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| eglynn-lunch | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 26 15:01:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn-lunch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:01 |
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| cdent | o/ | 15:02 |
| fabiog | hi | 15:02 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:02 |
| ityaptin | o/ | 15:02 |
| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| eglynn | howdy all | 15:02 |
| fabiog | eglynn: you got a long lunch :-) | 15:02 |
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| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:02 |
| eglynn | fabiog: I'm a hungry man :) | 15:02 |
| eglynn | #topic kilo-rc1 | 15:03 |
| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | kio-3 is in the bag so the focus now falls on rc1 | 15:03 |
| eglynn | *kilo-3 | 15:03 |
| gentux | o/ | 15:03 |
| prad | o/ | 15:03 |
| eglynn | the idea to minimize the number RCs we need to cut | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | as any RCn with n>1 requires a very solid justification | 15:04 |
| eglynn | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | so the approx start of the RC season is the week of April 9th | 15:04 |
| eglynn | but nothing to stop us going early if no further blockers | 15:05 |
| eglynn | let's a quick sanitize on the kilo-rc1 list | 15:05 |
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| gordc | o/ | 15:06 |
| eglynn | cdent: this one has been punted from milestone to milestone ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1348818 (PYTHONHASHSEED) | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1348818 in Cinder "Unittests do not succeed with random PYTHONHASHSEED value" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Eric Harney (eharney) | 15:06 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:06 |
| eglynn | should we just kill it at this stage? | 15:06 |
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| jd__ | o/ | 15:06 |
| cdent | yeah, nobody knows how to fix it because nobody really knows why it is happening | 15:06 |
| cdent | it's not in ceilo itself | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | cdent: close as invalid, or punt into the great blue yonder? | 15:07 |
| cdent | its somewhere in wsme extension if I recall | 15:07 |
| gordc | cdent: yeah... or that's what i think | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | OK, punting to next | 15:08 |
| cdent | It might be that the right thing is to let the hashseed be random for all the tests but the docs test. I'll do that. | 15:08 |
| gordc | the error is in the doc check, that's all i know | 15:08 |
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| eglynn | I'm inclined to punt this also ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1376915 | 15:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1376915 in Ceilometer "Access to sensitive audit data is not properly restricted" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Matthew Edmonds (edmondsw) | 15:08 |
| gordc | cdent: that works for me. (if it works in gate) | 15:08 |
| cdent | as there are ordering errors leaking into the other tests | 15:08 |
| eglynn | cdent: thanks ... pls re-target if it makes sense to do so | 15:09 |
| eglynn | any objections to punt LP#1376915? | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | ... disagreement on the bug definition, lacking traction, already punted from various milestones | 15:09 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: let's punt that | 15:10 |
| eglynn | k, re-tagetted to "next" also | 15:10 |
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| gordc | works for me. i think there's a viable workaround. i'll comment on bug | 15:10 |
| eglynn | the rest of https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-rc1 is either landed already or seems like a kosher thing we'd want to have fixed in the final kilo release | 15:11 |
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| llu-laptop | gordc: is your https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1436077 landing in rc1? | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1436077 in Ceilometer "minimise hmac calls to avoid performance degradation" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to gordon chung (chungg) | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | gordc: what do reckon of the importancre field for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1434711 ? | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1434711 in Ceilometer "middleware and profiler notifications generate non-metric meters" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to gordon chung (chungg) | 15:12 |
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| gordc | eglynn: it'd be good to have... i missed them initially. | 15:12 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: that'd be good to have as well... i haven't thought of solution to your comment just yet though. | 15:13 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:13 |
| eglynn | gordc: k, sounds like a "medium" | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | I'm gonna say "medium" also for the mongo 3.0 bug, since we don't explicitly support this version or test against it in upstream CI | 15:14 |
| gordc | eglynn: cool cool. works for me. i think most of my items are 'nice to have's | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | coolness | 15:14 |
| eglynn | so RC1 looks pretty quiet so far, so I guess that could explode once the distros start testing initial packages based on kilo-3 | 15:15 |
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| eglynn | RDO kilo-3 packages are iminent IIUC | 15:15 |
