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HenryGakamyshnikova, jlibosva: hi13:00
jlibosvaHenryG: hi13:00
jlibosvato everyone :)13:00
HenryGThat's all we need today :)13:00
HenryG#startmeeting neutron_db13:00
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HenryGsalv-orlando will be joining late today. We may finish before he shows up!13:01
HenryGI don't have much to talk about today, except get a status on the code.13:01
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HenryGAfter that we can have open discussion for any other items.13:01
HenryG#topic Code status13:01
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HenryGI have some review links in the agenda.13:02
HenryGAgenda #link
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HenryGSo it seems the FK dependency error is solved?13:02
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akamyshnikovayes :)13:03
HenryGVery nice. Thanks!13:03
HenryGThe global requirements is approved and merging now!13:03
HenryGI am a little unclear on the model freeze ...13:04
akamyshnikovaI check the script and in fact it is ready for reviewers.13:04
akamyshnikovajlibosva did the great job with models I want to thank him for that!13:05
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HenryGYes, the freeze looks good, except ...13:05
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HenryGI would prefer not to call the freeze module ''13:06
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jlibosvaHenryG: I think icehouse should go away13:06
jlibosvaI mean the module :)13:06
akamyshnikovaThere is a that I used in script and head that I usedin testing13:07
HenryGjlibosva: ah, that makes more sense now, thanks13:07
akamyshnikovaused in testing13:07
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jlibosvaI also got echo from marun that markmcclain had some suggestions. I wrote him an email this morning. I don't know anything specific.13:08
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markmcclainjlibosva: right… I kicked around some ideas with marun13:09
HenryGjlibosva: I can corner markmcclain later this week at the mid-cycle sprint. I will interrogate him. :)13:09
jlibosvamarkmcclain: you can present ideas  here if you have a spare minute :)13:09
markmcclainHenryG: haha13:10
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markmcclainjlibosva: we had kicked around the idea of how to avoid the need to duplicate so much code13:11
markmcclainalso the healing should be able to be run by operators multiple times right?13:12
HenryGmarkmcclain: you mean the healing should not be constrained to a specific point in the migration timeline?13:14
markmcclainfor Juno was wonder if we should always heal last13:15
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markmcclainI was planning to ping mike bayer and get his thoughts on this too13:15
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salv-orlandoI think we always said healing should be idempotent so that it could in theory be executed multiple times in the migration timeline. But I might be wrong, I tend of dream about things and then think they’re real.13:18
* HenryG looks at the spec ...13:19
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jlibosvaI think you always need metadata object that db will be migrated to13:19
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akamyshnikovaFor this moment it is running through db_healing migration once.13:20
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salv-orlandook so I was dreaming.13:21
salv-orlandoor to be more precise,I was thinking we were doing something different13:21
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salv-orlandoso healing will happen at a given point in the migration timeline, and that’s the only point where migrations will be healed.13:21
salv-orlandois that right?13:21
salv-orlandosorry “migrations will be healed” should have been “schema will be healed”13:22
HenryGCurrently that is the way the code is done, I think13:22
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salv-orlandohow many of you will be at the sprint this week?13:24
salv-orlandoI won’t13:24
HenryGIf it heals to the current models, whatever 'current' is, then it will break any migrations that happen between the previous schema and the current models.13:24
HenryGAt the sprint: HenryG markmcclain marun13:24
akamyshnikovaAt this moment it is done in this way. What do mean about multiple times? like running db-manager --heal or what?13:24
akamyshnikovaHenryG, is right we need some frosen models to compare13:25
salv-orlandowhat markmcclain was suggesting is that operators should have been able to run the healing multiple times. The uses cases are mostly corner cases. I think the rationale for having a healing migration which would do the delta with current models was to avoid the duplication which lead to writing a “frozen” snapshot of icehouse models.13:26
markmcclainHenryG: you're correct about identifying ensure we run the correct set of migrations relative to the timeline13:26
salv-orlandoStill, I’m talking without knowning what I’m talking about. If you’ve already investigated this situation and concluded one must have a frozen version of models, than I will keep my mouth shut.13:27
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: from my standpoint the frozen models feel odd13:28
markmcclainthe duplicated code sets off a warning, but I don't have a technical solution that is better :)13:28
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jlibosvasalv-orlando: sorry if I don't understand - but what scheme is the destination? One containing all models in current code?13:29
salv-orlandomarkmcclain: smae here. And just like you I don’t have a better technical solution at hand (so that’s why I’m saying I’m talking without knowing what I’m talking about)13:29
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salv-orlandoI was thinking od comparing the current DB schema against the current DB models at the instant where the healing migration is ran. Can you help me understnad why that’s not possible?13:31
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jlibosvaI think the schema containing all tables at custom migration timeline is unknown.13:32
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jlibosvaat custom point in migration timeline*13:32
akamyshnikovait is possible but it will run create tables or change it. and then will run the migration that will fails trying to do the same13:32
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akamyshnikovaas this tables or changes will be in models13:33
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salv-orlandojlibosva: unknown under the assumption of being able to run the migration offline, or even with online migrations?13:35
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jlibosvasalv-orlando: online13:35
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jlibosvaI think offline is not supported, right?13:35
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HenryGOne advantage of having the healing migration at a specific point in the timeline is that we can test it and ensure it works. If it is made more generic for any point in the timeline, some weird model or type usage might break it since we never tested against that. We would have to have some kind of gating test against all previous models every time a model change is made?13:36
salv-orlandoHenryG: ah you’re playing the testing wildcard!13:37
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salv-orlandoI don’t have any argument on this side, so I guess I have to give up13:38
jlibosvasalv-orlando: markmcclain btw there is an option to migrate to the latest that excludes models copying13:38
HenryGI think we need to hear what ideas markmcclain and marun are thinking of.13:38
markmcclainHenryG: it's mainly me and not marun13:39
HenryGjlibosva: what if someone adds a new module with a model?13:39
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jlibosvaHenryG: he must add the path to this module :]13:40
markmcclainand basically that all kinds of warnings signs seem to be present that this approach may not be right13:40
markmcclainI went on holiday right after talking with him, so don't really have alt tech proposal13:41
HenryGMy thought thus far has been one healing migration at a specific point in the timeline. So I may have been rather myopic about what we needed to do. But I am open to ideas.13:42
salv-orlandolet’s put aside the ability of running the migration multiple times.13:43
salv-orlandothis was a side-effect rather than the main reason for what markmcclain is suggesting13:43
markmcclainagreed starting with once will be a huge step :)13:43
akamyshnikovathere is a change for review You can suggest everything  here in comments13:44
salv-orlandoI think when he say “warning signs” he’s talking about having two module with frozen db models state13:44
salv-orlandoone for the ‘head’ snapshot and one for the icehouse snapshot13:44
salv-orlandobut since I’m only assuming what markmcmclain is suggesting, I will defer to him…13:45
markmcclainsalv-orlando: right13:45
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jlibosvaoh yeah, that's a WIP. I left it there just in case. Once we agree where the healing will be performed, unnecessary models will be removed.13:46
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markmcclainok so left move forward with healing at a single point in the timeline13:47
markmcclainit removes lots of complications13:47
akamyshnikovaI've got one question for open discussion13:47
markmcclainthat leaves the question of the proper way to freeze the models13:47
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HenryGjlibosva: So we will remove and probably then. Leaving just frozen.py13:47 could be used in testing :)13:48
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HenryGakamyshnikova: true. Let's discuss that in the review comments.13:48
HenryGThanks markmcclain and salv-orlando13:49
HenryG#topic Open discussion13:49
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akamyshnikovaI've got one question.13:49
akamyshnikovaJust sync models with migrations shows the difference: one model uses ‘default’ parameter, but in migrations it is used ‘server_default’. But there are a lot of usages of ‘default’ is used in both models and migrations.13:49
akamyshnikovaThe thing is: if we use ‘default’, not ‘server_default’ we don’t have any default value in database. Do we need default value in db or not?13:49
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akamyshnikovamarkmcclain, salv-orlando I want to know your opinion about this13:50
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HenryGBased on problems encountered by colleagues when testing other Neutron features, I would say yes.13:51
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salv-orlandoakamyshnikova: I’m trying to dig deep in my memory13:52
salv-orlandothere was discussion a lot of time ago about default and server_default13:52
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salv-orlandodo I remember correctly that in order to ensure the default is set in the db schema for all backends supported by openstack you _must_ use server_default?13:53
akamyshnikovaif you want to have default value in db you should use server_default13:54
salv-orlandook then it’s a no brainer. Using default is just a bug13:54
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akamyshnikovaSo we need to replace all default with server_default?13:55
HenryGDo we need to fix all the 'default' bugs before healing?13:55
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akamyshnikovaI think that may be we should add correct values in frozen and then after heal migration change all models13:56
akamyshnikovaas if we change now we should write also migrations for this13:57
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akamyshnikovasalv-orlando, what do think about my suggestion? does it sound ok?13:58
HenryGakamyshnikova: hmmm. I think it would actually be better to fix before healing. Yes, a migration is needed, but that should not be a problem.13:58
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akamyshnikovaHenryG, ok, I'll do that :)13:59
salv-orlandoI’m not sure relying on the healing process is what we want to do. It is true that it’s always a problem of models diverging with schema13:59
