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dhellmannttx: o/12:30
ttx#startmeeting releaseteam12:30
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ttx#topic Liberty release coordination12:31
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ttxI actually refactored a number of etherpads into a single plan at:12:31
ttxso we are at R-412:31
ttxOn the requirements side, we should have completed the work on constraint bumping12:31
ttxnot sure where we stand on that12:32
ttxI suspect it's linked to the libraries stuff12:32
ttxi.e. can't bump until we did the last relkeases12:32
dhellmannyeah, I think we have a couple of other libraries to release12:32
ttxI'll put in bold where we are late12:32
dhellmanntroveclient, glanceclient12:32
ttxAll oslo libs are done now ?12:33
ttx("done" as in we can branch from the last release)12:33
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dimsum__ttx: yes12:33
* dhellmann types slower than dimsum__ this morning12:33
dimsum__i am still in the weekend mode too dhellmann :)12:34
ttxI add bold to the steps we need to complete this week12:34
ttxSo we should cut stable branches for Oslo, make the last client rteleases and constraint bumps, thyen branch the client libs too12:34
dimsum__sounds good!12:35
ttxI type fast but don't stop to correct my typos12:35
dhellmannI'll start working on the releases as soon as the crew is here and working in the basement12:35
ttxOK, on the cycle-with-milestones front...12:35
dhellmanndimsum__: do you have permissions to create branches, or should I go ahead and do those?12:35
ttxwe need to engage with the various project teams and check that they purged their FFEs12:35
dimsum__dhellmann: i don't have permissions12:35
ttxand that they are making progress toward their RC1s12:35
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ttxWe also need to get them to converge on constraints (i.e. import the requirement bot proposed changes) once we have all the libs nailed12:37
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dhellmannttx: by purge you mean that the rc milestone is accurate, not empty, right?12:37
ttxby purge I mean, they should no longer have FFEs by now12:37
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ttxthey should have completed the associated features12:38
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dhellmannso nothing open12:38
ttxOK, I un-bolded the things that are blocked12:39
ttxLet's put names on each of those bold lines12:39
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ttxCool, once you're done with libs we can work on the bump/converge constraints R-4 tasks12:40
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ttxdhellmann: when do you expect to complete the libs releases ? Tomorrow ?12:40
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dhellmannI'll send email announcing the need for final client releases and that we'll create the branches later in the week12:40
dhellmannthere are just 2 up for review now, and I can do the releases today12:41
ttxOK, questions on that plan ?12:41
ttxThings missing ?12:41
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dhellmannI could start branching oslo and the clients we've done recently today/tomorrow12:41
dhellmannI think it's clear12:41
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ttxright, then we can work on clast contrainst bump and start merging the resulting updates at the end of the week12:42
ttxI may have skipped an important step, so if you think of anything let me know12:42
ttxOne interesting thing I notices with -intermediary things is that there is no real moment when do merge the translations12:42
ttxIf you follow johnthetubaguy's StringFreeze approach, we do have to do a RC2 to merge the translations, one week after RC112:43
dhellmanntranslations can be patch releases, no?12:43
ttxwhich is basically what we did in the past12:43
ttxdhellmann: yes12:43
ttxit's just that the process doesn't enforce those at all (in fact we never did that for Swift)12:44
ttxthere is a RC release, and most of the time it's the final, no "translations merge point release" after that12:44
dhellmannwe should talk to the translation team about that and see what we can do12:44
ttxjust food for thoughts, how to integrate translations in the "intermediary" model.12:45
amotokiRC2 for translation is the approach we did in horizon.12:45
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ttxright, it's what we do for every "milestone-based" project12:46
amotokiintermediary model has not discussed in i18n team either.12:46
amotoki*been discussed12:46
ttxok, moving on12:46
ttx#topic Publicize docs.o.o/releases12:46
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ttxdhellmann: I think it's ready to get some publicity now12:47
dhellmannok, I'll send email about that today12:47
ttxsince that will be our main way of associating numbers with cycles12:47
dhellmann-dev or -announce?12:47
ttxHmm... -announce maybe12:47
ttxmost devs know how to read tags12:47
ttxWe can point to it at the cross-project meeting12:48
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dhellmannsounds good12:48
ttxquestions on that topic ?12:48
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dhellmannif you have anything in particular you want in that message, let me know, otherwise I'll write something up on my own12:48
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ttxdhellmann: nothing special -- something like "with the new model it's more difficult to find which version maps to what cycle, so we provided a translation table  (website) and YAML data (repo)"12:50
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dhellmannthat's more or less what I was going to say12:50
ttxyou can point to my blogpost about new versioning12:50
ttxfor those who missed that epidsode12:50
ttx#topic Release model tags mass approval12:51
