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| EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 9 13:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 13:00 |
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| sbadia | o/ | 13:00 |
| EmilienM | we have nothing in the agenda for this week, I guess most of the folks are in philadelphia midcycle | 13:00 |
| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/philadelphia-puppet-ops-session | 13:01 |
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| sbadia | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-March/006458.html | 13:02 |
| EmilienM | sbadia: do you want me to create a topic for rspec 2.0.0 if you have an update? | 13:02 |
| sbadia | no real update (i was off of puppet-openstack last week :'() | 13:03 |
| EmilienM | sbadia: o | 13:03 |
| EmilienM | ok | 13:03 |
| sbadia | but we (gael an me) are on the subject | 13:03 |
| gchamoul | yes I confirm | 13:03 |
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| EmilienM | #topic rspec-puppet-2.0.0 | 13:03 |
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| EmilienM | #action sbadia and gchamoul to continue the work | 13:04 |
| EmilienM | #topic keystone v3 | 13:04 |
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| sbadia | #link https://trello.com/c/eHXc1Ryd/4-investigate-the-necessary-change-to-be-rspec-puppet-2-0-0-compliant | 13:04 |
| sbadia | and | 13:04 |
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| EmilienM | sbadia: oops :P | 13:04 |
| sbadia | #link https://trello.com/c/tC7ZhPtN/10-add-puppet-lint-param-docs-plugins-to-puppet-lint | 13:04 |
| EmilienM | sbadia: thanks | 13:05 |
| sbadia | EmilienM: np ;) | 13:05 |
| EmilienM | for keystone v3 | 13:05 |
| EmilienM | #action richm created all tasks that remain https://trello.com/b/4X3zxWRZ/on-going-effort | 13:05 |
| EmilienM | there is a lot of work... still unassigned | 13:05 |
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| EmilienM | sbadia: do you have another topic? | 13:07 |
| sbadia | hum, nope | 13:07 |
| EmilienM | I think this week is going to be slow, since a lot of people are in phili | 13:07 |
| EmilienM | #topic open-discussion | 13:07 |
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| EmilienM | anything else? | 13:08 |
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| sbadia | nop for me | 13:09 |
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| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 13:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 9 13:10:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-03-09-13.00.html | 13:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-03-09-13.00.txt | 13:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-03-09-13.00.log.html | 13:10 |
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| sbadia | EmilienM: thanks :) | 13:10 |
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| asselin_ | hi | 15:08 |
| anteaya | hi | 15:09 |
| anteaya | I'm late | 15:09 |
| patrickeast | hey | 15:09 |
| luqas | hi | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 9 15:09:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:09 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:09 |
| anteaya | sorry about that | 15:09 |
| anteaya | didn't mean to keep you waiting | 15:09 |
| anteaya | how is everyone today? | 15:09 |
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| patrickeast | good | 15:10 |
| anteaya | glad to hear it | 15:10 |
| anteaya | how is everyone's systems operating? | 15:10 |
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| wznoinsk | hi, good here | 15:10 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: glad to hear it | 15:11 |
| asselin_ | so far so good. we found an issue affecting our systems. looking up bug now | 15:11 |
| anteaya | asselin_: I'd be interested to hear | 15:11 |
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| patrickeast | mines turned off right now :( got some new hardware but had to move the existing one to a new rack, had to get new ip addresses and network configs for everything | 15:11 |
| anteaya | patrickeast: wow | 15:11 |
| anteaya | yay for new hardware | 15:12 |
| patrickeast | it will be better in a few days tho | 15:12 |
| patrickeast | yea | 15:12 |
| anteaya | but not such great timing | 15:12 |
| anteaya | so you are thinking a few days? | 15:12 |
| asselin_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1427833 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1427833 in tempest "Intermittent 3rd party ci failures: 400 Bad Request [Errno 101] ENETUNREACH 101" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:12 |
| patrickeast | tripled the amount of initiators, and now i’ve got 4x 10 Gb for each to the array and FC ready for next release | 15:12 |
| patrickeast | i’m hoping later today | 15:12 |
| patrickeast | few days worst case | 15:12 |
| anteaya | nice | 15:13 |
| anteaya | patrickeast: you are pure storage, yeah? | 15:13 |
| patrickeast | yep | 15:13 |
| anteaya | nice job on the wikipage | 15:13 |
| asselin_ | if my analysis is correct, others should be hitting the same issue | 15:13 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Pure_Storage_CI | 15:13 |
| luqas | our also down for maintenance, hope to be up soon | 15:13 |
| anteaya | patrickeast: well done | 15:13 |
| patrickeast | thx | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | luqas: okay | 15:14 |
| anteaya | luqas: can you edit your page like patrickeast did? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 15:14 |
| luqas | anteaya: sure | 15:14 |
| patrickeast | asselin: oo when did that bug start showing up? | 15:14 |
| anteaya | luqas: thanks | 15:15 |
| asselin_ | patrickeast, since the beginning | 15:15 |
