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| JRobinson__ | Morning all, OpenStack-Docs Meeting is set to begin in 5 minutes | 00:56 |
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| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docteam | 01:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 1 01:01:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 01:01 |
| JRobinson__ | Let's begin, | 01:01 |
| JRobinson__ | First of all, here's our agenda: | 01:01 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 01:01 |
| JRobinson__ | First item: actioning items from the last meeting | 01:02 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic anneg to FTP delete the XML published networking guide | 01:03 |
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| adahms | Morning | 01:03 |
| darrenc | hi | 01:03 |
| JRobinson__ | adahms, hello o/ | 01:04 |
| suyog | Hi all | 01:04 |
| JRobinson__ | hello suyog | 01:04 |
| JRobinson__ | sorry, tab complete spam. | 01:04 |
| slong | morning | 01:04 |
| JRobinson__ | slong, morning o/ | 01:04 |
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| slong | :) | 01:04 |
| asettle | Hello | 01:04 |
| JRobinson__ | So the XML published networking guide was FTP deleted - I am guessing. Were there any updates on this? | 01:05 |
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| JRobinson__ | Any progress comments? If no, we'll move to the next agenda item | 01:10 |
| asettle | None from me | 01:10 |
| darrenc | No | 01:10 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Final Four theme bugs | 01:10 |
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| JRobinson__ | Two of these bugs are now merged, however two remain: | 01:11 |
| JRobinson__ | Logging a bug: | 01:11 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160151/ | 01:11 |
| JRobinson__ | And Adding links in the sidebar for navigation: | 01:11 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160354/ | 01:11 |
| JRobinson__ | So to echo comments from the last meeting, are there any other blockers that could prevent the RST release? | 01:12 |
| slong | Sorry, am here, but haven't been following discussions so can't really comment. | 01:15 |
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| darrenc | I guess one question I have is how do we address converting audience profilingin DocBook | 01:15 |
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| JRobinson__ | slong, np, darrenc I can flag that as an action item for a contributor to pick up later? | 01:16 |
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| darrenc | JRobinson__ sure | 01:17 |
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| JRobinson__ | #Action For RST conversion: How to address converting audience profiling in Dockbook? | 01:18 |
| darrenc | one example is common/ch_using_openstack_overview.xml | 01:18 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info common/ch_using_openstack_overview.xml | 01:19 |
| darrenc | hi annegentle | 01:19 |
| JRobinson__ | annegentle, o/ | 01:19 |
| JRobinson__ | Was there an update on the FTP delete on the networking guide? | 01:20 |
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| JRobinson__ | Moving to the next topic to keep the meeting on track, | 01:21 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Licensing updates | 01:21 |
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| JRobinson__ | Our community guide licenses have had an important update: | 01:21 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ContentSpecs#Licenses | 01:21 |
| JRobinson__ | the update follows a recent audit on March 25. | 01:22 |
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| slong | That's good to have. | 01:22 |
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| JRobinson__ | There's also a brief legal update on the docs mailing list under the [legal-discuss] subject tag | 01:23 |
| suyog | cool, thanks for the update. | 01:24 |
| slong | Sorry have to go, talk soon :) | 01:24 |
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| JRobinson__ | That's all for licenses. | 01:25 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Specialty teams | 01:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | install guide - working on it. slow and painful. | 01:26 |
| JRobinson__ | I don't have as much information to post here. | 01:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | networking guide - also working on it, but install guide is taking precedence. | 01:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats all i have | 01:27 |
| JRobinson__ | Sam-I-Am, thanks, good to have an update | 01:27 |
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| JRobinson__ | For the User Guide, the most recent activity is that a blueprint is incoming after the Easter break. | 01:28 |
| annegentle | sorry JRobinson__ I'm slow (and distracted by small children) tonight | 01:28 |
| JRobinson__ | annegentle, np, timezones | 01:29 |
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| annegentle | JRobinson__: deletion complete, redirect done. | 01:29 |
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| JRobinson__ | A contributor is also working through the user/admin guide to flag files specific to the admin guide iirc | 01:30 |
| JRobinson__ | annegentle, awesome, thank you, will flag as info | 01:30 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info FTP deletion of networking xml is complete, and the redirect is in place and done. | 01:31 |
| darrenc | That's Andreas and Olga, I think | 01:31 |
| JRobinson__ | darrenc, ah, okay, thanks | 01:31 |
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| JRobinson__ | Any other information on Specialty teams? | 01:32 |
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| JRobinson__ | Next topic is Docs tools | 01:34 |
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| JRobinson__ | #Topic Docs Tools update | 01:34 |
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| JRobinson__ | Translation was a key bug for the RST conversion, however the bug now has a fix committed. | 01:35 |
| JRobinson__ | The conventions and RST markup page on the Docs wiki is still receiving attention, and is worth checking in on: | 01:35 |
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| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Markup_conventions | 01:36 |
| JRobinson__ | sorry for the delay there. | 01:36 |
| JRobinson__ | Any other tools updates? | 01:36 |
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| JRobinson__ | If no, then moving on to the next topic | 01:38 |
| JRobinson__ | #Topic Recap APAC docs F2F in Brisbane | 01:39 |
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| JRobinson__ | The OpenStack contributors in Brisbane had a meeting yesterday on March 31. | 01:39 |
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| JRobinson__ | We talked a bit about mentoring new writers, learning the toolchain, and RST | 01:40 |
| JRobinson__ | Any feedback on yesterday? | 01:40 |
| JRobinson__ | There will be another f2f meetup in late April or May iirc. | 01:43 |
| JRobinson__ | Now, last topic before open discussion: | 01:43 |
| JRobinson__ | #Topic Docs Swarm August | 01:43 |
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| JRobinson__ | asettle, was there a date and time set? | 01:43 |
| asettle | For the swarm? Yes there has been. Brian Moss is in charge of that as we're having it at the RH facilities. | 01:44 |
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| asettle | I will be organising another f2f meetup for May I think | 01:44 |
| JRobinson__ | asettle, thank you, | 01:45 |
| asettle | I'll be sure to put that in the calendars soon. | 01:46 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info updates on Swarm date and time coming soon | 01:46 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Open Discussion | 01:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not much from this side of the world | 01:47 |
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| JRobinson__ | let see: We've just had three contributors accept an invite to be docs core. More information on the mailing list. | 01:48 |
| JRobinson__ | Also, the criteria for which guide will be converted to RST next was discussed: | 01:49 |
| JRobinson__ | web analytics, contribution numbers, migration ease, and automation effort are the criteria. | 01:49 |
