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zhipenghello tricirclle team13:01
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zhipengshould we start the meeting now?13:02
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zhipeng#startmeeting tricircle13:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 29 13:03:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is zhipeng. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:04
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zhipeng#topic Roll Call13:04
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zhipengcard punching time :P13:04
zhipeng#info zhipeng13:04
gampel#info gampel13:04
joehuang#info joehuang13:04
zhipengis saggi around?13:05
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gampelsaggi will not join us today13:05
zhipeng#topic Design BP13:05
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zhipenglet's try to use irc command more13:05
zhipengstart with #info to share your thoughts :P13:06
zhipeng#info zhiyuan13:06
joehuang#info I just update the DB design, to reduce the duplication with keystone13:06
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joehuanghwo about your ideas?13:06
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gampelok looks good i will go over it after the meeting13:07
joehuang#info the project id should be in the mapping table13:07
joehuangI missed it13:07
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joehuangand I am afraid that the table size will grow to very large for the mapping table13:08
gampelcan you add a section describing how we work with one keystone13:08
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joehuanghence, shall we split it into servral table or not?13:09
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zhiyuanyes, since most of the resources need a mapping entry13:09
gampelyou mean by type of resource ?13:09
joehuangok, I'll do that. Today I am in lab to prepare the CJK VPN connection, not update the doc13:10
joehuang#action update the doc for how to work with KeyStone, joehuang13:10
gampeljoe: do you mean create a table per resource ?13:10
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joehuanglooks good13:11
joehuangfor example, cinder object mapping in one table, nova resource mapping in another table13:11
joehuangor just use project id as the sharding key.13:12
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joehuangwe can built in sharding capability into the DAL layer13:12
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joehuangso that if the table grows large we have a way to split it into several small tables13:13
gampelthis is a good idea ?13:13
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joehuangto gamel, your question?13:14
gampelso we have a table per bottom site13:14
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joehuangper bottom site may be not so good idea, for sometimes you may have to query mutiple tables13:15
joehuangmay we make the sharding policy being configurable?13:15
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gampelso what do you mean "sharding capability " so group of bottom site in one table13:16
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joehuangper bottom site or per project or per AZ13:16
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joehuanglet me see how to do a sharding in case of the table become large13:18
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joehuanghow about the task flow13:19
zhiyuanbefore that, one thing I would like to discuss13:19
joehuang#topic task flow in cascade service13:19
zhiyuando we need to maintain a session reference in a context? as I understand, information in context can be used for policy check, but we can finish policy check before database access13:19
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gampeli though of context to understand who is  query  the DB admin/ tenant  user etc13:20
joehuangthe Nova/cinder/Neutron API should have done the policy check, isn't it?13:20
gampelyes but we have cascading service api as well13:21
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gampelthey query/update the DAL13:21
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joehuangcascade servcice API mainly for admin, do you mean we will open the cascade service API to tenant?13:22
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gampelFor the moment it seem that it is , but we might need roles and responsibility API13:23
zhipengby concept tenants shouldn't be aware of cascade service13:23
zhiyuanin my opinion, the context will be passed to a function like query_mapping, query_mapping will use the information in context to finish policy check, then issue a database access13:24
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zhiyuansession is created before the database access13:24
gampelI think that this will be a good infrastructure to allow different rules in the cascading API13:25
zhiyuanbut not included in the context13:25
gampelOne context is form the API maybe different  admin rules and another context is from the running service13:25
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joehuangZhiyuan, is it difficult to include session in the context13:27
gampelsorry   i mean roles13:27
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joehuangthe session lifecycle is shorter that other information like project, roles, etc13:28
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joehuangif the session is over, then shall we remove it from the context?13:30
zhiyuanit's easy. I just feel like a bit strange. context and session are separated in nova, but together in neutron ...13:30
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gampelwhat do they do in nova ?13:30
zhiyuanboth session and context are passed to the database handler13:31
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gampelbut if you pass the context any way it make sense to have the session as a member13:32
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gampelzhiyuan: if you feel this work is not needed we could discuss this offline13:33
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zhiyuanok, I just want the core database part not depend on the context13:34
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joehuangZhiyuan /Gampel, one question, if the task flow access the DB many times, whill the session changed in different DB access13:34
gampelyes i agree13:35
zhipeng#topic task flow in cascade service13:35
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gampeli think that the task compiler an dependency builder will access the db with one session13:36
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zhipenghi okrieg13:37
joehuang#info  it'll be difficult to process the intermidiate result produfced during the task flow if we using mistral13:37
joehuang#info therefore I would prefer to use the task flow like what used in the Cinder, but not to have dependency on Mistral13:38
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gampelmistral support passing results to next taskflow13:38
gampelyou mean the API combination ?13:38
joehuangbut some result should be processed by the cascade service13:39
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joehuangfor example, during a VM boot  task flow13:39
joehuangyou have to record the object uuid mapping13:39
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gampelyou mean the port status and vm status13:39
joehuangthe cascade service should be aware of some new created objects and persist the mapping in the DB13:40
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gampelI will check if mistral support providing response13:41
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gampelany way we could have the task exe as a pluggable module13:41
joehuangthat's a good idea13:41
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joehuang#info task flow exec should be pluggable module13:42
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gampel#action gampel check what mistral supports and which taskflow we want in the reference  implementation13:43
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joehuanghi, okrieg back13:44
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zhipeng#topic cascade dal13:45
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joehuangI heard that Saggi is sick, sorry to hear that13:45
gampeli will let him know :)13:45
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zhipengbring our regards to him :)13:47
joehuangI think we can have a runable framework for the first BP, but not to do to much13:47
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gampelyes we need to start working on the dependency builder and the task compiler13:47
joehuangmore patches to the framework but still working13:47
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zhipengzhiyuan anything want to discuss about the dal13:50
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joehuangthe DAL part will grow as more features includes13:52
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gampel#info "port status" and other site-localized information collection13:53
joehuangcurrently we have a basis to start, that's enough13:53
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zhiyuanzhipeng: it's discussed in the previous section :)13:53
gampelwe analyzed how to do the port-status caching mechanism (we discussed this last week)..13:53
joehuangcan we add thought about "port status" in the doc13:54
gampelwe think the poll approach will not scale, we need something else13:54
gampelwe think we need to introduce a "bottom" service (like "cascaded service" or something) that will handle bottom data collection (and other tasks) locally13:55
gampellike, l2gw, port-status monitoring (and push it up to the "top"),13:55
joehuangthe local service should be aware of status change13:56
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gampelit will let us synchronize different network implementations (vlan<->vxlan<->ovn<-stt ... )13:56
