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| sarob | #startmeeting trainers | 18:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 28 18:04:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trainers' | 18:04 |
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| sarob | This is for the log | 18:05 |
| sarob | We held our 4th assoc training last week in sfo | 18:05 |
| sarob | About 110 people | 18:05 |
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| sarob | Went over compute and network | 18:06 |
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| sarob | The material is not published yet | 18:06 |
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| sarob | As training guides just branched | 18:06 |
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| sarob | Icehouse | 18:06 |
| sarob | New slides will go in this week | 18:06 |
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| sarob | Survey on the training #link http://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-M9BQ5GZV | 18:09 |
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| sarob | About a 15% response rate | 18:09 |
| sarob | #info sfo associates training is going well | 18:10 |
| sarob | #info new developer training patches will be coming from the Tokyo user group soon | 18:11 |
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| sarob | All for now | 18:12 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 28 18:12:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-01-28-18.04.html | 18:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-01-28-18.04.txt | 18:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-01-28-18.04.log.html | 18:13 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 28 19:01:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:01 |
| cschwede | o/ | 19:01 |
| peluse | yo | 19:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:01 |
| zaitcev | o/ | 19:01 |
| gvernik | hello | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | clayg: torgomatic: ping | 19:01 |
| acoles | hi | 19:01 |
| torgomatic | wat | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:01 |
| cutforth | hello | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | not a ton to cover today | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | oh. hackathon isn't on there. that too | 19:02 |
| notmyname | first up: swift 2.2.2 release | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #topic swift 2.2.2 release | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | I'd like to see patches land today and tag an rc. then final release next week (on 2/2) | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145970/ is the last substantive patch | 19:03 |
| notmyname | zaitcev just added some comments | 19:03 |
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| clayg | oh this is today? | 19:03 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: looks like minor stuff, right? | 19:03 |
| zaitcev | yes | 19:04 |
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| zaitcev | Like, one place adds '%' to end of output and the other does not. | 19:04 |
| notmyname | the most important question is if this is the last one related to data placement that needs to land in this release | 19:04 |
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| clayg | well - i mean... that's just like your *opinion* man | 19:05 |
| notmyname | or are there other outstanding patches that need to land too | 19:05 |
| clayg | notmyname: did you already merge the one about... missing zero tier something | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | clayg: yup | 19:05 |
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| clayg | then i'm good | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | great | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | I just proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150909/ with the changelog updates | 19:06 |
| clayg | zaitcev is the main with making output/format on command line utilities better - if he has opinions on set_overload I'm happy to hand that off and take on the reviewer role | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | the data placement stuff is tricky, so please take a loot and make sure I said things clearly and correctly. I'd appreciate any help on it | 19:07 |
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| acoles | notmyname: reads well to me | 19:08 |
| cschwede | notmyname: changelog looks good to me, but then i’m biased because there are no real news for me ;) | 19:08 |
| mattoliverau | me too | 19:08 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:08 |
| notmyname | cschwede: heh. some of that data placement stuff is from you too. the first one about dancing partitions was something you saw, right? | 19:09 |
| peluse | ditto | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: on clayg's patch, are you ok with everything if the percent signs get consistent? | 19:10 |
| cschwede | notmyname: hmm, or clayg or torgomatic - i think one of us saw this. not sure who was the first | 19:10 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: yes, +2 | 19:10 |
| notmyname | cschwede: I thought we both had customers with it (well, we did) | 19:10 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: yes, and we still have ;) | 19:10 |
| notmyname | cschwede: so go +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145970/ and we can get a release for you! ;-) | 19:11 |
| notmyname | (after fixing % signs, of course) | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | clayg: will you have a change to push another patch set right after this, or would you like someone else to? | 19:12 |
| clayg | notmyname: i'm not entirely sure how zaitcev would like it to look and I *am* in the middle of something | 19:12 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: can you push a new patchset there? | 19:12 |
| clayg | zaitcev: I'd just love you forever if you wanna go ahead and fix it for me | 19:12 |
| zaitcev | sure | 19:13 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:13 |
| clayg | woo hoo! thanks! | 19:13 |
| notmyname | anything else on this release? questions or concerns? | 19:13 |
| tdasilva | change log looks good | 19:13 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: thanks | 19:13 |
| mattoliverau | not that i can think of.. but I'm not really that awake :P | 19:13 |
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| clayg | zaitcev: can you keep a 0.6f output *somewhere* though? | 19:14 |
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| zaitcev | clayg: I'll just keep it where you left it in parenthesis | 19:14 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: just a quick question on change log. do we ever add a note like: "for more info, read this: _link_" ? | 19:14 |
