Friday, 2014-10-10

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cyeohHi - who's here today for the nova api meeting?00:01
alex_xuhi00:01
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gmannhi00:02
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cyeohgmann: do you know if oomichi is going to be able to make it today?00:02
gmanncyeoh: He is busy in other meeting, so he might not be able to join00:03
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cyeohok, np. lets get started then00:04
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cyeoh#topic v2.1 on v300:04
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cyeohas everyone has probably seen by now we've got the v2.1 on v3 spec re-approved for kilo :-)00:04
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alex_xuyea00:04
cyeohso anything on #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/v2_1_WorkList we can work on00:05
alex_xuapproved so quick00:05
r1chardj0n3shi there, sorry I'm late :)00:05
cyeohyea we were first :-)00:05
cyeohr1chardj0n3s: np00:05
cyeohI'd recommend people rebase any existing patch older than a couple of weeks00:06
r1chardj0n3ssome context: I'm working on a new pure-Javascript client for OpenStack APIs00:06
r1chardj0n3scurrently I'm targetting v2 because that's what's in devstack00:06
r1chardj0n3swriting a client from scratch has exposed some fun issues with the APIs and their documentation00:06
cyeohand if the patch copies any of the v2 files just to recheck that no patches were applied to the original during the feature freeze00:07
r1chardj0n3sso I was wondering what advice I might receive, what help I might offer that would be useful?00:07
gmanncyeoh: yes00:07
cyeohas there were quite a log of bug fixes then went into the nova api during ff00:07
cyeohone other update to patches is that we no longer need to do the url_prefix work for v2 vs v3 urls00:07
cyeohso they can be removed from patches. Kenichi's wsgi_app_v21 patch has merged so we can just use the common url00:07
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r1chardj0n3salso, I have written https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120964/14 which I'd like to see included in various APIs, so comments on it earlier rather than later would be appreciated :)00:08
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gmanncyeoh: for wsgi_app_v21, shall we start cleanup the existing one also.00:09
r1chardj0n3s(the CORS stuff is far from just my baby, too, I'm just the sucker writing the spec/code)00:09
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cyeohI also wanted to find out what people thought about eventually just removing the content of HTTPBlankRequest calls for cases where we call the controller directly00:11
cyeohrather than wsgi_app00:11
cyeohwhen we call the controller directly the url never actually gets used (except perhaps is it does parameter parsing which very few methods doo)00:11
cyeohthe url string never gets parsed/checked in anyway so tests will pass even if its garbage.00:11
cyeohI wonder if in those cases we should use an empty string instead?00:11
cyeohsorry  I'm having a few network disconnects.00:12
cyeohr1chardj0n3s: certainly submit bug reports on any issues you find http://bugs.launchpad.net/nova - tag them with api would be useful00:12
r1chardj0n3scyeoh: ok, so bug reports against v2 would be accepted?00:13
cyeohr1chardj0n3s: yes definitely, they may well be in the v2.1 api as well00:13
r1chardj0n3scyeoh: it's almost always more about the documentation, to be honest00:13
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cyeohr1chardj0n3s: yep we're trying to move to a model where we automate generation of documentation eventually which should fix some of those issues but for now a bug would be very useful00:14
alex_xucyeoh, what is HTTPBlankRequest? I don't know it, is there any related patch?00:14
r1chardj0n3scyeoh: ok00:14
eliqiao1hi all :)00:14
alex_xueliqiao1, hi :)00:14
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gmanncyeoh: I agree we can remove the  url string as of now. but i feel we need consistency across UT00:15
cyeohgmann: so for cases where we create a fake request and pass it to the controller the url is ignored, but if we pass it to wsgi_app_v21 we do need a valid url00:15
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cyeohgmann: yea to be honest I'm not sure about the change, I just wanted to bring it up for discussion00:15
cyeohgmann: because its not checked there are cases where its just plain wrong which can be misleading. But maybe we just live with that?00:16
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cyeohalex_xu: oh so I mean HTTPRequest.blank('/v2/....')00:16
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cyeohr1chardj0n3s: can get to you review in a sec if you want (to be honest I don't know anything about CORS)00:17
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gmanncyeoh, alex_xu:  I am +1 to remove those which are present in many test class.00:18
alex_xucyeoh, I remember we said we prefer test controller directly than wsg_app_v21 before, because we don't want to run whole stack in unittest, and we already have api sample test00:18
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r1chardj0n3scyeoh: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119485/ is the spec, which may help :)00:18
