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| dougwig | o/ | 14:01 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 14:01 |
| sballe_ | \o/ | 14:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 14:01 |
| blogan_ | hello | 14:01 |
| dougwig | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 28 14:01:36 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:01 |
| dougwig | #chair blogan | 14:01 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: blogan | 14:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan dougwig | 14:01 |
| blogan_ | jorgem is running late | 14:01 |
| blogan_ | markmcclain: update on incubator? | 14:02 |
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| dougwig | we don't have an agenda this week, so toss out topics, or we'll just go straight to open discussion. | 14:02 |
| blogan_ | first topic tossed out | 14:02 |
| dougwig | #topic incubator update | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "incubator update (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:02 | |
| markmcclain | blogan_: yeah.. so after chatting with infra we're having to tweak a bit of the incubator procedural setup | 14:02 |
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| TrevorV | o/ | 14:03 |
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| * TrevorV sorry I'm late again :( | 14:03 | |
| markmcclain | it will not impact you all since the long term we discussed in Atl is separate project | 14:03 |
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| jorgem | hey there | 14:03 |
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| dougwig | #chair jorgem | 14:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan dougwig jorgem | 14:03 |
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| markmcclain | (the biggest change coming is for code that is destined to be folded back into neutron we'll have to designate feature branches) | 14:04 |
| blogan_ | markmcclain: yeah we've been focusing on octavia right now, so really its just a matter of when the code can go into the repository | 14:04 |
| jorgem | sorry entrance ramp closed this morning :/ | 14:04 |
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| sballe_ | markmcclain, so are you saying that the new lbaas model will go into an lbaas incubator project and eventual into a separate openstack project? | 14:04 |
| markmcclain | sballe_: yes that is the current target | 14:04 |
| sballe_ | markmcclain, it the whoel Neutron LBaaS that goes into incubator? | 14:05 |
| markmcclain | sballe_: still working on the mechanics of everything and we'll have lots of boring procedural stuff in Kilo to do | 14:05 |
| xgerman | it's exciting for us ;-) | 14:05 |
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| sballe_ | markmcclain, I am just trying t understand the difference and the focus | 14:05 |
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| sballe_ | if it is only new stuff or Neutron LBaaS that goes int incubator | 14:06 |
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| jorgem | markmcclain: Is the wiki constantly being updated with this information? Where can I find the WIP "rules" document (if that exists)? | 14:06 |
| markmcclain | sballe_: same items will be still be going into the incubator this cycle | 14:06 |
| sballe_ | can you clarify "items"? | 14:07 |
| blogan_ | i'd assume GBP | 14:07 |
| markmcclain | jorgem: haven't published updates yet mainly because still be hammering out the proposed text | 14:07 |
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| markmcclain | group policy and fwaas are immediate candidates | 14:07 |
| jorgem | markmcclain: roger that. I'm sure you'll ping us ;) | 14:07 |
| markmcclain | sslvpn is another but likley won't enter until next cycle | 14:07 |
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| blogan_ | markmcclain: are you saying lbaas v2 won't get into the incubator until kilo cycle? | 14:08 |
| sballe_ | markmcclain, Where does that leave our stuff? | 14:08 |
| sballe_ | blogan_, +1 | 14:08 |
| markmcclain | blogan_: lbaas and gbp will enter this cycle | 14:09 |
| blogan_ | oh okay | 14:09 |
| markmcclain | we're likely to add 1-2 things for kilo | 14:09 |
| blogan_ | good | 14:09 |
| sballe_ | good to know :) | 14:09 |
| jorgem | + :) | 14:09 |
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| dougwig | any other incubator updates or questions before we move on? | 14:10 |
| sballe_ | markmcclain, so I am just trying to get this righ lbaas v1 is in neutron, lbaas v2 will be in incubator mode soon /before Kilo | 14:10 |
| markmcclain | sballe_: yes and we'll declare v1 frozen if not deprecated to steer folks towards v2 | 14:10 |
| sballe_ | if that is true then I think this is a great outcome | 14:10 |
| sballe_ | markmcclain, +1 | 14:11 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:11 |
| blogan_ | excellent | 14:11 |
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| dougwig | +1 | 14:11 |
| blogan_ | and until then we'll just focus on octavia, i'll do whatever is necessary to get it into the incubator though | 14:11 |
| blogan_ | code wise i mean | 14:11 |
| dougwig | me too | 14:12 |
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| markmcclain | awesome.. sorry this has take so long.. coordinating with everyone has been an adventure | 14:12 |
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| blogan_ | markmcclain: you should adopt blizzard's release estimations, always will be released "soon" | 14:13 |
| TrevorV | markmcclain, adventures are fun! Don't you watch movies? | 14:13 |
| markmcclain | haha | 14:13 |
| dougwig | #topic open discussion | 14:13 |
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| blogan_ | open mic! | 14:13 |
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| dougwig | if anyone wants the floor for a specific topic, msg me. otherwise it's open. | 14:13 |
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| dougwig | and if it's a light meeting day, i'll let everyone go back to bed. :) | 14:14 |
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| blogan_ | xgerman: any update from min about the docs? | 14:14 |
| xgerman | she is working on it | 14:14 |
| xgerman | said it should be finished soon | 14:15 |
| dougwig | markmcclain: thanks for the update. | 14:15 |
| markmcclain | dougwig: you're welcome | 14:15 |
| blogan_ | markmcclain: just so you know, the docs for neutron lbaas were updates to v2, and v1 is no longer in. Min from HP is rectifying that so that v1 docs get back in | 14:15 |
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| dougwig | do we have a bug opened on that? | 14:16 |
| xgerman | it | 14:16 |
| xgerman | 's a feature | 14:16 |
| blogan_ | so a blueprint lol? | 14:16 |
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| blogan_ | i don't know of a bug, but that would be quite beneficial | 14:16 |
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| blogan_ | i'll make one today if there isn't one | 14:17 |
| dougwig | xgerman: can you or min file a bug, and make sure kyle gets it on the juno radar? | 14:17 |
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| dougwig | ok | 14:17 |
| sballe_ | mestery, what is the dealine for juno final? | 14:17 |
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| mestery | sballe_: 9-4-2014 | 14:17 |
| dougwig | #action blogan_ file bug for v2 docs being in juno, but not v2 | 14:17 |
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| sballe_ | mestery, thx | 14:18 |
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| dougwig | any other topics? | 14:18 |
| xgerman | design summit? | 14:18 |
| dougwig | #topic design summit | 14:18 |
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| dougwig | xgerman: the floor is yours. | 14:19 |
| xgerman | when is the proposal deadline? | 14:19 |
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| sballe_ | I talked to mestery and he told me we cannot submit design sessions yet | 14:19 |
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| xgerman | ok, so maybe this is something for next week then? | 14:20 |
| sballe_ | do we agree that we want 3 sessions? one on flavors, one on Neutron LBaaS and one on Octavia? | 14:20 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:20 |
| blogan_ | sballe_: wouldn't eugene or mark do a design session on flavors? | 14:20 |
| xgerman | that doesn't preclude us from wanting one | 14:21 |
| sballe_ | blogan_, that was my next question ;-) | 14:21 |
| blogan_ | ah okay | 14:21 |
| blogan_ | i don't see how there won't be a design session on flavors, but crazier things have happene | 14:21 |
| blogan_ | d | 14:21 |
| vivek-ebay | we may need more than one design session for Neutron LBaaS | 14:21 |
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| vivek-ebay | one is not enough :) | 14:21 |
| sballe_ | so we shoudl submit 2: Neutron LBaaS and Octavia. And coordinate to make sure the 3rdne happens | 14:22 |
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| sballe_ | vivek-ebay, I agree | 14:22 |
| blogan_ | sounds good to me | 14:22 |
| dougwig | folks, folks, aren't we forgetting the UDP session? | 14:22 |
| sballe_ | vivek-ebay, we could also do extra work at the Neutron ods | 14:22 |
| blogan_ | if neutron lbaas needs multiple, I'd say Octavia would need double that | 14:22 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:22 |
| xgerman | we should get a whole Octavia track | 14:22 |
| sballe_ | s/ods/pods | 14:23 |
| markmcclain | dougwig: I have a bar picked out for that session | 14:23 |
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| vivek-ebay | :) | 14:23 |
| blogan_ | UDP Ale | 14:23 |
| dougwig | markmcclain: i'm in. | 14:23 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:23 |
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| sballe_ | markmcclain, dougwig count me in ;-) on the UDP session | 14:23 |
| markmcclain | also if you haven't see this thread from yesterday... | 14:24 |
| markmcclain | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/044169.html | 14:24 |
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| markmcclain | the design summit format is changing quite a bit | 14:24 |
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| blogan_ | i have not seen that, thanks! | 14:24 |
| sballe_ | more changes ;-) | 14:24 |
| xgerman | "but could continue the discussion | 14:25 |
| xgerman | in a local bar" | 14:25 |
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| dougwig | anything else on design summits? | 14:26 |
| sballe_ | Octavia seems to fit the new critaria for the sessions | 14:26 |
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| dougwig | #topic moments of zen | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "moments of zen (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:27 | |
| dougwig | any final words, or any new topics? | 14:27 |
| blogan_ | i like turtles | 14:27 |
| sballe_ | lol | 14:27 |
| jorgem | I like ninja turtles | 14:28 |
| blogan_ | i like teenage mutant ninja turtles | 14:28 |
| jorgem | doh! | 14:28 |
| blogan_ | i'd say we have nothing else to talk about | 14:28 |
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| * dougwig worries at the direction this is taking. | 14:29 | |
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| dougwig | on that note... see you next time, or in channel. | 14:29 |
| jorgem | alright I think we are done as well | 14:29 |
