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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:09 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 8 14:09:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:09 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | yfried: ping | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | redixin: ping | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ping | 14:09 |
| amaretskiy | hi | 14:09 |
| msdubov_ | hi | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_: hi | 14:09 |
| yfried | hi | 14:09 |
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| skraynev | hi | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | skraynev: hi there | 14:11 |
| e0ne | hi | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: ping | 14:11 |
| stpierre | pong | 14:11 |
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| boris-42 | so let's start=) | 14:12 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Plugin base finally=) | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Plugin base finally=) (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:12 | |
| boris-42 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160142/10 | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | ^ more or less I finished it | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | one more bonus that it adds (except removal of copy pasted code & unfification of plugins) | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | is that we will get namespaces for plugins | 14:13 |
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| yfried | boris-42: great | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | which is crucial if we are going to benchmark other ecosystems | 14:13 |
| yfried | boris-42: although pboldin seems to disagree :) | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | e.g. doker | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | yfried: it's okay=) | 14:14 |
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| boris-42 | so this is actually one of blocker for cutting Rally 0.1.0 release | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | so please review it! | 14:14 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's move to next topic | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | #topic Rally core structure changes | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rally core structure changes (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:15 | |
| boris-42 | We don't scale enough and if we add more projects this will be even worse | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | so I introduced 2 types of cores | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | cores that are reviewing everything | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | and cores that are reviewing plugins that are specific for their project | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | (usually cores of those projects) | 14:16 |
| yfried | boris-42: is this enforced by gerrit, or just good will? | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | yfried: sooo. I know how to enforce it by gerrit | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | yfried: but community was against and they said that I am very bad person and rally project sux=) | 14:17 |
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| boris-42 | yfried: and I should trust people | 14:17 |
| yfried | boris-42: let's not get into this. | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | yfried: so we will just use Trust model | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | yfried: I will keep up-to-date this page https://rally.readthedocs.org/en/latest/project_info.html | 14:17 |
| yfried | boris-42: do you have the auth to set gerrit as you suggested | 14:18 |
| yfried | ? | 14:18 |
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| boris-42 | yfried: I am not allowed to touch gerrit | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | yfried: as I said I proposed this to mailing list... | 14:18 |
| yfried | boris-42: why not go with the +A module accepted in Neutron? seems like it's a halfway solution | 14:18 |
| yfried | boris-42: I've read the thread. | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | yfried: I don't like trust model | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | yfried: if we use trust model there is no difference | 14:19 |
| yfried | boris-42: I agree | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | yfried: between neutron stuff and our | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | yfried: we just trust cores from other project to maintain their plugins | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | yfried: and they just said that they won't +2 patches not related to their topic | 14:19 |
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| boris-42 | yfried: I think overall it's good, just sad that it's not automated | 14:20 |
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| yfried | boris-42: so , IIUC, the Neutorn module says "leutantnats" can +2 but not +A | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | yfried: the same here | 14:21 |
| yfried | boris-42: ok. so we go with trust. | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | yfried: a bit actually better if full core put +2 | 14:21 |
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| boris-42 | yfried: they can +2+A | 14:22 |
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| yfried | boris-42: let's just have it on record that patches can't touch plugins and "core" at the same time | 14:22 |
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| yfried | boris-42: what do you think? | 14:22 |
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| boris-42 | yfried: this will be enforced | 14:22 |
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| boris-42 | yfried: by nerd reviewer some day | 14:23 |
| yfried | boris-42: for now, can it be in doc as policy? | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | yfried: so where you would like to put this? | 14:23 |
| yfried | boris-42: don't know. isn't msdubov_ our doc guru? | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | yfried: heh | 14:24 |
| yfried | boris-42: the same place we state that you can't reduce coverage | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | yfried: so probably just in project_info | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | yfried: reducing coverage is automated IMHO | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | yfried: like it won't just pass CI | 14:24 |
| yfried | boris-42: doesn't meen it shouldn't be written in doc | 14:25 |
| yfried | boris-42: new contrib should be able to read all the guidlines | 14:25 |
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| boris-42 | yfried: hm we have testing guidlines | 14:25 |
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| boris-42 | yfried: https://github.com/openstack/rally/tree/master/tests | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | yfried: but not sure that passing CI should be documented | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | yfried: it's obvious, no? | 14:26 |
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| yfried | boris-42: the TYPE of CI should be doc. so ppl can easily understand what the job is testing and what they are required to do. but we are digressing. let's go back to mtg | 14:27 |
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| boris-42 | yfried: in any case description of coverage job should go here | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | yfried: https://github.com/openstack/rally/tree/master/tests | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | yfried: and non touching framework & plugins should go somehwere else | 14:28 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's move to next topic | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | #topic Rally as a Lib & Rally as a Service (finally) | 14:30 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov_: ping | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_: could you share efforts? | 14:30 |
| msdubov_ | boris-42: sure | 14:30 |
| msdubov_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182245/ | 14:30 |
| msdubov_ | For now, we have a spec describing future changes ^ | 14:31 |
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| msdubov_ | The spec includes several code snippets describing the way we're going to implement RaaS to make it simple to use Rally both in local and in RPC mode | 14:31 |
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| yfried | msdubov_: nice | 14:32 |
| msdubov_ | There are also several proposals on changing the API itself, to move all DB/object calls there, to make CLI thin etc. | 14:32 |
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| msdubov_ | yfried: Please review it! | 14:32 |
| yfried | msdubov_: will do | 14:32 |
| msdubov_ | eom | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_: nice work | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_: i will review it as well soon | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_: there is a plenty amount of work to do | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_: I believe we will need to cut 0.2.0 to get all these changes in | 14:33 |
| msdubov_ | boris-42: Maybe | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_: seems like not maybe=) | 14:33 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's move to next topic | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | #topic Infra updates | 14:34 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: please could you share all thing that you are working on now? | 14:34 |
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| redixin | im trying to speed up testing change requests in rally | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | redixin: around? | 14:36 |
| redixin | we split one big rally job to 3 small jobs. we need to merge one patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185031/ | 14:37 |
| redixin | because now we only testing only ~33% of scenarios =) | 14:38 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: 33% ? | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | redixin: what?) | 14:38 |
