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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 17 14:02:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:02 |
| kun_huang | :) | 14:02 |
| boris-42 | ping kun_huang: rvasilets oanufriev redixin ikhudoshyn | 14:03 |
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| rvasilets | orz | 14:03 |
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| ikhudoshyn | o/ | 14:03 |
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| redixin | hiyo | 14:03 |
| temujin_ | hi | 14:03 |
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| yingjun | hi | 14:04 |
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| boris-42 | yingjun: hi | 14:04 |
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| amaretskiy | hi | 14:04 |
| boris-42 | #topic Todays Meeting Agenda | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Todays Meeting Agenda (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:04 | |
| boris-42 | Okay seems like today we don't have too much to discuss | 14:04 |
| * boris-42 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally#Next_meeting | 14:04 | |
| boris-42 | If you would like to add something new you are welcome | 14:05 |
| boris-42 | Okay let's move to first topic | 14:05 |
| boris-42 | #topic [kun_huang] [short news] chinese openstack hackathon | 14:05 |
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| kun_huang | It's a short news | 14:05 |
| kun_huang | There is a meetup in this week, openstack hackathon (china) | 14:05 |
| kun_huang | we're going to fix some bugs | 14:05 |
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| kun_huang | there are nova/neutron guys | 14:06 |
| kun_huang | and I'm fixing rally bugs | 14:06 |
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| boris-42 | kun_huang: great thanks | 14:06 |
| kun_huang | so, next week, there will be a report for it, which contain rally fixed bugs | 14:06 |
| kun_huang | hope all guys know this | 14:07 |
| kun_huang | and if you would like to assign easy bugs to me, it's welcome | 14:07 |
| kun_huang | that's all :) | 14:07 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: ok =) | 14:08 |
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| boris-42 | kun_huang: moving to next topic? | 14:08 |
| kun_huang | no problem | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | #topic [rvasilets] 'rally task abort' now is green! Welcome to review. | 14:08 |
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| ikhudoshyn | hm looks like topic is selfcontaining) | 14:11 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: ya seems like so | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | =) | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: do you have anything to add it? | 14:11 |
| ikhudoshyn | ok we'll review. move on? | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: waiting for rvasilets answer... | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | okay seems like rvasilets is not online.. | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | #topic [boris-42] Switching Scenario to plugin base | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[boris-42] Switching Scenario to plugin base (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:13 | |
| boris-42 | Okay guys I would like just to explain better what and why we are doing | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | recently we get merged first patch | 14:13 |
| rvasilets | I have returned | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212831/ | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: to late my dear friend=) | 14:14 |
| rvasilets | typing | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: it's another topic | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212831/ | 14:15 |
| rvasilets | sorry, continue) | 14:15 |
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| boris-42 | Inside this patch we changed scenario scenario() decorator to configure() to unify with other types of plugins | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | + moved module with base plugin | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | in next patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213631/ I am finishing this work | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | and unifying Scenario with other plugin bases (making it subclass of Plugin) | 14:17 |
| kun_huang | another big patch | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: yep because we have to change all scenario plugins | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: now we have to specify explicit name of scenario | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | so after this patch we will be able to do few next things | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | 1) common deprecation mechanism for all types of plugisn | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | 2) common (scenario like) validation mechanism for all types of plugins | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | 3) common info mechanism | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | common types mechanism | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | and replace a bunch of bad code from rally engine/framework | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | that's all any questions? | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | kun_huang: rvasilets ikhudoshyn amaretskiy redixin ^ | 14:21 |
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| ikhudoshyn | not from my side | 14:22 |
| amaretskiy | no questions | 14:22 |
| rvasilets | About rally task abort review. There is only one place that need to have attention https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161636/57/rally/common/db/sqlalchemy/api.py Function in 142 line could be wrote in several ways. I choose this one. If you have great ideas please comment. eom | 14:22 |
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| rvasilets | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161636/57/rally/common/db/sqlalchemy/api.py | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: thanks anything about current topic? | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | okay moving to next topic | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | #topic [boris-42] Where is 0.1.0 release? | 14:23 |
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| boris-42 | So | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | We need to switch to plugin base scenarios and implement task aborts | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | I believe these are 2 most important topics | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | One more important is to switch to new reports | 14:24 |
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| boris-42 | somebody has some other ideas? | 14:24 |
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| amaretskiy | new reports sounds good, I'm currently working fixing issues reported in comments https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146814/ | 14:26 |
| amaretskiy | I believe there will be new patch set soon | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ok great | 14:26 |
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| boris-42 | okay seems like we discussed everything | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | see you next week | 14:27 |
| ikhudoshyn | wait) | 14:27 |
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| ikhudoshyn | wait pls | 14:28 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: ok | 14:28 |
| rvasilets | I have no questions | 14:28 |
| ikhudoshyn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211160/ nothing to discuss really. Just wanted to address A.Kurilin question. This patch is needed by ongoing work.. | 14:28 |
| ikhudoshyn | to use newer task format. | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: so you can describe that inside commit message | 14:29 |
| ikhudoshyn | The patch is separated to reduce pain of reviewing/merging/rebasing etc | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: it will be useful for other reviewers as well | 14:30 |
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| ikhudoshyn | make sense | 14:30 |
| ikhudoshyn | eom | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: okay | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | #topic open discussion | 14:31 |
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| boris-42 | does somebody have something to disucss? | 14:31 |
| oanufriev_ | no | 14:31 |
| amaretskiy | no | 14:31 |
| ikhudoshyn | no | 14:31 |
| rvasilets | no | 14:31 |
| boris-42 | okay let's finish meeting | 14:31 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 17 14:31:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-08-17-14.02.html | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-08-17-14.02.txt | 14:31 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-08-17-14.02.log.html | 14:31 |
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| anteaya | I'm stting in an airport lounge and I don't know if I have 2 minutes or 30 before boarding starts | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | so I will start the third-party meeting | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 17 15:02:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:02 |
| anteaya | so hello | 15:03 |
| anteaya | and I hope everyone is well today | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | as I said I am about to board a plane | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | so if anyone has anything to share do speak up | 15:04 |
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| wznoinsk | hi anteaya, nothing hear, only tunning in | 15:05 |
| wznoinsk | here* even | 15:05 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: hi | 15:05 |
| anteaya | thanks for tuning in | 15:05 |
| anteaya | I have no announcements | 15:05 |
| tim_o | same here, just tuning in | 15:05 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: willing to allow me to make you chair in case I lose service? | 15:06 |
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| wznoinsk | yes, no probs | 15:06 |
| asselin | o/ | 15:06 |
| wznoinsk | or asselin better | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | #chair wznoinsk asselin | 15:06 |
| openstack | Current chairs: anteaya asselin wznoinsk | 15:06 |
| anteaya | you both are | 15:06 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:06 |
| anteaya | I lost service when I tried to make you chair? | 15:07 |
| anteaya | s/?/:) | 15:07 |
| anteaya | hi tim_o thanks for tuning in | 15:07 |
| anteaya | asselin: welcome back | 15:07 |
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| asselin | good morning | 15:07 |
| anteaya | asselin: anything you want to share today? | 15:07 |
| anteaya | it is a good morning :) | 15:08 |
| wznoinsk | a long shot but did anyone hear of/used himself,herself/saw someone using containers for a CI? asking because we did it and somehow works ok for use, I was wondering if there are others interested | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: nice | 15:08 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: I think others would be | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: would you like to share some of the information about your setup? | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | what would be the best? a mailing list post to -infra? an etherpad and a link to a mailing list post? | 15:09 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: what might make sense to you? | 15:09 |
| wznoinsk | it's a simple one because we don't use any provisioning tool (like nodepool for VMs), we spawn containers on the jenkins slaves themselves | 15:09 |
| anteaya | interesting | 15:09 |
| anteaya | perhaps a post to the infra mailing list sharing the setup | 15:10 |
| * wznoinsk digs out an old irc meeting log | 15:10 | |
| wznoinsk | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-03-18-15.00.log.html | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | and then if more info is required folks reading the mailing list post can share their thoughts about that | 15:10 |
| wznoinsk | yes, it sounds like a good idea, I can send something to ML and see the response | 15:11 |
| anteaya | is there a time stamp that is useful for that log? | 15:11 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: I support that direction | 15:11 |
| anteaya | that would be great, thank you | 15:11 |
| asselin | wznoinsk, I remember this presentation | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | asselin: what do you think, would others be interested? | 15:12 |
| wznoinsk | asselin: good to hear ;-) | 15:12 |
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| rhe00 | I would be interested | 15:13 |
