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boris-42#startmeeting Rally14:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 17 14:02:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
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boris-42ping kun_huang: rvasilets oanufriev redixin ikhudoshyn14:03
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boris-42yingjun: hi14:04
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boris-42#topic Todays Meeting Agenda14:04
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boris-42Okay seems like today we don't have too much to discuss14:04
* boris-42 #link
boris-42If you would like to add something new you are welcome14:05
boris-42Okay let's move to first topic14:05
boris-42#topic [kun_huang] [short news] chinese openstack hackathon14:05
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kun_huangIt's a short news14:05
kun_huangThere is a meetup in this week, openstack hackathon (china)14:05
kun_huangwe're going to fix some bugs14:05
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kun_huangthere are nova/neutron guys14:06
kun_huangand I'm fixing rally bugs14:06
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boris-42kun_huang: great thanks14:06
kun_huangso, next week, there will be a report for it, which contain rally fixed bugs14:06
kun_huanghope all guys know this14:07
kun_huangand if you would like to assign easy bugs to me, it's welcome14:07
kun_huangthat's all :)14:07
boris-42kun_huang: ok =)14:08
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boris-42kun_huang: moving to next topic?14:08
kun_huangno problem14:08
boris-42#topic [rvasilets] 'rally task abort' now is green! Welcome to review.14:08
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ikhudoshynhm looks like topic is selfcontaining)14:11
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: ya seems like so14:11
boris-42rvasilets: do you have anything to add it?14:11
ikhudoshynok we'll review. move on?14:11
boris-42ikhudoshyn: waiting for rvasilets answer...14:12
boris-42okay seems like rvasilets is not online..14:13
boris-42#topic [boris-42] Switching Scenario to plugin base14:13
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boris-42Okay guys I would like just to explain better what and why we are doing14:13
boris-42recently we get merged first patch14:13
rvasiletsI have returned14:14
boris-42rvasilets: to late my dear friend=)14:14
boris-42rvasilets: it's another topic14:14
rvasiletssorry, continue)14:15
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boris-42Inside this patch we changed scenario scenario() decorator to  configure() to unify with other types of plugins14:15
boris-42+ moved module with base plugin14:16
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boris-42in next patch I am finishing this work14:16
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boris-42and unifying Scenario with other plugin bases (making it subclass of Plugin)14:17
kun_huanganother big patch14:17
boris-42kun_huang: yep because we have to change all scenario plugins14:17
boris-42kun_huang: now we have to specify explicit name of scenario14:17
boris-42so after this patch we will be able to do few next things14:18
boris-421)  common deprecation mechanism for all types of plugisn14:19
boris-422) common (scenario like) validation mechanism for all types of plugins14:19
boris-423) common info mechanism14:19
boris-42common types mechanism14:19
boris-42and replace a bunch of bad code from rally engine/framework14:20
boris-42that's all any questions?14:20
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boris-42kun_huang: rvasilets ikhudoshyn amaretskiy redixin ^14:21
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ikhudoshynnot from my side14:22
amaretskiyno questions14:22
rvasiletsAbout rally task abort review. There is only one place that need to have attention Function in 142 line could be wrote in several ways. I choose this one. If you have great ideas please comment. eom14:22
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boris-42rvasilets: thanks anything about current topic?14:23
boris-42okay moving to next topic14:23
boris-42#topic [boris-42] Where is 0.1.0 release?14:23
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boris-42We need to switch to plugin base scenarios and implement task aborts14:24
boris-42I believe these are 2 most important topics14:24
boris-42One more important is to switch to new reports14:24
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boris-42somebody has some other ideas?14:24
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amaretskiynew reports sounds good, I'm currently working fixing issues reported in comments
amaretskiyI believe there will be new patch set soon14:26
boris-42amaretskiy: ok great14:26
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boris-42okay seems like we discussed everything14:27
boris-42see you next week14:27
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ikhudoshynwait pls14:28
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: ok14:28
rvasiletsI have no questions14:28
ikhudoshyn nothing to discuss really. Just wanted to address A.Kurilin question. This patch is needed by ongoing work..14:28
ikhudoshynto use newer task format.14:29
boris-42ikhudoshyn: so you can describe that inside commit message14:29
ikhudoshynThe patch is separated to reduce pain of reviewing/merging/rebasing etc14:29
boris-42ikhudoshyn: it will be useful for other reviewers as well14:30
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ikhudoshynmake sense14:30
boris-42ikhudoshyn: okay14:30
boris-42#topic open discussion14:31
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boris-42does somebody have something to disucss?14:31
boris-42okay let's finish meeting14:31
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anteayaI'm stting in an airport lounge and I don't know if I have 2 minutes or 30 before boarding starts15:02
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anteayaso I will start the third-party meeting15:02
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anteaya#startmeeting third-party15:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 17 15:02:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at
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anteayaso hello15:03
anteayaand I hope everyone is well today15:03
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anteayaas I said I am about to board a plane15:03
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anteayaso if anyone has anything to share do speak up15:04
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wznoinskhi anteaya, nothing hear, only tunning in15:05
wznoinskhere* even15:05
anteayawznoinsk: hi15:05
anteayathanks for tuning in15:05
anteayaI have no announcements15:05
tim_osame here, just tuning in15:05
anteayawznoinsk: willing to allow me to make you chair in case I lose service?15:06
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wznoinskyes, no probs15:06
wznoinskor asselin better15:06
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anteaya#chair wznoinsk asselin15:06
openstackCurrent chairs: anteaya asselin wznoinsk15:06
anteayayou both are15:06
anteayathank you15:06
anteayaI lost service when I tried to make you chair?15:07
anteayahi tim_o thanks for tuning in15:07
anteayaasselin: welcome back15:07
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asselingood morning15:07
anteayaasselin: anything you want to share today?15:07
anteayait is a good morning :)15:08
wznoinska long shot but did anyone hear of/used himself,herself/saw someone using containers for a CI? asking because we did it and somehow works ok for use, I was wondering if there are others interested15:08
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anteayawznoinsk: nice15:08
anteayawznoinsk: I think others would be15:08
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anteayawznoinsk: would you like to share some of the information about your setup?15:08
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anteayawhat would be the best? a mailing list post to -infra? an etherpad and a link to a mailing list post?15:09
anteayawznoinsk: what might make sense to you?15:09
wznoinskit's a simple one because we don't use any provisioning tool (like nodepool for VMs), we spawn containers on the jenkins slaves themselves15:09
anteayaperhaps a post to the infra mailing list sharing the setup15:10
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anteayaand then if more info is required folks reading the mailing list post can share their thoughts about that15:10
wznoinskyes, it sounds like a good idea, I can send something to ML and see the response15:11
anteayais there a time stamp that is useful for that log?15:11
anteayawznoinsk: I support that direction15:11
anteayathat would be great, thank you15:11
asselinwznoinsk, I remember this presentation15:11
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anteayaasselin: what do you think, would others be interested?15:12
wznoinskasselin: good to hear ;-)15:12
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rhe00I would be interested15:13
asselinanteaya, yes I believe so15:13
anteayarhe00: thank you15:13
anteayaasselin: awesome15:13
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anteayaI look forward to your post wznoinsk15:13
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anteayaanything more on this topic?15:14
anteayalet's move on15:14
anteayadoes anyone have anything else they would like to discuss today?15:14
wznoinskone case CI may be facing is access to the physical hardware on the host to test specific functionality, would you guys know is it pci passthrough used or rather baremetal stacking?15:14
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wznoinskrhe00: check the above log and and shout if questions15:15