| xgerman | teenage mutant ninja turtles programmers? | 14:29 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 14:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 28 14:29:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:29 |
| jorgem | ¡adios! | 14:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-08-28-14.01.html | 14:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-08-28-14.01.txt | 14:29 |
| sballe_ | bye | 14:29 |
| xgerman | bye | 14:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-08-28-14.01.log.html | 14:29 |
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| blogan_ | bye! | 14:29 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 28 15:00:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| gordc | hi folks. | 15:00 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:01 |
| nsaje | o/ | 15:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
| KurtRao | o/ | 15:01 |
| fabiog_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| nealph | o/ | 15:01 |
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| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
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| cdent | O/ | 15:02 |
| gordc | we'll say that's quorum. | 15:02 |
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| gordc | #topic Juno-3 planning | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno-3 planning (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:03 | |
| sileht | o / | 15:03 |
| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| gordc | so we have code up for all the bps we're targetting for j-3 | 15:03 |
| gordc | https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/juno-3 | 15:03 |
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| gordc | please prioritise your reviews for the bps we're targetting. | 15:04 |
| gordc | nsaje: any update on the partitioning work? | 15:04 |
| gordc | i know you've been putting a lot work there... much appreciated | 15:04 |
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| nsaje | gordc: yes, I'm working on a way to migrate the rest of the central agent pollsters to discoveries | 15:04 |
| gordc | nsaje: do you need any help there? | 15:05 |
| gordc | i'd assume quite a few pollsters don't use resources. | 15:05 |
| nsaje | gordc: yes, I'd like to quickly verify my thoughts | 15:05 |
| nsaje | gordc: I'm thinking of using fabiog_ 's idea of getting endpoints from keystone (for those pollsters that poll general stuff, like for example swift, which polls account info) | 15:05 |
| nsaje | gordc: and then treating those endpoints as sort of 'resources' for the pollster | 15:06 |
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| fabiog_ | nsaje: is this going to be a separate patch? | 15:06 |
| nsaje | gordc: so they'd get balanced around using the same logic, thus ensuring there's always someone polling and at the same time if there's multiple endpoints, multiple agents can share the work | 15:06 |
| nsaje | fabiog_: yes | 15:07 |
| gordc | nsaje: that sounds like an option. i believe swift pollsters and glance pollsters already try to authenticate endpoint first so there should be code there | 15:07 |
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| nsaje | gordc: there is | 15:07 |
| fabiog_ | nsaje: thanks it will be easier to follow | 15:07 |
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| * nealph nods | 15:07 | |
| nsaje | fabiog_: yeah. gordc : I guess we could put this as a bugfix, if we fail to get it in for j-3? Since it's actually a bug in a way, pollsters not using discoveries :) | 15:07 |
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| jd__ | o/ | 15:08 |
| nsaje | gordc: I'm a bit worried, j-3 is wednesday, right? | 15:08 |
| gordc | nsaje: that's an option. i'm not sure eglynn set a hard FF date yet so i'll let him figure it out when he gets back tomorrow | 15:08 |
| gordc | nsaje: do you expect it'll take long? i should be able to help out if needed. | 15:09 |
| nsaje | gordc: no, I think I'll have a patch up tomorrow | 15:09 |
| idegtiarov | gordc: DinaBelova and I have tested HA on a tree node devstack. Our results were shared with nsaje and cdent | 15:09 |
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| nsaje | idegtiarov: gordc : yeah, the partitioning code itself works. The problems with the central agent are due to the pollster<->discovery issue | 15:10 |
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| gordc | nsaje: sounds good. i think as long as patch is up we should be good. eglynn can make final decision. | 15:10 |
| nsaje | gordc: cool. One other thing is a subsequent partitioning patch (since it looks like the actual patritioning code is working) at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115237/ | 15:10 |
| nsaje | please take a look at it guys, so we can get it rolling | 15:11 |
| nsaje | that's it from me :) | 15:11 |
| idegtiarov | nsaje: will do | 15:11 |
| gordc | cool cool. i'll have a look. again thanks for work and don't hesitate to ask for help | 15:11 |
| nsaje | gordc: no problem, will do! | 15:11 |
| ildikov | gordc: nsaje: I don't think that eglynn would aim for that hard FF, especially in case of this patch | 15:11 |
| gordc | cdent: we all good on your end re: grenade survivability? | 15:12 |
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| gordc | ildikov: agreed. | 15:12 |
| cdent | Yeah, at this point it is just a matter of getting reviews and getting the gate to settle down; | 15:12 |
| cdent | swiftclient and sarah dashboard have caused some trouble in the last day or so | 15:12 |
| gordc | cdent: the gate will be the difficult part. | 15:12 |
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| cdent | s/sarah/sahara/ | 15:13 |
| gordc | those were the two items i've been tracking... | 15:13 |
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| gordc | any other concerns regarding j-3 items? | 15:14 |
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| gordc | moving on i guess. | 15:14 |
| ildikov | gordc: the last part of the admin guide is in WIP state on gerrit, I will try to finish it next week | 15:14 |
| gordc | ildikov: you have a link handy? | 15:14 |
| ildikov | gordc: but it's external from the Launchad PoV | 15:14 |
| ildikov | gordc: the last patch: https://review.openstack.org/116909 | 15:15 |
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| gordc | ildikov: cool cool. i'll have a look. | 15:16 |
| nealph | gordc: can you confirm that the doc build is stable and passing? I've been following the ml but wanted to verify for the sake of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113396/ | 15:16 |
| ildikov | gordc: but it is far from being ready for review now | 15:16 |
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| gordc | ildikov: ok. i'll give it a quick pass then. | 15:16 |
| gordc | nealph: the gate should be stabilised now... (haven't seen any random failures past few days) | 15:16 |
| nealph | gordc: cool, thanks. | 15:17 |
| ildikov | nealph: gordc's patch seemes to solve the wsme issue with the docs build | 15:17 |
| ildikov | gordc: cool, thanks, if you have any idea for the troubleshooting guide content, it's welcomed :) | 15:17 |
| gordc | ildikov: cdent and i are trying to figure out the wsme issues but we should be ok from ceilometer pov | 15:17 |
| cdent | gordc did you see the changes I committed last night? | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | folks, o/ sorry, was unavailable to attend the beginning | 15:18 |
| ildikov | gordc: yeap, I saw your discussion here yesterday, it would be good to know the root cause, but until the gate is stable we're fine | 15:18 |
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| cdent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116371/ | 15:19 |
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| gordc | cdent: yep seems good. dhellmann, jd__: wsme patch we're working on ^ | 15:19 |
| gordc | not a blocker since we have workaround | 15:19 |
| gordc | ok. so moving on | 15:19 |
| cdent | that's passing in the gate and it passes, consistently locally with multiple PYTHONHASHSEED variations | 15:19 |
| * dhellmann adds to his review list | 15:19 | |
| gordc | #topic Tempest status | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest status (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:20 | |
| gordc | dhellmann: thanks! | 15:20 |
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| gordc | DinaBelova: is this your update? | 15:20 |
| DinaBelova | well, kind of :) | 15:20 |
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| gordc | DinaBelova: it is now :) | 15:20 |
| gordc | go for it. | 15:20 |
| DinaBelova | as for the my unskipping change, it's failing now due to the issues with the glance, I guess | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | problem like 'we want to see image in one state, it's in other one' | 15:21 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: yeah, i noticed... seems like a different failure every sigle recheck. | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | I guess that's only logical blocker here | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, yes, indeed | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | I hope to see green lines soon | 15:21 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: i can't see it being related to unskipping telemetry test though. | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | as I'll them ping Sean to take a look on that | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | yeah, it has no actual link | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | ok, I'll ping him once again today | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | possibly it'll make some result | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | as the original issue was just gone | 15:22 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: that's what i think too. | 15:22 |
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| gordc | hopefully we can get that test back up and running soon. | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | as for the Tempest, I guess that's it actually | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | yeah | 15:23 |
| gordc | cool cool | 15:23 |
| gordc | anyone else have items relating to Tempest? | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | a-ha one moment | 15:23 |
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| DinaBelova | just forgot about some things we need to backport in ceilo and devstack to allow https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115971/ to be merged | 15:24 |
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| DinaBelova | that's change by cdent to tempest | 15:24 |
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| DinaBelova | currently it's blocked due to the fact swift + ceilo was disabled in the icehouse | 15:25 |
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| cdent | that whole stack of stuff seems to be hung up in the usual way: needs review, needs the gate to unsuck | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, one of this changes is yours https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116229/ | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116230/ - and this one to the devstack | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | devstack change has +2 already | 15:26 |