| asselin | anteaya, yes I believe so | 15:13 |
| anteaya | rhe00: thank you | 15:13 |
| anteaya | asselin: awesome | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | I look forward to your post wznoinsk | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | anything more on this topic? | 15:14 |
| wznoinsk | ... | 15:14 |
| anteaya | let's move on | 15:14 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss today? | 15:14 |
| wznoinsk | one case CI may be facing is access to the physical hardware on the host to test specific functionality, would you guys know is it pci passthrough used or rather baremetal stacking? | 15:14 |
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| wznoinsk | rhe00: check the above log and http://pastebin.com/972cE2mc and shout if questions | 15:15 |
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| asselin | wznoinsk, not sure I understand your question, but we use pci passthrough for cinder fibre channel driver tests | 15:15 |
| anteaya | sorry I should link that url | 15:15 |
| wznoinsk | ok, is it anyhow problematic/needs workaround or not? | 15:15 |
| anteaya | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-03-18-15.00.log.html | 15:15 |
| wznoinsk | <- asselin | 15:16 |
| anteaya | #link http://pastebin.com/972cE2mc | 15:16 |
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| asselin | wznoinsk, it's been working fine for us and patrickeast. not sure who else. | 15:17 |
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| wznoinsk | asselin: it sounds easy then, we on the other hand, can't use VMs as they have only one numa node and we run test using at least two | 15:18 |
| anteaya | time for me to board | 15:18 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:18 |
| anteaya | please continue | 15:18 |
| anteaya | I will read the log | 15:18 |
| wznoinsk | anteaya: have a good flight | 15:18 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 15:18 |
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| anteaya | thank you | 15:18 |
| asselin | anteaya, bon voyage | 15:18 |
| lennyb | Hi | 15:19 |
| wznoinsk | I'm then wondering what other cases can be 'not possible' with VMs that could potentially be workable when using containers for the builds | 15:19 |
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| wznoinsk | hi lennyb | 15:20 |
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| asselin | wznoinsk, I see containers as a way to possible improve ci performance | 15:20 |
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| wznoinsk | asselin: that's for sure, you have to be carefull with some 'shared' resources when you use containers tho, kernel/modules, hugepages etc. | 15:21 |
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| wznoinsk | all depends whether you run some exotic tests obviously, but that's probably not your case | 15:21 |
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| wznoinsk | if anyone has any questions about ci in containers (docker) I'm happy to sort you out or die trying | 15:23 |
| asselin | it would be nice if nodepool could also provision containers | 15:23 |
| wznoinsk | asselin: do you know whether there's any movement for it there? | 15:24 |
| asselin | wznoinsk, I don't think there is. | 15:24 |
| asselin | I'm not sure upstream can use containers with their public clouds | 15:24 |
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| mmedvede | In theory, if openstack supports docker containers, we should be able to reuse nodepool for third-party maintained cloud? | 15:26 |
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| wznoinsk | mmedvede: you mean provision vms in 3rd party cloud using nodepool and openstack to start containers inside? | 15:28 |
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| mmedvede | wznoinsk: yes. In theory, it should look the same to nodepool, so no reason it should not be possible | 15:29 |
| mmedvede | I did not try docker OpenStack hypervisor. There might be quirks | 15:29 |
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| wznoinsk | I think the ideal solution is if nodepool would support containers itself, then less failure points and overhead | 15:30 |
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| asselin | wznoinsk, I believe the nodepool design can support containers. It already supports vms & baremetal provisioning. | 15:32 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: was not aware of baremetal provisioning - so it does not use OpenStack for that? | 15:33 |
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| wznoinsk | it looks like it could be a quick win here | 15:34 |
| asselin | mmedvede, it should use ironic | 15:34 |
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| mmedvede | afaik, nodpool only can do what OpenStack can | 15:35 |
| wznoinsk | would you know how much/less difficult it would be to have openstack provisioning + cloudinit script instead of nodepool? | 15:35 |
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| asselin | wznoinsk, I think they're the same | 15:36 |
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| wznoinsk | I realized it just now, thanks | 15:37 |
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| asselin | nodepool tries to keep a supply of nodes available. It uses openstack apis to manage node lifecycle | 15:38 |
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| asselin | any other topic? | 15:42 |
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| asselin | wznoinsk, just saw this | 15:46 |
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| asselin | #link https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/dynamically-add-jenkins-slaves-using-kubernetes-yolanda-robla | 15:46 |
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| wznoinsk | looks interesting | 15:47 |
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| wznoinsk | btw. is nodepool in (or planned) in downstream ci? | 15:47 |
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| asselin | nodepool is planned to downstream-puppet | 15:48 |
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| wznoinsk | it looks like I have enough to read about now, that's all from me for this meeting | 15:49 |
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| asselin | anyone else have topics/questions to bring up? | 15:50 |
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| asselin | #end-meeting | 15:54 |
| asselin | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 17 15:54:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-08-17-15.02.html | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-08-17-15.02.txt | 15:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-08-17-15.02.log.html | 15:54 |
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| akuznetsova | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 17 16:02:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is akuznetsova. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:02 |
| akuznetsova | hi there | 16:02 |
| ^Gal^ | hellllo | 16:02 |
| m4dcoder | hi | 16:02 |
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| LimorStotland | hi | 16:02 |
| akuznetsova | Renat said, that he would be a little bit late | 16:02 |
| gpaz | Hi | 16:02 |
| akuznetsova | so, let's wait a little bit) | 16:03 |
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| akuznetsova | how are you, guys?) | 16:03 |
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| m4dcoder | doing good. how about yourself? | 16:04 |
| ^Gal^ | all's good, except the weather :D | 16:04 |
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| gpaz | Better than that and I ll get crazy ;) | 16:05 |
| akuznetsova | m4dcoder, I am fine and ready for work) | 16:05 |
| m4dcoder | :D | 16:05 |
| akuznetsova | ^Gal^, what's the problem with the weather? rainy? | 16:05 |
| akuznetsova | gpaz, )) | 16:06 |
| ^Gal^ | akuznetsova: I wish! | 16:06 |
| ^Gal^ | akuznetsova: too hot, way too hot! | 16:06 |
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| akuznetsova | ^Gal^, oh, last summer days) | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | hi everyone | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | sorry for being late | 16:06 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, hi | 16:07 |
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| m4dcoder | rakhmerov, hi! it's been awhile. | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, have you already discussed anything? | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: yeah, how are you? :) | 16:07 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, the weather) | 16:07 |
| m4dcoder | rakhmerov: doing good | 16:08 |
| m4dcoder | thx | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, weather is always a good topic :) | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's start then? | 16:08 |
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| akuznetsova | yes | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | the agenda is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MistralAgenda | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review action items | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | let me see what items we have (I missed the previous meeting) | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. akuznetsova create meeting for l-3 roadmap discussion | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | done | 16:10 |
| akuznetsova | yes | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova start a discussion in the ml about new community meeting time | 16:10 |
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| akuznetsova | I redirected it to you) | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | we will discuss it today a little later | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | 3. m4dcoder take a look at problem with postgresql unit tests running | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: did you have a chance to look at it? | 16:11 |
| m4dcoder | rakhmerov: sorry, i didn't get to it last week | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | we can discuss it later too | 16:12 |
| m4dcoder | it's still on my list of things to do. | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | Anastasia just sent an email today about it | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | ok, np | 16:12 |
| m4dcoder | ok. i'll take a look. | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | my status: finally released l-2 last week, with 2 weeks delay. Sorry for that | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | was involved in internal company activities so was not able to do a lot on Mistral | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | also drove a meeting about l-3 planning | 16:14 |
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| ^Gal^ | Current status: working on execution screen: 1. execution update modal 2. main execution screen - shortage of i/o columns when there's a lot of code | 16:14 |
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| akuznetsova | my status: sent a mail about problems with unit tests + real db, created corresponding bugs, plans: reanimate ./run_functional_tests.sh script | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | planning to take a couple of engine bugs and fix them | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: good, please do | 16:14 |
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| gpaz | Currently Limor and I working on inner Alcatel tasks (I m doing some Murano) . We have bugs that we will start to work I think after l-3 | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | I'd like to be able to use it when needed | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: how is it going with executions screen? do you see any roadblocks? need any help? | 16:15 |
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| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, ok, will try to fix it as soon as possible | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | gpaz: ok | 16:15 |
| gpaz | Some bugs = mistral bugs that assign on us | 16:15 |
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| ^Gal^ | rakhmerov: it is going good, don't see any roadblocks atm - will update if something comes up | 16:16 |
| m4dcoder | planning to revisit the postgresql unit test | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | gpaz: the only thing I'd really like to ask you is finish https://review.openstack.org/212080 | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | please try to allocate some time to finish it | 16:16 |
| nikolaym | My status: worked on with-items concurrency and with-items retry policy | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: good, thanks | 16:16 |
