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Daisy#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 16 13:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)"13:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'13:00
DaisyWho is here for i18n meeting ?13:00
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DaisyHi, katomo13:01
ianychoi_iphoneHello :)13:01
ujuchi :)13:01
DaisyWelcome, ianychoi_iphone, aeng and ujuc13:01
DaisyLet's start.13:01
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Daisy#topic Feedback collection about Zanata test instance13:02
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camunozhi Daisy13:02
DaisyZanata trial starts, and we have gotten various of feedback from the team.13:03
DaisyHi, camunoz13:03
DaisyI have summarized the feedback to a etherpad page.13:03
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Daisycamunoz and aeng: could we go through the issues one by one ?13:03
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DaisyThe first one is "There are multiple copies of some languages, apparently due to case sensitivity problems"13:04
DaisyI see your response, camunoz13:05
DaisySo it can be fixed by modifying database ?13:05
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camunozfor the time being, yes.... I would suggest we do that asap so that no one translates into the wrong lang codes13:06
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Daisyhi, adiantum13:07
aengAgree. We should try to implement feature to delete language13:07
Daisygood, aeng13:07
Daisyok. camunoz13:07
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DaisyThe 4th issue in this etherpad page is a UI bug. I think it's not that high priority.13:08
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Daisythe 5th one has been reported as a bug.13:08
DaisyOk. The 6th: A UI issue: the list of documents doesn't scrolling while the langauge list scrolls down.13:09
Daisyaeng and camunoz: does the description of 6th issue make sense ?13:09
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camunozI understand the issue. Can I suggest we file a bug for it.... it's a UI problem13:09
Daisyok. sure13:10
aengYup, reliased the issue13:10
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Daisythe 7th one:  "review" button is not there.13:10
DaisyThat's strange.13:10
DaisyI don't know why. I remember there should be a button to mark the translation reviewed.13:10
aengReview is opened for all projects now in 3.713:10
aengAnd the checkbox is removed.13:11
Daisyaeng: what do you mean ?13:11
aengNow reviewer can approve or reject translation in their project13:12
camunozit means that review doesn't need to be "activated" for a project13:12
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camunozreviewers can just start reviewing strings whenever they like, or not at all if they don't wish to do so13:12
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aengThe require review sett8ngs has been removed. Again, thats in 3.713:12
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Daisyhow could reviewers do the review then ? in this test instance ?13:14
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camunozso, until such time as the instance gets upgraded to 3.7, we need to go into the projects (or versions) and activate review for them13:15
aengIn 3.6, which is the one in test instance, project mainatainer need to enable "require review" in project setting13:15
camunozafter the upgrade has happened, that does not need to happen13:15
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Daisycamunoz: in the project setting page ?13:17
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aengVersion settings page13:17
Daisyafter project maintainer enables "require review", there should be a check box for review, right ?13:18
aeng in translation settings section13:18
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camunozDaisy: correct... the review "options" will only be visible to those users with the "reviewer" role for the specific language13:19
aengIf enabled, reviewer will be able to see "approved" and "reject" button in editor13:19
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DaisyI have enabled a project: api-site13:20
DaisyThank you, camunoz and aeng13:20
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DaisyI think I'm OK now.13:21
Daisykatomo: do you have further questions?13:21
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katomonone at now.13:21
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Daisyujuc: Have you ever tried Zanata? Do you have any feedback ?13:22
ujucnone, yet..13:22
adiantumsome minor improvement in UI: is it possible to add coordinators & reviewers & translators projects and languages to dashboard?13:23
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ianychoi_iphoneI will see it when ujuc will approve my request on joining in ko_kr :)13:23
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adiantumcurrently i see only created project13:23
camunozadiantum: anything is possible! :) ... I would suggest you add a feature request (in the form of a bugzilla issue) with the details of your request... for tracking purposes13:24
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adiantumcamunoz: thank you :-)13:25
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DaisyOK then.13:26
DaisyCould we move to next topic ?13:26
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FdotFrok :)13:27
adiantumk =)13:27
DaisyThank you for staying late with us, camunoz and aeng. You could leave if you want. We will move to next topic.13:27
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Daisy#topic make translators as "ATC"13:27
aengThanks daisy13:27
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camunozno problem Daisy , talk to you later13:27
katomoThanks, camunoz and aeng !13:27
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ujucThanks, camunoz, aeng :)13:28
DaisyIn Vancouver, we discussed to get translators "ATC" registration code for each summit.13:28
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DaisyI discussed with tom and learned a few documents of openstack foundation.13:28
DaisyJust one concern in my mind is to sign the appropriate agreement.13:28
Daisywhich is described here:
Daisythis section: Sign the appropriate Individual Contributor License Agreement13:29
DaisyI don't know if asking translators to sign the agreement will become a block of translators contributions.13:29
Daisyhow do you think, ujuc , adiantum , FdotFr , katomo ?13:30
FdotFrDaisy I am agree with this13:30
adiantumas soon as we expectiong to publish translator contribution to stacalytics i think we need accepted ICLA13:30
katomoI think it's no problem. Everyone should sign CLA to contribute(translate!) for OpenStack.13:30
DaisyFdotFr: what do you agree with ?13:31
FdotFrDaisy contributors has to sign the CLA13:31
FdotFrthis is the case for all the openstack contributors13:31
DaisySo you don't have any concerns to have your team to sign the CLA ?13:31
FdotFrit has to be the case for translators13:31
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DaisyOK. Nice.13:31
FdotFrDaisy if they want to be ATC they have to be agree with the foundations rules ;)13:31
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ujuci agree this.13:32
adiantumFdotFr: +1 =)13:32
ujuc& +113:32
FdotFrDaisy when we will move to Zanata they will have to create an openstack account (if they don't have already one)13:32
DaisyThen another question in my mind: do we start collecting name+email of translators for Tokyo summit, and start the process to get translators ATC badge in Tokyo summit? or do we wait for next summit ?13:32
FdotFrso it will be a part of the subscription13:33
FdotFrDaisy what is the dead line ?13:33
FdotFrfor tokyo ?13:33
katomoTokyo !13:33
FdotFroh sorry katomo  :(13:33
FdotFrTokyo :)13:33
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FdotFrI think we can do it for Tokyo13:34
DaisyBecause we don't have name+email from Transifex. we have to collect manually.13:35
DaisyI don't know the deadline.13:35
DaisyThe developers should have their codes now, I believe.13:35
FdotFrwe all know our own local community so it will be easy to collect informations about main contributors13:35
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katomothe deadline is important...13:36
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FdotFrDaisy for France, on september I can take the list of french contributors and all who can have an ATC status I will send them an e-mail asking for their Openstack account and to check if they sign the CLA13:37
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Daisykatomo: could we finish the information collection and sign the CLA in 2 weeks ?13:37
FdotFrI f i don't have their mail I will contact them on transifex13:37
katomo1st ATC tickets have already been sent.13:37
katomoDaisy: ok13:37
FdotFrDaisy katomo oh ok13:37
adiantumadditional question: we decided that ATC shoud have 200 translated works for two last releases, but current statistics do not show us releases13:37
FdotFrso we have to do it now ?13:37
Daisysorry, not to katomo , but to all.13:38
Daisyadiantum: what do you mean by "releases"?13:38
Daisyin our agreement last time, contributing at least 200 words translation and review in the last 2 releases13:38
adiantumi mean OpenStack release13:38
DaisySo while I export statistic data, I started from 2014.11.0113:38
adiantumoh, i see... so this for last two13:39
DaisyYes, adiantum . Not so accurate, but a estimation.13:39
adiantumok ok13:40
DaisyFdotFr: send email, or contact through Transifex, let all of our translators know that we are moving to Zanata. Asking them to register OpenID, sign the CLA, if they want to continue the translation. At the same time, collecting their emails ( don't forget to associate transifex ID with emails )13:41
FdotFrDaisy seems good for me :)13:41
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FdotFrDaisy I will update the spreadsheet with the collected informations :)13:42
DaisyThank you, FdotFr13:42
FdotFrDaisy for France I have works to do :D 14 people to contact !13:42
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katomoFor Japanese, I will work.13:43
FdotFrDaisy can I have some writing rights on the spreadsheet ?13:43
FdotFr"OpenStack Translators Statistic from 2014.11.01 to 2015.7.16"13:43
DaisyFor Chinese, I only know part of them. So I will contact through transfiex messaging.13:43
adiantumi'll make for Russian13:43
FdotFrfor updating the list13:43
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DaisyOK, FdotFr . I will give the right to you.13:44
FdotFrDaisy thanks :)13:44
DaisyI will give right to all of you. :)13:44
ujucI will korean :)13:44
katomome too13:44
katomoDaisy: thanks13:44
DaisyNice. Thank you all. Collect the information as soon as possible, and as much as possible.13:44
adiantumand just one more question... should we use new_total metric for 200 words? or we should use sum of new and edited?13:45
DaisyI will suggest: new_total13:45
DaisyOk. let's move to next one13:46
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Daisy#topic update on two blueprints: translators metric and translation check website13:46
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Daisyas to translators metric, adiantum and I are working on it.13:46
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adiantumyou can find all info about here:
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Daisyadiantum has discussed the design with the owner of stackalytics. we have forked the stackalytics. we have allocated tasks. we didn't start coding yet, but will start soon. My goal is to have this feature ready before Tokyo summit.13:48
Daisyadiantum: do you think we can finish it before Tokyo summit ?13:48
Daisyadiantum: maybe we don't have a perfect version. Let's make a basic version at first. I want to show it to our translators in Tokyo summit.13:48
adiantumDaisy i think we can create first basic version13:49
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Daisygood, adiantum .13:49
DaisyThank you.13:49
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adiantumi'll be more active with this task after 22 July13:49
Daisyas to "translation check website", I lost contact with Deelay113:49
Daisyso this bp is pending.13:50
adiantumwe have conference and party dedicated to OS 5thBday in Moscow, i'm currently working on it13:50
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Daisywho want to take over this one ?13:50
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Daisywho want to take over this one: "translation check website"13:51
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katomoadiantum: working on chech site?13:51
DaisyCurrent, there is a patch to infra spec. We just need to write down spec. Infrastructure guy will help us to implement.13:51
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adiantumno no - i mean conference13:52
katomoI got it13:52
katomoI will take "translation check website"13:52
Daisykatomo: you will work on it ?13:52
DaisyThank you, katomo13:52
DaisyHope we can use it in this release translation.13:52
DaisyYes, exactly, this one, katomo13:53
adiantumkatomo: great13:53
katomoa few "-1" !13:53
DaisyCollect the feedback and refactor the spec. :)13:53
adiantumthere is a several comments :-)13:53
