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| HenryG | Hi akamyshnikova_, jlibosva, rpodolyaka, salv-orlando, markmcclain | 12:59 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha | 13:00 |
| jlibosva | Hello | 13:00 |
| akamyshnikova_ | hi! | 13:00 |
| HenryG | #startmeeting neutron_db | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 23 13:00:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_db)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_db' | 13:00 |
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| HenryG | Agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDB#Agenda | 13:00 |
| HenryG | #topic Blueprint | 13:00 |
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| HenryG | The spec has a +2! Thanks salv-orlando! | 13:01 |
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| HenryG | Assuming there is not much left on the BP/spec, let's talk about implementation | 13:02 |
| HenryG | #topic Work in progress | 13:02 |
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| HenryG | The patch by akamyshnikova_ has hit a hiccup | 13:02 |
| akamyshnikova_ | I think the biggest question is updating the versions of sqlalchemy and alembic | 13:02 |
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| HenryG | #link https://review.openstack.org/96438 | 13:03 |
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| HenryG | Right. I am not familiar with the process for updating global requirements. | 13:03 |
| HenryG | Do we need to get that approved first, and how long does it take? | 13:04 |
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| HenryG | I assume all OpenStack projects are affected? | 13:04 |
| akamyshnikova_ | The oslo db will need this versions too | 13:04 |
| akamyshnikova_ | so I think yes | 13:05 |
| rpodolyaka | hmm, I don't we need to update the global requirements | 13:05 |
| rpodolyaka | the version number we have there is enough for us | 13:05 |
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| salv-orlando | “there” as neutron or oslo.db? | 13:06 |
| rpodolyaka | global-requirements and hence in all projects | 13:06 |
| HenryG | rpodolyaka: Jenkins comment on the patch: " | 13:07 |
| HenryG | gate-neutron-requirements http://logs.openstack.org/38/96438/11/check/gate-neutron-requirements/f3239f5 : Incompatible requirement found; see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Requirements" | 13:07 |
| * rpodolyaka looks | 13:07 | |
| salv-orlando | rpolodolyaka: obviously, thanks | 13:07 |
| rpodolyaka | ahh, akamyshnikova_ updated the lower bound, I missed that | 13:08 |
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| rpodolyaka | yeah, this will obviously conflict with global requirements | 13:08 |
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| jlibosva | You should send a patch to openstack/requirements | 13:08 |
| rpodolyaka | so the way we've been dealing with this in oslo.db so far is that we've been skipping the test if the version of sqlalchemy wasn't sufficient | 13:08 |
| rpodolyaka | but this won't work for us in neutron | 13:08 |
| rpodolyaka | as this is not something we can skip | 13:09 |
| rpodolyaka | so yeah, we'll need to update global-requirements | 13:09 |
| HenryG | Is this a big deal? | 13:09 |
| rpodolyaka | 0.8.4 has been released for a while, so this should not be a problem for distros | 13:09 |
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| salv-orlando | rpodolyaka: you know sqlalchemy better than anyone else in this room. I don’t think there is any concern in upgrading minimum requirement to 0.8.4 in globa, what do you reckon? | 13:09 |
| salv-orlando | ok I think you’ve already answered that | 13:10 |
| rpodolyaka | yeah :) | 13:10 |
| HenryG | What about alembic? | 13:10 |
| rpodolyaka | 0.7.8 is a way too old | 13:10 |
| rpodolyaka | AFAIR 0.6.2 was released about 5-6 months ago | 13:10 |
| * rpodolyaka haven't checked new LTSes, but 0.6.2 must be there | 13:11 | |
| HenryG | Sounds safe(ish) to me. | 13:11 |
| salv-orlando | what’s the reason for pinning alembic to 0,6,2 (just curious) | 13:11 |
| rpodolyaka | it adds the logic of unique constraints comparison | 13:12 |
| salv-orlando | ok got it | 13:12 |
| rpodolyaka | so no missing uniques detection without prior to 0.6.2 | 13:12 |
| rpodolyaka | the same is true for SA 0.8.4 | 13:12 |
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| HenryG | So we should submit a request to openstack/requirements? Any volunteers? | 13:13 |
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| rpodolyaka | akamyshnikova_: ? I'll +1 :) | 13:13 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | ok | 13:14 |
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| HenryG | #action akamyshnikova_ to submit request to openstack/requirements to bump min versions of sqlalchemy and alembic | 13:15 |
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| salv-orlando | info for updating globa reqs: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Requirements | 13:15 |
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| HenryG | Thanks salv-orlando | 13:16 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | salv-orlando, thanks! | 13:16 |
| HenryG | The other hiccup in the patch is: | 13:16 |
| HenryG | "Cannot drop index 'firewall_rules_ibfk_1': needed in a foreign key constraint" | 13:16 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | in my comment to Henry I describe why does this appear :) I think about some possible solutions. | 13:17 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | currently this is about unsync models and migrations | 13:18 |
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| HenryG | akamyshnikova_: can you summarize your possible solutions? Or do you want to discuss in the review? | 13:18 |
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| HenryG | My understanding is we should have a migration before healing to sync the models with the db. | 13:19 |
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| HenryG | But I could be wrong. | 13:20 |
| akamyshnikova_ | the main idea is check foreign keys before checking indexes separately or when we checking index check if there is a foreign key. | 13:21 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | In fact models almost sync with migrations except some arguable moments that are still on review or abandoned | 13:23 |
| HenryG | You mean to do this within the healing migration? | 13:23 |
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| akamyshnikova_ | yeah, in method remove_index or in separate one | 13:24 |
| HenryG | OK, sounds good. | 13:25 |
| HenryG | Any other questions on the WIP? | 13:25 |
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| HenryG | #topic Open discussion | 13:26 |
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| HenryG | I am still fuzzy on when exactly we should remove auto-generation of db schema from models at startup. | 13:27 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: ^^ | 13:28 |
| salv-orlando | HneryG: eventually | 13:28 |
| HenryG | OK :) | 13:29 |
| rossella_s | hello all, I just wanted to say that I am gonna work on adding a retry logic for failed db operations. I will file a spec this week, hopefully you guys can have a look :) | 13:29 |
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| salv-orlando | seriously, auto generation has a prerequisite which is bringing the migrations in sync with the models | 13:29 |
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| salv-orlando | other than that, you can go ahead with completing that work I think. | 13:29 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: I will at least keep the patch from going stale | 13:30 |
| HenryG | rossella_s: sounds good. Feel free to add me as a reviewer so I see it | 13:31 |
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| rossella_s | HenryG: I will | 13:31 |
| salv-orlando | rossella_s: are you talking about DBConnectionError, Deadlocks, or everything | 13:31 |
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| rossella_s | salv-orlando: DBConnectionError should be already handled, am I wrong? I was thinking of Deadlock as first step...I'd like to port the wrapper used in nova https://review.openstack.org/#/c/22276/3/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py | 13:32 |
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| salv-orlando | rossella_s: right. porting that deadlock wrapper is useful. altough I was wonder why is that not yet part of oslo.db, ropolyaka? | 13:33 |
| salv-orlando | ropodolyaka: ^ ^ | 13:33 |
| salv-orlando | but maybe we’re digressing now. I will hand it over to HenryG and wait for open discussion for going back to this. | 13:34 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: we are in open discussion :) | 13:34 |
| HenryG | And I was going to ask rpodolyaka about oslo.db | 13:35 |
| rpodolyaka | salv-orlando: it is, but it might be difficult for neutron to reuse it | 13:35 |
| rossella_s | HenryG: we have some time, right? 25 minutes left | 13:35 |
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| rossella_s | rpodolyaka: why difficult? | 13:35 |
| rpodolyaka | salv-orlando: as neutron doesn't have this DBAPI layer the other project do | 13:35 |
| HenryG | rpodolyaka: What are the plans to port neutron to oslo.db? | 13:35 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: that’s my call as I’m the liaison for neutron | 13:36 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: What are the plans to port neutron to oslo.db? :) | 13:36 |
| rpodolyaka | HenryG: I'm going to upload a patch this week | 13:36 |
| salv-orlando | I’m working on drafting a plan - I’d like to be able to push a spec by tomorrow | 13:36 |
| salv-orlando | but from what I’ve gathered we have two blockers - one is schema auto generation | 13:37 |
| salv-orlando | and the other is alembic. | 13:37 |
| HenryG | In what way is alembic a blocker? | 13:37 |
| salv-orlando | From what I gather oslo.db only supports sqlalchemy migrate atm. | 13:37 |
| salv-orlando | I would like to make a complete “migration” to oslo.db | 13:37 |
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| salv-orlando | and use alembic from there. But there are ways around this problme, it’s not a show stopper | 13:38 |
| rpodolyaka | salv-orlando: yeah, we have experimental alembic support but it's being polished | 13:38 |
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| rpodolyaka | salv-orlando: so it's not usable yet :( | 13:38 |
| rpodolyaka | we'll ask Mike to help us to get it merged | 13:38 |
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| HenryG | OK it sounds like plans are in place for addressing the blockers. It will just take time. | 13:40 |
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| HenryG | Any other questions? | 13:40 |
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| rossella_s | salv-orlando: I will wait for your spec regarding the port to oslo db and then from there draft something about the retry logic | 13:41 |
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| salv-orlando | ok rossella_s | 13:42 |
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| HenryG | Thanks everyone | 13:45 |
| HenryG | #endmeeting | 13:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 23 13:45:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-06-23-13.00.html | 13:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-06-23-13.00.txt | 13:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-06-23-13.00.log.html | 13:46 |
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| salv-orlando | adieu | 13:46 |
| jlibosva | bye | 13:46 |
| akamyshnikova_ | bye | 13:46 |
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| fthamura | mmeeeting meeting meeting ;) kwkwkw | 16:56 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 23 17:00:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:01 |
| sarob | Roll call | 17:01 |
| rluethi | hi | 17:01 |
| dguitarbite | hey | 17:01 |
| dguitarbite | guys | 17:01 |
| fthamura | hi all :) greet from jakarta | 17:01 |
| sarob | Evening | 17:01 |
| matjazp_ | hi all | 17:01 |
| sarob | Helloooo | 17:01 |
| sarob | Let's start | 17:01 |
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| sarob | I want to spend half the meeting on | 17:02 |
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| sarob | Current stable, testing, infra | 17:02 |
| sarob | Then last half on developer guide design | 17:02 |
| dguitarbite | +1 | 17:03 |
| sarob | #topic stable team | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable team (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:03 | |
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| dguitarbite | current focus is on install guide | 17:03 |
| dguitarbite | also fixing a few things from Associate and Operator guides | 17:04 |
| dguitarbite | to have better collaboration we had a meeting with Comcast guys over hangouts | 17:04 |
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| dguitarbite | Etherpad Link for Install Guides : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-install-guide | 17:04 |
| dguitarbite | I need to port my notes here | 17:05 |
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| dguitarbite | I am planning to use Etherpad for keeping various information about install guides | 17:05 |
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| dguitarbite | which sections to break from openstack-manuals and how to assemble them | 17:06 |
| dguitarbite | so we could also use this to show it to guys who maintain install guides | 17:06 |
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| sarob | Sounds good | 17:06 |
| dguitarbite | any suggestions? | 17:06 |
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| fthamura | any idea to break from os-manual, but keep linked? | 17:07 |
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| sarob | I'd reach out to Sam-I-am and others active on the install guides | 17:07 |
| fthamura | so we can know, this content from which chapter and section | 17:07 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: I plan to do that as soon as we are prepared with the changes to install guide on manuals | 17:07 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: we are already doing that, it is possible | 17:08 |
| annegent_ | he, sorry I'm late | 17:08 |
| annegent_ | will catch up next | 17:08 |
| sarob | Annegent_ no prob | 17:08 |
