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HenryG | akamyshnikova, jlibosva: hi | 13:00 |
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akamyshnikova | hi! | 13:00 |
jlibosva | HenryG: hi | 13:00 |
jlibosva | hi | 13:00 |
jlibosva | to everyone :) | 13:00 |
HenryG | That's all we need today :) | 13:00 |
HenryG | #startmeeting neutron_db | 13:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 7 13:00:50 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_db' | 13:00 |
HenryG | salv-orlando will be joining late today. We may finish before he shows up! | 13:01 |
HenryG | I don't have much to talk about today, except get a status on the code. | 13:01 |
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HenryG | After that we can have open discussion for any other items. | 13:01 |
HenryG | #topic Code status | 13:01 |
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HenryG | I have some review links in the agenda. | 13:02 |
HenryG | Agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDB#Agenda | 13:02 |
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HenryG | So it seems the FK dependency error is solved? | 13:02 |
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akamyshnikova | yes :) | 13:03 |
HenryG | Very nice. Thanks! | 13:03 |
HenryG | The global requirements is approved and merging now! | 13:03 |
HenryG | I am a little unclear on the model freeze ... | 13:04 |
akamyshnikova | I check the script and in fact it is ready for reviewers. | 13:04 |
akamyshnikova | jlibosva did the great job with models I want to thank him for that! | 13:05 |
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HenryG | Yes, the freeze looks good, except ... | 13:05 |
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HenryG | I would prefer not to call the freeze module 'icehouse.py' | 13:06 |
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jlibosva | HenryG: I think icehouse should go away | 13:06 |
jlibosva | I mean the module :) | 13:06 |
akamyshnikova | There is a frozen.py that I used in script and head that I usedin testing | 13:07 |
HenryG | jlibosva: ah, that makes more sense now, thanks | 13:07 |
akamyshnikova | used in testing | 13:07 |
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jlibosva | I also got echo from marun that markmcclain had some suggestions. I wrote him an email this morning. I don't know anything specific. | 13:08 |
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markmcclain | jlibosva: right… I kicked around some ideas with marun | 13:09 |
HenryG | jlibosva: I can corner markmcclain later this week at the mid-cycle sprint. I will interrogate him. :) | 13:09 |
jlibosva | markmcclain: you can present ideas here if you have a spare minute :) | 13:09 |
markmcclain | HenryG: haha | 13:10 |
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markmcclain | jlibosva: we had kicked around the idea of how to avoid the need to duplicate so much code | 13:11 |
markmcclain | also the healing should be able to be run by operators multiple times right? | 13:12 |
HenryG | markmcclain: you mean the healing should not be constrained to a specific point in the migration timeline? | 13:14 |
markmcclain | for Juno was wonder if we should always heal last | 13:15 |
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markmcclain | I was planning to ping mike bayer and get his thoughts on this too | 13:15 |
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salv-orlando | I think we always said healing should be idempotent so that it could in theory be executed multiple times in the migration timeline. But I might be wrong, I tend of dream about things and then think they’re real. | 13:18 |
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jlibosva | I think you always need metadata object that db will be migrated to | 13:19 |
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akamyshnikova | For this moment it is running through db_healing migration once. | 13:20 |
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salv-orlando | ok so I was dreaming. | 13:21 |
salv-orlando | or to be more precise,I was thinking we were doing something different | 13:21 |
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salv-orlando | so healing will happen at a given point in the migration timeline, and that’s the only point where migrations will be healed. | 13:21 |
salv-orlando | is that right? | 13:21 |
salv-orlando | sorry “migrations will be healed” should have been “schema will be healed” | 13:22 |
HenryG | Currently that is the way the code is done, I think | 13:22 |
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salv-orlando | how many of you will be at the sprint this week? | 13:24 |
salv-orlando | I won’t | 13:24 |
HenryG | If it heals to the current models, whatever 'current' is, then it will break any migrations that happen between the previous schema and the current models. | 13:24 |
HenryG | At the sprint: HenryG markmcclain marun | 13:24 |
akamyshnikova | At this moment it is done in this way. What do mean about multiple times? like running db-manager --heal or what? | 13:24 |
akamyshnikova | HenryG, is right we need some frosen models to compare | 13:25 |
salv-orlando | what markmcclain was suggesting is that operators should have been able to run the healing multiple times. The uses cases are mostly corner cases. I think the rationale for having a healing migration which would do the delta with current models was to avoid the duplication which lead to writing a “frozen” snapshot of icehouse models. | 13:26 |
markmcclain | HenryG: you're correct about identifying ensure we run the correct set of migrations relative to the timeline | 13:26 |
salv-orlando | Still, I’m talking without knowning what I’m talking about. If you’ve already investigated this situation and concluded one must have a frozen version of models, than I will keep my mouth shut. | 13:27 |
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markmcclain | salv-orlando: from my standpoint the frozen models feel odd | 13:28 |
markmcclain | the duplicated code sets off a warning, but I don't have a technical solution that is better :) | 13:28 |
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jlibosva | salv-orlando: sorry if I don't understand - but what scheme is the destination? One containing all models in current code? | 13:29 |
salv-orlando | markmcclain: smae here. And just like you I don’t have a better technical solution at hand (so that’s why I’m saying I’m talking without knowing what I’m talking about) | 13:29 |
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salv-orlando | I was thinking od comparing the current DB schema against the current DB models at the instant where the healing migration is ran. Can you help me understnad why that’s not possible? | 13:31 |
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jlibosva | I think the schema containing all tables at custom migration timeline is unknown. | 13:32 |
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jlibosva | at custom point in migration timeline* | 13:32 |
akamyshnikova | it is possible but it will run create tables or change it. and then will run the migration that will fails trying to do the same | 13:32 |
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akamyshnikova | as this tables or changes will be in models | 13:33 |
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salv-orlando | jlibosva: unknown under the assumption of being able to run the migration offline, or even with online migrations? | 13:35 |
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jlibosva | salv-orlando: online | 13:35 |
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jlibosva | I think offline is not supported, right? | 13:35 |
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HenryG | One advantage of having the healing migration at a specific point in the timeline is that we can test it and ensure it works. If it is made more generic for any point in the timeline, some weird model or type usage might break it since we never tested against that. We would have to have some kind of gating test against all previous models every time a model change is made? | 13:36 |
salv-orlando | HenryG: ah you’re playing the testing wildcard! | 13:37 |
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salv-orlando | I don’t have any argument on this side, so I guess I have to give up | 13:38 |
salv-orlando | ;) | 13:38 |
jlibosva | salv-orlando: markmcclain btw there is an option to migrate to the latest https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102857/10/neutron/db/migration/models/head.py that excludes models copying | 13:38 |
HenryG | I think we need to hear what ideas markmcclain and marun are thinking of. | 13:38 |
markmcclain | HenryG: it's mainly me and not marun | 13:39 |
HenryG | jlibosva: what if someone adds a new module with a model? | 13:39 |
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jlibosva | HenryG: he must add the path to this module :] | 13:40 |
markmcclain | and basically that all kinds of warnings signs seem to be present that this approach may not be right | 13:40 |
markmcclain | I went on holiday right after talking with him, so don't really have alt tech proposal | 13:41 |
HenryG | My thought thus far has been one healing migration at a specific point in the timeline. So I may have been rather myopic about what we needed to do. But I am open to ideas. | 13:42 |
salv-orlando | let’s put aside the ability of running the migration multiple times. | 13:43 |
salv-orlando | this was a side-effect rather than the main reason for what markmcclain is suggesting | 13:43 |
markmcclain | agreed starting with once will be a huge step :) | 13:43 |
akamyshnikova | there is a change for review https://review.openstack.org/96438 You can suggest everything here in comments | 13:44 |
salv-orlando | I think when he say “warning signs” he’s talking about having two module with frozen db models state | 13:44 |
salv-orlando | one for the ‘head’ snapshot and one for the icehouse snapshot | 13:44 |
salv-orlando | but since I’m only assuming what markmcmclain is suggesting, I will defer to him… | 13:45 |
markmcclain | salv-orlando: right | 13:45 |
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jlibosva | oh yeah, that's a WIP. I left it there just in case. Once we agree where the healing will be performed, unnecessary models will be removed. | 13:46 |
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markmcclain | ok so left move forward with healing at a single point in the timeline | 13:47 |
markmcclain | it removes lots of complications | 13:47 |
akamyshnikova | I've got one question for open discussion | 13:47 |
markmcclain | that leaves the question of the proper way to freeze the models | 13:47 |
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HenryG | jlibosva: So we will remove icehouse.py and probably head.py then. Leaving just frozen.py | 13:47 |
akamyshnikova | head.py could be used in testing :) | 13:48 |
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HenryG | akamyshnikova: true. Let's discuss that in the review comments. | 13:48 |
HenryG | Thanks markmcclain and salv-orlando | 13:49 |
HenryG | #topic Open discussion | 13:49 |
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akamyshnikova | I've got one question. | 13:49 |
akamyshnikova | Just sync models with migrations shows the difference: one model uses ‘default’ parameter, but in migrations it is used ‘server_default’. https://review.openstack.org/82073 But there are a lot of usages of ‘default’ is used in both models and migrations. | 13:49 |
akamyshnikova | The thing is: if we use ‘default’, not ‘server_default’ we don’t have any default value in database. Do we need default value in db or not? | 13:49 |
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akamyshnikova | markmcclain, salv-orlando I want to know your opinion about this | 13:50 |
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HenryG | Based on problems encountered by colleagues when testing other Neutron features, I would say yes. | 13:51 |
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salv-orlando | akamyshnikova: I’m trying to dig deep in my memory | 13:52 |
salv-orlando | there was discussion a lot of time ago about default and server_default | 13:52 |
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salv-orlando | do I remember correctly that in order to ensure the default is set in the db schema for all backends supported by openstack you _must_ use server_default? | 13:53 |
akamyshnikova | if you want to have default value in db you should use server_default | 13:54 |
salv-orlando | ok then it’s a no brainer. Using default is just a bug | 13:54 |
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akamyshnikova | So we need to replace all default with server_default? | 13:55 |
HenryG | Do we need to fix all the 'default' bugs before healing? | 13:55 |
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akamyshnikova | I think that may be we should add correct values in frozen and then after heal migration change all models | 13:56 |
akamyshnikova | as if we change now we should write also migrations for this | 13:57 |
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akamyshnikova | salv-orlando, what do think about my suggestion? does it sound ok? | 13:58 |
HenryG | akamyshnikova: hmmm. I think it would actually be better to fix before healing. Yes, a migration is needed, but that should not be a problem. | 13:58 |
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akamyshnikova | HenryG, ok, I'll do that :) | 13:59 |
salv-orlando | I’m not sure relying on the healing process is what we want to do. It is true that it’s always a problem of models diverging with schema | 13:59 |
HenryG | salv-orlando: yes, the healing's primary function should be to add missing tables. | 14:00 |
salv-orlando | but here we have a situation were the divergence will become evident if you rely on schema autogeneration, which I wish we’ll remove as soon a as possible too. | 14:00 |
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akamyshnikova | salv-orlando, ok, thanks! I will do this. I just want to be sure that is better to do | 14:01 |
HenryG | salv-orlando: This week I plan to rebase the removal of auto-gen on the healing change, so it can go in soon after. | 14:02 |
salv-orlando | cool | 14:02 |
HenryG | We are out of time. Any other questions? | 14:03 |
akamyshnikova | no, I don't have any | 14:03 |
HenryG | Quick note on trivial change for devstack: https://review.openstack.org/105059 | 14:03 |
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HenryG | Not sure if it is actually needed. Please take a look. | 14:04 |
HenryG | Place your comments, if any, in the review. | 14:04 |
HenryG | Thanks everyone! | 14:04 |
