:31 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i don't think i ever would suggest that we should change the ssh keys without telling anyone. | 19:31 |
| anteaya | look who it is | 19:31 |
| mordred | sorry I'm late. no, I did not get to the upgrade | 19:31 |
| clarkb | jeblair: you didn't. Just that I shouldn't send the note last monday | 19:31 |
| clarkb | where I interpreted the note to be generic thing + keys | 19:32 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i feel certain something was misinterpreted. | 19:32 |
| clarkb | ya probably was | 19:32 |
| jeblair | but anyway, we will change the ssh keys on monday and my reminder announcement today will include that | 19:32 |
| clarkb | great thanks | 19:32 |
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| jeblair | clarkb, zaro: let's try to get our patches on 2.8.4++ running on review-dev today | 19:33 |
| clarkb | yup going to cut branch after meeting then go grab lunch | 19:33 |
| jeblair | cool | 19:33 |
| jeblair | anything else on the gerrit upgrade? | 19:34 |
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| jeblair | #topic manage-projects status (mordred) | 19:34 |
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| jeblair | mordred: what's the news? | 19:35 |
| mordred | manage-projects works again | 19:35 |
| mordred | and is live | 19:35 |
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| mordred | so landing new projects changes should work | 19:35 |
| anteaya | you said you were going to switch it off to test something last night | 19:35 |
| anteaya | you turned it back on then | 19:35 |
| mordred | yes - I was testing a few quick and dirty ways to decrease the run-time, but they didn't help | 19:35 |
| mordred | so I gave up on them | 19:35 |
| anteaya | k | 19:35 |
| anteaya | no data from your tests? | 19:36 |
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| mordred | it takes 10 minutes ish to run manage-projects as is, | 19:36 |
| mordred | whcih means it can complete before the next puppet run | 19:36 |
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| mordred | if we remove the github chatter, it can be about twice as fast - but we'd be losing features | 19:37 |
| mordred | so I think the next step is just continuing to refactor some of the different thigns (like upstream tracking) into disconnected processes | 19:37 |
| mordred | but that's not urgent | 19:37 |
| mordred | manage-projects is NOT running on cron | 19:38 |
| mordred | only on projects.yaml change | 19:38 |
| mordred | so we're only getting upstream tracking when we add projects | 19:38 |
| mordred | this is the main motivation behind splitting out upstream tracking | 19:38 |
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| * anteaya makes a note to look at the sections of code that handle upstream tracking | 19:39 | |
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| mordred | that's all Iv'e got - questions? | 19:39 |
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| anteaya | thanks for fixing it | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | mordred: no questions | 19:40 |
| jeblair | #topic Open Discussion | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | nibalizer: any progress on the lp->storyboard script? | 19:41 |
| jeblair | i think it would be nice to move zuul bugs over | 19:41 |
| clarkb | I will be AFK next week. And plan to get red hat tripleo CI cloud added to nodepool this afternoon | 19:41 |
| anteaya | enjoy hawaii | 19:41 |
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| jeblair | anteaya: there are only 4 open jeepyb bugs | 19:42 |
| jeblair | anteaya: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci?field.searchtext=jeepyb&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package= | 19:42 |
| jeblair | anteaya: i was thinking we should file a story on 'separate upstream tracking' for jeepyb | 19:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | clarkb, have a good vacation! | 19:42 |
| jeblair | maybe we should just move those 4 bugs over | 19:42 |
| _nadya_ | hi folks! I'd like to ask about status of fedora20 on gating. In Ceilometer we would like to move py27 jobs from ubuntu12 to fedora20. Because fedora20 has new mongo. As far as I understand #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86842/ needs to be merged to create testing job. Are there any concerns about this change? | 19:43 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yes, enjoy! | 19:43 |
| anteaya | I have no objections | 19:43 |
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| anteaya | it would be good to test them on storyboard, I agree | 19:43 |
| clarkb | _nadya_: yes, we cannot gate on F20 as is | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | oh yes, I'm leaving on Friday and have a few days off and then LOPSA-East next week, then the following Monday and Tuesday I have the Open Source Business Conference | 19:43 |
| clarkb | _nadya_: you can definitely test on F20 when we get it in, but it won't replace the ubuntu tests | 19:43 |
| anteaya | pleia2: safe travels to you too | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: thanks :) | 19:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, I have a small notice too - I'll be in CA starting from May 3 (and traveling day before) | 19:44 |
| _nadya_ | clarkb: where can I find the reasons :)? | 19:44 |
| mordred | SergeyLukjanov: beer! | 19:44 |
| anteaya | SergeyLukjanov: awesome | 19:44 |
| clarkb | _nadya_: because we don't have redundant providers for F20 images | 19:44 |
| anteaya | I will be at home next week, on my computer and hopefully not bailing my basement | 19:44 |
| clarkb | if someone teach nodepool to use DIB we can change that | 19:44 |
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| _nadya_ | clarkb: maybe ubuntu14 will be available soon? And it will be easier then enabling fedora20. What's the plan about it? | 19:45 |
| jeblair | i don't think we can run ceilometer jobs on f20 until it's available everywhere | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: no, still unable to reproduce a running storyboard | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | mordred: and i beat on it again last night and couldn't figure it out | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | :( maybe someone more familiar with storyboard should take this over | 19:46 |
| clarkb | _nadya_: we currently have the same issue with trusty that we have with F20 | 19:46 |
| * mordred is going to try to connect with nibalizer later today and figure out why it's not working for him | 19:46 | |
| clarkb | _nadya_: not all of our cloud providers have images yet, so we need a way to provide our own images or wait for the providers | 19:46 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: I have faith in you | 19:46 |
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| nibalizer | anteaya: woooooo | 19:47 |
| anteaya | :D | 19:47 |
| nibalizer | mordred: lets tag team it! | 19:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think that I saw f20 images in rackspace cloud | 19:47 |
| jeblair | mordred: are you still working on nodepool dib? | 19:47 |
| clarkb | SergeyLukjanov: yup rax has f20 and trusty | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | SergeyLukjanov: yeah, rackspace has them but not hp | 19:47 |
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| mordred | jeblair: yes. that, I believe, is my current top priority, other than helping nibalizer and testing gerrit upgrade (sorry, lost that one last week, my bad) | 19:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, got it | 19:48 |
| eglynn_ | is it the voting status of the job that requires redundant image providers? | 19:48 |
| _nadya_ | clarkb: sounds sad... and no estimates? Or somebody works on it? | 19:48 |
| jeblair | mordred: sweston has volunteered to test gerrit upgrade | 19:48 |
| mordred | jeblair: woot | 19:48 |
| eglynn_ | (re. f20 and/or trusty gating_ | 19:48 |
| eglynn_ | ) | 19:48 |
| mordred | then I will double down on dib nodepool | 19:48 |
| clarkb | _nadya_: no estimate for when our providers will have images up | 19:49 |
| clarkb | _nadya_: mordred may have an estimate on DIB for nodepool | 19:49 |
| clarkb | or anyone else can give one and do the work | 19:49 |
| eglynn_ | clarkb: would a non-voting job be equally objectionable? | 19:49 |
| mordred | it's not TOO far off - the main parts for the first stab are mostly in place | 19:49 |
| jeblair | eglynn_: we can't run jobs in either check or gate queues (regardless of voting status) if the node it runs on isn't HA | 19:49 |
| eglynn_ | clarkb: (if the image was only available on a single provider) | 19:49 |
| mordred | I need to test and slightly rework the elements | 19:49 |
| jeblair | eglynn_: because that would block changes equally if there were a problem with that provider | 19:50 |
| mordred | and then hand off to jeblair for help with making sure the image upload step works right | 19:50 |
| eglynn_ | jeblair: a-ha, I see, because even non-voting jobs have to complete? | 19:50 |
| jeblair | eglynn_: yep | 19:50 |
| eglynn_ | k, thanks for the clarification | 19:50 |
| eglynn_ | ... so would it be possible to push HP to upload said image? | 19:51 |
| jeblair | np. we definitely want these running asap | 19:51 |