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| fthamura | i can see training manual have pattern, can we make template for all modules, apt-get, setting .conf, keystone create, load content, list, restart. ? | 17:09 |
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| fthamura | and this pattern linked to openstack-manual, and we can have like matrix installation | 17:09 |
| fthamura | i am working on that | 17:09 |
| annegent_ | fthamura: that's pretty much the install pattern isn't it? | 17:09 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: we will keep skeleton/basic framework and reuse the actual content from install guides from openstack-manuals | 17:09 |
| annegent_ | fthamura: the goal is to not replicate | 17:10 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: the distro switch and the content will be re-used | 17:10 |
| dguitarbite | we dont need to do the same thing again | 17:10 |
| fthamura | annegent_: this pattern help student to learn, and how easy install openstack | 17:10 |
| fthamura | dguitarbite: right!! :) | 17:10 |
| annegent_ | fthamura: the install guide already does that | 17:10 |
| annegent_ | fthamura: our goal with the install guide matches learning and easy installation, the training project will enhance it for a training lab setting | 17:10 |
| fthamura | annegent_: yup, already, and find nova db sync vs keystone db_sync / glance db_sync -> i think must submit bugs because different way of sync | 17:11 |
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| dguitarbite | fthamura: that is out of documentation's domain | 17:11 |
| annegent_ | dguitarbite: agreed, and yes fthamura I also agree that docs can push dev to be better about consistency but we have to document reality | 17:12 |
| fthamura | dguitarbite: +1, based on doc i can find input for developer and future version | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: you need to talk to the specific projects developers | 17:12 |
| fthamura | dguitarbite: working on it, and will update shortly, and hope this patch will make new revision for better doc/training manual instruction, the pattern become standard for next new openstack's project | 17:13 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite what's the plan for icehouse bugs? | 17:13 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I need to take a look into it | 17:13 |
| annegent_ | sarob: I have to step away for about 15 minutes, are we talking about -specs later in the meeting? | 17:13 |
| sarob | Yup | 17:13 |
| dguitarbite | I do not have any idea about the number of bugs now | 17:14 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: any thing specific about bugs? | 17:14 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite I'm looking for a timeline to review the current state of two books | 17:14 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite create the icehouse bugs along the way | 17:14 |
| dguitarbite | hmm, can I do some background checks and give you a realistic date in a day or two? | 17:15 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite so we can start handing out the big work | 17:15 |
| sarob | Bug | 17:15 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite okay. We not want to lose our audience by being out of date | 17:15 |
| sarob | Moving on? | 17:16 |
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| dguitarbite | yes | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | I will start a conversation in the docs mailing list soon | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | in a day mostly | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | *days time | 17:16 |
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| sarob | #action dguitarbite icehouse bug plan | 17:17 |
| sarob | #topic testing team | 17:17 |
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| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite will check the bugs for operators and associate guides | 17:17 |
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| matjazp_ | There is some overlap in responsibilities regarding quizzes/questions between Testing subgroup and Development/Stable Subgroup | 17:17 |
| matjazp_ | We should write content of the guide first, quizzes second, with a separate BP, right? | 17:17 |
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| matjazp_ | You need to see the content before you write quizzes about it… Otherwise, there could be a mismatch between content and quizzes… | 17:18 |
| sarob | Matjazp_ maybe. You can dig through the icehouse install guides | 17:18 |
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| sarob | Matjazp_ but I get your point. Maybe you can help dguitarbite get the icehouse bugs out | 17:19 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: that would be great | 17:19 |
| matjazp_ | Also... what is the BP granularity: write a separate BP for each chapter in each Guide? Or one BP for One Guide... | 17:19 |
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| dguitarbite | matjazp_: I think keep it logically seperate | 17:19 |
| dguitarbite | if one blueprint delivers the points, it should be good enough | 17:20 |
| sarob | Matjazp_ id like to have blueprints very task specific | 17:20 |
| matjazp_ | OK... many BPs than, one for each quizz | 17:20 |
| sarob | Matjazp_ think agile, blueprints as your backlog task | 17:20 |
| sarob | Card | 17:20 |
| fthamura | who is quizz team? can i part of ? and where the discussion discuss regarding question bank creation? | 17:21 |
| matjazp_ | -specs usage will be discussed later? | 17:21 |
| sarob | Matjazp_ in a few min | 17:21 |
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| matjazp_ | fthamura: sure... I'll make BPs as soon as we agree on spec usage | 17:21 |
| sarob | matjazp_ what's the plan with LPI ? | 17:21 |
| sarob | Matjazp_ can they be of help to us? | 17:22 |
| matjazp_ | sarob: can't say it yet... Will update as soon it is official | 17:22 |
| sarob | matjazp_ okay. Anything else? | 17:22 |
| matjazp_ | no | 17:22 |
| sarob | #topic infrastructure team | 17:22 |
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| sarob | We have the content getting updated | 17:23 |
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| sarob | Good work | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | We are almost done with the generic scripts | 17:24 |
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| dguitarbite | kudos to rleuthi | 17:24 |
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| sarob | we need to start thinking about new Jenkins jobs | 17:24 |
| sarob | Like lang builders | 17:24 |
| dguitarbite | yes, but there is still some time for that | 17:24 |
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| dguitarbite | we need to get the install scripts for OpenStack running | 17:25 |
| sarob | Openstack-manuals already has the ja out there | 17:25 |
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| sarob | Dguitarbite understood | 17:25 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: any thing on infra? | 17:25 |
| rluethi | you covered it pretty much. scripts are ready for testing. | 17:26 |
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| sarob | #action new Jenkins jobs after trainer scripts completed | 17:26 |
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| rluethi | I am concerned that nobody understood the magic that made Jenkins work all of a sudden. | 17:26 |
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| sarob | Rluethi me too | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | me too | 17:27 |
| sarob | CI is super critical and not well understood | 17:27 |
| * dguitarbite wondering if theres a god of binaries | 17:27 | |
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| sarob | We should study our tests well | 17:28 |
| sarob | Anything else? | 17:28 |
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| matjazp_ | dguitarbite: sure it is.. it's often on infra channel ;) | 17:28 |
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| dguitarbite | I may not have been magical, we changed the tox.ini which is referred by jenkins to run the CI jobs | 17:28 |
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| dguitarbite | Jenkins may be updating the tox.ini every * hours or so | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | we need to confirm that | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | since there was no other change and Rogers patch on infra was not merged | 17:29 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite that makes more sense | 17:29 |
| rluethi | but I couldn't find the actual copy job in the Jenkins config. | 17:29 |
| fthamura | can we use the install script in installation guide? or just jenkin specific? | 17:29 |
| sarob | Publish isn't it? | 17:29 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: need to take a look into it | 17:30 |
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| sarob | Fthamura Jenkins is the tool that builds the guides, verifies the code | 17:30 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: yeah, we should. | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | it very well can be a trigger from manuals which is copying it, which would be bad since we need to control that | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: you want to take up the investigation? | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: http://jenkins-ci.org/ | 17:32 |
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| rluethi | dguitarbite: I can take another look, and then we can discuss the findings. how's that? | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | sounds good | 17:32 |
| matjazp_ | rluethi: how about infra channel? just post there? | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp_: we need to make sure that we are doing it right from our end before approacing infra with this issue, what do you guys think? | 17:33 |
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| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite rluethi investigate jenkins jobs for training-guides | 17:33 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: agreed | 17:33 |
| sarob | Docs people understand their jobs a lot better than infra | 17:33 |
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| sarob | I'd start there | 17:33 |
| rluethi | andreas is back :) | 17:33 |
| fthamura | +1 agree, doc make we are more structured and organized :) | 17:34 |
| sarob | Righto | 17:34 |
| sarob | Move on? | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | one more thing | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | we need the server for setting up ZNC | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | for our core reviewers | 17:34 |
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| sarob | Ah boy | 17:35 |
| sarob | I dropped that | 17:35 |
| fthamura | ZNC? | 17:35 |
| sarob | Irc bouncer | 17:35 |
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| rluethi | fthamura: http://wiki.znc.in/ZNC | 17:35 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite I'll forward user info today | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | sure | 17:35 |
| sarob | Me flake | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | Ill ping you on skype after I wake up | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: no issues | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | :) | 17:36 |
| sarob | #topic spec, blueprint, how to | 17:36 |
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| sarob | Annegentle around ? | 17:36 |
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| sarob | Let's start with our team | 17:36 |
| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100993/ | 17:37 |
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| matjazp_ | annegent_: specs/BP talk? | 17:37 |
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| annegent_ | so just wanted to say, I like the idea of specs, but that I want them organized a particular way, so I wanted to talk about that here | 17:37 |
| sarob | I started writing up spec patches for our team to debate and review | 17:37 |
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| annegent_ | and on the mailing list -- | 17:38 |
| matjazp_ | annegent_: what's you proposal? | 17:38 |
| annegent_ | sarob: yes, but the doc program does not current have specs, and we run specs through the program. | 17:38 |
| annegent_ | so what I'd like is a doc-specs repo with training in one directory, api in another, users in another, and admin or ops in another | 17:39 |
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| annegent_ | I can propose this to the list but wanted your take | 17:39 |
| sarob | Annegentl_ hmm, okay. We haven't discussed training guide books as the larger team before | 17:39 |
| annegent_ | sarob: which larger team? | 17:39 |
| dguitarbite | annegent_: +1 for docs-specs repo | 17:39 |
| dguitarbite | other projects have seperate repo for specs | 17:39 |
| dguitarbite | I guess better for managing the History | 17:39 |
| annegent_ | dguitarbite: yep | 17:39 |
| sarob | Annegentl_ I'm happy to do it | 17:40 |
| annegent_ | out of the summit I figured the roadmaps would be enough for docs, but now I think doc-specs is what we need | 17:40 |
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| sarob | annegent_ it would be great to get broad input on design | 17:40 |
| annegent_ | doc-specs should also help with the install guide reuse, that sort of thing | 17:40 |
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| sarob | annegent_ I like it. Team? | 17:41 |
| matjazp_ | sarob: annegent_: in the mean time, we can still use "our" specs? | 17:41 |
| annegent_ | and I want you guys to think of yourselves as a team within the Documentation Program | 17:41 |
| dguitarbite | +1 for doc-specs repo | 17:41 |
| matjazp_ | +1 | 17:41 |
| * rluethi shrugs | 17:41 | |
| rluethi | sure | 17:41 |
| annegent_ | matjazp_: sarob: it just means moving to another repo is all | 17:41 |
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| sarob | anngent_ can I get the new repo going today? | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp_: it will not make any difference for the blueprints, just change it from backend | 17:42 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite agreed | 17:42 |
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| annegent_ | sarob: what I asked last week was a mailing list post, can you start there and point to a patch that contains the new repo? (double up for efficiency) | 17:42 |
