| cyeoh | Hi - anyone here for the nova api meeting today? | 00:01 |
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| gmann | hi | 00:01 |
| cyeoh | gmann: might just be us two today :-) | 00:02 |
| gmann | :) | 00:02 |
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| cyeoh | did you have anything you wanted to talk about? Otherwise we'll skip it. THe only thing I have to say is microversions spec is approved :-) | 00:02 |
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| gmann | yes, that is good thing. | 00:03 |
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| gmann | cyeoh: i do not have anything but just regarding tempest V2.1 spec | 00:03 |
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| cyeoh | do you have a url for that? I'll have a look | 00:04 |
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| gmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96661/ | 00:04 |
| gmann | cyeoh: thanks | 00:04 |
| gmann | thats all from my side | 00:05 |
| cyeoh | gmann: np. ok lets just cancel the meeting this week | 00:05 |
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| gmann | ya | 00:05 |
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| raildo | raildo rodrigods schwicke sajeesh vinod ayoung htruta morganfainberg henrynash gyee https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HierarchicalMultitenancyMeeting | 16:00 |
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| raildo | gabriel-bezerra, abrito | 16:02 |
| raildo | :) | 16:02 |
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| raildo | sajeesh, hi | 16:03 |
| sajeesh | Hi raildo | 16:03 |
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| nirupma | hi | 16:03 |
| sajeesh | hi | 16:03 |
| gabriel-bezerra | hi everyone | 16:03 |
| raildo | hi nirupma :) | 16:03 |
| sajeesh | hi gabriel | 16:03 |
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| sajeesh | hi nirupma | 16:04 |
| raildo | #startmeeting HierarchicalMultitenancy | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Nov 21 16:04:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is raildo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hierarchicalmultitenancy' | 16:04 |
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| raildo | I created this wiki to organize the meeting | 16:05 |
| raildo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HierarchicalMultitenancyMeeting | 16:05 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:05 |
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| raildo | so, we can create the agenda to the meeting | 16:05 |
| raildo | #topic morganfainberg Notes about HM | 16:06 |
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| raildo | #link https://www.morganfainberg.com/blog/2014/11/12/kilo-summit-summary/#hm | 16:06 |
| raildo | So, he make a good summary that we discuss in the Summit and the next steps about Hierachical Multitenancy | 16:06 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:07 |
| raildo | Please read it as soon as possible :) | 16:07 |
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| raildo | nirupma, did you update your team about the summit? | 16:08 |
| nirupma | i did tell them all i could remember | 16:08 |
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| raildo | nirupma, great | 16:08 |
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| raildo | #topic Hierarchical Multitenancy Improvements Spec | 16:09 |
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| raildo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135309/ | 16:09 |
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| raildo | We started the new spec about HM | 16:10 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:10 |
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| raildo | so we'll implement new features like recursive deletion, new ways to return the projects | 16:10 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:11 |
| raildo | I'll wait for feedback :) | 16:11 |
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| sajeesh | sure :-) | 16:12 |
| raildo | #topic Quota Management Design Session summary | 16:12 |
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| raildo | gabriel-bezerra, ? | 16:13 |
| gabriel-bezerra | hi | 16:13 |
| raildo | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg39958.html | 16:13 |
| abrito | raildo: may I get back to the previous topic for a second? | 16:13 |
| raildo | abrito, sure | 16:13 |
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| abrito | one interesting question would be to ask what are the views about the most important "next-features" in HM... | 16:14 |
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| abrito | in the spec, we covered just deletion, "hierarchy-preserving" get and the change of the policy | 16:15 |
| raildo | right | 16:15 |
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| abrito | is there any other priorities? | 16:15 |
| abrito | *are* | 16:15 |
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| raildo | abrito, yes, We have other features related to the projects and domains visibility. So we can create private projects, and cover the Reseller Use Case | 16:17 |
| raildo | the ideia is if a give a project to a user, he can change this project to be a domain, and he can control the users, roles and groups | 16:18 |
| abrito | is that going into the HM spec? | 16:18 |
| raildo | abrito, no, we are create other spec to explain this implementation, that a "reseller use case" spec | 16:19 |
| abrito | ok | 16:19 |
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| raildo | but we need to work together henrynash in this another spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133855/ | 16:19 |