HenryG | #endmeeting | 14:04 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 7 14:04:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:04 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-07-07-13.00.html | 14:04 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-07-07-13.00.txt | 14:04 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-07-07-13.00.log.html | 14:04 |
akamyshnikova | thanks! bye! | 14:04 |
jlibosva | thanks, bye | 14:05 |
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salv-orlando | adieu | 14:07 |
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rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 7 16:00:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
rakhmerov | hello | 16:00 |
akuznetsova | hi | 16:00 |
dzimine | Hi there! | 16:00 |
xazel | hey | 16:00 |
rakhmerov | ok, let's get started | 16:01 |
rakhmerov | agenda as usually at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MistralAgenda | 16:01 |
rakhmerov | #topic Review previous AIs | 16:02 |
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rakhmerov | 1. ACTION: rakhmerov, skype Kirill on Tue and work with him on integrating mistral-demo examples into mistral-extra | 16:02 |
m4dcoder | hi | 16:02 |
rakhmerov | hey | 16:02 |
bhavenst | hi | 16:02 |
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rakhmerov | hey Brian, nice to see you here | 16:02 |
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bhavenst | thanks | 16:03 |
rakhmerov | xazel, we skyped many times last week but I'm not actually sure if we still need to do something on that AI | 16:03 |
rakhmerov | ? | 16:03 |
rakhmerov | :) | 16:03 |
xazel | we haven't fully integrated it since we had some problems with oslo.messaging. Guess we should get back to it after i finish with my current assignment. | 16:04 |
rakhmerov | bhavenst, sorry for misspelling your name, I believe the correct one is Bryan? | 16:04 |
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rakhmerov | xazel, ok, makes sense | 16:05 |
bhavenst | Yep, Bryan, but no problem at all. | 16:05 |
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rakhmerov | ok ) | 16:05 |
rakhmerov | 2. ACTION: rakhmerov, get in touch with Nastya and figure out the problem with Mistral installation | 16:05 |
rakhmerov | it's done | 16:05 |
akuznetsova | yes | 16:05 |
rakhmerov | #topic Current status (quickly by team members) | 16:05 |
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xazel | Spent this week digging through engine-executor protocol. Half way through: managed to limit the amount of data executor need to know and was able to pass one task end-to-end, but it would require a lot of polishing and review. | 16:06 |
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rakhmerov | my status is: A lot of communication with Kirill on Engine/Executor stuff, read tons of materials on workflows and workflow engines, started redesigning Mistral Engine, reviews, fixed several bugs | 16:07 |
xazel | came prepared today =) | 16:07 |
rakhmerov | cool :) | 16:07 |
rakhmerov | it felt like that | 16:07 |
rakhmerov | ok, guys? | 16:07 |
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dzimine | xazel can you put your work up on review as work in progress for earyl feedback? | 16:07 |
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dzimine | on my side: only reviews and some little input to Renat on workflow requirements. | 16:08 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:08 |
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xazel | dzimine, sure, I'll need one more day to actually figure out what stuff is absolutely essential. Expect WIP in a next couple of days. | 16:08 |
m4dcoder | i looked at bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1331373 several times. i'm not able to reproduce the bug. | 16:08 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1331373 in mistral "greenlet transport plug is not always loading" [High,New] | 16:08 |
akuznetsova | I created blueprint for mistral-documentation and now I work on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-mistralclient-integration-tests. I uploaded first patch set | 16:08 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:09 |
rakhmerov | guys, any roadblocks? | 16:09 |
rakhmerov | did you get stuck with anything? | 16:09 |
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akuznetsova | I have a little problem with devstack gate job | 16:10 |
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rakhmerov | m4dcoder, ok, I'm kind of worried about this bug but I'd suggest you stop looking at it for now since a lot of things are going to change anyway and it may get fixed on its own | 16:11 |
rakhmerov | akuznetsova, what kind of problem? | 16:11 |
m4dcoder | ok. | 16:11 |
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akuznetsova | I am not sure how to configure it | 16:12 |
dzimine | member:akuznetsova: can you pls link etherpad with test plan/discussion to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-mistralclient-integration-tests. | 16:12 |
rakhmerov | ok, do you think it makes sense discuss it separately? | 16:12 |
akuznetsova | rakhmerov, yes | 16:12 |
akuznetsova | dzimine, yes, wait a sec | 16:13 |
rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, communicate to akuznetsova on devstack gate job configuration problem | 16:13 |
akuznetsova | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MistralTests | 16:13 |
dzimine | I mean link it from the blueprint. | 16:13 |
rakhmerov | yes, you can do it later | 16:14 |
akuznetsova | ok | 16:14 |
dzimine | I just did it. | 16:14 |
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rakhmerov | bhavenst, do you wanna discuss something now? Maybe you have some general/specific questions looking for their answers or something? | 16:15 |
akuznetsova | dzimine, thanks | 16:15 |
rakhmerov | or if it's more comfortable for you we can have a separate meeting | 16:15 |
bhavenst | I don't really have any specific questions at this point I don't think. Yeah, we can discuss offline and see what the best place to start is considering the current activities.. | 16:16 |
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rakhmerov | ok, sounds good | 16:16 |
rakhmerov | I'll shoot an email with a few suggested times for the meeting | 16:16 |
bhavenst | great | 16:16 |
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rakhmerov | but pls feel free to ask questions (or express your opinion) anytime | 16:17 |
rakhmerov | ok, let's move on | 16:17 |
bhavenst | sure | 16:17 |
rakhmerov | #topic Discuss some of questions on the current engine/executor design | 16:17 |
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rakhmerov | dzimine, m4dcoder and others, I have a couple of questions on the current engine design | 16:18 |
dzimine | fire! | 16:18 |
rakhmerov | for example | 16:18 |
rakhmerov | I'm not really sure why we now configure engine and executor as plugins now? | 16:18 |
rakhmerov | m4dcoder, what's the value of this design decision? | 16:19 |
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rakhmerov | is it just for assumed flexibility or there are some strong reasons why we have it | 16:19 |
rakhmerov | ? | 16:19 |
m4dcoder | i designed that way to allow flexibility for different engine implementations | 16:19 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:20 |
rakhmerov | I just started digging it deeply and it all looks somewhat confusing to me | 16:20 |
rakhmerov | it feels like we'll never have alternative implementations :) | 16:20 |
rakhmerov | at least I don't really see why it may be needed now | 16:20 |
rakhmerov | previously we had local and distributed engine and that made sense but that's in the past | 16:21 |
rakhmerov | and the only difference is just transport | 16:21 |
rakhmerov | what do you think? | 16:21 |
rakhmerov | dzimine, do you see why we may want to have multiple engine implementations? | 16:22 |
dzimine | no, I don’t | 16:22 |
rakhmerov | it's not a major issue but anyway, I'm trying to refine all the project structure etc. and stumbled on that | 16:22 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:22 |
dzimine | currently I think if anything, it will be an ‘engine library’ that is changable/pluggable. | 16:22 |
xazel | rakhmerov, in my current implementation both default.executor and default.engine is just a few lines... I doubt we need this modular structure atm | 16:22 |
rakhmerov | few lines?? How come? | 16:23 |
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xazel | executer doesn't do much work now, just creates an action and runs it and default.engine was tiny even before that | 16:24 |
rakhmerov | dzimine, commenting what you said about engine library.. Yes, I keep that in mind. And there's one more thing: declarative vs imperative workflows but I came to a conclusion it shouldn't be a different engine implementation | 16:25 |
rakhmerov | it should be flexible on a different level | 16:25 |
rakhmerov | inside the engine | 16:25 |
rakhmerov | xazel, ok | 16:26 |
dzimine | declarative vs imperative is an attribute of a workflow, so it’s a diff level indieed. | 16:26 |
rakhmerov | executor will do more once we implement some advanced things as parallellism | 16:26 |
rakhmerov | dzimine, yes, right | 16:26 |
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rakhmerov | so that actually was my next question I wanted to discuss | 16:26 |
rakhmerov | so that's ok | 16:27 |
rakhmerov | one more question/suggestion | 16:27 |
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rakhmerov | I'd like to suggest I don't write tons of design documents for the work I'm doing now ) | 16:27 |
rakhmerov | not because I'm lazy (which is partially true :) ), but because most of this work is a research | 16:28 |
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rakhmerov | and it seems to be much more productive to look at the existing code and code something up write in python | 16:28 |
m4dcoder | rakhmerov: can you clarify declarative vs. imperative workflow? i'm not following. must have missed a few design sessions... | 16:28 |
rakhmerov | so my suggestion is just to start commiting changes with all necessary comments | 16:29 |
dzimine | declarative is defining dependencies via ‘require’ | 16:29 |
dzimine | imperative is ‘on-success/on-error' | 16:29 |
rakhmerov | m4dcoder, "Dependency based model" (using "requires") vs "Direct transitions" (using on-success, on-error) | 16:29 |
dzimine | there’s more precise terms | 16:29 |
rakhmerov | yep | 16:29 |
m4dcoder | thanks! | 16:29 |
rakhmerov | just so you are aware: we made a decision some time ago to explicitly separate these two models and not to mix them within the same workflow | 16:30 |
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m4dcoder | but we will support both types? | 16:31 |
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rakhmerov | but at the same time we still will be able to build combinations of these two workflow types using workflow cross references (one workflow will be able to call another workflow) | 16:31 |
dzimine | member:rakhmerov: how do you plan to share your thinking? I am cool with you not writing the extensive docs, btw. | 16:31 |
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rakhmerov | yes, we will | 16:31 |
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akuznetsova | rakhmerov, how do you what to separate them? using tag or how? | 16:31 |
dzimine | it will be one of a workflow attributes. | 16:32 |
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rakhmerov | dzimine, I'd suggest I just write huge commit message to make my intentions 100% clear | 16:32 |
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rakhmerov | as well as comments in the code itself | 16:32 |
rakhmerov | seriously, I just feel that it will slow me down significantly if I get into writing/rewriting all these docs | 16:33 |
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rakhmerov | it's been proved I think many times that any docs will become stale very quickly | 16:33 |
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rakhmerov | akuznetsova, yes, just a workflow attribute | 16:34 |
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rakhmerov | so let's try and see how that goes, ok? | 16:34 |
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rakhmerov | if we see it's not ok for the team I'll be doing it in a more classic way | 16:35 |
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rakhmerov | ok, let's move forward | 16:36 |
xazel | rakhmerov, one day we would need to start populating doc folder anyway. I'm not suggesting we start now, but if your commit message happen to be bigger than you anticipating, you should probably place it there | 16:36 |
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rakhmerov | xazel, you're 100% true, I'm just talking about the period when nearly nothing is really clear and making docs seems to be even more challengable than writing sketches in the code | 16:37 |
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m4dcoder | rakhmerov: can you elaborate when you mentioned that you concluded we don't need separate engine implementation for declarative vs. imperative? wouldn't separating the out as different engine plugins be cleaner? also, where does the taskflow integration fit into the engine changes we are currently making? | 16:37 |
rakhmerov | it, of course, doesn't cancel the need to write docs eventually | 16:37 |
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dzimine | the taskflow integration fits at the library level. | 16:38 |
xazel | m4dcoder, instead of making engine-executor pluggable, we would need to do it with workflow types | 16:38 |
rakhmerov | m4dcoder, so as far as engine structure and different workflow types... | 16:38 |
dzimine | sorry to jump ahead of rakhmerov :) | 16:38 |
rakhmerov | I see that the engine should be the same for these types | 16:38 |
rakhmerov | because it'll contain lots of common things | 16:39 |
rakhmerov | db access, threading, notifications etc etc | 16:39 |
rakhmerov | validation | 16:39 |
dzimine | I see the types of workflow, just like in taskflow there’s a parallel, sequence, and directed graph. | 16:39 |
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rakhmerov | yes | 16:40 |
rakhmerov | exactly | 16:40 |
dzimine | and different handlers with different control-flow rules can map to eacy type. | 16:40 |
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rakhmerov | it's basically a State Design Pattern | 16:40 |
rakhmerov | yes | 16:40 |
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rakhmerov | so, in other words, this flexibility should be made on a different arch level | 16:40 |
rakhmerov | as a part of engine implementation | 16:40 |
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dzimine | or a “Strategy” pattern may be. | 16:41 |