| gpaz | rakhmerov, I pushed a fix but I need to think how to test it... | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: I'd recommend to run Mistral engine tests and observe what's going on with a number of DB connections using some DB UI | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | I guess something devours DB connections, but I have no idea what exactly | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | theoretically there shouldn't be serious growth during tests' execution | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | gpaz: we'll take a look at your patch and provide some recommendation about testing, sounds ok? | 16:18 |
| m4dcoder | rakhmerov: i'm not sure i have a lot of bandwidth this week to go deep on the problem. i was planning just running the unit tests and see if there're any obvious items i can fix. | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, nikolaym: provide recommendations on how to test https://review.openstack.org/212080 | 16:19 |
| ^Gal^ | btw, think we had a previous action item that we haven't talked about recently which is the documentation | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: no problem, I'm not pushing at all | 16:19 |
| gpaz | rakhmerov, yes, sounds good. but didnt we say that bugs could handled after L-3 ? since currently I need to finish something in other project before code freez (Murano) | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | up to you | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | gpaz: no, I didn't mean that we need to stop fixing bugs :) I was just saying we're much more flexible on bugs | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | because we have to finish all new functionality and serious changes in L-3 | 16:20 |
| gpaz | rakhmerov, ok. np... | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | but we should keep fixing bugs anyway | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | gpaz: anyway, I'm not pushing (sorry if it felt like), we'll provide our recommendations and you'll choose the right time to get to working on it yourself | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:21 |
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| gpaz | rakhmerov, np, I want to fix that ASAP too. thanks | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's move on | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Liberty-3 progress | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | release page: https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/liberty-3 | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | so overall feeling is that it looks good | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | one BP needs review, 4 has marked as "good progress" and two have been started | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | I talked to Nikolay that https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-documentation has to be broken down into more concrete BPs | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | #action nikolaym break down https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-documentation into smaller BPs | 16:24 |
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| ^Gal^ | about the documentation - sounds good | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | and one more thing that I'm not sure about is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-execution-origin | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: yes :) Mistral's docs are really bad now, I recognize that | 16:25 |
| m4dcoder | rakhmerov: what are you unsure of? | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | so as for this BP, I think it's really important and I would love to have it done this cycle but I would think more about what exactly we want to achieve | 16:26 |
| m4dcoder | same with YAQL docs. we can't use Mistral w/o YAQL. | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | I'm not sure about what we should do, what would be the best approach | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: yep | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | so on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-execution-origin I suggest we brainstorm how to do it | 16:27 |
| m4dcoder | +1 | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | not here probably, we can take it to ML | 16:27 |
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| LimorStotland | +1 | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov start ML discussion about the best approach for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-execution-origin | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | so any ideas are very welcome | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | especially from those who is using Mistral all the time | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | (Winson and Alcatel) ;) | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | other than that I don't have much on L-3 topic | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | so let's move on | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | any questions on this part? | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | before we jump to the next one? | 16:29 |
| m4dcoder | rakhmerov: since i registered that bp, i can start the ML thread with some initial thoughts. | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: ok, please do | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | appreciate that | 16:30 |
| m4dcoder | np | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | #topic New meeting time | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | so Alcatel folks asked to consider a different weekly meeting time | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | is that right? | 16:31 |
| gpaz | its 7pm for us ... and we thought to check if we can do that earlier | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | if yes could you please share your concers about the current time? | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:32 |
| gpaz | Depend off course with all others | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | so you have to have long hours, I see | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | so the challenge is that looks like we can't really satisfy all the members | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | because we all are from completely different time zone | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | for example, for me it's now 22.33 :) | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | for Winson it's 9.33 am | 16:33 |
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| gpaz | oh ok | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | in Israel it's 7.33 pm | 16:33 |
| gpaz | I didnt know that someone in the morning | 16:33 |
| gpaz | :) | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | so | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | if we want to have it, for example, one hour earlier the only option for me is Tue | 16:34 |
| ^Gal^ | think we should have some sort of days of the week and times table | 16:34 |
| ^Gal^ | and everyone would check their best blocks | 16:34 |
| gpaz | So I guess this time is good for everyone (the current time) | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | but I checked all the timeslots and there are no available ones, unfortunately | 16:34 |
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| gpaz | From where is Wilson ? :) | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | and for US folks it will be too early | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | SF Bay area | 16:35 |
| m4dcoder | i can do an 8 am, just don't do it on Mon. :D | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: I see | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | so another option is to have it on mornings for me and folks in Israel | 16:35 |
| m4dcoder | how about US PM time? 10 PM PST? | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | then for Winson it will be late evening | 16:36 |
| m4dcoder | probably prefer that then early AM. lol | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: you're sure it would be ok for you? | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, I see | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | gpaz: how about that? what do you think? | 16:36 |
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| m4dcoder | we can try that for a release cycle. | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | for example, if it was at 8 or 9 am your time? | 16:37 |
| m4dcoder | maybe start with M cycle and we can revisit the meeting time for N. | 16:37 |
| gpaz | So after all that I think the current time is ok “Lesser of Two Evils” :) | 16:37 |
| m4dcoder | so i'm ok with 8 AM (no Mondays) or 10 PM PST. | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: ooh, we have about 3 months in L cycle, it's a little bit too much :) | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | ok, so | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | thinking... | 16:38 |
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| ^Gal^ | there must be an online gmt tool to get everyone to vote on their time slots | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | how about that? I'll suggest 3-4 timeslots and we'll vote in ML | 16:39 |
| LimorStotland | ok i think it's a bit complicated just lets leave it as it is | 16:39 |
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| gpaz | I do not think that choosing according to the majority is correct. Everyone should be comfortable and current time seems right to me. | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | hm | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: is the current time ok for you? | 16:40 |
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| m4dcoder | i'm ok as is. but can change if convenient for others. | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, then let's leave it as it is for now unless someone has strong objections | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | is everyone ok with that? | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | then | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:42 |
| gpaz | I do. we can discussed that in Tokyo ;) | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | yeah :) | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | gpaz: will you be there? | 16:43 |
| gpaz | Apparently.. | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | cool | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | do you drink beer? :) | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | I wonder what kind of beer Japanese have ) | 16:44 |
| gpaz | Not too much ... | 16:44 |
| gpaz | they have : Asahi | 16:44 |
| gpaz | very good | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | alright, I'll buy you beer :) | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | to all of the members who comes :) | 16:45 |
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| gpaz | https://www.asahibeer.com/index.psp.html | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | ok :) | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | good | 16:46 |
| gpaz | I hear they make great jellyfish and octopuses ;) | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, I bet :) | 16:46 |
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| akuznetsova | sake | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | so, do you guys have anything else to discuss? | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | sake! :))) | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | or I can buy you all sake :) | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | at your choice | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's finish the meeting | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | thanks for coming | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | bye! | 16:48 |
| m4dcoder | thanks! | 16:48 |
| gpaz | thanks.. bye bye | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: can you please end the meeting? | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | (you started it) | 16:48 |
| akuznetsova | sure) | 16:48 |
| akuznetsova | bye! | 16:48 |
| akuznetsova | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 17 16:49:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-08-17-16.02.html | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-08-17-16.02.txt | 16:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-08-17-16.02.log.html | 16:49 |
| ^Gal^ | bye | 16:49 |
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| rluethi | anyone? | 17:01 |
| matjazp | hi | 17:01 |
| matjazp | who else? | 17:01 |
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| rluethi | hey, matjazp! sorry I couldn't be here last week. | 17:01 |
| matjazp | np, it was just me and vigneshvar, so we just postponed it | 17:02 |