| eglynn | dunno about trusty, anyone tracking those packages? | 15:16 |
| gordc | rc1 is what day again? | 15:16 |
| gordc | nm, i read history. | 15:16 |
| jd__ | 9th April IIRC | 15:16 |
| gordc | cool cool | 15:16 |
| eglynn | well, seems it's a "moveable feast" | 15:17 |
| eglynn | like Easter :) | 15:17 |
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| eglynn | we can cut RC1 early if we like, or possibly delay it slightly if some critical issue explodes the week of April 9th | 15:18 |
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| eglynn | trick seems to be identify the potential release blockers before w/c April 9th to avoid a needless RC2 | 15:19 |
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| eglynn | anything else on RC1? | 15:20 |
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| eglynn | #topic gnocchi | 15:20 |
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| jd__ | "This is exciting" – The Wall Street Journal | 15:21 |
| sileht | ahahah | 15:21 |
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| jd__ | "You'll never regret pastas" – Times | 15:21 |
| jd__ | anything else? :D | 15:21 |
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| eglynn | ROFL :) | 15:21 |
| jd__ | so we release our first alpha aka 1.0.0a1 | 15:21 |
| eglynn | jd__: you mentioned also the trusy packaging work is ongoing? | 15:21 |
| jd__ | I think nobody tested it so NO BUG! | 15:22 |
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| jd__ | yeah zigo_ is going to take of packaging for Debian | 15:22 |
| jd__ | I don't know about Ubuntu though | 15:22 |
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| _nadya_ | congrats! :D | 15:22 |
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| jd__ | other than that the project is pretty good shape and we make good progress every week | 15:22 |
| jd__ | it should be now more than usable | 15:22 |
| jd__ | the API is getting very sexy | 15:22 |
| eglynn | jd__: excuse my ignorance, but are the ubuntu packages usually just forks of the deb work? | 15:23 |
| jd__ | we are still waiting on infra to rename the repository to openstack/gnocchi | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | jd__: ... or totally independent? | 15:23 |
| jd__ | eglynn: more or less yeah, that depends | 15:23 |
| zigo_ | Yeah, will do. | 15:23 |
| zigo_ | jd__: As always, Ubuntu guys will wait until I do it... :) | 15:23 |
| jd__ | hehe | 15:23 |
| jd__ | RC1 milestone is at https://launchpad.net/gnocchi/+milestone/1.0.0rc1 for whose who want to track | 15:24 |
| eglynn | cool, we have something similarish with the Fedora->RDO->RHEL packaging foodchain | 15:24 |
| jd__ | we have a few patches that need reviews if anyone has time | 15:24 |
| idegtiarov | hi! we are interested in adding other backend to indexer, we think about mongodb, is it make sense for you? | 15:24 |
| jd__ | idegtiarov: yes that makes sense | 15:24 |
| idegtiarov | do we need to write a spec? | 15:24 |
| jd__ | idegtiarov: no, just open a blueprint to track your work | 15:24 |
| idegtiarov | jd__, thank will do | 15:25 |
| idegtiarov | *thanks | 15:25 |
| jd__ | if they are details you want to discuss we can do it on the mailing list | 15:25 |
| jd__ | but it should be pretty straight forward | 15:25 |
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| jd__ | for people following at home I started to write an InfluxDB driver | 15:25 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:25 |
| jd__ | but InfluxDB if far from being complete for our needs | 15:25 |
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| jd__ | and 0.9 is still in rc stage and breaks/improves a lot of things | 15:26 |
| jd__ | so I'll follow that, but it's not going to be in 1.0 | 15:26 |
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| cdent | I think they are too busy getting all silly valley up in the shiz | 15:27 |
| jd__ | also sileht patches for our new aggregation API has been merged into Ceilo | 15:27 |
| sileht | and the heat resources too | 15:27 |
| jd__ | anything else you want to add sileht cdent ? | 15:27 |
| cdent | I got the functional tests finally green | 15:28 |
| eglynn | jd__: influx driver won't be in gnocchi 1.0, or support for that specific version of influx won't be? | 15:28 |
| idegtiarov | jd__, thank you sir! We were going to start discussion in irc or it would be better on mailing list? | 15:28 |
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| cdent | Which means there will be pretty good live coverage of swift, ceph and postgresql and mysql in the gate | 15:28 |
| sileht | I just started to create the history stuffs for resource attributes | 15:28 |
| jd__ | eglynn: influxdb won't be, there's no way to build a full driver currently with InfluxDB 0.8, and probably not yet with 0.9 | 15:28 |
| eglynn | jd__: cool, got it | 15:28 |
| jd__ | idegtiarov: in general if it's long I prefer ML, if it's just a few questions feel free to ping on IRC | 15:29 |
| idegtiarov | jd__, got it thanks. | 15:29 |
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| jd__ | yeah what's sileht is working on is exciting – come on be excited | 15:29 |
| gordc | yay? | 15:29 |
| jd__ | we'll have history of resources states, think about flavor changes in VM | 15:29 |
| jd__ | isn't that awesome? | 15:29 |
| gordc | yay! | 15:30 |
| jd__ | thanks gordc, pass by my office for your check | 15:30 |
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| * gordc looks for flights. | 15:30 | |
| * jd__ . o O (plane so expense he'll never do it hihi) | 15:30 | |
| jd__ | s/expense/expensive/ | 15:30 |
| gordc | jokes on you | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | sileht: so this is to allow reconstructing the resource state timeline from old attribute values? | 15:31 |
