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| zhipeng | hello tricirclle team | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | hi | 13:01 |
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| zhipeng | should we start the meeting now? | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:03 |
| gampel | hi | 13:03 |
| zhipeng | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 29 13:03:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhipeng. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:04 |
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| zhipeng | #topic Roll Call | 13:04 |
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| zhipeng | card punching time :P | 13:04 |
| zhipeng | #info zhipeng | 13:04 |
| gampel | #info gampel | 13:04 |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:04 |
| zhipeng | is saggi around? | 13:05 |
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| gampel | saggi will not join us today | 13:05 |
| zhipeng | okey | 13:05 |
| zhipeng | #topic Design BP | 13:05 |
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| zhipeng | let's try to use irc command more | 13:05 |
| zhipeng | start with #info to share your thoughts :P | 13:06 |
| zhipeng | #info zhiyuan | 13:06 |
| joehuang | #info I just update the DB design, to reduce the duplication with keystone | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | hwo about your ideas? | 13:06 |
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| gampel | ok looks good i will go over it after the meeting | 13:07 |
| joehuang | #info the project id should be in the mapping table | 13:07 |
| joehuang | I missed it | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | and I am afraid that the table size will grow to very large for the mapping table | 13:08 |
| gampel | can you add a section describing how we work with one keystone | 13:08 |
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| joehuang | hence, shall we split it into servral table or not? | 13:09 |
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| zhiyuan | yes, since most of the resources need a mapping entry | 13:09 |
| gampel | you mean by type of resource ? | 13:09 |
| joehuang | ok, I'll do that. Today I am in lab to prepare the CJK VPN connection, not update the doc | 13:10 |
| joehuang | #action update the doc for how to work with KeyStone, joehuang | 13:10 |
| gampel | joe: do you mean create a table per resource ? | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | looks good | 13:11 |
| joehuang | for example, cinder object mapping in one table, nova resource mapping in another table | 13:11 |
| joehuang | or just use project id as the sharding key. | 13:12 |
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| joehuang | we can built in sharding capability into the DAL layer | 13:12 |
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| joehuang | so that if the table grows large we have a way to split it into several small tables | 13:13 |
| gampel | this is a good idea ? | 13:13 |
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| joehuang | to gamel, your question? | 13:14 |
| gampel | so we have a table per bottom site | 13:14 |
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| joehuang | per bottom site may be not so good idea, for sometimes you may have to query mutiple tables | 13:15 |
| joehuang | may we make the sharding policy being configurable? | 13:15 |
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| gampel | so what do you mean "sharding capability " so group of bottom site in one table | 13:16 |
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| joehuang | per bottom site or per project or per AZ | 13:16 |
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| joehuang | let me see how to do a sharding in case of the table become large | 13:18 |
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| joehuang | how about the task flow | 13:19 |
| zhiyuan | before that, one thing I would like to discuss | 13:19 |
| joehuang | #topic task flow in cascade service | 13:19 |
| zhiyuan | do we need to maintain a session reference in a context? as I understand, information in context can be used for policy check, but we can finish policy check before database access | 13:19 |
| joehuang | please | 13:19 |
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| gampel | i though of context to understand who is query the DB admin/ tenant user etc | 13:20 |
| joehuang | the Nova/cinder/Neutron API should have done the policy check, isn't it? | 13:20 |
| gampel | yes but we have cascading service api as well | 13:21 |
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| gampel | they query/update the DAL | 13:21 |
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| joehuang | cascade servcice API mainly for admin, do you mean we will open the cascade service API to tenant? | 13:22 |
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| gampel | For the moment it seem that it is , but we might need roles and responsibility API | 13:23 |
| zhipeng | by concept tenants shouldn't be aware of cascade service | 13:23 |
| zhiyuan | in my opinion, the context will be passed to a function like query_mapping, query_mapping will use the information in context to finish policy check, then issue a database access | 13:24 |
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| zhiyuan | session is created before the database access | 13:24 |
| gampel | I think that this will be a good infrastructure to allow different rules in the cascading API | 13:25 |
| zhiyuan | but not included in the context | 13:25 |
| gampel | One context is form the API maybe different admin rules and another context is from the running service | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | Zhiyuan, is it difficult to include session in the context | 13:27 |
| gampel | sorry i mean roles | 13:27 |
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| joehuang | the session lifecycle is shorter that other information like project, roles, etc | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | if the session is over, then shall we remove it from the context? | 13:30 |
| zhiyuan | it's easy. I just feel like a bit strange. context and session are separated in nova, but together in neutron ... | 13:30 |
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| gampel | what do they do in nova ? | 13:30 |
| zhiyuan | both session and context are passed to the database handler | 13:31 |
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| gampel | but if you pass the context any way it make sense to have the session as a member | 13:32 |
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| gampel | zhiyuan: if you feel this work is not needed we could discuss this offline | 13:33 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, I just want the core database part not depend on the context | 13:34 |
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| joehuang | Zhiyuan /Gampel, one question, if the task flow access the DB many times, whill the session changed in different DB access | 13:34 |
| gampel | yes i agree | 13:35 |
| zhipeng | #topic task flow in cascade service | 13:35 |
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| gampel | i think that the task compiler an dependency builder will access the db with one session | 13:36 |
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| zhipeng | hi okrieg | 13:37 |
| joehuang | #info it'll be difficult to process the intermidiate result produfced during the task flow if we using mistral | 13:37 |
| joehuang | #info therefore I would prefer to use the task flow like what used in the Cinder, but not to have dependency on Mistral | 13:38 |
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| gampel | mistral support passing results to next taskflow | 13:38 |
| gampel | you mean the API combination ? | 13:38 |
| joehuang | but some result should be processed by the cascade service | 13:39 |
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| joehuang | for example, during a VM boot task flow | 13:39 |
| joehuang | you have to record the object uuid mapping | 13:39 |
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| gampel | you mean the port status and vm status | 13:39 |
| joehuang | the cascade service should be aware of some new created objects and persist the mapping in the DB | 13:40 |
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| gampel | I will check if mistral support providing response | 13:41 |
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| gampel | any way we could have the task exe as a pluggable module | 13:41 |
| joehuang | that's a good idea | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | #info task flow exec should be pluggable module | 13:42 |
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| gampel | #action gampel check what mistral supports and which taskflow we want in the reference implementation | 13:43 |
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| joehuang | hi, okrieg back | 13:44 |
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| zhipeng | #topic cascade dal | 13:45 |
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| joehuang | I heard that Saggi is sick, sorry to hear that | 13:45 |
| gampel | i will let him know :) | 13:45 |
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| zhipeng | bring our regards to him :) | 13:47 |
| joehuang | I think we can have a runable framework for the first BP, but not to do to much | 13:47 |
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| gampel | yes we need to start working on the dependency builder and the task compiler | 13:47 |
| joehuang | more patches to the framework but still working | 13:47 |
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| joehuang | agree | 13:49 |
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| zhipeng | zhiyuan anything want to discuss about the dal | 13:50 |
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| joehuang | the DAL part will grow as more features includes | 13:52 |
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| gampel | #info "port status" and other site-localized information collection | 13:53 |
| joehuang | currently we have a basis to start, that's enough | 13:53 |
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| zhiyuan | zhipeng: it's discussed in the previous section :) | 13:53 |
| gampel | we analyzed how to do the port-status caching mechanism (we discussed this last week).. | 13:53 |
| joehuang | can we add thought about "port status" in the doc | 13:54 |
| gampel | we think the poll approach will not scale, we need something else | 13:54 |
| joehuang | interesting | 13:54 |
| gampel | we think we need to introduce a "bottom" service (like "cascaded service" or something) that will handle bottom data collection (and other tasks) locally | 13:55 |
| gampel | like, l2gw, port-status monitoring (and push it up to the "top"), | 13:55 |
| joehuang | the local service should be aware of status change | 13:56 |
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| gampel | it will let us synchronize different network implementations (vlan<->vxlan<->ovn<-stt ... ) | 13:56 |
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| gampel | we're still working on it, but we think that it should implement the L2GW API, and maybe other APIs as well (should probably be a pluggable system with extensions) | 13:57 |
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| zhipeng | gampel i think this is what joehuang mentioned before, the bottom service | 13:57 |
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| joehuang | if so, you have to tough bottom OpenStack. Will all vendor of the distributions will allow a new servici to insert | 13:58 |
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| gampel | okay, maybe I missed it... | 13:58 |
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| gampel | the "local cascaded service" needs to be designed like a pluggable driver(s) that each distribution can implement | 13:59 |
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| joehuang | need more discussion | 14:00 |
| zhipeng | global cascade service plug to the top, whereas the local ones plug to the bottom | 14:00 |
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| gampel | as for making a change to the bottom instance - it will not. it's just another service you deploy to enable participation in the "Cascading Cloud". (not different from L2GW) | 14:00 |
| joehuang | we can discuss in the m-l | 14:00 |
| gampel | @zhipeng - yes, I think you're right | 14:00 |
