Friday, 2014-06-20

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oomichiHi - so who's here today?00:01
alex_xuhi00:01
GMannHi00:01
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oomichiok, let's get started00:02
oomichi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaAPI#Agenda00:02
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oomichi^^^ is today agenda00:02
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oomichi#topic v2.1 on v3 API00:03
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oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/8469500:03
oomichinow the nova-spec of v2.1 is reviewed, and it got one +2 and need more.00:03
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oomichiI guess we will be able to get another +2 soon, and we can start it00:04
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oomichialex_xu, could you also develop it together?00:04
oomichifor  v2.1 api00:04
alex_xuyea, I asked more review on nova meeting. hope somebody notice it.00:05
oomichithanks, nice pushing:)00:05
oomichiI also wil try it later.00:05
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oomichiI think current spec is enough for v2.1 already, and just waiting for review.00:06
alex_xuthere is nova specs review day in next week00:06
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alex_xuthat is chance for us00:06
oomichiyes, right. 6/25 since http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-06-19-21.00.log.html00:06
oomichibut I hope the spec will be approved before it;-)00:07
alex_xume too :)00:07
oomichianyway, just need to waiting now.00:07
oomichiso are there anything else about v2.1?00:08
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GMann1 question-00:08
oomichiplease go ahead00:08
GMannas spec got 1 +2, can we restore the existing  patches for basic framework00:09
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oomichiGMann: yes, right. and now these patches are just WIP. not abandoned00:10
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oomichiGMann: so it is not necessary to restore, just removing WIP.00:10
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GMannohk.00:10
GMannThats good. Thanks00:11
oomichiOK, go the next topic00:11
oomichi#topic v2.1+microversion00:11
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oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/9613900:11
oomichi^^^ is spec for microversion.00:12
oomichiand there are many idea for microversion, that is great thing.00:12
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oomichiI think it is good to review it before specs review day.00:13
oomichito merge many proposals to a few.00:14
oomichione interesting idea is microvesion-up happens when backward incompatible change happens.00:15
oomichifrom alaski00:15
oomichithat seems nice idea for me.00:15
oomichithe above microversion means global single microversion, not extension microversion.00:16
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oomichiwhen backward compatible changes, not increase the single microversion.00:16
oomichijust increase extension microversion.00:16
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oomichithat seems the best in current proposals.00:17
GMannya, thats seems good. as it reduce the maintainance cose of lot of microversions00:17
oomichiGMann: yes, right. that is a point:)00:18
GMannand basically the overhead of lot of microversions from user points of view00:18
oomichiagree, users will confuse due to a lot of microversions.00:18
oomichiand it is difficult to specify the microversion in request header if there is a lot of microversions.00:19
GMannright.00:19
GMannI will have a look into the spec today. Thanks for information.00:20
oomichiso I hope many developers will review it.00:20
oomichiGMann: thanks in advance:)00:20
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oomichiok, move on the next topic.00:20
oomichi#topic input validation00:21
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oomichithis is my main working area ;-)00:21
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oomichithe nova-spec of api validation has been approved.00:21
oomichiand we can restart it now.00:21
alex_xugood news :)00:22
oomichithe patches are in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/v3-api-schema,n,z00:22
GMannYes, thats really good.00:22
oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/v3-api-schema,n,z00:22
oomichithanks:)00:22
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oomichiall of the link are for current APIs.00:23
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oomichibut I guess we need more api validation patches if porting more APIs to v2.1 API.00:24
oomichisuch as nova-network, image/volume-proxy apis.00:24
oomichiare there the other apis to need to implement api validation?00:25
oomichiI guess the above apis are all, but I have a concern I miss something.00:25
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oomichianyway, please let me know anything else:)00:27
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oomichi#topic tasks api00:27
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oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92005/00:27
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oomichi^^^ is spec of tasks api.00:28
oomichiand we are already reviewing it.00:28
oomichiI feel the spec also is enough already.00:29
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melwittoomichi: that link is v3 api policy spec00:30
oomichioh, sorry.00:30
oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86938/00:30
alex_xuheh :), thanks for pushing it00:30
oomichialex_xu: yea;-)00:31
GMann:)00:31
oomichiso, I guess all of the above links are our targets of nova-specs.00:31
oomichiincluding "v3 api policy spec"00:31
oomichiI hope we will review all of them before spec review day.00:32
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alex_xuyea, there is too much controversy for api policy, so hope it can be reviewed also.00:32
alex_xus/is/isn't/00:33
