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| gmann | All waiting for QA meeting- I am sorry for forgetting the meeting. I was supposed to chair the meeting but misunderstood the date. i thought its tomorrow | 09:59 |
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| gmann | We will have next QA meetings on time | 09:59 |
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| ildikov | #startmeeting Ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 23 15:00:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
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| prad | o/ | 15:01 |
| prad | is gordc out today? | 15:02 |
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| ildikov | prad: yes | 15:02 |
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| fabiog | hi | 15:02 |
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| ildikov | prad: he asked a few guys to chair the meeting, I volunteered finally :) | 15:02 |
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| prad | cool | 15:04 |
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| ildikov | I asked around on the channel, I will directly ping a few folks, if we will not have more attendees then we just cancel this one | 15:05 |
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| cdent | i'm happy to skip it if nobody shows up | 15:07 |
| ildikov | cdent: we have prad, fabiog and you and me so far | 15:07 |
| janonymous | o/ | 15:07 |
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| ityaptin | hi! | 15:08 |
| jasonamyers | o/ | 15:08 |
| ildikov | cdent: I'm not against skipping the today's one, if no one has anything to bring up | 15:08 |
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| jd__ | o/ | 15:09 |
| jasonamyers | I only wanted to share that I pushed up the first part of my bp, and testing will be up next week | 15:09 |
| ildikov | ok, let's run through the topics and then we can close early | 15:10 |
| ildikov | #topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) | 15:10 |
| ildikov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/RoadMa | 15:10 |
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| ildikov | we have now support in the ceilometerclient for Aodh thanks to liusheng | 15:11 |
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| ildikov | is there any other update from anyone regarding to our roadmap? | 15:11 |
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| ildikov | if not, then let's move on | 15:13 |
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| ildikov | #topic recurring: ceilometerclient release? | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recurring: ceilometerclient release? (Meeting topic: Ceilometer)" | 15:13 | |
| ildikov | anything else from anyone regarding to the client, then what I mentioned already? | 15:13 |
| cdent | nothing from me | 15:14 |
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| ildikov | I guess we can wait a bit with releasing as we keep the alarming code in our repo for Liberty, so it's no rush | 15:14 |
| janonymous | I have a small ques relating to py3 compat of ceilometer.. is it fullt compatible | 15:15 |
| janonymous | *fully | 15:15 |
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| ildikov | janonymous: we will get to the open discussion in a minute | 15:15 |
| janonymous | ohkay.. | 15:15 |
| ildikov | janonymous: let's get back to this question there | 15:15 |
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| ildikov | #topic recurring: Gnocchi status | 15:16 |
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| ildikov | cdent: jd__: anything to mention regarding Gnocchi? | 15:16 |
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| cdent | lots of progress in the last week or two on getting it running properly in devstack setups | 15:16 |
| cdent | found some bugs | 15:16 |
| cdent | fix them | 15:16 |
| cdent | found some more | 15:16 |
| cdent | fixed them too | 15:17 |
| cdent | open question on the state of influxdb work | 15:17 |
| ityaptin | Did anybody try influxdb driver? | 15:17 |
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| fabiog | what version of InfluxDB is using? | 15:17 |
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| ityaptin | Now it doesn't support search_value and crossmetric measures | 15:17 |
| ityaptin | inlfuxdb 0.9.1 | 15:18 |
| fabiog | ityaptin: thanks | 15:18 |
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| prad | fyi i packaged up python-influxdb and submitted to fedora | 15:18 |
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| jd__ | sorry got side tracked but what cdent said | 15:18 |
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| ildikov | ityaptin: these two things are not supported by our driver or it's on Influx side? | 15:19 |
| ildikov | prad: cool, thanks for the info | 15:19 |
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| ityaptin | in our driver, I haven't researched possibility to support it yet, but think that is not so hard. | 15:20 |
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| ildikov | ityaptin: ok, cool | 15:20 |
| ildikov | ityaptin: is there anything else you consider as missing items or any issues identified so far? | 15:21 |
| ityaptin | Also, now we don't use metricd for InfluxDb. We only make aggregate queries through raw data. Maybe we can use Continuous Queries for it. | 15:21 |
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| ityaptin | ildikov: We have some issues with GroupBy queries in InfluxDB and don't have information about HA InfluxDB. Unfortunately at last two weeks I had no time to InfluxDB research or benchmarks. | 15:23 |
| ildikov | ityaptin: I see | 15:24 |
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| ildikov | ityaptin: How far is the driver from a viable state? | 15:25 |
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| ildikov | ityaptin: I mean when in functionality and performance it can be considered as a usabale one | 15:25 |
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| ildikov | ityaptin: also does this issue require some eyes from InfluxDB folks? | 15:26 |
| ityaptin | In a first approximation basic functionality looks good, but we need to test it for argumentative answer. | 15:26 |
| ildikov | ityaptin: cool, sounds good | 15:27 |
| ityaptin | yep, I think we can suggest them our thoughts | 15:27 |
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| ildikov | ityaptin: great, let's aim for preparing a list of issues/questions and then we can reach out to them for solution | 15:29 |
| ityaptin | ildikov: ok, good | 15:29 |
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| ildikov | ityaptin: anything else on this topic? | 15:30 |
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| ityaptin | Nothing from my side | 15:31 |
| ildikov | ityaptin: cool, tnx | 15:31 |
| ildikov | anything else on Gnocchi? | 15:31 |
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| ildikov | cdent: ityaptin: jd__: thanks for the update | 15:32 |
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| ildikov | let's move on then | 15:32 |
| ildikov | #topic Open discussion | 15:32 |
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| jd__ | is the influxdb driver mergeable as it is? | 15:33 |
| jd__ | I didn't test it and I remember I said I would | 15:33 |
| * jd__ slaps jd | 15:33 | |
| jd__ | though it's failling devstack right now | 15:33 |
| ityaptin | jd__: Gate tests are still failing :( | 15:33 |
| jd__ | ityaptin: and nobody was able to solve that? | 15:34 |
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| ityaptin | unfortunately, last two weeks I didn't try :( | 15:34 |
| rjaiswal | Request some eyes on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/dynamic-event-pipeline and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1477321 | 15:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1477321 in Ceilometer "Enabling refresh_pipeline_cfg leads to restart of event listener even when sample_pipeline is refreshed" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Rohit Jaiswal (rohit-jaiswal-3) | 15:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1477321 in ceilometer "Enabling refresh_pipeline_cfg leads to restart of event listener even when sample_pipeline is refreshed" [Undecided,New] | 15:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1477321 in ceilometer "Enabling refresh_pipeline_cfg leads to restart of event listener even when sample_pipeline is refreshed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1477321 | 15:35 |
| janonymous | Yeah, open-discussions : I have a small ques relating to py3 compat of ceilometer.. is it fullt compatible ? | 15:36 |
| cdent | janonymous: not yet | 15:36 |
| ityaptin | rjaiswal: I will. And some question - Do anyone plans to make reloadable event/meter definition? | 15:36 |
| cdent | getting closer though | 15:37 |
| janonymous | Hahaa.. okay i'll wait :) ping me then.. | 15:37 |
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| ityaptin | Folks, how often we want to make ceilometerclient release? | 15:38 |
| ildikov | janonymous: you can join and help out in that activity :) | 15:38 |
| rjaiswal | Ityapt | 15:38 |
| ildikov | rjaiswal: the event_pipeline bp would use all the same mechanisms that you introduced already? | 15:39 |
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| rjaiswal | ityaptin: sample pipeline is reloadable, no is for making event pipeline reloadable | 15:39 |
| rjaiswal | ildikov: yes | 15:39 |
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| rjaiswal | Don't have a spec detailed out, but it should use the same mechanisms | 15:40 |
| ildikov | rjaiswal: then I guess we will not necessarily need a spec for it or do you hae that too? | 15:40 |
| rjaiswal | that's a question I had | 15:40 |
| rjaiswal | do we need a spec or a bug raised? | 15:40 |
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| janonymous | ildikov: you are referring to py3.. ryt.. | 15:41 |
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| ildikov | rjaiswal: personally I'm fine with a bug that this dynamic reload is not supported for event_pipeline | 15:42 |
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| ildikov | janonymous: yeap | 15:42 |
| janonymous | ildikov: Cool, wanted to know it's status.. we'll discuss after your discussions.. | 15:43 |
| ildikov | jasonamyers: did you want to talk more about your BP? | 15:43 |