| asselin_ | patrickeast, finally traced it down...and then submitted the bug now that we know it's not some issue in our side | 15:16 |
| patrickeast | asselin_: ahh ok, i see, the workaround is to run sequentially… i’ve been doing that for a while to increase stability (probably sweeping bugs like this under the rug) | 15:16 |
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| anteaya | asselin_: first of all, nice work on the bug report | 15:16 |
| anteaya | asselin_: thanks for including your script | 15:17 |
| asselin_ | patrickeast, yes. and LVM/gate won't run into it since they don't do externally network connections during that time | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | asselin_: what do you want to do now? | 15:17 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, right now we're running sequential. but I'd like to get input from more people to see if they're running into it, and add to the bug. | 15:18 |
| anteaya | great | 15:18 |
| asselin_ | one big questions is why is br100 not setup at the very beginning like in normal devstack. | 15:19 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 15:19 |
| asselin_ | b/c if we can solve that, then we can go back to running parallel tests...which is what we want long-term. | 15:20 |
| anteaya | asselin_: I see that | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | asselin_: so that is a difference between devstack and tempest? | 15:20 |
| * krtaylor reads bug | 15:20 | |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, actually, it's more devstack running under devstack-gate. I think br100 should be setup before tempest even starts. | 15:21 |
| anteaya | asselin_: jeblair is supporting of starting a thread on the -dev list to get more feedback on it | 15:21 |
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| anteaya | asselin_: so the issue might be how devstack-gate is setting up devstack? | 15:22 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, in that case perhaps the bug is not in tempest.... | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | when you say normal devstack, do you mean a devstack you stack yourself? | 15:22 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, correct | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | as opposed to how infra sets it up | 15:22 |
| asselin_ | yes | 15:22 |
| anteaya | yes then devstack-gate might be the home for the bug | 15:22 |
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| krtaylor | asselin_, we may be seeing something similar, what is the OS? F21? | 15:22 |
| anteaya | we should look at how devstack-gate sets up devstack for those nodes | 15:23 |
| asselin_ | krtaylor, ubuntu 14.04 | 15:23 |
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| anteaya | so the logs for the test you linked are run on your system | 15:24 |
| anteaya | #link http://15.126.198.151/59/134759/13/check/3par-fc-driver-master-client-pip-eos10-dsvm/c3e9b0b/console.html.gz | 15:24 |
| anteaya | so you are using a form of devstack-gate for your setup here? | 15:24 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, yes, we use the official devstack-gate | 15:25 |
| krtaylor | asselin_, interesting, on F21 we are seeing something change the network configuration after tempest starts and creates 2nd level guests, network drops | 15:25 |
| anteaya | asselin_: you run devstack-gate master every time? | 15:25 |
| anteaya | or do you have a cached copy? | 15:25 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, yes, same as -infra | 15:25 |
| anteaya | okay | 15:25 |
| krtaylor | asselin_, I'll crawl through it and see if I see anything | 15:25 |
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| anteaya | asselin_: the only way you would be able to find the same information from our nodes is to run your script, is that correct? | 15:26 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, yes that's a good idea. We can then see if br100 is setup in the middle | 15:26 |
| anteaya | okay | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | talk to fungi and see if he can hold you a node | 15:27 |
| anteaya | then you can run your script and see if this is what devstack-gate is doing or just what devstack-gate is doing on third party systems | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | or perhaps just your system | 15:27 |
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| fungi | krtaylor: is there an upstream job doing that? | 15:28 |
| anteaya | fungi: would it be reasonable to allow asselin_ to run his script on one of our nodes? | 15:28 |
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| krtaylor | fungi, it is what we are seeing in our CI tests when trying to use a new F21 image | 15:29 |
| asselin_ | fungi, simple script to print out arp tables with timestamps | 15:29 |
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| fungi | anteaya: asselin_: to what end? you can propose a change to an existing project (devstack? devstack-gate?) which would run that fairly easily and report on the results, i expect | 15:29 |
| anteaya | if you would prefer that, that is fine | 15:30 |
| asselin_ | fungi, anteaya yes, this is what I did on our system. will see how to do that in infra | 15:30 |
| anteaya | asselin_: great | 15:30 |
| anteaya | any more on this topic? | 15:30 |
| fungi | we generally try to limit manual intervention on node handling to situations where our systems are misbehaving in ways which prevent us from seeing why in our logs | 15:30 |
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| asselin_ | that's it. just wanted to get awareness & ideas. thank you. | 15:31 |
| anteaya | fair enough | 15:31 |
| anteaya | asselin_: thanks for bringing it up | 15:31 |
