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| HenryG | akamyshnikova, jlibosva, salv-orlando: Hi | 12:59 |
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| akamyshnikova | hi | 12:59 |
| jlibosva | hello | 12:59 |
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| HenryG | Looks like salv-orlando is not here today | 13:00 |
| HenryG | We can have a short meeting. | 13:00 |
| HenryG | #startmeeting neutron_db | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 8 13:00:29 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_db' | 13:00 |
| HenryG | #topic Migration Unit Tests | 13:00 |
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| HenryG | akamyshnikova: can you give an update? | 13:01 |
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| akamyshnikova | yes, my update is that I talked with two oslo.db guys rpodolyaka and victors. They try to help, but we still didn't come to anything. | 13:02 |
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| HenryG | OK | 13:03 |
| HenryG | So I have some thoughts on the tests ... | 13:04 |
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| HenryG | I am not sure if there is much value any more in testing all the plugins. | 13:04 |
| HenryG | It may be more value at this point to select just ML2 and have a migration test in jenkins | 13:05 |
| HenryG | Something that will catch errors in migration scripts proposed in gerrit | 13:06 |
| HenryG | Migrations in the past are not that interesting | 13:06 |
| HenryG | What do you think? | 13:07 |
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| akamyshnikova | HenryG, I was thinking about something like that.. | 13:08 |
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| akamyshnikova | I think if I with oslo.db guys don't come to any other solutions to the end of this week, this will be the only variant. | 13:09 |
| HenryG | Thanks akamyshnikova | 13:10 |
| akamyshnikova | HenryG, is this sound ok? or we should hurry up? | 13:10 |
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| HenryG | I think it is high priority to get the script test in Juno, so perhaps just create a second code review using the same bug. | 13:12 |
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| akamyshnikova | HenryG, ok | 13:14 |
| HenryG | That will allow you to keep working on the all-plugins tests if there is new progress to made there. | 13:14 |
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| akamyshnikova | HenryG, yeah, thanks for this idea! | 13:15 |
| HenryG | Another thought I had was: is it possible to check migrations against models in unit tests? | 13:15 |
| HenryG | Maybe it can be done with some HACKING rules? | 13:16 |
| HenryG | It gets kind of boring to manually review people's migrations and models. | 13:17 |
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| HenryG | Let's give that some thought and discuss at next weeks | 13:17 |
| HenryG | meeting. | 13:18 |
| akamyshnikova | HenryG, hm... I'm a bit confused. My test is checking that models and migrations are the same. About what extra checks are you talking? | 13:18 |
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| HenryG | akamyshnikova: Sorry, I meant without needing the openstack_citest user/database, which most developers don't set up locally. | 13:20 |
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| HenryG | Sort of a lower barrier to checking. | 13:21 |
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| akamyshnikova | HenryG, I see, I don't think about that in this way. I think after this test will be merged there was not such problem as checking that they are the same manually, as it will tests but unit tests. | 13:22 |
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| HenryG | Yes, you are right. They will get -1 from Jenkins. | 13:22 |
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| HenryG | And we can educate on how easy it is to set up the openstack_citest account/db for local testing. | 13:23 |
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| akamyshnikova | I think we test will be merged I will write an email with detailed description what and how now is checked. | 13:24 |
| akamyshnikova | *when the test will be merged | 13:24 |
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| HenryG | akamyshnikova: Great! I will help with that. There is also developer docs, README for testing, etc. | 13:26 |
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| akamyshnikova | HenryG, thanks! | 13:26 |
| akamyshnikova | HenryG, I appreciate your help :) | 13:26 |
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| HenryG | akamyshnikova: Any time! | 13:27 |
| HenryG | #topic Open discussion | 13:27 |
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| jlibosva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117913/ | 13:28 |
| jlibosva | I think we should do the same as we did with the migrations after icehouse, don't we? | 13:28 |
| HenryG | Can you elaborate? | 13:29 |
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| jlibosva | I saw a patch from Salvatore implementing decorators that would skip modification of table if the table doesn't exist | 13:31 |
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| HenryG | That might work. We should discuss that with Salvatore though. | 13:33 |
| HenryG | jlibosva: Can you put that in a comment in the review? | 13:34 |
| akamyshnikova | jlibosva, HenryG this one link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109768/ | 13:34 |
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| jlibosva | akamyshnikova: ooh, yes. Thanks! | 13:35 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: will do | 13:35 |
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| akamyshnikova | jlibosva, np :) | 13:37 |
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| jlibosva | Just one note: I'm gonna abandon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112928/ per our discussion on previous meetings | 13:38 |
| jlibosva | that we will go with head.py for Juno and hopefully for Kilo I'll come up with something usable. | 13:39 |
| HenryG | Yes, agreed. Thanks jlibosva | 13:39 |
| HenryG | Anything else to discuss? | 13:40 |
| jlibosva | nope | 13:41 |
| akamyshnikova | nope | 13:41 |
| HenryG | Thanks! | 13:42 |
| HenryG | #endmeeting | 13:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 8 13:42:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-09-08-13.00.html | 13:42 |
| akamyshnikova | thanks! bye! | 13:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-09-08-13.00.txt | 13:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-09-08-13.00.log.html | 13:42 |
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| jlibosva | thanks, have a great week | 13:42 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 8 16:00:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:00 |
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| bhavenst | hi | 16:01 |
| akuznetsova | hello) | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | let's wait for others a little bit | 16:01 |
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| nmakhotkin_ | hi! | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's start | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Action Items | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | we didn't actually have action items for the last week except the same ongoing thing related to discussion different workflow types | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | one thing that Fuel folks want us to do is implement a workflow type based on task priorities | 16:04 |
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| bhavenst | Hard priorities or weighting? | 16:05 |
| bhavenst | Just curious | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | it's when basically we specify a bunch of tasks with priorities and Mistral figures out the order of execution | 16:05 |
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| dzimine | hi all. | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | bhavenst, it's just a general idea | 16:05 |
| bhavenst | Sounds pretty non-deterministic | 16:05 |
| bhavenst | cool | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | details are to be discussed :) | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | most likely next week I'll be able to tell more exactly | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | when I get familiar with what they do in Fuel | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | hi Dmitri ) | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | ok, so let's move on | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | let's quickly report everyone's status | 16:07 |
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| bhavenst | Started looking into our (Ericsson) blueprints for mistral. Haven't managed to discuss w/ author, but found a little more doc. Have a few questions and plan to discuss a bit today. | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | my status: designed how policies and engine instructions (like 'pause', 'fail') should work, made a bunch of changes related with policies, a lot of bug fixes and reviews | 16:08 |
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| akuznetsova | I have written suite of integration tests for CLI v2, i'm planning to stark working on test for API v2 | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | bhavenst, cool, I included a topic about that, we'll get to it | 16:08 |
| bhavenst | great | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, were you able to find out what the problem was with v2 tests? | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | 'no reply on topic..' thing | 16:09 |
| _nmakhotkin | last week I finished work on client v2 and CLI | 16:10 |
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| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, me not, Nikolay can tell more about it | 16:10 |
| _nmakhotkin | also I implemented policies: wait-before, wait-after and retry | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:10 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, I asked _nmakhotkin to help me and he said that he knows what the problem is | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | _nmakhotkin, can you briefly tell about that? Do we know exactly what happens? | 16:11 |
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| _nmakhotkin | fake rpc_backend doesn't work as expected | 16:11 |
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| _nmakhotkin | only in engine v2 | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | do we know how to fix it? | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | _nmakhotkin? | 16:13 |
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| _nmakhotkin | not yet, but we'll find a way to fix it | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | I hope there's nothing serious | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, all client related patches have been merged in | 16:15 |
| dzimine | good. | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | can we borrow Kirill for a couple of days now? :) | 16:15 |
| dzimine | later this week, yes. | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Release 0.1 progress (go through the list of what's left) | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/0.1 | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | this is a page with information about the release we're now working on | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | basically, the only thing we haven't touched so far is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-engine-instructions | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | which is on me, I'm planning to start working on it tomorrow | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | it should take about two days | 16:17 |
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| _nmakhotkin | I forgot to say - guys who work on UI for actions/tasks ask me today and they need endpoint for actions | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | and the second one which we've only scratched a little bit is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-ui | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | hopefully, it won't take too long as well | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | _nmakhotkin, I've already made some changes related to this. May be I'll do it tomorrow, it should take about an hour or less | 16:19 |
| _nmakhotkin | yes :) | 16:20 |
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| _nmakhotkin | just for information | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | anyways, we can spread it between two of us so that everything is ready by the moment Kirill starts working on UI changes | 16:20 |
| akuznetsova | will I have enough time to test it? cause i've never seen our ui ) | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | :))) | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | sure | 16:20 |
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| akuznetsova | it's good | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | so the overall picture now is that we're mostly on target with the release | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | but I assume we may not be able to finish everything up | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | by the end of the week | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | mostly I mean some docs, all the testing, maybe small bugs | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | so it may take 2-3 days longer | 16:23 |
| _nmakhotkin | .. and demo :) | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | on REST API/Client/CLI I guess the only thing that left is actions, correct? | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | _nmakhotkin, akuznetsova? | 16:24 |