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DaisyNice. I have done my topics today.13:54
Daisy#topic open discussion13:54
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Daisyall thing to talk here ?13:55
FdotFrDaisy are you able in transifex to see in which project a translator has worked ?13:55
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ianychoi_iphonePlease see and review it. This review process is required to log on our openstack-translation channel.13:55
FdotFrDaisy because I something weird in the top french translators list13:55
DaisyI don't see I could do that, FdotFr , but I will do a careful check tomorrow.13:55
Daisyok, ianychoi_iphone13:56
FdotFrDaisy I have a translator who register last week and he is the first of the list :D13:56
DaisyI will make a careful check tomorrow.13:56
Daisytime is up.13:57
DaisyCan I close the meeting now ?13:57
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ianychoi_iphoneY :)13:57
FdotFrianychoi_iphone done my +1 ;)13:58
DaisyThank you all for attending , katomo , adiantum , ujuc , ianychoi, FdotFr !13:58
adiantumthank you!13:58
DaisyIt was very nice to talk with you.13:58
FdotFrDaisy thanks a lot Daisy :)13:58
ianychoi_iphoneThank you all! :)13:58
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ujucthanks all :) zz13:58
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gordc#startmeeting ceilometer15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 16 15:00:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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gordci'll give it a minute.15:01
gordci think we have a few people out on holiday/meeting today15:02
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efriedHowdy y'all.15:03
gordccool. let's call this quorum.15:03
gordcso start off. thanks for all those who attended last week's midcycle.15:03
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gordcnot ideal timing for americas but considering our developer base, it is what it is.15:03
gordcthanks to cdent and prad for organising15:04
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* cdent plays a little violin for poor gordc15:04
ildikovyeap thanks!15:04
eglynnyep, cdent++ prad++15:04
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gordcwe'll revisit the topic later but if you have input/feedback, feel free to bring it up during open discussion (or email me if you want it to remain private because you dont want to air dirty laundry)15:05
gordcfirst topic is a result of midcycle15:05
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gordc#topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers)
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gordcwe now have a 'formal' roadmap15:05
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gordcbasically it lists all open priority items, some open items that could be targetted to current or next cycle15:06
gordcand some longer term goals which have been tossed around (by devs/users)15:07
ildikovhuge +1 for having this15:07
eglynnon the gnocchi roadmap, do we need a "what to do about v2 API coexistence" item?15:07
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gordcthe longer term goals have no been discussed and will need to go through review process15:07
ildikoveglynn: is that a Gnocchi roadmap?15:07
gordceglynn: yes we can add that. we discussed v3 api at the midcycle15:08
ildikoveglynn: or can we consider momre as v2 deprecation roadmap?15:08
eglynnildikov: sorry, I mean the gnocchi list on the general roadmap15:08
gordcbut we didn't have a conclusive decision on whether we needed it just yet as it is only gnocchi that represents the change in representation15:08
ildikoveglynn: a-ha, ok15:08
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gordcwe decided it's something to start thinking about... but right now gnocchi api will remain separate.15:09
eglynngordc: one simple approach might be to disable the meters/samples/statistics endpoint in v2 API if gnochi dispatcher is enabled15:09
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eglynn... i.e. return a fault saying "don't use me, use the gnochhi-api instead to retrieve metric data"15:10
ildikovyeap, but we need proper docco for that as it is quite big API change...15:10
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gordceglynn: that sounds like a easy solution... if the conf file passed to api is pointing to gnocchi as dispatcher?15:11
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cdentthat makes sense gordc15:12
gordceglynn: i don't think the api currently is aware if gnocchi is enabled... all the normal setup is done. it would need to look at dispatcher value i think (which it doesn't currently)15:12
cdentit is safer than just checking for gnocchi's endpoint (as that's not conclusive)15:12
eglynngordc, cdent: yep, or even have a separate config option to enable that stricter behavior15:12
ildikovI think checking the dispatcher value is more bullet proof15:13
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gordcjust wondering if there's issues if there are multiple collectors... with different dispatchers15:13
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gordcso there's use case to publish datapoint to different targets so it's handled differently... osmething to look into.15:14
fabiogalternatively you could have two separate pipelines in wsgi15:14
fabioglike pipeline = request_id authtoken api-v2-server15:14
fabiogvs. pipeline = request_id authtoken api-v3-server15:14
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fabiogso you decide what API to enable15:15
eglynnmultiple dispatchers I guess could be handled via a separate config option to turn on the stricter behavior15:15
gordcfabiog: yeah that's true. can it point to an external api? if api-v3-server was gnocchi?15:16
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fabioggordc: I think so, you will need a stub in the Ceilo code but then you can import the Gnocchi API in there15:17
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fabioggordc: or make calls15:17
gordcfabiog: kk. something to look into15:18
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gordcwe should probably target this for liberty if we intend on promoting gnocchi as our usable 'default' driver.15:18
eglynngordc: strong +1 on that targeting15:19
ildikovgordc: +115:19
gordc#action add workitem to either disable metering apis when gnocchi is enabled or create wsgi pipeline15:19
gordcso i think one thing we haven't figured out was how to manage the road map... anyone can add stuff so how do we ensure people are aware of updates.15:20
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cdentgordc: people can subscribe to email notifications for updates on that page, if they want15:20
gordccdent: ah cool. i think i just didn't subscribe.15:21
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ildikovgordc: another item could be the aodh client question regarding targets there15:21
gordcnon-issue then15:21
gordcildikov: right. liusheng offered to start working on the aodh+ceilometer integration work15:22
silehtdevstakc plugin is ready:
ildikovgordc: cool15:23
gordci believe the opinion from ceilometer users (ie. heat) is that we keep the functionality in ceilometerclient15:23
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gordcwhich is probably best from usability pov.15:23
gordci didn't get a chance to see what work is actually required to do that.15:24
gordcor if it's possible... cdent mentioned it could be an endpoint change to aodh and fall back to ceilometer if not?15:24
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gordcbut i think for aodhclient specifically. that might be something for next cycle? unless we can't integrate it in to ceilometerclient for some reason.15:25
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gordci really don't have a break down what work items are required to be honest so anyone with better view can comment.15:26
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gordci'll check with liusheng to see what he discovers when he starts working on it i guess.15:27
cdentsounds like a good plan15:27
cdentwe try to predict we'll just be wrong15:28
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gordccool cool. any other items regarding roadmap? feel free to reassign priority if you think somehting should be bumped up (and there's a resource we can attach to it)15:28
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gordc#topic recurring: ceilometerclient release?15:30
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gordci'm tracking nothing. if someone needs a new client shout now15:31
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gordci should mention the release would probably be next week since release team isn't fond of thurs/fri releases15:31
gordc#topic recurring: Gnocchi status15:31
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cdentawesome devstack+gnocchi pile on this week15:32
cdentlots of issues discovered15:32
cdentsome fixed15:32
cdentstill some to go15:32
cdentit's almost but not quite fun15:32
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cdentthe latest concerning thing is a bug in carbonara:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1475329 in Gnocchi "Exception in gnocchi-metricd: ValueError: cannot reindex from a duplicate axis" [Undecided,New]15:32
gordci told product to start looking at it. i'll check next week to see if they've disocvered anything15:33
cdentwhich came up after running with the file backend for a short while15:33
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gordcthat looks scary. i don't think i saw that.15:33
silehtI have proposed to move the samples2resources/metrics convertion to yaml like event and notification:
cdentthere have been a lot of changes to the devstack plugin in the last 24 hours so if anyone is testing with devstack, probably worth updating regularly15:33
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cdent202500 is awesome15:33
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gordcsileht: agreed. the hardcoded resources were really really bothering me15:34
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silehtAnd I have reduced to only 1 resource patch per message received too:
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silehtnext perf improvement in the ceilometer-notifier to batch samples into one messages15:35
gordcsileht: awesome news. good to see we're targeting performance rather than features.15:35
cdentdeath to features!15:35
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gordcare we done with features in gnocchi? aside from influxdb driver15:35
silehtI want to see everything work in gate !15:35
eglynnsileht: batching, coolness :)15:35
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gordci think we should freeze features in gnocchi. assuming there isn't a massive gap somewhere.15:36
silehtI'm not sure batching is the priority, perhaps I will take that when more gate/functionnal testing have been done15:36
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gordcsileht: yeah gating probably takes priority... then performance15:36
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eglynn+1 to that15:37
gordci'll sync with jd__ to confirm there's no massive gaps in gnocchi and if not we can do feature freeze.15:38
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gordcfor gnocchi.15:38
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gordcfor reviewers, we should probably start focusing on the same. i think the only non-performance related feature we have outstanding is alarm work but that's in aodh.15:40
gordcany other comments on gnocchi?15:40
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gordc#topic Open discussion15:41
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gordcdoes anyone have oslo.messaging 1.16.x + devstack installed?15:41
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gordcjust for reference,
openstackLaunchpad bug 1475307 in Ceilometer "collector has possible memory leak" [Critical,New]15:42
lakshmiSHave a question for ceilometer team. I am core commiter on Openstack searchlight project and we consume notifications from glance but when ceilometer is running, searchlight listener doesn't recieve those notifications.15:42
lakshmiSWe have to stop ceilometer for searchlight to receive new notifications. Searchlight project has a patchset to include a pool name:
lakshmiSCan ceilometer do similarly or any other suggestions?15:42
eglynnlakshmiS: you need to configure glance to emit on two topics IIRC15:42
gordclakshmiS: ^15:43
cdenteglynn: that seems unfair15:43
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eglynncdent: life is unfair :)15:43
lakshmiScan we not use different pool names: atleast that's what the oslo messaging document says15:43
cdentyou're basically putting a dependency on a source for their to be multiple listeners15:43
cdentwhereas what we'd like in a distributed system is for there to be N potential listeners without needing to change the source15:43
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gordclakshmiS: there was an issue with that oslo.messaging15:43
* cdent looks at sileht 15:43
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lakshmiScdent: +115:44
silehtthat should just work15:44
eglynncdent: yeap, it's certainly not pretty, I just think that's the current reality15:44
