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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 13 15:00:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:01 |
| jd__ | o/ | 15:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | all safely back from summit? | 15:01 |
| jd__ | a few hiccups with the metro, but pretty good otherwise | 15:01 |
| jd__ | :p | 15:01 |
| mmester | sadly i didnt get to go :( | 15:01 |
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| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:02 |
| _elena_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| ityaptin | o/ | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | let's start with the summit topic | 15:02 |
| eglynn | #topic Kilo summit retrospective | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | anyone got any feedback on the "contributor's meetup" format change? | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | (the foundation folks are considering something similar for next time) | 15:03 |
| jd__ | the Friday? | 15:04 |
| eglynn | yeah | 15:04 |
| jd__ | definitely not that useful for us I think | 15:04 |
| jd__ | under-used I'd say | 15:04 |
| ildikov | eglynn: well, I was a bit tired on the last day, so it could be reserved for keynotes maybe ;) | 15:05 |
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| jd__ | haha ildikov :) | 15:05 |
| eglynn | was a full too long? | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | (in the sense that we all seemed to run outta steam by 3pm) | 15:05 |
| jd__ | definitely | 15:05 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: in ATL we used the pod area pretty much | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | ildikov: yeah, but this time the "pod" was practically non-existent | 15:06 |
| ildikov | maybe this full day, which is the last day is not the best combination | 15:06 |
| eglynn | yeah, fair point | 15:06 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I know, I just meant that the space is useful to have, but the format this time did not work that good IMHO | 15:06 |
| eglynn | one other change that was mooted ... | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | switch to much smaller rooms for the design sessions | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | to avoid the problem of 200 folks in the room, but only 10 people involved in the discussion | 15:08 |
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| eglynn | don't think we had that issue with the ceilo track TBH | 15:08 |
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| eglynn | k, let's move on | 15:09 |
| eglynn | #topic TSDaaS/gnocchi status | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | jd__: looks like nice progress on the dict->list change for get_measures | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | ... also some ongoing debate on the back_window logic | 15:10 |
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| eglynn | also a new gnocchi contributor in the form of gentux (Romain) :) | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | jd__: anything else to add on the gnocchi stuff? | 15:12 |
| jd__ | I'm trying to push the doc at gnocchi.rtfd.org | 15:13 |
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| jd__ | as you mentioned I fixed a bunch of problem in Carbonara computing, now it should be pretty solid | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | nice :) | 15:13 |
| ityaptin | jd__: gnocchi.rtfd.org -> 404 status now | 15:13 |
| jd__ | I'm still adding more stuff in the API and all | 15:13 |
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| jd__ | ityaptin: *trying* I said ;) | 15:14 |
| * eglynn notices the added 'f' in readthedocs | 15:14 | |
| eglynn | LOL :) | 15:14 |
| ityaptin | jd__: :) | 15:14 |
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| jd__ | I think it's fair to ask ceilometer-core to start reviewing code too | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | agreed | 15:14 |
| jd__ | it sounds like the plan we discussed at the summit was to move gnocchi to ceilo pretty soon now | 15:14 |
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| jd__ | so it'd be nice to have more reviewers but that means people should get familiar with the code | 15:15 |
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| ityaptin | eglynn: I'm researching issue with context with ceiloemter + custom dispatcher with directory calls of indexer and storage | 15:15 |
| eglynn | jd__: yeap, it would be good for the cores to start reviewing now to get familiar with the code in advance of that change | 15:15 |
| eglynn | ityaptin: cool, chatting with DinaBelova at summit we noticed that the indexer connect/disconnect is unecessary in a lot of cases | 15:16 |
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| ityaptin | We didn't talk after the summit yet :( | 15:17 |
| ityaptin | Dina is at vacation | 15:17 |
| ityaptin | I added fix for indexer connect/disconnect in last patchset at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131482/ | 15:18 |
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| jd__ | sileht had a few interesting inputs too, I think he should write them on that patchset I guess | 15:19 |
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| eglynn | ityaptin: a-ha, k, I see the connect/disconnect has now been removed, cool | 15:19 |
| eglynn | anything else on gnocchi? | 15:19 |
| eglynn | k, moving on ... | 15:20 |
| eglynn | #topic Kilo blueprints | 15:20 |
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| eglynn | so we discussed at summit loosening the detailed spec requirement for the "simpler" BPs | 15:21 |
