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eglynn-lunch#startmeeting ceilometer15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 26 15:01:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eglynn-lunch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'15:01
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cdento/15:02
fabioghi15:02
idegtiarovo/15:02
ityaptino/15:02
_nadya_o/15:02
eglynnhowdy all15:02
fabiogeglynn: you got a long lunch :-)15:02
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llu-laptopo/15:02
eglynnfabiog: I'm a hungry man :)15:02
eglynn#topic kilo-rc115:03
eglynn#link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-rc115:03
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eglynnkio-3 is in the bag so the focus now falls on rc115:03
eglynn*kilo-315:03
gentuxo/15:03
prado/15:03
eglynnthe idea to minimize the number RCs we need to cut15:04
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eglynnas any RCn with n>1 requires a very solid justification15:04
eglynn#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule15:04
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eglynnso the approx start of the RC season is the week of April 9th15:04
eglynnbut nothing to stop us going early if no further blockers15:05
eglynnlet's a quick sanitize on the kilo-rc1 list15:05
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gordco/15:06
eglynncdent: this one has been punted from milestone to milestone ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1348818 (PYTHONHASHSEED)15:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1348818 in Cinder "Unittests do not succeed with random PYTHONHASHSEED value" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Eric Harney (eharney)15:06
silehto/15:06
eglynnshould we just kill it at this stage?15:06
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jd__o/15:06
cdentyeah, nobody knows how to fix it because nobody really knows why it is happening15:06
cdentit's not in ceilo itself15:06
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eglynncdent: close as invalid, or punt into the great blue yonder?15:07
cdentits somewhere in wsme extension if I recall15:07
gordccdent: yeah... or that's what i think15:07
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eglynnOK, punting to next15:08
cdentIt might be that the right thing is to let the hashseed be random for all the tests but the docs test. I'll do that.15:08
gordcthe error is in the doc check, that's all i know15:08
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eglynnI'm inclined to punt this also ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/137691515:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1376915 in Ceilometer "Access to sensitive audit data is not properly restricted" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Matthew Edmonds (edmondsw)15:08
gordccdent: that works for me. (if it works in gate)15:08
cdentas there are ordering errors leaking into the other tests15:08
eglynncdent: thanks ... pls re-target if it makes sense to do so15:09
eglynnany objections to punt LP#1376915?15:09
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eglynn... disagreement on the bug definition, lacking traction, already punted from various milestones15:09
llu-laptopeglynn: let's punt that15:10
eglynnk, re-tagetted to "next" also15:10
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gordcworks for me. i think there's a viable workaround. i'll comment on bug15:10
eglynnthe rest of https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-rc1 is either landed already or seems like a kosher thing we'd want to have fixed in the final kilo release15:11
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llu-laptopgordc: is your https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1436077 landing in rc1?15:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1436077 in Ceilometer "minimise hmac calls to avoid performance degradation" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to gordon chung (chungg)15:11
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eglynngordc: what do reckon of the importancre field for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1434711 ?15:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1434711 in Ceilometer "middleware and profiler notifications generate non-metric meters" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to gordon chung (chungg)15:12
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gordceglynn: it'd be good to have... i missed them initially.15:12
gordcllu-laptop: that'd be good to have as well... i haven't thought of solution to your comment just yet though.15:13
ildikovo/15:13
eglynngordc: k, sounds like a "medium"15:13
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eglynnI'm gonna say "medium" also for the mongo 3.0 bug, since we don't explicitly support this version or test against it in upstream CI15:14
gordceglynn: cool cool. works for me. i think most of my items are 'nice to have's15:14