| rjaiswal | ildikov: thanks | 15:43 |
| janonymous | ildikov: my BP ? | 15:43 |
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| ildikov | janonymous: no, unless you don't have one you would like to talk about :) | 15:44 |
| ildikov | rjaiswal: np | 15:45 |
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| jasonamyers | ildikov: really just wanted to share that progress is being made | 15:45 |
| jasonamyers | I have tests left to write, and some performance testing to attempt | 15:45 |
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| jasonamyers | working on this next week | 15:45 |
| ildikov | jasonamyers: cool, sounds good | 15:45 |
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| janonymous | Ohh i got confused : i thought you misspelled me as jasonamyers :P | 15:46 |
| ildikov | rjaiswal: as for the bug, is there anything to discuss or it was more a heads up? | 15:46 |
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| ildikov | janonymous: no, this time I pinged, who I planned :) | 15:47 |
| rjaiswal | ildikov: was hoping it be triaged | 15:47 |
| ityaptin | rjaiswal, ildikov: Sorry for misunderstanding, I told only about event_definitions.yaml. Was anybody willing to make events_definition.yaml reloading? | 15:47 |
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| ildikov | ityaptin: hmm, I'm not sure how much it will be changed on the fly | 15:48 |
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| ildikov | ityaptin: on the other hand maybe it would make sense to have a separate file for custom events to avoid that someone accidentally messing up the ones that are already there for OpenStack services | 15:49 |
| ildikov | rjaiswal: ok, thanks for clarifying | 15:49 |
| ityaptin | ildikov: good idea! :) | 15:50 |
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| ildikov | ityaptin: :) | 15:51 |
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| ildikov | ok, anything else from anyone? | 15:52 |
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| * cdent nopes | 15:52 | |
| ildikov | ok, then let's close, have a nice day/evening for everyone | 15:53 |
| * cdent waves | 15:53 | |
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| ityaptin | ildikov: thanks! | 15:53 |
| ildikov | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 23 15:53:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-07-23-15.00.html | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-07-23-15.00.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-07-23-15.00.log.html | 15:53 |
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| vishwanathj | sridhar_ram1, hi | 16:04 |
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| bobh | o/ | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram1 | o/ | 16:04 |
| sripriya | o/ | 16:04 |
| dgollub | o/ | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram1 | networking issues in IETF .. talk abt irony | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 23 16:05:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | #chairs bobh sripriya | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Announcements | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | Agenda - #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_July_23.2C_2015 | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | Tacker Liberty Mid-cycle being planned for 3rd week of Auguest | 16:07 |
| sridhar_ram | Tentatively Aug 21st | 16:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | please unicast if you've specific preference on the date / time | 16:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | once decided, we can announce in the ML | 16:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | Tacker got presented in the opensource track of IETF #93 that is currently ongoing in Prague | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | this was presented to NFVRG group | 16:09 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: cool! | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/slides/slides-93-nfvrg-25.pdf | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | It was quite well received - at east IMO :) | 16:10 |
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| dgollub | well done! | 16:11 |
| sridhar_ram | We now have communication channel with following key folks: ETSI NFV chair, OpenMANO team and OPNFV !! | 16:11 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: very nice. Thanks for doing it! | 16:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: I was just representing the awesome team we have here | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | hopefully we will have follow-on interactions with many SDOs | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | dgollub: thanks! | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | looks Stephen is not here | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else to announce ? | 16:13 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: did you want to announce tacker installation on ML? | 16:14 |
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| sridhar_ram | Hmm.. I thought I already sent one | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069639.html | 16:15 |
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| sripriya | ok cool. Sorry I missed that. | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: hi | 16:16 |
| s3wong | sorry, late again, traffic has been bad | 16:16 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: hello | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: np | 16:16 |
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| s3wong | I notice there is no topic yet :-) | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | we are in announcements | 16:16 |
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| sridhar_ram | just gave an update on ietf prezo and our mid-cycle meetup plans | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: I need to drop off in another 15mins (doing a demo in ietf here) | 16:17 |
| aruncewind | the IETF presentation came in through internal HP channels as well | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | aruncewind: glad to hear that | 16:17 |
| aruncewind | is it marie-paul odini that you had talked to? | 16:17 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: a Tacker demo? | 16:17 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: no, ODL controller... which might be relevant for Tacker at some point | 16:18 |
| * s3wong wasn't even aware that IETF meetings have demo... | 16:18 | |
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| sridhar_ram | aruncewind: no, that name doesn't ring a bell | 16:18 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: I see... demo on ODL SFC? | 16:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: no, on multipoint vpn | 16:19 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: OK | 16:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | lets move to the next topic, we can have a longer open discussion towards the end | 16:20 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic MANO API update | 16:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: take over | 16:20 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: sure | 16:20 |
| sripriya | the spec tracking the new API is at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204926/4 | 16:20 |
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| sripriya | Quick summary: We will add new extension under v1 itself and there will be no v2. | 16:21 |
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| sripriya | and for now, servicevm endpoint will be retained for backward compatibility | 16:22 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: glad to see specs landing in our tacker-specs repo! | 16:22 |
| s3wong | Oh... OK... | 16:22 |
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| sripriya | eventually we want to move to Pecan framework when move to master similar to other OpenStack projects | 16:22 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: in fact, you and I have a heavy backlog to clear w.r.t. review and merge | 16:22 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: I submitted a separate patchset to the tacker-specs repo to allow it to work with liberty specs, so new specs don't need to make the inde.rst change | 16:23 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: I'm happy to have that problem :) | 16:23 |
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| sripriya | for now, this spec will capture only changes related to adding new entry points and defining them | 16:23 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: thanks | 16:23 |
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| sripriya | as first phase | 16:23 |
| sridhar_ram | will merge that first while the other two iterates | 16:23 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: thx | 16:23 |
| sripriya | there will also be changes done to tacker-client to reflect the new api changes in requests | 16:24 |
| sripriya | for further info, please read through the spec and provide your feedvack/comments, it is still a WIP and it may take few iterations | 16:26 |
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| sripriya | feedback* | 16:26 |
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| sripriya | regarding the doc error, bobh and sridhar_ram: ack | 16:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: thanks for getting the spec so quickly! | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: anything else ? | 16:27 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: if you want to discuss further or have any questions we can discuss here, | 16:28 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: else that is it, | 16:28 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: I think we shd use the gerritt for the initial round | 16:28 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: cool | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | folks please comment on the and if you are fine approve w/ +1s | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | lets move on | 16:29 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: another quick thing before we move on | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | sure | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | * comment on the spec | 16:30 |