HenryGsalv-orlando: yes, the healing's primary function should be to add missing tables.14:00
salv-orlandobut here we have a situation were the divergence will become evident if you rely on schema autogeneration, which I wish we’ll remove as soon a as possible too.14:00
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akamyshnikovasalv-orlando, ok, thanks! I will do this. I just want to be sure that is better to do14:01
HenryGsalv-orlando: This week I plan to rebase the removal of auto-gen on the healing change, so it can go in soon after.14:02
HenryGWe are out of time. Any other questions?14:03
akamyshnikovano, I don't have any14:03
HenryGQuick note on trivial change for devstack:
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HenryGNot sure if it is actually needed. Please take a look.14:04
HenryGPlace your comments, if any, in the review.14:04
HenryGThanks everyone!14:04
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rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jul  7 16:00:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at
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dzimineHi there!16:00
rakhmerovok, let's get started16:01
rakhmerovagenda as usually at
rakhmerov#topic Review previous AIs16:02
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rakhmerov1. ACTION: rakhmerov, skype Kirill on Tue and work with him on integrating mistral-demo examples into mistral-extra16:02
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rakhmerovhey Brian, nice to see you here16:02
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rakhmerovxazel, we skyped many times last week but I'm not actually sure if we still need to do something on that AI16:03
xazelwe haven't fully integrated it since we had some problems with oslo.messaging. Guess we should get back to it after i finish with my current assignment.16:04
rakhmerovbhavenst, sorry for misspelling your name, I believe the correct one is Bryan?16:04
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rakhmerovxazel, ok, makes sense16:05
bhavenstYep, Bryan, but no problem at all.16:05
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rakhmerovok )16:05
rakhmerov2. ACTION: rakhmerov, get in touch with Nastya and figure out the problem with Mistral installation16:05
rakhmerovit's done16:05
rakhmerov#topic Current status (quickly by team members)16:05
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xazelSpent this week digging through engine-executor protocol. Half way through: managed to limit the amount of data executor need to know and was able to pass one task end-to-end, but it would require a lot of polishing and review.16:06
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rakhmerovmy status is: A lot of communication with Kirill on Engine/Executor stuff, read tons of materials on workflows and workflow engines, started redesigning Mistral Engine, reviews, fixed several bugs16:07
xazelcame prepared today =)16:07
rakhmerovcool :)16:07
rakhmerovit felt like that16:07
rakhmerovok, guys?16:07
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dziminexazel can you put your work up on review as work in progress for earyl feedback?16:07
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dzimineon my side: only reviews and some little input to Renat on workflow requirements.16:08
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xazeldzimine, sure, I'll need one more day to actually figure out what stuff is absolutely essential. Expect WIP in a next couple of days.16:08
m4dcoderi looked at bug several times. i'm not able to reproduce the bug.16:08
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1331373 in mistral "greenlet transport plug is not always loading" [High,New]16:08
akuznetsovaI created blueprint for mistral-documentation and now I work on I uploaded first patch set16:08
rakhmerovguys, any roadblocks?16:09
rakhmerovdid you get stuck with anything?16:09
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akuznetsovaI have a little problem with devstack gate job16:10
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rakhmerovm4dcoder, ok, I'm kind of worried about this bug but I'd suggest you stop looking at it for now since a lot of things are going to change anyway and it may get fixed on its own16:11
rakhmerovakuznetsova, what kind of problem?16:11
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akuznetsovaI am not sure how to configure it16:12
dziminemember:akuznetsova: can you pls link etherpad with test plan/discussion to
rakhmerovok, do you think it makes sense discuss it separately?16:12
akuznetsovarakhmerov, yes16:12
akuznetsovadzimine, yes, wait a sec16:13
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, communicate to akuznetsova on devstack gate job configuration problem16:13
dzimineI mean link it from the blueprint.16:13
rakhmerovyes, you can do it later16:14
dzimineI just did it.16:14
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rakhmerovbhavenst, do you wanna discuss something now? Maybe you have some general/specific questions looking for their answers or something?16:15
akuznetsovadzimine, thanks16:15
rakhmerovor if it's more comfortable for you we can have a separate meeting16:15
bhavenstI don't really have any specific questions at this point I don't think.  Yeah, we can discuss offline and see what the best place to start is considering the current activities..16:16
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rakhmerovok, sounds good16:16
rakhmerovI'll shoot an email with a few suggested times for the meeting16:16
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rakhmerovbut pls feel free to ask questions (or express your opinion) anytime16:17
rakhmerovok, let's move on16:17
rakhmerov#topic Discuss some of questions on the current engine/executor design16:17
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rakhmerovdzimine, m4dcoder and others, I have a couple of questions on the current engine design16:18
rakhmerovfor example16:18
rakhmerovI'm not really sure why we now configure engine and executor as plugins now?16:18
rakhmerovm4dcoder, what's the value of this design decision?16:19
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rakhmerovis it just for assumed flexibility or there are some strong reasons why we have it16:19
m4dcoderi designed that way to allow flexibility for different engine implementations16:19
rakhmerovI just started digging it deeply and it all looks somewhat confusing to me16:20
rakhmerovit feels like we'll never have alternative implementations :)16:20
rakhmerovat least I don't really see why it may be needed now16:20
rakhmerovpreviously we had local and distributed engine and that made sense but that's in the past16:21
rakhmerovand the only difference is just transport16:21
rakhmerovwhat do you think?16:21
rakhmerovdzimine, do you see why we may want to have multiple engine implementations?16:22
dzimineno, I don’t16:22
rakhmerovit's not a major issue but anyway, I'm trying to refine all the project structure etc. and stumbled on that16:22
dziminecurrently I think if anything, it will be an ‘engine library’ that is changable/pluggable.16:22
xazelrakhmerov, in my current implementation both default.executor and default.engine is just a few lines... I doubt we need this modular structure atm16:22
rakhmerovfew lines?? How come?16:23
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xazelexecuter doesn't do much work now, just creates an action and runs it and default.engine was tiny even before that16:24
rakhmerovdzimine, commenting what you said about engine library.. Yes, I keep that in mind. And there's one more thing: declarative vs imperative workflows but I came to a conclusion it shouldn't be a different engine implementation16:25
rakhmerovit should be flexible on a different level16:25
rakhmerovinside the engine16:25
rakhmerovxazel, ok16:26
dziminedeclarative vs imperative is an attribute of a workflow, so it’s a diff level indieed.16:26
rakhmerovexecutor will do more once we implement some advanced things as parallellism16:26
rakhmerovdzimine, yes, right16:26
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rakhmerovso that actually was my next question I wanted to discuss16:26
rakhmerovso that's ok16:27
rakhmerovone more question/suggestion16:27
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rakhmerovI'd like to suggest I don't write tons of design documents for the work I'm doing now )16:27
rakhmerovnot because I'm lazy (which is partially true :) ), but because most of this work is a research16:28
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rakhmerovand it seems to be much more productive to look at the existing code and code something up write in python16:28
m4dcoderrakhmerov: can you clarify declarative vs. imperative workflow?  i'm not following. must have missed a few design sessions...16:28
rakhmerovso my suggestion is just to start commiting changes with all necessary comments16:29
dziminedeclarative is defining dependencies via ‘require’16:29
dzimineimperative is ‘on-success/on-error'16:29
rakhmerovm4dcoder, "Dependency based model" (using "requires") vs "Direct transitions" (using on-success, on-error)16:29
dziminethere’s more precise terms16:29
rakhmerovjust so you are aware: we made a decision some time ago to explicitly separate these two models and not to mix them within the same workflow16:30
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m4dcoderbut we will support both types?16:31
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rakhmerovbut at the same time we still will be able to build combinations of these two workflow types using workflow cross references (one workflow will be able to call another workflow)16:31
dziminemember:rakhmerov: how do you plan to share your thinking? I am cool with you not writing the extensive docs, btw.16:31
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rakhmerovyes, we will16:31
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akuznetsovarakhmerov, how do you what to separate them? using tag or how?16:31
dzimineit will be one of a workflow attributes.16:32
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rakhmerovdzimine, I'd suggest I just write huge commit message to make my intentions 100% clear16:32
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rakhmerovas well as comments in the code itself16:32
rakhmerovseriously, I just feel that it will slow me down significantly if I get into writing/rewriting all these docs16:33
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rakhmerovit's been proved I think many times that any docs will become stale very quickly16:33
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rakhmerovakuznetsova, yes, just a workflow attribute16:34
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rakhmerovso let's try and see how that goes, ok?16:34
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rakhmerovif we see it's not ok for the team I'll be doing it in a more classic way16:35
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rakhmerovok, let's move forward16:36
xazelrakhmerov, one day we would need to start populating doc folder anyway. I'm not suggesting we start now, but if your commit message happen to be bigger than you anticipating, you should probably place it there16:36
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rakhmerovxazel, you're 100% true, I'm just talking about the period when nearly nothing is really clear and making docs seems to be even more challengable than writing sketches in the code16:37
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m4dcoderrakhmerov: can you elaborate when you mentioned that you concluded we don't need separate engine implementation for declarative vs. imperative?  wouldn't separating the out as different engine plugins be cleaner?  also, where does the taskflow integration fit into the engine changes we are currently making?16:37
rakhmerovit, of course, doesn't cancel the need to write docs eventually16:37
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dziminethe taskflow integration fits at the library level.16:38
xazelm4dcoder, instead of making engine-executor pluggable, we would need to do it with workflow types16:38
rakhmerovm4dcoder, so as far as engine structure and different workflow types...16:38
dziminesorry to jump ahead of rakhmerov :)16:38