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| _nmakhotkin | yes, correct | 16:24 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, "maybe small bugs" - you are optimistic) | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | :) I am | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, nmakhotkin, enykeev: Add action into REST API/Client/CLI | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | Nikolay, did you have time to look at action params etc.? | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | you know what I mean.. | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | so that we could see some info on actions when we type 'mistral action-list' or more specifically 'mistral action-get nova.servers_get' for example | 16:27 |
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| _nmakhotkin | yes, I try to do it | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | info about their parameters and, if possible, short description taken from docstrings | 16:28 |
| _nmakhotkin | maybe tomorrow | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:28 |
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| _nmakhotkin | Merlin guys also asked me about it ) | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | #action nmakhotkin, we should see action parameters and description (if possible) when calling API | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, Timur asked me about that too | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | otherwise, it will be a nightmare to work with all this huge number of actions | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | we should be able to help somehow | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | do what we can do | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | ok, workflow policies are mostly done, right? | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, folks from Fuel asked us about one more policy | 16:30 |
| akuznetsova | _nmakhotkin, will we have filters in actions? for example mistral action-list type=nova ? | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | which should be pretty simple to implement | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | timeout | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, yes, good call | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | currently they're not implemented | 16:30 |
| dzimine | oh yes, timeout as a task policy, especially on async tasks. | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, yep ) | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | it actually escaped from my head somehow even though it's very important | 16:31 |
| _nmakhotkin | if we want it, it will be | 16:31 |
| akuznetsova | _nmakhotkin, is it the same like tags in workflow/workbook? | 16:31 |
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| akuznetsova | i mean implementation | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | #action nmakhotkin, enykeev: Implement filters on REST API endpoints which work with multiple items (such as /tasks, /workbooks etc.) | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | no, it's not really the same | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | tags are not used anywhere now | 16:32 |
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| _nmakhotkin | we can use tags in our UI | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | but I see what you're going to akuznetsova | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | ...where... | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | and potentially we can do filtering based on them too | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | a little bit different type of filtering | 16:34 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, should i create a blueprint for filters or it is part of some existing? | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | well, I guess it should be a part of existing BPs | 16:34 |
| dzimine | I suggest a blueprint - so we can prioritize it. | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | but let's check real quick.. | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | no, it's not a part of BPs | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, can you create it for us pls? | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, agree | 16:35 |
| akuznetsova | yes, sure | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | thanks a lot! | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | so other than that I think we're good | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | except Nikolay found some bugs with action/workflow parameters | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | not even bugs | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | we just need to do some enhancements | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | #action nmakhotkin, rakhmerov: make it possible to use different data types in action/workflow params (None, False/True, numbers, expressions) | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | ok, we have about 20 mins left | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | guys, I included an item to discuss Metrics Collector BPs | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | let's switch to it now | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Metrics collector BPs | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | so basically we have two BPs: | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | 1. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-metrics-collector | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | 2. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-metrics-collector-api | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | submitted by folks from Ericsson | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | The idea seems to be pretty interesting to me and I think at this point we could let Bryan (or anyone else) start working on them | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | so I would ask all of you to take a look at them, leave your comments/remarks/questions | 16:42 |
| bhavenst | Yeah, would definitely appreciate that | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | the main thing here is to stay consistent with the rest of the system in terms of design, terminology etc. | 16:42 |
| bhavenst | The way it's written, it would persist nothing in Mistral db, but use Ceilometer for that. So that's one question I have. | 16:43 |
| bhavenst | if that's best | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | I got the general idea but I think we just need to polish details | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | sounds good to me | 16:43 |
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| bhavenst | And then architecture of either a) fixed set of measurements or b) some way to create custom measurement | 16:43 |
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| bhavenst | and finally for API, should there be a new endpoint or put it on top of the existing endpoints | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | at this point I see it as a new endpoint | 16:44 |
| bhavenst | OK | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | I think it makes sense to separate this because it's sort of special functionality | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | reporting | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | which may not be even related with individual objects but rather providing averages and other integral (not sure it's the right word :) ) information | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | so I'm 99% sure it should be separate | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | as far as set of measurements it's a little hard to tell now | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | I would suggest that we start digging into that first and may be create some more detailed spec (a simple etherpad would be fine) | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | with description of what exactly we're going to implement | 16:48 |
| bhavenst | OK will do | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | and then let our imagination do a job of improving, polishing and making it more flexible etc etc | 16:49 |
| bhavenst | Like I said, I'll talk to the author as well. It's mostly obvious but maybe he can give some more details regarding intended purpose etc | 16:49 |
| bhavenst | Sounds good | 16:49 |
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| akuznetsova | btw, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-items-filtering | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks :) | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | bhavenst, you mean Sergey? | 16:50 |
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| bhavenst | yeah exactly | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | is he from Ericsson too? | 16:50 |
| bhavenst | Yes | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:50 |
| bhavenst | He might have had an @conceptwave.com mail address or something earlier, but Ericsson now. | 16:51 |
| bhavenst | Oh I see was @gmail | 16:51 |
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| bhavenst | yeah, he's in our project | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | #action bhavenst: start working on Metrics Collector, the first step is to make the requirements more detailed and capture them in a specification document (e.g. etherpad) | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | btw, there are other folks who asked us about similar thing | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | from Rackspace | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | it was one of their major requirements for some reason ) | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | but it was around 10 months back when we just started the project | 16:53 |
| bhavenst | ok good to know | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | btw, I can actually share a document they've written with you | 16:53 |
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| bhavenst | I guess they didn't formulate any | 16:53 |
| bhavenst | oh great | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | it was a detailed whitepaper | 16:54 |
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| bhavenst | Then I can try to merge the two as part of the action pt | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | but I have to ask their permission first though | 16:54 |
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| bhavenst | sure | 16:54 |
| bhavenst | no problem | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, merging I think is a good idea | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | from my perspective, I don't clearly see how it should be integrated with Ceilometer | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | but I'm not a Ceilometer expert, I just may need to digg some info on that | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | or we could discuss it either personally or in IRC | 16:57 |
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| bhavenst | I have to dig into it as well :) | 16:57 |
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| rakhmerov | :) | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | it's normal | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | OpenStack is huge | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | almost endless | 16:57 |
| bhavenst | We have one of the core ceilometer folks here in E/// so can talk to her too | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | great | 16:57 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, bhavenst, please keep us posted on this work and feel free to ask anything you want | 16:58 |
| bhavenst | will do | 16:58 |
| bhavenst | thanks | 16:58 |
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| akuznetsova | we have a couple of 'ceilometer' guys in our location (me and _nmakhotkin ) | 16:58 |
| bhavenst | ok, good to know! | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, you know Ceilometer well? | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, we've almost done here hah? ) Have to free the room | 16:59 |
| akuznetsova | me - no) i know who knows | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, alright | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, guys | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks for coming! | 16:59 |
| _nmakhotkin | bye! | 16:59 |
| bhavenst | bye | 16:59 |
| akuznetsova | bye | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | have a good one ) | 16:59 |
| bhavenst | same to you | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 8 16:59:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-09-08-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-09-08-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-09-08-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| dguitarbite | we have meeting today rite? | 17:01 |
| rluethi | sarob: ping | 17:01 |
| dguitarbite | lets start the meeting | 17:01 |
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| rluethi | ah, there he is. | 17:02 |
| dguitarbite | yeah | 17:02 |
| sarob | Sorry about that | 17:02 |
| * dguitarbite make way for almighty sarob | 17:02 | |
| rluethi | np. | 17:02 |
| dguitarbite | np | 17:02 |
| sarob | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 8 17:03:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:03 |
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| sarob | #topic docs | 17:03 |
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| dguitarbite | docs is under slow transition for Icehouse | 17:03 |
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| dguitarbite | partly its my mistake, I did not get enough time to update them due to my busy schedule | 17:04 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: can you help me out with the docs? | 17:04 |
| dguitarbite | to update/modify them for Icehouse | 17:04 |
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| sarob | I'm slammed this week, but yes I | 17:04 |
| sarob | Can help | 17:04 |
| dguitarbite | sure, thanks :) | 17:05 |
| dguitarbite | I think sayali has taken up the bug for associate guide | 17:05 |
| sayali_ | yep | 17:05 |