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rakhmerov | or Strategy, yes | 16:41 |
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m4dcoder | makes sense. thanks for the clarifications. | 16:41 |
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rakhmerov | State Pattern basically says "if we have this state, our logic will be like this. If we have that state, our logic will be like that" | 16:42 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:42 |
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rakhmerov | #topic Further plans | 16:42 |
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rakhmerov | guys, I'd suggest you provide some estimates on what you're planning to do till the next meeting | 16:43 |
rakhmerov | your plans | 16:43 |
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xazel | finish up with engine-executor protocol | 16:44 |
rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov plans is to finish with the overall engine structure (taking the new requirements into account like multiple workflows, workflow/action polymorphism, cross references etc.) | 16:44 |
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rakhmerov | #action xazel, try to finish up with engine-executor protocol | 16:44 |
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akuznetsova | continue to work with python-mistralclient tests | 16:45 |
xazel | =) | 16:45 |
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xazel | good point | 16:45 |
rakhmerov | akuznetsova, what are you planning to achieve? :) | 16:45 |
rakhmerov | xazel, yes ) | 16:45 |
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akuznetsova | cover all client methods and to figure out how to configure gate job | 16:46 |
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rakhmerov | #action akuznetsova, cover all client methods and figure out how to configure gate job | 16:46 |
dzimine | member:akuznetsova what do you think of using python-client in integration tests and thus testing it? | 16:47 |
rakhmerov | m4dcoder, did you have the only bug to work on? | 16:47 |
m4dcoder | yes. | 16:47 |
rakhmerov | dzimine, yes, that's what she started working on | 16:47 |
akuznetsova | dzimine, do you mean in api integration tests? | 16:47 |
dzimine | don’t have prescription where exactly | 16:48 |
rakhmerov | m4dcoder, ok, if you don't mind can I ask you questions about your code if any? | 16:48 |
m4dcoder | np | 16:48 |
rakhmerov | dzimine, akuznetsova, you're at the same page :) | 16:48 |
dzimine | just to use python-mistralclient against runnign instance of mistral will give us both client testing and client-server integration | 16:48 |
rakhmerov | Nastya basically started doing what you mean Dmitri ) | 16:49 |
dzimine | ok, ok :) | 16:49 |
rakhmerov | :) | 16:49 |
rakhmerov | ok, thanks | 16:49 |
akuznetsova | ) | 16:49 |
rakhmerov | #topic Open discussion | 16:49 |
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rakhmerov | anything else guys? | 16:49 |
rakhmerov | that you wanted to discuss | 16:50 |
rakhmerov | I'm out of ammo for today, too many unshaped thoughts in my head | 16:50 |
rakhmerov | so, let's finish then? | 16:51 |
rakhmerov | waiting 30 more seconds... | 16:51 |
rakhmerov | kind of last call ) | 16:51 |
rakhmerov | alright, thanks to everyone! Have a good week ) | 16:52 |
m4dcoder | thanks! bye. | 16:52 |
rakhmerov | bye | 16:52 |
akuznetsova | bye) | 16:52 |
xazel | thanks! | 16:52 |
rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 7 16:52:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-07-07-16.00.html | 16:52 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-07-07-16.00.txt | 16:52 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-07-07-16.00.log.html | 16:52 |
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sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 7 17:00:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:00 |
sarob | Roll | 17:00 |
matjazp | hi | 17:00 |
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Zucan | Hi (Scott Adkins). Megan is trying to join | 17:01 |
sarob | Hi | 17:01 |
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matjazp | hello Zucan | 17:02 |
dguitarbite | hello | 17:02 |
sarob | Hi all | 17:02 |
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sarob | #topic stable team update | 17:03 |
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dguitarbite | 1. Major updates to the repository structure as per the given blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/+spec/separate-folders-for-books | 17:03 |
dguitarbite | 2. Kickstarted basic-install-guide https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-install-guide | 17:04 |
Fthamura | I am in | 17:04 |
* dguitarbite waves | 17:04 | |
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Fthamura | Any task for me? | 17:05 |
dguitarbite | we need to make sure that reviewers are consistently reviewing over the next two weeks till we hit Juno2 (or Juno1?) | 17:05 |
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dguitarbite | to push the basic-install-guide content without much delay | 17:05 |
sarob | 26 jun juno-2 | 17:06 |
dguitarbite | sarob: thanks | 17:06 |
dguitarbite | comcast team there? | 17:06 |
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Zucan | Comcast: yes, we are here... I am helping Megan, looks like she is on now. | 17:08 |
Zucan | sorry. | 17:08 |
dguitarbite | Zucan: kool | 17:08 |
matjazp | sarob: 26 july, not june? | 17:08 |
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sarob | Oops 26jul | 17:08 |
dguitarbite | Juno2: July 26th | 17:09 |
dguitarbite | Zucan: we need to collaborate a lot more to get basic install guides section running | 17:09 |
Zucan | Understood. | 17:09 |
dguitarbite | we are trying to finish it before July 26th | 17:09 |
Zucan | Yeah, that time is quickly coming. | 17:09 |
dguitarbite | can you guys give some time on this ? | 17:09 |
MeganR | Let's schedule a meeting for tomorrow or Wed to review in more detail | 17:09 |
dguitarbite | basically port ideas here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-install-guide | 17:10 |
dguitarbite | tomorrow sounds good | 17:10 |
MeganR | I added some information there earlier | 17:10 |
sarob | I want assoc and oper guides to be stable by Juno m3 | 17:10 |
dguitarbite | MeganR: Yes, I believe content in green | 17:10 |
dguitarbite | sarob: there is one issue with that | 17:10 |
sarob | And plan for Juno stable soon | 17:10 |
sarob | Yup | 17:11 |
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dguitarbite | do you expect Swift's install section to be ready ? | 17:11 |
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dguitarbite | the major issue with Swift is that it may not work with VirtualBox multi-node (I need to test it properly) | 17:11 |
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dguitarbite | need lot of work to validate and come up with clean and simple set of instructions for complete OpenStack (nova, neutron etc.) + swift running on training-guide's labs (on virtualbox) with single and multi node | 17:12 |
sarob | Should doc prob as bug | 17:12 |
sarob | So other team members can share workload | 17:12 |
dguitarbite | sarob: Nope, swift will work. We need to make it work on Training Labs (VirtualBox VMs) | 17:13 |
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dguitarbite | with OpenStack completely running | 17:13 |
dguitarbite | which is something I have not tested properly | 17:13 |
sarob | You are on the right track with the bp | 17:14 |
sarob | And documenting the work | 17:14 |
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dguitarbite | which bp? | 17:14 |
sarob | The two you just ref | 17:15 |
Fthamura_ | Any url for virtual box vm, that I can download? | 17:15 |
dguitarbite | yes | 17:15 |
Fthamura_ | Any min requirement to start, so I can d have same spec with all of you? | 17:15 |
dguitarbite | can we put Swift after Juno2? | 17:15 |
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dguitarbite | Zucan, MeganR: Can we schedule meeting tommorow? I am on IST (India Std. Time). | 17:16 |
sarob | You tell me what you can do | 17:16 |
MeganR | Certainly | 17:16 |
* notmyname sees "swift" and lurks | 17:16 | |
sarob | We the people you have | 17:16 |
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dguitarbite | sarob: I doubt if Swift can be used for Training Labs, but we can still have install commands for it and put a note that it should be done on actual servers | 17:17 |
dguitarbite | does that sound good? | 17:17 |
sarob | I can push for more help to move the dates | 17:17 |
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sarob | For now okay | 17:18 |
dguitarbite | hmm, can anyone take the responsibility for Training Labs part? | 17:18 |
notmyname | dguitarbite: swift on virtual box with vagrant: https://github.com/swiftstack/vagrant-swift-all-in-one <-- does this help anything? | 17:18 |
dguitarbite | notmyname: the problem is to deliver Swift with other services Nova, Neutron etc. | 17:18 |
dguitarbite | iSCSI starts freaking out on second level virtualization | 17:19 |
notmyname | ok. let me know if I can answer any questions or point in the right direction | 17:19 |
dguitarbite | and using loop devices for emulating multiple hdd's would make it a nightmare | 17:19 |
dguitarbite | notmyname: I need to get it tested | 17:19 |
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dguitarbite | like use VirtualBox Single and Multi Node with complete OpenStack (which is current Training Labs) + Swift | 17:20 |
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sarob | I'm good with workarounds | 17:20 |
matjazp | dguitarbite: maybe notmyname can test it with swift and report back? | 17:20 |
sarob | Just make sure the workaround is documented | 17:20 |
Fthamura_ | All, are any discussion of this training lab also in doc ml? | 17:21 |
dguitarbite | matjazp: sounds good | 17:21 |
dguitarbite | notmyname: can you test it out? | 17:21 |
notmyname | matjazp: dguitarbite: I don't really have much context here. I don't know what "it" is. | 17:21 |
notmyname | send me an email about it? | 17:21 |
notmyname | me@not.mn | 17:21 |
dguitarbite | notmyname: I can help you get started | 17:21 |
sarob | Thx for pitching in notmyname | 17:22 |
dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite help notmyname with Training-Labs + Swift : email : me@not.mn | 17:22 |
dguitarbite | notmyname: thank you | 17:22 |
matjazp | notmyname: it= Training labs scripts that build test OpenStack instalation | 17:22 |
dguitarbite | matjazp: that will be step 2 | 17:22 |
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notmyname | heh. I haven't done anything yet :-) | 17:23 |
dguitarbite | first we need to do it manually, get the notes and automate it via. training labs | 17:23 |
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matjazp | dguitarbite: hmmm... I was showing swift + other parts of openstack with devstack only on my trainings | 17:24 |
sarob | Notmyname right you are | 17:24 |
dguitarbite | matjazp: does it work properly? | 17:25 |
* sarob you honor the code yo | 17:25 | |
dguitarbite | matjazp: also Training-Labs installs OpenStack services were as DevStack runs them manually from the repositories | 17:26 |
matjazp | dguitarbite: yes, as far as I can remember.. but it was not a "production" swift version (eg. just with one replica, etc...) | 17:26 |
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dguitarbite | there is a lot of difference | 17:26 |
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sarob | We need to move on | 17:26 |
dguitarbite | sarob: I think we should move to other topics, we can discuss this later on on #openstack-doc channel | 17:26 |
notmyname | that's ok if you're just looking for an "API target" thing. one replica, one server, etc is fine :-) | 17:26 |
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matjazp | dguitarbite: notmyname; yes, for trainings.. it was perfect that way... not so demanding on hw | 17:27 |
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sarob | #action Dguitarbite plan for stable features by jm2, jm3 with bp, bug targeted | 17:28 |
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sarob | Moving on | 17:28 |
sarob | #topic testing team update | 17:28 |
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matjazp | I have two things to discuss | 17:28 |
dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite MeganR Zucan (comcast team) meeting Tuesday Jul08 for basic-install-guide to target Juno2 | 17:29 |
matjazp | one... oficial docs-specs repo is up... but docs team is pushing for bp=big change, trainings team is more inclined for bp=smaller task | 17:29 |
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sarob | Yup | 17:30 |
matjazp | so will we be using it differently? | 17:30 |
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sarob | It's a grey area what's big or small reading annegentle def | 17:31 |
matjazp | ok then.. I'll commit a a spec and see what happens ;) | 17:31 |
sarob | We have a lot a work that req what I would call big changes | 17:32 |
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matjazp | another issue: slides with landslide (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100999/) | 17:32 |
sarob | Training team should be on the spec mostly anyway | 17:32 |
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sarob | Matjazp so do we want to just go forward with supporting landslide? | 17:33 |
matjazp | I looked at it... and have few issues to discuss | 17:33 |
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sarob | Matjazp oscon is soon | 17:33 |
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matjazp | sarob: yes, I'm ok with it... but as I know my colleagues, they are used to PPTs (academics that is) | 17:33 |
sarob | It would be great to have the material merged by the | 17:34 |
sarob | Then | 17:34 |
matjazp | we should at least have slides in PDF | 17:34 |
sarob | Matjazp http doesn't work? | 17:34 |
matjazp | for that, we need PrinceXML (==$$$) | 17:34 |
sarob | Matjazp only HTML to PDF option? | 17:35 |
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matjazp | landslide has support for PDFs through PrinceXML | 17:35 |
Fthamura_ | +1 for put put edition | 17:35 |
matjazp | ..and.. theres a translation issue (see Toms comments on review) | 17:35 |
Fthamura_ | Ppt, sorry typo | 17:36 |
sarob | Matjazp translation I think is a separate issu | 17:36 |
sarob | Issue | 17:36 |
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matjazp | sarob: well... yes and no | 17:36 |
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matjazp | sarob: but for now, I agree.. lets just push review and start producing english version, and leave i18n for later? | 17:37 |