rakhmerovI see that the engine should be the same for these types16:38
rakhmerovbecause it'll contain lots of common things16:39
rakhmerovdb access, threading, notifications etc etc16:39
dzimineI see the types of workflow, just like in taskflow there’s a parallel, sequence, and directed graph.16:39
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dzimineand different handlers with different control-flow rules can map to eacy type.16:40
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rakhmerovit's basically a State Design Pattern16:40
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rakhmerovso, in other words, this flexibility should be made on a different arch level16:40
rakhmerovas a part of engine implementation16:40
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dzimineor a “Strategy” pattern may be.16:41
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rakhmerovor Strategy, yes16:41
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m4dcodermakes sense.  thanks for the clarifications.16:41
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rakhmerovState Pattern basically says "if we have this state, our logic will be like this. If we have that state, our logic will be like that"16:42
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rakhmerov#topic Further plans16:42
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rakhmerovguys, I'd suggest you provide some estimates on what you're planning to do till the next meeting16:43
rakhmerovyour plans16:43
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xazelfinish up with engine-executor protocol16:44
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov plans is to finish with the overall engine structure (taking the new requirements into account like multiple workflows, workflow/action polymorphism, cross references etc.)16:44
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rakhmerov#action xazel, try to finish up with engine-executor protocol16:44
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akuznetsovacontinue to work with python-mistralclient tests16:45
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xazelgood point16:45
rakhmerovakuznetsova, what are you planning to achieve? :)16:45
rakhmerovxazel, yes )16:45
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akuznetsovacover all client methods and to figure out how to configure gate job16:46
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rakhmerov#action akuznetsova, cover all client methods and figure out how to configure gate job16:46
dziminemember:akuznetsova what do you think of using python-client in integration tests and thus testing it?16:47
rakhmerovm4dcoder, did you have the only bug to work on?16:47
rakhmerovdzimine, yes, that's what she started working on16:47
akuznetsovadzimine, do you mean in api integration tests?16:47
dziminedon’t have prescription where exactly16:48
rakhmerovm4dcoder, ok, if you don't mind can I ask you questions about your code if any?16:48
rakhmerovdzimine, akuznetsova, you're at the same page :)16:48
dziminejust to use python-mistralclient against runnign instance of mistral will give us both client testing and client-server integration16:48
rakhmerovNastya basically started doing what you mean Dmitri )16:49
dzimineok, ok :)16:49
rakhmerovok, thanks16:49
rakhmerov#topic Open discussion16:49
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rakhmerovanything else guys?16:49
rakhmerovthat you wanted to discuss16:50
rakhmerovI'm out of ammo for today, too many unshaped thoughts in my head16:50
rakhmerovso, let's finish then?16:51
rakhmerovwaiting 30 more seconds...16:51
rakhmerovkind of last call )16:51
rakhmerovalright, thanks to everyone! Have a good week )16:52
m4dcoderthanks! bye.16:52
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ZucanHi (Scott Adkins).  Megan is trying to join17:01
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matjazphello Zucan17:02
sarobHi all17:02
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sarob#topic stable team update17:03
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dguitarbite1. Major updates to the repository structure as per the given blueprint
dguitarbite2. Kickstarted basic-install-guide
FthamuraI am in17:04
* dguitarbite waves 17:04
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FthamuraAny task for me?17:05
dguitarbitewe need to make sure that reviewers are consistently reviewing over the next two weeks till we hit Juno2 (or Juno1?)17:05
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dguitarbiteto push the basic-install-guide content without much delay17:05
sarob26 jun juno-217:06
dguitarbitesarob: thanks17:06
dguitarbitecomcast team there?17:06
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ZucanComcast: yes, we are here... I am helping Megan, looks like she is on now.17:08
dguitarbiteZucan: kool17:08
matjazpsarob: 26 july, not june?17:08
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sarobOops 26jul17:08
dguitarbiteJuno2: July 26th17:09
dguitarbiteZucan: we need to collaborate a lot more to get basic install guides section running17:09
dguitarbitewe are trying to finish it before July 26th17:09
ZucanYeah, that time is quickly coming.17:09
dguitarbitecan you guys give some time on this ?17:09
MeganRLet's schedule a meeting for tomorrow or Wed to review in more detail17:09
dguitarbitebasically port ideas here
dguitarbitetomorrow sounds good17:10
MeganRI added some information there earlier17:10
sarobI want assoc and oper guides to be stable by Juno m317:10
dguitarbiteMeganR: Yes, I believe content in green17:10
dguitarbitesarob: there is one issue with that17:10
sarobAnd plan for Juno stable soon17:10
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dguitarbitedo you expect Swift's install section to be ready ?17:11
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dguitarbitethe major issue with Swift is that it may not work with VirtualBox multi-node (I need to test it properly)17:11
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dguitarbiteneed lot of work to validate and come up with clean and simple set of instructions for complete OpenStack (nova, neutron etc.) + swift running on training-guide's labs (on virtualbox) with single and multi node17:12
sarobShould doc prob as bug17:12
sarobSo other team members can share workload17:12
dguitarbitesarob: Nope, swift will work. We need to make it work on Training Labs (VirtualBox VMs)17:13
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dguitarbitewith OpenStack completely running17:13
dguitarbitewhich is something I have not tested properly17:13
sarobYou are on the right track with the bp17:14
sarobAnd documenting the work17:14
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dguitarbitewhich bp?17:14
sarobThe two you just ref17:15
Fthamura_Any url for virtual box vm,  that I can download?17:15
Fthamura_Any min requirement to start,  so I can d have same spec with all of you?17:15
dguitarbitecan we put Swift after Juno2?17:15
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dguitarbiteZucan, MeganR: Can we schedule meeting tommorow? I am on IST (India Std. Time).17:16
sarobYou tell me what you can do17:16
* notmyname sees "swift" and lurks17:16
sarobWe the people you have17:16
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dguitarbitesarob: I doubt if Swift can be used for Training Labs, but we can still have install commands for it and put a note that it should be done on actual servers17:17
dguitarbitedoes that sound good?17:17
sarobI can push for more help to move the dates17:17
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sarobFor now okay17:18
dguitarbitehmm, can anyone take the responsibility for Training Labs part?17:18
notmynamedguitarbite: swift on virtual box with vagrant:  <-- does this help anything?17:18
dguitarbitenotmyname: the problem is to deliver Swift with other services Nova, Neutron etc.17:18
dguitarbiteiSCSI starts freaking out on second level virtualization17:19
notmynameok. let me know if I can answer any questions or point in the right direction17:19
dguitarbiteand using loop devices for emulating multiple hdd's would make it a nightmare17:19
dguitarbitenotmyname: I need to get it tested17:19
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dguitarbitelike use VirtualBox Single and Multi Node with complete OpenStack (which is current Training Labs) + Swift17:20
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sarobI'm good with workarounds17:20
matjazpdguitarbite: maybe notmyname can test it with swift and report back?17:20
sarobJust make sure the workaround is documented17:20
Fthamura_All,  are any discussion of this training lab also in doc ml?17:21
dguitarbitematjazp: sounds good17:21
dguitarbitenotmyname: can you test it out?17:21
notmynamematjazp: dguitarbite: I don't really have much context here. I don't know what "it" is.17:21
notmynamesend me an email about it?17:21
dguitarbitenotmyname: I can help you get started17:21
sarobThx for pitching in notmyname17:22
dguitarbite#action dguitarbite help notmyname with Training-Labs + Swift : email : me@not.mn17:22
dguitarbitenotmyname: thank you17:22
matjazpnotmyname: it= Training labs scripts that build test OpenStack instalation17:22
dguitarbitematjazp: that will be step 217:22
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notmynameheh. I haven't done anything yet :-)17:23
dguitarbitefirst we need to do it manually, get the notes and automate it via. training labs17:23
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matjazpdguitarbite: hmmm... I was showing swift + other parts of openstack with devstack only on my trainings17:24
sarobNotmyname right you are17:24
dguitarbitematjazp: does it work properly?17:25
* sarob you honor the code yo17:25
dguitarbitematjazp: also Training-Labs installs OpenStack services were as DevStack runs them manually from the repositories17:26
matjazpdguitarbite: yes, as far as I can remember.. but it was not a "production" swift version (eg. just with one replica, etc...)17:26
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dguitarbitethere is a lot of difference17:26
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sarobWe need to move on17:26
dguitarbitesarob: I think we should move to other topics, we can discuss this later on on #openstack-doc channel17:26
notmynamethat's ok if you're just looking for an "API target" thing. one replica, one server, etc is fine :-)17:26
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matjazpdguitarbite: notmyname; yes, for trainings.. it was perfect that way... not so demanding on hw17:27
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sarob#action Dguitarbite plan for stable features by jm2, jm3 with bp, bug targeted17:28
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sarobMoving on17:28
sarob#topic testing team update17:28
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matjazpI have two things to discuss17:28
dguitarbite#action dguitarbite MeganR Zucan (comcast team) meeting Tuesday Jul08 for basic-install-guide to target Juno217:29
matjazpone... oficial docs-specs repo is up... but docs team is pushing for bp=big change, trainings team is more inclined for bp=smaller task17:29
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matjazpso will we be using it differently?17:30
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sarobIt's a grey area what's big or small reading annegentle def17:31
matjazpok then.. I'll commit a a spec and see what happens ;)17:31
sarobWe have a lot a work that req what I would call big changes17:32
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matjazpanother issue: slides with landslide (
sarobTraining team should be on the spec mostly anyway17:32
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sarobMatjazp so do we want to just go forward with supporting landslide?17:33
matjazpI looked at it... and have few issues to discuss17:33
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sarobMatjazp oscon is soon17:33
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matjazpsarob: yes, I'm ok with it... but as I know my colleagues, they are used to PPTs (academics that is)17:33
sarobIt would be great to have the material merged by the17:34
matjazpwe should at least have slides in PDF17:34
sarobMatjazp http doesn't work?17:34
matjazpfor that, we need PrinceXML (==$$$)17:34