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| pleia2 | eglynn_: I'm sure they're working as quickly as possible for at least trusty, it usually just takes a few weeks | 19:52 |
| jeblair | i don't know. i'd honestly rather we put our efforts into dib for nodepool; then we can potentially use the same image across providers | 19:53 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:53 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:53 |
| pleia2 | yeah, that would be great | 19:53 |
| jeblair | which will mean much less work and much more consistency in tests | 19:53 |
| clarkb | and avoid a lot of problems with image building that we currently have | 19:53 |
| mordred | it's not far off - I think I can get it done this week | 19:53 |
| eglynn_ | pleia2: cool enough, it would be great to see f20 there also | 19:53 |
| mordred | it just needs finishing and testing | 19:53 |
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| mordred | I'll try to get it asap to a point where other people can also test | 19:53 |
| clarkb | also I think we have somewhat agreed that we would just drop tests run on F20 when it goes out of support | 19:54 |
| jeblair | mordred: great, thanks | 19:54 |
| clarkb | that isn't concrete but is the current train of thought | 19:54 |
| clarkb | so you don't really want to replace tests that don't have other coverage when using F20 | 19:54 |
| eglynn_ | we've had long-running issues with the ceilometer gate being hobbled because of the lack of a mongo package newer than the ancient 2.0.4 available on precise | 19:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dib and nodepool, sounds awesome | 19:54 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: yeah; that's why everything at least needs to run on lts | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: yeah | 19:54 |
| sdague | has anyone considered dib as part of projects we gate on? Because there is a use case for building heat capable images as well | 19:54 |
| jeblair | eglynn_: fortunately, juno can test on trusty | 19:54 |
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| _nadya_ | eglynn_: maybe we should think about ubuntu14 mostly, not f20? | 19:55 |
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| pleia2 | for reference, the in-progress-ish dib in nodepool patch from mordred: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88479/ | 19:55 |
| eglynn_ | _nadya_: if trusty nodes are available soon, then yes ... main goal is for mongo to be testable | 19:55 |
| jeblair | sdague: afaik it's doable, people have mentioned doing that, no one has done it. | 19:55 |
| pleia2 | (I thought I remembered this from my reviews :)) | 19:55 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | fyi climate new name (blazar) has been approved by foundation, so, folks want to rename someday too | 19:56 |
| eglynn_ | ... but would be great to have more OS distro choices in the gate to avoid such issues in the future | 19:56 |
| sdague | I feel like there was resistance to dib getting commit gated before, if that's changed, it would make some things easier | 19:56 |
| jeblair | eglynn_: so we don't decide the distro support policy for the project | 19:56 |
| jeblair | eglynn_: the tc does that -- we try to support that | 19:57 |
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| mordred | sdague: I think we weren't gating gating it before due to consumption in the gate being primarily via pip releases | 19:57 |
| eglynn_ | jeblair: a-ha, I see, thanks for the clarification | 19:57 |
| sdague | mordred: yeh, well pip doesn't work with it, heat's been stalled on that for 5 months | 19:57 |
| mordred | however, I think we very well may want to revisit that :) | 19:58 |
| mordred | sdague: ++ | 19:58 |
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| jeblair | the current policy is to support latest ubuntu and fedora, and don't break rhel and ubuntu lts; that leaves us with a baseline of only rhel and lts being supported for the life of our releases, so the bulk of our testing is there | 19:58 |
| mordred | yah. but with the door open to adding backport repos, such as the UCA repos | 19:58 |
| mordred | (which is how we pull in stuff from latest ubuntu) | 19:58 |
| jeblair | eglynn_: we can do additional testing on fedora and ubuntu latest, but basic functionality really ought to be done in the context of one of the long-term distros | 19:58 |
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| clarkb | mordred: well we don't do that | 19:59 |
| clarkb | mordred: we have attempted it but it never worked | 19:59 |
| mordred | clarkb: right. I said door open to | 19:59 |
| jeblair | mordred: yeah, everytime we try to do that it fails | 19:59 |
| mordred | from a policy perspective | 19:59 |
| jeblair | mordred: indeed | 19:59 |
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| jeblair | oh look at the time | 20:00 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:01 |
| sdague | \o/ | 20:01 |
| markmc | hey | 20:01 |
| zehicle_at_dell | o/ | 20:02 |
| mestery | o/ | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | russellb, annegentle, mikal, mordred, jgriffith, vishy, markmcclain, jeblair, lifeless, dhellmann : around ? | 20:02 |
| mikal | Hi | 20:02 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:02 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 20:02 |
| annegentle | holla | 20:02 |
| ttx | that makes quorum | 20:02 |
| russellb | o/ | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | ttx: markmcclain is on his way (irc issues) | 20:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 22 20:02:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:02 |
| jeblair | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | So... This time it's *really* the last TC meeting for the Icehouse membership :) | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | lies ;) | 20:02 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:03 |
| mordred | ttx: you say that every week | 20:03 |
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| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:03 |
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| mikal | Heh | 20:03 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:03 |
| ttx | this time I MEAN IT | 20:03 |
| ttx | #topic Integrated projects and new requirements: Review Neutron plan to cover gap | 20:03 |
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| ttx | So... One month ago we went through the gap analysis for Neutron | 20:03 |
| ttx | (compared to current integration requirements) | 20:04 |
| ttx | This was documented at: | 20:04 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-nova-parity | 20:04 |
| ttx | Now we need to have a clear plan to address those gaps during the Juno cycle | 20:04 |
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| ttx | Since it's been a few cycles that we are talking about closing the gap, we need a detailed plan with actionable deadlines that the TC can check | 20:04 |
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| ttx | mestery: hi! | 20:05 |
| mestery | ttx: hi! | 20:05 |
| devananda | so o/ | 20:05 |
| mestery | markmcclain and I both going to talk about this. | 20:05 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-nova-parity-gap-analysis-coverage-plan | 20:05 |
| ttx | I know markmcclain had been working with neutron-core on getting a plan together | 20:05 |
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| mestery | ttx: yes | 20:05 |
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| mestery | markmcclain and I spent some time coming up with this plan for Juno. | 20:05 |
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| sdague | mestery: I feel like the db migration issue is a big enough deal that it probably warrants it's own called out it | 20:06 |
| sdague | item | 20:06 |
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| mestery | sdague: I agree, I will rework this to include that as it's own issue here. Thanks for bringing that up! | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | are you talking about a different issue than the one on line 12? | 20:07 |
| russellb | with tempest, it's not just missing test cases, right? | 20:07 |
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| sdague | and in reality #3 is going to come after a lot of the rest is done, because we don't want to make the defaults for people in devstack regress | 20:08 |
| mestery | dhellmann: The one on line 12 is a symptom of the actual issue. | 20:08 |
| sdague | dhellmann: no, it's the same issue, but it's a big architectural issue | 20:08 |
| ttx | mestery: do you think you could set a milestone target for each of those ? juno-1, juno-2, juno-3 ? They will be roughly the 3 thirds of the cycle | 20:08 |
| mestery | russellb: The initial gap was around missing tests, but expanded coverage there and in functional testing is also important. | 20:08 |
| lifeless | o | 20:08 |
| markmc | "Neutron Replacement for Multi-Host Functionality - OVS will be minimum requirement" | 20:08 |
| lifeless | o/ - doing breakfast for the family but msotly here | 20:09 |
| russellb | not just missing tests, but not running all of the existing tests | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | sdague, mestery : ok, I think you're agreeing and that I understand | 20:09 |
