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| crinkle | o/ | 14:01 |
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| nibalizer | ohai | 14:02 |
| mdorman | morning | 14:03 |
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| crinkle | oh good people are here | 14:03 |
| crinkle | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 14:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 24 14:04:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is crinkle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 14:04 |
| bogdando | hello | 14:05 |
| crinkle | #topic juno releases | 14:05 |
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| crinkle | I have a couple of metadata changes that need to be made before releases can be done | 14:06 |
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| crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136651/ | 14:06 |
| crinkle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136650/ | 14:06 |
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| crinkle | once those are in there are a series of "Release 5.0.0" patches to please look at | 14:06 |
| crinkle | then I will branch from those commits, tag them, and release on the forge | 14:06 |
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| crinkle | that's my update | 14:07 |
| crinkle | any questions or comments on that? | 14:07 |
| sbadia | seems good! | 14:07 |
| sbadia | crinkle: thanks | 14:07 |
| nibalizer | are we metadata linting? | 14:07 |
| sbadia | nibalizer: yep | 14:08 |
| sbadia | I've a patch in ceilometer | 14:08 |
| sbadia | oh, sorry, already merged, so I can made the patch on all modules | 14:08 |
| crinkle | i'm also building these and testing them against the puppetlabs staging forge | 14:08 |
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| nibalizer | woot | 14:09 |
| crinkle | okay | 14:09 |
| crinkle | #topic HA: Pacemaker provider for Openstack services | 14:09 |
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| crinkle | bogdando: ? | 14:09 |
| bogdando | crinkle, hello. My status is: | 14:10 |
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| bogdando | updated blueprint Pacemaker provider for Openstack services | 14:10 |
| bogdando | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104861/ | 14:10 |
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| bogdando | submitted Dmitry Ilyin's patches as a 1st step (WIP) | 14:10 |
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| bogdando | #link https://review.openstack.org/136708 | 14:10 |
| bogdando | that's it for now | 14:11 |
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| bogdando | next steps is to fix tests and provide some PoF request with HA case for, lets say puppet-heat. | 14:12 |
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| bogdando | In this request we will include openstack_extras::pacemaker::heat class in order to override standard Service provider for heat_engine to Pacemaker | 14:13 |
| bogdando | some questions? | 14:13 |
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| nibalizer | i dont feel like i have enough familiarity with what your proposing to ask an intelligent question | 14:14 |
| nibalizer | but ill look at the spec this week and bug you with questions if i have time | 14:14 |
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| bogdando | nibalizer, ok, thank you | 14:14 |
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| crinkle | same here | 14:15 |
| crinkle | ready for next topic? | 14:15 |
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| crinkle | #topic Integration tests | 14:16 |
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| crinkle | nibalizer: | 14:16 |
| nibalizer | ohai | 14:16 |
| nibalizer | so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126086/ is a change | 14:16 |
| nibalizer | with beaker tests enabled | 14:16 |
| nibalizer | the beaker tests on the infra side are all a-ok | 14:17 |
| nibalizer | http://logs.openstack.org/86/126086/6/check/gate-puppet-storyboard-puppet-beaker-rspec/5c1530e/console.html#_2014-11-21_13_22_59_313 | 14:17 |
| nibalizer | that test actually fails because well the tests are failing because the storyboard module doesn't work in trusty | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | oh dear I missed the meeting | 14:17 |
| nibalizer | EmilienM: you missed the first *part* of the meeting | 14:17 |
| nibalizer | so basically that means we can start integration testing the openstack modules | 14:18 |
| nibalizer | and i can slap together some basics on that, i think the nova one has the super super basics already | 14:18 |
| nibalizer | so it would be easier from the infra perspective to add the beaker-rspec tests to every module in one commit, nonvoting | 14:19 |
| nibalizer | but Idunno how you all feel about having nonvoting tests all over your reviews (that would probably be failing at first) | 14:19 |
| crinkle | I had some more comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102020/ and I'm not sure if sbadia's issue was resolved | 14:19 |
| mdorman | nibalizer: personally i like the idea. i don’t really care if non-voting stuff fails, i just think it’s good to have the info | 14:20 |
| nibalizer | crinkle: okay ill respond to that after the meeting | 14:20 |
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| crinkle | i also think it's fine to have failing nonvoting tests, we'll just have to have people work on fixing them | 14:20 |
| nibalizer | okay | 14:21 |
| nibalizer | so we agree that we're gonna run failing nonvoating beaker tests on all the modules, and I (hopefully with help) will try to turn those tests green this cycle | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | indeed, nonvoting is a good start | 14:22 |
| nibalizer | okay, im done then | 14:22 |
| EmilienM | nibalizer: +1 | 14:22 |
| crinkle | #topic open discussion | 14:23 |
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| crinkle | anything else to discuss? | 14:24 |
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| EmilienM | I have one thing | 14:25 |
| sbadia | nothing for me: / (I caught the backlog of last week) | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | I still don't really see why the pacemaker bits are going in extras, while we have some bits for rabbitmq, mysql in lib | 14:25 |
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| EmilienM | crinkle: do you know? | 14:26 |
| crinkle | my understanding is that the pacemaker stuf isn't going to replace anything in the modules, so there's no reason to treat it as shared common code, so it doesn't belong in lib | 14:26 |
| nibalizer | is the lib/extras the required vs optional split? | 14:26 |
| crinkle | basically | 14:26 |
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| nibalizer | that would make sense to me to keep it in extras, but like I said, I have some learning to do on my end before Im ready to comment on that stuff | 14:27 |
| crinkle | lib is getting consumed by the modules, extras is other stuff that isn't 100% necessary to have an openstack | 14:27 |
| crinkle | the mysql and rabbitmq stuff goes in lib because every module is going to set up a database and a mysql user and a rabbit user and a rabbit vhost | 14:28 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: fair enough | 14:29 |
| crinkle | and as a reminder that stuff doesn't include setting up the mysql server itself or the rabbitmq server itself | 14:29 |
| crinkle | which would go in the composition module | 14:29 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:29 |
| crinkle | anything else? | 14:30 |
| nibalizer | not from me | 14:31 |
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| sbadia | not for me also | 14:32 |
| crinkle | woo short meeting | 14:32 |
| nibalizer | woo | 14:32 |
| crinkle | #endmeeting | 14:32 |
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| nibalizer | thanks evvryone! | 14:32 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 24 14:32:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-11-24-14.04.html | 14:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-11-24-14.04.txt | 14:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2014/puppet_openstack.2014-11-24-14.04.log.html | 14:32 |
| sbadia | thanks! | 14:32 |
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| NikolayM | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 24 16:00:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NikolayM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| NikolayM | hi guys! | 16:00 |
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| NikolayM | let's wait few minutes | 16:01 |
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| NikolayM | ok | 16:02 |
| NikolayM | #topic Review Action Items | 16:02 |
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| NikolayM | from previous meeting we have 2 AI: | 16:02 |
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| NikolayM | 1. rakhmerov, create all needed BPs based on Paris Summit results | 16:03 |
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| NikolayM | I know Renat created about 15 new blueprints | 16:03 |
| NikolayM | so, it's done | 16:03 |
| NikolayM | 2. rakhmerov, akuznetsova: meet and discuss integration test coverage | 16:04 |
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| NikolayM | As for this, I just know we have a meeting and discussed the ways of fixing and implementing tests | 16:05 |
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| NikolayM | also all check list (include v1 and v2 tests) will be available soon | 16:06 |
| NikolayM | ok, let's go to the current status | 16:06 |
| NikolayM | #topic Current Status | 16:06 |
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| NikolayM | Me: implemented workflow-resume | 16:07 |
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| dzimine | hi sorry im a bit late | 16:08 |
| NikolayM | and also implemented new simplify way to upload actions, workflows and workbooks | 16:08 |
| NikolayM | hi dzimine! | 16:08 |
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| NikolayM | dzimine, did you know how is Winson's progress on event listeners? It seems he is not with us today | 16:10 |
| dzimine | he hasn't started on it yet. | 16:11 |
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| NikolayM | ok | 16:11 |
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| NikolayM | #topic Open discussion | 16:12 |
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| NikolayM | dzimine, would you like to discuss something? | 16:13 |
| NikolayM | ooh | 16:13 |
| NikolayM | we had a bug scrub recently | 16:13 |
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| dzimine | I thought rakhmerov wanted to go over the blueprints. | 16:14 |
| NikolayM | we set the correct statuses on all bugs in mistral and python-mistralclient | 16:14 |
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| NikolayM | and also deleted not reproduced ones | 16:15 |
| dzimine | hope you didn't delete them but closed as "can't repro" :) | 16:15 |
| NikolayM | yes, we created a lot of new blueprints | 16:15 |
| NikolayM | yes, just set status 'Invalid' | 16:15 |
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| NikolayM | so, let's wrap up :) | 16:19 |
| NikolayM | thank you | 16:20 |
| NikolayM | bye ! | 16:20 |
| NikolayM | #endmeeting | 16:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 24 16:20:33 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-11-24-16.00.html | 16:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-11-24-16.00.txt | 16:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-11-24-16.00.log.html | 16:20 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 24 17:01:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:02 |
| rluethi | good evening. | 17:02 |
| matjazp | hi all | 17:02 |
| sayali | hello | 17:02 |
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| sarob | Hello | 17:02 |
| MeganR | Hello | 17:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | Hello | 17:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | I think we got the time this time | 17:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | *right this time i mean | 17:04 |
| MeganR | :) | 17:04 |
| sarob | #topic kilo plans | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | ShillaSaebi: I hear you - happend to me too few weeks ago | 17:04 |
| sarob | Right | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | there are few patches in the pipeline about enhancing existing docbook content | 17:05 |
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| matjazp | we should decide about that | 17:05 |
| sayali | I think its on the agenda too | 17:05 |
| sarob | But no bp or specs | 17:06 |
| rluethi | sarob: ? | 17:06 |
| sayali | what sarob ? | 17:06 |
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| sarob | I was hoping for a few bp and/or specs | 17:07 |
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| sarob | To set the agenda for the kilo cycle | 17:07 |
| rluethi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136633/ | 17:07 |
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| rluethi | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/+spec/training-vm-in-public-cloud | 17:08 |
| matjazp | do we use doc's spec repo or ours? | 17:08 |
| sarob | Ah didn't see that | 17:08 |
| sarob | We agreed with the docs team to use theirs | 17:08 |
| sarob | At least the last time we discussed it | 17:08 |
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| rluethi | sarob: I submitted the spec to our repo because that's where our other spec are. | 17:09 |
| rluethi | sarob: are you going to move them? | 17:09 |
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| sarob | Sure I can do that this morning | 17:10 |
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| sarob | The ones I created are stale | 17:10 |
| matjazp | sarob: so do we delete or move them? or move them to juno folder in spec for archive purposes? | 17:11 |
| sarob | On second look | 17:11 |
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| sarob | Only shillasaebi spec is relevant still | 17:12 |
| sarob | If the team is okay with it | 17:12 |
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| sarob | I'd like to just remove the whole specs dir | 17:13 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah I'm good with that | 17:13 |
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| sarob | I'll double check with annegentle that we are still go to use docs-specs | 17:13 |
| sarob | Okay | 17:13 |
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| sarob | Other thoughts? | 17:14 |