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eglynncoolness15:14
eglynnso RC1 looks pretty quiet so far, so I guess that could explode once the distros start testing initial packages based on kilo-315:15
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eglynnRDO kilo-3 packages are iminent IIUC15:15
eglynndunno about trusty, anyone tracking those packages?15:16
gordcrc1 is what day again?15:16
gordcnm, i read history.15:16
jd__9th April IIRC15:16
gordccool cool15:16
eglynnwell, seems it's a "moveable feast"15:17
eglynnlike Easter :)15:17
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eglynnwe can cut RC1 early if we like, or possibly delay it slightly if some critical issue explodes the week of April 9th15:18
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eglynntrick seems to be identify the potential release blockers before w/c April 9th to avoid a needless RC215:19
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eglynnanything else on RC1?15:20
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eglynn#topic gnocchi15:20
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jd__"This is exciting" – The Wall Street Journal15:21
silehtahahah15:21
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jd__"You'll never regret pastas" – Times15:21
jd__anything else? :D15:21
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eglynnROFL :)15:21
jd__so we release our first alpha aka 1.0.0a115:21
eglynnjd__: you mentioned also the trusy packaging work is ongoing?15:21
jd__I think nobody tested it so NO BUG!15:22
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jd__yeah zigo_ is going to take of packaging for Debian15:22
jd__I don't know about Ubuntu though15:22
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_nadya_congrats! :D15:22
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jd__other than that the project is pretty good shape and we make good progress every week15:22
jd__it should be now more than usable15:22
jd__the API is getting very sexy15:22
eglynnjd__: excuse my ignorance, but are the ubuntu packages usually just forks of the deb work?15:23
jd__we are still waiting on infra to rename the repository to openstack/gnocchi15:23
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eglynnjd__: ... or totally independent?15:23
jd__eglynn: more or less yeah, that depends15:23
zigo_Yeah, will do.15:23
zigo_jd__: As always, Ubuntu guys will wait until I do it... :)15:23
jd__hehe15:23
jd__RC1 milestone is at https://launchpad.net/gnocchi/+milestone/1.0.0rc1 for whose who want to track15:24
eglynncool, we have something similarish with the Fedora->RDO->RHEL packaging foodchain15:24
jd__we have a few patches that need reviews if anyone has time15:24
idegtiarovhi! we are interested in adding other backend to indexer, we think about mongodb, is it make sense for you?15:24
jd__idegtiarov: yes that makes sense15:24
idegtiarovdo we need to write a spec?15:24
jd__idegtiarov: no, just open a blueprint to track your work15:24
idegtiarovjd__, thank will do15:25
idegtiarov*thanks15:25
jd__if they are details you want to discuss we can do it on the mailing list15:25
jd__but it should be pretty straight forward15:25
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jd__for people following at home I started to write an InfluxDB driver15:25
eglynncool15:25
jd__but InfluxDB if far from being complete for our needs15:25
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jd__and 0.9 is still in rc stage and breaks/improves a lot of things15:26
jd__so I'll follow that, but it's not going to be in 1.015:26
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cdentI think they are too busy getting all silly valley up in the shiz15:27
jd__also sileht patches for our new aggregation API has been merged into Ceilo15:27
silehtand the heat resources too15:27
jd__anything else you want to add sileht cdent ?15:27
cdentI got the functional tests finally green15:28
eglynnjd__: influx driver won't be in gnocchi 1.0, or support for that specific version of influx won't be?15:28
idegtiarovjd__, thank you sir! We were going to start discussion in irc or it would be better on mailing list?15:28
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cdentWhich means there will be pretty good live coverage of swift, ceph and postgresql and mysql in the gate15:28
silehtI just started to create the history stuffs for resource attributes15:28
jd__eglynn: influxdb won't be, there's no way to build a full driver currently with InfluxDB 0.8, and probably not yet with 0.915:28
eglynnjd__: cool, got it15:28
jd__idegtiarov: in general if it's long I prefer ML, if it's just a few questions feel free to ping on IRC15:29
idegtiarovjd__, got it thanks.15:29
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jd__yeah what's sileht is working on is exciting – come on be excited15:29
gordcyay?15:29
jd__we'll have history of resources states, think about flavor changes in VM15:29
jd__isn't that awesome?15:29