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ttxhmm, looks for link12:51
* dhellmann hopes this means his list of open reviews is going to shrink soon12:51
ttxlet's see if we can approve a bunch now12:52
dhellmannI see 2 with -112:52
ttxdhellmann: how much more time do you have in the meeting ?12:52
ttxwe can do taht one off-meeting12:52
dhellmannttx: just a couple of minutes, yeah, can we do that in a bit?12:52
ttx#info will do in-channel12:53
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ttx#topic PTL candidacy12:53
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ttxdhellmann: Wanted to ask you if you would be interested in a PTL rotation12:53
dhellmannI'll give that some serious thought.12:54
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ttxI don't expect that to change a lot either way, since we are acting like equals, but if you're interested, let me know and we can set up some healthy rotation there12:54
dhellmannwe talked about it a bit early on, and I think as long as you're around to help with schedule, it's probably something I could take on for a cycle as we push out the remaining process changes, but I need to check that HP doesn't have other stuff they need me to look at, too12:54
ttxsure, just let me know12:55
dhellmannI do agree it would be good to establish that we can rotate the position12:55
ttxJust saying I'm not stuck on the throne :)12:55
dhellmannI suppose I would need to propose myself, so I'll let you know in a day or two :-)12:55
ttxThe remaining points on the agenda are more forward-looking12:56
* jokke_ hands over the vaseline ;)12:56
ttx#topic stable/liberty point releases plan12:56
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ttxMy question here is whether there is anything we need to do before release / design summit on that front12:56
dhellmanndid we settle on doing those on-demand?12:57
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ttxI don't think we officially settled on that. We just said that would be plan B unless we can come up with something better12:58
dhellmannwe might just need to get the interested parties in a room to hash it out, then12:58
dhellmannI have to run, the workers are here12:58
ttxSo yeah, we might want to give that Mitaka plan a bit more publicity12:59
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boris-42#startmeeting Rally14:00
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boris-42ping kun_huang e0ne rvasilets14:01
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boris-42so let's start14:03
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boris-42#topic Todays Agenda14:03
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boris-42#link  [kun] argument for using atomic actions or not14:03
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kun_huangthere may be some arguments14:04
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boris-42#topic [kun] argument for using atomic actions or not14:04
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kun_huangIn the patch, the output of task seems bad, but:14:04
kun_huangif not using atomic actions, the output keeps meaningless from real business14:05
kun_huangif using atomic actions, the record time represent a combine of multiple calls, how do operators know what bad happened inside it?14:05
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kun_huangdo we have a rule for when to use atomic actions?14:05
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boris-42kun_huang: so that one example is very bad14:06
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boris-42kun_huang: we shouldn't call atomic actions in the loop14:06
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kun_huanggot it, that's rule No.114:07
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boris-42kun_huang: so I don't know how to check this automatically =(14:07
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kun_huangcheck the atomic actions in loop?14:08
stpierretbh, i think a lot of the problem comes from many of the neutron scenarios permitting multiple subnets per network. if they were all set to one subnet, with a separate scenario to test N subnets, then this problem would disappear14:08
rvasiletsDo we need to write like in murano in such cases? #link
stpierreif we're going to keep N subnets per network in all of the scenarios, then we probably need to rewrite it like that14:08
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stpierrethis particular scenario is still going to be strange, though, since it creates two networks, so there are always going to be multiple timers14:09
boris-42stpierre: so I have some ideas14:10
boris-42regarding to sub atomic_actions14:11
stpierreyeah, if we could nest atomic actions this would look much nicer14:11
boris-42stpierre: I found the way to do that14:11
boris-42stpierre:  I will make spec after we cut the release 0.1.014:11
boris-42kun_huang: ^14:11
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kun_huangno problem14:11
stpierrebut in the mean time we need to either a) get rid of subnets_per_network; or b) rewrite subnet creation/modification/deletion and router plumbing to use a single atomic action per loop14:12
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boris-42stpierre: so we can create N networks as 1 atomic action14:12
stpierrei'd prefer the former -- i think it'd keep things cleaner, and i'm not sure of the value of creating 5 subnets per network in a scenario that's supposed to test creating a router14:12
boris-42stpierre: after that create N subnets as another atomic actions14:12
stpierreyes, that's option (b)14:13
stpierreand i don't like it :)14:13
boris-42stpierre: so we may keep it as is for now14:13
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boris-42okay let's move to the next topic14:14