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asselinwznoinsk, not sure I understand your question, but we use pci passthrough for cinder fibre channel driver tests15:15
anteayasorry I should link that url15:15
wznoinskok, is it anyhow problematic/needs workaround or not?15:15
wznoinsk<- asselin15:16
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asselinwznoinsk, it's been working fine for us and patrickeast. not sure who else.15:17
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wznoinskasselin: it sounds easy then, we on the other hand, can't use VMs as they have only one numa node and we run test using at least two15:18
anteayatime for me to board15:18
anteayathank you15:18
anteayaplease continue15:18
anteayaI will read the log15:18
wznoinskanteaya: have a good flight15:18
anteayasee you next week15:18
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anteayathank you15:18
asselinanteaya, bon voyage15:18
wznoinskI'm then wondering what other cases can be 'not possible' with VMs that could potentially be workable when using containers for the builds15:19
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wznoinskhi lennyb15:20
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asselinwznoinsk, I see containers as a way to possible improve ci performance15:20
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wznoinskasselin: that's for sure, you have to be carefull with some 'shared' resources when you use containers tho, kernel/modules, hugepages etc.15:21
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wznoinskall depends whether you run some exotic tests obviously, but that's probably not your case15:21
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wznoinskif anyone has any questions about ci in containers (docker) I'm happy to sort you out or die trying15:23
asselinit would be nice if nodepool could also provision containers15:23
wznoinskasselin: do you know whether there's any movement for it there?15:24
asselinwznoinsk, I don't think there is.15:24
asselinI'm not sure upstream can use containers with their public clouds15:24
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mmedvedeIn theory, if openstack supports docker containers, we should be able to reuse nodepool for third-party maintained cloud?15:26
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wznoinskmmedvede: you mean provision vms in 3rd party cloud using nodepool and openstack to start containers inside?15:28
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mmedvedewznoinsk: yes. In theory, it should look the same to nodepool, so no reason it should not be possible15:29
mmedvedeI did not try docker OpenStack hypervisor. There might be quirks15:29
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wznoinskI think the ideal solution is if nodepool would support containers itself, then less failure points and overhead15:30
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asselinwznoinsk, I believe the nodepool design can support containers. It already supports vms & baremetal provisioning.15:32
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mmedvedeasselin: was not aware of baremetal provisioning - so it does not use OpenStack for that?15:33
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wznoinskit looks like it could be a quick win here15:34
asselinmmedvede, it should use ironic15:34
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mmedvedeafaik, nodpool only can do what OpenStack can15:35
wznoinskwould you know how much/less difficult it would be to have openstack provisioning + cloudinit script instead of nodepool?15:35
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asselinwznoinsk, I think they're the same15:36
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wznoinskI realized it just now, thanks15:37
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asselinnodepool tries to keep a supply of nodes available. It uses openstack apis to manage node lifecycle15:38
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asselinany other topic?15:42
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asselinwznoinsk, just saw this15:46
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wznoinsklooks interesting15:47
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wznoinskbtw. is nodepool in (or planned) in downstream ci?15:47
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asselinnodepool is planned to downstream-puppet15:48
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wznoinskit looks like I have enough to read about now, that's all from me for this meeting15:49
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asselinanyone else have topics/questions to bring up?15:50
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akuznetsova#startmeeting Mistral16:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 17 16:02:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is akuznetsova. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'mistral'16:02
akuznetsovahi there16:02
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akuznetsovaRenat said, that he would be a little bit late16:02
akuznetsovaso, let's wait a little bit)16:03
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akuznetsovahow are you, guys?)16:03
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m4dcoderdoing good.  how about yourself?16:04
^Gal^all's good, except the weather :D16:04
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gpazBetter than that and I ll get crazy ;)16:05
akuznetsovam4dcoder, I am fine and ready for work)16:05
akuznetsova^Gal^, what's the problem with the weather? rainy?16:05
akuznetsovagpaz, ))16:06
^Gal^akuznetsova: I wish!16:06
^Gal^akuznetsova: too hot, way too hot!16:06
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akuznetsova^Gal^, oh, last summer days)16:06
rakhmerovhi everyone16:06
rakhmerovsorry for being late16:06
akuznetsovarakhmerov, hi16:07
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m4dcoderrakhmerov, hi! it's been awhile.16:07
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rakhmerovok, have you already discussed anything?16:07
rakhmerovm4dcoder: yeah, how are you? :)16:07
akuznetsovarakhmerov, the weather)16:07
m4dcoderrakhmerov: doing good16:08
rakhmerovooh, weather is always a good topic :)16:08
rakhmerovok, let's start then?16:08
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rakhmerovthe agenda is at
rakhmerov#topic Review action items16:09
rakhmerovlet me see what items we have (I missed the previous meeting)16:09
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rakhmerov1. akuznetsova create meeting for l-3 roadmap discussion16:10
rakhmerovakuznetsova start a discussion in the ml about new community meeting time16:10
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akuznetsovaI redirected it to you)16:10
rakhmerovwe will discuss it today a little later16:10
rakhmerov3. m4dcoder take a look at problem with postgresql unit tests running16:10
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rakhmerovm4dcoder: did you have a chance to look at it?16:11
m4dcoderrakhmerov: sorry, i didn't get to it last week16:12
rakhmerovwe can discuss it later too16:12
m4dcoderit's still on my list of things to do.16:12
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rakhmerovAnastasia just sent an email today about it16:12
rakhmerovok, np16:12
m4dcoderok. i'll take a look.16:12
rakhmerov#topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans)16:13
rakhmerovmy status: finally released l-2 last week, with 2 weeks delay. Sorry for that16:13
rakhmerovwas involved in internal company activities so was not able to do a lot on Mistral16:13
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rakhmerovalso drove a meeting about l-3 planning16:14
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^Gal^Current status: working on execution screen: 1. execution update modal 2. main execution screen - shortage of i/o columns when there's a lot of code16:14
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akuznetsovamy status: sent a mail about problems with unit tests + real db, created corresponding bugs, plans: reanimate ./ script16:14
rakhmerovplanning to take a couple of engine bugs and fix them16:14
rakhmerovakuznetsova: good, please do16:14
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gpazCurrently Limor and I working on inner Alcatel tasks (I m doing some Murano) . We have bugs that we will start to work I think after l-316:15
rakhmerovI'd like to be able to use it when needed16:15
rakhmerov^Gal^: how is it going with executions screen? do you see any roadblocks? need any help?16:15
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akuznetsovarakhmerov, ok, will try to fix it as soon as possible16:15
rakhmerovgpaz: ok16:15
gpazSome bugs = mistral bugs that assign on us16:15
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^Gal^rakhmerov: it is going good, don't see any roadblocks atm - will update if something comes up16:16
m4dcoderplanning to revisit the postgresql unit test16:16
rakhmerovgpaz: the only thing I'd really like to ask you is finish
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rakhmerovplease try to allocate some time to finish it16:16
nikolaymMy status: worked on with-items concurrency and with-items retry policy16:16
rakhmerov^Gal^: good, thanks16:16
gpazrakhmerov, I pushed a fix but I need to think how to test it...16:17
rakhmerovm4dcoder: I'd recommend to run Mistral engine tests and observe what's going on with a number of DB connections using some DB UI16:17
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rakhmerovI guess something devours DB connections, but I have no idea what exactly16:17
rakhmerovtheoretically there shouldn't be serious growth during tests' execution16:18
rakhmerovgpaz: we'll take a look at your patch and provide some recommendation about testing, sounds ok?16:18