gordcyay!15:30
jd__thanks gordc, pass by my office for your check15:30
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* jd__ . o O (plane so expense he'll never do it hihi)15:30
jd__s/expense/expensive/15:30
gordcjokes on you15:30
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eglynnsileht: so this is to allow reconstructing the resource state timeline from old attribute values?15:31
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fabiogjd__: are you creating a new resource when the flavor changes and link it to the previous one?15:31
eglynnsileht: awesome :)15:31
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silehteglynn, yes15:32
fabiogjd__: or you adding a history inside the same resource?15:32
jd__fabiog: that's our idea indeed15:32
silehteglynn, I plan to duplicate the resource15:32
fabiogjd__: ok, that makes sense. The second wont :)15:32
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jd__fabiog: cool πŸ‘15:32
fabiogsileht: yes, you want that. Also if I remember correctly nova may give it a different resource id15:33
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eglynnsileht: coolness, so the events persistence won't be needed now for that purpose?15:33
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silehteglynn, if the gnocchi resource track the attribut I guess yes15:34
silehteglynn, but ceilometer event is still more flexible for that15:35
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eglynnyeah, say looking at the raw resize events, rather than say querying the resource attribute history to find all instance resizes that happened in the last month15:37
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eglynnsileht: ^^^ reason I ask is that this very usecase has come up before with customers doing chargeback15:39
eglynn... I've generally recommended using events instead of a classic ceilo samples query15:40
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eglynn... the trade-off might be the other way though for the new gnocchi resource attribute history15:40
eglynnanyhoo15:40
eglynnanything else pasta-related?15:41
jd__I think that's all15:41
silehteglynn, got it, I just started to store the history, the API should allow that, I hope.15:41
eglynnsileht: coolness, thanks15:41
eglynn#topic open-discussion15:41
silehtthe bot is sick15:42
cdentit's because eglynn came on as eglynn-lunch15:43
cdentand then switched15:43
eglynna-ha15:43
* eglynn goes back to lunch :)15:43
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eglynn-lunch#topic the-topic-that-missed-all-the-discussion15:44
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cdentWhen is the right time to start noodling about summit discussions?15:44
eglynn-lunchcdent: usually in the ~3 weeks preceeding, we make the discisions on the track agenda15:45
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cdentcool, thanks15:45
fabiogeglynn-lunch: cdent I think last time we had a spreadsheet to populate, that was very useful15:45
eglynn-lunchcdent: for Paris, we dispensed with al lthe formal CFP business15:45
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eglynn-lunchfabiog: yep, let's spin up something similar for Vancouver15:46
gordcfabiog: yeah, spreadsheet worked pretty well15:46
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eglynn-lunchcdent: part of the reason it's so late is that there's often horse-trading around the slots-per-track and the distribution of tracks during the week15:47
cdentyeah, I remember that15:47
eglynn-lunchcool15:47
cdentoh that reminds me: I convinced gordc, jokingly, that there's going to be a bowling night and somehow it evolved into a bowl off between projects15:48
eglynn-lunch... but never too early to start cooking up ideas for sessions15:48
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eglynn-lunchcdent: a-ha, cool ... ceilo versus who?15:48
cdentTHE WHOLE WORLD15:48
eglynn-lunchLOL :)15:48
cdentdunno :)15:48
cdentI think we'd be better off going for a nice stroll in stanley park, actually.15:49
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gordccdent: you're the afterhours planner.15:49
sigmavirus24cdent: glance accepts your challenge =P15:49
* sigmavirus24 kids15:49
cdentgordc is our ringer15:50
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cdentIf I'm the afterhours planner we're eating sushi for hours every night on someone else's tab.15:50
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gordccdent: sigmavirus24: i got fantastic technique... just as much power as possible.15:50
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sigmavirus24gordc: that's how you loose an arm in the gutter15:51
sigmavirus24goes flying right off with teh ball when you least expect it15:51
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gordcit's a risk admittedly.15:51
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sigmavirus24On the other hand, if the arm doesn't force the ball into the gutter, it'll take out all the pins15:52
