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| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 00:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 00:32:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:32 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 00:32 |
| loquacities | hello documentation lovelies! | 00:32 |
| bmoss | hello! | 00:32 |
| loquacities | who is here? | 00:32 |
| JRobinson__ | o/ hello | 00:32 |
| darrenc | hello! | 00:32 |
| pshige | o/ | 00:32 |
| adahms | Morning all! | 00:32 |
| sunny-dee1 | hey | 00:33 |
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| loquacities | pshige: welcome! | 00:33 |
| * loquacities quickly adds ironic docs to the agenda, and hopes no one notices | 00:33 | |
| loquacities | sunny-dee! great to see you! | 00:33 |
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| pshige | :) | 00:33 |
| sunny-dee | loquacities: i'm blushing | 00:33 |
| bmoss | what's ironic is that you posted that to the list while expressing the desire that no one notices. | 00:33 |
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| loquacities | sicarie: hi :) | 00:34 |
| * sicarie tries to sneak in quietly | 00:34 | |
| loquacities | bmoss: sssh! | 00:34 |
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| loquacities | (i think they're on to me!) | 00:34 |
| loquacities | sicarie: failed, sorry :P | 00:34 |
| loquacities | furface, suyog hello! | 00:34 |
| sicarie | that’s about how my day is going | 00:34 |
| sicarie | hello! | 00:34 |
| bmoss | eh, it's like rain on your wedding day, or free ride when you've already paid. | 00:34 |
| furface | hey loquacities :) | 00:34 |
| suyog | hi, loquacities! | 00:34 |
| loquacities | alrighty, let's get rolling ... | 00:34 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 00:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:35 | |
| loquacities | none from the US meeting | 00:35 |
| loquacities | and one for adahms about the APAC openstack meetup | 00:35 |
| adahms | Yep | 00:36 |
| loquacities | we might hit that one later on in the agenda, so let's move right along | 00:36 |
| adahms | Roger that | 00:36 |
| loquacities | #topic Install and Config Reference have now been branched for Kilo. | 00:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Install and Config Reference have now been branched for Kilo. (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:36 | |
| loquacities | #info To backport, commit to master with Backport: Kilo in your commit message. | 00:36 |
| loquacities | that shouldn't be news to anyone at this point | 00:36 |
| loquacities | any questions on the kilo branch? | 00:36 |
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| loquacities | #topic core team changes | 00:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "core team changes (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:37 | |
| loquacities | #info Please welcome our new core Darren Chan, and bid a fond adieu to Summer Long and Bryan Payne | 00:37 |
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| loquacities | gee, don't all speak at once :P | 00:37 |
| asettle | Woah | 00:38 |
| bmoss | Hello Goodbye | 00:38 |
| asettle | Sorry | 00:38 |
| * darrenc takes a bow | 00:38 | |
| bmoss | quoth the Beatles | 00:38 |
| loquacities | lol | 00:38 |
| JRobinson__ | Darren congratulations :) | 00:38 |
| adahms | Welcome darrenc! | 00:38 |
| asettle | YAY darrenc | 00:38 |
| loquacities | any beatles quote is ok by me :) | 00:38 |
| sicarie | congrats darrenc! | 00:38 |
| suyog | Congrats, darrenc! | 00:38 |
| darrenc | thanks! | 00:38 |
| pshige | Congratulations! | 00:38 |
| loquacities | #topic Please ensure any bug you work on has been triaged first. This is to prevent unnecessary work. | 00:38 |
| JRobinson__ | Summer and Bryan - Sad to see you both go :( your patches and expertise and skills were stellar. | 00:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Please ensure any bug you work on has been triaged first. This is to prevent unnecessary work. (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:39 | |
| loquacities | so, this one is just a PSA, really | 00:39 |
| loquacities | we've noticed a few patches we had to nuke from orbit just before they gated | 00:39 |
| loquacities | so making sure someone else has triaged your bug before you work on it is a Really Good Idea (tm) | 00:39 |
| loquacities | if you're desperate to get started, feel free to ping someone in the IRC channel or on the list | 00:40 |
| loquacities | there should be a core around in most timezones | 00:40 |
| loquacities | any questions on that one? | 00:40 |
| JRobinson__ | Could we flag that as info? re: collaborate to get triage and patches moving | 00:40 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: go right ahead :) | 00:40 |
| loquacities | anyone can use the info tag, not just me :P | 00:40 |
| JRobinson__ | #info Make sure someone else has triaged your bug before work stars. Contact writers in IRC or the list for help | 00:41 |
| loquacities | thanks! | 00:41 |
| loquacities | ok, that's it for the PSAs | 00:41 |
| loquacities | #topic Liberty specs in review | 00:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:41 | |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 00:41 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/183138 (Install Guide RST conversion) | 00:41 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177934/ (API work) | 00:41 |
| loquacities | #info there's also a few training specs, that probably need love | 00:42 |
| loquacities | any issues or questions on specs in flight? | 00:42 |
| loquacities | ok, let's roll over to speciality team updates ... | 00:43 |
| loquacities | #topic Specialty teams | 00:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specialty teams (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:43 | |
| loquacities | #info HA Guide - RST Underway: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide | 00:43 |
| loquacities | #info Install Guides - Spec now up for review https://review.openstack.org/183138 | 00:43 |
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| loquacities | #info User Guides - Cloud Admin Guide RST conversion now underway | 00:43 |
| bmoss | just a note on this | 00:43 |
| loquacities | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Cloud_Admin_Guide_Migration | 00:43 |
| loquacities | bmoss: go ahead | 00:43 |
| bmoss | Sam-I-Am has audited the networking information in the Cloud Admin Guide, and much of it may be taken out. | 00:44 |
| bmoss | So for now please focus RST migration efforts on other sections of the guide | 00:44 |
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| loquacities | cool, thanks bmoss | 00:44 |
| loquacities | you should do that as an info, too, so it goes in the minutes ... | 00:45 |
| JRobinson__ | #info for the Cloud Admin RST conversion, avoid networking content since the networking content may change soon | 00:45 |
| bmoss | JRobinson__ has my back. :) | 00:45 |
| loquacities | thanks JRobinson__ :) | 00:45 |
| loquacities | he's all over it :P | 00:45 |
| JRobinson__ | that's right :) | 00:45 |
| loquacities | #info Security Guide - No update, but needs love. Lana to touch base with Nathaniel. | 00:45 |
| loquacities | i confess, i haven't done this | 00:45 |
| asettle | Noted (since I was on the networking stuff) | 00:45 |
| * sicarie waves hello | 00:45 | |
| loquacities | hi sicarie :) | 00:45 |
| loquacities | i'm sorry i haven't emailed you about this yet | 00:46 |
| sicarie | That’s why I’m here - I deliver! | 00:46 |
| sicarie | no worries | 00:46 |
| loquacities | and i'm excited you came! | 00:46 |
| loquacities | (makes me look less slack :P ) | 00:46 |
| sicarie | hehe | 00:46 |
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| sicarie | So we have several contributors waiting on the RST migration as well: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1463111 | 00:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463111 in openstack-manuals "OpenStack Security Guide - Convert to RST format" [High,Triaged] | 00:46 |
| sicarie | I’d like to outline what work is needed there, put it in that bug, and volun-script helpers in the sec-guide meeting | 00:46 |
| loquacities | ohhhh, i didn't realise that was going ahead in this release | 00:47 |
| sicarie | I just saw the HAGuide and Cloud Admin Guide, so I’ll go through there, but any outline on how to proceed, what is automated, and what isn’t would be awesome | 00:47 |
| sicarie | loquacities: yeah, we were trying to delay it, but there are several significant sections where contributors just don’t want to deal with docbook | 00:47 |
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| sicarie | I say they deal with python syntax rules, docbook should be fine, but I seem to be in the minority on that | 00:48 |
| loquacities | sicarie: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate | 00:48 |
| sicarie | awesome | 00:48 |
| loquacities | ok, we can handle that | 00:48 |
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| loquacities | i also wouldn't mind a blueprint+spec, if that's possible? | 00:48 |
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| sicarie | Yep, will do that as soon as the work is scoped | 00:49 |
| loquacities | excellent | 00:49 |
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| loquacities | keep me posted :) | 00:49 |
| sicarie | will do | 00:49 |
| loquacities | thanks sicarie | 00:49 |
| sicarie | other than that I’m working on the Networking security section with Edgar, and starting the Compute review | 00:49 |
| sicarie | those are in-flight, nothing else major | 00:49 |
| loquacities | cool beans | 00:49 |
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| loquacities | let's move on to the final few speciality teams, then | 00:50 |
| loquacities | #info API docs - Please look at the new spec | 00:50 |
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| loquacities | #info Networking Guide - Test & review. | 00:50 |
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| loquacities | #info Ops/Arch Guides - New speciality team! Thanks Shilla https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide | 00:50 |
| loquacities | #info Config Ref - New speciality team! Thanks Guavain Details TBA | 00:50 |
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| loquacities | #info also, FYI, we now have a speciality team catch all page to keep track: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 00:51 |
| loquacities | any further questions on speciality teams before we move on? | 00:51 |
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| loquacities | #topic APAC Meetups | 00:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "APAC Meetups (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:51 | |
| loquacities | #info Planning for an APAC OpenStack meet up in June, ping asettle & adahms | 00:52 |
| loquacities | adahms: this is your moment! | 00:52 |
| adahms | Heya | 00:52 |
| adahms | :) | 00:52 |
| adahms | Not much change from the last time we met, I'm afraid | 00:52 |
| asettle | adahms, was going to let us know if there was a date in the near to distant future (before swarm) if we can meet | 00:52 |
| asettle | Ah | 00:52 |
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| adahms | Given how much is going on over the next few months, I think the next logical time to meet up will be the swarm | 00:52 |
| loquacities | bummer | 00:52 |
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| loquacities | ok, np | 00:53 |
| adahms | It's just going to be a really busy time of year, I'm afraid :( | 00:53 |
| loquacities | #info Planning for APAC Docs Swarm on 13-14 August, ping Suyog | 00:53 |
| loquacities | adahms: i know them feels | 00:53 |
| suyog | hello | 00:53 |
| loquacities | hi! | 00:53 |
| asettle | The room is all booked and accounted for, suyog ? :) | 00:53 |
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| suyog | It is. Though any Pizza/food has to be consumed on level 1. | 00:54 |
| suyog | :) | 00:54 |
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| loquacities | man, such draconic measures! | 00:54 |
| bmoss | I like how pizza is a separate category from food | 00:54 |
| loquacities | asettle: can you please send me an email to remind me to chase rackspace swag? | 00:54 |
| adahms | There is pizza, though - this is a good thing | 00:54 |
| loquacities | bmoss: it is its own food group | 00:54 |
| asettle | loquacities, can do. | 00:54 |
| loquacities | ta | 00:54 |
| bmoss | indubitably! | 00:54 |
| suyog | ha ha.. and i like that category is owned by Rackspace :) | 00:54 |
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| loquacities | so, i know asettle and sunny-dee have been discussing the architecture of that book | 00:55 |
| loquacities | is there anything we need to know about that at this stage? | 00:55 |
| asettle | Nothing at the moment. I was talking with bmoss and I haven't heard anything back other than Shilla and her team are happy to help us out | 00:55 |
| loquacities | ok, neat | 00:55 |
| loquacities | let's move on, then | 00:55 |
| loquacities | #topic Ironic Docs | 00:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ironic Docs (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:56 | |
| loquacities | so, devananda and i discussed this at summit | 00:56 |
| pshige | I'd like to start discussing on Ironic documentation for Liberty. | 00:56 |
| loquacities | (ping mrda you might be interested here) | 00:56 |
| pshige | at the cross-project workshops? | 00:57 |
| loquacities | so, docs don't currently have capacity to bring ironic docs into our repo | 00:57 |
| loquacities | pshige: that's right | 00:57 |
| loquacities | however i agreed that what we could do is identify a speciality team to help out with editing/writing support | 00:57 |
| loquacities | so the ironic docs get writing help to polish them up, but they'll remain in the ironic repos | 00:58 |
| loquacities | i think at this stage we need a good idea of what docs you need help with, so we can best identify a team to help you out | 00:59 |
| loquacities | pshige: ?? | 01:00 |
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| pshige | maybe we should start with the install guide | 01:01 |
| loquacities | ok | 01:01 |
| loquacities | that's often a good place to start :) | 01:01 |
| pshige | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/deploy/install-guide.html | 01:01 |
| loquacities | #action: Lana to work with Ironic dev team to identify a docs speciality group to help with updating the Ironic Install Guide http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/deploy/install-guide.html | 01:02 |
| pshige | please give us a lot of help to polish it. | 01:02 |
| loquacities | we can absolutely do that | 01:02 |