* cdent does not aspire to reality ;)15:44
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eglynnsileht: a-ha, k ... good to know15:44
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lakshmiSI tried changing ceilometer listener code to have a pool name but it stops working afer a while15:44
lakshmiSis there anyone from ceilometer team I can discuss this offline?15:44
gordcsileht: wasn't there an issue with pools, something about it not being created at right time so we'd lose messages?15:44
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silehtkmartin,you need to take a look to your rabbitmq queues and find those prefixed with searchlight-listener15:45
gordclakshmiS: we're all over at #openstack-ceilometer (more euro based) but there's a few of us (me) in americas tz15:45
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silehtgordc, yes but you just lost message between the client side restart and the first server side start, that doesn't occurs offen15:46
lakshmiSgordc: sileht: can you point me to the issue you had previously with oslo.messaging pools?15:46
silehtlakshmiS, it not a issue, this is a historical behavior :p15:46
silehtunsure it's cleanly documented15:47
lakshmiSso the solution/alternative is to have multiple topics for from glance?15:47
gordclakshmiS: post your issue over at #openstack-ceilometer and someone will reply. if not, we're sleeping and ML is good.15:47
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lakshmiSgordc: i wil do ML since I already did on IRC with no response15:47
gordclakshmiS: that is the alternative yes... that's typically what is done. (ie. stacktach)15:48
lakshmiSgordc: thx15:48
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gordcsileht: for the above, do ceilometer  and searchlight need to create pool or just one? the problem right is we're both using hte same default pool right?15:49
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silehtgordc, I think the safer ways is to emit the notification twice on the other side15:50
lakshmiSsileht: that would be a change on each team(glance, nova) etc right?15:50
silehtlakshmiS, yes a configuration change15:51
silehtgordc, this method ensure that no notifications will be missed15:51
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gordcsileht: got it. that's what i understood.15:51
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lakshmiSsileht: do you have any previous reviews doint this cofig change ?15:51
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gordclakshmiS: its either or i guess. pro/con either way.15:52
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gordclakshmiS: let me dig up stacktach docs, they might reference it15:52
lakshmiSthanks gordc:15:52
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gordcanything other topics?15:53
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gordclakshmiS: i'll send you link over in openstack-ceilometer unless you have another preference15:53
gordc30s countdown15:54
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lakshmiSgordc: please send it to if possbile too15:55
gordclakshmiS: kk15:55
gordcending meeting. thanks folks15:55
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bobh_Hello - I don't see Sridhar or Stephen online yet16:00
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vishwanathjhopefully, they are signing in16:01
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sripriyawe can wait for some time16:02
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sridhar_ramlets start in a min16:05
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sridhar_ram #startmeeting tacker16:06
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sridhar_ram#topic Announcements16:08
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sridhar_ramAgenda - #link
sridhar_ram#info Devstack patch has merged. The latest Tacker installation instruction available here -
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s3wongsorry, late again16:10
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sridhar_ram#topic API transition16:10
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sridhar_rams3wong: hi16:10
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sridhar_ramsripriya: and me - looked into the how existing APIs are hooked16:11
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sridhar_ramas you might have noticed .. current Tacker code base uses neutron extension like mechanism16:12
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sridhar_ramthe 'servicevm' component is implemented as extension and all the APIs are implemented in there16:13
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sridhar_ramTacker doesn't have any "core" APIs (like neutron's basic network APIs)16:13
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sridhar_ramsripriya: is planning to come up w/ a tacker-spec soon on this for us to review & comment16:14
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sridhar_ramsripriya: anything else on this topic ?16:14
sripriyasridhar_ram: i think you covered it16:15
sripriyaand just to add, we confired it is going to be v216:15
s3wongbasically need to do something like servicevm/v2/...?16:15
sridhar_ramsripriya: oh yes ..16:15
sripriyaright now, the service_vm is based on v1 entry point16:15
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sripriyas3wong: it is something like v1/device_template and etc.16:16
sridhar_ramthis will change to v2/vnfd16:16
s3wongsripriya: is that OK with the UnitedStack folks? They are already using servicevm/device_templat...etc16:16
sripriyawe are going to retain the v1 support as a backward compatibility16:17
sridhar_rams3wong: existing v1 APIs won't change and it would continue to work16:18
sridhar_ramlets move on to health mon16:18
sridhar_ram#topic Health Monitoring16:18
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sridhar_rambobh_: prashantD: take it away16:18
bobh_I submitted a spec for review which contains some very basic enhancements to the existing ping monitor16:19
bobh_I think we need to have a discussion regarding how much Tacker wants to be in the monitoring business, given other projects like Monasca and Ceilometer16:19
tsalagiAgreed, Monasca is looking promising16:20
bobh_The outcome of that discussion will determine future direction for monitoring enhancements16:20
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sridhar_rambobh_: sure, but before that we need to get our framework in place16:20
sridhar_rambobh_: we first need a loadable monitoring driver ..16:21
tsalagiDoes Tacker have a framework for receiving notifications from things like Monasca or from the infrastructure?16:21
sridhar_ramtsalagi: that's exactly I'm getting at16:21
s3wongbobh_: that is actually a good question... we do anticipate some VNF to have its own monitoring driver16:21
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bobh_Are we expecting each VNF to provide their own driver?  I'm not sure that's a reasonable requirement16:21
s3wongbobh_: that being the case, is it OK for Tacker to expect that VNF vendor to write a driver for Monasca before it can work with Tacker?16:22
bobh_As a user I want to bring my TOSCA csar file with an image etc and rely on infrastructure16:22
s3wongbobh_: we certainly don't want to preclude it16:22
tsalagiI would hope for a common framework for delivery of this information to VNFs.  But agree Tacker needs something in the interim16:22
bobh_s3wong:  good question16:22
bobh_s3wong: I agree16:22
sridhar_rambobh_: agreed, that would be when we go to a agent-based model16:22
bobh_I think part of the problem is the huge variety of VNFs16:23
bobh_Some are very basic and some are very complex16:23
bobh_trying to get any commonality at all will be a challenge16:23
sridhar_ramlets starts w/ some basic :)16:23
tsalagiI had hoped OPNFV would have taken the lead on this notification specification for VNFs16:23
s3wongbobh_: certainly, so we won't be expecting a monitoring API/framework that will work forever moving forward16:24
sridhar_ramto me the biggest part of the puzzle .. the interface between Tacker state machine and monitoring framework16:24
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s3wongbobh_: we only want to get things started, and iterate as we move forward with (hopefully) more users and vendors feedbacks16:24
sridhar_ramwhat would generic interface look like ?16:24
bobh_I'd like to have a discussion about expectations for the framework - as well as expectations about what Tacker is going to provide versus what it will delegate to other projects16:24
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bobh_sridhar_ram: Good question - is it a callback/API interface, or a message bus?  or something else?16:25
s3wongbobh_: and that would require having knowledge of what is available on the other projects (Ceilometer and Monasca in this case)16:25
sridhar_ramto me ping, monasca, bfd, http-ping, etc are various monitoring mech ..16:25
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tsalagiThat would be a very useful discussion, and perhaps helpful for the community in general16:25
sridhar_rambobh_: exactly ...16:26
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bobh_sridhar_ram: I think we need a midcycle :-)16:26
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sridhar_rambobh_: agree, particularly for this subject16:26
s3wongbobh_: that said, our current monitoring is definitely virtually non-existent; so I am sure whatever is supported by Ceilometer and Monasca would be far superior than ours16:26
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bobh_s3wong: I agree - and Heat includes Ceilometer hooks already, so we need to decide how to leverage16:27
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s3wongbobh_, sridhar_ram: the question is --- if we are to do Monasca, is this something we can realistically integrate with Tacker within the Liberty cycle?16:27
tsalagiAgree on the heat / Ceilomter hooks, need to leverage...16:27
bobh_s3wong: I don't think so personally, but I'm a newbie16:28
sridhar_rams3wong: once the framework part is done.. the next realistic thing we can shoot for in Heat-Cielometer16:28
aruncewind_bobh_ , on the same note, monasca is bringing in it's own alarm spec for Heat. in other words, as Monasca becomes monitoring and Ceilometer becomes metering, there would still be a way to use an OpenStack service for monitoring (Monasca) and have heat hooks for it16:28
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sridhar_rambeyond that might be too much to munch...16:28
s3wongbobh_: then my take would be --- continue to study it, but punt on that until the next cycle16:28
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sridhar_rambut we should put Monasca in the plate and discuss so that the framework pieces are baked well16:29
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s3wongbobh_: the framework would therefore only have ICMP and some TCP connectivity check for now16:29
bobh_s3wong: I agree - we'll move forward with the minor enhancements and come up with a plan for integrating Monasca16:29
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sridhar_ramaruncewind_: that's good information..16:29
tsalagiagree - minor enhancements, watch community..16:30
aruncewind_agree with sridhar_ram, if OpenStack is grativating towards Monasca for monitoring and Ceilometer for metering, Tacker would have Monasca on it's plate as well for scaling needs16:30
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s3wongbobh_: without knowing much about the detail (or even flimsy knowledge) of Monasca, I think studying it would give us a lot of ideas on monitoring; but let's not try to boil the ocean in one cycle16:30
bobh_I think we should look for Monasca integration in the Mitaka cycle16:30
sridhar_rambobh_: I think we need a spec for health-monitoring framework first16:31
sridhar_rambobh_: are you and prashantD planning to write one ?16:31
bobh_sridhar_ram: So is that a higher-level spec than what is in the health-monitor.rst spec that is in gerrit?16:31
s3wongbobh_: that would be great, hopefully enough time for us to understand Monasca well16:31
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sridhar_rambobh_: exactly16:32
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sridhar_ramin fact, I do like the current health-mon spec.. particularly the http part16:32
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sridhar_ramwe to be it is out of sequence ..16:32
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sridhar_ram*but to me it is out of sequence16:32
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sripriyabobh_: can you share the link for the spec16:33
sridhar_ramin fact you look at existing mgmt_driver framework and bring it to health-mon16:33
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sripriyabobh_: Thanks16:34
bobh_sridhar_ram: Is that in tacker-specs?16:34
sridhar_ramno, we need to write one16:35
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sridhar_ramyou mean the mgmt_driver ?16:35
bobh_sridhar_ram: OK, I'll take a look at the design of mgmt_driver and reverse-engineer it16:35
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sridhar_rambobh_: cool, thanks!16:36
bobh_sridhar_ram: If you know of any framework specs that we could use as a template that would be helpful - I hate reinventing the wheel16:36