| JRobinson__ | Any further items to post? | 01:50 |
| darrenc | I'm good | 01:50 |
| JRobinson__ | if no, it's time to end the meeting. | 01:51 |
| JRobinson__ | Thanks everyone. | 01:51 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 01:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 1 01:51:36 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-04-01-01.01.html | 01:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-04-01-01.01.txt | 01:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-04-01-01.01.log.html | 01:51 |
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| darrenc | Thanks JRobinson__ | 01:52 |
| JRobinson__ | np darrenc :) | 01:52 |
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| suyog_ | Thanks JRobinson__ | 01:53 |
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| JRobinson__ | suyog_, thank you, np | 01:55 |
| JRobinson__ | sorry, s tab complete spam again. | 01:55 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 1 12:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 12:00 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 12:00 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 12:00 |
| Qiming | hi | 12:00 |
| dgonzalez | o/ | 12:00 |
| jruano | hello | 12:00 |
| elynn_ | o/ | 12:01 |
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| ramishra | hi | 12:01 |
| skraynev | hey hey | 12:01 |
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| asalkeld | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to the agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:01 | |
| asalkeld | any new topics | 12:01 |
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| asalkeld | maybe we can do a quick meeting | 12:02 |
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| asalkeld | #topic rc1 status | 12:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rc1 status (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:02 | |
| asalkeld | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 12:02 |
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| asalkeld | there is just 5 bugs to get in | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | should be easy ;) | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | any bugs that you want on the rc1 list? | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | things you think are blockers? | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | nope? | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | ok moving on | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | #topic https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-heat-sessions | 12:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-heat-sessions (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:04 | |
| asalkeld | just a quick note to add sessions to that ^ | 12:04 |
| zaneb | o/ | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | hi zaneb | 12:04 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1334333 should be fix committed soon. | 12:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1334333 in heat "resume stack failed after suspend a stack at the same time autoscaling updating the nested stack" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Angus Salkeld (asalkeld) | 12:04 |
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| skraynev | asalkeld: it was merged recently ;) | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | nice | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 12:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:05 | |
| asalkeld | wow 5mins | 12:05 |
| skraynev | morning zaneb | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | and onto that:-) | 12:05 |
| skraynev | 2 short things | 12:05 |
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| skraynev | 1. I have added a topic about deprecation (so we have a reminder to discuss it on summit) | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | ok | 12:06 |
| skraynev | 2. when will be opened L branch ? | 12:07 |
| zaneb | when rc1 is cut | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | skraynev: end of this week or begining of next | 12:07 |
| skraynev | ok, so it mean after 5 bugs | 12:07 |
| skraynev | cool. thx | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | basically when the bugs are all committed | 12:07 |
| skraynev | nothing else from me :) | 12:07 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: cool | 12:07 |
| jruano | for the summit, what days does the team meet? | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | jruano: not sure, the schedule is not set afaik | 12:08 |
| jruano | np | 12:08 |
| jruano | thanks | 12:08 |
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| asalkeld | jruano: shouldn't be long for that | 12:08 |
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| asalkeld | well if there is nothing more, we can close up | 12:10 |
| skraynev | wait a second | 12:10 |
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| pas-ha | just rememberd | 12:11 |
| pas-ha | there is a crossporject spec in works about using apache/nginx for api services | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | ok | 12:12 |
| pas-ha | one of our colleagues is looking at heat about it. should we raise a separate blueprint / spec in a heat space for that? | 12:12 |
| Qiming | where is the spec? | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | not sure if we need a spec | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | sooo simple | 12:12 |
| pas-ha | yeah, more or less | 12:12 |
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| asalkeld | just a little wrapper script | 12:13 |
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| ryansb | the crossproject one should be enough, IMO | 12:13 |
| pas-ha | just some questions regarding how it should work for all services together, e.g. sepaarte ports or vhosts | 12:13 |
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| pas-ha | but that's probably more to the deployer's decision | 12:14 |
| zaneb | ryansb++ | 12:14 |
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| pas-ha | ok, a simple blueprint linking to the cross-project spec then. | 12:14 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: just a bug? | 12:14 |
| ryansb | I don't see why we should be deciding vhosts for folks... | 12:14 |
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| asalkeld | or refer to the cross project bp | 12:15 |
| pas-ha | ok | 12:15 |
| asalkeld | each new spec is button pushing for me:-( | 12:15 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: ok, we try to avoid this pain for you ;) | 12:16 |
| asalkeld | too many small specs up atm | 12:16 |
| asalkeld | if there is something worth talking about make a spec | 12:17 |
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| asalkeld | ok, time to move over to #heat? | 12:19 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: ok. probably we can finish :) | 12:19 |
| pas-ha | yep | 12:19 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 12:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 1 12:19:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-04-01-12.00.html | 12:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-04-01-12.00.txt | 12:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-04-01-12.00.log.html | 12:19 |
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| flip214 | jgriffith: one hour too early, it only starts in 52 minutes. | 15:07 |
| jgriffith | flip214: haha... darn DST | 15:08 |
| jgriffith | :) | 15:08 |
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| Swanson | My calendar moved this up an hour for no good reason. 45 minutes early rather than 15 minutes late... | 15:13 |
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| rhe00 | Swanson: Mine didn't. Outlook still says the meeting is at 9am mountain even though I have it set for 16:00 UTC | 15:15 |
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| flip214 | yeah, the magic of DST and the integration in calendars. | 15:15 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 1 16:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| thingee | hi everyone! | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hello | 16:00 |
| rhe00 | hi | 16:00 |
| scottda | hey | 16:00 |
