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| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 16 13:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:00 |
| Daisy | Who is here for i18n meeting ? | 13:00 |
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| katomo | Hello | 13:00 |
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| Daisy | Hi, katomo | 13:01 |
| ianychoi_iphone | Hello :) | 13:01 |
| aeng | Hi | 13:01 |
| ujuc | hi :) | 13:01 |
| Daisy | Welcome, ianychoi_iphone, aeng and ujuc | 13:01 |
| Daisy | Let's start. | 13:01 |
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| Daisy | #topic Feedback collection about Zanata test instance | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Feedback collection about Zanata test instance (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:02 | |
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| camunoz | hi Daisy | 13:02 |
| Daisy | Zanata trial starts, and we have gotten various of feedback from the team. | 13:03 |
| Daisy | Hi, camunoz | 13:03 |
| Daisy | I have summarized the feedback to a etherpad page. | 13:03 |
| Daisy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zanata-feedback | 13:03 |
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| Daisy | camunoz and aeng: could we go through the issues one by one ? | 13:03 |
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| camunoz | sure | 13:04 |
| aeng | Sure | 13:04 |
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| Daisy | good. | 13:04 |
| Daisy | The first one is "There are multiple copies of some languages, apparently due to case sensitivity problems" | 13:04 |
| Daisy | I see your response, camunoz | 13:05 |
| Daisy | So it can be fixed by modifying database ? | 13:05 |
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| adiantum | hello | 13:06 |
| camunoz | for the time being, yes.... I would suggest we do that asap so that no one translates into the wrong lang codes | 13:06 |
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| Daisy | hi, adiantum | 13:07 |
| aeng | Agree. We should try to implement feature to delete language | 13:07 |
| Daisy | good, aeng | 13:07 |
| Daisy | ok. camunoz | 13:07 |
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| Daisy | The 4th issue in this etherpad page is a UI bug. I think it's not that high priority. | 13:08 |
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| Daisy | the 5th one has been reported as a bug. | 13:08 |
| Daisy | Ok. The 6th: A UI issue: the list of documents doesn't scrolling while the langauge list scrolls down. | 13:09 |
| Daisy | aeng and camunoz: does the description of 6th issue make sense ? | 13:09 |
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| camunoz | I understand the issue. Can I suggest we file a bug for it.... it's a UI problem | 13:09 |
| Daisy | ok. sure | 13:10 |
| aeng | Yup, reliased the issue | 13:10 |
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| Daisy | the 7th one: "review" button is not there. | 13:10 |
| Daisy | That's strange. | 13:10 |
| Daisy | I don't know why. I remember there should be a button to mark the translation reviewed. | 13:10 |
| aeng | Review is opened for all projects now in 3.7 | 13:10 |
| aeng | And the checkbox is removed. | 13:11 |
| Daisy | aeng: what do you mean ? | 13:11 |
| aeng | Now reviewer can approve or reject translation in their project | 13:12 |
| camunoz | it means that review doesn't need to be "activated" for a project | 13:12 |
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| camunoz | reviewers can just start reviewing strings whenever they like, or not at all if they don't wish to do so | 13:12 |
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| aeng | The require review sett8ngs has been removed. Again, thats in 3.7 | 13:12 |
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| Daisy | how could reviewers do the review then ? in this test instance ? | 13:14 |
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| camunoz | so, until such time as the instance gets upgraded to 3.7, we need to go into the projects (or versions) and activate review for them | 13:15 |
| aeng | In 3.6, which is the one in test instance, project mainatainer need to enable "require review" in project setting | 13:15 |
| camunoz | after the upgrade has happened, that does not need to happen | 13:15 |
| Daisy | ok. | 13:15 |
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| katomo | ok. | 13:16 |
| Daisy | camunoz: in the project setting page ? | 13:17 |
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| aeng | Version settings page | 13:17 |
| Daisy | after project maintainer enables "require review", there should be a check box for review, right ? | 13:18 |
| aeng | http://docs.zanata.org/en/release/user-guide/versions/version-settings/ in translation settings section | 13:18 |
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| camunoz | Daisy: correct... the review "options" will only be visible to those users with the "reviewer" role for the specific language | 13:19 |
| aeng | If enabled, reviewer will be able to see "approved" and "reject" button in editor | 13:19 |
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| Daisy | I have enabled a project: api-site | 13:20 |
| Daisy | Thank you, camunoz and aeng | 13:20 |
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| Daisy | I think I'm OK now. | 13:21 |
| Daisy | katomo: do you have further questions? | 13:21 |
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| katomo | none at now. | 13:21 |
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| Daisy | ujuc: Have you ever tried Zanata? Do you have any feedback ? | 13:22 |
| ujuc | none, yet.. | 13:22 |
| adiantum | some minor improvement in UI: is it possible to add coordinators & reviewers & translators projects and languages to dashboard? | 13:23 |
| Daisy | OK. | 13:23 |
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| ianychoi_iphone | I will see it when ujuc will approve my request on joining in ko_kr :) | 13:23 |
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| adiantum | currently i see only created project | 13:23 |
| camunoz | adiantum: anything is possible! :) ... I would suggest you add a feature request (in the form of a bugzilla issue) with the details of your request... for tracking purposes | 13:24 |
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| adiantum | camunoz: thank you :-) | 13:25 |
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| Daisy | OK then. | 13:26 |
| Daisy | Could we move to next topic ? | 13:26 |
| katomo | y | 13:26 |
| ianychoi_iphone | Ok | 13:26 |
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| FdotFr | ok :) | 13:27 |
| adiantum | k =) | 13:27 |
| ujuc | ok | 13:27 |
| Daisy | Thank you for staying late with us, camunoz and aeng. You could leave if you want. We will move to next topic. | 13:27 |
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| Daisy | #topic make translators as "ATC" | 13:27 |
| aeng | Thanks daisy | 13:27 |
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| camunoz | no problem Daisy , talk to you later | 13:27 |
| katomo | Thanks, camunoz and aeng ! | 13:27 |
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| ujuc | Thanks, camunoz, aeng :) | 13:28 |
| Daisy | In Vancouver, we discussed to get translators "ATC" registration code for each summit. | 13:28 |
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| Daisy | I discussed with tom and learned a few documents of openstack foundation. | 13:28 |
| Daisy | Just one concern in my mind is to sign the appropriate agreement. | 13:28 |
| Daisy | which is described here: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#account-setup | 13:29 |
| Daisy | this section: Sign the appropriate Individual Contributor License Agreement | 13:29 |
| Daisy | I don't know if asking translators to sign the agreement will become a block of translators contributions. | 13:29 |
| Daisy | how do you think, ujuc , adiantum , FdotFr , katomo ? | 13:30 |
| FdotFr | Daisy I am agree with this | 13:30 |
| adiantum | as soon as we expectiong to publish translator contribution to stacalytics i think we need accepted ICLA | 13:30 |
| katomo | I think it's no problem. Everyone should sign CLA to contribute(translate!) for OpenStack. | 13:30 |
| Daisy | FdotFr: what do you agree with ? | 13:31 |
| FdotFr | Daisy contributors has to sign the CLA | 13:31 |
| Daisy | OK. | 13:31 |
| FdotFr | this is the case for all the openstack contributors | 13:31 |
| Daisy | So you don't have any concerns to have your team to sign the CLA ? | 13:31 |
| FdotFr | it has to be the case for translators | 13:31 |
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| Daisy | OK. Nice. | 13:31 |
| FdotFr | Daisy if they want to be ATC they have to be agree with the foundations rules ;) | 13:31 |
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| ujuc | i agree this. | 13:32 |
| adiantum | FdotFr: +1 =) | 13:32 |
| ujuc | & +1 | 13:32 |
| FdotFr | Daisy when we will move to Zanata they will have to create an openstack account (if they don't have already one) | 13:32 |
| Daisy | Then another question in my mind: do we start collecting name+email of translators for Tokyo summit, and start the process to get translators ATC badge in Tokyo summit? or do we wait for next summit ? | 13:32 |
| FdotFr | so it will be a part of the subscription | 13:33 |
| FdotFr | Daisy what is the dead line ? | 13:33 |
| FdotFr | for tokyo ? | 13:33 |
| katomo | Tokyo ! | 13:33 |
| FdotFr | oh sorry katomo :( | 13:33 |
| FdotFr | Tokyo :) | 13:33 |
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| ujuc | ;) | 13:34 |
| FdotFr | I think we can do it for Tokyo | 13:34 |
| Daisy | Because we don't have name+email from Transifex. we have to collect manually. | 13:35 |
| Daisy | I don't know the deadline. | 13:35 |
| Daisy | The developers should have their codes now, I believe. | 13:35 |
| FdotFr | we all know our own local community so it will be easy to collect informations about main contributors | 13:35 |
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| katomo | the deadline is important... | 13:36 |
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| FdotFr | Daisy for France, on september I can take the list of french contributors and all who can have an ATC status I will send them an e-mail asking for their Openstack account and to check if they sign the CLA | 13:37 |
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| Daisy | katomo: could we finish the information collection and sign the CLA in 2 weeks ? | 13:37 |
| FdotFr | I f i don't have their mail I will contact them on transifex | 13:37 |
| katomo | 1st ATC tickets have already been sent. | 13:37 |
| katomo | Daisy: ok | 13:37 |
| FdotFr | Daisy katomo oh ok | 13:37 |
| adiantum | additional question: we decided that ATC shoud have 200 translated works for two last releases, but current statistics do not show us releases | 13:37 |
| FdotFr | so we have to do it now ? | 13:37 |
| Daisy | sorry, not to katomo , but to all. | 13:38 |
| Daisy | adiantum: what do you mean by "releases"? | 13:38 |
| Daisy | in our agreement last time, contributing at least 200 words translation and review in the last 2 releases | 13:38 |
| adiantum | i mean OpenStack release | 13:38 |
| Daisy | So while I export statistic data, I started from 2014.11.01 | 13:38 |
| adiantum | oh, i see... so this for last two | 13:39 |
| Daisy | Yes, adiantum . Not so accurate, but a estimation. | 13:39 |
| adiantum | ok ok | 13:40 |
| Daisy | FdotFr: send email, or contact through Transifex, let all of our translators know that we are moving to Zanata. Asking them to register OpenID, sign the CLA, if they want to continue the translation. At the same time, collecting their emails ( don't forget to associate transifex ID with emails ) | 13:41 |
| FdotFr | Daisy seems good for me :) | 13:41 |
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| FdotFr | Daisy I will update the spreadsheet with the collected informations :) | 13:42 |
| Daisy | Thank you, FdotFr | 13:42 |
| FdotFr | Daisy for France I have works to do :D 14 people to contact ! | 13:42 |
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| katomo | For Japanese, I will work. | 13:43 |
| FdotFr | Daisy can I have some writing rights on the spreadsheet ? | 13:43 |
| FdotFr | "OpenStack Translators Statistic from 2014.11.01 to 2015.7.16" | 13:43 |
| Daisy | For Chinese, I only know part of them. So I will contact through transfiex messaging. | 13:43 |
| adiantum | i'll make for Russian | 13:43 |
| FdotFr | for updating the list | 13:43 |
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| Daisy | OK, FdotFr . I will give the right to you. | 13:44 |
| FdotFr | Daisy thanks :) | 13:44 |
| Daisy | I will give right to all of you. :) | 13:44 |
| ujuc | I will korean :) | 13:44 |
| katomo | me too | 13:44 |
| ujuc | :) | 13:44 |
| katomo | Daisy: thanks | 13:44 |
| Daisy | Nice. Thank you all. Collect the information as soon as possible, and as much as possible. | 13:44 |
| adiantum | and just one more question... should we use new_total metric for 200 words? or we should use sum of new and edited? | 13:45 |
| Daisy | I will suggest: new_total | 13:45 |
| ujuc | new_total? | 13:46 |
| ujuc | ok | 13:46 |
| adiantum | ok | 13:46 |
| katomo | ok | 13:46 |
| Daisy | Ok. let's move to next one | 13:46 |
| ujuc | ok | 13:46 |
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| Daisy | #topic update on two blueprints: translators metric and translation check website | 13:46 |
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| Daisy | as to translators metric, adiantum and I are working on it. | 13:46 |
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| adiantum | you can find all info about here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/stackalytics/+spec/translators-contribution | 13:48 |
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| Daisy | adiantum has discussed the design with the owner of stackalytics. we have forked the stackalytics. we have allocated tasks. we didn't start coding yet, but will start soon. My goal is to have this feature ready before Tokyo summit. | 13:48 |
| Daisy | adiantum: do you think we can finish it before Tokyo summit ? | 13:48 |
| Daisy | adiantum: maybe we don't have a perfect version. Let's make a basic version at first. I want to show it to our translators in Tokyo summit. | 13:48 |
| adiantum | Daisy i think we can create first basic version | 13:49 |
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| Daisy | good, adiantum . | 13:49 |
| Daisy | Thank you. | 13:49 |
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| katomo | great! | 13:49 |
| adiantum | i'll be more active with this task after 22 July | 13:49 |
| Daisy | as to "translation check website", I lost contact with Deelay1 | 13:49 |
| Daisy | so this bp is pending. | 13:50 |
| adiantum | we have conference and party dedicated to OS 5thBday in Moscow, i'm currently working on it | 13:50 |
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| Daisy | who want to take over this one ? | 13:50 |
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| katomo | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/stackalytics/+spec/translators-contribution | 13:50 |
| Daisy | who want to take over this one: "translation check website" | 13:51 |
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| katomo | adiantum: working on chech site? | 13:51 |
| Daisy | Current, there is a patch to infra spec. We just need to write down spec. Infrastructure guy will help us to implement. | 13:51 |
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| adiantum | no no - i mean conference | 13:52 |
| katomo | I got it | 13:52 |
| katomo | I will take "translation check website" | 13:52 |
| Daisy | katomo: you will work on it ? | 13:52 |
| Daisy | Thank you, katomo | 13:52 |
| katomo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184559/ | 13:52 |
| Daisy | Hope we can use it in this release translation. | 13:52 |
| Daisy | Yes, exactly, this one, katomo | 13:53 |
| adiantum | katomo: great | 13:53 |
| katomo | a few "-1" ! | 13:53 |
| Daisy | Collect the feedback and refactor the spec. :) | 13:53 |
| adiantum | there is a several comments :-) | 13:53 |
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| Daisy | Nice. I have done my topics today. | 13:54 |
| Daisy | #topic open discussion | 13:54 |
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| Daisy | all thing to talk here ? | 13:55 |
| FdotFr | Daisy are you able in transifex to see in which project a translator has worked ? | 13:55 |