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gampelwe're still working on it, but we think that it should implement the L2GW API, and maybe other APIs as well (should probably be a pluggable system with extensions)13:57
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zhipenggampel i think this is what joehuang mentioned before, the bottom service13:57
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joehuangif so, you have to tough bottom OpenStack. Will all vendor of the distributions will allow a new servici to insert13:58
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gampelokay, maybe I missed it...13:58
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gampelthe "local cascaded service" needs to be designed like a pluggable driver(s) that each distribution can implement13:59
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joehuangneed more discussion14:00
zhipengglobal cascade service plug to the top, whereas the local ones plug to the bottom14:00
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gampelas for making a change to the bottom instance - it will not.  it's just another service you deploy to enable participation in the "Cascading Cloud". (not different from L2GW)14:00
joehuangwe can discuss in the m-l14:00
gampel@zhipeng - yes, I think you're right14:00
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gampel@joehung - yes, that's probably a good idea :)14:01
joehuangplease trigger a discussion in m-l14:01
zhipeng#action discuss pluggable cascade service module on bottom14:01
zhipengokey let's wrap up the meeting, got a lot of AIs :)14:02
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gampelI agree14:02
zhipengthanks for you guys participating.14:02
gampelthank you guys14:02
joehuangyes. thanks a lot14:02
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SotKAnyone here for the StoryBoard meeting?15:00
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SotK#startmeeting storyboard15:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 29 15:01:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'storyboard'15:01
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SotK#link Agenda15:01
SotK#topic Urgent Items15:01
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SotK#info Reviews are still a bit of a blocker. There are a whole bunch of patches which need review from someone other than myself or Zara.15:01
SotK#link,n,z Outstanding patches15:01
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SotKIt'd be great if we could persuade some folks to do some reviews for us!15:02
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SotKI'm not sure how to achieve that easily15:04
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Zarasame here, not sure what to do beyond donning disguises and give out +1s ourselves.15:05
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SotKI guess we just keep prodding in #storyboard for now15:06
SotKThere are no other urgent items that I'm aware of15:06
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SotKAnyone disagree?15:07
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SotK#topic Spec Review15:07
SotK#info There are a bunch of partially implemented accepted specs. We should decide what we think of these.15:07
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SotK#link Integration Tests15:07
SotK#link Story Tags15:07
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SotK#link Subscriptions and Events15:07
SotK#link Support for Branches15:07
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* SotK confesses to it being long enough since he read these that he can't remember any particularly strong opinions he had15:09
ZaraI'd suggest that since there are only two of us actively working on this atm, the first step might be to prioritise which spec (or maybe specs) to look at.15:09
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SotKI agree with that15:10
ZaraMy preference would be for subscriptions and events, because in their current form, these seem to slow storyboard down, which I think is a very big problem. second choice would be tags.15:10
SotKI agree with that too15:11
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SotKI had some thoughts about how to quickly improve subscriptions to at least alleviate some of the slowdown for now15:11
SotKBasically "get the current user's subscription list when the page is loaded, pass that to the code which decides whether to show a solid star or an edged star"15:13
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SotKrather than "do a GET request for each item on the current page that can be subscribed to"15:13
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Zarasounds sensible.15:14
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SotKI don't know if I'll have time to actually do that though15:15
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Zaraokay, I could start to look at it next, if that seems like a good idea, and leave tags for later.15:17
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SotKseems sensible to me, though I'm happy to take a break from writing the worklists API to look at it if you'd rather do tags :)15:18
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Zara:) I don't really have a preference; I think it's more urgent than worklists or tags so at least one of us should look at it now.15:20
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SotK#agreed Subscriptions should be prioritised, followed by Tags.15:21
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SotK#action SotK or Zara to look at speeding up the subscription resolution code15:22
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SotK#topic In-Progress Work15:23
SotK#info SotK is currently looking at implementing worklists and boards.15:23
SotK#link Spec15:23
SotKThe plan is for these to be used to provide detailed, personal prioritisation, along with the ability to use a kanban workflow with StoryBoard tasks and stories.15:23
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SotKI'm currently working on writing the API for worklists and boards, whilst waiting for any comments on the spec.15:23
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SotKI've previously shown a mock-up UI for a kanban which people have given thoughts about.15:24
SotKIt'd be great to get some opinions on the spec from folks15:25
SotK(it feels weird working to a not-yet-approved spec)15:25
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* Zara can confirm that the mock-up was pretty15:26
SotKI'll populate a publically accessible mockup which won't randomly disappear or change IP repeatedly soon15:28
SotKI'll put the link to it somewhere when I do that, and mention it in #storyboard15:28
SotK#action SotK to create publically-viewable mockup of a kanban view15:29
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SotKZara: what is your in-progress work at the moment?15:30
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SotK(I think you can also use #info and #link)15:31
ZaraThis week I've been looking at making the UI more consistent, so making the project groups page look more like the Stories and Projects pages15:31
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Zaraeasier to explain by linking the patch:
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Zarathere are some things that I don't yet know how to do, so it would be nice if someone who knows angularjs better than I do could take a look and help out.15:32
SotK#link Patch to make Project Groups page look more like Stories and Projects pages15:32
Zarathanks. :) see the comments on the patch for more!15:33
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* SotK beats the "we need reviews" horse some more15:33
ZaraI should have phrased that like clickbait.15:34
Zara'you won't BELIEVE what this developer said in this patch!!!'15:34
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SotKAnyone have anything else to say about in-progress work?15:35
Zaranot from me. I'll continue to try to fix misc bugs as they appear on my radar.15:36
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SotK#topic Open Discussion15:36
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SotKAnyone have anything they want to raise?15:36
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SotKI guess not :)15:38
SotKMeeting ends in 5...15:39
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erlonhi all!16:01
geguileoAre we having a meeting?16:01
kaisersguess so16:02
smcginnisNot started yet technically.16:02
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geguileoOk, but at least people are here  :-)16:02
DuncanTHas anybody started the runes to summon Thingee?16:02
smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 29 16:03:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:03
* jungleboyj just pinged thingee 16:03
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smcginnisWow, I feel powerful. :)16:03
jungleboyjOooh, smcginnis Knows the magic.16:03
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kmartinsmcginnis, first time?16:03
DuncanTsmcginnis: Agenda at - you have the chair16:03
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Is my hero.16:03
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smcginnis#topic Midcycle logistics16:03
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smcginnisThis is kind of fun.16:04
smcginnisscottda: You're up.16:04
smcginnisthingee: Yay!16:04
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scottdaPlease make sure that if you are physically attending the mid-cycle, that your name is on the list16:04
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smcginnisthingee: No, the responsibility is too much for me. :)16:04
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scottdaThat helps with security, and also for head count at hosted dinners.16:04
scottdaI've put my contact info on the etherpad with my phone #, in case you have issues.16:05
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smcginnisscottda: Is there a meeting point for getting signed in?16:05
scottdaYes, the google map points to Building 3 and I've put in the etherpad to go to the main entrance.16:05