s3wongbobh_: well, first step is play around with the code is indeed factoring out the ping code and put it as a driver (and implement the driver interface)16:36
s3wongso I agree with sridhar_ram here that it would be a good one code sprint milestone16:36
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bobh_s3wong: Assuming I can use the mgmt_driver as a model?16:37
s3wongbobh_: yes16:37
bobh_s3wong:  Great.  I'm flying this weekend so now I have something to do....16:37
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s3wongbobh_: good thing to do on the plane, especially if the flight movies are terrible  :-)16:38
bobh_It's a United 737 - what movies?16:38
sridhar_rambobh_: not sure if we can find a template to framework specs..16:38
s3wongshort flight then :-)16:39
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bobh_sridhar_ram: OK, I'll google and see what I can find16:39
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sridhar_ram#action bobh_ to write a tacker-spec for health-monitor framework16:39
sridhar_ramanything else on health-mon ?16:40
bobh_sridhar_ram: I'll open a new Blueprint for that too16:40
sridhar_rambobh_: sounds good16:40
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sridhar_ram#topic VNF boot attributes16:41
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sridhar_ramwe had a sync up with TCS grp working on this area on behalf of a tacker user (comcast)16:41
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sridhar_ramone thing that repeatedly came in there is the ability to support "args" in the VNFD template16:42
sridhar_ramthis had come up earlier as well16:42
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sridhar_ramwe need templating support where many of the attributes are undecided at template definition time and gets as arguments16:43
sridhar_ramthey will be "filled in" during instantiation time16:43
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bobh_sridhar_ram: The attributes are not defined or the values of the attributes are undefined?16:44
s3wongsridhar_ram: yeah, just which network we should plug the VM in is already a non-template item16:44
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sridhar_rambobh_: hmm.. I believe both16:44
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bobh_sridhar_ram: I can understand the values being unknown, but not knowing what the attributes themselves are sounds odd...16:45
tsalagiMetadata type argument where VNF vendors could supply proprietary values?16:45
sridhar_rams3wong: yeah, for example the network to plug a vnic might be decided at instantiation time and it would be different for different tenants16:45
bobh_How does this different from TOSCA/Heat parameters?16:45
s3wongbobh_: the items requested by Comcast/TCS is here:
sridhar_rambobh_: It should indeed be TOSCA params16:46
sridhar_rambobh_: that is requirement / gap to be filled16:46
s3wonglook for "User Input" -> "Comcast / TCS", and particularly things that have "Response" on them16:46
bobh_sridhar_ram: So it is the ability to supply an env file when we create the VNF16:46
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bobh_or supply command line values for parameters like heat stack-create16:47
sridhar_ramtsalagi: Instance metadata is another ask as well16:47
sridhar_rambobh_: the former ..16:47
sridhar_ramour commands already take vnf-config.yaml16:47
bobh_sridhar_ram: I have been wondering how some of my more complicated Heat templates will map into TOSCA templates16:47
sridhar_rambobh_: some of this can be punted to our upcoming integration with heat-translator16:48
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bobh_sridhar_ram: supplying the parameter values should be pretty straightforward in an ENV file16:48
bobh_sridhar_ram: ok - I've been interested in looking at that too16:48
bobh_too many things to do....16:49
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sridhar_rambobh_: yes, it should fairly straight forward..16:49
sridhar_rambobh_: yeah, we got to pace ourselve16:49
sripriyathe other important thing that came up was to dynamically select the tenant where VNF should be launched16:49
s3wongsridhar_ram: dynamic vNIC creation doesn't sound like something we can do via env file16:49
sripriyaright now, the VNFs get launched in the service tenant16:49
bobh_sridhar_ram: Agree - it should be possible to map the user's credentials into the VNF deployment16:49
sridhar_ramany new volunteers to help in this vnf-config area ?16:50
bobh_sridhar_ram: / sripriya16:50
s3wongsridhar_ram, bobh_: so the user requirements would require more than supplying an env file, I believe16:50
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bobh_s3wong: So this is changing the number of Ports defined in the template on the fly?16:50
sridhar_ramthis is a slightly gentler area to come and contribute to Tacker !!16:50
s3wongbobh_: yes, I wonder if we can even do that via Heat...16:50
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bobh_s3wong: Stack update can do it, but that assumes the stack is deployed already16:51
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bobh_s3wong: This sounds like an update to an existing template which would just mean a new template?16:51
sridhar_rams3wong: no, the ask is very simple .. no stack-update16:51
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sridhar_ramwhich would map to vnf-update and that is not the ask16:52
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bobh_sridhar_ram: So a vnfd-update?16:52
bobh_Why not just create a new vnfd?16:52
s3wongsridhar_ram: I thought they want to dynamically add vNIC to something deployed? or just dynamically add to an existing template that isn't stack-create yet?16:52
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sridhar_ramIMO that is something we should take after integrating w/ heat-translator.. they are already taking a crack at updating a individual resource with a Heat template16:53
sridhar_rams3wong: dynamic vNIC add is not a request.. we clarified that16:53
bobh_sridhar_ram: It sounds like we need specific scenarios16:54
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sridhar_ramthe scenario is very very simple .. pass an env file during vnf-create and have the values fill in some params in the VNFD template16:54
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sridhar_ramtime check - 5mins left16:55
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bobh_sridhar_ram: Ah - that is easy16:55
sridhar_rameasy things first .. that is the motto for L :)16:55
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bobh_I'll add that to the things to look at on the plane.  Might be easy to do16:55
sridhar_ramidea is we chip away the asks with slightlly less effort !16:56
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sridhar_rambobh_: thanks!16:56
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sridhar_ram#topic Open Discussion16:56
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sridhar_ramthere is a thought to do a Tacker mid-cycle in August16:57
sridhar_ramto a face-2-face meeting in Bay Area16:57
sridhar_ramhow many of you will be interested ?16:57
sripriyaThere is an answers forum on the tacker launchpad page where people who want to try tacker post questions16:57
s3wongsridhar_ram: as long as I don't have to fly :-)16:58
sripriyasridhar_ram: o/16:58
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sridhar_ramcool.. we can give a shout out in the ML as well16:58
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sridhar_ramSo far I'm really happy w/ the progress we made .. just look at the DONEs in our etherpad!16:59
sridhar_ramand the IN-PROGRESS ..16:59
s3wongsridhar_ram: pretty much all the DONEs were done by sripriya :-)17:00
sridhar_ramW00t for sripriya!17:00
sripriyas3wong: the todo list is big :-)17:00
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sripriyathanks guys17:00
vishwanathj+1 for sripriya17:00
sridhar_ramand bobh_ for knocking off whatever it comes his way17:00
sripriya+1 on that!17:01
sridhar_ramlets close on that high note!17:01
sridhar_ramsorry for starting late..17:01
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bobh_Thanks all17:01
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mtreinish#startmeeting qa17:01
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mtreinishhi, who's here today?17:01
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mtreinish^^^ today's agenda17:02
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mtreinishdkranz, mkoderer, sdague, dtroyer_zz, afazekas: around?17:02
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sdaguemtreinish: o/ amazingly enough17:03
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mtreinishdtroyer_zz: you're not asleep? :)17:03
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sdaguebut I'm at the tire place so might have to leave mid way through meeting17:03
dtroyer_zzI wish I was…  znc is confused17:03
mtreinishok, let's get started17:04
mtreinishsdague: heh, sure np17:04
mtreinish#topic New meeting time poll (mtreinish)17:04
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mtreinishso I just wanted to throw a reminder on here that the poll to reschedule the alternate timeslot for this meeting is still open17:04
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mtreinishif you have an opinion on when that should be scheduled feel free to vote17:05
mtreinishI'm probably going to close the poll early next week, because next week's meeting will be at the new time17:05
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mtreinishok is there anything else on this? Otherwsie we can move on17:06
mtreinish#topic Specs Review17:06
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mtreinishok does anyone have any open specs reviews to discuss?17:07
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mtreinishdkranz: oh, that non-admin tempest spec is still open. Do we still need a spec/bp for that?17:07
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dkranzmtreinish: I don't think so. It was basically done, perhaps not exactly in the same way.17:08
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mtreinishdkranz: ok, cool I'll abandon it then and close the bp17:08
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mtreinishdkranz: unless you wanted to take care of that?17:08
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dkranzmtreinish: I don't care, but we could mark it as Done rather than abandoned17:09
dkranzmtreinish: not that it matters much17:09
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dkranzmtreinish: I'll abandon it17:09
mtreinishok, I'll leave it up to you :)17:09
mtreinishare there any other specs to discuss? Otherwise let's move on17:09
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mtreinish#topic Blueprints17:11
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any in progress BPs they'd like to discuss?17:11
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mtreinishwell I wanted to bring up the tempest cli improvements one and the tempest external plugin bp17:12
mtreinishfor the cli improvements work dpaterson and I have been testing the patches up:,n,z17:13
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mtreinishit looks like tempest init works fine, but tempest run still needs a lot of work17:13
dpatersonmtreinish: still a WIP in progress for me.  The init had one defect which we discussed but still working with run17:13
mtreinishfwiw, you can still use init with just testr or ostestr and it works fine17:14
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mtreinishsince run clearly doesn't work yet :)17:14
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mtreinishdpaterson: oh, right I still need to push a fix for that path bug in tempest init17:15
mtreinishdpaterson: can you leave a -1 vote on the review to remind me17:15
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dpatersonmtreinish: okay17:15
mtreinishthe other BP I wanted to bring up was the tempest external plugin interface17:16
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mtreinishthe base patches for that have landed already and mkoderer has been testing it on the manila side17:16
mtreinishhe found a couple of bugs which the fixes have already landed for17:16
mtreinishso at this point the external test loading is working with the plugin interface17:17
andreafcool! :)17:17
dkranzmtreinish: huge!17:17
mtreinishthe next step is to work on the config registration piece:17:17
mtreinishyeah it's exciting17:17
mtreinishmkoderer is working on getting the manila tests to use it all17:17
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andreafmtreinish: is there anything to be done about extra requirements? Are they installed as part of the plugin installation?17:18
mtreinishandreaf: they'll be handled as part of the plugin installation17:18
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mtreinishsince for tempest to know about the plugin you need to install it17:19
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mtreinishotherwise the entry point won't be registered17:19
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mtreinishusing entry points and stevedore for this actually end up simplifying a lot of problems like that17:19
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andreafmtreinish nice :)17:20
