Thursday, 2015-08-27

thinrichsHi all00:00
thinrichsTime for the Congress meeting.00:00
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thinrichspballand, masahito: hi00:01
thinrichsMain agenda items from me:00:01
thinrichs1. Summit details00:01
thinrichs2. Tempest tests in gate00:02
thinrichs3. Status reports00:02
thinrichsAnything else?00:02
thinrichsRuiChen, Yingxin1: hi00:02
thinrichsOk; let us know if something else should go on the agenda.00:03
thinrichs#topic summit00:03
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thinrichsThe schedule for the Tokyo summit is out.00:03
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thinrichs#link •
thinrichsWe had 1 talk accepted (that I know of): the Hands On Lab00:04
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masahitosounds good!00:05
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thinrichsIf you search for congress on the schedule, you can see a new policy platform called Sentinel.00:06
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thinrichsI *just* saw this and don't know anything about it.00:06
thinrichsveena: hi.  We're going over details about the upcoming summit.00:08
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thinrichsSentinel looks to be a Congress-like thing that eBay built.00:08
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veenathinrichs: okay00:08
thinrichsReminder to book your hotel rooms.00:08
pballandhmm, they seem to be at the same time too :(00:08
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thinrichspballand: :( What are the chances?00:09
thinrichsWe should reach out to those folks and talk before the summit, I'd think.00:10
pballandthinrichs: seems we may want to talk to the organizer about that… those interested in policy are going to have trouble00:10
thinrichspballand: good thought.  I'll look into it.00:10
pballandI expect there still should be time to fix the schedule00:10
thinrichs#action thinrichs will ask summit organizers about moving Sentinel and Congress to different time slots00:10
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thinrichsI'll also reach out to the Sentinel team to see if I can get some info before the summit.00:12
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thinrichs#action thinrichs will reach out to Sentinel team00:12
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thinrichsHas anyone received emails about being Active contributors because of your work in Congress00:13
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veenathinrichs: yes, I recieved and got the free entry pass for summit00:14
pballandI got an ATC badge, which I assume is related to Congress00:14
masahitoI've received.00:14
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thinrichsI got a free pass for being on the HOL talk, but no ATC email.00:15
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thinrichsIf anyone that's pushed code to Congress hasn't gotten a free registration, let me know.00:16
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RuiChenI get it, but some conflict with my other work, so I can't join tokyo summit :(00:17
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thinrichspballand: ayip put the HOL talk proposal together.  Is VMware planning to provide machines like the last HOL?00:17
masahitothinrichs: I think your registered email address is different between gerrit and openstack foundation.00:18
thinrichsmasahito: I tried to fix all that, but you may be right.00:18
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pballandthinrichs: ayip hasn’t told me anything about it...00:18
thinrichsRuiChen: sorry you won't make it.  :(  Maybe next time!00:18
pballandI can ping him about it00:19
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pballand#action pballand Check with ayip on infrastructure for HOL00:19
thinrichspballand: that'd be great.  If VMware doesn't have the machines we'll need to figure out how to run the lab.00:19
thinrichsWe also need to decide on room requests for the design summit.00:20
thinrichsIn Vancouver we had 2 small rooms and 1 large room.00:20
thinrichsThey say there's less space in Tokyo and there are more teams requesting rooms.00:20
thinrichsIt's easier to get small rooms than large rooms.00:21
thinrichsAny opinions on what we should request?00:21
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pballandI’d rather have more meetings in small rooms than fewere in large rooms00:22
masahitoIt seems to be better to use small room to discuss features.00:22
thinrichsWe could try to ask for 4 small rooms and 0 large rooms.00:23
thinrichs(I agree the large room wasn't so useful last time.)00:23
masahitobecause we were able to discuss face to face in Vancouver at small rooms.00:23
thinrichsI also felt the time went really fast in the small rooms, which is why I proposed 4.00:24
thinrichsIf we asked for a large room, any thoughts on what we would discuss?00:24
thinrichsSomething that we'd want feedback from a larger audience on.00:24
veenathinrichs: I had applied for travel fund, but didn't get it :( not sure if I can make it.00:25
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masahitoIt could get feedback or attention for Congress itself in large rooms?00:26
thinrichsveena: sorry that didn't work out.  Maybe try again for Austin (the next summit)?00:26
veenathinrichs: Sure00:26
thinrichsmasahito: what would the topic be that might draw people in?00:27
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masahitothinrichs: it might be use-cases of in production deployment if there exists.00:28
thinrichsmasahito: none in production that I know of.00:29
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masahitothinrichs: hmm.. sorry, I couldn't help you ;(00:29
thinrichsIt sounds like we don't have a good use in mind for a large room.00:30
thinrichsSo we'll go with several smaller rooms.00:30
thinrichs4 seems good, and they can give us less if they need to.00:30
thinrichsIs anyone going to be around Friday?00:30
thinrichsI'm planning to fly out at 5p or so.00:30
thinrichsWe can request space on Friday too.00:31
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masahitothinrichs: which airport do you plan to use?00:31
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thinrichsNot sure yet—there are more flights into the farther one.00:32
pballandI’ll likely be heading out friday afternoon00:32
pballandbut don’t have flights yet00:32
masahitothinrichs: ok. it's reminder. If you use Narita, you need to leave summit place at noon to get flight at 5pm.00:32
thinrichsmasahito: thanks!  That's helpful.00:33
thinrichsI'm happy to meet up Friday morning, but I won't request a room unless someone else thinks it's a good idea.00:34
thinrichsAnd is planning on meeting up Friday morning.00:34
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thinrichsOk.  I'll skip requesting a room on Friday.00:35
thinrichsWe can meet up somewhere if we want to.00:36
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pballand+1 for avoiding Friday if possible00:36
thinrichsMoving on to the next topic.00:36
thinrichs#topic Tempest tests in gate00:36
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thinrichsI ended up disabling all of the datasource driver tempest tests.00:37
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thinrichsNow it seems to be consistently green.00:37
thinrichsAnd I've started running tempest tests before merging code.00:37
thinrichs(To do that, enter "check experimental" into a comment.)00:37
thinrichsThere's a patch under review for moving those tests to the gate00:37
thinrichsso that every time code gets merged those tests need to pass00:38
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masahitoShould I +1 for the patch moving tempest tests to the gate?00:39
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thinrichsThe infra team needs to +2 the patch.  I'll ping them tomorrow if it hasn't happened.00:40
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masahitogot it.00:41
thinrichsThe test coverage is pretty poor at this point, but at least we'll know we're not breaking basic devstack integration.00:41
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thinrichsLet's move on to status updates, with our remaining 20 minutes00:41
thinrichs#topic status00:41
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thinrichspballand: want to start?00:41
pballandunfortunately not as much to report as I wanted00:42
pballandI have a distributed DSE base class that I am working on00:42
pballandto test out ideas in the spec00:43
pballandI expect to be pushing a revised version of the spec in the next day or two00:43
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pballandthe code will be a bit further out as I get some of the kinks worked out00:43
pballandthat’s it for me00:43
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thinrichspballand: thanks00:44
thinrichspballand: any idea when you'll have a first cut at the base class pushed to review?00:44
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thinrichsThere's still enough for other people to do without seeing it,00:44
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thinrichsbut at some point soon it'll be helpful to see the basic methods provided by the base class00:45
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thinrichsEven if they're not fully baked.00:45
pballandmy hope is to have some eyes on it before next week’s meeting00:45
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thinrichspballand: nice!00:47
thinrichsWe're looking forward to it.00:47
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thinrichsRuiChen: want to go next?00:47
RuiChenI'm still working on bug 147392400:48
openstackbug 1473924 in congress "datasource-row-list API raise 400 exception when thread switching occur in update_from_datasource()" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Rui Chen (kiwik-chenrui)00:48
RuiChenstart to do refactor for other datasource drivers00:48
RuiChenI will push the patch to gerrit in next one or two days00:48
thinrichsRuiChen: great!  do you need anything from us?00:49
RuiChenno, thank you00:49
thinrichsmasahito: want to go next?00:49
masahitoI'm working on dist-api-* of schema, table, row model now00:50
masahitoI pushed a first commit for schema model.00:50
masahitoI'll push rest 2 models in 2 or 3 days.00:51
thinrichsmasahito: I haven't had a chance to look at that change yet.  Hopefully tomorrow morning.00:51
thinrichsRunning short on time…00:52
masahitothinrichs: ok00:52
masahitoit's my updates.00:52
thinrichsveena: want to do a status update?00:52
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veenathinrichs: I see that there are syntax errors00:53
veenathinrichs: which do not comply with py300:53
veenathinrichs: but most are in third party. Should I take up that work and fix it?00:54
thinrichsveena: leave thirdparty alone I'd say.  Get everything else working.00:54
thinrichsWe need to decide what to do with the thirdparty stuff—we might move it out of our repo.00:54
veenathinrichs: okay00:55
thinrichsYingxin1: status update?00:55
Yingxin1I'm working on schema conflict check on bug 148401500:55
openstackbug 1484015 in congress "policy rule head can have conflict definations" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Yingxin (cyx1231st)00:55
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Yingxin1the schema can raises exception when attempt to delete non-exist rules00:56
Yingxin1And it can be roll-backed00:56
Yingxin1I think it's ready for review00:56
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thinrichsSounds good.  I'll try to take another look tomorrow.00:57
Yingxin1Thank you00:57
thinrichsDoes anyone have anything else in the last 3 minutes?00:57
thinrichsOkay then.  We all get 2 minutes of our day back.  :)00:59
thinrichsSee you next week!00:59
masahitosee you!00:59
veenaBye. :)01:00
RuiChenbye, everybody :)01:00
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gordc#startmeeting ceilometer15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 27 15:01:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at