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scottdaalso, kmartin DuncanT and hemna can escort you in.16:06
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vincent_houscottda: Are we gonna have live broadcast for the mid cycle meetup?16:06
thingeescottda: you're awesome for the google maps....16:06
scottdaThat's about all I have to say. Let me know if you've issues or need directions from airport, etc.16:06 maps is easy.16:06
thingeescottda: I swear everytime I walk through these large campuses...just getting dirty looks16:06
scottdavincent_hou: I assume so, we've done that in the past.16:07
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scottdathingee: fit right in.16:07
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* smcginnis just realized if I started the meeting I was stuck in charge. :[16:07
thingeeusually hemna handles that16:07
cebrunsWhat time are we kicking off on Tue?16:07
kmartinvincent_hou, yes, we'll do the google hangout with cameras16:07
jungleboyjkmartin: ++16:07
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breitzwhat time are things starting up on the 4th?16:08
scottdacebruns: Good question. 9:00 AM for official start? I'll be there by 8:30 to get people in, etc.16:08
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ameadescottda: is that mountain time?16:08
* DuncanT will be avoiding the geese this time....16:08
scottdayes, MDT which is UTC + 6:0016:08
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cebrunsscottda: Sounds good.16:09
akerrUTC - 6:0016:09
smcginnisI threw that on the etherpad.16:09
scottdaoh, right akerr16:09
smcginnisscottda: Cool. Any other logistics or info?16:10
scottdano, I think that's it.16:10
smcginnis#topic Midcycle Tuesday Dinner16:10
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smcginnisjungleboyj: ?16:10
jungleboyjI am here.16:10
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jungleboyjThursday night dinner.  So, planning to do it at Austin's.16:11
smcginnisjungleboyj: Want dinner info captured on the etherpad too?16:11
scottdasmcginnis: it all should be there already16:11
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: That would be great.  If people can indicate whether they are coming for THursday so I can get an accurate number.16:11
smcginnisI mean as far as attendance, etc.16:11
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jungleboyjNot sure how may people might be leaving Thursday evening, etc.16:11
smcginnisjungleboyj: Wait, Thursday or Tuesday?16:12
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jungleboyjIf you have any special food requirements let me know because they are going to do a limited menu for the larger group.16:12
jungleboyjThursday night.16:12
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jungleboyjThat is what I have for the meeting minutes.16:12
jungleboyjOr Agenda I mean.16:12
smcginnisjungleboyj: OK, thanks.16:12
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smcginnis#topic Rootwrap daemon mode in liberty16:12
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smcginnisaarefiev: You're up.16:13
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Thanks all!16:13
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smcginnis#link Hours16:13
aarefievI'm here16:13
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aarefievjust one question16:13
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aarefievin kilo it was decided that nova and cinder wait for neutron implements it, today nova have landed related spec16:13
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aarefievdo we want this in L16:14
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smcginnisLooks like we lost half the folks.16:14
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smcginnisWould like to get thingee's input, but he appears to be affected by whatever happened.16:15
smcginnisaarefiev: FWIW, the idea sounds good to me.16:15
jungleboyjthingee had said no for Kilo.16:15
aarefievyep we need thingee16:15
DuncanTaarefiev: My only concern here was to ensure the daemon is tested with very large stdin/out (tens of mb) since that is a pattern we have in the sheepdog driver16:15
jungleboyjI think we are early enough in Liberty it should be ok.16:15
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DuncanTaarefiev: I'll add that to the review16:16
smcginnisDuncanT: Wow, really?16:16
jungleboyjaarefiev: Nova is using it right?16:16
aarefievDuncanT: sure16:16
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aarefievjungleboyj: not yet, on impl phase16:16
aarefievneutron does16:16
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jungleboyjaarefiev: Oh ...16:17
smcginnisaarefiev: Do we need it implemented in nova first?16:17
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smcginnisaarefiev: Not that that should really affect accepting the spec I suppose.16:17
aarefievwy we should waiting for nova16:17
DuncanTsmcginnis: sheepdog backup IIRC16:17
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smcginnisDuncanT: Dang16:18
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smcginnisOK, so until everyone is able to get back, is there anything we can decide here?16:19
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aarefievneutron landed it in kilo, nova working on it now, don't see any reasons to wait for cinder16:19
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DuncanTaarefiev: +116:19
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aarefievDuncanT: thanks, I'll address your comment16:20
DuncanTNeutron is a pretty hard core test case for it... if they're happy, we should be good16:20
smcginnis#action thingee to review
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smcginnisAt least that's captured then. ^^16:20
jungleboyjsmcginnis: ++16:20
jungleboyjIt is good that Neutron is using it.16:20
smcginnisI agree. If there's acceptance elsewhere I think we're probably good.16:21
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smcginnisthingee: Yay!16:21
jungleboyjthree cheers for thingee16:21
smcginnisthingee: Assinging things to you while you were offline. :)16:21
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DuncanTYou've scared him off16:22
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thingeesorry issues with irccloud16:22
smcginnisLost half the attendees in one swoop.16:22
tbarronthat's where ameade went too :-)16:22
smcginnisthingee: Still discussing rootwrap daemon mode.16:23
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tbarronhe's still kicked16:23
smcginnisLooks like it's been accepted in nova a neutron.16:23
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cebrunsSo much for cloud being resilient and scalable.16:23
jungleboyjcebruns: :-)16:23
smcginnisThat cloud stuff.16:23
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thingeeI'm slightly worried on this not getting enough testing.16:23
jungleboyjsmcginnis: They must not be on OpenStack.  :-)16:23
smcginnisjungleboyj: ;)16:24
thingeeI'd like to talk to johnthetubaguy oh his thoughts.16:24
thingeefor merging the spec in late June...that's fine.16:24
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thingeeanyone have similar concerns?16:25
aarefievthingee: also it's optional mode16:25
thingeeaarefiev: that's a good point.16:25
thingeeoff by default I assume16:25
e0newe've got a lot of untested features16:25
smcginnise0ne: +116:25
jungleboyjaarefiev: That is a good thing.16:25
aarefievthingee: yep16:26
thingeeaarefiev: refresh my memory on the cross project discussion with this16:26
e0neofcource, we should care for get it tested16:26
tbarrone0ne: is that a reason to add more?16:26
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e0ne we could test rootwrap deamon in an experimental queue16:27
smcginnise0ne: I like that idea.16:27
e0netbarron: no, it's just a fact16:27
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tbarrone0ne: kk, just checking :-)16:27
tbarronI'm not against rootwrap daemon BTW.16:27
aarefievaarefiev: I think it was discussed that neutron first try this feature16:27
tbarronjust couldn't resist that statement.16:27
thingeeaarefiev: for the record, I gave a -2 on this because I wanted cross project involvement. Nova != cross project approved16:28
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aarefievthingee: and neutron16:28
thingeeReading the comments here, that seems to have been ignored
thingeeaarefiev: not sure if you're ignoring me here too and just throwing project names at me.16:29
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thingeeaarefiev: again, was there discussion cross project about this? I can't remember16:29
aarefievthingee: about what comment you are talking16:29
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thingeefebruary 9th I posted the comment "Based on discussions from the cross projects meeting, Nova is waiting for Neutron to try this. I say we hold off in Cinder as well then."16:30
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thingeeok so there was a cross project discussion16:30
thingeebut based on those comments we agreed that nova can go forward, neutron is holding off.16:30
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thingeeI'm fine with cinder holding off16:30
thingeeI'd recommend you focus on getting things working in Nova16:31
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DuncanTthingee: neutron has merged it... nova went ahead based on neutron success16:31
aarefievthingee: I don't think there was  ones more cross project discussion16:31
aarefiev thingee: after that one you are mentioned16:32
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thingee#action thingee to reevaluate based on other project decisions16:33
smcginnisMaybe an ML discussion to get some more visibility?16:33
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thingeesmcginnis: I don't need discussion. I don't really want something untested this late to be merged in16:33
thingeeUnless someone has a good reason it should16:34
thingeeit's like multi-attach all over again.16:34
smcginnisFair point.16:34
thingeeand people didn't listen to me then16:34