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| gampel | @joehung - yes, that's probably a good idea :) | 14:01 |
| joehuang | please trigger a discussion in m-l | 14:01 |
| zhipeng | #action discuss pluggable cascade service module on bottom | 14:01 |
| zhipeng | okey let's wrap up the meeting, got a lot of AIs :) | 14:02 |
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| gampel | I agree | 14:02 |
| zhipeng | thanks for you guys participating. | 14:02 |
| gampel | thank you guys | 14:02 |
| joehuang | yes. thanks a lot | 14:02 |
| joehuang | bye | 14:02 |
| zhipeng | bye | 14:03 |
| zhiyuan | bye~~ | 14:03 |
| zhipeng | #endmeeting | 14:03 |
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| SotK | Anyone here for the StoryBoard meeting? | 15:00 |
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| Zara | o/ | 15:01 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 29 15:01:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
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| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 15:01 |
| SotK | #topic Urgent Items | 15:01 |
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| SotK | #info Reviews are still a bit of a blocker. There are a whole bunch of patches which need review from someone other than myself or Zara. | 15:01 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/(project:openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient+OR+project:openstack-infra/storyboard)+AND+status:open,n,z Outstanding patches | 15:01 |
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| SotK | It'd be great if we could persuade some folks to do some reviews for us! | 15:02 |
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| SotK | I'm not sure how to achieve that easily | 15:04 |
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| Zara | same here, not sure what to do beyond donning disguises and give out +1s ourselves. | 15:05 |
| Zara | *giving | 15:05 |
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| SotK | I guess we just keep prodding in #storyboard for now | 15:06 |
| SotK | There are no other urgent items that I'm aware of | 15:06 |
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| SotK | Anyone disagree? | 15:07 |
| Zara | _o_ | 15:07 |
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| SotK | #topic Spec Review | 15:07 |
| SotK | #info There are a bunch of partially implemented accepted specs. We should decide what we think of these. | 15:07 |
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| SotK | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/storyboard_integration_tests.html Integration Tests | 15:07 |
| SotK | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/storyboard_story_tags.html Story Tags | 15:07 |
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| SotK | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/storyboard_subscription_pub_sub.html Subscriptions and Events | 15:07 |
| SotK | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/storyboard_task_branches.html Support for Branches | 15:07 |
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| * SotK confesses to it being long enough since he read these that he can't remember any particularly strong opinions he had | 15:09 | |
| Zara | I'd suggest that since there are only two of us actively working on this atm, the first step might be to prioritise which spec (or maybe specs) to look at. | 15:09 |
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| SotK | I agree with that | 15:10 |
| Zara | My preference would be for subscriptions and events, because in their current form, these seem to slow storyboard down, which I think is a very big problem. second choice would be tags. | 15:10 |
| SotK | I agree with that too | 15:11 |
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| SotK | I had some thoughts about how to quickly improve subscriptions to at least alleviate some of the slowdown for now | 15:11 |
| Zara | oh? | 15:12 |
| SotK | Basically "get the current user's subscription list when the page is loaded, pass that to the code which decides whether to show a solid star or an edged star" | 15:13 |
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| SotK | rather than "do a GET request for each item on the current page that can be subscribed to" | 15:13 |
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| Zara | sounds sensible. | 15:14 |
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| SotK | I don't know if I'll have time to actually do that though | 15:15 |
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| Zara | okay, I could start to look at it next, if that seems like a good idea, and leave tags for later. | 15:17 |
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| SotK | seems sensible to me, though I'm happy to take a break from writing the worklists API to look at it if you'd rather do tags :) | 15:18 |
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| Zara | :) I don't really have a preference; I think it's more urgent than worklists or tags so at least one of us should look at it now. | 15:20 |
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| SotK | #agreed Subscriptions should be prioritised, followed by Tags. | 15:21 |
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| Zara | :) | 15:21 |
| SotK | #action SotK or Zara to look at speeding up the subscription resolution code | 15:22 |
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| SotK | #topic In-Progress Work | 15:23 |
| SotK | #info SotK is currently looking at implementing worklists and boards. | 15:23 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/202989/ Spec | 15:23 |
| SotK | The plan is for these to be used to provide detailed, personal prioritisation, along with the ability to use a kanban workflow with StoryBoard tasks and stories. | 15:23 |
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| SotK | I'm currently working on writing the API for worklists and boards, whilst waiting for any comments on the spec. | 15:23 |
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| SotK | I've previously shown a mock-up UI for a kanban which people have given thoughts about. | 15:24 |
| SotK | It'd be great to get some opinions on the spec from folks | 15:25 |
| SotK | (it feels weird working to a not-yet-approved spec) | 15:25 |
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| * Zara can confirm that the mock-up was pretty | 15:26 | |
| SotK | I'll populate a publically accessible mockup which won't randomly disappear or change IP repeatedly soon | 15:28 |
| SotK | I'll put the link to it somewhere when I do that, and mention it in #storyboard | 15:28 |
| SotK | #action SotK to create publically-viewable mockup of a kanban view | 15:29 |
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| SotK | Zara: what is your in-progress work at the moment? | 15:30 |
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| SotK | (I think you can also use #info and #link) | 15:31 |
| Zara | This week I've been looking at making the UI more consistent, so making the project groups page look more like the Stories and Projects pages | 15:31 |
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| Zara | easier to explain by linking the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206108/ | 15:31 |
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| Zara | there are some things that I don't yet know how to do, so it would be nice if someone who knows angularjs better than I do could take a look and help out. | 15:32 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206108/ Patch to make Project Groups page look more like Stories and Projects pages | 15:32 |
| Zara | thanks. :) see the comments on the patch for more! | 15:33 |
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| * SotK beats the "we need reviews" horse some more | 15:33 | |
| Zara | I should have phrased that like clickbait. | 15:34 |
| Zara | 'you won't BELIEVE what this developer said in this patch!!!' | 15:34 |
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| SotK | :D | 15:35 |
| SotK | Anyone have anything else to say about in-progress work? | 15:35 |
| Zara | not from me. I'll continue to try to fix misc bugs as they appear on my radar. | 15:36 |
| SotK | excellent | 15:36 |
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| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:36 |
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| SotK | Anyone have anything they want to raise? | 15:36 |
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| SotK | I guess not :) | 15:38 |
| SotK | Meeting ends in 5... | 15:39 |
| SotK | 4... | 15:39 |
| SotK | 3... | 15:39 |
| SotK | 2... | 15:39 |
| SotK | 1... | 15:39 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:39 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 29 15:39:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-07-29-15.01.html | 15:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-07-29-15.01.txt | 15:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-07-29-15.01.log.html | 15:39 |
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| erlon | . | 16:00 |
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| cebruns | Hello | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
| geguileo | Hey | 16:01 |
| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
| jseiler | hi | 16:01 |
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| erlon | hi all! | 16:01 |
| geguileo | Are we having a meeting? | 16:01 |
| scottda | hi | 16:01 |
| aarefiev | hi | 16:01 |
| nikeshm_ | hi | 16:01 |
| kaisers | hi | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Hello. | 16:02 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:02 |
| kaisers | guess so | 16:02 |
| kmartin | hi | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | Hi | 16:02 |
| patrickeast | hey | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Not started yet technically. | 16:02 |
| jgregor | hello. | 16:02 |
| kjnelson | Hello | 16:02 |
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| geguileo | Ok, but at least people are here :-) | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | Has anybody started the runes to summon Thingee? | 16:02 |
| ameade | hey | 16:02 |
| vincent_hou | hi | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 29 16:03:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:03 |
| * jungleboyj just pinged thingee | 16:03 | |
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| smcginnis | Wow, I feel powerful. :) | 16:03 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:03 |
| vincent_hou | hi | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Oooh, smcginnis Knows the magic. | 16:03 |
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| geguileo | Awesome!! | 16:03 |
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| kmartin | smcginnis, first time? | 16:03 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings - you have the chair | 16:03 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Is my hero. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Midcycle logistics | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | This is kind of fun. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | scottda: You're up. | 16:04 |
| vincent_hou | enjoy | 16:04 |
| scottda | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-midcycle-meetup | 16:04 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Yay! | 16:04 |
| * thingee sits back and relax | 16:04 | |
| scottda | Please make sure that if you are physically attending the mid-cycle, that your name is on the list | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: No, the responsibility is too much for me. :) | 16:04 |
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| scottda | That helps with security, and also for head count at hosted dinners. | 16:04 |
| scottda | I've put my contact info on the etherpad with my phone #, in case you have issues. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Is there a meeting point for getting signed in? | 16:05 |
| scottda | Yes, the google map points to Building 3 and I've put in the etherpad to go to the main entrance. | 16:05 |
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| scottda | also, kmartin DuncanT and hemna can escort you in. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-midcycle-meetup | 16:06 |
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| vincent_hou | scottda: Are we gonna have live broadcast for the mid cycle meetup? | 16:06 |
| thingee | scottda: you're awesome for the google maps.... | 16:06 |