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| rluethi | sarob: I think the person writing up a spec should want to implement the feature (or at least believe it should be done). | 17:14 |
| dguitarbite | hello | 17:15 |
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| sarob | Agreed | 17:15 |
| matjazp | rluethi: yes, but not exclusively | 17:15 |
| sarob | Evening dguitarbite | 17:15 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: what do you mean by exclusively? | 17:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | others can join and help? | 17:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | possibly | 17:16 |
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| dguitarbite | morning sarob | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | apologies for being late | 17:16 |
| rluethi | all I'm saying is I wrote a spec with some reluctance because I don't think it should be done in Kilo. | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | I was a bit too deep into Unreal Engine 4 source code | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: the b/p is registered in Kilo | 17:17 |
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| dguitarbite | does not mean that it should be implemented in Kilo | 17:17 |
| dguitarbite | you could implement it or target the b/p for another release in future too | 17:17 |
| sarob | Right | 17:17 |
| dguitarbite | or keep in on hold with appropriate reasons | 17:18 |
| sarob | We can document that stuff | 17:18 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: yeah, but why spend precious time speculating about random features that we might or might not do in the rather distant future? | 17:18 |
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| sarob | Most important is this release work | 17:18 |
| sarob | Needs to be planned out | 17:18 |
| sarob | Through bp | 17:18 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: its not speculation | 17:18 |
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| dguitarbite | these are desired features etc. etc. and we prioritize them as per the time/feedback etc. | 17:19 |
| sarob | The docs team and TC | 17:19 |
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| sarob | Need to know what we have planned | 17:19 |
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| sarob | That's through the bp assigned to milestones | 17:19 |
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| ShillaSaebi | sounds good | 17:20 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: from my side, I am almost ready with my patch | 17:20 |
| dguitarbite | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136774/ | 17:20 |
| dguitarbite | this one is the dep. | 17:20 |
| dguitarbite | for this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134538/ for the basic install guides | 17:20 |
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| dguitarbite | after this I will push the spec | 17:21 |
| sarob | Okay | 17:21 |
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| matjazp | rluethi sent a mail to the ML, some of us commented about priorities.. do we have a consensus on that? | 17:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | when did the mail go out | 17:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | i don't remember seeing that one | 17:21 |
| matjazp | 11/21/2014 | 17:22 |
| rluethi | ShillaSaebi: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2014-November/005510.html | 17:22 |
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| sarob | Ah right | 17:22 |
| rluethi | matjazp: I am fine with the priorities as suggested by you. | 17:22 |
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| matjazp | btw: good work writing that down, roger :) | 17:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok i did see this | 17:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah thanks for putting this together, I'm fine with these prios | 17:23 |
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| sayali | I agree too. | 17:23 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: there you go - no BPs for you, as #1to #3 dont need them | 17:24 |
| dguitarbite | the rest of them are my responsibilities which I will write up as b/ps :) | 17:25 |
| sarob | Weird I don't have that email | 17:25 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: you dont need to work that hard ;) | 17:25 |
| rluethi | matjazp: perfect :) | 17:25 |
| sayali | I will write up #9 :) | 17:25 |
| matjazp | rluethi: I knew you would be happy ;) | 17:25 |
| rluethi | sarob: you replied to matjazp's reply. | 17:25 |
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| dguitarbite | sayali: do not forget #0! | 17:25 |
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| sarob | Strange | 17:26 |
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| sarob | I can't find it now | 17:27 |
| sayali | dguitarbite: :/ | 17:27 |
| sarob | Found it | 17:27 |
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| * dguitarbite #9 does not exist, I figured you are joking | 17:27 | |
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| sarob | Need more coffee | 17:28 |
| sayali | dguitarbite: it does! I wrote back a mail adding #9 | 17:28 |
| sayali | :P | 17:28 |
| dguitarbite | ahh, ok :| | 17:28 |
| sayali | dguitarbite: ;D | 17:29 |
| matjazp | sayali: does #9 need bp? | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | sayali: I am not sure if its a spec | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: I agree | 17:29 |
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| matjazp | seems like a patch | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | may be its a subpoint to the already existing scripts b/p | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | may be for the host side scripts | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: sayali do you guys agree to discuss about the specs in labs after the meeting on docs IRC channel? | 17:29 |
| sayali | well I thought it would be a bp if we want to have a variety of colors and variations for logsand stuff | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | we might need to figure out the number of specs that make sense | 17:30 |
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| rluethi | matjazp, dguitarbite: you'd be surprised how much is involved in making colors work well for the scripts. I looked into it before. | 17:30 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: sure, I've got an hour. | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | sayali: exactly, thats why I suggested to have a chat later on and finalize the b/p's required for labs section | 17:30 |
| * dguitarbite meeting need not be today but soonish | 17:30 | |
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| sayali | dguitarbite: I am not sure I can make it today after the meeting. | 17:31 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: It's not the number of specs, but the kind of features that need a spec. | 17:31 |
| sarob | I can't either :/ | 17:31 |
| sayali | dguitarbite: we could discuss it later this week if thats alright | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I meant to discuss these things, not to say that we just decide number of specs ... rather filter the features and classify them into required amount of specs | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | sayali: yes | 17:32 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: ah ok. | 17:32 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: it would be counterproductive otherwise | 17:32 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: so? that's not unheard of :). | 17:32 |
| dguitarbite | ;) | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | lets move on | 17:34 |
| rluethi | I would really like to talk about the point matjazp already brought up: | 17:34 |
| rluethi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2014-November/005518.html | 17:34 |
| rluethi | we are getting lots of patches for docbook content. | 17:34 |
| rluethi | why? | 17:34 |
| rluethi | I thought that was going away for the most part. | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | may be because we are planning to remove them, people have finally started taking interest in that ? | 17:35 |
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| dguitarbite | is anyone trying to troll us? | 17:35 |
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| sayali | rluethi: dguitarbite content will be copied from the docbook right? | 17:36 |
| matjazp | we'll the move is not here, so we neet to figure out what is useful and what's not | 17:36 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: hardly. | 17:36 |
| matjazp | well | 17:36 |
| sarob | How about I change the wiki to reflect our plans | 17:36 |
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| sarob | The changes plans | 17:36 |
| sarob | Planned | 17:36 |
| rluethi | ShillaSaebi? | 17:36 |
| matjazp | some content update is still relevant | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: around 1 or 2 pages are unique | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | which are virtualbox related | 17:37 |
| dguitarbite | rest of them are repeating | 17:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | so those should stay | 17:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | the unique ones right | 17:37 |
| dguitarbite | either copied from us or by us | 17:37 |
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| dguitarbite | ShillaSaebi: we could easliy push them into wikis | 17:37 |
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| ShillaSaebi | dguitarbite that sounds like a plan | 17:37 |
| dguitarbite | the bigger question in this case is "Who will create/maintain the slides" | 17:37 |
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| dguitarbite | after my patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134538/ goes through | 17:38 |
| matjazp | I still need a repo for quizzes, so I'll move all the relevant Q&A int RST format? | 17:38 |
| sarob | Well we need to get that patch agreed to first | 17:38 |
| rluethi | the other question is: wasn't the pilot in CA supposed to start these days? what are they working with? sarob? | 17:38 |
| dguitarbite | it will be 1-2 weeks before the docs folder is almost empty | 17:38 |
| sarob | Rluethi we started last thurs | 17:39 |
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| rluethi | sarob: so do they have slides? | 17:39 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: this should work, annegentle is only worried about virtualbox content which is not included here | 17:39 |
| rluethi | sarob: are you writing them as the course goes forward? | 17:39 |
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| dguitarbite | matjazp: about the quizzes, RST sounds good | 17:39 |
| sarob | I was hoping this was going to be a team effort | 17:40 |
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| sarob | As the big patch gets approved | 17:40 |
| rluethi | sarob: It won't be if you don't tell us :). | 17:40 |
| sarob | Then the slides for chap 3-4 are important | 17:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | haha | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I will be busy with creating exercises with osbash, openstack-koans and managing the infra for training guides | 17:40 |
| sarob | I'm motivated | 17:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | if i can get someone to work together with me as part of a team effort, i will volunteer | 17:41 |
| dguitarbite | I can review the slides :) | 17:41 |
| sarob | So I will start | 17:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | just don't want to be the single point | 17:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 17:41 |
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| sarob | Nothing like making a fool of yourself | 17:41 |
| sarob | In front of 60 people | 17:41 |
| sarob | For motivation | 17:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | haha | 17:41 |
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| sarob | My big picture | 17:42 |
| sarob | Needs for running the training | 17:42 |
| sarob | Is simple | 17:42 |
| sarob | Slides | 17:42 |
| sarob | Test clusters | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I can help out with the migration | 17:42 |
| sarob | Quizzes | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite | track the content and syllabus | 17:42 |
| sarob | Cool | 17:43 |
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| rluethi | sarob: the training cluster in a public is not likely to happen this cycle (if ever). | 17:43 |
| sarob | The finer points of how we do these things are important | 17:43 |
| rluethi | sarob: I sort of expect most trainees will turn up with Windows machines. | 17:43 |
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| rluethi | sarob: so based on your experience/feedback, we might have to elevate the priority for Windows batch scripts. | 17:44 |
| sarob | It's a mix of nothing, Linux, win, OS X | 17:44 |
| sarob | And tablets | 17:44 |
| rluethi | Linux and OS X should be no problem. | 17:44 |
| sarob | The common thread is browser | 17:44 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: tablets might be a challenge | 17:44 |
| rluethi | tablet users can use them to read the install-guide :) | 17:44 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: hehe :D | 17:44 |
| sarob | If we can build clusters through scripts | 17:45 |
| sarob | And get copies of them | 17:45 |
| sarob | On public cloud | 17:45 |
| sarob | That's makes success | 17:45 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: that was the spec roger has pushed as of now | 17:45 |
| sarob | For anyone that shows up | 17:45 |
| rluethi | The main problem seems to be that we can't get all the OpenStack networking magic nested. | 17:46 |
| sarob | Yup | 17:46 |
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| sarob | And I love him for it | 17:46 |
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| rluethi | That's pretty much a hard limit. Only way out is all-in-one. I tried to describe the issues in the spec. | 17:46 |
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| sarob | I like what i read | 17:47 |
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| sarob | If we spin all our goals back to enabling trainjng | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: rluethi lets ship it for the time being, depending on the cloud we could write the init scripts to run the osbash scripts and get a multi-node cluster running | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite | s/cloud/public cloud/ | 17:47 |
