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| geoffarnold | #startmeeting mercadorproject | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Aug 14 17:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is geoffarnold. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: mercadorproject)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mercadorproject' | 17:00 |
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| geoffarnold | ping | 17:00 |
| shaleh | pong | 17:00 |
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| gyee | bud | 17:01 |
| geoffarnold | bud??? ;-) | 17:01 |
| gyee | I was expecting 'light' | 17:02 |
| davidjc | dy | 17:02 |
| geoffarnold | OK, we've had some changes since we last met | 17:02 |
| geoffarnold | Based on design discussions over at HP | 17:02 |
| geoffarnold | The basic model is unchanged | 17:03 |
| geoffarnold | Publisher service running in provider cloud, Subscriber running in consuming cloud | 17:03 |
| geoffarnold | However rather than implementing Publisher and Subscriber as independent services, with their own endpoints, installation/configuration, etc.... | 17:04 |
| geoffarnold | we're going to integrate them into Keystone | 17:04 |
| gyee | for now :) | 17:04 |
| geoffarnold | This has some benefits and complications | 17:05 |
| geoffarnold | yes, for now | 17:05 |
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| geoffarnold | Benefits: faster spinning up the POC, reduced round-trips between Keystone and Subscriber | 17:05 |
| raildo | gyee: light \o | 17:05 |
| geoffarnold | Complications: it's a fork of Keystone | 17:05 |
| gyee | not quite | 17:06 |
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| geoffarnold | de facto, gyee? | 17:06 |
| shaleh | gyee, it requires keystone mods beyond just dropping the mercador/ directory in contrib | 17:06 |
| shaleh | my commit shows thay | 17:06 |
| shaleh | s/thay/that/ | 17:07 |
| gyee | its a fork for conveninence | 17:07 |
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| gyee | but we are not touching keystone internals | 17:07 |
| geoffarnold | exactly | 17:07 |
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| geoffarnold | except to interpose on CRUD for "project" | 17:07 |
| gyee | it should not require keystone mod | 17:07 |
| raildo | geoffarnold: do you want to use some stable release for this? | 17:07 |
| gyee | just contrib and middleware | 17:07 |
| davidjc | yes | 17:07 |
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| shaleh | raildo, I started with master | 17:07 |
| geoffarnold | not especially, raildo | 17:08 |
| geoffarnold | shaleh can you add raildo to the project in github | 17:08 |
| gyee | raildo, not till we flesh out the landmines | 17:08 |
| shaleh | geoffarnold, I just need a github user to invite | 17:09 |
| raildo | maybe this will be a little painful, since we have to be doing a lot of rebases... | 17:09 |
| raildo | geoffarnold: thanks | 17:09 |
| shaleh | raildo: what is your github user name? | 17:09 |
| raildo | raildo :P | 17:10 |
| shaleh | one moment | 17:10 |
| gyee | raildo, shouldn't be painful, we are NOT touching Keystone internals | 17:10 |
| gyee | if we do, this ain't gonna end well | 17:10 |
| raildo | gyee: ok | 17:10 |
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| geoffarnold | if we do, it shows that Keystone's contrib framework isn't as clean as intended | 17:11 |
| gyee | exactly | 17:11 |
| shaleh | geoffarnold: I added a "Contributors" team to the Org. Raildo has been invited | 17:11 |
| geoffarnold | There's a Trello at https://trello.com/b/6tlmk3z4/mercador-stackforge-project | 17:11 |
| shaleh | raildo: I forked keystone and friends to the Mercador Org on github. We made a branch for mercador-poc there | 17:12 |
| geoffarnold | Still stays "stackforge", but no worries | 17:12 |
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| shaleh | all changes are intended to be in the keystone/contrib/mercado dir unless 100% necessary | 17:12 |
| shaleh | so keeping up with master should be pretty easy | 17:12 |
| gyee | ++ | 17:12 |
| geoffarnold | +++ | 17:13 |
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| gyee | at the end, it should be a complete separatable service | 17:13 |
| raildo | sure | 17:13 |
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| geoffarnold | Or two | 17:15 |
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| shaleh | raildo: if I need to fork something else into the Org let me know | 17:15 |
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| shaleh | the non Openstack project is my Vagrant/Ansible work to federate a collection of virtualbox nodes running devstack | 17:16 |
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| gyee | shaleh, how close are you in getting the ansible work done? | 17:16 |
| raildo | shaleh: I think that is it. | 17:16 |
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| shaleh | gyee: I believe it is done but I need to fully test the federation connectivity | 17:17 |
| gyee | sweet | 17:17 |
| shaleh | I have a script to push projects/domains/users etc onto the SPs | 17:17 |
| shaleh | then I can try to access them from the Idp using fed-tester box | 17:17 |
| shaleh | once that is fully tested I can bless it | 17:18 |
| shaleh | hopefully that is today | 17:18 |
| shaleh | everything I have is up on GitHub. | 17:18 |
| geoffarnold | I just pushed my API design notes to Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/Sanc8WeR | 17:18 |
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| geoffarnold | Formatting sucks; I'll fix it up | 17:18 |
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| shaleh | geoffarnold: next step is putting that on the wiki yes? | 17:19 |