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| sarob | Annegent_ does the docs-spec repo exist? | 17:43 |
| annegent_ | sarob: no it does not | 17:43 |
| annegent_ | sarob: that's what we're discussing now, whether to create it | 17:44 |
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| annegent_ | I also think we'll need to talk about whether the dev specs template is what we want | 17:44 |
| annegent_ | or if we need a different template | 17:44 |
| sarob | annegent_ okay, so I will post our list of specs to the docs ML to add to the overall discussion | 17:44 |
| annegent_ | I also don't know if you can have a separate review team per directory in a repo | 17:45 |
| matjazp_ | sarob: ok, so discussion and voting will be on ML? | 17:45 |
| sarob | Annegentl_ why not? | 17:45 |
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| annegent_ | sarob: I think it'd be great to have a separate review team per directory but I don't know if it's technologically feasible already | 17:46 |
| sarob | Matjazp_ voting needs to be gerrit | 17:46 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp_: for the initial Repo setup, yes | 17:46 |
| dguitarbite | but once the specs repo is setup | 17:46 |
| dguitarbite | it will be similar to code review | 17:46 |
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| dguitarbite | on gerrit | 17:46 |
| matjazp_ | dguitarbite: of course.. was talking about first setup and proposed layout of specs | 17:46 |
| annegent_ | we're talking about something like nova-specs https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova-specs,n,z | 17:46 |
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| sarob | Annegent_ we just follow this #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-guides#Create_a_Blueprint | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp_: I guess, the discussion will start from there, but the initial setup is also a commit to the new repo | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite | it should use gerrit | 17:47 |
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| annegent_ | sarob: but you just made that process up, right? we need to think of the bigger picture and existing patterns that people will recognize | 17:47 |
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| sarob | annegent_ well yes we made it | 17:47 |
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| annegent_ | sarob: right, so I'm asking that you bring this pattern to the docs mailing list -- I think it's a match and I don't want a one-off process so hence my request | 17:48 |
| sarob | Annegent_ we start there is what I am pointing out. | 17:48 |
| sarob | #action sarob post current training guides specs to the docs ML | 17:49 |
| annegent_ | sarob: what we do currently is step 1 but then step 2 forward is all done on the wiki. I'm asking for step 2 to be in a doc-spec repo | 17:49 |
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| annegent_ | sarob: no the action is for you to post a proposal to use a doc-specs repo | 17:50 |
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| annegent_ | sarob: is it possible to revise actions? I dunno meetbot :) | 17:50 |
| dguitarbite | annegent_: I think its above meetbots pay grade ;) | 17:51 |
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| sarob | #action sarob propose docs-spec repo to docs ML | 17:51 |
| annegent_ | dguitarbite: heh. | 17:51 |
| fthamura | is there doc-spec's draft? so i can know, what will be inside? | 17:51 |
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| annegent_ | fthamura: that's also part of the discussion, is the dev template appropriate for us? | 17:51 |
| rluethi | actually, there should be #undo | 17:51 |
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| rluethi | but it works on the last item, so too late now. | 17:51 |
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| sarob | #undo stupid stuff | 17:52 |
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| sarob | OOO ahhhh | 17:52 |
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| annegent_ | ooo! | 17:52 |
| matjazp_ | sarob: :)) | 17:52 |
| annegent_ | irobot do you? :) | 17:52 |
| dguitarbite | nice one roger | 17:52 |
| dguitarbite | :) | 17:52 |
| fthamura | annegent_: what do u mean of "is appropirate for us?"? | 17:53 |
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| annegent_ | fthamura: the template is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87596/7/specs/template.rst | 17:53 |
| annegent_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87596/7/specs/template.rst | 17:53 |
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| sarob | #action sarob propose docs-spec repo to doc ML | 17:54 |
| annegent_ | #action Anne to respond to sarob's post with discussion about the template | 17:54 |
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| annegent_ | I really want us to go in this direction, let's make it happen this week | 17:54 |
| sarob | I think we are good now | 17:54 |
| sarob | Annegent_ this morning | 17:54 |
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| sarob | #topic any other business | 17:55 |
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| matjazp_ | ok.. so I'll delay new BPs for few days | 17:55 |
| sarob | 5 minute warning | 17:55 |
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| annegent_ | sarob: gogogo | 17:55 |
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| fthamura | matjazp_: what is BPs? i see several time mentioned here. | 17:55 |
| sarob | Matjazp_ put the details into the wiki for right now | 17:55 |
| matjazp_ | BP=BluePrint | 17:55 |
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| matjazp_ | sarob: its already there | 17:56 |
| dguitarbite | I guess, we meet later for discussing about Developer Guides design | 17:56 |
| sarob | Matjazp sweet | 17:56 |
| rluethi | fthamura: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints | 17:56 |
| fthamura | aha :) thx ;) | 17:56 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite yes, it's gotten mixed up in this process change | 17:57 |
| annegent_ | or discuss in the blueprint :) | 17:57 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: yeah, lets discuss the time then or keep it for next week? | 17:57 |
| sarob | Next week I think | 17:57 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 17:57 |
| sarob | We can start a doc ML thread in the mean time | 17:57 |
| * dguitarbite +1 | 17:58 | |
| matjazp_ | sarob: agree | 17:58 |
| sarob | Coolo | 17:58 |
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| sarob | Anything else ? | 17:58 |
| sarob | silence = acceptance | 17:59 |
| sarob | Cheers people | 17:59 |
| annegent_ | that's all I got | 17:59 |
| matjazp_ | bye | 17:59 |
| annegent_ | thanks sarob dguitarbite matjazp_ rluethi fthamura :) | 17:59 |
| rluethi | bye | 17:59 |
| Guest87913 | bye | 17:59 |
| dguitarbite | bye | 17:59 |
| fthamura | bye ;) | 17:59 |
| dguitarbite | thanks for attending the meeting :) | 17:59 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 23 17:59:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-23-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-23-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-23-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
| fthamura | i am new, so listening mode on :) | 17:59 |
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| sarob | Fthamura keep lurking | 18:00 |
| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 23 18:00:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:00 |
| fthamura | sarob: yup, still learning how to understand the way all of you work | 18:00 |
| anteaya | who is here for the third-party meeting? | 18:00 |
| lyxus | I am | 18:00 |
| anteaya | great | 18:00 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 18:00 |
| thingee | anteaya: o/ | 18:00 |
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| anteaya | awesome | 18:00 |
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| sweston | o/ | 18:00 |
| anteaya | nice to see you thingee | 18:00 |
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| anteaya | cool | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | let's get rolling | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | a light agenda so far, if you add an item mid-meeting tell me so I can refresh the wikipage and see it | 18:01 |
| anteaya | our agenda | 18:01 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:01 |
| anteaya | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | welcome everyone | 18:02 |
| anteaya | here is the openstack mission if you don't already know it | 18:02 |
| anteaya | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | #info | 18:02 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__ to rename driverlog ci tested? to ci exists | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | ilyashakhat: are you in attendance? | 18:03 |
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| anteaya | apparently not | 18:03 |
| anteaya | #link http://www.stackalytics.com/report/driverlog | 18:03 |
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| anteaya | so the rename happened, thanks ilyashakhat and driverlog team | 18:04 |
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| anteaya | there are still a number of questions I have and changes I would like to see, so perhaps another agenda item in future | 18:04 |
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| anteaya | moving on | 18:04 |
| anteaya | #topic Announcements | 18:04 |
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| anteaya | anyone have any announcements? | 18:05 |
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| anteaya | I don't have any | 18:05 |
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| anteaya | next topic then | 18:05 |
| anteaya | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:05 |
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| anteaya | #info patches up for third_party.rst http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html (anteaya) | 18:05 |
| anteaya | I have two patches up to make changes to third_party.rst | 18:06 |
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| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101013/ | 18:06 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101227/ | 18:06 |
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| anteaya | please take the time to review and comment | 18:06 |
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| anteaya | anyone have any comments now? | 18:06 |
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| lyxus | looks perfect for me | 18:07 |
| anteaya | lyxus: thank you | 18:07 |
| anteaya | anyone else with any feedback? | 18:07 |
| asselin | anteaya, just got back from vacation so didn't look at them | 18:07 |
| anteaya | asselin: welcome back | 18:08 |
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| anteaya | you can look at them when you have time | 18:08 |
| asselin | sure | 18:08 |
| anteaya | and thank you | 18:08 |
| anteaya | shall we move on? | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | they look good, I only had the one super minor nit | 18:08 |
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| anteaya | krtaylor: I depend on your nits | 18:08 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:08 |
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| krtaylor | hehheh | 18:08 |
| anteaya | :D | 18:08 |
| anteaya | anyone else have any other items from openstack programs? | 18:09 |
| anteaya | okay next topic | 18:09 |
| anteaya | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:09 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have any deadlines or deprecations that they haven't communicated in this meeting yet? | 18:09 |
| anteaya | thingee: anything from cinder? | 18:10 |
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| anteaya | okay moving on | 18:11 |
| anteaya | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:11 |
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| anteaya | anyone maintaining a third party ci account with any items this week? | 18:11 |
| thingee | anteaya: not at the moment :) | 18:11 |
| anteaya | thingee: kk, thanks | 18:11 |
| sweston | not from us | 18:12 |
| anteaya | sweston: great | 18:12 |
| lyxus | nothing here too | 18:12 |
| anteaya | okay | 18:12 |
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| anteaya | I have a question | 18:12 |
| anteaya | I don't know if anyone was following the exchange on the infra ml | 18:12 |
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| anteaya | but the question of hosting logs came up | 18:12 |
| lyxus | about the dropbox ? | 18:12 |
| anteaya | what are people using to host the logs | 18:12 |
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| anteaya | yes, the dropbox email discussion | 18:12 |
| lyxus | apache web server | 18:13 |
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| anteaya | lyxus: thanks | 18:13 |
| anteaya | sweston: you? | 18:13 |
| sweston | anteaya: I have been following it closely. Your recommendation was a good one, apache over https is a solid solution | 18:13 |
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| anteaya | sweston: thanks, is that what you are doing now? | 18:13 |
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| lyxus | https might be a bit overkill though | 18:13 |
| sweston | anteaya: I would recommend that people purchase an ssl certificate however | 18:13 |
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| anteaya | sorry when I said secure I should have choosen a different word | 18:14 |
| asselin | I'm just about to start setting that up. I was planning to do http | 18:14 |
| anteaya | I didn't requrie https | 18:14 |
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| akerr | https seems odd for open source logs 😊 | 18:14 |
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| anteaya | I required that the server is not open to hacking | 18:14 |
| anteaya | which happened with another ci account | 18:14 |
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| anteaya | what would should I have used if 'secure' was the wrong one? | 18:14 |
| sweston | https has some benefits, including ensurance that the client is actually using your server | 18:14 |
| lyxus | anteaya, I never said that you did :) I was refering to sweston message :) | 18:15 |
| hemna | anteaya, I'm setting up a vm on hpcloud to host our 3rd party CI logs. was planning on just using apache to serve them up. | 18:15 |