oomichialex_xu: i got it. will review it soon:-)00:33
alex_xuoomichi, thanks00:33
oomichialex_xu: one question about policy00:34
alex_xuoomichi, sure, please go ahead00:34
oomichialex_xu: current v3 policy represents v3 as is. but when v2.1, we use it as for v2.1 api.00:34
oomichiwill you rename it when v2.1?00:35
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oomichieg: compute_extension:v3:os-pci:show": "rule:admin_api",00:35
oomichi-> compute_extension:v2:os-pci:show": "rule:admin_api" or something.00:36
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alex_xuoomichi, good question, I'm not sure we can rename to v2.1, after we got microversion, the version will also change00:36
oomichialex_xu: ah, I see.00:37
yjiang5oomichi: I plan to asking question on pci API. We don't have v2 pci API, right?00:37
alex_xuoomichi,  I guess we may remove the version from the policy00:37
oomichithat is one topic of microversion.00:37
oomichiyjiang5: do you have spec for v2 pci api now?00:38
oomichialex_xu: ah, that seems nice idea.00:38
yjiang5oomichi: I plan to submit one, but not sure if we should do that still. We can talk in the open discussion.00:39
oomichiyjiang5: thanks:-)00:39
oomichiyjiang5: I guess we can have enough time for open discussion.00:39
oomichi#topic Tempest API response validation work00:40
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oomichiGMann: could you lead it?00:40
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GMannSure00:40
GMannProgress on this is good - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmYuZ6T4IJETdEVNTWlYVUVOWURmOERSZ0VGc1BBQWc#gid=300:40
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GMannand review progress also good. some more pending review can be found - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/nova-api-attribute-test,n,z00:41
oomichiGMann: thanks a lot, nice work:)00:41
oomichiGMann: is all of them on the link? or will you create more patches?00:42
oomichiGMann: for this work?00:42
GMannFor current tempest API test, it all about00:42
oomichiGMann: great, ok this list also my todo.00:42
GMannbut if we have ~36 % API which are not covered in tempest so those needs to be implement00:42
oomichiGMann: that means Tempest does not test 36% nova apis?00:43
GMannI think yes for V2 API. from https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmYuZ6T4IJETdEVNTWlYVUVOWURmOERSZ0VGc1BBQWc#gid=300:44
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oomichiGMann: thanks for your effort, I got it. I guess some non-tested api needs infra changes if testing on gate.00:45
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oomichiGMann: so 100% seems difficult to be covered.00:45
GMannyes, most of them are like that and looks like unnecessary for tempest00:45
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oomichiGMann: I see, I will review current queue on gerrit.00:46
GMannSo about API validation for those API needs to be implemented at Nova side? as in tempest it will be non run code.00:46
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GMannas shchema validation is required for 100% API00:47
oomichiGMann: that is good point, I hope do it but I feel it is difficult to do it now.00:47
oomichiGMann: so I think it is enough to test them with unittests of nova as the first step.00:48
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oomichiare there anything else about this topic?00:48
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GMannNothing else.00:49
GMannThanks00:49
oomichiGMann: thanks00:49
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oomichi#topic open discussion00:49
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oomichiyjiang5, could you talk about pci api?00:49
yjiang5oomichi: yes.00:49
oomichiyjiang5: is there any spec in gerrit already?00:50
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yjiang5oomichi: currently we have v3 PCI api, but no V2, because we were told V2 will be legacy. So my question is, should we still have V2 API for PCI?00:50
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oomichifor current v2 api?00:50
oomichinot v2.1 api?00:51
yjiang5oomichi: Wil v2.1 based on V3 API?00:51
oomichiyjiang: yes, right.00:51
yjiang5oomichi: so I assume we don't need any work, right?00:51
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oomichiyjiang: when we move to v2.1 api, we can use v3 api also.00:52
oomichiyjiang: right ;-)00:52
yjiang5oomichi: Possibly I should do more homework before I raise to this meeting. I will do more invesgitation, and possibly ping you in IRC, would it be ok? I think I need get the idea of micro version better.00:52
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oomichiyjiang: we can use v3 pci api without any works when moving v2.1 api.00:53
yjiang5oomichi: cool.00:53
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oomichiyjiang: Ok, I'm glad to work it together.00:53
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yjiang5oomichi: thanks.00:54
oomichiyjiang: np:)00:54
oomichiyjiang5: if you have any idea for microversion, it is very nice to share it on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96139/00:55
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oomichiyjiang5: anyway let talk it later:)00:55
yjiang5oomichi: sure.00:55
oomichiare there any topics here?00:55
oomichiok, thank you very much for joining!00:56
GMannThanks all. Have a nice day.00:57
oomichi#endmeeting00:57
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alex_xuthanks all00:57
oomichiyea, have a good day00:57
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schwickehi all16:09
Sajeeshhi16:09
schwickesorry for being late16:09
schwicke#startmeeting16:10
openstackschwicke: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'16:10
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schwicke#startmeeting HierarchicalMultitenancy16:12
openstackMeeting started Fri Jun 20 16:12:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is schwicke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:12
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:12