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| gordc | ok, i don't have stable release powers so you'll need to check with jd__ and eglynn to confirm ceilomter patch. | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | ceilo team needs to backport our change before the devstack | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | otherwise we'll have some problems with Sean :D | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 15:26 |
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| DinaBelova | will do | 15:27 |
| gordc | and that's all for tempest i'll assume | 15:27 |
| gordc | #topic TSDaaS/gnocchi status | 15:27 |
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| gordc | jd__: any updates here? | 15:27 |
| jd__ | just +2a on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116229 | 15:27 |
| jd__ | so I'm still working on archive policies | 15:28 |
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| jd__ | I've pushed a few patches but it's not complete yet | 15:28 |
| ildikov | jd__: you can kill me in front of everyone, not too much progress on my side | 15:28 |
| jd__ | I hope to finish soon, waiting for some feedbacks too | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, ildikov - about the dispatcher | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, hehe | 15:28 |
| jd__ | I noticed ildikov :) | 15:28 |
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| jd__ | that's all I go | 15:28 |
| jd__ | t | 15:28 |
| gordc | ildikov: we do that behind closed doors | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | probably idegtiarov might do that, but only if it won't be done next week :) | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | idegtiarov has the vacation next week :) | 15:29 |
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| ildikov | gordc: well, from my PoV, it does not make the situation better, I will be dead anyway by the end ;) | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | if it'll be still no progress there, he might take this role on him | 15:29 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: that's for openTSDB dispatcher? | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:29 |
| gordc | ildikov: no comment. :) | 15:29 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, no I'm about finishing this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98798/ | 15:30 |
| idegtiarov | ildikov: o, yep i will be glad to help with the dispatcher | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | collector dispatcher to plug gnocchi in the ceilo | 15:30 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: uh gotcha, i dont know why i just read dispatcher as driver | 15:30 |
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| DinaBelova | no-no :) | 15:30 |
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| gordc | sounds good. ildikov, DinaBelova i'll let you guys sync up on whether we want to handover work item. | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | ok :) | 15:31 |
| ildikov | DinaBelova: ok, if I'll not have anything working by the end of next week, we can discuss about that | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, ok, good | 15:31 |
| gordc | ildikov: cool cool thanks. | 15:31 |
| ildikov | DinaBelova: cool, thanks | 15:31 |
| gordc | no more pasta news i assume? | 15:31 |
| gordc | #topic Open discussion | 15:32 |
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| * cdent has nothing | 15:33 | |
| * DinaBelova neither | 15:33 | |
| DinaBelova | short meeting? | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 15:33 |
| cdent | \o/ | 15:33 |
| gordc | don't jinx it. | 15:33 |
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| ildikov | gordc: LOL :) | 15:33 |
| gordc | i'll give it a minute... | 15:33 |
| gordc | everyone watch the dial of your clock tick. | 15:34 |
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| nsaje | just a quick question, what's the status of Events in Ceilometer atm? | 15:34 |
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| gordc | jinx'd | 15:34 |
| nsaje | since they're coming up quite a lot lately, but I don't know if there's anyone actively maintaining that part of ceilo | 15:34 |
| nsaje | :) | 15:34 |
| gordc | nsaje: it's partially there? rax is heads down on stacktach so i don't believe we have an owner for it. | 15:34 |
| jd__ | sounds right | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | nsaje, all implemented for the mongo, hbase, and long ago for the sql | 15:35 |
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| gordc | there was some interest here locally on picking it up but i don't think we have anyone officially working on it. | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | idegtiarov implemented them for mongo and hbase | 15:35 |
| _nadya_ | nsaje: idegtiarov is an expert with events :) | 15:35 |
| ildikov | we have now full db driver coverage for the current events functionality | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | yeah :) | 15:35 |
| gordc | if anyone wants to start working on it that'd be awesome | 15:35 |
| idegtiarov | nsaje: Events are almost implemented this patch needs to be landed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112582/ | 15:35 |
| nsaje | gordc: I agree, it needs someone working on them, good topic for the summit I guess | 15:35 |
| ildikov | idegtiarov: on my list, almost there :) | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | folks, what do you mean by working on them? | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | lots of work has been done by idegtiarov :) | 15:36 |
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| gordc | nsaje: yeah. i think it's pretty important still. just wasn't on juno track because of other fires. | 15:36 |
| idegtiarov | ildikov: just for folks fyi | 15:36 |
| nsaje | expanding functionality to bring it on par with stacktach I guess | 15:36 |
| nsaje | DinaBelova: ^ | 15:36 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: there's a few events related bps still up that were never implemented/started | 15:36 |
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| DinaBelova | nsaje, a-ha, got it | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | just missed the stacktach word :) | 15:37 |
| gordc | i think we need to start testing it a bit more as well since i'm not sure how well events works tbh. | 15:37 |
| nsaje | gordc: exactly, me neither | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:37 |
| _nadya_ | ok, if you decided to continue the meeting I ask one thing :) | 15:38 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: yep. i mean stacktach would be an option for people looking for richer events support for short term... but it'd be nice to have events a bit richer in ceilometer as well | 15:38 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: go for it :) | 15:38 |
| _nadya_ | Migration in HBase is rather complicated thing. And may take a lot of time. What do you think if we have 2 migration scripts: for development version and for production? | 15:39 |
| _nadya_ | the problem is that we need map-reduce job for production I guess... | 15:39 |
| gordc | _nadya_: how have we been handling migration in dev so far? none i suppose? | 15:40 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: how would these two look like? | 15:40 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, ityaptin is working on it | 15:40 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: yep | 15:40 |
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| * DinaBelova searching the change - I supposed it was a draft | 15:40 | |
| _nadya_ | for development python script is ok, ityaptin has already provided a change request | 15:41 |
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| gordc | DinaBelova: _nadya_ : i see... not a hbase expert myself so it'd be good to have hbase driver as a viable optoin | 15:41 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, indeed | 15:41 |
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| _nadya_ | but if we are talking about gigabytes or terabytes we cannot just read-change-writeback in python script | 15:42 |
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| _nadya_ | it should be map-reduce job and possibly .jar-file that will be executed using Hadoop | 15:42 |
| gordc | hmm... i had a feeling the production version might require something unique | 15:43 |
| _nadya_ | I believe that if somebody would have production HBase then Hadoop will be available | 15:43 |
| gordc | is the production version something reusable or would it be dependent on the deployers environment? | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, well, it's very logical to use hadoop jobs to perform actions on the hbase data | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | that's kind of common pattern | 15:44 |
| _nadya_ | it's reusable | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | as people usually have hbase close to the hadoop | 15:44 |
| gordc | DinaBelova: cool cool. i'm just wondering where we'd store it. | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | gordc - some tools folder? | 15:45 |
| _nadya_ | btw ityaptin script #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115615/ | 15:45 |
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| DinaBelova | oh! | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | _nadya_, thanks | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | I have bad connection to the review.openstack.org | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | :( | 15:45 |
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| _nadya_ | gordc: yep, have the same question about where to store java (?) code | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | or some separated repo | 15:46 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: yeah i don't know if there's precedence... | 15:46 |
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| gordc | nealph: is monasca on stackforge? | 15:46 |
| fabiog_ | gordc: yes | 15:47 |
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| DinaBelova | fabiog_, oh, really? | 15:47 |
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| DinaBelova | I did not see their repo | 15:47 |
| _nadya_ | anyway, we have time to think about it :) I just wanted to note that python migration script is for dev only | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | >_< | 15:47 |
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| DinaBelova | _nadya_, ++ | 15:47 |
| gordc | fabiog_: cool cool. _nadya_ i guess stackforge could be an option if we decided to go down that route | 15:47 |
| ildikov | DinaBelova: yeap, it's been there for a while now | 15:47 |
| fabiog_ | DinaBelova: they are moving it, not sure they completed the transfer | 15:47 |
| gordc | _nadya_: agreed. start with dev version first. | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | hehe, ok | 15:47 |
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| _nadya_ | ok! thanks for discussion! | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, so please take a look on the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115615/ | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | ;) | 15:48 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: thanks for heads up | 15:48 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: gordc: we needed the migration because of a separator patch IIRC | 15:48 |