sarobMatjazp only HTML to PDF option?17:35
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matjazplandslide has support for PDFs through PrinceXML17:35
Fthamura_+1 for put put edition17:35
matjazp..and.. theres a translation issue (see Toms comments on review)17:35
Fthamura_Ppt,  sorry typo17:36
sarobMatjazp translation I think is a separate issu17:36
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matjazpsarob: well... yes and no17:36
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matjazpsarob: but for now, I agree.. lets just push review and start producing english version, and leave i18n for later?17:37
sarobMatjazp agree.17:37
sarobMatjazp I still want a plan for languages support for jm3 from infra17:38
matjazpbut can a tool support be developed latter? we NEED PDFs... PPTs are another issue (and I have no idea how to translate landslide to PPTs)17:38
matjazpsarob: shoudl we vote on landslide issue? +1 for pushing as is?17:39
dguitarbiteI would like to suggest17:39
sarobMatjazp sure17:39
sarobPls do17:39
dguitarbitethat the slides can be delivered via. HTML17:39
dguitarbitelike Slideshare/slidedeck17:39
dguitarbitewhile the content is in XML17:40
dguitarbiteit would be nightmare for translation17:40
dguitarbitealready we have requests multiple languages17:40
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dguitarbiteRST kind of defies/makes it difficult the 'Ubiquitous' part17:40
matjazpdguitarbite: trainers usuallly modify slides17:40
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sarobLet's start with the lowest bar to hop17:41
sarobWe have content17:41
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sarobIn rst using landslide17:41
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sarobWe either need to make met gable as is17:42
sarobOr have a plan of what to do with it17:42
matjazpsarob: content? youre talking about upstream univ?17:42
sarobI hear good ideas but no plan17:42
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sarobThe landslide content is a version of the oper and Dev guides17:43
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sarobAs bootcamp17:43
sarobIt's been field tested and will be continued to be improved17:44
Fthamura_I am working with boot camp here..17:44
sarobLet's make use of this opportunity17:44
matjazpsarob: true... if I see correctly on review... core team voted with +1's for going with landslide.. so we push as and deal with problems later?17:44
matjazppush as is17:45
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dguitarbiteI agree with sarob17:45
sarobDguitarbite agreed?17:45
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dguitarbitewe need to have alteast something to start with17:46
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dguitarbitesarob: yes +117:46
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sarobExcellent. I'll clean up the patch and merge it17:46
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matjazpsarob: cool17:46
sarobLet's move on17:46
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sarob#infra team update17:47
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Fthamura_Infra: can we make Intel NUC as micro lab,  inspired from Ubuntu box,  but we create our own17:48
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matjazp#action sarob cleans up and merge it17:48
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sarobLanguage build support by jm3. Can a get a bp/spec on this?17:49
sarobMatjazp thx17:49
matjazpsarob: youre talking about landslide i18n or what?17:49
dguitarbiterluethi is busy17:49
sarobMatjazp both17:50
dguitarbiteinfra is waiting for basic-install-guide's rough draft to validate our in-house openstack scripts17:50
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sarobDguitarbite okay will push np discussion to next week17:50
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sarobI'll push Dev team till next week17:51
sarob#topic any other business17:51
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matjazpso we're done?17:52
sarobOur stats are up17:52
dguitarbitesarob: where do you refer the stats?17:53
sarobOver last 30 days17:53
* annegent_ is late but scrolling back17:53
sarob8.8 reviews per day17:54
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sarobIt looks good17:55
sarobKeep up the good work people17:55
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sarobI'm very pleased with the progress we are making17:56
sarobAnd the new team members contribution17:56
sarobAny last words?17:56
dguitarbitesarob: its gonna increase17:56
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dguitarbiteI am just warming up ;)17:57
matjazpannegent_: you have anything for us?17:57
sarobDguitarbite exxxccccelent17:57
annegent_I talked to a trainer here at Rackspace and want to encourage them to contribute upstream17:57
Fthamura_Hope my name in the future..  Sorry no contribution yet17:57
annegent_they have ansible scripts for their labs, would that be interesting to this group?17:57
dguitarbiteannegent_: yes17:58
matjazpannegent_: sure17:58
dguitarbitewe could start collaborating with them17:58
annegent_I'll see what I can do to encourage upstream then17:58
dguitarbiteit would be really valuable for the Architect guide for sure17:58
annegent_didn't want to have your team take on another technology if there's not interest17:58
dguitarbiteI would like to see Ansible, Puppet, Chef for Architect guide17:59
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sarobTime is up.17:59
sarobThx all17:59
ZucanHave a great week17:59
sarobSee you on #openstack-doc17:59
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krtaylor#startmeeting third-party18:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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krtaylorHi everyone18:00
krtaylorWho is here for third-party meeting?18:01
SvedrinI am :)18:01
krtaylorSvedrin, thanks, I saw the agenda item18:01
swestonI ...18:01
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krtaylorso let's get started then18:01
krtaylorhere is the agenda:18:02
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krtaylor#topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission18:02
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krtaylora reminder for the mission18:02
krtaylor#info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable.18:02
fawadkhaliqhello all!18:03
krtaylor#topic Review of previous week's open action items18:03
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krtaylorwe had 3 actions from last week18:03
krtaylorone was mine for a patch for suggestions for how to meet requirements18:04
krtaylorI did not get that done, due to the holiday in the US18:04
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krtaylorthe other was kevinbenton starting the thread for time to complete testing18:05
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krtaylorthat is done and getting good discussion in ml18:05
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krtaylora reminder to everyone, please tag discussions [third-party] when posting to openstack-dev ml18:06
swestonkrtaylor: is there a patch already created in Gerrit for the documentation?18:06
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krtaylorsweston, there are the two patches anteaya has, but I have not created one yet for my action18:06
krtaylorthere was another action, though18:07
swestonkrtaylor: ok, just checking to make sure I have the right search parameters :-)18:07
krtayloroh, communicate cinder and neutron timelines18:07
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krtaylorsweston, #link,n,z18:07
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krtaylorall, please review these patches18:08
krtaylorthe time line communication action was not assigned, did that come up in cinder and neutron weekly meetings?18:08
krtaylordo we have cinder and neutron represented?18:09
krtaylorsweston, you are neutron right?18:09
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krtaylorwell, I'll take an action to make sure that happens this week18:10
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swestonkrtaylor: I started a discussion with anteaya18:10
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swestonkrtaylor: I need to speak with her to follow up on the next steps18:10
krtaylor#action krtaylor to verify communication of cinder and neutron time lines18:11
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swestonkrtaylor: so I can take that one18:11
krtaylorsweston, yes, please do18:11
krtaylorI think that covers previous week's items18:11
krtaylor#topic Announcements18:12
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krtaylordoes anyone have any announcements?18:12
swestonkrtaylor: awesome,  can you post a new action18:12
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swestonkrtaylor: so it is reflected  in the minutes?18:12
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krtaylorsweston, yes, and I assigned it so I'll make sure it gets done to both projects18:13
swestonkrtaylor: ok, great.  thanks.18:13
krtaylorsweston, oh, for you18:13
swestonkrtaylor: yes18:13
krtaylor#action sweston to communicate timelines18:13
krtaylorok, lets move on18:13
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krtaylor#topic OpenStack Program Items18:14
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krtaylorany OpenStack program items?18:14
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krtaylornews from projects?18:14
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krtaylorwell, I posted this earlier18:14
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krtaylorplease review these patches, let get them done, I'll ping anteaya when she is back to get them closed out18:15
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krtaylorany discussion now on these?18:15
luqaskrtaylor: maybe I can move mine into your requirements/recommendations18:16
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swestonkrtaylor: not ar this time, but I may have some additions later on how to do third party ci with puppet18:16
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krtaylorluqas, yes, I did see that in the email thread18:16
krtaylorsweston, please patch, that's well needed18:17
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swestonkrtaylor: ok, I can create a topic branch for it18:17
luqaskrtaylor: ok, so we'll see where it fits better18:17
krtaylorluqas, if you want, I'll roll that up in my patch18:17
luqaskrtaylor: that would be nice too18:18
krtaylorluqas, or you can patch and I'll wait for the merge, whatever you prefer18:18
luqaswere do you think it reads better?18:18
krtaylorluqas, I am less worried about it being perfect right now, we can always refactor18:19
krtaylorthere is so much to document here18:19
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luqaskrtaylor: ok, will patch it then we'll see18:19
swestonkrtaylor: correction, I guess that would be same topic, new subject18:19
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krtaylorthe challange is going to be to get it recorded, then we can worry about how consumable it is18:20
krtaylorsweston, I don't follow18:20
swestonkrtaylor: never mind, just thinking out loud.18:20
krtaylorsweston, oh, for the patch, yes18:21
swestonkrtaylor: yup18:21
krtaylorok, ever onward18:21
krtaylor#topic Deadlines & Deprecations18:21
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krtayloranything to communicate here?18:21
krtaylornew deadlines?18:21
krtaylorother than the cinder/neutron?18:21
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krtaylorI guess we will see in the next cycle for other projects18:22
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krtaylornext item then18:22
krtaylor#topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account18:23
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krtaylors0nea, Svedrin - you are up to discuss openATTIC18:23
s0neaok, yes... hi all. we a trying to set up a ci testing system for our openattic project18:24
s0neaand i think we need a little help18:24
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s0neaanteaya, told me that here is the right place to ask for18:24
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krtaylors0nea, can you give us a very short overview of openattic?18:25