| loquacities | it seems instantly logical to me to ask the install guide team, but they're also in the middle of a major RST conversion, so i'll get back to you on that | 01:02 |
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| loquacities | ok, that wraps up all the formal agenda items i had! | 01:03 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion. | 01:03 |
| pshige | Thank you! | 01:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion. (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:03 | |
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| loquacities | no trouble pshige | 01:03 |
| loquacities | thanks for coming along :) | 01:03 |
| loquacities | it's great to have representation from the other groups here from time to time | 01:03 |
| loquacities | no other points of order? | 01:04 |
| suyog | Nothing from me. | 01:04 |
| loquacities | easy, ok | 01:04 |
| JRobinson__ | One email conversation from the openstack-docs list: | 01:04 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: hit me! | 01:04 |
| JRobinson__ | Common files in RST conversion can turn up build errors | 01:05 |
| JRobinson__ | #info If a common file is in the toc of one guide, consider moving it into the source file for that guide to prevent build errors | 01:05 |
| darrenc | JRobinson__: use the :orphan: directive | 01:05 |
| loquacities | oh, is that the repetition issue bmoss was seeing a while back? | 01:06 |
| bmoss | yep | 01:06 |
| bmoss | it persists | 01:06 |
| loquacities | right, we might add that to the PSAs for the next meeting | 01:06 |
| bmoss | :orphan: is the easiest workaround | 01:06 |
| JRobinson__ | #info And the :orphan: directive marking on the file can also prevent sphinx marking the doc as an error | 01:06 |
| loquacities | and stick it in the what's up doc for this week, too | 01:06 |
| bmoss | but it is a bit of a pain that we need to work around it. | 01:06 |
| JRobinson__ | thanks darrenc | 01:06 |
| loquacities | yep, thanks for letting me know | 01:07 |
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| JRobinson__ | np, loquacities bmoss thanks also | 01:07 |
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| loquacities | ok, thanks everyone | 01:07 |
| loquacities | if there's nothing else ... ? | 01:08 |
| bmoss | thanks loquacities | 01:08 |
| sicarie | loquacities: thanks! | 01:08 |
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| suyog | Thanks, loquacities. | 01:08 |
| pshige | thanks all! | 01:08 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 01:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:08 | |
| darrenc | thanks loquacities | 01:08 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 01:08:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-06-10-00.32.html | 01:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-06-10-00.32.txt | 01:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-06-10-00.32.log.html | 01:08 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 07:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 07:01:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 07:01 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 07:01 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 07:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:01 | |
| Qiming | hi | 07:01 |
| elynn | o/ | 07:01 |
| skraynev | o/ | 07:01 |
| KanagarajM | hi | 07:02 |
| ochuprykov | hi | 07:02 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 07:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to the agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:03 | |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-06-10_0700_UTC.29 | 07:03 |
| shardy | o/ | 07:03 |
| stevebaker | shardy: hai! | 07:03 |
| shardy | sorry I'm late | 07:03 |
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| stevebaker | feel free to add anything, or paste it here. lets move on in the meantime | 07:04 |
| stevebaker | #topic heat reviews https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 07:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "heat reviews https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:04 | |
| * asalkeld in-n-out - making food for kids | 07:05 | |
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| stevebaker | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178046/ is stale, I'll remove it for now | 07:05 |
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| skraynev | I'd ask to review this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180539/ | 07:06 |
| stevebaker | KanagarajM: I'll make https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1353670 a High | 07:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1353670 in heat "Stack Abandon is unsafe" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Kanagaraj Manickam (kanagaraj-manickam) | 07:06 |
| skraynev | after that I think, that new job will be green for all clients patches :) | 07:06 |
| skraynev | and we will make it voting | 07:06 |
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| KanagarajM | stevebaker: sure. | 07:06 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev: what is post_test_hook for? | 07:08 |
| stevebaker | ah, heatclient | 07:08 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: aha :) for launching functional tests with env variables on the gate | 07:09 |
| stevebaker | its already in the list | 07:09 |
| stevebaker | no change to the Core feature changes (convergence etc). reviews would be welcome | 07:10 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: ok, just wanted to give update about it ;) | 07:10 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: I'll take a look tomorrow, unless it is approved before that | 07:10 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: cool! thx | 07:10 |
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| stevebaker | lots of specs to review | 07:11 |
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| stevebaker | looks like about half of them might be close | 07:12 |
| stevebaker | #topic High priority bugs | 07:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "High priority bugs (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:13 | |
| stevebaker | take a look at the link in the agenda, too big to paste here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-06-10_0700_UTC.29 | 07:13 |
| stevebaker | I'm not seeing anything new there | 07:14 |
| asalkeld | no, many could be medium priority | 07:15 |
| stevebaker | there are a bunch of High, In Progress which could be put in the heat-reviews list | 07:15 |
| stevebaker | I'll do that tomorrow | 07:15 |
| asalkeld | ok | 07:15 |
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| stevebaker | We could discuss what to do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1463531 | 07:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463531 in heat "get_attr doesn't work with block_device_mapping" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Rabi Mishra (rabi) | 07:16 |
| asalkeld | is rabi around? | 07:17 |
| shardy | ramishra: ^^ | 07:17 |
| stevebaker | rather, about the general issue of validation failing early because non-created resources result in get_attr returning None | 07:17 |
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| stevebaker | I'm not sure https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190008/ would help | 07:18 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: there is a spec that will help | 07:19 |
| stevebaker | None due to not specified is different to None due to get_attr eval | 07:19 |
| asalkeld | property groups | 07:19 |
| asalkeld | KanagarajM: ^ | 07:19 |
| asalkeld | that will at least see if a value is provided | 07:20 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: the other option is to look at self.properties.data['property'] | 07:20 |
| KanagarajM | asalkeld: yes, it should take care | 07:20 |
| asalkeld | that should "see" if a value is provided | 07:20 |
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| KanagarajM | asalkeld: while evaluating the depenedecy prps. | 07:21 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: I have met a lot of potential places, where we can get same issue | 07:21 |
| asalkeld | yip, it's a common problem | 07:21 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: yeah, we'll need to decide if resource validation methods need to be aware of provided None vs default None, or if we can handle this in a general way | 07:22 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: maybe something like self.properties.is_provided('property') | 07:23 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: sure | 07:23 |
| stevebaker | KanagarajM: which blueprint? | 07:23 |
| shardy | stevebaker: amounts to the same thing doesn't it? We just need to differentiate (provided, default) from get_attr? | 07:23 |
| shardy | but then indirect get_attrs are still tricky e.g nested stacks, hence the strict_validate workaround.. | 07:23 |
| KanagarajM | stevebaker: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172386/ | 07:23 |
| stevebaker | KanagarajM: ah, so it just makes more of our validation declarative? | 07:24 |
| KanagarajM | stevebaker: yes. | 07:24 |
| stevebaker | that would help, we probably need a solution for python validation too | 07:25 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Open Discussion | 07:26 |
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| KanagarajM | stevebaker: I missed to ask about a spec, | 07:26 |
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| KanagarajM | Monasca resource plugin https://review.openstack.org/174262 | 07:26 |
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| KanagarajM | I have recently updated to remvoe the contrib entry | 07:27 |
| KanagarajM | based on the decision made in summit. | 07:27 |
| stevebaker | KanagarajM: I'm sure you could start that blueprint with the expectation that the spec will be approved soon | 07:28 |
| KanagarajM | stevebaker: sure :) Thanks. | 07:28 |
| ochuprykov | I'd like to discuss this spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183506/9 about batching | 07:28 |
| asalkeld | ochuprykov: what is the question about it? | 07:30 |
| therve | The fact that this spec needs to exist is super sad :/ | 07:30 |
| ochuprykov | asalkeld: the main observations were about common parts between asg and resource_group | 07:30 |
| stevebaker | ochuprykov: yes that seems like a valid concern | 07:31 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: if it makes sense | 07:31 |
| stevebaker | sure | 07:31 |
| skraynev | therve: why ? | 07:32 |
| skraynev | why is it sad ? | 07:32 |
| shardy | skraynev: because we've got two parallel implementations of essentially the same thing :( | 07:32 |
| therve | skraynev, "Nova doesn't work, let's work around it in Heat" | 07:32 |
| asalkeld | ochuprykov: i think just a little section on what code can/can't be shared | 07:32 |
| shardy | oh, and that too ;) | 07:32 |
| therve | shardy, Well that too | 07:32 |
| ochuprykov | shardy: not the same | 07:32 |
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| ochuprykov | shardy: I decided to remove min_in_service from properties as not relevant | 07:33 |
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| shardy | ochuprykov: functionally, they do the same thing, the diverged implementation is a historical mistake | 07:33 |
| asalkeld | shardy: as soon as we made aws vs. openstack resources that was going to be the case | 07:33 |
| shardy | which, ideally, it would be good not to perpetuate | 07:33 |
| skraynev | therve: honestly, I think that each project on scale with 100 input requests will fails.... | 07:33 |
| asalkeld | shardy: then we should only do aws resources? | 07:34 |
| asalkeld | i think not :-O | 07:34 |
| ochuprykov | shardy: batching can be applied to create, and not only to update of existing resources | 07:34 |
| skraynev | therve: anyway I agree, that it's not Heat work in the perfect world :) | 07:34 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: No, I don't really get why you would say that, inheriting from the AWS implementation was also a mistake | 07:34 |
| shardy | I thought we agreed to refactor so we had a library of *group functions, like many months ago | 07:35 |
| shardy | but we're still discussing how to duplicate functionality in multiple places instead | 07:35 |
| asalkeld | ok, so you just worried about using library code? | 07:35 |
| ochuprykov | shardy: 2 main parts that can be common: create_templates and _rolling_update | 07:35 |
| shardy | asalkeld: I just would prefer we didn't end up with (potentially complex and hard to maintain) batch replacement code in two or more places | 07:36 |
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| ochuprykov | but _rolling _update in this case have different logic | 07:36 |
| asalkeld | shardy: we dont' live in a perfect world | 07:36 |
| skraynev | shardy: so you suggest to make a refactoring with moving common functions for this case. and after that add batching to resource_group, right? | 07:37 |
| ochuprykov | no need to have min_in_service instances worked during batching | 07:37 |
| asalkeld | i'd rather have the feature than not | 07:37 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: Sigh, yeah I know, I'm just proposing we stop the divergence, if possible :) | 07:37 |
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| shardy | skraynev: if that can be done in a sane way, yes | 07:37 |
| asalkeld | can we agree to share implementation as much as sanely possible? | 07:38 |
| ochuprykov | but there is no many common parts | 07:38 |
| ochuprykov | we have different rolling_update logic and different _create_template method | 07:38 |
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| ramishra | Hi | 07:38 |
| therve | ochuprykov, Because ResourceGroup just doesn't suport the feature | 07:38 |
| therve | If it did there would be more common parts | 07:38 |
| shardy | ochuprykov: that is the whole problem... | 07:38 |
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| ochuprykov | some places of code can be moved to stack_resource | 07:39 |
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| ochuprykov | but this implies to many changes on dependant classes | 07:39 |
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| therve | Yes | 07:39 |
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| ochuprykov | i'd rather not to do such refactoring in this spec | 07:40 |
| asalkeld | ochuprykov: rathe move code out of classes and into utility fuctions | 07:40 |
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| asalkeld | ochuprykov: why not? | 07:40 |
| * shardy sighs | 07:40 | |
| asalkeld | it's a part of development | 07:40 |
| asalkeld | shardy: can you explain more details of what you want in the spec review? | 07:40 |