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eglynno/ belatedly15:02
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gordclet's start here's the agenda:
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gordc#topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers)
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gordcso last week (a bit less) before liberty-3 freeze15:03
gordcwe're doing pretty well in regards to remaining bps15:04
gordcsince the gate is dying, i'd asked if we can put some priority on the specs (and big bugs)15:04
gordci think the remaining items are llu's SNMP work (which he just uploaded)15:05
gordcthe last patch of my mandatory limit work15:05
gordcand dikonoor's event-rbac work15:05
gordcare there any minor minor items we want to get into liberty?15:05
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gordcright now i'm probably going to request a FFE for SNMP work.15:05
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cdentit would be handy if we had some kind of shared thing that said "these reviews are the ones that matter most right now"15:06
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gordcmandatory limit^15:07
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gordcdeclarative snmp:
gordc+ more to come.15:07
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gordcand that's pretty much it15:08
gordcif there's something else to track. please holler now.15:08
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pradkgordc, i'm working on getting the doc update for declarative meters out today.. will share link on os-ceilometer later today15:08
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gordcpradk: cool cool. i think we can probably close your spec when the code patches merge though.15:09
pradkthat would be to os-manuals repo though15:09
llu-laptoppradk: can you point me to the doc places? I believe my snmp work needs similar work15:09
ildikovpradk: cool, tnx for docco, please add me to the review too15:09
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pradkllu-laptop, will do, watch out for link on os-ceilometer. getting the sphix tests to pass now15:10
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pradkildikov, will do, thx15:10
ildikovpradk: cool, tnx15:10
llu-laptoppradk: thx15:11
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gordcllu-laptop: dikonoor: since you have the remaining bps, please keep us updated on work, if you run into any issues.15:13
gordccarrying on.15:13
gordc#topic recurring: ceilometerclient release?15:13
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gordci don't think i've tracked anything in ceilometerclient recently.15:13
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gordcanyone else15:13
gordclet's say no15:14
gordc#topic recurring: Gnocchi status15:14
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cdentinfluxdb functional gate job is around, experimentally15:14
cdentjust trying it for the first time now15:14
cdentno results yet15:14
gordccdent: cool. good start15:14
cdentnot much else huge going15:15
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gordcwe can loop back to discussion of influxdb driver in openstack re: new spec for non-gnocchi influx15:15
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gordclet's move on.15:15
gordc#topic Aodh release15:15
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gordcjd__: sileht15:16
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gordcsince we've been discussing it. it looks like we're very close to release 1.0.015:16
* sileht waits for gate to merge it latest patch about integration tests15:16
gordcwe have the integration test merged to test basic ceiloemter+aodh+heat path15:16
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gordcdoes anyone have concerns for releasing aodh 1.0.0?15:17
gordccool. sileht, jd__, i'm comfortable with where we are.15:18
llu-laptopgordc: so aodh won't follow  most openstack projects' release schedule, but much more like ceilometerclient in terms of release?15:18
gordcsileht: i guess we can wait for your integration patch to merge and we can cut the first release.15:18
gordcllu-laptop: yep. aodh will have it's own release cycle15:18
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gordcllu-laptop: similar to gnocchi15:18
jd__I wanted to release 1.0.0 but I lack the permission in gerrit15:18
jd__I asked -infra to fix that but didn't hear back yet15:19
gordcjd__: there's a new release process15:19
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gordcaodh probably falls under that as well.15:19
jd__gordc: which is?15:19
gordci don't know first releases work though so we might need to check with dhellmann15:20
jd__gordc: I'll take a look but I'm not sure we'll follow that entirely15:20
jd__I was planning to use the same process as Gnocchi15:20
gordcah i see... makes sense.15:20
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jd__that new process sounds a lot like someone engineered things without consulting what projects like us were doing15:21
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gordci don't have any privileges either but let me know if you need me for anything15:21
jd__e.g. splitting15:21
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gordci think it's more tailored to libraries but i assumed it might cover services as well.15:21
jd__gordc: yeah maybe – I'll see if we can fit15:22
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gordcseems it doesn't when i look at list of things it's covering15:22
jd__if it can be less work for us to release, why not :D15:22
gordcit's pretty simple process... edit yaml and let release mgmt team approve.15:23
jd__hmmm ok15:23
jd__why is there a release mgmt team and why and how they approve I wonder15:23
jd__gordc: is it for stable branch only or all branches?15:24
cdentjd__: I think the deal here is this is the process if you want the release:managed tag15:25
gordcit's based on branches15:25
cdent(or whatever the actual tag is)15:25
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jd__ah I see Ironic is in it for example so it might work15:25
jd__cdent: what's the real upside on this process? :)15:25
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* cdent has no clue15:25
jd__I'll gonna try and we'll see15:26
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jd__because it looks fun and lots of suprises15:26
llu-laptopseems ironic is the only service project15:26
gordcyou share blame when if things in the fan.lol15:26
jd__gordc: :))))15:26
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gordcif we want it to be completely managed by us, then we probably don't want it... but since Aodh is slightly tied to Heat we might want a more centralised release process15:27
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ildikovgordc: yeap, centralization makes sense from that perspective15:28
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gordcthe basic process is you put a release request patch in, and if affected PTL approves, a release is made15:28
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jd__sounds like a corporate madness15:29
jd__centralization supervised by people who have little clue what the project is doing, hm15:29
jd__but I'm ok to give it a try nevertheless15:29
* gordc looks at all our employers... no comment15:29
* jasonamyers has no ideas about this employers comment :P15:30
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gordcjd__: cool cool. yeah we'll try it and i'm sure it's not like we're tied to process.15:30
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jd__yeah I'm not that worried15:31
gordcjasonamyers: good answer, promotion! but first a few evaluations.15:31
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jd__now let's wait'n see15:32
gordccool cool... anything else on Aodh release? we all content that we're not missing something after the last integration test merges? (and ildikov makes docco of changes)15:32
jd__should be good, anyway we'd release 1.0.1 if we miss anything15:33
jd__release early, release often15:33
gordcjd__: true true... just ignore the blacklisted 1.0.0 :)15:33
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ildikovjd__: +115:33
gordc#topic open discussion15:34
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fguillotgordc: jd__ do you want to talk about the blueprint about timeseries I sent the other day?15:34
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gordcfguillot: sure15:34
gordc#topic influxdb timeseries spec15:34
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jd__who shoots first? :)15:35
ildikovfguillot: do you have a link handy?15:35
fguillotso the spec is here:
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ildikovfguillot: tnx15:35
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fguillotjd__: no blood please :)15:36
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fguillotis there any chance to include that in ceilometer or the only way for us is to contribute and improve gnocchi?15:37
jd__so where I stand is that I'm ok having a dispatcher driver that feeds InfluxDB15:37
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jd__if that's enough for you, well no problem15:38
mbelangerjd: in ceillometer or in gnocchi?15:38
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jd__in Ceilometer15:38
jd__dispatcher driver for ceilometer-collector15:38
jd__(to be clear)15:38
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gordcwithout any api support15:38
jd__yeah without any API support15:38
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jd__if you want API support etc, that needs to be in Gnocchi15:38
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fguillotwith or without the timeseries abstract layer?15:39
jd__so clearly the InfluxDB support in Gnocchi is far from optimal and we'd be happy to have help!15:39
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gordcif there's no api support, does that really benefit the community?15:39
mbelangergordc: I do not think so15:39
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gordcmbelanger: same.15:39
jd__gordc: that depends on the use case I'd say15:39
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jd__if you just want to use Ceilometer to poll data and feeds your InfluxDB, that's a valid use case15:39
fguillotI agree15:40
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jd__fguillot: that's a good question, I'm not sure I'd be happy with a whole abstract layer right away, maybe some helper classes for future drivers15:40
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jd__fguillot: let's start small and if someone comes with OpenTSDB or whatever we can then factorize some code maybe?15:40
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gordcjd__: sure. but does that need to be in community? there are many different custom publishers/dispatchers out there that aren't in community because they are very specific to a certain use case15:41
jd__so it really depends on what you want to achieve guys :)15:41
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fguillotfor us we will mainly use influxdb15:41
jd__gordc: I think it should be maintained because we can maintain it as InfluxDB is open source15:41
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fguillotso the abtract layer is not mandatory for us15:42
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mbelangerwe want to achieve bandwidth billing in an efficient way and a TSDB is the perfect choice but ceillometer as all the data we need. Are we alone trying to acomplish taht^15:42
jd__gordc: since I envision the dead of the v2 API it will have the same features as e.g. mongodb or sql15:42
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jd__fguillot: can you deal with having 0 API to access influxdb?15:42
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llu-laptopat least the dispatch driver without api support should be documented explicitly15:42