| sripriya | the attributes part of the REST api is where I'm specifically looking to discuss in the spec | 16:30 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: make sense, that portion needs a fine comb | 16:31 |
| sripriya | i realize few attributes have been introduced such as service_context and services which do not get used | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Health monitor update | 16:31 |
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| sripriya | so we can discuss further on gerrit regarding same | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: sounds good | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: take it away | 16:31 |
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| bobh | Knowing nothing about the driver architecture I looked at the existing mgmt_driver and infra drivers to see how they work | 16:32 |
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| bobh | I think we can copy the existing architecture/design of the mgmt_drivers to use for monitoring, obviously implementing different drivers, fo rping, etc | 16:33 |
| bobh | for ping | 16:33 |
| bobh | I updated the spec to reflect these changes, so please look it over and provide feedback | 16:33 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: that's a sound approach | 16:33 |
| s3wong | bobh: sounds good | 16:34 |
| bobh | I'm not entirely sure how the new monitoring driver module will be plumbed into the server, so if anyone has specifics on that it would be helpful | 16:34 |
| prashantD | bobh : spec I read looks good, few things | 16:34 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: one overall comment .. I think we should split that spec into one for framework change and another for new monitoring types | 16:34 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: ok - no problem | 16:34 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: I was going to do that and then laziness took over... | 16:34 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: thanks, np... | 16:35 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: from the PSs and commits coming from you - what laziness are you talking abt ;-) | 16:35 |
| bobh | the "I hate documenting things just let me write code" laziness | 16:35 |
| prashantD | we will adding implementation details to the spec? | 16:36 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: understood, my intention is have nice debates on new monitoring types and not to have that block the framework change | 16:36 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: absolutely - its the right thing to do | 16:36 |
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| vishwanathj | bobh, sridhar_ram, newbie question from me - are these specs in addition to what monasca can offer from monitoring perspective? | 16:37 |
| sridhar_ram | #chairs s3wong bobh sripriya | 16:37 |
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| bobh | vishwanathj: The framework will allow integration with monasca to be pluggable/odular | 16:37 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: good question, I think we need do some deep dives on monasca | 16:37 |
| s3wong | prashantD: that is an open question --- most of the time, implementation detail doesn't go into the spec | 16:38 |
| bobh | vishwanathj: and the additional monitoring types will be in addition to what monasca can provide | 16:38 |
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| s3wong | prashantD: however, if you have to specify API/interface, then that interface needs to be in detail | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | folks - sorry, I got to leave.. btw I've one off-topic question to ask if you don't mind | 16:38 |
| sripriya | bobh: new monitoring types will include ceilometer other than monasca? | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | aruncewind: just want to check w/ you if your extended team is considering to join tacker | 16:39 |
| vishwanathj | bobh, sridhar_ram, the reason I ask is I attended an Openstack meetup in Austin related to Monasca (presented by HP) and I walked away with the impression that Monasca would be the solution for tacker VNF monitoring needs as it can allow to monitor hosts and also process running in a host....however, I could be wrong | 16:39 |
| bobh | sripriya: Sure if you want to write the module :-) | 16:39 |
| bobh | vishwanathj: It's certainly possible but Monasca also comes with a low of overhead so it will be necessary to support some basic monitoring types for situations where Monasca is not availabe | 16:40 |
| sripriya | bobh: lol, I will be happy to do that only once I know more about the project itself :-) | 16:41 |
| bobh | s/low/lot/ | 16:41 |
| bobh | sripriya: That's what I said and now look where I'm at.... | 16:41 |
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| sridhar_ram | my initial read shows Monasca has lots of downstream dependencies | 16:41 |
| bobh | vishwanathj: I think integration with Monasca is an M* release candidate, or later | 16:42 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: Yes, and the development environment is challenging | 16:42 |
| sridhar_ram | it needs InfluxDB and Kafka... | 16:43 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: bobh also mention you need Ansible? | 16:43 |
| bobh | I think we have higher priorities than Monasca at this point | 16:43 |
| vishwanathj | bobh, ok. | 16:43 |
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| bobh | s3wong: The devstack for Monasca needs ansible to do the setup | 16:43 |
| vishwanathj | s3wong, ansible would be the preferred to deploy the monasca agents | 16:43 |
| bobh | s3wong: and it doesn't work in cygwin/Windows | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | however .. we shd consider (imagine ??) a tacker monasca monitoring driver and see what it is required in the framework | 16:44 |
| s3wong | hopefully integrating Monasca doesn't make Tacker installation overly complicated | 16:44 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: +1 | 16:44 |
| bobh | s3wong: The driver should just consume the Monasca API | 16:45 |
| bobh | same with sripriya's ceilometer driver | 16:45 |
| sridhar_ram | split here ... talk to you all next week. will catch up in the meeting minutes | 16:45 |
| sridhar_ram | bye | 16:45 |
| s3wong | bobh: sure --- but to use that driver, one still needs to install all the things Monasca needs | 16:45 |
| aruncewind | i'd be glad to help with the monasca deep dive if required. i am trying to get the current tacker code work in a monasca environment to see if i can find some obvious connection points | 16:45 |
| bobh | s3wong: Yes, that's the fun part | 16:45 |
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| s3wong | so anything else on the monitoring driver front? (please review bobh 's spec)? | 16:46 |
| bobh | aruncewind: I think the easiest connection point would be a new health monitor driver | 16:47 |
| bobh | s3wong: nothing from me | 16:47 |
| s3wong | OK. Moving on... | 16:47 |
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| s3wong | #topic Testing Update | 16:48 |
| s3wong | hmm... I thought I am one of the chairs now... | 16:48 |
| s3wong | #chair | 16:48 |
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| bobh | s3wong: you should be | 16:48 |
| bobh | #chair | 16:48 |
| s3wong | bobh: you want to try #topic? | 16:49 |
| bobh | #topic Testing Update | 16:49 |
| s3wong | apparently it doesn't work well :-) | 16:49 |
| s3wong | it is OK :-) | 16:49 |
| s3wong | so I am working on unit test | 16:49 |
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| s3wong | but my day job got in the way this week, and had made no progress | 16:50 |
| s3wong | I know sridhar_ram is working on functional tests, and since he stepped out, I don't expect much updates | 16:50 |
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| s3wong | sripriya: do you have any update on the testing front? | 16:50 |
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| sripriya | s3wong: we may contribute some functional tests in the long run, but nothing yet for this week | 16:51 |
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| s3wong | OK Moving on... | 16:52 |
| s3wong | #topic Bugs | 16:52 |
| s3wong | (I think anyone can #endmeeting after an hour, so hopefully we don't impede the next meeting after us) | 16:53 |
| sripriya | s3wong: people are still getting ramped up to Tacker, so it may take some time before we start seeing functiona testss PS | 16:53 |
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| s3wong | sripriya: sure | 16:53 |
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| sridhar_ram | #chair s3wong | 16:53 |
| openstack | Current chairs: s3wong sridhar_ram | 16:53 |
| s3wong | normally al bug fixes and features should accompany by unit tests | 16:53 |
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| s3wong | #topic Bugs | 16:54 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: now it works :-) | 16:54 |
| sripriya | do we want to discuss here for allowing unique names. | 16:54 |
| sripriya | I think there are few bugs on the same | 16:54 |
| bobh | I think we got agreement that is it needed | 16:54 |
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| s3wong | I am looking at launchpad, and all the high priority bugs have fix committed | 16:54 |
| bobh | The best implementation will require database changes to enforce uniquemess | 16:54 |
| sripriya | bobh: do you want to provide an update? | 16:54 |
| s3wong | so good job, guys!!! :-) | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: sorry, I used "chairs" earlier... | 16:55 |
| s3wong | ... FIVE moinutes | 16:55 |
| bobh | The VNF name uniqueness can be enforced by using the VNF Name as the Stack Name, and Heat will enforce the uniqueness | 16:55 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: apparently the demo room has Internet connectivity :-) | 16:55 |
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| bobh | However that could be a problem because the Heat interface is using a single project/tenant/whatever, so it would mean that users in different tenants could not use the same VNF name | 16:56 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: I'm cheating ;-) | 16:56 |
| bobh | So the question is - can we make database changes to enforce name uniqueness in VNF and VNFD? | 16:56 |