s0neawe already received a service account and followed up the guide up to section Test the dsvm-tempest-full Jenkins job18:25
fawadkhaliqs0nea: can you please share what are you targeting that you need help with. If I can, I will.18:26
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krtaylors0nea, I think there are several of us here that have background here, as well as the gurus from my team :)18:26
ArxCruzs0nea: I have a little experience to setup CI, I can help you. I also writing some posts about how to setup a 3rd Party CI like o-infra at
s0neaok fine, krtaylor :)18:27
krtaylorwhat is the goal? what are you stuck on?18:27
s0neaok, the first point is, that after clicking in jenkins on the play button, it only ran about 300 tests... ist that normal?18:27
s0neais there an option we need to enable to run more tests?18:28
krtaylorArxCruz,  yeah a "little" experience :)18:28
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krtaylors0nea, we'd need more info18:28
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krtaylors0nea, did you get passed/failed/skipped? are you skipping by passing regex?18:29
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s0neakrtaylor, no, i think all works fine18:29
s0neait said success at the end of the test18:30
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krtaylors0nea, what project/component?18:30
s0neabut it reported a few errors in logs18:30
s0neai'm talking about the dsvm-tempest-full job18:31
krtaylors0nea, ok, a google search shows that it is software defined storage, that is some of the background needed18:31
s0neaah yes... ok18:32
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s0neawe wrote cinder driver18:32
krtaylorah, ok, that helps18:32
s0neafor using our storage tool as blockstorage18:32
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krtaylors0nea, this may be something better suited for an -infra discussion, we may need to see logs (pastebin)18:33
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krtaylorfind us there, ArxCruz and I can help for sure, looks like fawadkhaliq  volunteered also18:34
s0neaok... you want see the log of the dsvm-tempest-full job?18:34
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krtaylors0nea, it would help, tail and post to pastebin18:34
krtaylorpost link and we'll discuss18:34
s0neaok... no problem18:35
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krtaylorok, is ther any questions for s0nea18:36
krtaylors0nea, it would be nice to learn more about your environment too18:37
swestonno, I agree, we need more info to help.18:37
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krtaylors0nea, maybe when you get it working you can come back and discuss how you got everything to work?18:37
swestonif the logs are not available now for paste, then s0nea might like to know where we can look for the link18:37
s0neakrtaylor, yes, sure18:38
s0neahere is the paste:
krtaylorok, cool!18:39
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krtaylorso lets move that discussion to -infra and move along18:39
krtaylor#topic Open Discussion18:39
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krtaylorso I'll open the floor18:39
krtaylorlast week we discussed terminology at length18:40
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krtaylorI suggested that writing these terms down would be good, it started a nice ML discussion18:40
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krtaylorI am hoping to see some agreement on things like success, failure, passed, etc18:41
krtaylorso that's what I had, needed to be a formal topic for this week's meeting, but ran out of time at the end of last week18:42
swestonawesome.  what do you think the next step is?18:42
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swestonah, ok18:42
krtaylorsweston, I think a proposal for the terms, on the ML, then a patch18:42
krtaylormaybe to a terms section of the doc18:42
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swestonkrtaylor: cool.  would you like to team up on that?18:42
krtaylorbut I am flexible on it18:42
krtaylorsweston, +118:42
krtaylorsweston, do you want to post a proposal?18:43
swestonkrtaylor, +1.  Yes.18:43
swestonkrtaylor: to the ML?18:43
krtayloryes, please18:43
swestonkrtaylor: I can do that.18:44
swestonkrtaylor: I might have some questions for you after I google around a bit18:44
krtaylor#action sweston to propose terminology for test completion criteria, success, fail, pass, etc18:44
ArxCruzs0nea: need to check your localrc, I'm pretty sure it's running only 300 tests because you're disabling something in your localrc18:44
krtaylorsweston, absolutely18:44
swestonkrtaylor: kk18:45
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krtaylorArxCruz, thx for the quick look!18:45
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ArxCruzs0nea: also you're running smoke tests, not the full tempest18:45
s0neaoh that was fast, thank you ArxCruz :)18:45
krtayloris there any other topics for discussion?18:46
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swestonI do not have any18:47
krtaylorI think in general we need to get some of these outstanding doc patches finished up and start looking at requirements18:47
krtaylorbut that will wait until anteaya is back18:47
krtaylorok, well I guess we can finish early then, anyone?18:48
krtaylorwell, we'll finish early for once!18:48
Svedrinkrtaylor, can we just ping one of you guys when we have questions?18:49
krtaylorSvedrin, sure, find one of us in #openstack-infra18:49
Svedrinok will do, thanks :)18:49
krtaylorlast call18:49
krtaylorthanks everyone!18:50
s0neayes, thank you all for your support :)18:50
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s0neaArxCruz, i will have a closer look at it and let you know if it solves the problem18:51
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devanandahm, i seem to be having intermittent network issues ...19:01
devanandawho's here for Ironic meeting?19:01
Shrewsohai ironic!19:01
devananda#startmeeting ironic19:01
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devanandahi all! as usual, the agenda can be found here19:01
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devananda#chair NobodyCam19:02
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda19:02
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devanandaI dont think there are any big announcements from last week19:03
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devanandaand hopefully by now everyone is aware of and (if you'r going) has already made arrangements for the mid cycle19:03
devanandaany questions, speak up now before we move on to release cycle progress report19:03
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romchegdevananda: I told that in the chat but will say it again.19:04
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NobodyCami look forward to seeing every one htere19:04
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devanandaok, moving on19:05
romchegI won't be able to be there. Last minute I realised that budget for my trip was not approved19:05
devanandaromcheg: ah, bummer :(19:05
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devananda#topic release cycle progress19:05
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devanandathe J2 milestone is two weeks from now19:05
devanandait's just a milestone tag, not much to do, but ...19:06
rloooh oh so soon.19:06
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devanandathere are a few specs we ought to land (and implement, since the code is nearly done too)19:06
NobodyCamwe need spec reviewa19:06
NobodyCamreviews even19:06
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rloowhich specs devananda ?19:07
devanandaand the meeting is the week after that, so I would really like us to have the specs in shape for J3 by the end of the midcycle (iow, by July 30)19:07
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devanandarloo: I'd like to get your API work in by J2 -- think that's possible?19:07
NobodyCamrloo: I'm basing my reviews on :
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rloodevananda: it is possible IF the spec is approved this week and IF the code is reviewed and approved by J2 :-)19:08
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devanandarloo: I've +2'd the spec and asked lucasagomes to revie it tmw19:08
lucasagomesrloo, I will review it tomorrow morning19:08
rloodevananda: ok, code will be ready for review by wed at the latest then ;)19:09
devanandaJoshNang: ditto for the swift tempurl spec. I've +2'd, if it's +A'd, do you think the code is ready in the next week or so?19:09
lifelessI'm not really here sorry19:09
rloohaha, we have lifeless' ghost.19:09
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JoshNangdevananda: it should be19:09
devanandagreat, thanks19:09
JoshNangi should be able to get the python-swiftclient patch in this week. i'll bug them :)19:10
devanandawe are going to need someone working on grenade testing19:10
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devanandaand folks working on deployer-focused docs19:10
devanandanot immediately, but if we dont start those soon, we'll be in bad shape19:10
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rloocan't we wait on the deployer-focused docs until after j3?19:11
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devanandaboth are necessary for graduation, which will be checked soemtime between J3 (feature freeze) and release19:11
devanandarloo: we did that last cycle, and what i've noticed is that we have a lot of users right now who are grasping at straws19:11
matty_dubsWe also have people asking in IRC fairly often about developer-doc-y stuff, so it might be beneficial.19:11
NobodyCamromcheg: did I see you working on grenade testing this morning?19:11
devanandarloo: because the deployer docs we have aren't adequate19:11
matty_dubsaka, what devananda just said ;)19:11
devanandamatty_dubs: exactly19:11
romchegNobodyCam: yes you did19:11
rlooyeah, i agree they aren't adequate. i thought matty_dubs was going to update his blog?19:12
NobodyCamromcheg: great TY19:12
matty_dubsI am actually actively revising my blog post that kind of does this; I'm happy to also use that as the base for 'real' docs, and/or help with something else19:12
devanandamatty_dubs: awesome. real docs would be great19:12
rloothx for volunteering matty_dubs !19:12
matty_dubsThough mine's presently with devstack, which probably isn't something people would use in production19:12
romchegNobodyCam: But it would be really nice if some one came and helped me with that big piece of code w/o docs :)19:13
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lucasagomesbtw, would like to add address the iPXE work here. There's the spec and patches upstream, and it's possible to test it using devstack and nested VMs like we do in gate19:13
matty_dubs(But we can sort that out offline)19:13
devanandathat's it for my progress report19:13
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lucasagomes#link (for devstack)19:13
lucasagomes#link (for ironic)19:13
NobodyCamlucasagomes: links are for?19:14
lucasagomesNobodyCam, iPXE work19:14
devananda#info J2 is two weeks away. we'll try to land 98904 and 102914 specs and corersponding code by then (swift temp url + api for driver_info)19:14
jrolldevananda: maybe agent driver too? :)19:14
jrollI've got devstack testing nearly working with it... think I'm running into code issues at this point19:14
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devanandajroll: I want to look more deeply at the agent driver during the midcycle19:14
devanandajroll: and try to land it then, which is just after j219:15
devanandalucasagomes: awesome, i'll take a look at the ipxe spec/code this week19:16
lucasagomesack :)19:16
devananda#info we'll also try to land the ipxe spec and code by j2 as well19:16
devanandafwiw, that was very high on our priority list at the start of Juno, and it enables several other features19:16
romchegdevananda: I assume we also have to land nova=>ironic migration spec too?19:16
devanandaso landing sooner is better19:16
NobodyCamdevananda: is that on the google doc spreadsheet?19:16
devanandaromcheg: that's up to Nova's team. I'll continue working on that19:17