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| ianychoi_iphone | Please see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201663/ and review it. This review process is required to log on our openstack-translation channel. | 13:55 |
| FdotFr | Daisy because I something weird in the top french translators list | 13:55 |
| Daisy | I don't see I could do that, FdotFr , but I will do a careful check tomorrow. | 13:55 |
| adiantum | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201663/ | 13:56 |
| Daisy | ok, ianychoi_iphone | 13:56 |
| FdotFr | Daisy I have a translator who register last week and he is the first of the list :D | 13:56 |
| Daisy | interesting. | 13:56 |
| Daisy | I will make a careful check tomorrow. | 13:56 |
| Daisy | time is up. | 13:57 |
| Daisy | Can I close the meeting now ? | 13:57 |
| katomo | y | 13:57 |
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| ianychoi_iphone | Y :) | 13:57 |
| ujuc | yep | 13:57 |
| ujuc | :) | 13:57 |
| katomo | thanks,all | 13:58 |
| FdotFr | ianychoi_iphone done my +1 ;) | 13:58 |
| Daisy | Thank you all for attending , katomo , adiantum , ujuc , ianychoi, FdotFr ! | 13:58 |
| adiantum | thank you! | 13:58 |
| Daisy | It was very nice to talk with you. | 13:58 |
| FdotFr | Daisy thanks a lot Daisy :) | 13:58 |
| ianychoi_iphone | Thank you all! :) | 13:58 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 16 13:58:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-07-16-13.00.html | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-07-16-13.00.txt | 13:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-07-16-13.00.log.html | 13:58 |
| ujuc | thanks all :) zz | 13:58 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 16 15:00:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 15:00 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:00 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:00 |
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| eglynn | o/ | 15:01 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 15:01 |
| gordc | i'll give it a minute. | 15:01 |
| gordc | i think we have a few people out on holiday/meeting today | 15:02 |
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| fabiog | hi | 15:02 |
| efried | Howdy y'all. | 15:03 |
| gordc | cool. let's call this quorum. | 15:03 |
| gordc | so start off. thanks for all those who attended last week's midcycle. | 15:03 |
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| gordc | not ideal timing for americas but considering our developer base, it is what it is. | 15:03 |
| gordc | thanks to cdent and prad for organising | 15:04 |
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| * cdent plays a little violin for poor gordc | 15:04 | |
| ildikov | yeap thanks! | 15:04 |
| eglynn | yep, cdent++ prad++ | 15:04 |
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| gordc | we'll revisit the topic later but if you have input/feedback, feel free to bring it up during open discussion (or email me if you want it to remain private because you dont want to air dirty laundry) | 15:05 |
| gordc | first topic is a result of midcycle | 15:05 |
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| gordc | #topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/RoadMap | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/RoadMap (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:05 | |
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| gordc | we now have a 'formal' roadmap | 15:05 |
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| cdent | nice | 15:06 |
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| gordc | basically it lists all open priority items, some open items that could be targetted to current or next cycle | 15:06 |
| gordc | and some longer term goals which have been tossed around (by devs/users) | 15:07 |
| ildikov | huge +1 for having this | 15:07 |
| eglynn | on the gnocchi roadmap, do we need a "what to do about v2 API coexistence" item? | 15:07 |
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| gordc | the longer term goals have no been discussed and will need to go through review process | 15:07 |
| ildikov | eglynn: is that a Gnocchi roadmap? | 15:07 |
| gordc | eglynn: yes we can add that. we discussed v3 api at the midcycle | 15:08 |
| ildikov | eglynn: or can we consider momre as v2 deprecation roadmap? | 15:08 |
| eglynn | ildikov: sorry, I mean the gnocchi list on the general roadmap | 15:08 |
| gordc | but we didn't have a conclusive decision on whether we needed it just yet as it is only gnocchi that represents the change in representation | 15:08 |
| ildikov | eglynn: a-ha, ok | 15:08 |
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| gordc | we decided it's something to start thinking about... but right now gnocchi api will remain separate. | 15:09 |
| eglynn | gordc: one simple approach might be to disable the meters/samples/statistics endpoint in v2 API if gnochi dispatcher is enabled | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | ... i.e. return a fault saying "don't use me, use the gnochhi-api instead to retrieve metric data" | 15:10 |
| ildikov | yeap, but we need proper docco for that as it is quite big API change... | 15:10 |
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| gordc | eglynn: that sounds like a easy solution... if the conf file passed to api is pointing to gnocchi as dispatcher? | 15:11 |
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| cdent | that makes sense gordc | 15:12 |
| gordc | eglynn: i don't think the api currently is aware if gnocchi is enabled... all the normal setup is done. it would need to look at dispatcher value i think (which it doesn't currently) | 15:12 |
| cdent | it is safer than just checking for gnocchi's endpoint (as that's not conclusive) | 15:12 |
| eglynn | gordc, cdent: yep, or even have a separate config option to enable that stricter behavior | 15:12 |
| eglynn | yep | 15:12 |
| ildikov | I think checking the dispatcher value is more bullet proof | 15:13 |
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| gordc | just wondering if there's issues if there are multiple collectors... with different dispatchers | 15:13 |
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| gordc | so there's use case to publish datapoint to different targets so it's handled differently... osmething to look into. | 15:14 |
| fabiog | alternatively you could have two separate pipelines in wsgi | 15:14 |
| fabiog | like pipeline = request_id authtoken api-v2-server | 15:14 |
| fabiog | vs. pipeline = request_id authtoken api-v3-server | 15:14 |
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| fabiog | so you decide what API to enable | 15:15 |
| eglynn | multiple dispatchers I guess could be handled via a separate config option to turn on the stricter behavior | 15:15 |
| gordc | fabiog: yeah that's true. can it point to an external api? if api-v3-server was gnocchi? | 15:16 |
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| fabiog | gordc: I think so, you will need a stub in the Ceilo code but then you can import the Gnocchi API in there | 15:17 |
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| fabiog | gordc: or make calls | 15:17 |
| gordc | fabiog: kk. something to look into | 15:18 |
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| gordc | we should probably target this for liberty if we intend on promoting gnocchi as our usable 'default' driver. | 15:18 |
| eglynn | gordc: strong +1 on that targeting | 15:19 |
| ildikov | gordc: +1 | 15:19 |
| gordc | #action add workitem to either disable metering apis when gnocchi is enabled or create wsgi pipeline | 15:19 |
| gordc | so i think one thing we haven't figured out was how to manage the road map... anyone can add stuff so how do we ensure people are aware of updates. | 15:20 |
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| cdent | gordc: people can subscribe to email notifications for updates on that page, if they want | 15:20 |
| gordc | cdent: ah cool. i think i just didn't subscribe. | 15:21 |
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| ildikov | gordc: another item could be the aodh client question regarding targets there | 15:21 |
| gordc | non-issue then | 15:21 |
| gordc | ildikov: right. liusheng offered to start working on the aodh+ceilometer integration work | 15:22 |
| sileht | devstakc plugin is ready: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200467/ | 15:23 |
| ildikov | gordc: cool | 15:23 |
| gordc | i believe the opinion from ceilometer users (ie. heat) is that we keep the functionality in ceilometerclient | 15:23 |
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| gordc | which is probably best from usability pov. | 15:23 |
| gordc | i didn't get a chance to see what work is actually required to do that. | 15:24 |
| gordc | or if it's possible... cdent mentioned it could be an endpoint change to aodh and fall back to ceilometer if not? | 15:24 |
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| gordc | but i think for aodhclient specifically. that might be something for next cycle? unless we can't integrate it in to ceilometerclient for some reason. | 15:25 |
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| gordc | i really don't have a break down what work items are required to be honest so anyone with better view can comment. | 15:26 |
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| gordc | i'll check with liusheng to see what he discovers when he starts working on it i guess. | 15:27 |
| cdent | sounds like a good plan | 15:27 |
| cdent | we try to predict we'll just be wrong | 15:28 |
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| gordc | cool cool. any other items regarding roadmap? feel free to reassign priority if you think somehting should be bumped up (and there's a resource we can attach to it) | 15:28 |
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| gordc | #topic recurring: ceilometerclient release? | 15:30 |
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| gordc | i'm tracking nothing. if someone needs a new client shout now | 15:31 |
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| gordc | i should mention the release would probably be next week since release team isn't fond of thurs/fri releases | 15:31 |
| gordc | #topic recurring: Gnocchi status | 15:31 |
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| cdent | awesome devstack+gnocchi pile on this week | 15:32 |
| cdent | lots of issues discovered | 15:32 |
| cdent | some fixed | 15:32 |
| cdent | still some to go | 15:32 |
| cdent | it's almost but not quite fun | 15:32 |
| gordc | lol | 15:32 |
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| cdent | the latest concerning thing is a bug in carbonara: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnocchi/+bug/1475329 | 15:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1475329 in Gnocchi "Exception in gnocchi-metricd: ValueError: cannot reindex from a duplicate axis" [Undecided,New] | 15:32 |
| gordc | i told product to start looking at it. i'll check next week to see if they've disocvered anything | 15:33 |
| cdent | which came up after running with the file backend for a short while | 15:33 |
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| gordc | that looks scary. i don't think i saw that. | 15:33 |
| sileht | I have proposed to move the samples2resources/metrics convertion to yaml like event and notification: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202500/ | 15:33 |
| cdent | there have been a lot of changes to the devstack plugin in the last 24 hours so if anyone is testing with devstack, probably worth updating regularly | 15:33 |
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| cdent | 202500 is awesome | 15:33 |
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| gordc | sileht: agreed. the hardcoded resources were really really bothering me | 15:34 |
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| sileht | And I have reduced to only 1 resource patch per message received too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202589/ | 15:34 |
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| sileht | next perf improvement in the ceilometer-notifier to batch samples into one messages | 15:35 |
| gordc | sileht: awesome news. good to see we're targeting performance rather than features. | 15:35 |
| cdent | death to features! | 15:35 |
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| gordc | are we done with features in gnocchi? aside from influxdb driver | 15:35 |
| sileht | I want to see everything work in gate ! | 15:35 |
| eglynn | sileht: batching, coolness :) | 15:35 |
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| gordc | i think we should freeze features in gnocchi. assuming there isn't a massive gap somewhere. | 15:36 |
| sileht | I'm not sure batching is the priority, perhaps I will take that when more gate/functionnal testing have been done | 15:36 |
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| gordc | sileht: yeah gating probably takes priority... then performance | 15:36 |
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| eglynn | +1 to that | 15:37 |
| gordc | i'll sync with jd__ to confirm there's no massive gaps in gnocchi and if not we can do feature freeze. | 15:38 |
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| gordc | for gnocchi. | 15:38 |
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| gordc | for reviewers, we should probably start focusing on the same. i think the only non-performance related feature we have outstanding is alarm work but that's in aodh. | 15:40 |
| gordc | any other comments on gnocchi? | 15:40 |
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| gordc | #topic Open discussion | 15:41 |
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| gordc | does anyone have oslo.messaging 1.16.x + devstack installed? | 15:41 |
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| gordc | just for reference, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1475307 | 15:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1475307 in Ceilometer "collector has possible memory leak" [Critical,New] | 15:42 |
| lakshmiS | Have a question for ceilometer team. I am core commiter on Openstack searchlight project and we consume notifications from glance but when ceilometer is running, searchlight listener doesn't recieve those notifications. | 15:42 |
| lakshmiS | We have to stop ceilometer for searchlight to receive new notifications. Searchlight project has a patchset to include a pool name: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202392/ | 15:42 |
| lakshmiS | Can ceilometer do similarly or any other suggestions? | 15:42 |
| eglynn | lakshmiS: you need to configure glance to emit on two topics IIRC | 15:42 |
| gordc | lakshmiS: ^ | 15:43 |
| cdent | eglynn: that seems unfair | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | cdent: life is unfair :) | 15:43 |
| lakshmiS | can we not use different pool names: atleast that's what the oslo messaging document says | 15:43 |
| cdent | you're basically putting a dependency on a source for their to be multiple listeners | 15:43 |
| cdent | s/their/there/ | 15:43 |
| cdent | whereas what we'd like in a distributed system is for there to be N potential listeners without needing to change the source | 15:43 |
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| gordc | lakshmiS: there was an issue with that oslo.messaging | 15:43 |
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| lakshmiS | cdent: +1 | 15:44 |
| sileht | that should just work | 15:44 |
| eglynn | cdent: yeap, it's certainly not pretty, I just think that's the current reality | 15:44 |
| * cdent does not aspire to reality ;) | 15:44 | |
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| eglynn | sileht: a-ha, k ... good to know | 15:44 |
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| lakshmiS | I tried changing ceilometer listener code to have a pool name but it stops working afer a while | 15:44 |
| lakshmiS | is there anyone from ceilometer team I can discuss this offline? | 15:44 |
| gordc | sileht: wasn't there an issue with pools, something about it not being created at right time so we'd lose messages? | 15:44 |
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| sileht | kmartin,you need to take a look to your rabbitmq queues and find those prefixed with searchlight-listener | 15:45 |
| gordc | lakshmiS: we're all over at #openstack-ceilometer (more euro based) but there's a few of us (me) in americas tz | 15:45 |
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| sileht | gordc, yes but you just lost message between the client side restart and the first server side start, that doesn't occurs offen | 15:46 |
| lakshmiS | gordc: sileht: can you point me to the issue you had previously with oslo.messaging pools? | 15:46 |