| s3wong | bobh: across tenants? | 16:56 |
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| bobh | s3wong - I think it should be unique within the tenant, so that adds another key field - name and tenant_id | 16:57 |
| bobh | We can discuss in the bugs - there is one each for VNF and VNFD | 16:58 |
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| s3wong | bobh: I agree with this change, as we shouldn't rely on Heat to tell us the name isn't unique | 16:58 |
| bobh | plus some other name-related bugs that should be submitted soon | 16:58 |
| s3wong | it should be managed by Tacker directly | 16:58 |
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| bobh | s3wong: Agreed, just wanted to make sure the database config change is permitted | 16:58 |
| bobh | also could be an API change if we want to enforce it at that level, but I think DB change is sufficient for now | 16:59 |
| s3wong | bobh: all you need is db migration script (easier said than done :-) ) | 16:59 |
| bobh | s3wong: exactly | 16:59 |
| s3wong | bobh: but it is fairly common in OpenStack projects (though most of the rebase problems do come from db migration scripts :-) ) | 16:59 |
| bobh | ok - I'll work on it this week | 17:00 |
| s3wong | bobh: at this point, we only have two users (UnitedStack and Comcast), that I know of, and my understanding is those are under deployment | 17:00 |
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| sripriya | bobh: thanks | 17:00 |
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| s3wong | so perhaps we can get away from having DB changes even without migration; perhaps we should consult with UnitedStack folks to make sure | 17:01 |
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| s3wong | Time's up. sorry guys | 17:01 |
| vishwanathj | we can add UnitedStack as a reviewer to the patch | 17:01 |
| s3wong | if there is anything else, let's move to #tacker to discuss | 17:01 |
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| s3wong | thanks, guys! | 17:01 |
| s3wong | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 23 17:01:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-07-23-16.05.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-07-23-16.05.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-07-23-16.05.log.html | 17:01 |
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| s3wong | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| s3wong | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon: please try a #startmeeting | 18:02 |
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| adrian_otto | let's see if the MeetBot died off during the previous meeting | 18:02 |
| s3wong | it has been one hour since someone set the tricircle meeting topic, we should be able to end it | 18:02 |
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| s3wong | but trying it twice didn't work | 18:02 |
| s3wong | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
| s3wong | hmm.... | 18:02 |
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| mestery | Only the chair of the tricicle meeting can end it | 18:03 |
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| s3wong | but I thought meeting can be ended by anyone after going on for an hour? | 18:04 |
| daneyon | #startmeeting openstack-containers-networking | 18:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 23 18:04:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is daneyon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-containers-networking)" | 18:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_containers_networking' | 18:04 |
| adrian_otto | no wait, wrong meeting name | 18:04 |
| daneyon | sorry for the late start... not sure why my cal did not give me a reminder | 18:04 |
| adrian_otto | hold on | 18:04 |
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| daneyon | ok, 1 sec while i get myself together | 18:05 |
| adrian_otto | it should be "container_networking" | 18:05 |
| adrian_otto | so let's end this one, and start it over. | 18:05 |
| daneyon | #startmeeting container-networking | 18:05 |
| openstack | daneyon: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 18:05 |
| daneyon | #endmeeting | 18:05 |
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| adrian_otto | use underscore | 18:05 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 23 18:05:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_containers_networking/2015/openstack_containers_networking.2015-07-23-18.04.html | 18:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_containers_networking/2015/openstack_containers_networking.2015-07-23-18.04.txt | 18:05 |
| s3wong | daneyon: you have to end the meeting first | 18:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_containers_networking/2015/openstack_containers_networking.2015-07-23-18.04.log.html | 18:05 |
| daneyon | #startmeeting container-networking | 18:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 23 18:05:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is daneyon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: container-networking)" | 18:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'container_networking' | 18:05 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that's fine | 18:06 |
| daneyon | sorry all! | 18:06 |
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| daneyon | #topic roll call | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: container-networking)" | 18:06 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 18:06 |
| s3wong | Stephen Wong | 18:06 |
| daneyon | here | 18:06 |
| hongbin | o/ | 18:06 |
| Tango | Ton Ngo | 18:06 |
| eghobo | o/ | 18:06 |
| arajagopal | Aditi Rajagopal | 18:06 |
| sicarie | o/ | 18:06 |
| mestery | o/ | 18:06 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks for joining mestery | 18:06 |
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| daneyon | thx all for joining | 18:07 |
| suro-patz | o/ | 18:07 |
| daneyon | #topic Review Networking Spec Submission/Feedback | 18:07 |
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| daneyon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204686/ | 18:07 |
| daneyon | thx for everyone's input into the spec and thx for all the feedback | 18:08 |
| adrian_otto | for those who have seen the review, we have a heathy debate in progress | 18:08 |
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| daneyon | i would like to open it up for questions | 18:08 |
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| adrian_otto | 0/ | 18:08 |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 18:08 |
| daneyon | I am still in the process of providing responses to the latest feedback | 18:09 |
| mestery | I'm really confused by what the spec is trying to implement, it appears to be ANOTHER network layer to plug into, and as Kevin Fox indicated, it's unclear it's needed. :) | 18:09 |
| adrian_otto | so I wanted to indicate that I'm sympathetic to the feedback offered by our Neutron team | 18:09 |
| mestery | I'll open with that :) | 18:09 |
| mestery | adrian_otto: ++, and thanks :) | 18:10 |
| adrian_otto | and I wanted to give us a chance to consider an iterative approach | 18:10 |
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| adrian_otto | I want to better understand what we would need in order to allow both flannel and libnetwork to be gracefully supported in Magnum | 18:10 |
| daneyon | mestery the spec is trying to implement a container networking model that provides choice in container networking implementations, while providing a simple user experience | 18:11 |
| adrian_otto | and highlight why we are worried that libnetwork may not support Flannel | 18:11 |
| daneyon | i think the biggest issue is by aligning with Kuryr, we align oursleves only to libnetwork | 18:11 |
| mestery | I'm worried about having another place for networking plugins in the stack, how this will interact with the underlying system, and adding more encaps to packets as they traverse the network | 18:11 |
| daneyon | which means we would no longer support flannel | 18:11 |
| eghobo | daneyon: why? | 18:12 |
| daneyon | if the magnum community is ok with that, I would be more open to aligning with kuryr | 18:12 |
| daneyon | eghobo flannel is not a libnetwork remote driver | 18:12 |
| mestery | Why won't flannel integrate with libnetwork? | 18:12 |
| daneyon | that's not to say it could not become a remote, but it's not today and i have no indication from coreos that it will be | 18:12 |
| s3wong | daneyon: would it make sense to start another Neutron sub-project that can support Flannel model, or better yet, can we extend Kuryr to support Flannel? | 18:12 |
| mestery | s3wong: ++ | 18:13 |
| eghobo | yes, but it's operator choice how deploy kub | 18:13 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon: you had indicated that there may be a licensing issue driving that reluctance. Did I remember that right? | 18:13 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto to support both, we need an abstractipon layer like what the spec proposes | 18:13 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon: unless we contribute a flannel plugin for libnetwork, right? | 18:14 |
| mestery | daneyon: And this is the problem, introducing another networking plugin layer into openstack doesn't seem to make sense to me. | 18:14 |
| mestery | daneyon: Especially when we're consolidating to a single one at the moment. | 18:14 |
| daneyon | mestery whether a magnum network_backend adds encap is based on the capabilities of the backend. many backends offer non encap options | 18:14 |
| adrian_otto | that's true. Actaully we have flannel configurations that use non-encap. | 18:15 |
| eghobo | mestery: +1, it make sense to use Neutron for all network managment | 18:15 |
| adrian_otto | based on nexthop setup | 18:15 |
| daneyon | mestery i think because coreos has aligned themselves with google to battle Docker in the container space, but i would suggest pinging #coreos-dev | 18:15 |
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| eghobo | daneyon: but I believe Tectronic shipp with Docker now | 18:16 |
| daneyon | s3wong I would like to see Kuryr not be directly tied to libnetwork, but that is their decision | 18:16 |
| adrian_otto | eghobo: I'm not 100% convinced of that yet. While I want to leverage neutron, we also want containers that run on Magnum to run on non-openstack clouds as well. | 18:16 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto not sure about the lic issue. I think it may be more of a strategy issue. | 18:16 |
