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| asalkeld | zaneb, you about? | 12:00 |
| asalkeld | i'll do it i guess | 12:00 |
| asalkeld | #startmeeting Heat | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 15 12:00:34 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 12:00 |
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| asalkeld | #topic rollcall | 12:00 |
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| asalkeld | o/ | 12:00 |
| ryansb | \o | 12:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 12:00 |
| unmeshg_ | hi | 12:00 |
| tspatzier | hi | 12:00 |
| rpothier | hi | 12:00 |
| inc0 | \o/ | 12:01 |
| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 12:01 |
| mspreitz | hi | 12:01 |
| rakesh_hs | hi | 12:01 |
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| ananta | Hi | 12:01 |
| asalkeld | all in | 12:02 |
| asalkeld | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 12:02 |
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| ananta | good afternoon/evening | 12:02 |
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| asalkeld | only 2 | 12:02 |
| asalkeld | i sent an email re: the meetup | 12:02 |
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| asalkeld | people need to have a look here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-heat-midcycle-meetup | 12:03 |
| zaneb | o/ | 12:03 |
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| asalkeld | yo zaneb | 12:03 |
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| asalkeld | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 12:04 |
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| zaneb | morning y'all | 12:04 |
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| Qiming | morning | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | any more topics | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | hi Qiming | 12:04 |
| mspreitz | transition period for removing HARestarter | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, haven't we been through that? | 12:05 |
| * shardy thought we had | 12:05 | |
| mspreitz | Last time we talked, folks were going to look at my proposal. Can we agree on a conclusion? | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | lets add it to the end | 12:05 |
| * zaneb too | 12:05 | |
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| asalkeld | Qiming, you want to talk about the autoscale inheritance? | 12:06 |
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| Qiming | asalkeld, sure | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | Qiming, i'll add a topic for the end | 12:06 |
| shardy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119619/ | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | i am going to start moving through the topics now | 12:07 |
| skraynev | oh, sorry. I am late, but I am here :) hi all | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | hi skraynev | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | #topic Critical issues sync | 12:07 |
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| Qiming | thx, guys | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | any critical issues? | 12:07 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1370865 | 12:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370865 in heat "tempest.api.orchestration.stacks.test_update.UpdateStackTestJSON.test_stack_update_add_remove - mismatch error" [Critical,In progress] | 12:08 |
| zaneb | I had a question about one | 12:08 |
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| pas-ha | o/ | 12:08 |
| zaneb | actually never mind. it was https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128159/ but it has been abandoned | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, you want to summerize that's a long bug | 12:09 |
| zaneb | sure. something appears to be afoot with the db | 12:10 |
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| asalkeld | :) | 12:10 |
| zaneb | such that we are sometimes reporting update_complete... | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | ok, is it under control | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | anything we can do to help? | 12:10 |
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| zaneb | and then _subsequently_ when you retrieve the stack, you get data from the old template | 12:11 |
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| asalkeld | that's not fun | 12:11 |
| shardy | zaneb: is that a release blocker for Juno? IIRC we proclaim final release tomorrow? | 12:12 |
| zaneb | it was a low-ish level of failure, then there was a patch that I think made it *much* worse, so I reverted that | 12:12 |
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| zaneb | shardy: correct, and I don't regard this as a blocker | 12:12 |
| shardy | helpfully, in the meantime, QE reverted the only test which triggered it :\ | 12:12 |
| zaneb | yeah, the test has been disabled in Tempest | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | can we drop the severity? | 12:12 |
| zaneb | so I'm not even sure how you would test this | 12:12 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: done | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | ok, then I'll move on | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | #topic Reminder to update midcycle etherpad | 12:13 |
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| ryansb | is the code for the test still in tempest? We could run it locally | 12:13 |
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| shardy | ryansb: No sdague claimed it was broken by design and reverted it | 12:13 |
| zaneb | ryansb: initially they removed it, but I believe they put it back with a skip | 12:14 |
| shardy | stevebaker has a revert-the-revert patch up for discussion | 12:14 |
| shardy | zaneb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126464/ | 12:14 |
| shardy | not yet AFAIK | 12:14 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: what kind of info should be updated? voting for the meetup place ot something else? | 12:14 |
| shardy | unless that patch is a dupe? | 12:14 |
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| asalkeld | skraynev, yip what your preferences are | 12:15 |
| zaneb | shardy: ah, ok, I hadn't kept up with it. just knew they had agreed to it in principle | 12:15 |
| asalkeld | that's all for that topic | 12:15 |
| zaneb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-heat-midcycle-meetup | 12:15 |
| inc0 | Poland is an option, I've spoken with few people and we can get some venue | 12:16 |
| inc0 | depends on number of people attending | 12:16 |
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| asalkeld | nice inc0 | 12:16 |
| zaneb | ooh, Moscow or Poland would be awesome | 12:16 |
| zaneb | *in the Summer* | 12:16 |
| zaneb | ;) | 12:16 |
| asalkeld | we have not shortage of venues | 12:16 |
| inc0 | its seaside;) | 12:16 |
| mspreitz | If you want a real russion experience, you go in the winter | 12:16 |
| tspatzier | zaneb: ha, not in February I guess | 12:17 |
| shardy | I also checked and in theory we could use RHT offices in Brno | 12:17 |
| inc0 | you'll have a chance to take a walk *on the sea* | 12:17 |
| inc0 | not only by the sea | 12:17 |
| tspatzier | since I was not at the last meet-up: what kind of venue is needed? One big room for all, or several breakout rooms? | 12:17 |
| * shardy shivers | 12:17 | |
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| asalkeld | i mostly have shorts | 12:17 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: we did it with one big room, and it worked pretty well I'd say | 12:18 |
| inc0 | yes, it will be well...different than Australia | 12:18 |
| ryansb | mspreitz: that presumes people *want* a russian winter experience | 12:18 |
| asalkeld | with a big white board | 12:18 |
| asalkeld | please | 12:18 |
| zaneb | asalkeld++ | 12:18 |
| inc0 | tho I think all of Europe will be cold at that time | 12:19 |
| inc0 | unless we're talking of Spain or so | 12:19 |
| asalkeld | ok, lets not spend any more time on that | 12:19 |
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| asalkeld | just a reminder | 12:19 |
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| asalkeld | #topic Reminder to update summit session etherpad | 12:19 |
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| asalkeld | another reminder about $topic | 12:19 |
| asalkeld | get on it | 12:20 |
| asalkeld | #topic Convergence: Persisting graph and resource versioning | 12:20 |
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| asalkeld | ok shoot | 12:20 |
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| asalkeld | unmeshg_, ... | 12:20 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/ConvergenceDesign | 12:21 |
| asalkeld | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/convergence | 12:21 |
| ckmvishnu | This would be first step towards convergence | 12:21 |
| ananta | we have the wiki with overall design of convergence | 12:21 |
| unmeshg_ | thanks, we would like to get more eyes on the wiki | 12:21 |
| asalkeld | I have put some comments on the etherpad | 12:21 |
| asalkeld | IMO we need a semi functional PoC before summit | 12:22 |
| ananta | ok | 12:22 |
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| asalkeld | even with fake resources | 12:22 |
| zaneb | I plan to put eyes on this once Juno is out | 12:22 |
| asalkeld | and wobbling | 12:22 |
| ananta | the idea was to bring the persist graph and resource versioning into everyone's notice | 12:22 |
| asalkeld | i don't want to assume the design works | 12:22 |
| ananta | that forms the basis...as I have mentioned in the wiki | 12:22 |
| asalkeld | lets play and make sure | 12:23 |
| ananta | asalkeld, sure | 12:23 |
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| ananta | Ok, so we will have patches for them and folks can play around then | 12:23 |
| zaneb | yeah, I feel like we are flying blind here, and db migrations are pretty much the most expensive thing to be guessing at | 12:23 |
| shardy | unmeshg_: one comment (which I made on the convegence-engine spec review) Is that IMO the convergence worker (and possibly the observer) should be more heat-engine processes | 12:23 |
| shardy | where we just spread out the load by one engine calling another via RPC | 12:23 |
| asalkeld | shardy, isn't that the plan | 12:23 |
| shardy | unless there's a really clear reason for a totally new process | 12:23 |
| zaneb | shardy: they do completely different things | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | (i thoughtit was) | 12:24 |
| shardy | asalkeld: well, it's not from the design in the wiki | 12:24 |
| zaneb | the engine isn't an engine any more | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | really, i thought that was just logical | 12:24 |
| zaneb | it's more of a kickstarter | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | yip | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | s/EngineService/SomethingelseService | 12:24 |