m4dcoderrakhmerov: i'm not sure i have a lot of bandwidth this week to go deep on the problem. i was planning just running the unit tests and see if there're any obvious items i can fix.16:18
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rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, nikolaym: provide recommendations on how to test
^Gal^btw, think we had a previous action item that we haven't talked about recently which is the documentation16:19
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rakhmerovm4dcoder: no problem, I'm not pushing at all16:19
gpazrakhmerov, yes, sounds good. but didnt we say that bugs could handled after L-3 ? since currently I need to finish something in other project before code freez (Murano)16:19
rakhmerovup to you16:19
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rakhmerovgpaz: no, I didn't mean that we need to stop fixing bugs :) I was just saying we're much more flexible on bugs16:20
rakhmerovbecause we have to finish all new functionality and serious changes in L-316:20
gpazrakhmerov, ok. np...16:21
rakhmerovbut we should keep fixing bugs anyway16:21
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rakhmerovgpaz: anyway, I'm not pushing (sorry if it felt like), we'll provide our recommendations and you'll choose the right time to get to working on it yourself16:21
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gpazrakhmerov, np, I want to fix that ASAP too. thanks16:22
rakhmerovok, let's move on16:22
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rakhmerov#topic Liberty-3 progress16:22
rakhmerovrelease page:
rakhmerovso overall feeling is that it looks good16:23
rakhmerovone BP needs review, 4 has marked as "good progress" and two have been started16:24
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rakhmerovI talked to Nikolay that has to be broken down into more concrete BPs16:24
rakhmerov#action nikolaym break down into smaller BPs16:24
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^Gal^about the documentation - sounds good16:25
rakhmerovand one more thing that I'm not sure about is
rakhmerov^Gal^: yes :) Mistral's docs are really bad now, I recognize that16:25
m4dcoderrakhmerov: what are you unsure of?16:26
rakhmerovso as for this BP, I think it's really important and I would love to have it done this cycle but I would think more about what exactly we want to achieve16:26
m4dcodersame with YAQL docs.  we can't use Mistral w/o YAQL.16:26
rakhmerovI'm not sure about what we should do, what would be the best approach16:27
rakhmerovm4dcoder: yep16:27
rakhmerovso on I suggest we brainstorm how to do it16:27
rakhmerovnot here probably, we can take it to ML16:27
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rakhmerov#action rakhmerov start ML discussion about the best approach for
rakhmerovso any ideas are very welcome16:28
rakhmerovespecially from those who is using Mistral all the time16:28
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rakhmerov(Winson and Alcatel) ;)16:28
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rakhmerovother than that I don't have much on L-3 topic16:29
rakhmerovso let's move on16:29
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rakhmerovany questions on this part?16:29
rakhmerovbefore we jump to the next one?16:29
m4dcoderrakhmerov: since i registered that bp, i can start the ML thread with some initial thoughts.16:30
rakhmerovm4dcoder: ok, please do16:30
rakhmerovappreciate that16:30
rakhmerov#topic New meeting time16:30
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rakhmerovso Alcatel folks asked to consider a different weekly meeting time16:31
rakhmerovis that right?16:31
gpazits 7pm for us ... and we thought to check if we can do that earlier16:31
rakhmerovif yes could you please share your concers about the current time?16:31
gpazDepend off course with all others16:32
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rakhmerovso you have to have long hours, I see16:32
rakhmerovso the challenge is that looks like we can't really satisfy all the members16:32
rakhmerovbecause we all are from completely different time zone16:33
rakhmerovfor example, for me it's now 22.33 :)16:33
rakhmerovfor Winson it's 9.33 am16:33
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gpazoh ok16:33
rakhmerovin Israel it's 7.33 pm16:33
gpazI didnt know that someone in the morning16:33
rakhmerovif we want to have it, for example, one hour earlier the only option for me is Tue16:34
^Gal^think we should have some sort of days of the week and times table16:34
^Gal^and everyone would check their best blocks16:34
gpazSo I guess this time is good for everyone (the current time)16:34
rakhmerovbut I checked all the timeslots and there are no available ones, unfortunately16:34
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gpazFrom where is Wilson ? :)16:34
rakhmerovand for US folks it will be too early16:34
rakhmerovSF Bay area16:35
m4dcoderi can do an 8 am, just don't do it on Mon. :D16:35
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rakhmerovm4dcoder: I see16:35
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rakhmerovso another option is to have it on mornings for me and folks in Israel16:35
m4dcoderhow about US PM time?  10 PM PST?16:35
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rakhmerovthen for Winson it will be late evening16:36
m4dcoderprobably prefer that then early AM.  lol16:36
rakhmerovm4dcoder: you're sure it would be ok for you?16:36
rakhmerovooh, I see16:36
rakhmerovgpaz: how about that? what do you think?16:36
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m4dcoderwe can try that for a release cycle.16:36
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rakhmerovfor example, if it was at 8 or 9 am your time?16:37
m4dcodermaybe start with M cycle and we can revisit the meeting time for N.16:37
gpazSo after all that I think the current time is ok “Lesser of Two Evils” :)16:37
m4dcoderso i'm ok with 8 AM (no Mondays) or 10 PM PST.16:37
rakhmerovm4dcoder: ooh, we have about 3 months in L cycle, it's a little bit too much :)16:38
rakhmerovok, so16:38
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^Gal^there must be an online gmt tool to get everyone to vote on their time slots16:39
rakhmerovhow about that? I'll suggest 3-4 timeslots and we'll vote in ML16:39
LimorStotlandok i think it's a bit complicated just lets leave it  as it is16:39
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gpazI do not think that choosing according to the majority is correct. Everyone should be comfortable and current time seems right to me.16:40
rakhmerovm4dcoder: is the current time ok for you?16:40
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m4dcoderi'm ok as is. but can change if convenient for others.16:41
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rakhmerovok, then let's leave it as it is for now unless someone has strong objections16:41
rakhmerovis everyone ok with that?16:42
rakhmerov#topic Open Discussion16:42
gpazI do. we can discussed that in Tokyo ;)16:42
rakhmerovyeah :)16:43
rakhmerovgpaz: will you be there?16:43
rakhmerovdo you drink beer? :)16:44
rakhmerovI wonder what kind of beer Japanese have )16:44
gpazNot too much ...16:44
gpazthey have : Asahi16:44
gpazvery good16:44
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rakhmerovalright, I'll buy you beer :)16:45
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rakhmerovto all of the members who comes :)16:45
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rakhmerovok :)16:46
gpazI hear they make great jellyfish and octopuses ;)16:46
rakhmerovyeah, I bet :)16:46
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rakhmerovso, do you guys have anything else to discuss?16:47
rakhmerovsake! :)))16:47
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rakhmerovor I can buy you all sake :)16:47
rakhmerovat your choice16:47
rakhmerovok, let's finish the meeting16:48
rakhmerovthanks for coming16:48
gpazthanks.. bye bye16:48
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rakhmerovakuznetsova: can you please end the meeting?16:48
rakhmerov(you started it)16:48
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matjazpwho else?17:01
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rluethihey, matjazp! sorry I couldn't be here last week.17:01
matjazpnp, it was just me and vigneshvar, so we just postponed it17:02
matjazpshould we start?17:02
rluethiI read the log17:02
rluethisure. do you want to chair?17:02
matjazpsean is not here17:02
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matjazproll call17:02
matjazpanyone else?17:03
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rluethieveryone's on vacation maybe?17:03
rluethino idea.17:04
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matjazpI would really like do discuss a status of the project17:04
rluethilet's do that, then.17:04
rluethi#topic status of project17:04
matjazp#topic status of the project17:04
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matjazproger, you know more than me about this?17:05
matjazpI am a bit in the dark about it17:06
rluethiI doubt it. I heard that something was going on while you were on vacation, but I'm not sure what the plan is, either.17:06
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rluethiWhat I do know is that the labs scripts are getting a repo of their own.17:06
matjazpyes, we talked about it17:07
rluethiAs you know, the scripts is the part I have been really involved with.17:07
rluethiAnd we were fortunate to have a small but fairly dedicated team working on the scripts.17:07
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matjazpbut from what I understand, this is not a second repo under Training guides, but it is separate project, or Specailty team at Docs17:07
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rluethiAnd then we even got newcomers like vigneshvar to help us out.17:08
rluethisomething like that, I think. I am not sure myself. I have to admit I didn't pay too much attention.17:08