lucasagomesah, just one thing... after apply the patches you have to enabled iPXE on the localrc for devstack, so you need to set IRONIC_IPXE_ENABLED=True and the rest is the same, just follow our deploy guideline19:17
devanandaok, taht's all for the milestone progress19:17
devanandalet's move on to subteam status19:17
rlooNobodyCam: the iPXE is #20 in google doc19:17
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NobodyCamrloo: TY19:17
devananda#info no significant progress last week on the nova driver code. still pending a few patches and waiting for Nova team to review.19:18
devananda#topic subteam status reports19:18
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devanandaShrews, adam_g: hi! can yo usummarize the tempest activity from last week?19:18
adam_gwe had a long and generally productive chat with -qa folks yesterday19:18
wanyenCan we try to land iLo power and virtual media drivers in J2?19:18
adam_gand came away with some actionable work items for the rest of the cycle that should get our CI testing better aligned with expections of the -qa team19:19
adam_gsummarized here
Shrewsand making some dents in the tempest api tests... though running into stuff where it's questionable whether the change should be in ironic's nova driver or tempest itself19:20
devanandawanyen: you had nearly 15 minutes to bring up specs to discuss. Sorry, we've moved on in the meeting to subteam reports. Feel free to bring that up in the open discussion, though.19:20
adam_gnot much else, Shrews and i have been chipping away at the test suite's API tests to make them runnable against ironic19:20
devanandagood stuff -- thanks guys!19:20
wanyendeva: okay.19:20
devanandadtantsur is on vacation this week I believe, so we're missing the bug team19:21
jrolladam_g: I noticed the thing about shrinking DIB ramdisks... how much ram are we assuming devstack gets here?19:21
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jrollfairly certain agent ramdisk is even larger19:21
adam_gjroll, the jenkins devstack slaves are cloud instances with 8GB19:21
JayFjroll: and IPA does things out of a ramdisk, and has to be able to hold the whole image in ram (at a minimum)19:21
jrollJayF: ehhhhh I'd like to change that19:22
adam_gjroll, we're aiming to get the DIB produced pxe deploy-ironic ramdisks down to 512M per node19:22
jrolladam_g: ok19:22
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devanandaat minimum, AIUI, we need to be able to run 3 instances in parallel19:22
devanandaand for "parallel" tempest testing, 6 instances19:22
jrollwait... I think IPA is under 512 already19:22
jrollJayF: ? ^19:22
JayFIPA is well under 512MB for download19:22
JayFbut ram usage is much higher than that19:22
jrollah, right19:22
devanandaright, so deploy-ironic is < 100 compressed19:22
lucasagomesJayF, oh, it downloads and convert the image in ram?19:23
JayF175M compressed for IPA19:23
devanandajroll: if RS is willing to donate larger resources to -infra for testing Ironic, that may help too19:23
jrollok, I'll make a note and see what we can do. thanks adam_g19:23
jrolldevananda: :)19:23
devanandaJayF: ouch19:23
JayFlucasagomes: absolutely, we persist *nothing* to local storage (or even assume that we ahve local storage)19:23
lifelessits less than I expected19:23
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JayFHonestly, I think optimising for RAM in a deploy ramdisk isn't a super great use of time, so I'll ask some folks on this end about donating resources for ironic testing19:24
devanandajroll: any updates on ipa driver from last week?19:24
jrolldevananda: we're working on some advanced features, as well as devstack testing19:25
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jrollI think I have the required changes for devstack and running into ironic code issues at this point19:25
jrolls/ironic/agent driver/19:25
wanyenJroll: what advanced features?19:26
jrollwanyen: decommissioning, etc19:26
JayFwanyen: for instance, the decom spec JoshNang is workign on19:26
jrollnetwork isolation19:26
devanandajroll: sounds good. how up to date is ?19:26
jrolldevananda: not terribly :) will update today19:27
devanandajroll: thanks! or if you have another site you are tracking IPA progress on, pls link it from the whiteboard19:27
jrollthat etherpad should be fine, I just have been ignoring it19:27
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jrollI'll be sure to update it today, and then before next meeting19:28
devananda#info discussion last week with openstack-qa team led to actionable work items for Ironic team to help align CI efforts. Shrews and adam_g continuing to make progress improving test coverage.19:28
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devananda#info looking into lowering RAM requireemnts for deploy-ironic agent19:29
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devanandajroll: is the ipa-enabling code for devstack up anywhere yet?19:29
jrolladam_g, devananda: quick question, how many nodes do you think would be good for an ironic CI environment19:30
jrolldevananda: not yet, will be later today19:30
devanandajroll: want an action item?19:30
NobodyCamfyi: 1/2 way point for the meeting...beep19:30
devanandajroll: that reallyd epends on what you want to test19:30
adam_gjroll, for use with tempest?19:30
jrolldevananda: is the devstack patch19:31
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jrolldevananda, adam_g: if we forwarded all tempest tests to an environment with more ram...19:31
devananda#action jroll to post a review adding IPA-driver support to devstack later this week19:31
jrollhow many, say, 16 or 32 gb nodes would we need19:31
devanandajroll: let's follow up on that after the meeting -- we can probably discuss it for a while19:31
jrollsounds good19:32
jrolljust thinking rough numbers, but after is fine :)19:32
devanandajroll: as it depends on multiple things (mostly on what and how often you want to test)19:32
jrollright, I'm talking about zuul\19:32
jrollwith existing jobs19:32
devanandaGheRiver1: hi! any updates from oslo last week?19:32
jrollbut let's move on :)19:32
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devanandahm... we'll come back to oslo if GheRiver1 is around19:34
devanandaromcheg: hi! any updates on the nova->ironic db migration? or grenade testing?19:34
romchegThere are some :)19:34
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romchegSo both of the tools are in the state how I think they should be so you are welcome to take a look19:34
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NobodyCamromcheg: links?19:35
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romcheg#link data migration tool19:35
romcheg#link flavor update tool19:36
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romchegShould I create entry points in Nova for them?19:36
devananda#info nova -> ironic database migration and flavor update tools ready for review and testing19:36
devanandaromcheg: I re-submitted the spec for those this morning with the two minor fixes you pointed out19:36
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romchegSo after installing Nova Juno users will be able to run a command like nova-migrate-db-to-ironic --params19:37
devanandai don't expect much disagreement from Nova since the main driver spec was already approved19:37
romchegdevananda: I'm reading that.19:37
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romchegLarge texts take more time to read them since I'm not an English speaker :)19:38
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devanandaromcheg: changes were very small - fix the link and s/glance/nova/ on one line19:38
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devanandasince GheRivero doesn't seem to be here, I'll try to give an update instead19:39
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romchegYes, that's good but I'm trying to make sure there are no other inaccuracies or ambiguous things19:39
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devanandaIIRC, a new version of oslo.db should be coming out soon, with fixes to the migration tests19:41
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devanandabut nothing specifically affecting us changed last week19:41
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devanandathat's it19:41
devananda#topic open discussion19:42
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wanyenI would like to talk about landing ilO power and virtualmedia driver in J219:42
devanandawanyen: hi! I have +2'd the ilo power spec. once it has another +2, I'll approve it19:43
devanandai need to take another look at the virtualmediad deploy driver19:43
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wanyeniLo pwoer spec and ilo power driver code have been submitted for sometime.   dtantsur approved the earlier versioj of the power spec19:43
wanyendeva:  dtantsur also approved the ilo power code.19:44
rloowrt approving the code for these drivers. devananda: what kind of tests need to be in place if any? are they mentioned in the resp. specs?19:44
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devanandarloo: they definitely need sufficient unit test coverage19:45
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rloodevananda: ok, no 3rdparty CI then.19:46
devanandarloo: as far as third-party CI on real hardware, most of the driver specs I've seen have included a note asying "we can't do this right now"19:46
devanandarloo: i think the spec should include the author's expectation19:46
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rloodevananda: thx.19:47
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devanandahow we indicate to users which drivers are tested to what degree -- I'm going to stick that on the agenda for the midcycle :)19:47
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wanyendeva: ilo virtual media code is ready to submit.  We need approval for the spec.19:48
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NobodyCamare there any thoughts on how we can try spec dependencies?19:49
devanandawanyen: ack. I'll look at them as soon as possible19:49
lucasagomeswanyen, I will take a look at the spec19:49
devanandaNobodyCam: what do you mean?19:49
jrollwanyen: you can submit the code before the spec is approved :)19:49
wanyengreat!  Thanks!19:49
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NobodyCamwe have specs thats are starting to depend on each other19:49
jroll(it just won't be looked at as much)19:49
jrollNobodyCam: is there something wrong with that?19:49
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takadayuiko_excuse me, can we discuss about ?19:50
devanandawanyen: also, i'm curious about something -- there seem to be duplicate specs from HP for advanced iLO features19:50
NobodyCamjroll one could land before the other19:50
devanandaNobodyCam: that seems natural to me. git/gerrit allow us to represent taht dependency easily enough19:50
jrollNobodyCam: I mean. use gerrit. use git.19:50
wanyenjroll: yes.  We are maing minor changes to address commetns.  So, we will submit the code soon.19:50
NobodyCamas example
jrollNobodyCam: also don't be afraid to tell folks to make something a dependency19:51
rlooNobodyCam: if one spec depends on another, the spec could land, but the related code won't/shouldn't if it depends on the code of the dependent spec.19:51
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NobodyCamsee comments on ^^^19:51
NobodyCamI think they are dependent19:51
NobodyCamauthor seems to think noe19:51
jrolltell the author they are wrong19:51
jrollif you think they are19:52
jrollor ask for other opinions19:52
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jrollwork it just like code review19:52
NobodyCambeen trying19:52
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devanandatakadayuiko_: hi! I'm looking at taht patch - what is your question?19:53
lucasagomesoh the config deprecation strategy... there's one for openstack? or projects do it differently?19:53
devanandathere definitely is one for openstack, and we definitely should be following it19:53
devanandaeven though irnoic isn't integrated, we have users who are affected by us, and we need to consider upgrades and backwards-compatibility issues19:54
wanyenNobodyCam:  Basec on my understanding , the generic hw discovery bit does not cover user initiate discovery19:54
devanandareally those are orthogonal to integration19:54