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cdentI think that means we're done.15:53
fabiogcdent: I think so too :)15:54
eglynn-lunchcdent: I concur ... arms in the gutter is the signal to call it a wrap :)15:54
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gordclol! back to testing.15:54
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eglynn-lunchthanking y'all for your time15:54
eglynn-lunch#endmeeting ceilometer15:54
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stevemarping dtroyer, dhellmann, stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng for openstackclient meeting19:00
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briancurtinhey19:00
stevemaro/ briancurtin19:00
stevemarthis might be a short meeting, dtroyer is away19:01
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stevemarif it's just us we can probably skip this week19:01
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stevemari'll wait a few more minutes before officially starting or ending19:02
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stevemarbriancline, it's looking like we'll skip this week :\19:04
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stevemarbriancurtin, ^19:04
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stevemarunless you have something pressing to talk about (college baseball doesn't count)19:04
briancurtinalrighty then19:04
briancurtinhaha, nothing to add19:05
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stevemarcalling it then, skipping cause we're all busy with RC stuff :P19:05
lhchengo/19:05
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stevemarlhcheng, oh no! you are too late :)19:08
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stevemarlhcheng, did you want to chat about anything? I was just going to run down the bug list19:08
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stevemarbut i can do that on my own19:08
lhchengstevemar: is the meeting over?19:09
lhchengnothing much, busy with RC stuff too19:09
lhcheng:)19:09
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stevemarlhcheng, i didn't start it yet, no one was around :)19:09
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lhchengheh19:11
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lhchengstevemar: ok, let's skip this meeting then.19:12
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stevemarlhcheng, yeah, was just going to type that19:12
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stevemarskiP!19:12
stevemarself.skipmeeting()19:12
lhcheng++19:12
lhchengstevemar: ok, ttyl19:13
lhchengback to work19:13
lhcheng:)19:13
stevemarsee you in -keystone19:13
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mikalNova meeting anyone?21:00
bauzas\o21:00
mriedemhi21:00
n0anoo/21:00
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claudiubo/21:00
neiljerramo/21:00
mikalI have hope this will be a short one because the agenda is kind of empty21:00
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mikalabhishekk mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcookekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 raildo jaypipes gilliard garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha sileht claudiub lxsli neiljerram markus_z swamireddy alevine tonyb andreykurilin: ping21:00
anteayaoptimist21:00
tonybgooood moooorniiing miiikaaall <say it in a monotonic primary school voice>21:00
dimso/21:00
n0anonot even worth a #meeting :-)21:00
cfriesenIhi21:01
mikal#startmeeting nova21:01
mriedemi have lots of grievances!21:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 26 21:01:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:01
alaskio/21:01
edleafe\o21:01
dansmitho/21:01
sdagueo/21:01
melwitto/21:01
lennybчи21:01
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mikal#topic Kilo status21:01
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lennybHi21:01
mikalOk, so we're feature frozen21:01
mikalAnd string froken21:01
mikalfrozen even21:01
mikalAnd deps frozen21:01
jogoo/21:01
mikalSo, just bug fixes now21:01
mriedemi watched frozen on monday while snowed in :)21:01
mikalmriedem: you were actually frozen? How excitement.21:02
cfriesenmriedem: how many times does that make?21:02
cfriesen:)21:02
mikalSo, anything else to say there? Its just a reminder really.21:02
bauzasmriedem: welcome in the parents of daughters club21:02
claudiubq: novaclient is also frozen?21:02
mikalWe don't freeze the client, but we might not release it either21:02
jogowell we need to have a stable branch for clients now21:03
mikaljogo: did that merge yet?21:03
* mikal hasn't looked since the TC meeting about it21:03
claudiubk, thanks. :)21:03
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jogomikal: its not about things merging, that is the state we are in today21:03
mikalSo yeah, there is a proposal for stable branches for clients, but I don't think its merged yet unless it happened without me noticing21:03
jogodhellmann: ^21:03