| s3wong | daneyon: and that is also up to us as community in general though. I am sure Kuryr does NOT have the intention to NOT work with Magnum | 18:17 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon: ok, thanks for the clarity | 18:17 |
| arajagopal | echoing mestery, I think that this would set a bad precedent... | 18:17 |
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| mestery | arajagopal: ++ | 18:17 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto we could contribute a flannel plugin to libnetwork... i would need to investigate the details | 18:17 |
| s3wong | daneyon: so Magnum should give requirements to Kuryr | 18:17 |
| adrian_otto | so let's imagine for a moment that we have such a plugin | 18:17 |
| adrian_otto | s3wong: let's come back to Kuryr in a moment, please. | 18:18 |
| eghobo | adrian_otto: if I don't want to use Neutron, I will configure Kub directly through heat template | 18:18 |
| adrian_otto | in that world with a flannel plugin for libnetwork, we restrict Magnum to supporting only container runtimes that integrate with libnetwork. | 18:19 |
| daneyon | mestery can u help me understand this aspect of Kuryr We also plan on providing common additional networking services API's from other sub projects" | 18:19 |
| adrian_otto | let's explore that for a moment | 18:19 |
| daneyon | seems like Kuryr is providing another networking abstraction layer | 18:19 |
| adrian_otto | today, all of our supported bay types do use the Docker runtime | 18:19 |
| adrian_otto | so there would be no short term impact | 18:19 |
| mestery | adrian_otto: ++ so far | 18:19 |
| adrian_otto | long term, if we did add another integration point | 18:19 |
| adrian_otto | that would be adding a new API (an additive action) | 18:20 |
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| adrian_otto | and not a contract breaking change | 18:20 |
| arajagopal | adrian_otto: ++ i like where this is going... | 18:20 |
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| daneyon | eghobo i believe tectonic uses flannel for container networking | 18:20 |
| adrian_otto | so if an OCP runtime bay arrived in the future, we could address that question again | 18:20 |
| daneyon | #action danehans to verify the container networking tech used by tectonic | 18:21 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon: yes, it does. | 18:21 |
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| adrian_otto | it's flannel, you can #undo the action | 18:21 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto thx for the clarification | 18:21 |
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| daneyon | need a few moments to catch up with the thread | 18:22 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so I'm not saying we should take an abstraction layer or integration point totally off the table, but I'm asking if we could sequence our work in a way that defers that to a time when we know if it's worth the additional engineering and user education needed to clear that hurdle. | 18:23 |
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| adrian_otto | do we have a neutron plugin for libnetwork today? (sorry, I have not looked. The last time I wanted this it did not yet exist) | 18:24 |
| eghobo | mestery: have you heard anything from Google about Kub integration with Neutron? | 18:24 |
| mestery | eghobo: I have not, but I've seen some folks have already done this or some prelimanary work here (e.g. some folks on the OVS list) | 18:24 |
| mestery | adrian_otto: We do not, but that is what Kuryr is going to do | 18:24 |
| adrian_otto | mestery: tx | 18:25 |
| hongbin | I think we should consider integrating to Kuryr when it becomes mature | 18:25 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto no, a neutron libnetwork remote driver does not exist | 18:25 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon: do we have a reluctance on taking a dependency on Kuryr? Does the Magnum team have skills that we could lend to Kuryr to help advance it? | 18:26 |
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| daneyon | adrian_otto I think in the long-term, it's better to add openstack networking integration into the upstream container projects. | 18:26 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon: ++ | 18:26 |
| daneyon | for example, flannel alread support gce and aws, why not openstack? | 18:26 |
| adrian_otto | that's what we discussed in Vancouver. | 18:27 |
| adrian_otto | we had a rather strong consensus on that decision point | 18:27 |
| s3wong | adrian_otto: so both efforts (magnum-networking and Kuryr) are in early stage... it isn't like the dependency really is something mature waiting on something new | 18:27 |
| daneyon | mestery i don;t understand why Kuryr is needed for contributing to the upstream container projects directly | 18:27 |
| adrian_otto | s3wong: Magnum aims to be ready for production workloads in a few months | 18:28 |
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| adrian_otto | we are much further along | 18:28 |
| mestery | daneyon: Nor do I, and like I said, some folks are playing with integrating neutron with container networking. | 18:28 |
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| daneyon | mestery if the best place to integrate container networking with openstack is within the upstream container networking projects, then can you help me better understand what Kuryr will provide? | 18:29 |
| mestery | daneyon: We'd need to talk to gsagie a bit for that, there is some confusion around Kuryr at this point. | 18:30 |
| * mestery goes into lurk mode now and will be async | 18:30 | |
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| adrian_otto | mestery let me know before that he could only attend for the first half of this meeting | 18:30 |
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| mestery | adrian_otto: Yes, internal meeting now, but will be async here, apologies | 18:30 |
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| adrian_otto | so daneyon: do you feel that we have clarity on the neutron POV? | 18:31 |
| daneyon | mestery I really do appreciate your input and perspective. | 18:31 |
| mestery | daneyon: Likewise, thanks! :) | 18:31 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto I feel that I understand the Neutron Community's POV. | 18:32 |
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| daneyon | However, I think we need to figure out what direction we take magnum networking... here are some options: | 18:32 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so my suggestion is to have us apply some creativity and identify ways to accommodate that POV while still advancing toward our objectives. | 18:32 |
| daneyon | 1. We focus dev on upstream, add flannel as a remtoe libnetwork driver and only support libnetwork | 18:33 |
| * adrian_otto nods | 18:33 | |
| daneyon | 2. We proceed with the current spec, making minor tweaks as needed | 18:33 |
| daneyon | 3. We work with Kuryr and follow that direction. | 18:33 |
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| daneyon | 4. We abandon flaannel support and choose options 2 or 3 | 18:34 |
| eghobo | daneyon: we should check weaveworks, they may support libnetwork as well | 18:34 |
| daneyon | any other options? | 18:34 |
| adrian_otto | 4 is not acceptable | 18:34 |
| hongbin | One more option from me | 18:34 |
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| daneyon | eghobo weave is a libn remote driver | 18:34 |
| daneyon | flannel is currently the big stumbling block | 18:34 |
| hongbin | 5. Prototype a neutron bay in parallel with flannel bay | 18:35 |
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| daneyon | 1 moment pls | 18:35 |
| s3wong | yeah, I believe Weave already committed to having a libnet driver | 18:35 |
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| adrian_otto | libnet == libnetwork ? | 18:35 |
| daneyon | yes | 18:35 |
| adrian_otto | let's say that explicitly to avoid any ambiguity | 18:36 |
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| daneyon | so, we need to figure out which option to take | 18:36 |
| s3wong | adrian_otto: yes, libnetwork. Sorry about the abbreviation | 18:36 |
| adrian_otto | I'm insterested in your idea hongbin. | 18:36 |
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| adrian_otto | daneyon: did you need a moment, or could we explore this a bit? | 18:37 |
| hongbin | I would suggest to directly integrate with neutron (without touching libnetwork flannel) at the very beginning | 18:37 |
| hongbin | One thing is integrating neutron with something (libnetwork, flannel) will make the development process slow at the begining | 18:37 |
| daneyon | since goog is joinin it would be nice to get their input re flannel support | 18:37 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon: ++ | 18:37 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto give me a moment to catch up | 18:37 |
| s3wong | hongbin: so the Neutron Bay would support libnetwork with Kuryr; but Magnum Networking would also have libnetwork bay to avoid dependency on Kuryr? | 18:37 |
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| hongbin | s3wong: I am not clear what is behind a neutron bay right now, it is a prototype of something that works | 18:38 |
| daneyon | hongbin for 5 do you mean a baymodel that uses neutron and 1 that uses flannel? | 18:39 |
| s3wong | hongbin: yeah... I don't know if we try Neutron on containers. Perhaps with OVN driver? | 18:39 |
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| hongbin | daneyon: Yes, neutron bay just directly use neutron, another bay use flannel | 18:40 |
| daneyon | hongbin until neutron supports container networking, i don;t see that as possible. | 18:40 |
| daneyon | and it apperas that neutron will support container networking thru Kuryr.. which will use libnetwork | 18:40 |
| daneyon | so we're back at square 1 | 18:40 |
| hongbin | s3wong: Or just allocate neutron ports in the running vm, and attach the port to container | 18:40 |
| hongbin | daneyon: if a neutron bay is not possible, we will figure it out and switch to libnetwork at that time | 18:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I want to take a step back and think like a user | 18:42 |