takadayuiko_devananda, thank you. I asked to lifeless and understood what is the problem, backword compatibility , right? I want to listen your ideas19:54
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rlooNobodyCam: 102565 spec has a reference at the bottom to 100951 spec. see line 29:
NobodyCamwanyen: it was this line that cought my eye: It will add inventory as a new field to the node object as proposed by
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wanyenNobodyCam: I think dtantsur proposed that all discovered node proerties to be stored in the inventory fields.19:57
jrollwanyen: and you're depending on that proposal19:57
NobodyCamwanyen: yes in 10256519:57
wanyenNobodyCam: we can do that.  I thouhgt IPA already has that field added19:57
JayF-> 2 minute warning19:57
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NobodyCamty JayF19:58
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jrollwanyen: IPA driver doesn't have an approved spec either, so same situation :)19:58
jrollwanyen: that said, we haven't added a new column, just using extra19:58
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takadayuiko_devananda: mm, do you mean that it's better to have both url and neutron_host, neutron_port, neutron_protocol?19:59
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NobodyCamwanyen: TY19:59
devanandatakadayuiko_: when removing an option, you must include a deprecation path. same for renaming as well.20:00
NobodyCambeep times up20:00
devanandatakadayuiko_: irrespective of whether i think that is a good change, it will break deployments20:00
wanyenjroll> ok.  we are fine to use the new inventory field.  But I do have cocnerns that if the generic hw bit spec/code does not land then no oneelse can land their hew discovery cdoe?20:00
jrollto #openstack-ironic20:00
devanandathanks everyone! talk with you all again next week!20:00
jrollthanks chairs :)20:00
NobodyCamgreat meeting20:00
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takadayuiko_devananda, ah, it's not good, I'll update my patch. thank you.20:02
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mesteryHi Neutron people!20:59
armaxhi there20:59
emaganahello world!20:59
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mesterynati_ueno rkukura SumitNaiksatam markmcclain obondarev arosen garyk: Neutron meeting21:01
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Swamihi everyone21:01
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enikanorov_obondarev is travelling right now21:01
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mestery#startmeeting networking21:02
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mestery#link Agenda21:02
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mestery#topic Announcements21:02
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mestery#info Spec Proposal Deadline is 7-10-2014, and Spec Approval Deadline is 7-20-2014 for Juno.21:03
mesteryI sent an email on that last week, but wanted it noted in the meeting minutes.21:03
mestery#info Juno-2 is July 24.21:03
mesteryAlso a note about the Juno-2 deadline which is fast approaching.21:03
mestery#info Neutron Mid-Cycle Sprint is this week: 7-9 through 7-11.21:04
mesteryI think we'll have somewhere around 20-25 people or so showing up.21:04
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mesteryI expect a busy week, looking forward to seeing those who can make it in person!21:04
mesteryOK, lets move on past announcements now.21:05
mestery#topic Bugs21:05
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mesteryenikanorov_: Hi!21:05
enikanorov_nothing major or critical on bugs side21:05
enikanorov_lock wait timeouts are hit here and there21:05
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enikanorov_waiting for patch to merge:21:05
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enikanorov_i believe it should fix a good bunch of timeouts21:06
mesteryenikanorov_: Excellent!21:06
enikanorov_so cores please review21:07
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salv-orlandowhat do you reckon of switching to mysql-connector?21:07
enikanorov_is there a patch we can test?21:08
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gusI'm working on a bunch of changes to oslo.db that are required first21:08
enikanorov_i think it could be a good way to move forward21:08
enikanorov_although i think we  still need to fix the issue with existing code21:08
gusYou won't be able to in all cases.21:09
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enikanorov_gus: why?21:09
guseg: if two user requests come in at once to mutate the same DB row, then you'll deadlock.21:09
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enikanorov_no, why?21:09
enikanorov_one is making change, another one is waiting21:10
mesteryI see a BP registered in LP for this already: with spec here:
marundeadlock means one thing in db-land, another in code land.21:10
gusone eventlet opens a transaction, starts doing stuff.21:10
gusyields at any point.21:10
gusnew thread comes in and also opens a transaction that the DB thinks needs to block on the first.21:11
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enikanorov_that's not exactly a deadlock. we have a bunch of deadlock too, and that's a different condition21:11
mesteryI think any discussion of moving to mysql-connector needs to happen at a higher level than just Neutron, perhaps we should move this discussion to the ML.21:11
enikanorov_(it's actually a lock order issue)21:11
enikanorov_mestery: agree. and thanks for the pointer21:12
salv-orlandomestery: it’s already there21:12
salv-orlandothis is why I brought it here21:12
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mesterysalv-orlando: Just bringing everyone up to speed. :)21:12
gusyou'll never give cpu back to the first.21:12
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salv-orlandomestery: link here if you want to add to meeting minutes ->
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mesteryThanks salv-orlando!21:13
mesteryenikanorov_: Any other bugs we should be aware of or need discussing here?21:14
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enikanorov_no, unless salv-orlando wants to say something about the bug he has filed21:14
enikanorov_about vif plugging notifications21:14
salv-orlandoI filed lots of them which one?21:14
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1338679 in nova "Some Neutron plugins might miss network-vif-* events" [Undecided,New]21:15
salv-orlandothat does not affect any plugin running the ovs agent. Therefore I don’t think it needs meeting attention.21:15
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mesteryOK, thanks salv-orlando.21:15
enikanorov_that's it then with bugs21:15
mesteryenikanorov_: Thank you!21:16
mestery#topic Team Discussion Topics21:16
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mesteryI wanted to quickly highlight one thing about the mid-cycle this week:21:16
mesteryOn Wednesday, it would be great if folks could delay arrival until 9:30 or so.21:16
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mesteryThe reason being, the large training room I have is mine at that time. :)21:16
mesteryI have a smaller room before that, but 20+ people would be cramped there. The rest of the week people can come much earlier.21:17
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mlavallemestery: glad to sleep another 30 minutes :-)21:17
mesteryAny questions on the sprint this week from anyone?21:17
mesterymlavalle: ;)21:17
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mesteryOK, one other thing I'd like to bring up is the core reviewer assignment email I sent out today.21:18
Sukhdevmestery: works just fine for me -21:18
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mesteryIn a nutshell, I'm hoping that for the 10 community BPs identified here we can spread the load of working these out in the final weeks of Juno-2.21:18
mesteryIn no way am I discouraging anyone from reviewing additional BPs, but I'm hoping this will provide submitters with core contacts for the community BPs I've highlighted here.21:19
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mesteryLets see how this works and evaluate things post Juno-2.21:19
emaganamestery: +121:19
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mesteryAny questions or comments on this?21:19
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mesteryThanks emagana :)21:19
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mesteryAlso, I should highlight I'm not ignoring additional BPs here, but I thought starting with a smaller set to gather some data as to how this works would be worth trying.21:20
* mestery listens to the crickets.21:20
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mesteryOK, lets move on then.21:21
mestery#topic Nova Parity21:21
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mesterymarkmcclain: Hi!21:21
markmcclainnot to much movement with the holidays last week looking forward to getting everyone in teh same room21:21
mesterymarkmcclain: +1!21:22
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mestery#link Mid-Cycle Sprint parity work items21:22
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emaganamestery is chatting with someone else!21:24
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mesteryOK, lets see how much we can get done this week on the parity front!21:24
Sukhdevemagana: how did you know that ?21:24
emaganamea culpa!21:24
mestery#topic Tempest21:24
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mesterymlavalle: Hi!21:24
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mlavallewe merged the last two api tests of the list we planned originally in January: VPN (by me) and LbaaS quotas by Evgeny Fedoruk21:25
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mesterymlavalle: That's great!21:26
mlavallesc68cal also merged ipv6 test that wssn't in the irginal list21:26
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mlavallewe have another two tests for porvider networks in the works21:27
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mlavalleso in this front we have execellent covergare21:27
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mlavalleI spent some time pinging salv-orlando and markmcclain for tempest tests that might need development for the nuetron full job and nova parity21:28
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mlavallenothin is really needed there21:28
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mesterymlavalle: One thing I hope we can discuss this week is multi-node testing for DVR via a 3rd party.21:28
salv-orlandoI confirm the problem of the full job is not it being full21:28
mlavalleso for the sprint this week, I listed the api tests in review: to make sure they get reviewed and merged asap21:28
salv-orlandobut rather being parallel21:28
mesterysalv-orlando: Heh21:28
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armaxmestery: I was speaking with marun the other day and he said we might be able to do multi-node upstream21:29
mlavallealso keeping an eye in the missing api calls for nova-parity. even though they are not new calls for the neutron api, we need to make sure the corresponding nova tests pass21:29
armaxnot sure if it’s just speculation at the moment :)21:29
armaxwe’ll need to dig into this21:29
mesteryarmaxm armax: That would be most excellent!21:29
marunit's not speculation21:29
mlavallemestery: and yes, we can discuss DVR this week21:30
armaxmarun: thanks for keeping me honest21:30
salv-orlandoI heard in the last qa meeting that’s technically already possible21:30
marunit was confirmed by sdague in last week's qa meeting that multi-node should be possible with as little as a week of concerted effort21:30
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mlavalleI also saw that you liested the new LBaaS api for the juno-2 reviews21:30
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mesterymarun: Excellent! That's really good news for testing DVR multi-node in the gate!21:30
salv-orlandosee? marun confirms I’m not a liar too21:30
marunthis means tempest accepting multi-node testing, the kind we require to validate many of the parity work items, is not far off21:30
armaxmestery: for now I have been worrying at getting dvr to work on a single-node :)21:30
mesteryarmax: ;)21:31