| redixin | oh no =) | 14:39 |
| redixin | we testing all scenarios, but in one job | 14:39 |
| redixin | anyway after merging that patch we still have one slow job | 14:40 |
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| redixin | rally-verify | 14:40 |
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| redixin | and rally-cli | 14:40 |
| redixin | two slow jobs | 14:41 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: so rally-veriy will be refactored | 14:41 |
| e0ne | boris-42, redixin: we need to add more scenarios to gates for openstack components | 14:41 |
| boris-42 | redixin: andreykurilin is working on it | 14:42 |
| boris-42 | redixin: rally-dsvm-cli I don't know how to refactor it, could we get at least timings of tests? | 14:42 |
| redixin | boris-42: rally-verify will be splitted too? | 14:42 |
| boris-42 | redixin: so we will know the slowest one? | 14:42 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: nope | 14:42 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: just we will run not so big tempest sets | 14:42 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: so now we have more jobs | 14:43 |
| redixin | so we have only unsolved slow tox -ecli | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | redixin: yep we need to find the way to display duration | 14:43 |
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| redixin | e0ne currently we have jobs for heat, nova, neutron and one jobs for the rest | 14:43 |
| e0ne | boris-42: we add new scenarios to rally. e.g. in cinder repo we don't have all of cinder scenarios:(. my fail | 14:44 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: so it's not big deal | 14:44 |
| redixin | e0ne feel free to add new sceanarios to appropriate file in rally-jobs/ | 14:44 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: yep | 14:44 |
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| e0ne | boris-42, redixin: imo, need to add a note about it to the contibutor's guide | 14:45 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: ? | 14:45 |
| redixin | e0ne +1 | 14:45 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: you mean to add note in rally project to add in jobs of cinder? | 14:45 |
| e0ne | boris-42: yep | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: it's not enough to have readme in cidner? | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/tree/master/rally-jobs ? | 14:46 |
| e0ne | personally, i forget to do it almost evety time:( | 14:46 |
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| redixin | boris-42: how do people know where to add newly created scenarios? | 14:47 |
| e0ne | boris-42: the problem is that people can contribute to rally and don't read readme in cinder or nova or heat or etc:( | 14:47 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: e0ne and where we should add such readme? | 14:47 |
| boris-42 | here https://github.com/openstack/rally/tree/master/rally/plugins/openstack ? | 14:47 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: ^ | 14:47 |
| redixin | boris-42: is there a "rally contributor guide"? | 14:47 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: there is | 14:48 |
| boris-42 | redixin: https://rally.readthedocs.org/en/latest/contribute.html | 14:48 |
| boris-42 | redixin: not sure that anybody is reading it twice | 14:48 |
| boris-42 | I believe that we should put here small noet | 14:48 |
| boris-42 | note* | 14:48 |
| boris-42 | https://rally.readthedocs.org/en/latest/contribute.html | 14:48 |
| boris-42 | https://github.com/openstack/rally/tree/master/rally/plugins/openstack ** | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | here ^ | 14:49 |
| e0ne | boris-42: +1 | 14:49 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: be free to add it lol=) | 14:50 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: your idea=) | 14:50 |
| e0ne | hm... | 14:50 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: =)) | 14:50 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: okay someday somebody will add it | 14:50 |
| e0ne | boris-42: sounds like not a good plan | 14:51 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: no worries=) | 14:53 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: I am going to cleanup all Readme files | 14:53 |
| boris-42 | during that cleanup I will add some note as well in rally/plugins/* | 14:54 |
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| boris-42 | okay | 14:56 |
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| boris-42 | #topic free disucssion | 14:56 |
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| boris-42 | Does anybody has to say anything? | 14:56 |
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| boris-42 | Thank you for coming and seems like we are out of time. So see you next week | 14:58 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 8 14:58:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-06-08-14.09.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-06-08-14.09.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-06-08-14.09.log.html | 14:58 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 8 15:02:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:02 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:02 |
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| ctlaugh_ | hi | 15:02 |
| anteaya | morning ctlaugh_ | 15:02 |
| anteaya | or appropriate time of day for you | 15:02 |
| ctlaugh_ | :) | 15:02 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:03 |
| asselin_ | hi | 15:03 |
| anteaya | morning asselin_ | 15:03 |
| * anteaya knows it is morning for asselin_ | 15:03 | |
| ameade | o/ | 15:03 |
| akerr | o/ | 15:03 |
| anteaya | hey ameade | 15:03 |
| lennyb | hi | 15:03 |
| asselin_ | good morning :) happy monday :) | 15:03 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 15:03 |
| anteaya | and to you | 15:03 |
| anteaya | so what shall we talk about today? | 15:03 |
| anteaya | anyone have anything on their mind? | 15:04 |
| marcusvrn | hi | 15:04 |
| anteaya | asselin_: did you want to post a link to your email to the infra list about the virtual sprint? | 15:04 |
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| asselin_ | yeah...looking it up | 15:05 |
| anteaya | perhaps we can start there | 15:05 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:05 |
| asselin_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/065876.html | 15:05 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:05 |
| asselin_ | I'm proposing a virtual sprint for the common ci solution in early July | 15:06 |
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| asselin_ | after the us and canada holidays | 15:06 |
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| asselin_ | goal is, after the virtual sprint, to have 3rd party ci and upstream infra using the same puppet modules to setup a ci system | 15:06 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 15:07 |
| anteaya | the email links to an etherpad | 15:07 |
| anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/common-ci-sprint | 15:07 |
| lennyb | I have a VM or two that can be used for testing | 15:07 |
| anteaya | lennyb: wonderful thank you | 15:08 |
| asselin_ | lennyb, that's be great! yes, right now there's lots of patches that need manual testing and critical reviews | 15:08 |
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| asselin_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:downstream-puppet+status:open,n,z | 15:08 |
| anteaya | asselin_: in addition to folks knowing about it, do you need anything else from them? | 15:08 |
| ctlaugh_ | I can help test | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | ctlaugh_: wonderful thank you | 15:09 |
| asselin_ | there's a lot of patches. I think the ones related to 'jenkins' should be close to merging | 15:09 |
| asselin_ | so if we can focus on that this week, we can get another one done | 15:09 |
| anteaya | asselin_: good plan | 15:09 |
| anteaya | asselin_: have you had any feedback on dates at all? | 15:10 |
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| asselin_ | nothing not already publuc | 15:10 |
| anteaya | asselin_: are you comfortable making July 8 and 9 the dates for the sprint | 15:11 |
| asselin_ | seems those dates are good except devvesa | 15:11 |
| anteaya | removing the uncertainty there | 15:11 |
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| asselin_ | yes, can confirm those dates. | 15:11 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:11 |
| anteaya | we can never get everybody | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | and hopefully there will be enough access to artifacts that devvesa can follow along | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | any questions or comments on this topic? | 15:12 |
| asselin_ | yes, we can also plan to focus on jenkins job builder (his area) e.g. next week after jenkins merges. | 15:12 |
| anteaya | awesome | 15:12 |
| anteaya | another good plan | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | are we okay to move on now? | 15:13 |
| asselin_ | yes, thanks | 15:13 |
| anteaya | great, thank you | 15:13 |
| anteaya | I really appreciate you setting this up | 15:13 |
| anteaya | and all your consistent hard work making this happen | 15:14 |
| anteaya | so now let's take a look at this spec | 15:14 |
| anteaya | it is a spec for a ci dashboard | 15:14 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170/ | 15:14 |
| anteaya | this spec started last november | 15:14 |
| anteaya | and is taking a long time | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | one possible solution that the spec aims to build already exists | 15:15 |
| anteaya | and the code is in stackforge | 15:15 |
| anteaya | to my way of thinking we could choose to do the useful thing here and stand it up | 15:15 |
| anteaya | I'm interested in hearing other folks thoughts | 15:15 |
| anteaya | anybody care to speak up? | 15:16 |
| krtaylor | I was going to propose in this weeks working group meeting that we abandon this spec | 15:16 |
| krtaylor | everyone is already using patrickeast's | 15:16 |
| anteaya | are you able to put a comment to that effect on the spec now? | 15:16 |