| kevinbenton | what was the reason for https. is there sensitive information in some of these logs? | 18:15 |
| anteaya | hemna: thanks | 18:15 |
| hemna | I was not planning on using https | 18:15 |
| anteaya | no, I didn't mean that https is required | 18:15 |
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| krtaylor | PowerKVM is using the IBM SoftLayer swift service | 18:15 |
| anteaya | I meant prevent someone from hacking your server | 18:15 |
| anteaya | how should I have said, set up a server, prevent it from being hacked and put apache on it? | 18:16 |
| lyxus | anteaya, maybe says a "hardened server" | 18:16 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: interesting | 18:16 |
| anteaya | ah a better term thank you, a hardened server | 18:16 |
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| anteaya | I'll use that | 18:16 |
| anteaya | to clear up any confusion I may have cause | 18:17 |
| anteaya | https is not a requirement | 18:17 |
| sweston | anteaya: maybe as a recommendation, but not a requirement. and I wouldn't recommend using hardened that really has a different meaning | 18:17 |
| anteaya | when serving logs | 18:17 |
| anteaya | sweston: hmmmm, what does hardened mean to you? | 18:17 |
| anteaya | maybe I should just say 'a server that won't be hacked' | 18:17 |
| anteaya | since that is what I mean | 18:17 |
| jgriffith | anteaya: sounds a lot like a challenge :) | 18:18 |
| anteaya | oh great | 18:18 |
| jgriffith | hehe | 18:18 |
| anteaya | now I am digging myself holes | 18:18 |
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| jgriffith | sorry... couldn't resist | 18:18 |
| anteaya | I'm open to better wording | 18:18 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 18:18 |
| sweston | anteaya: hardened means that steps have been taken to prevent compromise of the server, this usually means ids and ips and significant customization | 18:18 |
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| anteaya | oh | 18:19 |
| asselin | anteaya, can you be more specific to what happened in the other ci case? | 18:19 |
| anteaya | yeah, not neccessary | 18:19 |
| anteaya | asselin: sure | 18:19 |
| anteaya | trianths set up a server, rendering the logs timed out for me | 18:19 |
| anteaya | he assured me he could reach the logs | 18:19 |
| anteaya | I told him timeouts were unacceptable, and to review his server logs | 18:19 |
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| anteaya | he had been hacked | 18:20 |
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| anteaya | how do I say, don't let that happen to you | 18:20 |
| anteaya | to others setting up logs? | 18:20 |
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| sweston | I would need to think about the wording some more | 18:21 |
| anteaya | okay we can leave it until next time, or we can discuss it on the ml thread | 18:21 |
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| anteaya | others are welcome to contribute | 18:21 |
| anteaya | remember I have never set up one of these systems myself | 18:21 |
| anteaya | so I am always glad when someone who has is willing to share their experiences | 18:22 |
| asselin | yes, I don't think anyone is trying to be hacked.... | 18:22 |
| anteaya | I would just like to avoid more server logs being hacked in future | 18:22 |
| anteaya | right | 18:22 |
| asselin | so maybe we need e.g. a predefined image that others can use....for example. | 18:22 |
| anteaya | but if this is someone's first time setting up a server, they might not know basic maintenance | 18:22 |
| anteaya | ah then we are into maintenance of the image | 18:23 |
| anteaya | which I am unwilling to take on | 18:23 |
| anteaya | not saying it is a bad idea | 18:23 |
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| anteaya | saying that tools require maintenance | 18:23 |
| asselin | where does infra store their log files? can we upload there? | 18:23 |
| sweston | yes, maybe it would be better to make some general recommendations for log servers | 18:23 |
| anteaya | asselin: that is a good question | 18:23 |
| anteaya | logs.openstack.org | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | asselin, no, there is not enough room | 18:24 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: is that what it was, space constraints? | 18:24 |
| anteaya | sweston: I agree | 18:24 |
| sweston | for example, remote syslog, replication, file versioning | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | initially, it was discussed, but logs have exploded and with the 3rd party requirements, it is just too much need | 18:24 |
| sweston | but be clear that the only requirement is that the logs are available for other to review | 18:25 |
| anteaya | anyone willing to open an etherpad so we can work on a draft for general recommendations for log servers? | 18:25 |
| sweston | and how long they should be available for | 18:25 |
| krtaylor | 1 month | 18:25 |
| asselin | perhaps the 'image' used by openstack can be used by third parties? | 18:25 |
| krtaylor | we discussed at last summit | 18:25 |
| anteaya | asselin: what image are we referring to? | 18:25 |
| asselin | the image used by this: logs.openstack.org | 18:25 |
| anteaya | I am not following | 18:26 |
| sweston | yup, here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LogServerGeneralRecommendations | 18:26 |
| anteaya | sweston: thank you | 18:26 |
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| anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LogServerGeneralRecommendations | 18:26 |
| asselin | someone at openstack setup a server that "cannot be hacked". Perhaps they have an image or a script already defined we can re-use. | 18:26 |
| anteaya | asselin: ah | 18:27 |
| anteaya | those are our puppet manifests | 18:27 |
| anteaya | publicly available | 18:27 |
| anteaya | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/manifests/site.pp | 18:28 |
| anteaya | manifest for all infra servers ^ | 18:28 |
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| anteaya | any one else have anything to say on this? | 18:29 |
| asselin | I don't see it "defined" just consumed | 18:29 |
| anteaya | some of us have moved to the etherpad | 18:29 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: tells me it is part of the static.o.o host | 18:31 |
| asselin | anteaya, thanks | 18:31 |
| clarkb | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/openstack_project/manifests/static.pp#n68 | 18:32 |
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| clarkb | though long term plan is still to move to swift | 18:32 |
| clarkb | we have hit a speed bump with a jenkins plugin being silly though | 18:32 |
| anteaya | clarkb: thanks | 18:32 |
| anteaya | which plugin? | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | clarkb, are you still interested in how we are pushing to swift? | 18:33 |
| sweston | clarkb: I know what you mean, jenkins has been my biggest blocker lately as well | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | I wasn't sure if we were switching to zuul approach | 18:33 |
| clarkb | krtaylor: yes very interested | 18:33 |
| anteaya | clarkb: well it is the third party meeting and you may have the floor | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | clarkb, ok, sorry for the delay, I went on vacation | 18:33 |
| anteaya | welcome to expand if you wish | 18:33 |
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| clarkb | uh | 18:34 |
| krtaylor | clarkb, always has the floor :) | 18:34 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 18:34 |
| anteaya | but not if you don't have time | 18:34 |
| clarkb | so zuul has learned how to pass swift time bound HMAC urls | 18:34 |
| anteaya | sorry I know you aren't prepared | 18:34 |
| clarkb | into the jobs | 18:34 |
| notmyname | clarkb: that's cool! | 18:34 |
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| clarkb | so we can pass relatively safe credentials to jobs that we don't trust that only allow them to upload to a specific location for a specified time period | 18:35 |
| clarkb | unfortunately the data zuul gives the job is newline delimited and the jenkins envinject plugin thinks newlines should be converted to ? | 18:35 |
| clarkb | er > | 18:35 |
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| clarkb | so we either need to remove that plugin, upgrade that plugin, or go with a different data format | 18:35 |
| clarkb | jhesketh has done most of the work around this | 18:35 |
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| clarkb | we are very excited for the switch but need to sort out what we are going to do with that plugin first | 18:36 |
| clarkb | probably remove it completely | 18:36 |
| clarkb | but that requires we convert a couple jobs that depend on it first | 18:36 |
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| clarkb | and I think that is all I have | 18:36 |
| anteaya | thanks clarkb | 18:37 |
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| anteaya | anyone with questions for clarkb? | 18:37 |
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| anteaya | okay well jhesketh in in au, so if anyone is in that timezone and wants to help with the conversion, you will learn a lot about infra processes | 18:38 |
| anteaya | and we are grateful for your help | 18:38 |
| clarkb | notmyname: yes very cool and excited to get this working | 18:38 |
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| clarkb | notmyname: it should allow us to care a lot less about our log server :) | 18:38 |
| anteaya | anyone object if we change the topic to open discussion? | 18:39 |
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| anteaya | here we go | 18:39 |
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| anteaya | #topic Open Discussion | 18:39 |
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| notmyname | clarkb: nice. the point of swift is to offload the hard problems of storage so you just worry about your app. perfect use case! | 18:39 |
| clarkb | indeed | 18:39 |
| anteaya | anyone have any items for open discussion? | 18:39 |
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| anteaya | in addition to swift being a great option for log storage? | 18:40 |
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| notmyname | :-) | 18:40 |
| notmyname | anteaya: s/log// | 18:40 |
| notmyname | ;- | 18:40 |
| notmyname | ) | 18:40 |
| anteaya | true | 18:40 |
| anteaya | a great option for storage | 18:40 |
| anteaya | anything else on anyone's mind? | 18:41 |
| anteaya | I don't want to cut you off but I don't want to drag on if we are done for today | 18:41 |
| sweston | I have something | 18:41 |
| anteaya | sweston: | 18:41 |
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| sweston | has there been any effort to create any standards on how long a system has to report their results back to Gerrit? | 18:42 |
| anteaya | ah | 18:42 |
| anteaya | so length of time for tests to run | 18:42 |
| anteaya | not that I am aware | 18:42 |
| sweston | I can see that this may take some significant effort and time | 18:42 |
| anteaya | sweston: is there a reason you ask? | 18:43 |
| anteaya | how long are your test runs taking? | 18:43 |
| sweston | not more than about 30 minutes | 18:43 |
| anteaya | fabulous | 18:43 |
| sweston | but i've seen (and heard of) other systems taking days | 18:44 |
| anteaya | really? | 18:44 |
| sweston | wondering what sort of problems this may cause | 18:44 |
| anteaya | many | 18:44 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: | 18:44 |
| sweston | yay, clarkb | 18:44 |
| clarkb | delay like that would make me less likely to listen to third party results | 18:44 |
| clarkb | which really impacts that particular third party more than anyone else | 18:45 |
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| krtaylor | I remember discussions centering around ~4 hours | 18:45 |
| anteaya | and third party as a whole | 18:45 |
| clarkb | ya | 18:45 |
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| anteaya | since in the eyes of the community third party is a group and is evaluated by the actions of any system | 18:45 |
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| anteaya | so systems running wild reduce trust in all third party ci | 18:46 |
| sweston | so should there be a limit defined, somewhere. that if you don't report back within a certain amount of time, your system has missed it's chance | 18:46 |
| anteaya | or running poorly | 18:46 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: do you recall where the ~4 hour conversation took place? | 18:46 |
| anteaya | I don't remember that one | 18:46 |
| anteaya | sweston: yes I think so | 18:47 |
| anteaya | sweston: would you like to offer either a thread to the mailing list to kick off that discussion? | 18:47 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, I don't remember exactly, if not infra then nova I would think | 18:47 |
| anteaya | and then if ~4 hours is the consensue we have a log of it | 18:47 |
| sweston | anteaya: absolutely, I will start drafting it now | 18:47 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: kk | 18:47 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:48 |
| anteaya | sweston: if you draft in an etherpad others can join you | 18:48 |
| krtaylor | it would prob be worth discussing again | 18:48 |
| anteaya | and offer edits | 18:48 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: /me nods | 18:48 |
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| anteaya | so this one with go to the ml, please weigh in with your thoughts when it does | 18:49 |
| sweston | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ThirdPartyTimeLimits | 18:49 |
| anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ThirdPartyTimeLimits | 18:49 |
| anteaya | and support sweston's email draft please | 18:49 |
| anteaya | anything else for today? | 18:49 |
| anteaya | okay | 18:49 |
| anteaya | I'd like to thank everyone for attending | 18:50 |
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| anteaya | our meetings are still small but they are starting to become rather productive | 18:50 |
| sweston | :-D | 18:50 |
| anteaya | thanks everyone for your contributions | 18:50 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 18:50 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 18:50 |
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| devananda | hi all! who's here for Ironic meeting? | 19:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 19:00 |