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jd__mbelanger: no, that's why we built Gnocchi15:43
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cdentif the goal is to create a dispatcher that uses influxdb, why does that need to be in ceilometer instead of just a stevedore plugin packaged separately?15:43
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jd__cdent: for maintenance and ease of distribution that's it15:43
gordcright but i'm assuming there's different ways you can store data in influxdb (like all db)... and if you model it a certain way, it won't necessary mesh with another person's use case.15:43
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jd__it's not technical it's more political :D15:43
cdententry_points are pretty handy15:43
fguillotjd__: yes we can live without an api, we can have our own api on the side15:43
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jd__so as cdent you can just write your own dispatcher with an entry point and be good with it already, sure15:44
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jd__then do we want to merge it in Ceilometer, that's a question, I'd say, but that's me :)15:44
jd__s/say/say yes/15:44
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mbelangerWhat if we develop the driver in gnocchi but it really uses the influxdb indexes instead of indexes in a seperate db^15:45
* cdent thinks we should have exactly one thing on each entry point and everything else should be external :)15:45
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cdentmbelanger: that would be really handy15:45
cdentnadya and crew are talking about working on that15:45
gordcmbelanger: ++15:45
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fguillotcdent: but if we create a separate plugin for that, can we publish the code it under the openstack repos as a new project?15:45
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gordcfguillot: yep... the powervm does that currently for their virt driver15:46
jd__mbelanger: we'd love that15:46
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cdentfguillot: I'm not opposed to having it in ceilometer, just stating alternatives15:47
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mbelangerjd: we would love to but we should have some discussion about the architecture (the way it is design)15:47
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gordcmbelanger: i think gnocchi is open to suggestion and contributions :)15:47
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gordcgnocchi team*15:48
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mbelangerI do not doubt that15:48
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jd__mbelanger: agreed15:48
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ildikovjust to add my two cents it looks much better approach to me to improve what we have in Gnocchi rather than add a driver to Ceilometer without API support15:48
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jd__the current architecture in Gnocchi does not fit exactly what InfluxDB could do best, we may need to change that indeed15:48
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gordcildikov: ++ that's my preference as well... of course, if there's reason why we can't i'm open to this dispatcher approach15:48
jd__ildikov: yeah I'd prefer to have code pushed into Gnocchi than in Ceilometer too15:48
jd__but I cannot force mbelanger and fguillot to do that ;)15:49
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fguillotjd__: what would be the best approach to contribute to gnocchi?15:49
fguillotand propose some changes, write a blueprint?15:49
ildikovwell, if we does not support the Ceilometer direction that much, but we are open to accept Gnocchi improvements that hopefully helps :)15:49
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gordcmbelanger: fguillot: if you go the gnocchi route, you'll have more support as it offers a common api. but it's really up to your use case.15:50
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idegtiarov_afaik ityaptin  already start work on improvement driver for influxdb in gnocchi15:50
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jd__fguillot: write a blueprint, a mail with what you want to do exactly, whatever, I don't mind15:50
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jd__fguillot: just communicate and discuss with us before doing anything, it's safer :)15:51
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gordcjd__: you think it's good to have an email/meeting to just discuss things first? i don't know how well gerrit is for discussion15:51
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jd__I do prefer emails than gerrit honestly15:51
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jd__so a mail on openstack-dev with [gnocchi[ as subject and I'll be all set15:51
mbelangerSkype or something is acceptable for you guys or not?15:51
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gordcmbelanger: i think we may be in different timezones.15:52
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gordcand mailing list will give people more time to think15:52
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jd__yeah I do prefer async15:52
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jd__fguillot: mbelanger: are you guys going to the next summit?15:52
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fguillotjd__: not sure, we have to talk to our boss :)15:53
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mbelangerYeah, but with one commit the ticket is free ;)15:53
gordcmbelanger: fguillot: maybe start with gnocchi mailing list and list out your use case and thoughts on what you want to change and we can all brainstorm. as cdent mentioned, nadya and mirantis team are interested in expanding influxdb paradigm15:53
jasonamyersso many bugs in the bug list15:53
jasonamyersfor free tix15:53
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gordcplease no spelling though... just me being picky15:54
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jd__on a side note if you have things to share about the Swift driver since you tested it mbelanger and fguillot I'd be happy to have your feedback15:55
fguillotgordc: jd__ ok let's try the gnocchi route, we will take some time to understand the existing code base and after that we will open a discussion on the mailing-list15:55
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jd__fguillot: cool!15:56
gordcfguillot: awesome! and if gnocchi can't be changed we'll go the dispatcher route15:56
mbelangerI'm ok with that15:56
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fguillotok for me too15:56
gordcif you ahve questions, feel free to ping for support15:56
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mbelangerIs gnocchi is use in production somewhere ?15:56
idegtiarov_fguillot, good choice15:56
gordcthanks for the cooperation folks15:56
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gordcmbelanger: it's being tested. i think many are waiting on influxdb support to adopt fully.15:57
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idegtiarov_mbelanger, afaik not yet15:57
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mbelangerOK thx15:57
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fguillotthanks everybody15:58
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jd__which is stupid since Carbonara is the best15:58
gordccool cool, anything else? no time left15:58
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jasonamyersbut out of time15:58
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gordcor openstack-ceiloemter better venue?15:59
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gordcok. let's chat there. if you're interested in midcycle move to openstack-ceilometer15:59
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gordcthanks everyone!15:59
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sridhar_ramgood morning tackers!16:01
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sridhar_ramvishwanathj: hi16:01
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sridhar_rams3wong here ?16:01
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vishwanathjI dont see him listed16:02
sridhar_ramokay.. lets give few mins16:02
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sridhar_ramlets start16:04
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sridhar_ram#startmeeting tacker16:04
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openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 27 16:04:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:04
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sridhar_ramsripriya: you there ?16:04
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sripriyasridhar_ram: o/16:04
sridhar_ram#chair sripriya16:05
openstackCurrent chairs: sridhar_ram sripriya16:05
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sridhar_ramAgenda #link
Rajkumarhello all16:05
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sridhar_ramRajkumar: hi16:05
sridhar_ram#topic Announcements16:05
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sridhar_ramhi everyone!16:06
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sridhar_ramTacker liberty midcycle meeting minutes available here - #link
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sridhar_ramSlides used for the discussion is available in slideshare here - #link
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sripriyasridhar_ram: thank you for leading the tacker liberty midcycle16:07
sridhar_ramThat's was a very productive meetup. Lots of nice discussions. Thanks for those who took the effort to participate!16:08
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sridhar_ramsripriya: thanks!16:08
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sridhar_ramanything else to announce ? deadline / milestones ?16:09
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sripriyasridhar_ram: how about the liberty release deadline for tacker?16:09
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sridhar_ramI frankly we had the Tacker M summit talk to announce.. too bad it didn't got selected :(16:09
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sridhar_ramsripriya: good question .. but we are bit lagging to get the previous checkpoints like stable/kilo pull, switch to master to knock off before we can take up Liberty release16:11
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sridhar_ramI'm hoping these blockers will be cleared soon.. hopefully in next few days16:11
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sripriyasridhar_ram: understood, we can decide a date once the switch to master happens16:12
sridhar_rams3wong: hi16:12
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sridhar_ramsripriya: exactly16:12
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sridhar_ramprashantD_: you there ?16:12
sripriyasridhar_ram: reg: sessions it will only make us evolve tacker even better for M release and beyond :-)16:12
prashantD_sridhar_ram : I am here16:12
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sridhar_ramsripriya: I sure bet Tacker will have lot more stuff to showcase in N Summit!16:13
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sripriyasridhar_ram: :-)16:13
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sridhar_ramNote, me and Bob H are invited for an NFV Panel .. will make sure to plug Tacker as much as possible ;-)16:14
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sridhar_ramlets move on16:14
sridhar_ram#topic AutoScaling Update16:14
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sridhar_ramprashantD_: take over for you are updates!16:14
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prashantD_I have the spec out for review.16:15
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prashantD_sridhar_ram : I saw your comments, I will address them, esp the template portion16:15
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prashantD_on the meter side we are just going to stick with cpu_util for now?16:15