| clayg | i think that's it maybe for the the ring release (took us long enough) - but there's still tones of outstanding reviews that we need to keep on | 19:14 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: yes. I've done that before | 19:15 |
| clayg | ^ i.e. no rest for anyone | 19:15 |
| notmyname | clayg: yes absolutely | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: ya maybe a link to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/overview_ring.html#overload is good | 19:16 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: yeah, that's what i was thinking | 19:16 |
| notmyname | thanks. I'll add that | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | moving on | 19:16 |
| notmyname | #topic hackathon | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-swift-hack-a-thon-sponsored-by-swiftstack-tickets-15226147818 | 19:17 |
| notmyname | it's just 2 weeks (1.5 weeks) away | 19:17 |
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| notmyname | I'm looking forward to seeing you here | 19:17 |
| notmyname | if there are other people that need to come, please let me know. | 19:17 |
| * peluse start shining his shoes | 19:17 | |
| notmyname | I'm currently going through the registration list, and there is still some space if someone else needs to come | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | beyond the normal "here's some patches we should look at", I expect us to spend a lot of time on EC, some on encryption, and maybe a couple of other big things (sharded containers, fast-POST, ??) | 19:19 |
| notmyname | please let me know asap if you have any concerns | 19:19 |
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| acoles | notmyname: service tokens?? ;) | 19:19 |
| notmyname | acoles: ah! that's the other one! | 19:19 |
| notmyname | yes that | 19:19 |
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| zaitcev | I expect EC to dominate. It was difficult for me to grasp. | 19:20 |
| mattoliverau | maybe I'll get up to speed on EC on the flight over, it'll be long enough :P | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | #topic priority reviews | 19:21 |
| peluse | mattoliverau, don't count on it being long enough :) | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | heh | 19:21 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | so I'm working on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews and there are a few good things listed there | 19:21 |
| notmyname | but... | 19:21 |
| notmyname | I need to update it. I expect to later this week. | 19:22 |
| notmyname | that being said, what patches are on your mind that we need to look at? | 19:22 |
| zaitcev | I had a couple that _I_ needed to examine | 19:23 |
| zaitcev | oh, some are merged already (135102) | 19:23 |
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| tdasilva | it would be great if people could start looking at object versioning, but not sure how "priority" it is... | 19:24 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: link? | 19:24 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: you're coming to the hackathon, right? | 19:24 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: yes | 19:25 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: I think it would be great to look at it before and discuss it there :-) | 19:25 |
| tdasilva | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134347/ | 19:25 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:25 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: why'd you move the doc? ...maybe we can address that later... | 19:26 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: ok | 19:27 |
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| notmyname | there's quite a few patches outstanding. whew. I'll go through them asap and get them sorted | 19:28 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: do you have any specific questions to bring up in here about versioning? | 19:28 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: no, don't think so. clayg helped out a lot, so I think it is ready now | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | great! | 19:29 |
| notmyname | any other patches to bring up in here with the group? | 19:29 |
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| tdasilva | just fyi for anyone interested, I was posted the first "sinlge process" patch, and I expect Ignacio and I will be working on that during hackathon | 19:30 |
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| tdasilva | it would be great to get other people looking at it.. | 19:30 |
| peluse | tdasilva, yes, I saw that! I am very intersted in that and will try to look before the SanFran party | 19:30 |
| tdasilva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149329/ | 19:30 |
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| tdasilva | peluse: cool, thanks! | 19:31 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: ok, I'll make a note of that too | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:32 |
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| notmyname | anything else from anyone? | 19:32 |
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| zaitcev | nothing important comes to mind | 19:33 |
| notmyname | lunch comes to mind | 19:33 |
| peluse | FYI I'll have another ver of the EC reconstructor up soon and will the get the spec up to date with the current implementation | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | peluse: thanks | 19:33 |
| peluse | so that mattoliverau has something good to read on the way over :) | 19:33 |
| mattoliverau | peluse: thanks ;) | 19:33 |
| notmyname | peluse: a sleep aid? | 19:33 |
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| peluse | what??? its like crack cocaine baby | 19:34 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | ok. let's call it | 19:35 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming | 19:35 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 28 19:35:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:35 |
| acoles | g'nite | 19:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-01-28-19.01.html | 19:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-01-28-19.01.txt | 19:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-01-28-19.01.log.html | 19:35 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: thanks! | 19:35 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 28 20:00:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:00 |
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| stevebaker | \o | 20:00 |
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| shardy | o/ | 20:00 |
| zaneb | aloha | 20:00 |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:01 |
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| BillArnold | o/ | 20:01 |
| dgonzalez | hi | 20:01 |
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| jpeeler | hi | 20:01 |