| scottda | That's about all I have to say. Let me know if you've issues or need directions from airport, etc. | 16:06 |
| scottda | hehe..google maps is easy. | 16:06 |
| thingee | scottda: I swear everytime I walk through these large campuses...just getting dirty looks | 16:06 |
| scottda | vincent_hou: I assume so, we've done that in the past. | 16:07 |
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| scottda | thingee: nahhh..you fit right in. | 16:07 |
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| * smcginnis just realized if I started the meeting I was stuck in charge. :[ | 16:07 | |
| thingee | usually hemna handles that | 16:07 |
| cebruns | What time are we kicking off on Tue? | 16:07 |
| kmartin | vincent_hou, yes, we'll do the google hangout with cameras | 16:07 |
| vincent_hou | Nice. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | kmartin: ++ | 16:07 |
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| breitz | what time are things starting up on the 4th? | 16:08 |
| scottda | cebruns: Good question. 9:00 AM for official start? I'll be there by 8:30 to get people in, etc. | 16:08 |
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| ameade | scottda: is that mountain time? | 16:08 |
| * DuncanT will be avoiding the geese this time.... | 16:08 | |
| scottda | yes, MDT which is UTC + 6:00 | 16:08 |
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| cebruns | scottda: Sounds good. | 16:09 |
| akerr | UTC - 6:00 | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | I threw that on the etherpad. | 16:09 |
| scottda | oh, right akerr | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Cool. Any other logistics or info? | 16:10 |
| scottda | no, I think that's it. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | #topic Midcycle Tuesday Dinner | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: ? | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | I am here. | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | Thursday night dinner. So, planning to do it at Austin's. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Want dinner info captured on the etherpad too? | 16:11 |
| scottda | smcginnis: it all should be there already | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That would be great. If people can indicate whether they are coming for THursday so I can get an accurate number. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | I mean as far as attendance, etc. | 16:11 |
| scottda | ahh..ok | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | Not sure how may people might be leaving Thursday evening, etc. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Wait, Thursday or Tuesday? | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | If you have any special food requirements let me know because they are going to do a limited menu for the larger group. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Thursday night. | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | That is what I have for the meeting minutes. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Or Agenda I mean. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: OK, thanks. | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Rootwrap daemon mode in liberty | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | aarefiev: You're up. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thanks all! | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | #link Hours | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Oops | 16:13 |
| aarefiev | I'm here | 16:13 |
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| aarefiev | just one question | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137318/ | 16:13 |
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| aarefiev | in kilo it was decided that nova and cinder wait for neutron implements it, today nova have landed related spec | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105404/ | 16:13 |
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| aarefiev | do we want this in L | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | Looks like we lost half the folks. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | Would like to get thingee's input, but he appears to be affected by whatever happened. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | BOOOM | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | aarefiev: FWIW, the idea sounds good to me. | 16:15 |
| aarefiev | :) | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | thingee had said no for Kilo. | 16:15 |
| aarefiev | yep we need thingee | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | aarefiev: My only concern here was to ensure the daemon is tested with very large stdin/out (tens of mb) since that is a pattern we have in the sheepdog driver | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | I think we are early enough in Liberty it should be ok. | 16:15 |
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| DuncanT | aarefiev: I'll add that to the review | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Wow, really? | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | aarefiev: Nova is using it right? | 16:16 |
| aarefiev | DuncanT: sure | 16:16 |
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| aarefiev | jungleboyj: not yet, on impl phase | 16:16 |
| aarefiev | neutron does | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | aarefiev: Oh ... | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | aarefiev: Do we need it implemented in nova first? | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | aarefiev: Not that that should really affect accepting the spec I suppose. | 16:17 |
| aarefiev | wy we should waiting for nova | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: sheepdog backup IIRC | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Dang | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | OK, so until everyone is able to get back, is there anything we can decide here? | 16:19 |
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| aarefiev | neutron landed it in kilo, nova working on it now, don't see any reasons to wait for cinder | 16:19 |
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| DuncanT | aarefiev: +1 | 16:19 |
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| aarefiev | DuncanT: thanks, I'll address your comment | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | Neutron is a pretty hard core test case for it... if they're happy, we should be good | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | #action thingee to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137318 | 16:20 |
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| smcginnis | At least that's captured then. ^^ | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | It is good that Neutron is using it. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | I agree. If there's acceptance elsewhere I think we're probably good. | 16:21 |
| aarefiev | thanks | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: Yay! | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | three cheers for thingee | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Assinging things to you while you were offline. :) | 16:21 |
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| DuncanT | You've scared him off | 16:22 |
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| thingee | sorry issues with irccloud | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Lost half the attendees in one swoop. | 16:22 |
| tbarron | that's where ameade went too :-) | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Still discussing rootwrap daemon mode. | 16:23 |
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| tbarron | he's still kicked | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Looks like it's been accepted in nova a neutron. | 16:23 |
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| cebruns | So much for cloud being resilient and scalable. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | cebruns: :-) | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | That cloud stuff. | 16:23 |
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| thingee | I'm slightly worried on this not getting enough testing. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: They must not be on OpenStack. :-) | 16:23 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: ;) | 16:24 |
| thingee | I'd like to talk to johnthetubaguy oh his thoughts. | 16:24 |
| thingee | for merging the spec in late June...that's fine. | 16:24 |
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| thingee | anyone have similar concerns? | 16:25 |
| aarefiev | thingee: also it's optional mode | 16:25 |
| thingee | aarefiev: that's a good point. | 16:25 |
| thingee | off by default I assume | 16:25 |
| e0ne | we've got a lot of untested features | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: +1 | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | aarefiev: That is a good thing. | 16:25 |
| aarefiev | thingee: yep | 16:26 |
| thingee | aarefiev: refresh my memory on the cross project discussion with this | 16:26 |
| e0ne | ofcource, we should care for get it tested | 16:26 |
| tbarron | e0ne: is that a reason to add more? | 16:26 |
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| e0ne | we could test rootwrap deamon in an experimental queue | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: I like that idea. | 16:27 |
| e0ne | tbarron: no, it's just a fact | 16:27 |
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| tbarron | e0ne: kk, just checking :-) | 16:27 |
| tbarron | I'm not against rootwrap daemon BTW. | 16:27 |
| aarefiev | aarefiev: I think it was discussed that neutron first try this feature | 16:27 |
| tbarron | just couldn't resist that statement. | 16:27 |
| aarefiev | thingee^ | 16:28 |
| thingee | aarefiev: for the record, I gave a -2 on this because I wanted cross project involvement. Nova != cross project approved | 16:28 |
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| aarefiev | thingee: and neutron | 16:28 |
| thingee | Reading the comments here, that seems to have been ignored https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137318/ | 16:29 |
| thingee | aarefiev: not sure if you're ignoring me here too and just throwing project names at me. | 16:29 |
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| thingee | aarefiev: again, was there discussion cross project about this? I can't remember | 16:29 |
| aarefiev | thingee: about what comment you are talking | 16:29 |
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| thingee | february 9th I posted the comment "Based on discussions from the cross projects meeting, Nova is waiting for Neutron to try this. I say we hold off in Cinder as well then." | 16:30 |
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| thingee | ok so there was a cross project discussion | 16:30 |
| thingee | but based on those comments we agreed that nova can go forward, neutron is holding off. | 16:30 |
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| thingee | I'm fine with cinder holding off | 16:30 |
| thingee | I'd recommend you focus on getting things working in Nova | 16:31 |
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| DuncanT | thingee: neutron has merged it... nova went ahead based on neutron success | 16:31 |
| aarefiev | thingee: I don't think there was ones more cross project discussion | 16:31 |
| aarefiev | thingee: after that one you are mentioned | 16:32 |
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| thingee | #action thingee to reevaluate based on other project decisions | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | Maybe an ML discussion to get some more visibility? | 16:33 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: I don't need discussion. I don't really want something untested this late to be merged in | 16:33 |
| thingee | Unless someone has a good reason it should | 16:34 |
| thingee | it's like multi-attach all over again. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | Fair point. | 16:34 |
| thingee | and people didn't listen to me then | 16:34 |
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| thingee | I'll look it over again and comment on the review | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | OK, several more things on the agenda. Are we OK to move along? | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | #topic Cinder FFE requests | 16:35 |