boris-42until we get nested atomic actions we will try to avoid such situation in our scenarios14:14
stpierredon't we want to fix the situation as it currently exists, though?14:15
boris-42stpierre: ?14:15
stpierrein the neutron scenarios, we run atomic timers in loops a lot.14:15
stpierreshould we fix that?14:15
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boris-42stpierre: so we can *14:16
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boris-42stpierre: at least for ports14:16
kun_huangI think boris-42 prefer now14:16
stpierreevery scenario that creates subnets or routers does it. and that's dang near all of them.14:16
stpierrethat's exactly what i'm trying to discuss14:16
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stpierrebecause i think it's preferable to get rid of the subnets_per_network option, whereupon this whole issue disappears14:16
boris-42stpierre: even in such case we will have N ports14:17
kun_huangstpierre: what's the purpose of first subnets_per_network case?14:17
kun_huanganybody remember that?14:17
stpierrekun_huang: i have no idea. it seems wrong14:17
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stpierreboris-42: for scenarios that should be creating multiple resources, obviously we need to move the timer outside the loop. but i'm not convinced we need as many of those as we have14:18
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boris-42stpierre: so what you are propsing to do?14:19
stpierrewhen benchmarking port creation, for instance, i feel like we should do 100 trials of 1 port rather than 20 trials of 5 ports. very few of the other scenarios (outside of the neutron plugin) do multiple resource creation, and where they do (e.g., boot_and_delete_multiple_servers) it's because it's a separate API call14:19
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stpierrei think the best solution would be to get rid of subnets_per_network and ports_per_network14:19
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stpierrethe anti-pattern here is the loop itself14:20
stpierrethe runner should provide the loop14:20
boris-42stpierre: but there is people that use this scenario14:20
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boris-42stpierre: becasue they really want to create N ports per network which is ok as far as I know14:20
stpierreif people are seriously concerned about the performance difference between creating one port per network and two, then we can keep a scenario to do that14:21
boris-42stpierre: what is better just to combine together atomic actions14:21
stpierreand move the timer outside the loop14:21
boris-42stpierre: there can be difference14:21
stpierreok, so  then we can keep a scenario to do that14:21
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boris-42stpierre: yep we can just reogranize the code to show all creation of ports as one atomic action14:21
stpierrefor ports we can, sure14:22
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stpierrebut then look at something like create_and_delete_routers, which has three loops, two of which contain (or should contain) two atomic timers each14:22
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stpierreso now we need to split that out into five loops (create subnets, create routers, add router interfaces, delete router interfaces, delete routers)?14:22
stpierreor, we get rid of subnets_per_network and the whole problem disappears14:23
boris-42stpierre: so we can create  all networks, all subnete, sall routers, all ports14:23
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stpierreokay. i think that's going to make the code unnecessarily complicated, and is counter to the way most other plugins work (and in general the way benchmarking should work), but if that's the way we want to go, then i'll respect that14:24
boris-42stpierre: so let's talk with neturon guys14:24
boris-42stpierre: I will talk today later and will see do they need this14:24
boris-42so let's move to the next topic14:25
boris-42#topic  [rvasilets] How to use Rally API in our functional tests?14:25
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kun_huangpython api?14:25
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rvasiletsBoris suggested to use Rally API #link in functional tests14:26
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rvasiletsBut when I started to add api calls into #link
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rvasiletsI found that api not working14:27
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rvasiletsI have made some debug and found that in functional tests there is no deployments table14:28
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boris-42rvasilets: api actually works14:29
rvasiletsThis was printed after I have executeв db.deployment_list()14:29
boris-42rvasilets: saying that API doens't work means saying that Rally doesn't work at all14:29
rvasiletsSo I don't now what is wrong14:29
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rvasiletsSee here #link
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rvasiletsline 65 gives an error14:30
boris-42rvasilets: it means that you are doing something wrong*14:30
rvasiletsAnd I don;t know what14:30
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rvasiletsDo we use db when is functional tests executed?14:31
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boris-42rvasilets: Rally doesn't wokr without DB14:32
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boris-42rvasilets: but not sure where it is created14:32
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boris-42rvasilets: inside utils.Rally() or when we are exectuing command14:32
rvasiletsAfter this #link
boris-42rvasilets: did you talk to redixin ?14:32
rvasiletsTable deployments must to be exist14:33
boris-42rvasilets: it's not DB14:33
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rvasiletsBut As we see from error14:33