mikaljogo: well, the spec for what to do needs to merge, right?21:04
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* mikal is happy for us to have a stable branch for novaclient21:04
claudiubwell, there is at least one commit that will have to be considered before the client stable release21:04
mikalI just want to make sure we follow the agreed process21:04
claudiubit's related to the microversions, on novaclient21:04
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sdagueclaudiub: we're already pinned on clients, so it will require a req bump, which means probably post release21:04
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claudiubwithout it, the microversioning api can't be used21:04
sdagueclaudiub: it can be used by people using the API directly21:05
jogomikal: right, the mechanics of it sure21:05
claudiubi see.21:05
claudiubalthough, i don't know how many people use the api directly, without using the novaclient. :)21:06
sdagueanyway, once the client patch lands, we can see where we stand and if it's worth it21:06
mikalHerm, the TC meeting agenda has been bumped to next week, so its not trivial for me to get a URL for the spec21:06
cfriesenextended server attributes wants microversion 2.3, so if novaclient doesn't support that...21:06
mikalAhhh, this21:06
mikal#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155072/21:06
mikalThat's what jogo is referring to21:06
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mikalWell, if we think there are reviews we need to do for the client, let's track that somehow and then make a call about releasing once they're merged21:07
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mikalPerhaps a next section on the priority etherpad?21:07
mikalAlthough they could just go in the v2.1 api section...21:07
claudiubmakes sense to be in the v2.1 api section, as it is a consumer21:08
mikalWorks for me21:08
mikalAnything else on release status?21:08
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mikal#topic Kilo priorities21:09
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mikalSo, apart frm those client reviews, anything else we need to be trackig for priorities?21:09
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/142495/ would be nice to land21:09
sdagueannegentle has been trying to get the api docs into our repo for months21:09
dansmithhas a -121:09
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dansmithI've been watching for that to bump today21:10
dansmithhappy to +W when it does21:10
mikalAlso, https://review.openstack.org/152569 is on the agenda but I don't know who put it there21:10
sdagueyes, it does for complaints about the doc content21:10
sdaguebut these are our docs21:10
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sdagueand redoing them should happen after move21:10
dansmithsdague: you're saying it should land in its current form?21:10
dansmithsdague: annegentle seemed to be working on a change21:11
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melwittmikal: I think that was me from two weeks ago21:11
mikalmelwitt: le huh, fair enough21:11
melwitthaha21:11
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sdaguedansmith: honestly, I'd be happy with current land, and fix it after.21:11
sdagueas I expect this to be a -1 to death patch otherwise21:12
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dansmithsdague: can you comment to that effect/21:12
sdaguedansmith: sure21:12
dansmithmikal: you okay with that?21:12
mriedemfwiw i asked kaufer to review the pagination section since he's been pretty involved there21:13
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mikaldansmith: I am21:13
dansmithmriedem: yeah, it's definitely good that he did21:13
mikaldansmith: we can iterate in tree21:13
dansmithmriedem: and I was waiting because it looked like good changes21:13
dansmithbut I'm also happy to not hold up docs21:13
annegentleI really do have updates, just need to finalize them21:13
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dansmithannegentle: want us to just wait then?21:13
mriedemi'm asking kaufer in -nova if he will make changes after it's merged21:13
mriedembut sounds like we should wait21:13
dansmithannegentle: you can ping one of the four of us and we can help make sure it lands on the next round if you want21:14
sdagueannegentle: ok, your call, it seemed like this keeps getting stalled though21:14
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mikalSounds like we wait for annegentle then?21:15
mikalAnything else on priorities?21:15
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annegentlethanks dansmith sdague21:16
mikal#topic Gate status21:16
annegentleI'll have it done by my eod21:16
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bauzasRC1 planned for April 9th, rihgt?21:16
mriedemgate has been ok i think?21:16
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mikalbauzas: or before, when the targetted bugs are fixed21:16
mikalmriedem: yay!21:16
mikal#topic Bugs21:16