| eglynn | by default a ceilo-specs proposal would be needed | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | but please use your judgement for stuff that particularly simple, or already discussed at lenght | 15:22 |
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| eglynn | let's try to get specs filed as early as possible in kilo-1 also | 15:22 |
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| sileht | o/ | 15:23 |
| fabiog | eglynn: do you have a list of candidates for Kilo1? | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: I'm awaiting proposals ... let's give it till next week's meeting | 15:23 |
| fabiog | eglynn: sure, no problem | 15:24 |
| eglynn | fabiog: but I'm particularly interested in your RBAC BP :) | 15:24 |
| fabiog | eglynn: yes. I would like to have that landing in Kilo1 | 15:24 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: as well as any project scoping we want to change | 15:25 |
| eglynn | fabiog: great, I was gonna ask is that something that you'd be confident of landing for kilo-1? | 15:25 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: yes. I should be able to | 15:25 |
| eglynn | fabiog: great, thanks! | 15:25 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: if it lands early enough, it's something that some juno-derived distros might consider carrying as an extra patch | 15:26 |
| eglynn | (even if not directly suitable for an upstream backport due to stable branch policy) | 15:26 |
| eglynn | BTW kilo-1 is Dec-18 | 15:27 |
| eglynn | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 15:27 |
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| eglynn | k, moving on | 15:27 |
| eglynn | #topic liaison with stable-maint and API WG | 15:27 |
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| eglynn | so as a result of summit discussion on stable management, some changes are afoot | 15:28 |
| eglynn | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/050390.html | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | TL;DR: we're moving from single cross project stable-maint team, to project-specific reviewers | 15:29 |
| eglynn | we need a stable-maint liaison from each project team | 15:29 |
| eglynn | I've no problem doing it, but if anyone else wants to step up? | 15:29 |
| eglynn | ... don't all shout at once :) | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | k, guess it defaults back to me | 15:31 |
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| eglynn | slightly more exciting is the API WG liaison | 15:31 |
| eglynn | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#API_Guidelines | 15:32 |
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| eglynn | a-ha, I see jd__ has already volunteered for that | 15:32 |
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| jd__ | uh? only for Oslo | 15:33 |
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| eglynn | jd__: a-ha, I see wrong link, my bad | 15:33 |
| eglynn | I meant ... | 15:33 |
| eglynn | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#API_Guidelines | 15:33 |
| fabiog | eglynn: is being core a requirement for the API guidelines | 15:34 |
| eglynn | fabiog: yeah cdent is willing to do it, but the wiki implies a preference for a core | 15:34 |
| eglynn | fabiog: ... but I don't know if that's a *strict* requirement | 15:35 |
| eglynn | fabiog: ... I'll follow up with jay on that point | 15:35 |
| ildikov | eglynn: these topics would require the half core team already... :( | 15:35 |
| fabiog | eglynn: well, I spent a lot of time around pecan ... so I think I can volunteer if I can | 15:35 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: cool, thanks! | 15:36 |
| eglynn | fabiog: maybe you and Chris can cover it together since he's already involved in reviewing the API WG patches? | 15:36 |
| ildikov | eglynn: if we count the active cores, then even more of that so maybe we do not have to follow that rule that strictly... | 15:36 |
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| eglynn | ildikov: yeah, we're suffering from liaison proliferation :) | 15:37 |
| eglynn | ... liaisons are the new silver bullet :) | 15:37 |
| ildikov | eglynn: LOL :) | 15:38 |
| eglynn | k, let's move on | 15:38 |
| eglynn | #topic do we need mid-cycle for Kilo? | 15:38 |
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| fabiog | +1 | 15:38 |
| ildikov | +1 | 15:38 |
| eglynn | fabiog: has suggested a mid-cycle at the HP site in Sunnyvale, CA or Galway, IRE | 15:38 |
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| eglynn | it's no secret that there's been some pushback against the proliferation of mid-cycles (in addition to design summit travel) | 15:39 |
| eglynn | so we need to be clear on why we think we need one for kilo | 15:40 |
| eglynn | IMO the Juno midcycle was very useful for teasing out some gnarly issues with the core gnocchi design esp. with pauldix in attendence | 15:40 |
| eglynn | also for whiteboarding other scenarios, like central agent scale-out | 15:41 |
| fabiog | eglynn: agree | 15:41 |
| eglynn | so what would we be aiming for with a kilo mid-cycle? | 15:41 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I prefer F2F meetings if we can have more, like this mid-cycle | 15:41 |
| eglynn | teasing out the remaining gnarly issues with gnocchi/ceilo integration? | 15:41 |
| ildikov | maybe the Ceilo-Gnocchi integration and the in-tree testing will give us enough topics | 15:42 |
| eglynn | (e.g. migration of datastores, coverage of all existing use-cases) | 15:42 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I think we should have an overview of Gnocchi arch, so people can come up to speed .... | 15:42 |
| fabiog | eglynn: also integration would be an interesting topic | 15:42 |
| fabiog | eglynn: and co-existance/plans/strategies | 15:43 |
| mmester | +1 | 15:43 |