| matjazp | should we start? | 17:02 |
| rluethi | I read the log | 17:02 |
| rluethi | sure. do you want to chair? | 17:02 |
| matjazp | sean is not here | 17:02 |
| matjazp | sure | 17:02 |
| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 17 17:02:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:02 |
| matjazp | roll call | 17:02 |
| rluethi | here | 17:02 |
| matjazp | anyone else? | 17:03 |
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| rluethi | everyone's on vacation maybe? | 17:03 |
| rluethi | no idea. | 17:04 |
| matjazp | hmmm | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | I would really like do discuss a status of the project | 17:04 |
| rluethi | let's do that, then. | 17:04 |
| rluethi | #topic status of project | 17:04 |
| matjazp | #topic status of the project | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | roger, you know more than me about this? | 17:05 |
| matjazp | I am a bit in the dark about it | 17:06 |
| rluethi | I doubt it. I heard that something was going on while you were on vacation, but I'm not sure what the plan is, either. | 17:06 |
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| rluethi | What I do know is that the labs scripts are getting a repo of their own. | 17:06 |
| matjazp | yes, we talked about it | 17:07 |
| rluethi | As you know, the scripts is the part I have been really involved with. | 17:07 |
| rluethi | And we were fortunate to have a small but fairly dedicated team working on the scripts. | 17:07 |
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| matjazp | but from what I understand, this is not a second repo under Training guides, but it is separate project, or Specailty team at Docs | 17:07 |
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| rluethi | And then we even got newcomers like vigneshvar to help us out. | 17:08 |
| rluethi | something like that, I think. I am not sure myself. I have to admit I didn't pay too much attention. | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | you don't know the details of it? | 17:09 |
| rluethi | I believe the idea is to have the labs scripts be more visible and used by other projects outside training-guides, e.g. install-guides. | 17:09 |
| matjazp | so what is the status of the rest of the project? | 17:10 |
| rluethi | there's been a blueprint that just got accepted, I'm sure you saw that. | 17:10 |
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| rluethi | I am wondering about that, too. sarob seems to be AWOL, reed has sort of moved on, so it seems to be just you know who works on training content. | 17:11 |
| rluethi | That is my impression, anyway. | 17:11 |
| rluethi | So I guess I should ask _you_ what the plans are for the rest of the project. | 17:12 |
| matjazp | well I still want to work on it | 17:12 |
| rluethi | I think the content was moving in the right direction, but too slowly. No surprise there, lacking manpower. | 17:13 |
| rluethi | You can't do it all alone. | 17:13 |
| matjazp | yes, that's true. | 17:14 |
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| rluethi | I suspect I may be out of the loop, but my guess is that you should talk to Lana and present your vision for the project. | 17:14 |
| matjazp | that's why I wanted to talk about all this with the rest of the team | 17:14 |
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| rluethi | Because you look like the likely lead for the training-guides project. | 17:15 |
| matjazp | I am surprised about the lack of transparency, though | 17:15 |
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| annegentle | matjazp: I don't think the point has been to hide anything, it's just hard to communicate | 17:16 |
| annegentle | time zones, channels, lack of responses from Sean | 17:16 |
| annegentle | it's all difficult to coordinate | 17:16 |
| rluethi | It is my understanding that there were some efforts behind the scenes to resolve everything, and when that didn't work, decision making kept going on outside of public channels for some time. | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | sure, but sean is not the only team member | 17:16 |
| annegentle | rluethi: I don't think behind the scenes is a good description | 17:17 |
| rluethi | A bit unfortunate. I think the labs team was better informed because we keep in touch anyway. | 17:17 |
| annegentle | matjazp: absolutely | 17:17 |
| annegentle | matjazp: the email from Aug 5th is the summary | 17:18 |
| annegentle | matjazp: can you write back on that thread with your concerns? | 17:18 |
| rluethi | annegentle: sorry, I just meant that there private discussions. I also prefer private discussions when I want to gather input and find a solution to a problem. | 17:18 |
| annegentle | matjazp: and any solutions you have/ideas to offer | 17:18 |
| matjazp | annegentle: 1. to establish who still wants to work on the guides | 17:19 |
| annegentle | rluethi: Please, private discussions are not the OpenStack way. Please refrain from characterizing them that way. People needed to vent, and we always have outlets for that. However we also bring issues into the open. Once people get a chance to talk through them. | 17:19 |
| matjazp | 2. reignite the effort | 17:19 |
| annegentle | matjazp: great, please write back on the ml thread. The topic is Labs/Training Guides | 17:20 |
| annegentle | matjazp: I think 1. is definitely attainable. However if the answer does not give enough ignition then 2 cannot happen, and we'll need to work through that. | 17:20 |
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| annegentle | matjazp: you'll also need to consider that labs are going to be separate from guides | 17:21 |
| annegentle | matjazp: so take that into account when characterizing effort and recruiting :) | 17:21 |
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| rluethi | annegentle: I think we have a misunderstanding here. If I have a problem, I try to resolve it quietly with those involved and don't make a public example of them. I appreciate it if others do the same. I don't like if actual decisions are take in secret and then presented as fact to the public. | 17:21 |
| annegentle | rluethi: does that separation help clarify? | 17:21 |
| matjazp | annegentle: yes, I intend to. But first I wanted to talk with others about that. You know, to count the ppl who wants to be involved | 17:22 |
| annegentle | rluethi: yeah I think we're in agreement I just reacted to the wording -- it's a balancing act | 17:22 |
| annegentle | matjazp: sure | 17:22 |
| annegentle | matjazp: sounds good then | 17:22 |
| annegentle | matjazp: you know what to communicate, rluethi: you also know what to communicate | 17:22 |
| rluethi | annegentle: do I? | 17:23 |
| annegentle | if you think docs specialty teams is the way to go, then yes. | 17:23 |
| matjazp | annegentle: I didn't really care that much about the "official" status of the project | 17:23 |
| annegentle | rluethi: how you arrived at that conclusion is not relevant to the way forward | 17:24 |
| rluethi | I just want the labs scripts to work and be useful to as many people as possible. | 17:24 |
| annegentle | matjazp: ah, that's good input. Because anything published on docs.openstack.org is considered "official" and has been problematic when maintenance stalls. | 17:24 |
| annegentle | rluethi: yep | 17:24 |
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| annegentle | do you see why we're trying to find a way forward? | 17:24 |
| matjazp | annegentle: sure, as do I | 17:25 |
| matjazp | I do think it is unfortunate that we didn't talk about all this on these meetings | 17:25 |
| annegentle | matjazp: so a team forming will need to work within OpenStack frameworks, ya know? | 17:25 |
| annegentle | matjazp: me too, but IRC is tough (I probably sound interruptive, for example) | 17:25 |
| annegentle | matjazp: and timezones, oh the timezones | 17:25 |
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| matjazp | annegentle: ok. so to sum it up | 17:27 |
| matjazp | 1. Labs are now outside the training guides | 17:28 |
| matjazp | 2. Training guides needs to refocus | 17:28 |
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| matjazp | 3. We use Docs ML to talk about the future of it | 17:29 |
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| annegentle | to me there are still outstanding items to discuss/communicate: Training guides from Icehouse are no longer published. | 17:30 |
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| annegentle | There are some slide decks that we need to find out what to do with, are they being maintained, by whom. | 17:30 |
| matjazp | annegentle: yes, the scope of the project needs to be rewritten | 17:30 |
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| annegentle | and, user group training seems to be the focus of the project? That's still a bit unclear | 17:30 |
| annegentle | matjazp: can you bring this to the ml? | 17:30 |
| annegentle | I mean, do you have enough info to kick off the discussion? | 17:31 |
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| matjazp | annegentle: sure, I guess I do. | 17:31 |
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| annegentle | and, do you understand the discussion points? I mean, I'm happy to help facilitate but both Lana and I are not the point person for training. | 17:32 |
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| annegentle | heh that was weird sentence construction there :) | 17:32 |
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| annegentle | trying to say, we want to resolve it, but need someone else to be the starting point/contact point | 17:33 |
| annegentle | and I think you can do that matjazp | 17:33 |
| annegentle | frees up rluethi and co to concentrate on labs | 17:33 |
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| matjazp | well I'm still willing to work on it, thats for sure | 17:34 |
| annegentle | matjazp: excellent, let's see what comes of the discussion | 17:34 |
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| matjazp | ok, lets try to continue that discussion and see where it takes us | 17:36 |
| annegentle | Okay sounds good. Do you want an action for the notes? | 17:36 |
| annegentle | meeting note | 17:36 |
| annegentle | s | 17:36 |
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| annegentle | can't type! | 17:36 |
| annegentle | I'll do some info summaries | 17:37 |
| matjazp | #action matjazp starts a discussion about the training guides on the ML | 17:37 |
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| annegentle | #info Training labs becoming specialty team within docs | 17:37 |
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| annegentle | #info Training guides are no longer published from icehouse branch; need a plan for training guides team, contributors, maintenance | 17:38 |
| annegentle | #action matjazp to send query to openstack-docs mailing list asking about training-guides plans | 17:38 |
| annegentle | #undo | 17:38 |
| annegentle | heh my action is slow | 17:39 |
| matjazp | np, thnx for infos | 17:39 |
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| matjazp | I guess thats it? anyone else? | 17:40 |
| rluethi | I have some labs infos. | 17:41 |
| matjazp | rluethi: shoot | 17:41 |
| rluethi | new topic? :-) | 17:41 |
| matjazp | ah | 17:41 |
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| matjazp | #topic labs | 17:41 |
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| rluethi | I did a forward port of my KVM patch. | 17:41 |
| rluethi | It doesn't do everything (e.g. no snapshots), but it builds a basedisk and a cluster. | 17:42 |
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| rluethi | and to switch the scripts from VirtualBox to KVM, only one variable has to be set. | 17:42 |
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| rluethi | I did this mostly because some prefer testing with KVM _and_ the CI infrastructure doesn't do VirtualBox. | 17:42 |
| rluethi | so we should be able to have CI in the forseeable future. | 17:43 |
| matjazp | rluethi: and vbox cant do nested virtaulization :) | 17:43 |
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| rluethi | it can, just veeeery slowly :-). | 17:43 |
| matjazp | rluethi: its now usabe for anything besides pinging in cirros ;) | 17:44 |
| matjazp | now=not | 17:44 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: pinging in cirros happens to be precisely what I need. | 17:44 |
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| rluethi | so yeah, that was it. big announcement :-). | 17:45 |
| matjazp | rluethi: yes, but the scenarios have to support more: eg. we tried to run windows on this, but gave up after 40 min bootup time | 17:45 |
| rluethi | don't do that, then. | 17:45 |
| rluethi | on the labs cluster, or on virtualbox in general? | 17:46 |