| sileht | lakshmiS, it not a issue, this is a historical behavior :p | 15:46 |
| lakshmiS | ok | 15:46 |
| sileht | unsure it's cleanly documented | 15:47 |
| lakshmiS | so the solution/alternative is to have multiple topics for notification.info from glance? | 15:47 |
| gordc | lakshmiS: post your issue over at #openstack-ceilometer and someone will reply. if not, we're sleeping and ML is good. | 15:47 |
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| lakshmiS | gordc: i wil do ML since I already did on IRC with no response | 15:47 |
| gordc | lakshmiS: that is the alternative yes... that's typically what is done. (ie. stacktach) | 15:48 |
| lakshmiS | gordc: thx | 15:48 |
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| gordc | sileht: for the above, do ceilometer and searchlight need to create pool or just one? the problem right is we're both using hte same default pool right? | 15:49 |
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| sileht | gordc, I think the safer ways is to emit the notification twice on the other side | 15:50 |
| lakshmiS | sileht: that would be a change on each team(glance, nova) etc right? | 15:50 |
| sileht | lakshmiS, yes a configuration change | 15:51 |
| sileht | gordc, this method ensure that no notifications will be missed | 15:51 |
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| gordc | sileht: got it. that's what i understood. | 15:51 |
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| lakshmiS | sileht: do you have any previous reviews doint this cofig change ? | 15:51 |
| lakshmiS | s/doint/doing | 15:52 |
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| gordc | lakshmiS: its either or i guess. pro/con either way. | 15:52 |
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| gordc | lakshmiS: let me dig up stacktach docs, they might reference it | 15:52 |
| lakshmiS | thanks gordc: | 15:52 |
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| gordc | anything other topics? | 15:53 |
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| gordc | lakshmiS: i'll send you link over in openstack-ceilometer unless you have another preference | 15:53 |
| gordc | 30s countdown | 15:54 |
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| lakshmiS | gordc: please send it to lakshmi.sampath@hp.com if possbile too | 15:55 |
| gordc | lakshmiS: kk | 15:55 |
| gordc | ending meeting. thanks folks | 15:55 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 16 15:55:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-07-16-15.00.html | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-07-16-15.00.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-07-16-15.00.log.html | 15:55 |
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| vishwanathj | Hello | 16:00 |
| bobh_ | Hello - I don't see Sridhar or Stephen online yet | 16:00 |
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| vishwanathj | hopefully, they are signing in | 16:01 |
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| sripriya | we can wait for some time | 16:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | hi | 16:05 |
| natarajk | hi | 16:05 |
| bobh_ | hello | 16:05 |
| sripriya | o/ | 16:05 |
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| prashantD | hi | 16:05 |
| tsalagi | hello | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | lets start in a min | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:06 |
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| auld | o/ | 16:08 |
| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 16 16:08:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:08 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Announcements | 16:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | Agenda - #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_July_16.2C_2015 | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | #info Devstack patch has merged. The latest Tacker installation instruction available here - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tacker/Installation | 16:09 |
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| s3wong | sorry, late again | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic API transition | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: hi | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: and me - looked into the how existing APIs are hooked | 16:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | as you might have noticed .. current Tacker code base uses neutron extension like mechanism | 16:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | the 'servicevm' component is implemented as extension and all the APIs are implemented in there | 16:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | Tacker doesn't have any "core" APIs (like neutron's basic network APIs) | 16:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: is planning to come up w/ a tacker-spec soon on this for us to review & comment | 16:14 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: anything else on this topic ? | 16:14 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: i think you covered it | 16:15 |
| sripriya | and just to add, we confired it is going to be v2 | 16:15 |
| sripriya | *confirmed | 16:15 |
| s3wong | basically need to do something like servicevm/v2/...? | 16:15 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: oh yes .. | 16:15 |
| sripriya | right now, the service_vm is based on v1 entry point | 16:15 |
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| sripriya | s3wong: it is something like v1/device_template and etc. | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | this will change to v2/vnfd | 16:16 |
| s3wong | sripriya: is that OK with the UnitedStack folks? They are already using servicevm/device_templat...etc | 16:16 |
| sripriya | we are going to retain the v1 support as a backward compatibility | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: existing v1 APIs won't change and it would continue to work | 16:18 |
| sridhar_ram | lets move on to health mon | 16:18 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Health Monitoring | 16:18 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh_: prashantD: take it away | 16:18 |
| bobh_ | I submitted a spec for review which contains some very basic enhancements to the existing ping monitor | 16:19 |
| bobh_ | I think we need to have a discussion regarding how much Tacker wants to be in the monitoring business, given other projects like Monasca and Ceilometer | 16:19 |
| tsalagi | Agreed, Monasca is looking promising | 16:20 |
| bobh_ | The outcome of that discussion will determine future direction for monitoring enhancements | 16:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh_: sure, but before that we need to get our framework in place | 16:20 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: we first need a loadable monitoring driver .. | 16:21 |
| tsalagi | Does Tacker have a framework for receiving notifications from things like Monasca or from the infrastructure? | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | tsalagi: that's exactly I'm getting at | 16:21 |
| s3wong | bobh_: that is actually a good question... we do anticipate some VNF to have its own monitoring driver | 16:21 |
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| bobh_ | Are we expecting each VNF to provide their own driver? I'm not sure that's a reasonable requirement | 16:21 |
| s3wong | bobh_: that being the case, is it OK for Tacker to expect that VNF vendor to write a driver for Monasca before it can work with Tacker? | 16:22 |
| bobh_ | As a user I want to bring my TOSCA csar file with an image etc and rely on infrastructure | 16:22 |
| s3wong | bobh_: we certainly don't want to preclude it | 16:22 |
| tsalagi | I would hope for a common framework for delivery of this information to VNFs. But agree Tacker needs something in the interim | 16:22 |
| bobh_ | s3wong: good question | 16:22 |
| bobh_ | s3wong: I agree | 16:22 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: agreed, that would be when we go to a agent-based model | 16:22 |
| bobh_ | I think part of the problem is the huge variety of VNFs | 16:23 |
| bobh_ | Some are very basic and some are very complex | 16:23 |
| bobh_ | trying to get any commonality at all will be a challenge | 16:23 |
| sridhar_ram | lets starts w/ some basic :) | 16:23 |
| tsalagi | I had hoped OPNFV would have taken the lead on this notification specification for VNFs | 16:23 |
| s3wong | bobh_: certainly, so we won't be expecting a monitoring API/framework that will work forever moving forward | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | to me the biggest part of the puzzle .. the interface between Tacker state machine and monitoring framework | 16:24 |
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| s3wong | bobh_: we only want to get things started, and iterate as we move forward with (hopefully) more users and vendors feedbacks | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | what would generic interface look like ? | 16:24 |
| bobh_ | I'd like to have a discussion about expectations for the framework - as well as expectations about what Tacker is going to provide versus what it will delegate to other projects | 16:24 |
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| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: Good question - is it a callback/API interface, or a message bus? or something else? | 16:25 |
| s3wong | bobh_: and that would require having knowledge of what is available on the other projects (Ceilometer and Monasca in this case) | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | to me ping, monasca, bfd, http-ping, etc are various monitoring mech .. | 16:25 |
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| tsalagi | That would be a very useful discussion, and perhaps helpful for the community in general | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: exactly ... | 16:26 |
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| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: I think we need a midcycle :-) | 16:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh_: agree, particularly for this subject | 16:26 |
| s3wong | bobh_: that said, our current monitoring is definitely virtually non-existent; so I am sure whatever is supported by Ceilometer and Monasca would be far superior than ours | 16:26 |
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| bobh_ | s3wong: I agree - and Heat includes Ceilometer hooks already, so we need to decide how to leverage | 16:27 |
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| s3wong | bobh_, sridhar_ram: the question is --- if we are to do Monasca, is this something we can realistically integrate with Tacker within the Liberty cycle? | 16:27 |
| tsalagi | Agree on the heat / Ceilomter hooks, need to leverage... | 16:27 |
| bobh_ | s3wong: I don't think so personally, but I'm a newbie | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: once the framework part is done.. the next realistic thing we can shoot for in Heat-Cielometer | 16:28 |
| aruncewind_ | bobh_ , on the same note, monasca is bringing in it's own alarm spec for Heat. in other words, as Monasca becomes monitoring and Ceilometer becomes metering, there would still be a way to use an OpenStack service for monitoring (Monasca) and have heat hooks for it | 16:28 |
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| sridhar_ram | beyond that might be too much to munch... | 16:28 |
| s3wong | bobh_: then my take would be --- continue to study it, but punt on that until the next cycle | 16:28 |
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| sridhar_ram | but we should put Monasca in the plate and discuss so that the framework pieces are baked well | 16:29 |
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| s3wong | bobh_: the framework would therefore only have ICMP and some TCP connectivity check for now | 16:29 |
| bobh_ | s3wong: I agree - we'll move forward with the minor enhancements and come up with a plan for integrating Monasca | 16:29 |
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| sridhar_ram | aruncewind_: that's good information.. | 16:29 |
| tsalagi | agree - minor enhancements, watch community.. | 16:30 |
| aruncewind_ | agree with sridhar_ram, if OpenStack is grativating towards Monasca for monitoring and Ceilometer for metering, Tacker would have Monasca on it's plate as well for scaling needs | 16:30 |
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| s3wong | bobh_: without knowing much about the detail (or even flimsy knowledge) of Monasca, I think studying it would give us a lot of ideas on monitoring; but let's not try to boil the ocean in one cycle | 16:30 |
| bobh_ | I think we should look for Monasca integration in the Mitaka cycle | 16:30 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: I think we need a spec for health-monitoring framework first | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: are you and prashantD planning to write one ? | 16:31 |
| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: So is that a higher-level spec than what is in the health-monitor.rst spec that is in gerrit? | 16:31 |
| s3wong | bobh_: that would be great, hopefully enough time for us to understand Monasca well | 16:31 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh_: exactly | 16:32 |
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| sridhar_ram | in fact, I do like the current health-mon spec.. particularly the http part | 16:32 |
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| sridhar_ram | we to be it is out of sequence .. | 16:32 |
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| sridhar_ram | *but to me it is out of sequence | 16:32 |
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| sripriya | bobh_: can you share the link for the spec | 16:33 |
| sridhar_ram | in fact you look at existing mgmt_driver framework and bring it to health-mon | 16:33 |
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| bobh_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202126/ | 16:34 |
| sripriya | bobh_: Thanks | 16:34 |
| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: Is that in tacker-specs? | 16:34 |
| sridhar_ram | no, we need to write one | 16:35 |
| sridhar_ram | :) | 16:35 |
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| sridhar_ram | you mean the mgmt_driver ? | 16:35 |
| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: OK, I'll take a look at the design of mgmt_driver and reverse-engineer it | 16:35 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh_: cool, thanks! | 16:36 |
| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: If you know of any framework specs that we could use as a template that would be helpful - I hate reinventing the wheel | 16:36 |
| s3wong | bobh_: well, first step is play around with the code is indeed factoring out the ping code and put it as a driver (and implement the driver interface) | 16:36 |
| s3wong | so I agree with sridhar_ram here that it would be a good one code sprint milestone | 16:36 |
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| bobh_ | s3wong: Assuming I can use the mgmt_driver as a model? | 16:37 |
| s3wong | bobh_: yes | 16:37 |
| bobh_ | s3wong: Great. I'm flying this weekend so now I have something to do.... | 16:37 |
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| s3wong | bobh_: good thing to do on the plane, especially if the flight movies are terrible :-) | 16:38 |
| bobh_ | It's a United 737 - what movies? | 16:38 |
| s3wong | :-) | 16:38 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: not sure if we can find a template to framework specs.. | 16:38 |
| s3wong | short flight then :-) | 16:39 |
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| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: OK, I'll google and see what I can find | 16:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | #action bobh_ to write a tacker-spec for health-monitor framework | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else on health-mon ? | 16:40 |
| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: I'll open a new Blueprint for that too | 16:40 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: sounds good | 16:40 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic VNF boot attributes | 16:41 |
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| sridhar_ram | we had a sync up with TCS grp working on this area on behalf of a tacker user (comcast) | 16:41 |
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| sridhar_ram | one thing that repeatedly came in there is the ability to support "args" in the VNFD template | 16:42 |