sarob | Matjazp agree. | 17:37 |
sarob | Matjazp I still want a plan for languages support for jm3 from infra | 17:38 |
matjazp | but can a tool support be developed latter? we NEED PDFs... PPTs are another issue (and I have no idea how to translate landslide to PPTs) | 17:38 |
matjazp | sarob: shoudl we vote on landslide issue? +1 for pushing as is? | 17:39 |
dguitarbite | I would like to suggest | 17:39 |
sarob | Matjazp sure | 17:39 |
sarob | Pls do | 17:39 |
dguitarbite | that the slides can be delivered via. HTML | 17:39 |
dguitarbite | like Slideshare/slidedeck | 17:39 |
dguitarbite | while the content is in XML | 17:40 |
dguitarbite | it would be nightmare for translation | 17:40 |
dguitarbite | already we have requests multiple languages | 17:40 |
dguitarbite | *for | 17:40 |
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dguitarbite | RST kind of defies/makes it difficult the 'Ubiquitous' part | 17:40 |
matjazp | dguitarbite: trainers usuallly modify slides | 17:40 |
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sarob | Let's start with the lowest bar to hop | 17:41 |
sarob | We have content | 17:41 |
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sarob | In rst using landslide | 17:41 |
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sarob | We either need to make met gable as is | 17:42 |
sarob | Or have a plan of what to do with it | 17:42 |
matjazp | sarob: content? youre talking about upstream univ? | 17:42 |
sarob | I hear good ideas but no plan | 17:42 |
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sarob | Yes | 17:43 |
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sarob | The landslide content is a version of the oper and Dev guides | 17:43 |
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sarob | As bootcamp | 17:43 |
sarob | It's been field tested and will be continued to be improved | 17:44 |
Fthamura_ | I am working with boot camp here.. | 17:44 |
sarob | Let's make use of this opportunity | 17:44 |
matjazp | sarob: true... if I see correctly on review... core team voted with +1's for going with landslide.. so we push as and deal with problems later? | 17:44 |
matjazp | push as is | 17:45 |
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dguitarbite | I agree with sarob | 17:45 |
sarob | Dguitarbite agreed? | 17:45 |
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dguitarbite | we need to have alteast something to start with | 17:46 |
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dguitarbite | sarob: yes +1 | 17:46 |
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sarob | Excellent. I'll clean up the patch and merge it | 17:46 |
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matjazp | sarob: cool | 17:46 |
sarob | Let's move on | 17:46 |
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sarob | #infra team update | 17:47 |
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Fthamura_ | Infra: can we make Intel NUC as micro lab, inspired from Ubuntu box, but we create our own | 17:48 |
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matjazp | #action sarob cleans up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100999/ and merge it | 17:48 |
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sarob | Language build support by jm3. Can a get a bp/spec on this? | 17:49 |
sarob | Matjazp thx | 17:49 |
matjazp | sarob: youre talking about landslide i18n or what? | 17:49 |
dguitarbite | rluethi is busy | 17:49 |
sarob | Matjazp both | 17:50 |
dguitarbite | infra is waiting for basic-install-guide's rough draft to validate our in-house openstack scripts | 17:50 |
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sarob | Dguitarbite okay will push np discussion to next week | 17:50 |
dguitarbite | yep | 17:50 |
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sarob | I'll push Dev team till next week | 17:51 |
sarob | #topic any other business | 17:51 |
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matjazp | so we're done? | 17:52 |
sarob | Our stats are up | 17:52 |
dguitarbite | sarob: where do you refer the stats? | 17:53 |
sarob | Over last 30 days | 17:53 |
* annegent_ is late but scrolling back | 17:53 | |
sarob | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/training-guides/30 | 17:53 |
sarob | 8.8 reviews per day | 17:54 |
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sarob | It looks good | 17:55 |
sarob | Keep up the good work people | 17:55 |
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sarob | I'm very pleased with the progress we are making | 17:56 |
sarob | And the new team members contribution | 17:56 |
sarob | Any last words? | 17:56 |
dguitarbite | sarob: its gonna increase | 17:56 |
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dguitarbite | I am just warming up ;) | 17:57 |
matjazp | annegent_: you have anything for us? | 17:57 |
sarob | Dguitarbite exxxccccelent | 17:57 |
annegent_ | I talked to a trainer here at Rackspace and want to encourage them to contribute upstream | 17:57 |
Fthamura_ | Hope my name in the future.. Sorry no contribution yet | 17:57 |
annegent_ | they have ansible scripts for their labs, would that be interesting to this group? | 17:57 |
dguitarbite | annegent_: yes | 17:58 |
matjazp | annegent_: sure | 17:58 |
dguitarbite | we could start collaborating with them | 17:58 |
annegent_ | I'll see what I can do to encourage upstream then | 17:58 |
dguitarbite | it would be really valuable for the Architect guide for sure | 17:58 |
sarob | Great! | 17:58 |
annegent_ | didn't want to have your team take on another technology if there's not interest | 17:58 |
dguitarbite | I would like to see Ansible, Puppet, Chef for Architect guide | 17:59 |
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sarob | Time is up. | 17:59 |
sarob | Thx all | 17:59 |
matjazp | bye | 17:59 |
MeganR | Bye | 17:59 |
Zucan | Have a great week | 17:59 |
sarob | See you on #openstack-doc | 17:59 |
sarob | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 7 18:00:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-07-07-17.00.html | 18:00 |
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openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-07-07-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-07-07-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 7 18:00:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:00 |
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krtaylor | Hi everyone | 18:00 |
krtaylor | Who is here for third-party meeting? | 18:01 |
Svedrin | I am :) | 18:01 |
krtaylor | Svedrin, thanks, I saw the agenda item | 18:01 |
sweston | I ... | 18:01 |
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ArxCruz | Me | 18:01 |
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adalbas | I | 18:01 |
krtaylor | cool! | 18:01 |
krtaylor | so let's get started then | 18:01 |
krtaylor | here is the agenda: | 18:02 |
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krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:02 |
krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:02 |
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krtaylor | a reminder for the mission | 18:02 |
krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:02 |
fawadkhaliq | hello all! | 18:03 |
krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:03 |
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krtaylor | hello | 18:03 |
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krtaylor | we had 3 actions from last week | 18:03 |
krtaylor | one was mine for a patch for suggestions for how to meet requirements | 18:04 |
krtaylor | I did not get that done, due to the holiday in the US | 18:04 |
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krtaylor | the other was kevinbenton starting the thread for time to complete testing | 18:05 |
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krtaylor | that is done and getting good discussion in ml | 18:05 |
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krtaylor | a reminder to everyone, please tag discussions [third-party] when posting to openstack-dev ml | 18:06 |
sweston | krtaylor: is there a patch already created in Gerrit for the documentation? | 18:06 |
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krtaylor | sweston, there are the two patches anteaya has, but I have not created one yet for my action | 18:06 |
krtaylor | there was another action, though | 18:07 |
sweston | krtaylor: ok, just checking to make sure I have the right search parameters :-) | 18:07 |
krtaylor | oh, communicate cinder and neutron timelines | 18:07 |
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krtaylor | sweston, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/config+branch:master+topic:third-party,n,z | 18:07 |
krtaylor | hm | 18:08 |
krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/config+branch:master+topic:third-party,n,z | 18:08 |
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krtaylor | all, please review these patches | 18:08 |
krtaylor | the time line communication action was not assigned, did that come up in cinder and neutron weekly meetings? | 18:08 |
krtaylor | do we have cinder and neutron represented? | 18:09 |
krtaylor | sweston, you are neutron right? | 18:09 |
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krtaylor | well, I'll take an action to make sure that happens this week | 18:10 |
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sweston | krtaylor: I started a discussion with anteaya | 18:10 |
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sweston | krtaylor: I need to speak with her to follow up on the next steps | 18:10 |
krtaylor | #action krtaylor to verify communication of cinder and neutron time lines | 18:11 |
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sweston | krtaylor: so I can take that one | 18:11 |
krtaylor | sweston, yes, please do | 18:11 |
krtaylor | I think that covers previous week's items | 18:11 |
krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 18:12 |
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krtaylor | does anyone have any announcements? | 18:12 |
sweston | krtaylor: awesome, can you post a new action | 18:12 |
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sweston | krtaylor: so it is reflected in the minutes? | 18:12 |
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krtaylor | sweston, yes, and I assigned it so I'll make sure it gets done to both projects | 18:13 |
sweston | krtaylor: ok, great. thanks. | 18:13 |
krtaylor | sweston, oh, for you | 18:13 |
krtaylor | yes | 18:13 |
sweston | krtaylor: yes | 18:13 |
krtaylor | #action sweston to communicate timelines | 18:13 |
krtaylor | ok, lets move on | 18:13 |
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krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program Items | 18:14 |
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krtaylor | any OpenStack program items? | 18:14 |
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krtaylor | news from projects? | 18:14 |
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krtaylor | well, I posted this earlier | 18:14 |
krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/config+branch:master+topic:third-party,n,z | 18:14 |
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krtaylor | please review these patches, let get them done, I'll ping anteaya when she is back to get them closed out | 18:15 |
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sweston | ok | 18:15 |
krtaylor | any discussion now on these? | 18:15 |
luqas | krtaylor: maybe I can move mine into your requirements/recommendations | 18:16 |
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sweston | krtaylor: not ar this time, but I may have some additions later on how to do third party ci with puppet | 18:16 |
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krtaylor | luqas, yes, I did see that in the email thread | 18:16 |
sweston | :%s/ar/at/g | 18:16 |
krtaylor | sweston, please patch, that's well needed | 18:17 |
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sweston | krtaylor: ok, I can create a topic branch for it | 18:17 |
luqas | krtaylor: ok, so we'll see where it fits better | 18:17 |
krtaylor | luqas, if you want, I'll roll that up in my patch | 18:17 |
luqas | krtaylor: that would be nice too | 18:18 |
krtaylor | luqas, or you can patch and I'll wait for the merge, whatever you prefer | 18:18 |
luqas | were do you think it reads better? | 18:18 |
krtaylor | luqas, I am less worried about it being perfect right now, we can always refactor | 18:19 |
krtaylor | there is so much to document here | 18:19 |
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luqas | krtaylor: ok, will patch it then we'll see | 18:19 |
sweston | krtaylor: correction, I guess that would be same topic, new subject | 18:19 |
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krtaylor | the challange is going to be to get it recorded, then we can worry about how consumable it is | 18:20 |
krtaylor | sweston, I don't follow | 18:20 |
sweston | krtaylor: never mind, just thinking out loud. | 18:20 |
krtaylor | sweston, oh, for the patch, yes | 18:21 |
sweston | krtaylor: yup | 18:21 |
krtaylor | ok, ever onward | 18:21 |
krtaylor | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:21 |
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krtaylor | anything to communicate here? | 18:21 |
krtaylor | new deadlines? | 18:21 |
krtaylor | other than the cinder/neutron? | 18:21 |
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krtaylor | I guess we will see in the next cycle for other projects | 18:22 |
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krtaylor | next item then | 18:22 |
krtaylor | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:23 |
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krtaylor | s0nea, Svedrin - you are up to discuss openATTIC | 18:23 |
s0nea | ok, yes... hi all. we a trying to set up a ci testing system for our openattic project | 18:24 |
s0nea | and i think we need a little help | 18:24 |
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s0nea | anteaya, told me that here is the right place to ask for | 18:24 |
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krtaylor | s0nea, can you give us a very short overview of openattic? | 18:25 |
s0nea | we already received a service account and followed up the guide http://www.joinfu.com/2014/02/setting-up-an-openstack-external-testing-system-part-2/ up to section Test the dsvm-tempest-full Jenkins job | 18:25 |
fawadkhaliq | s0nea: can you please share what are you targeting that you need help with. If I can, I will. | 18:26 |
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krtaylor | s0nea, I think there are several of us here that have background here, as well as the gurus from my team :) | 18:26 |