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thingeeI'll look it over again and comment on the review16:34
smcginnisOK, several more things on the agenda. Are we OK to move along?16:35
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: ++16:35
smcginnis#topic Cinder FFE requests16:35
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aarefievthingee: it makes good performance increase on concurrency and wouldn't be used by default16:35
smcginniskaisers: You're up.16:35
kaisersI just wanted to ask if there's a date for FFE decision set up16:36
kaisersI have one out (please see the links in the agenda)16:36
thingeesmcginnis: driver additions are not feature freeze exceptions.16:36
thingeekaisers: ^ whoops16:36
kaisersAnd so far couldn't find out how to prgoress on this16:36
thingeekaisers: I can look over your request again. I will remind you on the ML when you asked for your driver to be accepted again, I pointed out the CI still be unstable.16:37
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kaisersi replied on that (please see the link to the mail archive)16:37
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thingeekaisers: please ping me and don't take up time in this meeting for these vendor needs.16:37
thingeesmcginnis: can we move on?16:37
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smcginnis#topic Cinder Liberty Review16:37
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erlonso, we have a couple of patches that need to get in liberty16:38
thingeeoh my goodness people..16:38
thingeecan we please not use the meeting for this purpose.16:38
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jungleboyjthingee: ++16:38
thingeeerlon: liberty-2 has been tagged16:38
erlonjust need to know if those will be put in that review list16:38
thingeeerlon: please just add it to the etherpad. it's an etherpad.16:38
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smcginniserlon: Yeah, let's just discuss in channel if there are any issues.16:39
jgriffiththingee: +216:39
thingeesmcginnis: move on16:39
smcginnis#topic Unapproved BP queue16:39
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erlonthingee: ok,16:39
smcginnistbarron: Is this you?16:39
thingeetbarron: your bps are approved16:39
tbarronour queue just went away, but have quick policy question16:39
thingeetbarron: ping me next time16:39
thingeesmcginnis: move on16:39
geguileoI have something to say16:39
thingeegeguileo: yes16:39
dannywilsonI have a bp needing approval too16:40
geguileodulek is away, but he wanted me to ask about pushing a spec (has a blueprint)16:40
thingeedannywilson: ping me16:40
dannywilsonthingee: thanks16:40
geguileoIt's basically the spec for the Tooz locks16:40
geguileoI have also just written another spec for that same BP16:40
geguileoThis one is to remove the API races without breaking Cinder-Nova interactions16:40
thingeeJust so people are aware, I did review specs earlier last week and approved some that were ready. I did not approve any this last weekend or so far this week because of the liberty-2 tag. I would appreciate people being mindful of the community deadlines.16:40
thingeebut for the most part, a lot of these specs had -1's16:41
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geguileothingee: Deadline for specs were last week?16:41
geguileoOr are like bps this Friday?16:41
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smcginnisgeguileo, thingee: Ready to move on?16:43
thingeegeguileo: I think you were at pyeuro when we made this decision16:43
thingeesmcginnis: yes16:43
jgriffithgeguileo: I'd like to talk to you about the HA proposals later if you're around?16:43
smcginnis#topic Unit tests for John's replication patch16:43
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geguileothingee: Yep, I was out last week16:43
vilobhmm geguileo : I guess this work is well accepted in Nova..the compare and swap approach16:43
smcginnisjungleboyj: You're on.16:43
thingeegeguileo: I appreciate your write up. I have yet to read it though16:43
geguileojgriffith: Ok16:43
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Hey, thanks.16:43
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thingeejgriffith, geguileo please include me16:43
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jgriffiththingee: yeah... #openstack-cinder16:43
geguileothingee: Ok16:43
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jungleboyjAs we were looking at the patch for replication that John had out we were wondering if we could help with the unit test part.16:44
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jungleboyjvincent_hou: Would be available to do so.16:44
* thingee checks if jgriffith updated the replication spec so he can approve it16:44
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jgriffiththingee: I HAVE NOT, BUT CAN DO SO16:44
jungleboyjjgriffith: Is that ok with you and if so how would you like us to do that?16:44
jgriffithoops.. caps-lock16:44
jgriffithjungleboyj: sure, but honestly I was hoping to get some reviews on the patch itself before adding to it :)16:44
jungleboyjthingee: The capslock was mean for me.  ;-)16:44
thingeejgriffith: I've left a few pings about it. that would be great.16:45
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jgriffiththingee: yeah... sorry, I'll do that today16:45
jungleboyjjgriffith: Right, there are some comments out there.16:45
thingee#action thingee will approve the replication spec this week16:45
jgriffithjungleboyj: yeah, typos :)16:45
jungleboyjjgriffith: We can wait for the right timing but wanted to start the discussion.16:45
thingeeassuming no further stoppers16:45
thingeeand jgriffith can focus in code land16:45
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jgriffithjungleboyj: Finishing the patch up isn't difficult, getting valuable reviews on the other hand seems to be a challenge16:46
jgriffiththingee: +116:46
jgriffithwait... that came out wrong16:46
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jgriffithNot saying the reviews it's received aren't valuable... just saying they're "sparse"16:46
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thingeejgriffith: I think I will have a hard time testing this one.16:46
jgriffithin terms of the number of them16:46
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jgriffiththingee: good point.. impossible to test16:46
jungleboyjOk, so first priority is to get more people doing reviews.16:47
thingeecould just setup a fake driver patch and verify code paths work as expected.16:47
jgriffithjungleboyj: well... "good" reviews16:47
vilobhmmthingee  : regarding nested quota driver for cinder need help with reviews to get this in liberty16:47
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vilobhmmsmcginnis and jungleboyj have been very kind with the reviews16:48
jungleboyjjgriffith: Agreed.  smcginnis, xyang1 , patrickeast hemna   You all are hoping to eventually use replication.  Right?16:48
thingeevilobhmm: reach out to breitz for testing too16:48
vilobhmmi already have 2 patches merged the final piece needs to be merged16:48
hemnajungleboyj, yes16:48
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patrickeastjungleboyj: correct16:48
jungleboyjCan we get your eyes on the patch?16:48
smcginnisjungleboyj: Yes.16:48
* thingee is just going to throw everything at breitz 16:48
vilobhmmthingee : i have finished all the aspects already16:48
xyang1thingee: Yes16:48
hemnajungleboyj, ok I'll take a look at it.  it's in merge conflict at the moment.16:48
thingeevilobhmm: I need to test migration next, but it'll be next on my list16:48
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vilobhmm ; ; if this is reviwed we will have nested support in cinder16:49
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thingeebreitz: I expect a full report :D16:49
smcginnisWe'll try to spend a little more time on it this.16:49
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vilobhmmthanks thingee16:49
vilobhmmsmcginnis : as always thanks for the reviews16:49
jungleboyjsmcginnis: xyang1 hemna Thank you!16:49
smcginnisjungleboyj: Anything else on replication concerns?16:49
smcginnisvilobhmm: NP16:49
jungleboyjjgriffith: vincent_hou Is available for anything you need help with.16:50
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smcginnisLooks like breitz and vincent_hou are getting all the assignments. ;)16:50
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smcginnisjungleboyj: You good?16:51
thingeevincent_hou: volume migration is next on my list for testing16:51
jungleboyjThank you!16:51
smcginnis#topic Open Discussion16:51
smcginnisFor the record, I want to apologize thingee.16:51
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thingeejust got done with image caching16:51
smcginnisI was trying to help out getting things started.16:51
smcginnisI didn't realize that meant I was taking over.16:51
vincent_houthingee: Thx.16:51
smcginnisthingee: Any announcements you wanted to cover?16:51
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thingeesmcginnis: that's fine. I was having irc issues16:51
jungleboyjthingee: Thanks!16:51
thingeeusually I have this stuff started right on the dot16:51
jungleboyjLook all we got done.  smcginnis The task master!16:51
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smcginnisjungleboyj: Hah!16:52
albertomI have a change that needs feedback, not sure if this is the right place to ask for16:52
thingeehave folks been looking at my comments with regards to image caching?16:52
thingeepatrickeast: ping16:52
Swansonthingee: don't be fooled by smcginnis.  It was a failed coup.16:52
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tbarronthingee: yes :-)16:52
smcginnisSwanson: You be quiet!16:53
thingeemy notes on image caching^16:53
thingeewe have two efforts16:53
cebrunsSwanson: :)16:53
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thingeehere's patrick east's reasons on the two
smcginnispatrickeast: That was a nice write up!16:53
thingeelenghty but good read16:53
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thingeeI need discussions to happen on this.16:54
thingeewe have two solutions. I think this results in confusions from the operators perspective.16:54