| mestery | ttx: Yes, that makes sense. | 20:09 |
| markmc | nova-network parity will require Open vSwitch? that's a bit of a head-scratcher | 20:09 |
| russellb | markmc: true, not exactly parity | 20:09 |
| ttx | (juno-1 mid-June, juno-2 second half of July, juno-3 start of September) | 20:09 |
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| mestery | The DVR solution being developed to close the multi-host gap is targeted at OVS right now. | 20:10 |
| mestery | DVR=Distributed Virtual Router (FYI) | 20:10 |
| sdague | on the tempest front, I haven't looked recently, but the gaps are really pretty small | 20:10 |
| russellb | sdague: cool. | 20:10 |
| ttx | that would give a general indication of how late in the cycle each of those are expected, and give us sync points to see if anything is going over | 20:10 |
| mestery | sdague: That's thanks to the great work of mlavalle and team! | 20:10 |
| russellb | ttx: yes, that'd be nice | 20:10 |
| sdague | russellb: yeh, a lot of work done in icehouse to close that | 20:10 |
| russellb | and i really can't emphasize how important i think actually closing all of these gaps is ... | 20:10 |
| russellb | or else we really need to re-evaluate neutron's status in openstack | 20:10 |
| markmcclain | sdague: right we should be able to enable the full job voting right about.. salv-orlando was working on that | 20:11 |
| sdague | mestery: so there is no way to do something as simple as the existing bridge model in n-net? ovs does seem like a big requirement jump. | 20:11 |
| mestery | russellb: Absolutely. It's neutron's top priority in Juno. | 20:11 |
| markmcclain | so for gaps 1,2,4,5 anticipate Juno-1 | 20:11 |
| russellb | i think enabling the full job, and it running successfully / stable, should be listed explicitly | 20:11 |
| ttx | adding milestones to the plan | 20:11 |
| markmcclain | for 3,6,7 anticipate J-2 | 20:11 |
| markmcclain | russellb: ok will update plan | 20:12 |
| markmcclain | I think we forgot to share that I'll be point of contact leading the parity effort for Juno | 20:12 |
| mestery | sdague: The ML2 plugin does support LB, but the work to do DVR is all based on OVS at the moment. | 20:12 |
| mestery | Yes, thanks markmcclain for volunteering for that! | 20:13 |
| ttx | I think (2) needs to be completed by j-2 if we want it to be useful for release work | 20:13 |
| sdague | mestery: right, but if we are talking about a migration path from existing n-net, it feels like that should support the existing model. Otherwise it's not much of a migration path. | 20:13 |
| markmcclain | ttx: agreed | 20:13 |
| markmcclain | I hedged a bit because the migration issue right now | 20:13 |
| russellb | so the OVS requirement ... this may be more of a nova question, but I guess that doesn't cover everything you can do with nova-network today | 20:14 |
| russellb | I'd like to see that explicitly discussed with the nova team | 20:14 |
| markmcclain | russellb: it should | 20:14 |
| markmcclain | OVS just makes it easier to do a few things on the control plane | 20:14 |
| mestery | russellb: OK, I agree, a wider discussion is good there. | 20:14 |
| ttx | mestery: I added milestones to the etherpad, you should check them. No idea for (4) | 20:14 |
| sdague | is there a design summit session that it fits into? | 20:14 |
| jeblair | is neutron in icehouse at a sufficient point that it can be used as a base for a grenade upgrade test to juno? | 20:14 |
| mikal | I can see adding OVS to existing deploys making upgrades a lot more complicated | 20:14 |
| russellb | as in, is nova willing to deprecate/remove nova-network, even if neutron *requires* OVS, when nova-network did not (to get the same features) | 20:14 |
| mestery | ttx: Someone beat me to it :) | 20:15 |
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| mikal | If there's no appropriate summit session we can make one, right? | 20:15 |
| ttx | mestery: ok, sounds all optimistic but then juno-3 is pretty light so we can cover any missed target | 20:15 |
| mestery | mikal: We have a DVR session, it woudl be good to discuss it there | 20:15 |
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| mikal | mestery: what days do neutron run on? Nova is a three day thing, so if its up against a nova thing that's hard | 20:16 |
| mestery | ttx: Yes, exactly! | 20:16 |
| markmcclain | this is problem we've encountered multiple times already | 20:16 |
| jeblair | or will closing the grenade gap involve work on stable/icehouse and juno-master? | 20:16 |
| mestery | mikal: Neutron is Wed, part of thur, part of Friday | 20:16 |
| markmcclain | the requirements keep changing a bit | 20:16 |
| sdague | jeblair: grenade neutron jobs don't work today, due to the issue around neutron migrations | 20:16 |
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| mikal | mestery: yeah, we directly clash | 20:16 |
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| mikal | mestery: unless we shut down the nova stream for a session to walk over there | 20:16 |
| russellb | do a session in the nova track, while neutron is off | 20:16 |
| mikal | mestery: which I think this is important enough to do | 20:16 |
| russellb | neutron isn't the whole time | 20:16 |
| mestery | mikal: Lets work together to find an appropriate slot. | 20:17 |
| ttx | mikal: or find an orthogonal topic to discuss in Nova while this is running | 20:17 |
| mestery | russellb: +1 to that! | 20:17 |
| russellb | or what ttx said | 20:17 |
| mikal | Yeah, we could for example have a sesison Thursday arvo | 20:17 |
| ttx | mikal: you need to work on your cloning strategy | 20:17 |
| mikal | I will start a mail thread | 20:17 |
| mestery | mikal: Thanks! | 20:17 |
| mikal | ttx: and my napping strategy | 20:17 |
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| russellb | mikal: enjoy :-p | 20:17 |
| markmcclain | so the OVS thing is new… this was on the original etherpad from a month ago | 20:18 |
| mikal | russellb: :P | 20:18 |
| markmcclain | why is it now a problem? | 20:18 |
| russellb | it's not the TC's call IMO | 20:18 |
| russellb | i just want to make sure the nova crowd is OK with it | 20:18 |
| mikal | I worry about deploys who can't do OVS for some reason | 20:19 |
| markmc | markmcclain, only just noticed now, I guess | 20:19 |
| russellb | TC requirement is that nova is OK with deprecating/removing nova-network | 20:19 |
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| ttx | yes, the TC cares about the existence of a plan to cover the gap and the deadliens in it... not really the details of the plan | 20:19 |
| sdague | markmcclain: some times these things come in layers, and things dont' get noticed when other thigns are in the way | 20:19 |
| ttx | which are more internal nova-neutron stuff | 20:19 |
| markmc | markmcclain, could wind up just being a question of explaining the need for the new req in simple terms | 20:19 |
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| sdague | we also need to play for a migration grenade job | 20:19 |
| sdague | icehouse n-net -> juno neutron | 20:19 |
| russellb | yeah, could be fine ... but better have it written out very explicitly on list now, than debate it late juno, when the stakes are higher | 20:20 |
| mestery | sdague: Yes, agreed, I think that will be critical as well. | 20:20 |
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| dhellmann | russellb: ++ | 20:20 |
| sdague | and that's going to demonstrate some of the challenges in the hop that not one has noticed yet | 20:20 |
| jeblair | sdague: in addition to or instead of icehouse neutron -> juno neutron? | 20:20 |
| sdague | jeblair: yes | 20:20 |
| sdague | in addition | 20:20 |
| markmcclain | sdague: yeah agree a grenade update might make sense | 20:20 |
| russellb | sdague: ooh, that's a cool idea | 20:20 |
| ttx | sdague: should we add db migration as its own gap (like Gap 0) so that the plan is complete and can be blessed by the TC today ? | 20:21 |
| sdague | I think for whenever we are deciding that "now is when we expect people to move" we should demonstrate that we can do it | 20:21 |
| mordred | sdague: ++ | 20:21 |
| russellb | i like that | 20:21 |
| sdague | ttx: yes, I think we should call that out | 20:21 |
| ttx | sdague: care to word it out and add it as Gap 0 ? | 20:21 |
| ttx | mestery: check that you agree with sdague's gap 0 | 20:22 |
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| jeblair | i've added a note on gap2 about the 2 grenade tests | 20:22 |
| russellb | jeblair: ++ | 20:23 |
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| markmcclain | jeblair: so which grenade tests nova-net to neutron should be validated? | 20:23 |
| ttx | markmcclain: is j-2 still reasonable given the two goals on grenade test ? | 20:23 |
| sdague | mestery: ok, I'll let you propose solution | 20:23 |
| russellb | also, which nova-net modes for grenade? | 20:23 |
| markmcclain | ttx: yes depending on what matrix of testing is desired | 20:23 |
| russellb | just one? all of them? | 20:24 |
| russellb | markmcclain: yes, that :) | 20:24 |
| mestery | sdague: Thanks! Really, we need to discuss this one a bit more as a neutron team with input from the broader community I think. | 20:24 |
| sdague | russellb: we have to pick on | 20:24 |
| mestery | sdague: We've discussed a bit on ML and on the bug so far, FYI. | 20:24 |