| asalkeld | hard to explain stuff here | 07:40 |
| ochuprykov | asalkedl: we will get ugly functions with many parameters and if-else logic dependant on resource type | 07:40 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Ok, I already stated my opinion, but I can do some deeper analysis if ochuprykov isn't keen to do it | 07:41 |
| shardy | (I've already commented on the review) | 07:41 |
| asalkeld | ok | 07:41 |
| asalkeld | i'll look at the spec too - tomorrow | 07:41 |
| * asalkeld is getting hungry watching everyone else eat supper | 07:42 | |
| stevebaker | anything else? | 07:42 |
| stevebaker | or I shall #endmeeting | 07:42 |
| asalkeld | call it | 07:42 |
| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 07:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 07:43:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-06-10-07.01.html | 07:43 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: agree | 07:43 |
| stevebaker | thanks everyone | 07:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-06-10-07.01.txt | 07:43 |
| skraynev | :) | 07:43 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-06-10-07.01.log.html | 07:43 |
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| KanagarajM | bye everyone. | 07:45 |
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| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 15:00:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
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| BobBall | Any takers today? johnthetubaguy? | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am lurking, but also lurking in another meeting | 15:01 |
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| BobBall | Me too | 15:01 |
| BobBall | in another meeting that is | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | heh | 15:01 |
| BobBall | Which brings me to the first point | 15:01 |
| BobBall | I'm proposing a change in meeting time | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I don't really have any updates, beyond sulo working on an interesting live-migrate patch | 15:02 |
| BobBall | Same day, but early - possibly 10am CET | 15:02 |
| BobBall | no, not CET | 15:02 |
| BobBall | GMT :) but anyway | 15:02 |
| BobBall | Got a team in Nanjing that will want to be part of this meeting going forward | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Will propose it on the ML too | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | #topic XenServer CI | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cools | 15:03 |
| BobBall | The CI has had an interesting week - after RAX networking issues were fixed we got running | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | but are now hitting a new race (think it's fixed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189397/) | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | and we were also broken this morning - but that was fixed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190103/ | 15:03 |
| BobBall | I think things are looking good ATM | 15:04 |
| BobBall | images are being created in several regions and working nicely | 15:04 |
| BobBall | so I'm happy | 15:04 |
| BobBall | but there are a few interesting races that we're still hitting | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | Also had to recently increase dom0 memory _again_ https://review.openstack.org/186260 | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, interesting | 15:05 |
| BobBall | devstack is getting hungrier by the day | 15:05 |
| BobBall | I'm a little worried that in a few months we might not even fit in an 8gb instance | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:06 |
| BobBall | Is https://review.openstack.org/189731 the one you mentioned for Sulo? | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:07 |
| BobBall | OK good | 15:07 |
| BobBall | I'm aware of that one and have reviewed it already | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | The other comment that I didn't think was worth mentioning is if he was going to change the plugins he'd need to update the version :D | 15:08 |
| BobBall | OK - Moving on. | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:08 |
| BobBall | Our internal CI is broken ATM; smoke is fine but full keeps on hitting races in tests that are excluded in upstream CI | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | Trying to resolve the issues but it's a hard slog tracing them down | 15:09 |
| BobBall | several seem to be related to disk access | 15:09 |
| BobBall | Which brings me to another point... | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | Don't use XenServer 6.5 attaching to iSCSI volumes (the default with Cinder) | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, good point to share | 15:10 |
| BobBall | I'm working on a fix | 15:10 |
| BobBall | which should be simple | 15:10 |
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| BobBall | but if you do use it then I can't guarantee that you won't connect to the wrong backend device and have a nice corruption or similar :) | 15:10 |
| BobBall | so uhhh don't do it | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | eek | 15:11 |
| BobBall | I think that's all I wanted to say | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | races are interested though | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | are those on XenServer 6.2 or 6.5 or both? | 15:11 |
| BobBall | 6.2 | 15:12 |
| BobBall | oh - hang on - maybe 6.5 | 15:12 |
| BobBall | no | 15:12 |
| BobBall | 6.2 | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we have seen XenServer 6.2 (fully patched) as quite stable these days | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | be interested to see the races you are seeing | 15:12 |
| BobBall | Maybe I can clean them up a bit | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | given we just upgraded production to something close to the end of kilo | 15:13 |
| BobBall | Final point - doing an overview of the libvirt+xen CI on Monday at 16:00 | 15:13 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: You'll want alaski's fix then ;) | 15:13 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189397/ | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think thats where it came from, but not totally sure | 15:13 |
| BobBall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1463039 is kilo backport potential | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463039 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "BandwidthUsage object has no attribute 'instance_uuid'" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Andrew Laski (alaski) | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | we pushed up a good bunch of things this time | 15:14 |
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| BobBall | *nod* good | 15:14 |
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| BobBall | OK - I think we're done | 15:15 |
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| BobBall | Anything more, raise it on the ML. I'll also send a message about the change in meeting time. | 15:16 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting | 15:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 15:16:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-06-10-15.00.html | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-06-10-15.00.txt | 15:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-06-10-15.00.log.html | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: cool, thanks, catch you soon | 15:16 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 16:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| thingee | hi everyone | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi! | 16:00 |
| kmartin | hello | 16:00 |
| scottda | hey | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| earlephilhower | Howdy | 16:00 |
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| jseiler__ | hi | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | hi | 16:00 |
| nikeshm_ | hi | 16:00 |
| asselin_ | hi | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| rhe00_ | hi | 16:00 |
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| dguryanov | hi | 16:00 |
| BharatK | hi | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
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| dannywilson | hello | 16:00 |
| thingee | first announcements! | 16:00 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| thingee | #topic announcements | 16:00 |
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| thingee | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/liberty-1 | 16:01 |
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| thingee | #info Liberty-1 will be ending around June 25th or earlier | 16:01 |
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| thingee | As I have mentioned in the previous meeting, June 10th (today) is purging of blueprints from L-1 | 16:02 |
| thingee | These have been moved to L-2 | 16:02 |
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| thingee | only if they contained no working code | 16:02 |
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| thingee | we're down to 28 bps that need code review. | 16:02 |
| thingee | I suspect others to be removed because of the driver deadline coming up | 16:02 |
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| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064072.html | 16:03 |
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| thingee | #info June 15th proposed drivers for Liberty without passing code in Jenkins and a CI will be removed. These drivers will have to submit for the M release. | 16:04 |
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| cFouts | o/ | 16:04 |
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| thingee | One spec will be approved this friday: | 16:04 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150511/ | 16:04 |
| dustins | o/ | 16:04 |
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| thingee | The standard capabilities | 16:04 |
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| thingee | #info standard capabilities (just the terms) will be approved this friday | 16:05 |
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| thingee | please speak up if something isn't right there, but this is pretty straight forward | 16:05 |
| thingee | this is not to be confused with what I spoke at the summit which depends on this change, to expose capabilities from a backend. | 16:05 |
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| thingee | ok lets get started! | 16:05 |
| hemna | morning | 16:05 |
| thingee | agenda for today | 16:06 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:06 |
| thingee | #topic Replication v2 | 16:06 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: hi | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | thingee: hey | 16:06 |
| thingee | I unexpectedly as jgriffith to go over this with the last few comments that came in | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | So I talked to a lot of people in channel last week | 16:06 |
| hemna | can we un-abandon the spec ? | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | and I abandoned the spec | 16:06 |
| thingee | as patrickeast mentioned, when you threaten to approve something, you get feedback :) | 16:06 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155644/ | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | I can certainly turn it back on | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | and am still willing to work on it | 16:07 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: +1 to restore it | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | but I've come to the conclusion that specs suck... or at least I suck at writing them | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | +1 | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to provide a POC of the code I have in mind to go with the spec | 16:07 |
| hemna | because getting feedback is hard. | 16:08 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: sounds like other people can do the writing for you. as long as you agree with what they wrote, you can just implement it? | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | and I'd like to avoid the circular arguments that we are runnign in to | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | thingee: haha... that's one way to do it I suppose | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | but I want to be clear, it's not that i don't want to write it | 16:08 |
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| thingee | would anyone mind helping jgriffith with the spec? | 16:08 |
| thingee | jgriffith: of course | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | it's that everybody raises implementation detail objections | 16:08 |
| xyang1 | thingee: It's maybe better to have the code reviewed and approved first, and then review and approve the spec:) | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | which IMHO is not the right for the spec | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: +1000 | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | I'll work on the POC and hopefully have something for us to talk about next Wed meeting | 16:09 |
| hemna | xyang1, as long as that goes for everyone else in the Cinder community | 16:09 |
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| hemna | instead of just a special few | 16:09 |
| dannywilson | I can help with spec if needed | 16:09 |
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| xyang1 | hemna: +1 | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: I think that was half joking | 16:10 |
| xyang1 | hemna: implementation always goes out of sync with the spec any way | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | don't get all worried | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | anyway, that's all I really have | 16:10 |
| patrickeast | so maybe while the POC code is being worked on we should put the spec in a WIP state instead of abandonded? | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: I'll do that now | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: The intention was not to derail the process. We simply need to understand how this will work for systems that only support uni-directional replication. | 16:10 |
| thingee | hemna: anyone can submit code before a spec. I just won't approve it. But you can always reference that to make a point that isn't easy from the spec. | 16:11 |
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| tbarron | maybe POC implementation can start in parallel with further spec refinement, but spec would still merge before code? | 16:11 |