| dguitarbite | I am almost done fixing the basic-install-guide for Icehouse | 17:05 |
| dguitarbite | needs another brushup | 17:05 |
| dguitarbite | operator guide is left, which needs serious refactoring for now | 17:05 |
| dguitarbite | sayali_: thanks | 17:06 |
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| annegent_ | dguitarbite: what's the status of bringing back any changes you've made to install guide? | 17:06 |
| annegent_ | dguitarbite: are they icehouse only? | 17:06 |
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| dguitarbite | annegent_: we are thinking of releasing Icehouse first and then focus on Juno | 17:06 |
| sarob | That's my pref | 17:07 |
| dguitarbite | I am still not sure if training guides needs should publish content one release later or with the current release | 17:07 |
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| dguitarbite | what do you guys think? | 17:08 |
| sarob | I'd like to stay current | 17:08 |
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| rluethi | We depend on distros to make the packages available in time, or the scripts won't work. | 17:08 |
| matjazp | there is a small lag for the training content, but we should be current | 17:08 |
| sarob | Stay with the rest of the docs program | 17:08 |
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| rluethi | i.e. we can install what's not in the repo, we don't do devstack. | 17:09 |
| dguitarbite | hmm, ok | 17:09 |
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| * rluethi wonders if there's some form of chair inheritence | 17:09 | |
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| * dguitarbite problem solved | 17:10 | |
| rluethi | phew :) | 17:10 |
| dguitarbite | :D | 17:10 |
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| sarob | Hey colinmcnamara | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | I think we should not have to worry about the package preferences | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | hello colinmcnamara | 17:11 |
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| sarob | Rluethi: why would we? | 17:12 |
| rluethi | sarob: do what? | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: we need the distro packages for our labs section and install section | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | we cannot use the repositories like devstack except may be for the developer guides | 17:13 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite: ah right | 17:13 |
| rluethi | sarob: we can't install juno if ubuntu repos don't have them. | 17:13 |
| colinmcnamara | hey guys | 17:14 |
| rluethi | hey colinmcnamara | 17:14 |
| matjazp | rluethi: whats the usual lag for repos? | 17:14 |
| matjazp | hey colinmcnamara | 17:14 |
| sarob | Rluethi: so canonical is about 1 month behind stable | 17:14 |
| dguitarbite | We should ask the install guides people and the distros maintainers for this issue, Im pretty sure they have their unstable (not exact term) repos | 17:14 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I agree | 17:14 |
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| sarob | Afternoon colinmcnamara | 17:14 |
| dguitarbite | lets move on, we could continue this discussion on the docs channel later on. Any questions for the docs sub team? | 17:15 |
| rluethi | sarob: that means our scripts will lag somewhat, too; but I certainly wouldn't like us to always be a full release behind. | 17:15 |
| colinmcnamara | afternoon Sarob: | 17:15 |
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| dguitarbite | afternoon colinmcnamara good to see you | 17:15 |
| colinmcnamara | :) | 17:15 |
| sarob | #topic infra | 17:16 |
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| sayali_ | The audio visual content is in progress. Need everyone's inputs and opinions on it | 17:16 |
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| sayali_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstck-training-guides%28Audio_Visual_Content%29 | 17:17 |
| rluethi | sayali_: I missed the memo on this. is there a link? | 17:17 |
| rluethi | nm. | 17:17 |
| dguitarbite | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstck-training-guides%28Audio_Visual_Content%29 | 17:17 |
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| sayali_ | The etherpad link was sent out on the mailing list and it is on the wiki | 17:18 |
| sarob | Sayali_: so these are slides or topics to be covered on video? | 17:18 |
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| sayali_ | Well initially I was thinking we could have them as seperate slides and or combine some | 17:19 |
| sayali_ | for instance for controller node we could combine it in one video | 17:19 |
| rluethi | sayali_: which mailing list? | 17:19 |
| sayali_ | where as in the basic install guides we maintain the modularity | 17:20 |
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| sarob | Sayali_: so we would just cover the training guide books? | 17:20 |
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| sayali_ | rluethi, <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> | 17:20 |
| sarob | Sayali_: I'm confused | 17:20 |
| rluethi | sayali_: ah. that explains a lot :). | 17:21 |
| matjazp | don't we use Docs ML? | 17:21 |
| sayali_ | sarob, yes we could start with that | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite | sayali_: we use openstack-docs mailing list | 17:21 |
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| sayali_ | sarob, I am open to not following the training guide structure and building a new structure covering all the content | 17:22 |
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| sayali_ | dguitarbite, oops, my bad. Will send it on that | 17:22 |
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| sarob | Sayali: I'd start by just recording teaching each book to a user group and/or class | 17:22 |
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| matjazp | sayali_: hmm.. that will complicate things | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | sayali_: following current content initially would be a good start | 17:23 |
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| sayali_ | sarob, I was also considering having the videos as a screenshare of what is being deployed | 17:23 |
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| sarob | Sayali_: that sounds good too | 17:23 |
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| sayali_ | instead of just an audio book | 17:24 |
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| sarob | Sayali_: keep it simple. Just help deliver the training guide content | 17:24 |
| sayali_ | matjazp, Initially it would, but we might cover more content without repitition in that case | 17:24 |
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| sarob | Sayali_: we may do more someday, but let's do that as a team | 17:25 |
| dguitarbite | I agree | 17:25 |
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| dguitarbite | should we vote on this? | 17:25 |
| sayali_ | sarob, alright so we keep the structure similar to the training-guides? | 17:25 |
| sayali_ | sure sarob | 17:25 |
| sarob | Sayali_: yes please | 17:25 |
| matjazp | sayali_: not the structure per se, but content should augment training guides | 17:26 |
| sarob | Sayali_: making good video quality is hard enuf on its own | 17:26 |
| sarob | What he said | 17:26 |
| sarob | As the place to start | 17:27 |
| sayali_ | sarob, yes we need to decide on what we would be using for the recording too | 17:27 |
| * dguitarbite has a question | 17:27 | |
| matjazp | sarob: that's why we should use clips already recorded (summits, etc.) | 17:27 |
| sarob | Matjazp I like that | 17:27 |
| dguitarbite | who will record the videos (if required)? | 17:27 |
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| sarob | The next upstream training at the summit would be awesome | 17:28 |
| sarob | Sayali_: who records? | 17:28 |
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| sayali_ | sarob, I can do it | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: we could also use the videos from hackathons | 17:29 |
| matjazp | at summit, there's already a professional recordings | 17:29 |
| sarob | Sayali_: go ahead and write down what your plans are into your section on the wiki | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | and may be try to keep 20-30 mins in the hackathon for creating audio visual content | 17:29 |
| sayali_ | sarob, anybody else who wants can help too, once we decide on what would render good video recordings | 17:29 |
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| sarob | Sayali_: focus on the operations of making video to start | 17:30 |
| sayali_ | sarob, sure thing | 17:30 |
| sarob | Sayali_: augmenting the existing training materials | 17:30 |
| sayali_ | sarob, yep | 17:31 |
| sarob | Sayali_: once we get that down, we can move onto new ideas | 17:31 |
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| sarob | Sayali_: thx for picking this up | 17:31 |
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| sayali_ | sarob, glad to help :) | 17:32 |
| sarob | #action sayali_ updates av wiki section with plans | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | next thing, about the labs section | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | the openstack cluster builds, VMs are running | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | the current issue is that the VM's (openstack instances) do not get DHCP and metadata | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | hence cannot be accessed from the host machine | 17:33 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite virtualbox bug? | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I am not sure if its virtualbox bug, or its something to do with ML2 | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | I had complete cluster running for Grizzly | 17:34 |
| matjazp | wireshark? | 17:34 |
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| dguitarbite | with DHCP and metadata | 17:34 |
| matjazp | and see where packets die? | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: I use tcpdump, ip, etc. to do this | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | Neutron seems to work fine | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | it may be something to do with libvirt/qemu/kvm/ml2 | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | the OVS tunnels work fine | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | I am trying to use VLAN tagging instead of GRE to see if that works | 17:35 |
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| dguitarbite | the packets seems to reach the compute node, after that I am lost (for now) | 17:35 |
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| rluethi | I plan to start looking into this, too. I have spent the past week tracking down a particularly elusive filesystem corruption bug. | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: thanks | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | I hope its not due to hardware limitations and I wish this issue to be resolved without having to tweak any code | 17:36 |
| sarob | We can put it out on ask | 17:36 |
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| dguitarbite | yes, I think we should | 17:36 |
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| sarob | And link it back to a bug | 17:36 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: I'm not sure if it should be logged as a known bug yet | 17:37 |
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| matjazp | are we sure its a bug? or is it a misconfiguration | 17:37 |
| dguitarbite | I need some more people to test it and confirm if its the same issue for them too | 17:37 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite your call | 17:37 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: even if its a misconfiguration, its a bug for training guides labs | 17:38 |
| rluethi | sarob: agree with dguitarbite, we don't really know what the problem is yet. | 17:38 |
| matjazp | rluethi: I tried it, and yes, no DHCP | 17:38 |
| dguitarbite | we wont be logging a bug under neutron or nova for sure at present till we are extremely sure | 17:38 |
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| matjazp | or metadata | 17:38 |
| sarob | As soon as the scripts are going, I want to put the call out to the operators ML | 17:38 |
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| sarob | To start using as part of training | 17:38 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: this can be used for associate guides training to certain extent | 17:39 |
| dguitarbite | if hardware is the limitation | 17:39 |
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| dguitarbite | for hackathos etc. for now | 17:39 |
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| rluethi | KVM backend would be helpful for debugging that kind of issues. redundancy helps. | 17:39 |
| sarob | More people using good thing | 17:39 |
| sarob | Right? | 17:39 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: yes | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | we are about 99% there with the scripts | 17:40 |
| rluethi | sarob: as soon as it is usable. | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | we may put it under BETA tag and start spreading the word around | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | should we vote on this? | 17:40 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: it should work first | 17:40 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: everybody knows that the last % takes half the time. | 17:40 |
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| rluethi | agree with matjazp. | 17:41 |
| matjazp | these scripts will be used by beginners and they will be confused | 17:41 |
| sarob | Sure, what are voting on? | 17:41 |
| rluethi | doesn't have to be perfect, but no known major issues. | 17:41 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp, rluethi: ok, then I will log this as a known bug under training guides labs section and fix this issue | 17:41 |