| krtaylor | rfolco (on my team) has been looking at route info changing mid test, right before tempest creates 2nd level guests | 15:31 |
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| krtaylor | rfolco ^^^^, see scrollback | 15:31 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss today? | 15:31 |
| asselin_ | sure, last week I got nodepool working with DiskImageBuilder. It's really great! | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | yes wonderful | 15:32 |
| anteaya | congratulations | 15:32 |
| anteaya | did you want to share any further thoughts? | 15:32 |
| asselin_ | it's a huge savings | 15:32 |
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| anteaya | do you have diskimagebuilder running on its own server or on a server with another service? | 15:32 |
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| asselin_ | in bandwidth, time, and easier to maintain | 15:32 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, it's part of nodepool, so I just had to configure it. | 15:33 |
| anteaya | awesome | 15:33 |
| asselin_ | I leverage the same elements used in project-config. | 15:33 |
| anteaya | is anyone else running diskimagebuilder? | 15:33 |
| anteaya | cool | 15:33 |
| asselin_ | and add extras that I need to support my http proxies, pip configurations, etc. | 15:33 |
| anteaya | how long did it take you to figure out your configuration? | 15:33 |
| asselin_ | and anything that breaks, I just overwrite with an empty file | 15:33 |
| anteaya | how do you mean? | 15:34 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, I spent about 2 days on it....much less than I expected | 15:34 |
| anteaya | nice | 15:34 |
| krtaylor | asselin_, very good to know | 15:35 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, for example, there are some element that e.g need access to infra components, that I don't have. So I use all the files, and copy over an empty file for those parts that I don't need. | 15:35 |
| anteaya | asselin_: ah that makes sense | 15:35 |
| patrickeast | asselin_: yea thats pretty cool, would you recommend others switch to it as well? | 15:35 |
| asselin_ | #link https://github.com/rasselin/os-ext-testing/commit/dac919beca8dd8109505fab66a716bf4b4451b9e | 15:35 |
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| asselin_ | patrickeast, definitely | 15:35 |
| asselin_ | patrickeast, the other reason is scalability | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | that is very straightforward | 15:36 |
| anteaya | nicely done | 15:36 |
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| patrickeast | nice, i’ll give it a try once i’ve got my system back up | 15:36 |
| asselin_ | we run each blade as a nodepool provider, then each is actually 2 providers, 1 for regular nodes, the other for fc (to limit max nodes) | 15:36 |
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| asselin_ | so 16 blades * 2 providers = 32 providers = 32 images * 4GB = a ton of data every day | 15:37 |
| patrickeast | ew yea | 15:37 |
| asselin_ | with DIB, everything is cached locally on nodepool. image is built once, then uploaded to each provider | 15:37 |
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| asselin_ | so you guarentee the same exact image on all providers | 15:37 |
| anteaya | how often are you building images? | 15:38 |
| asselin_ | which I think was the main reason -infra switched over to it | 15:38 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, daily | 15:38 |
| anteaya | nice | 15:38 |
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| anteaya | luqas: thanks for changing your wikipage | 15:38 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Midokura_CI | 15:38 |
| anteaya | luqas: well done | 15:38 |
| luqas | anteaya: you're welcome :) | 15:39 |
| anteaya | diskimagebuilder was created as part of tripleo | 15:39 |
| asselin_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162313/ | 15:39 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:39 |
| anteaya | as a way of deploying openstack | 15:39 |
| asselin_ | ^^ this is needed for nodepool to work in setups with regions | 15:39 |
| anteaya | and it was so useful infra started using it | 15:39 |
| anteaya | I think it is still being deveopled as well | 15:39 |
| anteaya | yolanda has done quite a bit of work onit | 15:40 |
| anteaya | oh and as a note | 15:40 |
| anteaya | nodepool won't be having a lot of new patches merged until we can get some sort of testing for it | 15:40 |
| anteaya | as we had issues last week and we really don't have a great way to test it | 15:41 |
| anteaya | other than in production, which is not great | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | so if anyone wants to help figure out how to test it | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | I do belive it is on jeblair's todo list | 15:41 |
| anteaya | so thanks for the report on how you are doing with diskimagebuilder asselin_ | 15:42 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they want to talk about today? | 15:42 |
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| * krtaylor is happy for daylight savings time so he can finally start attending the office hours without meeting conflict | 15:43 | |
| anteaya | well I won't keep you | 15:43 |
| anteaya | thanks everyone for attending | 15:44 |
| anteaya | have a good rest of the day | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | and see you next week | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 9 15:44:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-03-09-15.09.html | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-03-09-15.09.txt | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-03-09-15.09.log.html | 15:44 |