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| fabiog | jd__: are you creating a new resource when the flavor changes and link it to the previous one? | 15:31 |
| eglynn | sileht: awesome :) | 15:31 |
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| sileht | eglynn, yes | 15:32 |
| fabiog | jd__: or you adding a history inside the same resource? | 15:32 |
| jd__ | fabiog: that's our idea indeed | 15:32 |
| sileht | eglynn, I plan to duplicate the resource | 15:32 |
| fabiog | jd__: ok, that makes sense. The second wont :) | 15:32 |
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| jd__ | fabiog: cool 👍 | 15:32 |
| fabiog | sileht: yes, you want that. Also if I remember correctly nova may give it a different resource id | 15:33 |
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| eglynn | sileht: coolness, so the events persistence won't be needed now for that purpose? | 15:33 |
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| sileht | eglynn, if the gnocchi resource track the attribut I guess yes | 15:34 |
| sileht | eglynn, but ceilometer event is still more flexible for that | 15:35 |
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| eglynn | yeah, say looking at the raw resize events, rather than say querying the resource attribute history to find all instance resizes that happened in the last month | 15:37 |
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| eglynn | sileht: ^^^ reason I ask is that this very usecase has come up before with customers doing chargeback | 15:39 |
| eglynn | ... I've generally recommended using events instead of a classic ceilo samples query | 15:40 |
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| eglynn | ... the trade-off might be the other way though for the new gnocchi resource attribute history | 15:40 |
| eglynn | anyhoo | 15:40 |
| eglynn | anything else pasta-related? | 15:41 |
| jd__ | I think that's all | 15:41 |
| sileht | eglynn, got it, I just started to store the history, the API should allow that, I hope. | 15:41 |
| eglynn | sileht: coolness, thanks | 15:41 |
| eglynn | #topic open-discussion | 15:41 |
| sileht | the bot is sick | 15:42 |
| cdent | it's because eglynn came on as eglynn-lunch | 15:43 |
| cdent | and then switched | 15:43 |
| eglynn | a-ha | 15:43 |
| * eglynn goes back to lunch :) | 15:43 | |
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| * cdent is jealous and hungry | 15:43 | |
| eglynn-lunch | #topic the-topic-that-missed-all-the-discussion | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "the-topic-that-missed-all-the-discussion (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:44 | |
| cdent | When is the right time to start noodling about summit discussions? | 15:44 |
| eglynn-lunch | cdent: usually in the ~3 weeks preceeding, we make the discisions on the track agenda | 15:45 |
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| cdent | cool, thanks | 15:45 |
| fabiog | eglynn-lunch: cdent I think last time we had a spreadsheet to populate, that was very useful | 15:45 |
| eglynn-lunch | cdent: for Paris, we dispensed with al lthe formal CFP business | 15:45 |
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| eglynn-lunch | fabiog: yep, let's spin up something similar for Vancouver | 15:46 |
| gordc | fabiog: yeah, spreadsheet worked pretty well | 15:46 |
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| eglynn-lunch | cdent: part of the reason it's so late is that there's often horse-trading around the slots-per-track and the distribution of tracks during the week | 15:47 |
| cdent | yeah, I remember that | 15:47 |
| eglynn-lunch | cool | 15:47 |
| cdent | oh that reminds me: I convinced gordc, jokingly, that there's going to be a bowling night and somehow it evolved into a bowl off between projects | 15:48 |
| eglynn-lunch | ... but never too early to start cooking up ideas for sessions | 15:48 |
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| eglynn-lunch | cdent: a-ha, cool ... ceilo versus who? | 15:48 |
| cdent | THE WHOLE WORLD | 15:48 |
| eglynn-lunch | LOL :) | 15:48 |
| cdent | dunno :) | 15:48 |
| cdent | I think we'd be better off going for a nice stroll in stanley park, actually. | 15:49 |
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| gordc | cdent: you're the afterhours planner. | 15:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | cdent: glance accepts your challenge =P | 15:49 |
| * sigmavirus24 kids | 15:49 | |
| cdent | gordc is our ringer | 15:50 |
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| cdent | If I'm the afterhours planner we're eating sushi for hours every night on someone else's tab. | 15:50 |
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| gordc | cdent: sigmavirus24: i got fantastic technique... just as much power as possible. | 15:50 |
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| sigmavirus24 | gordc: that's how you loose an arm in the gutter | 15:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | goes flying right off with teh ball when you least expect it | 15:51 |
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| gordc | it's a risk admittedly. | 15:51 |
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| sigmavirus24 | On the other hand, if the arm doesn't force the ball into the gutter, it'll take out all the pins | 15:52 |
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| cdent | I think that means we're done. | 15:53 |
| fabiog | cdent: I think so too :) | 15:54 |
| eglynn-lunch | cdent: I concur ... arms in the gutter is the signal to call it a wrap :) | 15:54 |
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| gordc | lol! back to testing. | 15:54 |