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| aarefiev | thingee: it makes good performance increase on concurrency and wouldn't be used by default | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | kaisers: You're up. | 16:35 |
| kaisers | thanks | 16:35 |
| kaisers | I just wanted to ask if there's a date for FFE decision set up | 16:36 |
| kaisers | I have one out (please see the links in the agenda) | 16:36 |
| thingee | smcginnis: driver additions are not feature freeze exceptions. | 16:36 |
| thingee | kaisers: ^ whoops | 16:36 |
| kaisers | And so far couldn't find out how to prgoress on this | 16:36 |
| kaisers | *progress | 16:36 |
| kaisers | ok | 16:37 |
| thingee | kaisers: I can look over your request again. I will remind you on the ML when you asked for your driver to be accepted again, I pointed out the CI still be unstable. | 16:37 |
| kaisers | yep | 16:37 |
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| kaisers | i replied on that (please see the link to the mail archive) | 16:37 |
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| thingee | kaisers: please ping me and don't take up time in this meeting for these vendor needs. | 16:37 |
| thingee | smcginnis: can we move on? | 16:37 |
| kaisers | ok | 16:37 |
| kaisers | done | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Cinder Liberty Review | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: | 16:37 |
| erlon | hi | 16:37 |
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| erlon | so, we have a couple of patches that need to get in liberty | 16:38 |
| thingee | oh my goodness people.. | 16:38 |
| thingee | can we please not use the meeting for this purpose. | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: ++ | 16:38 |
| thingee | erlon: liberty-2 has been tagged | 16:38 |
| erlon | just need to know if those will be put in that review list | 16:38 |
| thingee | erlon: please just add it to the etherpad. it's an etherpad. | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: Yeah, let's just discuss in channel if there are any issues. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +2 | 16:39 |
| thingee | smcginnis: move on | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | #topic Unapproved BP queue | 16:39 |
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| erlon | thingee: ok, | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Is this you? | 16:39 |
| thingee | tbarron: your bps are approved | 16:39 |
| tbarron | our queue just went away, but have quick policy question | 16:39 |
| thingee | tbarron: ping me next time | 16:39 |
| thingee | smcginnis: move on | 16:39 |
| geguileo | I have something to say | 16:39 |
| thingee | geguileo: yes | 16:39 |
| dannywilson | I have a bp needing approval too | 16:40 |
| geguileo | dulek is away, but he wanted me to ask about pushing a spec (has a blueprint) | 16:40 |
| thingee | dannywilson: ping me | 16:40 |
| geguileo | BP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-volume-active-active-ha | 16:40 |
| geguileo | spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202615/ | 16:40 |
| dannywilson | thingee: thanks | 16:40 |
| geguileo | It's basically the spec for the Tooz locks | 16:40 |
| geguileo | I have also just written another spec for that same BP | 16:40 |
| geguileo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207101/ | 16:40 |
| geguileo | This one is to remove the API races without breaking Cinder-Nova interactions | 16:40 |
| thingee | Just so people are aware, I did review specs earlier last week and approved some that were ready. I did not approve any this last weekend or so far this week because of the liberty-2 tag. I would appreciate people being mindful of the community deadlines. | 16:40 |
| thingee | but for the most part, a lot of these specs had -1's | 16:41 |
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| geguileo | thingee: Deadline for specs were last week? | 16:41 |
| geguileo | Or are like bps this Friday? | 16:41 |
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| thingee | geguileo: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-07-22-16.00.log.html#l-333 | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | geguileo, thingee: Ready to move on? | 16:43 |
| thingee | geguileo: I think you were at pyeuro when we made this decision | 16:43 |
| thingee | smcginnis: yes | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | geguileo: I'd like to talk to you about the HA proposals later if you're around? | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | #topic Unit tests for John's replication patch | 16:43 |
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| geguileo | thingee: Yep, I was out last week | 16:43 |
| vilobhmm | geguileo : I guess this work is well accepted in Nova..the compare and swap approach | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: You're on. | 16:43 |
| thingee | geguileo: I appreciate your write up. I have yet to read it though | 16:43 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: Ok | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Hey, thanks. | 16:43 |
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| thingee | jgriffith, geguileo please include me | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: yeah... #openstack-cinder | 16:43 |
| geguileo | thingee: Ok | 16:43 |
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| jungleboyj | As we were looking at the patch for replication that John had out we were wondering if we could help with the unit test part. | 16:44 |
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| jungleboyj | vincent_hou: Would be available to do so. | 16:44 |
| * thingee checks if jgriffith updated the replication spec so he can approve it | 16:44 | |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I HAVE NOT, BUT CAN DO SO | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Is that ok with you and if so how would you like us to do that? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | oops.. caps-lock | 16:44 |
| thingee | whoa | 16:44 |
| thingee | haha | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | Ooops. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: sure, but honestly I was hoping to get some reviews on the patch itself before adding to it :) | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: The capslock was mean for me. ;-) | 16:44 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I've left a few pings about it. that would be great. | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: yeah... sorry, I'll do that today | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Right, there are some comments out there. | 16:45 |
| thingee | #action thingee will approve the replication spec this week | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: yeah, typos :) | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: We can wait for the right timing but wanted to start the discussion. | 16:45 |
| thingee | assuming no further stoppers | 16:45 |
| thingee | and jgriffith can focus in code land | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: Finishing the patch up isn't difficult, getting valuable reviews on the other hand seems to be a challenge | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | wait... that came out wrong | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | Not saying the reviews it's received aren't valuable... just saying they're "sparse" | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:46 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: I think I will have a hard time testing this one. | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | in terms of the number of them | 16:46 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | thingee: good point.. impossible to test | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so first priority is to get more people doing reviews. | 16:47 |
| thingee | could just setup a fake driver patch and verify code paths work as expected. | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: well... "good" reviews | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200269/ | 16:47 |
| vilobhmm | thingee : regarding nested quota driver for cinder need help with reviews to get this in liberty | 16:47 |
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| vilobhmm | smcginnis and jungleboyj have been very kind with the reviews | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Agreed. smcginnis, xyang1 , patrickeast hemna You all are hoping to eventually use replication. Right? | 16:48 |
| thingee | vilobhmm: reach out to breitz for testing too | 16:48 |
| vilobhmm | i already have 2 patches merged the final piece needs to be merged | 16:48 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, yes | 16:48 |
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| patrickeast | jungleboyj: correct | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | Can we get your eyes on the patch? | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Yes. | 16:48 |
| * thingee is just going to throw everything at breitz | 16:48 | |
| vilobhmm | thingee : i have finished all the aspects already | 16:48 |
| xyang1 | thingee: Yes | 16:48 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, ok I'll take a look at it. it's in merge conflict at the moment. | 16:48 |
| thingee | vilobhmm: I need to test migration next, but it'll be next on my list | 16:48 |
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| vilobhmm | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206170/ ; https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206171/ ; https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205369/ if this is reviwed we will have nested support in cinder | 16:49 |
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| thingee | breitz: I expect a full report :D | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | We'll try to spend a little more time on it this. | 16:49 |
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| vilobhmm | thanks thingee | 16:49 |
| vilobhmm | smcginnis : as always thanks for the reviews | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: xyang1 hemna Thank you! | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Anything else on replication concerns? | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | vilobhmm: NP | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: vincent_hou Is available for anything you need help with. | 16:50 |
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| smcginnis | Looks like breitz and vincent_hou are getting all the assignments. ;) | 16:50 |
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| vincent_hou | Y. | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: You good? | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | Yep. | 16:51 |
| thingee | vincent_hou: volume migration is next on my list for testing | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you! | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | For the record, I want to apologize thingee. | 16:51 |
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| thingee | just got done with image caching | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | I was trying to help out getting things started. | 16:51 |
| geguileo | Bye | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | I didn't realize that meant I was taking over. | 16:51 |
| vincent_hou | thingee: Thx. | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Any announcements you wanted to cover? | 16:51 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: that's fine. I was having irc issues | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Thanks! | 16:51 |
| thingee | usually I have this stuff started right on the dot | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | Look all we got done. smcginnis The task master! | 16:51 |
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| thingee | yes | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Hah! | 16:52 |
| albertom | I have a change that needs feedback, not sure if this is the right place to ask for | 16:52 |
| thingee | announcements | 16:52 |
| albertom | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194920/ | 16:52 |
| thingee | have folks been looking at my comments with regards to image caching? | 16:52 |
| thingee | patrickeast: ping | 16:52 |
| patrickeast | yo | 16:52 |
| Swanson | thingee: don't be fooled by smcginnis. It was a failed coup. | 16:52 |
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| tbarron | thingee: yes :-) | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195795/ | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: You be quiet! | 16:53 |