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| daneyon | ok | 18:42 |
| adrian_otto | in Vancouver we all agreed that our users want the ability to use native API's | 18:42 |
| daneyon | agreed | 18:42 |
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| adrian_otto | and users should have the ability to specify the IP addresses used by their containers | 18:42 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto i think that's 1 feature some users want | 18:43 |
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| adrian_otto | some want it to just work | 18:43 |
| s3wong | hongbin: yeah, I remember two meetings ago (the first meeting), we talked about using Neutron network as a way to represent network for containers | 18:43 |
| adrian_otto | some want to specify | 18:43 |
| daneyon | right | 18:43 |
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| adrian_otto | so for those who want to specify, we want the user experience to be the same as if they were using the same native API *outside* of an OpenStack cloud | 18:44 |
| daneyon | i think most users will never even touch the network_backend and just use the default of the coe | 18:44 |
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| adrian_otto | agreed that most prefer the default for this very reason | 18:44 |
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| adrian_otto | so the command I use to create and start (run) a container is the same when I do it locally, and when I do it in the cloud | 18:45 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto to your point, that is why i did not include having magnum wrap container networking opertions. | 18:45 |
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| adrian_otto | excellent, glad this is not a point of debate | 18:45 |
| adrian_otto | that was my point, I'm done now. | 18:45 |
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| daneyon | I think it can become diffult to support the different container networking implementations.. it would be easier if we only supported libnetwork | 18:46 |
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| s3wong | daneyon: I thought adrian_otto stated above that not support Flannel is unacceptable? | 18:46 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto so the network spec tried to minimize any changes to the user experience | 18:47 |
| hongbin | What I don't like to integrate with libnetwork is that it is heavy | 18:47 |
| eghobo | is libnetwork part of Open Container Initiative? | 18:47 |
| daneyon | users that deploy containers in magnum today can continue in the same fashion | 18:47 |
| adrian_otto | s3wong: I do maintain that our k8s bay type must use flannel | 18:47 |
| adrian_otto | but I don't care if flannel does not work with every bay type | 18:47 |
| adrian_otto | I'd prefer it, but I'm willing to compromise there | 18:47 |
| daneyon | users that want to get fancy, can specify the network_backend and specify add'l config options for that backend | 18:47 |
| suro-patz | adrian_otto: what is the reason for depending on flannel for k8-bay | 18:48 |
| daneyon | eghobo it is not | 18:48 |
| adrian_otto | I feel strongly about having proper support for flannel in our k8s bay because that's how people use k8s, and I don't want to be in a poistion where we are the only ones who do it differently. | 18:48 |
| suro-patz | what I understand k8 can do multi-host networking of its own also | 18:48 |
| daneyon | until libnetwork is managed outside of Docker, I don;t see goog/coreos using the tech | 18:48 |
| adrian_otto | suro-patz: my understanding is that k8s uses Flannel for that. | 18:48 |
| daneyon | suro-patz k8s within gce has it's own network model and tooling | 18:49 |
| suro-patz | nope, k8 allocates /24 network per node | 18:49 |
| daneyon | flannel copied gce's network model. | 18:49 |
| suro-patz | and do multihost networking without flannel | 18:49 |
| eghobo | suro-patz: I believe it's GCE specific | 18:49 |
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| suro-patz | I thought when we discussed this in summit, we had concluded that flannel just creeped into the bay definition, without any particular intention | 18:50 |
| adrian_otto | eghobo: I think you're right. There's what k8s does, and there's what CGE does. | 18:50 |
| adrian_otto | I am pretty sure the user experience is consistent in both cases, but the implementation is different. | 18:51 |
| daneyon | flannel is def the way k8s does multi-host networking | 18:51 |
| eghobo | suro-patz: there vxlan support as well, but you need OVS for that | 18:51 |
| daneyon | you can use other tech for k8s, but flannel is the preferred atm | 18:51 |
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| adrian_otto | so have we reached a point of clarity on Magnum's preferred networking solution for k8s will be flannel? | 18:52 |
| s3wong | Kubernetes does have OVS driver | 18:52 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: +1 | 18:52 |
| daneyon | +1 to continue have flannel be the k8s networking default | 18:53 |
| suro-patz | I think we should bank more on libnetwork for docker than being dependent on a particular remote plugin | 18:53 |
| eghobo | +1 for flannel, at least today | 18:53 |
| s3wong | adrian_otto: yes, based on your point that Magnum wants to provide consistent user experience. Seems like flannel is the way to go there | 18:53 |
| Tango | +1 for flannel | 18:53 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so as hongbin mentioned, we could have the k8s bay template do essentially what it does now, and the other bay types could use libnetwork instead. | 18:53 |
| daneyon | if other agree, then we are back to square 1. | 18:53 |
| adrian_otto | our default driver for libnetwork could be a driver for neutron once that becomes available and is judged as stable enough. | 18:54 |
| suro-patz | +1 | 18:54 |
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| adrian_otto | so in that case the Swarm bay and the Mesos bay would both use libnetwork in their respective templates. Did I understand the proposal clearly? | 18:55 |
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| hongbin | I have concerns that libnetwork-neutron integration is going to be heavy | 18:55 |
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| s3wong | adrian_otto: yes, I think we shouldn't have multiple low level networking drivers for different projects in OpenStack | 18:55 |
| adrian_otto | we can still allow for labels to pass through configuration specifics | 18:55 |
| daneyon | then we lock container networking implementations to a coe instead of the project level. | 18:55 |
| hongbin | daneyon: +1 | 18:56 |
| daneyon | i would like users to have choice that is independent. | 18:56 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon: that may give us more freedom down the road | 18:56 |
| suro-patz | daneyon: +1 | 18:56 |
| Tango | Sounds right | 18:56 |
| suro-patz | container networking shud be in COE and it may use some remote driver from OpenStack | 18:56 |
| eghobo | daneyon: +1 | 18:57 |
| daneyon | if we lock the container networking implementaiton, then I would suggest supporting 1 for the entire magnum project. we can either make flannel work with swarm or we contribute upstream to get flannel into libnetwork | 18:57 |
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| s3wong | daneyon: how much effort would it be to get flannel into libnetwork? | 18:57 |
| adrian_otto | we are approaching the end of our scheduled time | 18:57 |
| s3wong | (I do realize we only have three minutes) | 18:57 |
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| eghobo | adrian_otto: do you think CoreOS folks will be fine with libnetwork flannel integration? | 18:58 |
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| adrian_otto | eghobo: we can ask them | 18:58 |
| daneyon | s3wong not sure atm | 18:58 |
| adrian_otto | I can ask. | 18:59 |
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| adrian_otto | time to end | 18:59 |
| daneyon | eghobo i brought up the quesrion yesterday in #coreos-dev and it didn;t go anywhere | 18:59 |
| s3wong | Thanks, guys! Good discussions | 18:59 |
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| daneyon | thx everyone | 19:00 |
| daneyon | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 23 19:00:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-07-23-18.05.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-07-23-18.05.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-07-23-18.05.log.html | 19:00 |
| eghobo | adrian_otto: please, we also need to ask Docker folks about libnetwork + Neutron integartion | 19:00 |
| daneyon | moving to #openstack-containers | 19:00 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ping: dhellmann, stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng, sigmavirus24 | 19:02 |
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| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:02 |
| dtroyer_zz | #startmeeting OpenStackClient | 19:02 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 23 19:02:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer_zz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:02 |
| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 19:03 |
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| dtroyer_zz | Ok, let's start with the usual bits | 19:04 |
| dtroyer_zz | #topic bugs | 19:04 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 19:04 |
| dtroyer_zz | anything needing eyes? | 19:04 |
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| dtroyer_zz | wow, is this a fast meeting today? | 19:06 |
| ajayaa | Hi. Is anyone working on the go client library? | 19:06 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ajayaa: I was the last one to touch it afaik, we can talk further about it after the OSC meeting is done | 19:06 |
| ajayaa | dtroyer_zz, okay. | 19:07 |
| * stevemar sneaks in late | 19:07 | |
| dtroyer_zz | so https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1477629 is new this morning, I was looking at it and have a question on the output of a security group rule | 19:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1477629 in python-openstackclient "ICMP secgroup rule must have --dst-port -1 to actually allow ICMP" [Medium,Triaged] | 19:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1477629 in python-openstackclient "ICMP secgroup rule must have --dst-port -1 to actually allow ICMP" [Medium,Triaged] | 19:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1477629 in python-openstackclient "ICMP secgroup rule must have --dst-port -1 to actually allow ICMP" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1477629 | 19:08 |