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matjazpyou don't know the details of it?17:09
rluethiI believe the idea is to have the labs scripts be more visible and used by other projects outside training-guides, e.g. install-guides.17:09
matjazpso what is the status of the rest of the project?17:10
rluethithere's been a blueprint that just got accepted, I'm sure you saw that.17:10
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rluethiI am wondering about that, too. sarob seems to be AWOL, reed has sort of moved on, so it seems to be just you know who works on training content.17:11
rluethiThat is my impression, anyway.17:11
rluethiSo I guess I should ask _you_ what the plans are for the rest of the project.17:12
matjazpwell I still want to work on it17:12
rluethiI think the content was moving in the right direction, but too slowly. No surprise there, lacking manpower.17:13
rluethiYou can't do it all alone.17:13
matjazpyes, that's true.17:14
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rluethiI suspect I may be out of the loop, but my guess is that you should talk to Lana and present your vision for the project.17:14
matjazpthat's why I wanted to talk about all this with the rest of the team17:14
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rluethiBecause you look like the likely lead for the training-guides project.17:15
matjazpI am surprised about the lack of transparency, though17:15
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annegentlematjazp: I don't think the point has been to hide anything, it's just hard to communicate17:16
annegentletime zones, channels, lack of responses from Sean17:16
annegentleit's all difficult to coordinate17:16
rluethiIt is my understanding that there were some efforts behind the scenes to resolve everything, and when that didn't work, decision making kept going on outside of public channels for some time.17:16
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matjazpsure, but sean is not the only team member17:16
annegentlerluethi: I don't think behind the scenes is a good description17:17
rluethiA bit unfortunate. I think the labs team was better informed because we keep in touch anyway.17:17
annegentlematjazp: absolutely17:17
annegentlematjazp: the email from Aug 5th is the summary17:18
annegentlematjazp: can you write back on that thread with your concerns?17:18
rluethiannegentle: sorry, I just meant that there private discussions. I also prefer private discussions when I want to gather input and find a solution to a problem.17:18
annegentlematjazp: and any solutions you have/ideas to offer17:18
matjazpannegentle: 1. to establish who still wants to work on the guides17:19
annegentlerluethi: Please, private discussions are not the OpenStack way. Please refrain from characterizing them that way. People needed to vent, and we always have outlets for that. However we also bring issues into the open. Once people get a chance to talk through them.17:19
matjazp2. reignite the effort17:19
annegentlematjazp: great, please write back on the ml thread. The topic is Labs/Training Guides17:20
annegentlematjazp: I think 1. is definitely attainable. However if the answer does not give enough ignition then 2 cannot happen, and we'll need to work through that.17:20
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annegentlematjazp: you'll also need to consider that labs are going to be separate from guides17:21
annegentlematjazp: so take that into account when characterizing effort and recruiting :)17:21
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rluethiannegentle: I think we have a misunderstanding here. If I have a problem, I try to resolve it quietly with those involved and don't make a public example of them. I appreciate it if others do the same. I don't like if actual decisions are take in secret and then presented as fact to the public.17:21
annegentlerluethi: does that separation help clarify?17:21
matjazpannegentle: yes, I intend to. But first I wanted to talk with others about that. You know, to count the ppl who wants to be involved17:22
annegentlerluethi: yeah I think we're in agreement I just reacted to the wording -- it's a balancing act17:22
annegentlematjazp: sure17:22
annegentlematjazp: sounds good then17:22
annegentlematjazp: you know what to communicate, rluethi: you also know what to communicate17:22
rluethiannegentle: do I?17:23
annegentleif you think docs specialty teams is the way to go, then yes.17:23
matjazpannegentle: I didn't really care that much about the "official" status of the project17:23
annegentlerluethi: how you arrived at that conclusion is not relevant to the way forward17:24
rluethiI just want the labs scripts to work and be useful to as many people as possible.17:24
annegentlematjazp: ah, that's good input. Because anything published on is considered "official" and has been problematic when maintenance stalls.17:24
annegentlerluethi: yep17:24
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annegentledo you see why we're trying to find a way forward?17:24
matjazpannegentle: sure, as do I17:25
matjazpI do think it is unfortunate that we didn't talk about all this on these meetings17:25
annegentlematjazp: so a team forming will need to work within OpenStack frameworks, ya know?17:25
annegentlematjazp: me too, but IRC is tough (I probably sound interruptive, for example)17:25
annegentlematjazp: and timezones, oh the timezones17:25
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matjazpannegentle: ok. so to sum it up17:27
matjazp1. Labs are now outside the training guides17:28
matjazp2. Training guides needs to refocus17:28
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matjazp3. We use Docs ML to talk about the future of it17:29
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annegentleto me there are still outstanding items to discuss/communicate: Training guides from Icehouse are no longer published.17:30
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annegentleThere are some slide decks that we need to find out what to do with, are they being maintained, by whom.17:30
matjazpannegentle: yes, the scope of the project needs to be rewritten17:30
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annegentleand, user group training seems to be the focus of the project? That's still a bit unclear17:30
annegentlematjazp: can you bring this to the ml?17:30
annegentleI mean, do you have enough info to kick off the discussion?17:31
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matjazpannegentle: sure, I guess I do.17:31
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annegentleand, do you understand the discussion points? I mean, I'm happy to help facilitate but both Lana and I are not the point person for training.17:32
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annegentleheh that was weird sentence construction there :)17:32
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annegentletrying to say, we want to resolve it, but need someone else to be the starting point/contact point17:33
annegentleand I think you can do that matjazp17:33
annegentlefrees up rluethi and co to concentrate on labs17:33
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matjazpwell I'm still willing to work on it, thats for sure17:34
annegentlematjazp: excellent, let's see what comes of the discussion17:34
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matjazpok, lets try to continue that discussion and see where it takes us17:36
annegentleOkay sounds good. Do you want an action for the notes?17:36
annegentlemeeting note17:36
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annegentlecan't type!17:36
annegentleI'll do some info summaries17:37
matjazp#action matjazp starts a discussion about the training guides on the ML17:37
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annegentle#info Training labs becoming specialty team within docs17:37
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annegentle#info Training guides are no longer published from icehouse branch; need a plan for training guides team, contributors, maintenance17:38
annegentle#action matjazp to send query to openstack-docs mailing list asking about training-guides plans17:38
annegentleheh my action is slow17:39
matjazpnp, thnx for infos17:39
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matjazpI guess thats it? anyone else?17:40
rluethiI have some labs infos.17:41
matjazprluethi: shoot17:41
rluethinew topic? :-)17:41
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matjazp#topic labs17:41
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rluethiI did a forward port of my KVM patch.17:41
rluethiIt doesn't do everything (e.g. no snapshots), but it builds a basedisk and a cluster.17:42
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rluethiand to switch the scripts from VirtualBox to KVM, only one variable has to be set.17:42
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rluethiI did this mostly because some prefer testing with KVM _and_ the CI infrastructure doesn't do VirtualBox.17:42
rluethiso we should be able to have CI in the forseeable future.17:43
matjazprluethi: and vbox cant do nested virtaulization :)17:43
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rluethiit can, just veeeery slowly :-).17:43
matjazprluethi: its now usabe for anything besides pinging in cirros ;)17:44
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rluethimatjazp: pinging in cirros happens to be precisely what I need.17:44
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rluethiso yeah, that was it. big announcement :-).17:45
matjazprluethi: yes, but the scenarios have to support more: eg. we tried to run windows on this, but gave up after 40 min bootup time17:45
rluethidon't do that, then.17:45
rluethion the labs cluster, or on virtualbox in general?17:46
matjazprluethi: I don't (anymore :)17:46