| matjazp | no IPs are major issue | 17:41 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: indeed :). | 17:41 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I think I got my answer, I wanted to know if we should advertise training labs | 17:41 |
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| sarob | Ah right | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: I agree | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite will log a bug about the DHCP issue in openstack training labs | 17:42 |
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| sarob | And I will notify the sfbay user group | 17:43 |
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| sarob | about 5k people | 17:43 |
| sarob | Should provide good feedback when you are ready | 17:44 |
| sarob | Moving on | 17:44 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: sure, that would be awesome | 17:44 |
| sarob | #topic upstream training patches | 17:44 |
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| dguitarbite | there are two issues in my mind: 1. This review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119264/ | 17:45 |
| dguitarbite | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119264/ | 17:45 |
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| dguitarbite | this review adds odp presentation which is a binary, should we let this through? | 17:45 |
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| matjazp | look at review comments | 17:45 |
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| matjazp | we should merge this | 17:46 |
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| dguitarbite | matjazp: ok, I saw the comments but I dont see a +1 or +2 :) | 17:46 |
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| sarob | I'll add my +2 | 17:47 |
| matjazp | my bad | 17:47 |
| matjazp | fixed | 17:47 |
| matjazp | :) | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite | so I got confused | 17:47 |
| sarob | I need get on the horse | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite | sure, lets merge them | 17:47 |
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| matjazp | ahh.. to quick.. There's still Rogers comments to fix | 17:48 |
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| sarob | Oops, I guess I can fix and patch | 17:49 |
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| matjazp | sarob: yes, do that | 17:50 |
| sarob | So what's this about pushing landslide | 17:50 |
| sarob | From the last meeting | 17:51 |
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| sarob | You want to merge a stable version to training guides? | 17:51 |
| sarob | Or something else? | 17:52 |
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| sarob | Dguitarbite .... | 17:52 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I dont follow about pushing landslide | 17:52 |
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| sarob | There was an action from the last meeting | 17:53 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: ah, yes | 17:53 |
| sarob | Dbite will push python tool | 17:53 |
| dguitarbite | I was trying to figure out where the python tool goes into | 17:53 |
| dguitarbite | ajaeger and I decided to push the python scripts to openstack-doc-tool | 17:54 |
| dguitarbite | so that it runs landslide, builds the html and pdf files | 17:54 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite ah okay. Nice | 17:54 |
| dguitarbite | similar to the maven part it handels as of now | 17:54 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: nice | 17:54 |
| dguitarbite | and it could also be a gate test in jenkins | 17:54 |
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| * sarob likes | 17:55 | |
| dguitarbite | for future slides | 17:55 |
| dguitarbite | but it will take some time, 2-3 weeks | 17:55 |
| * sarob automakic good | 17:55 | |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: in the mean time, we do it manually | 17:55 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite thanks for getting that going | 17:55 |
| dguitarbite | yes, I will push it on wiki | 17:55 |
| dguitarbite | the steps to do it manually its not that difficule | 17:55 |
| dguitarbite | *difficult and also provide the barebone python scripts for the same | 17:56 |
| sarob | Good wiki fooder | 17:56 |
| dguitarbite | yes | 17:56 |
| sarob | #topic incubation | 17:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "incubation (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 17:56 | |
| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite will continue working on python scripts to provide PDF for HTML as a part of openstack-doc-tools | 17:56 |
| sarob | So how does the team feel about asking the TC for this? | 17:56 |
| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite will update the wiki for manual steps to build the presentations to PDF format | 17:57 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: should we keep this as the priority discussion for next weeks meeting? | 17:57 |
| sarob | Let's do that | 17:57 |
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| rluethi | sarob: may be a bit early. I'd give it another week or two. | 17:58 |
| dguitarbite | we are kind of out of time and I think we need to prepare a bit more on this | 17:58 |
| sarob | I'm not sure what incubation gets us at this point | 17:58 |
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| sarob | Let's talk about it next week | 17:58 |
| sarob | #action speak of incubation at next meeting | 17:58 |
| sarob | #topic any other business | 17:59 |
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| sarob | Real quick like | 17:59 |
| dguitarbite | I think we are out of time now :| | 17:59 |
| dguitarbite | im good | 17:59 |
| rluethi | I got nothing. | 17:59 |
| sarob | Me too | 17:59 |
| dguitarbite | lets talk on docs channel if requried | 17:59 |
| MeganR | I'm good | 17:59 |
| sarob | Cheers ! | 17:59 |
| matjazp | next meeting | 17:59 |
| MeganR | Bye | 17:59 |
| dguitarbite | thanks a lot, bye | 18:00 |
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| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 8 18:00:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-09-08-17.03.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-09-08-17.03.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-09-08-17.03.log.html | 18:00 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 8 18:00:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:00 |
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| anteaya | hello | 18:00 |
| anteaya | anyone here? | 18:00 |
| dougwig | hiya | 18:00 |
| lyxus | Hello ! | 18:00 |
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| anteaya | great | 18:00 |
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| anteaya | welcome | 18:00 |
| anteaya | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 18:01 |
| ignacio-scopetta | o/ | 18:01 |
| anteaya | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | our mission just to keep us on course | 18:01 |
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| emagana | hello all! | 18:01 |
| anteaya | welcome to anyone who is here for the first time | 18:01 |
| anteaya | and hello to all yon regular folks | 18:02 |
| anteaya | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | #info third party team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99990/ | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | so this merged | 18:02 |
| anteaya | and we had some reviews from some third party people | 18:02 |
| anteaya | thank you | 18:02 |
| anteaya | ociuhandu and daya_k thanks for your reviews | 18:02 |
| anteaya | did I miss anyone? | 18:03 |
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| anteaya | so that spec is all about creating individual puppet modules so that they are more easy for third party to consume | 18:03 |
| anteaya | so we will follow progress on that | 18:03 |
| anteaya | and folks are welcome to help out (read: encouraged) | 18:04 |
| anteaya | #topic Announcements | 18:04 |
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| anteaya | so if we go here | 18:04 |
| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo | 18:04 |
| anteaya | here are all the lists for openstack | 18:04 |
| anteaya | near the bottom of the page you will see two new ones | 18:04 |
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| anteaya | third-party-announce which you all should be subscribed to | 18:04 |
| anteaya | since this is the location we make announcements, like if your system is disabled and how to get it re-enabled | 18:05 |
| anteaya | and the other is third-party-requests | 18:05 |
| anteaya | note the name change | 18:05 |
| anteaya | it was originally third-party-request | 18:05 |
| anteaya | but we had to change the name since -request is a reserved word for mail servers | 18:06 |
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| anteaya | any questions here? | 18:06 |
| lyxus | anteaya, For help in the third party, which ml should we use | 18:06 |
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| anteaya | lyxus: good question | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | -dev or -infra for now | 18:06 |
| anteaya | for questions about how to operate a specific tool, the -infra list is the best place | 18:06 |
| anteaya | since that was the point of -infra in the first place | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | third-party-announce is meant to be low traffic | 18:07 |
| lyxus | perfect ! Wanted to double check ! | 18:07 |
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| anteaya | sure | 18:07 |
| anteaya | anything else here? | 18:07 |
| anteaya | moving on | 18:08 |
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| anteaya | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:08 |
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| anteaya | there are no agenda items here | 18:08 |
| anteaya | anyone representing a program with any items? | 18:08 |
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| anteaya | moving on | 18:08 |
| anteaya | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:09 |
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| anteaya | well since we are after feature freeze, most deadlines have passed I do believe | 18:09 |
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| anteaya | and anything that is going to be deprecated is being deprecated | 18:09 |
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| anteaya | so I don't expect much here until we get into K-1 at the very least | 18:10 |
| anteaya | so we can move on, unless anyone needs to speak up | 18:10 |
| jungleboyj | Just an update from Cinder. | 18:10 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: go | 18:10 |
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| jungleboyj | We are working to get everyone to stabilize their CI processes. Duncan is going to propose patches to remove anyone who hasn't at least started the process of getting a third-party job up and running. | 18:11 |
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| asselin__ | o/ | 18:11 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: good to know | 18:11 |
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| jungleboyj | Since the deadline has long passed. | 18:11 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: yes | 18:11 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: anything else? | 18:11 |
| jungleboyj | Nope, that was all I had. Thanks anteaya | 18:12 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: thanks for the update | 18:12 |
| anteaya | anything else here? | 18:12 |
| anteaya | moving on | 18:12 |
| emagana | jungleboyj: +1 | 18:12 |
| anteaya | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:12 |
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| anteaya | #info CI validation process (emagana) | 18:12 |
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| anteaya | emagana: your floor | 18:12 |
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| emagana | sure anteaya | 18:13 |
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| emagana | just a brief summary. Neutron has a very long already list of plugins and drivers | 18:13 |
| emagana | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron_Plugins_and_Drivers#Existing_Plugin_and_Drivers | 18:14 |
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| emagana | They were providing "results" and testing commits in a very heterogenous way | 18:14 |
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| emagana | So, I proposed an audit a few weeks back based on positive and negative commits: | 18:14 |
| emagana | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114393/ | 18:15 |
| anteaya | can we have a definition of your use of heterogenous for the non-english speakers in the crowd? | 18:15 |
| emagana | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114629/ | 18:15 |
| emagana | anteaya: Absolutely! | 18:15 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114393/ | 18:15 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114629/ | 18:15 |
| dougwig | anteaya: having no uniform standards. | 18:16 |
| anteaya | great thank you | 18:16 |
| emagana | By heterogenous I mean that those CI systems were not following the same rules for triggering their tests and they were not posting results on the same format (or the same logs) | 18:16 |
| anteaya | great | 18:16 |
| emagana | finally, some of them were not even testing realistic environments (this is why I included the negative tests) | 18:16 |
| emagana | the outcome was really good, we got the following enhacements: | 18:17 |
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| emagana | 1) Neutron team establish minimal CI testing requirements for Juno release | 18:18 |
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| emagana | 2) 60%~ of Neutron CIs improved their testing and convert their testing in a more homogenous path | 18:19 |
| emagana | 3) Clear view of which plugins/drivers should be deprecated | 18:19 |