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| dulek | hi | 16:00 |
| thangp | o/ | 16:00 |
| thingee | some announcements | 16:00 |
| cebruns | Hi! | 16:00 |
| dustins | \o | 16:00 |
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| thingee | we have the liberty summit session proposals for cinder here http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/057383.html | 16:00 |
| ameade | 0/ | 16:00 |
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| rushil | \o | 16:00 |
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| thingee | we will be discussing these april 27th or earlier. stayed tuned for more details | 16:00 |
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| akerr | o/ | 16:01 |
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| thingee | deadline for volume drivers removed in Kilo is discussed here http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/059990.html | 16:01 |
| thingee | this is to be readded. | 16:01 |
| thingee | there were some good questions that came up with regards to tests needed to be ran, etc. | 16:01 |
| asselin | o/ | 16:01 |
| e0ne | thingee: do you mean April 29th? | 16:01 |
| thingee | so please read the thread | 16:02 |
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| thingee | e0ne: probably | 16:02 |
| e0ne | April 2th - it's a Monday | 16:02 |
| thingee | ok lets get started | 16:02 |
| thingee | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:02 |
| thingee | agenda for today ^ | 16:02 |
| Swanson | hi | 16:02 |
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| thingee | should be short. | 16:03 |
| deepakcs | hi | 16:03 |
| thingee | so I discourage us having to talk about volume drivers being readded. The way I'll be looking these over is just who has been reporting from now thru april 6th | 16:03 |
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| thingee | that's about it. either you're reporting or your not | 16:03 |
| thingee | but I'll let ameade add anything else | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:04 |
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| thingee | #topic proposal for netapp fc drivers to be readded | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "proposal for netapp fc drivers to be readded (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:04 | |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NetApp-Kilo-Fibre-Channel | 16:04 |
| ameade | thingee: sounds good, i have the revert patch up | 16:04 |
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| ameade | and the CI shall keep trucking | 16:04 |
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| winston-d | o/ | 16:04 |
| thingee | ameade: thanks | 16:04 |
| thingee | does anyone want to add anything to netapp's proposal? | 16:05 |
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| thingee | ok great | 16:05 |
| thingee | #topic open discussion | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:05 | |
| thingee | :) | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | Wow, that is it? | 16:06 |
| winston-d | 2 mins and then open discussion? | 16:06 |
| ameade | sweet i might get lunch today | 16:06 |
| winston-d | oh y | 16:06 |
| bswartz | is it time to talk about design summit yet? | 16:06 |
| thingee | bswartz: that was part of the announcements | 16:06 |
| bpoulos | i have a question about a security bug fix | 16:06 |
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| thingee | bpoulos: not here | 16:06 |
| bswartz | doh | 16:06 |
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| thingee | bpoulos: send me the link to the bug and we can keep the discussion there | 16:06 |
| bpoulos | thingee: ok, i'm just wanting to get its importance decided, where do I ask about that? | 16:07 |
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| thingee | bpoulos: pm me | 16:07 |
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| thingee | the link | 16:07 |
| bpoulos | thingee: ok, thanks | 16:07 |
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| dulek | thingee, jgriffith: Remember allocated_capacity bug related to TaskFlow? | 16:08 |
| thingee | dulek: yes | 16:08 |
| thingee | who could forget :) | 16:08 |
| thingee | I think jgriffith toss and turns at night still about it | 16:08 |
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| dulek | thingee, jgriffith: There's bug 1438744, that's relatively easy to fix, that's related to that issue | 16:09 |
| openstack | bug 1438744 in Cinder "AttributeError from _update_allocated_capacity upon create failure" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438744 - Assigned to Michal Dulko (michal-dulko-f) | 16:09 |
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| dulek | I've just didn't realized that driver may raise non-cinder exceptions | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | dulek: yeah | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:09 |
| dulek | I wonder if it would be possible to target it to rc | 16:09 |
| thingee | dulek: sure | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | dulek: umm... I thought you "fixed" that already? | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | oh... | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | ok... now I'm catching up :) | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | I just saw that. Small fix. If that is the right thing to do, it would be good to get in. | 16:10 |
| dulek | jgriffith: I thought that create_volume flow is repacking exceptions from the drivers. But it isn't. | 16:10 |
| dulek | So to fix that I just broaden except clause to all exceptions. | 16:10 |
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| dulek | Fix is there with simple regression UT, so it should be easy to review. :) | 16:11 |
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| winston-d | dulek: yeah, small fix, I think it's fine | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | dulek: I +2'd it. | 16:11 |
| thingee | excellent | 16:11 |
| thingee | anything else people want to add? | 16:11 |
| dulek | Thanks guys! :) | 16:11 |
| thingee | :) | 16:12 |
| thingee | alright keep the liberty summit proposals coming! | 16:12 |
| thingee | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/057383.html | 16:12 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 16:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 1 16:12:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-04-01-16.00.html | 16:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-04-01-16.00.txt | 16:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-04-01-16.00.log.html | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: I will send an e-mail to the mailing list when I have verified this but I think all the IBM CI issues have been resolved. | 16:12 |
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| deepakcs | eharney, can u +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163715/ (doc patch) ? | 16:12 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: thanks I started getting emails from maintainers | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: Good. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | I am a little behind. Tried to vacation a little. | 16:13 |
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| hemna | what's a vacation ? | 16:13 |
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| cebruns | hemna: lol | 16:14 |
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| e0ne | :) | 16:14 |
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| deepakcs | thingee, when do we open up to accept liberty specs | 16:16 |
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| thingee | deepakcs: see http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-03-18-16.00.log.html#l-337 | 16:19 |
| thingee | deepakcs: tldr, finish kilo-rc | 16:19 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting trainers | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 1 18:03:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trainers' | 18:03 |
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| sarob | Salman you around? | 18:05 |
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| sarob | For the record ten | 18:06 |
| sarob | Then | 18:06 |
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| sarob | We are doing another cycle training | 18:08 |