mlavalleso I can spend time this week completing the tempest tests for that api21:31
armaxmarun, mestery, salv-orlando: baby steps21:31
mesterymlavalle: Yes, new LBaaS API tests for Tempest will be needed.21:31
mesterymlavalle: Cool!21:31
* salv-orlando mehs thinking about why we would need multi-node to validate parity with nova-network if nova network is not running multi node either so far?21:31
mlavalleI am half way with the new LBaaS tests. So it's just a mteer of devoting time to them21:31
* armax agrees21:31
* mestery agress too21:31
enikanorov_neutron should be better!21:31
mesterymlavalle: Awesome!21:32
mlavallethat's all I have21:32
armaxbut I think that multi-node should be done for both nova and dvr21:32
mesteryLots of activity in the Tempest report this week mlavalle!21:32
armaxnot just dvr21:32
mesteryarmax: +121:32
marunwe need nova network ha testing as much as we need dvr testing in the gate21:32
marunarmax: +121:32
armaxmarun: +121:32
mesterymarun: +10021:32
* mlavalle lloking forward to see the team this week in Minneapolis21:32
mesterymlavalle: Indeed, should be nice!21:32
mesteryOK, lets move on, thanks mlavalle!21:33
mestery#topic L321:33
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mesterycarl_baldwin: Hi there!21:33
carl_baldwinMostly DVR work.  Still progressing.21:33
mlavallemestery: I forgot to mention. I developed a 4 slides presentation to train tempest developers if it is needed during the sprint21:33
mesterymlavalle: That's awesome, thanks for that, and I hope we can make use of it.21:33
Sukhdevmlavalle: that would be great21:33
carl_baldwinI look forward to working on it in Minn. this week.21:34
mesterycarl_baldwin: Great, as does everyone!21:34
mesterycarl_baldwin: Anything else this week?21:34
carl_baldwinmestery: Not really.  We still have the same goals as last week.21:34
mesterycarl_baldwin: OK, thanks for the updates here!21:35
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mestery#topic Advanced Services21:35
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mesterySumitNaiksatam: Hi there!21:35
SumitNaiksatammestery: hi21:35
SumitNaiksatamso we are still pretty much at the same point as the last week21:35
SumitNaiksatamstill discussing flavors21:35
SumitNaiksatammestery: you mentioned you wanted to spend some more time here?21:36
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov, markmcclain: do you guys think we are converging?21:36
mesteryPer email last week, I hope we're close on closing on flavors. :)21:36
markmcclainI thought we were21:36
enikanorov_SumitNaiksatam: mostly, i think21:36
markmcclainenikanorov: wants to hold off on items I thought we had agreed on21:36
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain, enikanorov_: thats great21:37
enikanorov_markmcclain: i though we had agreed to hold them off :)21:37
enikanorov_markmcclain: i've replied to your reply btw21:37
markmcclainextensions should have API support21:37
SumitNaiksatamso from a process perspective, which blueprint spec are reviewing?21:37
SumitNaiksatamor still both?21:37
enikanorov_SumitNaiksatam: markmcclain's21:37
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov_: ok good21:37
enikanorov_markmcclain: let's continue on ML about the extensions, i think it's doable, but not necessarily with user-facing API part21:38
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov_: you mentioned you had started implementation?21:38
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enikanorov_SumitNaiksatam: right21:38
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov_: okay just wanted to make sure that everyeone is aware of that, thanks!21:39
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SumitNaiksatamother than flavors, as a team we are also reviewing the service base/insertion, chaining and traffic steering blueprints21:39
SumitNaiksatami am also happy to state that neutron is soon going to have a “tapaas” menu! ;-)21:39
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SumitNaiksatamthe Tap As A Service spec is also coming along:
SumitNaiksatamany questions for the sub-team?21:40
SumitNaiksatammestery: then thats it from me21:41
mesterySumitNaiksatam: Thank you!21:41
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mestery#topic IPv621:41
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gduanWe should discuss implication of multiple driver instances introduced by flavor21:41
mesterysc68cal: Hi!21:41
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mesterygduan: Got in at the last minute there ;)21:42
mesterygduan: Is this something you want to dsicuss now or in the review?21:42
mesterygduan: No worries :)21:42
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enikanorov_gduan: i think we can manage single driver instance still21:42
sc68calmestery: hello21:42
gduanI think enikanorov has a plan to furthur discuss it in team meeting21:42
mesterysc68cal: Hold one second ;)21:42
mesterygduan: In the services meeting this week?21:42
SumitNaiksatamgduan: yes, please comment on the review and lets bring it to the meeting this week21:43
enikanorov_gduan: even in case of dynamic loading it's not too difficult to maintain single instance of the driver21:43
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markmcclaingduan, enikanorov_ we should discuss on ML vs in meetings where everyone must be present21:43
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SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: thats for logs are for21:43
mesteryOK, lets move on now.21:44
mestery#topic IPv621:44
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mesterysc68cal: REady now!21:44
markmcclainSumitNaiksatam: logs do not enable participation in the process for those that are away from this meeting21:44
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sc68calPromise I'll be short - for the most part it's just the radvd spec & patch21:44
sc68calSo basically just the review now21:45
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sc68cal#link radvd support review21:45
sc68calThat's about it from me21:45
salv-orlandothanks… we know you’re busy with the doc sprint this week21:46
mesteryThanks sc68cal, enjoy the doc sprint!21:46
mestery#topic ML221:46
sc68calthanks :)21:46
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SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: i do agree that there needs to be email follow up on the decisions made, however it helps to converge on design when multiple people are present at the same time in the meeting21:46
mesterySukhdev rkukura: Hi!21:46
Sukhdevmestery: Hi21:46
SukhdevThis was a short and fun week21:47
rkukuraSukhdev: Go ahead - I’ve been on vacation and am not caught up yet21:47
SukhdevWe have bunch of spec ready in the final stages -21:47
Sukhdevthanks to Edgar and Akihiro for jumping in and providing core coverage21:47
* mestery hopes rkukura had some fruity cocktails on vacation. :)21:47
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SukhdevI see lots of activity and hope to have few specs merged this week21:48
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SukhdevOther than that everything is on the meeting wiki21:48
Sukhdevthat is it - unless there are questions21:48
mesteryThanks Sukhdev!21:49
mestery#topic Group Based Policy21:49
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mesterySumitNaiksatam: Hi again21:49
SumitNaiksatammestery: hi21:49
SumitNaiksatamwe do have the datapatch patch is now for the first series21:49
mesterySumitNaiksatam: Great!21:50
SumitNaiksatamwe have also completed the model series with patches in for all the resources21:50
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: can talk to the datapath patch21:50
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rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: yes, the resource_mapping driver is the last in the first series and implements the (allow everything) datapath. Its still WIP, but allows the rest to be tested/understood hopefully.21:51
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enikanorov_SumitNaiksatam: so does this means everything is ready for end-to-end testing?21:51
nati_uenoSorry late21:52
enikanorov_nati_ueno: :D21:52
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SumitNaiksatamenikanorov_: i believe so, since the CLI patch is also in (this is with reference to the first series of patches comprising EP, EPG, L2/3_policy)21:52
enikanorov_ok, good21:52
SumitNaiksatamhappy to take questions, but other than that review comments have been addressed on the model in the first series21:52
SumitNaiksatammestery: thanks for the time to provide the update here21:53
mesterySumitNaiksatam: Thanks to you for the update.21:53
mesterySumitNaiksatam: But stay right here because ...21:53
mestery#topic FWaaS21:53
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mesterySumitNaiksatam: See what I mean? ;)21:53
SumitNaiksatammestery: sure21:53
SumitNaiksatami wanted to highlight the issue with supporting FWaaS on DVR21:53
SumitNaiksatamthis has been in discussion for some time now, however no clear solution has emerged21:54
mesterySumitNaiksatam: Yes, I've seen the ML thread on the same.21:54
SumitNaiksatami suspect this issue exisits for any services which requires connection tracking21:54
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SumitNaiksatamthe fwaas team has stepped up interaction with the DVR team on this front21:54
SumitNaiksatamlets see what we can achieve for juno21:55
SumitNaiksatamat this point its up in the air though21:55
salv-orlandoI don’t think anybody will be hanged if we just put in the documentation that DVR does not work with firewall for juno.21:55
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mesteryI was thinking the documentation thing is the likely answer for Juno as well.21:56
markmcclainsalv-orlando: that is true21:56
salv-orlandoperhaps somebody will be tortured, but nobody should be hanged21:56
SumitNaiksatamsalv-orlando: sure, however we would need to have path for the future21:56
mesterygiven the timelines and where we're at, but lets see what the team comes up with.21:56
SumitNaiksatamsalv-orlando: as long as we know what the technical solution is, we can figure out how we can make progress towards that in terms of milestones/releases21:56
SumitNaiksatamright now we dont have one21:57
salv-orlandoSumitNaiksatam: if this is something that might have impact on DVR before we merge the work currently under review, then that’s important juno-wise21:57
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SumitNaiksatamsalv-orlando: its a tough one, because i am not sure we want to delay the merging of DVR for this reason alone21:57
SumitNaiksatamsalv-orlando: that is partly the reason why we did not push back before, although we had noted that this issue exists21:58
salv-orlandoon my side, I’m 99% sure I don’t want to delay it because of this…21:58
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SumitNaiksatamsalv-orlando: i agree21:58
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carl_baldwincarl_baldwin: +121:58
salv-orlandobut I don’t think this discussion is relecant for the meeting21:58
SumitNaiksatamthe hope was that we would have evolved a solution by this time21:58
mesteryIf it comes to it, we'll document this.21:58
mesteryAnd with 2 minutes left ...21:59
mestery#topic Open Discussion21:59
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SumitNaiksatammestery: thanks!21:59
mesteryLooking forward to seeing those of you who make the trek to the upper midwest of the USA.21:59
salv-orlandoneutron full jobs - patches under review. 1 for nova, 1 for neutron21:59
* mestery notes we may have heat and humidity to share with you.21:59
mesterysalv-orlando: Awesome!21:59
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salv-orlandonova patch is blocked with a -2, looking with reviewers how they would like the issue to be addressed. The fix changes rest API behaviour so it’s understandable22:00
salv-orlandoneutron patch is an easy one. I don’t know how we missed that beforE:
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salv-orlandothat’s all. Once this two patches go in, the full job will be made voting22:00
mesterysalv-orlando: Yikes, that does seem obvious now, thanks for fixing that!22:01
mesteryAnd with that, thanks eveyrone!22:01
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