| matjazp | rluethi: I don't (anymore :) | 17:46 |
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| matjazp | labs cluster | 17:46 |
| rluethi | wow. | 17:46 |
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| rluethi | well, then the KVM patch should help. | 17:47 |
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| rluethi | problem with KVM is that it seems to be configured differently on every distro. | 17:47 |
| rluethi | virtualbox, if it's installed, always works the same. | 17:47 |
| matjazp | yes, it enables a HW supported nested virtualization, so it is much quicker | 17:47 |
| rluethi | except on opensuse tumbleweed where I ran into weird problems. | 17:48 |
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| rluethi | the training-guides repo is frozen, but I'll send you a patch if you are interested. | 17:48 |
| rluethi | (frozen wrt to the labs scripts) | 17:49 |
| matjazp | sure, always interested to try that | 17:49 |
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| rluethi | okay, give me some days to cut a patch without all the debug junk. | 17:50 |
| rluethi | feel free to ping me should I forget. | 17:50 |
| matjazp | rluethi: sure, thnx | 17:50 |
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| rluethi | so, are we done for today? | 17:51 |
| matjazp | looks like it | 17:51 |
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| matjazp | bye | 17:51 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 17 17:51:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-08-17-17.02.html | 17:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-08-17-17.02.txt | 17:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-08-17-17.02.log.html | 17:51 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting akanda | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 17 18:00:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: akanda)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'akanda' | 18:00 |
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| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/akanda#Agenda | 18:01 |
| sarob | roll call | 18:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 18:01 |
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| adam_g | o/ | 18:01 |
| puranamr | o/ | 18:02 |
| sarob | morning/afternoon | 18:02 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 18:03 |
| sarob | #topic outstanding actions | 18:03 |
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| sarob | get versioning sane across stable branches (#1481877 | 18:03 |
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| sarob | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1481877 | 18:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1481877 in akanda "stable/juno branches are versioned incorrectly" [Undecided,New] | 18:04 |
| sarob | looks like this is mine | 18:04 |
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| sarob | i will do a bit of research and update the bug | 18:05 |
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| sarob | looks like that was the only outstanding action from last week | 18:06 |
| sarob | moving on | 18:06 |
| sarob | #topic critical bugs | 18:06 |
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| sarob | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1470673 | 18:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470673 in akanda "pbr version numbering doesn't match semantic versioning" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Sean Roberts (sarob) | 18:06 |
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| sarob | this is related to the other bug | 18:06 |
| sarob | i will update this one based on the meeting notes from previous | 18:07 |
| sarob | thats it for critical bugs | 18:08 |
| adam_g | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481463 | 18:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1481463 in akanda "cant delete akanda ports" [High,In progress] | 18:08 |
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| adam_g | addressed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209267/ | 18:08 |
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| sarob | sure lets talk about that one | 18:09 |
| markmcclain | it's all old dead code that we left around because we thought we might make it an active feature | 18:10 |
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| markmcclain | we're better off just removing it | 18:10 |
| sarob | ill review to push through | 18:10 |
| sarob | done | 18:11 |
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| adam_g | cool | 18:11 |
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| sarob | #topic progress on bp | 18:13 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: you around? | 18:13 |
| davidlenwell | yep | 18:13 |
| sarob | update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/appliance-provisioning-driver | 18:14 |
| davidlenwell | markmcclain and I are going to work today to break down the remaining work into smaller pieces | 18:14 |
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| sarob | the results partly going into the spec? | 18:16 |
| davidlenwell | a patch for generic drivers support is in flight.. but there are some unanswered questions that we will work through today. | 18:16 |
| davidlenwell | sarob: yes.. I'll update the "work items" in the spec to match what we break down today. | 18:16 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: right on | 18:16 |
| davidlenwell | so that spec is still not ready to merge .. don't merge it please | 18:16 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: hands off here | 18:17 |
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| sarob | you and markmcclain make some good progress | 18:17 |
| davidlenwell | yessier | 18:17 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: ;) | 18:18 |
| sarob | adam_g: update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/rug-scaling | 18:18 |
| adam_g | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195366/ is the main patch for that, ready to review | 18:19 |
| adam_g | ive been piling on some improvement / fixes on top of that | 18:19 |
| adam_g | probably some more this week | 18:19 |
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| sarob | adam_g: sounds good | 18:19 |
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| markmcclain | in that series it would help if some others reviewed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198176/12 | 18:20 |
| sarob | markmcclain: update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/appliance-ha | 18:20 |
| markmcclain | no progress due to some other stuff | 18:20 |
| sarob | markmcclain: should we plan on pushing this to the next release? | 18:21 |
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| markmcclain | possibly.. the driver work will impact this as well | 18:21 |
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| sarob | okay, i will go ahead and do that for now | 18:22 |
| sarob | adam_g: update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/nodepool-support | 18:23 |
| adam_g | spec is still up awaiting review | 18:23 |
| markmcclain | adam_g: sorry that one slipped through.. I'll go back and read it | 18:23 |
| sarob | can i friend get an review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194882/ | 18:23 |
| adam_g | np | 18:23 |
| sarob | cool | 18:23 |
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| sarob | i believe https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/lbaas-v2-support and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/octavia-integration are blocked | 18:25 |
| sarob | markmcclain: and davidlenwell breaking up the driver bp should help unblock | 18:26 |
| markmcclain | they are | 18:26 |
| sarob | puranamr: update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/reduce-vm-footprint | 18:27 |
| sarob | puranamr: you are still planning on adding performance details to this? | 18:27 |
| puranamr | sarob: planning to break the content into two parts | 18:28 |
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| sarob | puranamr: two different bp or sections in the bp | 18:28 |
| puranamr | one which captures the possible identified performance bottle necks and later supported with actual results | 18:28 |
| puranamr | may be two bp would make sense | 18:28 |
| markmcclain | I think this should be delayed | 18:28 |
| sarob | markmcclain: which what? | 18:29 |
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| markmcclain | the reduce vm footprint | 18:29 |
| puranamr | markmcclain: we thought of using this bp to add the performance activity too | 18:29 |
| sarob | markmcclain: or you favor creating a separate bp? | 18:30 |
| puranamr | the reduce vm footprint would be of lower prio though at this point | 18:30 |
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| markmcclain | the size of the vm image and tweaking the running configuration are independent of each other | 18:30 |
| markmcclain | so should be distinct blueprints | 18:30 |
| sarob | sounds good to me | 18:31 |
| sarob | puranamr: you good with that? | 18:31 |
| markmcclain | or realistically if the perf improvements are likely more bug sized | 18:31 |
| markmcclain | vs having a super heavy weight write up | 18:31 |
| sarob | markmcclain: we should start with a plan | 18:31 |
| puranamr | sarob: ok with splitting | 18:31 |
| puranamr | markmcclain: it is not heavy writeup, but spelling out identified areas for further focus | 18:32 |
| sarob | markmcclain: it doesnt need to be a huge deal, just a plan that others will know where puranamr is going | 18:32 |
| sarob | puranamr: what you said | 18:32 |
| markmcclain | right.. realistically those are bugs with tags | 18:32 |
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| markmcclain | tag = vm-performance-improvement | 18:33 |
| markmcclain | or something like that | 18:33 |
| puranamr | sarob: markmcclain: sounds ok to me | 18:33 |
| sarob | puranamr: if you can identify a group of performance improvements as bugs, it works for me | 18:34 |
| puranamr | sarob: ok to call them out in the bp and then split as bugs? | 18:34 |
| sarob | i think markmcclain was suggesting bugs instead of bp | 18:35 |
| sarob | bp is generally for new features | 18:35 |
| puranamr | sarob: ok | 18:35 |
| sarob | bugs to fix whats broke | 18:36 |
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| sarob | was that what you were saying markmcclain? | 18:36 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. and we can tag the bugs | 18:37 |
| markmcclain | so that we can follow the series of performance improvements | 18:38 |
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| sarob | moving on | 18:39 |
| sarob | #topic any other business | 18:39 |
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| adam_g | sarob, whats the plan for getting the liberty-2 milestone tagged? | 18:40 |
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| sarob | adam_g: im going to do bit of doubling the state of the repos | 18:41 |
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| sarob | adam_g: as we discussed if the repo hasnt got a patch since 2015.2.0b1, i will | 18:42 |
| sarob | adam_g: push a dummy patch to move the head | 18:42 |
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| sarob | akanda-horizon is one for sure | 18:42 |
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| adam_g | sarob, im more curious about what schedule we're following. we set the release of liberty milestone-2 as 07-30 but we're still tracking in progress blueprints as if that date is still a month way | 18:43 |
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| adam_g | is it safe to say we're following our own schedule this cycle? | 18:43 |
| sarob | adam_g: ah, | 18:43 |
| sarob | adam_g: we hadnt formally discussed, | 18:43 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. and we're only 2 weeks from the traditional milestone-3 | 18:44 |
| sarob | adam_g: i am leaning towards cutting 2015.2.0b2 this week | 18:44 |
| adam_g | should we stop and set some dates for our remaining milestones and RCs? | 18:44 |
| sarob | adam_g: lets | 18:45 |
| markmcclain | yeah | 18:45 |
| adam_g | i fear we'll still be spinning on the same blueprints when the rest of openstack is cutting their RCs | 18:45 |
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| adam_g | sarob, there are no complete liberty-2 blueprints | 18:46 |
| sarob | adam_g: that is correct | 18:46 |
| adam_g | https://launchpad.net/akanda/+milestone/liberty-2 | 18:46 |
| adam_g | ... so if you're cutting liberty-2 this week, those should be retargetting to liberty-3, making liberty-2 mostly bug fixes only | 18:47 |
| sarob | adam_g: that sounds right to me | 18:47 |
| adam_g | if thast the plan, lets set a date for L3 and stick to it | 18:47 |