| sridhar_ram | this had come up earlier as well | 16:42 |
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| sridhar_ram | we need templating support where many of the attributes are undecided at template definition time and gets as arguments | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | they will be "filled in" during instantiation time | 16:43 |
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| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: The attributes are not defined or the values of the attributes are undefined? | 16:44 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: yeah, just which network we should plug the VM in is already a non-template item | 16:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh_: hmm.. I believe both | 16:44 |
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| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: I can understand the values being unknown, but not knowing what the attributes themselves are sounds odd... | 16:45 |
| tsalagi | Metadata type argument where VNF vendors could supply proprietary values? | 16:45 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: yeah, for example the network to plug a vnic might be decided at instantiation time and it would be different for different tenants | 16:45 |
| bobh_ | How does this different from TOSCA/Heat parameters? | 16:45 |
| s3wong | bobh_: the items requested by Comcast/TCS is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-tacker | 16:45 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: It should indeed be TOSCA params | 16:46 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: that is requirement / gap to be filled | 16:46 |
| s3wong | look for "User Input" -> "Comcast / TCS", and particularly things that have "Response" on them | 16:46 |
| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: So it is the ability to supply an env file when we create the VNF | 16:46 |
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| bobh_ | or supply command line values for parameters like heat stack-create | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | tsalagi: Instance metadata is another ask as well | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: the former .. | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | our commands already take vnf-config.yaml | 16:47 |
| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: I have been wondering how some of my more complicated Heat templates will map into TOSCA templates | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: some of this can be punted to our upcoming integration with heat-translator | 16:48 |
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| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: supplying the parameter values should be pretty straightforward in an ENV file | 16:48 |
| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: ok - I've been interested in looking at that too | 16:48 |
| bobh_ | too many things to do.... | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh_: yes, it should fairly straight forward.. | 16:49 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: yeah, we got to pace ourselve | 16:49 |
| sripriya | the other important thing that came up was to dynamically select the tenant where VNF should be launched | 16:49 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: dynamic vNIC creation doesn't sound like something we can do via env file | 16:49 |
| sripriya | right now, the VNFs get launched in the service tenant | 16:49 |
| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: Agree - it should be possible to map the user's credentials into the VNF deployment | 16:49 |
| sridhar_ram | any new volunteers to help in this vnf-config area ? | 16:50 |
| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: / sripriya | 16:50 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram, bobh_: so the user requirements would require more than supplying an env file, I believe | 16:50 |
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| bobh_ | s3wong: So this is changing the number of Ports defined in the template on the fly? | 16:50 |
| sridhar_ram | this is a slightly gentler area to come and contribute to Tacker !! | 16:50 |
| s3wong | bobh_: yes, I wonder if we can even do that via Heat... | 16:50 |
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| bobh_ | s3wong: Stack update can do it, but that assumes the stack is deployed already | 16:51 |
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| bobh_ | s3wong: This sounds like an update to an existing template which would just mean a new template? | 16:51 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: no, the ask is very simple .. no stack-update | 16:51 |
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| sridhar_ram | which would map to vnf-update and that is not the ask | 16:52 |
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| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: So a vnfd-update? | 16:52 |
| bobh_ | Why not just create a new vnfd? | 16:52 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: I thought they want to dynamically add vNIC to something deployed? or just dynamically add to an existing template that isn't stack-create yet? | 16:52 |
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| sridhar_ram | IMO that is something we should take after integrating w/ heat-translator.. they are already taking a crack at updating a individual resource with a Heat template | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: dynamic vNIC add is not a request.. we clarified that | 16:53 |
| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: It sounds like we need specific scenarios | 16:54 |
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| sridhar_ram | the scenario is very very simple .. pass an env file during vnf-create and have the values fill in some params in the VNFD template | 16:54 |
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| sridhar_ram | time check - 5mins left | 16:55 |
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| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: Ah - that is easy | 16:55 |
| sridhar_ram | easy things first .. that is the motto for L :) | 16:55 |
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| bobh_ | I'll add that to the things to look at on the plane. Might be easy to do | 16:55 |
| sridhar_ram | idea is we chip away the asks with slightlly less effort ! | 16:56 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh_: thanks! | 16:56 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 16:56 |
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| sridhar_ram | there is a thought to do a Tacker mid-cycle in August | 16:57 |
| sridhar_ram | to a face-2-face meeting in Bay Area | 16:57 |
| sridhar_ram | how many of you will be interested ? | 16:57 |
| bobh_ | o/ | 16:57 |
| sripriya | There is an answers forum on the tacker launchpad page where people who want to try tacker post questions | 16:57 |
| sripriya | https://answers.launchpad.net/tacker | 16:58 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: as long as I don't have to fly :-) | 16:58 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: o/ | 16:58 |
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| vishwanathj | +1 | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | cool.. we can give a shout out in the ML as well | 16:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | So far I'm really happy w/ the progress we made .. just look at the DONEs in our etherpad! | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | and the IN-PROGRESS .. | 16:59 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: pretty much all the DONEs were done by sripriya :-) | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | W00t for sripriya! | 17:00 |
| sripriya | s3wong: the todo list is big :-) | 17:00 |
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| sripriya | thanks guys | 17:00 |
| vishwanathj | +1 for sripriya | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | and bobh_ for knocking off whatever it comes his way | 17:00 |
| vishwanathj | +1 | 17:01 |
| sripriya | +1 on that! | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | lets close on that high note! | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | sorry for starting late.. | 17:01 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 16 17:01:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-07-16-16.08.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-07-16-16.08.txt | 17:01 |
| bobh_ | Thanks all | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-07-16-16.08.log.html | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 16 17:01:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 17:01 |
| andreaf | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_July_16th_2015_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ today's agenda | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz, mkoderer, sdague, dtroyer_zz, afazekas: around? | 17:02 |
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| dkranz | o/ | 17:02 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: o/ amazingly enough | 17:03 |
| dtroyer_zz | o/ | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer_zz: you're not asleep? :) | 17:03 |
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| sdague | but I'm at the tire place so might have to leave mid way through meeting | 17:03 |
| dtroyer_zz | I wish I was… znc is confused | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | ok, let's get started | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | sdague: heh, sure np | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | #topic New meeting time poll (mtreinish) | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | so I just wanted to throw a reminder on here that the poll to reschedule the alternate timeslot for this meeting is still open | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | #link http://doodle.com/eykyptgi3ca3r9mk | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | if you have an opinion on when that should be scheduled feel free to vote | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | I'm probably going to close the poll early next week, because next week's meeting will be at the new time | 17:05 |
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| dpaterson | o/ | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | ok is there anything else on this? Otherwsie we can move on | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Review | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone have any open specs reviews to discuss? | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: oh, that non-admin tempest spec is still open. Do we still need a spec/bp for that? | 17:07 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I don't think so. It was basically done, perhaps not exactly in the same way. | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok, cool I'll abandon it then and close the bp | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: unless you wanted to take care of that? | 17:08 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I don't care, but we could mark it as Done rather than abandoned | 17:09 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: not that it matters much | 17:09 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I'll abandon it | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | ok, I'll leave it up to you :) | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | are there any other specs to discuss? Otherwise let's move on | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:11 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any in progress BPs they'd like to discuss? | 17:11 |
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| mtreinish | well I wanted to bring up the tempest cli improvements one and the tempest external plugin bp | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | for the cli improvements work dpaterson and I have been testing the patches up: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/tempest-cli-improvements,n,z | 17:13 |
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| mtreinish | it looks like tempest init works fine, but tempest run still needs a lot of work | 17:13 |
| dpaterson | mtreinish: still a WIP in progress for me. The init had one defect which we discussed but still working with run | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | fwiw, you can still use init with just testr or ostestr and it works fine | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | since run clearly doesn't work yet :) | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/tempest-cli-improvements,n,z | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | dpaterson: oh, right I still need to push a fix for that path bug in tempest init | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: can you leave a -1 vote on the review to remind me | 17:15 |
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| dpaterson | mtreinish: okay | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | thanks | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | the other BP I wanted to bring up was the tempest external plugin interface | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | the base patches for that have landed already and mkoderer has been testing it on the manila side | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | he found a couple of bugs which the fixes have already landed for | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | so at this point the external test loading is working with the plugin interface | 17:17 |
| andreaf | cool! :) | 17:17 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: huge! | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | the next step is to work on the config registration piece: | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/197749 | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | yeah it's exciting | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer is working on getting the manila tests to use it all | 17:17 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/201955 | 17:18 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: is there anything to be done about extra requirements? Are they installed as part of the plugin installation? | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: they'll be handled as part of the plugin installation | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | since for tempest to know about the plugin you need to install it | 17:19 |
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| mtreinish | otherwise the entry point won't be registered | 17:19 |
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| mtreinish | using entry points and stevedore for this actually end up simplifying a lot of problems like that | 17:19 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish nice :) | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | are there any other BPs to discuss? otherwise let's move on | 17:20 |
| andreaf | yes I wanted to mention the ssh-bp | 17:21 |
| andreaf | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/qa-specs/specs/tempest/ssh-auth-strategy.html | 17:21 |
| andreaf | so the implementation of the common bits has made really good progress I think - the last patch just failed the gate :( but hopefully a recheck it's all is needed | 17:22 |
| andreaf | next steps are either try and enable validation in the gate, or make a non-voting job with validation on | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: cool, it'll be nice to see this finishing up soon | 17:23 |
| andreaf | and then start migrating all tests to use the common bits | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: has the deprecation of the old options started? | 17:23 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: yes it has | 17:23 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: where possible | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | ok, because those are still causing confusion for some people | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | it'll be nice to have that all simplified and common | 17:24 |
| andreaf | any preference about the way to go? I tend towards a non-voting job so we can check stability for a while | 17:24 |
| andreaf | before turning validation on in the gate | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: I'm fine with making it non-voting to start I guess | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | we dropped the icehouse jobs recently so we're running a few less jobs then before | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | so adding one doesn't hurt | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | as much... | 17:25 |