| sdague | pick one, we don't test *every* mode | 20:24 |
| sdague | mestery: yep, just want that called out as needed to be solved | 20:24 |
| mestery | sdague: agreed | 20:24 |
| mestery | sdague: I'll mark myself as owner for now on this one. | 20:25 |
| annegentle | russellb: is a mode like flat/flatdhcp? | 20:25 |
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| markmcclain | annegentle: yes | 20:25 |
| markmc | this gap 0 is in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-nova-parity ? | 20:25 |
| annegentle | k thanks | 20:25 |
| ttx | Got a design summit session about that grenade testing ? | 20:25 |
| mestery | markmc: It fell out of #2 there. | 20:25 |
| sdague | markmc: not that I know of, it was only recently uncovered | 20:25 |
| sdague | ttx: there is a grenade general session in qa track | 20:25 |
| mestery | ttx: We have a general testing session right now, not a grenade specific one at the moment. But good point. | 20:25 |
| sdague | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/381 | 20:26 |
| ttx | sdague: maybe we should make sure it doesn't happen during Neutron slots | 20:26 |
| mestery | ttx: +1 | 20:26 |
| ttx | sdague: topic for next meeting | 20:26 |
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| sdague | ttx: sure | 20:26 |
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| ttx | OK, I think this looks good | 20:27 |
| ttx | More comments ? | 20:28 |
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| ttx | i propose that the next TC reviews progress on that at every milestone | 20:28 |
| markmcclain | ttx: +1 | 20:28 |
| russellb | +1 | 20:28 |
| mikal | Sounds good to me | 20:28 |
| jeblair | ++ | 20:28 |
| ttx | making sure we are still on track | 20:28 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 20:29 |
| ttx | mestery, markmcclain: nice work on the plan | 20:29 |
| ttx | SlickNik, hub_cap: around ? | 20:29 |
| SlickNik | here | 20:29 |
| mestery | thanks ttx! | 20:29 |
| ttx | #topic Integrated projects and new requirements: Review Trove plan to cover gap | 20:29 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TroveIntegratedGapPlan | 20:29 |
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| ttx | At the meeting last week we went through Trove's gaps there ^ | 20:29 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TroveIntegrationRequirements | 20:29 |
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| SlickNik | whoops, sorry ttx posted the plan before you posted the gaps. | 20:30 |
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| ttx | I'm so predictable | 20:30 |
| mordred | SlickNik: so, it just came to my attention that trove only supports nova-network - given the previous discussion, is this something that needs to be called out for this cycle and tracked? | 20:30 |
| SlickNik | mordred: We're already working on this and it's a top priority for Juno. | 20:31 |
| ttx | mordred: ha? | 20:31 |
| mordred | SlickNik: yes - I've just heard that as well - thought I'd bring it up here because I'm guessing none of us thought to ask if you supported neutron | 20:32 |
| mordred | I know I didn't | 20:32 |
| lifeless | ttx: its due to the neutron namespaced network feature | 20:32 |
| SlickNik | mordred: It's complicated. There is limited support, but no tests around it. | 20:32 |
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| russellb | mordred: good point, sounds like something that should be tracked specifically | 20:32 |
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| ttx | lifeless: ah. | 20:32 |
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| SlickNik | mordred: And I'm of the view that if it's not tested, we can't claim to support it. | 20:32 |
| sdague | ttx: because trove manages provisioning as well | 20:32 |
| mordred | SlickNik: I agree with that view | 20:32 |
| mordred | :) | 20:32 |
| sdague | SlickNik: that seems big enough to call out as a separate item | 20:32 |
| russellb | yep | 20:33 |
| SlickNik | mordred: So we're adding tests, and have found a couple of issues as part of it already. | 20:33 |
| ttx | yes, we missed it during the gap analysis, obviously | 20:33 |
| SlickNik | ++ to calling it out officially in the gap and plan. | 20:33 |
| ttx | mordred: care to add it as Concern #5 ? | 20:33 |
| mordred | ttx: sure | 20:33 |
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| SlickNik | I can fill in the actions | 20:34 |
| SlickNik | but basically - 1. we're adding tests for provisioning with neutron ports / networks | 20:35 |
| russellb | tests in tempest? | 20:35 |
| ttx | SlickNik: could you fill target milestones in the document ? i.e. the rough dates you expect that work to bne completed (juno-1, juno-2, juno-3 ?) | 20:36 |
| SlickNik | russellb: Tests in our functional test system (rdjenkins) for now since the tempest effort is going on in parallel. | 20:36 |
| ttx | (juno-1 mid-June, juno-2 second half of July, juno-3 start of September) | 20:36 |
| mordred | if we have trove enabled in all of the d-g jobs, then shouldn't we pick up coverage of the different modes since e have nova-network config and neutron-config - as long as there are tests which exercise things/ | 20:36 |
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| SlickNik | russellb: So there is some amount of work to ensure that tempest is also testing this. | 20:37 |
| russellb | SlickNik: OK. I think for the gap to be considered filled, it should be in openstack-infra | 20:37 |
| SlickNik | russellb: Yes, there is that overlap between #5 and #3 | 20:37 |
| russellb | yeah, noted | 20:37 |
| SlickNik | mordred: I think that's true. However the trove tempest coverage is pretty poor right now and we're working on getting that up. | 20:38 |
| sdague | mordred: yes, but the trove tests are very minimal | 20:38 |
| SlickNik | ttx: Will add the milestones | 20:38 |
| mordred | yup. I think 3 + 5 == happy bunnies | 20:39 |
| ttx | SlickNik: if you add them now we could bless the plan | 20:39 |
| SlickNik | Ah, okay | 20:39 |
| mordred | annegentle: on point #2 - is that what we're doing with API docs now across the board? | 20:40 |
| SlickNik | ttx, added | 20:40 |
| ttx | SlickNik: OK, looks optimistic, but I'll take those :) | 20:40 |
| annegentle | mordred: so long story, last summit we had a session where we said we wanted to move all <project>-api repos into a <project>/doc/api area | 20:40 |
| annegentle | mordred: that move never happened | 20:41 |
| mordred | annegentle: k. but it's desired by docs? | 20:41 |
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| ttx | Plan looks good to me -- other comments ? | 20:42 |
| sdague | nope, lgtm | 20:42 |
| annegentle | mordred: ttx: wait I'm trying to understand where point #2 is spelled out? | 20:42 |
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| * ttx wonders if we should move those plans somewhere less volatile, like a wiki page | 20:43 | |
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| dhellmann | ttx: it would be nice to have edit history | 20:43 |
| mordred | annegentle: concern #2: " - Currently in the process of moving them over to the trove repository for better locality so it makes it easier to update" | 20:43 |
| ttx | dhellmann: right | 20:43 |
| mikal | ttx: something more discoverable would be good | 20:43 |
| russellb | ttx: could at least snapshot the etherpad | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | ttx: also, these colors make my eyes cross :-) | 20:43 |
| russellb | so you get a record of its state when we discussed it | 20:44 |
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| ttx | mestery, SlickNik: do you mind if I copy those etherpads and make them wiki pages ? (tomorrow) ? | 20:44 |
| annegentle | mordred: ah. Yes the thinking is that the API specs are a place for devs to discuss changes to the API | 20:44 |
| russellb | we could have this proposed to governance ... | 20:44 |
| russellb | maybe that's too much | 20:44 |
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| ttx | russellb: yeah, I think that would be a bit too much | 20:44 |
| mestery | ttx: That is fine by me, thanks! | 20:44 |
| SlickNik | ttx: be my guest. | 20:44 |
| russellb | k | 20:44 |
| annegentle | mordred: ideally we'd get all projects to do API docs the same way, we had agreement last summit but the work didn't happen | 20:44 |
| ttx | #action ttx to move gap coverage plans somewhere discoverable on the wiki | 20:44 |
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| ttx | annegentle: does this have to be resolved for the plan to be blessed ? | 20:46 |
| ttx | or can it be discussed offline / at design summit ? | 20:46 |
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| annegentle | ttx: nope I'm fine with the plan | 20:46 |
| SlickNik | annegentle: So for #2, grapex is driving the effort and I'll work with him and you to make sure what we're thinking is good with the docs team. | 20:46 |
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| ttx | OK, so we'll do the same as for Neutron, review progress on the plan at every milestone | 20:47 |
| annegentle | gogo grapex | 20:47 |
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| ttx | #topic Incubation/integration requirements changes | 20:47 |
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| ttx | * Add upgrade expectations (https://review.openstack.org/87234) | 20:48 |