| gyee | geoffarnold, you'll update the wiki with the API design too right? | 17:19 |
| geoffarnold | Yes - in a few minutes | 17:19 |
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| shaleh | raildo: the fork of Keystone has a "hello world" quality Mercador at the moment. It responds to /v1/subscribers | 17:20 |
| shaleh | geoffarnold: so stop using Word :-) | 17:20 |
| geoffarnold | Agreed | 17:21 |
| gyee | hah | 17:21 |
| raildo | ++ haha | 17:21 |
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| geoffarnold | markdown ftw | 17:21 |
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| shaleh | I actually like asciidoc ..... | 17:22 |
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| geoffarnold | i'd missed that, shaleh - I'll check it out | 17:22 |
| raildo | shaleh: I found, thanks | 17:22 |
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| shaleh | http://asciidoctor.org/ | 17:22 |
| shaleh | GitHub supports files named ".adoc" | 17:23 |
| gyee | judge a doc by its content, but not its apparent - gyee's paraphrasing MLK | 17:23 |
| geoffarnold | sweet | 17:23 |
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| shaleh | geoffarnold: what do we have for an agenda? | 17:23 |
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| shaleh | we have completed show & tell | 17:23 |
| geoffarnold | nothing else AFAIK | 17:24 |
| geoffarnold | Next week is crazy | 17:24 |
| shaleh | my plan is to start on the token interceptor work | 17:24 |
| geoffarnold | Monday is shot (Cisco mtgs), Tues-Wed is Operators Meetup, Thurs-Fri is Product WG (I'm hosting) | 17:24 |
| shaleh | understood | 17:25 |
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| shaleh | when we meet the following week I expect to have a demo for the group | 17:25 |
| gyee | geoffarnold, will Cisco folks help out on the rest of the API impl? | 17:26 |
| geoffarnold | davidjc do you want to take a look at the CLI? | 17:26 |
| shaleh | I've done my freebie :-) | 17:26 |
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| gyee | we are at a point we can multithreading now | 17:26 |
| davidjc | well the CLI will be easy to develop once all of the backend APIs are completed | 17:26 |
| davidjc | I plan on diving in on that today, or exploring the API backends as discussed | 17:27 |
| davidjc | particularly for pub | 17:27 |
| shaleh | CLI work expects changes to python-keystoneclient or an equiv | 17:27 |
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| geoffarnold | We should start by replicating shaleh's hello world | 17:27 |
| geoffarnold | Just to demonstrate end-to-end | 17:27 |
| shaleh | ++ | 17:27 |
| gyee | for CLI/client, I suggest separate packages for python-mercadorclient | 17:28 |
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| davidjc | + | 17:28 |
| shaleh | the Subscriber CRUD is implemented as I understood it from the document | 17:28 |
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| shaleh | gyee: not a bad idea | 17:28 |
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| shaleh | copy/paste the existing keystoneclient to get the ball rolling quickly | 17:29 |
| geoffarnold | defined, not yet implemented.... the changed approach means that the URL schemas change a bit (not significant) | 17:29 |
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| shaleh | there has been a lot of noise on the -dev list about Federation. Was any of it relevant. I have not kept up. | 17:29 |
| gyee | shaleh, no, not relevant to this work | 17:29 |
| geoffarnold | I missed most of it - thought it was ID fed | 17:29 |
| gyee | WebSSO they are arguing over | 17:29 |
| shaleh | ah, god | 17:30 |
| shaleh | good | 17:30 |
| gyee | we care about K2K | 17:30 |
| shaleh | I meant | 17:30 |
| geoffarnold | Yup | 17:30 |
| shaleh | raildo: I gave you read/write as a Contributor. | 17:30 |
| gyee | we need to think about how to make K2K config more dynamic | 17:30 |
| gyee | but that's a parallel track | 17:30 |
| shaleh | there is not Jenkins gate here so play nice everyone | 17:31 |
| geoffarnold | I mistype "god" for "good" so often, I'm thinking of having MacOS translate "god" to "Cthulu" | 17:31 |
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| gyee | god is good | 17:31 |
| raildo | shaleh: ok, if have some user story/task that I can contribute, let me know | 17:31 |
| * shaleh points to geoffarnold | 17:31 | |
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| shaleh | raildo: you might end up being a dev tester for us if that is acceptable | 17:32 |
| geoffarnold | Hey, raildo, on a parallel track, I'd like to get the reseller user stories into the Product WG discussions | 17:32 |
| geoffarnold | I'll follow up offline | 17:32 |
| shaleh | geoffarnold: if there are more people who need Contributor status let me know | 17:33 |
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| raildo | shaleh: I can do that :) | 17:33 |
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| geoffarnold | davidjc? | 17:33 |
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| shaleh | geoffarnold: he has been invited as an Owner like you were | 17:33 |
| raildo | geoffarnold: sure, we can discuss when you have some time | 17:33 |
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| geoffarnold | (referring to his team) | 17:33 |
| raildo | or I can send a email | 17:34 |
| geoffarnold | raildo thanks, that would be good | 17:34 |
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| davidjc | I would like contributor status if I do not have such status already | 17:34 |
| davidjc | thanks | 17:34 |
| shaleh | davidjc: accept the Gihub invite sent Tuesday evening | 17:34 |