| krtaylor | sure, np | 15:16 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:16 |
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| asselin_ | yeah, my concern at this point is that there's no one to work on the spec even if it's approved. | 15:17 |
| anteaya | yes I share that concern | 15:17 |
| asselin_ | I can add that too | 15:17 |
| krtaylor | it was just too much to drop all at once, and then sweston got busy | 15:17 |
| anteaya | I really like steve and think he is a wonderful person | 15:17 |
| anteaya | and am grateful for all his hard work | 15:17 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, +1 | 15:17 |
| anteaya | however he is busy on other things | 15:17 |
| anteaya | which I also respect | 15:17 |
| krtaylor | yes, it represents a tremendous amount of work | 15:17 |
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| asselin_ | anteaya, so along the lines of what you were mentioning, perhaps we can get patrick east's solution up in -infra? | 15:18 |
| asselin_ | on an openstack.org hosted site? | 15:18 |
| anteaya | anyone feel like offering a spec that we propose to stand up patrick's dashboard in infra? | 15:18 |
| anteaya | asselin_: good idea | 15:18 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:18 |
| sweston | krtaylor: you rang? :-) may I have a moment to read the scrollback? | 15:18 |
| anteaya | sweston: hey there | 15:19 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast 's is already in the third-party-tools repo, we should re-spec it to include things it needs to get it to stage 1 | 15:19 |
| anteaya | sweston: we were admiring how much hard work you do | 15:19 |
| sweston | anteaya: hello, anteaya | 15:19 |
| krtaylor | sweston, re: monitoring spec | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | sweston: and acknowledging that your ci dashboard spec is kind of pointless as we already have a dashboard folks us | 15:19 |
| anteaya | sweston: so it would be easier all the way around if we just use that | 15:20 |
| anteaya | sweston: and we wanted to acknowledge how much we appreicate your hard work on this | 15:20 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | krtaylor: no patrick's doesn't need to include anything else | 15:21 |
| anteaya | that is the point | 15:21 |
| anteaya | it works now, stand it up | 15:21 |
| krtaylor | agreed, and it is | 15:21 |
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| anteaya | trying to make a dash do everything is what ensured it couldn't get built | 15:21 |
| krtaylor | it would be nice to have it in infra though | 15:21 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, +1...it can be updated as needed just like the rest of infra services | 15:21 |
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| krtaylor | exactly | 15:21 |
| anteaya | yes, it would be nice to have infra stand it up, let's focus on that | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | asselin_: yes, once it is stood up | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | sweston: you okay with this? | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | sweston: noone wants you to feel that we don't appreciate your work because we do | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | sweston: we are just trying to solve the problem here | 15:22 |
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| sweston | anteaya, krtaylor thanks for the recognition ... I appreciate it ... need a moment to formulate a thought, am feeling surprised | 15:23 |
| anteaya | sweston: I know it is important to you to contribute, and there are still lots of ways for you to do so, if you agree we can abandon this spec | 15:23 |
| anteaya | sweston: okay | 15:23 |
| anteaya | I think part of the reason you are feeling surprised is you aren't around as much as you used to be | 15:24 |
| anteaya | as this is a feeling a lot of folks have had for a while | 15:24 |
| anteaya | just haven't articulated it | 15:24 |
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| sweston | so the current proposal right now is to use a different solution, does someone have a link to patrick's dashboard? | 15:25 |
| asselin_ | sweston, http://ec2-54-67-102-119.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com:5000/?project=openstack%2Fcinder&user=&timeframe=24 | 15:25 |
| anteaya | it is in his comment of June 4 | 15:25 |
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| * anteaya asselin_ is patrickeast pure storage? | 15:26 | |
| asselin_ | yes | 15:26 |
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| anteaya | could explain why he isn't here today | 15:26 |
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| sweston | the whole reason for creating the radar project was to create a base of code which folks could pick up and run with themselves | 15:27 |
| anteaya | sweston: which is fine | 15:28 |
| anteaya | that can still exist | 15:28 |
| anteaya | but we don't need an infra spec for it | 15:28 |
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| sweston | I feel that I got everyone started, but nobody was willing to work with the code .. I went to significant efforts to create a code base which was standardized across openstack projects, and am disappointed that I have received no help with the project at all | 15:29 |
| anteaya | understood | 15:29 |
| sweston | yes, I understand the current topic, I would just like to make my feelings on the radar project known | 15:30 |
| anteaya | it is frustrating to put time and effort into a direction and fail to achieve the support you hoped | 15:30 |
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| anteaya | thanks for sharing them | 15:30 |
| anteaya | I appreciate you trusting us enough to express them | 15:30 |
| * anteaya waits in case there is more | 15:31 | |
| sweston | I am ok with abandonment of the spec, but I would like some help to move the radar project forward, perhaps this could be a topic of another meeting | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | sweston: could you comment on the spec to this effect? | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | and certainly if you would like to discuss radar at another meeting, I think that would be fine | 15:32 |
| anteaya | as far as I am concerned | 15:32 |
| krtaylor | sweston, if you can make the Wed working group meeting, you'll have the floor as long as you'd like | 15:32 |
| sweston | anteaya: yes, I can do that | 15:32 |
| anteaya | sweston: thank you | 15:32 |
| krtaylor | or, maybe an infra meeting? | 15:32 |
| anteaya | sweston: thanks for sharing your thoughts | 15:32 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: I think a third party meeting is the place | 15:32 |
| sweston | krtaylor: yes, I can attend either meeting, which ever would be the most effective | 15:32 |
| krtaylor | sweston, lets use Wed, and I'll send out a reminder email | 15:33 |
| krtaylor | hopefully that will increase attendance | 15:33 |
| sweston | anteaya, krtaylor thanks for listening and hearing my concerns | 15:33 |
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| anteaya | sweston: thanks for sharing them | 15:34 |
| anteaya | sweston: I appreciate it | 15:34 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:34 |
| anteaya | any more on this topic? | 15:34 |
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| sweston | anteaya: :-) no, I think I've beaten this horse long enough. I will post my comments to the spec | 15:35 |
| anteaya | sweston: thank you | 15:35 |
| anteaya | let's move on then | 15:35 |
| sweston | anteaya: welcome | 15:35 |
| anteaya | and thanks | 15:35 |
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| anteaya | :) | 15:35 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss today? | 15:35 |
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| anteaya | everyone's system is working as expected? | 15:36 |
| anteaya | happiness abounds? | 15:36 |
| ameade | +1 | 15:36 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 15:36 |
| akerr | not sure about the happiness statement | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | akerr: did you want to talk about it? | 15:37 |
| asselin_ | mine ran out of disk space on the log server...fixing now... | 15:37 |
| anteaya | or have you accepted it as working level frustration? | 15:37 |
| akerr | nah, I think it'd take a professional to get me out of my rut | 15:37 |
| anteaya | asselin_: fun | 15:37 |
| anteaya | akerr: enjoy the peace and quiet of your rut | 15:37 |
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| anteaya | well unless anyone stops me, I'll end the meeting | 15:38 |
| anteaya | thanks to all for your attendance and participation | 15:38 |
| anteaya | see you all next week | 15:38 |
| asselin_ | thanks anteaya | 15:38 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
| krtaylor | thanks anteaya | 15:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 8 15:38:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-06-08-15.02.html | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-06-08-15.02.txt | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-06-08-15.02.log.html | 15:38 |
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| rluethi | so, anyone here? | 17:01 |
| sayalilunkad | hello | 17:01 |
| sayalilunkad | I'm here | 17:01 |
| rluethi | hey! | 17:01 |
| rluethi | pranav should be here, too | 17:01 |
| rluethi | would you like the chair? | 17:01 |
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| sayalilunkad | I just read seans email about cancelling this weeks meeting | 17:02 |
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| rluethi | :-) | 17:02 |
| sayalilunkad | oh but we are keeping the meeting | 17:02 |
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| sayalilunkad | ok I will take the chair :) | 17:03 |
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| rluethi | excellent. | 17:03 |
| sayalilunkad | Let's wait for pranav to join us | 17:03 |
| sayalilunkad | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 8 17:03:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sayalilunkad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:03 |
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| rluethi | so, no agenda. shouldn't take too long :-). | 17:04 |