| SlickNik | Sounds good. Thanks all! | 20:48 |
| ttx | This looks good to me, will approve once it reaches the threshold | 20:48 |
| russellb | SlickNik: thanks, and good luck :) | 20:48 |
| ttx | SlickNik: thx! | 20:48 |
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| ttx | * Add Ceilometer requirements (https://review.openstack.org/85978) | 20:48 |
| ttx | There are a few objections to this one, in particular jog0 raises an interesting point... | 20:48 |
| ttx | ... that such a requirement looks premature until Ceilometer is more extensively tested at the gate | 20:49 |
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| ttx | Do you think that's a valid objection, or that it's an orthogonal concern ? | 20:49 |
| markmc | I think that's orthogonal | 20:49 |
| russellb | +1 | 20:49 |
| markmc | it's integrated now, we should require projects integrate with it | 20:49 |
| markmc | where it makes sense, of course | 20:49 |
| sdague | I think we could generalize this whole section of "should use heat, should use horizon, should use ceilometer" | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it's an integrated project -- we want more testing, but that shouldn't block other projects | 20:49 |
| ttx | OK. The wording still needs to be fixed anyway | 20:50 |
| ttx | so it's not really ready | 20:50 |
| jeblair | markmc, sdague, dhellmann: +1 | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | sdague: we did think about that, but there may be specific points of integration | 20:50 |
| sdague | to something about "we expect projects to use integrated projects for the functions they provide" | 20:50 |
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| ttx | just wanted to make sure we still wanted it on the drawing board$ | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | someone also mentioned that having a checklist would help, rather than having to make that list each time we review a project | 20:51 |
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| russellb | sdague: it goes the other way, too. we expect the project to work with other projects to consume this one, where it makes sense. | 20:51 |
| russellb | or something like that | 20:51 |
| sdague | russellb: yep, sure | 20:51 |
| russellb | i think listing each project is still OK for now | 20:51 |
| sdague | I just think we'd do ourselves a favor by making it more general, and not having every project push in a line for their projects | 20:51 |
| russellb | the first case you mentioned is covered by "don't duplicate stuff" | 20:51 |
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| devananda | fwiw, i agree that general is better here, and require it to be identified when the project enters incubation | 20:52 |
| ttx | agree there is room for generalization. We'll see which change gets in first | 20:52 |
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| ttx | #topic Minor governance changes | 20:52 |
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| ttx | * Begin conversion to rst (https://review.openstack.org/87579) | 20:52 |
| ttx | This one is moving the ball forward on doc publication, it's more a technical change than a policy change so I'll approve it after the meeting, unless someone objects (and posts a -1) | 20:53 |
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| annegentle | ttx: do you need seven or eight +1s? | 20:53 |
| ttx | annegentle: no, i'll just abuse my power | 20:53 |
| jgriffith | I just gave the 8'th anyway :) | 20:53 |
| ttx | jgriffith: hah! | 20:53 |
| annegentle | ttx: ha ha | 20:53 |
| ttx | * Add project mission statement for Ceilometer (https://review.openstack.org/87526) | 20:54 |
| ttx | This one is still being disputed, so it might need a few more iterations | 20:54 |
| ttx | * Adds integrated and incubated release names to programs.yaml (https://review.openstack.org/81859) | 20:54 |
| lifeless | I've thrown a -1 up there | 20:54 |
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| lifeless | for the upgrade one | 20:54 |
| ttx | There is good progress here... I think we settled on the format, so now it's just about getting the content right. | 20:54 |
| ttx | annegentle: you left out one of my suggestions... was it on purpose ? | 20:54 |
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| annegentle | ttx: looking | 20:55 |
| ttx | I just -1ed your latest | 20:55 |
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| annegentle | ttx: ah I see, yeah just missed it. Though one Q I did have, does this doc record when the TC meeting occurred? (I thought that was one of the early inputs) | 20:56 |
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| ttx | annegentle: for future entries it will record when the change was made... | 20:56 |
| ttx | but that clearly doesn't work for old entries | 20:56 |
| ttx | annegentle: we can always add more keys to that dictionary over time | 20:57 |
| annegentle | ttx: ok right. | 20:57 |
| ttx | like incubated-in-tc-meeting: 2014-04-10 | 20:57 |
| ttx | if we really want to track additional data | 20:58 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:58 |
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| ttx | * Joint BoD/TC meeting agenda | 20:58 |
| ttx | I worked with Alan on defining the content for the joint TC/BoD meeting in Atlanta. | 20:58 |
| ttx | Most of the items we proposed for discussion are present in the agenda draft I've seen | 20:58 |
| ttx | I think Alan shall post it really soon now, i'll make sure it's sent to openstack-tc as well | 20:58 |
| ttx | * TC elections: voting under way | 20:59 |
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| ttx | We have elections under way, please encourage everyone to vote -- we actually need good participation scores if we want to lecture others on election systems :) | 20:59 |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 20:59 |
| anteaya | 26% voter turnout so far | 20:59 |
| annegentle | vote vote vote! | 20:59 |
| anteaya | talk up voting | 20:59 |
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| markmc | wow, is that all? | 20:59 |
| anteaya | so far | 21:00 |
| russellb | ouch | 21:00 |
| ttx | We had 31% last time | 21:00 |
| anteaya | I think easter weekend cut into it | 21:00 |
| sdague | anteaya: when do polls close? | 21:00 |
| sdague | we do have > 1000 ATCs | 21:00 |
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| anteaya | Friday when I wake up | 21:00 |
| anteaya | 1510 atcs | 21:00 |
| jeblair | ttx: i got the impression the board wasn't very interested in talking about the CLA | 21:00 |
| anteaya | after 1300utc | 21:00 |
| ttx | jeblair: I asked that it is added to the agenda though. | 21:00 |
| jeblair | which is disappointing because i think we are interested, and we're seeing new issues come up | 21:00 |
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| jeblair | ttx: okay good | 21:00 |
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| ttx | it's in the current agenda draft, fwiw | 21:00 |
| ttx | OK, time is up | 21:01 |
| jeblair | it's just reared its head again on the -legal list, based on two recent events | 21:01 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone, been a privilege working with you all for this last cycle | 21:01 |
| mordred | I loved the "why can't they just sign the CLA, IBM has" response | 21:01 |
| jeblair | ttx: seconded! | 21:01 |
| annegentle | ttx: thanks for running efficient meetings :) | 21:01 |
| mikal | Lovely typing near you all | 21:02 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 22 21:02:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-04-22-20.02.html | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-04-22-20.02.txt | 21:02 |
| ttx | (and ending them on time) | 21:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-04-22-20.02.log.html | 21:02 |
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| annegentle | mikal: LOL | 21:02 |
| russellb | mordred: but ask them how long it takes to get added to their corporate CLA if you work there | 21:02 |
| jgriffith | so long TC | 21:02 |
| ttx | dhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, eglynn, markwash, jgriffith, mikal, zaneb, david-lyle, kmestery, SlickNik, mtreinish, annegentle, jeblair, dtroyer, jraim, kgriffs, devananda, SergeyLukjanov, lifeless: around ? | 21:02 |
| notmyname | here | 21:02 |
| zaneb | mordred: yeah, that was completely a tone-deaf response | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:02 |
| kgriffs | p/ | 21:02 |
| eglynn_ | o/ | 21:02 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:02 |
| devananda | o/ | 21:02 |
| zaneb | o/ | 21:02 |
| lifeless | o/ | 21:02 |
| mestery | o/ | 21:03 |
| jgriffith | \o/ | 21:03 |
| jeblair | o/ | 21:03 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:03 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:03 |
| mikal | Hi, but I am taking a quick bio break, back in a sec | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 22 21:03:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:03 |
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| ttx | We'll abuse this meeting today to discuss Juno Design Summit scheduling: | 21:03 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:03 |
| ttx | #topic Design Summit scheduling | 21:03 |