| sarob | Our priorities are clearer | 17:47 |
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| rluethi | dguitarbite: let's talk about that later. | 17:48 |
| sarob | I will chk with annegentle on docs-specs use today | 17:48 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: yes | 17:48 |
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| matjazp | are labs working now as they should? | 17:49 |
| sarob | Then we can get a few more reviews on the patch and merge it to docs-specs kilo | 17:49 |
| rluethi | matjazp: you tell me, you are testing them with your students. | 17:49 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: roger that | 17:50 |
| matjazp | rluethi: as of now, we're still at devstack phase | 17:50 |
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| dguitarbite | matjazp: they are ready, there is a small issue and we have a work around for that | 17:50 |
| rluethi | matjazp: to the best of my knowledge, the scripts are pretty solid now. | 17:50 |
| matjazp | all-in-one | 17:50 |
| rluethi | matjazp: ? | 17:51 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: devstack all in one | 17:51 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: I see. | 17:52 |
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| matjazp | dguitarbite: what issue? | 17:52 |
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| dguitarbite | matjazp: you just need to restart nova-compute service on compute node sometimes it is not running | 17:52 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: pushed a patch to fix that, hopefully it should work now | 17:53 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite, matjazp: yeah, that should be fixed. | 17:53 |
| matjazp | ok, that's not a biggie | 17:53 |
| rluethi | nova-compute goes XXX for a couple of minutes after a controller reboot, but I think that's how OpenStack works. | 17:53 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: yes, sorry for that ... just a minor issue which is probably fixed | 17:53 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: the test script on gerrit gives you a good idea of some of the things that can go wrong and how to diagnose and fix them. | 17:55 |
| rluethi | matjazp: awful code, though, sorry. | 17:55 |
| dguitarbite | time check 5 mins remaining | 17:55 |
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| sayali | it works really well | 17:55 |
| matjazp | rluethi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131689/ ? | 17:55 |
| rluethi | matjazp: that's the one. | 17:56 |
| matjazp | rluethi: ok | 17:56 |
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| dguitarbite | matjazp: it works fine, the code is a bit ugly but it does the job well | 17:57 |
| sarob | I'm writing a ml on the priorities for associates training in sfbay user group | 17:58 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: what is the start date? | 17:58 |
| sarob | Last thurs | 17:58 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 17:58 |
| sarob | It should help with the team priorities | 17:59 |
| sarob | I'm asking reed to do the same | 17:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok guys i have to sign off, have a hard stop at 1, have a good day | 17:59 |
| sarob | Me too | 17:59 |
| sarob | Cheers | 17:59 |
| dguitarbite | see ya, times up | 17:59 |
| matjazp | bye all | 17:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | see ya | 17:59 |
| MeganR | Have a good week! | 17:59 |
| rluethi | bye | 17:59 |
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| sayali | bye:) | 17:59 |
| dguitarbite | sayali: roger lets meet on docs IRC channel | 17:59 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: k | 17:59 |
| dguitarbite | to schedule the meeting | 17:59 |
| dguitarbite | bye everyoen | 18:00 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 24 18:00:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-11-24-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-11-24-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-11-24-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 24 18:00:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:01 |
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| mmedvede | o/ | 18:01 |
| sweston_ | o/ | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | third-party ci folks? | 18:01 |
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| krtaylor | not sure if we will have a quorum this week or not | 18:01 |
| sweston_ | krtaylor: looks pretty light | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | sweston, agreed | 18:02 |
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| asselin | hi | 18:02 |
| sweston | asselin: welcome | 18:02 |
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| krtaylor | OK, well there are a few of us, we can determine if we need to re-discuss anything at Dec 1 meeting | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | hard to tell how many lurking - Hi everyone, welcome! | 18:03 |
| asselin | I would like to meet briefly. I'll have some 'quiet' time this week to help out. | 18:03 |
| asselin | I won't be here next week. | 18:03 |
| krtaylor | sure, lets get started | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:04 |
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| krtaylor | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | and today's agenda: | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#11.2F24.2F14 | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | lots of carry over still from summit | 18:04 |
| krtaylor | which is to be expected this time of year | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:05 |
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| krtaylor | we did have actions from last time | 18:05 |
| krtaylor | first was mine | 18:06 |
| asselin | krtaylor, where do you see the actions? | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | asselin, in the meeting log | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-11-17-18.01.html | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | asselin, ^^^ | 18:06 |
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| krtaylor | I created the etherpad, but did not (yet) send out email | 18:07 |
| asselin | krtaylor, not seeing that on the agenda...will look later | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-ci-documentation | 18:07 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, not seeing action items? | 18:07 |
| asselin | krtaylor, not from the agenda link.... | 18:08 |
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| asselin | krtaylor, we can look at that later | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | asselin, no they are in the meeting log, the agenda item is "Review ...action items" | 18:09 |
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| krtaylor | I do not break out the actions from each meeting in the meeting agenda, but thats not a bad idea | 18:09 |
| krtaylor | its just a cut/paste | 18:09 |
| krtaylor | most of this is just a cut/paste | 18:10 |
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| sweston | hehe | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | just need more cut/pasters :) | 18:10 |
| sweston | good to have all the info consolidated, though | 18:10 |
| asselin | krtaylor, no, I mean, I don't see the link to the past meetings from the agenda page. | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | yeah, and we have discussed archiving past meetings after a while, but it would move stuff around a bit, so not needed yet | 18:11 |
| dougwig | o/, sorry i'm late | 18:11 |
| asselin | krtaylor, nevermind, found it | 18:11 |
| asselin | sorry | 18:11 |
| krtaylor | asselin, yeah, at the very bottom, that should move too | 18:11 |
| * krtaylor makes a metal note to move that to the top | 18:12 | |
| asselin | (I clicked the 2nd one, which was very old) | 18:12 |
| krtaylor | yes it irritates me too | 18:12 |
| krtaylor | that was before we "standardized" the name | 18:12 |
| asselin | krtaylor, I'll take the action to move it :) | 18:12 |
| krtaylor | thats why I insist everything be "third-party" | 18:12 |
| krtaylor | not my first choice, but what we agreed to | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | anyway... | 18:13 |
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| krtaylor | I'll email doc formation by tomorrow, hoping this will be a lighter week | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | #action krtaylor to finish initial CI doc work group formation | 18:13 |
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| krtaylor | altright then, sweston had the second | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | and that was completed, any comments sweston ? | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | although we will discuss fully later | 18:14 |
| sweston | krtaylor: yup, spec was completed, although no comments are posted yet, so would like to get some eyes on that | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | +1, on my list too | 18:15 |
| asselin | link? | 18:15 |
| krtaylor | I added jhesketh to reviewers, he is out for another week | 18:15 |
| sweston | also sent out an email to mikal on the stackforge radar repository, have not heard anything back | 18:15 |
| krtaylor | asselin, in the agenda later | 18:16 |
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| krtaylor | sweston, this is something we will need to discuss for several weeks, especially this time of year | 18:16 |
| asselin | must be monday morning | 18:16 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 18:16 |
| sweston | also, just settled on the javascript ui framework, and have updated the github repo and the test system | 18:17 |
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| krtaylor | lets move along then and get to that discussion | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | any anouncements? | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | onward then | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:18 |
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| krtaylor | CI documentation, I have already commented on the state of that, there was a lot of interest at summit | 18:18 |
| krtaylor | need to get that kicked off | 18:18 |
| asselin | krtaylor, I'm interested to help out with that | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | asselin, yes, please | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | I figured most everyone here will have patches for that | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | we'll just need to coordinate what parts each will work on initially | 18:19 |
| krtaylor | so we dont re-write a section 3 times | 18:20 |
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| krtaylor | stay tuned for email soon | 18:20 |
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| krtaylor | anythings else on that? | 18:20 |
| sweston | krtaylor: maybe we can have bug tracking for the docs | 18:20 |
| sweston | that might give some order to the chaos | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | sweston, hm, I was thinking maybe jumping in and using storyboard | 18:21 |
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| sweston | it's a bit more sophisticated than dibs, ;-) | 18:21 |
| krtaylor | dividing up the doc into tasks | 18:22 |
| sweston | krtaylor: +1, storyboard would be great | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | then someone can assign a section to themselves | 18:22 |
| asselin | does etherpad have an export to rst. wondering if there's a way to do 'live' updates | 18:22 |
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| krtaylor | similar to what we are doing with puppet modules | 18:22 |
| asselin | or a wiki page with sections | 18:22 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, either way, we'd need patches for review | 18:23 |
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| asselin | true | 18:23 |
| sayali | I agree too./part | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | I think it would be easier for comments and agreement | 18:23 |
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| krtaylor | my thought was to bust up the doc into proposed sections, then reach agreement on that in etherpad, then I'll populate storyboard | 18:24 |
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| krtaylor | then we can start patch party | 18:24 |
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| krtaylor | it will be good to follow along with the infra documentation work that is coming up too | 18:24 |
| asselin | ok | 18:24 |
| sweston | asselin: that's a good question, it does doku wiki, I don't think it does rst | 18:24 |
| krtaylor | I believe the virtual sprint is coming up | 18:25 |
| sweston | patch party, yeah! | 18:25 |
| krtaylor | do we want to start a virtual sprint for this work? | 18:25 |
| krtaylor | that would be a 2-3 day meeting in the new sprint irc channel | 18:25 |
| sweston | krtaylor: that would be lovely | 18:26 |
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| krtaylor | let's see how the infra doc sprint goes and we can follow, maybe 1st or 2nd week of January | 18:26 |
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| krtaylor | that will give us time to identify sections | 18:26 |
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| sweston | sounds good | 18:27 |
| asselin | agree | 18:27 |
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| krtaylor | excellent, sounds like a plan | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | ok, onward, CI monitoring and dashboard | 18:27 |
| krtaylor | sweston, any comments | 18:27 |
| sweston | let me find the link to the review | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | I did review the spec, it is good I have a few additions that I'll add | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170 | 18:28 |
| krtaylor | sweston, it is in the agenda too | 18:28 |
| sweston | krtaylor: ok, see that now, thanks | 18:28 |
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| sweston | looking forward to the input | 18:29 |
| sweston | here is a link to the dashboard test server, http://dashboard.triniplex.com | 18:29 |
| krtaylor | sweston, the page created is very interesting, I did not realize there were that many systems actually reporting | 18:30 |
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| sweston | I know, I was surprised too | 18:30 |