| rluethi | what's up, sayalilunkad? | 17:04 |
| sayalilunkad | I guess not :) | 17:04 |
| sayalilunkad | ntm, Just out of ER :/ Got a bad sun burn on the beach | 17:05 |
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| rluethi | you need to get out of that country, you don't seem to be a good fit. | 17:06 |
| rluethi | how did you survive that many years? | 17:06 |
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| sayalilunkad | I am in Austin atm | 17:06 |
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| dguitarbite | hello | 17:07 |
| rluethi | get out of that country, too, then :-). | 17:07 |
| rluethi | hi dguerri | 17:07 |
| rluethi | hi dguitarbite | 17:07 |
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| sayalilunkad | Yeah! I need to migrate to the cold regions ;) | 17:07 |
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| rluethi | sayalilunkad: or at least less hot. | 17:07 |
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| sayalilunkad | rluethi: yeah | 17:08 |
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| rluethi | so, plans for labs-scripts? | 17:08 |
| rluethi | how's the python port coming along? | 17:08 |
| Guest57520 | rluethi: I am waiting for sayalilunkad | 17:09 |
| Guest57520 | shes supposed to finish some parts | 17:09 |
| Guest57520 | sayalilunkad: do you have any progress | 17:09 |
| sayalilunkad | hello Guest57520 | 17:09 |
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| sayalilunkad | nope, haven't been able to do much | 17:09 |
| rluethi | what are you working on? | 17:10 |
| sayalilunkad | Will try to work on it the coming few weeks | 17:10 |
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| sayalilunkad | well I need to do some exception handling and code re factoring | 17:10 |
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| rluethi | so the code is roughly feature-complete? | 17:11 |
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| dbyte | sorry something wrong with my IRC client today | 17:12 |
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| sayalilunkad | Well it is functional as of now but the excetiopns are not handled so chances of failure is high | 17:13 |
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| rluethi | I should take a look one of these days. | 17:13 |
| rluethi | is it still on that github repo? | 17:14 |
| sayalilunkad | yep it's there | 17:14 |
| dbyte | rluethi: its still there but I would suggest you to wait before you spend your time on it | 17:14 |
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| dbyte | I would predict around two months before its worth takin ga look | 17:14 |
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| rluethi | if it's feature-complete it should be worth a look now. | 17:15 |
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| dbyte | rluethi: its not feature complete | 17:15 |
| dbyte | some parts still need a lot of work | 17:16 |
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| sayalilunkad | It works well to deploy a multi node cluster | 17:17 |
| rluethi | so which repo should I watch, StackTrain or libvirtPOC? | 17:17 |
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| sayalilunkad | libvirtPOC | 17:17 |
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| rluethi | k | 17:18 |
| rluethi | so if it works well to deploy a multi node cluster, what does it not do? | 17:18 |
| rluethi | that's pretty much all osbash does, too. | 17:18 |
| sayalilunkad | it does not handle exceptions like any of the libvirt exceptions | 17:19 |
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| sayalilunkad | so if you have duplicate vms or network name already exists it will just skip that or break | 17:19 |
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| sayalilunkad | so it isn't robust yet and the code lacks modularity | 17:20 |
| dbyte | there are many open ends | 17:20 |
| rluethi | I see. | 17:20 |
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| sayalilunkad | but i will fix it soon | 17:22 |
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| sayalilunkad | then you can try it out | 17:22 |
| rluethi | okay. looking forward to it. | 17:22 |
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| sayalilunkad | :) | 17:23 |
| dbyte | :) | 17:23 |
| rluethi | anything else you want to discuss? you know I won't be around this weekend. | 17:24 |
| sayalilunkad | does osbash need any attention as of now? | 17:24 |
| dbyte | nothing from my side | 17:25 |
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| rluethi | KVM support would still be nice, but cleaning that up takes more time than I currently have. | 17:25 |
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| sayalilunkad | what about kilo branch for osbash? | 17:27 |
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| rluethi | good point. at some point we need a kilo port. | 17:27 |
| rluethi | dbyte? | 17:27 |
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| rluethi | wrong question? | 17:29 |
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| sayalilunkad | I think he got disconnected | 17:30 |
| rluethi | unpossible. he said he has the best Internet connection in the world. | 17:30 |
| sayalilunkad | Ikr! | 17:31 |
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| rluethi | have there been any decisions regarding kilo updates for the scripts in vancouver? | 17:31 |
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| dbiyte | apologies again | 17:32 |
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| dbiyte | its my web IRC client | 17:33 |
| dbiyte | which keeps on crashing | 17:34 |
| rluethi | dbiyte: what's the plan for kilo updates for the lab-scripts? | 17:34 |
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| rluethi | you gotta be kidding me. | 17:35 |
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| dbit | Hi | 17:35 |
| dbit | now I should not DC again! Apologies, its my IRC client, keeps on crashing on my old laptop | 17:35 |
| sayalilunkad | dbit: do you have the link for the liberty etherpad? | 17:36 |
| rluethi | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-training-guides-design | 17:36 |
| dbit | So for Kilo updates we need to start asap | 17:36 |
| dbit | but I would rather say that we need to fix metadata for Juno and then we are set for kilo | 17:36 |
| rluethi | what's the deal with metadata again? it used to work. | 17:37 |
| sayalilunkad | ah thanks rluethi | 17:37 |
| dbit | its not working for Juno as of now, or atleast the last time I tried there were some issues with it | 17:37 |
| sayalilunkad | oh | 17:39 |
| rluethi | IIRC, the metadata issues in icehouse were mostly due to a race in the neutron setup. | 17:39 |
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| rluethi | can you send some bug info so I can replicate the metadata problem (or recognize it when I see it) ? | 17:40 |
| dbit | Yes I'm sure its a small race because I have been deploying Juno since a year now and it used to work since a long time back | 17:40 |
| dbit | its just that when I rebuild the cluster, there is a metadata failure in the logs | 17:41 |
| dbit | the 'SUM' logs | 17:41 |
| dbit | or something is missing in there? | 17:41 |
| rluethi | pretty sure that's new, it used to work without error. | 17:41 |
| rluethi | is that just from current master? | 17:41 |
| dbit | yes | 17:42 |
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| rluethi | hmmm. okay. | 17:43 |
| dbit | I will confirm the bug if its metadata issue or not by tomorrow morning CEST and then we fix it by the end of this week and start working on Kilo scripts? | 17:44 |
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| dbit | *How about starting the work on Kilo scripts by the end of next week? | 17:44 |
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| rluethi | I'd rather not commit to anything for this week, I need to take care of a few things before I fly out Friday morning. | 17:45 |
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| rluethi | but I'd like to get this thing fixed soon. | 17:45 |
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| sayalilunkad | I am ok with end of next week | 17:46 |
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| rluethi | I would also like to take a stab at our hardware project :-). | 17:46 |
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| dbit | rluethi: Yes for sure :D But I will be low on budget to buy some for the next couple of months | 17:47 |
| rluethi | perfect. it's supposed to be a low-budget project anyway :-) | 17:48 |
| sayalilunkad | what project? | 17:48 |
| rluethi | sayalilunkad will help, of course. | 17:48 |
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| dbit | rluethi: yeah, she should be able to pitch in too ;) | 17:49 |
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| sayalilunkad | what is all this excitement about? | 17:49 |
| rluethi | sayalilunkad: we'll tell you in good time :) | 17:49 |
| dbit | we could have a demo "federated cloud" with multi keystone regions and a master keystone! | 17:49 |
| sayalilunkad | I am a part od a project I haven't heard of :D | 17:50 |
| sayalilunkad | ok :D | 17:50 |
| rluethi | dbit: geez, hold your horses. | 17:50 |
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| rluethi | sayalilunkad: the project would be great fun, but it will take time which some of us may be lacking. | 17:51 |
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| dbit | rluethi: yes, yes | 17:52 |
| sayalilunkad | Sounds like fun. I hope to hear about it soon :) | 17:52 |
| rluethi | sayalilunkad: I hope to see it soon. | 17:53 |
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| sayalilunkad | would be cool! | 17:54 |
| rluethi | indeed. | 17:54 |
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| sayalilunkad | though I don't know what it is ;) | 17:54 |
| sayalilunkad | ok anything else we need to discuss? | 17:55 |
| dbit | sayalilunkad: in time :) | 17:55 |
| rluethi | hey, gotta build up the excitement. it's called marketing. | 17:55 |
| rluethi | I'm good. Call it a day, Miss Chair? | 17:55 |
| dbit | nothing much on my plate | 17:55 |
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| sayalilunkad | yep let's call it a day :) | 17:56 |