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| ttx | First, do you have questions on the review/scheduling interface ? | 21:03 |
| ttx | The first step is to review sessions and set their status to Preapproved or Refused | 21:04 |
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| ttx | Once that's done, you can use the scheduling screen to drag and drop sessions to available time slots | 21:04 |
| ttx | One thing to keep in mind is that you can pre-approve more sessions than you have available slots, and then merge multiple sessions into the same schedule slot. | 21:04 |
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| zaneb | ttx: no questions, but is there a wiki page about it? if not I might create one | 21:04 |
| ttx | zaneb: it has Help screens! | 21:05 |
| zaneb | would have been good to know some of that stuff earlier :) | 21:05 |
| dolphm | i'm not sure if it's a new feature or not, but i found it surprising this cycle that you could drag multiple proposals into the *same* timeslot to merge them | 21:05 |
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| eglynn_ | one question, what's the typical over-subscription ratio? | 21:05 |
| dolphm | ttx: i only picked up on it from your email | 21:05 |
| ttx | zaneb: feel free to document your experience :) | 21:05 |
| eglynn_ | (i.e. proposals to available slots on track) | 21:05 |
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| mestery | ttx: The merging of proposals is quite awesome! | 21:05 |
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| devananda | fwiw, ironic is subsribed 18:4 | 21:05 |
| ttx | eglynn_: here is the secret URL: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/topicstatus | 21:05 |
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| annegentle | devananda: dang | 21:06 |
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| ttx | ironic wins | 21:06 |
| mikal | . | 21:06 |
| zaneb | ttx, eglynn_: oooh. but rejected sessions are not shown on that | 21:06 |
| eglynn_ | ttx: nice :) | 21:06 |
| ttx | followed closely by Sahara and Swift | 21:06 |
| dolphm | zaneb: i believe rejected sessions vanish | 21:06 |
| zaneb | dolphm: correct | 21:06 |
| ttx | zaneb: yes, only works for so long | 21:06 |
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| ttx | it's more of a "reminder of the problem" type graph | 21:07 |
| zaneb | eglynn_: heat was 2:1 oversubscribed fwiw | 21:07 |
| ttx | remainder? | 21:07 |
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| ttx | Do you have sessions you would like to push to another topic ? | 21:07 |
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| ttx | Remember you will all have a project pod where you can discuss overflow sessions | 21:08 |
| devananda | i've proposed a few sessions to other tracks (eg, for ceilometer and nova integration) | 21:08 |
| ttx | This will be available all 4 days of the summit | 21:08 |
| mikal | ttx: what's the deadline for scheduling? | 21:08 |
| zaneb | \o/ | 21:08 |
| dolphm | mikal: aim for end of week? | 21:08 |
| devananda | given taht ironic would like to graduate, and that integration is now a pre-requirement, it'd be great to have those discussions some time :) | 21:08 |
| ttx | it's just a round table with a flipchart, but it will be a designated spot (with your program name on it) and there will be a map to help locate it | 21:09 |
| mikal | I was going to discuss it my meeting at the end of the weke, but have just realized I'll be on a plane during that meeting | 21:09 |
| ttx | mikal: goal is to have a basic proposal up at end of week | 21:09 |
| ttx | but then we can tweak it until the last minute | 21:09 |
| mikal | ttx: ok | 21:09 |
| lifeless | ttx: I plan to put tripleos things in on monday | 21:09 |
| ttx | mikal: if we have "most" in by the end of week we'll be fine | 21:09 |
| devananda | ttx: what tools will be available in the overflow pods? whiteboard? projector? also, how many ppl can effectively congregate there? | 21:09 |
| lifeless | ttx: we're waiting on core team reviews of the proposals | 21:10 |
| lifeless | ttx: is that ok ? | 21:10 |
| ttx | lifeless: that's good. Just won't be around to assist in case stuff falls apart | 21:10 |
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| * ttx takes the off week off | 21:10 | |
| lifeless | ttx: long as we have our 6 slots we're fine :> | 21:10 |
| eglynn_ | so what's the PTL "tribal knowledge" on the sense or o'wise of merging unrelated sessions? | 21:10 |
| eglynn_ | (... just to shoehorn things into the available slots) | 21:10 |
| mestery | I have an etherpad with the neutron schedule, working on pushing those into the tool now. | 21:10 |
| lifeless | eglynn_: its doable but not with contentious sessions | 21:10 |
| lifeless | eglynn_: try to have things that will attract the same audience | 21:11 |
| eglynn_ | lifeless: fair point | 21:11 |
| ttx | eglynn_: well, previously we didn't have project pods, so the dynamic is slightly different this time | 21:11 |
| lifeless | eglynn_: otherwise you get lots of folk moving in and out | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | eglynn_: markmcclain did that with neutron a few times, you might want to ask him how well it went | 21:11 |
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| SlickNik | ttx: For trove, we're planning on going through the proposals tomorrow. I should have the schedule set by Friday. | 21:11 |
| lifeless | eglynn_: e.g. we're likel merging *ALL* our CI issues into one session | 21:11 |
| eglynn_ | dhellmann: thanks will do | 21:11 |
| ttx | eglynn_: I would make sure you use your "scheduled" slots to reach out to people and identify the interested people | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | eglynn_: he says "you need to be a strict time keeper" | 21:11 |
| lifeless | eglynn_: which should let sdague drop in... | 21:11 |
| eglynn_ | cool | 21:11 |
| ttx | eglynn_: then the project pod can be used to work, hackathon style | 21:11 |
| devananda | eglynn_: merging 2 uncontested sessions with a fairly even split isn't bad. beyond that, i haven't see nit work well | 21:11 |
| devananda | eglynn_: unless the topics are very similar to begin with | 21:12 |
| ttx | Does anyone expect to have unused slots they could give to someone else ? | 21:12 |
| dolphm | ttx: some session proposals would be better for project pods than design sessions - is there anything published about project pods that i can direct people to? | 21:12 |
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| * eglynn_ rapidly cools on the idea ... | 21:12 | |
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| * devananda is also wondering what the pods will provide | 21:12 | |
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| ttx | eglynn_: last time, Glance and Horizon had extra slots they gave out. | 21:12 |
| ttx | dolphm: let me check | 21:13 |
| zaneb | eglynn_: I'm planning to do a lot of merging, but only of related topics | 21:13 |
| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit has a paragraph about pods | 21:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sahara schedule will be hopefully ready by the end of week, no unused slots already | 21:13 |
| ttx | dolphm: ^ | 21:13 |
| eglynn_ | ttx: all looking over-subscribed this time if I read those graphs right | 21:13 |
| dolphm | ttx: thanks! | 21:13 |
| ttx | eglynn_: yes | 21:13 |
| eglynn_ | (so alms for the poor looking unlikely) | 21:14 |
| ttx | eglynn_: less lots overall kinda does taht to you | 21:14 |
| devananda | ttx: "round table" -- so not a reasonable place for the whole team to gather, then | 21:14 |
| ttx | devananda: You can steal extra chairs and invade others space ! | 21:14 |
| kgriffs | devananda: that was my question too - do we have some sense of the actual number of seats / physical space? | 21:14 |
| * ttx has no idea if this pod thing will work | 21:15 | |
| ttx | kgriffs: let me look at the map I was given | 21:15 |
| dolphm | ttx: not if you're stealing chairs! | 21:15 |
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| lifeless | ttx: 'spare slots' ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha | 21:16 |
| notmyname | ttx: the concept of pods makes the 4:1 oversubscription somewhat more bearable. :-) | 21:16 |
| ttx | kgriffs: so.. the map says the roundtablaes are 66", whatever THAT means | 21:16 |
| ttx | They drew 10 chairs around them | 21:17 |
| dolphm | 9-10 people | 21:17 |
| SlickNik | Seats 9-10 | 21:17 |
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| markwash | 1.67 m | 21:17 |
| kgriffs | that should work OK. If things get crazy we can steal more chairs. :p | 21:17 |
| ttx | you can definitely invest the walls that are near to your table | 21:17 |
| notmyname | but they are dark and don't support projectors well? | 21:17 |
| ttx | notmyname: well, you saw the photo. haven't seen them in real | 21:18 |
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| * ttx finds a link | 21:18 | |
| notmyname | ttx: ah, ok | 21:18 |
| ttx | http://www.gwcc.com/event_planners/Interactive_Planning_Guide.aspx > Click on Level 2 in building B | 21:19 |
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| ttx | pods will be in rooms B201 B202 B203 B204 | 21:19 |
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| ttx | if you want to look what the rooms look like | 21:19 |