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mtreinishare there any other BPs to discuss? otherwise let's move on17:20
andreafyes I wanted to mention the ssh-bp17:21
andreafso the implementation of the common bits has made really good progress I think - the last patch just failed the gate :( but hopefully a recheck it's all is needed17:22
andreafnext steps are either try and enable validation in the gate, or make a non-voting job with validation on17:23
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mtreinishandreaf: cool, it'll be nice to see this finishing up soon17:23
andreafand then start migrating all tests to use the common bits17:23
mtreinishandreaf: has the deprecation of the old options started?17:23
andreafmtreinish: yes it has17:23
andreafmtreinish: where possible17:23
mtreinishok, because those are still causing confusion for some people17:23
mtreinishit'll be nice to have that all simplified and common17:24
andreafany preference about the way to go? I tend towards a non-voting job so we can check stability for a while17:24
andreafbefore turning validation on in the gate17:24
mtreinishandreaf: I'm fine with making it non-voting to start I guess17:24
mtreinishwe dropped the icehouse jobs recently so we're running a few less jobs then before17:25
mtreinishso adding one doesn't hurt17:25
mtreinishas much...17:25
andreafok cool17:25
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mtreinishok, let's move on17:26
mtreinish#topic Devstack17:26
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mtreinishdtroyer_zz: so anything exciting for devstack this week?17:26
dtroyer_zznot much from me…17:27
dtroyer_zzwe have been working through jamielennox's series of patches to switch everything to Identity v317:27
dtroyer_zztaking it slowly to adjust as we go17:27
dtroyer_zzalso, cdent has the removel of ceilometer to a plugin WIP17:28
mtreinishdtroyer_zz: that's still partially blocked on getting the grenade side working iirc right?17:28
dtroyer_zzI think that is where he is, yes17:29
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mtreinishok cool17:29
dtroyer_zzthat's it from me… sdague, anything to add?17:29
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mtreinishdtroyer_zz: sdague had to drop17:29
dtroyer_zzok, I missed him leaving17:30
mtreinishhe sent me a hangout msg about it :)17:30
mtreinishok does anyone else have something to discuss on devstack?17:30
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mtreinish#topic Grenade17:31
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mtreinishok does anyone have any updates on grenade?17:32
mtreinishsdague wanted me to mention that we got a successful run of grenade multinode in the gate this morning17:32
mtreinishwhich is a big step17:32
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mtreinishthere are still some bugs, but it's moving along17:33
mtreinishthe patch is here:17:33
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mtreinishthat's all I had :)17:33
mtreinishis there anything else on grenade?17:34
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mtreinishok, lets move on17:34
mtreinish#topic Bugs17:35
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mtreinishdoes anyone have anything to discuss on bugs this week?17:35
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mtreinisherr I guess that link is still from last week17:35
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dkranzandreaf: did you see my email about the failing periodic non-admin jobs? (no bug ticket)17:35
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dkranzandreaf: about how admin_domain_name is needed even for non-admin keystone tests?17:36
mtreinishdkranz, andreaf: ^^^17:36
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dkranzandreaf: v3 that is. I;d like your input before I push a fix17:36
andreafdkranz: ok that sounds like a bug17:36
dkranzandreaf: yes, it is described in the email17:37
dkranzandreaf: you even anticipated it :)17:37
dkranzandreaf: you can answer offline in the email17:37
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andreafdkranz: will do, thanks for bringing it up17:38
mtreinishdkranz: you also had the triage rotation this week, was there anything that stood out?17:38
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dkranzmtreinish: oops17:39
mtreinishhehe, no worries :)17:39
dkranzmtreinish: I was so buried coming back I forgot. Will take care of it tomorrow17:39
dkranzmtreinish: there are a bunch of new ones17:39
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mtreinishok, let's move on17:40
mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews17:40
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mtreinishdoes anyone have a review they'd like to get extra eyes on?17:41
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dpatersonplease :)17:41
mtreinishdpaterson: man, I'm terrible I forget about that every week17:41
dkranzmtreinish: I gave it a +2 before but was rebased17:41
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dkranzmtreinish: The potential controversial thing is that it now only allows cleanup with test accounts17:42
dkranzmtreinish: but it never really worked with tenant isolation and I'm not sure it really can17:42
mtreinishdkranz: well now that we prefix all created resources names it can17:42
mtreinishbut that's a separate patch17:42
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mtreinishI definitely think having support for test-accounts is a good thing17:43
dkranzmtreinish: but what it a tenant goes away but leaves stuff behind?17:43
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dpatersondkranz. mtreinsh: if prefix implementation fixes original isolation issues I can revisit17:44
mtreinishdkranz: well the resources will still be prefixed so if we can find and delete them as admin (which we can't with everything just some) we can17:44
mtreinishdkranz: it should still be an opt in flag, like --prefix-cleanup17:44
dkranzmtreinish: right, but there are some we can't17:44
mtreinishand then load the prefix value from config17:44
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dkranzmtreinish: yes, it can partially work17:44
mtreinishdkranz: there's nothing we can do about that, short of filing a bug with the project and fixing it there17:44
dpatersonsome objects not globally scoped right?  So admin cannot see them, only deleted tenents17:45
dkranzdpaterson: right17:45
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dpatersonthat will still be an issue.17:45
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dkranzBut once test accounts become the norm perhaps isolation will only be used for throw-away cloueds17:45
mtreinishdpaterson: right, but that's also a problem for every user not just tempest17:45
mtreinishthere were some ml threads about the issue a while ago, I'm not sure what happened to them though17:46
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dkranzmtreinish: yeah,17:46
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dkranzmtreinish: we can re-enable isolatoin with prefixes later I think17:47
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mtreinishdkranz: right adding support to the cleanup tool todo prefixed resource deletion is a separate thing17:47
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mtreinishok, are there any other patches to bring up?17:48
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mtreinishheh, I guess not17:49
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mtreinishlet's open the floor then17:49
mtreinish#topic Open Discussion17:49
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dpatersonmid-cycle meetup: any plans for where and when yet?17:49
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dpatersonI'm getting dings from bossmen about projected travel expenses for the year.17:50
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mtreinishdpaterson: so I'm looking at 2 options right now either the week of aug 10th or Sept. 10th17:50
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mtreinishmost likely at hp in ft collins17:50
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mtreinishI'm leaning towards the sept. one because it gives us a bit more time for planning and travel approval17:51
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dpatersonmtreinish: +1 for sept, tix will be expensive for aug 10th17:51
dkranzmtreinish: Tokyo is only six weeks after that :)17:51
dkranzso 3/4 cycle17:52
mtreinishdkranz: heh, yeah it's more another end of cycle like what we did in ny :)17:52
andreafwe could meet a few days ealier in Tokyo and do the mid cycle there :D17:52
andreafgo to Nikko and code around the temples17:52
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dtroyer_zzmtreinish: I don't recall If I mentioned here yet or not, but I'll be out most of August after back surgery on the 28th of this month…17:53
mtreinishandreaf: hah, I'm not opposed to doing that, except I'm probably going to be vacationing in Japan after summit17:53
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mtreinishdtroyer_zz: oh, well more reason to do sept :)17:53
mtreinishok, I'll try to plan something for sept and I'll take it to the ML after I have a room reserved and stuff in motion17:54
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dtroyer_zzdon't do Sept just because of me…I may not be travle ready by then anyway17:54
mtreinishdtroyer_zz: it's not just you, other people have expressed a preference for sept over aug too17:55
dtroyer_zzok, good17:55
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mtreinish#action mtreinish to try and organize a midcycle/end-of-cycle for week of sept 1017:55
mtreinishok with ~5min left is there anything to discuss?17:56
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mtreinishok, then let's end here17:57
mtreinishthanks everyone17:57
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daneyon_#start container-networking18:01
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daneyon_doesn't seem like the bot has set the meeting18:02
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daneyon_#start container-networking18:02
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suro-patzdaneyon_ it should be #startmeeting18:03
daneyon_#startmeeting container-networking18:03
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daneyon_suro-patz thx18:03
s3wonghello again :-)18:03
daneyon_#topic roll call18:03
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daneyon_thx all for joining18:05
daneyon_#topic Continue the collaborative brainstorm session in etherpad18:05
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daneyon_I have spent a good amount of time the last few days in the proposed change section18:05
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daneyon_Lets spend the next 15 min reviewing the Problem description and proposed change sections18:06
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daneyon_Please review Example 2 in the Problem description section18:07
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daneyon_please also review the Design Principles, alternatives and data model sections18:08
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daneyon_I just started on the data model impact18:08
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daneyon_Those with a longer history with Magnum, I could really use your input on how the proposed changes will effect the data model18:09
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suro-patzthe CIDR used in network_backend, is it going to be public or private?18:11
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suro-patzwe should provide an option to create a backend_network object/instance18:12
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suro-patzand refer the same during baymodel creation18:12
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daneyon_suro-patz can u pls elaborate on the object/instance?18:13
daneyon_it may be better to do so in the ep18:13
suro-patzI meant we could have 'magnum network_backend-create' with various options of KV pairs18:14
suro-patzthat way we can use the same backend, if required, to create various baymodels18:14
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daneyon_suro-patz take a look at where i talk about labels in the proposed changes section18:15
Tango|2You mean something like a model to represent the backend network, that can be shared/reused?18:15
daneyon_all, I am still debating whether adding the network_backend or just using labels to pass everything18:16
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hongbinI think network_backend makes sense18:17
suro-patzif we instantiate it becomes clear compartmentalization by individual instance and reference18:17
daneyon_then labels are used to pass in metadata/config to the backend18:17
daneyon_labels can be used for other purposes for similar reasons outside of network_backend18:17
suro-patzelse to access the the flannel params of a baymodel, baymodel will be the container of all the attributes18:18
daneyon_it seems like labels are becoming the standard way to pass md to docker daemon/containers/images, k8s, etc..18:18
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hongbindaneyon_: It is better to design the lable for general purpose18:18
daneyon_i think so18:19