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| sarob | hello | 16:00 |
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| amrith | is it oslo meeting time? | 16:01 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-guides | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 9 16:02:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 16:02 |
| sarob | roll call | 16:03 |
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| rluethi | dguitarbite, sayalilunkad: u there? | 17:02 |
| sayalilunkad | rluethi: yes | 17:02 |
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| rluethi | we seem to be one chair short. | 17:02 |
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| matjazp | hi all | 17:02 |
| sarob | hello | 17:02 |
| rluethi | there he is. | 17:02 |
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| sarob | i started the meeting an hour too soon | 17:03 |
| rluethi | I thought you might have gotten caught ab in DST. | 17:03 |
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| sarob | stupid daylight savings time | 17:03 |
| rluethi | right. | 17:03 |
| sarob | roll call | 17:03 |
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| rluethi | hi | 17:03 |
| matjazp | hi | 17:04 |
| sarob | \o/ | 17:04 |
| sayalilunkad | hello | 17:04 |
| sarob | okey dokey | 17:04 |
| sarob | i wasnt able to do much last week | 17:04 |
| sarob | agenda here | 17:04 |
| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides | 17:04 |
| rluethi | no agenda for today. so, any other issues? | 17:04 |
| sarob | well still need to review that stuff, right? | 17:05 |
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| matjazp | I was looking at that presentation stuff (xml to rst | 17:06 |
| sayalilunkad | we have had the same agenda for the last two meetings if I remember correctly. | 17:06 |
| sarob | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-03-02-17.00.html | 17:06 |
| sarob | how about review action items from last meet | 17:06 |
| sarob | to start | 17:06 |
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| sarob | #topic review action stuff | 17:07 |
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| sarob | matjazp: how did your rework go? | 17:07 |
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| matjazp | so so... like reed said, landslide sucks (in comparison with "full" presentation sw) | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | I'll be posting a proposition | 17:08 |
| matjazp | so you can all look at it and see if that is acceptable | 17:08 |
| matjazp | we will also have to adapt a CSS.. font is to small for slides | 17:08 |
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| sarob | matjazp: ready to hear and see | 17:09 |
| matjazp | sarob: I'm adapting your text.. hope thats ok | 17:09 |
| sarob | matjazp: totally | 17:09 |
| rluethi | matjazp: any reason to believe that hieroglyph would be better than landslide? | 17:09 |
| matjazp | sarob: primarily looking at presentation, not so much on the content | 17:09 |
| reed | matjazp, someone (Sylvain, IIRC) suggested to use reveal.js instead | 17:09 |
| matjazp | rluethi: well.. it cant be as bad as landslide (i hope ;) | 17:10 |
| reed | I asked for help in testing that solution | 17:10 |
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| sayalilunkad | reed: we did try using something similar to reveal.js. It was impress.js but that didn't work out too well | 17:10 |
| matjazp | reed: does it have rst? | 17:11 |
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| matjazp | or only markup | 17:11 |
| reed | reveal.js apparently uses RST as input so it may solve the problem | 17:11 |
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| rluethi | reed: one issue is that using something cool like reveal means PDF export becomes more important because many presentation computers are ancient machines without recent browsers. | 17:11 |
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| reed | but RST is such a family of formats in the end... | 17:12 |
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| reed | rluethi, probably but for Upstream Training that is not an issue | 17:12 |
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| sarob | rluethi: what presentation computers are you thinking of? | 17:13 |
| rluethi | sarob: the machines that you find in firms and universities next to the projector. | 17:13 |
| matjazp | rluethi: I always bring my laptop.. we can expect the same for other trainers | 17:13 |
| rluethi | matjazp: if that works for trainers, I'm cool with that, too. | 17:14 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: I can't even remember when I last time used (yes, REALY ancient) presenter comp | 17:14 |
| rluethi | matjazp: me? this week. | 17:14 |
| matjazp | rluethi: my condolances ;) | 17:15 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: duly noted. | 17:15 |
| rluethi | sayalilunkad, do you remember what the problem was with impress? | 17:16 |
| matjazp | rluethi: usually, if you have VGA adapter and a full battery, you can always use your laptop as a alternative | 17:16 |
| sayalilunkad | rluethi: I was just trying to find the patch I had for that. I can't seem to find it. | 17:17 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: I am used to events where there's not enough time to switch computers between presentations. but for OpenStack I think you are right. | 17:17 |
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| * matjazp rluethi: yes, its true. I was talking about longer talks (a uni class and similar)... Lightning talks& company are different | 17:18 | |
| * sarob like impress.js | 17:18 | |
| rluethi | sarob: do you like impress.js presentations, or did you write a presentation and like the way they're written? | 17:19 |