| krtaylor | sweston, actually that was one of my comment areas, that the page needs to be summarized somehow, initially we were thinking Radar-ish | 18:30 |
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| krtaylor | people like pretty colorful guages, etc | 18:31 |
| sweston | so now that I have the ui framework in place, the next step is building the daemon that will hook into the ssh event stream | 18:31 |
| sweston | krtaylor: yes, that's what I was thinking as well, but I don't have much to visualize right now | 18:31 |
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| krtaylor | sweston, yes, my second area of comment | 18:31 |
| sweston | any suggestions for what might go well there? | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | it is great to have something to poke at, this is excellent work sweston ! | 18:32 |
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| sweston | krtaylor: yay! and, thanks | 18:32 |
| krtaylor | sweston, yes, that would be a good discussion with jhesketh | 18:32 |
| asselin | yes, sweston, very nice! | 18:32 |
| sweston | asselin: thanks :-) | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | it is finally coming together, we have talked about different approaches for months | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | it takes someone to put together an initial plan, then everyone can jump on board | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | thanks sweston | 18:33 |
| krtaylor | anything else on this? | 18:34 |
| krtaylor | alright onward | 18:34 |
| krtaylor | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:34 |
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| krtaylor | I don't know of any new deadlines yet | 18:35 |
| sweston | welcome. yes, the hope was that once there is a testbed and repository that there will be more interest generated and more people will begin to contribute. | 18:35 |
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| sweston | ok, am done now, continue, please | 18:35 |
| krtaylor | but I know some groups will have new deadlines as we get further into Kilo | 18:35 |
| krtaylor | sweston, np | 18:35 |
| krtaylor | might have some new ones from cinder maybe? | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | we'll see | 18:36 |
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| krtaylor | I'll get those cores to come give us a status on testing | 18:36 |
| krtaylor | anything else? | 18:37 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:37 |
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| krtaylor | so, only thing here is the ongoing split patches | 18:37 |
| * krtaylor still needs to update his | 18:38 | |
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| asselin | I can do another one. Any opinions on which is next? | 18:38 |
| krtaylor | there has been a bunch of merges - nice work asselin and mmedvede | 18:38 |
| asselin | thanks | 18:39 |
| mmedvede | thanks. I have another one I am working on, waiting for the spec to settle down | 18:40 |
| asselin | also wondering if that should be more automated now...? | 18:40 |
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| asselin | there's 50 or so | 18:40 |
| krtaylor | I don't see why not | 18:40 |
| mmedvede | The split itself could be somewhat automated. But most of work seems to be coordinating the merges | 18:41 |
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| asselin | right | 18:41 |
| sweston | we need continuous integration for continuous integration | 18:42 |
| asselin | and I found that 'updating' a split is not a big deal, so we don't really need to freeze until we're ready to merge | 18:42 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: updating involves asking someone to force push, correct? | 18:42 |
| asselin | and by updating, I mean re-subtree-ing a split | 18:42 |
| asselin | right, pushing to the temp git hub location | 18:43 |
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| asselin | in fact, it could be a cron job | 18:43 |
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| asselin | or a post-job on the infra ci system | 18:44 |
| sweston | or even a file, used as a semaphore | 18:44 |
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| asselin | sweston, ?? | 18:44 |
| krtaylor | it could, but I suspect that infra cores will want to be involved | 18:45 |
| mmedvede | I think in time between first and second merge, you would still need to make sure the new project is up to date (not the temporary github location) | 18:45 |
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| sweston | you create it when you are ready to push, once the system merges it, the file is removed | 18:45 |
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| mmedvede | So some sort of freeze is necessary | 18:45 |
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| krtaylor | sweston, I believe there was comments on that, and WIP was the answer, right? | 18:45 |
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| sweston | krtaylor: I believe so | 18:46 |
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| asselin | mmedvede, not sure. I'm wondering if we can minimize the freeze by keeping the temp in sync with master. | 18:46 |
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| mmedvede | krtaylor, sweston, that was due to us not marking commits clearly. If we do, we could get away without WIPing. But we need to be careful | 18:47 |
| krtaylor | agreed | 18:47 |
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| sweston | yup | 18:47 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: I do not think the new project does update automatically from the temp | 18:47 |
| mmedvede | if it did, then yes, would be much easier | 18:47 |
| asselin | mmedvede, let me expalin my idea again more clearly. | 18:48 |
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| asselin | we create a new post-job that re-subtress the puppet modules in system-config to the temp git-hub location, so they're always in sync | 18:48 |
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| asselin | then, when we merge the project-config change the pulls in the temp github repo, it will be correct. | 18:49 |
| mmedvede | asselin: that is what I thought you were saying. The problem is with the period between the first and the second merges. It can become out of sync | 18:49 |
| sweston | asselin: wouldn't that potentially overwrite your changes? | 18:50 |
| asselin | mmedvede, yes, true, but that time is short. | 18:50 |
| asselin | sweston, no, when you re-tree, git is smart enough to just push the extra commits | 18:51 |
| mmedvede | asselin: it is only short if there is a core that shephards the merge. There is at least 20 minutes between merges | 18:51 |
| asselin | sweston, this is what happened when I did if for puppet-jenkins | 18:51 |
| sweston | asselin: ah, | 18:51 |
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| sweston | well, I think it's a good idea. ideas for forward movement? | 18:52 |
| asselin | I can play around with it and see if I can get a patch proposed | 18:53 |
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| mmedvede | sweston: with more automation for splits? | 18:53 |
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| krtaylor | yes, otherwise it is a long process for another 40 patchsets | 18:53 |
| sweston | mmedvede: yes, I think this is going to continue to slow you down substantially, until it is fixed | 18:54 |
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| asselin | ideally, we can do it quickly and get it done. like pulling off a band-aid | 18:54 |
| krtaylor | lol | 18:54 |
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| sweston | asselin: yes, but in my experience people don't like it 'cause it hurts, :-) | 18:55 |
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| asselin | lol :) | 18:55 |
| mmedvede | +1 on auto-subtreeing were possible (just keep in mind some history is lost with subtree split) | 18:55 |
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| krtaylor | ok, let's move on so we have time for questions, we can discuss this further in -infra | 18:55 |
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| krtaylor | mmedvede, that would be a good question, how much info lost is a problem | 18:56 |
| krtaylor | with sub-tree split | 18:56 |
| krtaylor | ok, we have 4 minutes | 18:56 |
| krtaylor | no Third-party system review this week, those are coming | 18:56 |
| asselin | I'm curious to know why no third party solution exists in -infra with so many 3rd party operators. | 18:56 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, not sure I understand | 18:57 |
| sweston | asselin: me too. | 18:57 |
| asselin | there's 100 ci systems according to sweston dashboard | 18:57 |
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| asselin | but 3rd party solutions I know of are jaypipes and a few forks from there | 18:57 |
| sweston | asselin is talking about a project for third party automation | 18:57 |
| clarkb | asselin: because very few third party operators actively participate with infra upstream | 18:58 |
| krtaylor | if you mean this agenda item, it is just because I have not told someone that are presenting | 18:58 |
| asselin | the rest must be private | 18:58 |
| krtaylor | ah, there are other solutions | 18:58 |
| clarkb | asselin: yes exactly | 18:58 |
| sweston | clarkb: which is a shame :-( | 18:58 |
| krtaylor | but, all agreed that they would be willing to share what they have created | 18:58 |
| krtaylor | in our third-party session | 18:58 |
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| krtaylor | its like I said, it takes someone to push a proposal and then everyone can jump on board | 18:59 |
| krtaylor | ok, 1 minute :) | 18:59 |
| sweston | krtaylor: +1 | 18:59 |
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| krtaylor | we ran out of time for open discussion this week | 18:59 |
| sweston | clarkb: are you omnipresent in all channels, btw? | 19:00 |
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| sweston | :-) | 19:00 |
| asselin | krtaylor, ok thanks good info. | 19:00 |
| krtaylor | if anyone has questions, lets continue in -infra channel | 19:00 |
| sweston | thanks everyone! | 19:00 |
| asselin | clarkb, thanks too | 19:00 |
| krtaylor | good meeting! | 19:00 |
| jroll | \o | 19:00 |
| krtaylor | bye all | 19:00 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 24 19:00:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-11-24-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-11-24-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-11-24-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 24 19:01:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | morning all whos here for the Ironic meeting | 19:01 |
| JayF | o/ | 19:01 |
| harshada_kakad | o/ | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | \o/ | 19:01 |
| naohirot | o/ | 19:01 |
| devananda | hi all! | 19:01 |
| JoshNang | o/ | 19:01 |
| rloo | o/ | 19:01 |
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| mrda | \o/ | 19:01 |
| wanyen | hi | 19:01 |
| jroll | \o | 19:01 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:01 |
| jroll | (in this meeting this time) | 19:02 |
| JayF | o/ | 19:02 |
| Shrews | o/ | 19:02 |
| devananda | jroll: :) | 19:02 |
| vdrok_ | o/ | 19:02 |
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| devananda | as usual, the agenda is posted here: | 19:02 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:02 |
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| devananda | to note, the format of the meeting has changed | 19:03 |
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| devananda | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
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| NobodyCam | status information posted here: | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 19:03 |
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| devananda | #undo | 19:03 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x1f28510> | 19:03 |
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| devananda | er, sorry - meant to undo my topic change | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | oh jumpped the gun | 19:03 |
| devananda | #undo | 19:03 |
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| devananda | as NobodyCam helpfully linked, the subteam status reports were prepared ahead of time | 19:04 |
| devananda | and posted to the etherpad | 19:04 |
| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 19:04 |
| JayF | Those are to be sent out to the ML to be persisted (in archives), correct? | 19:04 |
| jroll | yes | 19:04 |
| devananda | we'll go over those after the announcements, and I'll email a summary afterwards | 19:04 |
| jroll | JayF: after the meeting | 19:05 |
| JayF | perfect | 19:05 |
| devananda | that's the largest change to the meeting format | 19:05 |
| devananda | ok -- moving on now, for real :) | 19:05 |
| devananda | #topic announcements | 19:05 |
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| NobodyCam | I’d like to call attention to old specs to be abandoned after this meeting | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-juno-specs-to-be-removed | 19:05 |
| devananda | this is Thanksgiving week in the US, so folks who recognize that holiday (or jsut want time off work) may be less available | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | (unless updated to kilo cycle) | 19:05 |
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| devananda | I'll be offline Thursday, but probably here Friday | 19:06 |
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| devananda | #topic subteam status review | 19:06 |
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| NobodyCam | I'll be off thurs and mostly kinda around fri | 19:06 |
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| * devananda goes and looks at the etherpad for any last-minute changes he hasn't seen | 19:07 | |
| NobodyCam | thank you all for the up front status updates... I like this format much better :) | 19:07 |
| devananda | JayF: woot! good stuff on the agent tests | 19:07 |
| devananda | JayF: need to discuss that bug at all today? | 19:07 |
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| JayF | devananda: if anything, wanna discuss making that job voting for IPA | 19:08 |
| JayF | devananda: even if we want to wait on Ironic due to the recheck bug | 19:08 |
| jroll | devananda: maybe we should let adam_g discuss that bug, I know he's been diving into it | 19:08 |