rvasiletssqlalchemy can't find it14:33
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rvasiletsLas time he have suggested to me to add more debug information as I remember14:34
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boris-42rvasilets: so I don't have quick answer14:35
boris-42rvasilets: did you takl to redixin about this?14:35
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rvasiletsLast here said that "we need to research this issue"14:35
amaretskiy boris-42: rvasilets: I think I know the solution14:36
amaretskiy boris-42: rvasilets: I will explain this14:36
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amaretskiy boris-42: rvasilets: We simply have to configure path to sqlite file before any db query14:36
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amaretskiyI did that recently so I will consult rvasilets14:37
boris-42amaretskiy: we do this14:37
boris-42amaretskiy: if you take a look at the code14:37
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amaretskiythis code runs rally-manage and creates db14:39
boris-42amaretskiy: yep14:39
amaretskiyhowever we have issue while accessing db running rally as a lib, if db is located in non-standard place14:39
boris-42rvasilets: oh I know the issue14:39
boris-42rvasilets: yep ^ that is exactly the bug14:39
amaretskiyI had investigated this recently14:39
amaretskiyand the solution is simple14:40
boris-42rvasilets: you don't init CONF properly in case of rally.api14:40
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amaretskiyrvasilets, boris-42: yes, the CONF is the root cause14:40
amaretskiyrvasilets, boris-42:  here is a root cause -
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amaretskiywe simply have to run set_defaults14:41
amaretskiythe very first time14:42
amaretskiybefore these lines faired14:42
boris-42amaretskiy: yep14:42
amaretskiythis can be a dirty way14:43
amaretskiyhowever that was my working case14:43
boris-42amaretskiy: or use the rally.conf file14:43
amaretskiyi just wanted to test something14:43
boris-42let's move to next topic14:43
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boris-42as far as we know where is the issue14:43
boris-42rest can be disucssed in rally chat14:43
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boris-42#topic [boris-42] Rally Tags for Big Tent14:44
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boris-42stpierre: kun_huang amaretskiy rvasilets so guys14:44
boris-42we were asked by Ops guys to create tags for big tent14:44
boris-42related to Rally14:44
boris-42I believe that there should be at least few of them14:45
boris-42like has-rally-plugins runs-rally-in-gates14:45
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boris-42works-against-rally =)14:45
kun_huangbtw, our talk is cheep, if we have a plan for such tag, will that be reviewed by tc team?14:45
rvasiletsSorry for nobie but what is the term "big tent" exactly mean?)14:47
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boris-42kun_huang: so I believe we should make a patch14:49
boris-42kun_huang: to governance14:49
boris-42kun_huang: or even bettter start mailing thread14:49
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rvasilets"Just Rally it"14:49
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boris-42rvasilets: seems like you mislead the idea of tags14:51
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boris-42rvasilets: tags are added to the projects14:51
boris-42rvasilets: if they pass some criteria14:51
boris-42rvasilets: like they have rally plugins14:51
boris-42rvasilets: or they use rally in gatting14:51
boris-42rvasilets: they works under load of 1k users and so on14:52
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rvasiletsWhy we need tags?=) Is this just for Openstack bureaucracy?14:53
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rvasiletsok. "rally-performance"?14:53
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kun_huangrvasilets: for example14:54
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rvasiletsHow will use this tags?14:54
kun_huangthe recent ceilometer perfomance issue will be failed with "work in rally"14:55
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kun_huangbecause their recently change break rally's job14:55
kun_huangon perfomance view14:55
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kun_huangover 300s for event list api call14:55
boris-42kun_huang: it's some kind of bug inside ceilometer14:56
boris-42kun_huang: I believe14:56
kun_huangboris-42: it is14:56
kun_huangthere is a very slow sql query14:56
kun_huangliusheng is working on it14:57
boris-42kun_huang: great14:57
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boris-42okay we have to finish our meeting14:58
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anteaya#startmeeting third-party15:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 14 15:01:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'third_party'15:01
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asselin_hi anteaya15:01
anteayahey asselin_15:02
anteayaasselin_: how are you this morning?15:02
asselin_anteaya, I'm fine :)15:02
anteayaglad to hear it15:03
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anteayaanything third party wise you would like to discuss today?15:03
asselin_nothing in particular15:03
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anteayaany developments on the third party dashboard tool?15:05
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asselin_I don't think there's anything new. I'm planning on looking into them in more depth today15:05
asselin_hopefully we can make a go-forward decision tomorrow15:06
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asselin_but I still haven't heard back from Sweston regarding radar15:06