cyeohalex_xu: yea I think where we can its preferable as its much closer to a unit test (as long as we have good api sample test coverage)00:18
r1chardj0n3scyeoh: though the spec needs to be updated for some of the configuration minutae00:19
gmannalex_xu: yes, i am litle bit not comfortable about having mixed way of call, some with wsgi some directly controller...00:19
cyeohgmann, alex_xu: so perhaps one of the cleanup things we put on the todo list for kilo is converting wsgi_api based tests to direct controller tests00:19
cyeoh#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Nova_API_Kilo_Planning00:20
cyeohthe controller tests also run a lot of faster.00:20
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alex_xucyeoh, yes, but should be low priority00:20
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cyeohalex_xu, yep sure00:20
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gmanncyeoh: nice idea :)00:21
eliqiao1so we are planing to  refactor the wsgi_api test to direct controller tests?00:21
alex_xueliqiao1, yea00:21
eliqiao1alex_xu: got it, thx.00:22
cyeoh#topic CORS00:23
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cyeohr1chardj0n3s: did you want to say anything else about CORS?00:23
cyeohr1chardj0n3s: I'll admit this all new to me :-)00:24
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r1chardj0n3sthanks, apart from what's in the spec, probably not00:24
r1chardj0n3sthough some history, perhaps00:24
r1chardj0n3soriginally CORS was going to be implemented in an existing middleware, but that approach was nixed00:24
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r1chardj0n3sthe next thought was to punt the integration of it off on deployers who wanted it, but that ended up being a bit of a nightmare for deployers (who would need to know way too much about the API in question to get it right)00:25
r1chardj0n3sso the current apprach is to try to get the APIs themselves to include the middleware by default, though with a configuration that basically says "no, we don't allow CORS"00:26
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r1chardj0n3sdeployers may then make a relatively trivial edit to the paste configuration to allow CORS if they wish to00:26
r1chardj0n3sbut that relies on buy-in from folk like yourself :)00:26
cyeohok so excuse my ignorance, but its basically just adding and accepting some new headers?00:26
r1chardj0n3syes00:26
cyeohok that sounds fairly harmless :-)00:27
r1chardj0n3syep00:27
r1chardj0n3sI will also note though, that my main day work at the moment is to rewrite Horizon as a pure Javascript application00:28
cyeohAh ok I see00:28
r1chardj0n3sand for that, I've avoided the CORS issue completely by using a super-thin API proxy that presents all the OpenStack service APIs through a single origin (in the CORS sense of "origin")00:28
cyeohis it just your org who is interested in CORS support or are there others as well?00:28
r1chardj0n3sno, there seems to be broad interest in enabling CORS00:29
r1chardj0n3sbut as I mention, ironically I probably won't use it, even though others will00:29
cyeohheh :-)00:29
cyeohok I guess it'd be nice to get people from various orgs to comment on the spec so we know there is user demand for it.00:30
r1chardj0n3sseems reasonable00:30
cyeohanyway my first impression of it seems like it should be ok - fairly harmless and disabled by default00:30
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r1chardj0n3s(I'm kinda new at OpenStack - only 3.5 months in now - so I'm unsure how to progress things like that)00:31
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cyeohr1chardj0n3s: I think it's probably a good idea to post a reference to it to openstack-dev if you haven't already done so00:31
r1chardj0n3sok, will do00:31
r1chardj0n3sunder [all]?00:31
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cyeohyep00:32
cyeohok, moving on...00:32
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cyeoh#topic microversions00:32
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r1chardj0n3s(thanks, cyeoh)00:33
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cyeohI've put up another version of the microversions spec. Please review/comment:00:33
cyeoh#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127127/00:33
cyeohr1chardj0n3s: np00:33
cyeohoomchi and I have been discussing JSON-HOME on that spec as well00:34
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cyeohif anyone wants to write up a JSON-HOME spec too I think that'd be useful (I don't know yet if it would fit into kilo yet - I think its non trivial to implement)00:34
cyeohany comments on the microversions? I hope to have some sample code by next week00:35
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alex_xucyeoh, JSON-HOME should begin after we implement micro-version?00:36
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cyeohalex_xu: so I might be wrong, but the way I see it, microversions allows us to give client control to what API they say (by passing a version)00:36
alex_xucyeoh, looks like implement JSON-HOME need depend on how we implement micro-version00:36
cyeohalex_xu: whereas JSON-home allows us to describe what that API looks like00:36
cyeohI think it'd be possible to do a JSON-home document for the v2 api - since it's essentially static00:37
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cyeohwhich may be a good testcase (still needs to handle what plugins are actually loaded though)00:37