| thingee | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/070714.html | 16:53 |
| thingee | my notes on image caching^ | 16:53 |
| thingee | we have two efforts | 16:53 |
| cebruns | Swanson: :) | 16:53 |
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| thingee | here's patrick east's reasons on the two http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/070721.html | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: That was a nice write up! | 16:53 |
| thingee | lenghty but good read | 16:53 |
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| thingee | I need discussions to happen on this. | 16:54 |
| thingee | we have two solutions. I think this results in confusions from the operators perspective. | 16:54 |
| thingee | I want to avoid that | 16:54 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: Agreed | 16:54 |
| patrickeast | thingee: 100% on board with that | 16:54 |
| tbarron | +1 | 16:54 |
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| patrickeast | minimal confusion, maximal fast image volume creation | 16:55 |
| thingee | so please, please people give the time to understand the goals here and lets settle on something. | 16:55 |
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| cebruns | thingee: +1 - sounds like a good topic for the Meetup | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: ++ It is something that would be good to get in. | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | cebruns: ++ | 16:55 |
| thingee | don't wait for the meetup to understand though | 16:55 |
| thingee | understand things before the meetup | 16:55 |
| thingee | so discussions are useful and not about getting up to speed | 16:56 |
| thingee | nova liaison is an idea that was brought up from some nova folks like johnthetubaguy | 16:56 |
| cebruns | Agree - we should do the homework before the meetup. | 16:56 |
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| thingee | The likely folks for this role are hemna and scottda__. I'd suggest scottda__, just because hemna has a bunch of stuff on his plate with brick already | 16:57 |
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| thingee | and scottda__ has been doing an excellent write up of the API issues cinder <-> nova | 16:57 |
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| thingee | I'd like scottda__ to continue to work with hemna and jgriffith though | 16:57 |
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| hemna | ok sounds good. | 16:58 |
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| hemna | we have a lot of work to do in this regard | 16:58 |
| thingee | hemna: not going to stop you though. If you want to take it on that's fine too. | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | 2 minute warning. | 16:58 |
| scottda__ | scottda__, I'm fine either way. | 16:59 |
| thingee | hemna: I think you would be fine for it. I just know you had to give up some of the multi-attach work to focus elsewhere. | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | On to #openstack-cinder | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 29 16:59:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| thingee | thanks everyone | 16:59 |
| hemna | cool. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-07-29-16.03.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-07-29-16.03.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-07-29-16.03.log.html | 16:59 |
| kaisers | thanks | 16:59 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 29 20:00:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
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| tspatzier | hi all | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | tspatzier: its just you and me so far :) | 20:02 |
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| kairat_ | Hi | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: ping | 20:02 |
| tspatzier | hi stevebaker | 20:02 |
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| dgonzalez | hi :-) | 20:02 |
| randallburt | o/ | 20:02 |
| skraynev_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | whew | 20:02 |
| tspatzier | ah, others rolling in | 20:02 |
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| ochuprykov | hi | 20:03 |
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| stevebaker | #topic adding items to the agenda | 20:03 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-07-29_2000_UTC.29 | 20:03 |
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| stevebaker | #topic heat reviews https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 20:04 |
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| randallburt | removed my patch from that list. thanks, stevebaker! | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: ok | 20:05 |
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| randallburt | stevebaker: looks like the designate stuff can fall off too; I'll remove | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | specs are merging | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | hey y'all | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | I mean *a* spec has merged | 20:07 |
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| dgonzalez | it would be cool if somebody could have a look at my spec regarding multi-region testing (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185598/) | 20:08 |
| dgonzalez | I am still working on the required changes to openstack-infra, but as soon as this is done i would like to start with the test | 20:08 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker, zaneb: could we also add ASG/RG refactoring in this list? | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: sounds like a good idea | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | dgonzalez: have you talked to infra about a multi region gate setup? | 20:10 |
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| dgonzalez | yes, and i am already working on it with them | 20:10 |
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| zaneb | yeah, I +1'd the rolling-update-for-RG patch already. would be good to get some more core eyes | 20:10 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: added | 20:11 |
| dgonzalez | stevebaker: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200309/ for my proposal to add multi-region support to devstack-gate | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | dgonzalez: sounds like a reasonable plan | 20:12 |
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| stevebaker | #topic | 20:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:12 | |
| stevebaker | um | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | #topic Liberty-2 status | 20:12 |
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| skraynev_ | zaneb: I plan to look on it tomorrow. do you know that in the last patch we remove inheritance between ASG and RG ? | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/liberty-2 | 20:13 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: I was surprised, when review it :) | 20:13 |
| zaneb | skraynev_: yes, removing inheritance is a Good Thing IMHO. it's everything else I'm worried about ;) | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | We're looking in a reasonable state. If you've completed something which isn't on this list then feel free to update the blueprint status and milestone | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | If you have a fix for a bug which you think should be in l-2 then set its milestone | 20:14 |
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| stevebaker | otherwise we'll likely tag l-2 in the next day or so | 20:15 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: +1. I think, that we ready | 20:15 |
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| stevebaker | #topic heat:bundled tag for projects with heat resources | 20:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "heat:bundled tag for projects with heat resources (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:16 | |
| stevebaker | there is currently a proposal for a devstack tag which can be assigned to projects that have devstack support | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203785/2/reference/tags/devstack.rst,cm | 20:17 |
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| stevebaker | Once that lands I think we should adopt whatever convention is agreed upon and propose a similar tag for heat | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | which would be applied to projects that have heat resources in-tree | 20:18 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: that is the plan | 20:18 |
| zaneb | we're using this one as a test-case to figure out the shape of these tags | 20:18 |
| zaneb | then there will be a bunch more proposed | 20:18 |
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| stevebaker | yep, and since we have criteria for resources landing in-tree, I assume applying the tag will be just rubber-stamping | 20:19 |
| zaneb | yeah, should be simple in our case | 20:19 |
| zaneb | although you could argue about coverage | 20:20 |
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| zaneb | if a project has resources for half of their API, does that count? &c. | 20:20 |
| zaneb | in practice I'm not too worried | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | we may need some criteria that the resources do "something useful" | 20:20 |
| zaneb | given that we are talking about in-tree stuff (as opposed to devstack), I think it's reasonable for the Heat PTL to be required to sign off | 20:21 |
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| stevebaker | for example, a designate domain resource wouldn't be much use without the record resource | 20:21 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: yep, I think the TC should be relieved of the need to ever make a judgement call | 20:23 |
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| zaneb | indeed. we can make the judgement call if one is required | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | resounding agreement, lets move on | 20:24 |
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| zaneb | in practice, I don't think projects will view this as a box-ticking exercise | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | #topic Open Discussion | 20:24 |
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| zaneb | either they care about Heat support or they don't | 20:24 |
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| stevebaker | Angus has raised a concern about review velocity. Is there a feeling that we could do with more cores? | 20:25 |
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| stevebaker | things are landing, but there are a couple of people who could benefit heat by being core | 20:26 |
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| * stevebaker nominates crickets and tumbleweeds to core | 20:27 | |
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| randallburt | so nominations are in order then? I don't see why we wouldn't | 20:28 |
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| zaneb | reviewstats is down | 20:28 |
| skraynev_ | http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/heat-group/90 | 20:29 |
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| skraynev_ | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/heat-group/90 | 20:29 |
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| skraynev_ | note, that it's statistic for 90 days period | 20:29 |
| zaneb | thanks :) | 20:30 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: np ;) | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | ok, expect a nomination email soon | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | thats all I've got, any more open discussion? | 20:32 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: suggestion to make more review for refactor ASG/RG and convergence :) | 20:33 |
| skraynev_ | nothing else | 20:33 |
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| stevebaker | lets wrap up, and reconvene in the #heat | 20:34 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 20:59 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 29 21:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
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| jrichli | o/ | 21:00 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
| ho | o/ | 21:00 |
| hurricanerix | o/ | 21:00 |
| blmartin | o/ | 21:00 |
| redbo | \o | 21:00 |
| joeljwright | I'm here | 21:00 |