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matjazplabs cluster17:46
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rluethiwell, then the KVM patch should help.17:47
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rluethiproblem with KVM is that it seems to be configured differently on every distro.17:47
rluethivirtualbox, if it's installed, always works the same.17:47
matjazpyes, it enables a HW supported nested virtualization, so it is much quicker17:47
rluethiexcept on opensuse tumbleweed where I ran into weird problems.17:48
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rluethithe training-guides repo is frozen, but I'll send you a patch if you are interested.17:48
rluethi(frozen wrt to the labs scripts)17:49
matjazpsure, always interested to try that17:49
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rluethiokay, give me some days to cut a patch without all the debug junk.17:50
rluethifeel free to ping me should I forget.17:50
matjazprluethi: sure, thnx17:50
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rluethiso, are we done for today?17:51
matjazplooks like it17:51
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sarob#startmeeting akanda18:00
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sarobroll call18:01
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sarob#topic outstanding actions18:03
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sarobget versioning sane across stable branches (#148187718:03
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1481877 in akanda "stable/juno branches are versioned incorrectly" [Undecided,New]18:04
saroblooks like this is mine18:04
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sarobi will do a bit of research and update the bug18:05
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saroblooks like that was the only outstanding action from last week18:06
sarobmoving on18:06
sarob#topic critical bugs18:06
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1470673 in akanda "pbr version numbering doesn't match semantic versioning" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Sean Roberts (sarob)18:06
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sarobthis is related to the other bug18:06
sarobi will update this one based on the meeting notes from previous18:07
sarobthats it for critical bugs18:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1481463 in akanda "cant delete akanda ports" [High,In progress]18:08
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adam_gaddressed by
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sarobsure lets talk about that one18:09
markmcclainit's all old dead code that we left around because we thought we might make it an active feature18:10
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markmcclainwe're better off just removing it18:10
sarobill review to push through18:10
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sarob#topic progress on bp18:13
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sarobdavidlenwell: you around?18:13
sarobupdate on
davidlenwellmarkmcclain and I are going to work today to break down the remaining work into smaller pieces18:14
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sarobthe results partly going into the spec?18:16
davidlenwella patch for generic drivers support is in flight.. but there are some unanswered questions that we will work through today.18:16
davidlenwellsarob: yes.. I'll update the "work items" in the spec to match what we break down today.18:16
sarobdavidlenwell: right on18:16
davidlenwellso that spec is still not ready to merge .. don't merge it please18:16
sarobdavidlenwell: hands off here18:17
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sarobyou and markmcclain make some good progress18:17
sarobdavidlenwell: ;)18:18
sarobadam_g: update on
adam_g is the main patch for that, ready to review18:19
adam_give been piling on some improvement / fixes on top of that18:19
adam_gprobably some more this week18:19
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sarobadam_g: sounds good18:19
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markmcclainin that series it would help if some others reviewed:
sarobmarkmcclain: update on
markmcclainno progress due to some other stuff18:20
sarobmarkmcclain: should we plan on pushing this to the next release?18:21
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markmcclainpossibly.. the driver work will impact this as well18:21
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sarobokay, i will go ahead and do that for now18:22
sarobadam_g: update on
adam_gspec is still up awaiting review18:23
markmcclainadam_g: sorry that one slipped through.. I'll go back and read it18:23
sarobcan i friend get an review on
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sarobi believe and are blocked18:25
sarobmarkmcclain: and davidlenwell breaking up the driver bp should help unblock18:26
markmcclainthey are18:26
sarobpuranamr: update on
sarobpuranamr: you are still planning on adding performance details to this?18:27
puranamrsarob: planning to break the content into two parts18:28
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sarobpuranamr: two different bp or sections in the bp18:28
puranamrone which captures the possible identified performance bottle necks and later supported with actual results18:28
puranamrmay be two bp would make sense18:28
markmcclainI think this should be delayed18:28
sarobmarkmcclain: which what?18:29
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markmcclainthe reduce vm footprint18:29
puranamrmarkmcclain: we thought of using this bp to add the performance activity too18:29
sarobmarkmcclain: or you favor creating a separate bp?18:30
puranamrthe reduce vm footprint would be of lower prio though at this point18:30
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markmcclainthe size of the vm image and tweaking the running configuration are independent of each other18:30
markmcclainso should be distinct blueprints18:30
sarobsounds good to me18:31
sarobpuranamr: you good with that?18:31
markmcclainor realistically if the perf improvements are likely more bug sized18:31
markmcclainvs having a super heavy weight write up18:31
sarobmarkmcclain: we should start with a plan18:31
puranamrsarob: ok with splitting18:31
puranamrmarkmcclain: it is not heavy writeup, but spelling out identified areas for further focus18:32
sarobmarkmcclain: it doesnt need to be a huge deal, just a plan that others will know where puranamr is going18:32
sarobpuranamr: what you said18:32
markmcclainright.. realistically those are bugs with tags18:32
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markmcclaintag = vm-performance-improvement18:33
markmcclainor something like that18:33
puranamrsarob: markmcclain: sounds ok to me18:33
sarobpuranamr: if you can identify a group of performance improvements as bugs, it works for me18:34
puranamrsarob: ok to call them out in the bp and then split as bugs?18:34
sarobi think markmcclain was suggesting bugs instead of bp18:35
sarobbp is generally for new features18:35
puranamrsarob: ok18:35
sarobbugs to fix whats broke18:36
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sarobwas that what you were saying markmcclain?18:36
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markmcclainyeah.. and we can tag the bugs18:37
markmcclainso that we can follow the series of performance improvements18:38
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sarobmoving on18:39
sarob#topic any other business18:39
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adam_gsarob, whats the plan for getting the liberty-2 milestone tagged?18:40
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sarobadam_g: im going to do bit of doubling the state of the repos18:41
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sarobadam_g: as we discussed if the repo hasnt got a patch since 2015.2.0b1, i will18:42
sarobadam_g: push a dummy patch to move the head18:42
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sarobakanda-horizon is one for sure18:42
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adam_gsarob, im more curious about what schedule we're following. we set the release of liberty milestone-2 as 07-30 but we're still tracking in progress blueprints as if that date is still a month way18:43
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adam_gis it safe to say we're following our own schedule this cycle?18:43
sarobadam_g: ah,18:43
sarobadam_g: we hadnt formally discussed,18:43
markmcclainyeah.. and we're only 2 weeks from the traditional milestone-318:44
sarobadam_g: i am leaning towards cutting 2015.2.0b2 this week18:44
adam_gshould we stop and set some dates for our remaining milestones  and RCs?18:44
sarobadam_g: lets18:45
adam_gi fear we'll still be spinning on the same blueprints when the rest of openstack is cutting their RCs18:45
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adam_gsarob, there are no complete liberty-2 blueprints18:46
sarobadam_g: that is correct18:46
adam_g... so if you're cutting liberty-2 this week,  those should be retargetting to liberty-3, making liberty-2 mostly bug fixes only18:47
sarobadam_g: that sounds right to me18:47
adam_gif thast the plan, lets set a date for L3 and stick to it18:47
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sarobadam_g: id like that18:47
adam_gRCs start sept 2118:48
markmcclainI was thinking that week or 28th18:48
adam_ggeneral openstack liberty-3 is sep 1-3 according to
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sarobthe dates for
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sarobare the official ones18:49
adam_gsarob, those need to change, then18:50
markmcclainare we really going to have an FF period? if not I think we can collapse l3 on rc1 and release it 9/2118:50
adam_gmarkmcclain, release == rc1?18:51