| hemna | thingee, sure that's fine. I think several of us have done that. | 16:11 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith, thingee: I'm seriously proposing this change on code vs spec review | 16:11 |
| thingee | hemna: although, if you need the code to make your point clear in your spec, I would question your solution's complexity ;) | 16:11 |
| hemna | thingee, I'm just saying it needs to apply to everyone. | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: oh.. :) | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: honestly not a bad idea.. even if it's just gists or simple POC that goes in your won github branch | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | xyang1: probably a good topic for later | 16:12 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: sure :) | 16:12 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: well glad to hear this is still moving forward. | 16:12 |
| * jgriffith hates specs and thinks they're broken so will certainly agree with xyang1 :) | 16:12 | |
| xyang1 | jgriffith, thingee: I'll propose this topic for the mid cycle meetup:) | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +2 | 16:13 |
| thingee | I also agree it's something to revisit. I'm just enforcing them now since that's what our current process is. I don't think we should diverge in the middle of of a release without rediscussing on fixing our process. | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: understood, we have to.. for now that's what we have | 16:13 |
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| thingee | anything else for jgriffith ? | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | I agree that we have gotten too wrapped around the axel on some Specs. | 16:14 |
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| thingee | ok | 16:14 |
| thingee | winston-d: around? | 16:14 |
| thingee | #action jgriffith will continue POC replication v2 code to make point in his spec | 16:15 |
| thingee | is anyone able to speak on cinder active/active progress? | 16:15 |
| thingee | specifically https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CinderNovaAPI | 16:15 |
| thingee | DuncanT: ? | 16:15 |
| scottda | I'm not sure that's the etherpad for active/active... | 16:16 |
| thingee | scottda: correct this is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-active-active-vol-service-issues | 16:16 |
| thingee | but we made that first etherpad a dependency to start things | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | thingee: I've got a mess of nova patches to try to make this work... it isn't proving easy. That's all the update I've got, not spent much time on it since last week | 16:16 |
| thingee | #topic cinder active/active | 16:17 |
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| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-active-active-vol-service-issues | 16:17 |
| thingee | DuncanT: is anyone else working on this with you? | 16:17 |
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| DuncanT | thingee: Right now, no, since it was billed as a 'just add try/catch' so I wanted to knock up a patch. I can push to github and start working with Winston though | 16:18 |
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| hemna | thingee, I've been helping a bit, but have just been busy the last weeks with non cinder stuff and then the nova os-brick patch | 16:18 |
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| hemna | thingee, the first step was to get the nova bug fixed. | 16:19 |
| hemna | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1458958 | 16:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1458958 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Exceptions from Cinder detach volume API not handled" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Vilobh Meshram (vilobhmm) | 16:19 |
| hemna | that one | 16:19 |
| hemna | which is basically the try/catch stuff in Nova and dealing with the exception gracefully. that has to happen first. | 16:19 |
| hemna | without that, we can't really do anything in Cinder, or land anything that is. | 16:19 |
| thingee | hemna: I was confused by this. why is there a bug just linking to a bp? | 16:19 |
| hemna | thingee, vilobh's last comment in that bug ? | 16:20 |
| thingee | yes | 16:20 |
| hemna | not sure, I just noticed that myself | 16:20 |
| thingee | anyways, maybe winston-d will have an update for us later this week in channel. | 16:20 |
| hemna | well I guess the bug was specific to one case | 16:20 |
| thingee | #info not much progress? need update from winston-d | 16:21 |
| hemna | and maybe the BP is to cover the entire topic, meaning all cinder interactions. | 16:21 |
| * hemna is just guessing at this point. | 16:21 | |
| thingee | #topic get volume driver capabilities | 16:21 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183947/ | 16:21 |
| thingee | so there has been some talk in this specs on using the glance metadata. | 16:22 |
| thingee | for storing the capabilities. As I've spoke in the spec, I don't think we should be storing this information | 16:22 |
| thingee | I do think the format which their parser to build out the GUI is pretty neat looking. | 16:22 |
| thingee | not sure if anyone else has seen the work that has already been done there. | 16:22 |
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| hemna | I think the glance thing is overkill personally | 16:23 |
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| thingee | the proposed format would look something like: | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | The Glance thing defeats the whole of the dynamic part | 16:23 |
| thingee | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/281270/ | 16:23 |
| hemna | also, the driver capabilities can change at any time, so the glance metadata will be out of date. | 16:23 |
| thingee | DuncanT: +1 | 16:23 |
| hemna | just seems like a lot of problems to introduce using that. | 16:23 |
| thingee | GUI example (warning video with sound): | 16:24 |
| thingee | #link https://youtu.be/e6MYAUzZZag?t=117 | 16:24 |
| tbarron | hemna: +1 | 16:24 |
| thingee | so I think this maybe getting a bit ahead of ourselves. | 16:24 |
| thingee | The changes I made to the spec was to not really so much talk about the uses of Horizon, etc. It was just, here's the format, something can consume this. | 16:25 |
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| hemna | thingee, +1 | 16:25 |
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| hemna | are we planning on specifying the actual keys as well that everyone needs to report ? | 16:25 |
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| thingee | but Travis and Michal brought up is, should be folllowing a unified format so that other openstack clients can parse it easily | 16:25 |
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| thingee | hemna: that was the separate spec I mentioned in the announcements https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150511/ | 16:26 |
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| hemna | ok sorry. | 16:27 |
| hemna | thanks | 16:27 |
| janonymous_ | o/ Hi | 16:27 |
| thingee | ok so sounds like no one cares about unified format for providing this information to clients? | 16:27 |
| thingee | jgriffith: ? | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | thingee: :) | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I'm no longer arguing this one | 16:27 |
| thingee | lol | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I need to choose my battles | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | So if horizon can consume that format already, and it is no less featureful than the one we invented.... | 16:28 |
| hemna | thingee, I'm ok with it. | 16:28 |
| hemna | as long as we aren't required to use the glance metadata API to store the stuff. | 16:28 |
| thingee | well I saw the comments from travis and michal and in my head I heard jgriffith's voice saying something along the lines of "whoa, I think we're getting ahead of the horse here" ... or something :) | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | hemna +1 | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:28 |
| thingee | lol | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:29 |
| thingee | ok, I think I got what I wanted | 16:29 |
| thingee | thanks :) | 16:29 |
| thingee | hehe | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | I'll just say again, people need to remember what makes cloud and things like AWS and GCE attractive to people | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | simplicity, abstraction and the biggest thing we seem to be missing "reliability" | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | shit should just work | 16:30 |
| vilobhmm | jgriffith : +1 | 16:30 |
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| geguileo | jgriffith: +1 | 16:30 |
| thingee | #topic our current code base | 16:30 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: hi! | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | Oh yay!! Me again :) | 16:31 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-code-cleanups | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | So I started to touch on this in the past | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | but I am hoping to maybe get some buy in on at least a few of these things | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | I've listed the things I have started picking at a little here and there | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to see if there's interest in making a team effort to clean some of our mess up | 16:32 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | and I'd like to propose NO MORE big changes until we at least finish the ones we started | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ++ | 16:32 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: +1 | 16:32 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: +1 | 16:32 |
| thingee | jgriffith: would I derail us here if I asked, what came of people picking up the taskflow clean up work that was discussed at the summit? | 16:32 |
| vilobhmm | jgriffith : +1 | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | Ok... so everybody says "+1" | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | how many are willign to work on it :) | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | willing | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | so it's not "fun" | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | and it's not necessarily "easy" | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | the logging one is fairly straight-forward at least | 16:33 |
| e0ne | thingee, jgriffith: afair, dulek works on taskflow and aarefiev works on performance testing on it | 16:33 |
| vilobhmm | jgriffith : I can help | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I am happy to help with the logging stuff. Hope to have some people to help out as well. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | the targets one and the others might need some input/decision on whether we stick with them or punt or what | 16:34 |
| hemna | jgriffith, can we file a BP on each of these items, and have folks comment in the BP on what they are going to work on? | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | but currently, all the FC stuff for example is in it's own model, the iscsi in another | 16:34 |
| hemna | jgriffith, we have to update our drivers to use the ABC structure. | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | and vendors are picking either the target model or dirver inheritance model | 16:34 |
| thingee | jgriffith: can do abc work to help mkoderer. would give me a chance to audit CI's too ;) | 16:34 |
| e0ne | i volunteered to add hacking rules for oslo.log, but didn't finish it yet:( | 16:34 |
| tbarron | jgriffith: I'm updating our ABC stuff, was working a bit w mkoderer on remotefs/NFS/etc. ABC | 16:34 |
| hemna | jgriffith, there isn't an FC target though, so the FC drivers can't migrate, FYI | 16:35 |
| xyang1 | we should update our drivers to use ABC as well | 16:35 |
| e0ne | xyang1: +1 | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | hemna: no, but I have an FC target that just inherits the base target driver | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | hemna: and uses the same design | 16:35 |
| tbarron | am happy to consult with others as they migrate their drivers to ABC | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: IMO the design is either what we want, or it's not | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | and we should be consistent | 16:35 |
| hemna | jgriffith, ok maybe we can chat about that in cinder channel and I can see what I can do to help with the FC drivers. | 16:35 |
| tbarron | hemna: the interface classes are the tricky part | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | I'm certainly not saying we should go backand change what's in already | 16:36 |
| tbarron | remotefs was probably the worst though | 16:36 |
| hemna | jgriffith, I'd like to understand it a bit, then I can work on that. | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: cool | 16:36 |
| thingee | jgriffith: just occurred to me that the new drivers coming in for liberty should've been told about the new ABC work. | 16:36 |
| hemna | maybe use the 3PAR FC driver as a guinea pig. | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yeah, that was my other gripe | 16:36 |
| thingee | #action thingee to update how to contribute driver documentation about the ABC stuff | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I've got a driver that will be up hopefully later today that uses it :) | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I need to finish it and get some testing done | 16:37 |
| thingee | jgriffith: :) | 16:37 |
| hemna | :) | 16:37 |
| thingee | jgriffith: gogogo! | 16:37 |
| vilobhmm | jgriffith, jungleboyj : let me know if you need help regarding logging cleanup stuff… | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | the other thing is if we decide the model isn't any good we can abandon it | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | but we need to do one or the other IMO | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | vilobhmm: thanks! | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | vilobhmm: my thought was have a few folks just take a module if they have time | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | vilobhmm: The API service is the worst one right now | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | in terms of consistency etc | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | anyway... that's what I had | 16:38 |
| vilobhmm | jgriffith : sure.. | 16:38 |
| patrickeast | are we going to coordinate work for these tasks on that etherpad or bp’s or ?? | 16:39 |