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| eglynn-lunch | thanking y'all for your time | 15:54 |
| eglynn-lunch | #endmeeting ceilometer | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 26 15:54:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-03-26-15.01.html | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-03-26-15.01.txt | 15:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-03-26-15.01.log.html | 15:54 |
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| stevemar | ping dtroyer, dhellmann, stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng for openstackclient meeting | 19:00 |
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| briancurtin | hey | 19:00 |
| stevemar | o/ briancurtin | 19:00 |
| stevemar | this might be a short meeting, dtroyer is away | 19:01 |
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| stevemar | if it's just us we can probably skip this week | 19:01 |
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| stevemar | i'll wait a few more minutes before officially starting or ending | 19:02 |
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| stevemar | briancline, it's looking like we'll skip this week :\ | 19:04 |
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| stevemar | briancurtin, ^ | 19:04 |
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| stevemar | unless you have something pressing to talk about (college baseball doesn't count) | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | alrighty then | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | haha, nothing to add | 19:05 |
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| stevemar | calling it then, skipping cause we're all busy with RC stuff :P | 19:05 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 19:05 |
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| stevemar | lhcheng, oh no! you are too late :) | 19:08 |
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| stevemar | lhcheng, did you want to chat about anything? I was just going to run down the bug list | 19:08 |
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| stevemar | but i can do that on my own | 19:08 |
| lhcheng | stevemar: is the meeting over? | 19:09 |
| lhcheng | nothing much, busy with RC stuff too | 19:09 |
| lhcheng | :) | 19:09 |
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| stevemar | lhcheng, i didn't start it yet, no one was around :) | 19:09 |
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| lhcheng | heh | 19:11 |
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| lhcheng | stevemar: ok, let's skip this meeting then. | 19:12 |
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| stevemar | lhcheng, yeah, was just going to type that | 19:12 |
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| stevemar | skiP! | 19:12 |
| stevemar | self.skipmeeting() | 19:12 |
| lhcheng | ++ | 19:12 |
| lhcheng | stevemar: ok, ttyl | 19:13 |
| lhcheng | back to work | 19:13 |
| lhcheng | :) | 19:13 |
| stevemar | see you in -keystone | 19:13 |
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| mikal | Nova meeting anyone? | 21:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 21:00 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:00 |
| anteaya | o/ | 21:00 |
| claudiub | o/ | 21:00 |
| neiljerram | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | I have hope this will be a short one because the agenda is kind of empty | 21:00 |
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| mikal | abhishekk mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcookekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 raildo jaypipes gilliard garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha sileht claudiub lxsli neiljerram markus_z swamireddy alevine tonyb andreykurilin: ping | 21:00 |
| anteaya | optimist | 21:00 |
| tonyb | gooood moooorniiing miiikaaall <say it in a monotonic primary school voice> | 21:00 |
| dims | o/ | 21:00 |
| n0ano | not even worth a #meeting :-) | 21:00 |
| cfriesen | Ihi | 21:01 |
| mikal | #startmeeting nova | 21:01 |
| mriedem | i have lots of grievances! | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 26 21:01:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:01 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 21:01 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:01 |
| lennyb | чи | 21:01 |
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| mikal | #topic Kilo status | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| lennyb | Hi | 21:01 |
| mikal | Ok, so we're feature frozen | 21:01 |
| mikal | And string froken | 21:01 |
| mikal | frozen even | 21:01 |
| mikal | And deps frozen | 21:01 |
| jogo | o/ | 21:01 |
| mikal | So, just bug fixes now | 21:01 |
| mriedem | i watched frozen on monday while snowed in :) | 21:01 |
| mikal | mriedem: you were actually frozen? How excitement. | 21:02 |
| cfriesen | mriedem: how many times does that make? | 21:02 |
| cfriesen | :) | 21:02 |
| mikal | So, anything else to say there? Its just a reminder really. | 21:02 |
| bauzas | mriedem: welcome in the parents of daughters club | 21:02 |
| claudiub | q: novaclient is also frozen? | 21:02 |
| mikal | We don't freeze the client, but we might not release it either | 21:02 |
| jogo | well we need to have a stable branch for clients now | 21:03 |
| mikal | jogo: did that merge yet? | 21:03 |
| * mikal hasn't looked since the TC meeting about it | 21:03 | |
| claudiub | k, thanks. :) | 21:03 |
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| jogo | mikal: its not about things merging, that is the state we are in today | 21:03 |
| mikal | So yeah, there is a proposal for stable branches for clients, but I don't think its merged yet unless it happened without me noticing | 21:03 |