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mriedemoverall categorization is down though http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/uncategorized.html21:16
mriedembadly21:16
bauzasmikal: okay, I'll update the prio etherpad for related bugs then21:16
mikalSo, this flows into the RC1 question21:16
jogomriedem: that is because the number of failures is way down21:17
mriedemif you filter ^ by 24 hours though there aren't huge missing things21:17
mikalRC1 is blocked until the targetted bugs are fixed, or bumped to RC221:17
anteayamriedem: did you want do do an elastic recheck categorization day?21:17
jogo112 failures in 10 days is not bad21:17
mriedemanteaya: no, there isn't anything worth categorizing right now21:17
mriedemyeah21:17
anteayamriedem: k21:17
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sdaguebauzas: that's the *last* day for rc1, it might go earlier21:17
mriedemi do have this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168158/21:17
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bauzassdague: ack, thanks for the clarification21:17
dansmithI was looking and our -rc1 bug list is pretty short21:17
mriedemi'm back to digging in the guts of quotas for this fixed_ips race we've had for a year now21:17
mikalYeah21:18
dansmithis everything we really care about on that?21:18
mikal#link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/kilo-rc121:18
dansmithI expected there to be some bugs that weren't in-progress on there, but there really isn't much21:18
bauzasI have a few bugs I'm concerned that are targeted for rc1 but that's on-going21:18
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mikalSo I think last release what we did about now is have a rat around looking for bugs we thought should be RC21:18
mikalI don't think we should be randomly promoting things21:18
mikalBut if people know about something important, they should make sure its on that list21:18
dimslike quotas!21:19
bauzas+1 for a bug triage21:19
sdague+121:19
cfriesenany chance of getting someone to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164762 ?  should be fairly uncontroversial.  It hasn't gotten much review traffic.21:19
dansmithyeah, I just have this feeling like maybe there isn't much on there, and maybe it's not getting focus21:19
sdaguedims: quotas is bigger than just some bug fixes21:19
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dimssdague: true21:19
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mikalAnyway, we don't have to find all the rc bugs right now in this meeting21:20
jogosdague: there are a few self contained bugs though21:20
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mikalBut we do need to make sure we think about it21:20
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mriedemthe cells job is non-voting but -1 for a few weeks,21:20
jogoit may be worth taking a look at the logs to see if they look sane too21:20
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mriedemare all of the patches up to make that green? if not, we should have rc1 bugs for those maybe?21:20
bauzasmriedem: we're actively working on fixing the issues with the cells job21:20
mriedemjogo: right - same idea ^21:20
cfriesensorry folks, that was the wrong link...that's the trickier one.   I meant to ask about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162746/21:21
bauzasmriedem: the main ones are already targeted RC121:21
mriedembauzas: ok, do any of those have a green cells job at the HEAD?21:21
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sdaguemriedem: it's 13 fails21:21
melwittmriedem: no because a couple of project-config changes are needed, which I have up depending on bauzas fixes21:21
alaskimriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166396/2 should end us with a green job21:21
bauzasmriedem: we need to sync up with melwitt and alaski21:22
sdague10 go away when bauzas updates his patches21:22
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bauzassdague: yeah, I expect it to be uploaded by tomorrow morning my time21:22
mriedemah cool, more skips21:22
melwittmriedem: one more skip, many removals :P21:22
sdaguealaski: we shouldn't exclude the hypervisor tests21:22
sdaguebecause that's a reall stacktrace in cells21:23
bauzasyeah thanks to melwitt, we'll skip those bad21:23
mriedembtw i'm not bashing, just saying it'd be nice to see that green before release21:23
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bauzasmriedem: yeah that's our target, agreed21:23
alaskisdague: I don't think those are being skipped, but I'll double check21:23
dims+1 to green21:23
melwittsdague: they won't be, the patch series that's up will actually fix those hypervisor things without excluding them21:23
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mriedemis that this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167564/21:24
sdaguealaski: oh, maybe it was an old rev21:24
bauzasmriedem: not this one exactly, but the series yes21:24