ArxCruz | s0nea: I have a little experience to setup CI, I can help you. I also writing some posts about how to setup a 3rd Party CI like o-infra at http://blog.arxcruz.net/ | 18:27 |
s0nea | ok fine, krtaylor :) | 18:27 |
krtaylor | what is the goal? what are you stuck on? | 18:27 |
s0nea | ok, the first point is, that after clicking in jenkins on the play button, it only ran about 300 tests... ist that normal? | 18:27 |
s0nea | is there an option we need to enable to run more tests? | 18:28 |
krtaylor | ArxCruz, yeah a "little" experience :) | 18:28 |
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ArxCruz | :) | 18:28 |
krtaylor | s0nea, we'd need more info | 18:28 |
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krtaylor | s0nea, did you get passed/failed/skipped? are you skipping by passing regex? | 18:29 |
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s0nea | krtaylor, no, i think all works fine | 18:29 |
s0nea | it said success at the end of the test | 18:30 |
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krtaylor | s0nea, what project/component? | 18:30 |
s0nea | but it reported a few errors in logs | 18:30 |
s0nea | i'm talking about the dsvm-tempest-full job | 18:31 |
krtaylor | s0nea, ok, a google search shows that it is software defined storage, that is some of the background needed | 18:31 |
s0nea | ah yes... ok | 18:32 |
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s0nea | we wrote cinder driver | 18:32 |
krtaylor | ah, ok, that helps | 18:32 |
s0nea | for using our storage tool as blockstorage | 18:32 |
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krtaylor | s0nea, this may be something better suited for an -infra discussion, we may need to see logs (pastebin) | 18:33 |
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krtaylor | find us there, ArxCruz and I can help for sure, looks like fawadkhaliq volunteered also | 18:34 |
s0nea | ok... you want see the log of the dsvm-tempest-full job? | 18:34 |
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krtaylor | s0nea, it would help, tail and post to pastebin | 18:34 |
krtaylor | post link and we'll discuss | 18:34 |
s0nea | ok... no problem | 18:35 |
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krtaylor | ok, is ther any questions for s0nea | 18:36 |
krtaylor | there | 18:36 |
krtaylor | s0nea, it would be nice to learn more about your environment too | 18:37 |
sweston | no, I agree, we need more info to help. | 18:37 |
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krtaylor | s0nea, maybe when you get it working you can come back and discuss how you got everything to work? | 18:37 |
sweston | if the logs are not available now for paste, then s0nea might like to know where we can look for the link | 18:37 |
s0nea | krtaylor, yes, sure | 18:38 |
krtaylor | #link http://paste.openstack.org/ | 18:38 |
s0nea | here is the paste: http://paste.openstack.org/show/85606/ | 18:38 |
krtaylor | ok, cool! | 18:39 |
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krtaylor | so lets move that discussion to -infra and move along | 18:39 |
krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 18:39 |
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krtaylor | so I'll open the floor | 18:39 |
krtaylor | last week we discussed terminology at length | 18:40 |
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krtaylor | I suggested that writing these terms down would be good, it started a nice ML discussion | 18:40 |
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krtaylor | I am hoping to see some agreement on things like success, failure, passed, etc | 18:41 |
krtaylor | so that's what I had, needed to be a formal topic for this week's meeting, but ran out of time at the end of last week | 18:42 |
sweston | awesome. what do you think the next step is? | 18:42 |
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sweston | ah, ok | 18:42 |
krtaylor | sweston, I think a proposal for the terms, on the ML, then a patch | 18:42 |
krtaylor | maybe to a terms section of the doc | 18:42 |
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sweston | krtaylor: cool. would you like to team up on that? | 18:42 |
krtaylor | but I am flexible on it | 18:42 |
krtaylor | sweston, +1 | 18:42 |
krtaylor | sweston, do you want to post a proposal? | 18:43 |
sweston | krtaylor, +1. Yes. | 18:43 |
sweston | krtaylor: to the ML? | 18:43 |
krtaylor | excellent | 18:43 |
krtaylor | yes, please | 18:43 |
sweston | krtaylor: I can do that. | 18:44 |
sweston | krtaylor: I might have some questions for you after I google around a bit | 18:44 |
krtaylor | #action sweston to propose terminology for test completion criteria, success, fail, pass, etc | 18:44 |
ArxCruz | s0nea: need to check your localrc, I'm pretty sure it's running only 300 tests because you're disabling something in your localrc | 18:44 |
krtaylor | sweston, absolutely | 18:44 |
sweston | krtaylor: kk | 18:45 |
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krtaylor | ArxCruz, thx for the quick look! | 18:45 |
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ArxCruz | s0nea: also you're running smoke tests, not the full tempest | 18:45 |
s0nea | oh that was fast, thank you ArxCruz :) | 18:45 |
krtaylor | is there any other topics for discussion? | 18:46 |
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sweston | I do not have any | 18:47 |
krtaylor | I think in general we need to get some of these outstanding doc patches finished up and start looking at requirements | 18:47 |
krtaylor | but that will wait until anteaya is back | 18:47 |
krtaylor | ok, well I guess we can finish early then, anyone? | 18:48 |
krtaylor | well, we'll finish early for once! | 18:48 |
Svedrin | krtaylor, can we just ping one of you guys when we have questions? | 18:49 |
krtaylor | Svedrin, sure, find one of us in #openstack-infra | 18:49 |
Svedrin | ok will do, thanks :) | 18:49 |
krtaylor | last call | 18:49 |
krtaylor | thanks everyone! | 18:50 |
s0nea | yes, thank you all for your support :) | 18:50 |
krtaylor | #endmeeting | 18:50 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 7 18:50:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:50 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-07-07-18.00.html | 18:50 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-07-07-18.00.txt | 18:50 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-07-07-18.00.log.html | 18:50 |
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s0nea | ArxCruz, i will have a closer look at it and let you know if it solves the problem | 18:51 |
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matty_dubs | o/ | 19:01 |
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adam_g | o/ | 19:01 |
devananda | hm, i seem to be having intermittent network issues ... | 19:01 |
NobodyCam | o/ | 19:01 |
devananda | who's here for Ironic meeting? | 19:01 |
rloo | o/ | 19:01 |
jroll | \o | 19:01 |
NobodyCam | :( | 19:01 |
Shrews | ohai ironic! | 19:01 |
romcheg | o/ | 19:01 |
devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 7 19:01:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:01 |
devananda | hi all! as usual, the agenda can be found here | 19:01 |
devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:01 |
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lucasagomes | o/ | 19:02 |
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JayF | p/ | 19:02 |
devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 19:02 |
openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:02 |
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devananda | I dont think there are any big announcements from last week | 19:03 |
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devananda | and hopefully by now everyone is aware of and (if you'r going) has already made arrangements for the mid cycle | 19:03 |
devananda | any questions, speak up now before we move on to release cycle progress report | 19:03 |
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romcheg | devananda: I told that in the chat but will say it again. | 19:04 |
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NobodyCam | i look forward to seeing every one htere | 19:04 |
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devananda | ok, moving on | 19:05 |
romcheg | I won't be able to be there. Last minute I realised that budget for my trip was not approved | 19:05 |
devananda | romcheg: ah, bummer :( | 19:05 |
matty_dubs | :'( | 19:05 |
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NobodyCam | :( | 19:05 |
devananda | #topic release cycle progress | 19:05 |
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devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 19:05 |
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devananda | the J2 milestone is two weeks from now | 19:05 |
devananda | it's just a milestone tag, not much to do, but ... | 19:06 |
rloo | oh oh so soon. | 19:06 |
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devananda | there are a few specs we ought to land (and implement, since the code is nearly done too) | 19:06 |
NobodyCam | we need spec reviewa | 19:06 |
NobodyCam | reviews even | 19:06 |
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rloo | which specs devananda ? | 19:07 |
devananda | and the meeting is the week after that, so I would really like us to have the specs in shape for J3 by the end of the midcycle (iow, by July 30) | 19:07 |
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devananda | rloo: I'd like to get your API work in by J2 -- think that's possible? | 19:07 |
NobodyCam | rloo: I'm basing my reviews on : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hxyfy60hN_Fit0b-plsPzK6yW3ePQC5IfwuzJwltlbo/edit#gid=1357128775 | 19:07 |
NobodyCam | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hxyfy60hN_Fit0b-plsPzK6yW3ePQC5IfwuzJwltlbo/edit#gid=1357128775 | 19:07 |
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rloo | devananda: it is possible IF the spec is approved this week and IF the code is reviewed and approved by J2 :-) | 19:08 |
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devananda | rloo: I've +2'd the spec and asked lucasagomes to revie it tmw | 19:08 |
lucasagomes | rloo, I will review it tomorrow morning | 19:08 |
rloo | devananda: ok, code will be ready for review by wed at the latest then ;) | 19:09 |
lifeless | o/ | 19:09 |
devananda | JoshNang: ditto for the swift tempurl spec. I've +2'd, if it's +A'd, do you think the code is ready in the next week or so? | 19:09 |
lifeless | I'm not really here sorry | 19:09 |
rloo | haha, we have lifeless' ghost. | 19:09 |
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JoshNang | devananda: it should be | 19:09 |
devananda | great, thanks | 19:09 |
JoshNang | i should be able to get the python-swiftclient patch in this week. i'll bug them :) | 19:10 |
devananda | we are going to need someone working on grenade testing | 19:10 |
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devananda | and folks working on deployer-focused docs | 19:10 |
devananda | not immediately, but if we dont start those soon, we'll be in bad shape | 19:10 |
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rloo | can't we wait on the deployer-focused docs until after j3? | 19:11 |
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devananda | both are necessary for graduation, which will be checked soemtime between J3 (feature freeze) and release | 19:11 |
devananda | rloo: we did that last cycle, and what i've noticed is that we have a lot of users right now who are grasping at straws | 19:11 |
matty_dubs | We also have people asking in IRC fairly often about developer-doc-y stuff, so it might be beneficial. | 19:11 |
NobodyCam | romcheg: did I see you working on grenade testing this morning? | 19:11 |
devananda | rloo: because the deployer docs we have aren't adequate | 19:11 |
matty_dubs | aka, what devananda just said ;) | 19:11 |
devananda | matty_dubs: exactly | 19:11 |
romcheg | NobodyCam: yes you did | 19:11 |
lucasagomes | true | 19:11 |
NobodyCam | :) | 19:11 |
rloo | yeah, i agree they aren't adequate. i thought matty_dubs was going to update his blog? | 19:12 |
NobodyCam | romcheg: great TY | 19:12 |
matty_dubs | I am actually actively revising my blog post that kind of does this; I'm happy to also use that as the base for 'real' docs, and/or help with something else | 19:12 |
devananda | matty_dubs: awesome. real docs would be great | 19:12 |
rloo | thx for volunteering matty_dubs ! | 19:12 |
matty_dubs | Though mine's presently with devstack, which probably isn't something people would use in production | 19:12 |
romcheg | NobodyCam: But it would be really nice if some one came and helped me with that big piece of code w/o docs :) | 19:13 |
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lucasagomes | btw, would like to add address the iPXE work here. There's the spec and patches upstream, and it's possible to test it using devstack and nested VMs like we do in gate | 19:13 |
matty_dubs | (But we can sort that out offline) | 19:13 |
devananda | that's it for my progress report | 19:13 |
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lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/99677 (for devstack) | 19:13 |
lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/99318 (for ironic) | 19:13 |
NobodyCam | lucasagomes: links are for? | 19:14 |
lucasagomes | NobodyCam, iPXE work | 19:14 |
devananda | #info J2 is two weeks away. we'll try to land 98904 and 102914 specs and corersponding code by then (swift temp url + api for driver_info) | 19:14 |
jroll | devananda: maybe agent driver too? :) | 19:14 |
jroll | I've got devstack testing nearly working with it... think I'm running into code issues at this point | 19:14 |
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devananda | jroll: I want to look more deeply at the agent driver during the midcycle | 19:14 |
jroll | alright | 19:15 |
devananda | jroll: and try to land it then, which is just after j2 | 19:15 |
NobodyCam | :) | 19:15 |
devananda | lucasagomes: awesome, i'll take a look at the ipxe spec/code this week | 19:16 |
lucasagomes | ack :) | 19:16 |
lucasagomes | thanks | 19:16 |
devananda | #info we'll also try to land the ipxe spec and code by j2 as well | 19:16 |
devananda | fwiw, that was very high on our priority list at the start of Juno, and it enables several other features | 19:16 |
romcheg | devananda: I assume we also have to land nova=>ironic migration spec too? | 19:16 |
devananda | so landing sooner is better | 19:16 |
NobodyCam | devananda: is that on the google doc spreadsheet? | 19:16 |
devananda | romcheg: that's up to Nova's team. I'll continue working on that | 19:17 |
lucasagomes | ah, just one thing... after apply the patches you have to enabled iPXE on the localrc for devstack, so you need to set IRONIC_IPXE_ENABLED=True and the rest is the same, just follow our deploy guideline | 19:17 |