| jogo | dhellmann: ^ | 21:03 |
| mikal | jogo: well, the spec for what to do needs to merge, right? | 21:04 |
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| * mikal is happy for us to have a stable branch for novaclient | 21:04 | |
| claudiub | well, there is at least one commit that will have to be considered before the client stable release | 21:04 |
| mikal | I just want to make sure we follow the agreed process | 21:04 |
| claudiub | it's related to the microversions, on novaclient | 21:04 |
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| sdague | claudiub: we're already pinned on clients, so it will require a req bump, which means probably post release | 21:04 |
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| claudiub | without it, the microversioning api can't be used | 21:04 |
| sdague | claudiub: it can be used by people using the API directly | 21:05 |
| jogo | mikal: right, the mechanics of it sure | 21:05 |
| claudiub | i see. | 21:05 |
| claudiub | although, i don't know how many people use the api directly, without using the novaclient. :) | 21:06 |
| sdague | anyway, once the client patch lands, we can see where we stand and if it's worth it | 21:06 |
| mikal | Herm, the TC meeting agenda has been bumped to next week, so its not trivial for me to get a URL for the spec | 21:06 |
| cfriesen | extended server attributes wants microversion 2.3, so if novaclient doesn't support that... | 21:06 |
| mikal | Ahhh, this | 21:06 |
| mikal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155072/ | 21:06 |
| mikal | That's what jogo is referring to | 21:06 |
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| mikal | Well, if we think there are reviews we need to do for the client, let's track that somehow and then make a call about releasing once they're merged | 21:07 |
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| mikal | Perhaps a next section on the priority etherpad? | 21:07 |
| mikal | Although they could just go in the v2.1 api section... | 21:07 |
| claudiub | makes sense to be in the v2.1 api section, as it is a consumer | 21:08 |
| mikal | Works for me | 21:08 |
| mikal | Anything else on release status? | 21:08 |
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| mikal | #topic Kilo priorities | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo priorities (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:09 | |
| mikal | So, apart frm those client reviews, anything else we need to be trackig for priorities? | 21:09 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142495/ would be nice to land | 21:09 |
| sdague | annegentle has been trying to get the api docs into our repo for months | 21:09 |
| dansmith | has a -1 | 21:09 |
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| dansmith | I've been watching for that to bump today | 21:10 |
| dansmith | happy to +W when it does | 21:10 |
| mikal | Also, https://review.openstack.org/152569 is on the agenda but I don't know who put it there | 21:10 |
| sdague | yes, it does for complaints about the doc content | 21:10 |
| sdague | but these are our docs | 21:10 |
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| sdague | and redoing them should happen after move | 21:10 |
| dansmith | sdague: you're saying it should land in its current form? | 21:10 |
| dansmith | sdague: annegentle seemed to be working on a change | 21:11 |
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| melwitt | mikal: I think that was me from two weeks ago | 21:11 |
| mikal | melwitt: le huh, fair enough | 21:11 |
| melwitt | haha | 21:11 |
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| sdague | dansmith: honestly, I'd be happy with current land, and fix it after. | 21:11 |
| sdague | as I expect this to be a -1 to death patch otherwise | 21:12 |
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| dansmith | sdague: can you comment to that effect/ | 21:12 |
| sdague | dansmith: sure | 21:12 |
| dansmith | mikal: you okay with that? | 21:12 |
| mriedem | fwiw i asked kaufer to review the pagination section since he's been pretty involved there | 21:13 |
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| mikal | dansmith: I am | 21:13 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yeah, it's definitely good that he did | 21:13 |
| mikal | dansmith: we can iterate in tree | 21:13 |
| dansmith | mriedem: and I was waiting because it looked like good changes | 21:13 |
| dansmith | but I'm also happy to not hold up docs | 21:13 |
| annegentle | I really do have updates, just need to finalize them | 21:13 |
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| dansmith | annegentle: want us to just wait then? | 21:13 |
| mriedem | i'm asking kaufer in -nova if he will make changes after it's merged | 21:13 |
| mriedem | but sounds like we should wait | 21:13 |
| dansmith | annegentle: you can ping one of the four of us and we can help make sure it lands on the next round if you want | 21:14 |
| sdague | annegentle: ok, your call, it seemed like this keeps getting stalled though | 21:14 |
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| mikal | Sounds like we wait for annegentle then? | 21:15 |
| mikal | Anything else on priorities? | 21:15 |
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| annegentle | thanks dansmith sdague | 21:16 |
| mikal | #topic Gate status | 21:16 |
| annegentle | I'll have it done by my eod | 21:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:16 | |
| bauzas | RC1 planned for April 9th, rihgt? | 21:16 |
| mriedem | gate has been ok i think? | 21:16 |
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| mikal | bauzas: or before, when the targetted bugs are fixed | 21:16 |
| mikal | mriedem: yay! | 21:16 |