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sridhar_ramprashantD_: given we have scoped to keep this effort simple I'm fine w/ sticking w/ cpu_util16:16
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sridhar_ramunless anyone else have other options on which triggers should kick off auto-scaling actions16:16
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vishwanathjgood initial start16:17
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prashantD_okay I will update the spec accordingly.16:17
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prashantD_once it is done I will start the implementation portion.16:18
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sridhar_ramprashantD_: sounds good16:18
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sridhar_ramteam - please review this spec - #link
prashantD_day job is keeping me really busy so I couldn't attend midcycle, sorry16:18
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sridhar_ramI also invite the VNF vendors interested in Tacker to see if they can leverage this feature...16:19
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sridhar_ram.. we need some beta testing for this feature w/ real VNFs16:19
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sridhar_ramprashantD_: no worries16:20
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sridhar_ramprashantD_: anything else ?16:20
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prashantD_sridhar_ram : no I am done for now...pls review the spec16:20
sridhar_ramwill do16:20
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sridhar_ram#topic Tacker-SFC Integration16:20
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sridhar_ramtrozet: you there ?16:21
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sridhar_ramlets continue ...16:22
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sridhar_ramas evident in the midcycle discussion .. we are super excited about Tim's SFC PoC efforts in Tacker16:22
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sridhar_ramI'd like to get the team's thoughts on how we can bring in into Tacker repo...16:23
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sridhar_ramparticular on the code structure that should host SFC api and backend implemenation16:24
vishwanathjwould not the regular process of a spec and then code patch set not gping to work16:24
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sridhar_ramvishwanathj: that would be the ultimate goal.. however I want to get the initial strawman among our minds clear so that we can guide that effort - spec / code, etc16:25
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sridhar_ramsome background ..16:26
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sridhar_ramTacker code, for good or bad, is structured along the lines of neutron extension ..16:26
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sripriyasridhar_ram: are we still thinking about providing a sfc extension?16:26
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sridhar_ramsripriya: I'm getting there ;-)16:27
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sridhar_ramwe are moving the current code into an extension named as "vnfm" - essentially the VNF Manager portion of Tacker16:27
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sridhar_ramwe also envision we will have an "nfvo" extension sometime in the near future with NFV Orchestration APIs / backends16:28
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sridhar_ramnow for SFC ... we probably need something similar..16:28
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vishwanathjoh I see16:29
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Rajkumar_Sridhar - Please share us any link or materials related to SFC.16:29
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_: unfortunately, there is no one spec to point to...16:30
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sridhar_ramhopefully the spec / docs we write for Tacker+SFC could serve that purpose...16:30
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sridhar_ramETSI-VNFFG is probably a good high-level model to refer..16:30
Rajkumar_Thanks Sridhar..16:31
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sridhar_ramIMO SFC is need in two places in ETSI MANO ..16:31
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sridhar_ram(1) for VNFFG which is at the NFVO / NSD handler16:31
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sridhar_ram(2) for intra-VNF (VDU wiring) -16:32
sridhar_ramI'm not too sure about (2) ... if there is a real use-case16:32
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sridhar_ramquestion to the team - should SFC exists as an NVFO API or should it be a common API (using a tacker sfc extension) ?16:33
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_: I remember your team was interested in NSD aspects...any thoughts here ?16:34
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Rajkumar_Sridhar - it would be in NFVO API16:35
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Rajkumar_as it connects with VNF's.16:35
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_: okay...16:36
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sridhar_ramlets think a bit more on Tacker-SFC integration .. it should map to ETSI-MANO's needs for SFC16:38
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sridhar_ramwe will have more SFC related activities in our next iteration !16:38
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sridhar_ramanything else on SFC ? questions, comments ?16:39
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sridhar_ram#topic Liberty Release Plans16:40
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xhuangone comment on service chainning16:40
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sridhar_ramxhuang: sure16:41
xhuangif the scope of the service chaining also includes networking16:41
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xhuangthen.. I am not sure if the NFVO is the right place16:41
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xhuangdo we have any documentation on the scope?16:42
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xhuangsorry I missed the discussion on this topic last Friday16:42
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sridhar_ramxhuang: agree, as pointed out earlier in this meeting, we need a document that spells out the scope of this effort16:43
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sripriyasridhar_ram: i can create a spec for SFC for the initial outline16:44
sridhar_ramany volunteers to take up this SFC work ?16:44
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sridhar_ramsripriya: cool, thanks .. we need someone to help Tim as well16:44
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sripriyasridhar_ram: i can coordinate with him16:45
sridhar_ramsripriya: sounds good! thanks16:45
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sridhar_ramxhuang: lets use that spec to discuss scope and our initial efforts16:45
xhuangsure.. thanks16:45
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sridhar_ramnow to the liberty release plans...16:46
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sridhar_rams3wong: we briefly discussed earlier in the meeting on this ..16:46
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vkssorry i am late16:47
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vksSFC I can take16:47
sridhar_ramwe should wait, may a week, until we clear the backlog - Bob's fix, stable/kilo, switch to master .. etc16:47
sridhar_rams3wong: what do you think ?16:47
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sridhar_ramvks: hi, sure .. you and Sripriya can collaborate..16:48
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vkssripriya, so can we talk offline16:48
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sripriyavks: sure16:49
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sridhar_rams3wong: you there ?16:49
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sridhar_ram... we sure will be cutting close for a liberty release...16:50
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sridhar_ramwe should try to rush the things in flight like MANO api, TOSCA parameterization and perhaps auto-scaling, that would be decent Liberty release16:51
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sridhar_ramlets open the floor for general questions..16:52
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sripriyasridhar_ram: ack16:52
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sridhar_ram#topic Open Discussion / Bugs / Misc16:52
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vkscan we put some timelines16:52
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vksalso can we list down all the doc, spec we have16:53
vksif any16:53
s3wongsridhar_ram: sorry, was away from my desk for a while16:53
vksit will help moving things faster16:53
sridhar_ramvks: the specs are in the tacker-specs repo16:53
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vkssridhar_ram, thnx16:54
sridhar_rams3wong: np16:54
vkscan we work on deciding timelines in next meeting16:54
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vksinternal to the team16:54
sridhar_ramIf I need to propose a date - Sept 18 - 3 weeks from now !16:54
sridhar_ramwhat you all think ?16:54
vksso what all in that?16:55
s3wongsridhar_ram: this is for Liberty release?16:55
vksi mean the scope16:55
s3wongsridhar_ram: 3 weeks from now sounds good... I should have time over the next week or so to clear review backlog16:55
sridhar_rams3wong: yes...too ambitious? ;-)16:55
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sridhar_ramvks: the ones I mentioned earlier .. the things that are in flight16:56
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vkssridhar_ram, MANO api16:56
s3wongsridhar_ram: I know MANO API would be in, how about monitoring and auto-scaling?16:56
sridhar_ramMANO api, TOSCA parameterization and perhaps auto-scaling16:56
vkstosca parametrization16:56
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sridhar_ramMANO api & TOSCA param is zero risk16:57
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sridhar_ramBob H need to comment on health-monitoring and Prashant for auto-scaling16:57
vkswhat about SFC??16:58
sridhar_ramBut the fact that we have a date .. might make this happen ;)16:58
s3wongvks: don't believe that would be remotely possible to make Liberty at this point16:58
sridhar_ramvks: SFC is early in the cycle..that can't be Liberty release16:58
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sridhar_rambut we can have some PoC my Tokyo summit16:58
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sridhar_ramthat code will be in the master16:58
sridhar_ramnot in the stable/liberty16:59
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* sridhar_ram 1 min mark..16:59
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s3wongsridhar_ram: yeah, would be nice to have a release by M-Summit16:59
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sridhar_ramwe got wrap up guys16:59
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sridhar_ramwe are out of time ..16:59
vkshey let me know if i can close some bugs16:59
s3wongThanks, guys!16:59
sridhar_ramif someone want to continue please jump to #tacker channel...16:59
sripriyathanks everyone!17:00
sridhar_ramvks: sure, thanks for your help!17:00
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mtreinishhi who's here today?17:01
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mtreinish^^^ today's agenda17:02
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* rcrit waves17:02
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mtreinishsdague, mkoderer, andreaf, dkranz, mkoderer, dtroyer, afazekas: around?17:02
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mtreinishwell, lets get started17:03
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mtreinish#topic Early summit prep (mtreinish)17:04