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| fabiog_ | gordc: here it is the link: https://launchpad.net/monasca | 15:48 |
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| ildikov | _nadya_: gordc: which version should it be dependent on? | 15:48 |
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| _nadya_ | ildikov: dev. it should depend on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115615/ | 15:49 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: ok, cool, thanks | 15:50 |
| _nadya_ | ildikov: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106376/ . idegtiarov could you please create a dependency? | 15:50 |
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| gordc | anything else? | 15:51 |
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| DinaBelova | _nadya_, I'll ping idegtiarov directly | 15:51 |
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| nsaje | wall of text inc. | 15:51 |
| gordc | last call... | 15:51 |
| nsaje | I have one more question regarding events: currently, the 'event' notification handler uses a dispatcher directly. Shouldn't it use a publisher to publish it to the collector, especially now that we'll be using notifications for publisher->collector communication and thus we have guarantees about not losing messages. We then even have an option to run a separate collector for events, with a different queue, that does retries if | 15:52 |
| nsaje | saving to db fails. | 15:52 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: k, thanks | 15:52 |
| nsaje | jd__: ^^ | 15:52 |
| nsaje | I seem to be ruining your plans today gordc :-) | 15:52 |
| gordc | no comment | 15:52 |
| jd__ | nsaje: what's the point to forward notifications again? | 15:52 |
| jd__ | collector is only handling samples | 15:53 |
| nsaje | jd__: I was having separation of concerns in mind | 15:53 |
| nsaje | jd__: collector is saving stuff to db so to say | 15:53 |
| nsaje | jd__: and they could make use of multi-publisher | 15:54 |
| jd__ | not sure it's worth it, especially considering collector might be bound to disapear | 15:54 |
| nsaje | jd__: ah, right, gnocchi | 15:54 |
| jd__ | well multi-publisher is kinda part of oslo.messaging | 15:54 |
| nsaje | jd__: ok then | 15:54 |
| jd__ | like you can provide several publishers | 15:54 |
| jd__ | maybe you can't provide complex URL, but that should be changed in oslo.messaging I'd say | 15:54 |
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| jd__ | otherwise I'm afraid we're going to add too many layers at that point | 15:54 |
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| jd__ | is anyone an SQLAlchemy ORM expert by any chance? | 15:55 |
| jd__ | I'm losing my mind. | 15:55 |
| nsaje | jd__: ok. It just struck me as odd since dispatchers are used in both notification-agent and the collector, that's all | 15:55 |
| gordc | nsaje: you can draft up a quick spec if anything... in case there's other ideas you had | 15:55 |
| gordc | jd__: use core | 15:55 |
| nsaje | gordc: haha, ok, I'll shut up now :-) | 15:55 |
| jd__ | gordc: :( | 15:55 |
| fabiog_ | nsaje: I would live events in a separate path | 15:56 |
| jd__ | gordc: you'd advocate dropping the ORM entirely? | 15:56 |
| fabiog_ | s/live/leave | 15:56 |
| cdent | jd__: I'm not an expert but I've certainly beat my head against it enough to have some experience | 15:56 |
| nsaje | fabiog_: there's no actual path at the moment, they just get in and written to db right away. That's why I wanted to put them through a pipeline actually (but that's a whole load of work, not short-term) | 15:56 |
| fabiog_ | gordc: speaking of SQL can you guys review this patch: https://review.openstack.org/116748 | 15:57 |
| gordc | jd__: i don't know... it seems a lot better performance-wise... and unless you're using relationships i don't really know what orm offers over core | 15:57 |
| gordc | jd__: mayeb something as Bayer... i can take a look at orm stuff if you want an extra pair of eyes | 15:57 |
| fabiog_ | nsaje: that is the most efficient way, they are already published by the services, why do you want to re-publish them? | 15:57 |
| ildikov | nsaje: how would that affect the performance/bandwidht? | 15:57 |
| gordc | to ask Bayer* | 15:58 |
| ildikov | nsaje: I asked because of what fabiog_ has just mentioned | 15:58 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, ok, let us know the result | 15:58 |
| gordc | just an fyi, you guys will probably need to move discussion over to #openstack-ceilometre | 15:58 |
| gordc | any other items? | 15:59 |
| nsaje | ok | 15:59 |
| fabiog_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-ceilometerclient/+bug/1351841 | 15:59 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1351841 in python-ceilometerclient "python-ceilometerclient does not works without v3 keystone endpoint" [High,Triaged] | 15:59 |
| gordc | let's move current discussion to ceilomter | 15:59 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 15:59 |
| ildikov | gordc: ok | 15:59 |
| gordc | fabiog_: real quick. | 15:59 |
| fabiog_ | I checked the bug and I discovered that port 35357 only advertize V3 | 15:59 |
| jd__ | ok SQLAlchemy expert, here's my problem http://paste.openstack.org/show/101806/ | 15:59 |
| fabiog_ | that's why all the V2 stuff fails | 15:59 |
| jd__ | you got 1 hour | 15:59 |
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| gordc | jd__: i got nothing | 16:00 |
| jd__ | wrong channel :D | 16:00 |
| jd__ | but you got the idea | 16:00 |
| gordc | alright, ew're out of time. | 16:00 |
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| gordc | ceilometer | 16:00 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 28 16:00:22 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-08-28-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-08-28-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 28 17:00:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
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| mtreinish | hi who is here today? | 17:00 |
| asselin | hi | 17:00 |
| * mlavalle is here | 17:00 | |
| jlanoux | o/ hi | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_August_28_2014_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | sdague, dkranz: you guys around? | 17:01 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: o/ | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | ok let's get started | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Review | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | so considering where we are in the cycle I don't think there should be too many open spec reviews to look at | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | but does anyone have an open spec review they'd like to bring up? | 17:03 |
| dkranz | Yes, the tempest config spec | 17:03 |
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| dkranz | I propose to submit a new spec for that which more reflects my vision for what could be done | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah, that seems fair, that one has been sitting without any updates from the author for quite some time | 17:04 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I plan to do that tomorrow. | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: but, if you can ping the guy who took it over from boris-42 and see what happened there that would be good too | 17:04 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I didn't know some one took it over. I'll take another look. | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | well someone else was the committer after the first rev. | 17:05 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes, I see. I will ping him with a comment and see if any one is actually working on this. | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | ok cool | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | are there any other specs reviews to bring up? | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | ok, then let's move on | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_August_28_2014_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | oops sry wrong link | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/juno | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | so looking at this list we still have a fair number of open bps | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | I've seen patches on quite a few | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have any status updates on a bp they're working on? | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | looking at the open high prio bps | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | mkoderer: the schema unification one is almost done right? | 17:10 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: client-checks-success is making a lot of progress. There were even two people grabbed the same service :) | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, are you guys using an etherpad or something for tracking? | 17:11 |
| jlanoux | dkranz: :D | 17:11 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes, but one guy didn't use it :( | 17:11 |
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| dkranz | jlanoux: Sorry that happened | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | heh, ok I guess it happens | 17:11 |
| dkranz | yup | 17:11 |
| jlanoux | dkranz: don't worry, there is no problem! | 17:11 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: is there any update on the status of javelin2? | 17:12 |
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| mtreinish | ok well if no one else has a status update on any other bps let's move on | 17:13 |
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| mtreinish | #topic git history with tempest-lib migration (mtreinish) | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | so I started working on doing the tempest-lib migration the other day | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | but I wanted to get a poll on how important people thought it was to maintain the git commit history from tempest | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | it's not very hard to do, but it's a manual process | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | because I didn't want to just clone tempest and widdle it away into a library | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | I put up my current working repo with the maintained history here: | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | #link https://github.com/mtreinish/tempest-lib | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | if we decided it wasn't important it would just be a matter of copy and pasting files from one repo to the other | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | oh, and I haven't closed the name survey yet, but unless something drastic happens the name will be tempest-lib :) | 17:18 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I have yet to look at the history except for very recent. | 17:18 |
| jlanoux | mtreinish: no mesocyclone then? | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well when I looked at all the other lib migrations/oslo graduations happening they all maintained the git log | 17:18 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: But you are still proposing to not do that | 17:19 |