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| emagana | 4) Better CI community after all! | 18:20 |
| anteaya | yay! | 18:20 |
| anteaya | great work here emagana | 18:20 |
| anteaya | your two patches asking ci systems to calibrate against is a great direction | 18:20 |
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| anteaya | well done | 18:20 |
| emagana | 5) Neutron team, will spend some time during Kilo summit to stablish hard requirements for the next release | 18:20 |
| anteaya | great, hopefully that session won't conflict with other things I can sit in and listen | 18:21 |
| emagana | So, I encourage all other project to do the same | 18:21 |
| anteaya | awesome | 18:21 |
| emagana | Open Actions: | 18:21 |
| emagana | How to make this "audit" an automated process ( I really invested a lot of time) | 18:21 |
| dougwig | neutron feedback from Juno - the standards are great, but i think we should consider: 1) not changing them 3 times within one cycle (yes, neutron really did), and 2) providing a 3-4 week on-boarding time, when you can be live but not commenting, so you can get things stable without spamming the community with false negatives. right now the review rules are | 18:21 |
| dougwig | so rigid that you either submit your code 2 months early, or you push an immature CI on everyone. | 18:21 |
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| anteaya | emagana: I am really grateful for the time you spent on this | 18:22 |
| anteaya | emagana: and yes, having some sort of automated mechnism would be great | 18:22 |
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| emagana | dougwig: feedback well taken, this is why I have requested already to Neutron PTL some summit time to discuss the standards and do NOT change them during the release cycle | 18:23 |
| anteaya | emagana: can you add an item to tomorrow's infra meeting agenda, to show them these patches and get it on their radar too so that they can start thinking about automation as well? | 18:23 |
| emagana | anteaya: I can but I wont be able to attend tomorrow's meeting. I have a full training day | 18:24 |
| anteaya | emagana: ah okay next tuesday perhaps? | 18:24 |
| emagana | anteaya: absolutely! | 18:24 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:24 |
| sweston | emagana: thank you, this is wonderful work! | 18:24 |
| anteaya | dougwig: I hear you, and this is part of the growing pains we are going through | 18:24 |
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| emagana | sweston: Thanks! I want to thank for CI owners for supporting this effort and not getting mad at me!! :-) | 18:25 |
| anteaya | since we are all trying to find the best path through with no successful role model we make mistakes | 18:25 |
| anteaya | dougwig: so having your feedback, hopefully at the summit will be helpful, will you be at summit? | 18:25 |
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| dougwig | anteaya: yes, i wil | 18:26 |
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| dougwig | i will | 18:26 |
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| anteaya | dougwig: great | 18:26 |
| sweston | emagana: :-). The topic of automation is not new, if you ping me after your training, later in the week, I would be happy to discuss a few of my thoughts with you | 18:26 |
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| emagana | sweston: sounds good! I will do that! | 18:26 |
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| krtaylor | sweston, lets put it on the agenda for next week | 18:26 |
| anteaya | and then hopefully the two of you can share them will the rest of us | 18:26 |
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| amotoki_ | Another question is how much time we have before fixing a problem when our CI gets broken. In a small team all members can take vacations at the same timing. | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | sweston, emagana - good for a summary next week? | 18:27 |
| anteaya | depends on what is breaking and how it is affecting others | 18:27 |
| emagana | krtaylor: Sure! | 18:27 |
| amotoki_ | what is the best practice? One idea is to disable our CI to avoid any problem. | 18:27 |
| sweston | krtaylor, anteaya: yes, will do. | 18:27 |
| anteaya | amotoki_: to disable when you all are on vacation, you mean? | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | amotoki, we always try to have someone "on call" | 18:28 |
| amotoki_ | anteaya: yes :-( | 18:28 |
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| krtaylor | amotoki, its part of having a public facing service for developers | 18:28 |
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| anteaya | amotoki_: well at the very least tell me when you all are going away then if there are problems, we will just disable, not wait to hear from you | 18:29 |
| emagana | Now! I want to add something.. A rumor has it that All vendor-specific plugins and drivers may get removed from the main tree!!!! | 18:29 |
| amotoki_ | krtaylor: Is it a requirement for third party CI? If so, it should be documented clearly. | 18:29 |
| anteaya | amotoki_: if you want to disable as a preventative measure that is up to you | 18:29 |
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| mestery | emagana: It's under discussion, yes, it's on the table. | 18:29 |
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| krtaylor | amotoki, it is a requirement to be able to turn off your system if it is broken | 18:29 |
| amotoki_ | perhaps it is also worth discussed. | 18:29 |
| lyxus | mestery, can you clarify what it is ? | 18:30 |
| anteaya | amotoki_: how would we be able to know if someone is on vacation or not? | 18:30 |
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| anteaya | amotoki_: we can't make that a requirement | 18:30 |
| emagana | lyxus: This is not the right forum for that | 18:30 |
| anteaya | a working system is a requirement | 18:30 |
| mestery | lyxus: Yes: To ease review burden and make it easier for plugin/driver owners to iterate, we're considering moving them out of the main repo. | 18:30 |
| mestery | This is similar to what Nova is considering for hypervisor drivers. | 18:30 |
| emagana | lyxus: Let's discuss on neutron channel for during our weekly meeting | 18:30 |
| amotoki_ | anteaya: it is a good question. Taking a vacation leads to less response... just an example. | 18:30 |
| lyxus | mestery, emagana OK ! | 18:31 |
| anteaya | amotoki_: right, so at the very least if noone is going to be maintaining your ci, let me know | 18:31 |
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| anteaya | and how long you will be away | 18:31 |
| jesusaurus | anteaya: amotoki_ it seems to me like we need to better define a requirement around response time when a ci systems fails | 18:31 |
| anteaya | jesusaurus: well then that limits me | 18:31 |
| anteaya | sometimes I will ask and wait for a response | 18:31 |
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| krtaylor | that would help | 18:31 |
| anteaya | and sometimes, I just have the system disabled | 18:32 |
| anteaya | it depends on the severity of the issue and what else is happening | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | it has always been a "reasonable" amount of time | 18:32 |
| anteaya | the otehr day I made an effort to get a hold of a brocade ci | 18:32 |
| jesusaurus | anteaya: can you clearly define when you do which? | 18:32 |
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| anteaya | waited and waited | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 18:32 |
| anteaya | then they just told me shut it off | 18:32 |
| anteaya | so I did | 18:32 |
| anteaya | no, because I don't clearly define it myself | 18:33 |
| anteaya | it depends on how much time I have | 18:33 |
| jesusaurus | okay, that was my question | 18:33 |
| anteaya | what else is going on | 18:33 |
| ociuhandu | anteaya: I think some limits should to be defined, per “severity level” (also defining the severity levels) | 18:33 |
| anteaya | look at the backscroll in -infra | 18:33 |
| anteaya | citrix xenserver is failing builds | 18:33 |
| ociuhandu | anteaya: and also help in justyfing resource request sometimes | 18:33 |
| anteaya | and bobball wasn't in irc | 18:33 |
| anteaya | so I shut them off | 18:33 |
| anteaya | it also has a lot to do with my knowledge of the system | 18:34 |
| ociuhandu | as if all members are in a certain time-zone, it’s way harder to provide timely responses during the “night” | 18:34 |
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| anteaya | if bob isn't in channel when I ping him, and his nick has _AWOL at the end | 18:34 |
| anteaya | waiting for him is a waste of my time | 18:34 |
| anteaya | in any of my actions | 18:35 |
| anteaya | does anyone feel I have treated their system unfairly? | 18:35 |
| anteaya | have I failed to communicate? | 18:35 |
| anteaya | failed to reply or respond in a timely fashion? | 18:35 |
| sweston | could that be considered as a candidate for automation? at the very least, if a system is outside the parameters we define, we should at least stop that system from gating. | 18:35 |
| ociuhandu | anteaya: for sure not, but these requirements should still be documented :) | 18:36 |
| anteaya | ociuhandu: sure | 18:36 |
| anteaya | they are | 18:36 |
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| ociuhandu | anteaya: saying that the CI has to have 24x7 or 24x5 or … response time on irc, for instance? | 18:36 |
| anteaya | #info The OpenStack Infrastructure team disables mis-behaving third-party ci accounts at its discretion. | 18:36 |
| anteaya | #link http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 18:37 |
| anteaya | why would I want to police that? | 18:37 |
| krtaylor | really good point | 18:37 |
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| anteaya | every requirement is one more obligation that *I* have to carry around | 18:37 |
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| anteaya | use good judgement | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | I always assumed that it was up to the CI system to police itself | 18:38 |
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| anteaya | comminicate changes | 18:38 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: that is the best case scenario | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | a CI system should know when it is having problems | 18:38 |
| anteaya | wouldn't that be nice | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | hehheh, well, it IS a goal | 18:38 |
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| anteaya | and a good one | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | we are looking at different service monitors for notification | 18:39 |
| krtaylor | every system should be, maybe a good place for a communty effort | 18:39 |
| krtaylor | and a community effort | 18:39 |
| anteaya | if I ever use poor judgement or you feel I am treating your ci system unfairly, be sure to bring your perspective to my attention | 18:39 |
| anteaya | so that I can do a better job | 18:39 |
| dougwig | my service monitor is to get an email on every job, and to go inspect the results. it sucks. :) | 18:39 |
| anteaya | dougwig: at least you are paying attention | 18:40 |
| sweston | anteaya: I don't think your judgement has ever been an issue :-) | 18:40 |
| anteaya | full marks from me | 18:40 |
| anteaya | sweston: thanks | 18:40 |
| anteaya | do we have more here, or shall we move on? | 18:40 |
| anteaya | let's move on | 18:41 |
| emagana | anteaya: +1 | 18:41 |
| anteaya | I would like to stay with this topic | 18:41 |
| anteaya | for a moment | 18:41 |
| anteaya | and draw your attention to a ml thread | 18:41 |
| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045137.html | 18:41 |
| anteaya | I would like to heap kudos on the cinder team and particularly DuncanT and asselin__ for their participation in this thread | 18:42 |
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| anteaya | this is what it looks like when a new ci account requests permission to start voting on a repo | 18:42 |
| asselin__ | glad to help | 18:42 |
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| anteaya | and what it looks like when experienced members in this program weigh in giving the benifit of their experience to the new operator | 18:43 |
| anteaya | this is awesome | 18:43 |
| asselin__ | actually, the e-mail exposed a question I have for others: how do you measure stability? | 18:43 |
| anteaya | and exactly the direction that I had hoped requesting permissions would take | 18:43 |
| anteaya | asselin__: good question | 18:43 |
| anteaya | asselin__: you had a good reply in the thread | 18:43 |
| anteaya | for starters some history | 18:43 |
| anteaya | two weeks of life does not a stable history make | 18:44 |
| asselin__ | really/ I think I missed it.... | 18:44 |
| anteaya | you said it | 18:44 |
| anteaya | I don't see a "stable history" | 18:44 |
| anteaya | so some comments over a period of time | 18:44 |
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| anteaya | plus if cinder wants to use emagana's idea of offering patches to ensure postive and negative test results | 18:45 |
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| anteaya | and have them test that patch on some sort of schedule | 18:45 |
| anteaya | that would help | 18:45 |
| anteaya | asselin__: does that help answer your question? | 18:46 |
| asselin__ | I like the idea of the test patches, but what about intermittent issues on the driver/plugin side? | 18:46 |
| krtaylor | stability: at least for nova, it was up to the community on whether a system was stable or not, whether they could vote or not | 18:46 |
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| anteaya | asselin__: then do they communicate? | 18:46 |
| anteaya | asselin__: do they tell people, my ci is failing to build, I have taken it offline | 18:46 |
| asselin__ | krtaylor, in cinder, we're not supposed to publish any comments until we're "stable" | 18:47 |
| anteaya | asselin__: do they update their wikipage entry in the thirdpartysystems page to say they are offline | 18:47 |