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raildohi16:17
Sajeeshhi raildo16:17
raildohi Sajeesh16:17
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raildoAs I promised I created the keystone-spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101017/16:19
raildo#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101017/16:19
schwickegreat16:19
Sajeeshgood16:19
schwickeI have some networking issues it seems. Just dropped out for a moment16:19
raildoThere are some things to be corrected, I intend to do that today.16:20
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schwicke#action Sajeesh review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101017/16:20
Sajeeshok ,I will check it16:20
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Sajeeshraildo,I have completed the design part and have started implementation16:21
raildoSajeesh: great16:21
schwickewe've been discussing a few things which need some clarification16:22
Sajeeshraildo,I will  mail you the design documentation in a couple of days16:22
raildosounds good to me16:23
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Sajeeshraildo,you had told that you wanted to discuss something regarding project deletion and relocation16:23
schwicke#topic design documentation16:23
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raildocorrect16:23
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schwickePersonally, I think that such features are useful, however, we should review if they are in the first iteration already16:25
raildoI talked in #openStack-keystone about the possibility of inclusion of a project in the middle of the hierarchy16:25
Sajeeshok16:25
raildoor deletation, or moving16:25
Sajeeshok16:25
schwickeI think deletion or moving are technically possible (if there is a use case for this)16:26
raildoschwicke: That's exactly what they told me16:26
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schwickeinserting is tricky16:26
morganfainbergthere are a lot of security concerns on moving16:26
Sajeeshyes16:26
schwickeexactly.16:26
raildoThey find it very complex for this first part.16:26
raildoyes16:26
Sajeeshsure16:26
morganfainbergi'd prefer to add insert/move after we know everything else is working16:26
morganfainbergif at all possible16:26
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raildoSo I believe that this initial design will not be allowed to do this.16:27
schwicke+116:27
morganfainbergwe can then address security concerns and keep a keen eye to that.16:27
schwickecorrect16:27
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morganfainbergrather than trying to cram it all in at once16:27
Sajeesh+116:27
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raildoI'll make that clear at Keystone-spec16:27
morganfainbergdeletion just is a question of recursive dleete or delete leaves first.16:27
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morganfainbergand either works for me.16:28
Sajeeshright16:28
morganfainbergas long as we're clear what is expected.16:28
schwicke#agreed insert and move into the tree is not for the initial release16:28
schwickefor the deletion part I think we have 2 options16:28
schwickeas you say16:28
schwickemaybe both can be supported, with the default being not to do a recursive delete16:29
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morganfainbergsure.16:29
schwickeif the user is allowed to then he could eventually explicitly say so16:29
morganfainbergas long as we're clear that is what we want in the spec, works for me16:29
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raildomy fear is that the user can delete recursively without knowing exactly what is below its hierarchy.16:30
schwickeindeed16:30
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schwickeThe safe option would be to simply disallow recursive removals all together in the first go ...16:31
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schwickeso you'd have to remove all leaves first manually16:31
raildoi agree16:31
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schwickeone could also argue that we could simply stick to this model, and then have some client tools which would allow for a recursive removal16:32
Sajeeshsounds good16:32
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schwickelater on I mean16:32
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schwickeAny objections ?16:32
raildonow, i believe we can create a function delete  and a function "delete_all" in future16:32
schwickeyes.16:33
schwicketo be seen if the delete_all is actually needed.16:33
schwickemaybe it is not ...16:33
raildo+116:33
SajeeshMeans,a project in the middle of a hierachy cannot be deleted ?16:34
schwickeso let's go for a simple delete which bails out with "in use" or similar if there are undeleted leaves16:34
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schwickesajeesh: it can but you have to remove all leaves before manually :)16:34
Sajeeshschwicke, sounds good16:34
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schwicke#agreed the first version will support a non-recursive delete function which will fail with "in use" or similar if the project to be deleted has children16:35
Sajeesh+116:35
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schwickeWe've been discussion internally as well about the option to  restrict the depth of the tree16:36
Sajeeshyes16:36
schwickeWe'd like to have your input on this16:36
raildothat's a good question16:37
schwicke#topic do we need an option to restrict the depth of the tree16:37
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schwickein our case our users are complex organizations by themselves, and there are often changes in staffing16:37
raildodo you have a number in mind? and some justification?16:37
schwickeI think we should not impose a default16:37
SajeeshI think it should be configurable16:38
raildo+116:38
schwickewhat we were thinking of is to have a configuration option eg in nova.conf which is optional and gives the maximum depth16:38