| brnelson | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| clayg | :P | 21:00 |
| clayg | joeljwright: ! | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | <- | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | great! | 21:00 |
| notmyname | agenda this week is | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | a few patches to go over, but first some general logisitics | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #topic general | 21:01 |
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| tdasilva | hi | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | hackathon etherpad was set up by hurricanerix and can be used to collect some thoughts and topics before we get to austin | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-midcycle-aug-2015 | 21:02 |
| notmyname | so if you've got stuff you want to discuss, please add it | 21:02 |
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| haypo | o/ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | we'll do the same we've done in the past by making a big list of things on the first morning, but this can seed that list | 21:02 |
| notmyname | so as you think of stuff, write it down! | 21:02 |
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| minwoob_ | o/ | 21:03 |
| notmyname | also, the ops midcycle is coming up https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ops-mid-cycle-meetup-tickets-17703258924 | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | any questions from anyone on either of those? | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's move on to the meaty stuff | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #topic patches: flake8 changes | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205977/ | 21:04 |
| notmyname | this is part of the general move to support py3 set of stuff | 21:04 |
| notmyname | however this one has some implications | 21:04 |
| notmyname | first, why this patch? | 21:04 |
| haypo | notmyname: is it a question? :-p | 21:05 |
| notmyname | yeah, I was trying to type up where it started | 21:05 |
| haypo | notmyname: the main idea is to reduce technical debt in swift | 21:05 |
| clayg | I don't like blacklists, and I don't understand who broke - i would prefer to not merge without other information | 21:05 |
| haypo | hacking 0.8 is now quite old | 21:05 |
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| haypo | technically, hacking 0.8 is incompatible with pbr 1.0 | 21:06 |
| haypo | but we need pbr >= 1.0 since yesterday, environment markers are now used on dnspython | 21:06 |
| notmyname | ah, that's it | 21:06 |
| haypo | the "; python_version == '2.7'" prat | 21:06 |
| haypo | part | 21:06 |
| notmyname | dnspython is using pbr? or just newer env markers? | 21:06 |
| haypo | clayg: " I don't understand who broke" sorry, could you please elaborate? | 21:06 |
| haypo | my patch doesn't disable existing tests, but it enables more (new) tests | 21:07 |
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| haypo | notmyname: env markers | 21:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | clayg: the break was in pep8 between 1.4.5 and 1.4.6 | 21:07 |
| notmyname | so py3 needs new dnspython which needs newer pbr which needs newer hacking | 21:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | haypo's link in his commit message is the wrong line though | 21:07 |
| haypo | notmyname: you need pbr in swift to support env markers | 21:07 |
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| clayg | remember when we used to just need setuptools 0.6 and like *everyone* already had setuptools 0.6 - those were the days | 21:07 |
| notmyname | ok, so that's the "why was this patch even proposed", ultimately | 21:07 |
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| haypo | notmyname: hum, even for python 2, you will need pbr >= 1.0 to get new global requirements | 21:08 |
| clayg | notmyname: got it! | 21:08 |
| redbo | need is such a strong word | 21:08 |
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| clayg | "to get global requirements" isn't really an value prop :\ | 21:08 |
| notmyname | but the implication is that now the flake8 tests are a blacklist of things to not test instead of a whitelist | 21:08 |
| notmyname | that's the big part I want to discuss | 21:08 |
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| sigmavirus24 | notmyname: right and that's for the foreseeable future | 21:08 |
| clayg | ^ that feels like a break, i used to use the tool like this, but it won't let you do that anymore | 21:08 |
| notmyname | clayg: I tend to agree | 21:09 |
| haypo | notmyname: technically, i didn't try to keep the existing approach (whitelist) | 21:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | clayg: "now" for 2 years | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | clayg: well, wait, that's not actually true | 21:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | haypo: that would be more verbose | 21:09 |
| notmyname | here's what happened | 21:09 |
| haypo | notmyname: the practical problem is that hacking 0.10 adds a lot of new checks, like in the E category, and i wanted to propose a short patch | 21:09 |
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| haypo | not propose a patch upgrading hacking 0.10 and modifying 1000 files to fix new checks | 21:09 |
| notmyname | newer flake8 has newer tests, at least one of which we dont' want. but we can't have both select and ignore (even with the current state of things--we just aren't ignoring a subset now) | 21:10 |
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| sigmavirus24 | notmyname: correct | 21:10 |
| notmyname | so to ignore the newer Fxxx test, we have to list all the ones we ignore instead of selecting the ones we want to check | 21:10 |
| clayg | hacking adds "E" checks!? I thought hacking added "H" checks? | 21:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | and while that fix will land in pep8 hopefully after I get time to fix it, it'll be released in 1.6.x which hacking 0.10.x won't use | 21:10 |
| haypo | clayg: "E" comes from pep8, "H" comes from hacking | 21:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | clayg: pep8 adds checks during each 1.y release | 21:11 |
| notmyname | haypo: which was the Fxxx test we talked about ignoring | 21:11 |
| notmyname | ? | 21:11 |
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| clayg | haypo: oh, so i mis read "hacking 0.10 adds a lot of new checks, like in the E category" | 21:11 |
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| sigmavirus24 | notmyname: probably redefinition of a var inside a list comprehension | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | yeah, that one | 21:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | (which is only a problem on Py2) | 21:11 |
| haypo | notmyname: my patch ignores 7 new E checks and 2 new F checks, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205977/6/tox.ini | 21:12 |
| notmyname | so we could scrub the repo for it so it passes. would that allow us to keep the blacklist method? | 21:12 |
| notmyname | haypo: ah, o | 21:12 |
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| clayg | I'm fine with this change uprades the test requirement from pep8 1.2.3 to pep8 1.3.1 and fixes all the breaks | 21:12 |
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| haypo | i'm volunteer to fix checks which make sense, if you will accept such changes | 21:12 |
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| haypo | (well, docstring is not my first target for example) | 21:13 |
| notmyname | clayg: did you accidentally a word? | 21:13 |
| clayg | "redefinition of a var inside a list comprehension" <- that's a flake8 check not pep8 check right? | 21:13 |
| clayg | I'm fine to ignore flake8 checks | 21:13 |
| notmyname | correct | 21:13 |
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| sigmavirus24 | clayg: that's a pyflakes check | 21:13 |
| haypo | clayg: pep8 comes from hacking. we don't specify pep8 requirement directly | 21:13 |
| haypo | clayg: hacking is a meta-package for pep8+flake8 (and pyflakes), which defines the expected version | 21:13 |
| clayg | haypo: well... i guess that's one way to do it | 21:13 |
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| clayg | haypo: I am aware of that point, I also know that the version requirements in hacking are loose and you can *install* a version of pep8 that will acctually break your pep8 checks on the swift code base but still be "compatible" with hacking | 21:14 |
| haypo | clayg: upgrading pep8 alones will not fix the issue of pbr version (support pbr >= 1.0) | 21:14 |
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| sigmavirus24 | clayg: actually hacking pins pep8 | 21:14 |
| clayg | ok, well - i think you're saying these are seperate issues and they agree | 21:15 |
| haypo | sigmavirus24: hum, we may add a line _after_ the hacking dependency? | 21:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | clayg: hacking 0.8.0 is incompatible with pbr 1.x and that's why haypo is doing this | 21:15 |
| clayg | sigmavirus24: was that always true! it's quite possible I have misremembered fucking around trying to get flake8+pep8+hacking to all line up and not yell at me while hacking on swift! | 21:15 |
| haypo | but i'm not a fan of trying to downgrade pep8 after hacking installed a newer version | 21:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | haypo: there's been discussion of hacking handling those deps directly and removing them from g-r/test-requirements.txt | 21:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | haypo: that shouldn't happen | 21:16 |
| haypo | notmyname: sorry, but what is your main concern about the blacklist approach? | 21:16 |
| clayg | i'd rather opt into F and H checks | 21:16 |
| haypo | notmyname: do you fear that hacking adds new checks which will break gates? | 21:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | haypo: I think notmyname's concern is new checks will be added and slip in on an upgrade | 21:16 |
| notmyname | haypo: sigmavirus24: so is one option to ignore the F checks entirely? | 21:16 |
| clayg | <- personally | 21:16 |
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| sigmavirus24 | notmyname: if you want no checks from pyflakes at all, that will work | 21:16 |
| haypo | notmyname: you mean E and F and H? | 21:16 |
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| sigmavirus24 | pyflakes warns about unused imports, vars, and other things | 21:16 |
| haypo | notmyname: if you ignore E, F and H, ... hum, no more checks are executed? | 21:17 |
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| haypo | notmyname: my patch ignores checks in categories E, F and H :-/ -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205977/6/tox.ini | 21:17 |
| zaitcev | I am against opting in, for the reason in haypo's words "Blacklisting checks permits to detect new bugs when upgrading the tools." | 21:17 |
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| haypo | zaitcev, notmyname : sorry, i don't know how hacking handles upgrades, but i expect that *no* new test is added in minor releases | 21:18 |
| haypo | 0.10.x | 21:18 |
| zaitcev | That presumes a certain goodwill on the part of toolmakers, however. If they start loading us up with moronic useless checks, I'm going to change my mind. | 21:18 |
| clayg | zaitcev: did i read that correctly? "new version of tool, can't commit to swift until you add a change to ignore the new rule you care about" is a +2 from zaitcev? | 21:18 |
| notmyname | the difference is a blacklist will keep the code from unexpectedly breaking if the gate updates a dependency. the whitelist approach is that we automatically are tested against every new changes that's added | 21:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | haypo: correct | 21:18 |
| haypo | please remind that nova, cinder, neutron, etc. are all using hacking 0.10 with the blacklist config | 21:18 |
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| haypo | it would be a major outage to add random new test in nova, cinder, neutron, etc. | 21:18 |
| clayg | zaitcev: we currently think most H rules are - well I wouldn't call them "moronic" - just we've explicitly decided they don't apply to improving the maintainability of swift | 21:19 |
| torgomatic | Eh, I don't think it's that big a deal. If we lock down the hacking version (and we do), then no new version can sneak in, hence no new tests to break stuff. When we upgrade hacking, we blacklist all the new checks. | 21:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | torgomatic: right | 21:19 |