alex_xuJson-home also describe each version api..so I think it may a little dependence00:37
cyeohalex_xu: I think if we go that route the json home document is going to *very* complicated00:38
cyeohbecause I think we should plan on lots of minor version updates during each cycle, plus a few major ones00:38
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alex_xuagree00:39
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cyeohI was thinking (and perhaps this is just all wrong) that we could make the json-home document dependent on the client header for microversions00:39
cyeohso it would be simple as it would only have to describe the api for a single snapshot of the API at a time, rather than its whole history00:40
alex_xuyou mean only newest version or all the version in one json-home?00:41
cyeohso I was thinking if the client header said v2 api, then the json home document would just describe the API as it behaves in v2 mode00:41
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cyeohif they say version=4.12.3 then the JSON home document would describe that00:41
cyeohWith all the plugins that we have the size of the API is huge and that already makes for a very large document00:42
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cyeohI guess we could have a json home document that also describes all the functionality for all the versions. But it would end up very large :-) And I doubt clients would want to be continuously pulling that down00:43
gmanncyeoh:  JSON home document needed for mainly backward incompatibility version or for compatibility also00:44
alex_xuemm...yes, I can image it' very large :)00:44
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cyeohgmann: yea I'm not sure if I'm missing something with my understanding of json home documents00:45
cyeohgmann: but I'm wondering why its needed for backwards incompatibility?00:45
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gmanncyeoh: it should describe for all interface changes right? which include backwards incompatibility also00:47
cyeohgmann: so we could use it to do that, though as I mentioned before I think that would mean it would get huge.00:47
cyeohgmann: or we could just use it to describe the API at a specific version00:48
cyeohI'm trying to think of how a client would use it.00:48
cyeohI think most clients will just be written up against a specific version of the API and they won't look at the JSON home document00:48
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cyeohA sophisticated client might want to always work against the latest version of the API00:49
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cyeohin which case they would use the json home document to find out what is available00:49
cyeohbut wouldn't care about the api history00:49
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alex_xucyeoh, it should care which version avaliable00:50
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cyeohmaybe a really fancy client would be able to operate against any version of the api in which case they would really want all this information from json home00:50
gmanncyeoh: yes. but sometime moving from version to version they required for all version00:51
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cyeohalex_xu: yes, that's true but that can just be done with a version list, or the standard /versions output00:51
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alex_xucyeoh, yea, right00:51
cyeohso I guess what I'm saying is that if the client can dynamically adapt to a changing api by parsing json home then why would it ever want to use anything but the latest version of the api?00:52
cyeohif it can't then its probably fixed to a specific version anyway00:53
cyeohgmann: I don't think I understood what you were saying00:53
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gmanncyeoh: i mean the same if some client care about all API version and we need to provide JSON Home for those00:55
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cyeohgmann: oh I see, yes I agree00:56
cyeohgmann: well I think this discussion has helped my understanding quite a bit anyway ;-)00:57
cyeohthx! Is there anything else people want to talk about re: json/home or microversions?00:57
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alex_xunothing from me, need review the spec first!00:58
cyeohok :-) Otherwise we're pretty much out of time00:58
cyeoh#topic open discussion00:58
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gmanncyeoh: nothing from my side, i will also review spec00:58
cyeohanything else from anyone for the 1 minute we have left? :-)00:58
alex_xuquick question00:58
cyeohsure00:59
alex_xuShould I add policy stuff at here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities00:59
alex_xuor that link just for very important feature00:59
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alex_xuor every feature should add to that etherpad00:59
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cyeohalex_xu: I think its worth adding, but describe how it makes life easier for deployers01:00
alex_xucyeoh, ok, I got it01:00
gmanncyeoh: I re spin tempest spec for Nova v2.1 - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96661/01:00
gmanncyeoh:  please have look at convenient time01:00
cyeohgmann: thx! I'll have a look at it01:00