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| rluethi | bye guys, it's been a pleasure. | 17:56 |
| sayalilunkad | bye, talk to you'll soon! | 17:56 |
| sayalilunkad | :) | 17:56 |
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| dbit | bye have a nice week | 17:56 |
| sayalilunkad | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 8 17:57:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-06-08-17.03.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-06-08-17.03.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-06-08-17.03.log.html | 17:57 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting akanda | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 8 18:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'akanda' | 18:00 |
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| sarob | agenda | 18:00 |
| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/akanda | 18:01 |
| sarob | roll call | 18:01 |
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| adam_g | o/ | 18:01 |
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| davidlenwell | o/ | 18:02 |
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| markmcclain | o/ | 18:03 |
| sarob | #topic milestone 1 bp progress | 18:03 |
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| sarob | #link https://launchpad.net/akanda/+milestone/liberty-1 | 18:03 |
| arosen1 | o/ hiya :) Just lurking | 18:04 |
| sarob | arosen1: lurking welcome ;) | 18:04 |
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| sarob | is ryanpetrello around? | 18:05 |
| sarob | markmcclain: any updates on juno backports? | 18:06 |
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| sarob | markmcclain: i remember it being close, but a few remaining bugs to work out | 18:06 |
| markmcclain | ryan's confirmed they mostly work w/o any changes from stable/kilo | 18:06 |
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| sarob | so branch stable/juno off stable/kilo? | 18:08 |
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| sarob | that was bounced around | 18:08 |
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| adam_g | thats the plan | 18:08 |
| sarob | so id delete stable/juno branch that exists for a few of the repos first? | 18:09 |
| sarob | and create new one | 18:09 |
| sarob | s | 18:09 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. the old stable/juno branch contains some cruft we removed for kilo | 18:09 |
| markmcclain | so the new stable/juno branches would be much cleaner than the old version | 18:09 |
| sarob | is that a fungi request? | 18:10 |
| fungi | no requests are fungi requests ;) | 18:10 |
| sarob | fungi: hah | 18:11 |
| fungi | but i'm happy to take care of infra admin requests, sure | 18:11 |
| fungi | if you need a branch deleted, i'm happy to | 18:11 |
| fungi | just get up with me after your meeting | 18:11 |
| sarob | fungi: thx! | 18:11 |
| sarob | next up are oslo updates bp | 18:12 |
| sarob | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/oslo-updates | 18:12 |
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| sarob | adam_g: how goes it? | 18:12 |
| adam_g | i switched off of that last week to focus on getting our ci rolling after some infra patches merged, gonna pick it back up today | 18:12 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, were you involved with designing the existing messaging layer in the rug or is that something i should pick doug's brain about? | 18:13 |
| markmcclain | doug did a lot of the heavy lifting | 18:13 |
| markmcclain | I've got good coverage there too | 18:14 |
| sarob | #action sarob will branch new stable/juno off stable/kilo once some of the old stable/juno branches are removed | 18:15 |
| adam_g | ok, cool. ill have some questions about how we adjust it to fit with oslo.messaging. we do some rabbit specific stuff that will need to change, probably | 18:15 |
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| sarob | #info adam_g will restart oslo work today | 18:16 |
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| sarob | documentation updates bp | 18:17 |
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| sarob | i'll work on collecting the notes from the summit on whats missing | 18:18 |
| sarob | in the docs | 18:18 |
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| sarob | part of it is we need to add a job to update the docs | 18:19 |
| markmcclain | we merge the rest update this morning | 18:19 |
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| markmcclain | I'm guessing the post hook isn't working? | 18:19 |
| adam_g | theres a patch up to add those hooks to our project post-job | 18:20 |
| adam_g | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188909/ | 18:20 |
| adam_g | the actual server-side hook is working, http://akanda.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ is updated after a manual build | 18:20 |
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| adam_g | should we only worry about the docs in the `akanda` repo, or be maintaining docs in the sub-projects? | 18:21 |
| markmcclain | I think 1 set of docs makes the most sense | 18:21 |
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| adam_g | ATM akanda and akanda-rug both have docs dirs | 18:21 |
| sarob | adam_g: yeah, one place makes the most sense | 18:22 |
| adam_g | we should move the -rug docs over to akanda then | 18:22 |
| sarob | adam_g: yup | 18:22 |
| sarob | #action sarob will move akanda-rug docs to akanda repo | 18:23 |
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| sarob | we can start adding inline comments as part of this bp | 18:23 |
| sarob | maybe starting with oslo | 18:24 |
| sarob | since the team is figuring it out together | 18:24 |
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| sarob | adam_g: sound good? | 18:25 |
| adam_g | sarob, im not sure what you mean | 18:25 |
| adam_g | but it sounds good :) | 18:25 |
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| davidlenwell | I think what he is trying to say that its going to be a group effort to get inline code docs written into all of our files | 18:26 |
| sarob | yeah, that | 18:26 |
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| sarob | sooo, lbaas support | 18:28 |
| davidlenwell | nice segway ;) | 18:28 |
| * sarob wonders why he mentions my segway | 18:28 | |
| davidlenwell | a lot of us were just in a video call with the nginx team discussing plans for getting a load ballancer working and ready to use in a production env | 18:29 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: whats up with lbaas support | 18:29 |
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| davidlenwell | I am currently in the process of modifying the worker code that runs on the router vm to act as a shim layer between nginx and the neutron lbaas messages in the message queue | 18:30 |
| davidlenwell | along with that I am also still modifying our state machine to support drivers for higher level services in general | 18:31 |
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| davidlenwell | I'd like to sit down with sarob this week and nail down a timeline and deliverables schedule so that we can better manage the expectations of the nginx crew | 18:32 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: we got a rundown from doug on state machine code | 18:32 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: one of the meetings soon, you provide an update to the team on the state of | 18:32 |
| davidlenwell | sarob: yes.. and I have a patch in flight that modifies that to work with non-router vm's.. however.. now I have to rebase and resplve some conflicts | 18:32 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: well, state machine | 18:32 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: okay | 18:33 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: between the changes adam_g and you are doing, it would be good to be able to update the rest of us | 18:34 |
| davidlenwell | I'm not sure if anything adam_g is doing will effect what I am doing.. I don't understand the differences between the rabbit specific things in our code and how oslo messaging works | 18:34 |
| sarob | maybe post m1 would be the ideal time | 18:35 |
| davidlenwell | for what specifically? | 18:35 |
| sarob | no, im not saying that | 18:35 |
| sarob | im saying y'all are learning stuff about how stuff works | 18:36 |
| davidlenwell | yeah.. lots of discovery things are happening right now | 18:36 |
| sarob | so explaining how stuff works would be a good idea | 18:36 |
| davidlenwell | its hard to nail down a timeline while we are in this state with how the messaging stuff works | 18:36 |
| sarob | so everyone knows how stuff works | 18:36 |
| sarob | okay | 18:37 |
| sarob | sometime in the future | 18:37 |
| sarob | nearish | 18:37 |
| sarob | anything else? | 18:37 |
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| davidlenwell | well as I go and change things I'll make diagrams and write stuff down into code and in docs | 18:37 |
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| davidlenwell | on lbaas .. no | 18:37 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: right on | 18:37 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: still on schedule for m1 though? | 18:38 |
| davidlenwell | roughly .. we can nail down a specific timeline while I am in the office this week | 18:39 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: okey dokey | 18:39 |
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| sarob | moving on to | 18:39 |
| sarob | ci updates | 18:39 |
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| sarob | adam_g: anything more to add on this? | 18:40 |
| adam_g | nope. our devstack jobs are almost there | 18:40 |
| adam_g | after a mountain of patches that landed today | 18:40 |
| sarob | sweeeeet | 18:40 |
| adam_g | should have it running this week on patches and we can start filling out the actual tests after | 18:40 |
| markmcclain | awesome | 18:40 |
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| sarob | any updates on m2 bp? | 18:41 |
| sarob | #link https://launchpad.net/akanda/+milestone/liberty-2 | 18:41 |
| adam_g | none here | 18:42 |