melwittmriedem: yes. and then I have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166396/ Depends-On that patch21:24
alaskisdague: gotcha21:24
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mriedemyeah that's what i saw21:24
sdagueyeh, you linked /2 :)21:24
sdague and /3 didn't have it21:24
melwittoh, oops21:24
sdagueok, +A on that21:25
alaskioh, woops21:25
bauzasmelwitt: you will probably have to change the Depends-On tag, but let's sync us offline21:25
melwittbauzas: okay21:25
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mikalAnything else on bugs?21:25
mriedemthere was talk of a bug day21:25
mriedembut after rc :)21:25
mikalThe Shanghai thing?21:25
sdaguegot to drop early, our room is getting abandoned here. Catch you later folks21:25
mriedemyeah21:25
mikalYeah, the timing there is going to be a problem21:26
mriedemhuawei is going to let us pair program in china for 3 bug days21:26
mikalSo, let's let that sort itself out on the thread21:26
anteayasdague: :( I was hoping to figure out what you wanted to do about the migration21:26
mikal#topic Stuck reviews21:26
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mikalNoting that we're constrained in what we are willing to merge at the moment...21:26
mikalAny more stuck reviews?21:27
mikali.e. reviews core will never reach concensus on in gerrit?21:27
mriedemso cfriesen was bringing up the server group thing but that's just lack of review it looks like21:27
mikalYep21:27
cfriesenyes21:27
mriedemi'm not super familiar with that code, looks racy21:27
mriedemhe's trying to fix it21:27
mriedemi don't know how well it's tested21:27
tonybmikal: I've seen one but it's an L thing now so ....21:27
mikaltonyb: ok21:27
mikalOk, cool21:28
mikal#topic Open Discussion21:28
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mikalLet me start by saying I am off work today21:28
mikalI'm going camping!21:28
anteayamikal: yay21:28
mikalBut I am sure y'all will get more done if I am away21:28
melwittthis review is semi-stuck i.e. waiting for input from danpb https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151953/21:28
anteayamikal: so yeah as I said above what are we doing about the migration?21:28
mriedem...and he was never heard from again...21:28
cfriesensounds fun...where to?   process question for L...for the purposes of whether a blueprint needs a spec, do "meaningful" flavor extra-specs values count as an API change?21:28
anteayamikal: I could use a bit of guidance21:29
mikalmelwitt: that review has a lot of +2's21:29
mikalanteaya: yeah, fair enough.21:29
mikalanteaya: as discussed, I think we need a summit session on this yet again21:29
tonybmikal: but nothing from DanB and it's libvirt ....21:29
anteayawell that's fine but in the meantime?21:30
mikalanteaya: I don't know how we resolve that some operators just aren't excited by neutron21:30
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anteayawhat do I tell oleg just cancel the meetings?21:30
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mikalanteaya: I think at this point in the release cycle we are unlikely to make much progress21:30
mikalanteaya: so putting the meetings on pause for a couple of weeks is a good idea21:30
anteayamikal: how operators felt about neutron was never the problem I was trying to solve21:30
anteayabut it seems to have trumped the problem I was21:30
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mikalanteaya: true21:30
mikalanteaya: well, nova wants to delete that code21:30
mriedemwell, if no one wants to migrate...21:31
mikalanteaya: that's why we care about migrating people21:31
anteayathat was what I was trying to support21:31
bauzasmikal: IIRC there was a question on the last meeting about the planning of the sessions, any chance you could open an etherpad for starting to gather ideas ?21:31
mikalanteaya: if people refuse to migrate, we don't get to our code delete end goal21:31
anteayagetting to the point of having that code out of nova21:31
dimswhen do we start planning for dev summit sessions?21:31
anteayamikal: agreed21:31
mikalbauzas: oh sure, I can to that today21:31
melwittmikal: I know -- it's not controversial but it is stuck waiting for a specific person. just wanted to mention it21:31
mikaldims:  later today apparently21:31
bauzasmikal: awesome thanks21:31
mriedemcan nova-network be moved out of tree into some other project/service, like ec2?21:32
tonybdims, bauzas proibably after the PTL election21:32
anteayamikal: well I can post to the mailing list and cancel meetings but I would like to offer something by way of a new direction21:32
dansmithmriedem: heh21:32
mriedemi'm playing devil's advocate here21:32
anteayamikal: as folks will just batter you with questions if it isn't clear21:32
mikalanteaya: if I recall the mail thread correctly we were waiting for a summary of what people said at the ops meetup21:32
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dansmithmriedem: it's been suggested21:32
mikalmriedem: I actually like that idea21:32