gmannthx01:00
cyeohok we're definitely out of time. thx everyone01:00
cyeoh#endmeeting01:00
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gmannThanks all. have a good day01:01
alex_xugmann, me too, although I'm not familar with tempest yet01:01
alex_xuthanks all01:01
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gmannalex_xu: yes, thanks01:01
alex_xugmann, np01:02
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nirupmaHi Sajeesh15:57
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sajeeshhi nirupma15:57
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raildohi all16:01
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sajeeshhi raildo16:02
raildohi sajeesh16:02
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raildosajeesh, we have something to discuss today?16:03
sajeeshyes ofcourse16:03
sajeeshregarding quota management16:03
raildoso, let's go :)16:03
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sajeeshok :-)16:03
nirupmahi raildo16:03
raildohi nirupma16:04
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thiagopHello all!16:04
sajeeshhi thiago16:04
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raildo#startmeeting Hierarchical Multitenancy16:05
thiagopit's been a while16:05
openstackMeeting started Fri Oct 10 16:05:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is raildo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:05
nirupmahi thiago16:05
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:05
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Hierarchical Multitenancy)"16:05
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'hierarchical_multitenancy'16:05
raildo#topic quota management16:05
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raildosajeesh, maybe you can lead this point?16:06
sajeeshok...16:06
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sajeeshraildo,I think there was a discussion on moving quota management to keystone...16:06
sajeeshcan you please eloborate it16:06
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sajeeshI am telling about the mail that you have forwarded to us16:08
raildoI still do not know everything about it, but I believe the proposal is send the quotas implementation for the Keystone or a new service16:09
sajeeshok16:09
raildoI saw that email and thought you would be interesting to discuss16:09
sajeeshyes16:09
raildo#link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg36883.html16:09
sajeeshwhat I had understood was that,quota management would be moved towards keystone16:10
raildo#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blazar16:10
raildomaybe this Blazar can control quotas?16:10
raildoi don't know, i have to investigate more16:11
sajeeshok16:11
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sajeeshthere were some comments from vishy as well16:12
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raildo#action Raildo (and others) understand more about Quota management and enforcement across projects16:12
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vishythe discussion on the mailing list is to try to move the quota limits into keystone16:12
vishybut do enforcement via a shared library in oslo16:13
sajeeshok..16:13
raildovishy, nice16:13
raildothank you16:13
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sajeeshthanks vishy for joining16:13
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raildovishy, This may affect the current implementation of quotas in Nova, right?16:14
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vishyyes but the library will most likely be taken with some nova with some modifications16:14
vishyi would think16:14
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sajeeshok16:15
sajeeshvishy,do you expect these changes to go in kilo ?16:15
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vishyi don’t know16:16
sajeeshok16:16
vishyno one has officially signed up to do them yet16:16
sajeeshok16:16
thiagopso, you don't think it's too much a breakthrough regarding the hierarchical quotas?16:16
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sajeeshvishy, regarding nested quota driver in nova,the development is over and I am testing it now.Do I need to go ahead with it ?16:18
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vishysajeesh: yes16:19
vishythe shared library needs nested quotas too16:20
sajeeshok,vishy16:20
raildovishy, Thanks for the explanation16:20
sajeeshvishy ,thanks a lot16:20
tsvvishy, i started looking at quota support for barbican by looking at nova impl as example. could you please give some pointers to the shared library wiki ?16:20
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raildonext topic?16:21
sajeeshok16:21
sajeeshraildo,any updates from keystone side ?16:21
raildosajeesh, we are receiving some reviews, but not critical :)16:22
sajeeshok16:22
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raildo#topic Hierarchical Projects in Keystone - Reviews16:22
sajeesh:-)16:22
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thiagopnirupma: what are your thoughts so far?16:23
raildosajeesh, If you want to review:16:23
raildo#link http://paste.openstack.org/raw/120195/16:24
nirupmaif i create a new project and assign no members to it16:24
sajeeshraildo,I will do16:24
raildowe have a lot os patches hahaha16:24
nirupmathen even the admin cannot create new sub-projects.16:24
raildoof*16:24