| sarob | Starting with Devstack this thurs Sunnyvale ho | 18:08 |
| sarob | Hp | 18:08 |
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| sarob | The user group events team has put together a list of summit talks as events | 18:09 |
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| sarob | We will start intergrating training into that list | 18:09 |
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| sarob | Training guides has the html automation almost done | 18:10 |
| sarob | We will branch juno once that is complete | 18:10 |
| sarob | The slides will be up to date by then as well | 18:11 |
| sarob | That is all for now | 18:11 |
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| sarob | #info new training session hp Sunnyvale this thurs | 18:12 |
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| sarob | #info new slide content automation within weeks | 18:12 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 1 18:12:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-04-01-18.03.html | 18:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-04-01-18.03.txt | 18:12 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting delayed starting for about 10 minutes | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 1 19:06:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:06 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:06 |
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| peluse | party on | 19:06 |
| jrichli | here | 19:06 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:06 |
| kota_ | o/ | 19:06 |
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| tdasilva | hi | 19:06 |
| clayg | sorry for the delay! | 19:06 |
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| clayg | thanks | 19:06 |
| notmyname | no worries | 19:06 |
| clayg | notmyname: you're too kind | 19:06 |
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| acoles | hi | 19:07 |
| torgomatic | 😎 | 19:07 |
| peluse | 19:07 | |
| cschwede | hello | 19:07 |
| notmyname | so, first up, I want to say how great it is to work with everyone. ec has, by far, been the best community-driven feature in swift--so many people from everywhere spending a lot of time and effort helping out | 19:07 |
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| ho | hi | 19:07 |
| notmyname | thank you. it's great to see | 19:07 |
| notmyname | so that said, let's dive in... | 19:08 |
| peluse | for sure | 19:08 |
| petertr7 | o/ | 19:08 |
| notmyname | #topic EC | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:08 |
| notmyname | first, what's the current status? | 19:08 |
| peluse | where do we start?? | 19:08 |
| notmyname | peluse: acoles: clayg: ? | 19:08 |
| peluse | clayg, you wanna go first? | 19:08 |
| notmyname | well, hang on | 19:08 |
| notmyname | first I want to make sure everyone is up to speed | 19:08 |
| notmyname | before we cover what's to be done next | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | so the plan is to get stuff on feature/ec (as we've been doing). then clayg is restructuring it for merge to master on feature/ec_review. then we'll land that on master | 19:09 |
| notmyname | as described at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ec_merge_plan | 19:09 |
| peluse | nice! | 19:09 |
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| * clayg double checks the plan | 19:10 | |
| acoles | theres a plan? ;) | 19:10 |
| clayg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ec_merge_plan | 19:10 |
| peluse | too late, you already signed up :) | 19:10 |
| clayg | is that how it works? | 19:10 |
| notmyname | clayg: yup | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | clayg: now it will be in the official meeting notes | 19:10 |
| notmyname | so, does that make sense for everyone? I want to make sure we know what's happening | 19:10 |
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| acoles | makes sense | 19:11 |
| cutforth | hello, my apologies i am late | 19:11 |
| peluse | yup, to be clear though we're still cleaning up a lot of last minute stuff - not that the restructuring can't start but don't want to give everyone the impression the feature/ec is "done" right now | 19:11 |
| notmyname | cutforth: just getting started | 19:11 |
| cschwede | makes sense to me too | 19:11 |
| notmyname | peluse: ok | 19:11 |
| ho | make sense to me too :) | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | ho: kota_: mattoliverau: make sense to you? | 19:11 |
| cutforth | notmyname: good, not too late | 19:12 |
| mattoliverau | yup | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | great | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | ok, so peluse, acoles, clayg, where are we on feature/ec (first. later I'll ask about feature/ec_review) | 19:13 |
| kota_ | notmyname: ya | 19:13 |
| peluse | OK, some high level things first: | 19:13 |
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| peluse | - feature/ec merged from master today so up to date there | 19:13 |
| clayg | peluse: thanks! | 19:13 |
| notmyname | good | 19:13 |
| peluse | - I didn't scrub trello today but it does need scrubbing, a few of the items are done as part of other fine work from acoles and clay over the weekend | 19:13 |
| clayg | peluse: you had a long weekend | 19:14 |
| peluse | and for my part the guts of the reconstructor are getting close... lots of fantastic comments. Rework still WIP ETA EOD today. Lots of related work from acoels and clayg that they can comment on | 19:14 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:14 |
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| clayg | #action scrub trello | 19:15 |
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| peluse | scrub-a-dub-dub | 19:15 |
| notmyname | peluse: there was an issue found with pyeclib/liberasure code. does that impact us? | 19:15 |
| peluse | sorta | 19:15 |
| * clayg is a haX0r | 19:15 | |
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| peluse | if we can squeeze it in it'd be nice if not we have a workaround at a small penatly (perf and overhead) | 19:15 |
| peluse | doing a decode instead of reconstruct is all... | 19:15 |
| notmyname | clayg is all over the meeting logistics this week | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | peluse: ok. any requirements changes needed? | 19:16 |
| peluse | well, I shouldn't say small since we don't really know - seems like it would be small though :) | 19:16 |
| clayg | peluse: didn't kevin and tsg already fix it? can we sneak in a version bump? | 19:16 |
| notmyname | what happens if we can't get a dependency version bump? | 19:16 |
| peluse | no quirements change needed until new liberasurecode is available. they did indeed fix it, I'm not sure where it stands on release | 19:16 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | if it's ready soon, I can help work on getting it into global requirments | 19:17 |
| clayg | notmyname: it's not needed - we don't change the code to remove the hack until we can get the new depency version - the hack is fine, the failure mode for not working around with a hack is sucks | 19:17 |
| peluse | tsg looks away right now, I will send an email and ask for latest status on release | 19:17 |
| notmyname | clayg: ok | 19:17 |
| notmyname | peluse: thanks | 19:17 |
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| notmyname | ok, what else on feature/ec? | 19:18 |
| notmyname | sounds like peluse will have the reconstructor finished up today | 19:18 |
| acoles | for my part i'm focussed on ssync/reconstructor right now. in particular tests for the EC specific behavior are shaping up nicely. | 19:18 |
| clayg | #action peluse: change the commit message for ec-probe to not say wip | 19:18 |
| peluse | clayg, will do | 19:18 |
| notmyname | patch 164291 | 19:18 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164291/ | 19:18 |
| clayg | #info acoles is awesome | 19:18 |
| acoles | and i have added a few discussion cards to trrello where i have questions | 19:18 |
| peluse | second that!!!! | 19:18 |
| acoles | trrrrrreeellllo | 19:19 |
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| clayg | i have not looked at trello | 19:19 |
| jrichli | third that :-) | 19:19 |
| notmyname | acoles: what patch(es)? | 19:19 |
| acoles | just slipstreaming you guys;) | 19:19 |
| notmyname | acoles: so I can star/track them | 19:19 |