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| skraynev_ | hi o/ | 20:01 |
| rpothier | hi | 20:01 |
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| asalkeld | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 20:01 |
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| skraynev_ | zaneb: are you on Hawai ? | 20:02 |
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| zaneb | I wish | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | no actions | 20:02 |
| skraynev_ | sigh, I too ;) | 20:02 |
| asalkeld | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:02 |
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| asalkeld | just realised we really have not progressed with the midcycle online meetup | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | :-( | 20:03 |
| asalkeld | i'll tag that on the end | 20:03 |
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| asalkeld | anything else? | 20:04 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | #topic kilo-2 | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-2 | 20:04 |
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| asalkeld | this look OK'ish | 20:05 |
| asalkeld | except for the new blueprints that have appeared | 20:05 |
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| zaneb | that was me | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | hmm, I need to add at least one blueprint | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | really no time for those | 20:06 |
| zaneb | folks should retarget if they don't think they'll make it | 20:06 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: we have 2 more weeks, right? | 20:06 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, you getting a spec up? | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | and code landing? | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | looks like 1 week | 20:07 |
| zaneb | oh, only one more week. guess I had the dates wrong | 20:07 |
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| ryansb | yeah, it was 2 weeks at the meeting last week ;) | 20:07 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: working on it when I am not in meetings ;) | 20:07 |
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| skraynev_ | I suggest to re-target these bp-s | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | lucky you | 20:07 |
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| zaneb | agree, I'll retarget for kilo-3 | 20:07 |
| asalkeld | we can still work on the code and land early k3 | 20:07 |
| skraynev_ | it allows to focus on kil-2 staff | 20:08 |
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| asalkeld | there are a lot of bugs there | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | we need to go through those | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | and review if there is code up | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | also 6 bugs with no code | 20:09 |
| zaneb | done | 20:09 |
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| asalkeld | (I'll go through them, but if you have one that won't make it please re-target) | 20:09 |
| shardy | asalkeld: I've bumped my in-progress ones to k3, they're long-standing bugs I don't have a quick fix for | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | jpeeler, i'll push your bp to next | 20:10 |
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| jpeeler | asalkeld: thanks | 20:10 |
| asalkeld | done | 20:10 |
| pas-ha | I'll bump scheduler cleanup for later too | 20:10 |
| pas-ha | I clearly won't make them all | 20:11 |
| asalkeld | really looks like we are doing no work here - only 5 blueprints :-O | 20:11 |
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| shardy | It was the same last cycle, then 30 or something in M3 | 20:11 |
| skraynev_ | asalkeld: please stay "Add "service list" to heat-manage" I promised to look it tomorrow :) | 20:11 |
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| shardy | bump, bump, panic ;) | 20:11 |
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| asalkeld | yeah | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | ok, moving on | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | #topic convergence tasks/blueprints | 20:12 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, what's up | 20:12 |
| zaneb | so there is this etherpad: | 20:12 |
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| zaneb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-convergence-tasks | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | and I have started creating blueprints/bugs | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | all the ones I've created so far are linked from the etherpad | 20:13 |
| zaneb | I'll do the rest today | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | I'm assigning people who added their names on the etherpad | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, what is the tie in from the specs | 20:14 |
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| zaneb | in the next step I'll start submitting spec reviews | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | ok | 20:14 |
| zaneb | but feel free to start work without a spec | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | regarding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/convergence-config-option I have a question/suggestion | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | is there enough info in the etherpad to start work? | 20:14 |
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| zaneb | asalkeld: I hope so. I'm available to answer questions wherever it's not | 20:15 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: what exactly? | 20:15 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: let's hear it | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | what if legacy or convergence code path could be chosen at stack-create rather than as a config option | 20:15 |
| asalkeld | that is serious impl. detail | 20:16 |
| skraynev_ | do you mean some chages in API? | 20:16 |
| zaneb | then it's exposed to the user | 20:16 |
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| asalkeld | for a user to see | 20:16 |
| zaneb | that doesn't seem wise | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | it means we don't need a whole new gate job to run convergence vs legacy | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | Except.. | 20:16 |
| zaneb | I think I know why you're suggesting it | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | it means you can diverge them | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: yes, it is exposed to the use, so it would come down to justifying that as a good idea | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | to the user | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | you don't have to make convergence mimic non-convergence behaviors. | 20:16 |