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| mtreinish | I just wanted to see how important it was to everyone? Because it'll probably delay things a bit because I need to script my manual process for migrating files | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | I think it's the right thing to do | 17:20 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | honestly, I put this on the agenda before I figured out exactly how to do it :) | 17:20 |
| jlanoux | mtreinish: I think it's nice to keep the history | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | jlanoux: yeah, that's what I'm thinking | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | jlanoux: as for mesocyclone it only has 4 votes :( | 17:21 |
| jlanoux | Tempest has a lot of contributors and the history is a good way to keep track | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | while tempest-lib has 13 | 17:21 |
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| andreaf_ | mtreinish, +1 to keep history - it helps finding out who to ask in case of questions | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | ok, then before I publish the lib I'll write a file migration script to generate the merge commits automatically | 17:22 |
| asselin | I agree it's nice to keep history | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | because the issue is doing it piecewise instead of all at once | 17:22 |
| andreaf_ | mtreinish: and what the reason behind was - sometime docs only go into commit messages | 17:22 |
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| mlavalle | mtreinish: +1 keep history | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | ok, well I think that settles it then :) | 17:23 |
| asselin | mtreinish, there's folks in infra that are pulling out puppet scripts into their own repo. they may have a script to help | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | does anyone else have something to add about the tempest lib | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | asselin: ok cool, I'll take a look | 17:23 |
| asselin | mtreinish, he're their BP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99990/ | 17:24 |
| asselin | *here's | 17:24 |
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| mtreinish | asselin: yeah, that'll actually be different than what we need here | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | but we can talk about it in more detail after the meeting | 17:26 |
| asselin | ok | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | ok, then lets move on | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | jogo, sdague, dtroyer: around? | 17:26 |
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| dtroyer | \o | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: anything new in the world of grenade? | 17:27 |
| dtroyer | honestly it hasn't been at the top of my queue, and I think there are a few things I need to look at… | 17:27 |
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| mtreinish | ok, that's fine. It's the same for me which is why I was pinging other people :) | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | does anyone else have anything to bring up about grenade? | 17:28 |
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| mtreinish | ok I guess not :) | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | so let's go to the next topic | 17:29 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Neutron testing | 17:30 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: you around? | 17:30 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: hi | 17:30 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: slowly coming back to work after surgery | 17:30 |
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| mlavalle | mtreinish: this week conducting code reviews for a couple of provider networks api tests | 17:31 |
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| mlavalle | mtreinish: I will start converting the lbaas scenario test to tempets client | 17:31 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: and use that exercise to develop the scenario tests for new LBaaS api | 17:32 |
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| mlavalle | that's all I have at the moment | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | ok cool, thanks | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | does anyone else have any updates on neutron testing? | 17:32 |
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| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 17:33 |
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| mtreinish | so I dkranz_afk was planning a bug day, I can't remember the date | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | and I haven't seen a ML announcement yet | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | dkranz_afk: is there any update on that? | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | heh, I guess he went afk :) | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | we can come back to this if when he comes back | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | so let's move on | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | So does anyone have any reviews that they need to get extra eyes on? | 17:35 |
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| jlanoux | yes, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112535/ | 17:36 |
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| mtreinish | jlanoux: ok, I'll take a look at that after the meeting | 17:36 |
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| mtreinish | I actually have 2 myself this week: | 17:37 |
| jlanoux | mtreinish: thanks, it got a +2 from andreaf but I rebased | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/117049 | 17:37 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/111635 | 17:37 |
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| mtreinish | jlanoux: ok, yeah that's always annoying | 17:37 |
| jlanoux | mtreinish: indeed | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | does anyone else have any open reviews to bring up? | 17:38 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I decided day after Labor day was not a great choice for bug day. So I propose Sept 9 and will send out a message. | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok great, thanks | 17:39 |
| mlavalle | dkranz: good call | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | ok if there aren't any other reviews I guess we'll move to open discussion | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | #topic open discussion | 17:40 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I have one | 17:40 |
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| mtreinish | this is like the first time we've had enough excess time for this a while | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: sure go ahead | 17:40 |
| dkranz | "reverse liasons" for in-project functional tests | 17:40 |
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| dkranz | in-project functional tests will reduce the tempest review burden but it would be good to pay attention | 17:41 |
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| cdent | dkranz++ | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: in other words someone from qa-core helps the projects with spinning up functional testing? | 17:41 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes, and keeps an eye on things | 17:41 |
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| mtreinish | that sounds fine, but the only issue with that is that the number of projects outnumber the core team :) | 17:42 |
| dkranz | I have some concern about loss of the tempest two-step as I outlined in my email on the subject | 17:42 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Perhaps there needs to be a distinction between a "core" member of the qa program and a core on tempest repo | 17:42 |
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| mtreinish | well actually I was just thinking tempest and grenade in my count | 17:43 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: ok :) | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | but yeah I see what you're saying | 17:43 |
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| dkranz | But you don't need to be a core reviewer on the (new) tempest repo to do this | 17:43 |
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| dkranz | Just some one with the QA mindset | 17:44 |
| dkranz | To watch for in-project func tests being modified | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | I do share some of the same concerns as you on the functional testing bringup. But I think it's too early in the process to act on that | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | I agree keeping an eye on things would probably be good | 17:45 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: that's fine. I just wanted to open the discussion and get people thinking about this issue | 17:45 |
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| dkranz | because things were not so good before the tempest two step | 17:45 |
| dkranz | but awareness of api stability has also increased | 17:45 |
| dkranz | anyway, that's all for now | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | yeah, honestly tempest scope isn't going to shrink this cycle. This will definitely be a summit topic or 2 | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | I'm thinking I'm going to propose a cross-project track topic about it | 17:46 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: right. It should not shrink until there is a defined and adequate replacement | 17:46 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: speaking of which, when should we start summit planning etherpad? | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I'm going to start that up next week | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | and I'll put it on the ML | 17:47 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, cool | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | just to get us thinking about it | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | ok, does anyone else have a topic to bring up? | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | well if there is nothing else to discuss we can end early then | 17:49 |
| dkranz | bye all | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | which will be I think a first for this cycle :) | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 17:49 |
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| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:49 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-08-28-17.00.html | 17:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-08-28-17.00.txt | 17:49 |
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| mikal | Nova meeting in a few minutes... | 20:56 |
| mikal | Assuming I can do timezone maths... | 20:56 |
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| dansmith | yep | 20:57 |
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| mikal | Anyone here for this here meeting here? | 20:59 |
| alaski | o/ | 20:59 |
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| mriedem | yes | 20:59 |
| melwitt | here | 20:59 |
| mikal | We are one minute early... | 20:59 |
| mikal | So please hold... | 20:59 |
| mikal | mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto mzoeller funzo mjturek jcook | 21:00 |