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| sarob | adam_g: id like that | 18:47 |
| adam_g | RCs start sept 21 | 18:48 |
| markmcclain | I was thinking that week or 28th | 18:48 |
| adam_g | general openstack liberty-3 is sep 1-3 according to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 18:48 |
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| sarob | the dates for https://launchpad.net/akanda/liberty | 18:49 |
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| sarob | are the official ones | 18:49 |
| adam_g | sarob, those need to change, then | 18:50 |
| markmcclain | are we really going to have an FF period? if not I think we can collapse l3 on rc1 and release it 9/21 | 18:50 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, release == rc1? | 18:51 |
| sarob | markmcclain: that sounds about right to me | 18:51 |
| markmcclain | yes | 18:51 |
| adam_g | ok | 18:52 |
| sarob | everyone else following this? | 18:52 |
| adam_g | if sarob tags the late liberty-2 this week and we cut RC1 on 09/21.. where do we put liberty-3? do we realistically expect everyting currently in https://launchpad.net/akanda/+milestone/liberty-2 to be done for l3? | 18:53 |
| sarob | one month for each of the bp | 18:54 |
| adam_g | its currently targeted for 09/03 | 18:54 |
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| markmcclain | I was thinking we could just skip liberty-3 | 18:54 |
| adam_g | im not opposed to that | 18:54 |
| sarob | markmcclain: hmm, simplier | 18:54 |
| adam_g | the milestones didnt really do much for us | 18:54 |
| adam_g | (so far) | 18:55 |
| markmcclain | right | 18:55 |
| sarob | few bugs would be moved to longer l2 | 18:55 |
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| sarob | no real impact other than that | 18:55 |
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| sarob | sounds like we are in agreement | 18:56 |
| markmcclain | I'm advocating we just cut liberty-2 now-ish and then our next tag will be RC | 18:56 |
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| adam_g | markmcclain, +1 | 18:57 |
| sarob | markmcclain: +1 | 18:57 |
| sarob | any one else? | 18:57 |
| puranamr | markmcclain: +1 | 18:57 |
| adam_g | thats roughly 5 weeks, ya? | 18:57 |
| adam_g | everyhone get to work :) | 18:57 |
| sarob | adam_g: yup, and yup | 18:57 |
| adam_g | almost at time | 18:58 |
| sarob | ill call it there | 18:58 |
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| sarob | #action l3 will be eliminated | 18:58 |
| sarob | #action sarob check up on his critical versioning bugs | 18:59 |
| sarob | thats all folks | 18:59 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 17 18:59:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-08-17-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-08-17-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-08-17-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
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| armax | hi | 20:59 |
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| xgerman | hi | 20:59 |
| markmcclain | hi | 20:59 |
| tidwellr1 | hi | 20:59 |
| rkukura | hi | 21:00 |
| pc_m | hi | 21:00 |
| salv-orl_ | aloha | 21:00 |
| regXboi | moo | 21:00 |
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| armax | mestery is going to be a bit late | 21:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 21:00 |
| ihrachyshka | howdy | 21:00 |
| Sukhdev | hello | 21:00 |
| armax | I’ll kick off the meeting and he’ll join us shortly | 21:00 |
| regXboi | linuxcon strikes again! | 21:00 |
| neiljerram_bb | o/ | 21:00 |
| hoangcx | Hi | 21:00 |
| annp | hi | 21:00 |
| armax | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 17 21:00:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 21:01 |
| anteaya | <-- sitting in a plane, waiting to take off | 21:01 |
| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:01 |
| Sukhdev | anteaya: have a safe flight | 21:01 |
| anteaya | Sukhdev: thanks | 21:01 |
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| armax | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 21:02 |
| yamahata | hi | 21:02 |
| armax | Liberty-3 is 2 weeks away | 21:02 |
| HenryG | Does that count for stadium repos too? | 21:03 |
| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty#OpenStack_Liberty_Release_Notes | 21:03 |
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| armax | HenryG: I wouldn’t think so | 21:03 |
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| armax | HenryG: each repo has its own release schedule | 21:04 |
| armax | HenryG: so it depends | 21:04 |
| dougwig | HenryG: you can look at the repo tags in the governance file to see which is which w.r.t. release | 21:04 |
| Sukhdev | armax: I thought they will tag the repos along with the main release, no? | 21:04 |
| armax | #link https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/projects.yaml#L1241 | 21:04 |
| salv-orl_ | Sukhdev: where they are? | 21:05 |
| salv-orl_ | sorry I mean what do you meant by "they" | 21:05 |
| Sukhdev | salv-orl_: the infra folks - I thought they will be tagging the releases | 21:05 |
| armax | HenryG, Sukhdev look for the release tag | 21:05 |
| anteaya | the release team taeks care of what they are responsible fore | 21:05 |
| anteaya | infra tags zero releases | 21:05 |
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| anteaya | well except for infra tools | 21:06 |
| salv-orl_ | I think openstack-infra has already thousands of duties. They surely don't want to fiddle with release tags too | 21:06 |
| armax | the Neutron stable team might, but I understand that the process is still happening | 21:06 |
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| armax | when mestery is around he’ll be able to provide more input | 21:06 |
| armax | #action mestery to clarify release process for neutron stadium repos | 21:07 |
| armax | he’ll probably need to file a patch to http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/doc/source/policies | 21:07 |
| armax | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/doc/source/policies/office-hours.rst | 21:08 |
| armax | looks interesting | 21:08 |
| armax | anyhoo moving on? | 21:08 |
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| armax | moving on... | 21:09 |
| armax | #topic Bugs | 21:09 |
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| salv-orl_ | yes moooooooving on | 21:09 |
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| salv-orl_ | baaaaaaags ;) | 21:09 |
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| armax | we got a number of baaaaags to look at | 21:10 |
| armax | bug 1404743 | 21:10 |
| openstack | bug 1404743 in neutron "sporadic test failures due to VMs not getting a DHCP lease" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1404743 - Assigned to Ryan Moats (rmoats) | 21:10 |
| regXboi | yes? | 21:10 |
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| regXboi | I'm preparing to call this closable | 21:10 |
| armax | ok | 21:10 |
| regXboi | I've not seen spurious SSH timeouts since 8/11 - it looks like infra's fix of the nodepool bug got this one as well | 21:11 |
| armax | regXboi: no longer lurking around? | 21:11 |
| regXboi | regXboi: I'm always lurking :) | 21:11 |
| regXboi | armax: I'm still seeing the timeouts - but in general, that's because the code is messed up, not the infra | 21:11 |
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| armax | regXboi: there was a fix from kevinbenton | 21:12 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181674/ | 21:12 |
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| regXboi | armax: I don't think that's necessary at this time | 21:12 |
| armax | that was supposed to synchronize l2 and dhcp, perhaps it’s worh a look in this context? | 21:12 |
| armax | regXboi: not exactly the same failure mode | 21:13 |
| regXboi | armax: no, not exactly the same failure mode, but I'm not seeing it either | 21:13 |
| armax | sorry I mean root cause, but same failure mode? | 21:13 |
| regXboi | so, bottom line is that I have to update the bug (assuming the 7d kibana clears) | 21:13 |
| regXboi | and declare it closable for now | 21:14 |
| regXboi | and if it comes back, we hunt it some more | 21:14 |
| armax | ultimately all issues lead to lack of connectivity | 21:14 |
| armax | ok | 21:14 |
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| armax | bug 1477192 | 21:14 |
| openstack | bug 1477192 in neutron "neutron test_multi_prefix_slaac failing in the gate with ping failures starting around 7/22" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1477192 - Assigned to Henry Gessau (gessau) | 21:14 |
| armax | HenryG: you’re up | 21:14 |
| HenryG | The logstash query was wrong | 21:15 |
| HenryG | https://review.openstack.org/212180 | 21:15 |
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| HenryG | AFAICT the bug is no longer happening | 21:15 |
| HenryG | But I don't know when it stopped or what fixed it | 21:15 |
| armax | HenryG: don’t you love when bugs just go away on their own? | 21:15 |
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| HenryG | they are the best and the worst | 21:16 |
| armax | mlavalle: same faith to bug 1461172? | 21:16 |
| openstack | bug 1461172 in neutron "neutron.tests.functional.agent.test_l3_agent.MetadataL3AgentTestCase.test_access_to_metadata_proxy times out intermittently" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1461172 - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 21:16 |
| anteaya | when the pop up again | 21:16 |
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| salv-orl_ | armax: I think we're old enough to know that it's not true | 21:16 |
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| armax | salv-orl_: I was making a joke ;) | 21:16 |
| mlavalle | armax: I just started looking at this bug this morning | 21:16 |
| salv-orl_ | bugs tend to hide very well to stab you in the back when you less expect it | 21:16 |
| mlavalle | armax: I haven't been able to reproduce in my local system.... I've been running it all day long | 21:17 |
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| mlavalle | so it is going to take some "sleuthing" | 21:17 |
| armax | #chair mestery | 21:17 |
| openstack | Current chairs: armax mestery | 21:17 |
| mestery | armax: Thanks ... I think o_O | 21:17 |
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| armax | mestery: I bow and get myself at ease | 21:17 |
| mestery | armax: Where are we in the agenda now? | 21:18 |
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| regXboi | folks ... remember that infra had a bug in nodepool where multiple nodes would get the same IP address | 21:18 |
| mestery | Apologies for being late, had a late lunch at Linuxcon today ;) | 21:18 |
| armax | mestery: bugs | 21:18 |
| salv-orl_ | mestery: roaches | 21:18 |
| regXboi | ALL of these sound like they could have been caused by this | 21:18 |
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| armax | mestery: we at at number 4 of the lot | 21:18 |
| mestery | armax: OK, shall we move on to #5 now? | 21:18 |
| ihrachyshka | regXboi, was nodepool fixed? because afaik I see it failing again on that test (the .gitreview patch) | 21:19 |
| regXboi | ihrachyshka: my understanding was the particular problem related to IP addresses was fixed | 21:19 |
| armax | well bug 1439696 (#4) wasn’t discussed yet | 21:19 |
| openstack | bug 1439696 in neutron "Referencing a lb-healthmonitor ID for the first time from Heat would fail" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1439696 - Assigned to Doug Wiegley (dougwig) | 21:19 |
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| armax | dougwig will probably tell us that the bug no longer shows up? | 21:20 |
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| salv-orl_ | armax: probably dougwig itself no longer show sup ;) | 21:20 |
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| mestery | Well, with regards to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1439696 | 21:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439696 in neutron "Referencing a lb-healthmonitor ID for the first time from Heat would fail" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Doug Wiegley (dougwig) | 21:21 |
| armax | poor dougwig | 21:21 |
| mestery | I know dougwig has been busy saving our stable *aaS lately ;) | 21:21 |
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| dougwig | i haven't looked at anything but the gate bombs since last week. | 21:21 |
| regXboi | mestery: really?!?!?! you'd stoop to that pun? | 21:21 |
| dougwig | wow, that was horrible, mestery | 21:21 |
| mestery | lol | 21:21 |
| mestery | I'm sorry | 21:21 |
| mestery | dougwig: Any update on said bug? | 21:22 |
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| dougwig | this change to neutron-server should fix the gate: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213750/ | 21:22 |