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mtreinishso ttx is look for estimates on how much space we'll need for summit17:04
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mtreinishspace is a little tighter so we probably won't get as much17:04
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mtreinishin YVR we had 5 fishbowls, 4 workrooms, and full day shared contributor meetup17:05
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mtreinishI was thinking maybe ask for 4 fishbowls, 4 workrooms and the same full day shared at the end17:05
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any thoughts on that?17:06
dpatersonwas the workroom tight in YVR?17:06
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dpatersonStanding room only17:06
mtreinishI think there was 1 or 2 of the 4 which were kinda crowded17:06
mtreinishI dont really remember17:06
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mtreinishalso, the fishbowl is a bit more limited in tokyo17:07
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mtreinishanyway, unless people have complaints with those numbers I'll go ahead and let ttx know17:08
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mtreinishok, lets move on17:09
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mtreinish#topic Specs Reviews17:09
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mtreinishdoes anyone have, any open specs to bring up17:09
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mtreinishdoesn't look like there is much activity in specs right now, I expect that'll probably pick up again around summit17:10
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mtreinish#topic Tempest17:10
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mtreinishok, does anyone have anything to discuss about tempest today?17:11
mtreinishopen bps, etc?17:11
dpatersontest accounts.17:11
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mtreinishdpaterson: oh, that's a good one. I actually have an update on that :)17:11
mtreinishdpaterson: but you go first17:11
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dpatersonI have had no luck running complete suite with test accounts.  Hangs do to locking error.17:12
dpatersonDon't have a lot of detail at m17:12
dpatersonHas anyone had luck running with test accounts?17:12
mtreinishdpaterson: yes, that was my update :)17:12
mtreinishthat has the new experimental/periodic test-accounts job running on it17:13
mtreinishI've been working on adding those so we can land the deprecation patch17:13
mtreinishright now there is a bug with 1 neutron test and the generator script which are blocking it from working17:13
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mtreinishbut for example:17:14
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mtreinishthat is successfully running with n-net and test-accounts17:14
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dpatersonperhaps my problem was on neutron17:14
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mtreinishdpaterson: well, the neutron failure is a single test that fails, but otherwise it works17:15
mtreinishdpaterson: we can take this up on -qa after the meeting and I can help you go through your setup17:15
dpatersonmtreinish: sure17:15
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mtreinishdoes anyone else have any thing else to discuss on tempest?17:16
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jordanPnope, we made good progress on the unit tests side17:17
jordanPfor the clients17:17
mtreinishjordanP: oh, cool. Do you know if we're ready to start the actual migration of some clients to tempest-lib soon?17:18
mtreinishbecause fwiw, I think we can always add unit tests after the migration too17:18
jordanPyeah but the current pace is good, so maybe we should wait until we do the move17:19
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mtreinishjordanP: ok sure, I'm fine with not blocking the pace17:19
mtreinishI was only just bringing it up because the clients living in the lib has been a big thing for a while17:20
mtreinishso I'm anxious to get it :)17:20
jordanPyeah, me too. Plus we see more and more project having funct tests in there tree, so this is needed17:20
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mtreinishok, anything else? otherwise let's move on17:21
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mtreinish#topic Devstack17:22
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mtreinishok there are a couple of topics in the agenda from jamielennox and rcrit on the agenda17:23
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sdaguecdent has patches up to pull ceilometer into a plugin17:23
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mtreinishsdague: awesome17:23
sdagueso, yeh, the tls patches17:24
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mtreinishrcrit: still around?17:24
rcritso it is really broader than tls, that's just where I ran into it17:24
mtreinishsdague: fwiw, I tend to agree with you this just seems like something the service catalog should be doing17:24
rcritthe issue is if there is a proxy in front of a service then one needs to set a config option to tell that service what the proxy value is17:25
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rcritso while I don't disagree that this is less than ideal, it's how things currently work, and it is blocking having tls proxy be part of the gate17:26
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rcritwhich inevitably leads to breakage every few weeks17:26
sdaguehere is my concern, reiterated, we slap this in. Then everyone disappears when we need help fixing the real issue.17:27
rcritso use devstack as a wedge?17:27
sdaguedevstack has often been that wedge of sane integration between components17:27
sdaguebecause it's where all the pain gets felt17:27
sdaguefor better or worse17:27
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rcritso it's a balance of how badly one wants tls testing done vs forcing the services to do the right thing17:29
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mtreinishrcrit: I think all we're saying is that before we land something like this there has to be at least a plan in place and work being done to start correcting the issue17:29
sdagueright, and what I said is that I really wanted a plan of how we get to the good place, before we do this work around.17:29
rcritwell, I'm just a lowly guy trying to add tls, I'm not the one to come up with this plan17:30
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sdagueok, so lets identify who is.17:30
sdaguethe service catalog is part of keystone, so it seems like keystone folks should own some of the responsibility here17:31
rcritI think they would argue that the catalog is there for the using17:31
rcritdespite the fact that they themselves do the same bad practice17:31
rcritbut perhaps if they show how it's done, it might be consumable by others?17:32
sdagueso, this is the reason I'm going to keep -1ing this patch. Because we keep going around in circles on excuses to not fix this.17:32
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rcritI wasn't excusing it, just pointing out the obvious17:33
rcritI imagine this code has been cut-and-pasted with each new service17:33
rcritso if one fixes it the others will probably be able to again copy it17:33
sdaguesure, it has, but we draw the line eventually when folks do that17:33
sdagueit was the whole reason oslo was created, for instance17:34
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sdagueso deciding "enough is enough" is not a new thing in OpenStack17:34
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rcritso to reiterate, the plan is to have keystone fix it first?17:35
rcritand then the other services follow their model?17:35
sdaguewhat I'd be comfortable with17:35
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sdague1) a plan on how we get to a good place where we don't need these config vars at all - agreed to by keystone folks17:36
sdague2) workaround gets landed17:36
sdague3) work towards real plan17:36
sdagueI get that fixing the world is going to take a while, but I want to see a plan on how we'd do that emerge before landing the work around17:36
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rcrityou lost me on the workaround bit17:36
sdagueyour patch is the work around17:37
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sdaguewhere we set all the manual configs for all the services17:37
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rcritso we need to get morgan, jamie and others to agree to this?17:38
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mtreinishsdague, rcrit: in the interest of time, can you guys continue the discussion in -qa or -keystone?17:38
mtreinishgreat thanks17:38
sdaguethough I feel like it's mostly a reiteration of the -qa conversation the other day17:38
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mtreinishsdague: heh, it might be. I missed that conversation17:39
rcritwell, you keep saying you want a plan but haven't really expanded on what that meant until today IMHO17:39
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sdaguercrit: ok, sorry, I thought it was clear17:39
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mtreinishanyway, let's move on17:39
mtreinish#topic Grenade17:40
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mtreinishso I guess the big news this week is cdent landing the ceilo grenade plugin stuff17:40
sdagueyeh, I think that's the only big notable17:40
mtreinishwhich is awesome17:40
cdentdoes that actually count as a big deal?17:40
cdentif so: go me! :)17:40
mtreinish#info ceilometer grenade plugin migration counts as a big deal17:41
morganrcrit: you need to catch me up on the patch in question post meeting17:41
mtreinishok, does anyone else have something on grenade to discuss?17:41
morganCc sdague ^17:41
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mtreinishmorgan: where's the grenade discussion point?17:42
morganThis was above. I was slow to type mobile17:42
morganBefore you switched topics.17:42
mtreinishhehe, just giving you a hard time :)17:42
mtreinishanyway, let's move on17:43
mtreinish#topic Adding StackViz to QA (timothyb89 / austin81)17:43
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mtreinishtimothyb89, austin81: still around?17:43
mtreinishcool, so why not give like a 2 sentence summary of what stackviz is17:43
mtreinishand maybe a link to it somewhere17:44
timothyb89stackviz is a utility to view performance and debugging info for runs of devstack and tempest17:44
timothyb89code is current at and an example is running at
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jordanPlooks nice !17:45
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sdagueoh, super nice17:46
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austin81the aim is to make debugging devstack/tempest runs a little more intuitive and eventually apply this knowledge to improving runtimes across the board17:46
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sdagueyeh, the timeline is awesome.17:47
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jordanPhow could we make this tool more "available" ?17:47
austin81In the future we plan to integrate the timeline in analysis of upstream runs as well (via subunit2sql mainly)17:47
sdagueso, can you break out some of the memory types in the mem section. Because cached vs. used would be good17:47
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austin81sdague: absolutley yeah that would be helpful17:48
timothyb89sdague: certainly, we do have all of that data available, presentation is a bit rough at the moment17:48
sdaguebut, overall, this is super nice17:48
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timothyb89jordanP: we have a patch to run it during devstack-gate cleanup:
sdaguewould be great to be just in the log dir generated after a run17:48
austin81jordanP: Correct me if I'm wrong, timothyb89, but I believe there was talk of setting up a small puppet module for a server?17:49
timothyb89sdague: in fact it is!