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vishytsv: I don’t think it exists yet16:24
sajeeshthiago,have you seen the feedback of vinod ?16:24
nirupmanow if i assign him the admin role then he can create sub-projecta'16:25
nirupmabut if i assign him the member role, he is still able to create sub-projects.16:25
nirupmaI am not sure if its correct16:25
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nirupmathiago: what do u think?16:26
tsvvishy, thanks. will look forward for it16:26
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thiagopsajeesh: yes. I had also worked on it but some changes had no effect when I tested on Apache16:28
sajeeshok16:28
sajeeshmain issue was that parent was not coming in the list after it is created16:28
thiagopsajeesh: it's a session problem16:29
sajeeshok16:29
nirupmaadding to sajeesh's comment16:29
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nirupmathat issue is met even when we delete a project16:29
thiagopI'll work on it as soon as I can16:29
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sajeeshok,thanks thiago16:30
thiagop#action fix token renewal on creating/deleting projects16:30
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thiagopnirupma: the deleted project is still being shown on the list, right?16:31
nirupmayes16:31
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raildo#topic Design Session Summit16:31
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raildo#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics16:31
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thiagopnirupma: I'll take a look on the roles problems also. I'll give you some feedback next week.16:33
raildoI talked with morganfainberg  and david-lyle , we are well nearby to get a space to discuss our features :)16:33
nirupmaThanks thiago16:33
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sajeeshok16:33
raildoSo we have to be all prepared to advance in this session16:35
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sajeeshok16:35
raildonirupma, You'll be there, right?16:35
nirupmayes16:36
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raildogreat :)16:36
nirupmaraildo: What all should I prepare for the summit?16:36
nirupmai mean what all should i read and understand well16:37
raildoSo far we have three main topics: New features in Keystone, Horizon Implementation, and quota support for hierarchical projects in Nova and other services16:37
raildonirupma, #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics16:37
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nirupmayeh i have read the etherpad16:37
raildoYou can look for Hierarchical Project in cross-projects ( Raildo Mascena 'raildo')16:37
nirupmaok16:38
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raildonirupma, I intend to discuss this and anything else that we can think to the summit16:38
nirupmaok16:39
sajeeshraildo,any update is available regarding python-openstackclient ?16:39
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raildonirupma, I believe that you may be more concerned with the quota support for hierarchical projects in Nova and other services16:39
sajeeshI mean the unified client ?16:40
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nirupmayes16:40
raildosajeesh, implementation is ready and is under review16:40
sajeeshok16:40
raildothe implementation*16:40
nirupmasajeesh has worked a lot on it16:40
sajeeshhi shwicke16:40
raildo#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12353916:41
raildohi schwicke16:41
nirupmahi shwicke16:41
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raildo#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12110116:41
thiagophi schwicke16:42
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raildoSomething else to be discussed?16:44
sajeeshnothing from my side16:45
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thiagopjust a question: sajeesh nirupma , what are your thoughts about the interface? Is it too ugly? Difficult to use?16:46
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nirupmai think its rather very easy to understand16:47
sajeeshThiago,the interface is good16:47
nirupmaand the tree structure of project is clearly visible16:47
sajeeshyes16:47
raildogreat :)16:47
thiagopwe made a proposal to change the role assignment experience16:48
sajeeshok16:48
thiagopwe need to give it a way to set it as inherited or not16:48
thiagopI'll send it to you by email ASAP16:48
sajeeshok,thanks thiago16:48
nirupmaok16:48
raildoso until next week16:49
raildo#endmeeting16:49
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raildobye guys, have a nice week16:50
sajeeshthanks and good bye to all :-)16:50
nirupmaHappy Weekend to all!!!16:50
sajeeshNice weekend :-)16:50
schwickesorry, I missed it16:50
thiagophave a nice weekend you all16:50
schwickehad problems to connect. We lost our internet connection16:50
sajeeshhi schwicke,we missed you16:51
schwickeyeah, sorry.16:51
schwickethanks for taking over the chair ;-)16:51
sajeeshthanks raildo16:51
schwickewill checkout the logs :)16:51
sajeeshok16:52
raildohi schwicke16:52
schwickeraildo: hi!16:52
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raildoif you have something to comment about this meeting, you can send a email for me or something like that16:53
schwickeyes, will do that16:54
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