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| patrickeast | so if i wanted to help out and sign up for some piece of this, where do i go, who do i ask? | 16:39 |
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| hemna | patrickeast, I say BPs for each of the efforts ? | 16:39 |
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| patrickeast | jgriffith: i’m guessing you are leading this effort? | 16:39 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: I think bps might be a bit much here. just have an etherpad, person puts a name and module(s) | 16:39 |
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| vilobhmm | thingee : etherpads a better option IMHO | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:41 |
| patrickeast | ok cool | 16:41 |
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| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-log-cleanup | 16:41 |
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| thingee | #action thingee to figure out where in the wiki to have these sort of initiatives so they're not lost | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: should we just use the one etherpad? | 16:43 |
| thingee | jgriffith: sure! | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | thingee: and update sections in it? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I only ask because I'll never be able to find all the etherpads :) | 16:43 |
| thingee | jgriffith: yeah was just saying I'd like to fix that. | 16:43 |
| thingee | ok cool | 16:44 |
| thingee | anything else? | 16:44 |
| thingee | for clean ups | 16:44 |
| thingee | #topic open discussion | 16:44 |
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| thingee | a reminder to cinder reviews (not just core)... | 16:45 |
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| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-drivers | 16:45 |
| thingee | #info drivers that are ready for review, and what isn't | 16:45 |
| thingee | as I see it | 16:45 |
| thingee | please sign up | 16:45 |
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| thingee | stuff is already being merged, which is great. | 16:45 |
| patrickeast | thingee: you mentioned ci auditing earlier, i was curious what our rules were for ci’s staying online… i’ve noticed lots have sort of fallen off the reviews (mines guilty of this too for periods of time while we are messing with it) | 16:45 |
| earlephilhower | Should vendors add their own to the list? I'm missing from that etherpad. :( | 16:46 |
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| thingee | earlephilhower: what is yours? | 16:46 |
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| thingee | earlephilhower: link to review | 16:46 |
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| earlephilhower | thingee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186580/ HGST Solutions | 16:47 |
| earlephilhower | BP in comments | 16:47 |
| diemt | thingee: Oracle iSCSI CI is now working. Is it possible to move it to the "ready" section? | 16:47 |
| thingee | patrickeast: I don't really have any I guess. Just looking to see if they're running at all. we probably should talk about next steps of expecting from CIs at this point | 16:47 |
| thingee | patrickeast: at least for vendors that have had periods to make improvements and understand their ci's | 16:47 |
| thingee | diemt: I'm waiting for a period for the CI to be running stable | 16:47 |
| Swanson | does my driver need to be on that list to stay in liberty? | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: patrickeast I'd propose we all look at subunit reports | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: patrickeast I can be a test for that | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | thingee: patrickeast and see if folks want to voluntarily follow suit? | 16:48 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: seems reasonable | 16:48 |
| diemt | thingee: It has been running since 6/8. Could you let me know how long it has to be stable to be moved? | 16:48 |
| xyang1 | Swanson: the list is only for new drivers | 16:48 |
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| Swanson | xyang1: thanks. that's what I thought but best to check. :) | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | thingee: patrickeast something along the lines of this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183696/4/doc/source/graph-count.png | 16:49 |
| thingee | earlephilhower: I'll take a closer look | 16:49 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: thingee: i guess one thing that concerns me is that i don’t know what kind of uptime i need or *when* it needs to be working to avoid having a driver potentially removed… we kind of have this threat of they need a ci working to stay in tree | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | or better: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183696/4/doc/source/graph-failures.png | 16:49 |
| patrickeast | but not really defined exact rules on when things would be removed | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: I'm working on collecting some data | 16:50 |
| earlephilhower | thingee: Thx | 16:50 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: oo nice graphs | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: and we can kidna figure out what we think after that | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: without the data I don't think we want to make too many decisions :) | 16:50 |
| thingee | jgriffith: sounds good | 16:50 |
| patrickeast | there was some forward progress (i think) in the ci working group earlier as far as a dashboard for ci's | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | I think it's going to be surprising for some | 16:50 |
| patrickeast | maybe that will help too | 16:51 |
| thingee | alright thanks everyone | 16:52 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 16:52:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-06-10-16.00.html | 16:52 |
| dguryanov | I have a question about CI for third-party drivers. | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-06-10-16.00.txt | 16:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-06-10-16.00.log.html | 16:52 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 21:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | ✔️ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | hello | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| hurricanerix_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| gvernik | hello | 21:00 |
| ho | o/ | 21:00 |
| dmorita | hi | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:00 |
| minwoob_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
| clayg | \o/ | 21:01 |
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| cutforth | o/ | 21:01 |
| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
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| aerwin | o/ | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | welcome! | 21:01 |
| notmyname | so as I said^Wthreatened in vancouver, I've been spending some time on figuring out what's going on | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | which means we have a lot of stuff on the agenda today | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | so let's get started and see how far we can make it | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | #topic python 3 | 21:02 |
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| torgomatic | I bet we get all the way to the end of the meeting by the time we're done | 21:02 |
| notmyname | first up, python 3 | 21:02 |
| mattoliverau | torgomatic: wise words | 21:02 |
| notmyname | this is an ongoing discussion in the larger openstack community | 21:02 |
| notmyname | but for us specifically, what are we doing? | 21:03 |
| notmyname | specifically, if we start now with supporting py3, we'll be adding a new dependency | 21:03 |
| clayg | I see ss-python-six already in my builds so I'm down with adding the depends | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189495/ | 21:03 |
| haypo | python3 for the win! | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | yeah, it's already a dependency for swiftclient | 21:03 |
| notmyname | and other openstack things | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | but not yet for swift server-side | 21:03 |
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| haypo | notmyname, six is the defacto choice to add py3 support to a python project | 21:04 |
| clayg | notmyname: what about python-future - it's like six - but with support upstream? | 21:04 |
| notmyname | clayg: I don't know about it | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | tell me more :-) | 21:04 |
| torgomatic | seems like we need it by 2016-04 since that's when the new Ubuntu LTS will show up with py3 by default | 21:04 |
| clayg | notmyname: maybe i should just ask on the ML -> http://python-future.org/ | 21:04 |
| haypo | six is now used in all oslo projects, a lot of dependencies and more and more openstack applications | 21:05 |
| notmyname | seems that six is how the rest of openstack is doing it | 21:05 |
| clayg | better -> http://python-future.org/faq.html#what-is-the-relationship-between-future-and-six | 21:05 |
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| haypo | clayg, what do you mean by "support upstream" for python-future? | 21:05 |
| notmyname | clayg: do you think we should hold off on six because of questions around python-future that should be answered first? | 21:06 |
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| haypo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Python3#Port_Python_2_code_to_Python_3 | 21:06 |
| haypo | yes, six is the choice to add python 3 support in openstack | 21:06 |
| clayg | haypo: I need to dig up the link - there was a pep somewhere | 21:07 |
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| haypo | clayg, i'm a python core developer and i'm not aware of this pep :-/ | 21:07 |
| clayg | lol - perhaps I'm mistaken then! | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | haypo: hang on, I want to hear what clayg says about holding off on six if there are other questions he has :-) | 21:08 |
| haypo | clayg, all PEPs are listed here: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/ | 21:08 |
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| haypo | do you know applications using python-future? i'm not aware of any project using python-future :-/ | 21:09 |
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| tdasilva | haypo: i don't thik clayg is saying we have to use python-future, he just raised a question of something that maybe we should look at | 21:10 |
| zaitcev | let's move on, come on | 21:10 |
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| clayg | yeah don't wait on me | 21:10 |
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| clayg | notmyname: stop it :P | 21:11 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:11 |
| clayg | I'm fine with six - like I said I already had it packaged | 21:11 |
| notmyname | clayg: do you think there are question about python-future that need to be answered ? | 21:11 |
| notmyname | ie before using six? | 21:11 |
| haypo | clayg, (python 3 has a builtin concurrent.futures modules, this module was backported as "futures" for python 2 on PyPI. the module has a PEP. is it the "futures" PEP?) | 21:11 |
| clayg | awhile back portante said if we wait long enough on py3 the industry will standardize on the tools to run a 2/3 compatible code base and we just follow that instead of trying to cut the path - i wasn't sure if the winners have already been picked | 21:12 |
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| clayg | I do like futures.install_aliases() instead of form six import name | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | but, as you said earlier, you're ok with six | 21:13 |
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| haypo | clayg, "the industry will standardize" you didn't answer. do you know if python-future is used? i'm not aware of any project using it. does openstack have this dependency in global requirements for example? | 21:13 |
| haypo | i cannot find python-future on PyPI!? | 21:14 |
| clayg | haypo: sorry man, but I think you mis-understood my question - i'm not advocating | 21:14 |
| notmyname | haypo: hold on. nobody is attacking using six | 21:14 |
| ho | btw which version of py3 should we support? latest? | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | the question is only about adding the dependency of six to swift today. is that something that should be done | 21:14 |
| haypo | ho, in openstack, it was decided to focus on 3.4 | 21:15 |
| ho | haypo: thanks! | 21:15 |
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| haypo | ho, oslo already dropped 3.3 support | 21:15 |
| clayg | haypo: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/future | 21:15 |
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| haypo | clayg, oh thanks :) | 21:15 |
| notmyname | the fact that openstack projects are converging on six is strong support for six | 21:15 |
| torgomatic | if we want to deal with python 3 now, then we should add six (or whatever) now... the more interesting question to me is whether we want to deal with it now or push it off until later | 21:15 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: yes, that | 21:15 |
| redbo | I don't know, every time someone says "X is the openstack choice", it makes me think we should do something completely different. | 21:15 |
| notmyname | redbo: :-) | 21:15 |
| clayg | redbo: lol | 21:15 |
| haypo | so no, "future" is not in openstack global requirements | 21:15 |
| acoles | :) | 21:15 |
| notmyname | redbo: which is why I like talking about other stuff that's out there :-) | 21:16 |
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| torgomatic | redbo wins this meeting | 21:16 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | ok, the question is if anyone things we should NOT do six/py3 compat today (ie start the patches now instead of later) | 21:16 |
| haypo | torgomatic, i started to send py3 patches to swift because almost all dependencies are now python3 compatible | 21:17 |
| clayg | notmyname: so can you make a "chore" task to try and ask on the ML if anyone knows of any projects (not openstack) that are choosing python-future instead of six for the single code base that runs on python 2 or 3 strategy | 21:17 |
| torgomatic | so, my opinion: I don't want to deal with python 3 right now. There's enough stuff to do with fixing all the damage EC did when it went in, among other things, that it's not a priority for me. HOWEVER | 21:17 |
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| clayg | notmyname: oh i mean - chore for me | 21:17 |
| clayg | notmyname: well anyway - point is - I'll do the email | 21:17 |