hongbinFor example, it can be used by the whole template, not just network18:19
daneyon_i wonder if general purpose labels should be a different spec that the network spec depends on????18:19
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hongbinMaybe a different BP18:19
Tango|2Sounds like it if we want to generalize18:20
daneyon_hongbin right. I called that out in the changes section of the ep spec.18:20
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daneyon_I would like labels to be a top level object that is utilized by the entire magnum system18:20
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Tango|2So to use labels, the keys would be well defined constant documented somewhere?18:21
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daneyon_the propsed changes section identifies 6 major changes18:22
daneyon_pls review 1-6 and let me know what you think18:22
daneyon_am i missing somehting?18:22
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suro-patzTo me the modeling looks very similar the way we have it for —coe kubernetes'18:22
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daneyon_I will pull out labels, create a seperate bp and have the net spec refer to the labels bp as a dependency18:23
hongbinsounds good18:23
hongbinAnother question, are we going to have another network_backend called neutron, or not?18:24
daneyon_without labels, we could support multiple network backends but just not be able to configure the backens until labels is implemented18:24
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daneyon_hongbin at this point I am unsure.18:25
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hongbindaneyon_: K. It may need a bit research to figure it out18:25
daneyon_i see container networking and openstack networking as 2 entities and I am still trying to identify the integration point18:25
SourabhPhongbin: what does network_backend called neutron represent? An integration point?18:25
daneyon_their is 1 example that i have been thinking of that points to neutron integration18:26
SourabhPdaneyon_: there’s a neutron networking sub-project called Kuryr that’s been proposed for integration18:26
daneyon_their is a neutron bp to implement vm-aware vlan's18:26
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daneyon_if we want to map these vm vlan's to containers to extend the vlan-based isolation into the container, then we will need the container network to intgrate with the neutron network18:27
daneyon_however, I don;t see vlan-based isolation being that important18:27
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daneyon_because of vxlan annd other prefered overlays/isolation mechanisms18:27
daneyon_SourabhP thx for sharing18:28
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daneyon_SourabhP can u pls add it to the ep with a brief description?18:29
daneyon_SourabhP i'll spend time diving in after the meeting, OK?18:29
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SourabhPdaneyon_: yes, will do. The relevant discussion happened on the openstack-dev ML.18:30
daneyon_SourabhP do you want to take a few min and discuss the project?18:30
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daneyon_SourabhP it would be helpful to add a pointer to the ML discussion in the ep too18:30
SourabhPdaneyon_: I haven’t yet studied it in much detail yet. I will add the relevant links.18:31
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daneyon_OK, thx18:31
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daneyon_#action everyone on the subteam to review the neutron-docker-plugin project18:32
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s3wongseems to only have document but no code18:33
daneyon_I could really use some help from someone to understand the Data model impact from network_backend18:33
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daneyon_I believe Antoni has been on the magnum irc channel18:34
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daneyon_this is the home stretch to submit the spec18:35
daneyon_I will be spending most of my time to complete the initial draft and submit it.18:35
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hongbinThe data model makes sense to me.18:35
daneyon_#action danehans to submit draft network spec on July 22, 201518:36
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hongbinJust one point, we don't have to use different heat template for different network backends18:36
daneyon_hongbin should i elaborate on anything?18:36
hongbinWe may use a single heat template for all network backend.18:37
daneyon_pls look at line 250, where SourabhP discussed registering network_backends18:37
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daneyon_again, this could be a seperate bp, as I could see the need for magnum to have an overall plugin registration/mgt process18:38
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daneyon_making networking in M pluggable is going to have an impact on the heat templates18:39
daneyon_for example> flannel can not longer be embedded18:40
hongbinActually I am thinking of the integration point18:40
daneyon_i see cloud-config is being used to explicitly setup flannel and flannel is embedded in the TL k8s yml's18:41
hongbinAn option is a Heat resource to abstract out different network backends18:41
daneyon_does anyone see any issues with making networking pluggable within the heat templates?18:41
suro-patzdaneyon_ +118:41
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hongbinThis could avoiding splitting templates for different backend18:42
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daneyon_hongbin that is what i'm thinking too18:42
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Tango|2It will probably take some experimenting to arrive at a good template design18:43
daneyon_all, pls add your ideas to 5 in proposed changes section18:43
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daneyon_Tango|2 agreed18:43
daneyon_I think the best 1st step is removing flannel from the core k8s templates18:44
daneyon_this is similar to what Docker did with libnetwork18:44
daneyon_provide the same functionality, but in a seperate library18:44
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Tango|2Yep, that would be a good exercise to see how to refactor further18:44
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daneyon_I would like to take a quick vote then18:46
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daneyon_on seperating flannel from core templates as one of the 1st steps18:46
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daneyon_from the spec for #518:47
Tango|2So does this imply having an option that's not flannel?18:47
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Tango|2or just refactoring?18:48
daneyon_yes.. this is what the magnum networking model is all about18:48
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daneyon_magnum should have the ability to support various container networking tools and techniques18:48
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daneyon_this is the batteries included but replaceable.18:49
suro-patzbtw, kubernetes can do multihost networking with flannel, of its own, by allocating individual subnet on each host, and adding route for other subnets18:49
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daneyon_although flannel will be pulled from core k8s templaates, it will continue to be the default18:49
sicarie+1 for me then - sensible default that's able to be swapped out18:50
suro-patzdaneyon_: do we have a need to keep flannel as default? As kube can do by itself18:50
daneyon_so if a user creates a new baymodel, specifies the coe=kubernetes and does not specify a network_backend, flannel will be chosen18:50
daneyon_make sense?18:50
daneyon_suro-patz pls see above18:50
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daneyon_hongbin does the above make sense to you too?18:51
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suro-patzI agree to refactor and make flannel optional, but I am saying it need not be default18:51
hongbindaneyon_: Yes, definite18:51
Tango|2Do we know if anyone has tried a different overlay network with Kubernetes?18:52
daneyon_OK, I think we are in agreement.18:52
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daneyon_Does anyone -1 this approach?18:52
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daneyon_pls speak up if so.18:52
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daneyon_Otherwise, feel free to add to the spec sections in the etherpad18:52
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daneyon_hongbin and all what do you think about having to register plugins?18:53
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daneyon_If so, I think it may make sense to have as a seperate bp18:53
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hongbindaneyon_: don't follow sorry18:54
daneyon_I could see the network plugin framework be adopted as a larger effort across magnum and other plugins for storage, etc.. would follow the same registration process18:54
sicarie+1 to separate bp - it sounds like there's other stuff going on there that may need to be aligned with other efforts18:54
daneyon_hongbin look at line 250 of the ep18:55
s3wongsure, let's punt that to another spec (and when Magnum has a more generic framework)18:55
daneyon_i think registering plugins make sense, i just think it should be a seperate bp bc it has a wider impact than just the network spec18:55
Tango|2We should bring this up for discussion on the ML18:56
daneyon_will do18:56
daneyon_SourabhP do you want to start the plugin registration ML thread or would you like me to?18:56
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SourabhPdaneyon_: pls go ahead18:57
daneyon_#action danehans to start a ML discussion related to plugin registration and an overall plugin framework18:57
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daneyon_we are winding down the meeting18:57
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daneyon_i really appreciate everyone's participation18:57
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sicariealmost unrelated news:
Tango|2Do we need another meeting to finalize ?18:58
daneyon_+1 or -1 to meet at the same bat time on the same bat channel next week?18:58
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daneyon_will do18:59
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daneyon_lets keep in touch on the magnum irc channel18:59
daneyon_thank you for your time!18:59
daneyon_and see you all back here next week19:00
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dtroyer_zz#startmeeting OpenStackClient19:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient'19:01
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dtroyer_zzWho is here today?19:01
stevemardtroyer_zz: half here19:01
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dtroyer_zzstevemar: I hope it is the pretty half19:01
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stevemardtroyer_zz: bknudson is around too, and pushing patches19:01
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dtroyer_zzping: lhcheng, sigmavirus2419:02
bknudsonkeystone meetup!19:02
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dtroyer_zzOh!  Say hi to the gang!19:02
bknudsonconversation here is uninteresting19:02
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dstanekbknudson: nice19:03
stevemarbknudson: yeah, little bit19:03
dtroyer_zz#topic reviews19:03
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dtroyer_zzI suppose the starting point might be WTF is going on?  I haven't had a chance yet to dig into the test failures, has anyone else?19:03
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bknudsonI tried to use devstack to install and it didn't work.19:04
* sigmavirus24 didn't know there was a failure =P19:04
bknudsonI think due to
openstackLaunchpad bug 1475127 in python-openstackclient "Cannot manipulate group member by ID" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Martinelli (stevemar)19:04
stevemaryeah, the recent devstack patches to use keystone v3 only kinda murked things up19:05
stevemardtroyer_zz: i brought this up yesterday and you thought i was crazy!19:06
dtroyer_zzthat's what I was wondering.  did it to this across the board?19:06
dtroyer_zzis this what you were asking?  I couldn't duplicate it here19:06
stevemaryou'll only hit it if its osc master + devstack master19:06
bknudsonit's passing domain_id=None to groups.get(), but that function only takes a group parameter19:06
stevemarso CI is fine19:06
stevemar(well, not _our_ CI)19:07
dtroyer_zzoh, right19:07
dtroyer_zzthen I suppose that's the priority for this afternoon…19:07
bknudsonthat's the groups.get() call19:07
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dtroyer_zzso the dueling reviews, face-off in 10 minutes?  ;)19:08
bknudsonthere's find_resource, which would call manager.get(name_or_id, **kwargs)19:08
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stevemardtroyer_zz: basically, the find_resource call (or the refactoring we did a while ago, find_group_resource) changed the way .get() and .find() are called with UUIDs19:08
bknudsonso if kwargs has domain_id=None, it calls get('uuid-jdsfkdsa', domain_id=None)19:09
stevemarit ended up doing this: GET /v3/users?name=f84f7276f2ae4e068869d9e5afd433ed19:09