| mikal | ^-- pings | 21:00 |
| funzo | thx | 21:00 |
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| mikal | Ok, let's go | 21:00 |
| jgrimm | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | #topic nova | 21:00 |
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| jogo | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | Anyone here for the nova meeting? | 21:00 |
| yjiang5 | o/ | 21:00 |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 21:00 |
| jgrimm | o/ | 21:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:00 |
| mriedem | are we actually logging? | 21:00 |
| melwitt | mikal: need to do the startmeeting I think | 21:00 |
| n0ano | mikal, maybe you should do a #startmeeting? | 21:01 |
| mikal | Oh, yeah | 21:01 |
| mikal | Doh | 21:01 |
| mikal | #startmeeting nova | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 28 21:01:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 21:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:01 |
| mriedem | gawd | 21:01 |
| mikal | So who is still here? | 21:01 |
| mikal | :P | 21:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:01 |
| melwitt | \o | 21:01 |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 21:01 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:01 |
| jgrimm | o/ | 21:01 |
| jogo | o/ | 21:01 |
| yjiang5 | o/ | 21:01 |
| dansmith | do we really need to take attendance before and after we start each time? | 21:01 |
| mikal | #topic Juno-3 status, September 4th Juno-3, FF and SF | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno-3 status, September 4th Juno-3, FF and SF (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| mikal | dansmith: its cool, it just gives people time to get ready | 21:02 |
| mikal | So... j-3 status | 21:02 |
| mikal | We still have four high priority bps needing review | 21:02 |
| mikal | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/juno-3 | 21:02 |
| adrian_otto | dansmith: no, you can always start it and cancel it if you judge you are not quorate. | 21:02 |
| mikal | I tried a week or so ago emailing openstack-dev and highlighting those | 21:02 |
| adrian_otto | so might as well start and then ask for attendees to chime in | 21:02 |
| mikal | That wasn't super successful | 21:02 |
| russellb | late o/ | 21:02 |
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| mikal | So the new tactic is that some cores are the lucky winners of personal pings asking for them to look at things | 21:03 |
| mikal | Which has actually had people reply to, which is cool | 21:03 |
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| mikal | If you're offended that you weren't pinged, then just review something anyways... | 21:03 |
| mikal | I think the BP I'm most worried about that's high is scheduelr at this point | 21:03 |
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| mikal | It hasn't had much core review compared with the others | 21:03 |
| mikal | So yeah, please keep reviewing BPs that are targetted to j-3 | 21:04 |
| mikal | Anything else people think should be mentioned here? | 21:04 |
| mriedem | dansmith: your megatuple? | 21:04 |
| mikal | Oh, we're also still looking for a volunteer to wrangle review days if anyone wants to give it a go | 21:04 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: I have that later on the list | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | ok | 21:05 |
| mikal | Move on then? | 21:05 |
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| yjiang5 | mikal: dansmith: I noticed the compute manager objectify BP is high while RT objectify is medium. Will that make the computer objectify not finished? | 21:05 |
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| mikal | yjiang5: those are long term tracking BPs | 21:05 |
| yjiang5 | I mean if only compute manager objectify, but no RT objectify | 21:05 |
| yjiang5 | mikal: got it. | 21:05 |
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| mikal | I'm not sure the priority really affects those much | 21:05 |
| dansmith | righ | 21:05 |
| dansmith | t | 21:05 |
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| dansmith | poorly named perhaps | 21:06 |
| mikal | Although, if any of those are "done" we should mark them implemented | 21:06 |
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| mikal | I guess once we hit feature freeze that might be more likely | 21:06 |
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| mikal | Anything else? | 21:06 |
| yjiang5 | mikal: dansmith: thanks for clarification. | 21:06 |
| mikal | NP | 21:06 |
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| mikal | #topic Bugs | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:07 | |
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| mikal | tjones: you around? | 21:07 |
| mikal | (autocomplete says not) | 21:07 |
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| mikal | There are 186 bugs marked as ready for review at the moment | 21:07 |
| mikal | So... It would also be nice to get some reviews happening on those | 21:07 |
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| mikal | Although I recognize that people are probably full steam onf FF stuff at the moment | 21:08 |
| mikal | No criticals in progress at least | 21:08 |
| jogo | mikal: don't forget the fun link http://54.201.139.117/nova-bugs.html | 21:08 |
| mikal | jogo: yeah, that's what I'm looking at, but hadn't linked to | 21:08 |
| mikal | #link http://54.201.139.117/nova-bugs.html | 21:08 |
| mikal | Are there any bugs we need to be extra worried about at the moment? | 21:09 |
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| salv-orlando | mikal: bug 1349617 is not yet prioritized - but seems nova is involved as well | 21:09 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1349617 in neutron "test_volume_boot_pattern fails in grenade with "SSHException: Error reading SSH protocol banner[Errno 104] Connection reset by peer"" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1349617 | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | it’s one of the top gate offenders. | 21:09 |
| mikal | salv-orlando: so, that sounds familiar | 21:09 |
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| mikal | We've had things like that before related to snapshot IIRC? | 21:09 |
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| mikal | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1349617 | 21:09 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1349617 in neutron "test_volume_boot_pattern fails in grenade with "SSHException: Error reading SSH protocol banner[Errno 104] Connection reset by peer"" [High,New] | 21:09 |
| jogo | and resize: bug 1323658 | 21:09 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1323658 in nova "Nova resize/restart results in guest ending up in inconsistent state" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1323658 | 21:09 |
| jogo | also a high gate issue | 21:10 |
| mikal | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1323658 | 21:10 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1323658 in nova "Nova resize/restart results in guest ending up in inconsistent state" [Undecided,New] | 21:10 |
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| mikal | Is anyone looking at those two yet? | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | jogo: footprints for 1323568 and 1349617 seem to overlap indeed | 21:10 |
| mikal | Or should we quickly change the topic to gate? | 21:10 |
| jogo | salv-orlando: hmm maybe the same bug, want to look into that a bit more? | 21:10 |
| mikal | These seem to fall under both | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | jogo: already doing that - seems issue with metadata/config drive not providing right user data or no user data at all | 21:11 |
| mikal | Huh | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | that’s why ssh then fails - wrong key loaded | 21:11 |
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| jogo | salv-orlando: doh | 21:11 |
| mikal | I haven't heard of anything like that before | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | see last comment on bug report forbug 1349617 | 21:11 |
| jogo | mikal: so I don't have a lot of bandwidth to dive into fixing some of these nova bugs at the moment | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | I just need some help to confirm it’s not a red herring, and if not what might be the cause | 21:11 |
| jogo | so a few volunteers besides mriedem and salv-orlando would be great | 21:11 |
| jogo | in addition to* | 21:12 |
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| mikal | jogo: agreed | 21:12 |
| mikal | That userdata bug does look interesting | 21:12 |
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| mikal | An possibly new | 21:12 |
| mikal | And even | 21:12 |
| mikal | Anyone got some spare cycles to take a look/ | 21:12 |
| mikal | ? | 21:12 |
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| mikal | #note we might have a bug where userdata is wrong in metadata server and config drive? | 21:13 |
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| mikal | Ok, well, instead of stalling I'll try and chase that tomorrow if someone doesn't beat me to it | 21:13 |
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| mikal | Moving on to gate in general... | 21:14 |
| melwitt | mikal: I'll take a look at it, I might not have enough experience to help though | 21:14 |
| mikal | melwitt: that would be awesome | 21:14 |
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| mikal | I think step one might be to dump the userdata somehow? | 21:14 |
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| mikal | And then see if gate logs confirm its wrong in those cases? | 21:14 |
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| jogo | melwitt: I am happy to help in any way I can I just can't drive it | 21:14 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:15 |
| mikal | Move on to gate in general then? | 21:15 |
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| mikal | #topic Gate | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:15 | |
| mikal | So, apart from those two bugs above, is there anything else about the gate we should know? | 21:16 |
| salv-orlando | jogo: I can take lead on this issue if nova team is ok with that. | 21:16 |
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| mikal | salv-orlando: we take bug fixes from anyone... | 21:16 |
| jogo | salv-orlando: I am definitely OK with that | 21:16 |
| mikal | But gettign melwitt to help sounds like a good idea to me | 21:16 |
| mikal | mriedem: jogo: the gate is all good apart from that? | 21:17 |
| jogo | mikal: so as a gate related note we have been hitting job quota for some time | 21:17 |
| mikal | jogo: that just means we queue right? | 21:17 |
| mikal | So life is slower, but not apocalytic? | 21:17 |
| jogo | bug 1353131 | 21:17 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1353131 in nova "Failed to commit reservations in gate" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353131 | 21:17 |
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| jogo | mikal: much slower | 21:18 |
| mikal | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353131 | 21:18 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1353131 in nova "Failed to commit reservations in gate" [High,Confirmed] | 21:18 |