sarobmarkmcclain: that sounds about right to me18:51
sarobeveryone else following this?18:52
adam_gif sarob tags the late liberty-2 this week and we cut RC1 on 09/21.. where do we put liberty-3? do we realistically expect everyting currently in to be done for l3?18:53
sarobone month for each of the bp18:54
adam_gits currently targeted for 09/0318:54
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markmcclainI was thinking we could just skip liberty-318:54
adam_gim not opposed to that18:54
sarobmarkmcclain: hmm, simplier18:54
adam_gthe milestones didnt really do much for us18:54
adam_g(so far)18:55
sarobfew bugs would be moved to longer l218:55
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sarobno real impact other than that18:55
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sarobsounds like we are in agreement18:56
markmcclainI'm advocating we just cut liberty-2 now-ish and then our next tag will be RC18:56
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adam_gmarkmcclain, +118:57
sarobmarkmcclain: +118:57
sarobany one else?18:57
puranamrmarkmcclain: +118:57
adam_gthats roughly 5 weeks, ya?18:57
adam_geveryhone get to work :)18:57
sarobadam_g: yup, and yup18:57
adam_galmost at time18:58
sarobill call it there18:58
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sarob#action l3 will be eliminated18:58
sarob#action sarob check up on his critical versioning bugs18:59
sarobthats all folks18:59
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armaxmestery is going to be a bit late21:00
armaxI’ll kick off the meeting and he’ll join us shortly21:00
regXboilinuxcon strikes again!21:00
armax#startmeeting networking21:00
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anteaya<-- sitting in a plane, waiting to take off21:01
armax#link Agenda21:01
Sukhdevanteaya: have a safe flight21:01
anteayaSukhdev: thanks21:01
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armax#topic Announcements21:02
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armaxLiberty-3 is 2 weeks away21:02
HenryGDoes that count for stadium repos too?21:03
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armaxHenryG: I wouldn’t think so21:03
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armaxHenryG: each repo has its own release schedule21:04
armaxHenryG: so it depends21:04
dougwigHenryG: you can look at the repo tags in the governance file to see which is which w.r.t. release21:04
Sukhdevarmax: I thought they will tag the repos along with the main release, no?21:04
salv-orl_Sukhdev: where they are?21:05
salv-orl_sorry I mean what do you meant by "they"21:05
Sukhdevsalv-orl_: the infra folks - I thought they will be tagging the releases21:05
armaxHenryG, Sukhdev look for the release tag21:05
anteayathe release team taeks care of what they are responsible fore21:05
anteayainfra tags zero releases21:05
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anteayawell except for infra tools21:06
salv-orl_I think openstack-infra has already thousands of duties. They surely don't want to fiddle with release tags too21:06
armaxthe Neutron stable team might, but I understand that the process is still happening21:06
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armaxwhen mestery is around he’ll be able to provide more input21:06
armax#action mestery to clarify release process for neutron stadium repos21:07
armaxhe’ll probably need to file a patch to
armaxlooks interesting21:08
armaxanyhoo moving on?21:08
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armaxmoving on...21:09
armax#topic Bugs21:09
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salv-orl_yes moooooooving on21:09
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salv-orl_baaaaaaags ;)21:09
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armaxwe got a number of baaaaags to look at21:10
armaxbug 140474321:10
openstackbug 1404743 in neutron "sporadic test failures due to VMs not getting a DHCP lease" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ryan Moats (rmoats)21:10
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regXboiI'm preparing to call this closable21:10
regXboiI've not seen spurious SSH timeouts since 8/11 - it looks like infra's fix of the nodepool bug got this one as well21:11
armaxregXboi: no longer lurking around?21:11
regXboiregXboi: I'm always lurking :)21:11
regXboiarmax: I'm still seeing the timeouts - but in general, that's because the code is messed up, not the infra21:11
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armaxregXboi: there was a fix from kevinbenton21:12
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regXboiarmax: I don't think that's necessary at this time21:12
armaxthat was supposed to synchronize l2 and dhcp, perhaps it’s worh a look in this context?21:12
armaxregXboi: not exactly the same failure mode21:13
regXboiarmax: no, not exactly the same failure mode, but I'm not seeing it either21:13
armaxsorry I mean root cause, but same failure mode?21:13
regXboiso, bottom line is that I have to update the bug (assuming the 7d kibana clears)21:13
regXboiand declare it closable for now21:14
regXboiand if it comes back, we hunt it some more21:14
armaxultimately all issues lead to lack of connectivity21:14
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armaxbug 147719221:14
openstackbug 1477192 in neutron "neutron test_multi_prefix_slaac failing in the gate with ping failures starting around 7/22" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Henry Gessau (gessau)21:14
armaxHenryG: you’re up21:14
HenryGThe logstash query was wrong21:15
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HenryGAFAICT the bug is no longer happening21:15
HenryGBut I don't know when it stopped or what fixed it21:15
armaxHenryG: don’t you love when bugs just go away on their own?21:15
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HenryGthey are the best and the worst21:16
armaxmlavalle: same faith to bug 1461172?21:16
openstackbug 1461172 in neutron "neutron.tests.functional.agent.test_l3_agent.MetadataL3AgentTestCase.test_access_to_metadata_proxy times out intermittently" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)21:16
anteayawhen the pop up again21:16
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salv-orl_armax: I think we're old enough to know that it's not true21:16
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armaxsalv-orl_: I was making a joke ;)21:16
mlavallearmax: I just started looking at this bug this morning21:16
salv-orl_bugs tend to hide very well to stab you in the back when you less expect it21:16
mlavallearmax: I haven't been able to reproduce in my local system.... I've been running it all day long21:17
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mlavalleso it is going to take some "sleuthing"21:17
armax#chair mestery21:17
openstackCurrent chairs: armax mestery21:17
mesteryarmax: Thanks ... I think o_O21:17
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armaxmestery: I bow and get myself at ease21:17
mesteryarmax: Where are we in the agenda now?21:18
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regXboifolks ... remember that infra had a bug in nodepool where multiple nodes would get the same IP address21:18
mesteryApologies for being late, had a late lunch at Linuxcon today ;)21:18
armaxmestery: bugs21:18
salv-orl_mestery: roaches21:18
regXboiALL of these sound like they could have been caused by this21:18
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armaxmestery: we at at number 4 of the lot21:18
mesteryarmax: OK, shall we move on to #5 now?21:18
ihrachyshkaregXboi, was nodepool fixed? because afaik I see it failing again on that test (the .gitreview patch)21:19
regXboiihrachyshka: my understanding was the particular problem related to IP addresses was fixed21:19
armaxwell bug 1439696 (#4) wasn’t discussed yet21:19
openstackbug 1439696 in neutron "Referencing a lb-healthmonitor ID for the first time from Heat would fail" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Doug Wiegley (dougwig)21:19
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armaxdougwig will probably tell us that the bug no longer shows up?21:20
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salv-orl_armax: probably dougwig itself no longer show sup ;)21:20
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mesteryWell, with regards to
openstackLaunchpad bug 1439696 in neutron "Referencing a lb-healthmonitor ID for the first time from Heat would fail" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Doug Wiegley (dougwig)21:21
armaxpoor dougwig21:21
mesteryI know dougwig has been busy saving our stable *aaS lately ;)21:21
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dougwigi haven't looked at anything but the gate bombs since last week.21:21
regXboimestery: really?!?!?! you'd stoop to that pun?21:21
dougwigwow, that was horrible, mestery21:21
mesteryI'm sorry21:21
mesterydougwig: Any update on said bug?21:22
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dougwigthis change to neutron-server should fix the gate:
dougwigwaiting for merge to get it into stable, though you can see the build test here
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mesterydougwig: markmcclain and I just sent 213751 iunto hte merge queue once it passes check21:23
* armax gives dougwig a gold start21:23
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dougwigmestery: great, then we can move on to re-peeling that onion in on-crisis.21:24
* regXboi wanted to see a gold start21:24
mesteryarmax: thank goodness for the correctoin, I was wondering what a gold start was21:24
dougwignon-crisis, even.21:24
mesterydougwig: The entire OpenStack ecosystem owes you a debt of gratitude here (seriously)21:24
mesterythanks for being awesome21:24
mesteryShall we move along to the next bug in the list?21:24
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armaxdougwig: I am greatly annoyed by the fact that you did not address my comment, but I am moving on21:24