devananda | ok, taht's all for the milestone progress | 19:17 |
devananda | let's move on to subteam status | 19:17 |
rloo | NobodyCam: the iPXE is #20 in google doc | 19:17 |
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NobodyCam | ack | 19:17 |
NobodyCam | rloo: TY | 19:17 |
devananda | #info no significant progress last week on the nova driver code. still pending a few patches and waiting for Nova team to review. | 19:18 |
devananda | #topic subteam status reports | 19:18 |
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devananda | Shrews, adam_g: hi! can yo usummarize the tempest activity from last week? | 19:18 |
adam_g | we had a long and generally productive chat with -qa folks yesterday | 19:18 |
wanyen | Can we try to land iLo power and virtual media drivers in J2? | 19:18 |
adam_g | and came away with some actionable work items for the rest of the cycle that should get our CI testing better aligned with expections of the -qa team | 19:19 |
adam_g | summarized here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI | 19:19 |
adam_g | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI | 19:19 |
Shrews | and making some dents in the tempest api tests... though running into stuff where it's questionable whether the change should be in ironic's nova driver or tempest itself | 19:20 |
devananda | wanyen: you had nearly 15 minutes to bring up specs to discuss. Sorry, we've moved on in the meeting to subteam reports. Feel free to bring that up in the open discussion, though. | 19:20 |
adam_g | not much else, Shrews and i have been chipping away at the test suite's API tests to make them runnable against ironic | 19:20 |
devananda | good stuff -- thanks guys! | 19:20 |
wanyen | deva: okay. | 19:20 |
devananda | dtantsur is on vacation this week I believe, so we're missing the bug team | 19:21 |
jroll | adam_g: I noticed the thing about shrinking DIB ramdisks... how much ram are we assuming devstack gets here? | 19:21 |
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jroll | fairly certain agent ramdisk is even larger | 19:21 |
adam_g | jroll, the jenkins devstack slaves are cloud instances with 8GB | 19:21 |
JayF | jroll: and IPA does things out of a ramdisk, and has to be able to hold the whole image in ram (at a minimum) | 19:21 |
jroll | JayF: ehhhhh I'd like to change that | 19:22 |
adam_g | jroll, we're aiming to get the DIB produced pxe deploy-ironic ramdisks down to 512M per node | 19:22 |
jroll | adam_g: ok | 19:22 |
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devananda | at minimum, AIUI, we need to be able to run 3 instances in parallel | 19:22 |
devananda | and for "parallel" tempest testing, 6 instances | 19:22 |
jroll | wait... I think IPA is under 512 already | 19:22 |
jroll | JayF: ? ^ | 19:22 |
devananda | compressed? | 19:22 |
JayF | IPA is well under 512MB for download | 19:22 |
JayF | but ram usage is much higher than that | 19:22 |
jroll | ah, right | 19:22 |
devananda | right, so deploy-ironic is < 100 compressed | 19:22 |
jroll | yeah | 19:23 |
lucasagomes | JayF, oh, it downloads and convert the image in ram? | 19:23 |
JayF | 175M compressed for IPA | 19:23 |
devananda | jroll: if RS is willing to donate larger resources to -infra for testing Ironic, that may help too | 19:23 |
jroll | ok, I'll make a note and see what we can do. thanks adam_g | 19:23 |
jroll | devananda: :) | 19:23 |
devananda | JayF: ouch | 19:23 |
JayF | lucasagomes: absolutely, we persist *nothing* to local storage (or even assume that we ahve local storage) | 19:23 |
lifeless | its less than I expected | 19:23 |
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JayF | Honestly, I think optimising for RAM in a deploy ramdisk isn't a super great use of time, so I'll ask some folks on this end about donating resources for ironic testing | 19:24 |
devananda | jroll: any updates on ipa driver from last week? | 19:24 |
jroll | devananda: we're working on some advanced features, as well as devstack testing | 19:25 |
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jroll | I think I have the required changes for devstack and running into ironic code issues at this point | 19:25 |
jroll | s/ironic/agent driver/ | 19:25 |
wanyen | Jroll: what advanced features? | 19:26 |
jroll | wanyen: decommissioning, etc | 19:26 |
JayF | wanyen: for instance, the decom spec JoshNang is workign on | 19:26 |
jroll | network isolation | 19:26 |
devananda | jroll: sounds good. how up to date is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos ? | 19:26 |
wanyen | tx | 19:26 |
JayF | wanyen: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102685/ | 19:27 |
jroll | devananda: not terribly :) will update today | 19:27 |
NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos | 19:27 |
devananda | jroll: thanks! or if you have another site you are tracking IPA progress on, pls link it from the whiteboard | 19:27 |
jroll | that etherpad should be fine, I just have been ignoring it | 19:27 |
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jroll | I'll be sure to update it today, and then before next meeting | 19:28 |
devananda | #info discussion last week with openstack-qa team led to actionable work items for Ironic team to help align CI efforts. Shrews and adam_g continuing to make progress improving test coverage. | 19:28 |
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devananda | #info looking into lowering RAM requireemnts for deploy-ironic agent | 19:29 |
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devananda | jroll: is the ipa-enabling code for devstack up anywhere yet? | 19:29 |
jroll | adam_g, devananda: quick question, how many nodes do you think would be good for an ironic CI environment | 19:30 |
jroll | devananda: not yet, will be later today | 19:30 |
devananda | jroll: want an action item? | 19:30 |
NobodyCam | fyi: 1/2 way point for the meeting...beep | 19:30 |
devananda | jroll: that reallyd epends on what you want to test | 19:30 |
adam_g | jroll, for use with tempest? | 19:30 |
jroll | devananda: https://gist.github.com/jimrollenhagen/db9230f04a817a87619a is the devstack patch | 19:31 |
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jroll | devananda, adam_g: if we forwarded all tempest tests to an environment with more ram... | 19:31 |
devananda | #action jroll to post a review adding IPA-driver support to devstack later this week | 19:31 |
jroll | how many, say, 16 or 32 gb nodes would we need | 19:31 |
devananda | jroll: let's follow up on that after the meeting -- we can probably discuss it for a while | 19:31 |
jroll | sounds good | 19:32 |
jroll | just thinking rough numbers, but after is fine :) | 19:32 |
devananda | jroll: as it depends on multiple things (mostly on what and how often you want to test) | 19:32 |
jroll | right, I'm talking about zuul\ | 19:32 |
jroll | with existing jobs | 19:32 |
devananda | GheRiver1: hi! any updates from oslo last week? | 19:32 |
jroll | but let's move on :) | 19:32 |
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devananda | hm... we'll come back to oslo if GheRiver1 is around | 19:34 |
devananda | romcheg: hi! any updates on the nova->ironic db migration? or grenade testing? | 19:34 |
romcheg | There are some :) | 19:34 |
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romcheg | So both of the tools are in the state how I think they should be so you are welcome to take a look | 19:34 |
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NobodyCam | romcheg: links? | 19:35 |
romcheg | 1se | 19:35 |
romcheg | sec | 19:35 |
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romcheg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101920/ data migration tool | 19:35 |
romcheg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102563/ flavor update tool | 19:36 |
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romcheg | Should I create entry points in Nova for them? | 19:36 |
devananda | #info nova -> ironic database migration and flavor update tools ready for review and testing | 19:36 |
devananda | romcheg: I re-submitted the spec for those this morning with the two minor fixes you pointed out | 19:36 |
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romcheg | So after installing Nova Juno users will be able to run a command like nova-migrate-db-to-ironic --params | 19:37 |
devananda | i don't expect much disagreement from Nova since the main driver spec was already approved | 19:37 |
romcheg | devananda: I'm reading that. | 19:37 |
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romcheg | Large texts take more time to read them since I'm not an English speaker :) | 19:38 |
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devananda | romcheg: changes were very small - fix the link and s/glance/nova/ on one line | 19:38 |
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devananda | since GheRivero doesn't seem to be here, I'll try to give an update instead | 19:39 |
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romcheg | Yes, that's good but I'm trying to make sure there are no other inaccuracies or ambiguous things | 19:39 |
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devananda | IIRC, a new version of oslo.db should be coming out soon, with fixes to the migration tests | 19:41 |
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devananda | but nothing specifically affecting us changed last week | 19:41 |
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devananda | that's it | 19:41 |
devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:42 |
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wanyen | I would like to talk about landing ilO power and virtualmedia driver in J2 | 19:42 |
devananda | wanyen: hi! I have +2'd the ilo power spec. once it has another +2, I'll approve it | 19:43 |
devananda | i need to take another look at the virtualmediad deploy driver | 19:43 |
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wanyen | iLo pwoer spec and ilo power driver code have been submitted for sometime. dtantsur approved the earlier versioj of the power spec | 19:43 |
wanyen | deva: dtantsur also approved the ilo power code. | 19:44 |
rloo | wrt approving the code for these drivers. devananda: what kind of tests need to be in place if any? are they mentioned in the resp. specs? | 19:44 |
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devananda | rloo: they definitely need sufficient unit test coverage | 19:45 |
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rloo | devananda: ok, no 3rdparty CI then. | 19:46 |
devananda | rloo: as far as third-party CI on real hardware, most of the driver specs I've seen have included a note asying "we can't do this right now" | 19:46 |
devananda | rloo: i think the spec should include the author's expectation | 19:46 |
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rloo | devananda: thx. | 19:47 |
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devananda | how we indicate to users which drivers are tested to what degree -- I'm going to stick that on the agenda for the midcycle :) | 19:47 |
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wanyen | deva: ilo virtual media code is ready to submit. We need approval for the spec. | 19:48 |
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NobodyCam | are there any thoughts on how we can try spec dependencies? | 19:49 |
devananda | wanyen: ack. I'll look at them as soon as possible | 19:49 |
lucasagomes | wanyen, I will take a look at the spec | 19:49 |
devananda | NobodyCam: what do you mean? | 19:49 |
NobodyCam | s/try/track/ | 19:49 |
jroll | wanyen: you can submit the code before the spec is approved :) | 19:49 |
wanyen | great! Thanks! | 19:49 |
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NobodyCam | we have specs thats are starting to depend on each other | 19:49 |
jroll | (it just won't be looked at as much) | 19:49 |
jroll | NobodyCam: is there something wrong with that? | 19:49 |
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takadayuiko_ | excuse me, can we discuss about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104738/3/ironic/common/neutron.py ? | 19:50 |
devananda | wanyen: also, i'm curious about something -- there seem to be duplicate specs from HP for advanced iLO features | 19:50 |
NobodyCam | jroll one could land before the other | 19:50 |
devananda | NobodyCam: that seems natural to me. git/gerrit allow us to represent taht dependency easily enough | 19:50 |
jroll | NobodyCam: I mean. use gerrit. use git. | 19:50 |
wanyen | jroll: yes. We are maing minor changes to address commetns. So, we will submit the code soon. | 19:50 |
NobodyCam | as example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100951 | 19:50 |
jroll | NobodyCam: also don't be afraid to tell folks to make something a dependency | 19:51 |
rloo | NobodyCam: if one spec depends on another, the spec could land, but the related code won't/shouldn't if it depends on the code of the dependent spec. | 19:51 |
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NobodyCam | see comments on ^^^ | 19:51 |
NobodyCam | I think they are dependent | 19:51 |
NobodyCam | author seems to think noe | 19:51 |
NobodyCam | not | 19:51 |
jroll | tell the author they are wrong | 19:51 |
jroll | if you think they are | 19:52 |
jroll | or ask for other opinions | 19:52 |
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jroll | work it just like code review | 19:52 |
NobodyCam | been trying | 19:52 |
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devananda | takadayuiko_: hi! I'm looking at taht patch - what is your question? | 19:53 |
lucasagomes | oh the config deprecation strategy... there's one for openstack? or projects do it differently? | 19:53 |
devananda | there definitely is one for openstack, and we definitely should be following it | 19:53 |
devananda | even though irnoic isn't integrated, we have users who are affected by us, and we need to consider upgrades and backwards-compatibility issues | 19:54 |
wanyen | NobodyCam: Basec on my understanding , the generic hw discovery bit does not cover user initiate discovery | 19:54 |
devananda | really those are orthogonal to integration | 19:54 |
takadayuiko_ | devananda, thank you. I asked to lifeless and understood what is the problem, backword compatibility , right? I want to listen your ideas | 19:54 |
wanyen | s/basec/based | 19:54 |
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rloo | NobodyCam: 102565 spec has a reference at the bottom to 100951 spec. see line 29: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102565/11/specs/juno/generic-hardware-discovery.rst | 19:55 |
NobodyCam | wanyen: it was this line that cought my eye: It will add inventory as a new field to the node object as proposed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102565 | 19:55 |