| sarob | 3d presentation canvas | 17:19 |
| matjazp | last time I checked, they were mostly based on markdown? | 17:19 |
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| sarob | i have not dig into code | 17:20 |
| sarob | dug | 17:20 |
| sayalilunkad | matjazp: thats right | 17:20 |
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| matjazp | I believe RST format somewhat narrows possible choices | 17:20 |
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| sarob | if we can support markdown and RST, is that bad? | 17:22 |
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| sayalilunkad | Can we not use markdown instead then? | 17:22 |
| matjazp | I would prefer rst (as it will be the format of choice for Docs), but I don't have a personal preference... | 17:23 |
| sarob | i prefer rst as well | 17:23 |
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| sarob | but supporting markdown too, could make this easier to move forward with automation, no? | 17:24 |
| rluethi | +1 for RST, just for consistency's sake. | 17:24 |
| sarob | i guess im just antsy | 17:24 |
| sayalilunkad | I would prefer not having two formats. Either one fine with me | 17:24 |
| sarob | so impress.js doesnt support rst? | 17:25 |
| sayalilunkad | reveal.js on the other hand does seem to support rst | 17:25 |
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| matjazp | sayalilunkad: where do you see that? | 17:26 |
| sarob | matjazp: your proposal will break the options down? | 17:26 |
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| sayalilunkad | sorry that was something else | 17:27 |
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| matjazp | my proposal was with landslide and using presenter notes for longer text and slide for bullet points (standard presenter stuff, really). So I took your slides and shorten them where I thought they were too long | 17:28 |
| sarob | matjazp: ah, okay | 17:28 |
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| matjazp | we could test converters like https://github.com/regebro/hovercraft (rst to impress) | 17:29 |
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| matjazp | and https://github.com/marianoguerra/rst2html5 (rst to different renderers) | 17:30 |
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| matjazp | but in the mean time, lets just write content in rst... | 17:30 |
| sarob | is dguitarbyte join us? | 17:30 |
| matjazp | we can easily convert to anything later | 17:30 |
| sarob | +1 | 17:30 |
| sarob | i need less options in my life | 17:31 |
| rluethi | +1 | 17:31 |
| sayalilunkad | +1 | 17:31 |
| * sarob on pin and needles for matjazp proposal | 17:31 | |
| sarob | ;) | 17:31 |
| matjazp | later today | 17:31 |
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| sarob | #topic landing page | 17:32 |
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| sarob | we kinda talked | 17:33 |
| sarob | about part of this | 17:33 |
| sarob | but i have more | 17:33 |
| sarob | to add | 17:33 |
| sarob | i spoke with heidi and lauren from the foundation | 17:33 |
| sayalilunkad | sure | 17:33 |
| sarob | last week | 17:33 |
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| sarob | on training guides and the openstack.org/marketplace/training subsite | 17:34 |
| sarob | they both agree on adding training guides to the online help section | 17:34 |
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| sarob | they are not sure about adding community training events to the main section of page though | 17:35 |
| matjazp | online help section? | 17:35 |
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| sarob | #link http://www.openstack.org/marketplace/training/ | 17:35 |
| sarob | see middle right side | 17:35 |
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| sarob | its the courses section that we need to discuss further | 17:36 |
| matjazp | there should also be a link from docs subsite | 17:36 |
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| sarob | matjazp: true | 17:36 |
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| sayalilunkad | for the middle right we need to scroll down the page | 17:37 |
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| sarob | really? | 17:37 |
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| matjazp | sayalilunkad: depends on the screen resolution | 17:37 |
| sarob | openstack online help section is pretty high up there | 17:37 |
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| matjazp | I can see it on my laptop directly | 17:38 |
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| sarob | i have creating a landing page on my to do list | 17:39 |
| sarob | im going to copy the ops or sec page | 17:39 |
| sayalilunkad | hmm that's weird | 17:39 |
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| sarob | annd | 17:40 |
| sarob | #topic landslide/sphinx report | 17:41 |
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| sarob | reed: you were tasked with reporting back? | 17:41 |
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| matjazp | sarob: due next week | 17:41 |
| sarob | oh, okay | 17:42 |
| reed | sarob, I didn't do it, sorry | 17:42 |
| sarob | geez, i cant read, reed | 17:42 |
| sarob | early ping | 17:42 |
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| reed | I'm following 3 conversations.. 4 now | 17:43 |
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| sarob | blush | 17:43 |
| sarob | #topic other stuff | 17:43 |
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| sarob | i have taken on running the foundation training standards group | 17:44 |
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| sarob | it parallel to what we are working on | 17:44 |