| davidjc | will do | 17:34 |
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| shaleh | geoffarnold/davidjc: it probably makes sense for you guys to get some kind of Jenkins gate style system setup on your end to test as you get further along | 17:35 |
| geoffarnold | agreed | 17:35 |
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| geoffarnold | one last question (for gyee) | 17:36 |
| gyee | \o | 17:36 |
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| geoffarnold | I had to miss the Keystone mtg this week - was there anything important (apart from WebSSO)? | 17:36 |
| gyee | policy distribution | 17:36 |
| gyee | we voted to include it as experimental | 17:37 |
| gyee | same holds for x.509 tokenless authz | 17:37 |
| geoffarnold | thanks | 17:37 |
| gyee | there were some concerns over policy distribution however | 17:38 |
| gyee | performance wise | 17:38 |
| gyee | so its going to be either keystone, consul, or zookeeper | 17:38 |
| raildo | btw we need more reviews in the reseller patches :( | 17:38 |
| gyee | so we still need a bunch of POC work to flush out the land mines | 17:38 |
| geoffarnold | right | 17:39 |
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| geoffarnold | I'm still wrestling with the question of how/when we can fix the project/domain namespace problem | 17:39 |
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| gyee | raildo, yes will do | 17:40 |
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| gyee | raildo, I am having f2f with out PM next week in the ops midcycle | 17:40 |
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| geoffarnold | it takes API changes, DB changes, just about everything | 17:40 |
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| geoffarnold | come along to the large scale/public cloud breakout at the ops meeting | 17:41 |
| gyee | geoffarnold, v4 :) | 17:41 |
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| geoffarnold | federation and safe delegation will be on the table | 17:41 |
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| shaleh | consul tries to hard to get people onto its pay cloud | 17:42 |
| shaleh | but otherwise I kind of like it | 17:42 |
| shaleh | I know morgan does too | 17:43 |
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| geoffarnold | I'll look at it | 17:43 |
| gyee | I haven't had a chance to dig deep into it yet | 17:43 |
| shaleh | geoffarnold: all we can do is point out how painful life is without a fix | 17:43 |
| geoffarnold | Agreed. Maybe we need to bring a QSA along to rip holes in people's smug assumptions about trust | 17:44 |
| shaleh | consul is Go lang. Pretty well documented. Written by hashi corp. | 17:44 |
| davidjc | I have been messing around with Consul, it has some strengths and weaknesses | 17:44 |
| shaleh | davidjc: agreed | 17:44 |
| geoffarnold | Well, if we're going to include more non-Python bits, Go will be popular | 17:45 |
| shaleh | I kind of like it over Zookeeper though | 17:45 |
| shaleh | the not Java helps :-) | 17:45 |
| gyee | or Oracle will sue ya | 17:45 |
| davidjc | Well Consul and Zookeeper are for different purposes | 17:45 |
| davidjc | the closest thing to Zookeeper is etcd | 17:45 |
| shaleh | talking to Morgan he would like to divest more of Keystone to tools like Consul | 17:46 |
| geoffarnold | +1 | 17:46 |
| geoffarnold | On the other hand.... WS-Discovery and UDDI left a lot of people nervous about this stuff | 17:46 |
| shaleh | while in principle I agree, it makes OpenStack even more unwieldy | 17:47 |
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| shaleh | even more moving pieces, points of failure, etc. | 17:47 |
| shaleh | I pity the ops crew who have to keep up with all of this mess | 17:47 |
| gyee | shaleh, OpenStack by itself is unusable :) It needs a log of 3rd party tools | 17:48 |
| shaleh | too many people in OpenStack seem to only see the DevStack view of the world | 17:48 |
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| geoffarnold | Wouldn't it be nice if we could apply all the Consul work (Raft, etc.) to make DNS really usable for this | 17:48 |
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| shaleh | geoffarnold: agreed | 17:48 |
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| geoffarnold | OK, we're drifting into the "over a pint of beer" mode, so let's wrap | 17:48 |
| gyee | and there are load of commercial interest in the 3rd party tools | 17:48 |
| davidjc | well the biggest problem with the state of DNS is performance in Python | 17:48 |
| gyee | so we stuck in this no-op land | 17:49 |
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| shaleh | performance can always be fixed | 17:49 |
| davidjc | by choosing a different language | 17:49 |
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| shaleh | "works good enough" gets you pretty far | 17:49 |
| davidjc | are we talking about designate? | 17:49 |
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| shaleh | cheers all | 17:49 |
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| geoffarnold | not really, davidjc | 17:50 |
| geoffarnold | cheers | 17:50 |
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| geoffarnold | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Aug 14 17:50:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mercadorproject/2015/mercadorproject.2015-08-14-17.00.html | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mercadorproject/2015/mercadorproject.2015-08-14-17.00.txt | 17:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mercadorproject/2015/mercadorproject.2015-08-14-17.00.log.html | 17:50 |
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