| stevemar | there have been a bunch of patches about volume that need love | 19:08 |
| dtroyer_zz | right now for ICMP rules, 'port_range' is always present in the output but blank. should we drop it for ICMP only? | 19:08 |
| stevemar | i'm tempted to just take over them | 19:08 |
| terrylhowe | I was messing with that one, I believe it, but did not confirm | 19:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | stevemar: so turn up the volume so they get more love? | 19:09 |
| dtroyer_zz | I confirmed it in IRC this morning with jordanp | 19:09 |
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| stevemar | sigmavirus24: i've already helped out the author(s) on a few patches now, on getting the hang of gerrit and such | 19:10 |
| dtroyer_zz | ok, sop lets talk reviews then | 19:10 |
| stevemar | i'll help the noobies out again, just need a bit of time away | 19:10 |
| dtroyer_zz | #topic reviews | 19:10 |
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| sigmavirus24 | stevemar: I was making a pun | 19:10 |
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| stevemar | sigmavirus24: yeah, i noticed taht :) but i figured there was a real question in there too | 19:10 |
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| sigmavirus24 | no not really | 19:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 19:10 |
| stevemar | hue hue | 19:10 |
| dtroyer_zz | I figured once he got one sorted out to go back and fix the rest to match | 19:11 |
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| terrylhowe | question about that volume list one... | 19:11 |
| stevemar | we really need another release soon, but at this point it's easier to just wait til all the volume commands are done | 19:11 |
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| stevemar | heha and jiaxi are doing the last few | 19:12 |
| terrylhowe | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204325/ | 19:12 |
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| stevemar | terrylhowe: what about it/ | 19:13 |
| stevemar | ? | 19:13 |
| terrylhowe | heha had a —name option and another option for query, it seems like it would be good to have a general —query option for lists | 19:13 |
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| terrylhowe | so OSC doesn’t have to know what is supported | 19:13 |
| stevemar | i think he's just going for v1 parity at this point | 19:13 |
| terrylhowe | people could use it for limit, marker or fields | 19:13 |
| dtroyer_zz | I disagree. then it is on the user to know what to do | 19:13 |
| dtroyer_zz | although the common functions must be the same as much as possible, even if we need to do some work client-side | 19:14 |
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| terrylhowe | well we could offer —limit and —maker on everything, but they don’t all suport it | 19:14 |
| dtroyer_zz | which is why some of that may need to be done client-side | 19:14 |
| terrylhowe | and even then, it might not be enabled for a service or something | 19:14 |
| dtroyer_zz | with some smart-ish data caching it isn't too painful | 19:14 |
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| terrylhowe | just bound to be wrong and incomplete is all | 19:15 |
| terrylhowe | that is fine though | 19:15 |
| dtroyer_zz | any service that makes limit/marker optional and doesn't tell us how to know if it is on or off is broken | 19:15 |
| dtroyer_zz | we've been wrong and incomplete since day 1. always will be. but it's better than everything else | 19:15 |
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| stevemar | keep that cheery attitude out of this dtroyer_zz | 19:16 |
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| terrylhowe | so you think all list commands should have —limit and —marker? | 19:16 |
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| dtroyer_zz | eventually, in some fashion, yes, they should all support paging | 19:17 |
| stevemar | limit yes, marker ... harder to get there | 19:17 |
| dtroyer_zz | I'm not convinced that our APIs have that sorted out yet | 19:17 |
| stevemar | listing all users, and paging will never work | 19:17 |
| terrylhowe | I doubt it | 19:17 |
| dtroyer_zz | stevemar: right, which is why I'm hedging with 'some' and not 'all' functionality | 19:17 |
| stevemar | ja | 19:18 |
| terrylhowe | that is why I like a generic —query option and let the user do what they can, but I’m not attached | 19:18 |
| dhellmann | would it make sense to put the options in a base class for list commands, with a class attribute to disable them for APIs that don't support them? | 19:18 |
| dhellmann | (the marker and limit options, that is) | 19:18 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: thats what i was advising abhide to do | 19:18 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: great minds, yadda yadda | 19:18 |
| dtroyer_zz | dhellmann: probably, in some fashion. but the fun of neutronclients over-normalization doing that made me think twice before going too far dopwn that path | 19:19 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer_zz: maybe multiple lister base classes, then, for different patterns? | 19:19 |
| dtroyer_zz | every API is a special snowflake so we really can't do a lot at the lowest levels common | 19:20 |
| dhellmann | and file bugs for whichever APIs we find that use the pattern we don't like | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ya, I'm with you… its doing it in practice… we started talking about paging in, where, San Diego? Still nothing common | 19:20 |
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| dhellmann | yeah | 19:21 |
| dhellmann | maybe the new api working group can help with that, if we feed them some specific data | 19:21 |
| stevemar | topic? what will 1.6.0 include and not include? | 19:21 |
| stevemar | its getting to be a massive release.... | 19:22 |
| dtroyer_zz | this has been talked about, it's writing the guidelines. someone may have already started, I haven't looked in a month or so | 19:22 |
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| dtroyer_zz | stevemar: slow down turbo... | 19:22 |
| dtroyer_zz | any other reviews first? | 19:22 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: :) | 19:22 |
| stevemar | the image create one? | 19:23 |
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| stevemar | for v2 | 19:23 |
| terrylhowe | I’ve been a bit manic myself lately too | 19:23 |
| dtroyer_zz | I've just looked closely at the user-facing parts, not sure why it is so different | 19:23 |
| terrylhowe | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203280/ | 19:24 |
| dtroyer_zz | a few of the API changes can be covered for, others just get removed | 19:24 |
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| dtroyer_zz | but why is the option order different? makes the help text gratuitously different | 19:24 |
| stevemar | the ordering can be changed | 19:25 |
| stevemar | tags is weird | 19:25 |
| dtroyer_zz | I think stevemar convinced me on enumerating the container and disk types | 19:25 |
| stevemar | \o/ | 19:25 |
| dtroyer_zz | yeah, where did that come from? | 19:25 |
| dtroyer_zz | it is entirely possible it came from me long ago | 19:25 |
| dtroyer_zz | and I just don't recall | 19:25 |
| stevemar | possible | 19:26 |
| dtroyer_zz | either way it seems odd | 19:26 |
| stevemar | naw | 19:26 |
| terrylhowe | should be —property? | 19:26 |
| dtroyer_zz | first, is 'tag' or 'tags' the right word? are users expected to know what that is? | 19:26 |
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| dtroyer_zz | this is like —property but keys only, no values | 19:27 |
| stevemar | i think its supposed to be property? | 19:27 |
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| dtroyer_zz | no, they have both ;( | 19:27 |
| dtroyer_zz | again with the special snowflakes | 19:27 |
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| dtroyer_zz | I do recall terrylhowe doing a list of strings somewhere that would be a good precedent to follow, but I can't remember which command that was | 19:28 |
| terrylhowe | should be be action=append | 19:28 |
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| terrylhowe | the thing I did dtroyer_zz was an append for dicts I think | 19:28 |
| terrylhowe | kind of like —nic on server create | 19:28 |
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| dtroyer_zz | hmmm… ok. I do like allowing multiple —tag options (prefer singular too) | 19:28 |
| dtroyer_zz | yeah, that's the one | 19:28 |
| terrylhowe | it was for subnet create | 19:29 |
| terrylhowe | I think —tag with action=append would be better | 19:29 |
| dtroyer_zz | agreed | 19:29 |
| dtroyer_zz | was it subnet create where it also accepted a comma-separated list? | 19:30 |
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| terrylhowe | it may have | 19:30 |
| dtroyer_zz | that is what I was thinking of…that didn't merge yet did it… | 19:30 |
| terrylhowe | it is still out there, going to be a while before that is ready. all I see in there is that array of dicts ActionAppender | 19:31 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ok, they were dicts rather than strings? | 19:32 |
| terrylhowe | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84782/10 | 19:32 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, neutron just needs them, the appender was nice to validate the values | 19:32 |
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| terrylhowe | I’d like to bring that in someday, it would work for —nic as well in server create | 19:33 |
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| dtroyer_zz | as much as I don't like the idea of strings of AVPs, I think you're right we need to do it. | 19:33 |
| * dtroyer_zz still a wee bit grumpy | 19:34 | |
| dtroyer_zz | anyway, back to —tag | 19:34 |
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| dtroyer_zz | I like terrylhowe's suggestion of —tag and action-append | 19:34 |
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| stevemar | next review? | 19:35 |
| dtroyer_zz | sure! | 19:35 |