| dougwig | waiting for merge to get it into stable, though you can see the build test here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213751/ | 21:23 |
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| mestery | dougwig: markmcclain and I just sent 213751 iunto hte merge queue once it passes check | 21:23 |
| * armax gives dougwig a gold start | 21:23 | |
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| armax | *star | 21:23 |
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| dougwig | mestery: great, then we can move on to re-peeling that onion in on-crisis. | 21:24 |
| * regXboi wanted to see a gold start | 21:24 | |
| mestery | armax: thank goodness for the correctoin, I was wondering what a gold start was | 21:24 |
| dougwig | non-crisis, even. | 21:24 |
| mestery | dougwig: The entire OpenStack ecosystem owes you a debt of gratitude here (seriously) | 21:24 |
| mestery | thanks for being awesome | 21:24 |
| mestery | Shall we move along to the next bug in the list? | 21:24 |
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| armax | dougwig: I am greatly annoyed by the fact that you did not address my comment, but I am moving on | 21:24 |
| dougwig | armax: your comment was most excellent, too. | 21:25 |
| * mestery gives armax a stern look | 21:25 | |
| armax | dougwig: I know, right? | 21:25 |
| mestery | armax: Please, salv-orl_ is our pedantic reviwer, you cannot replace him | 21:25 |
| * armax feels useless now | 21:25 | |
| * Sukhdev makes observation that everybody is some really good cool-aid... | 21:26 | |
| regXboi | under the heading of crisis... can we get the dashboard patch merged? | 21:26 |
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| mestery | regXboi: Link? | 21:26 |
| * regXboi shuts up until open mike | 21:26 | |
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| mestery | regXboi: I'll +2 that thing so fast you won't know it didn't already have my +2 | 21:26 |
| regXboi | mestery: you already have +2'd it | 21:26 |
| regXboi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213141/ | 21:26 |
| anteaya | regXboi: he speaks truth | 21:27 |
| regXboi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213141/ initial dashboard patch | 21:27 |
| mestery | regXboi: armax dougwig carl_baldwin any other voters here? | 21:27 |
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| mestery | anteaya: lol | 21:27 |
| regXboi | mestery: nope ... lots of quiet | 21:27 |
| regXboi | I did have a pedantic review from salv-orl_ but that was PS 1 :) | 21:27 |
| armax | mestery: I don’t vote to projects that don’t start with n | 21:28 |
| armax | mestery: darn | 21:28 |
| armax | I shot myself in the foot | 21:28 |
| regXboi | anyway.... back to bugs ;) | 21:28 |
| salv-orl_ | regXboi: still you turned a blind eye to my comment about using hitcound | 21:28 |
| salv-orl_ | *hitcount | 21:28 |
| salv-orl_ | but that's ok | 21:28 |
| armax | I thought this was some fanky dashboard project | 21:28 |
| mestery | armax: busted! | 21:29 |
| regXboi | salv-orl_: No - I replied that somebody else was welcome to do that | 21:29 |
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| regXboi | salv-orl_: I wasn't going to at this point | 21:29 |
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| salv-orl_ | ah I see... regXboi is going to challenge me also as chief neutron procrastinator | 21:29 |
| mestery | armax: thanks for merging that one | 21:29 |
| mestery | Shall we trot along now? | 21:29 |
| dougwig | regXboi: one question, slipped into the wave of +2's. | 21:30 |
| armax | mestery: trot away | 21:30 |
| mestery | lol | 21:30 |
| mestery | dougwig: That's what followups are for | 21:30 |
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| regXboi | dougwig and haleyb: ack - I'll get them both on the followup | 21:30 |
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| mestery | haleyb: Nice comment, you're fighting with armax for pedantic commenter of the day ;) | 21:30 |
| armax | mestery: by the way important notice | 21:30 |
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| regXboi | dougwig: and no, it's not machine generated .... | 21:31 |
| mestery | armax: ??? | 21:31 |
| armax | mestery: change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199672/ is in the merge queue | 21:31 |
| dougwig | regXboi: then i fear for your soul. :) | 21:31 |
| haleyb | mestery: i can find a nit in a haystack | 21:31 |
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| armax | mestery: that will bring back pymysql and api_workers > 0 | 21:31 |
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| regXboi | dougwig: I'm not sure I have a soul - you haven't seen some of the evilness I cook up in code | 21:31 |
| armax | mestery: which ihrachyshka and sc68cal reverted because it caused havoc | 21:31 |
| mestery | armax: I'm unsure how to feel, but I trust in you | 21:31 |
| * mestery sings the Monkee's "I'm a Believer" | 21:31 | |
| armax | mestery: allegedly I have a fix | 21:31 |
| sc68cal | armax: we'll keep rechecking to verify | 21:32 |
| mestery | armax: I knew you did | 21:32 |
| * regXboi lurks until open mike :) | 21:32 | |
| armax | mestery: but the culprit is disable now, so we can only wait for other issues to crop up | 21:32 |
| ihrachyshka | armax, I hope you will be able to discuss the fwaas fix after the meeting | 21:32 |
| mestery | 28 minutes left and some serious things to discuss soon | 21:32 |
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| mestery | Shall we move past bugs and into a docs update from sc68cal? | 21:33 |
| regXboi | mestery: summon seriousness | 21:33 |
| russellb | nice work on sorting through the pymysql and api_workers stuff | 21:33 |
| russellb | really important stuff | 21:33 |
| mestery | russellb: ++ | 21:33 |
| armax | ihrachyshka: I need to dash to a meeting after this, but I am happy to take this offline | 21:33 |
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| ihrachyshka | armax, ack | 21:33 |
| armax | salv-orl_: shed away? | 21:34 |
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| mestery | yes | 21:34 |
| mestery | Lets move along | 21:34 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:34 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: I hear you're going to update this week? | 21:34 |
| mestery | Is it so? | 21:34 |
| sc68cal | Yes - I think Edgar is AFK | 21:34 |
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| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am discussed a concern that he has about the networking guide | 21:35 |
| armax | sc68cal: by the way, I got like 14 straight passes…but I am sure I’ll be proved wrong when it matters the most | 21:35 |
| sc68cal | armax: well even 14 out of 15 LGTM | 21:35 |
| sc68cal | anyway | 21:35 |
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| sc68cal | Sam-I-Am is concerned that (eventually) the networking guide is going to get stale, and he wants more buy-in from the neutron community to help maintain and expand | 21:36 |
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| sc68cal | we have a lot of holes in the first section of the networking guide where we introduce basic concepts | 21:36 |
| * anteaya hears the captain say we will be taking off soon | 21:36 | |
| * regXboi waves good bye to anteaya | 21:36 | |
| sc68cal | I think mestery has a request about doing a deployment scenario where we have a provider net *and* l3 networking via the l3 agent | 21:36 |
| anteaya | :) | 21:37 |
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| mestery | anteaya: Safe travels | 21:37 |
| anteaya | mestery: thanks | 21:37 |
| sc68cal | mestery: am I also correct that some of the neutron devref has overlap and content that could be moved to the networking guide? | 21:37 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Sounds good | 21:37 |
| mestery | sc68cal: You are correct, we need to sort that out | 21:37 |
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| sc68cal | I'm paraphrasing what Sam-I-Am said in an e-mail, so I could be wrong about some things, but I think we have a great piece of docs that has really turned around opinions about neutron | 21:38 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Indeed! | 21:38 |
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| russellb | is devref being in neutron making it easier to keep it up to date? | 21:38 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Thanks to efforts of all in the community, the tide is rising now | 21:39 |
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| russellb | and if so, and if neutron team needs to take more ownership of keeping it up to date, how crazy would it be to bring it into neutron? | 21:39 |
| armax | mestery: I don’t have my floaties on | 21:39 |
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| sc68cal | I think we are getting better at devref | 21:39 |
| mestery | armax: You need one of those floaty vests, not just the arm ones | 21:39 |
| sc68cal | but for a long time it was fairly neglected - I get to say this since I wrote a big part of it back in the day | 21:39 |
| russellb | in the latter comment, i meant bringing the networking guide into neutron | 21:40 |
| armax | I have a big belly, it won’t fit | 21:40 |
| sc68cal | I don't know if we are going to do better by moving it around | 21:40 |
| russellb | sc68cal: ok fair | 21:40 |
| russellb | could also try to develop some guidelines around what types of changes should also have networking guide updates | 21:40 |
| russellb | and try to make a point of raising a stink about it during code review | 21:40 |
| sc68cal | based on my experience, the docs people also need more technical eyes on things | 21:40 |
| mestery | armax: moar exercise | 21:40 |
| russellb | like, "we won't merge this until you have corresponding networking guide updates too" | 21:41 |
| salv-orl_ | russellb: even if I see your point I also think that "bringing it into neutron" implies, in some way, that devs will control it. | 21:41 |
| mestery | russellb: ++ | 21:41 |
| * regXboi wonders if part of the +2 "doing what needs to be done" should move to watch docs as well as the gate | 21:41 | |
| russellb | salv-orl_: yeah, that's a problem of moving it | 21:41 |
| mestery | If it's a gerrit permission thing, we can work around that | 21:41 |
| sc68cal | russellb: I have taken that tact on some patches I've seen | 21:41 |
| salv-orl_ | and honestly I think devs are not really the right guys to write something like the networking guide | 21:41 |
| russellb | sc68cal: nice | 21:41 |
| mestery | E.g. give docs devs +2 in Neutron with the trust they will only merge things there | 21:41 |
| mestery | Just a thought | 21:41 |
| * regXboi also realizes that's a big tar baby | 21:41 | |
| salv-orl_ | we need somebody who clearly communicates concepts, problems and solutions ;) | 21:41 |
| russellb | salv-orl_: what?! all devs aren't all excellent authors and communicators? :) | 21:41 |
| sc68cal | russellb: mostly just on devref side, but sambetts and john_davidge have done well on the IPv6 PD docs | 21:41 |
| mestery | salv-orl_: Unicorns! | 21:42 |
| sc68cal | they've been moving along with the actual functionality patches | 21:42 |
| salv-orl_ | russellb: if by communication you mean entropy and chaos, yes | 21:42 |
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| * mestery notes we have 3 more items on the agenda so in 2.5 minutes we need to keep the train moving along | 21:42 | |
| sc68cal | salv-orl_: well... I did do a talk at Vancouver about working with docs people and being an SME...... | 21:42 |
| regXboi | mestery: my wondering above ^^^^^ | 21:42 |
| russellb | mestery: sir yes sir, i shall sit back down! | 21:42 |
| salv-orl_ | sc68cal: but you're one of a kind ;) | 21:42 |
| mestery | lol | 21:42 |
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| sc68cal | salv-orl_: haha, that's very kind | 21:43 |
| sc68cal | anyawy, that's the big thing I wanted to get out there, and if anyone is interested please talk to Edgar, Sam-I-Am, or I | 21:43 |
| * sc68cal is ready to move on | 21:43 | |
| mestery | Thanks sc68cal | 21:43 |
| mestery | OK | 21:43 |
| mestery | Lets move long | 21:43 |
| mestery | #topic Neutron interactions with infra | 21:44 |
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| mestery | I put this on teh agenda at the request of dougwig | 21:44 |
| clarkb | anteaya had to shutdown the laptop but I am lurking | 21:44 |
| mestery | tl;dr: We need to cooridnate these interactions through dougwig armax and myself | 21:44 |
| mestery | clarkb: Thanks sir! | 21:44 |
| * regXboi tries to find a deeper hole to lurk in | 21:44 | |
| dougwig | beginnings of a writeup here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212622/ | 21:44 |
| mestery | Because at best we sometimes end confusing things and at worst we step on each other | 21:44 |