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anteayaa data point to keep in mind15:08
asselin_anteaya, have you seen the tool options? do you have any opinions?15:08
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anteayaI have seen a few15:08
anteayaI am willing to look at your assessment of the tools15:08
anteayaand I can offer an opinion if you like15:08
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asselin_ok I need to find the etherpad link15:09
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asselin_I can't find it. it's in the #openstack-third-party-ci room which isn't logged....15:12
anteayaah okay15:13
anteayawell when you can find it15:13
anteayado share15:13
asselin_sure I'll ping you later today when I find it15:13
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anteayashould I leave the meeting open do you think?15:13
anteayasure thanks15:13
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asselin_well..the other thing I'd like to discuss is
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asselin_but that is more infra related.15:15
anteayado you want to share your thoughts for the log?15:15
asselin_but it does impact 3rd party, especially towards migrating to a common-ci solution15:15
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asselin_the patch introduces a backwards compatibility issue15:16
asselin_so anyone deploying nodepool and not using the latest puppet scripts would need to create the new secure.conf file15:16
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asselin_my ci-s & infra are not affected b/c we're using the latest puppet-nodepool scripts.15:17
asselin_clarkb mentioned last week since nodepool version < 1.0 we don't need to bump the version number per semver15:17
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asselin_there's also some question (Joshua Hesketh) as to where to put the nodepool test-job.15:19
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anteayajhesketh: is sitting to my right15:20
asselin_so it'd be great if we can iron out those issues and get the patch merged....15:20
anteayain about 5 more minutes after we finish going round the room I will get jhesketh to join us15:21
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asselin_it would be great to have yolanda pabelanger and jeblair as well15:22
jeblairasselin_: hi there15:23
jheskethasselin_: ah right, that one (just catching up)15:23
jheskethasselin_: so I have an opinion about moving the test-job param, but it's just an opinion and not blocking on it at all15:23
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anteayaso asselin_ has some thoughts as he has outlined above15:23
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anteayaanyone else care to share their perspective on asselin_'s goal and the patch linked?15:24
jeblairwhat's the question? :)15:24
anteayaasselin_: do you want to clearly form a question?15:25
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asselin_the goal is to get the patch merged, but there are some questions regarding the test job and backwards incompatibility15:25
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jeblairit's definitely backwards incompatible.15:25
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asselin_pabelanger, hi15:26
jeblairbut we make backwards incompatible changes a lot.  and we'll keep doing it.   but we can try to make sure people know about them.15:26
jeblairand of course since we use puppet to continuously deploy, there will be a sequence of changes that stepwise implement the change without breakage15:27
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asselin_jeblair, right, for -infra & my 3rd party cis those changes have already merged (puppet-nodepool) I can look it up15:28
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yolandahi asselin, i'll be around for short time, but i'm available now15:29
asselin_yolanda, we're discussing your nodepool secure.conf change15:30
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jeblairthe test-job should not go in the secure.conf file15:30
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jeblairif we move it, it should probably be to associate it with a label.15:31
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yolandaah yes, we decided to move to the nodepool yaml, with jenkins targets, i remember15:31
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jeblairso therefore, it ought to be a different change.  i think it's a good idea, but we don't use it so it's not high on my list to do right now.15:32
jeblairi think i said something to that effect in the comments already15:32
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jeblairbut i can do it again if that is desired.15:32
yolandaso as far as i know, i didn't include on secure.conf, but on yaml, is not like that?15:32
jheskethjeblair, asselin_: yes, the discussion we had is here:
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pabelangerYa, I'd like to see if move forward. Breaking working nodepool configuration leaves some sour taste in my mouth.  Any way to make secure.conf optional?15:34
jeblairprobably test-job would have been moved to label a long time ago if we actually used it.  :)15:34
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jheskethmy point about test-job was simply that rather than breaking compat twice, we do it all in one job15:35
pabelangerif not, I am fine with that. We just need to make sure everybody downstream knows of the change15:35
jheskethbut as jeblair points out, we don't promise non-breakage, so it's not overly important15:35
jeblairpabelanger: nodepool isn't nearly well designed enough to carry around that kind of baggage :(15:35
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pabelangerfair enough15:36
yolandathis change is already complex enough to add more features to it15:36