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| asalkeld | SpamapS, sounds like api v2 | 20:17 |
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| SpamapS | That seems like coupling two separate things. | 20:17 |
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| SpamapS | But v2 could add the necessary bits to control convergence and inspect it where v1 didn't need those bits. ;) | 20:17 |
| zaneb | the idea of the option was a seamless way of getting rid of the legacy code. what y'all are suggesting involves keeping it around forever | 20:17 |
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| SpamapS | deprecating it and keeping it around until users are comfortable | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | that is one way to increase velocity.. mark it experimental | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: well, if there was a create option to select which engine, legacy would be the default until convergence is ready, then convergence becomes the default, then legacy gets deprecated... | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | but then we need to tell users about it | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | "if you want to try our new crazypants thing it will be more resilient and more awesomer, but it might also be more explodey" | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: users who don't care can use whatever default | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | if you make it deploy-time, deployers have to run two Heat services to try it out | 20:19 |
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| asalkeld | SpamapS, now they *will* have to run 2 services | 20:20 |
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| asalkeld | and it's a user option | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | also, I'm planning on making changes to functional tests so that a test can be run against multiple scenarios/environments, and this could use that mechanism too | 20:20 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, for stage one what user facing feature will this allow? | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | i don't see one | 20:21 |
| zaneb | update-during-update | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | asalkeld: er sorry what? | 20:22 |
| asalkeld | i was just wondering what feature convergence was adding in phase 1 | 20:22 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, answered | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | If you make it a stack-create option, then one heat service will service both old and new stacks. | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | so users with really big stacks might prefer to use an experimental convergence engine | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | legacy would just stay in whatever engine grabbed the stack. new would be handled in the new convergence-sexy way by all engines. One service. | 20:23 |
| asalkeld | i'd sugest if we went for this to call this feature "enable-update-during-update" | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | And what's good about this is it removes the 'big bang' hesitance. | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | deployers don't have to stress out about when to flip the switch. | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: what is your thinking on this now? | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | It would also enable larger stacks. | 20:24 |
| zaneb | SpamapS: that's true for existing stacks with the config option | 20:24 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: although the whole keystone v3 thing shows that's not really true if we bump the API | 20:24 |
| zaneb | my thinking is that it's the deployer's decision when they want to start supporting this code | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | I'd suggest the per-stack resource limits we have now be allowed to diverge, so convergence stacks should be allowed many many more resources than non-convergence stacks. | 20:24 |
| asalkeld | SpamapS, the decoulpe nested will alos allow larger stacks (if they have nested stacks) | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: there would still need to be a config option to specify what the default is, so that is a deployer decision | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | shardy: not sure I follow. | 20:25 |
| zaneb | there's no reason that convergence shouldn't be able to do everything that the legacy code can | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | asalkeld: those still end up being RAM killers. You just load the decoupled stacks all into RAM instead of the resources. | 20:25 |
| pas-ha | SpamapS, probably the adoption rate of Kv3 | 20:25 |
| zaneb | if it doesn't, it's a bug | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | maybe we should move this to the list | 20:26 |
| zaneb | and most folks shouldn't enable it until the major bugs are fixed | 20:26 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: agree, this is too big a discussion for this forum | 20:26 |
| shardy | SpamapS: migrating to keystone v3 has been hugely painful for folks, precisely because it's not transparent to users and some deployers don't yet support v3 | 20:26 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: ok, my derailing topic is over - back to actual convergence discussion | 20:27 |
| shardy | hopefully we can add some client-level magic which will make things more transparent if we go that way | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | For my money, I like the idea of running parallel code and making the batch size for migrations for user workloads a single stack. | 20:27 |
| skraynev_ | I think, that we should not promote new option as parameter, till we have not really close to finish comvergence staff | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | shardy: I don't really think there's an alternative to that. :-/ | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | skraynev_ sure but the code can be waiting - ready to go | 20:28 |
| shardy | SpamapS: well the alternative is the deploy-time option, which is transparent to users | 20:28 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: the problem I do think could have been handled better was the deprecation of v2.. which I think they were too aggressive on and that has been remedied. It's just life.. stable API's need to keep working for longer than anybody ever thinks. | 20:29 |
| shardy | but I agree there's a lot of advantages to an "opt in" experimental approach | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | one thing is how do we mark a stack option as experimental? | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | asalkeld: make it wear a mask? | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | (that the user can actually be made aware of) | 20:29 |