| haypo | only pyeclib doesn't support py3 yet, and i sent a patch for that | 21:17 |
| torgomatic | if other people want to take on the effort, I won't object. I'm just not going to make py3 stuff a priority right now. | 21:17 |
| haypo | https://bitbucket.org/kmgreen2/pyeclib/pull-request/24/fix-python-3-issues/diff | 21:17 |
| clayg | notmyname: but back to torgomatic's question I'd be keen on "not standing in the way of someone who wants to work on swift python3" | 21:18 |
| clayg | notmyname: as in I can run unitests against python3 just fine - so if someone makes that work i'll make sure I don't regress it | 21:18 |
| notmyname | that is the impression I get from others: not a priority but would support someone else doing it | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ho: redbo: acoles: do you agree? | 21:18 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: | 21:18 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: | 21:18 |
| redbo | sure | 21:19 |
| ho | notmyname: i agree | 21:19 |
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| haypo | clayg, my plan for swift is that same than other openstack projects (i'm porting nova, ceilometer, glance & swift to py3): add a py34 gate as soon as possible, and make it voting | 21:19 |
| notmyname | (unfortunately, in swift, we are the people who get to actually support it. we can't just punt to someone else) | 21:19 |
| clayg | notmyname: you know with dropping py2.6 I already sorta feel like we got a whole new python | 21:20 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | ok, so here's a resolution: | 21:20 |
| acoles | notmyname: agree but would like a gate job to avoid regressions | 21:20 |
| notmyname | let's add the dependency for six today, and allow the py3 patches to continue. propose and review as other patches | 21:21 |
| clayg | haypo: oh no wonder you're all up in my grill about something different - you'd be the one dealing with the different :P | 21:21 |
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| mattoliverau | haypo sounds like he's keen to make it work, and we already use six in swiftclient so lets add it as a dependancy | 21:21 |
| notmyname | anyone opposed to starting the py3 patches in swift? ie saying that we will review and maintain py3 code in swift? | 21:22 |
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| cschwede | some time in the future we have to do it, and if there are volunteers right now that’s fine IMO | 21:22 |
| tdasilva | sounds good to me. should the py34 gate be done before any patches go in? | 21:22 |
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| haypo | notmyname, the more important side effect is that new code will have to be compatible with py3, developers will have to be aware of python3 | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | ho: which brings up the testing issue | 21:22 |
| notmyname | haypo: ^ | 21:22 |
| haypo | notmyname, which issue? | 21:23 |
| notmyname | haypo: can you propose a -infra test and the necessary swift tox.ini changes to add a py34 test? | 21:23 |
| cschwede | we could add a py3 tox env? | 21:23 |
| notmyname | haypo: the fact that we need it :-) | 21:23 |
| haypo | notmyname, sure, that's part of my plan ;) | 21:23 |
| notmyname | cschwede: yeah, that's what I'm asking haypo to do | 21:23 |
| notmyname | haypo: great. then I'd like to see that ASAP. sooner the better | 21:24 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:24 |
| cschwede | yes, posted at the same time :) | 21:24 |
| haypo | notmyname, today, it doesn't make sense because there are too many failures. we need most of the py3 patches that i submited to run a subset of tests on py 3.5 | 21:24 |
| haypo | py 3.4* | 21:24 |
| haypo | notmyname, i agree (ASAP) | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | #agreed allow for the new six dependency and py3 changes in swift | 21:24 |
| notmyname | haypo: I want to see it added as non-voting asap, even if it fails today | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | #action haypo to add a py3 check job (non-voting) to swift | 21:25 |
| haypo | notmyname, ok, i can do that | 21:25 |
| notmyname | haypo: thanks | 21:25 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on :-) | 21:25 |
| haypo | coolness | 21:25 |
| acoles | notmyname: do we have a "grace" period while the py34 tests is non-voting - or do any pending reviews that fail have to be fixed by their authors? | 21:25 |
| notmyname | haypo: thank you for your work on this | 21:25 |
| zaitcev | anything that helps knowing if we re-introduce 2.x code | 21:25 |
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| haypo | notmyname, you're welcome. you can help by reviewing patches :-D | 21:25 |
| notmyname | acoles: I think that's ok. I'd say use your discression as a reviewer | 21:25 |
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| acoles | notmyname: ok but that implies the gate job is non-voting | 21:26 |
| notmyname | acoles: it will have to be initially | 21:26 |
| acoles | cool | 21:26 |
| notmyname | #topic priority reviews | 21:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priority reviews (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:26 | |
| notmyname | ok, first general question | 21:26 |
| notmyname | at the summit we got a great list of stuff to improve from ops | 21:26 |
| notmyname | however, I'm not sure really how to highlight those feature requests | 21:27 |
| tdasilva | is there an etherpad? | 21:27 |
| notmyname | ...somewhere... ;-) | 21:27 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: summary list on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:27 |
| tdasilva | perfect, thanks | 21:28 |
| notmyname | question is, do we keep trackign them there on a wiki page, or do we need something else? | 21:28 |
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| mattoliverau | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-swift-ops-feedback | 21:28 |
| notmyname | these don't have patches yet, so gerrit doesn't help | 21:28 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:28 |
| tdasilva | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:28 |
| notmyname | here's something I'm thinking, and I'd love your feedback | 21:28 |
| notmyname | start using the priority reviews wiki page as a place to track what's going on and stuff that should be prioritized for new stuff (like ops requests) | 21:28 |
| notmyname | and use only the gerrit dashboards to prioritize patches to review | 21:29 |
| notmyname | (the change is that we used to list patches to review on the priority reviews wiki page) | 21:29 |
| notmyname | what do you think? | 21:29 |
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| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | that sounds sensible, and there's no point listing patches in review twice | 21:30 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: how about using launchpad bugs with Importance as wishlist? | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | The name prioroty reviews might need to change tho | 21:30 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: I think that's a good idea, but LP bugs are rather crude for tracking stuff. IMO they're only marginally good for tracking bugs. and pretty terrible for "todo tasks" | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | (I'll get to bugs later in the meeting) | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | eg one reason LP bugs are bad for todo tasks is becausee the status are new, confirmed, fix released, invalid, etc. not stuff that maps well to new features | 21:32 |
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| acoles | notmyname: imho its great to have the wiki as a place that summarise whats going on, it was good having the reviews listed there but we can experiment with managing that through gerrit and see how it works | 21:32 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: it's just that you can add comments to them, start building a history on the discussion and what not | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: hmm..I'll have to think more on that. it's a good point | 21:33 |
| kota_ | acoles: +1 | 21:33 |
| ho | acoles: +1 | 21:33 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: you started doing such a great job with LP bugs grooming! :D | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | ok, I'll keep the wiki as an overview of stuff going on and the dashboard as a way to track priority reviews | 21:33 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: "started". lots more to do ;-) | 21:34 |
| notmyname | ok, now for some specific stuff | 21:34 |
| cschwede | what about „empty“ commits in gerrit? and the one who starts working on it does a „git commit —amend —reset-author“. | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: that's interesting | 21:34 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: what's the status of container sharding? can you give us an update? | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | sure | 21:35 |
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| mattoliverau | Firstly, blmartin, a coworker of jrichli has started helping, he’s helping out with unit tests until he feels more confident to tackle something more meaty | 21:35 |
| notmyname | great | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | The root container now contains copies of all distributed nodes, so can “short circuit” (as discussed at summit). | 21:36 |
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| mattoliverau | clayg: ^^ | 21:36 |
| acoles | nice | 21:36 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: have you been able to get some large containers to test and experiment on? | 21:36 |
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| mattoliverau | only ones I have made myself using word lists | 21:36 |
| notmyname | I was hoping hurricanerix_ or redbo could help with that ;-) | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | :) | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | I have a new algorithm for finding the best candidate sub tries for sharding, the new method in testing has been quicker and far far more memory efficient. It uses what I call a counting trie, that has counters at each intermediate node which increment when adding an object. | 21:37 |
| notmyname | (since they would be able to do that in the same company with less privacy issues) | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | good point :) | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | As soon as a node counter has hit the magic max_group count a method is fired, but the trie will only store the deepest candidate node. | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | To keep it memory efficient, as soon as you create a new child at any node, all other children in that node are recursively deleted. Meaning it deletes nodes as quickly as they are added. This means objects need to be added in order, but we do that cause database. | 21:37 |
| notmyname | redbo: hurricanerix_: could you work with mattoliverau to get some large container DBs to help with the container sharding effort? | 21:38 |
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| mattoliverau | These both have been added and in testing are working well. | 21:38 |
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| hurricanerix_ | notmyname: i can take that on | 21:38 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix_: thanks | 21:38 |
| mattoliverau | I’m working on benchmarks ATM, and was hoping to have something today, but I don’t. I need to benchmark different max_group_counts to find out whats best, that may take a while seeing as I will be dealing with large containers each time. | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | #action hurricanerix_ to get large container dbs for mattoliverau to test container sharding on | 21:38 |
| mattoliverau | Further, shrinking will be hard.. but I have some ideas and will get to that post initial benchmarking. | 21:39 |
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| mattoliverau | </brain dump> | 21:39 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:39 |
| mattoliverau | I will be writing this up as a new patch to the spec. | 21:39 |
| notmyname | thanks for the update | 21:39 |
| notmyname | ah, perfect | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | acoles: jrichli: could you give an update on encryption work? | 21:39 |
| jrichli | sure, i could do that | 21:39 |
| acoles | jrichli: go for it | 21:40 |
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| jrichli | The updates to the spec landed! | 21:40 |
| acoles | thanks mattoliverau torgomatic | 21:40 |
| kota_ | nice | 21:40 |
| jrichli | I have updated the trello recently with status of issues: https://trello.com/b/63l5zQhq/swift-encryption | 21:40 |
| jrichli | Also, I try to keep the list of "TODO's" up-to-date on the patch 157907 | 21:40 |
| patchbot | jrichli: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157907/ | 21:40 |
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| jrichli | I am currently working on the functest errors and adding more unit tests | 21:41 |
| notmyname | jrichli: what do you need right now from the rest of us? | 21:41 |
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| jrichli | Please start to supply feedback on the review. I know there is a lot, and its a WIP, | 21:42 |
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| jrichli | but some feedback to start on would be good | 21:42 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | I've starred it | 21:42 |
| notmyname | thanks for the update | 21:42 |
| jrichli | cool, thx | 21:42 |
| notmyname | swifterdarrell isn't here to talk about his patch | 21:42 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184189/ | 21:42 |
| notmyname | "Allow 1+ object-servers-per-disk deployment" | 21:43 |
| mattoliverau | That's a shame cause it's an exciting one :) | 21:43 |
| zaitcev | I think I manhandled him into relocating the most interesting blob from bin/ | 21:43 |
| notmyname | summary is that it allows for a lot of isolation of the disk IO and shows some very impressive improvements in performance when there is a drive issue | 21:43 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: good! | 21:43 |
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| zaitcev | so we could review the patch and imagine it's already back in swift/ | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | it's definitely a priority review. the analysis of performance linked in the commit message are quite extensive | 21:44 |
| torgomatic | yeah, that one's pretty exciting | 21:44 |
| notmyname | please go review that patch | 21:44 |
| torgomatic | it's all the IO isolation of the threadpools without all the slowdown of the threadpools | 21:45 |