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schwickedefault could be unlimited.16:38
raildobut if the hierarchy will be in keystone, i believe that this configuration should be in keystone.conf16:39
schwickecorrect16:39
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Sajeeshyes16:39
schwickeof course :)16:39
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schwickeThinking of when to do that I believe that this feature should be present from the beginning16:40
schwickeOnce the tree is there it will be hard to get rid of it again, from experience ...16:40
Sajeeshtrue16:40
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raildoI think we can evaluate the performance of queries of this hierarchy. If we do not have a big delay, I agree to be unlimited.16:41
raildowe can begin to unlimited and evaluate this in the future16:41
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schwicketrue.16:41
Sajeeshok16:41
morganfainbergplease make the depth limit an option out the door16:41
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morganfainbergyou can default it to unlimited but i'd like to have it available out the gate16:42
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morganfainbergbut might be useful to have that tuning option to start16:42
schwickehmm16:42
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schwickemaybe unlimited is not such a good default at the end :)16:42
schwickefor the reason I mentioned above ...16:43
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morganfainbergyah16:43
schwickeeventually it is more clever to actually have a fairly strict limit on it.16:44
Sajeeshdefault can be a reasonable number16:44
schwickeIt is easy to grow but hard to shrink ...16:44
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morganfainbergschwicke, i like opting for overly strict to start (3?5?) and then expand16:44
morganfainbergi would absolutely make it a config option though16:44
schwicke+116:44
raildo+116:45
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schwicke#agreed as of the first release we should have a configuration option allowing to restrict the depth of the tree with a reasonable default of 3 or 516:45
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Sajeeshraildo,in the current implementation,whether a user having the role in the parent will be having the same role in all the child projects,which can only be overridden16:46
schwicke#topic role inheritance16:46
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Sajeeshuser having a role in the parent16:46
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schwickewe've had a chat with Tim Bell who told us that by default user rights are inherited from above in the tree16:47
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schwickeso by default the cloud admin or whoever is on top of the tree has full power on all the leaves16:48
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schwickeThe question now was if there is a possiblity to override this. There are use cases where this is not actually wanted, eg for security reasons.16:48
schwickeraildo: is it possible to override that in keystone ?16:49
raildoInherited roles already operate normally today, But work in relation to domains, ie, a user who has role on a domain, will be inherited to all projects within this domain16:49
SajeeshIt may not be acceptable for organizations who subscribe resource from outside vendor and also sensitive organizations16:50
raildoexcept the cloud admin. At the time I discussed with vish to create an exception for him.16:50
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Sajeeshok16:51
raildojust to be careful with the security16:51
Sajeeshok16:51
schwickeso the cloud admin will always have super user right ?16:51
raildobut a role associated with a project on a higher level, you can get a token for a project from a level below. since this role is inheritable.16:52
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schwickeok16:52
Sajeeshraildo,whether a lower level project can override it16:53
raildoThe idea is to make the cloud admin does not have access (by default) to all projects. he just "manage" the cloud.16:53
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schwickemakes sense to me16:53
raildoI did not think that possibility to override a role.16:53
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Sajeeshok16:54
schwickewe can surely postpone such a feature to a later release16:54
raildowe can better discuss this in another meeting, or email.16:54
Sajeeshok16:54
schwickeok16:54
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raildoThe time of the meeting today is almost over.16:55
schwicke#agreed to rediscuss the inheritance in a later meeting or via e-mail16:55
schwickeyes16:55
Sajeeshok16:55
schwicke#action Sajeesh to complete the design draft and send via e-amil16:55
Sajeeshok16:55
schwickelet's meet again in a week from now and see where we are16:55
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Sajeeshok16:56
raildogreat16:56
schwickeAOB?16:56
raildoI believe that the meeting was very productive16:56
SajeeshI will mail raildo16:56
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schwicke+116:56
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Sajeeshvery much16:56
schwickeso see you next week then!16:56
Sajeeshok16:56
schwicke#endmeeting16:56
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openstackMeeting ended Fri Jun 20 16:56:48 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:56
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openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchicalmultitenancy/2014/hierarchicalmultitenancy.2014-06-20-16.12.txt16:56
raildobye guys16:56
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchicalmultitenancy/2014/hierarchicalmultitenancy.2014-06-20-16.12.log.html16:56
schwickebye!16:57
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schwickehave a nice week end!16:57
raildoyou too16:57
Sajeeshbye16:57
Sajeeshnice weekend16:57
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