sdagueok, so strackviz needs to go into openstack proper first, right?17:49
sdaguethen we can retool 212207 for landing17:49
timothyb89sdague: yes, that is our intention17:50
sdagueawesome, great stuff17:50
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mtreinishsdague: yep, which I think what this topic was for, the qa project adoption17:50
mtreinishwhich I'm +1 on, I'll go add that to the reviews17:50
timothyb89austin81: yes, though we will need to hash out some details with testr integration17:50
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mtreinishok cool, does anyone have anything else on this topic?17:51
mtreinish#action QA to adopt stackviz project17:51
mtreinisherr or should that be info? whatever17:52
mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews17:52
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any open reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on?17:52
mtreinishI've got a couple this week:17:53
mtreinishwhich is just a maint thing17:53
mtreinisherr got that backwards17:53
mtreinishthat's the one which needs discussion17:53
mtreinishthat's the general main one17:54
mtreinishjust switching to using an oslo lib17:54
mtreinishand a docs improvment17:55
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mtreinishI think that's all from me17:55
mtreinishdoes anyone else have any reviews to bring up?17:55
hichiharaMy patches need devstack core's reviews
hichiharaThese patches remove dependence of vendor plugin.17:55
hichiharaSome vendor codes are unnecessary in neutron_plugins but they are left by the dependence.17:56
hichiharaThanks. If this is merged, we will be able to remove their codes from neutron_plugins.17:56
mtreinishhichihara: ok, cool. I'll try to take a look after lunch17:56
hichiharamtreinish: Thank you :)17:57
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mtreinishare there any other reviews? otherwise I guess we'll end here for today17:57
mtreinishoh, before I forget if you're planning on coming to the qa code sprint can you throw your name on the wiki:17:58
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mtreinishthanks everyone17:58
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daneyon_#startmeeting container-networking18:00
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daneyon_#topic roll call18:01
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daneyon_Thank you dane_leblanc Tango suro-patz thomasem for joining18:02
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daneyon_Lets wait until :05 for toher to join then we'll proceed18:02
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daneyon_OK, let's move forward18:05
daneyon_#topic Review/Discuss Kuryr Design Spec18:05
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daneyon_Lets take until :15 for everyone to review the spec and reconvene18:06
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daneyon_i'll be monitoring irc for any questions18:06
daneyon_But that doesn't mean I have all the answers ;-)18:07
daneyon_keep in mind the spec is a wip18:08
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TangoSo to visualize how we would use kuryr:  would it be an option in the new --network-driver parameter?18:09
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Tangoas an alternate to something like "flannel"18:10
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daneyon_Tango yes18:12
daneyon_and yes18:12
dane_leblancTango: That's what I would think, where magnum would then be issuing the 'sudo docker network create...' commands for Kuryr18:13
daneyon_and then pass any kuryr config params using labels18:13
daneyon_same approach for all network drivers18:13
daneyon_or the other option is to pass --network-driver libnetwork and specify libnetwork's native/remote driver using --labels18:14
daneyon_what option does the team prefer?18:15
TangoSounds good, we probably need to experiment with it a bit to see what works18:15
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daneyon_Tango agreed18:15
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daneyon_anyone have question re: the kuryr spec?18:16
daneyon_i'm sure you need more time to dive into it18:16
daneyon_Please do so and provide you comments in the review18:16
thomasemI'm a bit of a slow reader, so I'll just add comments as I see things.18:17
TangoThey don't seem to mention performance, I wonder if that would be important to some users18:17
daneyon_as you can see from the spec, their are still a lot of questions that need to be answered and a lot of details that need to be sorted out.18:17
daneyon_However, I think it's headed in a good direction.18:17
daneyon_thomasem take your time. I just wanted to use this time to get the team moving forward with reviewing18:18
daneyon_Tango it should mention performance, so pls add a comment in the review18:18
thomasemI'm wondering what the mental model is around handling OpenStack credentials here.18:18
thomasemfor the Magnum side of things18:19
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daneyon_the spec references supporting Magnum use cases, where performance is a use case. However, it might be a good idea to be explicit in the spec18:21
daneyon_unless their is more discussion on the kuryr spec, I would like to move forward.18:21
daneyon_and I'll keep the kuryr spec on our agenda for next week b/c i think it's very important for us to stay involved.18:21
daneyon_#topic Review Kuryr Integration Brainstorming EtherPad18:21
daneyon_I have added a few add'l notes18:21
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daneyon_the kuryr team called out keeping tabs on this etherpad  during their irc meeting18:21
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daneyon_the etherpad is a bit of a mess. It will get cleaned up soon.18:21
daneyon_thomasem their are some good notes related to auth in the kuryr integration brainstorming ep18:22
thomasemlooking now18:22
daneyon_thomasem thx18:22
thomasemthank ya muchly!18:22
daneyon_lets have everyone review the etherpad until :3518:23
daneyon_I'll be monitoring irc for any questions18:23
daneyon_but let's try to keep as much as possible in the ep18:23
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daneyon_pls put your handle under Contributors if you add to the ep18:24
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daneyon_t- 4 min18:31
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daneyon_OK, let's move on18:36
daneyon_We'll keep this topic for next week18:37
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daneyon_i know we are all busy and it's nice having time during this meeting to dive into these efforts18:37
daneyon_#topic Review Action Items18:37
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daneyon_ACTION: everyone to continue contributing to the kuryr/magnum networking integration etherpad18:37
daneyon_I have added to the ep and I know others have18:38
daneyon_pls continue to do so18:38
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daneyon_Again, in the next week or 2, I'll start organizing the ep into actionable steps18:39
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daneyon_#action danehans to take action next week on organizing the kuryr etherpad into actionable steps18:40
daneyon_an action for an action18:40
daneyon_ACTION: everyone review the kuryr design spec
daneyon_I have reviewed and commented on the kuryr design spec18:40
daneyon_I know other have too18:40
daneyon_pls continue to do so.18:40
daneyon_those are the only actions from last week18:40
daneyon_#topic Open Discussion18:41
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daneyon_I’ve been plugging away at the Magnum net spec bp’s and wip patches:18:41
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thomasemdaneyon_: Has anyone been able to step up to help cover that work?18:42
daneyon_i have a working setup where i can define --network-driver flannel or not specify a driver and the k8s coe uses flannel (b/c it's the default) using my wip patches18:42
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daneyon_I have been turning my attention towards labels so we can pass in params to the driver18:43
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daneyon_b/c without labels, only driver default settings will be applied18:43
daneyon_thomasem a few people have contacted me saying they are going to test the wip patches18:43
daneyon_It would be great if everyone could test18:44
TangoWill do18:44
daneyon_#action everyone test network-driver wip patches18:44
thomasemdaneyon_: Great. Thanks. Just got some work moved off my plate recently, so going to take a stab at whether I can finally get some time to actually work on this stuff.18:44
daneyon_if you add to any of them, please make sure to include yourself as a co-author18:45
thomasemAnd stop being *that* guy in the room.18:45
daneyon_adding the network-driver attribute was not too bad. Labels is a whole different story18:45
daneyon_partially b/c magnum supports labels for pods18:45
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thomasemWell, are you wanting to include, like, validation and what-not for each driver?18:46
daneyon_1 moment pls18:46
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daneyon_I am reviewing Glance code as a reference model for labels18:46
daneyon_Glance supports the --property <key=value> attribute that appears to be very similar to what we're trying to accomplish with labels.18:47
daneyon_we need conductor to parse the labels being passed into heat parameters.18:48
daneyon_thomasem no worries18:48
TangoHeat has something similar also with --parameters18:48
daneyon_thomasem i would like to validate the driver being supplied. I believe someone provided a comment on that very topic18:49