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| acoles | notmyname: min | 19:19 |
| clayg | something something per-policy-functests | 19:19 |
| clayg | that could just land on master and merge into feature/ec for all i care | 19:20 |
| acoles | patch 169052 | 19:20 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169052/ | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | starred. | 19:20 |
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| peluse | oh sweet, I didn't know that's where you were going to land the rest of the tests | 19:20 |
| clayg | acoles: that patch is really just reconstructor-2.0 - it's more of the same | 19:21 |
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| notmyname | acoles: is that the only one to track? | 19:21 |
| clayg | notmyname: torgomatic's multi-range GET is still on my nice-to-have list | 19:22 |
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| acoles | notmyname: from me yes, theres a ton of tests in patch 169052 that would be great to have reviewed | 19:22 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169052/ | 19:22 |
| notmyname | clayg: which one were you referring to? | 19:22 |
| notmyname | acoles: ok | 19:22 |
| notmyname | clayg: yes, same for me | 19:22 |
| clayg | notmyname: patch 166576 | 19:22 |
| patchbot | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166576/ | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | ok, so this is how I see this working | 19:22 |
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| clayg | notmyname: oh acoles reconstrcutor patch - he already pointed it out patch 169052 | 19:23 |
| patchbot | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169052/ | 19:23 |
| peluse | clayg, do you care if I just squash the EC probe test into the main reconstructor patch? No conflicts and makes testing a little quicker on ECrecon | 19:23 |
| notmyname | the feature/ec_review patches start to be proposed based on what's in feature/ec today. then as the other stuff lands on feature/ec, clayg grabs it and incorporates it onto feature/ec_review | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | clayg: ^^ does that make sense for you? | 19:24 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah that's basically what's doing - except by tomorrow (at the latest) i'll want to be pulling in the reconstrctor - so acoles and peluse better put a nail in it | 19:24 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | and for feature/ec_review, what's the status? I saw you had proposed some ec patches to master | 19:25 |
| acoles | clayg: what time tomorrow? | 19:25 |
| peluse | great question! engr time is 11:59 pm | 19:25 |
| clayg | peluse: ummm... i think i'd rather acoles patch be mushed in than the probetests - but I dont' really care - when it comes to master i'll probably add the probetest changes seperately | 19:25 |
| peluse | OK, will leave as is to avoid confusion. Its no big deal | 19:26 |
| clayg | we'll see what the proxy changes look like today - that will be the upper bound i'm willing to accept in a single change to master ;) | 19:26 |
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| clayg | peluse: i tend to just checkout the probe test change - then add fixes as git commit -a -m 'squash this to the other' | 19:26 |
| peluse | me too | 19:26 |
| clayg | then before git review ; git rebaise -i and move the fix into the ec change | 19:26 |
| clayg | well paphahhahshshshththththtttt wat are you whinging about!? | 19:26 |
| peluse | just making conversation is all :) | 19:27 |
| clayg | acoles: it's fine - get your rest - i'll pick up wahtever isn't done after I build the proxy change for ec_review | 19:27 |
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| clayg | notmyname: LET'S TALK ABOUT EC_REIVEW! | 19:27 |
| notmyname | clayg: did you intend to propose https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169614/ to master? | 19:27 |
| notmyname | clayg: ya, see my question above :-) | 19:27 |
| clayg | notmyname: doubtful - i don't know what i'm doing | 19:27 |
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| acoles | clayg: wait, i just remembered that your tomorrow is after mine :O | 19:27 |
| clayg | i branched from feature/ec_review - did it not get a default push target whatever? | 19:28 |
| clayg | notmyname: can you show me how ti gerrit? | 19:28 |
| notmyname | clayg: ya, I'll do that after the meeting | 19:28 |
| clayg | #active notmyname: teach clay how to feature/ec_review | 19:28 |
| notmyname | for anyone wondering why we're doing an ec_review, it's so that we can have a single merge commit for getting EC into swift. makes future debugging and history tracking simpler | 19:28 |
| clayg | yeah it'll be great! | 19:28 |
| notmyname | ok, so clayg what's up with feature/ec_review? | 19:29 |
| clayg | so.... topic is feature/ec_review? | 19:29 |
| notmyname | yes | 19:29 |
| clayg | ... | 19:29 |
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| clayg | #topic feature/ec_review | 19:29 |
| notmyname | #topic feature/ec_review | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | openstack likes me more ;-) | 19:29 |
| clayg | ummm.... i'm doing some git magic to find differences with master and feature/ec | 19:29 |
| clayg | i'm trying to pull them out into logical somewhat "service-level" changes | 19:30 |
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| clayg | I'm stealing relevant commit messages from feature/ec - but most of the time htere's no one message or author that covers the whole change I end up building | 19:30 |
| clayg | I'd like some help in this early stage basically just glancing at the diffs and seeing what needs to be in the commit message | 19:31 |
| clayg | summary - bullets - authorship | 19:31 |
| clayg | i have so far: | 19:31 |
| notmyname | clayg: for authorship, make liberal use of the "Co-Authored-By: <>" stanzas | 19:31 |
| clayg | storage policy changes (this is somewhat updated from feature/ec - so it could use some real review) | 19:31 |
| clayg | test updates (last time with sp merge i found it's just easier to get them out of the way) | 19:31 |
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| clayg | diskfile changes (big one - does all the suffix hashing stuff which won't make sense till laster, but made the test_diskfile pull easier) | 19:32 |
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| clayg | object server changes (this totally "works" - although the proxy doesn't really speak ec yet) | 19:32 |
| clayg | docs | 19:32 |
| clayg | docs will always be last | 19:32 |
| clayg | i'll keep inserting changes between docs and the last change | 19:32 |
| clayg | next up is proxy | 19:32 |
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| clayg | anyone that wants to review docs totally can - but I'd appreciate a push over chnage more than a bunch of todos | 19:33 |
| clayg | it's easy for me to grab the latest rev before I update the chain | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | ok | 19:33 |
| clayg | that's it! | 19:33 |
| notmyname | clayg: cool | 19:33 |
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| notmyname | so this afternoon we'll get the first ones in the chain up, and people can start reviewing them? | 19:34 |
| clayg | they're "up" now I suppose sp->object-server+docs | 19:34 |
| clayg | but appreantly on the wrong branch or something? so don't merge them :P | 19:34 |
| notmyname | (on master, but we're about to abandon those ;-) | 19:34 |
| clayg | i can keep the change-ids no? | 19:34 |
| notmyname | the different branch makes it weird | 19:35 |
| clayg | really? ok you know best | 19:35 |
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| notmyname | unique id in gerrit = (changeid, branch) | 19:35 |
| acoles | yep, i can confirm that from experience ^^ | 19:35 |
| clayg | notmyname: ok so but help with structure and commit messages | 19:35 |
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| clayg | notmyname: these changes were all written by lots of authors so the commit message should be a community effort too | 19:36 |
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| clayg | for changes in the middle of the change (even commit messages) it's easier to just post a diff/comment | 19:36 |