thingeeI want to avoid that16:54
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smcginnisthingee: Agreed16:54
patrickeastthingee: 100% on board with that16:54
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patrickeastminimal confusion, maximal fast image volume creation16:55
thingeeso please, please people give the time to understand the goals here and lets settle on something.16:55
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cebrunsthingee: +1 - sounds like a good topic for the Meetup16:55
jungleboyjthingee: ++ It is something that would be good to get in.16:55
jungleboyjcebruns: ++16:55
thingeedon't wait for the meetup to understand though16:55
thingeeunderstand things before the meetup16:55
thingeeso discussions are useful and not about getting up to speed16:56
thingeenova liaison is an idea that was brought up from some nova folks like johnthetubaguy16:56
cebrunsAgree - we should do the homework before the meetup.16:56
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thingeeThe likely folks for this role are hemna and scottda__. I'd suggest scottda__, just because hemna has a bunch of stuff on his plate with brick already16:57
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thingeeand scottda__ has been doing an excellent write up of the API issues cinder <-> nova16:57
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thingeeI'd like scottda__ to continue to work with hemna and jgriffith though16:57
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hemnaok sounds good.16:58
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hemnawe have a lot of work to do in this regard16:58
thingeehemna: not going to stop you though. If you want to take it on that's fine too.16:58
smcginnis2 minute warning.16:58
scottda__scottda__, I'm fine either way.16:59
thingeehemna: I think you would be fine for it. I just know you had to give up some of the multi-attach work to focus elsewhere.16:59
smcginnisOn to #openstack-cinder16:59
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thingeethanks everyone16:59
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stevebaker#startmeeting heat20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 29 20:00:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at
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stevebaker#topic rollcall20:00
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tspatzierhi all20:02
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stevebakertspatzier: its just you and me so far :)20:02
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stevebakerzaneb: ping20:02
tspatzierhi stevebaker20:02
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dgonzalezhi :-)20:02
tspatzierah, others rolling in20:02
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stevebaker#topic adding items to the agenda20:03
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stevebaker#topic heat reviews
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randallburtremoved my patch from that list. thanks, stevebaker!20:05
stevebakerrandallburt: ok20:05
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randallburtstevebaker:  looks like the designate stuff can fall off too; I'll remove20:06
stevebakerspecs are merging20:06
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zanebhey y'all20:07
stevebakerI mean *a* spec has merged20:07
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dgonzalezit would be cool if somebody could have a look at my spec regarding multi-region testing (
dgonzalezI am still working on the required changes to openstack-infra, but as soon as this is done i would like to start with the test20:08
skraynev_stevebaker, zaneb: could we also add ASG/RG refactoring in this list?20:09
stevebakerskraynev_: sounds like a good idea20:10
stevebakerdgonzalez: have you talked to infra about a multi region gate setup?20:10
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dgonzalezyes, and i am already working on it with them20:10
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zanebyeah, I +1'd the rolling-update-for-RG patch already. would be good to get some more core eyes20:10
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skraynev_stevebaker: added20:11
dgonzalezstevebaker: see for my proposal to add multi-region support to devstack-gate20:12
stevebakerdgonzalez: sounds like a reasonable plan20:12
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stevebaker#topic Liberty-2 status20:12
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skraynev_zaneb: I plan to look on it tomorrow. do you know that in the last patch we remove inheritance between ASG and RG ?20:13
skraynev_zaneb: I was surprised, when review it :)20:13
zanebskraynev_: yes, removing inheritance is a Good Thing IMHO. it's everything else I'm worried about ;)20:13
stevebakerWe're looking in a reasonable state. If you've completed something which isn't on this list then feel free to update the blueprint status and milestone20:14
stevebakerIf you have a fix for a bug which you think should be in l-2 then set its milestone20:14
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stevebakerotherwise we'll likely tag l-2 in the next day or so20:15
skraynev_stevebaker: +1. I think, that we ready20:15
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stevebaker#topic heat:bundled tag for projects with heat resources20:16
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stevebakerthere is currently a proposal for a devstack tag which can be assigned to projects that have devstack support20:16
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stevebakerOnce that lands I think we should adopt whatever convention is agreed upon and propose a similar tag for heat20:17
stevebakerwhich would be applied to projects that have heat resources in-tree20:18
zanebstevebaker: that is the plan20:18
zanebwe're using this one as a test-case to figure out the shape of these tags20:18
zanebthen there will be a bunch more proposed20:18
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stevebakeryep, and since we have criteria for resources landing in-tree, I assume applying the tag will be just rubber-stamping20:19
zanebyeah, should be simple in our case20:19
zanebalthough you could argue about coverage20:20
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zanebif a project has resources for half of their API, does that count? &c.20:20
zanebin practice I'm not too worried20:20
stevebakerwe may need some criteria that the resources do "something useful"20:20
zanebgiven that we are talking about in-tree stuff (as opposed to devstack), I think it's reasonable for the Heat PTL to be required to sign off20:21
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stevebakerfor example, a designate domain resource wouldn't be much use without the record resource20:21
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stevebakerzaneb: yep, I think the TC should be relieved of the need to ever make a judgement call20:23
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zanebindeed. we can make the judgement call if one is required20:23
stevebakerresounding agreement, lets move on20:24
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zanebin practice, I don't think projects will view this as a box-ticking exercise20:24
stevebaker#topic Open Discussion20:24
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zanebeither they care about Heat support or they don't20:24
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stevebakerAngus has raised a concern about review velocity. Is there a feeling that we could do with more cores?20:25
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stevebakerthings are landing, but there are a couple of people who could benefit heat by being core20:26
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* stevebaker nominates crickets and tumbleweeds to core20:27
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randallburtso nominations are in order then? I don't see why we wouldn't20:28
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zanebreviewstats is down20:28
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skraynev_note, that it's statistic for 90 days period20:29
zanebthanks :)20:30
skraynev_zaneb: np ;)20:31
stevebakerok, expect a nomination email soon20:31
stevebakerthats all I've got, any more open discussion?20:32
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skraynev_stevebaker: suggestion to make more review for refactor ASG/RG and convergence :)20:33
skraynev_nothing else20:33
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stevebakerskraynev_: +120:33
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stevebakerlets wrap up, and reconvene in the #heat20:34
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notmynameswift meeting time20:59
notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul 29 21:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:00
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notmynamewho's here for the swift meeting?21:00
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joeljwrightI'm here21:00
claygjoeljwright: !21:00
notmynameagenda this week is21:00
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notmynamea few patches to go over, but first some general logisitics21:01
notmyname#topic general21:01
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notmynamehackathon etherpad was set up by hurricanerix and can be used to collect some thoughts and topics before we get to austin21:01
notmynameso if you've got stuff you want to discuss, please add it21:02
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notmynamewe'll do the same we've done in the past by making a big list of things on the first morning, but this can seed that list21:02
notmynameso as you think of stuff, write it down!21:02
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notmynamealso, the ops midcycle is coming up
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notmynameany questions from anyone on either of those?21:03
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notmynameok, let's move on to the meaty stuff21:03