mriedemwell if we don't want it in tree,21:32
anteayamikal: it is a private email thread21:32
mriedembut people want it21:32
mriedemmove it out21:32
mikalmriedem: that's one of the thigns for that summit session I think21:33
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dansmithmriedem: it takes some effort to do that if we want it to work, even for the first day21:33
anteayamikal: and if you are refering to the public one, who is doing a summary and what will it tell us?21:33
dansmithmriedem: so we could for sure, but it does take some effort21:33
anteayamikal: I'm fine waiting if I know what I'm waiting for21:33
mriedemyeah i don't expect it to be trivial21:33
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dansmiththe other problem is that I think we do piss off some actual people by letting n-net fall into disrepair21:34
mriedemdansmith: so like 2 days heads down from you then? :P21:34
dansmithheh21:34
dansmithanyway, not something we'll settle here21:34
anteayamriedem: I'm actually infavour of your suggestion21:34
mikalanteaya: so we're waiting for two things, right?21:34
anteayait seems like the only way forward for some operators21:34
mikalanteaya: a migration implementation which doesn't cause concern for nova core21:34
dansmithanteaya: it really doesn't solve anything21:34
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mikalanteaya: and a decision about if we just spin nova-net out into its own thing21:35
anteayamikal: I can live with that21:35
anteayamikal: how do we get those things?21:35
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mikalanteaya: with the first one probably changing if the second one happens21:35
anteayayes21:35
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mikalanteaya: I don't have a solution apart from talking through the nova-net split out options at the summit. I need core focussed on the kilo release at the moment, I have a hard deadline for that.21:36
anteayaoh of course21:36
dansmith+1 for talking about it later21:36
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anteayaI'm just trying to figure out what to do now21:36
anteayacalling a halt doesn't feel right21:36
mikalanteaya: I think we have to pause21:36
mikalanteaya: I can't think of any other workable option21:37
mikalanteaya: the people we need to talk it through with are too busy on the release21:37
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anteayamikal: are you able to help me compose a post to the mailing list?21:37
mikalSure21:37
anteayayup, I understand that21:37
anteayathank you21:37
mikalWe can do that in an etherpad after this21:37
anteayasure21:37
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mikalAnything else for open discussion?21:38
lennybHi all, if we are on open discussion, is it a good timing to ask permission to add non-voting Mellanox Nova CI...?21:38
mikalOr should I send you all home?21:38
bauzass/home/bed21:38
mikallennyb: jogo had questions for you in the email thread earlier today21:38
mikallennyb: have you seen those yet?21:38
anteayalennyb: you need to bring your link with you21:38
anteaya#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/058779.html21:38
cfriesenfor the L release, for the purposes of whether a blueprint needs a spec, do "meaningful" flavor extra-specs values count as an API change?21:38
cfriesenjust wondering if I should start writing a spec for a proposal I'm working on21:39
mikalWhat does the word meaningful mean there?21:39
lennybyes, I didnt send him an answer yet.21:39
cfriesenstuff that impacts guest topology....I'm looking at allowing explicit pinning of guest numa node to host numa node21:40
mikalcfriesen: but, if its part of our public API, it probably needs a spec21:40
cfriesenso "hw:numa_node.X=Y" in flavor extra specs21:40
lennybanteaya: thanks.21:40
mikalcfriesen: I think that deserves a short spec, so that we don't end up with a syntax we regret later21:40
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cfriesenokay21:40
anteayalennyb: so whether you answer the question in this meeting, in the nova channel or on the email, the permission you seek is waiting on your response to jogo's questions21:41
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mikallennyb: yeah, we need that email answered first please21:42
mikalI think that we're pretty much done here?21:42
mikal.21:42
mikal.21:42
mriedembye!21:43
mikal.21:43
neiljerramHappy camping21:43
lennybanteaya, mikal: thanks, I will answer the email.21:43
mriedemdon't get eaten by a wallaby while camping21:43
mikal#endmeeting21:43
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mikalmriedem: its a scout camp... I think its more likely I will get arrested for killing children who refuse to sleep.21:43
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mikal(Noting that Aussie scouts is pretty different from US scouts)21:43
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dimsmikal: enjoy!21:50
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