| adam_g | o/ | 19:00 |
| Shrews | yo | 19:00 |
| ifarkas | o/ | 19:00 |
| rloo_ | o/ | 19:00 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:00 |
| linggao | Hi all | 19:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:00 |
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| romcheg | o/ | 19:00 |
| yuriyz | o/ | 19:00 |
| mrda | o/ | 19:00 |
| BadCub | hi all | 19:01 |
| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 23 19:01:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| jroll | \o | 19:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:01 |
| devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 19:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:01 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:01 |
| devananda | as usual, the agenda can be found ^ | 19:01 |
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| devananda | #topic greetings, announcement, etc | 19:02 |
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| devananda | I think the "bug tag" announcement may have been left from last week, but to reiterate | 19:02 |
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| devananda | as we are filing and triaging bugs, let's try to tag them using the official tags | 19:02 |
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| devananda | also, lots of thanks to dtantsur for work on that :) | 19:03 |
| dtantsur | np :) | 19:03 |
| mrda | +1 | 19:03 |
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| devananda | as for the midcycle meetup(s), there's info here for ours | 19:03 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/BeavertonJunoSprint | 19:03 |
| dtantsur | action for me or somebody: to add the same tags to python-ironicclient | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | should this be done by the bug submiter or person doing triage | 19:03 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: either one | 19:04 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, both | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | ack ack :) | 19:04 |
| devananda | if you are able to make it to the Ironic meetup, please RSVP on the links from that wiki page | 19:04 |
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| devananda | so we can tell the venue how many to expect | 19:04 |
| devananda | I've estimated that we'll be between 20 and 30 ppl ... | 19:04 |
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| Shrews | How many plan to attend the TripleO one instead/as well? | 19:05 |
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| dtantsur | sorry for interrupting you: is anyone attending meet-up in Paris in the beginning of June? | 19:05 |
| devananda | Shrews: i was just about to ask that :) | 19:05 |
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| devananda | I will be at the tripleo midcycle | 19:06 |
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| * Shrews will attend tripleo instead | 19:06 | |
| ifarkas | dtantsur, I am: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/ParisJuno2014 | 19:06 |
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| * NobodyCam should be at Ironic's meetup | 19:06 | |
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| * matty_dubs is attending only the Ironic+Nova one | 19:07 | |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, yeah me too | 19:07 |
| romcheg | dtantsur: viktors will be there so you can discuss oslo.db :) | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | we may have just lost devananda | 19:07 |
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| * Shrews mourns the loss | 19:08 | |
| mrda | :) | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | lol yep lost his connection | 19:08 |
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| rloo_ | all in favour of NobodyCam taking over... | 19:08 |
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| lucasagomes | :) | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:09 |
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| * matty_dubs for one, welcomes our new Ironic overlords | 19:09 | |
| mrda | oh, its only his *connection* :) | 19:09 |
| romcheg | king is dead long live the king | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Release cycle progress report | 19:10 |
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| NobodyCam | we'll skip over ironic-specs and blueprint status (devananda) | 19:10 |
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| lucasagomes | ok deva is off, so I think I can talk about the refactor | 19:10 |
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| NobodyCam | so lucasagomes your up | 19:10 |
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| lucasagomes | the base patches and the dependencies in devstack and tempest are merged | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | there's 2 patches left for the instance_info work | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | nice | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | the migration script and another one changing the patcher.py on the driver to make it not delete the pxe_deploy_{kernel,ramdisk} when tearing down the node | 19:11 |
| * lucasagomes will grab the links | 19:11 | |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/96136 | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/101864 | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | and that's it :) | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | awesome | 19:12 |
| ifarkas | one question if anyone knows: what's the status of the ceilometer integration? | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | we'll come back to get deva's report | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | ifarkas: I'd have to follow up and looking to it | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | shall we move on to the Sub-team reports | 19:14 |
| jroll | +1 | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Sub-team status reports | 19:14 |
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| NobodyCam | going to go a little out of order | 19:15 |
| ifarkas | NobodyCam, ok, I just found a WIP patch but wanted to check the progress | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | Jroll I know you have leave early | 19:15 |
| jroll | oh yeah! | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | wanta give ipa's report | 19:15 |
| jroll | yep | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:15 |
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| jroll | so, first off, we announced onmetal last week, which is based on ironic. thank you all for your help! | 19:16 |
| mrda | jroll: \o/ | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | woot | 19:16 |
| jroll | second, I wrote a blog post about how we run ironic with IPA for onmetal, for anyone interested: http://developer.rackspace.com/blog/from-bare-metal-to-rackspace-cloud.html | 19:16 |
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| jroll | configs and all are included there | 19:16 |
| jroll | third, we've been working on powering through our todo list. as usual, that's located here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos | 19:17 |
| jroll | we're refactoring the agent patches to be easier to merge | 19:17 |
| jroll | this is the main agent patch now (still needs tests) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101020/ | 19:17 |
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| lucasagomes | cool! | 19:17 |
| jroll | and features that the PXE driver doesn't have will be applied on top of that | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | awesome stuff jroll | 19:17 |
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| NobodyCam | wb devananda_ | 19:18 |
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| jroll | feel free to review that agent patch, I should have the tests up later today, hopefully | 19:18 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, is it just a new review request? | 19:18 |
| devananda | ugh. lost connection to irc proxy. reconnected directly... so no history here | 19:18 |
| dtantsur | I mean, it's not the same as I saw :) | 19:18 |
| jroll | one last thing, JoshNang worked friday on an infra job to post an agent image tarball every time a patch is merged. unclear if that's working yet, but if not it will be soon | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: it will be in the logs :) | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:19 |
| jroll | dtantsur: yes, we'll be abandoning the 100-patchset review soon :) | 19:19 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, nooooo... I wanted to see 100th patchset so badly :( | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | we doing IPA subteam report as jroll needs to jump out a bit early | 19:19 |
| jroll | and, I believe that's all I have right now for IPA | 19:19 |
| jroll | dtantsur: lol, I can submit patches anyway :P | 19:19 |
| dtantsur | jroll, any updates on testing IPA? | 19:19 |
| jroll | dtantsur: that infra job I mentioned is the first step, the smaller agent patch is the second | 19:20 |
| jroll | dtantsur: planning on building tempest jobs to test against 101020 | 19:20 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: ack, thanks | 19:20 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: have we covered other subteams yet? | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: thou we do need to loop back and get a ironic-specs and blueprint status update too | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | not yet | 19:22 |
| devananda | ok, let's move on then | 19:22 |
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| devananda | shrews, adam_g: any updates on our tempest test status? | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | Integration Testing | 19:22 |
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| devananda | i think there was a bunch of discussion about taht last week | 19:22 |
| adam_g | our check and gate jobs look to be stabalized. | 19:23 |
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| adam_g | im currently working on weeding thru tempest test failures that are the result of unsupported hypervisor features, and adding new flags to tempest to avoid them in our job | 19:23 |
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| adam_g | with the goal of removing the redundent devstack jobs, and consolidating them into just a few | 19:23 |
| devananda | looks like our tempest job is not voting in our gate still. pending https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100623/ | 19:23 |
| adam_g | and getting rid of the big ugly regex we use in devstack-gate | 19:23 |
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| devananda | adam_g: awesome | 19:24 |
| adam_g | Shrews, any updates on how the rebuild testing is coming along? | 19:24 |
| Shrews | nothing from my end except added a new compute flag for the rebuild feature. and we should probably think about adding separate icehouse tests at some point | 19:24 |
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| Shrews | but rebuild test is ready to merge, IMO | 19:25 |
| adam_g | cool | 19:25 |
| adam_g | thats about it from the tempest front | 19:26 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: any news on the tripleo CI front? | 19:26 |
| devananda | any progress with the tripleo-undercloud test? | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | I poked infra this morning on the package | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | gah.. patch | 19:27 |
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| devananda | ok | 19:27 |
| devananda | dtantsur: hi! any updates on bugs and fedora coverage? | 19:27 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, Fedora: devstack work out-of-box once my patch got merged, nothing new here | 19:28 |
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| devananda | \o/ | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: nice | 19:28 |
| jroll | \o/ | 19:28 |
| dtantsur | to the bugs | 19:28 |
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| dtantsur | people like numbers, so here are numbers: 2 New bugs (0); 123 Open bugs (+5); 36 In-progress bugs (-5); 1 Critical bug (0); 20 High importance bugs (+1); 6 Incomplete bug | 19:29 |
| devananda | #info devstack support for Ironic is working on fedora now | 19:29 |
| dtantsur | as to me, we're pretty where we used to be last week | 19:29 |
| devananda | so, could be worse (and could be better) | 19:30 |
| dtantsur | I managed to do some unassigning and reassigning though | 19:30 |
| dtantsur | and I have one thing to try clarify | 19:30 |
| dtantsur | we lack clarify in how we use assignee field vs "In Progress" | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: the one critical bug still open? | 19:31 |
| dtantsur | to me "In Progress" == assigned and that's why: | 19:31 |
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| dtantsur | NobodyCam, it cound Fix Commited too | 19:31 |
| dtantsur | that's default Launchpad stats, thank you for letting me now | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | ahh just not released yet ... | 19:31 |
| dtantsur | next time I'll probably count manually or write a script | 19:32 |
| devananda | dtantsur: I believe you can filter out bugs by status with URI parameters | 19:32 |
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| dtantsur | 1. In Progress should be assigned, because there should be one responsible for this "progress" | 19:32 |
| devananda | would be good to show stats for bugs not counting fix-committed, otherwise the stats will only decrease when we release milestones | 19:32 |
| dtantsur | 2. assigned should be "In Progress" just because it's otherwise hard to track assigned bugs | 19:32 |
| devananda | so, IMO, and based on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugTriage#In_progress_bugs_without_an_assignee | 19:33 |
| dtantsur | i.e. launchpad cannot "filter all assigned bugs" | 19:33 |
| devananda | bugs which are "in progress" _must_ have an assignee | 19:33 |
| dtantsur | agreed | 19:33 |
| dtantsur | what about the opposite direction? | 19:33 |
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| devananda | while a bug may have an assignee without being in progress yet, eg. the person has just started working and has not proposed a fix yet | 19:34 |
| dtantsur | devananda, so for you "In Progress" means "Has patch"? | 19:34 |