notmyname#topic patches: flake8 changes21:04
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notmynamethis is part of the general move to support py3 set of stuff21:04
notmynamehowever this one has some implications21:04
notmynamefirst, why this patch?21:04
hayponotmyname: is it a question? :-p21:05
notmynameyeah, I was trying to type up where it started21:05
hayponotmyname: the main idea is to reduce technical debt in swift21:05
claygI don't like blacklists, and I don't understand who broke - i would prefer to not merge without other information21:05
haypohacking 0.8 is now quite old21:05
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haypotechnically, hacking 0.8 is incompatible with pbr 1.021:06
haypobut we need pbr >= 1.0 since yesterday, environment markers are now used on dnspython21:06
notmynameah, that's it21:06
haypothe "; python_version == '2.7'" prat21:06
notmynamednspython is using pbr? or just newer env markers?21:06
haypoclayg: " I don't understand who broke" sorry, could you please elaborate?21:06
haypomy patch doesn't disable existing tests, but it enables more (new) tests21:07
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hayponotmyname: env markers21:07
sigmavirus24clayg: the break was in pep8 between 1.4.5 and 1.4.621:07
notmynameso py3 needs new dnspython which needs newer pbr which needs newer hacking21:07
sigmavirus24haypo's link in his commit message is the wrong line though21:07
hayponotmyname: you need pbr in swift to support env markers21:07
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claygremember when we used to just need setuptools 0.6 and like *everyone* already had setuptools 0.6 - those were the days21:07
notmynameok, so that's the "why was this patch even proposed", ultimately21:07
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hayponotmyname: hum, even for python 2, you will need pbr >= 1.0 to get new global requirements21:08
claygnotmyname: got it!21:08
redboneed is such a strong word21:08
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clayg"to get global requirements" isn't really an value prop :\21:08
notmynamebut the implication is that now the flake8 tests are a blacklist of things to not test instead of a whitelist21:08
notmynamethat's the big part I want to discuss21:08
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sigmavirus24notmyname: right and that's for the foreseeable future21:08
clayg^ that feels like a break, i used to use the tool like this, but it won't let you do that anymore21:08
notmynameclayg: I tend to agree21:09
hayponotmyname: technically, i didn't try to keep the existing approach (whitelist)21:09
sigmavirus24clayg: "now" for 2 years21:09
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notmynameclayg: well, wait, that's not actually true21:09
sigmavirus24haypo: that would be more verbose21:09
notmynamehere's what happened21:09
hayponotmyname: the practical problem is that hacking 0.10 adds a lot of new checks, like in the E category, and i wanted to propose a short patch21:09
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hayponot propose a patch upgrading hacking 0.10 and modifying 1000 files to fix new checks21:09
notmynamenewer flake8 has newer tests, at least one of which we dont' want. but we can't have both select and ignore (even with the current state of things--we just aren't ignoring a subset now)21:10
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sigmavirus24notmyname: correct21:10
notmynameso to ignore the newer Fxxx test, we have to list all the ones we ignore instead of selecting the ones we want to check21:10
clayghacking adds "E" checks!?  I thought hacking added "H" checks?21:10
sigmavirus24and while that fix will land in pep8 hopefully after I get time to fix it, it'll be released in 1.6.x which hacking 0.10.x won't use21:10
haypoclayg: "E" comes from pep8, "H" comes from hacking21:11
sigmavirus24clayg: pep8 adds checks during each 1.y release21:11
notmynamehaypo: which was the Fxxx test we talked about ignoring21:11
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clayghaypo: oh, so i mis read "hacking 0.10 adds a lot of new checks, like in the E category"21:11
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sigmavirus24notmyname:  probably redefinition of a var inside a list comprehension21:11
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notmynameyeah, that one21:11
sigmavirus24(which is only a problem on Py2)21:11
hayponotmyname: my patch ignores 7 new E checks and 2 new F checks,
notmynameso we could scrub the repo for it so it passes. would that allow us to keep the blacklist method?21:12
notmynamehaypo: ah, o21:12
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claygI'm fine with this change uprades the test requirement from pep8 1.2.3 to pep8 1.3.1 and fixes all the breaks21:12
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haypoi'm volunteer to fix checks which make sense, if you will accept such changes21:12
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haypo(well, docstring is not my first target for example)21:13
notmynameclayg: did you accidentally a word?21:13
clayg"redefinition of a var inside a list comprehension" <- that's a flake8 check not pep8 check right?21:13
claygI'm fine to ignore flake8 checks21:13
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sigmavirus24clayg: that's a pyflakes check21:13
haypoclayg: pep8 comes from hacking. we don't specify pep8 requirement directly21:13
haypoclayg: hacking is a meta-package for pep8+flake8 (and pyflakes), which defines the expected version21:13
clayghaypo: well... i guess that's one way to do it21:13
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clayghaypo: I am aware of that point, I also know that the version requirements in hacking are loose and you can *install* a version of pep8 that will acctually break your pep8 checks on the swift code base but still be "compatible" with hacking21:14
haypoclayg: upgrading pep8 alones will not fix the issue of pbr version (support pbr >= 1.0)21:14
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sigmavirus24clayg: actually hacking pins pep821:14
claygok, well - i think you're saying these are seperate issues and they agree21:15
hayposigmavirus24: hum, we may add a line _after_ the hacking dependency?21:15
sigmavirus24clayg: hacking 0.8.0 is incompatible with pbr 1.x and that's why haypo is doing this21:15
claygsigmavirus24: was that always true!  it's quite possible I have misremembered fucking around trying to get flake8+pep8+hacking to all line up and not yell at me while hacking on swift!21:15
haypobut i'm not a fan of trying to downgrade pep8 after hacking installed a newer version21:15
sigmavirus24haypo: there's been discussion of hacking handling those deps directly and removing them from g-r/test-requirements.txt21:15
sigmavirus24haypo: that shouldn't happen21:16
hayponotmyname: sorry, but what is your main concern about the blacklist approach?21:16
claygi'd rather opt into F and H checks21:16
hayponotmyname: do you fear that hacking adds new checks which will break gates?21:16
sigmavirus24haypo: I think notmyname's concern is new checks will be added and slip in on an upgrade21:16
notmynamehaypo: sigmavirus24: so is one option to ignore the F checks entirely?21:16
clayg<- personally21:16
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sigmavirus24notmyname: if you want no checks from pyflakes at all, that will work21:16
hayponotmyname: you mean E and F and H?21:16
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sigmavirus24pyflakes warns about unused imports, vars, and other things21:16
hayponotmyname: if you ignore E, F and H, ... hum, no more checks are executed?21:17
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hayponotmyname: my patch ignores checks in categories E, F and H :-/ --
zaitcevI am against opting in, for the reason in haypo's words "Blacklisting checks permits to detect new bugs when upgrading the tools."21:17
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haypozaitcev, notmyname : sorry, i don't know how hacking handles upgrades, but i expect that *no* new test is added in minor releases21:18
zaitcevThat presumes a certain goodwill on the part of toolmakers, however. If they start loading us up with moronic useless checks, I'm going to change my mind.21:18
claygzaitcev: did i read that correctly?  "new version of tool, can't commit to swift until you add a change to ignore the new rule you care about" is a +2 from zaitcev?21:18
notmynamethe difference is a blacklist will keep the code from unexpectedly breaking if the gate updates a dependency. the whitelist approach is that we automatically are tested against every new changes that's added21:18
sigmavirus24haypo: correct21:18
haypoplease remind that nova, cinder, neutron, etc. are all using hacking 0.10 with the blacklist config21:18
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haypoit would be a major outage to add random new test in nova, cinder, neutron, etc.21:18
claygzaitcev: we currently think most H rules are - well I wouldn't call them "moronic" - just we've explicitly decided they don't apply to improving the maintainability of swift21:19
torgomaticEh, I don't think it's that big a deal. If we lock down the hacking version (and we do), then no new version can sneak in, hence no new tests to break stuff. When we upgrade hacking, we blacklist all the new checks.21:19
sigmavirus24torgomatic: right21:19
haypothat's why the requirements is : hacking<0.11,>=0.10: it's a deliberate choice to block hacking 0.11.x21:19
zaitcevclayg: Yes. Basically I'm betting that the scenario you're describing isn't going to be happening often, or that we opt to fix the bugs it finds instead of adding ignore rules.21:19
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claygtorgomatic: ok i like that - but we currently give hacking a window - not a pin21:19
haypoi don't understand why you expect issues specific to Swift21:19
sigmavirus24clayg: as hacking core I can guarantee 0.10.x will see no new rules21:19
claygtorgomatic: and this is just us trying to move to the next window (technically we managed to skip one)21:19