| andreaf | ok cool | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | ok, let's move on | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer_zz: so anything exciting for devstack this week? | 17:26 |
| dtroyer_zz | not much from me… | 17:27 |
| dtroyer_zz | we have been working through jamielennox's series of patches to switch everything to Identity v3 | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | ok | 17:27 |
| dtroyer_zz | taking it slowly to adjust as we go | 17:27 |
| dtroyer_zz | also, cdent has the removel of ceilometer to a plugin WIP | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer_zz: that's still partially blocked on getting the grenade side working iirc right? | 17:28 |
| dtroyer_zz | I think that is where he is, yes | 17:29 |
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| mtreinish | ok cool | 17:29 |
| dtroyer_zz | that's it from me… sdague, anything to add? | 17:29 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer_zz: sdague had to drop | 17:29 |
| dtroyer_zz | ok, I missed him leaving | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | he sent me a hangout msg about it :) | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | ok does anyone else have something to discuss on devstack? | 17:30 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 17:31 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone have any updates on grenade? | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | sdague wanted me to mention that we got a successful run of grenade multinode in the gate this morning | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | which is a big step | 17:32 |
| dtroyer_zz | woot! | 17:32 |
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| mtreinish | there are still some bugs, but it's moving along | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | the patch is here: | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199091/ | 17:33 |
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| mtreinish | that's all I had :) | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | is there anything else on grenade? | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | ok, lets move on | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have anything to discuss on bugs this week? | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tempest-bug-report | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | err I guess that link is still from last week | 17:35 |
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| dkranz | andreaf: did you see my email about the failing periodic non-admin jobs? (no bug ticket) | 17:35 |
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| dkranz | andreaf: about how admin_domain_name is needed even for non-admin keystone tests? | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069506.html | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | dkranz, andreaf: ^^^ | 17:36 |
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| dkranz | andreaf: v3 that is. I;d like your input before I push a fix | 17:36 |
| andreaf | dkranz: ok that sounds like a bug | 17:36 |
| dkranz | andreaf: yes, it is described in the email | 17:37 |
| dkranz | andreaf: you even anticipated it :) | 17:37 |
| dkranz | andreaf: you can answer offline in the email | 17:37 |
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| andreaf | dkranz: will do, thanks for bringing it up | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: you also had the triage rotation this week, was there anything that stood out? | 17:38 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: oops | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | hehe, no worries :) | 17:39 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I was so buried coming back I forgot. Will take care of it tomorrow | 17:39 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: there are a bunch of new ones | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | ok | 17:39 |
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| mtreinish | ok, let's move on | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:40 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have a review they'd like to get extra eyes on? | 17:41 |
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| dpaterson | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191978/ | 17:41 |
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| dpaterson | please :) | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: man, I'm terrible I forget about that every week | 17:41 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I gave it a +2 before but was rebased | 17:41 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: The potential controversial thing is that it now only allows cleanup with test accounts | 17:42 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: but it never really worked with tenant isolation and I'm not sure it really can | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well now that we prefix all created resources names it can | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | but that's a separate patch | 17:42 |
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| mtreinish | I definitely think having support for test-accounts is a good thing | 17:43 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: but what it a tenant goes away but leaves stuff behind? | 17:43 |
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| dpaterson | dkranz. mtreinsh: if prefix implementation fixes original isolation issues I can revisit | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well the resources will still be prefixed so if we can find and delete them as admin (which we can't with everything just some) we can | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: it should still be an opt in flag, like --prefix-cleanup | 17:44 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: right, but there are some we can't | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | and then load the prefix value from config | 17:44 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: yes, it can partially work | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: there's nothing we can do about that, short of filing a bug with the project and fixing it there | 17:44 |
| dpaterson | some objects not globally scoped right? So admin cannot see them, only deleted tenents | 17:45 |
| dkranz | dpaterson: right | 17:45 |
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| dpaterson | that will still be an issue. | 17:45 |
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| dkranz | But once test accounts become the norm perhaps isolation will only be used for throw-away cloueds | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: right, but that's also a problem for every user not just tempest | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | there were some ml threads about the issue a while ago, I'm not sure what happened to them though | 17:46 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: yeah, | 17:46 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: we can re-enable isolatoin with prefixes later I think | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: right adding support to the cleanup tool todo prefixed resource deletion is a separate thing | 17:47 |
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| mtreinish | ok, are there any other patches to bring up? | 17:48 |
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| mtreinish | heh, I guess not | 17:49 |
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| mtreinish | let's open the floor then | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | #topic Open Discussion | 17:49 |
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| dpaterson | mid-cycle meetup: any plans for where and when yet? | 17:49 |
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| dpaterson | I'm getting dings from bossmen about projected travel expenses for the year. | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | dpaterson: so I'm looking at 2 options right now either the week of aug 10th or Sept. 10th | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | most likely at hp in ft collins | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | I'm leaning towards the sept. one because it gives us a bit more time for planning and travel approval | 17:51 |
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| dpaterson | mtreinish: +1 for sept, tix will be expensive for aug 10th | 17:51 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Tokyo is only six weeks after that :) | 17:51 |
| dkranz | so 3/4 cycle | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, yeah it's more another end of cycle like what we did in ny :) | 17:52 |
| andreaf | we could meet a few days ealier in Tokyo and do the mid cycle there :D | 17:52 |
| dpaterson | :) | 17:52 |
| andreaf | go to Nikko and code around the temples | 17:52 |
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| dtroyer_zz | mtreinish: I don't recall If I mentioned here yet or not, but I'll be out most of August after back surgery on the 28th of this month… | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: hah, I'm not opposed to doing that, except I'm probably going to be vacationing in Japan after summit | 17:53 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer_zz: oh, well more reason to do sept :) | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | ok, I'll try to plan something for sept and I'll take it to the ML after I have a room reserved and stuff in motion | 17:54 |
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| dtroyer_zz | don't do Sept just because of me…I may not be travle ready by then anyway | 17:54 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer_zz: it's not just you, other people have expressed a preference for sept over aug too | 17:55 |
| dtroyer_zz | ok, good | 17:55 |
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| mtreinish | #action mtreinish to try and organize a midcycle/end-of-cycle for week of sept 10 | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | ok with ~5min left is there anything to discuss? | 17:56 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then let's end here | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 17:57 |
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| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 16 17:57:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-07-16-17.01.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-07-16-17.01.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-07-16-17.01.log.html | 17:57 |
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| daneyon_ | #start container-networking | 18:01 |
| daneyon_ | #start container-networking | 18:01 |
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| s3wong | hello | 18:02 |
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| daneyon_ | hello | 18:02 |
| daneyon_ | doesn't seem like the bot has set the meeting | 18:02 |
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| daneyon_ | #start container-networking | 18:02 |
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| suro-patz | daneyon_ it should be #startmeeting | 18:03 |
| daneyon_ | #startmeeting container-networking | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 16 18:03:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is daneyon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'container_networking' | 18:03 |
| daneyon_ | suro-patz thx | 18:03 |
| s3wong | hello again :-) | 18:03 |
| daneyon_ | #topic roll call | 18:03 |
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| daneyon_ | o/ | 18:04 |
| suro-patz | o/ | 18:04 |
| sicarie | o/ | 18:04 |
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| hongbin | o/ | 18:04 |
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| daneyon_ | thx all for joining | 18:05 |
| daneyon_ | #topic Continue the collaborative brainstorm session in etherpad | 18:05 |
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| daneyon_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-native-docker-network | 18:05 |
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| daneyon_ | I have spent a good amount of time the last few days in the proposed change section | 18:05 |
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| daneyon_ | Lets spend the next 15 min reviewing the Problem description and proposed change sections | 18:06 |
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| daneyon_ | Please review Example 2 in the Problem description section | 18:07 |
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| daneyon_ | please also review the Design Principles, alternatives and data model sections | 18:08 |
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| daneyon_ | I just started on the data model impact | 18:08 |
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| daneyon_ | Those with a longer history with Magnum, I could really use your input on how the proposed changes will effect the data model | 18:09 |
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| eghobo | o/ | 18:10 |
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| suro-patz | the CIDR used in network_backend, is it going to be public or private? | 18:11 |
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| suro-patz | daneyon_ | 18:11 |
| suro-patz | we should provide an option to create a backend_network object/instance | 18:12 |
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| suro-patz | and refer the same during baymodel creation | 18:12 |
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| daneyon_ | suro-patz can u pls elaborate on the object/instance? | 18:13 |
| daneyon_ | it may be better to do so in the ep | 18:13 |
| suro-patz | I meant we could have 'magnum network_backend-create' with various options of KV pairs | 18:14 |
| suro-patz | that way we can use the same backend, if required, to create various baymodels | 18:14 |
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| daneyon_ | suro-patz take a look at where i talk about labels in the proposed changes section | 18:15 |
| Tango|2 | You mean something like a model to represent the backend network, that can be shared/reused? | 18:15 |
| suro-patz | Tango|2 | 18:16 |
| daneyon_ | all, I am still debating whether adding the network_backend or just using labels to pass everything | 18:16 |
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| hongbin | I think network_backend makes sense | 18:17 |
| suro-patz | if we instantiate it becomes clear compartmentalization by individual instance and reference | 18:17 |
| daneyon_ | then labels are used to pass in metadata/config to the backend | 18:17 |
| daneyon_ | labels can be used for other purposes for similar reasons outside of network_backend | 18:17 |
| suro-patz | else to access the the flannel params of a baymodel, baymodel will be the container of all the attributes | 18:18 |
| daneyon_ | it seems like labels are becoming the standard way to pass md to docker daemon/containers/images, k8s, etc.. | 18:18 |
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| hongbin | daneyon_: It is better to design the lable for general purpose | 18:18 |
| daneyon_ | i think so | 18:19 |
| hongbin | For example, it can be used by the whole template, not just network | 18:19 |
| daneyon_ | i wonder if general purpose labels should be a different spec that the network spec depends on???? | 18:19 |
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| hongbin | Maybe a different BP | 18:19 |
| Tango|2 | Sounds like it if we want to generalize | 18:20 |
| daneyon_ | hongbin right. I called that out in the changes section of the ep spec. | 18:20 |
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| daneyon_ | I would like labels to be a top level object that is utilized by the entire magnum system | 18:20 |
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| Tango|2 | So to use labels, the keys would be well defined constant documented somewhere? | 18:21 |
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| daneyon_ | the propsed changes section identifies 6 major changes | 18:22 |
| daneyon_ | pls review 1-6 and let me know what you think | 18:22 |
| daneyon_ | am i missing somehting? | 18:22 |
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| suro-patz | To me the modeling looks very similar the way we have it for —coe kubernetes' | 18:22 |
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| daneyon_ | I will pull out labels, create a seperate bp and have the net spec refer to the labels bp as a dependency | 18:23 |