| ananta | yeah...we should discuss on that more...I will try to elaborate more there | 12:25 |
| zaneb | it does the initial db storage and kicks off the process | 12:25 |
| shardy | zaneb: the engine currently creates stacks and resources, we need to decouple those and enable recursion via RPC, similar to what I started for nested stacks | 12:25 |
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| ananta | zaneb: yes | 12:25 |
| inc0 | my question, where will we define what is autohealing strategy? Volume goes ERROR for some reason, what do we do then? | 12:25 |
| asalkeld | that's continous observer | 12:25 |
| shardy | maybe I'm missing context from not being at the meetup, but we shouldn't underestimate the pain related to deployers with adding a bunch of new services vs just adding more of what we have | 12:25 |
| mspreitz | do we want RPC, or work queuing? | 12:25 |
| zaneb | inc0: so the idea is maybe the state will become a property of the volume | 12:26 |
| asalkeld | shardy, i thought we would just have heat-engine | 12:26 |
| asalkeld | and 3 threads | 12:26 |
| zaneb | inc0: so if the state doesn't match the property, then there is work to do | 12:26 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Ok, cool, at least it wasn't just me :) | 12:26 |
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| inc0 | zaneb, sure, and what work that would be? | 12:26 |
| inc0 | in volume case "destroy->create" is not really a good idea | 12:26 |
| inc0 | for example | 12:26 |
| zaneb | inc0: that's up to the plugin | 12:27 |
| asalkeld | more up to the plugin now | 12:27 |
| BillArnold | zaneb what would the default be? | 12:27 |
| ananta | let's save someother day for discussing on the engine or worker part | 12:28 |
| asalkeld | graph? | 12:28 |
| ananta | my agenda was to discuss what is outlined in the wiki and persisting the graph | 12:28 |
| zaneb | BillArnold: I don't think that question makes sense. It's like asking what's the "default" handle_update() now? | 12:28 |
| mspreitz | I think the framework should recognize that some things can be healed by re-creation and some can not | 12:28 |
| ananta | see, the overall design is being put there | 12:28 |
| shardy | ananta: Ok, I just wanted to point it out incase you have folks implementing exactly what is on the wiki page | 12:28 |
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| inc0 | should we add like handle_autoheal() to every resource maybe? | 12:28 |
| mspreitz | FOr those that can not heal by re-create, the heal, if any, is on a bigger scope | 12:29 |
| zaneb | BillArnold, mspreitz : I guess it's "raise UpdateReplace", and will be in future too | 12:29 |
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| shardy | zaneb: well, to be fair, the default update policy is replacement.. | 12:29 |
| shardy | So the default convergence policy might be replacement, or "do nothing" | 12:29 |
| asalkeld | ananta, the graph stuff seems ok to me | 12:29 |
| inc0 | mspreitz, volume is one of examples imho | 12:29 |
| mspreitz | inc0: exactly. The volume itself can not recover | 12:30 |
| mspreitz | I mean, the recovery involves more than a volume | 12:30 |
| asalkeld | my only question is if multiple requests come in create then update how do we deal with multiple graphs | 12:30 |
| ananta | asalkeld: ok | 12:30 |
| mspreitz | asalkeld: huh? REST says each update is given whole new graph | 12:30 |
| asalkeld | ananta, i have put my questions on the etherpad | 12:31 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: yep, that is the $64 question | 12:31 |
| asalkeld | sure it gets a new graph | 12:31 |
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| ckmvishnu | we'll have to work on a single latest graph i suppose | 12:31 |
| asalkeld | but what happens to dangling resources etc. | 12:31 |
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| asalkeld | do we just ditch the older graphs | 12:31 |
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| ckmvishnu | gneed to have a gc running. | 12:32 |
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| mspreitz | asalked: that's why I hate the state = deletme idea. If something is not in the latest desired state, that is what means "delete" | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | also note this graph does seem a lot like a workflow | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | just saying | 12:32 |
| inc0 | asalkeld, what if we are already in process of building graph 1 when graph 2 comes in? that will be often a case, because resources tends to breaks in cascade | 12:32 |
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| mspreitz | asalkeld: I have not been following convergence closely. I had expected graph would be a nodel of desired state, not workflow to get there. | 12:33 |
| inc0 | one fail causes another and observer might see each one as separate failure | 12:33 |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, it seems to be a graph of depenancies | 12:33 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: the graph is dependencies | 12:33 |
| zaneb | both actual and projected | 12:33 |
| asalkeld | but with some extra stuff | 12:33 |
| ckmvishnu | graph will just have edges resorded | 12:33 |
| asalkeld | retries | 12:33 |
| ananta | the graph is dependencies and edges are stored | 12:33 |
| ckmvishnu | recorded | 12:33 |
| ckmvishnu | desired states too are stores in separate model | 12:34 |
| asalkeld | so guys a had a big question about restarting the actions in case of process failer | 12:34 |
| unmeshg_ | @asalkeld: a persisted graph will be deleted only after another graph (after stack update) which has been realized | 12:34 |
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| ananta | please go thro the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123749/ | 12:34 |
| ckmvishnu | i think its part of unmeshg_ commit on convergence observer | 12:35 |
| asalkeld | ok | 12:35 |
| mspreitz | If all you think about is CREATE, then graph w edges looks like a workflow. Add in UPDATE and DELETE, you see your graph is a model of desired state and the workflow is a separate question | 12:35 |
| asalkeld | ckmvishnu, ananta unmeshg_ please note there are lots of people very keen to help (including me) | 12:35 |
| zaneb | unmeshg_: I'm not sure that works. graphs will have dependencies between each other. they need to be combined into one big graph | 12:36 |
| ananta | the graph is just to track the dependencies | 12:36 |
| ananta | it is not workflow | 12:36 |
| asalkeld | if we can get chunks of work to share it would help a lot | 12:36 |
| asalkeld | so please let us know what you are doing | 12:36 |
| asalkeld | and where we can help | 12:36 |
| asalkeld | ananta, kinda | 12:37 |
| ananta | zaneb: the existing graph will be updated with new one...with edges from resources in progress from old graph | 12:37 |
| ananta | in case of an on going update | 12:37 |
| ananta | I have a writeup for this in concurrent stack update which I intend to push siometime | 12:37 |
| asalkeld | ok | 12:37 |
| Qiming | where is the overall architecture design diagram? I saw people mentioned a wiki page? | 12:38 |
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| ananta | qiming: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/ConvergenceDesign | 12:38 |
| ananta | the wiki is not completely complete :) so I can understand folks have lot of concerns and ques | 12:39 |
| ckmvishnu | Qiming: we'll keep updating wiki and all related discussion on ether pad as shared | 12:39 |
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| Qiming | sounds great. | 12:39 |
| ananta | asalkeld: sure we will....we should get the overall picture clear so that we are all comfortable in discussions | 12:39 |
| ckmvishnu | Qiming: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/convergence | 12:39 |
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| asalkeld | ananta, whilst the design is great, I perfer a PoC patch | 12:40 |
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| ananta | asalkeld: sure....that's why we wanted to have many implementable specs so that the patches are smaller in unit and we can test | 12:41 |
| ananta | or play around | 12:41 |
| asalkeld | ok | 12:41 |
| ckmvishnu | asalkeld: Before submit, the better | 12:41 |
| asalkeld | ok, i can move on now if you want | 12:41 |
| ananta | ckmvishnu: yeah...before summit | 12:42 |
| ckmvishnu | do we great a different branch for plc? | 12:42 |
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| ckmvishnu | PoC? | 12:42 |
| asalkeld | no just mark it wip | 12:42 |
| inc0 | any code upstream I can commit to? | 12:43 |
| mspreitz | How would I pick up all the PoC related changes? | 12:43 |
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| asalkeld | the same git review -d | 12:43 |
| shardy | mspreitz: Just pull the branch from the review | 12:43 |
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| asalkeld | #topic autoscaling class re-org | 12:43 |
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| zaneb | ckmvishnu: have them all under one topic would be helpful | 12:43 |
| asalkeld | Qiming, | 12:43 |
| ananta | that's a good question... since the changes are going to bit bigger...i think we can have a branch | 12:43 |
| ananta | just my thoughts | 12:43 |
| zaneb | ckmvishnu: i.e. use a different local branch, but still submit against master | 12:44 |
| Qiming | okay, regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119619/ | 12:44 |
| skraynev | ananta: will be enought to have different topic | 12:44 |
| shardy | ananta: a series of patches posted for review is a branch, effectively | 12:44 |
| Qiming | I have got quite some constructive comments on it | 12:44 |
| Qiming | it is a first step for the spec: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/heat-specs/specs/reorg-autoscaling-group.html | 12:44 |
| zaneb | shardy: a topic makes searching easy though | 12:44 |
| ananta | sure, then | 12:45 |
| ckmvishnu | zaneb: Sure :) | 12:45 |
| shardy | zaneb: yup, agreed | 12:45 |
| mspreitz | Does http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/heat-specs/specs/reorg-autoscaling-group.html imply duplicated code between the AWS and OS ASGs? | 12:45 |
| skraynev | :) | 12:45 |
| asalkeld | Qiming, so i think actually seeing the changes makes me wonder about the value | 12:45 |
| Qiming | there are multiple goals in this work: 1) tweak the ASG class hierarchy; 2) split AWS and Heat version ASG; 3) use namespace for separation; 4) add test cases to Heat version | 12:45 |
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| Qiming | so far, as I just summarized, the main concerns are: 1) no immediate benefits; 2) a lot of work; 3) complicated hierarchy; 4) similaritybtw InstanceGroup and ResourceGroup; 5) should use utility functions whenever possible; 6) patches in that chain are too small | 12:45 |