dougwigarmax: your comment was most excellent, too.21:25
* mestery gives armax a stern look21:25
armaxdougwig: I know, right?21:25
mesteryarmax: Please, salv-orl_ is our pedantic reviwer, you cannot replace him21:25
* armax feels useless now21:25
* Sukhdev makes observation that everybody is some really good cool-aid...21:26
regXboiunder the heading of crisis... can we get the dashboard patch merged?21:26
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mesteryregXboi: Link?21:26
* regXboi shuts up until open mike21:26
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mesteryregXboi: I'll +2 that thing so fast you won't know it didn't already have my +221:26
regXboimestery: you already have +2'd it21:26
anteayaregXboi: he speaks truth21:27
regXboi#link initial dashboard patch21:27
mesteryregXboi: armax dougwig carl_baldwin any other voters here?21:27
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mesteryanteaya: lol21:27
regXboimestery: nope ... lots of quiet21:27
regXboiI did have a pedantic review from salv-orl_ but that was PS 1 :)21:27
armaxmestery: I don’t vote to projects that don’t start with n21:28
armaxmestery: darn21:28
armaxI shot myself in the foot21:28
regXboianyway.... back to bugs ;)21:28
salv-orl_regXboi: still you turned a blind eye to my comment about using hitcound21:28
salv-orl_but that's ok21:28
armaxI thought this was some fanky dashboard project21:28
mesteryarmax: busted!21:29
regXboisalv-orl_: No - I replied that somebody else was welcome to do that21:29
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regXboisalv-orl_: I wasn't going to at this point21:29
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salv-orl_ah I see... regXboi is going to challenge me also as chief neutron procrastinator21:29
mesteryarmax: thanks for merging that one21:29
mesteryShall we trot along now?21:29
dougwigregXboi: one question, slipped into the wave of +2's.21:30
armaxmestery: trot away21:30
mesterydougwig: That's what followups are for21:30
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regXboidougwig and haleyb: ack - I'll get them both on the followup21:30
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mesteryhaleyb: Nice comment, you're fighting with armax for pedantic commenter of the day ;)21:30
armaxmestery: by the way important notice21:30
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regXboidougwig: and no, it's not machine generated ....21:31
mesteryarmax: ???21:31
armaxmestery: change is in the merge queue21:31
dougwigregXboi: then i fear for your soul. :)21:31
haleybmestery: i can find a nit in a haystack21:31
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armaxmestery: that will bring back pymysql and api_workers > 021:31
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regXboidougwig: I'm not sure I have a soul - you haven't seen some of the evilness I cook up in code21:31
armaxmestery: which ihrachyshka and sc68cal reverted because it caused havoc21:31
mesteryarmax: I'm unsure how to feel, but I trust in you21:31
* mestery sings the Monkee's "I'm a Believer"21:31
armaxmestery: allegedly I have a fix21:31
sc68calarmax: we'll keep rechecking to verify21:32
mesteryarmax: I knew you did21:32
* regXboi lurks until open mike :)21:32
armaxmestery: but the culprit is disable now, so we can only wait for other issues to crop up21:32
ihrachyshkaarmax, I hope you will be able to discuss the fwaas fix after the meeting21:32
mestery28 minutes left and some serious things to discuss soon21:32
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mesteryShall we move past bugs and into a docs update from sc68cal?21:33
regXboimestery: summon seriousness21:33
russellbnice work on sorting through the pymysql and api_workers stuff21:33
russellbreally important stuff21:33
mesteryrussellb: ++21:33
armaxihrachyshka: I need to dash to a meeting after this, but I am happy to take this offline21:33
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ihrachyshkaarmax, ack21:33
armaxsalv-orl_: shed away?21:34
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mesteryLets move along21:34
mestery#topic Docs21:34
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mesterysc68cal: I hear you're going to update this week?21:34
mesteryIs it so?21:34
sc68calYes - I think Edgar is AFK21:34
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sc68calSam-I-Am discussed a concern that he has about the networking guide21:35
armaxsc68cal: by the way, I got like 14 straight passes…but I am sure I’ll be proved wrong when it matters the most21:35
sc68calarmax: well even 14 out of 15 LGTM21:35
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sc68calSam-I-Am is concerned that (eventually) the networking guide is going to get stale, and he wants more buy-in from the neutron community to help maintain and expand21:36
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sc68calwe have a lot of holes in the first section of the networking guide where we introduce basic concepts21:36
* anteaya hears the captain say we will be taking off soon21:36
* regXboi waves good bye to anteaya21:36
sc68calI think mestery has a request about doing a deployment scenario where we have a provider net *and* l3 networking via the l3 agent21:36
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mesteryanteaya: Safe travels21:37
anteayamestery: thanks21:37
sc68calmestery: am I also correct that some of the neutron devref has overlap and content that could be moved to the networking guide?21:37
mesterysc68cal: Sounds good21:37
mesterysc68cal: You are correct, we need to sort that out21:37
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sc68calI'm paraphrasing what Sam-I-Am said in an e-mail, so I could be wrong about some things, but I think we have a great piece of docs that has really turned around opinions about neutron21:38
mesterysc68cal: Indeed!21:38
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russellbis devref being in neutron making it easier to keep it up to date?21:38
mesterysc68cal: Thanks to efforts of all in the community, the tide is rising now21:39
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russellband if so, and if neutron team needs to take more ownership of keeping it up to date, how crazy would it be to bring it into neutron?21:39
armaxmestery: I don’t have my floaties on21:39
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sc68calI think we are getting better at devref21:39
mesteryarmax: You need one of those floaty vests, not just the arm ones21:39
sc68calbut for a long time it was fairly neglected - I get to say this since I wrote a big part of it back in the day21:39
russellbin the latter comment, i meant bringing the networking guide into neutron21:40
armaxI have a big belly, it won’t fit21:40
sc68calI don't know if we are going to do better by moving it around21:40
russellbsc68cal: ok fair21:40
russellbcould also try to develop some guidelines around what types of changes should also have networking guide updates21:40
russellband try to make a point of raising a stink about it during code review21:40
sc68calbased on my experience, the docs people also need more technical eyes on things21:40
mesteryarmax: moar exercise21:40
russellblike, "we won't merge this until you have corresponding networking guide updates too"21:41
salv-orl_russellb: even if I see your point I also think that "bringing it into neutron" implies, in some way, that devs will control it.21:41
mesteryrussellb: ++21:41
* regXboi wonders if part of the +2 "doing what needs to be done" should move to watch docs as well as the gate21:41
russellbsalv-orl_: yeah, that's a problem of moving it21:41
mesteryIf it's a gerrit permission thing, we can work around that21:41
sc68calrussellb: I have taken that tact on some patches I've seen21:41
salv-orl_and honestly I think devs are not really the right guys to write something like the networking guide21:41
russellbsc68cal: nice21:41
mesteryE.g. give docs devs +2 in Neutron with the trust they will only merge things there21:41
mesteryJust a thought21:41
* regXboi also realizes that's a big tar baby21:41
salv-orl_we need somebody who clearly communicates concepts, problems and solutions ;)21:41
russellbsalv-orl_: what?! all devs aren't all excellent authors and communicators?  :)21:41
sc68calrussellb: mostly just on devref side, but sambetts and john_davidge have done well on the IPv6 PD docs21:41
mesterysalv-orl_: Unicorns!21:42
sc68calthey've been moving along with the actual functionality patches21:42
salv-orl_russellb: if by communication you mean entropy and chaos, yes21:42
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* mestery notes we have 3 more items on the agenda so in 2.5 minutes we need to keep the train moving along21:42
sc68calsalv-orl_: well... I did do a talk at Vancouver about working with docs people and being an SME......21:42
regXboimestery: my wondering above ^^^^^21:42
russellbmestery: sir yes sir, i shall sit back down!21:42
salv-orl_sc68cal: but you're one of a kind ;)21:42
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sc68calsalv-orl_: haha, that's very kind21:43
sc68calanyawy, that's the big thing I wanted to get out there, and if anyone is interested please talk to Edgar, Sam-I-Am, or I21:43
* sc68cal is ready to move on21:43
mesteryThanks sc68cal21:43
mesteryLets move long21:43
mestery#topic Neutron interactions with infra21:44
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mesteryI put this on teh agenda at the request of dougwig21:44
clarkbanteaya had to shutdown the laptop but I am lurking21:44
mesterytl;dr: We need to cooridnate these interactions through dougwig armax and myself21:44
mesteryclarkb: Thanks sir!21:44
* regXboi tries to find a deeper hole to lurk in21:44
dougwigbeginnings of a writeup here:
mesteryBecause at best we sometimes end confusing things and at worst we step on each other21:44