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| lucasagomes | that's how I understand it | 19:34 |
| lucasagomes | in progress == a patch has been proposed for that bug | 19:34 |
| devananda | dtantsur: that's the emergent behavior which I have observed | 19:34 |
| devananda | that doesn't make it good, necessarily | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | I'm also fine if we add a policy to, if u assign urself to a bug just mark it as "in progress" straight away | 19:35 |
| dtantsur | devananda, the only downside is that you can't easily get all assigned bugs via launchpad ui | 19:35 |
| devananda | dtantsur: if we required that all assigned bugs be marked "in progress" as soon as they're assigned, we wouldn't gain anything | 19:35 |
| Shrews | also very hard to enforce | 19:36 |
| devananda | *we wouldn't gain anything that I'm aware of | 19:36 |
| devananda | dtantsur: if you look at a milestone, you can see which bugs are assigned, eg https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/juno-2 | 19:36 |
| dtantsur | devananda, I'm ok with this approach, than next question: should we force people to not set "In Progress" while they don't have a patch? | 19:36 |
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| dtantsur | because some people set "In Progress" right away | 19:37 |
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| devananda | right | 19:37 |
| matty_dubs | That's not terribly intuitive -- to me, as soon as I start working on a patch, it's 'in progress' | 19:37 |
| matty_dubs | I'm not arguing that it _should_ be that way, but that it's what the term intuitively seems to mean | 19:37 |
| jroll | isn't there a 'fix proposed' status? | 19:38 |
| mrda | so I see the difference between assigned and in progress being whether someone is actually working on it. People assign themselves to "reserve" a bug, but haven't necessarily started working on it. | 19:38 |
| romcheg | I think it should not be set to In Progress before no one can see the progress | 19:38 |
| mrda | it's not good doing that, btw | 19:38 |
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| dtantsur | mrda, I don't particularly like reserving bugs, yeah | 19:38 |
| devananda | mrda: exactly | 19:38 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: so what is it that we need to solve -- launchpad is a tool we're using to organize work among a very distributed bunch of people | 19:38 |
| mrda | but worth noting that once aa patch is pushed, gerrit moves bugs to in progress if they're not already | 19:39 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: I dont want us to create more work for people (or for you) just to police bug status :) | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | how about adding a commit like "I have an idea for a fix.. but can not start until x/y/z | 19:39 |
| dtantsur | devananda, my only concern is people reserving bug and forgetting about it | 19:39 |
| matty_dubs | NobodyCam: Do you mean a comment? | 19:39 |
| devananda | dtantsur: taht said, we may be able to create tools (ttx has some we can use as templates to get started) to enforce some of these things for us -- if that's going to be beneficial to our development process | 19:39 |
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| NobodyCam | why yes I do | 19:39 |
| mrda | NobodyCam: at least then it opens the door for someone to "steal" if if they have free cycles beforehand... | 19:40 |
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| jroll | I don't see the problem with jumping in IRC and asking "hey mrda, this is assigned to you, are you working on it or may I?" | 19:40 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, +1 | 19:40 |
| devananda | dtantsur: so for "reserved and forgotten" I think simply enforcing that an assigned bug with no patch revision in the last N days should get human attention and _possibly_ be unassigned | 19:40 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: is totally reasonable | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | ya, and they would also know someone already has an idea for a fix , and can ping them | 19:40 |
| jroll | let people mark bugs as in progress | 19:40 |
| dtantsur | devananda, N = 7 IIRC? | 19:40 |
| jroll | but hold them responsible for that bug | 19:40 |
| devananda | dtantsur: and I bet we can create a script that polls launchpad and prints a list of those bugs | 19:40 |
| mrda | jroll: except tz. We are a global project (it's 5:10am right now here :) | 19:40 |
| jroll | mrda: so give them a day to respond | 19:41 |
| devananda | dtantsur: that's what we agreed on last time, ya. was just speaking in teh generic sense :) | 19:41 |
| dtantsur | devananda, I'm thinking of this script already, yeah | 19:41 |
| jroll | mrda: send an email if necessary | 19:41 |
| * dtantsur likes dashboards :) | 19:41 | |
| jroll | mrda: there's enough to do where nobody will be blocked because they can't work on bug xyz | 19:41 |
| matty_dubs | Is this all documented somewhere? It seems like it should be. | 19:41 |
| devananda | so, i think we should leave the states as they are now -- folks are mostly doing the right thing, I think. | 19:41 |
| dtantsur | matty_dubs, mostly in hours heads :) I wanted to writing something after this discussion | 19:41 |
| dtantsur | * hours = ours | 19:42 |
| devananda | and create a script which we can use to help catch forgotten assigned bugs | 19:42 |
| devananda | anyone disagree with ^ ? | 19:42 |
| matty_dubs | dtantsur: Yeah, I think that'll be good, to make sure everyone's on the same page | 19:42 |
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| matty_dubs | devananda: +1 | 19:42 |
| jroll | devananda: I'm fine with that, but s/script/launchpad URL/ | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | +1 | 19:42 |
| dtantsur | not everything is possible with launchpad URL's I'm afraid... | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | I'm good with status quo | 19:43 |
| devananda | jroll: i'm not sure it's as simple as a launchpad URL but perhaps someone can host the outptu of said script and refresh taht every N hours or something | 19:43 |
| jroll | devananda: sure, I hope it's possible but if not, sure, a script | 19:43 |
| dtantsur | ack, thanks to everyone :) | 19:43 |
| dtantsur | I guess that's all for me | 19:44 |
| mrda | thanks dtantsur | 19:44 |
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| devananda | #agreed continue using assignee + "in progress" in the current (flexible) way, document our expectation that an assigned bug must be actively worked on, and create a script (or URL with result of script) displaying forgotten bugs for all to see | 19:44 |
| devananda | dtantsur: cheers | 19:44 |
| devananda | GheRivero: hi! any updates on the oslo front? | 19:44 |
| GheRivero | the oslo.db patch is ready. Still with problems when testing in parallel the db migrations tests | 19:45 |
| GheRivero | but that an issue we already have | 19:45 |
| devananda | GheRivero: sort of.... | 19:45 |
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| lucasagomes | GheRivero, do you think we should wait that to be fixed before merging it? | 19:46 |
| devananda | GheRivero: ironic is not actually running migration tests in our gate jobs AFAIK | 19:46 |
| GheRivero | lucasagomes: yes. I will wait fot the fixes to get it merged | 19:46 |
| GheRivero | and activate the migrations tests in the gate jobs | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | ack | 19:46 |
| devananda | GheRivero: great, thanks | 19:46 |
| devananda | romcheg: hi! any updates on the nova-> ironic db migration? | 19:47 |
| romcheg | Hi all! | 19:47 |
| romcheg | Yes, there are some updates | 19:47 |
| romcheg | So I moved the code to Nova | 19:47 |
| devananda | #info oslo.db patch is ready, but still has a few problems with db migration tests. We should merge it once those are fixed, and enable db migration tests in Ironic's gate at that time. | 19:47 |
| romcheg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101920/ | 19:47 |
| * jroll has to run, enjoy the rest of the meeting :) | 19:48 | |
| devananda | jroll: thanks, ciao! | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, see ya | 19:48 |
| romcheg | I'm testing now a new patch set that does not copy Ironic models | 19:48 |
| devananda | romcheg: do we have any volunteers yet for the grenade testing of this upgrade? | 19:49 |
| romcheg | I remember direct imports caused conflicts in the past. It seems now the problem is fixed | 19:49 |
| romcheg | devananda: No one volunteered | 19:49 |
| devananda | anyone want to volunteer now? heh heh | 19:49 |
| romcheg | I can take a look at that too, if no one wants | 19:50 |
| romcheg | But more time is required | 19:50 |
| romcheg | So I have also made a tool that updates nova flavors | 19:50 |
| romcheg | The only question is the input format | 19:50 |
| devananda | romcheg: ack. please continue focusing on the nova migration itself | 19:50 |
| rloo_ | does the migration tool belong in nova/baremetal, or ironic? (just wondering) | 19:50 |
| romcheg | rloo_ nova | 19:50 |
| rloo_ | romcheg: but it is going to modify ironic db? | 19:51 |
| romcheg | It is | 19:51 |
| rloo_ | romcheg: so why nova? | 19:51 |
| devananda | rloo_: that question was raised on the nova spec, but nova team hasn't answered yet | 19:51 |
| rloo_ | romcheg: also wondering if it is in nova, and we modify ironic db still before juno, how hard/easy will it be to update it in nova? | 19:51 |
| romcheg | There was a discussion in specs, there's still no answer but it's more likely it will be nova | 19:52 |
| rloo_ | romcheg, devananda: ok. | 19:52 |
| devananda | rloo_: it's nova's responsibility to accept a migration tool away from the driver they will be deprecating | 19:52 |
| romcheg | So regarding to the input format | 19:52 |
| devananda | rloo_: but that's a good point -- we may need to make changes to that migration tool before the end of juno | 19:52 |
| romcheg | Every flavour might have it's own deploy kernel and ramdisk | 19:53 |
| rloo_ | romcheg: just wondering. does the tool assume the ironic db is 'housed' by the same db server as the nova db? | 19:53 |
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| devananda | #info seeking volunteers for creating grenade testing for upgrades from nova-baremetal to ironic. reference: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95025/ | 19:53 |
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| romcheg | I think it's better to make csv file like flavor, new_kernel_uuid, new_ramdisk_uuid and give that to the migration tool | 19:54 |
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| NobodyCam | * five minute beep | 19:55 |
| romcheg | What do you think? | 19:55 |
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| devananda | romcheg: AFAIK, it needs to be able to run against a deployment of openstack | 19:55 |
| devananda | romcheg: so if one tool connects to nova and saves a .csv with that info, and a second tool parses that .csv -- that's probably fine, and may be more easily tested | 19:56 |
| romcheg | devananda: It's the user who builds and uploads the stuff to glance | 19:56 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: dose it need to support live migrations? | 19:56 |
| devananda | ok, gotta move on | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | mv | 19:56 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95025/ | 19:56 |
| romcheg | NobodyCam: Oh, please not now, it's such a pain :) | 19:56 |
| devananda | for anyone curious about the upgrade path, it's all proposed there ^ | 19:56 |
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| devananda | thanks to everyoen for the great subteam reports again this week! | 19:57 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:57 |
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| devananda | 3 minutes left - go :) | 19:57 |
| dtantsur | ifarkas, had question about ceilometer IIRC | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | idk if there's enough time but | 19:57 |
| matty_dubs | For the meetup -- are people leaving mid-day Weds., or should we plan 3 full days? | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | do we still want consistency on the partition sizes parameters (ephemeral, root, swap)? | 19:57 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: i think you wanted to bring up the GB/MB discussion | 19:57 |
| devananda | :) | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yup | 19:57 |
| ifarkas | devanand, yeah, wanted to check the progress of the celiometer integration | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | if so, how people want to do it? | 19:58 |
| devananda | yea, might be worth taking to the mailing list ... this one has dragged on for too long IMO | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | 1- Everthing to be in MB? | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | 2- Everything GB and float (so 0.5 == 512MB)? | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | 3- Everything GB and rounding it up the swap size (because swap is MB in nova) so if users says 512 MB they will get 1GB in Ironic? | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | if anyone happens to be in infra a poke for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100063 would be awesome | 19:58 |
| devananda | ifarkas: afaik no work has been done this cycle | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, ack | 19:58 |
| devananda | ifarkas: we had a summit session with ceilometer folks | 19:58 |
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| ifarkas | devanand, thanks, I will check it with Haomeng | 19:58 |
| devananda | ifarkas: my take away was that they feel ironic should expose $things ina pluggable way, but ceilometer probably won't consume them initially | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: are there plans for nova to move to GB (EVER) | 19:58 |
| matty_dubs | It didn't go swimmingly. | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, no | 19:59 |
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| devananda | ifarkas: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-ironic-and-ceilometer | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | i may vote to have our interface match theirs (ie MB) | 19:59 |
| devananda | ifarkas: hmm, looks ilke there weren't a lot of notes there :( | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, only for swap? | 19:59 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, as before I vote for (1) | 19:59 |