| Qiming | 1 and 2: pains I'm prepared to take, for the long term benefits this can bring to the project | 12:46 |
| shardy | mspreitz: no, but we want to break the model where the native resource inherits from the AWS one | 12:46 |
| Qiming | regarding 3): I don't agree, the intent was to straighthen the relationship, not to make it more complicated. | 12:46 |
| shardy | mspreitz: so the common code needs to move somewhere | 12:46 |
| zaneb | Qiming: so the long term goal here should be that we can move the autoscaling stuff behind a separate (Python) API that doesn't dig around in stack internals | 12:46 |
| zaneb | instead of having the implementation mingled with the resources | 12:46 |
| Qiming | zaneb, I got the points | 12:46 |
| asalkeld | Qiming, i guess i tend to perfer a collection of shared functions | 12:47 |
| zaneb | so that we can eventually move it to a separate process | 12:47 |
| Qiming | so I listed them as point 5 and 6, that's something I will bear in mind going further on this path | 12:47 |
| asalkeld | and a flatter class structure | 12:47 |
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| mspreitz | shardy: I do not see a place for the common code in the hierarchy in http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/heat-specs/specs/reorg-autoscaling-group.html | 12:47 |
| Qiming | asalkeld, the current hierarchy is flawed, if we want to reorg it, the earlier the better | 12:48 |
| shardy | mspreitz: evidently, which is why we're having this discussion :) | 12:48 |
| Qiming | making InstanceGroup a subclass of ResourceGroup is not only a concept problem | 12:48 |
| Qiming | they are indeed quite similar | 12:48 |
| asalkeld | Qiming, sure but you could just go straight from resource to asg | 12:48 |
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| Qiming | as I have replied shardy here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119619/1/heat/engine/resources/autoscaling.py | 12:49 |
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| Qiming | for some related bugs, if we don't have class hierarchy, the code may have to be duplicated as I can imagine | 12:49 |
| Qiming | I agree we sould abstract utility functions out of class implementation whenever possible | 12:50 |
| Qiming | I don't see a big conflict here | 12:50 |
| asalkeld | it really make unit testing alot easier | 12:50 |
| asalkeld | shrug, ok | 12:50 |
| Qiming | in fact, in that chain of patches, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123481/ is the current bottleneck | 12:51 |
| Qiming | once I'm through that, the next "big" things would be: 1) extract utility functions from AWS ASG into a module; 2) subclass Heat AutoScalingGroup directly from ResourceGroup, while reusing those utility functions to avoid code duplication as much as possible. | 12:51 |
| asalkeld | #action please all have a look and give some constructive feedback | 12:51 |
| Qiming | I'm expecting less rebase efforts once the rough split (#123481) is done. | 12:51 |
| Qiming | thank you all for your time on reviewing this, :) | 12:51 |
| asalkeld | ok, Qiming lets move on | 12:52 |
| zaneb | Qiming: imho the current hierarchy is exactly backwards | 12:52 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: could you specify have a look "WHAT" in action :) | 12:52 |
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| asalkeld | ok | 12:52 |
| zaneb | Qiming: InstanceGroup should inherit from AutoscalingGroup | 12:52 |
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| skraynev | asalkeld: we just may forget.. | 12:52 |
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| zaneb | so this change seems to be entrenching us further in the backwards way to me | 12:52 |
| asalkeld | #action please all have a look at review 119619 and give some constructive feedback | 12:52 |
| skraynev | thx | 12:53 |
| asalkeld | moving along... | 12:53 |
| asalkeld | #topic the harestarter | 12:53 |
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| asalkeld | mspreitz, ... | 12:53 |
| Qiming | zaneb, cannot get the point at the moment, but will think about it | 12:53 |
| mspreitz | So we discussed some possibilities last time, but did not reach an agreement... | 12:54 |
| mspreitz | What I am looking for is a reason to expect that users will get a transition period. | 12:54 |
| mspreitz | Here are the leading possibilities I see: | 12:54 |
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| asalkeld | mspreitz, i think that is reasonable | 12:54 |
| inc0 | mspreitz, shouldn't we discuss that in design summit? | 12:54 |
| asalkeld | inc0, yeah the solution (new thing) | 12:55 |
| zaneb | is there anything more to say about this other than #action everyone re-review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124656/ ? | 12:55 |
| mspreitz | (interrupte) inc0: if you are willing to hold up convergence until L, then yes | 12:55 |
| zaneb | because this is my least-favourite conversation topic. | 12:55 |
| mspreitz | The timing problem is this: if HARestarter is inconsisent with convergence then you need to do something 1 release before convergence | 12:55 |
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| asalkeld | mspreitz, i don't think this will be needed | 12:56 |
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| mspreitz | asalkeld: what, and why not? | 12:56 |
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| asalkeld | we can make a resource that runs 2 updates on the stack (remove and add resources) | 12:57 |
| asalkeld | (to re-create) | 12:57 |
| asalkeld | (to duplicate the current functionality) | 12:57 |
| shardy | zaneb: +1 | 12:57 |
| inc0 | I really don't think pinging via network is good way to check resource health | 12:58 |
| mspreitz | If the people working on convergence agree that we can and will put a new implementation behind the OS::Heat::HARestarter name, then I am happy | 12:58 |
| Qiming | aka, the default 'handle_autoheal()' | 12:58 |
| shardy | AFAIK we said, deprecate but not remove until a viable replacement exists, which may be health-aware ASG | 12:58 |
| asalkeld | mspreitz, i am fine with that | 12:58 |
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| asalkeld | we need to make it work | 12:58 |
| mspreitz | except, of course, that the name is a bug! | 12:59 |
| asalkeld | at least no worse than now | 12:59 |
| mspreitz | but we can fix that separately | 12:59 |
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| mspreitz | asalkeld: I am hearing crickets from the convergence people | 12:59 |
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| Qiming | InstanceRecreater | 12:59 |
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| asalkeld | mspreitz, we are the convergence people | 12:59 |
| inc0 | Qiming, please...don't... | 12:59 |
| asalkeld | ok nearly timeout | 13:00 |
| mspreitz | Anant, what do you think? | 13:00 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 15 13:00:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-10-15-12.00.html | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-10-15-12.00.txt | 13:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-10-15-12.00.log.html | 13:00 |
| asalkeld | move to #heat | 13:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 15 15:03:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello hello | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | hows is everyone? | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic XenServer CI | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "XenServer CI (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:04 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so I guess we start with a CI update | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: hows things going with CI? | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | I've just asked Mate to join too | 15:05 |
| BobBall | but CI is going well ATM | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | failure rate is way down | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | awesome | 15:05 |
| BobBall | http://www.rcbops.com/gerrit/reports/nova-cireport.html seems higly broken though :) | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | well the run rate is probably lower too I guess | 15:06 |
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| matel | Hello | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | Failure rate percentage wise | 15:06 |
| BobBall | it's very small now | 15:06 |
| BobBall | I suspect due to the coalescing fix | 15:06 |
| BobBall | {'': 37, 'Failed': 15, None: 15, 'Passed': 238, 'Aborted: No result found': 2} | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, thats possible | 15:07 |
| BobBall | Failure rate used to be around 15% | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | but that's what... 6-7%? | 15:07 |
| BobBall | at a rough guess | 15:07 |
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| matel | BobBall: does it include the failures due to invalid code? | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | yes matel | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | invalid code? | 15:07 |
| BobBall | bad patches | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, right | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | gotcha | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | so I think all's good on the CI front | 15:08 |
| matel | Do we know the failure rate for other CI systems? | 15:08 |
| BobBall | No | 15:08 |
| BobBall | because the nova-cireport is broken :) | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | But anyway, we're not seeing many failures now | 15:09 |
| BobBall | and that's all I care about :) | 15:10 |
| BobBall | (in that little world) | 15:10 |
| matel | ok | 15:11 |
| matel | I was playing with neutron the last two days. | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, interensting | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | is that for moving the CI to neutron? | 15:11 |
| matel | We'll see, first we want to see in what state we are in. | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, gotcha | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | just thinking about CI stuff | 15:12 |
| matel | I'm logging my work here: https://github.com/citrix-openstack/blogentries/blob/master/neutron_on_xenserver.md | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | are we just seeing errors that are related to general issues? | 15:12 |
| BobBall | We're making our internal CI on neutron work | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:12 |
| matel | At the moment I got to the point where I can deploy something that's using neutron. | 15:12 |
| matel | ====== | 15:13 |
| matel | Totals | 15:13 |
| matel | ====== | 15:13 |
| matel | Run: 614 in 1484.443647 sec. | 15:13 |
| matel | - Passed: 500 | 15:13 |
| matel | - Skipped: 55 | 15:13 |
| matel | - Failed: 59 | 15:13 |
| BobBall | Excellent | 15:13 |