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devananda | takadayuiko_: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.config/opts.html#oslo.config.cfg.DeprecatedOpt | 19:56 |
wanyen | NobodyCam: I think dtantsur proposed that all discovered node proerties to be stored in the inventory fields. | 19:57 |
jroll | wanyen: and you're depending on that proposal | 19:57 |
NobodyCam | wanyen: yes in 102565 | 19:57 |
wanyen | NobodyCam: we can do that. I thouhgt IPA already has that field added | 19:57 |
JayF | -> 2 minute warning | 19:57 |
NobodyCam | :) | 19:58 |
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NobodyCam | ty JayF | 19:58 |
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jroll | wanyen: IPA driver doesn't have an approved spec either, so same situation :) | 19:58 |
jroll | wanyen: that said, we haven't added a new column, just using extra | 19:58 |
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takadayuiko_ | devananda: mm, do you mean that it's better to have both url and neutron_host, neutron_port, neutron_protocol? | 19:59 |
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NobodyCam | wanyen: TY | 19:59 |
devananda | takadayuiko_: when removing an option, you must include a deprecation path. same for renaming as well. | 20:00 |
NobodyCam | beep times up | 20:00 |
devananda | takadayuiko_: irrespective of whether i think that is a good change, it will break deployments | 20:00 |
wanyen | jroll> ok. we are fine to use the new inventory field. But I do have cocnerns that if the generic hw bit spec/code does not land then no oneelse can land their hew discovery cdoe? | 20:00 |
jroll | to #openstack-ironic | 20:00 |
devananda | thanks everyone! talk with you all again next week! | 20:00 |
jroll | thanks chairs :) | 20:00 |
NobodyCam | great meeting | 20:00 |
devananda | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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lucasagomes | thanks | 20:01 |
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takadayuiko_ | devananda, ah, it's not good, I'll update my patch. thank you. | 20:02 |
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mestery | Hi Neutron people! | 20:59 |
yamamoto | hi | 20:59 |
sweston | Hi! | 20:59 |
marun | hi | 20:59 |
shivharis | hi | 20:59 |
armax | hi there | 20:59 |
emagana | hello world! | 20:59 |
fawadkhaliq | hello! | 20:59 |
gduan | Hi | 20:59 |
enikanorov_ | hi | 20:59 |
Sukhdev | Hello | 21:00 |
salv-orlando | aloha | 21:00 |
carl_baldwin | hi | 21:00 |
banix | hi | 21:00 |
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jckasper | hi | 21:00 |
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mestery | nati_ueno rkukura SumitNaiksatam markmcclain obondarev arosen garyk: Neutron meeting | 21:01 |
markmcclain | hi | 21:01 |
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Swami | hi everyone | 21:01 |
arosen | Hi! | 21:01 |
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enikanorov_ | obondarev is travelling right now | 21:01 |
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dougwig | o/ | 21:01 |
mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:02 |
pcm_ | hi | 21:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 7 21:02:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:02 |
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rkukura | hi | 21:02 |
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mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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mestery | #info Spec Proposal Deadline is 7-10-2014, and Spec Approval Deadline is 7-20-2014 for Juno. | 21:03 |
mestery | I sent an email on that last week, but wanted it noted in the meeting minutes. | 21:03 |
mestery | #info Juno-2 is July 24. | 21:03 |
mestery | Also a note about the Juno-2 deadline which is fast approaching. | 21:03 |
mestery | #info Neutron Mid-Cycle Sprint is this week: 7-9 through 7-11. | 21:04 |
mestery | I think we'll have somewhere around 20-25 people or so showing up. | 21:04 |
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mestery | I expect a busy week, looking forward to seeing those who can make it in person! | 21:04 |
mestery | OK, lets move on past announcements now. | 21:05 |
mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:05 |
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mestery | enikanorov_: Hi! | 21:05 |
enikanorov_ | hi | 21:05 |
enikanorov_ | nothing major or critical on bugs side | 21:05 |
enikanorov_ | lock wait timeouts are hit here and there | 21:05 |
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enikanorov_ | waiting for patch to merge: | 21:05 |
enikanorov_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100934/ | 21:06 |
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enikanorov_ | i believe it should fix a good bunch of timeouts | 21:06 |
mestery | enikanorov_: Excellent! | 21:06 |
enikanorov_ | so cores please review | 21:07 |
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salv-orlando | what do you reckon of switching to mysql-connector? | 21:07 |
enikanorov_ | is there a patch we can test? | 21:08 |
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gus | I'm working on a bunch of changes to oslo.db that are required first | 21:08 |
enikanorov_ | i think it could be a good way to move forward | 21:08 |
enikanorov_ | although i think we still need to fix the issue with existing code | 21:08 |
gus | You won't be able to in all cases. | 21:09 |
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enikanorov_ | gus: why? | 21:09 |
gus | eg: if two user requests come in at once to mutate the same DB row, then you'll deadlock. | 21:09 |
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enikanorov_ | no, why? | 21:09 |
enikanorov_ | one is making change, another one is waiting | 21:10 |
mestery | I see a BP registered in LP for this already: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/switch-to-mysql-connector with spec here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104905/ | 21:10 |
gus | no | 21:10 |
marun | deadlock means one thing in db-land, another in code land. | 21:10 |
gus | one eventlet opens a transaction, starts doing stuff. | 21:10 |
gus | yields at any point. | 21:10 |
gus | new thread comes in and also opens a transaction that the DB thinks needs to block on the first. | 21:11 |
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enikanorov_ | that's not exactly a deadlock. we have a bunch of deadlock too, and that's a different condition | 21:11 |
mestery | I think any discussion of moving to mysql-connector needs to happen at a higher level than just Neutron, perhaps we should move this discussion to the ML. | 21:11 |
enikanorov_ | (it's actually a lock order issue) | 21:11 |
enikanorov_ | mestery: agree. and thanks for the pointer | 21:12 |
salv-orlando | mestery: it’s already there | 21:12 |
salv-orlando | this is why I brought it here | 21:12 |
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mestery | salv-orlando: Just bringing everyone up to speed. :) | 21:12 |
gus | you'll never give cpu back to the first. | 21:12 |
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salv-orlando | mestery: link here if you want to add to meeting minutes -> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039530.html | 21:12 |
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mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039530.html | 21:13 |
mestery | Thanks salv-orlando! | 21:13 |
mestery | enikanorov_: Any other bugs we should be aware of or need discussing here? | 21:14 |
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enikanorov_ | no, unless salv-orlando wants to say something about the bug he has filed | 21:14 |
enikanorov_ | about vif plugging notifications | 21:14 |
salv-orlando | I filed lots of them which one? | 21:14 |
enikanorov_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1338679 | 21:15 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1338679 in nova "Some Neutron plugins might miss network-vif-* events" [Undecided,New] | 21:15 |
salv-orlando | that does not affect any plugin running the ovs agent. Therefore I don’t think it needs meeting attention. | 21:15 |
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enikanorov_ | ok | 21:15 |
mestery | OK, thanks salv-orlando. | 21:15 |
enikanorov_ | that's it then with bugs | 21:15 |
mestery | enikanorov_: Thank you! | 21:16 |
mestery | #topic Team Discussion Topics | 21:16 |
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mestery | I wanted to quickly highlight one thing about the mid-cycle this week: | 21:16 |
mestery | On Wednesday, it would be great if folks could delay arrival until 9:30 or so. | 21:16 |
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mestery | The reason being, the large training room I have is mine at that time. :) | 21:16 |
mestery | I have a smaller room before that, but 20+ people would be cramped there. The rest of the week people can come much earlier. | 21:17 |
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mlavalle | mestery: glad to sleep another 30 minutes :-) | 21:17 |
mestery | Any questions on the sprint this week from anyone? | 21:17 |
mestery | mlavalle: ;) | 21:17 |
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mestery | OK, one other thing I'd like to bring up is the core reviewer assignment email I sent out today. | 21:18 |
mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039529.html | 21:18 |
Sukhdev | mestery: works just fine for me - | 21:18 |
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mestery | In a nutshell, I'm hoping that for the 10 community BPs identified here we can spread the load of working these out in the final weeks of Juno-2. | 21:18 |
mestery | In no way am I discouraging anyone from reviewing additional BPs, but I'm hoping this will provide submitters with core contacts for the community BPs I've highlighted here. | 21:19 |
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mestery | Lets see how this works and evaluate things post Juno-2. | 21:19 |
emagana | mestery: +1 | 21:19 |
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mestery | Any questions or comments on this? | 21:19 |
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mestery | Thanks emagana :) | 21:19 |
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mestery | Also, I should highlight I'm not ignoring additional BPs here, but I thought starting with a smaller set to gather some data as to how this works would be worth trying. | 21:20 |
* mestery listens to the crickets. | 21:20 | |
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mestery | OK, lets move on then. | 21:21 |
mestery | #topic Nova Parity | 21:21 |
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mestery | markmcclain: Hi! | 21:21 |
markmcclain | hi | 21:21 |
markmcclain | not to much movement with the holidays last week looking forward to getting everyone in teh same room | 21:21 |
mestery | markmcclain: +1! | 21:22 |
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mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lOiqsLmizl Mid-Cycle Sprint parity work items | 21:22 |
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emagana | mestery is chatting with someone else! | 21:24 |
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mestery | OK, lets see how much we can get done this week on the parity front! | 21:24 |
emagana | :P | 21:24 |
Sukhdev | emagana: how did you know that ? | 21:24 |
emagana | mea culpa! | 21:24 |
mestery | #topic Tempest | 21:24 |
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mestery | mlavalle: Hi! | 21:24 |
mlavalle | hi | 21:24 |
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mlavalle | we merged the last two api tests of the list we planned originally in January: VPN (by me) and LbaaS quotas by Evgeny Fedoruk | 21:25 |
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mestery | mlavalle: That's great! | 21:26 |
mlavalle | sc68cal also merged ipv6 test that wssn't in the irginal list | 21:26 |
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mlavalle | we have another two tests for porvider networks in the works | 21:27 |
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mlavalle | so in this front we have execellent covergare | 21:27 |
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mlavalle | I spent some time pinging salv-orlando and markmcclain for tempest tests that might need development for the nuetron full job and nova parity | 21:28 |
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mlavalle | nothin is really needed there | 21:28 |
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mestery | mlavalle: One thing I hope we can discuss this week is multi-node testing for DVR via a 3rd party. | 21:28 |
salv-orlando | I confirm the problem of the full job is not it being full | 21:28 |
mlavalle | so for the sprint this week, I listed the api tests in review: to make sure they get reviewed and merged asap | 21:28 |
salv-orlando | but rather being parallel | 21:28 |
mestery | salv-orlando: Heh | 21:28 |
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armax | mestery: I was speaking with marun the other day and he said we might be able to do multi-node upstream | 21:29 |
mlavalle | also keeping an eye in the missing api calls for nova-parity. even though they are not new calls for the neutron api, we need to make sure the corresponding nova tests pass | 21:29 |
armax | not sure if it’s just speculation at the moment :) | 21:29 |
armax | we’ll need to dig into this | 21:29 |
mestery | armaxm armax: That would be most excellent! | 21:29 |
marun | it's not speculation | 21:29 |
mlavalle | mestery: and yes, we can discuss DVR this week | 21:30 |
armax | marun: thanks for keeping me honest | 21:30 |
salv-orlando | I heard in the last qa meeting that’s technically already possible | 21:30 |
marun | it was confirmed by sdague in last week's qa meeting that multi-node should be possible with as little as a week of concerted effort | 21:30 |
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mlavalle | I also saw that you liested the new LBaaS api for the juno-2 reviews | 21:30 |
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mestery | marun: Excellent! That's really good news for testing DVR multi-node in the gate! | 21:30 |
salv-orlando | see? marun confirms I’m not a liar too | 21:30 |
marun | this means tempest accepting multi-node testing, the kind we require to validate many of the parity work items, is not far off | 21:30 |
armax | mestery: for now I have been worrying at getting dvr to work on a single-node :) | 21:30 |
mestery | armax: ;) | 21:31 |
mlavalle | so I can spend time this week completing the tempest tests for that api | 21:31 |