| haypo | that's why the requirements is : hacking<0.11,>=0.10: it's a deliberate choice to block hacking 0.11.x | 21:19 |
| zaitcev | clayg: Yes. Basically I'm betting that the scenario you're describing isn't going to be happening often, or that we opt to fix the bugs it finds instead of adding ignore rules. | 21:19 |
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| clayg | torgomatic: ok i like that - but we currently give hacking a window - not a pin | 21:19 |
| haypo | i don't understand why you expect issues specific to Swift | 21:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | clayg: as hacking core I can guarantee 0.10.x will see no new rules | 21:19 |
| clayg | torgomatic: and this is just us trying to move to the next window (technically we managed to skip one) | 21:19 |
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| haypo | all openstack are now using hacking with the same config | 21:19 |
| torgomatic | It's a little more work, but we upgrade hacking every year or two at most, so meh | 21:20 |
| clayg | sigmavirus24: oh fair enough - but full me tiwce ;) | 21:20 |
| clayg | torgomatic: +2 I can live | 21:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | clayg: I only became a core at the summit so | 21:20 |
| haypo | hacking is part of OpenStack, it's different of projets which are managed outside OpenStack | 21:20 |
| haypo | hacking developers is well aware of the mess of broken gates ;-) | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | haypo: not "expect", but this is the repo we deal with, so we want to avoid setting potential land mines for ourselves | 21:20 |
| haypo | sigmavirus24: hey, congrats :) | 21:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks ... if congratulations is the right thing to offer =P | 21:21 |
| haypo | notmyname: if someone goes bad, you can now complain to sigmavirus24 :-D | 21:21 |
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| haypo | oops | 21:21 |
| haypo | if something* | 21:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | as you would with flake8, pep8, mccabe, pyflakes, requests, ... ,etc | 21:21 |
| acoles | regardless of blacklist or whitelist, my concern with the patch is that it ignores Exxx rules that are not ignored on master e.g. E113 so it weakens the test | 21:21 |
| haypo | sorry, i'm tired. it's 23:21 here :-) (if something goes wrong, ...) | 21:21 |
| peluse_ | Im' tired too - its 2:21pm here :) | 21:22 |
| haypo | acoles: oh, please tell me if you see checks which are ignored with my patch, but not ignored before | 21:22 |
| notmyname | ok, so as I hear it right now, zaitcev thinks it's fine, torgomatic thinks it's unlikely to happen often, and clayg got beat down. cschwede: tdasilva: kota_: acoles: what do you thing? | 21:22 |
| acoles | haypo already fixed the patch to include E251, which was being ignored | 21:22 |
| acoles | haypo: E113 | 21:22 |
| haypo | acoles: from my understanding, some E rules became more strict | 21:22 |
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| peluse_ | hey what about what I think?? | 21:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | ^ that's a possibility with pep8 | 21:22 |
| acoles | haypo: maybe but we shoudlnt just switch them off if they got stricter | 21:22 |
| haypo | acoles: and i'm volunteer to fix quickly new (and old) checks :) | 21:22 |
| clayg | haypo: i doubt there's a new pep8 - probably the tool got better at enforcing it | 21:23 |
| haypo | acoles: agreed. that's why i already updated my patch to E251 checks | 21:23 |
| clayg | acoles: +2, let make the change that says "install latest pep8 and fix all the breaks" - might make this next part easier? | 21:23 |
| cschwede | notmyname: no big objections from my side | 21:23 |
| acoles | haypo: but how do i know what was not ignored before and now is without trial and error - where is there a list of new Exxx codes for hacking 0.10 | 21:23 |
| acoles | ? | 21:23 |
| * notmyname notices the discrepancy between "they won't go break checks on you" and "we ignore these now because they got stricter" | 21:23 | |
| sigmavirus24 | notmyname: hacking didn't break that. pep8 did | 21:23 |
| clayg | lol | 21:24 |
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| sigmavirus24 | probably back in early 1.5.xs | 21:24 |
| notmyname | I don't care who breaks it. it keeps my code from landing | 21:24 |
| clayg | sigmavirus24: but hacking PINS pep8? | 21:24 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | clayg: correct | 21:24 |
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| haypo | acoles: i would prefer to propose separated patches for fix issues | 21:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | y'all don't need hacking in the gate =P | 21:24 |
| haypo | acoles: oterwise, my patch may become too large :-( | 21:24 |
| clayg | ok, anyway - i'm happy to be told it'll all be fine, this isn't my #1 priority | 21:24 |
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| haypo | acoles: i'm talking about checks which became more strict | 21:24 |
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| sigmavirus24 | none of you seem to like it so | 21:24 |
| clayg | I think acoles is making a good point - let's just stick with our goals | 21:25 |
| notmyname | clayg: so the issue is that without this py3 is dead in the water | 21:25 |
| clayg | we do E, we generally like F, H is pretty meh | 21:25 |
| acoles | haypo: ok but then reverse the dependency - small patches to fix stuff that breaks with stricter existing checks, then bump the version | 21:25 |
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| clayg | acoles: seems like the best way to go about it | 21:25 |
| acoles | haypo: so the patch taking us to hacking 0.10 has fewer ignores when it lands | 21:25 |
| haypo | acoles: i prefer to upgrade hacking first | 21:25 |
| haypo | acoles: it's easier to enable more checks after | 21:26 |
| clayg | acoles: as long as the ignores are a couple of F's and H's | 21:26 |
| notmyname | sigmavirus24: we're a complicated, grumpy group. don't assume we don't like it yet or can't come up with an answer ;-) | 21:26 |
| haypo | and it unblocks my issue | 21:26 |
| acoles | haypo: but then if the other patches don;t land....? | 21:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | notmyname: I totally grok the grump part | 21:26 |
| haypo | acoles: it's your role to then review my following patches :) | 21:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | *grumpy | 21:26 |
| haypo | acoles: it's just a matter of days | 21:26 |
| acoles | haypo: yah i know :D | 21:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm the grumpy person on my team despite being the youngest | 21:26 |
| acoles | haypo: but days become weeks all too easy round here ;) | 21:27 |
| haypo | acoles: i expect very short patches in fact | 21:27 |
| haypo | it's just a mess to handle a patch serie in gerrit | 21:27 |
| haypo | i hate doing that | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | acoles: so what is your idea? keep the current checks, fix for tighter checks, then bump the version? | 21:27 |
| notmyname | ...version of hacking | 21:28 |
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| haypo | notmyname, acoles : if you really want to ensure that old checks are not disabled, i would prefer to work on a single giant patch | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | haypo: and you want to bump hacking now and fix check later by readding the checks | 21:28 |
| clayg | notmyname: if the question was "will a blacklist approach going to fly" torgomatic and others seem to have answered yes | 21:28 |
| notmyname | yeah, I was just noticed we kinda moved past that | 21:28 |
| torgomatic | and it removes that py3 blocker in quite a short time | 21:28 |
| acoles | notmyname: my idea is that stuff that would fail on master should still fail after any patch lands, not rely on the promise that we will claw back in future | 21:28 |
| haypo | notmyname: i check to start on a fresh and well designed basis, with a list of ignored checks | 21:28 |
| clayg | ok, so now we're just reviewing the patch - black list is fine - but why is it removing checks we want instead of fixing the offenders? | 21:29 |
| acoles | notmyname: sounds like that could require a bigger patch to fix up for stricter checks | 21:29 |
| haypo | notmyname: and then fix checks. it will be more explicit, because these patches will _enable_ checks | 21:29 |
| haypo | clayg: i don't know which tests are old or new | 21:29 |
| notmyname | yeah, I feel that a promise to readd checks is like a promise to write tests and docs later. | 21:29 |
| acoles | clayg: +1 | 21:29 |
| haypo | clayg: i simply ignored all checks which made tox -e pep8 to fail | 21:30 |
| clayg | haypo: we like E, F is gnerally good, H is meh | 21:30 |
| zaitcev | sick burn | 21:30 |
| clayg | haypo: ok, well no one likes that approach | 21:30 |
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| clayg | haypo: sorry :\ | 21:30 |
| torgomatic | I kind of do, actually | 21:30 |
| clayg | LOL! | 21:30 |
| clayg | ok then! | 21:30 |
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| torgomatic | it's not like we have those checks today, right? | 21:31 |
| acoles | haypo: do you have any idea how big the patch would be with no E ignored and the fixes made to pass pep8? we can review big patches :) | 21:31 |
| clayg | torgomatic: go +2 it - haypo you only need one more | 21:31 |
| torgomatic | k | 21:31 |
| acoles | torgomatic: some we do | 21:31 |
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| haypo | acoles: no | 21:31 |
| acoles | like E113 | 21:31 |
| torgomatic | oh | 21:31 |
| haypo | acoles: you can see the topic pep8 | 21:31 |
| haypo | acoles: i wrote other patches to fix pep8 checks | 21:31 |
| haypo | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift+branch:master+topic:pep8,n,z | 21:31 |
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| clayg | haypo: those titles look like H checks? | 21:32 |
| torgomatic | this change doesn't run less checks than before.” | 21:32 |
| haypo | for example, fixing H232 only changes a single file (two lines) | 21:32 |
| torgomatic | ^^ from the commit message | 21:32 |
| haypo | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205964/ giant patches fixes a lot of things, but i don't remember which checks | 21:32 |
| notmyname | I think we're getting into patch review which can stay in gerrit (or the -swift channel) | 21:33 |
| clayg | notmyname: well hold on | 21:33 |
| haypo | torgomatic: that's my bet, but acoles says that i'm wrong, i disabled some existing tests | 21:33 |
| * notmyname holds | 21:33 | |
| clayg | notmyname: there's a bunch of patches here | 21:33 |
| haypo | torgomatic: because they became more strict | 21:33 |
| clayg | notmyname: do we have a plan or is it just "go review" | 21:33 |
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| haypo | notmyname: well, you should take a decision, we will not spend the whole meeting on this issue, no? | 21:34 |
| tdasilva | I might be missing something here, but it seems like a good compromise would be chained patches? | 21:34 |
| acoles | torgomatic: so with E251 it seems it got stricter, haypo saw some fails and then disabled it, but now haypo has done the work to fix the fails, which is great | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | feels like it's even more complicated than when it was introduced as a discussion | 21:34 |
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| torgomatic | acoles: haypo: got it, thanks | 21:34 |
| acoles | torgomatic: but i just randomly broke E113 on master so there's another example but none of us seem to know which E tests exist on master | 21:34 |
| haypo | i don't understand why you care so much in the order in which patches are merged | 21:35 |
| torgomatic | heh, I can't even get my code to pass unit tests, much less a linter | 21:35 |
| clayg | ok, well a promise to "fix it later" is a fair bit more nebulous than "here's a chain the ignores some rules and then systematically enables them" | 21:35 |
| notmyname | I think the resolution for now is that we need to review these. especially acoles and torgomatic | 21:35 |
| haypo | IMHO in 3 weeks, all checks, old and new will be fixed, that's all :-p | 21:35 |
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| acoles | haypo: btw really appreciate the work you have done, concern is just with ordering the changes | 21:35 |
| notmyname | haypo: I definitely agree with acoles. thank you for sticking with this | 21:35 |