| matel | So I guess a lot of work needs to be done. | 15:13 |
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| BobBall | I'm assuming that the 500 jobs are the ones that don't use VMs ;) | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, probably not starting instances | 15:13 |
| matel | I will propose several devstack changes. | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, makes sense | 15:14 |
| matel | I haven't looked at the particular test cases yet. | 15:14 |
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| matel | first things first: 1.) Be able to deploy it | 15:14 |
| matel | That's really all from me. | 15:15 |
| BobBall | Tis good tis good | 15:15 |
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| matel | are you repeating are you repeating yourself yourself? | 15:15 |
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| BobBall | Perhaps... perhaps... | 15:15 |
| BobBall | Anyway - move on? | 15:15 |
| matel | sure | 15:16 |
| BobBall | (oh, we already have! not talking about the CI now!) | 15:16 |
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| BobBall | So I'd like to refresh the list of XenServer modifications OpenStack would find useful. | 15:16 |
| BobBall | Do either of you have suggestions for that? | 15:17 |
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| matel | Do we have a list to start with? | 15:17 |
| BobBall | I think so - but it's an old + internal list | 15:18 |
| matel | BobBall: should we put some ideas on OS wiki? | 15:18 |
| BobBall | https://info.citrite.net/display/Partner/OpenStack+-+Required+PR+list | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | erm, external ones maybe? | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I gues we all said that | 15:19 |
| BobBall | I'm trying to form an internal request list - certainly some of those aren't things that should be externally listed | 15:19 |
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| BobBall | But what thoughts do you have? I can make sure they are on the internal list | 15:19 |
| BobBall | matel: that list does need to be updated, I know. | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, OK | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | so requests for XenServer features? | 15:20 |
| matel | BobBall: I am looking at the list, but at the moment can't even comment on that. | 15:20 |
| BobBall | features or modifications yes | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | import / export is the biggest pain | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | live-migrate and hooks for VIF stuff keeps coming up | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | but thats the main bits | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | python2.7 in Dom0 wouldn't hurt | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | usual things really | 15:22 |
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| matel | BobBall: while I'm playing with neutron - a more recent version of OVS? | 15:22 |
| BobBall | Well we've upgraded python in Creedence | 15:22 |
| BobBall | hooks for VIF scripts? | 15:22 |
| BobBall | OVS is also upgrading in Creedence | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | whats creedence? | 15:22 |
| BobBall | XenServer 6.5 | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, I thought that was happening last I heard, cools | 15:23 |
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| BobBall | oh | 15:23 |
| BobBall | hang on | 15:23 |
| BobBall | I thought we did | 15:23 |
| BobBall | I'll have to check on that | 15:23 |
| BobBall | latest build I've just checked has 2.4.3... | 15:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | 2.7.x is my hope, one day | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | along with CentOS 6.x or ideally 7.x | 15:25 |
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| BobBall | We'll cross our fingers for that john :) | 15:25 |
| BobBall | OVS is definitely upgraded though matel | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | indeed | 15:25 |
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| BobBall | upgraded to 2.1.3 | 15:25 |
| matel | looking at: https://github.com/xapi-project/sm/blob/xs64bit/tests/install_prerequisites_for_python_unittests.sh - it seems to use 2.4 | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, thats quite new, cool | 15:25 |
| BobBall | Yes matel - I was mistaken | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, import / export is probably the big one for reliability | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | just thinking of what plugins and hacks we could remove | 15:26 |
| BobBall | Indeed. I'm working on import/export | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | (or at least what we could simplify, then properly unit tests) | 15:27 |
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| BobBall | (working as in trying to persuade - not coding yet) | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: OK, we are looking at possibly doing partial snapshots and stuff soon | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so the requirements are probably growing a little | 15:27 |
| BobBall | Very interesting. | 15:27 |
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| BobBall | Yes - let's talk about that | 15:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I want to split our base images into two, then have customer images on top of that, and store the differences in glance, with links to the parent | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | I need to look at the stats to see how much it will help, but thats pencilled in | 15:28 |
| BobBall | *nod* | 15:28 |
| BobBall | Sounds like a plan. | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, idea being to speed up builds of snapshots | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | i mean it will probably slow down the XenServer CI, but hey ho | 15:30 |
| BobBall | why would it slow it down? | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | well your image contains very few blocks that were in the original base image | 15:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, maybe its got some, but you know, its anoyingly different | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I clearly didn't change the topic | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 15:31 |
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| matel | not from me. | 15:32 |
| BobBall | nah | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | a 30 mins back | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 15:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 15 15:32:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-10-15-15.03.html | 15:32 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-10-15-15.03.txt | 15:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-10-15-15.03.log.html | 15:32 |
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| e0ne | hi! | 15:57 |
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| scottda | hey | 15:59 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 15 16:00:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| hemna | how d | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 16:00 |
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| thingee | Hi everyone | 16:00 |
| kmartin | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o? | 16:00 |
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| hemna | I don't think we have enough on the agenda | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | hey | 16:00 |
| hemna | :P | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | I mean | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
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| DuncanT-1 | hi | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| thangp | o/ | 16:00 |
| thingee | We have a lot to go over, so lets get to it! | 16:00 |
| smcginni1 | o/ | 16:00 |
| thingee | #topic OSLO liason | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OSLO liason (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
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| thingee | oh yes, the agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-1: isn't that you ? | 16:01 |
| glenng | Hi all! | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I was wondering that too. | 16:01 |
| thingee | so someone else can offer on a per release | 16:01 |
| thingee | this will be for kilo | 16:01 |
| DuncanT-1 | jgriffith: Timezone changes are going to make that impractical | 16:01 |
| thingee | sign up is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 16:01 |
| DuncanT-1 | jgriffith: So I'm stepping down | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-1: got it | 16:01 |
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| thingee | I'm still looking for someone to facilitate this. | 16:02 |
| winston-d | DuncanT-1: you are moving somewhere else? | 16:02 |
| DuncanT-1 | winston-d: Israel | 16:02 |
| winston-d | DuncanT-1: wow, nice. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | If no one else is interested I can take a look at this. | 16:03 |
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| hemna | considering that I don't plan on putting brick into OSLO, I'm not sure I'm the right person for the oslo liason :P | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT-: Is it just making sure we keep things in sync? | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: You'd be a good fit IMHO | 16:03 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: you've been doing a lot of this sort of work anyway | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: with the i8n and gettext stuff | 16:03 |
| thingee | I've been actually waiting for jungleboyj to step up to it. :) | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I knew I would regret saying that. ;-) | 16:03 |
| hemna | :) | 16:03 |
| DuncanT-1 | jungleboyj: Keeping things in sync, working through graduations (see the bug I filed today), generally talking to the oslo guys about cinder problems | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: thingee how about jungleboyj considers it | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok ok. I am on it. :-p | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | if he's not sure I can maybe take a look at it | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: sweet! | 16:04 |
| * jgriffith dodges a bullet :) | 16:04 | |
| jungleboyj | I was going to look into it more but have been out since last Friday. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | I will go sign myself up. | 16:04 |
| thingee | #agreed jungleboyj will be the OSLO liaison from Cinder for Kilo | 16:04 |
| kmartin | next topic before jungleboyj changings his mind | 16:04 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: thank you :) | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: honestly it's not a huge undertaking and working with dhellmann and co is rather nice | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Agreed. | 16:05 |