| sarob | #info adam_g devstack jobs running this week | 18:42 |
| markmcclain | none from me | 18:43 |
| sarob | #topic any other business | 18:43 |
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| sarob | how about the bps | 18:44 |
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| sarob | still seem like we have the right ones? | 18:44 |
| sarob | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda | 18:44 |
| sarob | we have 9 pushed out | 18:45 |
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| davidlenwell | beats per second or blue prints? | 18:46 |
| davidlenwell | ;) | 18:46 |
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| sarob | both | 18:46 |
| sarob | it seems right to me | 18:47 |
| sarob | how about the priorities? | 18:48 |
| markmcclain | priorities for now are still on track | 18:48 |
| adam_g | its hard to tell without having any context in the blueprints themselves | 18:49 |
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| adam_g | but based on what i remember from last meeting it looks ok | 18:49 |
| markmcclain | adam_g: oops.. meant to say the priorities are still in the right order | 18:50 |
| puranamr | markmcclain, the reduce vm footprint bp, is referring to reducing startup time or reducing the image size? | 18:50 |
| markmcclain | puranamr: both | 18:50 |
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| sarob | markmcclain: i kinda assumed thats what you meant | 18:50 |
| puranamr | i would like to work with whoever is assigned to, | 18:50 |
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| puranamr | markmcclain, what is the startup time we are aiming for (rough numbers will do) | 18:51 |
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| markmcclain | puranamr: it's currently unassigned | 18:51 |
| puranamr | yeah i see that :) | 18:51 |
| markmcclain | puranamr: as fast as we can make it | 18:51 |
| markmcclain | I don't have a hard target | 18:52 |
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| sarob | puranamr: whats the startup time now? | 18:52 |
| sarob | approx | 18:52 |
| puranamr | pl speak up some number to start off, lets aim and see how far we can get | 18:52 |
| puranamr | sarab, it is order of couple of minutes i think | 18:52 |
| adam_g | VM startup time is dependent on too many variables to use as a target | 18:53 |
| puranamr | and the vm image size is around 430 M compressed, so what r we thinking here | 18:53 |
| sarob | adam_g: yeah, true | 18:53 |
| markmcclain | adam_g: right | 18:53 |
| adam_g | having nodepool pre-provision VMs for us would help significantly, if we decide to go that route | 18:53 |
| sarob | need a baseline of sorts | 18:53 |
| sarob | though | 18:54 |
| davidlenwell | adam_g: that is going to drastically effect how the state machine works | 18:54 |
| adam_g | i think reducing image size is a more realistic goal | 18:54 |
| markmcclain | adam_g: yeah node pool will help | 18:54 |
| sarob | so that brings up a good point | 18:54 |
| sarob | we need to specs for nodepool and reduce vm footprint bps | 18:55 |
| adam_g | puranamr, that 430M is a standard debootstrap'd debian installation. we can probably start to audit whats installed there and pick out packages of stuff we dont need | 18:55 |
| davidlenwell | those are very seperate | 18:55 |
| adam_g | puranamr, or look at replacing debian entirely with something leaner | 18:55 |
| sarob | so we understand how the work breaks down | 18:55 |
| puranamr | adam_g, reducing would be a good starting point. | 18:55 |
| adam_g | puranamr, have you looked at building your own appliance VM to see how the build process works? | 18:55 |
| puranamr | adam_g, Yes that was the question i had, as to why debian | 18:55 |
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| puranamr | adam_g, yes | 18:56 |
| adam_g | puranamr, cool | 18:56 |
| sarob | puranamr: so maybe you can take on the vm footprint bp? | 18:57 |
| puranamr | actually both are slightly tangential ( i mean size vs startup time) which we need to take up first will help focus us better | 18:57 |
| sarob | with leaning on the team for help on contribution | 18:57 |
| puranamr | sarob, sure! | 18:57 |
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| sarob | #action puranamr will take on reduce-vm-footprint m2 bp | 18:58 |
| sarob | 2 minute warning | 18:58 |
| sarob | any last words? | 18:58 |
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| puranamr | should we split the bp into two parts | 18:59 |
| puranamr | one for size and one for startup times? | 18:59 |
| sarob | puranamr: lets start the specs first | 18:59 |
| sarob | spec | 18:59 |
| puranamr | ok | 18:59 |
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| sarob | then decide if its too unwieldy | 19:00 |
| sarob | all done | 19:00 |
| sarob | cheers | 19:00 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 8 19:00:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-06-08-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-06-08-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-06-08-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| markmcclain | bye | 19:00 |
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| mestery | hi neutron folks! | 20:59 |
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| banix | hi | 20:59 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:59 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 20:59 |
| yamamoto | hi | 20:59 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:59 |
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| wwriverrat | hi | 20:59 |
| kevinbenton | \/o\/ | 20:59 |
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| wznoinsk | hi | 21:00 |
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| HenryG | o/ | 21:00 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 8 21:01:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:01 |
| salv-orlando_ | Aloha | 21:01 |
| armax | aye | 21:01 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:01 |
| russellb | hi | 21:01 |
| mlavalle | hi | 21:01 |
| mestery | Should be a light meeting today (famous last words ...) | 21:01 |
| marun | \o | 21:01 |
| mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:01 |
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| mestery | I had an AI to send the ML a note about the new RFE process. | 21:01 |
| mestery | So, I did that :) | 21:01 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066217.html | 21:01 |
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| mestery | For clarity in the meeting logs: | 21:02 |
| mestery | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/blueprints.html#neutron-request-for-feature-enhancements | 21:02 |
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| mestery | I had another AI to work with ajo to around QoS development | 21:02 |
| mestery | #info Created feature branch (feature/qos) for QoS work in Neutron | 21:02 |
| ajo | :) | 21:02 |
| mestery | Since our mid-cycles are quickly approaching, I wanted to highlight those again for folks | 21:03 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-liberty-mid-cycle | 21:03 |
| ajo | and ajo landed a first patch out of it #action -> ajo to learn how to use feature branches O:-) | 21:03 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-liberty-qos-code-sprint | 21:03 |
| mestery | ajo: Nice work! :) | 21:03 |
| mestery | Any other announcements from anyone for the team? | 21:03 |
| ajo | thanks mestery | 21:03 |
| dougwig | ajo: make sure to edit the .gitreview in the branch | 21:03 |
| mestery | dougwig: Excellent reminder! | 21:03 |
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| ajo | dougwig, thanks, will do, I guessed it was related to git-review | 21:04 |
| Sukhdev | ago, mestery : are there any ML2 related requirements for QoS related work? | 21:04 |
| mestery | ajo: ^^^^ from Sukhdev | 21:04 |
| ajo | Sukhdev, not yet, we have two interesting plans, but we are not blocked by any ML2 work | 21:05 |
| Sukhdev | ajo: cool - this came up in last week's ML2 meeting - hence, wanted to double check | 21:05 |
| mestery | Excellent! | 21:05 |
| ajo | Sukhdev, we want do develop a generic rpc mechanism for port & net information, in conjunction with a L2 agent extension manager | 21:05 |
| ajo | Sukhdev, thanks for asking | 21:05 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on to Bugs now | 21:06 |
| * mestery looks for enikanorov enikanorov__ | 21:06 | |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:06 |
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| mestery | I cleaned up the bugs agenda a bit on the meeting page | 21:06 |
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| mestery | And we're left with two bugs we've been tracking on that page for a while now | 21:06 |
| mestery | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1359523 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1335375 | 21:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1359523 in neutron "Security group rules errorneously applied to all ports having same ip addresses in different networks" [High,In progress] - Assigned to shihanzhang (shihanzhang) | 21:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1335375 in neutron "ping still working after security group rule is created, updated, or deleted" [High,In progress] - Assigned to shihanzhang (shihanzhang) | 21:06 |
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| mestery | Both are interrelated | 21:06 |
| enikanorov__ | mestery: hi. | 21:07 |
| mestery | enikanorov__: Howdy! | 21:07 |
| mestery | enikanorov__: We're talking about the two bugs ^^^ above now, they have been High priority for a bit with not much movement it appears | 21:07 |
| enikanorov__ | mestery: probably i need to step out of bug triage duty | 21:07 |
| ajo | question about 1335375, is it after the conntrack work? | 21:07 |
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| mestery | enikanorov__: OK, lets talk some more on that post-meeting :) | 21:07 |
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| enikanorov__ | 've been busy with other tasks so i don't have enough bandwidth to provide enough info to weekly meetings | 21:08 |
| mestery | ajo: Looks to be prior | 21:08 |
| enikanorov__ | mestery: sure | 21:08 |