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| clayg | docs (the final in the chian) is the only one where a push won't force a bunch of OUTDATED - so there (and only there) you can push push push all over it and and wont' mess me up in the least! | 19:37 |
| notmyname | #info push over commits for docs. leave comments for others in the ev_review chain | 19:37 |
| clayg | I'll do my best to keep up with review comment fixes as they come in with one rebase per day as we did last time with sp | 19:37 |
| notmyname | any questions from anyone on this? | 19:37 |
| peluse | clear as a bell | 19:38 |
| mattoliverau | nope, maks sense | 19:38 |
| notmyname | for people reviewing, leave your review score. if you're core and you're the 2nd +2, then also approve it | 19:38 |
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| clayg | not yet tho ;) | 19:38 |
| notmyname | we'll have the first one with a -2 so nothing will land until that gets pulled | 19:38 |
| acoles | so this looks like its on master https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169615/ ? not feature/ec-review | 19:38 |
| peluse | notmyname, per tsg new PyECLib due out this Fri | 19:38 |
| notmyname | peluse: ok, thanks | 19:39 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: that will be abandoned | 19:39 |
| notmyname | anything else to cover on anything related to ec this week? | 19:39 |
| mattoliverau | i'm guessing | 19:39 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: right | 19:39 |
| acoles | ok | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | clayg: could go ahead and abandon all those | 19:40 |
| clayg | sigh | 19:40 |
| mattoliverau | once clayg knows how to ec-review :P | 19:40 |
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| clayg | hey man - i was told feature/ec_review was ready to go - that was a lie! | 19:41 |
| * notmyname feels bad | 19:41 | |
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| clayg | heh | 19:42 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/169897 fixes it | 19:42 |
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| clayg | notmyname: s'ok - i don't think we're going to run out of change-ids | 19:42 |
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| clayg | notmyname: yay! | 19:43 |
| notmyname | you can tell git review explicitly which branch to submit to, but that makes it default for that branch | 19:43 |
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| notmyname | ok, next up (briefly) | 19:43 |
| notmyname | #topic code stuff not ec | 19:43 |
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| notmyname | so the whole reason we're pushing on ec so much is because we've got a release coming up | 19:44 |
| notmyname | and, of course, there's more stuff than ec in the release | 19:44 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | I updated that with a few things that aren't EC that would be nice to get onto master | 19:44 |
| notmyname | if you're blocked on EC reviews, then looking at those is nice | 19:44 |
| notmyname | however | 19:44 |
| clayg | patch 167595 <- Select policy when running functional test | 19:45 |
| patchbot | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167595/ | 19:45 |
| notmyname | we don't want a ton landing on master. so don't approve the patches as the 2nd +2 | 19:45 |
| notmyname | and then after ec_review is landed on master, we can clean up the other stuff that is waiting | 19:45 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: on not approving - that means soft freeze is in effect? | 19:46 |
| notmyname | cschwede: correct. (seeing as clayg is already pushing ec_review patches | 19:46 |
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| cschwede | ok, thx | 19:46 |
| notmyname | I'll update the channel topic with that info | 19:46 |
| notmyname | and appropriately star the right patches so the dashboard is up to date | 19:47 |
| clayg | the real soft freeze starts when people start reviewing IMHO, if that's today or tomorrow then that's that - if there's some stuff we can land today we should do it IMHO | 19:47 |
| notmyname | any other code stuff that doesn't relate to ec? | 19:47 |
| notmyname | clayg: +1 | 19:47 |
| notmyname | cschwede: ya, so use your best judgement :-) | 19:47 |
| clayg | cschwede: acctually please by all means tell us what needs to be in kilo and looks ready according to your eyes | 19:48 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:48 |
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| cschwede | clayg: iirc nothing needs to be in kilo from master, just a few „would be nice to have“ - but that can land directly after EC landed as well? | 19:49 |
| notmyname | two non-code things I wanted to bring up briefly | 19:49 |
| clayg | cschwede: depends on how quickly we can approve the ec_review changes | 19:49 |
| notmyname | first, PTL elections are upcoming (nominations open next week I think) | 19:49 |
| clayg | I think next friday is a good deadline for rc1 | 19:49 |
| clayg | ooooooooohhhh | 19:50 |
| clayg | notmyname: you expecting any competetion? I can bang some heads if need be. | 19:50 |
| notmyname | second, by the end of next week we should have the room assignments for the summit | 19:50 |
| notmyname | clayg: no, but I thought it only fair to bring it up :-) | 19:50 |
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| notmyname | honestly, I don't want to spend too much time on summit prep this week. I'd rather tackle it next week after we've got more of ec_review done | 19:51 |
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| notmyname | and to clayg's point, yes we're still owrking towards the end of next week (april 10) as the target for RC1 | 19:51 |
| notmyname | any questions on anything? anything else to bring up? | 19:51 |
| clayg | we have a bunch of open sepcs | 19:52 |
| clayg | specs | 19:52 |
| notmyname | ya, I'd like to clean those up between EC and the summit | 19:52 |
| clayg | peluse: wtf is this -> patch 142146 | 19:52 |
| patchbot | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142146/ | 19:52 |
| notmyname | looks like docs | 19:53 |
| notmyname | ? | 19:55 |
| mattoliverau | I beleive it's peluse keeping the EC spec up to date :) | 19:55 |
| notmyname | ok, seems like we're done here today | 19:55 |
| notmyname | thank you everyone for coming, and thanks for working on swift :-) | 19:55 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 1 19:55:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-04-01-19.06.html | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-04-01-19.06.txt | 19:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-04-01-19.06.log.html | 19:55 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting product-team | 23:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 1 23:01:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_team' | 23:01 |
| sarob | Hey everyone | 23:01 |
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| sarob | I sent my updates just now to the mailing list | 23:01 |
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| barrett1 | Saw your email sarob | 23:02 |
| sarob | Barrett1: can you run the meeting in my place this time? | 23:02 |
| barrett1 | I updated the workflow diagram per the last meeting | 23:02 |
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| barrett1 | Yes, but not too familiar with the # stuff | 23:02 |
| sarob | I'll pop back in 30 minutes | 23:03 |
| barrett1 | OK | 23:03 |
| sarob | New job stuff ;) | 23:03 |
| barrett1 | I saw that - Congrats | 23:04 |
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| mscohen | sarob: congrats! | 23:05 |
| barrett1 | who's here for the product WG meeting? | 23:05 |
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| mscohen | i am. actually wanted to rally troops to help on summit talk on socialization | 23:06 |
| rolandchan | I am. | 23:06 |
| barrett1 | mscohen: let's cover that as part of the Summit agenda item | 23:06 |
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| barrett1 | I also wanted to share the work I've been doing on creating a rolling upgrade matrix | 23:07 |
| barrett1 | Let's start the meeting | 23:08 |
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| barrett1 | 1st topic: Review Summit Presentation Planning | 23:09 |
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| barrett1 | mscohen - can you give an update? | 23:09 |
| mscohen | sure | 23:09 |