| hongbin | sounds good | 18:23 |
| hongbin | Another question, are we going to have another network_backend called neutron, or not? | 18:24 |
| daneyon_ | without labels, we could support multiple network backends but just not be able to configure the backens until labels is implemented | 18:24 |
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| daneyon_ | hongbin at this point I am unsure. | 18:25 |
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| hongbin | daneyon_: K. It may need a bit research to figure it out | 18:25 |
| daneyon_ | i see container networking and openstack networking as 2 entities and I am still trying to identify the integration point | 18:25 |
| SourabhP | hongbin: what does network_backend called neutron represent? An integration point? | 18:25 |
| daneyon_ | their is 1 example that i have been thinking of that points to neutron integration | 18:26 |
| daneyon_ | vlans | 18:26 |
| SourabhP | daneyon_: there’s a neutron networking sub-project called Kuryr that’s been proposed for integration | 18:26 |
| daneyon_ | their is a neutron bp to implement vm-aware vlan's | 18:26 |
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| daneyon_ | if we want to map these vm vlan's to containers to extend the vlan-based isolation into the container, then we will need the container network to intgrate with the neutron network | 18:27 |
| SourabhP | https://github.com/celebdor/neutron-docker-plugin | 18:27 |
| daneyon_ | however, I don;t see vlan-based isolation being that important | 18:27 |
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| daneyon_ | because of vxlan annd other prefered overlays/isolation mechanisms | 18:27 |
| daneyon_ | SourabhP thx for sharing | 18:28 |
| daneyon_ | #link https://github.com/celebdor/neutron-docker-plugin | 18:28 |
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| daneyon_ | SourabhP can u pls add it to the ep with a brief description? | 18:29 |
| daneyon_ | SourabhP i'll spend time diving in after the meeting, OK? | 18:29 |
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| SourabhP | daneyon_: yes, will do. The relevant discussion happened on the openstack-dev ML. | 18:30 |
| daneyon_ | SourabhP do you want to take a few min and discuss the project? | 18:30 |
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| daneyon_ | SourabhP it would be helpful to add a pointer to the ML discussion in the ep too | 18:30 |
| SourabhP | daneyon_: I haven’t yet studied it in much detail yet. I will add the relevant links. | 18:31 |
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| daneyon_ | OK, thx | 18:31 |
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| daneyon_ | #action everyone on the subteam to review the neutron-docker-plugin project | 18:32 |
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| s3wong | seems to only have document but no code | 18:33 |
| daneyon_ | I could really use some help from someone to understand the Data model impact from network_backend | 18:33 |
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| daneyon_ | yup | 18:33 |
| daneyon_ | I believe Antoni has been on the magnum irc channel | 18:34 |
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| daneyon_ | this is the home stretch to submit the spec | 18:35 |
| daneyon_ | I will be spending most of my time to complete the initial draft and submit it. | 18:35 |
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| hongbin | The data model makes sense to me. | 18:35 |
| daneyon_ | #action danehans to submit draft network spec on July 22, 2015 | 18:36 |
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| hongbin | Just one point, we don't have to use different heat template for different network backends | 18:36 |
| daneyon_ | hongbin should i elaborate on anything? | 18:36 |
| hongbin | We may use a single heat template for all network backend. | 18:37 |
| daneyon_ | pls look at line 250, where SourabhP discussed registering network_backends | 18:37 |
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| daneyon_ | again, this could be a seperate bp, as I could see the need for magnum to have an overall plugin registration/mgt process | 18:38 |
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| daneyon_ | making networking in M pluggable is going to have an impact on the heat templates | 18:39 |
| daneyon_ | for example> flannel can not longer be embedded | 18:40 |
| daneyon_ | no | 18:40 |
| hongbin | Actually I am thinking of the integration point | 18:40 |
| daneyon_ | i see cloud-config is being used to explicitly setup flannel and flannel is embedded in the TL k8s yml's | 18:41 |
| hongbin | An option is a Heat resource to abstract out different network backends | 18:41 |
| daneyon_ | does anyone see any issues with making networking pluggable within the heat templates? | 18:41 |
| suro-patz | daneyon_ +1 | 18:41 |
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| Tango|2 | +1 | 18:42 |
| hongbin | This could avoiding splitting templates for different backend | 18:42 |
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| daneyon_ | hongbin that is what i'm thinking too | 18:42 |
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| Tango|2 | It will probably take some experimenting to arrive at a good template design | 18:43 |
| daneyon_ | all, pls add your ideas to 5 in proposed changes section | 18:43 |
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| daneyon_ | Tango|2 agreed | 18:43 |
| daneyon_ | I think the best 1st step is removing flannel from the core k8s templates | 18:44 |
| daneyon_ | this is similar to what Docker did with libnetwork | 18:44 |
| daneyon_ | provide the same functionality, but in a seperate library | 18:44 |
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| Tango|2 | Yep, that would be a good exercise to see how to refactor further | 18:44 |
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| daneyon_ | I would like to take a quick vote then | 18:46 |
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| daneyon_ | on seperating flannel from core templates as one of the 1st steps | 18:46 |
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| daneyon_ | from the spec for #5 | 18:47 |
| Tango|2 | So does this imply having an option that's not flannel? | 18:47 |
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| Tango|2 | or just refactoring? | 18:48 |
| daneyon_ | yes.. this is what the magnum networking model is all about | 18:48 |
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| daneyon_ | magnum should have the ability to support various container networking tools and techniques | 18:48 |
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| daneyon_ | this is the batteries included but replaceable. | 18:49 |
| suro-patz | btw, kubernetes can do multihost networking with flannel, of its own, by allocating individual subnet on each host, and adding route for other subnets | 18:49 |
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| daneyon_ | although flannel will be pulled from core k8s templaates, it will continue to be the default | 18:49 |
| sicarie | +1 for me then - sensible default that's able to be swapped out | 18:50 |
| suro-patz | daneyon_: do we have a need to keep flannel as default? As kube can do by itself | 18:50 |
| daneyon_ | so if a user creates a new baymodel, specifies the coe=kubernetes and does not specify a network_backend, flannel will be chosen | 18:50 |
| daneyon_ | make sense? | 18:50 |
| SourabhP | +1 | 18:50 |
| daneyon_ | suro-patz pls see above | 18:50 |
| Tango|2 | +1 | 18:50 |
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| daneyon_ | hongbin does the above make sense to you too? | 18:51 |
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| suro-patz | I agree to refactor and make flannel optional, but I am saying it need not be default | 18:51 |
| hongbin | daneyon_: Yes, definite | 18:51 |
| Tango|2 | Do we know if anyone has tried a different overlay network with Kubernetes? | 18:52 |
| daneyon_ | OK, I think we are in agreement. | 18:52 |
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| daneyon_ | Does anyone -1 this approach? | 18:52 |
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| daneyon_ | pls speak up if so. | 18:52 |
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| daneyon_ | Otherwise, feel free to add to the spec sections in the etherpad | 18:52 |
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| daneyon_ | hongbin and all what do you think about having to register plugins? | 18:53 |
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| daneyon_ | If so, I think it may make sense to have as a seperate bp | 18:53 |
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| hongbin | daneyon_: don't follow sorry | 18:54 |
| daneyon_ | I could see the network plugin framework be adopted as a larger effort across magnum and other plugins for storage, etc.. would follow the same registration process | 18:54 |
| sicarie | +1 to separate bp - it sounds like there's other stuff going on there that may need to be aligned with other efforts | 18:54 |
| daneyon_ | hongbin look at line 250 of the ep | 18:55 |
| s3wong | sure, let's punt that to another spec (and when Magnum has a more generic framework) | 18:55 |
| daneyon_ | i think registering plugins make sense, i just think it should be a seperate bp bc it has a wider impact than just the network spec | 18:55 |
| Tango|2 | We should bring this up for discussion on the ML | 18:56 |
| daneyon_ | will do | 18:56 |
| daneyon_ | SourabhP do you want to start the plugin registration ML thread or would you like me to? | 18:56 |
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| SourabhP | daneyon_: pls go ahead | 18:57 |
| daneyon_ | #action danehans to start a ML discussion related to plugin registration and an overall plugin framework | 18:57 |
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| daneyon_ | we are winding down the meeting | 18:57 |
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| daneyon_ | i really appreciate everyone's participation | 18:57 |
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| sicarie | almost unrelated news: http://googlecloudplatform.blogspot.tw/2015/07/Containers-Private-Cloud-Google-Sponsors-OpenStack-Foundation.html | 18:58 |
| Tango|2 | Do we need another meeting to finalize ? | 18:58 |
| daneyon_ | +1 or -1 to meet at the same bat time on the same bat channel next week? | 18:58 |
| daneyon_ | +1 | 18:59 |
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| sicarie | +1 | 18:59 |
| hongbin | +1 | 18:59 |
| SourabhP | +1 | 18:59 |
| dane_leblanc | +1 | 18:59 |
| Tango|2 | +1 | 18:59 |
| s3wong | +1 | 18:59 |
| daneyon_ | will do | 18:59 |
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| daneyon_ | lets keep in touch on the magnum irc channel | 18:59 |
| daneyon_ | thank you for your time! | 18:59 |
| daneyon_ | and see you all back here next week | 19:00 |
| daneyon_ | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 16 19:00:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-07-16-18.03.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-07-16-18.03.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-07-16-18.03.log.html | 19:00 |
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| dtroyer_zz | #startmeeting OpenStackClient | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 16 19:01:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer_zz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:01 |
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| dtroyer_zz | Who is here today? | 19:01 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: half here | 19:01 |
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| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:01 |
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| dtroyer_zz | stevemar: I hope it is the pretty half | 19:01 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: bknudson is around too, and pushing patches | 19:01 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 19:02 |
| bknudson | hi | 19:02 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ping: lhcheng, sigmavirus24 | 19:02 |
| bknudson | keystone meetup! | 19:02 |
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| dtroyer_zz | Oh! Say hi to the gang! | 19:02 |
| bknudson | conversation here is uninteresting | 19:02 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: nice | 19:03 |
| stevemar | bknudson: yeah, little bit | 19:03 |
| dtroyer_zz | #topic reviews | 19:03 |
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| dtroyer_zz | I suppose the starting point might be WTF is going on? I haven't had a chance yet to dig into the test failures, has anyone else? | 19:03 |
| terrylhowe | no | 19:04 |
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| bknudson | I tried to use devstack to install and it didn't work. | 19:04 |
| * sigmavirus24 didn't know there was a failure =P | 19:04 | |
| bknudson | I think due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1475127 | 19:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1475127 in python-openstackclient "Cannot manipulate group member by ID" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Martinelli (stevemar) | 19:04 |
| stevemar | yeah, the recent devstack patches to use keystone v3 only kinda murked things up | 19:05 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: i brought this up yesterday and you thought i was crazy! | 19:06 |
| dtroyer_zz | that's what I was wondering. did it to this across the board? | 19:06 |
| dtroyer_zz | is this what you were asking? I couldn't duplicate it here | 19:06 |
| stevemar | you'll only hit it if its osc master + devstack master | 19:06 |
| bknudson | it's passing domain_id=None to groups.get(), but that function only takes a group parameter | 19:06 |
| stevemar | so CI is fine | 19:06 |
| stevemar | (well, not _our_ CI) | 19:07 |
| dtroyer_zz | oh, right | 19:07 |
| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-keystoneclient/tree/keystoneclient/v3/groups.py#n81 | 19:07 |
| dtroyer_zz | then I suppose that's the priority for this afternoon… | 19:07 |
| bknudson | that's the groups.get() call | 19:07 |
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| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-openstackclient/tree/openstackclient/common/utils.py#n29 | 19:08 |
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| dtroyer_zz | so the dueling reviews, face-off in 10 minutes? ;) | 19:08 |
| bknudson | there's find_resource, which would call manager.get(name_or_id, **kwargs) | 19:08 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: basically, the find_resource call (or the refactoring we did a while ago, find_group_resource) changed the way .get() and .find() are called with UUIDs | 19:08 |
| bknudson | so if kwargs has domain_id=None, it calls get('uuid-jdsfkdsa', domain_id=None) | 19:09 |
| stevemar | it ended up doing this: GET /v3/users?name=f84f7276f2ae4e068869d9e5afd433ed | 19:09 |
| stevemar | which is silly pants | 19:09 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: both fix it, just at different layers | 19:09 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: you can decide which fix you like better :P | 19:09 |
| bknudson | find_resource is considering any exception from manager.get(name_or_id, **kwargs) to mean "resource not found" | 19:10 |
| dtroyer_zz | ok, at a glance I don't know yet…will dig in after the meeting | 19:10 |
| bknudson | which hides the actual error | 19:10 |
| dtroyer_zz | that sounds bad, bknudson is in the lead now ;) | 19:10 |
| bknudson | the actual error was that .get() was called with an invalid parameter | 19:10 |
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| stevemar | yep | 19:10 |
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| bknudson | I didn't try to fix that | 19:10 |
| stevemar | bknudson: slacker | 19:10 |
| dtroyer_zz | so then I still have to actually read both reviews? | 19:11 |
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| dtroyer_zz | what other reviews need attention here? | 19:11 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: it'll be cool, i already approved mine, to get the gate unstuck (and i did this early in the morning) | 19:11 |
| bknudson | it's interesting that the manager.get(int(name_or_id), **kwargs) case has special exception handler but manager.get(name_or_id, **kwargs) just skips | 19:11 |
| stevemar | bknudson: you're more than welcome to fix it :D | 19:12 |
| bknudson | maybe the exception handlers should be the same. I'll propose a patch! | 19:12 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: so, a cool review that was recently merged | 19:12 |