| mestery | enikanorov__: OK, makes sense, thanks for letting me know! | 21:08 |
| ajo | ah, ok :) | 21:09 |
| mestery | ajo: Just looking at the age of the bug, etc. | 21:09 |
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| mestery | Any other bugs the team should be aware of? | 21:09 |
| mestery | I'd also like to propose we do a bug triage day next week. | 21:10 |
| kevinbenton | 1359523 is horrific because it means security groups have to understand L3 connectivity | 21:10 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: "Horrific" is one way to put it | 21:10 |
| ajo | I will ask hanzhang about 1335375 status | 21:10 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: But your summary seems spot on | 21:10 |
| kevinbenton | a.k.a is SG member Y reachable by SG member X | 21:11 |
| kevinbenton | which means peaking at routers, etc | 21:11 |
| kevinbenton | peeking* | 21:11 |
| anteaya | peaking may also apply | 21:11 |
| ajo | 1359523 is related, but will be fixed when the tacking information is tied to zones | 21:11 |
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| ajo | basically both bugs depend on the same set of patches | 21:12 |
| mestery | ajo: Are the patches in flight at the moment? | 21:12 |
| kevinbenton | ajo: no, it won't be fixed. i'll not waste time during the meeting explaining though | 21:12 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118274/ has merged for the first bug | 21:12 |
| kevinbenton | ajo: let's chat after | 21:12 |
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| ajo | kevinbenton, ack, I must be missong some detail | 21:12 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: You've piqued my curiosity, please explain why not | 21:12 |
| ajo | lol :) | 21:13 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: SG1 has members with IP address 1 and IP address 2 | 21:13 |
| ajo | yes I thought the zones fixed the issue, what's the corner detail I'm missing? | 21:13 |
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| kevinbenton | mestery: SG2 also has members with IP address 1 and IP address 2 | 21:13 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: right | 21:13 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: SG1 and SG2 each have an address on two disjoint networks | 21:14 |
| ajo | hm, ok, I get it | 21:14 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: so SG1 is allowing SG2 by accident | 21:14 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: yes, that's what the bug summary says. | 21:15 |
| ajo | so, the patch will fix the "collisions on connection tracking table" but no the SG collisions themselves by disjoint networks | 21:15 |
| kevinbenton | ajo: exactly | 21:15 |
| mestery | ajo: sounds right | 21:15 |
| ajo | kevinbenton, any mean to fix that case? | 21:15 |
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| kevinbenton | ajo: yes, basically the security group has to understand that it's not actually capable of connecting to a security group member | 21:16 |
| kevinbenton | ajo: so then it doesn't add it to the ipset | 21:16 |
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| ajo | aha | 21:16 |
| kevinbenton | ajo: once we have the concept of address scopes, it would just compare the address scopes of each member | 21:16 |
| ajo | yikes, sounds like overcomplicating security groups a lot :/ | 21:16 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: That's your queue! ;) ^^^^ | 21:17 |
| kevinbenton | ajo: and skip any that aren't part of the same scope | 21:17 |
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| kevinbenton | ajo: but until we have scopes, it has to be inferred by inspecting which routers are attached to each network | 21:17 |
| kevinbenton | "horrific" | 21:17 |
| ajo | kevinbenton: I agree :/ | 21:17 |
| carl_baldwin | We might have to take this to the ML. I’m not sure my head is wrapped around the issue. | 21:17 |
| mestery | #action kevinbenton carl_baldwin ajo to continue discussion around horrific SG bugs | 21:18 |
| mestery | :) | 21:18 |
| mestery | Good idea carl_baldwin | 21:18 |
| mestery | Any other bugs to discuss here today? | 21:18 |
| ajo | the bug itself is not horrific, the current possible solution is ':D | 21:18 |
| dougwig | we need a horrific tag | 21:18 |
| ajo | ROFL | 21:18 |
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| ajo | kevinbenton: thanks for the explanation | 21:18 |
| mestery | ajo: agreed | 21:18 |
| kevinbenton | right after we add the @skipIfFails decorator for unit tests that don't work | 21:18 |
| kevinbenton | ;) | 21:19 |
| ajo | :-) | 21:19 |
| armax | kevinbenton: +1 | 21:19 |
| russellb | put that on the global setup for all tests, i like it | 21:19 |
| mestery | OK, with no other bugs being bounced about, lets move on and see if we can close this meeting out in (almost) record time! | 21:19 |
| mestery | #topic nova-network compatibility tasks | 21:19 |
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| ajo | no more failing tests, finally! | 21:19 |
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| mestery | Mostly here, I just wanted to highlight the "get me a network" patch and see if anyone has taken this up yet | 21:19 |
| russellb | i put up 4 patches this afternoon that lead up to the rolling upgrades test job | 21:19 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184857/ | 21:20 |
| mestery | russellb: Yay! | 21:20 |
| russellb | all patches linked from the etherpad | 21:20 |
| mestery | russellb: Thanks so much, that's awesome! | 21:20 |
| amuller | russellb: wow, awesome | 21:20 |
| russellb | we'll see if it works :) | 21:20 |
| mestery | :) | 21:20 |
| ajo | where's etherpad? :) | 21:20 |
| russellb | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-network | 21:20 |
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| mestery | #!link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-network | 21:20 |
| russellb | bottom of that one | 21:20 |
| sc68cal | mestery: I'll try and respin a new patch for the get a network spec, from everyone's comments | 21:20 |
| ajo | thanks :) | 21:20 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Taht would be perfect, thank you so much! | 21:21 |
| sc68cal | and recollections | 21:21 |
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| markmcclain | mestery: I know a few of us have kicked around some of the impl details for get me a network | 21:21 |
| mestery | sc68cal: That one is important an would be great to get it rolling and into shape | 21:21 |
| mestery | markmcclain: ++, awesome! | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | conceptually it's simple.. except for the concurrency part | 21:21 |
| sc68cal | mestery: understood, however we did prioritize, linux bridge has higher priority | 21:21 |
| mestery | If possible. that's a prime candidate to make fast progress on during the mid-cycle in Fort Collins | 21:21 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Agreed | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | mestery: ++ | 21:21 |
| anteaya | so the hope is to have the spec approved by fort collins? | 21:22 |
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| mestery | anteaya: Yup, and code in flight too! | 21:22 |
| mestery | Also, markmcclain, I saw one AI for you from last week too: | 21:22 |
| anteaya | okay thank you | 21:22 |
| mestery | "markmcclain to write a devref document about ebtables code in support of source mac filtering and DVR/LB work" | 21:22 |
| salv-orlando_ | Ah the expectations... | 21:22 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando_: shhhh | 21:22 |
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| markmcclain | mestery: yes ran a bit behind... hope to post it tomorrow | 21:24 |
| mestery | Anyways, looking forward to seeing this progress on the critical nova-network/neutron compatibility tasks! | 21:24 |
| mestery | markmcclain: No worries, I was just looking through AIs because I knew I had 2. :) | 21:24 |
| kevinbenton | what is an AI? | 21:24 |
| russellb | action item | 21:24 |
| sc68cal | If someone wants to take over the get me a network spec, that'd be fine too | 21:24 |
| mestery | Action Item | 21:24 |
| mestery | :) | 21:24 |
| sc68cal | I'm not seeing good progress on the linux bridge side yet, so maybe time to parallelize since I don't scale | 21:25 |
| russellb | kevinbenton: you generally don't want them :) | 21:25 |
| mestery | lol | 21:25 |
| mestery | sc68cal: How goes the Linuxbridge front BTW? Are you stalled somewhere? | 21:25 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: what is stcuk? | 21:25 |
| anteaya | stuck | 21:25 |
| kevinbenton | markmcclain: i will write the ebtables arp spoofing filter code | 21:25 |
| armax | sc68cal: I would be happy to look into it, were you going to work on it? | 21:25 |
| sc68cal | There's a lot of restructuring that needs to happen in DevStack, basically lib/neutron always assumes you're using OVS, and the code reflects that | 21:25 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: do you have a patch set that reflects current status? | 21:26 |
| sc68cal | I'm going to send an e-mail to see if anyone has ever used Linux Bridge with DevStack | 21:26 |
| anteaya | or etherpad that summarizes your thoughts? | 21:26 |
| sc68cal | anteaya: no, I plan on a ML post this week | 21:26 |
| mestery | sc68cal: I've used it! I have a cloud VM running it at the moment in fact | 21:26 |
| ajo | sc68cal, I haven't I'd like to know how to do it ;) | 21:26 |
| mestery | sc68cal: At least for some tesitng purposes | 21:26 |
| sc68cal | mestery: ok, share your local.conf plz | 21:27 |
| ajo | mestery: show us the way! ;) | 21:27 |
| armax | sc68cal: I suspect that the latest changes to devstack broke LB completely | 21:27 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: Will do /cc ajo | 21:27 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: can I suggest an etherpad as well to keep notes to others can see what they can do to help? | 21:27 |
| sc68cal | anteaya: sure. | 21:27 |
| anteaya | ml's threads are tough to keep track of | 21:27 |
| anteaya | great for input and ideas but tough to summarize | 21:27 |
| haleyb | sc68cal: i can help too | 21:27 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: I can help you put that together | 21:28 |