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| clayg | acoles: if the code is already written do you care about the order of the patches? | 21:36 |
| haypo | notmyname: well, its up to you | 21:36 |
| clayg | haypo: is there a final patch I can checkout and see yup, all tests pass and no checks i care about are ignored - then just go +2 everyhting above it? | 21:36 |
| acoles | clayg: not if they all merge :) i guess we'll eventually be consistent with master | 21:37 |
| haypo | clayg: no. i didn't write all patches yet | 21:37 |
| haypo | clayg: usually, i send a few patches, and wait until they are reviewed | 21:37 |
| haypo | clayg: it's really easy to fix pep8 checks... | 21:37 |
| clayg | sure i useually do that too | 21:37 |
| clayg | haypo: the harder part is the conflicts in other patches when you merge them? | 21:38 |
| notmyname | ok, we've got to move on to a few other things in the meeting :-) | 21:38 |
| haypo | clayg: some checks are really coding style. i don't know if you want to enable _all_ pep8 checks | 21:38 |
| haypo | like the coding style for docstrings? | 21:38 |
| acoles | notmyname: tomorrow i will take haypo patch and enable all the Exxx and see how bad things are | 21:38 |
| clayg | es all pep8 checks - most flake8 checks - basically no hacking checks (it was already in the tox file describing what we want) | 21:38 |
| haypo | that's why i preferred to ignore tests, and _then_ discuss which tests are important | 21:38 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks | 21:38 |
| notmyname | ok, next one should be briefer | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | #topic patches: test-requirements updates | 21:39 |
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| clayg | acoles: sigh, bigger fish man | 21:39 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204179/ | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | this one is more of a "what do you think". it updates the test-requirements to match global requirements. | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | mostly an FYI, I guess. not a real big question | 21:40 |
| notmyname | #topic patches: accept header in responses | 21:40 |
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| clayg | yeah it's fine - this helps someone? | 21:40 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204196/ | 21:40 |
| notmyname | cschwede: you brought this one up | 21:40 |
| zaitcev | What in the world is "pbr at least 1.3"? I only have 0.10.8. | 21:41 |
| notmyname | clayg: hopefully us. to prevent any gate issues (seems like they've come up more recetly) | 21:41 |
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| cschwede | yes; i was worried if there are clients that send a „accept:json“ header and currently expect html in case of an error | 21:41 |
| cschwede | because that’S what it is today. and that change would fix this, but might break these clients | 21:41 |
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| torgomatic | if you say you accept json but don't accept json... | 21:42 |
| cschwede | so, i’m fine with fixing this, but wondering if that needs to land in a new swift release? | 21:42 |
| clayg | cschwede: I think it's a fair question - but what's your leaning? | 21:42 |
| notmyname | what's the content type on the response? if that changes too, it's better | 21:42 |
| clayg | cschwede: I don't think a swift version so muchs - maybe it needs an new api version - for some reason I think it will be fine | 21:42 |
| cschwede | notmyname: text/html now, json then | 21:42 |
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| cschwede | clayg: yes, i tend to think the same. just wanted to raise this before putting a +2 on it | 21:43 |
| notmyname | cschwede: if this doesn't change anything when the accept doesn't have json in it, then we should be ok | 21:43 |
| clayg | cschwede: good call | 21:43 |
| cschwede | and hear if most of us agree with this | 21:43 |
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| zaitcev | I think I already put +2 on it, but considering how clients didn't like "Etag", this is a possibility. | 21:44 |
| notmyname | right | 21:44 |
| notmyname | and in that case, we rolled back | 21:44 |
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| clayg | yup could break things - safer to just say no | 21:44 |
| clayg | yeah we could do it and roll back if we get bit | 21:44 |
| clayg | feels kinda arbitrary to let this one slide - but I'm game if ya'll are! | 21:44 |
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| redbo | ha | 21:45 |
| * clayg pops of a six shooter | 21:45 | |
| notmyname | redbo: what do you think? | 21:45 |
| clayg | redbo thinks "bigger fish man, bigger fish" | 21:45 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | according to the bug report on this one, a user expected json then worked around it | 21:46 |
| redbo | I've never even seen a client that looks at the repsonse bodies. But then I wonder why we need this. | 21:46 |
| notmyname | so what' clayg said ;-) | 21:46 |
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| mattoliverau | I think, if they ask for json, we return json. The clients obviously are using some json library if asking for json, so we're fixing a bug, and they have the tools to fix the clients.. but maybe I'm grumpy cause I'm still sick :P | 21:47 |
| zaitcev | redbo: It's for the recent crop of GUI things. They want to pop dialogs on error and they don't want to scrape so junk gets into various fields. | 21:47 |
| notmyname | clayg: you should probably explain that for swift devs who don't know english (US?) idioms ;-) | 21:47 |
| redbo | If they send "Accept: image/jpeg", we should render a jpeg that says "404 not found" and return it | 21:47 |
| clayg | redbo: oh that's be a great feature! can't wait to review! | 21:47 |
| minwoob_ | redbo: ^ lol | 21:47 |
| clayg | ^ notmyname you can't translate this level of sarcasm | 21:47 |
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| zaitcev | okay, so the point is that this feature request conflates the format of listings with format of error bodies. | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: actually that's the fist "this fixes a real bug for someone" I've heard so far | 21:49 |
| notmyname | so that's good. | 21:49 |
| notmyname | if we've got users who need this, then I'm inclined to let it land. if this is just for some sense of "right" then no | 21:49 |
| zaitcev | we're one step away from "X-Error-Accept:" now. | 21:49 |
| clayg | zaitcev: no I dont' think that's the point - everyone thinks it's not that useful to return html to command line api clients - it just what it does today | 21:49 |
| clayg | notmyname: that's a good call! who needs this!? | 21:49 |
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| zaitcev | clayg: yeah and I saw truncated logs | 21:50 |
| notmyname | zaitcev says UI people. who is this? | 21:50 |
| torgomatic | horizon? | 21:50 |
| clayg | truncated logs? | 21:50 |
| clayg | anyway - honestly - like swiftclient could use this | 21:50 |
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| clayg | I hate the fact it spits html onto the screen - but thank the gods it didn't try to beautiful soup it | 21:51 |
| notmyname | do it for joeljwright! | 21:51 |
| clayg | let's just do it - yawn | 21:51 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:51 |
| clayg | cschwede: thanks for asking! | 21:51 |
| notmyname | ok, good | 21:51 |
| cschwede | clayg: yw :) | 21:51 |
| notmyname | #topic versions middleware | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134347/ | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | didn't land like we said last week we said we were going to do | 21:52 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: put together a good doc on the test areas | 21:52 |
| notmyname | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hyo3Q7SS70kG0ZCR3NvXJZ6ikeqqQ04RcRYjOLb44m8/edit#gid=0 | 21:52 |
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| mattoliverau | that was probably my fault :P | 21:52 |
| notmyname | so what's blocking this? | 21:52 |
| mattoliverau | I confused clayg with my comments :) | 21:52 |
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| clayg | mattoliverau: notmyname: no it's good tdasilva fixed some issues last week - it's better than ever now | 21:53 |
| clayg | if you haven't review that patch in the last few weeks you should! I bet you'll +2 it - it's a good change | 21:53 |
| tdasilva | thanks to clayg and mattoliverau for bringing up those issues | 21:53 |
| notmyname | great! let's merge it this week then! it's required for some other ongiong work and needs to get out of the way | 21:53 |
| zaitcev | I reviewed it 6 patches back and it was okay. But I need to re-read. | 21:54 |
| clayg | tdasilva: thanks for being so diligent and doing all the work - amazing! | 21:54 |
| notmyname | ok, last topic we'll have time for | 21:54 |
| notmyname | #topic encryption update | 21:54 |
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| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_encryption_issues | 21:54 |
| notmyname | jrichli filled that in with details | 21:54 |
| acoles | yes, great stuff tdasilva | 21:54 |
| notmyname | jrichli: thanks | 21:54 |
| jrichli | np | 21:54 |
| notmyname | jrichli: what is there to report this week on encryption? what's blocking you or where do you need extra eyes? | 21:55 |
| notmyname | acoles is back, so that helps :-) | 21:55 |
| acoles | notmyname: you fool yourself | 21:55 |
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| jrichli | I am working on the support for footers right now. | 21:55 |
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| jrichli | It's going to be my frankenstein for awhile. After/if I get something working, it would still need lots of refactoring. | 21:55 |
| jrichli | it would be good to get some conversations going on those issues | 21:55 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:56 |
| notmyname | jrichli: did you get any feedback on the stuff you put in the etherpad yet? | 21:56 |
| notmyname | we had asked for that last week, and you did it, so we owe you feedback | 21:56 |
| jrichli | clayg gave me some feedback, to which I replied | 21:56 |
| notmyname | thanks clayg! | 21:56 |
| jrichli | and hrou has been giving me good feedback on encryption reviews | 21:56 |
| clayg | notmyname: meh, not sure i'm helping | 21:57 |
| jrichli | clayg: you are! just need more of that :-) | 21:57 |
| notmyname | http://i.imgur.com/ES6sP.jpg | 21:57 |
| jrichli | maybe skype with acoles like you mentioned earlier | 21:57 |
| jrichli | and me | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | ok, anything else on encryption? | 21:58 |
| jrichli | notmyname: lol | 21:58 |
| acoles | jrichli: wfm | 21:58 |
| mattoliverau | I'll give it a read today, but be warned my brain is firing on 1/2 the cylinders.. but reading is someting I can handle :) | 21:58 |
| jrichli | mattoliverau: thx! | 21:58 |
| jrichli | notmyname: no, thats all i guess | 21:58 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:58 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: have you looked over the wiki - there's some big gaps that are not quite just "pls revw" - we don't know how some parts are supposed to work | 21:59 |
| clayg | e.g. conditional if-match GETs | 21:59 |
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| clayg | mattoliverau: jrichli did a great job explaining what is not figured out yet | 21:59 |
| clayg | ... on the wiki | 21:59 |
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| clayg | mattoliverau: i haven't gotten down to all of the issues either :'( | 21:59 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: I'll make sure I look at that too :) | 22:00 |
| notmyname | and we're out of time | 22:00 |
| acoles | clayg: does wiki==etherpad? | 22:00 |
| mattoliverau | I can at least get started | 22:00 |
| notmyname | acoles: yes | 22:00 |
| clayg | acoles: thank you sir - yes -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_encryption_issues | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming. and thanks for working on swift | 22:00 |
| clayg | not wiki :'( | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 29 22:00:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-07-29-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-07-29-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-07-29-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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