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| jogo | bug 1357677 | 21:18 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1357677 in nova "Instances failes to boot from volume" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1357677 | 21:18 |
| mikal | Dude, if you usd link I'd be out of a job | 21:18 |
| jogo | bug 1357055 | 21:18 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1357055 in nova "Race to delete shared subnet in Tempest neutron full jobs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1357055 | 21:18 |
| mikal | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1357677 | 21:18 |
| jogo | bug 1273292 | 21:18 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1357677 in nova "Instances failes to boot from volume" [Undecided,New] | 21:18 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1273292 in nova ""Timed out waiting for thing ... to become in-use" causes tempest-dsvm-* failures (dup-of: 1270608)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1273292 | 21:18 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1270608 in cinder "n-cpu 'iSCSI device not found' log causes gate-tempest-dsvm-*-full to fail" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1270608 | 21:18 |
| mikal | Sigh | 21:18 |
| jogo | bug 1349147 | 21:18 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1349147 in nova "test_db_api unit tests fail with: UnexpectedMethodCallError: Unexpected method call get_session.__call__(use_slave=False) -> None" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1349147 | 21:18 |
| mriedem | how many are we doing to do here? | 21:18 |
| jogo | bug 1357578 | 21:18 |
| uvirtbot` | Launchpad bug 1357578 in nova "Unit test: nova.tests.integrated.test_multiprocess_api.MultiprocessWSGITest.test_terminate_sigterm timing out in gate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1357578 | 21:18 |
| mriedem | we could just link to the e-r status page | 21:19 |
| mriedem | :) | 21:19 |
| jogo | mriedem: enough to make mikal mad | 21:19 |
| mikal | mriedem: apparently every bug ever? | 21:19 |
| * mikal has given up on minuting them | 21:19 | |
| * salv-orlando think jogo has a script for that | 21:19 | |
| mikal | So... | 21:19 |
| jogo | mikal: those are bugs that have more then 3 fails in 24 hours | 21:19 |
| mikal | What are the, say, three bugs you want looked at? | 21:19 |
| mikal | There's salv-orlando's two | 21:19 |
| mikal | And one other? | 21:19 |
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| jogo | mikal: all the nova ones on http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ | 21:20 |
| mikal | Or are you just trying to highlight that people should read the e-r report? | 21:20 |
| jogo | starting at the top | 21:20 |
| jogo | mikal: yes | 21:20 |
| jogo | and that nova is one of the worst offenders of gate bugs | 21:20 |
| mikal | Ok, cool | 21:20 |
| mikal | So noted | 21:20 |
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| mikal | Anything else for gating? Or do we move on? | 21:21 |
| mikal | #topic Mid-cycle meetups | 21:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mid-cycle meetups (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:21 | |
| mikal | I finished writing the nova summary | 21:21 |
| mikal | #link http://www.stillhq.com/openstack/juno/000016.html | 21:21 |
| mikal | I also went to the ops meetup this week | 21:21 |
| mikal | They don't seem too filled with rage | 21:21 |
| mikal | I think it was a useful exercise | 21:22 |
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| mikal | #topic Specs for Kilo | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs for Kilo (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:22 | |
| mikal | Ok, so... | 21:22 |
| mikal | I think we should open specs for Kilo basically now | 21:22 |
| mikal | Because there are people who are only intersted in kilo specs at this point | 21:22 |
| mikal | But set the expectation that we wont review anything until later | 21:23 |
| mikal | Thoughts? | 21:23 |
| jogo | I would prefer not to open them | 21:23 |
| jogo | it sends the wrong message | 21:23 |
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| mikal | Which is? | 21:23 |
| n0ano | better than nothing, when do you think reviews will truly start? | 21:23 |
| dansmith | I don't see what the point is | 21:23 |
| jogo | we have way to much to do for Juno as is, we don't need the distraction | 21:23 |
| mikal | dansmith: in opening them? | 21:23 |
| mikal | I don't think its a distraction for us | 21:23 |
| dansmith | mikal: yeah | 21:24 |
| mikal | We just ignore them for now | 21:24 |
| russellb | mikal: i think it makes sense to open them fwiw | 21:24 |
| mikal | It saves us from having to explain over and over why they're not open yet | 21:24 |
| russellb | like you said, if people are going to work on them regardless | 21:24 |
| mikal | Which I've done at least three times now | 21:24 |
| russellb | might as well let them use the tool | 21:24 |
| mikal | Yeah, there are some people who just wont close bugs or help review | 21:24 |
| jogo | it still sends the wrong message | 21:24 |
| russellb | instead of pushing it out elsewhere | 21:24 |
| jogo | if people don't want to close bugs or help reviews they honestly shouldn't file specs | 21:24 |
| russellb | gives visibility into what's happening regardless | 21:24 |
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| russellb | some folks also realistically would be working on both | 21:25 |
| n0ano | jogo, but limbo (Juno frozen, Kilo not open) is even worse I think | 21:25 |
| jogo | I don't want visibility it is a distraction | 21:25 |
| russellb | bugs and planning for next cycle i mean | 21:25 |
| mikal | jogo: well, if we're going to require specs at the summit it also gives people more time to prepare | 21:25 |
| jogo | mikal: that is a fair point | 21:25 |
| mikal | jogo: its only a distraction if you look at them | 21:25 |
| jogo | what is the timeline for summit stuff? | 21:25 |
| mikal | jogo: I find the questions over and over a bigger distraction to be honest | 21:25 |
| jogo | mikal: it still sends a really bad message IMHO | 21:25 |
| jogo | mikal: I am happy to answer it instead | 21:26 |
| mikal | jogo: timeline as in when we announce the schedule etc? | 21:26 |
| jogo | also I think we want to rev the specs template a bit | 21:26 |
| jogo | mikal: when we start accepting summit proposals and when we have to decide | 21:26 |
| dansmith | "opening kilo specs" means creating the directory, right? anyone can submit a spec in the kilo directory now, AFAIK | 21:26 |
| mikal | So, my plan is to let the ideas etherpad bake a bit longer | 21:26 |
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| mikal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-summit-topics | 21:26 |
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| mikal | dansmith: that is true I suppose | 21:27 |
| dansmith | that is why I don't see the point of doing anything | 21:27 |
| mikal | jogo: I'm not sure, I need to chase ttx for that | 21:27 |
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| jogo | so if we are going to open up kilo for submissions | 21:27 |
| mikal | I think creating an empty directory does no harm | 21:27 |
| jogo | we need to rev the spec first | 21:27 |
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| jogo | err template | 21:27 |
| mikal | And we can always rev the template later and make people update if we really need to | 21:27 |
| mikal | Lost of people who are rebasing will need to anyways | 21:28 |
| dansmith | I think once we're official about it, people will start pinging for review | 21:28 |
| jogo | I still think this sends the compleatly wrong message | 21:28 |
| mikal | Lots even | 21:28 |
| jogo | we don't want more specs right now | 21:28 |
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| dansmith | "not official review, of course, but could you just take a quick look please?" | 21:28 |
| jogo | even if we aren't going to look at them | 21:28 |
| jogo | dansmith: to that I would say hell no | 21:28 |
| mikal | dansmith: that's a fair point | 21:28 |
| jogo | personally | 21:28 |
| mikal | So, if not now, when? | 21:28 |
| dansmith | right, it's goign to make me angry | 21:28 |
| mikal | Its going to have to be before release... | 21:28 |
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| russellb | master == kilo at rc1, based on past process anyway | 21:29 |
| jogo | mikal: how about once we have full feature freeze in place? | 21:29 |
| jogo | at least that way we are done looking at Juno blueprint reviews | 21:29 |
| mikal | Ok, so... 3 September ish? | 21:29 |
| mikal | I could live with that | 21:29 |
| jogo | wow that soon | 21:30 |
| dansmith | well, right after FF is going to be a hectic time as well of course | 21:30 |
| russellb | likely some exception requests after that | 21:30 |
| dansmith | I think jogo meant "well after.." | 21:30 |
| dansmith | russellb: right, that | 21:30 |
| russellb | so could be 2 weeks | 21:30 |
| russellb | week to FF, another week to sort the exception rush | 21:30 |
| mikal | 17 September? | 21:30 |
| jogo | dansmith: after we are done with all juno blueprints | 21:30 |
| dansmith | or we could round up to 1-Oct | 21:30 |
| jogo | FF and all | 21:30 |
| jogo | FFE and all * | 21:31 |
| mikal | Well, it has to be before we flip the branch, right? | 21:31 |
| mikal | Otherwise people will be bottlenecked on working on master when we do | 21:31 |
| jogo | mikal: not necessarily, we have 1000 bugs to fix | 21:31 |
| dansmith | whatever, I don't care that much, it just seems like in or around FF time is the wrong time to do it | 21:32 |
| mikal | 2 October is the absolute latest I'd be willing to do it | 21:32 |
| alaski | I'm +1 for the 1-Oct idea | 21:32 |
| dansmith | purely from a distraction, bandwidth, and annoyance pov | 21:32 |
| jogo | so 1-oct works for me | 21:32 |
| mikal | Does anyone want later than 1 Oct? | 21:32 |
| russellb | RC1 *could* happen before that | 21:32 |
| russellb | it'd be a little awkward to wait until after master is open for kilo i think | 21:33 |
| mikal | russellb: yeah, agreed. 25 Sept right? | 21:33 |
| russellb | but otherwise, waiting until after FF and such makes sense | 21:33 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 21:33 |
| russellb | yeah | 21:33 |
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| mikal | So... rc-1? 25 Sept or later, whenever that happens? | 21:33 |
| jogo | yeah that sounds good | 21:34 |
| jogo | that is the earliest I want to do it | 21:34 |
| jogo | rc1 | 21:34 |
| alaski | when master is open for Kilo seems like the right cutoff to me | 21:34 |
| mikal | Ok, RC1 it is then | 21:34 |
| mikal | #note K specs will open at Juno RC1 | 21:34 |
| jogo | dansmith: thouhts ^ | 21:34 |
| jogo | thoughts | 21:35 |
| mikal | #note There might be a template update before that | 21:35 |
| dansmith | sure, whatever | 21:35 |
| mikal | Ok, when we do that I also want to do some rearranging in the Juno directory | 21:35 |
| mikal | But we don't have to argue about it now | 21:35 |
| mikal | I mentioned it on the mailing list | 21:35 |
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| mikal | Basically signalling what actually merged vs was approved | 21:35 |
| mikal | Probaby with this new fangled directory technology | 21:36 |
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| jogo | so there was a similar discussion about 6 months ago when we were setting up the specs system | 21:36 |