| mscohen | we got a slot for the socialization talk | 23:09 |
| mscohen | and we actually have a lot of the feedback already from PTLs. | 23:10 |
| mscohen | Thing is — its either very low level or doesn’t really look as far out as we hoped | 23:10 |
| barrett1 | Who is the target auduence for the session? PTLs? Developers? Operators? | 23:10 |
| mscohen | Users / Operators was my idea. But open to input from others | 23:11 |
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| mscohen | I was thinking we could some of this talk to also introduce hte product group? | 23:11 |
| mscohen | our mission, etc? | 23:11 |
| mscohen | the time is right at the beginning of the summit | 23:11 |
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| barrett1 | I think introducing the team, mission, goals is good start | 23:11 |
| barrett1 | We should also plan to plug other sessions that are related - Telco Workgroup, Win The Enterprise, etc. | 23:12 |
| barrett1 | We target Operators/Users to gather requirements and write use cases | 23:12 |
| mscohen | yes, i was thinking we could start by introducing group, then offer feedback we got, then talk about the other other stuff group is doing | 23:12 |
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| mscohen | timewise, I think we can do that | 23:13 |
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| barrett1 | For the PTLs/Developers seems like we want to have a discussion on how the roadmap works within the development model | 23:13 |
| barrett1 | how much time do you have? | 23:13 |
| mscohen | i think its 45 minutes | 23:13 |
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| mscohen | standard size slot | 23:13 |
| mscohen | but the feedback readout really wont take a lot of that | 23:13 |
| mscohen | at least i don’t know it makes sense to go feature by feature. | 23:14 |
| mscohen | people will start to leave or throw tomatoes | 23:14 |
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| dttocs | Agreed, especially since we got quite varied feedback depending on the project/PTL | 23:14 |
| barrett1 | We could use this session to introduce the group, walk through the process, walk through use case template, walk through draft roadmap (I'm not sure about this though) | 23:15 |
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| barrett1 | We'd be looking for feedback and people to commit to helping write use cases that can populate the roadmap | 23:15 |
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| mscohen | yeah, thats what i ws thinking. we can expand the scope here to cover more of what we ard doing. | 23:15 |
| barrett1 | Then use the follow-up work group meeting to actually work with folks to write use cases, have deeper discussion on process, etc... ? | 23:16 |
| dttocs | I think we do want to do some stuff around the socialization - sorry I've been MIA, but we could try chasing down the missing PTLs and get more extensive feedback? | 23:16 |
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| dttocs | Not sure it's that valuable though | 23:16 |
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| barrett1 | I do think it would be good to complete the draft roadmap for all projects. | 23:16 |
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| barrett1 | We're only missing a couple: Nova, Trove, Ceilometer, I think... | 23:17 |
| barrett1 | Maybe Ironic too | 23:17 |
| mscohen | i talked to michael still about nova | 23:17 |
| mscohen | we’re missing cinder | 23:17 |
| dttocs | I'll chase Ironic again now that I'm back | 23:18 |
| mscohen | i will work on the cinder one. | 23:18 |
| barrett1 | I saw something in the socialization etherpad for Cinder. It's in the draft roadmap: https://docs.google.com/a/intel.com/presentation/d/1396hSpQuOYM-XbLenkY1HzNCwiWsk-uN42eofpTbOUY/edit#slide=id.g6394726ba_04 | 23:18 |
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| barrett1 | mscohen - Can you draft the content flow for the Summit and we can look at it in next meeting? | 23:19 |
| mscohen | yes | 23:19 |
| barrett1 | Thanks - if you create a google doc, you can always send out ahead of time for others to review/add content too | 23:20 |
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| Shamail_ | Hi everyone, sorry for being late. mscohen didn't you also post an etherpad for the content flow/ownership? I can't find it. | 23:20 |
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| mscohen | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-product-management-socialization | 23:20 |
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| barrett1 | Ready for the next topic? Product WG Plans for Summit? | 23:21 |
| Shamail_ | Awesome. | 23:21 |
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| Shamail_ | Sounds good to me. | 23:22 |
| barrett1 | OK - Sean has requested a room for us, near the WTE meeting room | 23:22 |
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| Shamail_ | Nice. Do we have any agenda items that we want to discuss yet? | 23:22 |
| barrett1 | I think we should have a cross team discussion with them, as well as Telco WG and any others that we can identify as working around roadmap items | 23:23 |
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| Shamail | I would like to use some of the time, if possible, to discuss and outline the plan between Vancouver and Tokyo. Identify action items to be ready by the desired timeframe. | 23:23 |
| barrett1 | completely agree | 23:23 |
| Shamail | +1 barrett1 | 23:24 |
| Shamail | We can use some of the time for cross team discussions and an overview of the concept as a whole | 23:24 |
| barrett1 | +1 and give the other teams some timelines for providing use cases for the 1st rev of the roadmap? | 23:25 |
| Shamail | +1 | 23:25 |
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| Shamail | Do we know how long we will have the room? | 23:26 |
| barrett1 | Not sure how long the session is ,but assume 55 mins. Maybe spend 30 mins with the cross groups, and 30 mins with Product WG only? | 23:26 |
| Shamail | Sounds great. Would people be interested in a separate session? | 23:27 |
| barrett1 | I actually think we could use 2 sessions - 1 with other teams, operators, etc and 1 with our work group team to set next steps. | 23:27 |
| Shamail | I have a meeting room that can fit up to 12 that is be happy to leverage for a longer WG discussion | 23:27 |
| barrett1 | +1 shamail | 23:27 |
| rolandchan | I think we'll need one. | 23:27 |
| Shamail | I think planning for Tokyo will be more than 30 min ;) | 23:27 |
| barrett1 | +1 shmail | 23:27 |
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| barrett1 | sorry - shamail | 23:28 |
| Shamail | Let's put up a doodle poll for time preferences. I'll block the meeting room I have. It will be cozy if we have more than 12. | 23:28 |
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| barrett1 | We can also see if there are other rooms available from the Foundation folks | 23:28 |
| barrett1 | I'll check with them & keep you and sarob in the loop | 23:29 |
| Shamail | Sounds good. Let's have an unofficial meet-up in Vancouver then. :). | 23:29 |
| Shamail | Thanks barrett1 | 23:29 |
| barrett1 | perfect! | 23:29 |
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| Shamail | Will you send out the doodle poll or should I? | 23:29 |
| Shamail | Can you log an #action if chair? | 23:30 |
| barrett1 | Shamail - pls go ahead and send out the doodle. ready for the next topic? Socialization progress? | 23:30 |
| barrett1 | I'm not sure if I'm the chair. will try. | 23:30 |
| barrett1 | #action | 23:30 |
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| Shamail | The meeting of Sleepy Hollow, no head. | 23:30 |
| barrett1 | LOL | 23:30 |
| Shamail | Ready for next one I guess. | 23:30 |
| barrett1 | Ready for the next topic? Socialization progress? | 23:31 |
| barrett1 | OK - From the etherpad it looks like we still need some PTL input | 23:31 |
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| Shamail | mscohen: here? | 23:31 |
| mscohen | yes | 23:31 |
| mscohen | there are defintiely a few blanks | 23:32 |
| Shamail | I can attempt cinder if that's still blank | 23:32 |
| mscohen | cinder we actually have - looks like it has its own etherpad :) | 23:32 |
| Shamail | Ah; missed it. | 23:32 |
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| mscohen | but trove ceilometer ironic are missed | 23:32 |