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| anteaya | asselin__: they can on the sandbox repo | 18:47 |
| anteaya | asselin__: that is what the sandbox repo is meant for | 18:47 |
| asselin__ | so they need to pass X sandbox tests successfully, and then they're stable? | 18:48 |
| anteaya | mostly it comes down to, do they care and are they making good choices | 18:48 |
| asselin__ | stable enough to comment on real cinder patches | 18:48 |
| anteaya | then we can disagree about the value of X | 18:48 |
| krtaylor | asselin__, yes, that frames the stability discussion, but I don't know if running a simple test every few hours really shows that a system is doing the right thing, but I don't have a better idea at the moment | 18:48 |
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| anteaya | asselin__: well the can't comment on cinder until they are stable is coming from cinder, the part that infra wants to see is not voting until they are stable | 18:49 |
| asselin__ | in cinder, we have clearly defined what tests need to run. | 18:49 |
| anteaya | great | 18:49 |
| anteaya | so on the sandbox repo, you can see if they have logs for those tests, can you not? | 18:50 |
| asselin__ | ok, cinder ptl doesn't want commenting until stable either, this includes non-voting. | 18:50 |
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| krtaylor | for commenting, stability is one thing, for voting it should be a higher bar | 18:50 |
| anteaya | okay | 18:50 |
| anteaya | that is cinder's perogative | 18:50 |
| sweston | krtaylor: +1 | 18:50 |
| anteaya | so the sandbox repo is where I would say you do your evaluation | 18:50 |
| anteaya | asselin__: would that work? | 18:51 |
| asselin__ | right, I guess other projects allow commenting, even if unstable, so they can see it directly. For us, we should e.g. use sandbox to prove stablity of laxt X patches. | 18:51 |
| asselin__ | yes, I think that can work. | 18:51 |
| anteaya | that is the direction I would suggest yes | 18:51 |
| anteaya | great | 18:51 |
| anteaya | let us know how that goes | 18:51 |
| sweston | krtaylor: which is why I think that it would be easier to allow automatic disabling, for turning off voting systems | 18:51 |
| asselin__ | sure | 18:51 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:51 |
| anteaya | let's move to open discussion | 18:51 |
| anteaya | #topic Open Discussion | 18:51 |
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| anteaya | okay here we are | 18:52 |
| anteaya | one thing I did want to share with you | 18:52 |
| anteaya | at a certain point I had wanted to have a conference type event focused on automated testing | 18:52 |
| anteaya | currently I am unable to pursue this direction | 18:52 |
| anteaya | some of you may have been aware that I was moving towards organizing this | 18:52 |
| anteaya | so I thought I should tell you I can't anymore | 18:53 |
| anteaya | if someone else wants to that is fine | 18:53 |
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| anteaya | or something may happen in future | 18:53 |
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| anteaya | but I can't organize anything for kilo | 18:53 |
| krtaylor | oh, wow | 18:53 |
| anteaya | any thing else for open discussion | 18:53 |
| dane_leblanc | I have some concerns about having one CI account for multiple plugins to be tested | 18:53 |
| anteaya | dane_leblanc: please expand | 18:53 |
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| dane_leblanc | We have 6 different things to test and 1 account | 18:54 |
| dane_leblanc | So for example | 18:54 |
| dane_leblanc | (1)Marking CI as ‘down’ on 3rd party wiki page – all or none | 18:54 |
| dane_leblanc | If one testbed is failing, we have to mark all as down | 18:54 |
| anteaya | hmmmm | 18:54 |
| dane_leblanc | (2)Voting rights per account – all or none | 18:54 |
| anteaya | yes, no way around that | 18:54 |
| dane_leblanc | (3)One gerrit review comment per CI… | 18:54 |
| anteaya | ah, yes that is a requirement | 18:55 |
| dane_leblanc | (4)Single point of contact – hard to scale, slower response | 18:55 |
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| krtaylor | dane_leblanc, what different things? | 18:55 |
| anteaya | depending on the company, but yes I can see that point | 18:55 |
| anteaya | dane_leblanc: more points to add? | 18:55 |
| dane_leblanc | The different things are listed here: | 18:55 |
| dane_leblanc | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Cisco_CI | 18:55 |
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| dane_leblanc | (5)Account naming, difficult to have a descriptive account name for everythig | 18:56 |
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| anteaya | dane_leblanc: yes, account naming is a dragon | 18:56 |
| krtaylor | dane_leblanc, at IBM as you can imagine, we have many different test systems, all with their own gerrit service id | 18:56 |
| anteaya | dane_leblanc: was there a solution you wanted to present? | 18:56 |
| dane_leblanc | (6) Latency on one testbed can slow down responses for other testbeds | 18:56 |
| anteaya | that I didn't know | 18:56 |
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| anteaya | 3 minutes left | 18:57 |
| dane_leblanc | No soution, except maybe allowing multiple accounts, or improving the granularity e.g for marking systems down and voting rights | 18:57 |
| krtaylor | dane_leblanc, multiple systems/acounts are the answer it soulds like | 18:57 |
| anteaya | I'm hoping to get to dane_leblanc's thoughts on the way forward | 18:57 |
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| dane_leblanc | Scaling is nuts for us right now. | 18:57 |
| anteaya | dane_leblanc: well infra doesn't limit the number of accounts from one company | 18:58 |
| asselin__ | I didn't know there was a limit on number of accounts. | 18:58 |
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| jesusaurus | dane_leblanc: are you wanting a separate account for each plugin you test? | 18:58 |
| dane_leblanc | I was told we could only have one | 18:58 |
| anteaya | we just encourage people to consider consolodating if they can | 18:58 |
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| anteaya | dane_leblanc: do you recall who told you that? | 18:58 |
| dane_leblanc | Clark | 18:58 |
| anteaya | dane_leblanc: because I don't remember ever saying that | 18:58 |
| krtaylor | I hope not, we (IBM) would be in big trouble | 18:58 |
| anteaya | clarkb: have a minute? | 18:58 |
| clarkb | sure? | 18:59 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:59 |
| anteaya | any objection to cisco having more than one gerrit ci account? | 18:59 |
| clarkb | no, I think we have given up asking companies to coordinate on their end. its just easier for everyone to have multiple accounts | 18:59 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:00 |
| emagana | no objection | 19:00 |
| anteaya | thanks dane_leblanc | 19:00 |
| dane_leblanc | Thank you, anteaya! | 19:00 |
| anteaya | please send requests to third-party-requests mailing list | 19:00 |
| anteaya | :D | 19:00 |
| anteaya | and we are at time | 19:00 |
| dane_leblanc | :) | 19:00 |
| dougwig | it'll make the new gerrit CI display stuff look less nice, but given the problems they're having, that's not a deal killer. | 19:00 |
| anteaya | thanks everyone for a great meeting | 19:00 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 19:00 |
| dougwig | bye | 19:00 |
| krtaylor | bye all | 19:00 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 8 19:00:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| asselin__ | bye | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-09-08-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you anteaya ! | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-09-08-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| emagana | ciao ciao! | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-09-08-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| anteaya | NobodyCam: thank you | 19:00 |
| anteaya | :D | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:00 |
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| NobodyCam | who's here for the Ironic meeting | 19:01 |
| jroll | \o | 19:01 |
| rloo | moi | 19:01 |
| JayF | o/ | 19:01 |
| harshada_kakad | o/ | 19:01 |
| mrda | o/ | 19:01 |
| Shrews | me me me | 19:01 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:01 |
| aweeks | ays | 19:01 |
| aweeks | *aye | 19:01 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:01 |
| adam_g | o/ | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | humm no devananda ? | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:01 |
| devananda | hi! | 19:01 |
| devananda | :) | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:01 |
| jroll | lol | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 8 19:01:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Greetings, roll-call and announcements (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:02 | |
| NobodyCam | mrda: would you like to do the BIG announcement | 19:02 |
| mrda | Sure! | 19:02 |
| mrda | So it appears that 4 hours ago the last patch for the ironic driver to land in Nova merged successfully! | 19:02 |
| mrda | Wooohooo! | 19:03 |
| devananda | \o/ | 19:03 |
| mrda | \o/ | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | :) w00t | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | w00t | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | mrda, now we are waiting ur patch in Ironic to remove the driver from our tree :) | 19:03 |
| dtantsur | \o/ \o/ \o/ | 19:03 |
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| * adam_g does a dance | 19:03 | |
| NobodyCam | everyone "AWESOME JOB"!!!!!! | 19:03 |
| devananda | many many thanks to everyone - especially mrda - who worked on that | 19:03 |
| mrda | lucasagomes: If you would like, I would be pleased to post that patch today :) | 19:03 |
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| lucasagomes | mrda, +1 all urs | 19:03 |
| dtantsur | mrda, yes please | 19:03 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: the quotes there makes it sound like sarcasm :P | 19:03 |
| devananda | mrda: I've tossed up a patch to devstack to switch - https://review.openstack.org/119844 | 19:03 |
| dtantsur | we'll be figting for the right to approve it | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | it not!!!! it hounest truth! | 19:04 |
| devananda | mrda: we should ensure that passes and merges before removing the code from ironic | 19:04 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, lol indeed haha | 19:04 |
| mrda | cool, I'll let the channel know once the patch is up for review | 19:04 |
| * mrda needs to wake up | 19:04 | |
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| NobodyCam | and ofc Welcome back Devananda | 19:04 |
| mrda | yay! | 19:04 |
| lucasagomes | :) wb | 19:04 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:05 |
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| linggao | o/ | 19:05 |
| rloo | who's back? :-) | 19:05 |
| devananda | I swear, I'm not that dusty any more ... | 19:05 |
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| Shrews | was he gone? | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | :D | 19:05 |
| devananda | Shrews: I'm thrilled that you didn't notice my absense :) | 19:05 |
| Shrews | i did notice we were much more productive. maybe coincidence :P | 19:05 |
| devananda | in fact, from everyone i've spoken with and what i've seen, ya'll did fantastic things while I was gone! | 19:05 |
| devananda | Shrews: I was thinking the same thing | 19:06 |
| * devananda wonders if he should take more vacations | 19:06 | |
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| mrda | It's amazing the focus we get at the end of cycles :) | 19:06 |
| dtantsur | heh | 19:06 |
| JayF | I suspect a correlation with time-since-midcycle | 19:06 |
| JayF | moreso than devananda being gone :) | 19:06 |
| romcheg1 | devananda: We did notice! Meetings were very short :-P | 19:06 |
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| NobodyCam | #info nova Driver has landed! | 19:06 |
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| NobodyCam | lol ... I run a tight meeting | 19:07 |
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| lucasagomes | heh well the last meeting was holiday in US | 19:07 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: carry on :) | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: still up for hte Release cycle progress report? | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, I think it's devananda, well I can can grab some numbers if needed | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | J3 was tagged already :) and we have 1 bp in the FFE | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Release cycle progress report | 19:08 |
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| lucasagomes | which should land till Friday :) | 19:08 |
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| lucasagomes | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:09 |
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| lucasagomes | we got 15 bugs open for rc1 right now | 19:09 |
| dtantsur | do you have links for remaining patches? | 19:09 |
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| lucasagomes | dtantsur, will grab it | 19:09 |
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| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116561/ | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118578/ | 19:09 |
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| rloo | so the patches for the BP have to land by Fri or they're out, right? What's the date for RC1? | 19:10 |
| devananda | another huge thanks to everyone who worked on reviewing features in Juno3 and making it Ironic's most feature-full milestone ever! | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yup, afaict yes | 19:10 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 19:10 |
| devananda | rloo: ^ | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:10 |