| topol | bknudson, sounds like an easy one to review! add me as a reviewer!!! | 19:13 |
| stevemar | thanks to shaleh: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201258/ | 19:13 |
| stevemar | now --help | -h works | 19:13 |
| shaleh | I like good UX :-) | 19:13 |
| shaleh | I have some more ideas to propose once I get 'image create' working properly | 19:13 |
| dtroyer_zz | yes! thanks shaleh. and it was a cliff fix | 19:13 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: logistically, i kept the bug attached to OSC too, so we remember to release a new cliff before we release OSC | 19:14 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: another recent cliff change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202053/ | 19:14 |
| stevemar | moar UX! | 19:14 |
| shaleh | I was actually thinking of writing that patch when I saw the review land | 19:15 |
| stevemar | if you type $ openstack user foo | 19:15 |
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| topol | stevemar Need moar UX!!! keep going!!! | 19:15 |
| stevemar | it'll spit out other `openstack user` commands instead of non-sense | 19:15 |
| dtroyer_zz | ah, that's where that came from! I saw it when testing the help bit | 19:15 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: terrylhowe and i were waiting for you and/or dhellmann to be cool with it | 19:16 |
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| dtroyer_zz | I didn't realize it was sitting there… conceptually I am, will look after the other thing | 19:16 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: it landed yesterday? | 19:16 |
| terrylhowe | both nice fixes | 19:17 |
| stevemar | err.. arrived | 19:17 |
| dtroyer_zz | my queue polling has been dropping packets lately | 19:17 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: nah, it showed yo 24 hrs ago :P | 19:17 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: I'll be looking at it later today | 19:17 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: ty sir! you're a gentleman and a scholar | 19:18 |
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| dtroyer_zz | so in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198506/ Roxana makes a point about starting with interface and changing to endpoint-type (I may have prompted that). evidently only Identity uses 'interface'. Do we still want to make that change? I'm waffling now… | 19:18 |
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| stevemar | i thought i approved that | 19:19 |
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| dtroyer_zz | no +A yet | 19:19 |
| stevemar | i like interface since it makes jamie happy :P | 19:19 |
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| stevemar | and staying consistent with KSC is good | 19:19 |
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| shaleh | Roxana just wants her patch to land and be done :-) | 19:19 |
| dtroyer_zz | we have been giving Jamie plenty of grief ;) | 19:19 |
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| dtroyer_zz | terrylhowe: does the SDK have a single usage internally for this? | 19:20 |
| terrylhowe | I have a change in occ for that | 19:20 |
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| stevemar | shaleh: i already apologized to roxana in person at keystone mid cycle! | 19:20 |
| shaleh | stevemar: :-) | 19:20 |
| terrylhowe | the sdk should probably go to interface. It is using endpoint_type now. i think I made a bug for it already. | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer_zz | it's me too, I've basically had a mental cache flush (and will again in a few weeks) | 19:21 |
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| dtroyer_zz | terrylhowe: ok, if you are confident that is going to happen, we need to be consistent there for sure | 19:21 |
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| stevemar | empty caches are good sometimes | 19:21 |
| terrylhowe | yeh endpoint_type->interface will happen in sdk | 19:21 |
| dtroyer_zz | ok, then I'm back on-board with it here too | 19:22 |
| terrylhowe | in occ Monty just asked for a minor change in the backward compat | 19:22 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: aside from those, theres a whole whack of functional tests being added by some dude | 19:22 |
| stevemar | i tried to keep up, but he's cranking them out | 19:22 |
| terrylhowe | same here stevemar | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer_zz | how do they look? consistent with the way we've been doing them? | 19:23 |
| dtroyer_zz | I havne't looked at them at all yet | 19:23 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: yep, i weighed in heavily on the early ones | 19:23 |
| dtroyer_zz | ok, good | 19:23 |
| stevemar | but all subsequent ones are looking good | 19:23 |
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| stevemar | he's also going around adding --project-domain | --user-domain | --group-domain to the few spots we missed | 19:24 |
| dtroyer_zz | cool | 19:25 |
| dtroyer_zz | any other reviews for attention? | 19:25 |
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| stevemar | a few image related ones are up, haven't reviewed them yet | 19:25 |
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| dtroyer_zz | not counting network, and after volume v2, image v2 needed the most love… | 19:26 |
| dtroyer_zz | #topic bugs | 19:27 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: volume v2 is pretty awesome now btw | 19:27 |
| stevemar | abhide did great work there | 19:28 |
| dtroyer_zz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1472909 looks interesting… is this a case of OSC not doing the name -> ID translation properly? | 19:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1472909 in python-openstackclient ""role assignment list" fails if two users in different domains have the same name" [Undecided,New] | 19:28 |
| stevemar | image v2 has a few patches now | 19:28 |
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| terrylhowe | I’ll be back on network once this next sdk release goes out (this week soemtime) | 19:28 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: oh maybe | 19:28 |
| stevemar | might have been... | 19:28 |
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| stevemar | err, 'might be' | 19:28 |
| dtroyer_zz | that's the only reason I can think of why it might not be a server-side problem… | 19:29 |
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| dtroyer_zz | I'm not sure how to corss domains from the API intentionally | 19:29 |
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| dtroyer_zz | it looks like there are a couple of bugs connected to o-c-c | 19:31 |
| dtroyer_zz | whoever mentioned doing a release there soon is right... | 19:31 |
| stevemar | yep! | 19:32 |
| * dtroyer_zz too lazy to scroll back | 19:32 | |
| stevemar | we should do one soonish | 19:32 |
| dtroyer_zz | any other bugs? | 19:32 |
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| stevemar | once the gate is fixed, and we push a few bug fixes | 19:32 |
| dtroyer_zz | #topic open discussion | 19:33 |
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| dtroyer_zz | so, speaking of releases… | 19:33 |
| dtroyer_zz | a) occ gets one soon, then… | 19:33 |
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| dtroyer_zz | b) osc gets one following | 19:34 |
| dhellmann | cliff should get one when we land that second ux patch | 19:34 |
| stevemar | err not quite | 19:34 |
| stevemar | cliff gets one too | 19:34 |
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| stevemar | dhellmann: knows whats good | 19:34 |
| dtroyer_zz | I think it would be goood to get the image work finished now before doing another release | 19:34 |
| dtroyer_zz | re cliff: agreed | 19:35 |
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| dtroyer_zz | and we have a new process for doing the releases. dhellmann, would it be helpful if we do depends-on in those reviews to set order? | 19:36 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: i think we can say we have volume v2 support now: https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/setup.cfg#L378-L405 | 19:36 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer_zz: some of the repos from the team aren't being managed, so we should talk about that, too | 19:36 |
| dhellmann | does the order matter? | 19:37 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: hmm? which repos? | 19:37 |
| dtroyer_zz | hmmm…. I saw cliff in there, so occ? | 19:37 |
| dhellmann | yeah, occ is release:independent | 19:37 |
| dtroyer_zz | order only in that cliff and occ need to come before osc | 19:37 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer_zz: ok, you could just submit them as a series of patches | 19:37 |
| dtroyer_zz | ah, right, that would be easier to follow | 19:38 |
| dhellmann | yeah, depends-on is only needed for cross-repo things | 19:38 |
| stevemar | oh more open discussion | 19:38 |
| dhellmann | and it's possible we'll disallow those for releases, to avoid having people try to ask for a release of something that hasn't merged | 19:38 |
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| stevemar | abhide asked me if i had a bp he could work on | 19:38 |
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| stevemar | i told him to do this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+spec/global-limits | 19:38 |
| shaleh | ooo fun | 19:39 |
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| dtroyer_zz | shaleh: looking through the BP's, there is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+spec/image-member that applies to the image stuff you are working on…go ahead and reference that and we can close it when the image create is finished | 19:40 |
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| terrylhowe | should that bp have —marker? | 19:40 |
| shaleh | dtroyer_zz: shall do | 19:40 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: i was going to say, i plan on marking some BPs are obsolete, ceilometer/heat/trove/sahara/magnum/manila plugin bps | 19:40 |
| dtroyer_zz | err, image member or whatever it is called | 19:40 |
| dtroyer_zz | stevemar: go for it | 19:41 |
| stevemar | ty | 19:41 |
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| dtroyer_zz | any other things to discuss? | 19:42 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: there we go, we lost some weight there: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient | 19:43 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: i'm in a `go-through-bps` mood | 19:43 |
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| shaleh | dtroyer_zz: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+spec/api-list | 19:44 |
| shaleh | dtroyer_zz: want help on that? | 19:44 |
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| dtroyer_zz | shaleh: I did that three times already and none of them really worked right due to the wide variances of server response. | 19:45 |
| dtroyer_zz | OSC has a hack in it for mis-configured keystone but the rest are still sitting in a branch somewhere | 19:45 |
| stevemar | oh oh, before i forget... | 19:46 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: really need your input on this one | 19:46 |
| dtroyer_zz | I think the ideal solution is to generalize it into the SDK | 19:46 |
| dtroyer_zz | and handle the project-specific hacks there | 19:46 |
| stevemar | we are nuking the keystone CLI very soon, when we release keystoneclient 2.0 | 19:46 |
| dtroyer_zz | \o/ | 19:46 |
| stevemar | bknudson had some remarks about morgans work: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196297/3 | 19:46 |
| stevemar | if you could check PS3, and brants comments... that would be great | 19:47 |
| dtroyer_zz | I left a comment there this morning | 19:47 |
| stevemar | i think brant it crazy, but that's not unusual | 19:47 |
| dtroyer_zz | on the specific one you posted… | 19:47 |
| dtroyer_zz | in general, OSC has tried to avoid using the oslo-config based arg handling, so I'm of the opinion that removing that should hurt us. it might affect others... | 19:48 |
| dtroyer_zz | er, shouldn't hurt us | 19:48 |
| stevemar | should or shoudln't | 19:48 |
| stevemar | ok cool | 19:48 |
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| dtroyer_zz | do you have plans to set any version caps anywhere before 2.0 is released? | 19:49 |
| dtroyer_zz | or find the breakage then? | 19:49 |
| stevemar | not sure, gotta ask morgan | 19:50 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ok sports fans, anything else today? | 19:51 |
| terrylhowe | nada | 19:51 |
| terrylhowe | just a whole bunch of patches to push through | 19:52 |
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| stevemar | terrylhowe: yeah | 19:52 |
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| stevemar | once we get our open patch queue to something reasonable we should push for a release | 19:53 |
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| terrylhowe | all these gate problems have made things tough | 19:53 |
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| stevemar | terrylhowe: yeah, at least we have fixes in place now | 19:53 |
| dtroyer_zz | yes. I may not have time to do that next week, but with the current processes that is basically pulling together release notes in the docs | 19:53 |
| terrylhowe | yep | 19:53 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: that's all i got | 19:54 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: wrap it up! | 19:54 |
| dtroyer_zz | ok, we'll call it a day then | 19:54 |
| dtroyer_zz | #endmeeting | 19:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 16 19:54:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-07-16-19.01.html | 19:54 |
| dtroyer_zz | thanks everyone! | 19:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-07-16-19.01.txt | 19:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-07-16-19.01.log.html | 19:54 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: oh i forgot to mention, this is a great write up: https://dmsimard.com/2015/06/28/openstackclient-is-better-than-i-thought/ | 19:55 |
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| dtroyer_zz | I saw that… and he's contributed fixes | 19:55 |
| stevemar | yup! | 19:55 |
| dtroyer_zz | we're not the best marketing people it seems ;) | 19:55 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: i like this part the best: Shout out to the Openstackclient core reviewers Steve Martinelli and Terry Howe for giving me great feedback to get QoS support merged. I also appreciated that they were rigorous about the implementation and standards. | 19:56 |
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| dtroyer_zz | it just goes to show you, if you piss off enough people you'll eventually find one that understands why | 19:57 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: you running this show? | 21:00 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | nova meeting now? | 21:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | hey, I can if needed | 21:00 |
| sgordon | >,> | 21:00 |
| mriedem | i defer to the PTL | 21:00 |
| tonyb | all hail the PTL :P | 21:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol, I am only half awake, but lets do this thing | 21:01 |
| bauzas | tick tock | 21:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 16 21:01:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:01 |
| jroll | ohai | 21:01 |
| bauzas | o............./ | 21:01 |
| edleafe | o/ | 21:01 |
| gabriel-bezerra | Good evening! | 21:01 |
| xyang2 | hi | 21:01 |
| dansmith | -o- | 21:01 |
| earlephilhower | Howdy | 21:01 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:01 |
| tjones1 | hi | 21:01 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Release status | 21:01 |
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| ctrath | \o | 21:02 |
| tpatil_ | Hi | 21:02 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I send an ML message, but today was non-priority feature proposal freeze | 21:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info today was non-priority feature proposal freeze | 21:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info liberty-2 is july 30th and non-priority feature freeze | 21:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-non-priority-feature-proposal-freeze | 21:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats got all the details, if people are interested in what happened | 21:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 21:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | ^ that describes why we are doing all this process, or it tries to | 21:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | any questions on process stuff? | 21:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #action johnthetubaguy needs to go through nova-specs reviews and make sure people know about the move to the backlog | 21:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, either IRC has netsplit without telling me, or there are now questions, so moving on I guess... | 21:04 |