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| ttx | there is a "photos" button | 21:20 |
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| ttx | after you select a specific room | 21:20 |
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| eglynn_ | they look substantial enough | 21:20 |
| ttx | now you know as much as I do. | 21:20 |
| ttx | I can forward questions if you have any | 21:20 |
| ttx | Do you have scheduling constraints or conflicts you would like to tell us about ? | 21:20 |
| ttx | like a session where Nova folks need to have Neutron guys around | 21:21 |
| mikal | No yet! | 21:21 |
| * dolphm it doesn't bother me at all that they misspelled "ceiling" AND "height" in this tool in the same label | 21:21 | |
| ttx | dolphm: not exactly reassuring | 21:21 |
| mikal | ttx: there was a mail thread during the TC meeting about that. It looks like we can do it Thursday arvo | 21:21 |
| dolphm | ttx: it's probably fine for banqets | 21:21 |
| mtreinish | mestery: you had a qa/neutron session on the neutron track right? | 21:21 |
| ttx | mikal: yep, that would fall in the space where no neutron is running | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | dolphm: you should know that GA education is dead last in the US | 21:22 |
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| markwash | markmcclain: I think they prefer "first in opportunities to improve" | 21:22 |
| mestery | mtreinish: Yes: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/366 and http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/401 | 21:22 |
| ttx | mtreinish, jeblair, dhellmann : ideally we would publish our schedules soon, so that the others can plan around it | 21:22 |
| jeblair | ttx: ack | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | ttx: working on it | 21:23 |
| mestery | ttx: What happens if we accidentally press "push to sched" early? :) | 21:23 |
| notmyname | I've got one talk that should probably be moved to the cross-project session | 21:23 |
| mtreinish | mestery: oh they're multiplying, I only knew about the first one | 21:23 |
| ttx | i.e. a neutron QA session in the neutron track could try to avoid times where a QA session is running | 21:23 |
| jeblair | notmyname: what is that? | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | notmyname: I'm pretty sure the cross-project session is full | 21:23 |
| mestery | mtreinish: We're combining those ones for now, as they overlap a bit. | 21:23 |
| sdague | mestery: you can redo it later | 21:23 |
| mestery | sdague: Thanks. | 21:23 |
| mtreinish | ttx: should have it Thurs. I want to discuss it during the meeting this week before I schedule anything | 21:23 |
| notmyname | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/192 <-- glance + swift + keystone | 21:24 |
| ttx | mestery: it will just push the current state of the schedule | 21:24 |
| mestery | sdauge: Not that I accidentally hit "push to sched" or anything. :) | 21:24 |
| sdague | so pushing early isn't and issue | 21:24 |
| mestery | thanks ttx | 21:24 |
| ttx | notmyname: checking how stuff aligns | 21:24 |
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| dhellmann | notmyname: we tried to keep the cross-project sessions to those affecting all (or at least most) projects, not just >1 | 21:24 |
| ttx | Remember slot layout lives at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmUn0hzC1InKdGNXcWlWX0FIekQxbUtvRVlnVF9IV3c&usp=drive_web#gid=5 | 21:24 |
| jeblair | notmyname: probably worth seeing if you can do that with a joint swift/glance/cinder session | 21:25 |
| ttx | notmyname: as long as you avoid the first two slots of the swift track, you should have all of them | 21:25 |
| sdague | yeh, I think a session like that we'd have kicked back to project tracks. Like the various neutron+nova things we kicked back out. | 21:25 |
| ttx | if you want cinder as well, that limits choices | 21:25 |
| notmyname | well as one of 22 proposed for 8 slots, I'm not sure if it will get chosen anyway in the swift track | 21:25 |
| jgriffith | ttx: notmyname we could possibly pu tit in Cinder | 21:25 |
| ttx | Oh, an offer to take one slot! | 21:25 |
| notmyname | jgriffith: how generous of you :-) | 21:26 |
| jgriffith | notmyname: I'd of course like to tweak the session a bit :) | 21:26 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: Friday after 2:10pm you would have swift/glance and keystone folks available | 21:26 |
| notmyname | jgriffith: ya, makes sense | 21:27 |
| jeblair | even more generous! ;) | 21:27 |
| jgriffith | ttx: notmyname we can take it, I have been wanting to propose a glance/cinder | 21:27 |
| notmyname | jgriffith: cool, thanks! | 21:27 |
| jgriffith | ttx: notmyname I think this counts and could be abstracted a bit | 21:27 |
| ttx | jeblair: anything you'd like to try to sneak in release management ? Or can I run with my canned 4 ? | 21:27 |
| notmyname | jgriffith: FWIW, Donagh is in Ireland, so keep aware of that when getting in touch with him | 21:28 |
| jeblair | ttx: nope, thanks | 21:28 |
| ttx | jeblair: I have a release branch vs. QA vs. infra session filed in release management already | 21:29 |
| ttx | where we can also disucss requirements | 21:29 |
| notmyname | ttx: are you the only one who can rehome a talk or can we do it? | 21:29 |
| ttx | notmyname: no you can do it | 21:29 |
| ttx | on the review screen, click in the topic column (where it says Swift) | 21:29 |
| devananda | ttx: i'd like to ask that http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/198 be scheduled tuesday morning (not overlapping ironic) | 21:29 |
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| ttx | russellb: ^ | 21:30 |
| devananda | ttx: of the cross project sessions taht i dont want to miss, it's probably the most important for ironic | 21:30 |
| notmyname | ttx: ah, cool | 21:30 |
| jeblair | ttx: yeah, i saw that. ++. i don't see anything overlapping that... | 21:30 |
| notmyname | jgriffith: moved. thanks | 21:30 |
| jeblair | mtreinish, ttx: do you have any thoughts on this session: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/285 | 21:30 |
| jgriffith | notmyname: np | 21:30 |
| ttx | jeblair: I'm not 100% convinced we need a session for that | 21:31 |
| mtreinish | jeblair: yeah I'm not sure either, but I know we want to do it | 21:31 |
| mtreinish | it seems like it's more working through issues as they come up | 21:31 |
| ttx | devananda: it's already scheduled at http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/ -- does it conflict ? | 21:31 |
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| dhellmann | tuesday 5:30 pm | 21:32 |
| ttx | oh, it does | 21:32 |
| devananda | yep | 21:32 |
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| jeblair | ttx, mtreinish: that's kind of what i'm thinking. let me know if you see a session we might be able to combine it with; otherwise, maybe hallway track or pod for that one. | 21:33 |
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| sdague | ttx: is it worth shuffling the incubated slots instead? | 21:33 |
| ttx | sdague: maybe | 21:33 |
| devananda | i will be delegating folks from ironic for the afternoon cross project sessions that we need to sync with, but where I dont need to be present | 21:33 |
| sdague | like switch marconi and ironic | 21:33 |
| ttx | devananda: how about you swap with Marconi slots ? | 21:33 |
| ttx | kgriffs: would that work for you ? | 21:34 |
| devananda | the morning cross proejct slots are not especially pertitnent to ironic | 21:34 |
| kgriffs | yep, I'm flexible | 21:34 |
| devananda | consistency across APIs would be nice to attend, but i dont think we'll have much input there | 21:34 |
| ttx | devananda: looks like we have a winner | 21:34 |
| devananda | kgriffs: thanks! | 21:35 |
| ttx | devananda: i'll have to edit the slots on the scheduling site | 21:35 |
| devananda | yep. i wont schedule anything yet | 21:35 |
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| ttx | #action ttx to move slots around between Marconi and Ironic | 21:35 |
| ttx | will do that tomorrow morning. At this hour I would fumble it | 21:36 |
| mikal | So, perhaps I'm slow. I can see a commenting interface on summit.o.o. Where do I set things to approved / rejected etc? | 21:36 |
| ttx | mikal: you should have a "Review Nova topic" button on the main screen | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | mikal: you have to click on the "unreviewed" word on the far right | 21:36 |
| mikal | ttx: yep, clicked that | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | mikal: not the topic name | 21:37 |
| mikal | notmyname: ahhh, ok! | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | took me a while to find that too | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | mikal: I've been doing this for years and ttx just tought me about the rehoming today! | 21:37 |
| ttx | mikal: also the "Help" screen (link at bottom) is supposed to contain useful help | 21:37 |
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| mikal | Oh, you can't do that in the proposal view screen? | 21:37 |
| mikal | Just that summary list? | 21:37 |
| ttx | mikal: yes, you have to be on the review screen | 21:37 |
| mikal | Ok | 21:37 |
| mikal | I can live with that | 21:37 |