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| dtantsur | i.e. MiB for everything | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, yeah cheers | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | no | 20:00 |
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| NobodyCam | dtantsur: ++ | 20:00 |
| devananda | time's up - let's continue in channel as needed | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | ok 2 votes for 1) | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, ? | 20:00 |
| rloo_ | lucasagomes: but if we do MB, then we're allowing folks to do root/ephemeral in sizes that aren't GB units. | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | oh time | 20:00 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: oh, do we need a vote real quick? | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, nop | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | let's go to the channel | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all | 20:01 |
| devananda | k k | 20:01 |
| romcheg | Thanks everyone! | 20:01 |
| rloo_ | lucasagomes: and I thought that was one of lifeless' objections. | 20:01 |
| devananda | thanks everyone! | 20:01 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| salv-orlando | y u no start meeting? | 21:02 |
| mestery | arosen carl_baldwin garyk marun nati_ueno: around? | 21:02 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 23 21:02:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
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| nati_ueno | o/ | 21:02 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:02 |
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| mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| mestery | The mid-cycle sprint focused on nova-network parity is coming up in 2 weeks! | 21:03 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-mid-cycle-meeting | 21:03 |
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| mestery | Hope to see all those who signed up there and make some great progress!@ | 21:03 |
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| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:04 |
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| enikanorov | hi | 21:04 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Hi! Any major bugs the team should be aware of this week? | 21:04 |
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| enikanorov | i have a quick update | 21:04 |
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| enikanorov | i've filed a few new bgs on lock wait timeouts/deadlocks | 21:04 |
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| enikanorov | these were seen in the gate from time to time, quite rarely though | 21:05 |
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| mestery | Thanks enikanorov! I see them in the agenda as well. | 21:05 |
| enikanorov | one of the constant producer of the gate failures related to DB is carl_baldwin's patch that separates rpc_workers into separate processes | 21:05 |
| enikanorov | another bug that i've not filed yet is some issue in loadbalancer_db | 21:05 |
| enikanorov | it seems to be hit very often in neutron jobs since 23rd of june | 21:06 |
| carl_baldwin | enikanorov: that patch shouldn’t be run very often. | 21:06 |
| ihrachyshka | enikanorov: vmware one? | 21:06 |
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| enikanorov | ihrachyshka: not sure it's vmware, but 'ive not looked too closely yet | 21:06 |
| salv-orlando | ihrachyshka: the patch causing ut failures has been reverted. | 21:07 |
| ihrachyshka | that one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1332724 | 21:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1332724 in neutron "neutron.tests.unit.vmware.vshield.test_lbaas_plugin.TestLoadbalancerPlugin.test_create_vip_with_invalid_router often fails in gate" [High,Confirmed] | 21:07 |
| enikanorov | no, not this one | 21:07 |
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| enikanorov | http://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJtZXNzYWdlOiBcIidOb25lVHlwZScgb2JqZWN0IGhhcyBubyBhdHRyaWJ1dGUgJ2ZpeGVkX2lwcydcIiIsImZpZWxkcyI6W10sIm9mZnNldCI6MCwidGltZWZyYW1lIjoiODY0MDAiLCJncmFwaG1vZGUiOiJjb3VudCIsInRpbWUiOnsidXNlcl9pbnRlcnZhbCI6MH0sInN0YW1wIjoxNDAzNTU0NzIxNTYxfQ== | 21:07 |
| salv-orlando | ihrachyshka: we’re talking about the load balancing scenario test. | 21:07 |
| enikanorov | here's the query for the new issue | 21:07 |
| enikanorov | no, that's API test actualy | 21:07 |
| salv-orlando | I and enikanorov looked at it today. I have not been able to find the root cause yet (well did not really spent a lot of time investigating)... | 21:08 |
| enikanorov | anyway, that's not filed yet, so feel free to do it | 21:08 |
| enikanorov | salv-orlando: that one i'm talking about is also different, not related to scenario | 21:08 |
| salv-orlando | enikanorov: so that’s yet another issue wrt the one I saw | 21:08 |
| enikanorov | salv-orlando: yes | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | ok.. please file a classifier for it, so that it shows up in elastic-recheck | 21:09 |
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| * mestery loses track of how many separate issues we're discussing here. | 21:09 | |
| salv-orlando | folks: it’s 2 issue | 21:09 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Thanks. :) | 21:09 |
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| mestery | I was also just alerted by infra about an ew version of sqalalchemy (0.9.5) which is causing UT failures for neutron and nova. | 21:10 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: ok | 21:10 |
| mestery | I don't have details yet, literally they just pinged me in-channel now. | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | one in API tests - one in scenario tests. I have not yet filed a e-r query for the latter as I’m hoping to find a trace which is a bit more precise than the console log message | 21:10 |
| mestery | So, there's that too. | 21:10 |
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| enikanorov | mestery: that's interesting | 21:10 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Indeed. :) | 21:10 |
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| enikanorov | that's it on bugs from my side | 21:10 |
| mestery | Thanks enikanorov! | 21:10 |
| mestery | Any other bugs the team should be aware of right now? | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: ah cool | 21:11 |
| ihrachyshka | I think we should be aware of https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1332724 | 21:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1332724 in neutron "neutron.tests.unit.vmware.vshield.test_lbaas_plugin.TestLoadbalancerPlugin.test_create_vip_with_invalid_router often fails in gate" [High,Confirmed] | 21:11 |
| mlavalle | mestery: we said Thursday that we want to review the bugs preventing the full Neutron job to execute | 21:11 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Should we do that during the tempest section or now? | 21:11 |
| ihrachyshka | this is a unit test failing in gate, sporadically | 21:11 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: enikanorov is assigned that issue at the moment it looks like. | 21:11 |
| mlavalle | mestery: let's do it in the tempest section | 21:12 |
| mlavalle | thnanks | 21:12 |
| mestery | mlavalle: OK, thanks. :) | 21:12 |
| ihrachyshka | I think unit tests were quite stable recently, but now they fail too, not nice | 21:12 |
| enikanorov | ihrachyshka: i have some observations about this bug, but were not able to find the root cause | 21:12 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery: I'm not sure whether anyone is *actively* working on it (if not, I may be of help tomorrow) | 21:12 |
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| ihrachyshka | enikanorov: ok, let's sync on this tomorrow | 21:12 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Please sync with enikanorov on that one tomorrow if you could. | 21:12 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Ha! :) | 21:13 |
| enikanorov | ihrachyshka: sure | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | ihrachishka, mestery: we have reverted the patch causing that bug | 21:13 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on. | 21:13 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Link by chance? | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101789/ | 21:13 |
| ihrachyshka | thanks | 21:14 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: thanks! | 21:14 |
| mestery | OK, now moving on. | 21:14 |
| mestery | #topic Nova Parity | 21:14 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Hi! | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | I've updated with links to the specs | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando and I are leading the charge on reviewing the db healing ones | 21:15 |
| mestery | OK, cool! | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | healing is a must for us to work on adding grenade testing back | 21:15 |
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| mestery | Thanks markmcclain. I also encourage folks to review obondarev's nova spec for hte migration API. | 21:16 |
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| salv-orlando | sure will do. | 21:16 |
| armax | mestery: it’s on my todo list | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | mestery: ++ | 21:16 |
| mestery | armax salv-orlando markmcclain: Great! | 21:17 |
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| enikanorov | :) | 21:17 |
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| mestery | #topic Tempest | 21:17 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Hi there! | 21:18 |
| mlavalle | hi | 21:18 |
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| mlavalle | I want to see if we want to review the bugs in the full neutron job | 21:18 |
| mlavalle | from those who have been working on that | 21:18 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Yes, but lets give some background: QA is no longer reviewing neutron tests until we get the full job running. | 21:19 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Thus the urgency on that front I think. | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | so why don’t I get some attention here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88289/ | 21:19 |
| * mestery looks | 21:19 | |
| mlavalle | mestery: yeah, that's the urgency | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | the job has been deemed as rather stable - sdague’s words ;) | 21:19 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: I believe the failure rate was deemed too high during last weeks QA meeting, right mlavalle? | 21:19 |
| salv-orlando | and I think that we better enable it and deal with the inevitable raise in failure rate | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | than wait forever | 21:20 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: +1 to that though | 21:20 |
| sdague | also, the trusty switch over this week should help, right? | 21:20 |
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| mestery | sdague: +1 | 21:20 |
| sdague | iirc new openvswitch was more resilient | 21:20 |
| mestery | sdague: It's light years ahead to be honest | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: that high failure rate might have been “tainted” by the failures we have been plagued with for that timing issue which caused images to not boot right. | 21:20 |
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| mestery | I think we should push to get this merged then. | 21:21 |
| mestery | sdague: ^^^ | 21:21 |
| mestery | sdague: What else do you need from us here? We're ready to triage and fix issues once it merges. | 21:21 |
| salv-orlando | mestery, sdague: if we get to the end of juno-2 without doing that, we’ll just end up not doing it | 21:21 |
| salv-orlando | as people will be afraid of enabling a potentially gate breaking job in juno-3 | 21:21 |
| mestery | I'm with you salv-orlando on this front. | 21:21 |
| sdague | mestery: I think that's about it. Why don't we wait for trusty flip, which should be in the next couple of days | 21:21 |
| sdague | then do it | 21:21 |
| mestery | sdague: Agreed. I'll touch base with you later this week. | 21:22 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Sound good? | 21:22 |
| salv-orlando | sdague, cool il ping you back on thurs morning | 21:22 |
| sdague | salv-orlando: sounds great | 21:22 |
| mlavalle | sdague: and I will raaisee the point also during the tempest meeting on Thursday | 21:22 |
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| mestery | Excellent! | 21:22 |
| * mestery loves it when a plan comes together. | 21:22 | |
| mestery | mlavalle: Anything else on the agenda for Tempest today? | 21:23 |
| mlavalle | mestery: just to report to the team we made good progress with api tests for new LBaaS last week | 21:23 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Awesome! | 21:23 |
| mlavalle | I should push somehting for review later this week | 21:23 |
| mlavalle | as wip | 21:23 |
| mlavalle | other than that, I will be following up with the full neutron job | 21:24 |
| mlavalle | and that's it from me this week | 21:24 |
| afazekas | Is anyone has any idea why the full neutron job fails more than the smoke ? | 21:24 |
| salv-orlando | afazekas: There are a few independent issues. some are because a few tests are not well designed, some because there are a few bugs in neutron which need to be polished. | 21:25 |
| salv-orlando | nothing serious imho though. But bear in mind that the last time I did this analysis it was about 6 weeks ago. | 21:26 |
| afazekas | bug numbers ? | 21:26 |
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| salv-orlando | afazekas: gimme a few minutes, in the meanwhile you guys can go on with the meeting | 21:27 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: Thanks! | 21:27 |
| mestery | #topic L3 | 21:27 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: Hi and welcome back! | 21:27 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: hi | 21:27 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks. | 21:27 |
| carl_baldwin | The DVR patches have seen a lot of updates. | 21:27 |
| carl_baldwin | One of them is nearly ready and we’ve discussed plans to get the others in to shape splitting efforts between me and Armando as the core reviewers. | 21:28 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Perfect, thanks! | 21:28 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m also working on having all the patches available together for testing by others in devstack. | 21:29 |