| rluethi | sarob: what is it? | 17:44 |
| sarob | starting next week | 17:44 |
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| matjazp | sarob: I would like to be involved | 17:45 |
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| sarob | matjazp: its public | 17:45 |
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| sarob | #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation-testing-standards | 17:45 |
| sarob | jump on the ML for whats what | 17:46 |
| matjazp | sarob: ok, thx | 17:46 |
| sarob | first meeting next week sometime | 17:46 |
| sarob | need to work it out soon | 17:46 |
| sarob | as to why | 17:46 |
| sarob | the foundation allows companies to use the openstack branded mark for promoting training | 17:47 |
| sarob | on openstack | 17:47 |
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| sarob | foundation is going to employ a third party to implement openstack tests | 17:48 |
| sarob | for certification like linux, ms, cisco, and the rest | 17:48 |
| sarob | this new group is going to create the content of what should be part of those tests | 17:49 |
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| sarob | the third party testing cert company will create the tests and administer the implementation | 17:49 |
| sarob | our group will want to know what those standards are too | 17:50 |
| sarob | so community training trainees are learning the stuff | 17:50 |
| matjazp | sarob: I remember working in a Openstack training working group few years back | 17:50 |
| matjazp | sarob: same focus | 17:50 |
| sarob | that helps them pass the tests | 17:50 |
| sarob | matjazp: yup, this is a reboot of that | 17:51 |
| sarob | mark collier started | 17:51 |
| matjazp | sarob: true | 17:51 |
| sarob | heidi bretz is running it now | 17:51 |
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| sarob | thats all i got to say about that | 17:52 |
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| matjazp | sarob: ok, thx, I'll try to pop up at the meeting | 17:52 |
| sarob | jump on ML to keep on top of it | 17:53 |
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| sarob | so is dguitarbyte still leading the automation effort? | 17:54 |
| rluethi | sarob: I suppose so. | 17:54 |
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| sarob | im open to whatever tweaks we team want | 17:55 |
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| sayalilunkad | tweak to? | 17:55 |
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| sarob | branching juno is my desire | 17:55 |
| sarob | there i said it | 17:56 |
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| sarob | anything else? | 17:56 |
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| rluethi | wait, didn't we branch juno weeks ago? | 17:57 |
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| rluethi | anyhoo, I guess that's for next week's meeting. | 17:58 |
| sarob | that was icehouse | 17:58 |
| sayalilunkad | rluethi: I don't think we have juno branch yet | 17:58 |
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| sayalilunkad | only icehouse and the trunk at preset | 17:58 |
| rluethi | trunk is the juno branch, isn't it? | 17:58 |
| sarob | we wanted to get slides going first | 17:58 |
| sayalilunkad | yes | 17:58 |
| sayalilunkad | trunk will become juno | 17:59 |
| sarob | allllmost there | 17:59 |
| sarob | roger that | 17:59 |
| sarob | i say goodnight and good morning | 17:59 |
| rluethi | bye | 17:59 |
| sayalilunkad | buh bye | 17:59 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 9 17:59:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-03-09-16.02.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-03-09-16.02.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-03-09-16.02.log.html | 17:59 |
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| sdake | hey jeff | 20:02 |
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| sdake | #topic CI | 20:02 |
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| sdake | so nikolay got our integrated functional test cases running | 20:03 |
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| rhallisey | great | 20:03 |
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| sdake | for example: | 20:04 |
| sdake | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162034/ | 20:04 |
| sdake | has a | 20:04 |
| sdake | #link http://logs.openstack.org/34/162034/1/check/check-kolla-functional-f21/7f365e3/ | 20:04 |
| sdake | a check kolla functional | 20:04 |
| sdake | I sent him an email to make the gate voting | 20:04 |
| sdake | so that review should be going through shortly | 20:04 |
| sdake | presently we run the precommit script in the tools directory | 20:05 |
| sdake | jpeeler has also been working on our first functional test | 20:05 |
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| sdake | jpeeler mind giving us an update on that | 20:05 |
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| jpeeler | i posted some code last week, but i'm going to have to change the approach | 20:06 |
| sdake | I noticed you are launching inside a heat vm | 20:06 |
| jpeeler | i thought it would be nice to have the test code also run in a container, but if that's not worth the trouble | 20:06 |
| sdake | have you thought szabout just running on the baremetal we get? | 20:06 |
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| jpeeler | sdake: i figured the test code would run the same place the containers did | 20:07 |
| sdake | right, but aren't you running it in a vm now? | 20:07 |
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| jpeeler | yes, i thought the devenv in the source was the expected environment | 20:08 |
