Monday, 2014-12-29

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krtaylor#startmeeting third-party18:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Dec 29 18:01:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'third_party'18:01
krtayloranyone here for third-party-ci meeting?18:01
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ja_i yam18:01
krtaylorhi ja_18:01
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krtaylorthis ought to be interesting  :)18:01
krtaylormight be really short18:02
krtayloranyone else here?18:02
ja_usually people are ok with very short mtgs18:02
* krtaylor wouldn't mind a short meeting18:02
ja_I think the real key is to have everyone leave thinking that it was no longer than necessary, and useful while it lasted18:03
krtaylorwell, lets go through the motions, there may be lurkers that will jump in, I'll skip sections with nothing on the agenda18:03
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krtaylor#topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission18:04
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krtaylor#info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable.18:04
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krtaylorand the agenda:18:04
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krtaylornot much there18:05
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krtaylorok, we'll skip to program items18:05
krtaylor#topic OpenStack Program items18:05
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krtaylorquick mention for the third-party CI documentation WG forming, that will get going next week18:06
krtaylorand also the monitoring dashboard spec:18:07
krtaylorand finally meeting times - I'll close out the vote today and email the results18:07
krtaylormentoring times will not change18:07
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krtaylorwork group time will move to  Wednesday starting next week18:08
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ja_which list are you emailing to?  iirc last time there was a hanging question wrt -dev vs not18:08
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krtaylorlooks like 1500 UTC and 0400 UTC is going to win18:08
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krtaylorI'll prob hit both, and be sorry for the spam18:09
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krtaylorall need to know, and some that may not monitor infra alone18:09
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krtaylorok, so we can move on if no comments18:10
krtaylorskip to open discussion18:11
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krtaylor#topic Open Discussion18:11
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krtaylorja_, any thing you want to discuss>18:11
ja_question - fup/clarification on dougwig's answer last time18:12
krtayloror anyone else?18:12
krtaylorja_, on sizing resources?18:12
dougwigja_: shoot18:12
krtaylorhi dougwig18:12
dougwigkrtaylor: hiya. :)18:12
ja_he gave some per-slave stats... having seen "a recently constructed overview diagram", I wasn't sure exactly what slave maps to... compute node?18:12
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dougwigin the devstack-gate world, the slave runs devstack, so it's all nodes. and usually your hardware runs in parallel to the slave, or if it's a soft appliance, in parallel, or within the same nova.18:13
ja_b/c there's a whole pile of table-stakes machines for jenkins et al that I have to size as well.18:13
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ja_ok I hadn't realized you were talking about devstack18:14
krtayloralthough the term get overused18:14
ja_yeah ... like "resource" in REST land18:14
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dougwigi have a minimum of three boxes: jenkins (t1.micro at AWS), slave (m3.medium) and our appliance (m1.medium).  and the latter two get added as sets as we need more throughput.18:15
ja_does anyone here then have a feel for the size and shape of all the "infra" pieces necessary to drive the compute nodes?18:15
krtaylorja_, in your case, you are looking to figure out how many guests you'll need to run?18:15
dougwigi run them all on the jenkins server, which can be quite small.18:15
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dougwigif youre referring to zuul, gearman, etc.18:16
krtayloryes, the infra services don't require a lot of horsepower18:16
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ja_well, if I have to do a capital request, I probably get to do about one per year (two maybe in 15 since I'm new at it), so I want to be sure what the fixed-cost piece is too18:17
ja_"very small" is a nice answer18:17
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ja_I had been assuming they'd all be I/O bound hence smallish, but this confirmation helps.18:17
dougwigif you want to do a single server, i'd get 4 or 8 cores, 32gb of ram, run jenkins et all natively, and then use vagrant to spawn devstack-gate slaves inside the same box.18:18
dougwiget al. i can't believe auto-correct thought 'et all' was more correct.18:18
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krtaylorja_, we are driving our system with infra services on guests, but you could probably get by with a nicely equipped PC18:18
ja_auto-corr apparently doesn't know latin18:18
krtayloras dougwig said18:18
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krtaylorwe have intel nodes for that (and other uses) next to our PowerKVM nodes18:19
ja_I don't expect we'd be running zuul and friends on the same box as the devstack stuff, for the same reason I think powerkvm would separate them...18:20
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dougwigdevstack goes on the slave, which is sacrificial given the security concerns of running mystery code.18:20
ja_...i.e. all the existing doc and setup and experience for the infra bits is x86-oriented, so re-use that community knowledge.18:20
krtaylorja_, not because we couldn't, but it is just easier to be more like upstream services18:20
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ja_true I guess you could run ubuntu now ... I don't think that will be a (supported) option for us18:21
dougwigyou also want this thing in your DMZ, not inside your cozy little secure network.  and plan on a decent amount (few hundred GB) of slow storage for the logs/web server.18:21
ja_right, we have entire first-dot separate network for things that need to be at all accessible from "outside"18:22
krtaylorja_, you can use softlayer swift service for logs too18:22
krtaylorwe planned a TB for log storage18:23
ja_I have been assuming we might - basically on that we should be able to go low-cost.18:23
dougwigi think i have a 50GB volume, retain 60 days, currently using 16GB.18:24
dougwigfor logs18:24
ja_iirc the ci page said 6 mo retention18:24
krtaylorit used to be 6 months18:24
dougwigi thought it was 30 days?  looking...18:24
krtaylorthey dropped it to a month18:24
krtaylorit was taking up way too much space18:24
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krtaylorthat happened in Atlanta18:25
qwebirc17367what else happened?18:25
ja_hmm, quite sure I read it live on wiki as 6 mo within last 4 wks18:25
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krtaylorja_, then that needs to be changed, good patch opportunity18:26
krtaylorI'll check it when I get elbow deep in docs next week18:26
ja_I know I saved the url for the list.  well first I have to jump the ibm hurdles and get blessed.18:26
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krtaylorja_, no easy task18:26
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ja_is there any historical data on the volume of patches?  I think last time doubwig said it was 30-40ish for nova-only per day, which is quite a bit less than what I'd heard before.18:27
krtaylorI pulled together data on that last month for the "core" projects18:28
ja_krtaylor, I'm familiar with stds work, have done oss before, so meh just bits on paper18:28
krtaylordon't have it at my fingertips atm18:28
dougwigand it's about 100-200/day during the busy times, since I need 3 sets of slaves, currently at 18 minute build times.18:29
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ja_np we you find it, I'll use it.  I'm still flogging pure devstack on my new (VM) sandbox18:29
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krtaylorok, anything else?18:30
krtaylorif not we'll call it early18:30
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krtaylorthanks for the assistance dougwig, hope we didn't pull you out of vacation :)18:30
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dougwignp, i heard my phone buzz, popped over.  :)18:31
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krtaylorok, if nothing else then18:31
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krtaylorthanks everyone, until next week18:31
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ja_...that being Wed18:32
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