| bauzas | :) | 21:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 21:04 |
| mriedem | no questions | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | however | 21:04 |
| mriedem | sec | 21:04 |
| mriedem | on backlogs | 21:04 |
| gabriel-bezerra | is that backlog in the links? | 21:05 |
| mriedem | we keep saying to move things that aren't making it to the backlog, | 21:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, yes, backlogs, yes, lets do that | 21:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 21:05 |
| bauzas | gabriel-bezerra: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/backlog/ | 21:05 |
| mriedem | but if you read the docs on the backlog, it's about dumping ideas for people to go work on, not a place to defer things that didn't make n and need to go to n+1 | 21:05 |
| mriedem | we probably need to add something to the docs explaining that if backlog is going to become a deferral limbo place | 21:05 |
| dansmith | yeah, | 21:05 |
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| dansmith | I was not in favor of making it a missed-deadline wasteland | 21:06 |
| mriedem | +1 | 21:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, so I think I want to discuss the plans at the midcycle | 21:06 |
| mriedem | in the past people just move their stuff when they repropose | 21:06 |
| gabriel-bezerra | thanks, bauzas | 21:06 |
| mriedem | alright | 21:06 |
| mriedem | so maybe we should hold off on telling people to start moving specs to backlog until after the meetup? | 21:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I had some ideas, but they are a little crazy | 21:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule#Stop_having_to_submit_a_spec_for_each_release | 21:06 |
| mriedem | oh, runways | 21:07 |
| mriedem | i see | 21:07 |
| mriedem | RIP jogo | 21:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, heading that way at least | 21:07 |
| gabriel-bezerra | so the backlog is a directory in the specs repository? | 21:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | gabriel-bezerra: yes | 21:07 |
| bauzas | gabriel-bezerra: yep | 21:07 |
| gabriel-bezerra | ok | 21:07 |
| mriedem | gabriel-bezerra: yes, it's talked about in the nova-specs readme | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | we can move on, i'll add a thing to the etherpad for the meetup to talk about htis | 21:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | gabriel-bezerra: basically merge in the backlog, rather than a specific release | 21:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, thats cool, lets bring this up at the end if that makes sense | 21:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I should have used the undo, there, my bad | 21:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, bugs | 21:08 |
| gabriel-bezerra | got it | 21:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | anything people want to talk about? | 21:08 |
| bauzas | one criitcal | 21:08 |
| bauzas | probably not critical | 21:09 |
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| bauzas | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1475202 | 21:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1475202 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Snapshot deleting of attached volume fails with remotefs volume drivers" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Dmitry Guryanov (dguryanov) | 21:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, feels like a high is the max there | 21:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: you OK to update the priority and add an educational comment? | 21:09 |
| bauzas | changing the prio unless someone yells | 21:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, anything else | 21:09 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: sure thing | 21:09 |
| bauzas | that's it for bugs - none for the client | 21:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: man of the gate, hows things looking right now, I saw lots of reverts being discussed that fixed a few things, I guess? | 21:10 |
| mriedem | it's fine | 21:10 |
| mriedem | backed up | 21:10 |
| mriedem | but fine | 21:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 21:10 |
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| dansmith | "man of the gate" ... I'll have to remember that | 21:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | heh | 21:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic regular reminders | 21:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so its probably a good time to review low priority specs, give people have been really quite good at getting code up to review | 21:11 |
| bauzas | mriedem: 16 patches in my series, no Jenkins false positives, so yeah it's cool :p | 21:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | but ... | 21:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | please to try and review these things too, ideally ^ | 21:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 21:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I commented on unshelf as added in the agenda | 21:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-liberty-summit-action-items | 21:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | please do work on post summit actions^ | 21:12 |
| tpatil_ | johnthetubaguy: Yes, we will move the specs to backlog | 21:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-midcycle | 21:13 |
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| tpatil_ | We have simplified specs by removing complex deployments strategies (host aggregate groups) and also addressed all comments received from Alaski and Matt in PS 15 | 21:13 |
| tpatil_ | After moving specs to the backlog, request everyone to please review the specs. | 21:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | tpatil_: thanks, hopefully we can get a way forward agreed really soon | 21:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | tpatil_: yeah, it feels like we are getting closer now | 21:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-midcycle | 21:13 |
| tpatil_ | johnthetubaguy: Thanks, looking forward to it. | 21:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | so ideas for next week, feel free to add them ^ | 21:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 21:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I don't see any stuck reviews | 21:14 |
| bauzas | saw a google hangout link, thanks ! | 21:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so straight to open | 21:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yeah, it might not work, but we can try a few things | 21:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we have agenda stuff... | 21:14 |
| gabriel-bezerra | I have a stuck review, but mriedem advised me to put it in Open Discussion | 21:14 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: sure thing | 21:14 |
| gabriel-bezerra | it's the first topic there | 21:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so yeah, we have: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/pass-down-instance-name-to-ironic-driver | 21:15 |
| gabriel-bezerra | That one | 21:15 |
| gabriel-bezerra | the code is ready, just 7 lines | 21:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | now, the problem here, is the blueprint freeze was at the end of June | 21:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and the exception process ended last week | 21:15 |
| mriedem | mikal said in the spec that it probably doesn't need a spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189850/ | 21:15 |
| mriedem | so i think that's why it's 'stuck' | 21:16 |
| gabriel-bezerra | it just adds the instance/display_name to the message nova sends to ironic | 21:16 |
| mriedem | got caught in process limbo | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh dear, I see | 21:16 |
| mriedem | seems trivial enough to not require a spec | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 21:16 |
| mriedem | we have a couple of these | 21:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | gabriel-bezerra: do you have you code up for review now? | 21:16 |
| gabriel-bezerra | yes, it is in the second link | 21:16 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190675/ | 21:16 |
| mriedem | ^ is the code | 21:16 |
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| jroll | gabriel-bezerra: so the idea is to pass instance display_name to ironic node.instance_info? | 21:16 |
| jroll | aha | 21:16 |
| gabriel-bezerra | yes, jroll | 21:17 |
| dansmith | I violently disagree with this code | 21:17 |
| gabriel-bezerra | so we can improve the UX of the driver | 21:17 |
| jroll | ..... that code needs a spec? | 21:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: in a block the blueprint kind of way? | 21:17 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: no in a completely sarcastic way | 21:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: :) | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | so i move to trivially approve the bp | 21:17 |
| mriedem | drop the spec | 21:17 |
| mriedem | merge the code | 21:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep | 21:17 |
| gabriel-bezerra | :) | 21:18 |
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| jroll | mriedem: +1 | 21:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | gabriel-bezerra: so to make this happen next time, basically just add the blueprint to the nova-meeting, attempting to document and streamline all this, we had a few fall between the gaps | 21:18 |
| bauzas | oh, sooooo many co-authors :) | 21:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, so we have a few specs that are bug fixes | 21:19 |
| dansmith | yeah, how is that possible? | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | they need a reveiw | 21:19 |
| dansmith | that's more than one author per line I think | 21:19 |
| edleafe | bauzas: they each wrote one character | 21:19 |
| mriedem | must be an edu thing | 21:19 |
| tonyb | bauzas: Yeah one line each? | 21:19 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: I'm shocked this even requires a blueprint | 21:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jroll: its only for tracking | 21:19 |
| gabriel-bezerra | johnthetubaguy: sure. thanks. | 21:19 |
| jroll | ok | 21:19 |
| mriedem | moving on? | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: so we can tell users we added a feature | 21:19 |
| bauzas | tokyo is close, I guess | 21:19 |
| gabriel-bezerra | yes, we are a university | 21:19 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: heard | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198622 | 21:19 |
| gabriel-bezerra | ufcg.edu.br | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198184/ | 21:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think those ones are API changes | 21:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but are bug fixes that spiralled, so some eyes on those would be good, I should take a look too | 21:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a review request on the agenda too | 21:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | look there if you fancy | 21:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, so the next one is some brick stuff | 21:20 |
| mriedem | yeah, so this is another case of process limbo, | 21:21 |
| mriedem | when those were proposed we weren't sure if they would be os-brick or old style volume drivers, | 21:21 |
| mriedem | so that held them up even though the code was up, | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | now hemna's os-brick change has a +2 and should get in, | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, they feel like tiny things we can just document the blueprints for | 21:21 |
| mriedem | and the hgst and scaelio changes are on top of htat | 21:21 |
| mriedem | right | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I hoped to do the brick review today, but it didn't happen | 21:21 |
| hemna | mriedem, thanks for all the help on that | 21:22 |
| mriedem | so, another case where i don't think we should block those | 21:22 |
| mriedem | the nova code is just a shim layer that talks to brick | 21:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, seems reasonable | 21:22 |
| mriedem | we should actually probably add these kinds of things to the spec template or readme about what doesn't need a spec | 21:22 |
| mriedem | which i could do | 21:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can do those kinds of blueprints on IRC I think, rather than wait for the meeting, if that works better | 21:23 |
| mriedem | sure | 21:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, we lots some of the good examples in the doc clean up, these would be good adds | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | just airing it out here | 21:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, good idea | 21:23 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to add volume driver examples about what doesn't need a spec | 21:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | the spec vs blueprint guidelines are very poor right, now, I think we are better practiced now, so we can document that | 21:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: awesome, thank you | 21:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | so.. now its open open discussion | 21:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 21:24 |
| earlephilhower | Just checking, for those 2 BPs | 21:24 |
| earlephilhower | do the authors need to do anything (Xyang and I)? | 21:24 |
| mriedem | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/emc-sdc-libvirt-volume-driver | 21:24 |
| mriedem | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/emc-sdc-libvirt-volume-driver | 21:24 |
| mriedem | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/add-os-brick-volume-driver-hgst-solutions | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, I think we can just approve those, as trivial things | 21:25 |
| mriedem | sounds like abandon the specs and approve the bps | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | mostly because they are already up for review, and agreed | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 21:25 |
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| earlephilhower | Cool, thanks. | 21:25 |
| xyang2 | thanks a lot! | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will do the approve and abandon in the morning | 21:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | unless someone beats me to it | 21:25 |
| mriedem | i can do it | 21:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: cool | 21:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, any more for any more? | 21:26 |
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| melwitt | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/service-version-number spec merged and can be approved I noticed | 21:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | melwitt: ah, I missed that, oops, yeah | 21:27 |
| melwitt | it wasn't there before this afternoon, I noticed it when I clicked the link in a patch about it | 21:28 |
| * johnthetubaguy should really automate that... | 21:28 | |
| dansmith | melwitt: the check is in the mail, thanks | 21:28 |
| melwitt | :) | 21:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any more for any more? | 21:29 |
| mriedem | nope | 21:29 |
| mriedem | end it | 21:29 |
| dansmith | +1 | 21:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, so I am busy approving blueprints | 21:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | see some of you on tuesday | 21:29 |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | see some of you on IRC tomorrow | 21:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 21:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 21:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 16 21:30:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-07-16-21.01.html | 21:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-07-16-21.01.txt | 21:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-07-16-21.01.log.html | 21:30 |
| gabriel-bezerra | thanks | 21:30 |
| gabriel-bezerra | o/ | 21:30 |
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