| stevebaker | documentation | 20:29 |
| shardy | SpamapS: Yeah, but there's remaining unsolved problems like lack of widespread version negotiation in clients, versioned endpoints in the catalog etc etc | 20:29 |
| zaneb | by discussing it on the mailing list? :P | 20:29 |
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| skraynev_ | zaneb: +1 | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | there is no mailing list for end users | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | shardy: agree, those things have been exposed by this very problem and luckily we can look to the others going through it for guidance. | 20:30 |
| shardy | SpamapS: I'm not opposed to a v2 API btw, just pointing out we shouldn't underestimate the effort and user impact involved | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | only devs and operators | 20:30 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: soooo missing the point | 20:30 |
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| SpamapS | asalkeld: openstack@ is for users | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | and ask | 20:30 |
| asalkeld | ok, you want to move on... | 20:30 |
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| * shardy actually proposed the v2 API a year ago IIRC .. ;) | 20:31 | |
| SpamapS | but anyway yeah a well reasoned list post would allow a broader audience including those who are going through this in other projects. | 20:31 |
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| zaneb | #action stevebaker to start mailing list discussion about transition to convergence | 20:31 |
| skraynev_ | gree with SpamapS | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | \o/ | 20:31 |
| skraynev_ | he-he :) | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, you want to cover any thing else re: convergence specs/bps | 20:32 |
| zaneb | not really, and I have another call starting :( | 20:32 |
| asalkeld | #topic midcycle online meetup | 20:33 |
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| asalkeld | do we still need this? | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | I'm leaning towards no | 20:33 |
| asalkeld | i am inclined to agree | 20:33 |
| shardy | getting a bit late for it really.. | 20:33 |
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| asalkeld | shardy, well it's online - so we can jump online anytime | 20:34 |
| pas-ha | if zaneb crafts nicely structured set of specs - no, we do not really have to | 20:34 |
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| stevebaker | the hard bit of deciding on convergence design was hashed out on the list | 20:34 |
| shardy | asalkeld: I guess I meant that we've had most of the discussion now, and whatever's not decided probably won't land for kilo anyway | 20:34 |
| asalkeld | ok, i'll can this for now | 20:34 |
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| shardy | I'm happy to do some hangouts or whatever though, if folks feel it's needed | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | hashtag agreed | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 20:35 |
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| stevebaker | how about this summer eh? | 20:35 |
| asalkeld | :-) | 20:35 |
| skraynev_ | :) | 20:35 |
| skraynev_ | one request: I think that Mistral resources are ready for review | 20:36 |
| skraynev_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/mistral-resources-for-heat,n,z | 20:36 |
| skraynev_ | they have enough "stable, workable" code | 20:36 |
| skraynev_ | also I plan to share document with examples (use-cases) | 20:36 |
| asalkeld | skraynev_ i'll have a look, but probably should land early k3 | 20:37 |
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| skraynev_ | I know, agree. | 20:37 |
| skraynev_ | Just wanted to collect feedback :) | 20:37 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: is mistral in devstack? | 20:38 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, it's easy to setup | 20:38 |
| tspatzier | ha, just wanted to ask the same question :-) | 20:38 |
| skraynev_ | yeah :) | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | shadower's stack-breakpoint code looks ready for serious review too, that will be a great feature | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: I don't know if it should be targetted for k-2 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/stack-breakpoint | 20:39 |
| asalkeld | https://github.com/stackforge/mistral/blob/master/functionaltests/pre_test_hook.sh | 20:39 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker, tspatzier: I will send email with short guide how to make it work (plus link on document with examples) | 20:39 |
| skraynev_ | probably on openstack-dev | 20:39 |
| tspatzier | thanks skraynev_ | 20:40 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker, done | 20:40 |
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| asalkeld | skraynev_ that link above works too | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | should we make it High priority, since it will be the recommended way to do rolling upgrades of clusters | 20:41 |
| zaneb | back | 20:41 |
| skraynev_ | asalkeld: yeap. | 20:41 |
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| skraynev_ | asalkeld: just want to make sure, that it will store in email list for all guys, who wants to try :) | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, huh? people have to do debugging to update a cluster? | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | that's wacked | 20:42 |
| zaneb | meh, it's just a name | 20:43 |
| ryansb | no, if they wanted to deploy in stages they can set breakpoints for points they want to manually verify that things aren't hosed | 20:43 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: per-node manual inspection is very desirable. Easier to roll back one node than the entire cluster | 20:44 |
| ryansb | they're not debugging per se, just setting spots for safety checks | 20:44 |
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| asalkeld | well hopefully not the encouraged mechanism | 20:44 |
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| asalkeld | (but available to those that want it) | 20:45 |
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| asalkeld | ok, I can call this meeting the end ... last call for discussion | 20:45 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 20:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 28 20:46:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-01-28-20.00.html | 20:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-01-28-20.00.txt | 20:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-01-28-20.00.log.html | 20:46 |
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