| sdake | that is jsut for developers to test with | 20:08 |
| sdake | not for the gate | 20:08 |
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| sdake | vm on vm will be too slow for us to gate with is the reason I bring it up | 20:08 |
| sdake | according to #openstack-iunfra core guys | 20:09 |
| sdake | they said our approach wont work well | 20:09 |
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| sdake | but running container on the virt machine we get would be fine | 20:09 |
| jpeeler | well it's really container on vm :) | 20:09 |
| sdake | container on vm, on the vm that infra gets | 20:09 |
| sdake | infnra doesn't actually allocate bare metal machines | 20:09 |
| jpeeler | ah i see | 20:09 |
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| sdake | and my understanding from #openstack-iunfra is virt on virt in their environments is terrible :( | 20:09 |
| sdake | so I think a simple approach would be build container, run test case, output result | 20:10 |
| sdake | anyway nice work there - I like what I saw this morning when i reviewed the patch | 20:10 |
| sdake | anyone else on this topic? | 20:10 |
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| jpeeler | just make sure everybody knows links are not available for us | 20:11 |
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| sdake | because of the --pid=host problem you mean? | 20:11 |
| jpeeler | i think it's the --net option actually | 20:11 |
| sdake | yup | 20:11 |
| sdake | that is what I meant :) | 20:12 |
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| sdake | #topic milestone #3 progress | 20:12 |
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| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla | 20:13 |
| sdake | we have ea slew of completed blueprints alrready this cycle | 20:13 |
| sdake | unfortunately the link above doesn't show what we have done | 20:13 |
| sdake | so it could look kind of depressing | 20:13 |
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| sdake | but we have done about as many as are currently outstanding | 20:14 |
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| sdake | lets just focus on the essentials for now and go over them | 20:14 |
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| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/add-first-functional-test | 20:14 |
| sdake | #info first functional test is almost complete | 20:14 |
| daneyon_ | I need to implement the feedback from 159701 | 20:14 |
| sdake | yay nice work jpeeler and nikolay !:) | 20:14 |
| daneyon_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159701/ | 20:15 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/create-dev-quickstart | 20:15 |
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| sdake | ryan any progress on the quickstart? | 20:15 |
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| daneyon_ | I have to rebase #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159004/ | 20:15 |
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| rhallisey | ya I've been standing up openstack with a bunch of docker runs | 20:15 |
| rhallisey | but I'm going to move to fig | 20:16 |
| daneyon_ | I'll get these 2 addressed later this week. | 20:16 |
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| sdake | daneyon_ nice :) | 20:16 |
| rhallisey | sdake, so I should be done soon | 20:16 |
| sdake | #info database control and api control almost complete | 20:16 |
| sdake | #info ryan has openstack stood up with docker r uns - going to document it | 20:16 |
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| sdake | rhallisey I'd recommend just getting a real rough quickstar tguide and we can all iterate on it with a bunch of revisions | 20:17 |
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| rhallisey | sdake, I have my own repo | 20:17 |
| sdake | so like cranking something out quickly and getting it merged today/tomorrow - then we have the week to fix it up | 20:17 |
| sdake | and individually try it | 20:17 |
| rhallisey | I can link it | 20:17 |
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| sdake | cool drop a link in | 20:17 |
| rhallisey | #link https://github.com/rthallisey/atomic-osp-installer | 20:17 |
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| rhallisey | that has a decent guide to get up and running | 20:17 |
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| rhallisey | sdake, by the way I got nova fully working :P | 20:18 |
| rhallisey | I wasn't sure if you have gotten there yet | 20:18 |
| sdake | nice, nova in master works as well | 20:18 |
| sdake | atleast it wfm | 20:18 |
| rhallisey | excellent | 20:18 |
| sdake | (nova-network) | 20:18 |
| sdake | did you get neutron rolling? | 20:18 |
| rhallisey | were you running it with glance? | 20:18 |
| sdake | if you guys have code sitting around get reviews in | 20:18 |
| rhallisey | no just nova-network | 20:18 |
| sdake | I used glance from devstack | 20:18 |
| sdake | only ran nova-compute on from containers | 20:18 |
| rhallisey | ok. I have glance + keystone + nova working together | 20:19 |
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| sdake | cool can you get reviews up if the current master is bust? | 20:19 |
| rhallisey | ya sure | 20:19 |
| sdake | that way we are wall working from the same code base rather then divergent code bases :) | 20:19 |
| rhallisey | ccrouch's patch is needed | 20:19 |
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| rhallisey | for glance | 20:19 |
| sdake | I haven't seen ccrouch's patch | 20:19 |
| sdake | ok well looks like we are in good shape for the next week of tasks, everyone has work to do | 20:19 |
| rhallisey | we are going to run into a lot of race conditions | 20:19 |