daneyon_feel free to add18:49
daneyon_atm, i would like to keep my focus on the label support18:49
thomasemYeah... I mean even a straight pass through is better than nothing at this point.18:49
daneyon_Tango can you please provide a link18:49
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thomasemFail-fast from validation is more a nice-to-have, really18:50
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daneyon_Tango if you can not find a link to what you;re referencing, pls send it to me by irc afterward18:51
TangoYep, I used to work around this code in Heat18:51
daneyon_It will be easier to just pass along all the labels unparsed to heat and have heat fail the stack create if the labels are incorrect. But maybe I'm wrong.. just trying to investigate options18:52
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daneyon_We are running near the end of the meeting.18:53
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daneyon_Does anyone else have open discussion items?18:53
daneyon_Otherwise, we'll close early and get back to work :-)18:54
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daneyon_That's a wrap.18:54
daneyon_Have a great day!18:54
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terrylhoweAnyone here for the OSC meeting?19:02
FdaisukeHi, I'm here.19:03
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MeganRHi, I am new, but here.19:03
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terrylhowe#startmeeting openstackclient19:04
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 27 19:04:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is terrylhowe. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:04
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terrylhoweDean and Steve are AFK, so how about we give them a couple minutes19:04
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terrylhoweWell might as well move on with a quick meeting at least19:08
terrylhowe#topic bugs19:08
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terrylhoweThere are several bugs that need to be triaged19:10
terrylhoweI see some that may be invalid now19:11
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terrylhowe#topic reviews19:12
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terrylhoweFdaisuke: I take it this is yours
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terrylhoweI’m thinking nothing is going on there until Dean gets back19:13
terrylhowethanks for the reviews by the way19:13
Fdaisuketerrylhowe: thank you too:)19:14
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terrylhoweyou got things going with the logging clean up.  I’d like to work on configuration next if that all goes through19:14
terrylhoweDoes anyone have anything they’d like to discuss?19:15
terrylhoweIf not I’ll end it.  Still no sign of Dean or Steve19:15
Fdaisuketerrylhowe: Is there anything I can do for it to be merged?19:15
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terrylhoweI don’t think so Fdaisuke just waiting for Dean to recover and return.  He has been online recently, so soon I’d think19:17
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FdaisukeOk, I'm waiting for Dean19:18
Fdaisukethank you.19:18
terrylhoweThanks, calling it19:18
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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting Nova21:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 27 21:01:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:01
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johnthetubaguy#topic Release Status21:02
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johnthetubaguy#info September 1st to 3rd: Liberty-3 and the mega freeze21:02
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johnthetubaguyso next week we hit string freeze, dependency freeze, feature freeze, and all that jazz21:03
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mriedemand novaclient 2.27.0 release on 9/121:03
bauzasbig question, fencing on Tues or Thur ?21:03
johnthetubaguy#info mriedem is working on putting together a python-novaclient release on tuesday, let him know if there is something that must be in that21:03
mriedemsomeone remind me early if i forget21:03
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johnthetubaguybauzas: good question21:04
johnthetubaguybauzas: it generally depends on the gate21:04
johnthetubaguybauzas: we start tuesday, to ensure we release by thursday21:04
bauzaswe agree it's a soft deadline, just a l-3 tag ?21:04
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johnthetubaguybauzas: this is a super hard one21:04
johnthetubaguyour friends doing translations and docs need our help by sticking to the deadline21:04
dansmithsecond-hardest of all21:05
bauzasby 'soft' I meant about tagging or branching21:05
johnthetubaguyoh, its tagging21:05
johnthetubaguywe branch at RC21:05
johnthetubaguyunless I missing something major21:05
bauzasokay, was just checking21:05
johnthetubaguycools, its good to check21:05
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johnthetubaguyanyways, I am kinda winding a few things up already, you will have noticed a few cells ones get the the chop this afternoon21:06
johnthetubaguymostly stuff that was looking like a no hoper, in terms of merging21:06
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johnthetubaguyI vote we talk in next weeks meeting about the exception process21:06
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johnthetubaguyanyways, any more questions?21:06
johnthetubaguywe can always cover those in Open21:07
johnthetubaguy#topic Bugs21:07
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johnthetubaguymriedem: I think you had some gate patches earlier, any more to cover here?21:07
mriedemgraph looks good on
mriedemso i don't know of any critical nova-specific gate bugs right now21:08
johnthetubaguyso at some point very soon, we need to start looking about for release blockers21:08
mriedemlooks like cells is impacted by
openstackLaunchpad bug 1489581 in tempest "test_create_ebs_image_and_check_boot is race failing" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Andrey Pavlov (apavlov-e)21:08
mriedemas are most things21:08
mriedemthere is a patch up in tempest to fix that though21:08
mriedemi added nova to that bug since it seems we could do some validation/wait logic in nova in that case21:08
mriedemnot high priority though21:09
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mriedemwould be a good time for subteams to raise up high priority bugs for them before l-321:09
mriedemlike, in the etherpad, not here21:09
johnthetubaguymriedem: very very good point21:10
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johnthetubaguyI vote we keep using this:
bauzasbefore l-3 seems a bit short, I was planning to focus on bugs during RC121:10
mriedembauzas: rc1 is too late21:10
johnthetubaguy#help please raise up high priority (possibly release blocking) bugs in the appropriate subteam in here:
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mriedemrc bugs are stopship21:10
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johnthetubaguybauzas: this last cycle was bug fixing time, hence the kicking out of the blueprints really21:11
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bauzasokay, I thought FF was the best period for focusing on bugs, if not then l-3 ?21:12
johnthetubaguyyeah **-3 is a great time for bugs21:12
dansmithbetween L3 and RC121:12
bauzasdansmith: that ^21:12
dansmithyou said "during RC1"21:12
johnthetubaguyyeah, bugs only for now21:12
bauzasdansmith: when I say RC1, I mean the FF period21:12
dansmithwhich we interpreted as "between RC1 and RC2" I think21:12
* bauzas has to learn more than just English21:13
johnthetubaguyanyways bugs fixes now21:13
johnthetubaguygo go bug fixes21:13
johnthetubaguyideally ones people care about21:13
johnthetubaguywe should move on I guess21:13
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion21:13
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johnthetubaguyso I skipped stuck reviews and regular reminders21:14
johnthetubaguybecause there are none, and we covered the reminders already21:14
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* dansmith cues the "wrap it up music"21:14
johnthetubaguyI dumped some random stuff in here, but should be quick21:14
johnthetubaguydansmith: heh21:14
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johnthetubaguyso summit session slots21:14
johnthetubaguywe have to submit our requests21:14
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johnthetubaguyI think we wanted the same as last time? if I remember the wrap up session correctly?21:15
mriedemkeep in mind that i think cinder was interested in a cross-project session21:15
mriedemthingee: ^21:15
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mriedemfriday meetup is always popular21:15
johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, good point, I think we can do that like the neutron one, I should ask ttx about the scheduling on that21:15
johnthetubaguyyeah, friday meet up is solid21:15
mriedemthursday afternoon priorities21:15
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mriedemhow do you plan on getting suggestions for topics and filtering that soonish?21:16
scottdayes, cinder is interested in a cross-project session21:16
scottdato discuss changes in Cinder-Nova API21:16
dansmithI think the bar for those sessions is high21:16
johnthetubaguymriedem: I think thats later on21:16
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johnthetubaguyyeah, I think its more likely to be a nova sessions, thats tagged also as cinder21:16