| Shamail | Which ones are open? Any of them need help? | 23:32 |
| barrett1 | I wonder if Shamail could distill that into the key elements? | 23:33 |
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| Shamail | I'll review the cinder etherpad | 23:33 |
| Shamail | I can try reaching out to Ironic | 23:33 |
| barrett1 | still missing: nova, celiometer, trove, ironic | 23:33 |
| barrett1 | Thanks Shamail. | 23:33 |
| Shamail | Nova is a big gap | 23:33 |
| mscohen | nova i got | 23:34 |
| barrett1 | I can try for Ceilometer | 23:34 |
| Shamail | Sweet! | 23:34 |
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| mscohen | will actually update the etherpad though :) | 23:34 |
| Shamail | That's good news mscohen | 23:34 |
| Shamail | Thanks barrett1 | 23:34 |
| barrett1 | excellent mscohen!! | 23:34 |
| mscohen | yes, it was too big a gap to let slide | 23:34 |
| Shamail | mscohen: do you want to set a stake in the ground for us getting back to you? And completing the remaining ones? | 23:34 |
| barrett1 | Can you send a note to the ML when you add the info into the etherpad? | 23:34 |
| mscohen | does anyone want to volunteer to help with others | 23:35 |
| mscohen | we have three - celiometer, trove, ironic | 23:35 |
| Shamail | Trove seems to be the only in allocated one | 23:35 |
| Shamail | Unallocated | 23:35 |
| barrett1 | Anyone know who the PTL is for that? | 23:36 |
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| mscohen | i’ve had reasonably good luck with emails to folks. although others have had less i’ve heard. | 23:37 |
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| Shamail | Nikhil Manchanda is PTLS | 23:38 |
| Shamail | PTL* | 23:38 |
| barrett1 | I'll take a shot at Trove | 23:38 |
| Shamail | We probably want to collect data and then collectively format, etc. as a part of the preparation for the summit session right? How much time do we need to plan for? | 23:39 |
| barrett1 | We'll probably need a couple of weeks for that. | 23:39 |
| mscohen | its going to take time tofigure out how to make it useful to people | 23:39 |
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| mscohen | we have lots of feedback for kilo but it tails off very quickly | 23:39 |
| barrett1 | Can we target getting the rest of the info by end of next week, so we can look at in the next team meeting? | 23:40 |
| mscohen | For M there is not much | 23:40 |
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| barrett1 | mscohen - I think that's pretty consistent with the rest of the feedback | 23:40 |
| Shamail | That's fine. We can document what we have and the lack of data on M validates the need for longer term planning | 23:40 |
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| mscohen | ok, so for the record, who is talking to ceiometer? malini had signed up for it. | 23:41 |
| barrett1 | I'll take ceilometer | 23:41 |
| mscohen | and also for ironic? scott are you on this? your name is on the etherpad | 23:41 |
| Shamail | I can take it if necessary. First opportunity to Scott though. | 23:42 |
| mscohen | btw, i have also created this doc to try to put this in one place. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kupS0hXh9aA15dJOs2A8XHbrisvnls94F7thJekT4jk/edit#gid=0 | 23:42 |
| mscohen | i will reference it in the etherpad too | 23:42 |
| Shamail | Awesome barrett1 | 23:42 |
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| Shamail | mscohen and barrett1 are we trying to be ready by next meeting? That would be two weeks from today. | 23:42 |
| barrett1 | +1 | 23:43 |
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| mscohen | yes, we need to wrap this up. we are very close | 23:43 |
| barrett1 | Once we have the info, I wonder if we should try to have a working session - either f2f or call ? | 23:43 |
| Shamail | Great. | 23:43 |
| Shamail | I can make a call since I'm east coast. | 23:44 |
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| mscohen | barrett1: agree. could help with slides / flow of preso as well | 23:44 |
| Shamail | I think call + google docs might be good | 23:44 |
| Shamail | +1 count me in | 23:44 |
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| barrett1 | OK - Let's see where we are in the next meeting and get something scheduled | 23:44 |
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| Shamail | Perfect | 23:44 |
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| barrett1 | Ready for next topic? | 23:45 |
| barrett1 | Including other teams? | 23:45 |
| Shamail | Yep! | 23:45 |
| Shamail | I think we kind of touched on this during the summit topic | 23:45 |
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| Shamail | Does it make sense to draft an email to the various mailing lists ahead of time? | 23:46 |
| barrett1 | Seems like there are 2 parts - Identify which teams are related to the roadmap effort and then make contact | 23:46 |
| Shamail | Introduce ourselves, ask them to join in, and notify of a possible session in Vancouver | 23:46 |
| Shamail | barrett1: +1 agreed on two parts | 23:46 |
| barrett1 | Would you send this to Openstack all? | 23:47 |
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| Shamail | That's probably appropriate but we have to state that we are still forming, need use-cases, etc. | 23:47 |
| Shamail | We could email ALL for notification of meeting, state our current progress, and what we plan to share in Vancouver. Thoughts? | 23:48 |
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| Shamail | Or the other option would be to identify teams and email their ML | 23:48 |
| Shamail | Telco, etc | 23:48 |
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| Shamail | My preference would be to email all, but be specific in participation goals and progress. | 23:49 |
| barrett1 | How about we send an email out to everyone, and see if we get much response. | 23:49 |
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| Shamail | barrett1: +1 can you draft in ether-pad and post the link to our ML? | 23:50 |
| barrett1 | We can follow that up with emails to specific mail lists if we don't think we're reaching the right folks. | 23:50 |
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| barrett1 | Yes, I'll draft and send link to ML | 23:50 |
| Shamail | Roger. | 23:50 |
| Shamail | Thanks | 23:50 |
| Shamail | Is that it for this topic for now? | 23:51 |
| barrett1 | 1 last thing I'd like to share before we break | 23:51 |
| barrett1 | I referred to a matrix I was putting together for rolling upgrades and I got requests to see it | 23:52 |
| barrett1 | Here's a link to the current draft: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iT0XraW8ORGk2fb1bJMigE6wWdKK6YgrNB4ishPOc1M/edit#gid=1668081475 | 23:52 |
| Shamail | Nice! Is this from the WTE efforts on upgrades? | 23:52 |
| barrett1 | Still lots of info needed - would appreciate help. | 23:53 |
| Shamail | I'm mobile but I'll definitely check it out. | 23:53 |
| barrett1 | Shamail - yes, this is from the deployment team | 23:53 |
| barrett1 | OK - let me know what you think. | 23:53 |
| Shamail | Will do. | 23:53 |
| barrett1 | Anything else we want to cover? | 23:53 |
| Shamail | How was attendance today by the way? I joined late so not sure how many people are here. | 23:53 |
| Shamail | Does this time work? | 23:53 |
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| barrett1 | Seems light, but I think we have folks out for spring break and easter holiday | 23:54 |
| rolandchan | does for me. I think we had the usual level of attendance today. | 23:54 |
| Shamail | True. Alright, sounds good. | 23:54 |
| barrett1 | You're asking a good question Shamail, let's revisit in next meeting | 23:54 |
| Shamail | We are a small group anyway. :) | 23:54 |
| Shamail | Sounds good barrett1 | 23:55 |
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| barrett1 | Let's call it a wrap for this week - meet again in 2 weeks | 23:55 |
| Shamail | Take care barrett1, mscohen, rolandchan, and sarob | 23:55 |
| barrett1 | same to you Shamail | 23:55 |
| barrett1 | bye | 23:55 |
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| rolandchan | cheers. hope you get long weekends in your jurisdictions :) | 23:56 |
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| sarob_ | All done ? | 23:58 |
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