| jroll | if that bug is close, let's wait and just make it voting on both | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: yes I would like adam_g 's input there | 19:08 |
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| jroll | if we're still unsure, let's set to voting on just IPA for now | 19:09 |
| adam_g | yeah--ive been trying to get as much debug about the it as i can | 19:09 |
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| * jroll 2c | 19:09 | |
| adam_g | but its still a bit of a mystery | 19:09 |
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| adam_g | #link http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1393099 | 19:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1393099 in openstack-ci "test_baremetal_server_ops fails with timeout waiting for provision_state to change" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 19:09 |
| adam_g | once in a while, the VM node just fails to reach back to the hosts TFTP server, with a connection timed out error | 19:09 |
| devananda | JayF, jroll: even after chatting with clarkb last week, i'm still unclear on whether or not making that job voting on IPA is going to introduce it into the serialized gate | 19:10 |
| adam_g | ive had the test running in two places in a tight loop hoping to catch it but haven't | 19:10 |
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| jroll | devananda: I don't know enough about the "serialized gate" to understand that | 19:10 |
| devananda | but, one way to find out is just to do it, see, and if we were wrong (and it did) then back it out right away | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | think of jobs as being transitive for generating the list of projects that are cogated | 19:10 |
| JayF | devananda: making that job voting on *IPA* won't, making that job voting on *Ironic* will | 19:10 |
| JayF | devananda: was what I thought clarkb was saying | 19:11 |
| jroll | adam_g: it fails to connect at all, yes? not that it fails to get the whole image there? | 19:11 |
| clarkb | so if nova runs jobs A and B, ironic runs jobs B and C, and IPA runs C then they are all in the same gate pipeline | 19:11 |
| jroll | (wondering if using ipxe would help at all) | 19:11 |
| adam_g | jroll, right | 19:11 |
| devananda | clarkb: and if IPA runs jobs C and D -- does D have the ability to affect Nova? | 19:11 |
| clarkb | devananda: if there is a transitive path to nova yes | 19:12 |
| devananda | right | 19:12 |
| clarkb | eg D to C to B | 19:12 |
| devananda | so that's my concern | 19:12 |
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| devananda | instability in this test, even if it only runs on changes to IPA, will transitively affect changes in Nova | 19:12 |
| jroll | clarkb: ironic runs agent_ssh-nv, IPA runs agent_ssh-src-nv, would that be a valid path or considered two different jobs? (I think -src is just a parameter to agent-ssh) | 19:12 |
| devananda | not because it runs against them | 19:12 |
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| clarkb | its name based so those are distinct | 19:12 |
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| devananda | but because it would have the potential to reset the job queue for a Nova change | 19:12 |
| jroll | ok, so we should be fine then, I would think | 19:13 |
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| jroll | it's not a direct path at that point | 19:13 |
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| devananda | eg, if the zuul job queue is (IPA patch) -> (Nova patch) and that test failure causes the IPA patch to get kicked out, it resets the jobs on the Nova patch too | 19:13 |
| devananda | clarkb: is that accurate? | 19:14 |
| clarkb | devananda: yes | 19:14 |
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| devananda | yay! | 19:14 |
| JayF | So that won't be true in the case of IPA/Ironic though | 19:14 |
| JayF | because as jroll pointed out, the jobs have different names | 19:14 |
| JayF | and slightly different characteristics which prevent that from happening (IPA job builds from src, and is named as such, Ironic job pulls from tarballs.o.o) | 19:15 |
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| devananda | ah, ok. | 19:15 |
| devananda | if there is no job overlap between ironic and IPA at all -- then yes, it's fine | 19:15 |
| devananda | but that is not my understanding | 19:15 |
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| devananda | there are /some/ jobs that run on both ironic and ipa changes and /some/ that run on only one. thus, there is still a transitive dependency | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | (we are over our 10 minute cap) | 19:16 |
| JayF | I don't believe that's true ^ | 19:16 |
| jroll | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131632/ | 19:16 |
| jroll | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132746/ | 19:16 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: thanks for the time check | 19:16 |
| jroll | I don't see any name overlap | 19:16 |
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| JayF | jroll: evidence++ | 19:16 |
| jroll | *exact* name overlap, that is | 19:16 |
| devananda | let's come back to that after the meeting | 19:17 |
| devananda | I want to check the current jobs, not just the proposed ones | 19:17 |
| jroll | ok | 19:17 |
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| devananda | I don't see lucas online today? | 19:18 |
| devananda | is anyone else here who wants to lead the boot / deploy interface split discussion? | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | he is off, or at least said he maybe off today | 19:18 |
| devananda | #topic split the boot and deploy interfaces | 19:19 |
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| rloo | is there a spec for that? I looked but didn't see anything (obvious) | 19:19 |
| jroll | do we even want to talk about this without lucas? | 19:19 |
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| jroll | he's done the most research into it | 19:20 |
| rloo | +1 to skip then | 19:20 |
| devananda | I don't see any spec for it yet -- just checked again | 19:20 |
| devananda | #info deferring this discussion since the lead is absent, and there doesn't appear to be a spec | 19:20 |
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| NobodyCam | ya I was just looking for that | 19:21 |
| devananda | #topic vote on the bear's name | 19:21 |
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| NobodyCam | oh hi | 19:21 |
| devananda | another topic started by lucas, but I think NobodyCam wants to lead :) | 19:21 |
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| NobodyCam | I added a list of the votes to the bottom of the whiteboard | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | that cam thru the ML | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | s/cam/came/ | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | not sure how the best way to vote on the name | 19:22 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: can you give a little background for folks that might have missed the email? | 19:22 |
| rloo | I am not sure that the meeting is a good place to vote. Not everyone can attend this meeting. | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | sure | 19:22 |
| rloo | although what's a meeting for, if you can't vote there... | 19:23 |
| devananda | I can start a vote here | 19:23 |
| devananda | with the names as options. everyone gets one vote | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | lucas created a mascot for Ironic and we have been adding potitional name to the whiteboard | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | Lucas started a ML thread about selecting a name | 19:23 |
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| NobodyCam | the results from the ML thread are on the whiteboard around line 179 | 19:24 |
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| devananda | let's not spend a lot of time on this today ... | 19:25 |
| devananda | I'm fine with voting by mail | 19:25 |
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| devananda | (says the guy who hasn't voted on that thread yet) | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | I am good with that :) | 19:25 |
| devananda | #info If you want to vote on the mascot's name, please reply to the mailing list thread | 19:26 |
| JayF | devananda: not voting on the thread could mean you are worrying about more important things than bear names ... like bare metal | 19:26 |
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| rloo | I think lucas wanted to pick the top 5 of the suggestions, and have folks vote on those. but he isn't here, so I say let's let him deal with it ;) | 19:26 |
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| NobodyCam | just a quick posting of the current top picks: | 19:26 |
| devananda | JayF: possibly ... | 19:26 |
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| NobodyCam | Bearthoven 5 | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | Blaze Bearly 4 | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | Ursus 2 | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | Pixie 2 | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | Pixie Boots 2 | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | Ironica 2 | 19:26 |
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| devananda | capping this to one more minute | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | (sorry for large paste) | 19:26 |
| * NobodyCam is done | 19:26 | |
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| devananda | ok, moving on now :) | 19:27 |
| devananda | #topic IRC meeting times | 19:27 |
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| devananda | this came up at the summit | 19:27 |
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| devananda | which is another place that, unfortunately, not everyone could be | 19:27 |
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| devananda | at the last meeting, we discussed some time slot options | 19:28 |
| devananda | and I followed up with an email to the list with two proposals | 19:28 |
| devananda | I've tallied the replies here: http://paste.openstack.org/show/jjharvUG2JGpUVoyZq9F/ | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | I believe I liked #2 but cann't lay my hands on hte archive like | 19:29 |
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| mrda | (Unfortunately people started voting on the mailing list, when it was really a call to veto, IIRC) | 19:29 |
| JayF | devananda: I did not +1 option #1 | 19:29 |
| JayF | devananda: I only +'d option #2 | 19:29 |
| devananda | JayF: oh - apologies. I must have misread your reply :( | 19:30 |
| devananda | mrda: I did actually ask folks to reply to the thread with a vote | 19:30 |
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| devananda | mrda: since the point is to not expect everyone to make the current meeting time, it seemed contradictory to expect folks to show up here and vote :) | 19:30 |
| Shrews | devananda: no vote meant "fine with either", correct? | 19:30 |
| mrda | If you don't mind the quote: | 19:30 |
| JayF | aiui; it was vote if you could / would attend both times, don't vote if you could attend one in either proposal | 19:30 |
| mrda | Please respond with a "-1" vote to an option if that option would cause you to miss ALL meetings, or a "+1" vote if you can magically attend ALL the meetings. If you can attend, without significant disruption, at least one of the time slots in a proposal, please do not vote either for or against it | 19:30 |
| JayF | and minus-vote if you couldn't attend any of them | 19:30 |
| devananda | correct | 19:30 |
| devananda | I received no "-1" votes at all | 19:31 |
| jroll | looks like #2 is the winner, then? | 19:31 |
| devananda | which means that both options can accomodate everyone attending at least one half the meetings | 19:31 |
| devananda | and more + votes on option #2 | 19:31 |
| devananda | if anyone has objections, please raise them now | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | will any required room changes be posted to the aganda wiki? | 19:32 |
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| devananda | otherwise I'll go ahead with arranging a meeting time change based on Option #2, update the appropraite wiki's and calendars, and send out an announcement later today | 19:32 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: yes | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:32 |
| rloo | for the 'record', what is option 2 and yay, a decision was made! | 19:32 |
| devananda | #info Option #2: alternate between Monday 1700 UTC && Tuesday 0500 UTC | 19:32 |
| mrda | Actually, my preference is to leave things how they are, but I am happy with group consensus :) | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | 1700: and 0500 alternating weeks | 19:33 |
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| naohirot | devananda: when do we start the new meeting time? | 19:34 |
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| naohirot | devananda: from next week? | 19:34 |
| devananda | naohirot: I will announce all that on the mailing list after this meeting | 19:34 |
| devananda | once I've updated the calendars | 19:35 |
| naohirot | devananda: ok | 19:35 |
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| devananda | that's it for our agenda! phew! | 19:35 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:35 |
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| jroll | I like this new format :) | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | http://animals.howstuffworks.com/mammals/zebra-stripes.htm | 19:36 |
| JayF | I have a small devstack change up which should help with diagnosing IPA test failures, if anyone wants to have a look: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136867 :) | 19:36 |
| devananda | I'd like to bring up the midcycle meeting timing | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 19:36 |
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| devananda | (didn't add it to the agenda last week, since I was still checking with folks internally) | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | thats what open discussion is for | 19:37 |
| yjiang5 | devananda: where will the midcycle meeting held? | 19:37 |
| devananda | I have a solid offer from HP to host it in Grenoble | 19:37 |
| mrda | devananda: and do you have firn dates? | 19:37 |
| mrda | s/firn/firm/ | 19:37 |
| devananda | either the week of Jan 27 - 30, or the week of Feb 3 - 6 | 19:38 |