| raildo | that is add support for groups of roles. | 16:20 |
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| raildo | so, I believe that with this 3 spec, we can make the Multitenancy concept very strong in the Openstack | 16:21 |
| abrito | ok, thank you | 16:22 |
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| sajeesh | raildo,one quick question about the spec, the o/p of GET /projects/{project_id}?parents_ids ...is it parent heirarchy up to the root project? | 16:22 |
| raildo | sajeesh, yes. we are implementing two ways do get the hierarchy | 16:23 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:23 |
| raildo | so the first: we have a GET /projects/{project_id}?parents_as_list (and the same for the subtree) | 16:23 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:24 |
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| raildo | that is the same implementation that we have now, when we'll return a list of projects, with the whole information about the project | 16:24 |
| sajeesh | right | 16:25 |
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| sajeesh | but,right we have it only for subtree..not for parents...right ? | 16:25 |
| sajeesh | right now | 16:25 |
| raildo | and we are implementing a new implementation, that GET /projects/{project_id}?parents_ids when we'll return a projects_ids dictionaries, (just the projects_ids) | 16:25 |
| gabriel-bezerra | we have it for parents as well | 16:25 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:26 |
| raildo | gabriel-bezerra, ++ | 16:26 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | it doesn't show sibilings however | 16:26 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | when querying parents | 16:26 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:26 |
| nirupma | so, can we query siblings as well? | 16:27 |
| gabriel-bezerra | no, not yet | 16:27 |
| gabriel-bezerra | would it be interesting? | 16:27 |
| nirupma | ok | 16:27 |
| abrito | but does it show parents and the parents' parents? | 16:27 |
| gabriel-bezerra | would it be a desirable feature? | 16:27 |
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| nirupma | i don't know, i was just curious | 16:27 |
| raildo | abrito, yes | 16:28 |
| sajeesh | parent list will be sufficient ...for nova | 16:28 |
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| raildo | sajeesh, just the project_id is sufficient? | 16:28 |
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| sajeesh | right .now ...only that is sufficient | 16:29 |
| raildo | sajeesh, great | 16:29 |
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| sajeesh | I mean according to the present design | 16:29 |
| raildo | sajeesh, ok | 16:29 |
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| raildo | we can move to the next topic about quotas? | 16:30 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:31 |
| gabriel-bezerra | so.. | 16:31 |
| gabriel-bezerra | there is this effort to put together a library or a service to do quota enforcement and management. | 16:31 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | that salvatore from neutron started on the mailing list and was discussed on the summit | 16:31 |
| raildo | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg39958.html | 16:32 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-oslo-common-quota-library | 16:32 |
| gabriel-bezerra | it is still in its very start. people are still discussing the architecture, whether it should be a library, an app, some mix, local vs remote enforcement... | 16:32 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:33 |
| gabriel-bezerra | I can see that you have worked on hierarchical quotas for nova | 16:33 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:33 |
| gabriel-bezerra | there is also some (partial?) implementation of domain quotas | 16:33 |
| gabriel-bezerra | and it would be great if we could reuse that work on the common library/service | 16:34 |
| sajeesh | it was done by Vinod | 16:34 |
| gabriel-bezerra | it could even be extended to other kinds resourses besides instances | 16:34 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:34 |
| sajeesh | I have extended the present nova quota driver | 16:35 |
| sajeesh | which is single level | 16:35 |
| raildo | sajeesh, I think that we should try our best to include the hierarchical quotas code in Nova | 16:36 |
| sajeesh | sure | 16:36 |
| raildo | ASAP :) | 16:36 |
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| sajeesh | raildo,the implementation is over and testing is in the final phase | 16:36 |
| sajeesh | a few more use cases only need to tested | 16:37 |
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| raildo | so, after that, we can help salvatore to send the code to Oslo | 16:37 |
| gabriel-bezerra | or whatever library/module | 16:37 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:37 |
| raildo | sajeesh, great and the spec? | 16:37 |
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| raildo | gabriel-bezerra, ++ | 16:37 |
| sajeesh | the spec is still under review | 16:37 |
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| sajeesh | that is the important part | 16:38 |
| raildo | sajeesh, I believe that we have to talk with the Nova folks to approve this spec to Kilo-1 | 16:38 |
| sajeesh | ++1 | 16:38 |
| raildo | do you know about schwicke? | 16:39 |
| nirupma | he'll be back next week | 16:39 |
| raildo | I believe that it can speed up this process | 16:39 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:39 |
| sajeesh | +1 | 16:39 |
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| sajeesh | raildo,what all the changes will be there once shared lib will be used for QM | 16:40 |