armax | marun, mestery, salv-orlando: baby steps | 21:31 |
mestery | mlavalle: Yes, new LBaaS API tests for Tempest will be needed. | 21:31 |
mestery | mlavalle: Cool! | 21:31 |
* salv-orlando mehs thinking about why we would need multi-node to validate parity with nova-network if nova network is not running multi node either so far? | 21:31 | |
enikanorov_ | hehe | 21:31 |
mlavalle | I am half way with the new LBaaS tests. So it's just a mteer of devoting time to them | 21:31 |
* armax agrees | 21:31 | |
* mestery agress too | 21:31 | |
enikanorov_ | neutron should be better! | 21:31 |
mestery | mlavalle: Awesome! | 21:32 |
mlavalle | that's all I have | 21:32 |
armax | but I think that multi-node should be done for both nova and dvr | 21:32 |
mestery | Lots of activity in the Tempest report this week mlavalle! | 21:32 |
armax | not just dvr | 21:32 |
mestery | armax: +1 | 21:32 |
marun | we need nova network ha testing as much as we need dvr testing in the gate | 21:32 |
marun | armax: +1 | 21:32 |
armax | marun: +1 | 21:32 |
mestery | marun: +100 | 21:32 |
* mlavalle lloking forward to see the team this week in Minneapolis | 21:32 | |
mlavalle | :-) | 21:32 |
mestery | mlavalle: Indeed, should be nice! | 21:32 |
mestery | OK, lets move on, thanks mlavalle! | 21:33 |
mestery | #topic L3 | 21:33 |
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mestery | carl_baldwin: Hi there! | 21:33 |
carl_baldwin | hi | 21:33 |
carl_baldwin | Mostly DVR work. Still progressing. | 21:33 |
mlavalle | mestery: I forgot to mention. I developed a 4 slides presentation to train tempest developers if it is needed during the sprint | 21:33 |
mestery | mlavalle: That's awesome, thanks for that, and I hope we can make use of it. | 21:33 |
Sukhdev | mlavalle: that would be great | 21:33 |
carl_baldwin | I look forward to working on it in Minn. this week. | 21:34 |
mestery | carl_baldwin: Great, as does everyone! | 21:34 |
mestery | carl_baldwin: Anything else this week? | 21:34 |
carl_baldwin | mestery: Not really. We still have the same goals as last week. | 21:34 |
mestery | carl_baldwin: OK, thanks for the updates here! | 21:35 |
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mestery | #topic Advanced Services | 21:35 |
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mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Hi there! | 21:35 |
SumitNaiksatam | mestery: hi | 21:35 |
SumitNaiksatam | so we are still pretty much at the same point as the last week | 21:35 |
SumitNaiksatam | still discussing flavors | 21:35 |
SumitNaiksatam | mestery: you mentioned you wanted to spend some more time here? | 21:36 |
SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov, markmcclain: do you guys think we are converging? | 21:36 |
mestery | Per email last week, I hope we're close on closing on flavors. :) | 21:36 |
markmcclain | I thought we were | 21:36 |
enikanorov_ | SumitNaiksatam: mostly, i think | 21:36 |
markmcclain | enikanorov: wants to hold off on items I thought we had agreed on | 21:36 |
SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain, enikanorov_: thats great | 21:37 |
enikanorov_ | markmcclain: i though we had agreed to hold them off :) | 21:37 |
enikanorov_ | markmcclain: i've replied to your reply btw | 21:37 |
markmcclain | extensions should have API support | 21:37 |
SumitNaiksatam | so from a process perspective, which blueprint spec are reviewing? | 21:37 |
SumitNaiksatam | or still both? | 21:37 |
enikanorov_ | SumitNaiksatam: markmcclain's | 21:37 |
SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: ok good | 21:37 |
SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/102723 | 21:38 |
enikanorov_ | markmcclain: let's continue on ML about the extensions, i think it's doable, but not necessarily with user-facing API part | 21:38 |
SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: you mentioned you had started implementation? | 21:38 |
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enikanorov_ | SumitNaiksatam: right | 21:38 |
SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: okay just wanted to make sure that everyeone is aware of that, thanks! | 21:39 |
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SumitNaiksatam | other than flavors, as a team we are also reviewing the service base/insertion, chaining and traffic steering blueprints | 21:39 |
SumitNaiksatam | i am also happy to state that neutron is soon going to have a “tapaas” menu! ;-) | 21:39 |
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SumitNaiksatam | the Tap As A Service spec is also coming along: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96149/ | 21:40 |
SumitNaiksatam | any questions for the sub-team? | 21:40 |
SumitNaiksatam | mestery: then thats it from me | 21:41 |
mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Thank you! | 21:41 |
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mestery | #topic IPv6 | 21:41 |
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gduan | We should discuss implication of multiple driver instances introduced by flavor | 21:41 |
mestery | sc68cal: Hi! | 21:41 |
mestery | #undo | 21:41 |
openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x2cb1ed0> | 21:41 |
mestery | gduan: Got in at the last minute there ;) | 21:42 |
gduan | sorry | 21:42 |
mestery | gduan: Is this something you want to dsicuss now or in the review? | 21:42 |
mestery | gduan: No worries :) | 21:42 |
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enikanorov_ | gduan: i think we can manage single driver instance still | 21:42 |
sc68cal | mestery: hello | 21:42 |
gduan | I think enikanorov has a plan to furthur discuss it in team meeting | 21:42 |
mestery | sc68cal: Hold one second ;) | 21:42 |
mestery | gduan: In the services meeting this week? | 21:42 |
SumitNaiksatam | gduan: yes, please comment on the review and lets bring it to the meeting this week | 21:43 |
enikanorov_ | gduan: even in case of dynamic loading it's not too difficult to maintain single instance of the driver | 21:43 |
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markmcclain | gduan, enikanorov_ we should discuss on ML vs in meetings where everyone must be present | 21:43 |
gduan | sure. | 21:43 |
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enikanorov_ | sure | 21:43 |
SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: thats for logs are for | 21:43 |
mestery | OK, lets move on now. | 21:44 |
mestery | #topic IPv6 | 21:44 |
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mestery | sc68cal: REady now! | 21:44 |
markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: logs do not enable participation in the process for those that are away from this meeting | 21:44 |
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sc68cal | Promise I'll be short - for the most part it's just the radvd spec & patch | 21:44 |
sc68cal | So basically just the review now | 21:45 |
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sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102648/ radvd support review | 21:45 |
sc68cal | That's about it from me | 21:45 |
salv-orlando | thanks… we know you’re busy with the doc sprint this week | 21:46 |
mestery | Thanks sc68cal, enjoy the doc sprint! | 21:46 |
mestery | #topic ML2 | 21:46 |
sc68cal | thanks :) | 21:46 |
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SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: i do agree that there needs to be email follow up on the decisions made, however it helps to converge on design when multiple people are present at the same time in the meeting | 21:46 |
mestery | Sukhdev rkukura: Hi! | 21:46 |
Sukhdev | mestery: Hi | 21:46 |
Sukhdev | This was a short and fun week | 21:47 |
rkukura | Sukhdev: Go ahead - I’ve been on vacation and am not caught up yet | 21:47 |
Sukhdev | We have bunch of spec ready in the final stages - | 21:47 |
Sukhdev | thanks to Edgar and Akihiro for jumping in and providing core coverage | 21:47 |
* mestery hopes rkukura had some fruity cocktails on vacation. :) | 21:47 | |
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Sukhdev | I see lots of activity and hope to have few specs merged this week | 21:48 |
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Sukhdev | Other than that everything is on the meeting wiki | 21:48 |
Sukhdev | that is it - unless there are questions | 21:48 |
mestery | Thanks Sukhdev! | 21:49 |
mestery | #topic Group Based Policy | 21:49 |
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mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Hi again | 21:49 |
SumitNaiksatam | mestery: hi | 21:49 |
SumitNaiksatam | we do have the datapatch patch is now for the first series | 21:49 |
mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Great! | 21:50 |
SumitNaiksatam | we have also completed the model series with patches in for all the resources | 21:50 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: can talk to the datapath patch | 21:50 |
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rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: yes, the resource_mapping driver is the last in the first series and implements the (allow everything) datapath. Its still WIP, but allows the rest to be tested/understood hopefully. | 21:51 |
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enikanorov_ | SumitNaiksatam: so does this means everything is ready for end-to-end testing? | 21:51 |
nati_ueno | Sorry late | 21:52 |
enikanorov_ | nati_ueno: :D | 21:52 |
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SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: i believe so, since the CLI patch is also in (this is with reference to the first series of patches comprising EP, EPG, L2/3_policy) | 21:52 |
enikanorov_ | ok, good | 21:52 |
SumitNaiksatam | happy to take questions, but other than that review comments have been addressed on the model in the first series | 21:52 |
SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thanks for the time to provide the update here | 21:53 |
mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks to you for the update. | 21:53 |
mestery | SumitNaiksatam: But stay right here because ... | 21:53 |
mestery | #topic FWaaS | 21:53 |
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mestery | SumitNaiksatam: See what I mean? ;) | 21:53 |
SumitNaiksatam | mestery: sure | 21:53 |
SumitNaiksatam | i wanted to highlight the issue with supporting FWaaS on DVR | 21:53 |
SumitNaiksatam | this has been in discussion for some time now, however no clear solution has emerged | 21:54 |
mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Yes, I've seen the ML thread on the same. | 21:54 |
SumitNaiksatam | i suspect this issue exisits for any services which requires connection tracking | 21:54 |
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SumitNaiksatam | the fwaas team has stepped up interaction with the DVR team on this front | 21:54 |
SumitNaiksatam | lets see what we can achieve for juno | 21:55 |
SumitNaiksatam | at this point its up in the air though | 21:55 |
salv-orlando | I don’t think anybody will be hanged if we just put in the documentation that DVR does not work with firewall for juno. | 21:55 |
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mestery | I was thinking the documentation thing is the likely answer for Juno as well. | 21:56 |
markmcclain | salv-orlando: that is true | 21:56 |
salv-orlando | perhaps somebody will be tortured, but nobody should be hanged | 21:56 |
SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: sure, however we would need to have path for the future | 21:56 |
mestery | given the timelines and where we're at, but lets see what the team comes up with. | 21:56 |
SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: as long as we know what the technical solution is, we can figure out how we can make progress towards that in terms of milestones/releases | 21:56 |
SumitNaiksatam | right now we dont have one | 21:57 |
salv-orlando | SumitNaiksatam: if this is something that might have impact on DVR before we merge the work currently under review, then that’s important juno-wise | 21:57 |
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SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: its a tough one, because i am not sure we want to delay the merging of DVR for this reason alone | 21:57 |
SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: that is partly the reason why we did not push back before, although we had noted that this issue exists | 21:58 |
salv-orlando | on my side, I’m 99% sure I don’t want to delay it because of this… | 21:58 |
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SumitNaiksatam | salv-orlando: i agree | 21:58 |
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carl_baldwin | carl_baldwin: +1 | 21:58 |
mestery | +1 | 21:58 |
armax | +1 | 21:58 |
salv-orlando | but I don’t think this discussion is relecant for the meeting | 21:58 |
SumitNaiksatam | the hope was that we would have evolved a solution by this time | 21:58 |
mestery | If it comes to it, we'll document this. | 21:58 |
mestery | And with 2 minutes left ... | 21:59 |
mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:59 |
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SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thanks! | 21:59 |
mestery | Looking forward to seeing those of you who make the trek to the upper midwest of the USA. | 21:59 |
salv-orlando | neutron full jobs - patches under review. 1 for nova, 1 for neutron | 21:59 |
* mestery notes we may have heat and humidity to share with you. | 21:59 | |
mestery | salv-orlando: Awesome! | 21:59 |
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salv-orlando | nova patch is blocked with a -2, looking with reviewers how they would like the issue to be addressed. The fix changes rest API behaviour so it’s understandable | 22:00 |
salv-orlando | neutron patch is an easy one. I don’t know how we missed that beforE: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105239/ | 22:00 |
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salv-orlando | that’s all. Once this two patches go in, the full job will be made voting | 22:00 |
mestery | salv-orlando: Yikes, that does seem obvious now, thanks for fixing that! | 22:01 |
mestery | And with that, thanks eveyrone! | 22:01 |
mestery | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 7 22:01:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
kevinbenton | thanks | 22:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-07-07-21.02.html | 22:01 |
salv-orlando | adieu | 22:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-07-07-21.02.txt | 22:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-07-07-21.02.log.html | 22:01 |
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armax | ciao | 22:01 |
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