| devananda | both are possible for the host | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | we are going to attempt to setup video / audio for those folks who can not make it in person? | 19:38 |
| jroll | I'm open to either afaik | 19:38 |
| naohirot | NobodyCam: that's nice :-) | 19:38 |
| jroll | (not sure yet if I can attend in person) | 19:39 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I'd like us to make a much stronger effort for that than we have in the past, but I think we need to know in advance who will be attending remotely | 19:39 |
| * JayF would not attend either set of dates, but would love to attend emotely | 19:39 | |
| JayF | *remotely | 19:39 |
| jroll | I like emotely, use all the emotes :D \o/ :P | 19:39 |
| wanyen | I will attend remotely if it can be arranged | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | worth a section on the whiteboard? | 19:39 |
| jroll | yes | 19:39 |
| * mrda probably couldn't make the early set of dates | 19:39 | |
| jroll | we should probably mail the list and get a feel for who could/would come | 19:40 |
| * devananda arranges an informal poll | 19:40 | |
| devananda | http://doodle.com/4dkpqxr235m35rbt <<< poll! | 19:40 |
| devananda | (does that link work?) | 19:40 |
| mrda | yup :) | 19:40 |
| devananda | great | 19:40 |
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| devananda | also, fwiw, I chose those dates because they coincide with kilo-2 milestone | 19:41 |
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| NobodyCam | quickly added to whiteboard | 19:41 |
| devananda | much later in the cycle than that (like, too close to feature freeze) seems like it would be more challenging | 19:41 |
| devananda | to get any code done | 19:41 |
| rloo | kilo-2 milestone is week of Feb 5 | 19:42 |
| devananda | yup | 19:42 |
| devananda | those dates also coincide with FOSDEM | 19:43 |
| devananda | ok, i'll email the ML with that info | 19:43 |
| rloo | and those dates happen to be 'mid cycle' :-) | 19:44 |
| devananda | any other topics? | 19:44 |
| mrda | coincidence! :) | 19:44 |
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| rloo | devananda: do/will we have dates wrt specs? | 19:45 |
| devananda | rloo: as in spec freeze, etc? | 19:45 |
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| rloo | yup | 19:45 |
| devananda | rloo: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | if we have time I'd love to hear what the thoughts are about the new state machine spce | 19:45 |
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| rloo | devananda: thx. the 'feature*' dates then. | 19:45 |
| devananda | I've been doing a lot of spec reviews last week (like, hardly anything else) | 19:46 |
| devananda | and jsut have to say, there are a lot of really good specs up there! | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | yes! | 19:46 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I think we're waiting for victor to post a new revision? | 19:46 |
| mrda | ...so we might just have a lot of really good code to review this cycle :P | 19:47 |
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| NobodyCam | should have one soonish according to his reply to my just before meeting ping :) | 19:47 |
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| devananda | well, if there's nothing else to discuss here, let's wrap up early :) | 19:49 |
| devananda | thanks everyone! | 19:49 |
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| NobodyCam | w00t ' | 19:49 |
| mrda | thanks devananda | 19:49 |
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| NobodyCam | great meeting | 19:49 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 19:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 24 19:49:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-11-24-19.01.html | 19:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-11-24-19.01.txt | 19:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-11-24-19.01.log.html | 19:49 |
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| yjiang5 | exit | 19:50 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 24 20:00:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 20:00 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 20:00 | |
| sdake | hi folks \o/ ! | 20:00 |
| rhallisey | hi | 20:00 |
| daneyon | here | 20:00 |
| jpeeler | hey | 20:00 |
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| sdake | larsks around? | 20:00 |
| larsks | Yup! | 20:01 |
| sdake | cool | 20:01 |
| sdake | #topic milestone #2 - release today | 20:01 |
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| sdake | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/milestone-2 | 20:01 |
| sdake | looking over that list, we hve 2 in code review, 2 not started, 1 nearing code review | 20:01 |
| sdake | kube-trove-container will that make milestone #2? | 20:02 |
| sdake | I wseem to recall rhallisey indicating it was busted upstream | 20:02 |
| rhallisey | sdake, ya | 20:02 |
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| sdake | ya its busted or ya i twill make i t? :) | 20:02 |
| rhallisey | it's busted | 20:02 |
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| daneyon | what is busted? | 20:02 |
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| rhallisey | I talked to the guy who is writing a plugin for packstack | 20:03 |
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| rhallisey | he is hardly able to deploy | 20:03 |
| larsks | rhallisey: a plugin for packstack to do what? | 20:03 |
| rhallisey | mostly because it is in a bad state | 20:03 |
| larsks | for trove? | 20:03 |
| sdake | i think in this case we should trust but verify - eg in the next cycle milestone #3, try to write our own version | 20:04 |
| rhallisey | for trove | 20:04 |
| larsks | got it. | 20:04 |
| rhallisey | sorry | 20:04 |
| sdake | maybe it doesn't work well for packstack but would work well for kolla | 20:04 |
| sdake | sounds good rhallisey? I have pushed it to milestone #3 then | 20:04 |
| rhallisey | it's not that packstack/puppet is the problem | 20:04 |
| rhallisey | he was saying that there was no one working on it | 20:04 |
| sdake | trove has no upstream? | 20:05 |
| rhallisey | and he was hitting bugs from trove every step of the way | 20:05 |
| rhallisey | sdake, I believe it does, but I think the participation is lacking | 20:05 |
| sdake | ok well thats a bit of a problem for openstack in general | 20:05 |
| sdake | lets do this | 20:05 |
| sdake | lets try to make it work for milestone #3 | 20:05 |
| sdake | if it doesn't work | 20:05 |
| rhallisey | sdake, sure | 20:05 |
| sdake | lets blast the ML with the problems | 20:05 |
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| sdake | along with bug reports | 20:06 |
| sdake | can't expect the trove upstream to mindread their way into fixing t he bugs without being told what they are :) | 20:06 |
| sdake | neutron - daneyon I saw your patch, but it needs a rebase | 20:06 |
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| rhallisey | sdake, agreed :) | 20:06 |
| daneyon | sdake: correct. I need to rebase neutron and nova-network patches. i will do that later today. | 20:06 |
| sdake | cool | 20:07 |
| rhallisey | I also need to rebase | 20:07 |
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| daneyon | larsks: both patches require the heat-kube PR i submitted. | 20:07 |
| sdake | horizon is in "needs code review" but I didn't see the patch in the review queue | 20:07 |
| larsks | sdake: I got nothin'. I'm not sure why the bp has that status. | 20:07 |
| daneyon | larsks: let me know if you need me to make any changes to the kube-heat PR to get it accpeted. | 20:07 |
| larsks | daneyon: i will try to revisit that today. i've been focused on non-kolla things for the past week. | 20:07 |
| rhallisey | sdake, 'Horizon container implementation' | 20:07 |
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| larsks | daneyon: sorry! | 20:07 |
| rhallisey | sdake, not there for you? | 20:08 |
| daneyon | larsks: no worries at all. i know the feeling. | 20:08 |
| sdake | rhallisey do you ahve a link? | 20:08 |
| rhallisey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135773/ | 20:08 |
| sdake | cool that leaves swift and sahara | 20:08 |
| sdake | sahara should be done today | 20:08 |
| sdake | i've also been locked into working on magnum for the last week to get things rolling there | 20:08 |
| sdake | so haven't spent much time on containrizations :) | 20:09 |
| rhallisey | nice | 20:09 |
| sdake | cool thing about a magnum implementation is then we have an easy pat hto tripelo integration | 20:09 |
| sdake | so given that we are all in the "need couiple more days to finish" | 20:09 |
| daneyon | all, it may be a good idea for others to review my hat-kube PR and provide feedback or just be aware of the changes #link https://github.com/larsks/heat-kubernetes/pull/8 | 20:09 |
| sdake | and thanksgiving is thursday/friday | 20:09 |
| sdake | should we jsut shoot for wednesday for a release? | 20:09 |
| sdake | wed Nev 26th | 20:10 |
| sdake | that provides 2 days | 20:10 |
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| sdake | to sort out the pR,s rebases, etc | 20:10 |
| daneyon | +1 | 20:10 |
| rhallisey | sounds good | 20:10 |
| * larsks abstains | 20:10 | |
| sdake | cool | 20:11 |
| sdake | larsks can you sort ou tt hat PR for daneyon by then? | 20:11 |
| sdake | I think he is blocked on that | 20:11 |
| daneyon | or does a release just before the break loose its wow factor??? | 20:11 |
| larsks | See my comment above @ 15:07:51 | 20:11 |
| larsks | I think with the break nobody is going to be looking at a new release... | 20:11 |
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| jpeeler | yeah agreed on waiting until after the break | 20:12 |
| sdake | Dec 2nd it is then | 20:12 |
| rhallisey | that's true | 20:12 |
| daneyon | then that gives us the whole break to do more work... not. | 20:12 |
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| sdake | I'd just like to get what is in the blueprint queue done by edec 2 ;) | 20:12 |
| daneyon | agreed | 20:12 |
| sdake | #topic open items | 20:13 |
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| sdake | so normally I'd discuss milestone #3 | 20:13 |
| sdake | but lets wait until our next meeting to see where that stands | 20:13 |
| sdake | given that christmas is coming up | 20:13 |
| sdake | anjd the new year | 20:13 |
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| sdake | i think dec will be a pretty light month for us | 20:13 |
| sdake | downside of starting a project in november :) | 20:13 |
| sdake | normally IS tart in april, but it had to be done when it had to be done :) | 20:13 |
| sdake | any open discussion folks woould like to have? | 20:14 |
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| daneyon | nope, lets just get ML2 knocked out. | 20:14 |
| larsks | I have one item... | 20:14 |
| sdake | larsks is on deck fire away | 20:14 |
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| larsks | The "flannel" project now has a vxlan backend. I want to look at that as a replacement for my own hacked up thing in the heat templates. | 20:15 |
| larsks | Not directly kolla related, I guess, but I wanted to mention it. | 20:15 |
| sdake | cool | 20:15 |
| larsks | It looks like the atomic folks are going to go with flannel, too. | 20:15 |
| sdake | sounds handy | 20:15 |
| larsks | (For kubernetes networking) | 20:16 |
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| daneyon | then i also need to make sure the docker-spotter stuff used for multi-interface networking works w/flannel too. | 20:16 |
| larsks | daneyon: I will ping you before I move anything into master. | 20:17 |
| sdake | sounds like flannel might be a solid bp for milestone #3 | 20:17 |
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| daneyon | larsks: i assume flannel does not have a docker multi-interface solution. Do you know??? | 20:17 |
| sdake | larsks if you are upt o it, might consider filing a blueprint against m3 for it so folks know who is doing what | 20:17 |
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| larsks | daneyon: no, it does effectively the same thing I was doing with linkmanager | 20:18 |
| larsks | (but using the kernel vxlan module rather than OVS) | 20:18 |
| larsks | sdake: I will do that. | 20:18 |
| sdake | thanks larsks | 20:18 |
| daneyon | +1 for using kernel over OVS | 20:18 |
| daneyon | larsks: wouldn't it be easy to mod linkmanager to do the same though? | 20:19 |
| larsks | daneyon: well, maybe, but I would rather use a project like flannel with actual maintainers and use beyond our little corner of the woods... | 20:19 |
| daneyon | +1 to that | 20:19 |
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| daneyon | what about trying to get a better solution in k8s? | 20:20 |
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| daneyon | any discussion about using linkmanager as a basis for multi-host networking in k8s? | 20:20 |
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| daneyon | it seems linkmanager is very much inline with the k8s vxlan stuff. | 20:21 |
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| larsks | daneyon: I'm not sure that linkmanager is really any different from flannel in terms of functionality (other than being less well written). | 20:21 |
| daneyon | #link https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/kubernetes/blob/master/docs/ovs-networking.md | 20:22 |
| larsks | Hold on, let me find a docker issue that is interesting to this... | 20:22 |
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| larsks | Okay: | 20:22 |
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| larsks | Read through this to see where docker is thinking of going in terms of more flexible networking support... | 20:22 |
| larsks | https://github.com/docker/docker/pull/8216 | 20:22 |
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| larsks | I will bet that any kube changes are going to wait on that. | 20:23 |
| larsks | ("That" meaning "the whole question of docker networking getting resolved"). | 20:23 |
| larsks | #link https://github.com/docker/docker/pull/8216 | 20:23 |
| larsks | There. | 20:23 |
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| daneyon | i'm all over the different docker proposals for networking that have surfaced over the last 2 weeks, including the one you mention. it appears the 8216 pull is hitting a dead end with shykes. | 20:23 |
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| larsks | daneyon: Right. But the discussion there re: the future of networking (e.g., the use of docker plugins) is I think the relevant part. | 20:24 |