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| ttx | first person who tells me the site sucks gets a link to the openstack-infra repo which contains the code for it :) | 21:38 |
| devananda | heh | 21:38 |
| mikal | The site is wonderful! | 21:38 |
| devananda | ttx: it's awesome :) | 21:38 |
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| ttx | mikal: I KNOW! It has this little Launchpad feeling! | 21:38 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:39 |
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| ttx | might as well switch to that | 21:39 |
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| ttx | jeblair: looks like you have a duplicate on the SSO stuff | 21:40 |
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| jeblair | ttx: yes, i'm combining those 2 | 21:40 |
| ttx | jeblair: by the way, we are sharing the same pod! | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | I have questions about the Dev/Ops session(s) that were proposed | 21:41 |
| mikal | If we combine two proposals, do we end up with a proposal with two presenters? | 21:41 |
| notmyname | were those proposed to every project? | 21:41 |
| mikal | i.e. is that more politically acceptable than accepting one and rejecting the other? | 21:41 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: any chance you have space for this in oslo? http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/69 | 21:41 |
| dolphm | mikal: basically, yes | 21:41 |
| ttx | notmyname: I think that was Tom's plan yes | 21:41 |
| mikal | And then I can edit the proposal text to make it make sense? | 21:41 |
| notmyname | ah, yes. I see them now | 21:41 |
| ttx | mikal: so.. let me explain | 21:41 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: only if you promise all of you guys come and help us decide what to do -- I need your input on that one | 21:41 |
| dolphm | mikal: you end up with sessions like this http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/event/20465cd62e9054d4043dda156da5070e | 21:41 |
| zaneb | notmyname: I believe only projects who requested it, but that was quite a lot | 21:42 |
| dolphm | mikal: and all you can do is add some prefix text, which i didn't do there | 21:42 |
| dolphm | (yet) | 21:42 |
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| mikal | Hmmmm, ok | 21:42 |
| ttx | mikal: if you add more than one session on a time slot, it becomes a combined session with the two descriptions concatenated. You can edit the title of the session and add a small paragraph on top so that the thing doesn't look too ugly | 21:42 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: definitely, probably want qa folks there too | 21:42 |
| mikal | And the way you merge is in the scheduling UI? | 21:42 |
| annegentle | we have ten interns working this (northern hemisphere) summer on OpenStack through the Google Summer of Code and GNOME Outreach Program for Women programs | 21:42 |
| dolphm | mikal: i suppose you could also stomp on the proposed session descriptions to eliminate redundancy, etc | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: true | 21:43 |
| annegentle | ten! | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: ok, send it over, and I'll try to make room | 21:43 |
| notmyname | annegentle: nice! | 21:43 |
| dolphm | mikal: but do that individually before getting to the scheduling screen | 21:43 |
| ttx | mikal: but it's also valid to tweak one so that it includes the other and then reject session 2 | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: oops, I can change that one, nevermind | 21:43 |
| zaneb | annegentle: that's awesome :) | 21:43 |
| ttx | mikal: if you are comfortable with the proposers | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: hmm, no, I can't change the track | 21:43 |
| mikal | Ok, I will muddle around and do my best, making a lot of enemies in the process and leading to my ultimate downfall. Its a greek trajedy of summit organization really. | 21:43 |
| ttx | mikal: I can help you. | 21:44 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: it's probably going to be tricky scheduling it; there's a lot of infra/oslo/qa/docs/release overlap. i definitely want it to happen and attend though. | 21:44 |
| ttx | mikal: don't hesitate to ping me when you want to work on it | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | mikal: beware the ides of may | 21:45 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: yeah | 21:45 |
| ttx | mikal: and yes, you merge by dragging more than one session to the same time slot. | 21:45 |
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| mikal | ttx: thanks, I'm starting to fight with it now, but slowly | 21:45 |
| mikal | notmyname: so true | 21:45 |
| jeblair | ttx: how do we move to another topic? | 21:45 |
| devananda | ttx: does the UI support merging >2 proposals? | 21:46 |
| dolphm | devananda: yes | 21:46 |
| notmyname | jeblair: I know this one! click on the topic on the far left | 21:46 |
| devananda | dolphm: thanks | 21:46 |
| jeblair | ttx, notmyname: got it thx | 21:46 |
| dolphm | devananda: the session i linked above is 4 proposals merged into one session | 21:46 |
| ttx | notmyname: looks like I should make that a bit more discoverable. | 21:46 |
| ttx | devananda: yes | 21:46 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/69 moved to oslo. mtreinish: fyi on a session infra and qa folks should try to attend | 21:47 |
| ttx | dhellmann: maybe you should wait until the Docs/RelMgt/Infra/QA room is scheduled to do the Oslo scheduling | 21:47 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: ack | 21:47 |
| notmyname | ttx: IMO having one "edit" screen accessed by any link on that session would be nice | 21:47 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, good point | 21:47 |
| ttx | dhellmann: that should make choices easier | 21:48 |
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| ttx | notmyname: yes. I'll admit not having worked AT ALL on that app this cycle. | 21:48 |
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| dhellmann | seems much more important to spend time on story board | 21:49 |
| notmyname | ttx: also, when I was doing open compute project stuff, they were really wanting to use the same system for scheduling sessions at their conference. it's a popular thing! | 21:49 |
| lifeless | ttx: I'd really like to let more folk in the project twiddle the layout | 21:50 |
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| lifeless | ttx: ptl-only takes ptl from an arbitrator to a only-one-that-does situation | 21:50 |
| ttx | lifeless: it's just a convenience gateway, you don't have to make all the calls | 21:50 |
| zaneb | lifeless: +1. tbh, I'd love to see the selection/scheduling done in Gerrit | 21:50 |
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| lifeless | ttx: copying stuff out of it to an etherpad is painful and time consuming | 21:51 |
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| ttx | I just need to have one go-to name to complain to if it's not done | 21:51 |
| lifeless | ttx: thats fine - have a the PTL as ultimately responsible | 21:51 |
| dolphm | lifeless: do the twiddling in google docs or something, and then enter the final outcome into summit.openstack.org ? | 21:51 |
| lifeless | dolphm: sure - we're using etherpad. Its the copy-paste-sync thats painful | 21:51 |
| ttx | lifeless: but yeah, I guess the tool could allow for more collaboration in scheduling | 21:52 |
| lifeless | because you have an app that doesn't delegate | 21:52 |
| lifeless | and we tell people to use that app | 21:52 |
| ttx | lifeless: or we could have some export/import that would let you iterate off-tool with more people | 21:52 |
| lifeless | but many? most? projects don't scheule in it | 21:52 |
| lifeless | ttx: import-export to something gerrit managed would be sweet | 21:52 |
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| dolphm | ttx: maybe an export session titles and details links to csv feature? | 21:52 |
| jgriffith | gerrit for EVERYTHING | 21:53 |
| jgriffith | :) | 21:53 |
| jeblair | ttx: first cut of infra is pushed to sched | 21:53 |
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| dolphm | (but it takes awhile for sched.org to reflect) | 21:53 |
| ttx | yes, somehow sched takes time to show up stuff | 21:53 |
| ttx | dolphm: funny how it fails to detect a new topic | 21:54 |
| ttx | it takes anywhere from 5 to 60minutes for the new sessions to be recognized as a new topic | 21:55 |
| ttx | jeblair: pushed the tentative RelMgt schedule | 21:56 |
| jeblair | anteaya: ^ | 21:57 |
| ttx | OK, we are running out of time | 21:57 |
| ttx | Don't hesitate to ping me this week if you have questions | 21:58 |
| ttx | I'm away next week, so better ask questions this week | 21:58 |
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| ttx | Last words ? | 21:58 |
| anteaya | thanks | 21:58 |
| ttx | Oh. Vote! | 21:58 |
| mikal | ttx: thanks for the hand holding | 21:58 |
| anteaya | :D | 21:58 |
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| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 22 21:59:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-04-22-21.03.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-04-22-21.03.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-04-22-21.03.log.html | 21:59 |
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