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| thingee | #topic thirdparty CI voting permissions | 16:05 |
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| hemna | 1 beer for jungleboyj | 16:05 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-meeting-20141008 | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Plus the guys I work with a lot is always active in Oslo, so it shouldn't be a big deal. | 16:05 |
| thingee | hemna: +1 | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Thanks! | 16:05 |
| thingee | so not too many people were involved with the discussion here. | 16:05 |
| thingee | I'm also in agreement with jgriffith that it doesn't make much sense at this point. | 16:06 |
| thingee | I would like to see CI's become a common thing before I worry about this | 16:06 |
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| hemna | thingee, +1 | 16:06 |
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| thingee | Honestly I would like to help vendors on this front and focus on getting people there, before we worry about this | 16:06 |
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| thingee | and asselin_ has been a big help with helping me :) | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:06 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:07 |
| * DuncanT-1 can't see a downside to letting those who think they're ready vote, but meh, it isn't that important, I can script around it | 16:07 | |
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| winston-d | is vendor CI supposed to vote for every commit? | 16:07 |
| thingee | #idea punt ci voting permissions until we can help vendors with setting up their CI systems. | 16:07 |
| patrickeast | so if that is the decision can we update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/how-to-contribute-a-driver#Third_Party_CI_Requirement_Policy with our current policy? | 16:07 |
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| thingee | winston-d: yes | 16:08 |
| thingee | patrickeast: yes | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | thingee: so I guess my take was different here.... | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | thingee: my take was "if you think you are ready and want to do it it's on you" | 16:08 |
| winston-d | for example, I didn't see SolidFire CI's +-1 on some patch set for jgriffith's last SF driver change. | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | thingee: but that the Cinder team shouldn't be making it a requirement (yet) | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | or focusing a ton of time/effort on it | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | winston-d: yeah... I need to adjust my system after that goes through :) | 16:09 |
| thingee | honestly I would like those people that are ready to help others than focus on meeting a non-requirement. | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d: I only vote on Jenkins +2 and I have an issue with network dropping in my lab | 16:09 |
| glenng | jgriffith: Question then is whether it is a blocking vote. Bad CI can block a lot of work. | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | so I don't report failures on that particular case. that patch should allow me to change that | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | glenng: never blocking IMO | 16:09 |
| DuncanT-1 | glenng: No, it is never a blocking vote | 16:10 |
| glenng | *feels better then* | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1 I think your points are good ones | 16:10 |
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| thingee | #action thingee to update wiki on this not being a requirement | 16:10 |
| thingee | #agreed to punt until we can have better documentation to help vendors getting their CI's setup | 16:11 |
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| thingee | #action thingee to help start documentation on getting a CI setup for Cinder as he is learning | 16:11 |
| thingee | anything else? | 16:12 |
| patrickeast | sounds good to me | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | +1 | 16:12 |
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| thingee | thank you everyone for the help and discussion on this from here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-meeting-20141008 | 16:12 |
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| thingee | #topic state machine | 16:12 |
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| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-cinder-state-and-workflow-management | 16:13 |
| thingee | that's the previous discussions | 16:13 |
| thingee | and the approved spec for juno | 16:13 |
| thingee | #link https://github.com/openstack/cinder-specs/blob/master/specs/juno/create-states.rst | 16:13 |
| thingee | harlowja_away and DuncanT-1 listed on this one | 16:13 |
| thingee | There are a couple of outstanding patches: | 16:14 |
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| hemna | so how does this work relate to the volume object state stuff that was discussed in the mid-summit meetup ? | 16:14 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110434/17 | 16:14 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124205/ | 16:14 |
| flip214 | thingee: why not use SELECT FOR UPDATE locks in the database instead of a DLM? | 16:14 |
| DuncanT-1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110434 is pretty much unrelated | 16:14 |
| hemna | DuncanT-1, ok that's what I thought. | 16:14 |
| DuncanT-1 | flip214: Because you can't hold a select lock across an RPC | 16:14 |
| DuncanT-1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124205/ is starting to head in the right direction | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | thingee: harlowja_away so I was good reading the rst doc | 16:15 |
| DuncanT-1 | The states aren't necessarily the right ones yet, but heading in the right direction | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | thingee: harlowja_away and good with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110434 | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: harlowja_away but then I threw up when I looked at the follow ups that were added | 16:15 |
| thingee | hemna, DuncanT-1: sorry have them both listed cause there is a dependency link | 16:16 |
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| flip214 | DuncanT-1: and that is needed? I thought that with python green threads blocking the origin thread would hold it via the DB handle? | 16:16 |
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| DuncanT-1 | flip214: RPCs in cinder are mostly none-blocking | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: harlowja_away DuncanT-1 the other proposal we talked about at the mid-cycle meetup; | 16:16 |
| asselin_ | hi | 16:16 |
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| flip214 | hrmpf | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | was to go to an object model for the volume reference | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | IMO that in an of itself would be a great start/improvement | 16:17 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:17 |
| DuncanT-1 | jgriffith: I am leaning that way for the rolling upgrade stuff | 16:17 |
| hemna | that's kinda the confusion I have here. is how the 2 efforts relate to each other if at all | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-1: which way? The "object" model? | 16:17 |
| DuncanT-1 | jgriffith: Not convinced it makes a huge difference for state machine | 16:17 |
| thingee | jgriffith: are those thoughts documented in the followup review? | 16:18 |
| DuncanT-1 | jgriffith: Then object model, yeah | 16:18 |
| thingee | vilobh and co have been quick on taking care of concerns | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | thingee: nope, I've been focused on this little thing called Juno | 16:18 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | which FYI we haven't finished yet | 16:18 |
| thingee | ok, would someone mind raising the concerns, or just spend time explaining to me and I can document them so we can continue progress on this? | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | thingee: sure... I'll add a comment to the reivew | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | review | 16:20 |
| DuncanT-1 | thingee: My first concern is that the db to hold microstate won't scale | 16:20 |
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| DuncanT-1 | thingee: So an extra layer of abstraction would really help to develop a scalable alternative in parallel | 16:21 |
| hemna | DuncanT-1, and if the microstates aren't persisted somewhere, then we can't really safely shutdown cinder | 16:21 |
| thingee | DuncanT-1: ok, lets talk after the meeting. This is better than what I was hearing from people on these patches last week :) | 16:21 |
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| thingee | I wanted to at least know we're going in somewhat of a right direction that can be improved | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | thingee: done | 16:22 |
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| DuncanT-1 | thingee: Unfortunately it'll have to be tomorrow, got to run after the meeting | 16:22 |
| thingee | #action jgriffith to raise concerns in patch that were mentioned in midcycle meetup | 16:22 |
| thingee | DuncanT-1: sure | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | as I said ^^ done :) | 16:22 |
| thingee | #agreed patches are going somewhat in right approach and can be improved. | 16:23 |
| thingee | #topic rolling upgrades | 16:23 |
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| thingee | DuncanT-1: you're up | 16:23 |
| DuncanT-1 | Ok | 16:23 |
| hemna | jgriffith, good review notes. nice | 16:23 |
| DuncanT-1 | So I've still not posted specs, which is poor of me | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | hemna: why thank ya sir | 16:23 |
| hemna | DuncanT-1, do we have a cinder-specs yet for this ? | 16:24 |
| DuncanT-1 | The first part is RPC version clamping - easy to add, should have code up at the same time as the spe | 16:24 |
| DuncanT-1 | c | 16:24 |
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| DuncanT-1 | hemna: I'll post up something later - it is rough but should do for discussion | 16:24 |
| hemna | awesome | 16:24 |
| DuncanT-1 | RPC version clamping makes everybody's life harder in future though | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-1: personally I'd love to see your plan/spec before code :) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | just sayin | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | and what "version clamping" means in your context | 16:25 |
| thingee | DuncanT-1: I agree with jgriffith.. you'll get frustrated if you don't have an agreed approach to reference later. | 16:25 |