stevemarwhich is silly pants19:09
stevemardtroyer_zz: both fix it, just at different layers19:09
stevemardtroyer_zz: you can decide which fix you like better :P19:09
bknudsonfind_resource is considering any exception from manager.get(name_or_id, **kwargs)  to mean "resource not found"19:10
dtroyer_zzok, at a glance I don't know yet…will dig in after the meeting19:10
bknudsonwhich hides the actual error19:10
dtroyer_zzthat sounds bad, bknudson is in the lead now ;)19:10
bknudsonthe actual error was that .get() was called with an invalid parameter19:10
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bknudsonI didn't try to fix that19:10
stevemarbknudson: slacker19:10
dtroyer_zzso then I still have to actually read both reviews?19:11
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dtroyer_zzwhat other reviews need attention here?19:11
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stevemardtroyer_zz: it'll be cool, i already approved mine, to get the gate unstuck (and i did this early in the morning)19:11
bknudsonit's interesting that the manager.get(int(name_or_id), **kwargs) case has special exception handler but manager.get(name_or_id, **kwargs) just skips19:11
stevemarbknudson: you're more than welcome to fix it :D19:12
bknudsonmaybe the exception handlers should be the same. I'll propose a patch!19:12
stevemardtroyer_zz: so, a cool review that was recently merged19:12
topolbknudson, sounds like an easy one to review!  add me as a reviewer!!!19:13
stevemarthanks to shaleh:
stevemarnow --help | -h works19:13
shalehI like good UX :-)19:13
shalehI have some more ideas to propose once I get 'image create' working properly19:13
dtroyer_zzyes!  thanks shaleh.  and it was a cliff fix19:13
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stevemardtroyer_zz: logistically, i kept the bug attached to OSC too, so we remember to release a new cliff before we release OSC19:14
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stevemardtroyer_zz: another recent cliff change:
stevemarmoar UX!19:14
shalehI was actually thinking of writing that patch when I saw the review land19:15
stevemarif you type $ openstack user foo19:15
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topolstevemar Need moar UX!!! keep going!!!19:15
stevemarit'll spit out other `openstack user` commands instead of non-sense19:15
dtroyer_zzah, that's where that came from!  I saw it when testing the help bit19:15
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stevemardtroyer_zz: terrylhowe and i were waiting for you and/or dhellmann to be cool with it19:16
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dtroyer_zzI didn't realize it was sitting there… conceptually I am, will look after the other thing19:16
stevemardtroyer_zz: it landed yesterday?19:16
terrylhoweboth nice fixes19:17
stevemarerr.. arrived19:17
dtroyer_zzmy queue polling has been dropping packets lately19:17
stevemardtroyer_zz: nah, it showed yo 24 hrs ago :P19:17
dhellmannstevemar: I'll be looking at it later today19:17
stevemardhellmann: ty sir! you're a gentleman and a scholar19:18
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dtroyer_zzso in Roxana makes a point about starting with interface and changing to endpoint-type (I may have prompted that).  evidently only Identity uses 'interface'.  Do we still want to make that change?  I'm waffling now…19:18
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stevemari thought i approved that19:19
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dtroyer_zzno +A yet19:19
stevemari like interface since it makes jamie happy :P19:19
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stevemarand staying consistent with KSC is good19:19
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shalehRoxana just wants her patch to land and be done :-)19:19
dtroyer_zzwe have been giving Jamie plenty of grief  ;)19:19
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dtroyer_zzterrylhowe: does the SDK have a single usage internally for this?19:20
terrylhoweI have a change in occ for that19:20
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stevemarshaleh: i already apologized to roxana in person at keystone mid cycle!19:20
shalehstevemar: :-)19:20
terrylhowethe sdk should probably go to interface.  It is using endpoint_type now.  i think I made a bug for it already.19:20
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dtroyer_zzit's me too, I've basically had a mental cache flush (and will again in a few weeks)19:21
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dtroyer_zzterrylhowe: ok, if you are confident that is going to happen, we need to be consistent there for sure19:21
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stevemarempty caches are good sometimes19:21
terrylhoweyeh endpoint_type->interface will happen in sdk19:21
dtroyer_zzok, then I'm back on-board with it here too19:22
terrylhowein occ Monty just asked for a minor change in the backward compat19:22
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stevemardtroyer_zz: aside from those, theres a whole whack of functional tests being added by some dude19:22
stevemari tried to keep up, but he's cranking them out19:22
terrylhowesame here stevemar19:23
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dtroyer_zzhow do they look?  consistent with the way we've been doing them?19:23
dtroyer_zzI havne't looked at them at all yet19:23
stevemardtroyer_zz: yep, i weighed in heavily on the early ones19:23
dtroyer_zzok, good19:23
stevemarbut all subsequent ones are looking good19:23
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stevemarhe's also going around adding --project-domain | --user-domain | --group-domain to the few spots we missed19:24
dtroyer_zzany other reviews for attention?19:25
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stevemara few image related ones are up, haven't reviewed them yet19:25
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dtroyer_zznot counting network, and after volume v2, image v2 needed the most love…19:26
dtroyer_zz#topic bugs19:27
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stevemardtroyer_zz: volume v2 is pretty awesome now btw19:27
stevemarabhide did great work there19:28
dtroyer_zz looks interesting… is this a case of OSC not doing the name -> ID translation properly?19:28
openstackLaunchpad bug 1472909 in python-openstackclient ""role assignment list" fails if two users in different domains have the same name" [Undecided,New]19:28
stevemarimage v2 has a few patches now19:28
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terrylhoweI’ll be back on network once this next sdk release goes out (this week soemtime)19:28
stevemardtroyer_zz: oh maybe19:28
stevemarmight have been...19:28
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stevemarerr, 'might be'19:28
dtroyer_zzthat's the only reason I can think of why it might not be a server-side problem…19:29
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dtroyer_zzI'm not sure how to corss domains from the API intentionally19:29
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dtroyer_zzit looks like there are a couple of bugs connected to o-c-c19:31
dtroyer_zzwhoever mentioned doing a release there soon is right...19:31
* dtroyer_zz too lazy to scroll back19:32
stevemarwe should do one soonish19:32
dtroyer_zzany other bugs?19:32
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stevemaronce the gate is fixed, and we push a few bug fixes19:32
dtroyer_zz#topic open discussion19:33
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dtroyer_zzso, speaking of releases…19:33
dtroyer_zza) occ gets one soon, then…19:33
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dtroyer_zzb) osc gets one following19:34
dhellmanncliff should get one when we land that second ux patch19:34
stevemarerr not quite19:34
stevemarcliff gets one too19:34
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stevemardhellmann: knows whats good19:34
dtroyer_zzI think it would be goood to get the image work finished now before doing another release19:34
dtroyer_zzre cliff: agreed19:35
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dtroyer_zzand we have a new process for doing the releases.  dhellmann, would it be helpful if we do depends-on in those reviews to set order?19:36
stevemardtroyer_zz: i think we can say we have volume v2 support now:
dhellmanndtroyer_zz: some of the repos from the team aren't being managed, so we should talk about that, too19:36
dhellmanndoes the order matter?19:37
stevemardhellmann: hmm? which repos?19:37
dtroyer_zzhmmm…. I saw cliff in there, so occ?19:37
dhellmannyeah, occ is release:independent19:37
dtroyer_zzorder only in that cliff and occ need to come before osc19:37
dhellmanndtroyer_zz: ok, you could just submit them as a series of patches19:37
dtroyer_zzah, right, that would be easier to follow19:38
dhellmannyeah, depends-on is only needed for cross-repo things19:38
stevemaroh more open discussion19:38
dhellmannand it's possible we'll disallow those for releases, to avoid having people try to ask for a release of something that hasn't merged19:38
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stevemarabhide asked me if i had a bp he could work on19:38
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stevemari told him to do this:
shalehooo fun19:39
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dtroyer_zzshaleh: looking through the BP's, there is that applies to the image stuff you are working on…go ahead and reference that and we can close it when the image create is finished19:40
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terrylhoweshould that bp have —marker?19:40
shalehdtroyer_zz: shall do19:40
stevemardtroyer_zz: i was going to say, i plan on marking some BPs are obsolete, ceilometer/heat/trove/sahara/magnum/manila plugin bps19:40
dtroyer_zzerr, image member or whatever it is called19:40
dtroyer_zzstevemar: go for it19:41
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dtroyer_zzany other things to discuss?19:42
stevemardtroyer_zz: there we go, we lost some weight there:
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stevemardtroyer_zz: i'm in a `go-through-bps` mood19:43
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shalehdtroyer_zz: want help on that?19:44
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dtroyer_zzshaleh: I did that three times already and none of them really worked right due to the wide variances of server response.19:45
dtroyer_zzOSC has a hack in it for mis-configured keystone but the rest are still sitting in a branch somewhere19:45
stevemaroh oh, before i forget...19:46
stevemardtroyer_zz: really need your input on this one19:46
dtroyer_zzI think the ideal solution is to generalize it into the SDK19:46
dtroyer_zzand handle the project-specific hacks there19:46
stevemarwe are nuking the keystone CLI very soon, when we release keystoneclient 2.019:46
stevemarbknudson had some remarks about morgans work:
stevemarif you could check PS3, and brants comments... that would be great19:47
dtroyer_zzI left a comment there this morning19:47
stevemari think brant it crazy, but that's not unusual19:47
dtroyer_zzon the specific one you posted…19:47
dtroyer_zzin general, OSC has tried to avoid using the oslo-config based arg handling, so I'm of the opinion that removing that should hurt us.  it might affect others...19:48
dtroyer_zzer, shouldn't hurt us19:48
stevemarshould or shoudln't19:48
stevemarok cool19:48
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dtroyer_zzdo you have plans to set any version caps anywhere before 2.0 is released?19:49
dtroyer_zzor find the breakage then?19:49
stevemarnot sure, gotta ask morgan19:50
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dtroyer_zzok sports fans, anything else today?19:51
terrylhowejust a whole bunch of patches to push through19:52
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stevemarterrylhowe: yeah19:52
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stevemaronce we get our open patch queue to something reasonable we should push for a release19:53
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terrylhoweall these gate problems have made things tough19:53
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stevemarterrylhowe: yeah, at least we have fixes in place now19:53
dtroyer_zzyes.  I may not have time to do that next week, but with the current processes that is basically pulling together release notes in the docs19:53
stevemardtroyer_zz: that's all i got19:54
stevemardtroyer_zz: wrap it up!19:54
dtroyer_zzok, we'll call it a day then19:54
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dtroyer_zzthanks everyone!19:54
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dtroyer_zzI saw that… and he's contributed fixes19:55
dtroyer_zzwe're not the best marketing people it seems ;)19:55
stevemardtroyer_zz: i like this part the best: Shout out to the Openstackclient core reviewers Steve Martinelli and Terry Howe for giving me great feedback to get QoS support merged. I also appreciated that they were rigorous about the implementation and standards.19:56
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dtroyer_zzit just goes to show you, if you piss off enough people you'll eventually find one that understands why19:57
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dansmithmriedem: you running this show?21:00