| jogo | I don't remember what the result was, but I think we talked about this | 21:36 |
| russellb | i remember talking about it :) | 21:36 |
| russellb | i don't remember how we ended where we are though | 21:36 |
| mikal | I think we can do somehting now based on how we've learned people use this information | 21:36 |
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| mikal | It would be confusing to leave unimplemented things as approved | 21:37 |
| russellb | mikal: i think your proposal was good (differentiating what got done vs didn't) | 21:37 |
| mikal | Its totally paperwork | 21:37 |
| mikal | Let's not spend more than 5 minutes arguing about it | 21:37 |
| mikal | And just do something | 21:37 |
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| russellb | i think keeping record of the state of a design as approved, even if not implemented, is good too | 21:37 |
| mikal | As in, its totally not a big deal | 21:37 |
| russellb | like a "unfinished" or whatever you want to call it dir | 21:37 |
| russellb | i think you said that in your mail | 21:37 |
| mikal | Yeah, that's the idea | 21:37 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:37 |
| mikal | I like that someone agrees with me for once | 21:38 |
| russellb | yep +1 from me at least | 21:38 |
| mikal | You get a gold star | 21:38 |
| russellb | heh | 21:38 |
| mikal | #topic Summit session ideas etherpad | 21:38 |
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| mikal | So, I mentioned this a second ago | 21:38 |
| mikal | But just in case... | 21:38 |
| mikal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-summit-topics | 21:38 |
| mikal | The idea is to brain storm what is important to discuss at the summit | 21:38 |
| mikal | Much like we did for the last couple of mid-cycles | 21:38 |
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| mikal | And then prioritize that list in a bit once we've collected all the things | 21:38 |
| mikal | So, please check it out | 21:38 |
| mikal | And add stuff we've missed | 21:39 |
| mikal | Moving on... | 21:39 |
| mikal | #topic SRIOV patch set big issues | 21:39 |
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| mikal | dansmith: you wanna run with this? | 21:39 |
| dansmith | yeah, so, | 21:39 |
| dansmith | there is code up for the SRIOV thing, which I've been reviewing lately | 21:39 |
| dansmith | and there are two things that really concern me about it, but I know it's important for a lot of folks | 21:39 |
| dansmith | one is the fact that it adds another thing to the neutron megatuple, which further complicates that code and confuses the issue in the non-neutron code by mangling that set of tuples late | 21:40 |
| dansmith | I've got patches up to refactor that: | 21:40 |
| dansmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:refactor-megatuple,n,z | 21:40 |
| russellb | nice work on that refactor | 21:40 |
| russellb | i've started reviewing it ... was in meeting hell most of the day though | 21:40 |
| dansmith | which hopefully we can agree is an improvement and get those in ahead of the SRIOV patches | 21:40 |
| dansmith | however, the second problem concerns me a lot more, and isn't quite as easy to solve | 21:41 |
| mriedem | that series is nearly ready | 21:41 |
| mikal | dansmith: many are +A already it seems | 21:41 |
| dansmith | mikal: yes, we've been working hard over the last couple days to get that in place in short order, | 21:41 |
| dansmith | much thanks to mriedem for quick turnaround reviews | 21:41 |
| dansmith | the second problem is that the PCI stuff stashes some details in a dict structure, which it serializes to JSON, | 21:42 |
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| dansmith | and stores into a system_metadata key | 21:42 |
| dansmith | this is bad because those are limited to 255 characters, | 21:42 |
| dansmith | so if all of this generated data becomes >255 characters when serialized, the instance boot breaks in a strange way, | 21:42 |
| dansmith | and in a way the user can't really do anything about | 21:42 |
| mikal | Which seems not great | 21:42 |
| dansmith | the existing implementation is really at fault, and needs to be changed, but adding more things to there just gets us closer to breaking at 255 chars for more common situations | 21:43 |
| jogo | thoughts on just punting this to Kilo. we have no shortage of important things | 21:43 |
| mikal | How likely is it to be too long? | 21:43 |
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| mikal | Is it easy to do? | 21:43 |
| dansmith | mikal: I think that with a couple of PCI devices you could overrun it, yeah, depending on how things fall | 21:43 |
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| russellb | would refactoring to use something like the new instance_extra table be enough? | 21:44 |
| dansmith | like, if you wanted a GPU and an inbound/outbound NIC, youd' be over I think | 21:44 |
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| dansmith | right, so that is one option, | 21:44 |
| mikal | Ugh | 21:44 |
| dansmith | is stash this alongside the numa stuff in that new text area, | 21:44 |
| dansmith | which should presumably be doable without much trouble, | 21:44 |
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| dansmith | and hopefully objects can help us migrate the actual data live | 21:44 |
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| dansmith | like, pull it from both places on read, but just save to the new location, etc | 21:45 |
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| mikal | Makes sense to me | 21:45 |
| russellb | a full system_metadata refactor seems unreasonable given time frame, i guess | 21:45 |
| russellb | but maybe that's a sensible middle ground? | 21:45 |
| dansmith | so, I bring this up because (1) I think it's not something we should merge in its current form and (2) we need quick agreement on if/how we are going to solve it | 21:45 |
| mikal | A system_metadata schema migration would likely hurt deployers too | 21:45 |
| dansmith | we could punt, but lots of people want this | 21:45 |
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| dansmith | mikal: right, we don't want to do that now I think.. too late | 21:45 |
| jogo | dansmith: lots of people want lots of things | 21:46 |
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| mikal | dansmith: agreed | 21:46 |
| dansmith | jogo: I know, I'm not saying punting is off the table, I'm saying we need to decide | 21:46 |
| mikal | jogo: well, if instance_extra is trivial for them to do, I think we should at least give them the chance to do that | 21:46 |
| russellb | jogo: but there are people willing to do this work, so seems reasonable to let it get done, right? | 21:46 |
| dansmith | jogo: I've already done a lot to make it work on the neutronapi side in the last 48 hours, | 21:46 |
| mikal | Could we charge them for the refactor in bug fixes? (joking) | 21:46 |
| dansmith | so I kinda don't want it to be for naught, but if there is no support, then we should punt | 21:47 |
| mikal | Sounds like jogo is the only one who prefers punting here? | 21:47 |
| jogo | dansmith: how about giving them a window | 21:47 |
| mikal | Any other takers? | 21:47 |
| mikal | jogo: that would be fair | 21:47 |
| russellb | jogo: feature freeze? | 21:47 |
| mikal | FF? | 21:47 |
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| russellb | that's what FF is for right? :) | 21:47 |
| jogo | so give them x days to get this into a good state | 21:47 |
| mikal | russellb: agreed | 21:47 |
| jogo | russellb: well yeah | 21:47 |
| dansmith | meaning it has to be *up* before FF? | 21:47 |
| dansmith | and that we'll give this an FFE to get merged? | 21:48 |
| mikal | dansmith: I think so | 21:48 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:48 |
| mikal | We shouldn't punish them for our review bandwidth problems | 21:48 |
| dansmith | the other way to look at this is: | 21:48 |
| dansmith | instead of this just being more feature, | 21:48 |
| dansmith | this actually makes our existing PCI stuff less stupid, IMHO | 21:48 |
| dansmith | not much less, but, a little less | 21:48 |
| mikal | Well, "more reliable" might eb the marketing way of saying that... | 21:48 |
| jogo | dansmith: that is a fair point | 21:48 |
| dansmith | mikal: er, yeah, let's go with that one :) | 21:49 |
| mikal | LOL | 21:49 |
| mikal | Ok, sounds like we have a plan? | 21:49 |
| russellb | "make it suck less" | 21:49 |
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| mriedem | on the plus side, megatuple will be gone for a big chunk of shitty stuff | 21:49 |
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| mriedem | regardless | 21:49 |
| dansmith | yeah, death to the megatuple is goodness | 21:50 |
| russellb | makes pci less sucky, and neutronapi less sucky | 21:50 |
| mikal | #note Ask SRIOV people to refactor PCI pass through to use instance_extra instead of system_metadata to avoid hitting the 255 chars limit. Dan Smith to provide guidance. Deadline for refactor is feature freeze. | 21:50 |
| dansmith | it's a small dent in neutronapi's overall suckiness, but.. | 21:50 |
| jogo | ++ to less badness | 21:50 |
| mikal | ^-- a fair summary? | 21:50 |
| dansmith | yep | 21:50 |
| mikal | Done | 21:50 |
| jogo | works for me | 21:50 |
| mikal | Nothing else on this? | 21:50 |
| mikal | #topic Open discussion | 21:51 |
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| mikal | You have nine minutes, use them wisely | 21:51 |
| mikal | Really, nothing? | 21:51 |
| mikal | OMG, early mark? | 21:51 |
| jogo | I plan on revving https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116699 and related todaay | 21:51 |
| jogo | the blueprints for kilo page | 21:52 |
| mikal | "Add plan for kilo blueprints: when is a blueprint needed" | 21:52 |
| mikal | jogo: sounds good | 21:52 |
| jogo | and the next patch about priorities | 21:52 |
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| mikal | Nothing else? | 21:52 |
| dansmith | mikal: I have a question | 21:52 |
| mikal | dansmith: go for it | 21:53 |
| dansmith | mikal: may I have an early mark? | 21:53 |
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| mikal | dansmith: yes | 21:53 |
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| melwitt | heh | 21:53 |
| mikal | Mostly because you didnt make fun of the phrase... | 21:53 |
| mikal | Which I insist is English | 21:53 |
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| mikal | Sounds like we're done | 21:53 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:53 |
| mikal | Is that you waving good bye or asking a question? | 21:54 |
| mikal | http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/97013/is-early-mark-only-used-in-australia-and-new-zealand | 21:54 |
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| mikal | #endmeeting | 21:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 28 21:54:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-08-28-21.01.html | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-08-28-21.01.txt | 21:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-08-28-21.01.log.html | 21:54 |
| russellb | it was bye, heh | 21:55 |
| russellb | i guess that is confusing. | 21:55 |
| mikal | Especially with my class room reference | 21:55 |
| mikal | But whatevers | 21:55 |
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