| DuncanT-1 | jgriffith: The code is only just enough to clearly illustrate the idea, which I was finding really hard in the spec | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-1: fair enough | 16:25 |
| DuncanT-1 | The code should be cleansed with fire before being rewritten for actual merge | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-1: I'm just leary because remember we did RPC versioning saying "oh... now we can do rolling upgrades" | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | that wasn't quite accurate | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | I'd like a better definition of the use case | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | or problem we're solving exactly | 16:26 |
| DuncanT-1 | jgriffith: Yeah, sadly we don't handle what happens when one side can't do the new version yet | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | if it's wheels on a moving bus vs transmission and engine | 16:26 |
| hemna | round and round.... | 16:26 |
| DuncanT-1 | jgriffith: I'll post something rough and ready tonight or tomorrow | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-1: sounds great to me | 16:27 |
| DuncanT-1 | My fault for letting it slide.... stupid LVM bugs | 16:27 |
| thingee | DuncanT-1: posted code or spec?? | 16:27 |
| bswartz | the code is the spec! | 16:27 |
| thingee | #action DuncanT-1 to have rough code posted tonight or tomorrow | 16:27 |
| thingee | DuncanT-1: anything else? | 16:28 |
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| DuncanT-1 | thingee: I'll post both | 16:28 |
| thingee | #topic Agree on NFS sec patch approach | 16:28 |
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| DuncanT-1 | thingee: That's it for now... db still not covered, but one thing at a time | 16:28 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107693/ | 16:28 |
| thingee | glenng: you're up | 16:29 |
| glenng | I have added comments to recite the Core consensus. Please take a moment to read and comfirm for next patch. | 16:29 |
| glenng | There are 3 primary points that I belive that the core came to an agreement on… | 16:29 |
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| eharney | did everyone actually agree on whether we should do the check in the manager where it isn't needed by many drivers, vs. a db call in the driver? | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | eharney: :) | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | eharney: I'm going to yield on this one I think | 16:30 |
| glenng | eharney: That was what I got from it. Almost everyone did not want the driver looking in the DB. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | eharney: your point about the init timing is fair | 16:30 |
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| thingee | I still think we're doing workarounds a requirement that's not even a problem in this case. | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | eharney: I still think it's doable but I don't want to block this or continue making waves | 16:31 |
| eharney | i'm basically where thingee is on that | 16:31 |
| thingee | No one has really given me a reason why approach is a problem except that the driver has access. | 16:31 |
| hemna | I'm on the fence about it | 16:31 |
| eharney | until we have a more general solution for how to do this type of thing, i'm not that concerned about eliminating it in cases that aren't problematic just for the sake of it | 16:31 |
| thingee | why my approach* | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | thingee: sorry... can you expand on your comment? | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | thingee: ohh... got it | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | didn't see the next comment yet | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: eharney fair enough | 16:32 |
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| thingee | if anyone wants to read my comment, it's the last one here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107693/14/cinder/volume/manager.py | 16:33 |
| bswartz | thingee: you're in favor of allowing a driver to make a DB call just this once? | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I'm kinda confused now... that seems pretty close to what I have been saying all along? | 16:34 |
| thingee | yes if no one sees a risk with it | 16:34 |
| glenng | *is very confused* | 16:34 |
| thingee | bswartz: ^ | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: just allows the call | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | anyway... | 16:35 |
| thingee | it's read only for something at start up | 16:35 |
| bswartz | the risk is that others will use this as an example of why they should be allowed to use the DB inside their driver in the future | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: +10000 | 16:35 |
| bswartz | the team will have to be vigilant against that possibility | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | bswartz: and historically we're not very vigilant | 16:35 |
| hemna | yup :( | 16:35 |
| DuncanT-1 | I'd like to look at fixing up all the other instances too | 16:35 |
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| thingee | bswartz: I can see that as a good point | 16:35 |
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| DuncanT-1 | Hard to tell people they can't do it when we're letting it happen in other place though | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | #proposal just merge the patch and address better ways to do it going forward | 16:36 |
| eharney | the method in the patch isn't what we're leaning toward here | 16:36 |
| bswartz | I think we assumed that allowing database access in the driver was a SUPER EVIL thing to do and thus designed this somewhat awkward workaround | 16:36 |
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| eharney | still need to get glenng's last comments in sync with a consensus here | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | add a comment # DONT DO THIS, this is a special case | 16:36 |
| xyang1 | driver calls DB in a lot of places today. If we want to discourage that, we should document it somewhere. | 16:36 |
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| bswartz | so we need a decision to merge or to do yet another change cycle on this one | 16:38 |
| eharney | it's not ready to merge | 16:38 |
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| bswartz | eharney: why not? | 16:38 |
| DuncanT-1 | Merge it. There are 22 other cases to fix, one more doesn't make much odds | 16:38 |
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| DuncanT-1 | Including the LVM driver | 16:38 |
| eharney | because the patch that's posted now isn't even doing the method we are talking about allowing | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: the patch now is more what I liked | 16:38 |
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| glenng | So using the kwargs to pass the information from the VolumeManage to the driver does seem like a viable solution if we want to keep DB calls out of the driver. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: but people don't like that a function is getting called that returns False most of the time | 16:39 |
| hemna | glenng, +1 | 16:39 |
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| glenng | jgriffith: That is a different issue from how we get the DB info to the driver. | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | glenng: well.... ummm.... ok | 16:39 |
| glenng | We will still have to have the volume driver check if the actual driver is secure. | 16:39 |
| thingee | glenng: I think that's what we'll have to go with. I don't like the approach personally, but others seem to favor it | 16:39 |
| eharney | jgriffith: yeah i don't want everyone showing up in six months complaining about remotefs-specific warts in the manager | 16:39 |
| glenng | The volume driver is performing file operations. | 16:39 |
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| DuncanT-1 | I prefer the kwargs option, it's cleaner, but I'll no longer get overly upset if the db in the driver approach is used | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | eharney: that's probably good thinking | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | eharney: especially since I'd be the first to bitch about it :) | 16:40 |
| DuncanT-1 | eharney: If we get to the point that those are our worst warts in six months time, I'll be very happy | 16:40 |
| bswartz | so what I hear is that everyone is okay with the current patchset except eharney | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | glenng: DuncanT-1 we've used kwargs in numerous places and IMO I think it's a clean solution | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: not completely | 16:41 |
| DuncanT-1 | jgriffith: I prefer it | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: and eharney makes a pretty strong point | 16:41 |
| thingee | #agreed kwarg approach is it, the volume manager will query if there are any volumes that exist per backend. | 16:41 |
| glenng | So, we wnat kwargs over DB lookupin driver. Correct all? | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | I think one last spin using kwargs is good | 16:41 |
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| thingee | #agreed db look ups of any kind from the driver is bad | 16:41 |
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| glenng | Okay, do we want the operations moved into RemoteFS? | 16:42 |
| thingee | glenng: yes | 16:42 |
| eharney | there are still other finer points being reviewed in there so don't go +Aing the next patchset too fast :) | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | eharney: why are you looking at me :) | 16:42 |
| glenng | OK, then that leaves the last item of volume driver must have a new method to ask driver if it is secure. Okay? | 16:42 |
| eharney | jgriffith: just to whoever | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | eharney: I know... I was kidding | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | everybody is so darn stuffy lately | 16:43 |
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| glenng | Volume driver will call it and most will say False. NFS and maybe remoteFS could say True. | 16:43 |
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| eharney | glenng: that will be internal to the driver right? | 16:43 |
| glenng | eharney: The override of the method would be driver specific. This is how a driver would become secure. | 16:43 |
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| glenng | Otherwise the base method says False when called. | 16:44 |
| DuncanT-1 | Can I hate on the name 'secure' for a minute? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | glenng: eharney base method in block drivers just auto return false? base method in shares drivers makes the call maybe? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | glenng: ok | 16:44 |