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| sdake | #topic lxc vs docker | 20:20 |
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| sdake | daneyon have any thoughts on leading this agenda item | 20:20 |
| sdake | daneyon must havestepped away :) | 20:21 |
| sdake | essentially I think tripleo may not be too interested atm in integrating container work into their code base | 20:21 |
| sdake | in the short term | 20:21 |
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| sdake | so we had a look around other projects and came across os-ansible-deployment | 20:21 |
| sdake | that project uses lxc for containers | 20:21 |
| sdake | and does container deployment | 20:21 |
| sdake | using ansible rather then tripelo | 20:22 |
| sdake | at some point it may (or may not) make sense totry to integrate wtih that project | 20:22 |
| sdake | since tripleo's future is unclear | 20:22 |
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| sdake | there are two options - get them to use docker, or get us to use lxc | 20:23 |
| sdake | for the moment we are sticking with docker | 20:23 |
| sdake | but I wsanted to open it up to the broader community, folks have any thoughts on this integration path? | 20:23 |
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| rhallisey | why do you think tripleo isn't interested? | 20:24 |
| jpeeler | would have to look closer at os-ansible-deployment - does it support knowing when a container is up rather than just started? | 20:24 |
| sdake | jpeeler I dont know, daneyon may know though | 20:24 |
| sdake | rhallisey kolla uses shell scripts, I think tripleo is more interested in a puppet deployment model | 20:25 |
| sdake | persoanlly I think puppet is overkill | 20:25 |
| sdake | these are just things to think about for our longer term roadmap | 20:25 |
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| sdake | I can't see us switching entirely to a puppet model | 20:26 |
| sdake | folks agree or disagree? | 20:26 |
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| jpeeler | if we're considering ansible, puppet doesn't sound crazy | 20:28 |
| jpeeler | the real question is long-term do we want to merge with tripleO I guess | 20:28 |
| sdake | we aren't using ansible interlaly | 20:28 |
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| sdake | ansible would deploy our containers | 20:28 |
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| sdake | so instead of merging with tripleo, it would be merge with os-ansible-deployment | 20:28 |
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| sdake | well something to think about - seems like people are thinking rather then typing :) | 20:30 |
| jpeeler | forgive me for asking, but what is kolla's goal again? | 20:30 |
| sdake | #topic open items | 20:30 |
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| sdake | #undo | 20:30 |
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| sdake | jpeeler that is a great question | 20:31 |
| sdake | the answer is "bring container deployment to openstack" | 20:31 |
| sdake | we initially chose tripleo as our upstream to bring that to | 20:31 |
| sdake | another answer woudl be "deploy openstack in containers" | 20:32 |
| sdake | we have drawn a line at the "deploy" part - as in that is someone elses business | 20:32 |
| sdake | I don't think w e want to do that step ourselves | 20:32 |
| sdake | but we have to chose the upstream we want to integrate with | 20:32 |
| sdake | I just can't see an easy way to integrate with tripleo | 20:32 |
| sdake | I can see alot of easy ways to integrate with os-ansible-deployment | 20:33 |
| sdake | path of least resistance and all that ;) | 20:33 |
| sdake | make sense? | 20:33 |
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| jpeeler | it does - i'm just not sure we'll have the adoption we were looking for without tripleO | 20:33 |
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| sdake | yup so your question is - if we integrated with os-ansible-deployment would anyone actually use our stuff | 20:34 |
| sdake | my answer to that is, that community is going to start seeing some serious growth | 20:34 |
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| sdake | which implies yes | 20:34 |
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| jpeeler | okay then - but that also means no more fig then right? | 20:35 |
| sdake | who knows ;-) | 20:35 |
| sdake | lets wait until os-ansible-deployment grows as I think it will | 20:35 |
| sdake | before we make a commitment | 20:35 |
| sdake | but keep it on our minds | 20:35 |
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| sdake | I do think there is room for fig in that model, but again they use lxc currently | 20:36 |
| sdake | rather then docker | 20:36 |
| sdake | #topic open items | 20:36 |
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| sdake | any open discussion folks kwould like to have? | 20:36 |
| rhallisey | sdake, where do you want me to put the dev quickstart? | 20:36 |
| sdake | docs directory | 20:37 |
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| sdake | ok well thanks folks | 20:41 |
| sdake | see you all next week - lets keep cranking on those blueprints and get em knocked out :) | 20:41 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 20:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 9 20:41:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-03-09-20.01.html | 20:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-03-09-20.01.txt | 20:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-03-09-20.01.log.html | 20:41 |
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| rhallisey | thanks see ya | 20:41 |
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