| mikal | #topic Bugs | 21:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:16 | |
| mriedem | overall categorization is down though http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/uncategorized.html | 21:16 |
| mriedem | badly | 21:16 |
| bauzas | mikal: okay, I'll update the prio etherpad for related bugs then | 21:16 |
| mikal | So, this flows into the RC1 question | 21:16 |
| jogo | mriedem: that is because the number of failures is way down | 21:17 |
| mriedem | if you filter ^ by 24 hours though there aren't huge missing things | 21:17 |
| mikal | RC1 is blocked until the targetted bugs are fixed, or bumped to RC2 | 21:17 |
| anteaya | mriedem: did you want do do an elastic recheck categorization day? | 21:17 |
| jogo | 112 failures in 10 days is not bad | 21:17 |
| mriedem | anteaya: no, there isn't anything worth categorizing right now | 21:17 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:17 |
| anteaya | mriedem: k | 21:17 |
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| sdague | bauzas: that's the *last* day for rc1, it might go earlier | 21:17 |
| mriedem | i do have this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168158/ | 21:17 |
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| bauzas | sdague: ack, thanks for the clarification | 21:17 |
| dansmith | I was looking and our -rc1 bug list is pretty short | 21:17 |
| mriedem | i'm back to digging in the guts of quotas for this fixed_ips race we've had for a year now | 21:17 |
| mikal | Yeah | 21:18 |
| dansmith | is everything we really care about on that? | 21:18 |
| mikal | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 21:18 |
| dansmith | I expected there to be some bugs that weren't in-progress on there, but there really isn't much | 21:18 |
| bauzas | I have a few bugs I'm concerned that are targeted for rc1 but that's on-going | 21:18 |
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| mikal | So I think last release what we did about now is have a rat around looking for bugs we thought should be RC | 21:18 |
| mikal | I don't think we should be randomly promoting things | 21:18 |
| mikal | But if people know about something important, they should make sure its on that list | 21:18 |
| dims | like quotas! | 21:19 |
| bauzas | +1 for a bug triage | 21:19 |
| sdague | +1 | 21:19 |
| cfriesen | any chance of getting someone to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164762 ? should be fairly uncontroversial. It hasn't gotten much review traffic. | 21:19 |
| dansmith | yeah, I just have this feeling like maybe there isn't much on there, and maybe it's not getting focus | 21:19 |
| sdague | dims: quotas is bigger than just some bug fixes | 21:19 |
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| dims | sdague: true | 21:19 |
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| mikal | Anyway, we don't have to find all the rc bugs right now in this meeting | 21:20 |
| jogo | sdague: there are a few self contained bugs though | 21:20 |
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| mikal | But we do need to make sure we think about it | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | the cells job is non-voting but -1 for a few weeks, | 21:20 |
| jogo | it may be worth taking a look at the logs to see if they look sane too | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | are all of the patches up to make that green? if not, we should have rc1 bugs for those maybe? | 21:20 |
| bauzas | mriedem: we're actively working on fixing the issues with the cells job | 21:20 |
| mriedem | jogo: right - same idea ^ | 21:20 |
| cfriesen | sorry folks, that was the wrong link...that's the trickier one. I meant to ask about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162746/ | 21:21 |
| bauzas | mriedem: the main ones are already targeted RC1 | 21:21 |
| mriedem | bauzas: ok, do any of those have a green cells job at the HEAD? | 21:21 |
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| sdague | mriedem: it's 13 fails | 21:21 |
| melwitt | mriedem: no because a couple of project-config changes are needed, which I have up depending on bauzas fixes | 21:21 |
| alaski | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166396/2 should end us with a green job | 21:21 |
| bauzas | mriedem: we need to sync up with melwitt and alaski | 21:22 |
| sdague | 10 go away when bauzas updates his patches | 21:22 |
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| bauzas | sdague: yeah, I expect it to be uploaded by tomorrow morning my time | 21:22 |
| mriedem | ah cool, more skips | 21:22 |
| melwitt | mriedem: one more skip, many removals :P | 21:22 |
| sdague | alaski: we shouldn't exclude the hypervisor tests | 21:22 |
| sdague | because that's a reall stacktrace in cells | 21:23 |
| bauzas | yeah thanks to melwitt, we'll skip those bad | 21:23 |
| mriedem | btw i'm not bashing, just saying it'd be nice to see that green before release | 21:23 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: yeah that's our target, agreed | 21:23 |
| alaski | sdague: I don't think those are being skipped, but I'll double check | 21:23 |
| dims | +1 to green | 21:23 |
| melwitt | sdague: they won't be, the patch series that's up will actually fix those hypervisor things without excluding them | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | is that this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167564/ | 21:24 |
| sdague | alaski: oh, maybe it was an old rev | 21:24 |
| bauzas | mriedem: not this one exactly, but the series yes | 21:24 |
| melwitt | mriedem: yes. and then I have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166396/ Depends-On that patch | 21:24 |
| alaski | sdague: gotcha | 21:24 |