| eharney | I'd make it a property rather than a method personally | 16:44 |
| glenng | Hate away but it is accurate ;-) | 16:44 |
| eharney | but the idea makes sense | 16:44 |
| DuncanT-1 | Other than the name, I'm happy enough | 16:44 |
| bswartz | duncant: do you have a better term? | 16:44 |
| flip214 | eharney: it might depend on the specific configuration. | 16:44 |
| DuncanT-1 | bswartz: Erm, working on it | 16:44 |
| eharney | flip214: that's fine | 16:45 |
| bswartz | the name doesn't thrill me but no better name ever crossed my mind | 16:45 |
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| glenng | eharney: And ther may be different checks to determine if operating in secure mode. | 16:45 |
| DuncanT-1 | bswartz: I'm struggling, I just don't like the idea of most drivers claiming not to be secure | 16:45 |
| DuncanT-1 | secure_mode_needed? | 16:45 |
| DuncanT-1 | bswartz: It | 16:45 |
| eharney | glenng: flip214: it's a boolean return describing the state of how it's setup. @property is perfect for that, it can do the same thing the method does | 16:45 |
| eharney | but no need to get hung up on that | 16:45 |
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| DuncanT-1 | bswartz: It is a minor concern, not going to block anything on it, just expressing my distaste | 16:46 |
| thingee | eharney, DuncanT-1: on these particular details, I would like to defer them to #openstack-cinder, but I think we're agreeing on a approach, which is great! | 16:46 |
| glenng | DuncanT-1: Option now will be nas_secure_file_operations. Is that okay? | 16:46 |
| DuncanT-1 | thingee: Agreed | 16:46 |
| DuncanT-1 | glenng: Perfect | 16:46 |
| DuncanT-1 | glenng: Thanks! | 16:46 |
| thingee | awesome, thanks everyone | 16:47 |
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| glenng | DuncanT-1: and the other options will be nas_secure_file_permissions. | 16:47 |
| thingee | #topic Kilo Stabilization | 16:47 |
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| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-stabilisation-work | 16:47 |
| thingee | For the most part, the high priority items are picked up. There are some new higher priority items that were recently added that have not been verified | 16:48 |
| hemna | do we have specs for each of the items picked up yet? | 16:48 |
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| hemna | I think Duncan is going to give us one for the rolling upgrade soon. | 16:48 |
| thingee | hemna: state machine: check, rolling upgrade: coming soon from duncan, scalability: has a dependency on state machine | 16:49 |
| hemna | the Fix database abuse and scalability items seem very open ended. It would be nice if we had some concrete approaches for helping achieve those goals. | 16:49 |
| eharney | i was just thinking the same thing re: database | 16:49 |
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| thingee | hemna, eharney: +! | 16:49 |
| thingee | +1 even | 16:50 |
| thingee | whoa | 16:50 |
| thangp | i thought there are plans to make cinder objects to fix the db abuse | 16:50 |
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| thingee | thangp: what does that mean? | 16:51 |
| DuncanT-1 | Just reviewing all the queries we generate is a start, make sure we don't have anymore of the queries-per-record things we had going on | 16:51 |
| thangp | jgriffith, mentioned it above... | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: the volume objects piece | 16:51 |
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| hemna | thangp, the volume objects piece was for state mgmt | 16:51 |
| thangp | ah ok | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | thingee: rather than call the db 100 times in the process of a volume create gettting the ref over and over and over | 16:51 |
| thingee | gotcha | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | thingee: it's actually both :) | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | thingee: thangp also some of that I started by getting rid of the stupid: | 16:52 |
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| DuncanT-1 | Helps with schema upgrade on a live system too | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | db.volume_update; db.volume_get | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | since the update returns an updated ref | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | Why would we then immediately do a get on what we just updated :) | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | stuff like that | 16:52 |
| DuncanT-1 | Note that several attempts to optimise db accesses have resulted in later bugs though... | 16:52 |
| DuncanT-1 | And I don't understand half of them | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | we need to cull all of that sort of crap out as a start IMO | 16:53 |
| thingee | so I really think we're in good shape with what we want to accomplish this release. I think state machine and rolling upgrades are going to need to help from everyone, not just the people leading it, so I'd rather not get everyone too over subscribed | 16:53 |
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| hemna | thingee, I can look into the sqlalchemy db sql dumps | 16:53 |
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| hemna | and see if I can at least get a list of the queries | 16:54 |
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| rushiagr | I'd like to volunteer myself if any help is needed w.r.t. DB related work | 16:54 |
| thingee | I'll review and encourage others to review what's being posted on there, and if you don't see a bp/spec for it and interested in helping out, please propose away! | 16:54 |
| thingee | hemna: awesome, thanks | 16:54 |
| thingee | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-stabilisation-work | 16:55 |
| e0ne | hemna: i could help with sqlalchemy profiling | 16:55 |
| hemna | e0ne, cool :) | 16:55 |
| thingee | #topic Cinder Kilo Specs | 16:55 |
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| hemna | thingee, so I plan on filing one about brick work. I just haven't gotten around to it yet. | 16:55 |
| thingee | hemna: ok | 16:56 |
| hemna | re: extracting brick from cinder to a pypi lib. | 16:56 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder-specs,n,z | 16:56 |
| xyang1 | hemna: and a spec for cinder agent too? | 16:56 |
| hemna | I've been helping our horizon team write up some specs about UX changes for horizon<-->cinder integration | 16:57 |
| thingee | I think we're all doing a great job keeping these going. I have went through half of them and will follow up on those and go through the other half today. | 16:57 |
| hemna | xyang1, yah | 16:57 |
| thingee | I encourage others to chime in to help us make a decision on these | 16:57 |
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| thingee | Ideally I would like specs figured out sometime by this month | 16:57 |
| kmartin | thingee: we have the code already for a leftover Icehouse/Juno BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/filtering-weighing-with-driver-supplied-functions | 16:58 |
| xyang1 | thingee: are you saying no more specs after this month? | 16:58 |
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| kmartin | should we enter a cinder-spec for it as well? | 16:58 |
| xyang1 | kmartin: when are you going to submit code? | 16:58 |
| hemna | kmartin, yes | 16:58 |
| thingee | xyang1: ideally. we'll have to see how specs are going and adjust | 16:58 |
| hemna | kmartin, since it would be a new scheduler feature for kilo. | 16:58 |
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| flip214 | war^Wmeeting is over | 16:59 |
| kmartin | it was well documented in the BP and already approved | 16:59 |
| xyang1 | I'm going to submit a spec to allow over subscription in thin provisioning | 16:59 |
| thingee | kmartin: for code already done, I say specs are still useful. Again referencing the nfs sec enhancement stuff. it would've been good to know the approach instead of arguing over gerrit | 16:59 |
| thingee | ok we're out of time. | 16:59 |
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| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 15 17:00:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-10-15-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-10-15-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-10-15-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| thingee | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| rushiagr | o/ | 17:00 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 15 17:00:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vmwareapi)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
| tjones | hi folks - who's around? | 17:00 |
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| thangp | o/ | 17:00 |
| tflower | o/ | 17:00 |
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| browne | hi | 17:00 |
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| dims_ | o/ | 17:00 |
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| tjones | we will be missing rado and gary today but i have their updates | 17:01 |
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| tjones | #topic specs for kilo | 17:01 |
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| tjones | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:01 |
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| tjones | see we have a bunch more specs - was everyone able to submit their specs or do we have some still pending? | 17:02 |
| tflower | tjones Hi Tracy, I submitted my blueprint & spec: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-driver-ova-multidisk-support | 17:03 |
| tjones | for new work (not left over from juno) | 17:03 |
| tflower | The actual spec link is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128691/ | 17:03 |
| tjones | thanks tflower i see it | 17:03 |
| mateescu | hi Tracy, I just added 2 specs also for raw devices in cinder and nova | 17:03 |
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| mateescu | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/vmware-raw-device-cinder-driver | 17:04 |
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| mateescu | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-raw-device | 17:04 |
| tjones | great - how is the cinder side of things going? | 17:04 |
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| mateescu | we have a basic implementation that only handles create/delete volumes for now | 17:04 |
| mateescu | got a review that at the very minimum we also need to add support for snapshots | 17:04 |
| mateescu | looking into that request now | 17:05 |
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| tjones | ok here is a total nit - but your spec has a bunch of \r at the end of each line | 17:05 |
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| dims_ | mateescu: tip: run dos2unix for cleanup | 17:06 |