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| larsks | The vxlan link @ https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/kubernetes/blob/master/docs/ovs-networking.md is pretty much what I used as a reference when writing linkmanager :) | 20:24 |
| daneyon | docker is getting ready to make some changes to networking using a plugin model and possible add default networking using OVS or kernel vxlan + add'l tools | 20:25 |
| larsks | That's what the vagrant setup does...but using flannel gets you to approximately the same place, other than the kernel/ovs difference. | 20:25 |
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| daneyon | with all that is going on with docker networking, what is the k8s team doing? It would be good for them to incorporate something like linkmanager. | 20:26 |
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| larsks | I don't know. The k8s upstream folks seem focused largely on integration with GCE, in which these solutions are not necessary. But I have not followed any upstream discussions around this point... | 20:26 |
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| daneyon | since k8s is a big part of what we're doing (at least for the time being, I just want to make sure what ever networking change we decide is consistent with the direction of the k8s project. | 20:27 |
| sdake | daneyon that makes sense | 20:27 |
| sdake | on that ponit and magnum, it apperas magnum may end up being a wrapper around k8s | 20:27 |
| larsks | sdake: \o/ | 20:28 |
| sdake | so what is good for k8s is good for magnum from what I can tell | 20:28 |
| daneyon | i would like to see step 1 that we create a proposal PR with the k8s repo. | 20:28 |
| daneyon | that suggests using a tool (either flannel or a form of linkmanager) to support their ovs/vxlan networking use case. | 20:28 |
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| larsks | daneyon: not linkmanager. | 20:29 |
| larsks | daneyon: no no no no | 20:29 |
| daneyon | I think it's important that we have an open discussion with the k8s team to understand where k8s networking is going. | 20:29 |
| larsks | :) | 20:29 |
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| daneyon | I'm fine with going flannel, just want to avoid making another change in direction in weeks or months if the k8s team is headed in a diff direction. | 20:30 |
| sdake | open discussion | 20:30 |
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| daneyon | haha | 20:30 |
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| daneyon | does it make sense to open a proposal PR with k8s team similar to the model Docker has created? | 20:31 |
| larsks | daneyon: similar to which model? | 20:31 |
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| daneyon | let me find the link, but Docker has started to put together some steps for submitting proposals to the docker project. | 20:31 |
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| daneyon | this allows us to create a PR with the title Proposal: XYZ Networking and our ideas to expand multi-host k8s networking using flannel. If they disagree, then it gives us an indication that they are headed in a diff direction. | 20:33 |
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| daneyon | docker proposal #link https://github.com/docker/docker/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#design-and-cleanup-proposals | 20:33 |
| larsks | daneyon: I think that is in general a good idea, but I guess I would start just by asking on the mailing list if there are already existing plans in that direction. | 20:34 |
| daneyon | sounds like a good first step. do you want me to do that or you? | 20:35 |
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| * sdake votes daneyon as the sacrifial lamb since your the networking guru here :) | 20:36 | |
| larsks | I don't have a strong preference...how about you do it, and I will comment. | 20:36 |
| sdake | you can actually have a conversation back and forth :) | 20:36 |
| daneyon | will do | 20:36 |
| larsks | daneyon: Cc: me on the post... | 20:37 |
| daneyon | will do | 20:37 |
| sdake | cool well I thin kwe bea tthe networking future into the ground, is there any other open topics folks would like to discuss? | 20:37 |
| larsks | I'm all out. | 20:37 |
| daneyon | are you ok if i ask the question on the google-containers irc channel? | 20:38 |
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| sdake | \wfm | 20:38 |
| sdake | irc is good too | 20:39 |
| larsks | daneyon: I would slightly prefer the ml, if they have one. | 20:39 |
| sdake | ya ml is good - but they use google groups iirc | 20:39 |
| larsks | Eh, whatever. Ask on IRC :) | 20:39 |
| daneyon | OK, I'll start there. | 20:39 |
| daneyon | IRC | 20:39 |
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| sdake | cool any o ther open topics? | 20:40 |
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| sdake | if not, i'll end the meeting in 60 seconds :) | 20:40 |
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| sdake | #endmeeting | 20:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:40 | |
| sdake | thanks folks | 20:40 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 24 20:40:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2014/kolla.2014-11-24-20.00.html | 20:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2014/kolla.2014-11-24-20.00.txt | 20:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2014/kolla.2014-11-24-20.00.log.html | 20:40 |
| rhallisey | thanks | 20:41 |
| daneyon | bye! | 20:41 |
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| larsks | see y'all | 20:41 |
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| mestery | hihi | 20:58 |
| ChuckC | o/ | 20:58 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 20:59 |
| dougwig | hiya | 20:59 |
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| marios_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| sweston | o/ | 21:00 |
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| russellb | o/ | 21:00 |
| mestery | sweston: Hey there man, long time no see. ;) | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:00 |
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| salv-mobile | Aloha | 21:00 |
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| sweston | mestery: yes :-) finally done with my hardware design. Now I can contribute to Neutron again .. Yay!! | 21:00 |
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| mestery | sweston: Yay indeed! ;) | 21:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 21:01 |
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| sweston | mestery: :-D | 21:01 |
| amotoki | hi | 21:01 |
| mlavalle | hi | 21:01 |
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| nati_ueno | hi | 21:02 |
| mestery | armax garyk SumitNaiksatam nati_ueno carl_baldwin emagana: ping | 21:02 |
| emagana | hi there! | 21:02 |
| armax | mestery: hi | 21:02 |
| nati_ueno | pong | 21:02 |
| beagles | o/ | 21:02 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 24 21:02:40 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:02 | |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: pong | 21:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi all! | 21:02 |
| mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:02 | |
| mestery | I'll reiterate the Kilo Schedule to folks this week once again: | 21:03 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 21:03 |
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| mestery | #info Kilo-1 date is 12-18-2014 | 21:03 |
| mestery | We're still a few weeks away from that, but it will come faster than you think :) | 21:03 |
| lukasa_home | Hi all. =) | 21:03 |
| mestery | I also wanted to highlight the following spec review | 21:03 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136514/ | 21:03 |
| mestery | The purpose is to codify in the repository the priorities for Kilo in Neutron | 21:04 |
| mestery | Rather than a wiki, following what nova is doing and putting it in the specs repository seemed like a good idea. | 21:04 |
| mestery | One more spec announcement for everyone | 21:04 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136823/ | 21:04 |
| mestery | That review adds an "IPv6 Impact" section to the template, so any in-flight specs will need to be respun to add that. | 21:04 |
| mestery | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136823/ adds "IPv6 Impact" section, requiring a re-spin of in-flight specs | 21:05 |
| mestery | Any questions on the spec updates? | 21:05 |
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| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:06 |
| enikanorov | mestery: please shift bugs to the end of the meeting | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:06 | |
| mestery | enikanorov: Ha! :) | 21:06 |
| mestery | OK, will do sir. | 21:06 |
| mestery | #undo | 21:06 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x1f11f90> | 21:06 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:06 | |
| enikanorov | thanks, for some reason i thought the meeting 1 hour later | 21:06 |
| mestery | emagana: You're up early today sir :) | 21:06 |
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| mestery | enikanorov: Happens to the best of us :) | 21:06 |
| emagana | mestery: Nice! | 21:06 |
| emagana | Last friday we have the networking guide meeting | 21:07 |
| emagana | The most important is the agreement on pushing all DVR and L3 HA documentation | 21:07 |
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| mestery | emagana: Pushing, as in merging, or pushing as in doing it later? | 21:07 |
| emagana | The expect deadline for that the networking will be January, 30 2014 | 21:08 |
| emagana | sorry, pushing as in merging | 21:08 |
| emagana | :-) | 21:08 |
| mestery | #info Networking Guide deadline is 1-30-2015 | 21:08 |
| mestery | emagana: thanks for clarifying | 21:08 |
| emagana | but those features will be explain as new functionality not ready for production | 21:08 |
| mestery | emagana: Have you pulled in carl_baldwin and armax for the DVR work, and amuller for L3 HA? | 21:08 |
| emagana | I told the Docs guys that we should change that as soon as we have Kilo out of the door ;-) | 21:09 |
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| mestery | emagana: Makes sense | 21:09 |
| emagana | Admin guide will be fixed once we complete the networking one | 21:09 |
| emagana | (a bunch of copy & paste) | 21:10 |
| armax | emagana, mestery: there’s quite a bit of material already | 21:10 |
| armax | it just needs to be put together | 21:10 |
| mestery | armax: Most of thati s on the wikis, right? | 21:10 |
| emagana | armax: I do agree! | 21:10 |
| armax | mestery: correct | 21:10 |
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| emagana | swami and vinod are helping on the DVR staff | 21:10 |
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| mestery | #info DVR sections of the Networking Guide can be pulled from the DVR wiki pages | 21:11 |
| mestery | emagana: Excellent! | 21:11 |
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| emagana | I haven't reviewed and updated the bug list in our wiki but I will do this week | 21:11 |
| mestery | emagana: Excellent! | 21:11 |
| mestery | #action emagana to update bug list for docs on the meeting wiki page | 21:12 |
| emagana | nothing else in the top of my mind | 21:12 |
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| mestery | Thank you for the update emagana. | 21:12 |
| mestery | Any questions around docs from anyone? | 21:12 |
| emagana | If someone wants to attend the networking guide meeting just let me know, we want to keep the team small but we can welcome more hands | 21:12 |
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| mestery | #info Anyone interested in attending Networking Guide meeting, reach out to emagana | 21:13 |
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| swami | hope i have already mentioned my interest in reviewing the network guide | 21:13 |
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| emagana | swami: you will be added in the review list ;-) | 21:14 |
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| swami | emagana: thanks | 21:14 |
| mestery | Thanks for the update emagana! | 21:14 |
| mestery | #topic Services Split Update | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Services Split Update (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:15 | |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/136835 | 21:15 |
| mestery | Thanks to dougwig, we have a spec proposed now! | 21:15 |
| mestery | Thanks dougwig! | 21:15 |
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| markmcclain | awesome | 21:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | dougwig: nice! | 21:15 |
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| mestery | You want to double layer when services are involved dougwig. :) | 21:16 |
| dougwig | lol | 21:16 |
| mestery | So, I encourage reviews by folks on this one. | 21:16 |
| mestery | markmcclain: This is on the TC agenda, though the consensus from ttx and russellb at least was support for this move on the ML. | 21:16 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. I think at this point it is up to us to figure out the repo re-org plan | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | and then execute and update the metadata | 21:17 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Ack | 21:17 |
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| mestery | #topic Sub Team Charters | 21:18 |
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| mestery | So, per the meeting last week, I've written a wiki page on this: | 21:18 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronSubteamCharters | 21:18 |
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| mestery | Thanks to dougwig for updating hte LBaaS one in there already. | 21:19 |
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| mestery | #info Sub-teams to add their Kilo charter on the sub-team charter page. | 21:19 |
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| mestery | Any questions? | 21:20 |
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| markmcclain | I think this is a good step to help focus us and better explain to entire community what we're working on | 21:20 |
| rkukura | When are these due? | 21:20 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Good question, I know it's a holiday week in the US, but ideally by next week if that's possible. | 21:21 |