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| sajeesh | I mean when compared to the current set up | 16:42 |
| raildo | sajeesh, sorry, I don't understand, do you talk about the quota code? | 16:42 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:42 |
| sajeesh | quota management | 16:42 |
| raildo | ok | 16:42 |
| sajeesh | from the mails it is not very clear | 16:43 |
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| raildo | hum, i believe that we have to talk with salvatore about that | 16:43 |
| sajeesh | +1 | 16:43 |
| gabriel-bezerra | sajeesh: as I said, there is still a lot of discussions about how it should be done | 16:44 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:44 |
| gabriel-bezerra | there is a trend to local enforcement and centralized management, maybe on keystone | 16:44 |
| gabriel-bezerra | a bias | 16:44 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:44 |
| gabriel-bezerra | the local enforcement might be a library or an agent | 16:44 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:45 |
| sajeesh | can you please tell why two types of enforcements are required | 16:45 |
| gabriel-bezerra | i mean that they are discussing between both alternatives | 16:46 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:46 |
| gabriel-bezerra | not that both will be implemented | 16:46 |
| sajeesh | ok :-) | 16:46 |
| nirupma | sajeesh: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 16:48 |
| sajeesh | gabriel my big doubt is why keystone is coming in quota management | 16:48 |
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| raildo | sajeesh, gabriel-bezerra I think you should get in touch with Salvatore and discover more about the new implementation and what this could affect what already exists. | 16:48 |
| sajeesh | +1 | 16:48 |
| gabriel-bezerra | there is no implementation yet | 16:48 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:49 |
| gabriel-bezerra | keystone came as a suggestion to quota management because it is already deployed everywhere | 16:49 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:49 |
| gabriel-bezerra | it would be analogous to keystone centralizing policy management | 16:49 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:49 |
| gabriel-bezerra | it is not defined yet | 16:49 |
| gabriel-bezerra | it can be another module | 16:49 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:50 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:50 |
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| nirupma | so, they have only agreed on the idea and not on the exact implementation | 16:50 |
| gabriel-bezerra | they agree on: there are many policy implementations, a lot of modules have their own implementations, it is bad for user experience | 16:51 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | and there is repeated work | 16:52 |
| gabriel-bezerra | duplicated effort | 16:52 |
| nirupma | ok | 16:52 |
| sajeesh | gabriel you had told centralised policy management....any decision on that | 16:53 |
| gabriel-bezerra | we should have a common implementation that all projects can use | 16:53 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:53 |
| sajeesh | any milestone has been set. ? | 16:54 |
| gabriel-bezerra | sajeesh: in that same link raildo sent from morganfainberg there is a summary of the policy discussions | 16:54 |
| gabriel-bezerra | of the summit | 16:54 |
| sajeesh | ok ..I will read | 16:54 |
| gabriel-bezerra | and they seemed to agree on keystone keeping the policy "files" | 16:54 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:55 |
| gabriel-bezerra | instead of they being a local configuration of each module | 16:55 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:55 |
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| raildo | someone has something more to be discussed? | 16:56 |
| sajeesh | raildo,will you be contacting Salvatore | 16:56 |
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| raildo | sajeesh, great | 16:56 |
| gabriel-bezerra | i'll tell him about your spec on hierarchical quotas | 16:57 |
| gabriel-bezerra | for nova | 16:57 |
| sajeesh | thanks gabriel | 16:57 |
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| raildo | #action sajeesh will talk with salvatore about Quota Management and what this could affect Hierarchical Quotas and Domain Quotas | 16:57 |
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| sajeesh | raildo,doman quotas ? | 16:58 |
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| raildo | sajeesh, i believe that gabriel-bezerra can talk about this | 16:58 |
| raildo | hahaha sorry | 16:58 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:58 |
| gabriel-bezerra | we have worked on a domain quota driver about a year ago | 16:58 |
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| raildo | #action gabriel-bezerra will talk with salvatore about Quota Management and what this could affect Domain Quotas | 16:58 |
| raildo | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Nov 21 17:00:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchicalmultitenancy/2014/hierarchicalmultitenancy.2014-11-21-16.04.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchicalmultitenancy/2014/hierarchicalmultitenancy.2014-11-21-16.04.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchicalmultitenancy/2014/hierarchicalmultitenancy.2014-11-21-16.04.log.html | 17:00 |
| sajeesh | Good Bye All...Have a nice weekend | 17:00 |
| raildo | sajeesh, you too | 17:00 |
| nirupma | bye | 17:00 |
| gabriel-bezerra | bye | 17:00 |
| nirupma | have a nice weekend | 17:00 |
| sajeesh | Thanks to all for attending the meeting | 17:00 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | thank you | 17:01 |
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