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| tjones | tflower: also a nit on white space at the end of your lines | 17:07 |
| mateescu | dims: thanks, done that already | 17:07 |
| tjones | this is just stuff people will pick on right away | 17:07 |
| tjones | without even reading it (like i just did) | 17:07 |
| browne | tjones: what about this blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-image-os-identification | 17:07 |
| browne | any value for kilo? | 17:07 |
| tjones | *looks* | 17:07 |
| browne | if so, i can write up the spec for it | 17:07 |
| tjones | browne: go for it - it would be great | 17:08 |
| browne | ok will do | 17:08 |
| tflower | tjones thx, will look into it, not sure what happened, it appears ok on my side - I'll figure it out | 17:08 |
| tjones | ok so i don't hear any other missing specs. in addition to these we have 3 already approved from juno - apbm, ova, and vsan | 17:08 |
| thangp | is there an ability to specify which adapter_type to use when creating a cinder vol? | 17:09 |
| dims_ | tjones: multi-disk ova, do we need a separate spec? | 17:09 |
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| tjones | dims_: yes i would think so - that is not an insignifiant piece of work | 17:10 |
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| dims_ | tjones: ack | 17:10 |
| tjones | thangp: i am not aware of that - would be helpful | 17:10 |
| thangp | ok, i'll write a spec for that | 17:10 |
| tjones | ok then at least 2 more | 17:11 |
| tflower | dims, the multi disk ova spec, do you mean a separate spec from mine? | 17:11 |
| tjones | that's a decent amount of work to get in. lets focus on reviewing these specs and getting them into good shape before the summit | 17:12 |
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| dims_ | tflower: just making sure we need a spec | 17:12 |
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| tflower | dims: Ah, I understand | 17:12 |
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| tjones | does any one want to discuss a particular spec today? it's faster sometimes to talk here before reviewing | 17:13 |
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| tflower | tjones: when it comes to mine, I don't have a whole lot of detail yet, I'll need to base it on the code for the ova work | 17:14 |
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| tjones | ok | 17:14 |
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| tjones | if no more spec discussion lets talk bugs | 17:14 |
| tjones | #topic bugs | 17:15 |
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| tjones | im hoping you guys will have some spare cycles to work on outstanding bugs too | 17:15 |
| tjones | our count continues to creap up | 17:15 |
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| thangp | just needs core reviews on mine :-/ | 17:15 |
| tjones | awesome! | 17:16 |
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| thangp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128508/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122251/ | 17:16 |
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| thangp | i have to fix 122251 though, based on rgerganov comments | 17:17 |
| tjones | great! | 17:17 |
| tjones | thanks for your help on bugs | 17:17 |
| thangp | np | 17:17 |
| tjones | most high prio have owners | 17:17 |
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| tjones | except https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1325789 | 17:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1325789 in nova "VMware: should not take the first host found in the cluster to perform iSCSI related operations" [High,Confirmed] | 17:18 |
| tjones | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1335744 | 17:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1335744 in nova "VMware: port group and vm are created in different exsi when using vlanDHCPmanage" [High,Triaged] | 17:18 |
| tjones | if someone wants to grab one or two feel free | 17:18 |
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| tjones | anything else on bugs? | 17:18 |
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| tjones | #topic open discussion | 17:19 |
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| tjones | anything else people want to discuss? | 17:19 |
| tjones | *listens* | 17:19 |
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| tjones | ok short meeting today! | 17:20 |
| tjones | thanks all | 17:20 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 17:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 15 17:20:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-10-15-17.00.html | 17:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-10-15-17.00.txt | 17:20 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-10-15-17.00.log.html | 17:20 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 15 19:00:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
| notmyname | hello, world | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 19:00 |
| swifterdarrell | o/ | 19:00 |
| tdasilva | hi | 19:00 |
| gvernik | hello | 19:00 |
| peluse | me | 19:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:01 |
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| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:01 |
| notmyname | I hope today's meeting will be shorter. I don't think we have a ton to cover | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | #topic juno release | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | tomorow (specifically when ttx wakes up in france his tomorrow) is the juno integrated release | 19:02 |
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| cutforth | hello - sorry i'm late | 19:02 |
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| acoles_ | i'm late too | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | we haven't had anything reported on our RC that would prevent us from releasing it in juno | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | so as of right now, the 2.2.0.rc1 tag will be tagged as 2.2.0 and that released in juno | 19:03 |
| notmyname | any questions about the release? | 19:04 |
| lpabon | hi | 19:04 |
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| zaitcev | I don't have any outstanding bugs. | 19:04 |
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| zaitcev | I mean not important ones. | 19:05 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | thank you everyone for your work over the juno cycle to produce Swift releases 2.0 through 2.2. I'm really excited about swift's contribution to this integrated release | 19:06 |
| notmyname | #topic paris summit planning | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | the paris summit is coming quickly | 19:06 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-swift-summit-topics | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | this is the etherpad where we can propose and brainstorm about session topics | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | I want to continue to collect stuff this week and start prioritizing and scheduling it next tuesday/wednesday | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | thanks for what's been proposed. please continue to add your topics | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | and just because a topic is added, that doesn't mean you're required to stand in front of a room and lead it :-) | 19:08 |
| tdasilva | peluse: not sure if you saw my message earlier, but I think we have a duplicate entry there | 19:08 |
| peluse | tdasilva, wasn't sure so I errored on including it just in case | 19:09 |
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| tdasilva | peluse: ok...i can remove it | 19:09 |
| peluse | cool | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | we've got 6 scheduled slots and then a half day for an unstructured meetup | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | also note the france travel tips that were sent to the -dev mailing list a day or two ago | 19:10 |
| notmyname | good info for traveling to paris | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | any questions about the summit? | 19:11 |
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| zaitcev | not from me -- just letting your time out, John | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | :-) | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | irc meetings are fun that way. not sure if someone is typing or if there is just nothing to say :-) | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's move on | 19:12 |
| * peluse is just hungry | 19:12 | |
| zaitcev | I'm reading with great interest but I'm not going to Paris. | 19:12 |
| notmyname | #topic general / open discussion | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | as a brief EC summary for the week, several of us are meeting in-person today hashing out some of the EC reconstructor design | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | that should unblock some of the outstanding work like the PUT path and the reconstructor | 19:13 |
| zaitcev | I saw your pic at Twitter. | 19:13 |
| notmyname | s/at/on/ | 19:13 |
| notmyname | we're actually at the intel office in santa clara | 19:13 |
| notmyname | (thanks peluse!) | 19:13 |
| peluse | :) | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | please continue to look at the priority review page for reviews | 19:14 |
| notmyname | kota_'s patch for improving global replication still needs review. | 19:14 |
| kota_ | I updated it already sice hackathon | 19:15 |
| notmyname | we made great progress in boston, but we left with some more things to look at (mostly myself and cschwede_) | 19:15 |
| notmyname | kota_: thanks | 19:15 |
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| kota_ | s/sice/since/ | 19:15 |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up this week? | 19:15 |
| notmyname | questions or discussion topics? | 19:16 |
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| mattoliverau | this is looking like the quickest meeting ever (more sleep for me) ;) | 19:17 |
| notmyname | yay | 19:17 |
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| kota_ | mattoliverau: me too | 19:17 |
| notmyname | ok, great! | 19:17 |
| notmyname | (now peluse can get lunch!) | 19:17 |
| peluse | yay | 19:18 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming. I'm looking forward to seeing you in paris | 19:18 |
| notmyname | and please add your topic for the summit to the etherpad | 19:18 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:18 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 15 19:18:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-10-15-19.00.html | 19:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-10-15-19.00.txt | 19:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-10-15-19.00.log.html | 19:18 |
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