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| mestery | #info Sub-teams to fill in their charters by next week's Neutron meeting | 21:21 |
| rkukura | mestery: Thanks | 21:22 |
| mestery | rkukura: yw | 21:22 |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:22 | |
| mestery | enikanorov: You're on now. :) | 21:22 |
| enikanorov | ok | 21:22 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Also, thank you for running hte bug day last week! | 21:22 |
| enikanorov | so we've had bug day on last Friday | 21:22 |
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| enikanorov | got some numbers decreased. also, it appears that most of the bugs of total 1100 are of low importance | 21:23 |
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| enikanorov | i just didn't get there to look through them, i think we could get rid of much more and reduce those bug count even more | 21:24 |
| enikanorov | anyway | 21:24 |
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| enikanorov | there is a few issues that worth attention | 21:24 |
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| enikanorov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1359523 | 21:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1359523 in neutron "Security group rules errorneously applied to all ports having same ip addresses in different networks" [High,In progress] | 21:24 |
| enikanorov | that one has a patch that introduces conntrack zones | 21:24 |
| enikanorov | i believe salv-orlando or salv-mobile has suggested to file a spec and then fix it | 21:25 |
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| salv-orlando | the thing is that if you add conntrack support it’s not really just a bug fix | 21:26 |
| salv-orlando | is it? | 21:26 |
| enikanorov | i'm just afraid the person working on the issue will not be following that process. so we might need someone else to do that | 21:26 |
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| enikanorov | salv-orlando: we already have conntrack support | 21:26 |
| enikanorov | we add zones and net-to-zone mapping | 21:26 |
| enikanorov | which is kind of similar to local vlan mapping | 21:26 |
| salv-orlando | enikanorov: sorry, conntrack zones. Talking about pedantry... | 21:26 |
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| salv-orlando | anyway, if you think we don’t need a spec because it’s something rather simple anybody will understand that’s fine for me. | 21:27 |
| mestery | I havne't reviewed the bug, but I'd tend to agree with salv-orlando's assessment here. | 21:27 |
| salv-orlando | I am dumb and I would like to see how these zones work. | 21:27 |
| enikanorov | I mean that the issue is severe. Basically it means that network isolation is fundamentally broken, would you agree? | 21:28 |
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| salv-orlando | said that, either you give me a spec or give me directly the patch, i’m fine either way. But it won’t be fair to the people that have written spec for more trivial piece of work | 21:28 |
| armax | I think we’re splitting hair | 21:28 |
| enikanorov | salv-orlando: well, it just may be that we don't need to demand specs for trivial work? :) | 21:28 |
| salv-orlando | enikanorov: is there a patch ready? | 21:29 |
| marios_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118274/ | 21:29 |
| enikanorov | I'm fine having a spec for anything, I'm just afraid that we will loose volutneer that submitted a patch | 21:29 |
| enikanorov | salv-orlando: yes | 21:29 |
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| enikanorov | marios_: thanks | 21:29 |
| marios_ | np | 21:29 |
| armax | enikanorov: my fear is that having double standars sends the wrong message | 21:30 |
| salv-orlando | enikanorov: pyeah I even reviewed that | 21:30 |
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| armax | someone else more eager to participate can always take over | 21:31 |
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| enikanorov | armax: agree | 21:31 |
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| enikanorov | but I also don't like this road of 'someone else more eager' | 21:31 |
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| armax | so let’s determine if a spec is really appropriate for that work | 21:31 |
| enikanorov | especially after going over 200 bugs | 21:31 |
| mestery | armax: ++ | 21:31 |
| armax | if it isn’t fine, if it is, I wouldn’t worry about losing the volunteer | 21:31 |
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| enikanorov | well, in fact, fixing this is what matters, of course | 21:32 |
| armax | enikanorov: so volunteer? | 21:32 |
| armax | :) | 21:32 |
| enikanorov | ok, why not :) | 21:32 |
| armax | seriously though, I’d say let’s move on | 21:32 |
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| mestery | enikanorov: Any other bugs to highlight this week? | 21:33 |
| armax | we can take this offline | 21:33 |
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| enikanorov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1332450 | 21:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1332450 in neutron "br-tun lost ports/flows if openvswitch restart" [High,Confirmed] | 21:33 |
| otherwiseguy | I'm generally ok with fixing horribly broken security-related bugs without specs even if things are a little complicated. That is why we have leadership. To make calls on things that might be exceptions to more general rules. :) | 21:33 |
| enikanorov | quite old bug, still happens though | 21:33 |
| enikanorov | and i think it fits in general direction of this release cycle | 21:33 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Wasn't there a ML thread on this very topic recently? | 21:34 |
| enikanorov | yes, i think I saw something related. unfortunately there are too many threads nowadays | 21:35 |
| russellb | git diff | 21:35 |
| russellb | gah ... 2nd time i did that today. | 21:35 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Ack on that :) | 21:35 |
| mestery | enikanorov: I'll follow up on this one | 21:35 |
| mestery | russellb: :P | 21:35 |
| enikanorov | mestery: thanks | 21:35 |
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| dougwig | russellb: next time, i want to see a password | 21:35 |
| enikanorov | the rest of bugs remain the same from the last meeting | 21:36 |
| enikanorov | no new failures in the gates | 21:36 |
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| mestery | enikanorov: Thanks for the update! | 21:36 |
| russellb | dougwig: maybe that is my password ... cleverly disguised to look like a simple git command | 21:36 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:36 |
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| mestery | Anything else folks, or shall we close early and give everyone back 24 minutes or so? | 21:37 |
| enikanorov | mestery: may I borrow some time for the old topic of transaction isolation? | 21:37 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Absolutely! | 21:37 |
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| enikanorov | ok, so far we have a consensus on the fact that changing tx isolation level to READ COMMITTED makes retry logic work for mysql | 21:37 |
| enikanorov | so I'd like to ask cores opinion on moving to this isolation level project-wise | 21:38 |
| enikanorov | (given the fact that it is already a default level for postgres) | 21:38 |
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| dougwig | jaypipes had a pretty strong objection on the ML. | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | I think somebody pointed out this really is something that you want to control on a transaction bases | 21:39 |
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| enikanorov | dougwig: i believe he has agreed in the last emails | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | basis | 21:39 |
| jaypipes | dougwig: actually, my objection was rescinded :) | 21:39 |
| mestery | lol | 21:39 |
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| enikanorov | salv-orlando: no, the question is really to move to another level, not on ber tx basis | 21:39 |
| dougwig | ahh, ok. must be my dislike of nested transaction spaghetti had me tune out all but what i wanted. :) | 21:40 |
| jaypipes | dougwig: and I just noted that the implementation as proposed by enikanorov would be problematic because it would apparently affect the *next* DB transaction isolation level, not the current one. | 21:40 |
| enikanorov | jaypipes: that's true. | 21:40 |
| dougwig | right, that was my issue as well. the side effects. | 21:40 |
| enikanorov | but aside of that, i think we're in early release cycle now where we can test new isolation level for mysql | 21:40 |
| enikanorov | and move back if needed | 21:41 |
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| salv-orlando | if you globally move to read committed, than every trans behaviour changes - and you’ll read the values as being changed by other transactions. Generally this should not be a problem, but can we be sure of that? I think there might be a few transactions which depend on the assumption that the values they handle won’t change during the transaction | 21:41 |
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| enikanorov | especially given that the change is trivial | 21:41 |
| salv-orlando | but I am happy to experiment | 21:41 |
| enikanorov | salv-orlando: correct. | 21:41 |
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| enikanorov | fine then, let's experiment :) | 21:42 |
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| salv-orlando | jaypipes: what’s your opinion on read committed and tipical isolation as for ACID properties? | 21:43 |
| salv-orlando | I’m asking because they thought me in school that read committed is not real isolation for ACID transations.... | 21:43 |
| salv-orlando | but perhaps they thaught me wrong ;) | 21:44 |
| enikanorov | salv-orlando: that's also true | 21:44 |
| enikanorov | but | 21:44 |
| jaypipes | salv-orlando: it doesn't affect ACID properties other than the "I" in ACID, just what you can "see" within a transaction | 21:44 |
| carl_baldwin | Remember that just because Postgres does it, doesn’t mean we’ve given it enough testing already. Just saying. | 21:44 |
| jaypipes | salv-orlando: if you are wondering if it's dangerous or something, then the answer is no, it's not. | 21:44 |
| jaypipes | or at least, not in the way that enikanorov's proposed code is doing | 21:45 |
| salv-orlando | jaypipes: not dangerous. definetely not. It’s just that I usually design transactions with repeatable read isolation in mind… that’s it. | 21:45 |
| enikanorov | the general problem is brobably that HA and ACID can't be achieved simultaneuosly | 21:46 |
| armax | salv-orlando, jaypipes I would imagine that the application code need to make up for the fact that there’s been a change n isolation level, if stronger isolation is exceptionally required | 21:46 |
| salv-orlando | anyway, let’s put the code in operation, let’s spin it through the gate a few times, and see if there are unexpected surprises | 21:46 |
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| jaypipes | salv-orlando: nope, there's nothing wrong with enikanorov's approach. it's a good strategy. I tested it pretty thoroughly, and the retry loop works properly with READ COMMITTED mode, whereas the SELECT would return the same thing if REPEATABLE READ were used. | 21:46 |
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| jaypipes | armax: READ COMMITTED can be used for these situations where a retry loop was used to replace a SELECT FOR UPDATE ... UPDATE strategy in the previous code. | 21:47 |
| salv-orlando | jaypipes: indeed I am not worried at all about enikanorov’s code… but about all the other transactions which might not work with READ COMMITTED. On the other hand postgres has been actually already running these transactions in read committed mode, so we might be talking about a problem that does not exist | 21:48 |
| armax | jaypipes: makes sense | 21:48 |
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| jaypipes | salv-orlando: yeah, I think it's probably fine to make everything READ COMMITTED mode, to be honest. | 21:48 |
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| salv-orlando | jaypipes: If you think that, I am with you. | 21:49 |
| jaypipes | salv-orlando: since it's easier than trying to solve the long-running transaction change isolation level problem | 21:49 |
| * salv-orlando can relax because now has someone to blame | 21:49 | |
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| jaypipes | :) | 21:49 |
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| jaypipes | salv-orlando: good, relax. because I'm just about to push Review on your micro-versions bp. :) | 21:49 |
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| salv-orlando | jaypipes: my micro-version bp just pretty much says “sorry we can’t do micro versions for kilo" | 21:50 |
| salv-orlando | usually people write spec to justify what they want to do. I write specs for justifying why I won’t do something I am supposed to do | 21:51 |
| salv-orlando | the apotheosis of the procrastinator | 21:51 |
| jaypipes | hehe | 21:51 |
| enikanorov | at least you write specs! | 21:51 |
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| marios_ | (since we said we'd visit agent tech debt stuff here for now) just wanted to mention i made a start on the in-tree dhcp agent functional tests @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136834/1 EOF | 21:52 |
| mestery | marios_: Thanks for starting that! :) | 21:52 |
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| mestery | OK, thanks for dropping by today folks! | 21:52 |
| marios_ | mestery: thanks, grateful for reviews/sanity check - not sure if I've understood the mandate correctly ;) | 21:52 |
| mestery | For those in the US, enjoy Thanksgiving this week! | 21:53 |
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| mestery | marios_: lol :) | 21:53 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:53 |
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| dougwig | bye | 21:53 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 24 21:53:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-11-24-21.02.html | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-11-24-21.02.txt | 21:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-11-24-21.02.log.html | 21:53 |
| yamamoto | bye | 21:53 |
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| lukasa_home | Bye all. =) | 21:53 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuu | 21:53 |
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