| stevemar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203185/ | 19:35 |
| stevemar | i say no to dropping py26 | 19:36 |
| stevemar | not sure why terrylhowe proposed to remove it | 19:36 |
| dtroyer_zz | my gut agrees | 19:36 |
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| stevemar | as a client lib we should be very flexible | 19:36 |
| dtroyer_zz | at least not until one of our dep libs makes it impossible to run there | 19:36 |
| stevemar | then we get the TC to bust out the big stick and what the dependency | 19:36 |
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| stevemar | whack* | 19:37 |
| terrylhowe | fair enough, I just like to simplify | 19:37 |
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| stevemar | sorry mr howe | 19:37 |
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| dtroyer_zz | who said "as simple as possible, but not too simple?" | 19:37 |
| terrylhowe | ouch! | 19:37 |
| dhellmann | I'm actually with terrylhowe on this one, but I'm not in a big rush | 19:37 |
| dtroyer_zz | dhellmann: is there a schedule for oslo libs to drop it? | 19:37 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer_zz: I think when juno falls out of support? | 19:38 |
| dhellmann | actually, belay that | 19:38 |
| terrylhowe | I kind of like the idea of taking compatibility patches, but just not regularly testing it | 19:38 |
| dhellmann | we've talked about doing it for master, now that we have stable branches | 19:38 |
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| dhellmann | there was an email thread about it not too long ago, but I think no one is motivated to drop them so it hasn't been done yet | 19:39 |
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| dhellmann | if we don't do it now, it will probably happen early in mitaka | 19:39 |
| stevemar | cool cool | 19:39 |
| dtroyer_zz | I still like the idea that clients need to be as compatible as possible | 19:39 |
| dtroyer_zz | if it isn't costing us much in coding or tech debt, I'd like to leave it in for now | 19:40 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think the conclusion was that most of the platforms we've been supporting have actually moved on from 2.6 | 19:40 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: yep | 19:40 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I imagine the infra team will be pushing us to drop it when they want to stop supporting 2.6 images in the gate | 19:40 |
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| dtroyer_zz | I'm certain there is still RHEL6 in the wild, even RHEL5, but I do not know if it is places we should care | 19:40 |
| dtroyer_zz | that's a fine time to do it then | 19:41 |
| dhellmann | right, we're not actively supporting even running openstack on those platforms much longer, and I think that was the trigger for oslo to drop these jobs | 19:41 |
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| dtroyer_zz | again, though, clients run in places servers never would... | 19:41 |
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| dtroyer_zz | can you tell I'm hearing a lot about 'entrprise' these days? and they're the worst for this kind of thing… | 19:42 |
| dhellmann | I don't care enough to argue against you now, but I would be on infra's side when they want to stop having to maintain 2.6 images for CI | 19:42 |
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| dhellmann | I'm content to let those folks pay someone to maintain compatibility, but don't see the need for the entire project to take on the burden | 19:42 |
| dtroyer_zz | sure, that works for me. unless it;s costing someone a lot in time or resource, though, I'd prefer to keep it | 19:43 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think we're agreeing, for now :-) | 19:43 |
| dtroyer_zz | yup | 19:43 |
| stevemar | someone who isn't us will probably make a call that will keep or remove the job :P | 19:43 |
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| dtroyer_zz | other reviews? | 19:43 |
| stevemar | the other interesting review is this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186720/4 | 19:43 |
| stevemar | terry already +2'ed it, and i am +2 once my comments are addressed | 19:44 |
| stevemar | if you call, it was one of the few user requests we had in YVR | 19:44 |
| dtroyer_zz | right, that's why I rebased it to see where it was at | 19:44 |
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| stevemar | and the dudes from fujitsu actually did a great job with the feedback we gave them (base it on occ) | 19:44 |
| dtroyer_zz | I think it is actually close | 19:45 |
| terrylhowe | I like it mostly because some code gets pulled out shell.py | 19:45 |
| stevemar | theyre a bit slow with turn around, but i like it | 19:45 |
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| dtroyer_zz | I don't think we'd hold up a release for it though | 19:45 |
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| stevemar | guess not | 19:45 |
| dtroyer_zz | did we cover volumes already? | 19:45 |
| stevemar | there are 3 patches left for volume | 19:47 |
| stevemar | the list one | 19:47 |
| stevemar | this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204364/ (volume type set and unset) | 19:47 |
| stevemar | and this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187480/ | 19:47 |
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| stevemar | all are reviewed with feedback, but it'll be cool to announce full v1 and v2 support for volume in the next release | 19:48 |
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| terrylhowe | set/unset needs docs | 19:48 |
| dtroyer_zz | that would be nice; at this point it looks like you'll be making the release call without me | 19:49 |
| terrylhowe | missing ‘volume type show’ I think | 19:49 |
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| dtroyer_zz | 10 min warning… | 19:50 |
| stevemar | terrylhowe: i proposed VT show | 19:50 |
| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: when are you gone? | 19:50 |
| terrylhowe | ahh, thanks stevemar been so many changes around there lately | 19:50 |
| dtroyer_zz | Monday. this is my last meeting of any kind for maybe a month or so | 19:50 |
| dtroyer_zz | #topic open discussion | 19:51 |
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| stevemar | yowza | 19:51 |
| dtroyer_zz | So that was my reminder of me being gone for a while | 19:52 |
| stevemar | good luck! | 19:52 |
| dtroyer_zz | y'all will be grump-free unless someone asks for my magic stick | 19:52 |
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| stevemar | dhellmann: you cool if i bug you when we need to release? | 19:53 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: yep, did you see the stuff about the new releases repo? | 19:53 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: i did not, my knowledge on the release process is very limited :( | 19:53 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: ok, ping me when you're ready and I'll walk you through it | 19:53 |
| dtroyer_zz | it's actually pretty cool | 19:53 |
| stevemar | cool, just gotta find time, i'm slammed next week until friday, so probably then | 19:54 |
| dtroyer_zz | also, don't forget cliff and/or o-c-c need rleeases before osc | 19:54 |
| stevemar | teaching noobies how to openstack! | 19:54 |
| stevemar | yup | 19:54 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer_zz: good point | 19:54 |
| stevemar | i really want that fuzzy patch in for cliff! | 19:54 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 19:54 |
| stevemar | that one is very cool! | 19:54 |
| dtroyer_zz | I haven't tried it, looks good? | 19:54 |
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| terrylhowe | agreed! | 19:54 |
| dhellmann | yep, very nice addition | 19:54 |
| stevemar | terrylhowe tried it and he reported back goodness | 19:54 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: did you try it in interactive mode? | 19:54 |
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| stevemar | i tried the old patch, it was fine | 19:55 |
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| dtroyer_zz | does it let us do cisco-style shortcuts? | 19:55 |
| stevemar | i'll give it another whirl | 19:55 |
| dtroyer_zz | ie, serv sho | 19:55 |
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| terrylhowe | I did not try interactive | 19:55 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: no, this one finds matches in case you messed up the command | 19:55 |
| stevemar | i.e.: # os user foo | 19:55 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ok, still good, but that's always been a dream of mine... | 19:55 |
| stevemar | will report back: did you mean: os user create, os user show ... | 19:56 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer_zz: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202053/ | 19:56 |
| terrylhowe | ser sho <- a lot of matches for that | 19:56 |
| terrylhowe | interactive works | 19:56 |
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| dtroyer_zz | you type as much as required to make it unique | 19:56 |
| stevemar | http://paste.openstack.org/show/404590/ | 19:56 |
| dhellmann | terrylhowe: nice | 19:57 |
| dtroyer_zz | the rest is optional | 19:57 |
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| dtroyer_zz | again, long-term dream feature | 19:57 |
| stevemar | this one + the --help option will go a long way | 19:57 |
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| stevemar | anyway, i'm done for now | 19:58 |
| stevemar | good luck dtroyer_zz! | 19:58 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, take it easy dtroyer_zz | 19:58 |
| dtroyer_zz | ajayaa had a go question, appears to be gone… | 19:58 |
| terrylhowe | not too easy though | 19:58 |
| dtroyer_zz | thanks. I'll probably check in as my laptop is always close | 19:58 |
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| dtroyer_zz | ok, if that's it, we'll call it a day | 19:59 |
| stevemar | "A DAY" | 19:59 |
| dtroyer_zz | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 23 19:59:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-07-23-19.02.html | 19:59 |
| dtroyer_zz | good night Gracie | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-07-23-19.02.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-07-23-19.02.log.html | 19:59 |
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