| zaitcev | I'm thinking he may need some help imagining unit tests for that thing. Like: we fork this and this, and this process dies, then what happens? | 21:45 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix_: redbo: I'd especially love to see anything you can do on it. if you can put it in your lab that would be great | 21:45 |
| zaitcev | He already does probe tests which is pretty impressive. | 21:45 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix_: redbo: you've got some of the densest object servers I know, and you've talked about stuggling with this issue | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | (issue == inconsistent latency on responses) | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | hurricanerix_: redbo: also, I'd like to ask you to work on similar sorts of comparative testing for python/golang. like what's in darrell's patch | 21:47 |
| hurricanerix_ | notmyname: redbo had to step out, but I will pass it on to the team to see what we can do. | 21:47 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix_: great | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | hurricanerix_: basically, the sorts of comparisons that are in that patch i want to see for golang vs python. I think that would help make a very data-driven discussion | 21:48 |
| notmyname | whew, look at the time... | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: you mentioned on the agenda about landing specs | 21:48 |
| mattoliverau | yeah | 21:48 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift-specs,n,z | 21:48 |
| notmyname | we do have a lot of not-landed specs | 21:49 |
| mattoliverau | I wanted to see if we could just land specs that we all verbally agreed upon on at summit | 21:49 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: which ones in particular did you want to call attention to? | 21:49 |
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| mattoliverau | teiring, metadata, event notification, large containers. | 21:50 |
| mattoliverau | stuff we have agreeed we are working on | 21:50 |
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| mattoliverau | we should get them so they appear on specs.o.o | 21:50 |
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| dmorita | I think changing policies is also agreed to move forward :) | 21:51 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, that too | 21:51 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks | 21:51 |
| mattoliverau | I'm happy to go +A them to get them in, but wanted to ask first :) | 21:52 |
| notmyname | I have starred those. I'll call people out over the next week to look at them if nothing isn't happening | 21:52 |
| mattoliverau | thanks | 21:52 |
| notmyname | #topic bugs | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | ok, I want to be better about LP bugs | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | as youve seen from your email, I've gone through some | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | my plan is to first get everything out of the "new" state | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | so if there is a bug in "new" that you see, feel free to comment, etc. | 21:53 |
| notmyname | after I get through all the "new" bugs, I'll start with some sort of prioritization | 21:53 |
| notmyname | a _lot_ of the bugs are very old and need to be reverified or just see what's going on there | 21:54 |
| notmyname | so for a few of them to mention this week | 21:54 |
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| notmyname | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1263776 | 21:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1263776 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "timestamp comparisons" [Medium,Incomplete] | 21:54 |
| notmyname | needs to be reverified | 21:54 |
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| notmyname | as dones | 21:55 |
| notmyname | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1019712 | 21:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1019712 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Database replicator will rsync too often" [Low,Incomplete] | 21:55 |
| notmyname | *does | 21:55 |
| notmyname | can I get a volunteer to look at each of these? | 21:55 |
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| cschwede | i take the first one | 21:55 |
| notmyname | cschwede: thanks | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: I assigned it to you. after you've verified one way or another, feel free to removed yourself | 21:56 |
| notmyname | anyone for the second one? | 21:56 |
| notmyname | taking a look at DB replication | 21:56 |
| notmyname | ? | 21:56 |
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| mattoliverau | I'll take it | 21:57 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:57 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: same as cschwede above | 21:57 |
| notmyname | eranrom: we've kinda run out of time. can we talk container sync next week? | 21:58 |
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| eranrom | sure, I wonder if I should just open a bug and dump my proposed solution there | 21:58 |
| notmyname | eranrom: that would be great | 21:58 |
| eranrom | will do | 21:58 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for coming this week. I want to try to do more like this in the next few meetings: get some status updates and highlight some patches and bugs | 21:59 |
| notmyname | please update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift as you have stuff for the meeting | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | thanks for coming! and thanks for working on swift! | 21:59 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 21:59:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-06-10-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-06-10-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-06-10-21.00.log.html | 21:59 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: thank you for all the hard work this week :) | 21:59 |
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| barrett1 | Hi Folks - Who's here for the product work group meeting? | 23:00 |
| sarob | o/ | 23:00 |
| Zucan | Good evening. I am. | 23:00 |
| hughhalf | Present! | 23:00 |
| MeganR | I'm here! | 23:01 |
| mscohen | me too | 23:01 |
| barrett1 | Great! | 23:01 |
| barrett1 | Let's get going and hopefully others will join along the way! | 23:01 |
| sarob | #startmeeting product-team | 23:01 |
| barrett1 | #startmeeting Product Work Group | 23:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 23:01:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product-team)" | 23:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_team' | 23:01 |
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| openstack | barrett1: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 23:01 |
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| sarob | barrett1 run the meeting for a minute | 23:02 |
| barrett1 | OK | 23:02 |
| sarob | im finishing another | 23:02 |
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| barrett1 | 1st item on the agenda is Action Plan Status and Updates | 23:02 |
| geoffarnold | o\ | 23:02 |
| barrett1 | # Topics Action Plan Status Updates | 23:02 |
| dhellmann | barrett1: you're not being logged, there was an error from the bot | 23:02 |
| barrett1 | Hi Geoff | 23:02 |
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| MeganR | I think the previous team left their meeting open | 23:03 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 23:03 |
| barrett1 | Dhellmann: Thanks! | 23:03 |
| barrett1 | #startmeeting Product Work Group | 23:03 |
| openstack | barrett1: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 23:03 |
| hughhalf | I suspect sarob may need to end the meeting | 23:03 |
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| barrett1 | dhellmann: Think sarob is the only one who can end the meeting now | 23:03 |
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| dhellmann | oh, is it sarob's meeting? | 23:03 |
| barrett1 | sarob - can you end the meeting so I can take over? | 23:03 |
| hughhalf | sarob and barrett1 both started meetings at the same moment | 23:04 |
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| dhellmann | barrett1: nevermind, it's good, keep going -- I saw the error, but not the success | 23:04 |
| barrett1 | Does anyone know if there is a way to override? | 23:04 |
| barrett1 | If not, then let's keep going... | 23:05 |
| dhellmann | barrett1: sarob can "#chair" you or we can just go ahead without | 23:05 |
| barrett1 | let's go without | 23:05 |
| sarob | whats wrong? | 23:05 |
| * dhellmann apologizes for the confusion, he's also watching the grill so he doesn't burn down the neighborhood | 23:05 | |
| hughhalf | sarob - both you and barrett1 sstarted meetings at the same moment | 23:05 |
| geoffarnold | a worthy goal | 23:05 |
| barrett1 | sarob: I can't change the topic because you're the chair | 23:06 |
| * hughhalf nods at geoffarnold | 23:06 | |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 23:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 23:06 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 10 23:06:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-06-10-23.01.html | 23:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-06-10-23.01.txt | 23:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-06-10-23.01.log.html | 23:06 |
| hughhalf | I suspect is sarob #endmeetings and barrett1 tries the start meeting again we'll be good to go | 23:06 |
| sarob | start as product-team | 23:06 |
| barrett1 | #startmeeting Product-Team | 23:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 10 23:06:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:06 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 23:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Product-Team)" | 23:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_team' | 23:06 |
| barrett1 | #topic Action Plan Status and updates | 23:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Plan Status and updates (Meeting topic: Product-Team)" | 23:06 | |
| barrett1 | OK - Item #1: Internal Communications | 23:06 |
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| barrett1 | Owners: Shamail and Hugh | 23:07 |
| barrett1 | How are things coming on terminology definitions, backgrounder and socialization plan? | 23:07 |
| hughhalf | I'm not sure if Shamail is here, we've tried to line up a time to discuss but I've been off sick unfortunately | 23:07 |
| hughhalf | we've both done bits independently, but nothing ready for discussion further sorry! | 23:07 |
| mscohen | shamail is on vacation. he said he will not be joining | 23:07 |
| barrett1 | Shamail is on vacation this week | 23:07 |
| hughhalf | Suggest we push due date to next week and we'll pick up then | 23:07 |
| barrett1 | Will do | 23:07 |
| hughhalf | Thanks barrett1 | 23:08 |
| barrett1 | Next up: Repo & Use Case Template | 23:08 |
| barrett1 | Owners: Rocky and Sean | 23:08 |
| barrett1 | What have you all learned and what are your thinking? | 23:08 |
| barrett1 | RockyG - You here? | 23:08 |
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| barrett1 | Sarob - Anything to share? | 23:09 |
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| barrett1 | OK - I'll use the ML to follow-up on that one or the next meeting. | 23:09 |
| barrett1 | Next up Item #3: Use Case Development & Selection | 23:09 |
| barrett1 | Owners: All of Us! | 23:10 |
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| barrett1 | Our goal is to have all use cases that we want to consider for the M-cycle posted by 6/14. | 23:10 |
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| barrett1 | Until we have an OpenStack repo, we are using: | 23:10 |
| barrett1 | #link: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BxtM4AiszlEyfllFelZYR2RqNDFfWVRvWWtlb09laGxwR2ljc3UxVEl5VEpfMEhicnlxUFk&usp=sharing | 23:11 |
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| barrett1 | We are targeting to consolidate & selecting top 5 use cases in the 6/24 meeting | 23:11 |
| barrett1 | How is it going for each of you in developing use cases? | 23:11 |
| nateziemann | Nate here, first meeting attending. I'd like to propose we move out another week on use cases. I'll review w/ my Product Managers of IBM offerings between now and then. | 23:11 |
| barrett1 | Hi Nate - Thanks for joining. | 23:12 |
| nateziemann | glad to be here !! | 23:12 |
| geoffarnold | That would work for me, bc most of the Cisco PMs are tied up at CiscoLive right now | 23:12 |
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| * hughhalf nods | 23:13 | |
| barrett1 | OK - so no issues? Folks on track to 6/14? | 23:13 |
| hughhalf | Err, I may have misunderstood but I think the nods etc. were in favour of shifting to 6/24 per nateziemann suggestion ? | 23:14 |
| barrett1 | Sorry, missed that. | 23:14 |
| stephenwalli | That was my understanding too. | 23:14 |
| hughhalf | np | 23:14 |
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| geoffarnold | Ditto | 23:14 |
| Zucan | Are we expecting more use cases to be posted? Or basically, we will be selecting 5 out of the 7 there? | 23:14 |
| barrett1 | Is the proposal to push the deadline for publishing use cases to 6/24? | 23:14 |
| Zucan | 6/24: sounds fine to me | 23:15 |
| barrett1 | Anyone have an issue with this? | 23:15 |
| hughhalf | 6/24 is fine with me | 23:15 |
| Gavin_Pratt_HP | 6/24 works for me | 23:15 |
| nateziemann | It would be great to gather more use cases and find a couple that really align across multiple companies we can get behind as a workgroup. 6/24 works for me. | 23:15 |
| MeganR | Sounds good to me | 23:16 |
| barrett1 | If not, do we want to push the date for reviewing, consolidating and selecting top 5 to July 8th? | 23:16 |
| barrett1 | I'll take silence for agreement :) | 23:17 |
| barrett1 | #agreed Change the due date for Use Cases to 6/24 and meeting for selecting top 5 to 7/8 | 23:17 |
| * hughhalf nods | 23:17 | |
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| barrett1 | I'll update our tracker to reflect the changes | 23:17 |
| nateziemann | not sure what peoples schedules will be like with July 4th holiday week. but I say shoot for July 8 and adjust as needed. | 23:18 |
| barrett1 | nateziemann: +1 | 23:18 |
| MeganR | I agree | 23:18 |
| barrett1 | Next Up is Item #4: Integration and Test Capability | 23:18 |
| barrett1 | Owner is Me | 23:18 |
| barrett1 | This is due late July and I’m getting more info to have some thoughts for a team discussion in early July | 23:18 |
| barrett1 | Stay tuned... | 23:19 |
| barrett1 | Next Item is #5: Recruit New Members | 23:19 |
| barrett1 | Owners: Shamail and I | 23:19 |