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haypoall openstack are now using hacking with the same config21:19
torgomaticIt's a little more work, but we upgrade hacking every year or two at most, so meh21:20
claygsigmavirus24: oh fair enough - but full me tiwce ;)21:20
claygtorgomatic: +2 I can live21:20
sigmavirus24clayg: I only became a core at the summit so21:20
haypohacking is part of OpenStack, it's different of projets which are managed outside OpenStack21:20
haypohacking developers is well aware of the mess of broken gates ;-)21:20
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notmynamehaypo: not "expect", but this is the repo we deal with, so we want to avoid setting potential land mines for ourselves21:20
hayposigmavirus24: hey, congrats :)21:20
sigmavirus24Thanks ... if congratulations is the right thing to offer =P21:21
hayponotmyname: if someone goes bad, you can now complain to sigmavirus24 :-D21:21
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haypoif something*21:21
sigmavirus24as you would with flake8, pep8, mccabe, pyflakes, requests, ... ,etc21:21
acolesregardless of blacklist or whitelist, my concern with the patch is that it ignores Exxx rules that are not ignored on master e.g. E113 so it weakens the test21:21
hayposorry, i'm tired. it's 23:21 here :-) (if something goes wrong, ...)21:21
peluse_Im' tired too - its 2:21pm here :)21:22
haypoacoles: oh, please tell me if you see checks which are ignored with my patch, but not ignored before21:22
notmynameok, so as I hear it right now, zaitcev thinks it's fine, torgomatic thinks it's unlikely to happen often, and clayg got beat down. cschwede: tdasilva: kota_: acoles: what do you thing?21:22
acoleshaypo already fixed the patch to include E251, which was being ignored21:22
acoleshaypo: E11321:22
haypoacoles: from my understanding, some E rules became more strict21:22
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peluse_hey what about what I think??21:22
sigmavirus24^ that's a possibility with pep821:22
acoleshaypo: maybe but we shoudlnt just switch them off if they got stricter21:22
haypoacoles: and i'm volunteer to fix quickly new (and old) checks :)21:22
clayghaypo: i doubt there's a new pep8 - probably the tool got better at enforcing it21:23
haypoacoles: agreed. that's why i already updated my patch to E251 checks21:23
claygacoles: +2, let make the change that says "install latest pep8 and fix all the breaks" - might make this next part easier?21:23
cschwedenotmyname: no big objections from my side21:23
acoleshaypo: but how do i know what was not ignored before and now is without trial and error - where is there a list of new Exxx codes for hacking 0.1021:23
* notmyname notices the discrepancy between "they won't go break checks on you" and "we ignore these now because they got stricter"21:23
sigmavirus24notmyname: hacking didn't break that. pep8 did21:23
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sigmavirus24probably back in early 1.5.xs21:24
notmynameI don't care who breaks it. it keeps my code from landing21:24
claygsigmavirus24: but hacking PINS pep8?21:24
sigmavirus24clayg: correct21:24
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haypoacoles: i would prefer to propose separated patches for fix issues21:24
sigmavirus24y'all don't need hacking in the gate =P21:24
haypoacoles: oterwise, my patch may become too large :-(21:24
claygok, anyway - i'm happy to be told it'll all be fine, this isn't my #1 priority21:24
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haypoacoles: i'm talking about checks which became more strict21:24
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sigmavirus24none of you seem to like it so21:24
claygI think acoles is making a good point - let's just stick with our goals21:25
notmynameclayg: so the issue is that without this py3 is dead in the water21:25
claygwe do E, we generally like F, H is pretty meh21:25
acoleshaypo: ok but then reverse the dependency - small patches to fix stuff that breaks with stricter existing checks, then bump the version21:25
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claygacoles: seems like the best way to go about it21:25
acoleshaypo: so the patch taking us to hacking 0.10 has fewer ignores when it lands21:25
haypoacoles: i prefer to upgrade hacking first21:25
haypoacoles: it's easier to enable more checks after21:26
claygacoles: as long as the ignores are a couple of F's and H's21:26
notmynamesigmavirus24: we're a complicated, grumpy group. don't assume we don't like it yet or can't come up with an answer ;-)21:26
haypoand it unblocks my issue21:26
acoleshaypo: but then if the other patches don;t land....?21:26
sigmavirus24notmyname: I totally grok the grump part21:26
haypoacoles: it's your role to then review my following patches :)21:26
haypoacoles: it's just a matter of days21:26
acoleshaypo: yah i know :D21:26
sigmavirus24I'm the grumpy person on my team despite being the youngest21:26
acoleshaypo: but days become weeks all too easy round here ;)21:27
haypoacoles: i expect very short patches in fact21:27
haypoit's just a mess to handle a patch serie in gerrit21:27
haypoi hate doing that21:27
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notmynameacoles: so what is your idea? keep the current checks, fix for tighter checks, then bump the version?21:27
notmyname...version of hacking21:28
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hayponotmyname, acoles : if you really want to ensure that old checks are not disabled, i would prefer to work on a single giant patch21:28
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notmynamehaypo: and you want to bump hacking now and fix check later by readding the checks21:28
claygnotmyname: if the question was "will a blacklist approach going to fly" torgomatic and others seem to have answered yes21:28
notmynameyeah, I was just noticed we kinda moved past that21:28
torgomaticand it removes that py3 blocker in quite a short time21:28
acolesnotmyname: my idea is that stuff that would fail on master should still fail after any patch lands, not rely on the promise that we will claw back in future21:28
hayponotmyname: i check to start on a fresh and well designed basis, with a list of ignored checks21:28
claygok, so now we're just reviewing the patch - black list is fine - but why is it removing checks we want instead of fixing the offenders?21:29
acolesnotmyname: sounds like that could require a bigger patch to fix up for stricter checks21:29
hayponotmyname: and then fix checks. it will be more explicit, because these patches will _enable_ checks21:29
haypoclayg: i don't know which tests are old or new21:29
notmynameyeah, I feel that a promise to readd checks is like a promise to write tests and docs later.21:29
acolesclayg: +121:29
haypoclayg: i simply ignored all checks which made tox -e pep8 to fail21:30
clayghaypo: we like E, F is gnerally good, H is meh21:30
zaitcevsick burn21:30
clayghaypo: ok, well no one likes that approach21:30
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clayghaypo: sorry :\21:30
torgomaticI kind of do, actually21:30
claygok then!21:30
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torgomaticit's not like we have those checks today, right?21:31
acoleshaypo: do you have any idea how big the patch would be with no E ignored and the fixes made to pass pep8? we can review big patches :)21:31
claygtorgomatic: go +2 it - haypo  you only need one more21:31
acolestorgomatic: some we do21:31
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haypoacoles: no21:31
acoleslike E11321:31
haypoacoles: you can see the topic pep821:31
haypoacoles: i wrote other patches to fix pep8 checks21:31
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clayghaypo: those titles look like H checks?21:32
torgomaticthis change doesn't run less checks than before.”21:32
haypofor example, fixing H232 only changes a single file (two lines)21:32
torgomatic^^ from the commit message21:32
haypoclayg: giant patches fixes a lot of things, but i don't remember which checks21:32
notmynameI think we're getting into patch review which can stay in gerrit (or the -swift channel)21:33
claygnotmyname: well hold on21:33
haypotorgomatic: that's my bet, but acoles says that i'm wrong, i disabled some existing tests21:33
* notmyname holds21:33
claygnotmyname: there's a bunch of patches here21:33
haypotorgomatic: because they became more strict21:33
claygnotmyname: do we have a plan or is it just "go review"21:33
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hayponotmyname: well, you should take a decision, we will not spend the whole meeting on this issue, no?21:34
tdasilvaI might be missing something here, but it seems like a good compromise would be chained patches?21:34
acolestorgomatic: so with E251 it seems it got stricter, haypo saw some fails and then disabled it, but now haypo has done the work to fix the fails, which is great21:34
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notmynamefeels like it's even more complicated than when it was introduced as a discussion21:34
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torgomaticacoles: haypo: got it, thanks21:34
acolestorgomatic: but i just randomly broke E113 on master so there's another example but none of us seem to know which E tests exist on master21:34
haypoi don't understand why you care so much in the order in which patches are merged21:35
torgomaticheh, I can't even get my code to pass unit tests, much less a linter21:35
claygok, well a promise to "fix it later" is a fair bit more nebulous than "here's a chain the ignores some rules and then systematically enables them"21:35
notmynameI think the resolution for now is that we need to review these. especially acoles and torgomatic21:35
haypoIMHO in 3 weeks, all checks, old and new will be fixed, that's all :-p21:35
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acoleshaypo: btw really appreciate the work you have done, concern is just with ordering the changes21:35
notmynamehaypo: I definitely agree with acoles. thank you for sticking with this21:35