| salv-orlando | afazekas: here’s the list (needs update though - some bugs might have been already fixed): http://pastebin.com/DFySpmu1 | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | carl_baldwin: awesome | 21:29 |
| carl_baldwin | I think we could also pull together a demo soon. | 21:29 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: That would be most excellent! Are the patches already linked in gerrit? | 21:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes, they are all on the same topic. | 21:29 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: I’ll send a note when the demo is ready | 21:29 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Cool! | 21:29 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/neutron-ovs-dvr,n,z | 21:29 |
| armax | mestery: I am going to work on one of the patches so that it can be more digestibile | 21:30 |
| mestery | armax: Awesome! | 21:30 |
| sc68cal | Yeah that was one of my concerns, that one patch is like 2K lines | 21:30 |
| armax | mestery: so expect a lot more traffic this week :) | 21:30 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: I’ll be working on another in a similar fashion. | 21:30 |
| armax | sc68cal: indeed | 21:30 |
| sc68cal | but I hate to be that guy that -1s and grumbles about big patches | 21:30 |
| armax | sc68cal: I have a strategy | 21:30 |
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| armax | stay tuned | 21:30 |
| carl_baldwin | Large patches are a valid concern. | 21:30 |
| mestery | Sounds like this is moving forward nicely carl_baldwin! | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: still not the biggest patch we have in the queue | 21:31 |
| carl_baldwin | Other subteam projects are making progress and status is on the wiki. | 21:31 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Thanks for the updates here. Anything else to add? | 21:31 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: that is all I have. See you all at the meeting on Thursday. | 21:31 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: Thanks! | 21:31 |
| mestery | #topic Advanced Services | 21:32 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Hi! | 21:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: hi | 21:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so, as last week we have a few specs waiting for review/approval | 21:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the most notable among them is the flavors spce put by enikanorov | 21:32 |
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| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: I'm going to post an alt proposal for flavors | 21:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that it hit a bit of a road block last week, just as we were beginning to thin that we are getting consensus | 21:33 |
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| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: much simpler version that is implementable during J and still cross service | 21:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: any reason why the suggestions cannot be factored into the current proposal? | 21:33 |
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| afazekas | salv-orlando: which causes the most failure on the full jobs ? | 21:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: my concern is that we repeatedly reset the discussion | 21:34 |
| mestery | afazekas salv-orlando: Can you guys pop over to #openstack-neutron since we're in the meeting here at the moment? Thanks! | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: I don't think the current prop is the proper direction upon further thinking | 21:34 |
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| salv-orlando | afazekas - they’re pasted in order of failure rate. But I don’t want to give you obsolete numbers. Let me run again checks on logstash tonight and I’ll update you tomorrow morning in openstack-qa | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: additionally current prop does not solve original problem of operator control | 21:35 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: i think it does | 21:35 |
| afazekas | salv-orlando: ok | 21:35 |
| enikanorov | let's get togather and analyse how we can converge | 21:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain enikanorov mestery: can i propose that we use this week’s adv services meeting to arrive at a consensus on what we plan to implement in Juno? | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: sure we can chat offline | 21:36 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: right | 21:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if we push this any further, i dont think it will make it into Juno | 21:36 |
| mestery | markmcclain enikanorov: IF there is a way to retrofit this into the existing BP, it may be easiest. | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: -1 have conflict with that timeslot this week | 21:36 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: when we can get your proposal? | 21:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: what are your alternate suggestions? | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | hopefully this evening | 21:38 |
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| enikanorov | sounds good | 21:38 |
| mestery | OK, lets try to resolve this sometime this week so we can move forward, flavors are important to a lot of sub-teams I believe. | 21:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: yes | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | mestery: very true | 21:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: other than that we have the services’ insertion and traffic steering specs which have received some decent attention | 21:39 |
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| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: concerned about those as we have _lots_ of other work to land | 21:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: so we would like to close on them, hopefully this week, so that these can be pursued in implementation for J2 | 21:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: i believe these have been scheduled for J2 | 21:40 |
| mestery | markmcclain SumitNaiksatam: We should understand if there are issues here as well and sort that out this week with the flavors stuff if possible. | 21:40 |
| * mestery notes there is a seemingly endless supply of stuff to land this cycle. :) | 21:41 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: sure, these have been in discussion for a long time | 21:41 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Yes, agreed. | 21:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: so hopefully whoever feels strongly about these, can make it to the IRC meeting, and we can make progress | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: understand the length of time they've been discussed.. I just question if the team have bandwidth to land with quality | 21:41 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: meh we have enough history to know our limits on what we can land in a milestone. We should use them to decide what we can reasonably target. | 21:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: there are several people reviewing this | 21:42 |
| salv-orlando | Otherwise we’ll end up generating frustation and disappointment | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: I agree… the potential load is still really high | 21:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thats pretty much it from me on this, thanks for the time | 21:43 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronJunoProjectPlan | 21:43 |
| mestery | There is a lot on there, agreed, we're already behind according to that plan. | 21:43 |
| mestery | But, lets move on. Thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 21:43 |
| mestery | #topic IPv6 | 21:43 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: Hi there! | 21:43 |
| sc68cal | Hello | 21:43 |
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| sc68cal | So the two big items in my opinion are the spec for radvd and this small patch to complete ipv6 provider net slaac | 21:44 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Is there a spec for radvd yet? | 21:44 |
| sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/64578 provider net slaac bug | 21:44 |
| sc68cal | mestery: yep - linking now | 21:44 |
| mestery | sc68cal: cool | 21:44 |
| sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/101306 | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: awesome will add to review queue | 21:45 |
| sc68cal | I believe xuhanp and shshang will be pivoting to do dhcpv6 stateful support in dnsmasq | 21:45 |
| sc68cal | will provide a link to the spec when it is published | 21:45 |
| sc68cal | If we can get some core reviewers on the provider net slaac patch we can close that bp from the j2 milestone | 21:46 |
| mestery | sc68cal: I'll review that one. | 21:46 |
| sc68cal | put one in the proverbial win column :) | 21:47 |
| sc68cal | that's it for me today | 21:47 |
| mestery | Thanks sc68cal! | 21:47 |
| mestery | #topic ML2 | 21:47 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: Hi! | 21:47 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: Hi | 21:47 |
| mestery | Anything on ML2 this week? | 21:47 |
| Sukhdev | Couple of items - | 21:47 |
| Sukhdev | the team has been reviewing specs - please see here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews#Under_Review | 21:47 |
| Sukhdev | Few of the patches are ready for blessing by Cores - so, will be pinging you guys | 21:48 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: OK, sounds good. | 21:48 |
| Sukhdev | Additionally, work has been kicked off on the Modular L2 agent | 21:48 |
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| Sukhdev | discussion is on the ML - if one wants to participate | 21:49 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: that is it for now - unless some questions | 21:49 |
| mestery | Thanks Sukhdev. | 21:49 |
| mestery | #topic Group Based Policy | 21:49 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Hi again! | 21:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: hi, and thanks again | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura was able to land the mapping patches this past week | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he will be landing some more driver patches later this week | 21:50 |
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| mestery | Yes, and I see some good iterations on the first couple of patches as well, addressing the UT concerns marun had pointed out. | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we already have had a good review churn on the initial model patches | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: those have all been addressed | 21:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thanks to the reviewers, and hopefully this is ripe now for more reviewer interest | 21:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the series starts here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95900 | 21:51 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95900 | 21:52 |
| nati_ueno | I'll join reviewing | 21:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: thanks | 21:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thats it from us on GP | 21:53 |
| mestery | OK, thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 21:53 |
| mestery | I encourage people to review the fresh GBP patches as well. | 21:53 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:53 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: We have a request for a python-neutronclient release here: | 21:53 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/038389.html | 21:53 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Can we make htis happen anytime soon? Thoughts? | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | yes | 21:54 |
| mestery | markmcclain: cool! | 21:54 |
| mestery | I'll reply on that thread on the ML then. | 21:54 |
| oda-g | I'd like cores to take a look at the blueprint https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89969/ (Enable to set DHCP port attributes) I want core's suggestion to move forward. | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | I'll work offline to show you how | 21:54 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Perfect, thanks! | 21:54 |
| mestery | oda-g: I'll have a look at that BP. | 21:55 |
| oda-g | mestery: thanks | 21:55 |
| carl_baldwin | oda-g: I also have some comments to make on that BP. | 21:55 |
| mestery | OK, if that's it, we'll see you all on the ML and IRC! | 21:56 |
| mestery | And of course, back here next week. | 21:56 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 23 21:56:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-06-23-21.02.html | 21:56 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuu | 21:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-06-23-21.02.txt | 21:56 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 21:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-06-23-21.02.log.html | 21:56 |
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| ihrachyshka | ouch, missed the last section. whatever. markmcclain: mestery: can I ask you to check a blueprint (in LP only atm): https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/schedule-actions-for-db-transaction-closed ? | 21:57 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: Absolutely! Will take a peek. | 21:57 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Sorry, I thought I saw you leave, I know it's late for you. :) | 21:58 |
| ihrachyshka | there's not much text, just a brief description of an idea, I'd like to get some initial check on sanity before proceeding with a spec | 21:58 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: cool, will do! | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | ihrachyshka: I've added my queue | 21:59 |
| ihrachyshka | thanks guys | 21:59 |
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| banix | Please have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93866/ if you get a chance. Thanks. | 22:00 |
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