| eglynn | fabiog: yeah jd__ gave a very useful gnocchi walk-thru as a g+ hangout during juno, he might be persuaded to do the same again early in kilo :) | 15:43 |
| eglynn | (to bootstrap a wider involvement in reviewing etc.) | 15:43 |
| jd__ | I could | 15:44 |
| eglynn | jd__: thank you sir! :) | 15:44 |
| fabiog | eglynn: yes. I also feel that we should really dig into the batching and deletion aspects, because these are real performance boosts/detractors | 15:44 |
| eglynn | fabiog: yeap | 15:44 |
| jd__ | if there's at least a few folks interested | 15:44 |
| eglynn | jd__: I expect there would be | 15:45 |
| jd__ | someone wants to doodle that? | 15:45 |
| fabiog | jd__: topics or date and place for event? | 15:45 |
| jd__ | date and people of the event | 15:46 |
| fabiog | jd__: I will do it | 15:46 |
| jd__ | thanks fabiog | 15:46 |
| eglynn | re. dates, we spoke briefly of Feb 3-5 at the contributor's meetup | 15:46 |
| fabiog | eglynn: right | 15:46 |
| jd__ | http://gnocchi.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ is online | 15:47 |
| eglynn | I realized afterwards that'll clash with the kilo-2 milestone | 15:47 |
| eglynn | kilo-2 == Feb 5 | 15:47 |
| ildikov | eglynn: kilo-2 is Febr 5 | 15:47 |
| eglynn | so the week before seems more reasonable? | 15:47 |
| eglynn | as the week after clashed with some US holiday, amiright? | 15:47 |
| jd__ | fabiog: eglynn: i was talking doodle for the G+ hangout, not for mid-cycle, just to be clear | 15:47 |
| eglynn | jd__: cool, that's what I understood also | 15:48 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I think the week before is good | 15:48 |
| eglynn | (let's do the hangout soon as poss to get folks bootstrapped on gnocchi) | 15:49 |
| fabiog | eglynn: it will also give an opportunity to review patches and make a final push for Juno2 | 15:49 |
| fabiog | Kilo2 | 15:49 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I think so too (mid-cycle) | 15:49 |
| eglynn | fabiog: cool, so Jan 27-29 | 15:49 |
| eglynn | ? | 15:49 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I will start planning for that :-) | 15:49 |
| eglynn | fabiog: BTW I mentioned it to Stuart McLauren, who's based in HP Galway | 15:50 |
| eglynn | fabiog: he wasn't so sure about the scope for a multi-project meetup | 15:50 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: that's OK, it was just exploratory | 15:51 |
| eglynn | fabiog: but did offer to give you a local contact for admin issues | 15:51 |
| fabiog | eglynn: great I will get in touch with him, thanks | 15:51 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: cool | 15:51 |
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| eglynn | so from the European perspective, obviously Galway would be more do-able from a travel budgeting PoV | 15:52 |
| eglynn | anyhoo, let's see what group preference the doodle reveals | 15:52 |
| eglynn | anything else on mid-cycle? | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | #topic Open discussion | 15:53 |
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| ityaptin | Folks, one questions with bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1392326 | 15:54 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1392326 in ceilometer "Ceilometer trusts notifications are not obtained" [Undecided,In progress] | 15:54 |
| ityaptin | wow | 15:54 |
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| eglynn | that's a nasty one :( | 15:55 |
| ityaptin | Our resource_type of keystone trust notification do not match keystone trust notifications type. identity.trust.* instead identity.OS-TRUST:trust.* in keystone | 15:55 |
| eglynn | yet another reason why we need more integration tests | 15:56 |
| eglynn | (in-tree inthe future, as opposed to in-tempest) | 15:56 |
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| ityaptin | commit message to keystone looks like "append extension name to trust notifications" and doesn't contains nothing about with changing | 15:56 |
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| fabiog | ityaptin: the OS-TRUST means that this is/was an extension. if that has graduated in the main code the OS- namespace must be removed | 15:57 |
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| eglynn | ityaptin, fabiog: the point is that the event_type is part of the *implicit* contract for the notification | 15:59 |
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| eglynn | ityaptin, fabiog: ... so changing that automatically breaks all consumers of the notification | 15:59 |
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| cdent | time zone fail again | 15:59 |
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| cdent | actually calendar fail this time | 15:59 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: I know, that is why we need to have the json-schema ... | 15:59 |
| eglynn | yet another reason why we need the notification schema discussed with sandywalsh at summit | 15:59 |
| eglynn | fabiog: coolness | 16:00 |
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| eglynn | ityaptin: well spotted in any case, thanks for bring this up | 16:00 |
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| eglynn | *bringing | 16:00 |
| eglynn | k, beaten by the shot clock again | 16:00 |
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| ityaptin | no problem ;) | 16:00 |
| eglynn | thanks folks, lets call it a wrap | 16:01 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 13 16:01:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-11-13-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-11-13-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-11-13-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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