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| mriedem | yeah that's what i saw | 21:24 |
| sdague | yeh, you linked /2 :) | 21:24 |
| sdague | and /3 didn't have it | 21:24 |
| melwitt | oh, oops | 21:24 |
| sdague | ok, +A on that | 21:25 |
| alaski | oh, woops | 21:25 |
| bauzas | melwitt: you will probably have to change the Depends-On tag, but let's sync us offline | 21:25 |
| melwitt | bauzas: okay | 21:25 |
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| mikal | Anything else on bugs? | 21:25 |
| mriedem | there was talk of a bug day | 21:25 |
| mriedem | but after rc :) | 21:25 |
| mikal | The Shanghai thing? | 21:25 |
| sdague | got to drop early, our room is getting abandoned here. Catch you later folks | 21:25 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:25 |
| mikal | Yeah, the timing there is going to be a problem | 21:26 |
| mriedem | huawei is going to let us pair program in china for 3 bug days | 21:26 |
| mikal | So, let's let that sort itself out on the thread | 21:26 |
| anteaya | sdague: :( I was hoping to figure out what you wanted to do about the migration | 21:26 |
| mikal | #topic Stuck reviews | 21:26 |
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| mikal | Noting that we're constrained in what we are willing to merge at the moment... | 21:26 |
| mikal | Any more stuck reviews? | 21:27 |
| mikal | i.e. reviews core will never reach concensus on in gerrit? | 21:27 |
| mriedem | so cfriesen was bringing up the server group thing but that's just lack of review it looks like | 21:27 |
| mikal | Yep | 21:27 |
| cfriesen | yes | 21:27 |
| mriedem | i'm not super familiar with that code, looks racy | 21:27 |
| mriedem | he's trying to fix it | 21:27 |
| mriedem | i don't know how well it's tested | 21:27 |
| tonyb | mikal: I've seen one but it's an L thing now so .... | 21:27 |
| mikal | tonyb: ok | 21:27 |
| mikal | Ok, cool | 21:28 |
| mikal | #topic Open Discussion | 21:28 |
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| mikal | Let me start by saying I am off work today | 21:28 |
| mikal | I'm going camping! | 21:28 |
| anteaya | mikal: yay | 21:28 |
| mikal | But I am sure y'all will get more done if I am away | 21:28 |
| melwitt | this review is semi-stuck i.e. waiting for input from danpb https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151953/ | 21:28 |
| anteaya | mikal: so yeah as I said above what are we doing about the migration? | 21:28 |
| mriedem | ...and he was never heard from again... | 21:28 |
| cfriesen | sounds fun...where to? process question for L...for the purposes of whether a blueprint needs a spec, do "meaningful" flavor extra-specs values count as an API change? | 21:28 |
| anteaya | mikal: I could use a bit of guidance | 21:29 |
| mikal | melwitt: that review has a lot of +2's | 21:29 |
| mikal | anteaya: yeah, fair enough. | 21:29 |
| mikal | anteaya: as discussed, I think we need a summit session on this yet again | 21:29 |
| tonyb | mikal: but nothing from DanB and it's libvirt .... | 21:29 |
| anteaya | well that's fine but in the meantime? | 21:30 |
| mikal | anteaya: I don't know how we resolve that some operators just aren't excited by neutron | 21:30 |
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| anteaya | what do I tell oleg just cancel the meetings? | 21:30 |
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| mikal | anteaya: I think at this point in the release cycle we are unlikely to make much progress | 21:30 |
| mikal | anteaya: so putting the meetings on pause for a couple of weeks is a good idea | 21:30 |
| anteaya | mikal: how operators felt about neutron was never the problem I was trying to solve | 21:30 |
| anteaya | but it seems to have trumped the problem I was | 21:30 |
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| mikal | anteaya: true | 21:30 |
| mikal | anteaya: well, nova wants to delete that code | 21:30 |
| mriedem | well, if no one wants to migrate... | 21:31 |
| mikal | anteaya: that's why we care about migrating people | 21:31 |
| anteaya | that was what I was trying to support | 21:31 |
| bauzas | mikal: IIRC there was a question on the last meeting about the planning of the sessions, any chance you could open an etherpad for starting to gather ideas ? | 21:31 |
| mikal | anteaya: if people refuse to migrate, we don't get to our code delete end goal | 21:31 |
| anteaya | getting to the point of having that code out of nova | 21:31 |
| dims | when do we start planning for dev summit sessions? | 21:31 |
| anteaya | mikal: agreed | 21:31 |
| mikal | bauzas: oh sure, I can to that today | 21:31 |
| melwitt | mikal: I know -- it's not controversial but it is stuck waiting for a specific person. just wanted to mention it | 21:31 |
| mikal | dims: later today apparently | 21:31 |
| bauzas | mikal: awesome thanks | 21:31 |
| mriedem | can nova-network be moved out of tree into some other project/service, like ec2? | 21:32 |
| tonyb | dims, bauzas proibably after the PTL election | 21:32 |
| anteaya | mikal: well I can post to the mailing list and cancel meetings but I would like to offer something by way of a new direction | 21:32 |
| dansmith | mriedem: heh | 21:32 |
| mriedem | i'm playing devil's advocate here | 21:32 |
| anteaya | mikal: as folks will just batter you with questions if it isn't clear | 21:32 |
| mikal | anteaya: if I recall the mail thread correctly we were waiting for a summary of what people said at the ops meetup | 21:32 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: it's been suggested | 21:32 |
| mikal | mriedem: I actually like that idea | 21:32 |
| mriedem | well if we don't want it in tree, | 21:32 |
| anteaya | mikal: it is a private email thread | 21:32 |
| mriedem | but people want it | 21:32 |
| mriedem | move it out | 21:32 |