russellbalmost sounds like a liaison21:44
sc68calrussellb: ++21:44
mesteryrussellb: Lieutenants21:45
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dougwigbut yeah, the gist is that with our proliferation of repos, so is our load on infra, so we're trying to better utilize our own knowledge before using their time.21:45
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armaxmestery I am still waiting for my pager21:45
Sukhdevwill this model scale?21:45
regXboiso... dougwig, armax, mestery: and upcoming similar patch for DVR21:45
mesterySukhdev: Yes21:45
mesteryregXboi: Get that on armax and dougwig's radar for coordination21:45
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mesteryI think we're still sorting out HOW this interaction will work21:45
dougwigSukhdev: i would argue that what we're doing *right now* is not scaling, so i'd hope so.21:45
mesteryBut we're congizant we need it21:46
russellbmestery: so infra lieutenant == liaison to infra :)21:46
regXboimestery: that's what ^^^^^^^ was about21:46
dougwigrussellb: yes21:46
mesteryrussellb: Yuppers :)21:46
Sukhdevmestery: OK - lets give it a try and see how it works out - if none of you reply on IRC, then is it OK to go to inra channel?21:46
mesterySukhdev: I gave dougwig a pager, let me get you his number :)21:46
dougwigSukhdev: of course, excepting asking for heroic measures.21:46
Sukhdevmestery:  ha ha - perfect !!!21:46
clarkbshould infra expect to not merge random changes related to infra without the liason ACKing them?21:46
* regXboi is suspicious of round robin pager forwarding21:46
mesteryLets be reasonable with the requests21:47
mesteryOnly I have dougwig and armax's bat numbers21:47
mesteryclarkb: I think that makes a lot of sense, yes21:47
mesteryclarkb: That's one way to coordinate it for sure21:47
mesteryclarkb: Require a +1 from armax dougwig or me21:47
clarkbI will try to advertise that in infra land21:47
regXboimestery: how about 2 +1s ?21:47
mesterydougwig armax: Sound reasonable?21:47
russellbpresumably for the core neutron jobs / configs right?21:47
armaxseems reasonable21:47
mesteryrussellb: Yes21:47
* russellb nods21:47
clarkbrussellb: ya21:47
SukhdevregXboi: please no21:48
regXboiSukhdev: just asking21:48
neiljerram_bbPerhaps add sthg to about altered process for Neutron stadium projects?21:48
mestery#action Infra to not merge neutron job / config changes without +1 votes from armax dougwig and / or mestery21:48
SukhdevregXboi: those kind of questions are banned here :-):-)21:48
salv-orl_regXboi: I will call mestery's law of transitional trust to assert that 2 +1s are not necessary21:48
* regXboi is going to be *SO* banned then21:48
dougwigmestery: let's make sure that makes it into the devref review.21:48
SukhdevregXboi: you are not banned - those kinds of question are banned :-)21:49
mesterydougwig: ++21:49
mesteryneiljerram_bb: Good idea21:49
russellbthanks for taking on this responsibility guys :)21:49
markmcclainmestery: shouldn't that be "#agreed" ?21:49
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johnsomdougwig We have an open add Octavia to projects list:
mestery#agreed Infra to not merge neutron job / config changes without +1 votes from armax dougwig and / or mestery21:50
mesterythanks markmcclain :)21:50
mesteryOK 10 minutes left21:50
mestery2 agenda items and a possible ninja merge request coming up ...21:50
mesteryLets move along21:50
clarkbkeep in mind we may merge things without the +1 in an emergency21:50
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clarkbbut business as usual should be to incoporate the liason feedback21:50
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mesteryclarkb: Yyp21:50
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dougwigclarkb: of course.21:51
mestery#topic Vendor Decomposition21:51
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mesteryarmax HenryG: Is this your section?21:51
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russellbsplit out all the codes!21:51
mesteryOr did you guys not add this to the agenda?21:51
HenryGYes, I wanted to know if we need to keep the requirements.txt files around?21:51
salv-orl_clarkb: if an emergency comes up during US zzzz times the infra folks down under can ping me21:51
regXboidougwig: devref updated21:51
SukhdevWhat is the answer to HenryG's question?21:52
HenryGThere were some packaging concerns which I don't understand21:52
mesteryHenryG: What is the question?21:52
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salv-orl_HenryG: the requirements.txt in the plugins' path in openstack/neutron ?21:52
Sukhdevthose requirement files were placed there to deal with the distro issues21:52
Sukhdevsalv-orl_: yes21:53
amotokirequirements.txt in vendor dirs are used to declare which vender lib should be used.21:53
russellbmove them to external repo, right?21:53
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russellbwhat's the issue?21:53
salv-orl_I think they can go as they serve no purpose. Distro packagers can add more but I really feel there's no use for the,21:53
mesteryYes, I don't follow the issue either21:53
salv-orl_and the external repos have their own requirements.txt21:53
amotokithese are for distributros and users. I think it can be covered by external repos or docs.21:53
HenryGrussellb: moving them makes them self-referential21:53
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russellboh, then they don't sound useful21:54
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ihrachyshkayeah, RDO does not rely on those at all. and it's assumed that it's fine to take a vendor release of corresponding branch21:54
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HenryGGreat, let's nuke 'em21:54
salv-orl_they were established to pin specific versions of the plugin library21:54
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salv-orl_but there is no way to enforce them without triggering a circular reference21:54
mesteryHenryG: ++21:54
Sukhdevihrachyshka: earlier, it was understood that RDO looks at these requirement files and pulls the appropriate code from the respective repos21:54
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russellbsalv-orl_: plugins need to make sane releases that line up to neutron releases in some way that makes sense, i'd say :)21:55
armaxthose files were purely informational21:55
Sukhdevihrachyshka: so, we are saying that understanding is inaccurate?21:55
russellbrequirements files are just docs as far as distros are concerned21:55
ihrachyshkasalv-orl_, yeap. and pinning is usually effectively based on which branch you release from.21:55
russellbnot directly consumed21:55
armaxif no-one is consuming them, then they might as well go21:55
ihrachyshkaSukhdev, I don't believe there is any automation around it.21:55
salv-orl_ok so nobody disagrees with removing the21:55
regXboimestery: open mike?21:55
amotoki+1 for removing21:55
mesteryregXboi: Almost21:55
* salv-orl_ thinks there 1 more item21:55
russellbviolent agreement to remove :)21:55
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mestery#agreed Nuke vendor requirements.txt files21:56
salv-orl_russellb: but we can still bikeshed on how to remove them21:56
mesteryOK, lets move along21:56
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armaxmestery: please tag me along the the review when that happens21:56
ihrachyshkaI suggest to ask other packagers though21:56
mesteryarmax: Absolutely my lord21:56
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mesteryihrachyshka: ML post?21:57
russellbmight be worth talking about some release coordination around all the separate plugin repos21:57
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ihrachyshkamestery, yes, with [packaging]21:57
russellbbut that can be a topic for later ...21:57
mesteryrussellb: Taht's the next tiem on the agenda21:57
emaganaI just was able to get online!  My apologies folks!21:57
russellbmestery: ha!21:57
mesteryThough 3 mintues left21:57
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mesteryNot enough time I think21:57
mesteryrussellb: It's like I planted that one with you! ;)21:57
mesteryWe will ahve to discuss release coordination of networking projects next week21:57
salv-orl_mestery: we can agree that we should coordinate. And next week we can decide how21:57
mesteryAs we have 2 minutes left21:57
mesterysalv-orl_: ++21:57
mestery#topic Open Discussion21:57
russellbtag/release all with neutron?  (that want to opt  in to that) ?21:57
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mestery2 minutes left ...21:58
dougwighow many of you will be at ops meetup?21:58
russellbat linuxcon instead21:58
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mestery+1 to Linuxcon21:58
dougwigenjoy your container-mania.21:58
emaganaI will be hosting a neutron feedback session21:58
armaxemagana: that’s on wednesday right?21:58
regXboiall... - the first instrumentation WiP is out there21:59
emaganaarmax: Yes, it is.21:59
mesteryrussellb: you forgot mesos I think21:59
dougwigemagana: i'll be in the room, somewhere.21:59
russellbmestery: it's in there!21:59
yushiromestery: I'd like to tell you some information fo my patch.
russellbi'd love to see notes from ops feedback21:59
mesteryarmax: You're representing for us too?21:59
emaganaarmax: Actually is more about the networking model used by operators21:59
mestery30 seconds folks21:59
armaxI am popping by if something else doesn’t come up21:59
emaganadougwig: Nice!21:59
mesteryyushiro: Lets do it on the review or #openstack-neutron21:59
armaxdougwig: make sure to say hello21:59
mesteryOut of time21:59
mesteryThanks for attending everyoen!21:59
dougwigarmax, emagana: definitely21:59
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mesteryarmax emagana: Knock them dead at the Ops Meetup this week :)21:59
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mesteryMOAR NEUTRON!22:00
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