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| devananda | RC1 should be tagged around 9/25 | 19:11 |
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| lucasagomes | so yeah that's pretty much it, let's prioritize that blueprint and work on the bugs! | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | great Thank you lucasagomes :) | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | did I see adam_g ? | 19:11 |
| adam_g | hi! | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: integration & testing work | 19:11 |
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| NobodyCam | that you :) | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | hehehe | 19:12 |
| adam_g | so just about all of our tempest and grenade work has landed | 19:12 |
| adam_g | im working with infra folks today on getting it all enabled in our gate in one way or another | 19:12 |
| adam_g | thanks to anyone who helped with the effort | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | awesome | 19:12 |
| devananda | adam_g: status on grenade tests? full tempest parallel testing of nova+ironic? | 19:13 |
| adam_g | expect to see a non-voting grenade job pop up this week | 19:13 |
| devananda | those two things are likely to come up tomorrow in the TC graduation review | 19:13 |
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| adam_g | tempest should now pass in parallel (with concurrency=2) against ironic now | 19:13 |
| adam_g | (with the proper flags set in tempest.conf via devstack) | 19:13 |
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| Shrews | and with lucasagomes latest patch | 19:13 |
| adam_g | Shrews, link? | 19:14 |
| Shrews | he found a parallel testing bug | 19:14 |
| Shrews | lucasagomes? | 19:14 |
| lucasagomes | adam_g, w00t | 19:14 |
| lucasagomes | oh lemme get the link | 19:14 |
| lucasagomes | but that's unittests | 19:14 |
| devananda | adam_g: ooh! great! can we get a job running for that and drop the current tempest job(s) ? | 19:14 |
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| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119746/ | 19:14 |
| adam_g | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118700/ adds a parallel tempest job that will be experimental until its proven stable | 19:14 |
| * lucasagomes recheck that after the fix to the sample config | 19:14 | |
| devananda | adam_g: why not -nv? | 19:14 |
| adam_g | devananda, oh, good call | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | +1 for non voting | 19:15 |
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| adam_g | the grenade work is functional, just pending some infra patches that set the environment correctly for it to pass | 19:15 |
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| adam_g | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111859/ should hopefully be approved soon | 19:15 |
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| devananda | adam_g: "grenade work" - you mean the nova->ironic migration, yes? | 19:15 |
| devananda | awesome | 19:16 |
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| adam_g | grenade work - sideways migration within the juno release from a nova-bm -> ironic | 19:16 |
| devananda | adam_g: fwiw, we'll need to look at ironic->ironic grenade testing in Kilo | 19:16 |
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| adam_g | we're the first project to actually setup this type of sideways migration testing | 19:16 |
| devananda | but that should be fairly straight forward | 19:16 |
| devananda | much easier than this was :) | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:17 |
| adam_g | yeah, we're setup nicely for that | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | any more quetions / comments for adam_g | 19:17 |
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| devananda | nope - CI stuff all sounds great to me | 19:17 |
| adam_g | also | 19:17 |
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| adam_g | jroll is working on getting IPA testing rolling in the gate, it looks like he's fairly close | 19:18 |
| jroll | yeah | 19:18 |
| devananda | jroll: link to info on that if you want me to mention it tomorrow | 19:18 |
| devananda | *have a ... ? | 19:18 |
| jroll | well, getting there. ran into this thing with preserve ephemeral now | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | oh thats a great segway: | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Ironic Python Agent | 19:18 |
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| jroll | devananda: I need to update the ipa-todos pad | 19:18 |
| jroll | will do that asap | 19:18 |
| devananda | jroll: cool | 19:19 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: let's post a few infos first | 19:19 |
| JayF | jroll: you probably want to mention https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119869/1 now? | 19:19 |
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| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: integration & testing work | 19:19 |
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| devananda | #info parallel tempest job has been proposed to infra, will be non-voting until proven stable | 19:19 |
| devananda | #info nova_bm -> ironic grenade job is passing, has one +2, waiting for approvals to merge it | 19:20 |
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| devananda | #info grenade work is also pending some add'l infra patches to set up the env for it correctly | 19:20 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: done. thanks :) | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:21 |
| romcheg1 | I have a question | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | shoot | 19:21 |
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| romcheg1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112575/ It's a flavor migration tool | 19:21 |
| romcheg1 | Do we still need it? | 19:21 |
| romcheg1 | A few folks told their concern | 19:21 |
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| devananda | adam_g: is the grenade test using that? | 19:22 |
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| NobodyCam | romcheg1: as far a i thought we do still need it | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | last time I reviewed I agreed with adam_g comment there | 19:22 |
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| Shrews | yeah, i think just documenting is likely better | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | s/far a/far as/ | 19:22 |
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| adam_g | dendrobates, no, grenade is not using that | 19:23 |
| adam_g | devananda, ^ | 19:23 |
| devananda | adam_g: ah, i see. it's doing it directly: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111859/25/within-juno/upgrade-ironic | 19:23 |
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| NobodyCam | I kinda like the script vs just documenting how to do it? | 19:23 |
| adam_g | adding a script to do that direclty in DB seems like overkill to me, IMO' | 19:24 |
| devananda | in function nova_bm_update_flavor() | 19:24 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: it's 10 lines of bash | 19:24 |
| adam_g | its a single API call vs requiring database access | 19:24 |
| devananda | let's punt on this until nova approves and is ready to proceed with deprecation of the nova_bm schema | 19:25 |
| * NobodyCam only has one flavor so not a issue for him, but others may have many more flavors? | 19:25 | |
| adam_g | the node migration is more complex and requires migration of database columns to driver info, mapping ports to nodes, etc. the updating flavor specs is entirely supported by the API. | 19:25 |
| devananda | that spec hasn't been approved by Nova yet, so they may say "we dont care how you update flavor" or they may want a script | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | but at 10 lines they can create them selfs | 19:25 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: exactly -- a production env could have many more baremetal flavors than our tempest env does | 19:26 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: but it would be possible to loop on them in bash ... so maybe 12 lines :) | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:26 |
| devananda | anyhow, let's punt on it until Kilo | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | should we move on to ipa? | 19:27 |
| devananda | yep | 19:27 |
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| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Ironic Python Agent | 19:27 |
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| NobodyCam | jroll: I think thats you | 19:27 |
| jroll | hey | 19:27 |
| jroll | so first off, we broke the agent driver when we landed ipa/ilo | 19:27 |
| jroll | here's a fix, with some tests: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119869/ | 19:28 |
| jroll | need that merged quickly, please :) | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | :( | 19:28 |
| jroll | besides that, we've been working on getting CI running: | 19:28 |
| jroll | simple devstack-gate change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119473/ | 19:28 |
| jroll | this devstack change is approved but going through a million rechecks: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114408/ | 19:29 |
| jroll | then the big one for infra config, depends on adam_g's refactor: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112693/ | 19:29 |
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| jroll | and that will give us jobs on IPA and ironic with tempest and the agent driver | 19:29 |
| jroll | *however* | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112693 | 19:30 |
| jroll | turns out we landed 'rebuild --preserve-ephemeral' changes since I started looking at this stuff | 19:30 |
| jroll | IPA doesn't support ephemeral volumes, so this fails :( | 19:30 |
| jroll | I'd like to find a way to work around this; supporting ephemeral partitions in IPA might be a somewhat large effort | 19:30 |
| JayF | jroll: for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112693 I'd strongly suggest making even the IPA jobs nonvoting to start... and vote on all of them simultaneously... lest we suffer internally the same asymmetric gating problems that ironic does with nova right now | 19:31 |
| jroll | JayF: yep, need to change that | 19:31 |
| devananda | #info devstack, devstack-gate, and infra-config changes are in flight to enable tempest jobs using the agent driver | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: is it blantly clear that IPA only supports whole-disk-imgaes, for someone new was just starting to look at itonic | 19:31 |
| devananda | #info however, IPA doesn't support ephemeral volumes, and is now failing the rebuild-preserve-ephemeral test | 19:31 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: I should check the docs; not sure | 19:32 |
| * jroll waits for someone to say "what docs?" | 19:32 | |
| * NobodyCam thinks about adding a #action | 19:32 | |
| jroll | I think the big effort for IPA for the rest of juno should be docs | 19:32 |
| JoshNang | +1 | 19:32 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: go for it | 19:32 |
| jroll | (side note, I noticed another meeting review action items at the beginning, we should do that) | 19:32 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | #action Ipa to review docs for end of Juno / start of Kilo cycles | 19:33 |
| jroll | I've always wondered where the #action black hole is :P | 19:33 |
| devananda | jroll: differences, such as "IPA only supports whole disk images", really need to be communicated clearly in said docs, too | 19:33 |
| devananda | jroll: I'll link after the meeting | 19:33 |
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| NobodyCam | other questions/ comments for IPA / jroll | 19:34 |
| devananda | all the hash-actions show up in the minutes | 19:34 |
| jroll | devananda: indeed, it's on our todo list to clearly document pxe / agent differences | 19:34 |
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| NobodyCam | jroll: can you #link the ipa-todolist here | 19:34 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | Ty | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | go to move on? | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | s/go/good/? | 19:35 |
| JayF | Another thing re: IPA worth noting | 19:35 |
| JayF | Is that we still do not have DIB elements for IPA | 19:35 |
| JayF | which was indicated as a potential requirement for running jobs regularly, because of the lower requirements for ram per vm | 19:36 |
| JayF | I know NobodyCam and jroll were looking at this... assuming that effort died? | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | I will pick that back up | 19:36 |
| jroll | thanks, NobodyCam | 19:36 |
| devananda | #action NobodyCam to resume work on DIB element for IPA | 19:36 |
| devananda | :) | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:37 |
| JayF | I'll help however much I can :) Just let me know if you get stuck or have a problem... although last time I offered this the only thing I learned was that I don't know much about DIB :) | 19:37 |
| jroll | JayF: use the source, luke | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:37 |
| greghaynes | If you need any DIB help feel free to poke me | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | hah | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | #action nobodyca to poke greghaynes | 19:37 |
| greghaynes | splendid | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | gah wanted a space between # and action | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | :( | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:38 |
| jroll | lol | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | good to move on :) | 19:38 |
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| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Bug team | 19:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SubTeam: Bug team (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:38 | |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: I thnink thats you? | 19:39 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | think even | 19:39 |