| mikal | mriedem: that's one of the thigns for that summit session I think | 21:33 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: it takes some effort to do that if we want it to work, even for the first day | 21:33 |
| anteaya | mikal: and if you are refering to the public one, who is doing a summary and what will it tell us? | 21:33 |
| dansmith | mriedem: so we could for sure, but it does take some effort | 21:33 |
| anteaya | mikal: I'm fine waiting if I know what I'm waiting for | 21:33 |
| mriedem | yeah i don't expect it to be trivial | 21:33 |
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| dansmith | the other problem is that I think we do piss off some actual people by letting n-net fall into disrepair | 21:34 |
| mriedem | dansmith: so like 2 days heads down from you then? :P | 21:34 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:34 |
| dansmith | anyway, not something we'll settle here | 21:34 |
| anteaya | mriedem: I'm actually infavour of your suggestion | 21:34 |
| mikal | anteaya: so we're waiting for two things, right? | 21:34 |
| anteaya | it seems like the only way forward for some operators | 21:34 |
| mikal | anteaya: a migration implementation which doesn't cause concern for nova core | 21:34 |
| dansmith | anteaya: it really doesn't solve anything | 21:34 |
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| mikal | anteaya: and a decision about if we just spin nova-net out into its own thing | 21:35 |
| anteaya | mikal: I can live with that | 21:35 |
| anteaya | mikal: how do we get those things? | 21:35 |
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| mikal | anteaya: with the first one probably changing if the second one happens | 21:35 |
| anteaya | yes | 21:35 |
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| mikal | anteaya: I don't have a solution apart from talking through the nova-net split out options at the summit. I need core focussed on the kilo release at the moment, I have a hard deadline for that. | 21:36 |
| anteaya | oh of course | 21:36 |
| dansmith | +1 for talking about it later | 21:36 |
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| anteaya | I'm just trying to figure out what to do now | 21:36 |
| anteaya | calling a halt doesn't feel right | 21:36 |
| mikal | anteaya: I think we have to pause | 21:36 |
| mikal | anteaya: I can't think of any other workable option | 21:37 |
| mikal | anteaya: the people we need to talk it through with are too busy on the release | 21:37 |
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| anteaya | mikal: are you able to help me compose a post to the mailing list? | 21:37 |
| mikal | Sure | 21:37 |
| anteaya | yup, I understand that | 21:37 |
| anteaya | thank you | 21:37 |
| mikal | We can do that in an etherpad after this | 21:37 |
| anteaya | sure | 21:37 |
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| mikal | Anything else for open discussion? | 21:38 |
| lennyb | Hi all, if we are on open discussion, is it a good timing to ask permission to add non-voting Mellanox Nova CI...? | 21:38 |
| mikal | Or should I send you all home? | 21:38 |
| bauzas | s/home/bed | 21:38 |
| mikal | lennyb: jogo had questions for you in the email thread earlier today | 21:38 |
| mikal | lennyb: have you seen those yet? | 21:38 |
| anteaya | lennyb: you need to bring your link with you | 21:38 |
| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/058779.html | 21:38 |
| cfriesen | for the L release, for the purposes of whether a blueprint needs a spec, do "meaningful" flavor extra-specs values count as an API change? | 21:38 |
| cfriesen | just wondering if I should start writing a spec for a proposal I'm working on | 21:39 |
| mikal | What does the word meaningful mean there? | 21:39 |
| lennyb | yes, I didnt send him an answer yet. | 21:39 |
| cfriesen | stuff that impacts guest topology....I'm looking at allowing explicit pinning of guest numa node to host numa node | 21:40 |
| mikal | cfriesen: but, if its part of our public API, it probably needs a spec | 21:40 |
| cfriesen | so "hw:numa_node.X=Y" in flavor extra specs | 21:40 |
| lennyb | anteaya: thanks. | 21:40 |
| mikal | cfriesen: I think that deserves a short spec, so that we don't end up with a syntax we regret later | 21:40 |
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| cfriesen | okay | 21:40 |
| anteaya | lennyb: so whether you answer the question in this meeting, in the nova channel or on the email, the permission you seek is waiting on your response to jogo's questions | 21:41 |
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| mikal | lennyb: yeah, we need that email answered first please | 21:42 |
| mikal | I think that we're pretty much done here? | 21:42 |
| mikal | . | 21:42 |
| mikal | . | 21:42 |
| mriedem | bye! | 21:43 |
| mikal | . | 21:43 |
| neiljerram | Happy camping | 21:43 |
| lennyb | anteaya, mikal: thanks, I will answer the email. | 21:43 |
| mriedem | don't get eaten by a wallaby while camping | 21:43 |
| mikal | #endmeeting | 21:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 26 21:43:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-03-26-21.01.html | 21:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-03-26-21.01.txt | 21:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-03-26-21.01.log.html | 21:43 |
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| mikal | mriedem: its a scout camp... I think its more likely I will get arrested for killing children who refuse to sleep. | 21:43 |
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| mikal | (Noting that Aussie scouts is pretty different from US scouts) | 21:43 |
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| dims | mikal: enjoy! | 21:50 |
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