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| sc68cal | ok - i'll ping people tomorrow - let this meeting end quickly like mestery wants | 21:28 |
| anteaya | k | 21:28 |
| mestery | lol | 21:28 |
| mestery | No worries on quick meeting end | 21:28 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Did you see volunteers on "Get Me a Network" above? /cc armax haleyb | 21:29 |
| * haleyb hopes his memory of that meeting was accurate | 21:29 | |
| sc68cal | mestery: yep, that sounds good to me, I know haleyb put a couple comments in about what he remembered, I was just going to transcribe :) | 21:29 |
| sc68cal | so if they want to take it, please do | 21:29 |
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| mestery | cool | 21:30 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:30 |
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| wwriverrat | nOOb question alert: What are my next steps for review of neutron spec targeting liberty: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180803 | 21:30 |
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| wwriverrat | seems like discussion has ebbed off. I’d be glad to put together a schedule of work. | 21:31 |
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| Sukhdev | I have a question on the decamp part II | 21:31 |
| mestery | wwriverrat: I'd like salv-orlando_ to meander in and look at your spec given the comment about it relating to the quota work he's doing | 21:31 |
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| wwriverrat | makes sense | 21:32 |
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| mestery | wwriverrat: Thanks! | 21:32 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Please, ask away! | 21:32 |
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| Sukhdev | I saw the patch by HenryG - this is good stuff - but, I have generic question - | 21:33 |
| HenryG | mestery: wwriverrat: yes, salv-orlando should look at it, and we should also get someone from the api-wg to glance at the proposed api | 21:33 |
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| Sukhdev | Now that 80% stuff is already out of the tree - there really should not be rush to pull everything out - why not make it voluntary as opposed to mandatory? | 21:33 |
| wwriverrat | makes sense. How do we poke the api-wg group for a looksee | 21:34 |
| armax | Sukhdev: you’re only gonna get a generic response | 21:34 |
| armax | :) | 21:34 |
| Sukhdev | armax: ha ha | 21:34 |
| HenryG | wwriverrat: I'll do it | 21:34 |
| mestery | HenryG: Thanks! | 21:34 |
| russellb | IMO, I think having stuff split in half is gross :) | 21:34 |
| armax | Sukhdev: there’s stuff that hasn’t decomposed at all yet | 21:34 |
| dougwig | Sukhdev: is the concern technical or marketing in nature? | 21:34 |
| armax | but +1 to what russellb said | 21:34 |
| dougwig | (both would be valid.) | 21:35 |
| Sukhdev | dougwig: basically unnecessary additional work - which does not need to exist - | 21:35 |
| russellb | hopefully still officially recognizing things as part of "Neutron" helps the marketing side though | 21:35 |
| armax | the problem is not so much to what we got so far | 21:35 |
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| mestery | russellb: ++ | 21:35 |
| Sukhdev | since heavy lifting has already happened | 21:35 |
| armax | but to what may potentially come in the future | 21:35 |
| mestery | I think the bigger issue is those who haven't started at all. | 21:35 |
| dougwig | russellb: good point | 21:35 |
| armax | we’d want to have a single way we tell people how to develop stuff against the tree | 21:35 |
| wwriverrat | Last question: I assume you’d want the schedule of work for that spec to be logged within the blueprint? | 21:36 |
| Sukhdev | we should see what king of impact (in terms of load) did decamp phase 1 did and then evaluate if phase 2 makes sense | 21:36 |
| anteaya | you need to reward folks who do as you request, not reward them for dragging their feet | 21:36 |
| russellb | i think phase 2 makes a lot of sense from a technical perspective though | 21:36 |
| armax | Sukhdev: I’d argue that if one has already decomposed, going all the way requires only a minimal extra effort | 21:36 |
| russellb | like ... just a pure code sanity thing of how things are organized | 21:36 |
| kevinbenton | while we still have drivers in, everyone that is out gets flak from their marketing department to get things in. if we have everyone out, then there is no diff | 21:36 |
| Sukhdev | anteaya: this is not about rewards | 21:36 |
| armax | Sukhdev: but I agree that it can depend on the level of integration achieved so far | 21:36 |
| mestery | wwriverrat: To the best of your efforts, yes. Thhough realistically, it just has to land before Liberty closes | 21:36 |
| anteaya | Sukhdev: it is about sending a clear message to folks about behavioural expectations | 21:37 |
| wwriverrat | cool. thx! | 21:37 |
| Sukhdev | armax: I think instead of mandating phase 2, it should be volunteer - as there is a value for vendors to do phase 2 | 21:37 |
| mestery | Did I miss the part where we decided not to eventually remove those plugins/drivers that don't comply with decomp? | 21:37 |
| mestery | Because that's the stick if people don't take the carrot, so to speak. | 21:37 |
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| Sukhdev | anteaya: Phase 1 had clear reasons - it was choking the cores and it was holding up the vendors - | 21:38 |
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| Sukhdev | anteaya: that issue has been solved - now it is gravy :-) | 21:38 |
| russellb | phase 2 == finishing up phase 1 IMO | 21:38 |
| russellb | i don't think it can stop where it is | 21:38 |
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| mestery | Agreed | 21:38 |
| russellb | i really think it's important and valuable | 21:38 |
| anteaya | Sukhdev: I'm unclear on your definition of phase 1 and phase 2 | 21:38 |
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| dougwig | russellb: +1 | 21:38 |
| anteaya | Sukhdev: to me it is people who listen and people who don't | 21:38 |
| mestery | Can someone link HenryG's patch here for the record? | 21:39 |
| anteaya | and I favour people who listen, heavily | 21:39 |
| Sukhdev | anteaya:-) | 21:39 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187267/ | 21:39 |
| mestery | thanks armax | 21:39 |
| Sukhdev | BTW, I am not against phase 2, please do not take me wrong - but, thought it should be volunteer basis | 21:40 |
| armax | Sukhdev: the long term goal for the decomp was all to take everything out | 21:40 |
| armax | Sukhdev: backing out now is non-sensical | 21:40 |
| HenryG | An update to that patch is due shortly, with a lot more info | 21:40 |
| Sukhdev | unless you guys have a data to say that what we have is broken | 21:40 |
| russellb | it's just incomplete | 21:40 |
| armax | Sukhdev: it’s not that it’s broken, it’s not the end goal we set for ourselves | 21:40 |
| mestery | Right | 21:41 |
| mestery | The end goal was everything decomposed | 21:41 |
| armax | Sukhdev: surely we can always reassess over time | 21:41 |
| Sukhdev | mestery armax: OK - understood | 21:41 |
| armax | Sukhdev: but I don’t think we have enough ground to justify stopping halfway | 21:41 |
| mestery | armax: ++ | 21:41 |
| rkukura | Actually, once we move the drivers to different repos, we can re-compose them ;) | 21:41 |
| salv-mobile | I think what armax says was the plan in the first place | 21:41 |
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| HenryG | Even the "small" patches from vendors for their remaining in-tree code is drag on the core reviewing | 21:41 |
| dougwig | Sukhdev: do you really think the end goal is to have migrations and models in one-tree, and plugins in another? | 21:42 |
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| dougwig | and i don't know why i hyphenated that. | 21:42 |
| salv-mobile | There is no reason for leaving anything in tree, now that also the db migrations have a viable solution | 21:42 |
| Sukhdev | armax mestery: I am in agreement with you - please do not take me wrong - just want to make sure we are not doing work for the sake of doing work :-) | 21:42 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: When has that ever stopped anyone? :) | 21:42 |
| mestery | But seriously | 21:42 |
| armax | Sukhdev: true, and I appreciate the question, it’s not a generic question at all :) | 21:42 |
| mestery | We can't leave it half-baked like it is now | 21:42 |
| salv-mobile | sukhdev... Those who work for the sake of work never waste their time | 21:43 |
| armax | Sukhdev: I think it’s important to reassess regularly objectives in light of latest events | 21:43 |
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| Sukhdev | salv-mobile: :-) | 21:43 |
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| ajo | :-) | 21:43 |
| Sukhdev | Cool - I just wanted to raise everybody's attention - thanks for listening | 21:43 |
| armax | Sukhdev: but I believe that consistency is worth the extra step | 21:44 |
| Sukhdev | Looks like we have a consensus | 21:44 |
| dougwig | the yak is baby smooth. | 21:44 |
| ajo | stick ready.. ;) | 21:44 |
| mestery | and green! | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | dougwig: I don't like the color | 21:44 |
| armax | and as mentioned the past cycle, we won’t threaten of removal if if people don’t comply with the ‘law' | 21:45 |
| mestery | OK, I think we've reached the end ... of the meeting | 21:45 |
| mestery | Thanks for joinig this week! | 21:45 |
| * dougwig waves | 21:45 | |
| Sukhdev | thanks | 21:45 |
| mestery | We'll see you all on the ML and IRC! | 21:45 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 8 21:45:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-06-08-21.01.html | 21:45 |
| * ajo waves too | 21:45 | |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-06-08-21.01.txt | 21:45 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:45 |
| armax | so long | 21:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-06-08-21.01.log.html | 21:45 |
| yamamoto | bye | 21:45 |
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| ajo | 23:45, time to sleep ;D | 21:46 |
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