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claygacoles: if the code is already written do you care about the order of the patches?21:36
hayponotmyname: well, its up to you21:36
clayghaypo: is there a final patch I can checkout and see yup, all tests pass and no checks i care about are ignored - then just go +2 everyhting above it?21:36
acolesclayg: not if they all merge :) i guess we'll eventually be consistent with master21:37
haypoclayg: no. i didn't write all patches yet21:37
haypoclayg: usually, i send a few patches, and wait until they are reviewed21:37
haypoclayg: it's really easy to fix pep8 checks...21:37
claygsure i useually do that too21:37
clayghaypo: the harder part is the conflicts in other patches when you merge them?21:38
notmynameok, we've got to move on to a few other things in the meeting :-)21:38
haypoclayg: some checks are really coding style. i don't know if you want to enable _all_ pep8 checks21:38
haypolike the coding style for docstrings?21:38
acolesnotmyname: tomorrow i will take haypo patch and enable all the Exxx and see how bad things are21:38
clayges all pep8 checks - most flake8 checks - basically no hacking checks (it was already in the tox file describing what we want)21:38
haypothat's why i preferred to ignore tests, and _then_ discuss which tests are important21:38
notmynameacoles: thanks21:38
notmynameok, next one should be briefer21:39
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notmyname#topic patches: test-requirements updates21:39
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claygacoles: sigh, bigger fish man21:39
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notmynamethis one is more of a "what do you think". it updates the test-requirements to match global requirements.21:39
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notmynamemostly an FYI, I guess. not a real big question21:40
notmyname#topic patches: accept header in responses21:40
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claygyeah it's fine - this helps someone?21:40
notmynamecschwede: you brought this one up21:40
zaitcevWhat in the world is "pbr at least 1.3"? I only have
notmynameclayg: hopefully us. to prevent any gate issues (seems like they've come up more recetly)21:41
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cschwedeyes; i was worried if there are clients that send a „accept:json“ header and currently expect html in case of an error21:41
cschwedebecause that’S what it is today. and that change would fix this, but might break these clients21:41
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torgomaticif you say you accept json but don't accept json...21:42
cschwedeso, i’m fine with fixing this, but wondering if that needs to land in a new swift release?21:42
claygcschwede: I think it's a fair question - but what's your leaning?21:42
notmynamewhat's the content type on the response? if that changes too, it's better21:42
claygcschwede: I don't think a swift version so muchs - maybe it needs an new api version - for some reason I think it will be fine21:42
cschwedenotmyname: text/html now, json then21:42
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cschwedeclayg: yes, i tend to think the same. just wanted to raise this before putting a +2 on it21:43
notmynamecschwede: if this doesn't change anything when the accept doesn't have json in it, then we should be ok21:43
claygcschwede: good call21:43
cschwedeand hear if most of us agree with this21:43
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zaitcevI think I already put +2 on it, but considering how clients didn't like "Etag", this is a possibility.21:44
notmynameand in that case, we rolled back21:44
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claygyup could break things - safer to just say no21:44
claygyeah we could do it and roll back if we get bit21:44
claygfeels kinda arbitrary to let this one slide - but I'm game if ya'll are!21:44
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notmynameredbo: what do you think?21:45
claygredbo thinks "bigger fish man, bigger fish"21:45
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notmynameaccording to the bug report on this one, a user expected json then worked around it21:46
redboI've never even seen a client that looks at the repsonse bodies.  But then I wonder why we need this.21:46
notmynameso what' clayg said ;-)21:46
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mattoliverauI think, if they ask for json, we return json. The clients obviously are using some json library if asking for json, so we're fixing a bug, and they have the tools to fix the clients.. but maybe I'm grumpy cause I'm still sick :P21:47
zaitcevredbo: It's for the recent crop of GUI things. They want to pop dialogs on error and they don't want to scrape so junk gets into various fields.21:47
notmynameclayg: you should probably explain that for swift devs who don't know english (US?) idioms ;-)21:47
redboIf they send "Accept: image/jpeg", we should render a jpeg that says "404 not found" and return it21:47
claygredbo: oh that's be a great feature!  can't wait to review!21:47
minwoob_redbo: ^ lol21:47
clayg^ notmyname you can't translate this level of sarcasm21:47
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zaitcevokay, so the point is that this feature request conflates the format of listings with format of error bodies.21:48
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notmynamezaitcev: actually that's the fist "this fixes a real bug for someone" I've heard so far21:49
notmynameso that's good.21:49
notmynameif we've got users who need this, then I'm inclined to let it land. if this is just for some sense of "right" then no21:49
zaitcevwe're one step away from "X-Error-Accept:" now.21:49
claygzaitcev: no I dont' think that's the point - everyone thinks it's not that useful to return html to command line api clients - it just what it does today21:49
claygnotmyname: that's a good call!  who needs this!?21:49
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zaitcevclayg: yeah and I saw truncated logs21:50
notmynamezaitcev says UI people. who is this?21:50
claygtruncated logs?21:50
clayganyway - honestly - like swiftclient could use this21:50
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claygI hate the fact it spits html onto the screen - but thank the gods it didn't try to beautiful soup it21:51
notmynamedo it for joeljwright!21:51
clayglet's just do it - yawn21:51
claygcschwede: thanks for asking!21:51
notmynameok, good21:51
cschwedeclayg: yw :)21:51
notmyname#topic versions middleware21:51
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notmynamedidn't land like we said last week we said we were going to do21:52
notmynametdasilva: put together a good doc on the test areas21:52
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mattoliverauthat was probably my fault :P21:52
notmynameso what's blocking this?21:52
mattoliverauI confused clayg with my comments :)21:52
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claygmattoliverau: notmyname: no it's good tdasilva fixed some issues last week - it's better than ever now21:53
claygif you haven't review that patch in the last few weeks you should!  I bet you'll +2 it - it's a good change21:53
tdasilvathanks to clayg and mattoliverau for bringing up those issues21:53
notmynamegreat! let's merge it this week then! it's required for some other ongiong work and needs to get out of the way21:53
zaitcevI reviewed it 6 patches back and it was okay. But I need to re-read.21:54
claygtdasilva: thanks for being so diligent and doing all the work - amazing!21:54
notmynameok, last topic we'll have time for21:54
notmyname#topic encryption update21:54
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notmynamejrichli filled that in with details21:54
acolesyes, great stuff tdasilva21:54
notmynamejrichli: thanks21:54
notmynamejrichli: what is there to report this week on encryption? what's blocking you or where do you need extra eyes?21:55
notmynameacoles is back, so that helps :-)21:55
acolesnotmyname: you fool yourself21:55
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jrichliI am working on the support for footers right now.21:55
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jrichliIt's going to be my frankenstein for awhile.  After/if I get something working, it would still need lots of refactoring.21:55
jrichliit would be good to get some conversations going on those issues21:55
notmynamejrichli: did you get any feedback on the stuff you put in the etherpad yet?21:56
notmynamewe had asked for that last week, and you did it, so we owe you feedback21:56
jrichliclayg gave me some feedback, to which I replied21:56
notmynamethanks clayg!21:56
jrichliand hrou has been giving me good feedback on encryption reviews21:56
claygnotmyname: meh, not sure i'm helping21:57
jrichliclayg: you are!  just need more of that :-)21:57
jrichlimaybe skype with acoles like you mentioned earlier21:57
jrichliand me21:57
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notmynameok, anything else on encryption?21:58
jrichlinotmyname: lol21:58
acolesjrichli: wfm21:58
mattoliverauI'll give it a read today, but be warned my brain is firing on 1/2 the cylinders.. but reading is someting I can handle :)21:58
jrichlimattoliverau: thx!21:58
jrichlinotmyname: no, thats all i guess21:58
claygmattoliverau: have you looked over the wiki - there's some big gaps that are not quite just "pls revw" - we don't know how some parts are supposed to work21:59
clayge.g. conditional if-match GETs21:59
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claygmattoliverau: jrichli did a great job explaining what is not figured out yet21:59
clayg... on the wiki21:59
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claygmattoliverau: i haven't gotten down to all of the issues either :'(21:59
mattoliverauclayg: I'll make sure I look at that too :)22:00
notmynameand we're out of time22:00
acolesclayg: does wiki==etherpad?22:00
mattoliverauI can at least get started22:00
notmynameacoles: yes22:00
claygacoles: thank you sir - yes ->
notmynamethanks for coming. and thanks for working on swift22:00
claygnot wiki :'(22:00
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