| dtantsur | Open: 133 (+2). 9 new (-2), 44 in progress (+4), 0 critical, 14 high (-1) and 4 incomplete (0); juno-rc1: 15 | 19:39 |
| dtantsur | and I'll be retargetting driver bugs to Nova starting from tomorrow | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | sweet :) | 19:39 |
| dtantsur | currently 15 targeted to rc, which looks doable | 19:39 |
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| dtantsur | we may even add more, I hope | 19:39 |
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| dtantsur | that's all from me now | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | awesome, so at this point any driver bug SHOULD be filed with nova? | 19:40 |
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| dtantsur | IMO yes | 19:40 |
| jroll | woo | 19:41 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I would say so, yes | 19:41 |
| jroll | offload all the work! | 19:41 |
| dtantsur | provided we're dropping the code | 19:41 |
| rloo | is there a way to tag the ironic bugs with nova? I suspect we'll want to know about those. | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | #info any driver bug SHOULD be filed with nova | 19:41 |
| dtantsur | jroll, that's revenge for them retargetting nova-bm bugs :D | 19:41 |
| jroll | lol | 19:41 |
| devananda | #undo | 19:41 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x326afd0> | 19:41 |
| devananda | #info any bug in the nova ironic driver should be filed with nova | 19:41 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: clarified ^ to differentiate bugs in _our_ drivers | 19:42 |
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| NobodyCam | oh undo I didn't even know that was there | 19:42 |
| rloo | I mean, tag the nova bugs related to the ironic driver | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | :O there's an undo command! | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ack TY | 19:42 |
| dtantsur | I like repr()s: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x326afd0> | 19:42 |
| dtantsur | :) | 19:42 |
| devananda | rloo: yes -- we should maintain trackign in both projects | 19:42 |
| * jroll is going to #undo all action items pointed at him | 19:42 | |
| mrda | lol | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | hah | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | thank you dtantsur :) | 19:42 |
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| NobodyCam | anythig else for dtantsur ? | 19:43 |
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| dtantsur | do they have official tag for us? | 19:43 |
| devananda | rloo: one could also subscribe to that tag in noav | 19:43 |
| dtantsur | by they I mean 'nova' | 19:43 |
| devananda | dtantsur: not yet afaik | 19:43 |
| dtantsur | would be nice to have for both us and them | 19:43 |
| devananda | #action devananda to follow up with mikal to create official bug tag in nova | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:43 |
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| NobodyCam | I guess no GheRivero_pto | 19:44 |
| dtantsur | yeah and please communicate back to me :) | 19:44 |
| devananda | dtantsur: ack | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, I think we agreed last meeting to remove the oslo things from the meeting until K opens | 19:44 |
| * NobodyCam skips oslo and nova | 19:44 | |
| devananda | lucasagomes: I dont think we should completely remoev oslo from the agenda | 19:45 |
| devananda | because they're still coming out with releases and making some changes, AIUI | 19:45 |
| lucasagomes | right | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: would you like a topic change? | 19:45 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah it was mentioned on the last meeting we can talk about it later on whether remove it or not | 19:45 |
| lucasagomes | but I'm grand leaving it there and just saying "no updates" if there's nothing to say | 19:45 |
| devananda | eg, oslo messaging, config, and rootwrap are all currently tagged with "alpha" status | 19:46 |
| devananda | so those should be updated prior to Juno release | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Oslo | 19:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SubTeam: Oslo (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:46 | |
| dhellmann | devananda: we're aiming for final releases around 18 sept | 19:46 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: no need. w/o GheRivero_pto here to report on it, I dont have anything to add (aside from lets not take it off the agenda) | 19:46 |
| devananda | dhellmann: hi there! thanks, that's good to know | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | #info GheRivero on pto no update this meeting | 19:47 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Outstanding items for graduation | 19:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Outstanding items for graduation (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:47 | |
| NobodyCam | devananda: you want this one? | 19:47 |
| devananda | sure | 19:48 |
| devananda | so I started writing up notes this morning, basically what the TC may want to look at | 19:48 |
| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicGraduationDiscussion | 19:48 |
| dhellmann | devananda: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045375.html | 19:48 |
| devananda | adam_g: in particular, your input on the QA/CI section would be much appreciated | 19:48 |
| adam_g | devananda, ack | 19:48 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: what time is the TC / gradution meeting tomorrow? | 19:49 |
| devananda | dhellmann: the unknown oslo.db is a bit concerning since we migrated to depend on that | 19:49 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: same time as usual: 2000 UTC | 19:49 |
| jroll | devananda: want me to add IPA testing stuff to that? | 19:49 |
| dhellmann | devananda: I expect 1.0, but didn't catch viktors in time to say so for certain | 19:49 |
| devananda | dhellmann: ack. I'm assuming that ya'll will still have something for that timeframe :) | 19:50 |
| JayF | I mean, oslo.db migration for Nova got an FFE... hard to imagine it wouldn't be considered ready for Juno | 19:50 |
| devananda | right | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | should we (ironic) join the meeting in force ? would it help / hurt? | 19:50 |
| devananda | jroll: no thanks. I'll mention it, but dont expect it to be a graduation-relevant item | 19:50 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: not necessary, but anyone is welcome to join | 19:51 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:51 |
| dhellmann | there will be a release of oslo.db, it's just not clear we'll call it 1.0 vs. say 0.5 | 19:51 |
| devananda | dhellmann: sounds good | 19:51 |
| jroll | devananda: ok :) | 19:51 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: that's all from me on the graduation front, unless fo,ks have more questions | 19:51 |
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| NobodyCam | :) thank you devananda :) | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | I'll be at the TC meeting tomorrow | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | so tomorrow is the big day! | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | ok that leaves us 8 minutes for : | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Food for Thought / Open Discussion | 19:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Food for Thought / Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:52 | |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: you had a question on the agenda | 19:52 |
| wanyen | I have one thing about ilo driver dib element | 19:52 |
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| lucasagomes | I added the item to discuss whether we should remove the sample.conf or not | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | Should we remove ironic.conf.sample ? | 19:52 |
| jroll | devananda: "TBD: are Nova's notifications sufficient? should Ironic emit notifications for node creation/deletion?" <- yes, so much yes | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | wanyen: sure | 19:53 |
| lucasagomes | we discussed a bit on channel, but there's no final decision yet AFAIK | 19:53 |
| JayF | wanyen: which diskimage are you wanting to build? | 19:53 |
| wanyen | ilo driver still has one dib change to be reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114124/ | 19:53 |
| JayF | wanyen: how does the ISO get built for IPA? | 19:53 |
| wanyen | This is the change to retreive token fromvfloppy | 19:53 |
| devananda | jroll: i'd like to understand the use case for that | 19:54 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, resource tracker? | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | wanyen: with out looking at the code behind that patch will it also create the config floppy | 19:54 |
| jroll | devananda: "node failed decommissioning" (nova has thrown away the instance by this point) | 19:54 |
| wanyen | JayF, we have a script to build iso image from ramdisk & kernel, Should we give you that script? | 19:54 |
| JayF | devananda: I will echo jroll's request for notifications from Ironic directly | 19:55 |
| jroll | devananda: more generally, ironic errors/activities that nova doesn't know about | 19:55 |
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| JayF | wanyen: I'd love for someone to be able to build an IPA ISO out of the imagebuild/ dir in IPA | 19:55 |
| wanyen | waht is the best way to get dib reviewers to review ilo dib changes? | 19:55 |
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| JayF | wanyen: And unless, generally, other people can use IPA as ISO the ilo-ipa driver isn't very useful (unless Ironic does the conversation at some point?) | 19:55 |
| devananda | jroll: ah. good point. so it's not about resource creation/deletion, but about state changes that are done either autonomously w/in ironic, or directy at an admin request | 19:55 |
| lucasagomes | wanyen, #tripleo channel? | 19:56 |
| JayF | wanyen: And for any DIB elements relating to IPA, I have a strong preference to having them landed *in* the IPA repo | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | wanyen: ping folks in #tripleo | 19:56 |
| jroll | devananda: indeed | 19:56 |
| * devananda updates 'pad | 19:56 | |
| wanyen | JayF, okay. We will work with you to get the iso script into IPA dir | 19:56 |
| jroll | wanyen: greghaynes is one of the reviewers :) | 19:56 |
| JayF | devananda: it can be about create/delete as well. For instance, we'd probably consider it an "alert" if Ironic sent out a notify about an instance creation, but didn't have an instance_uuid set | 19:56 |
| wanyen | alos, when the documentation due date? | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | as to lucasagomes's question: I like the saple conf but can see that things may be easier with out id | 19:57 |
| wanyen | s/eh/sehn is | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | s/id/it/ | 19:57 |
| wanyen | s /when/when is | 19:57 |
| JayF | I am +1 to removing the sample conf from the check/gate job, and +1 to removing it from the git repo entirely | 19:57 |
| wanyen | greghaynes, we also like to create a dib element to build iso image | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | fyi: 2 miinutes | 19:58 |
| JayF | I can't imagine there being value in us leaving somethign that can happily break our gate without us doing anything when it's already damn hard to get something merged | 19:58 |
| rloo | if we don't have the .sample, when people deploy, where will they get a sample .conf to start with? | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, they can generate it | 19:58 |
| greghaynes | wanyen: sounds fun | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ++ | 19:58 |
| dtantsur | re .sample, I'd prefer to have it but now I realize why it should go | 19:58 |
| rloo | can you generate it w/o setting up a dev environment? | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, that's a good point, yeah it breaks w/o we do anything | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, I don't think so :/ | 19:59 |
| JayF | I also checked with -infra and we can't have them autocommit it every time | 19:59 |
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| rloo | so we're asking users of openstack, to set up a dev environment, so they can generate the .sample? | 19:59 |
| JayF | they can open a merge req in gerrit, but not a full-merge | 19:59 |
| Shrews | sample config makes me feel like this, fwiw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Raf5JdFecPQ | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | maybe we could make the sample a doc vs a file in the repo? | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | about to run out of time | 19:59 |
| jroll | anyone that needs to configure ironic should be capable of running 'pip install' and a shell script to generate the config | 19:59 |
| JoshNang | i think having it proposed and merging it every so often (and before milestones) would be an easy way to keep it in git? | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | beep | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | thats time | 20:00 |
| devananda | rloo: that's what Nova does today | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | can we move back to #ironic | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | aight thanks everyone | 20:00 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 20:00 |
| devananda | thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all!!!!1 | 20:00 |
| jroll | thanks :) | 20:00 |
| mrda | \o/ | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 8 20:00:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-09-08-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-09-08-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-09-08-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
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