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gabriel-bezerranova meeting now?21:00
johnthetubaguyhey, I can if needed21:00
mriedemi defer to the PTL21:00
tonyball hail the PTL :P21:01
johnthetubaguylol, I am only half awake, but lets do this thing21:01
bauzastick tock21:01
johnthetubaguy#startmeeting nova21:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 16 21:01:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:01
gabriel-bezerraGood evening!21:01
johnthetubaguy#topic Release status21:01
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johnthetubaguyso I send an ML message, but today was non-priority feature proposal freeze21:02
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johnthetubaguy#info today was non-priority feature proposal freeze21:02
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johnthetubaguy#info liberty-2 is july 30th and non-priority feature freeze21:02
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johnthetubaguythats got all the details, if people are interested in what happened21:03
johnthetubaguy^ that describes why we are doing all this process, or it tries to21:03
johnthetubaguyany questions on process stuff?21:03
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johnthetubaguy#action johnthetubaguy needs to go through nova-specs reviews and make sure people know about the move to the backlog21:04
johnthetubaguyOK, either IRC has netsplit without telling me, or there are now questions, so moving on I guess...21:04
johnthetubaguy#topic Bugs21:04
mriedemno questions21:04
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mriedemon backlogs21:04
gabriel-bezerrais that backlog in the links?21:05
mriedemwe keep saying to move things that aren't making it to the backlog,21:05
johnthetubaguyah, yes, backlogs, yes, lets do that21:05
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mriedembut if you read the docs on the backlog, it's about dumping ideas for people to go work on, not a place to defer things that didn't make n and need to go to n+121:05
mriedemwe probably need to add something to the docs explaining that if backlog is going to become a deferral limbo place21:05
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dansmithI was not in favor of making it a missed-deadline wasteland21:06
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johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, so I think I want to discuss the plans at the midcycle21:06
mriedemin the past people just move their stuff when they repropose21:06
gabriel-bezerrathanks, bauzas21:06
mriedemso maybe we should hold off on telling people to start moving specs to backlog until after the meetup?21:06
johnthetubaguyso I had some ideas, but they are a little crazy21:06
mriedemoh, runways21:07
mriedemi see21:07
mriedemRIP jogo21:07
johnthetubaguyyeah, heading that way at least21:07
gabriel-bezerraso the backlog is a directory in the specs repository?21:07
johnthetubaguygabriel-bezerra: yes21:07
bauzasgabriel-bezerra: yep21:07
mriedemgabriel-bezerra: yes, it's talked about in the nova-specs readme21:07
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mriedemwe can move on, i'll add a thing to the etherpad for the meetup to talk about htis21:08
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johnthetubaguygabriel-bezerra: basically merge in the backlog, rather than a specific release21:08
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johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, thats cool, lets bring this up at the end if that makes sense21:08
johnthetubaguyso I should have used the undo, there, my bad21:08
johnthetubaguyanyways, bugs21:08
gabriel-bezerragot it21:08
johnthetubaguyanything people want to talk about?21:08
bauzasone criitcal21:08
bauzasprobably not critical21:09
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1475202 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Snapshot deleting of attached volume fails with remotefs volume drivers" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Dmitry Guryanov (dguryanov)21:09
johnthetubaguyyes, feels like a high is the max there21:09
johnthetubaguybauzas: you OK to update the priority and add an educational comment?21:09
bauzaschanging the prio unless someone yells21:09
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johnthetubaguycool, anything else21:09
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: sure thing21:09
bauzasthat's it for bugs - none for the client21:10
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johnthetubaguymriedem: man of the gate, hows things looking right now, I saw lots of reverts being discussed that fixed a few things, I guess?21:10
mriedemit's fine21:10
mriedembacked up21:10
mriedembut fine21:10
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dansmith"man of the gate" ... I'll have to remember that21:10
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johnthetubaguy#topic regular reminders21:11
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johnthetubaguyso its probably a good time to review low priority specs, give people have been really quite good at getting code up to review21:11
bauzasmriedem: 16 patches in my series, no Jenkins false positives, so yeah it's cool :p21:11
johnthetubaguybut ...21:11
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johnthetubaguyplease to try and review these things too, ideally ^21:12
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johnthetubaguyI commented on unshelf as added in the agenda21:12
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johnthetubaguyplease do work on post summit actions^21:12
tpatil_johnthetubaguy: Yes, we will move the specs to backlog21:13
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tpatil_We have simplified specs by removing complex deployments strategies (host aggregate groups) and also addressed all comments received from Alaski and Matt in PS 1521:13
tpatil_After moving specs to the backlog, request everyone to please review the specs.21:13
johnthetubaguytpatil_: thanks, hopefully we can get a way forward agreed really soon21:13
johnthetubaguytpatil_: yeah, it feels like we are getting closer now21:13
tpatil_johnthetubaguy: Thanks, looking forward to it.21:13
johnthetubaguyso ideas for next week, feel free to add them ^21:13
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion21:14
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johnthetubaguyI don't see any stuck reviews21:14
bauzassaw a google hangout link, thanks !21:14
johnthetubaguyso straight to open21:14
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johnthetubaguybauzas: yeah, it might not work, but we can try a few things21:14
johnthetubaguyso we have agenda stuff...21:14
gabriel-bezerraI have a stuck review, but mriedem advised me to put it in Open Discussion21:14
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: sure thing21:14
gabriel-bezerrait's the first topic there21:14
johnthetubaguyso yeah, we have:
gabriel-bezerraThat one21:15
gabriel-bezerrathe code is ready, just 7 lines21:15
johnthetubaguynow, the problem here, is the blueprint freeze was at the end of June21:15
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johnthetubaguyand the exception process ended last week21:15
mriedemmikal said in the spec that it probably doesn't need a spec
mriedemso i think that's why it's 'stuck'21:16
gabriel-bezerrait just adds the instance/display_name to the message nova sends to ironic21:16
mriedemgot caught in process limbo21:16
johnthetubaguyoh dear, I see21:16
mriedemseems trivial enough to not require a spec21:16
mriedemwe have a couple of these21:16
johnthetubaguygabriel-bezerra: do you have you code up for review now?21:16
gabriel-bezerrayes, it is in the second link21:16
mriedem^ is the code21:16
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jrollgabriel-bezerra: so the idea is to pass instance display_name to ironic node.instance_info?21:16
gabriel-bezerrayes, jroll21:17
dansmithI violently disagree with this code21:17
gabriel-bezerraso we can improve the UX of the driver21:17
jroll..... that code needs a spec?21:17
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johnthetubaguydansmith: in a block the blueprint kind of way?21:17
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: no in a completely sarcastic way21:17
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johnthetubaguydansmith: :)21:17
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mriedemso i move to trivially approve the bp21:17
mriedemdrop the spec21:17
mriedemmerge the code21:17
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jrollmriedem: +121:18
johnthetubaguygabriel-bezerra: so to make this happen next time, basically just add the blueprint to the nova-meeting, attempting to document and streamline all this, we had a few fall between the gaps21:18
bauzasoh, sooooo many co-authors :)21:18
johnthetubaguyah, so we have a few specs that are bug fixes21:19
dansmithyeah, how is that possible?21:19
johnthetubaguythey need a reveiw21:19
dansmiththat's more than one author per line I think21:19
edleafebauzas: they each wrote one character21:19
mriedemmust be an edu thing21:19
tonybbauzas: Yeah one line each?21:19
jrolljohnthetubaguy: I'm shocked this even requires a blueprint21:19
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johnthetubaguyjroll: its only for tracking21:19
gabriel-bezerrajohnthetubaguy: sure. thanks.21:19
mriedemmoving on?21:19
johnthetubaguyjroll: so we can tell users we added a feature21:19
bauzastokyo is close, I guess21:19
gabriel-bezerrayes, we are a university21:19
jrolljohnthetubaguy: heard21:19
johnthetubaguyI think those ones are API changes21:20
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johnthetubaguybut are bug fixes that spiralled, so some eyes on those would be good, I should take a look too21:20
johnthetubaguythere is a review request on the agenda too21:20
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johnthetubaguylook there if you fancy21:20
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johnthetubaguyah, so the next one is some brick stuff21:20
mriedemyeah, so this is another case of process limbo,21:21
mriedemwhen those were proposed we weren't sure if they would be os-brick or old style volume drivers,21:21
mriedemso that held them up even though the code was up,21:21
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mriedemnow hemna's os-brick change has a +2 and should get in,21:21
johnthetubaguyyeah, they feel like tiny things we can just document the blueprints for21:21
mriedemand the hgst and scaelio changes are on top of htat21:21
johnthetubaguyyeah, I hoped to do the brick review today, but it didn't happen21:21
hemnamriedem, thanks for all the help on that21:22
mriedemso, another case where i don't think we should block those21:22
mriedemthe nova code is just a shim layer that talks to brick21:22
johnthetubaguyyeah, seems reasonable21:22
mriedemwe should actually probably add these kinds of things to the spec template or readme about what doesn't need a spec21:22
mriedemwhich i could do21:22
johnthetubaguywe can do those kinds of blueprints on IRC I think, rather than wait for the meeting, if that works better21:23
johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, we lots some of the good examples in the doc clean up, these would be good adds21:23
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mriedemjust airing it out here21:23
johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, good idea21:23
mriedem#action mriedem to add volume driver examples about what doesn't need a spec21:23
johnthetubaguythe spec vs blueprint guidelines are very poor right, now, I think we are better practiced now, so we can document that21:24
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johnthetubaguymriedem: awesome, thank you21:24
johnthetubaguyso.. now its open open discussion21:24
johnthetubaguyany more for any more?21:24
earlephilhowerJust checking, for those 2 BPs21:24
earlephilhowerdo the authors need to do anything (Xyang and I)?21:24
johnthetubaguyright, I think we can just approve those, as trivial things21:25
mriedemsounds like abandon the specs and approve the bps21:25
johnthetubaguymostly because they are already up for review, and agreed21:25
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earlephilhowerCool, thanks.21:25
xyang2thanks a lot!21:25
johnthetubaguyI will do the approve and abandon in the morning21:25
johnthetubaguyunless someone beats me to it21:25
mriedemi can do it21:26
johnthetubaguymriedem: cool21:26
johnthetubaguyanyways, any more for any more?21:26
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melwitt spec merged and can be approved I noticed21:27
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johnthetubaguymelwitt: ah, I missed that, oops, yeah21:27
melwittit wasn't there before this afternoon, I noticed it when I clicked the link in a patch about it21:28
* johnthetubaguy should really automate that...21:28
dansmithmelwitt: the check is in the mail, thanks21:28
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johnthetubaguyany more for any more?21:29
mriedemend it21:29
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johnthetubaguycool, so I am busy approving blueprints21:29
johnthetubaguysee some of you on tuesday21:29
johnthetubaguysee some of you on IRC tomorrow21:30
johnthetubaguythanks all21:30
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