mriedemi'm just asking, i wont' be there so it doesn't really matter ot me21:16
johnthetubaguycross project told me, "more than two projects"21:17
johnthetubaguywhich was totally fair21:17
johnthetubaguymriedem: :'(21:17
mriedemi guess that makes sense21:17
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sc68calwe plan on having a cross project session for nova neutron21:17
sc68caleven if to just recap work since Vancouver21:17
mriedemwas there progress since YVR?21:17
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johnthetubaguyso we should back up a little21:18
johnthetubaguythere are going to be tones of sessions21:18
dansmithI think that getting another one for nova-neutron will probably be hard21:18
johnthetubaguythe question is, room formats21:18
johnthetubaguydansmith: yeah, they will not let us do another cross project on that21:18
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: sounds like "same as last time"21:18
johnthetubaguydansmith: yeah I am +1 that21:18
sc68calmriedem: yes there was :/21:18
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: who wont?21:18
dansmithmriedem: they21:18
johnthetubaguymriedem: the cross project folks (TC?)21:18
mriedemf them21:19
mriedemare they actually working on the projects? if not, why do they have a say?21:19
anteayayeah it is a tc sub committee who decides cross project sessions, from those proposed21:19
johnthetubaguymriedem: I figure we just use one of our sessions, and invite our neutron folks to join, but we can work that out21:19
mriedembend the rules21:19
mriedemor friday meetup21:19
johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, we can do what we like with "Nova" time21:19
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: if we need one, yeah21:19
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anteayawe can propose a cross project session and have a back up plan21:20
johnthetubaguydansmith: right, thats the other question21:20
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johnthetubaguyanteaya: yeah, that worked last time21:20
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mriedemcross project: nova + neutron + nfv + containers + ansible21:20
johnthetubaguywe are good with no work rooms21:20
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dansmithTBH, I'm surprised we're even having this shindig, given that mriedem isn't coming21:20
mriedemi know21:20
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tonybjohnthetubaguy: I don't think we'll have anything we can meaningfully do in an hour21:21
tonybjohnthetubaguy: so I'd say no workrooms21:21
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johnthetubaguytonyb: I certainly lean that way21:21
dansmithleave those for the people that actually do work21:21
mriedemworkrooms != design sessions right?21:21
johnthetubaguyI like the "make it really hard to use your laptop" rooms, it stimulates conversation21:21
mriedemworkroom == "hackathon"21:21
tonybmriedem: correct21:21
johnthetubaguyit has tables21:21
johnthetubaguyand new for this time, a LCD screen21:22
tonybmriedem: You get ~1hour to "knock something out"21:22
johnthetubaguysorry, I think it is "boardroom style"21:22
tonybmriedem: they work well but only for small tightly defined things21:22
johnthetubaguytonyb: it might actually be 45 mins, but thats splitting hairs21:22
tonybie not nova :D21:22
mriedemdansmith is going to lose it if we don't move on21:22
johnthetubaguyme too21:22
tonybjohnthetubaguy: I said ~(approx)1hour :)21:22
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johnthetubaguyso I am voting same as next time21:22
johnthetubaguycool, lets see if that works21:23
johnthetubaguyits a small venue21:23
johnthetubaguyuser survey21:23
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johnthetubaguythere is a new one21:23
johnthetubaguylet me know if there are questions you want it that21:23
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johnthetubaguyand I can pass that along to foundation folks organising that21:23
johnthetubaguyexcept I should have told them on tuesday, so make it quick21:23
johnthetubaguyone more thing, just to annoy people21:24
johnthetubaguyProduct management working group21:24
johnthetubaguyI am actually talking to them21:24
johnthetubaguywe are getting a CPL21:24
mriedemoh boy21:24
johnthetubaguyhe seems nice though, he used to code21:24
dansmithoh dear21:24
johnthetubaguy(if its the person I think it is)21:24
mriedemfor the space program21:24
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johnthetubaguyCPL = cross project liason21:24
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johnthetubaguy(apparently, although with better spelling)21:25
bauzaswhat's the goal of that ?21:25
dansmithto liase!21:25
dansmithbetween projects!21:25
johnthetubaguybauzas: so I have one goal, they have another21:25
dansmith3. Profit!21:25
mriedembauzas: to tell you to prioritize NFV + containers + neutron + ansible21:25
johnthetubaguyI want them to give folks more permission to work on priorities21:25
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anteayafolks more permission?21:25
johnthetubaguyI am working with them to convince your product managers that you should fix the things that need fixing21:26
anteayawhat folks?21:26
anteayaah thanks21:26
bauzasanteaya: having people helping peons like us21:26
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johnthetubaguyI hope to keep them busy thinking about that21:26
anteayaI'm for that21:26
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johnthetubaguyso they don't dream up any crazy feature requests, but lets see how that goes21:26
johnthetubaguyanyways, its a thing, I am hoping they will actually be able to help21:26
anteayathey already what to add state features to comply with legal requirements for getting user data21:27
anteayait is on the large deployments etherpad from the ops meetup21:27
* dansmith feels like we're done here21:27
tonybCan I ask about Juno?21:27
johnthetubaguyyeah, so if you are interested in all that21:27
johnthetubaguythen get in touch21:28
tonybdansmith: you can ignore me if you like I wont mind21:28
johnthetubaguytonyb: in a troll way, or a real way?21:28
tonybjohnthetubaguy: a real way sorry21:28
* alaski wanders in late21:28
johnthetubaguytonyb: OK, 2 mins21:28
tonybso devstack in juno is broken mriedem and I have been trying to fix it21:28
mriedemtonyb: the swiftclient 2.3.2 release will be out today21:28
tonybit's slow going and is gettign bigger21:28
mriedemtonyb: stable maint isn't just a nova problem21:29
tonybmriedem: \o/21:29
tonybmriedem: Sure but how much effort do we want to go to giebn juno will EOL in nov?21:29
johnthetubaguydo we not run stable branch tests reguarly?21:29
mriedemstable branch is tested in a nightly periodic job21:29
johnthetubaguylike more often than when we get the odd patch21:29
mriedemresults are posted to the stable ML21:29
johnthetubaguymriedem: ah, does anyone watch that?21:29
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tonybmriedem: it's goign to touch lots of projects if things keep going the way they are ....21:29
mriedemit's up to humans to read those21:30
johnthetubaguyah, right21:30
mriedemi don't know exactly when stable/juno is EOL21:30
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mriedemwe just recently EOL'ed stable/icehouse, so i wouldn't think juno is EOL until sometime in mitaka21:30
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dansmithcan we just wait until it is EOL? :)21:30
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tonybmriedem: (early) Nov from the wiki21:30
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dansmithI can totally make excuses for two months21:30
mriedemright, is there a problem?21:30
mriedema *new* problem?21:30
mriedemstable will be kind of a mess until stable/liberty due to the reqs caps issue21:31
mtreinishdansmith: running out the clock on stable is my normal attitude21:31
mriedemuntil then it's biz as usual with a handful of people maintaining it21:31
mtreinishbut there is someone who always complains about it21:31
mriedemlike me :)21:31
tonybmriedem: Nothing new just the fallout from the swiftclient thing21:31
mriedemyeah, so that's fine21:31
johnthetubaguymriedem: you actually do both though right? I am cool with that21:31
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johnthetubaguyOK, cool21:31
johnthetubaguyso we are done I think21:31
tonybmriedem: but with L3 coming up dhellmann is asking to pause on the stable releases and EOL etc21:31
mriedemtonyb: just go back through the stable rant history in the ML21:32
mriedemi haven't seen requests to EOL early21:32
* med_ hears about a swiftclient stable thing and quakes in his boots.21:32
mriedemmed_: purely for our gate testing21:32
mtreinishmriedem: that's just because I haven't had to look at it in a month or 221:32
openstackLaunchpad bug 1486576 in python-swiftclient "version 2.3.1 on stable/juno has uncapped futures which breaks dep resolution with capped taskflow" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem)21:32
mriedemanyway, we can take this offline21:32
mriedemplus i'm leaving21:32
johnthetubaguytalking of clocks...21:33
johnthetubaguymriedem: leaving?21:33
med_mriedem, tonyb tx.21:33
mriedemlike, work21:33
mriedemi'm leaving work21:33
mriedemnot nova21:33
mriedemnot pulling a jogo21:33
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johnthetubaguythanks all21:33
johnthetubaguyenjoy the music21:33
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johnthetubaguyloving the use of jogo as a verb21:34
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edleafeactually, it was a noun :-P21:38
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