| russellb | almost sounds like a liaison | 21:44 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212622/ | 21:44 |
| sc68cal | russellb: ++ | 21:44 |
| xgerman | ++ | 21:44 |
| mestery | russellb: Lieutenants | 21:45 |
| mestery | :) | 21:45 |
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| dougwig | but yeah, the gist is that with our proliferation of repos, so is our load on infra, so we're trying to better utilize our own knowledge before using their time. | 21:45 |
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| armax | mestery I am still waiting for my pager | 21:45 |
| Sukhdev | will this model scale? | 21:45 |
| regXboi | so... dougwig, armax, mestery: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212058 and upcoming similar patch for DVR | 21:45 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: Yes | 21:45 |
| mestery | regXboi: Get that on armax and dougwig's radar for coordination | 21:45 |
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| mestery | I think we're still sorting out HOW this interaction will work | 21:45 |
| dougwig | Sukhdev: i would argue that what we're doing *right now* is not scaling, so i'd hope so. | 21:45 |
| mestery | But we're congizant we need it | 21:46 |
| russellb | mestery: so infra lieutenant == liaison to infra :) | 21:46 |
| regXboi | mestery: that's what ^^^^^^^ was about | 21:46 |
| dougwig | russellb: yes | 21:46 |
| mestery | russellb: Yuppers :) | 21:46 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: OK - lets give it a try and see how it works out - if none of you reply on IRC, then is it OK to go to inra channel? | 21:46 |
| russellb | ++ | 21:46 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: I gave dougwig a pager, let me get you his number :) | 21:46 |
| dougwig | Sukhdev: of course, excepting asking for heroic measures. | 21:46 |
| mestery | Right | 21:46 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: ha ha - perfect !!! | 21:46 |
| clarkb | should infra expect to not merge random changes related to infra without the liason ACKing them? | 21:46 |
| * regXboi is suspicious of round robin pager forwarding | 21:46 | |
| mestery | Lets be reasonable with the requests | 21:47 |
| mestery | Only I have dougwig and armax's bat numbers | 21:47 |
| mestery | clarkb: I think that makes a lot of sense, yes | 21:47 |
| mestery | clarkb: That's one way to coordinate it for sure | 21:47 |
| mestery | clarkb: Require a +1 from armax dougwig or me | 21:47 |
| clarkb | ok | 21:47 |
| clarkb | I will try to advertise that in infra land | 21:47 |
| regXboi | mestery: how about 2 +1s ? | 21:47 |
| mestery | dougwig armax: Sound reasonable? | 21:47 |
| russellb | presumably for the core neutron jobs / configs right? | 21:47 |
| armax | seems reasonable | 21:47 |
| mestery | russellb: Yes | 21:47 |
| * russellb nods | 21:47 | |
| clarkb | russellb: ya | 21:47 |
| Sukhdev | regXboi: please no | 21:48 |
| mestery | Awesome! | 21:48 |
| regXboi | Sukhdev: just asking | 21:48 |
| neiljerram_bb | Perhaps add sthg to http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html about altered process for Neutron stadium projects? | 21:48 |
| mestery | #action Infra to not merge neutron job / config changes without +1 votes from armax dougwig and / or mestery | 21:48 |
| Sukhdev | regXboi: those kind of questions are banned here :-):-) | 21:48 |
| salv-orl_ | regXboi: I will call mestery's law of transitional trust to assert that 2 +1s are not necessary | 21:48 |
| * regXboi is going to be *SO* banned then | 21:48 | |
| dougwig | mestery: let's make sure that makes it into the devref review. | 21:48 |
| Sukhdev | regXboi: you are not banned - those kinds of question are banned :-) | 21:49 |
| mestery | dougwig: ++ | 21:49 |
| mestery | neiljerram_bb: Good idea | 21:49 |
| russellb | thanks for taking on this responsibility guys :) | 21:49 |
| mestery | :) | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | mestery: shouldn't that be "#agreed" ? | 21:49 |
| mestery | #undo | 21:49 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0xa0c1150> | 21:49 |
| johnsom | dougwig We have an open add Octavia to projects list: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211319/1 | 21:49 |
| mestery | #agreed Infra to not merge neutron job / config changes without +1 votes from armax dougwig and / or mestery | 21:50 |
| mestery | thanks markmcclain :) | 21:50 |
| mestery | OK 10 minutes left | 21:50 |
| mestery | 2 agenda items and a possible ninja merge request coming up ... | 21:50 |
| mestery | Lets move along | 21:50 |
| clarkb | keep in mind we may merge things without the +1 in an emergency | 21:50 |
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| clarkb | but business as usual should be to incoporate the liason feedback | 21:50 |
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| mestery | clarkb: Yyp | 21:50 |
| mestery | *Yup | 21:50 |
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| dougwig | clarkb: of course. | 21:51 |
| mestery | #topic Vendor Decomposition | 21:51 |
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| mestery | armax HenryG: Is this your section? | 21:51 |
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| russellb | split out all the codes! | 21:51 |
| mestery | Or did you guys not add this to the agenda? | 21:51 |
| HenryG | Yes, I wanted to know if we need to keep the requirements.txt files around? | 21:51 |
| salv-orl_ | clarkb: if an emergency comes up during US zzzz times the infra folks down under can ping me | 21:51 |
| regXboi | dougwig: devref updated | 21:51 |
| Sukhdev | What is the answer to HenryG's question? | 21:52 |
| HenryG | There were some packaging concerns which I don't understand | 21:52 |
| mestery | HenryG: What is the question? | 21:52 |
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| salv-orl_ | HenryG: the requirements.txt in the plugins' path in openstack/neutron ? | 21:52 |
| Sukhdev | those requirement files were placed there to deal with the distro issues | 21:52 |
| Sukhdev | salv-orl_: yes | 21:53 |
| amotoki | requirements.txt in vendor dirs are used to declare which vender lib should be used. | 21:53 |
| russellb | move them to external repo, right? | 21:53 |
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| russellb | what's the issue? | 21:53 |
| salv-orl_ | I think they can go as they serve no purpose. Distro packagers can add more but I really feel there's no use for the, | 21:53 |
| mestery | Yes, I don't follow the issue either | 21:53 |
| salv-orl_ | and the external repos have their own requirements.txt | 21:53 |
| amotoki | these are for distributros and users. I think it can be covered by external repos or docs. | 21:53 |
| HenryG | russellb: moving them makes them self-referential | 21:53 |
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| russellb | oh, then they don't sound useful | 21:54 |
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| ihrachyshka | yeah, RDO does not rely on those at all. and it's assumed that it's fine to take a vendor release of corresponding branch | 21:54 |
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| HenryG | Great, let's nuke 'em | 21:54 |
| salv-orl_ | they were established to pin specific versions of the plugin library | 21:54 |
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| salv-orl_ | but there is no way to enforce them without triggering a circular reference | 21:54 |
| mestery | HenryG: ++ | 21:54 |
| Sukhdev | ihrachyshka: earlier, it was understood that RDO looks at these requirement files and pulls the appropriate code from the respective repos | 21:54 |
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| russellb | salv-orl_: plugins need to make sane releases that line up to neutron releases in some way that makes sense, i'd say :) | 21:55 |
| armax | those files were purely informational | 21:55 |
| Sukhdev | ihrachyshka: so, we are saying that understanding is inaccurate? | 21:55 |
| russellb | requirements files are just docs as far as distros are concerned | 21:55 |
| ihrachyshka | salv-orl_, yeap. and pinning is usually effectively based on which branch you release from. | 21:55 |
| russellb | not directly consumed | 21:55 |
| armax | if no-one is consuming them, then they might as well go | 21:55 |
| ihrachyshka | Sukhdev, I don't believe there is any automation around it. | 21:55 |
| salv-orl_ | ok so nobody disagrees with removing the | 21:55 |
| salv-orl_ | them | 21:55 |
| regXboi | mestery: open mike? | 21:55 |
| amotoki | +1 for removing | 21:55 |
| mestery | regXboi: Almost | 21:55 |
| * salv-orl_ thinks there 1 more item | 21:55 | |
| russellb | violent agreement to remove :) | 21:55 |
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| mestery | #agreed Nuke vendor requirements.txt files | 21:56 |
| salv-orl_ | russellb: but we can still bikeshed on how to remove them | 21:56 |
| mestery | OK, lets move along | 21:56 |
| russellb | ha | 21:56 |
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| armax | mestery: please tag me along the the review when that happens | 21:56 |
| ihrachyshka | I suggest to ask other packagers though | 21:56 |
| mestery | armax: Absolutely my lord | 21:56 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: ML post? | 21:57 |
| russellb | might be worth talking about some release coordination around all the separate plugin repos | 21:57 |
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| ihrachyshka | mestery, yes, with [packaging] | 21:57 |
| russellb | but that can be a topic for later ... | 21:57 |
| mestery | russellb: Taht's the next tiem on the agenda | 21:57 |
| emagana | I just was able to get online! My apologies folks! | 21:57 |
| russellb | mestery: ha! | 21:57 |
| mestery | Though 3 mintues left | 21:57 |
| russellb | amazing. | 21:57 |
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| mestery | Not enough time I think | 21:57 |
| mestery | russellb: It's like I planted that one with you! ;) | 21:57 |
| mestery | OK | 21:57 |
| mestery | We will ahve to discuss release coordination of networking projects next week | 21:57 |
| salv-orl_ | mestery: we can agree that we should coordinate. And next week we can decide how | 21:57 |
| mestery | As we have 2 minutes left | 21:57 |
| mestery | salv-orl_: ++ | 21:57 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:57 |
| russellb | tag/release all with neutron? (that want to opt in to that) ? | 21:57 |
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| mestery | 2 minutes left ... | 21:58 |
| dougwig | how many of you will be at ops meetup? | 21:58 |
| russellb | at linuxcon instead | 21:58 |
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| mestery | +1 to Linuxcon | 21:58 |
| dougwig | enjoy your container-mania. | 21:58 |
| emagana | I will be hosting a neutron feedback session | 21:58 |
| russellb | linuxkvmxenmesosopencloudstackcontainerconforumsummit | 21:58 |
| armax | emagana: that’s on wednesday right? | 21:58 |
| regXboi | all... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213474/ - the first instrumentation WiP is out there | 21:59 |
| emagana | armax: Yes, it is. | 21:59 |
| mestery | russellb: you forgot mesos I think | 21:59 |
| dougwig | emagana: i'll be in the room, somewhere. | 21:59 |
| russellb | mestery: it's in there! | 21:59 |
| yushiro | mestery: I'd like to tell you some information fo my patch. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509/ | 21:59 |
| russellb | i'd love to see notes from ops feedback | 21:59 |
| mestery | armax: You're representing for us too? | 21:59 |
| emagana | armax: Actually is more about the networking model used by operators | 21:59 |
| mestery | 30 seconds folks | 21:59 |
| armax | I am popping by if something else doesn’t come up | 21:59 |
| emagana | dougwig: Nice! | 21:59 |
| mestery | yushiro: Lets do it on the review or #openstack-neutron | 21:59 |
| armax | dougwig: make sure to say hello | 21:59 |
| mestery | Out of time | 21:59 |
| mestery | Thanks for attending everyoen! | 21:59 |
| dougwig | armax, emagana: definitely | 21:59 |
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| armax | bye | 21:59 |
| mestery | armax emagana: Knock them dead at the Ops Meetup this week :) | 21:59 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 21:59 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:59 |
| Swami | bye | 22:00 |
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| mestery | MOAR NEUTRON! | 22:00 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 17 22:00:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-08-17-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-08-17-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| emagana | Ciao!! | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-08-17-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
| yushiro | by | 22:00 |
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