| barrett1 | Here's our status: | 23:19 |
| barrett1 | IBM: Welcome Nate Ziemann | 23:19 |
| nateziemann | :-) | 23:20 |
| sarob | im baaaack | 23:20 |
| Zucan | I am new too. Comcast. :) | 23:20 |
| MeganR | I would also like to introduce Scott Akins with Comcast | 23:20 |
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| barrett1 | SUSE: Welcome Pete Chadwick - Couldn't amke this meeting, but used the doodle to indiate what times work. | 23:20 |
| MeganR | :) | 23:20 |
| barrett1 | Welcome All! | 23:20 |
| barrett1 | VMWare: Shamail is working this one | 23:20 |
| stephenwalli | I’m new to this group as well. | 23:21 |
| Gavin_Pratt_HP | Welcome Scott | 23:21 |
| hughhalf | I should note perhaps this is the first IRC meeting he's been able to attend. I'm from Rackspace Private Cloud | 23:21 |
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| stephenwalli | although I do recognize a few folks :) | 23:21 |
| Gavin_Pratt_HP | & others :) | 23:21 |
| * hughhalf was in several sessions at the summit. | 23:21 | |
| hughhalf | Welcome all :) | 23:21 |
| barrett1 | NEC: I am working with Shibata-san on this | 23:21 |
| barrett1 | Last but not least, we wanted to get someone from Yahoo! to join | 23:22 |
| barrett1 | We need a contact – can anyone help? | 23:22 |
| hughhalf | I'll ask around my colleagues, I've an idea we've someone that's had dealings | 23:22 |
| barrett1 | hughhalf: Thanks! | 23:23 |
| barrett1 | sarob: Can you help? | 23:23 |
| stephenwalli | I’ll ask Gil Yehuda. | 23:23 |
| barrett1 | stephenwalli: thanks | 23:23 |
| sarob | yes | 23:23 |
| barrett1 | sarob: Thanks | 23:24 |
| barrett1 | With these additions I think we're close to our goal of having representation from the companies that are responsible for ~80% of the OpenStack contributions! | 23:24 |
| hughhalf | \o/ | 23:24 |
| MeganR | that's great! | 23:24 |
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| barrett1 | Next Up Item #6: Tags | 23:25 |
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| barrett1 | Owner: Sean | 23:25 |
| barrett1 | This one is due late July. Any update for now Sean? | 23:25 |
| barrett1 | sarob: you still with us? | 23:26 |
| barrett1 | Ok, moving on - Item #7: Plans for Tokyo | 23:27 |
| barrett1 | Owner: All of us! John Garbutt is interested in helping us too around Nova | 23:27 |
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| barrett1 | This due in September and expect it will be a topic in our mid-cycle meetup | 23:28 |
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| barrett1 | Any comments on this one? | 23:28 |
| hughhalf | Please forgive my poor memory, when/where is the mid-cycle ? | 23:28 |
| barrett1 | hughhalf: Excellent question - we haven't decided that yet, but it's on today's agenda to discuss! | 23:28 |
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| hughhalf | I can confirm John remains interested in assisting though - we've been discussing how best to contribute and engage with the WG in the office and he's a part of those conversations | 23:29 |
| hughhalf | Ah, no probs re mid-cycle, apologies that I missed that | 23:29 |
| barrett1 | No problem. | 23:29 |
| geoffarnold | We should ask the PTLs to put all the proposed midcycle dates in a wiki page or etherpad. scheduling will be challenging | 23:29 |
| barrett1 | geoffarnold: I've seen mailings from many of the projects on the dev list | 23:30 |
| geoffarnold | so have i... just not all of them | 23:30 |
| barrett1 | Tom Fifeld, Thierry or others - can you comment on plans to create a central list for this? | 23:31 |
| hughhalf | ttx ^^^ | 23:32 |
| barrett1 | geoffarnold: Can you follow-up on this. Think it would be appreciated by many! | 23:32 |
| geoffarnold | i will do so | 23:32 |
| * hughhalf notes that for heavy IRC users it's often better to refer to them by their nick as it will trigger an alert in their IRC client where their real name may not | 23:33 | |
| geoffarnold | Tell the bot to give me an action, please | 23:33 |
| barrett1 | hughhalf - Thanks for the tip! | 23:33 |
| hughhalf | np :) | 23:33 |
| barrett1 | #action geoffarnold to follow-up on midcycle meetup central calendar | 23:33 |
| barrett1 | That's it for our action plan review. Any last comments before we go to the next agenda item? | 23:34 |
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| barrett1 | #topic Roadmap Update Next Steps | 23:35 |
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| barrett1 | Mike - can you lead this? | 23:35 |
| mscohen | discusion yes | 23:35 |
| barrett1 | Thanks | 23:35 |
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| mscohen | there’s a lot of interest in keeping up the roadmap we started in the summit | 23:36 |
| mscohen | so we need some volunteers to help with this | 23:36 |
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| stephenwalli | Is there a link to the roadmap as it is today? | 23:36 |
| mscohen | not deciding the roadmap at all…but understanding what the current PTL plans are and trying to make them easily digestible | 23:37 |
| mscohen | we only have our previous preso from the summit | 23:37 |
| mscohen | Shamail should have a link for it…and we have the video of the session | 23:37 |
| MeganR | mscohen: I will be happy to help on the roadmap | 23:37 |
| mscohen | ok, great! | 23:37 |
| * hughhalf will be able to assist with a couple of PTLs he knows too | 23:37 | |
| barrett1 | I'll help too | 23:38 |
| hughhalf | May I ask a meta question briefly on the roadmap before we leave the topic ? | 23:38 |
| mscohen | is anyone interested in actually running point on this for our group | 23:38 |
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| * hughhalf volunteers Shamail on basis of his absence | 23:38 | |
| MeganR | +1 :) | 23:39 |
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| barrett1 | hughhalf: +1 :) | 23:39 |
| stephenwalli | Remind me to never miss a meeting | 23:39 |
| mscohen | well Shamail would be perfect if he wants to do it | 23:39 |
| hughhalf | mscohen - jokes aside, we can probably just leave that as a homework question, see if he'd be up to doing it | 23:39 |
| hughhalf | I'm happy to assist but don't know I have the depth of expertise yet to be point soley | 23:39 |
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| mscohen | yes, i can check with him and also start a thread on ML for it. | 23:40 |
| hughhalf | Perfect | 23:40 |
| mscohen | whoever takes this on will have lots of help. I’m happy to help too. Its just a lot to organize | 23:40 |
| mscohen | so we need someone to sign up for that. | 23:40 |
| barrett1 | #action: Mschohen to check with Shamail on leading the Roadmap update process | 23:40 |
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| barrett1 | Do we want to possibly focus on a subset of projects to make this more managable? Like: nova, keystone, glance, horizon, cinder, neutron? | 23:41 |
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| mscohen | thats not a bad idea | 23:42 |
| hughhalf | barrett1Yes, I think that has some merit | 23:42 |
| Zucan | Like all the core projects, or a subset? | 23:42 |
| hughhalf | focus on the core bits | 23:42 |
| stephenwalli | barrett1: +1 | 23:42 |
| nateziemann | core continues to get expanded. I like the idea of starting w/ something more managable and when successful, expand it. | 23:43 |
| barrett1 | hughhalf: that's what I was thinking. We can scale this as we go, but start walking now. | 23:43 |
| hughhalf | nateziemann yes fair point | 23:43 |
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| barrett1 | nateziemann: +1 | 23:43 |
| Zucan | So, we could do "cores from 3 cycles ago" :) | 23:43 |
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| Zucan | (jk) | 23:43 |
| mscohen | i’m liking this idea more and more though. i think barrett1’s list is pretty reasonable. | 23:44 |
| Zucan | +1 on the list above | 23:44 |
| Zucan | maybe add ceilometer? | 23:44 |
| barrett1 | Ceilometer adoption by Operators appears low. What's your thinking around adding them Zucan? | 23:45 |
| stephenwalli | What about swift? | 23:45 |
| geoffarnold | interesting how we always omit Swift. | 23:45 |
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| Zucan | My opinion is that adoption is low because of Ceilometer's own issues, but interest is high and project is suffering under its own weight. By that is my perspective. | 23:46 |
| barrett1 | I ommitted them for the same reason as Ceilometer - but the Swift adoption appears to be higher | 23:46 |
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| geoffarnold | the most stable project in the portfolio | 23:46 |
| barrett1 | Zucan: I think that is a good reason to include Ceilometer. | 23:46 |
| barrett1 | geoffarnold: Swift or Ceilometer? | 23:47 |
| nateziemann | the one question I have is do we include projects that seem to have lots of momentum and visibility right now. Magnum and Ironic come to mind. people will want to see what's happening there. | 23:47 |
| geoffarnold | swift. nobody would call ceilometer "stable" | 23:47 |
| hughhalf | Yes, I'd lean towards including Ceilo* too as there's a bit of a chicken and egg problem, low adoption due to some technical issues, but it (or something like it) seems be needed by all | 23:47 |
| Zucan | heh heh. :) | 23:47 |
| stephenwalli | From my perspective: As a group of product managers, how would we define the minimum product? | 23:48 |
| mscohen | well, lets remember the previous comments about starting smaller. we should include several more. the issue is the amount of work to do it | 23:48 |
| barrett1 | mscohen: +1 | 23:48 |
| stephenwalli | I like barrett1 list a lot. | 23:48 |
| geoffarnold | projects that have few cross-functional dependencies don't need our help so much | 23:48 |
| Zucan | Agree with that one | 23:48 |
| * hughhalf nods | 23:48 | |
| barrett1 | geoffarnold: +1 | 23:48 |
| geoffarnold | on the other hand, they're low-hanging fruit | 23:48 |
| hughhalf | yeah, small is good, let's do an excellent job on a smaller set, and go from there | 23:48 |
| geoffarnold | +1 | 23:48 |
| hughhalf | my $0.20 :) | 23:48 |
| Zucan | No reason not to start small and work out from there. | 23:49 |
| * hughhalf nods at Zucan | 23:49 | |
| barrett1 | So are we good with: #agree Focus roadmap update on: nova, keystone, glance, horizon, cinder, neutron? Or do we want to add swift and ceilometer because of their cross-project invovlement and overall Operator interest? | 23:49 |
| Zucan | I am fine without swift and ceilometer being in the initial list | 23:49 |
| barrett1 | oops - didn't mean #agree.... | 23:49 |
| geoffarnold | don't add either | 23:49 |
| barrett1 | #agree Focus roadmap update on: nova, keystone, glance, horizon, cinder, neutron, swift, celiometer cycle. | 23:50 |
| barrett1 | Do we want to try and set a timeline for completing the update? | 23:50 |
| mscohen | i’m confused. so we are adding swift / ceilometer? i just saw several no votes | 23:51 |
| geoffarnold | I'd prefer just nova, keystone, glance, horizon, cinder, neutron | 23:51 |
| barrett1 | mscohen: you're right, my mistake. | 23:51 |
| Zucan | heh. I didn't even notice :) | 23:51 |
| barrett1 | #agree Focus roadmap update on: nova, keystone, glance, horizon, cinder, neutron this cycle | 23:51 |
| mscohen | i’m just trying to save Shamail some work :) | 23:51 |
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| hughhalf | yes, shorter list fine with me too, lets keep swift and ceil* as stretch goals if we do a good enough result with shorter list | 23:51 |
| barrett1 | mscohen: nice guy! :) | 23:52 |
| barrett1 | hughhalf: +1 | 23:52 |
| mscohen | right, if we want to do a summit session again we may need to broaden this | 23:52 |
| mscohen | but that can be discussed at mid cycle maybe | 23:52 |
| barrett1 | mscohen: agree. | 23:52 |
| barrett1 | we're getting short on time, I'm going to move us on.... | 23:53 |
| barrett1 | I'd like to defer the mid-cycle meetup til next week when we have more info | 23:53 |
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| * hughhalf nods | 23:53 | |
| barrett1 | #topic Doodle outcome for new Meeting time | 23:54 |
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| hughhalf | is the general assumption it will be in North America ? merely ask so I can set the tone with my management of upcoming travel recs. | 23:54 |
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| geoffarnold | I hope so (with Tokyo looming) | 23:54 |
| Zucan | hughhalf: yes, very very very likely | 23:54 |
| barrett1 | hughhalf: that's been my assumption... | 23:54 |
| hughhalf | apologies Carol, didn't mean to gazump, please continue | 23:54 |
| * hughhalf nods | 23:54 | |
| barrett1 | NP | 23:54 |
| Zucan | Word on the street is that it is west coast this time | 23:54 |
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| barrett1 | Thanks for everyone who responded to the Doodle from Shamail | 23:55 |
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| barrett1 | There is a tie for votes: Monday @ 12P PT and Thursday @ 12P PT | 23:55 |
| barrett1 | Does anyone here have a strong preference? | 23:55 |
| geoffarnold | Slight pref for Monday | 23:55 |
| MeganR | I would prefer Monday, please | 23:56 |
| mscohen | i prob have a slight pref for monday too | 23:56 |
| Zucan | I am good with either. | 23:56 |
| hughhalf | slight pref for Monday, 5am Tuesday sounds nicer than 5am Friday somehow :) | 23:56 |
| barrett1 | Sold, Monday it is! | 23:56 |
| hughhalf | Kaching! | 23:56 |
| barrett1 | #agree Move our team meeting to Mondays at Noon Pacific | 23:56 |
| barrett1 | Next decision we need to make is IRC or voice | 23:57 |
| Zucan | IRC will always be easier for me. | 23:57 |
| barrett1 | We are planning to meet weekly from here on out too | 23:57 |
| MeganR | I am fine with either | 23:57 |
| barrett1 | Our options are: IRC-only, Alternate IRC and Voice, or Voice only | 23:57 |
| sarob | im really back | 23:58 |
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| sarob | emergency meeting, sorry about that | 23:58 |
| * hughhalf is comfortable with any of those meeting options | 23:58 | |
| barrett1 | We could stick with IRC as our primary and then setup voice calls as needed...? | 23:58 |
| barrett1 | sarob: NP | 23:58 |
| geoffarnold | +1 | 23:58 |
| Zucan | +12 | 23:58 |
| MeganR | +1 | 23:58 |
| hughhalf | +1.1 | 23:58 |
| Zucan | I mean +1 :) | 23:58 |
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| barrett1 | OK - that settles it! | 23:58 |
| sarob | rockyg and I worked out her part | 23:59 |
| barrett1 | #agree we will meet via IRC. | 23:59 |
| sarob | i can commit it if she is unable | 23:59 |
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| barrett1 | Can someone check the Meetings schedule and see if this channel is open at that time? | 23:59 |
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