yolandaso i'd prefer to move test-job to an independent change15:36
pabelangerwell, a version bump should be simple :)15:36
yolandai agree that we should bump version with that secure.conf addition, as we are breaking backward compatibility15:37
pabelangerYa, don't get me wrong, I like the change. So I don't want to hold it up longer then already it has been.15:37
yolandai'm afraid of breaking downstream really. In our side, we consume a custom branch, and we manage syncs manually. But i'm not sure on all use cases, people consuming directly from upstream may have bad surprises15:38
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yolandamaybe sending an announcement to the mailing list, before approving, can work?15:38
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jeblairyeah, announce to -infra list would be prudent i thin15:39
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jeblairalso, in zuul, we keep a NEWS file with notes on breaking changes15:39
pabelangerYa, anything to give a heads up helps.  For me, I have old clients that are running nodepool. So, if I can point them to a simple ML post, that helps15:39
asselin_and -dev [third-party]15:39
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jeblairasselin_: let's focus these messages on -infra15:40
jeblairthat's what it's fore15:40
yolandaok, so this needs to be coordinated, maybe sending the announce on mailing list, with an exact day of the change15:40
yolandato give time for people to be prepared15:40
yolandaand also point to the changes done in puppet to get a general idea on the new config15:41
asselin_jeblair, I'm not sure how my third party folks subscribe to that list, but maybe that's something we can note that they do up-front.15:41
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yolandasending that to opentack-dev, with the right topic, cannot hurt...15:41
jeblairasselin_: i think that people using our tools should subscribe to it.  it's not necessary information for third-party ci folks not using our tools.15:42
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jeblairyolanda: i think we should avoid sending every message to every list.  let's try to keep them on topic.15:42
asselin_jeblair, ok I can send the note to -dev and reference the -infra post15:42
jeblairthis is not related to openstack development15:42
jeblairthis is related to nodepool development15:42
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yolandaso how do we move forward?15:44
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asselin_jeblair, ok, then we should ask third party folks to subscribe to -infra. I'll take that action.15:44
jeblairasselin_: the ones using our tooling, yes :)15:45
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asselin_#action asselin_ ask third party operators using infra tooling to subscribe to -infra list15:45
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jeblairsend announcement to -infra; merge change; (optional: move test-job); (optional: start a NEWS file in nodepool repo); (optional: release with version bump)15:46
jeblairyolanda: ^15:46
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yolandajeblair, how do you want to schedule that? maybe giving a week between the announcement and the deploy?15:46
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jeblairyolanda: no, i think immediate is fine.  we don't promise that we won't break CD systems running master.  if someone wants to run our tools CD, they should probably be using puppet and keeping on top of things.15:48
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anteayaare we getting to a way forward?15:49
yolandajeblair, you will take care? or do you want me to send the announcement to the ml?15:49
anteayaanyone what to propose a plan of action?15:49
jeblairanteaya: i thought i did.15:50
jeblairyolanda: would you please send it?15:50
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anteayaso jeblair has proposed a plan of action, can we all agree to it?15:50
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yolandajeblair, sure15:50
yolandawill it be landing today?15:50
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yolandajeblair, asselin, so i need to step out for a while. I'll come back later and write some announcement, first i'll send you for review. Are you ok with that?15:55
jeblairyolanda: sounds good, thanks15:55
yolandapabelanger as well ^15:55
asselin_yolanda, agree15:55
anteayaI do believe I have to end the meeting15:56
asselin_anteaya, I think that's it. we can take the rest offline. We have a plan forward now.15:56
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asselin_thanks everyone15:56
anteayahave we reached a happy place?15:56
anteayathank you15:56
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anteayasorry I was multitasking with the qa sprint15:57
yolandathanks all, nice to have it moving forward15:57
anteayathanks all for contributing to the conversation15:57
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anteayaI appreciate it15:57
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rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral16:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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NikolayMhi everyone!16:00
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akuznetsovahi there16:01
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xylan_kongother guys?16:01
rakhmerovnot today most likely, maybe Winson will join but not folks from ALU, they have a holiday16:02
rakhmerovso let's start16:02
rakhmerovthe agenda is at:
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rakhmerov#topic Review Action Items16:03
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rakhmerov1. xylan_kong: look at the failing test NegativeCLITests.test_ex_invalid_status_changing, it may be related with
rakhmerovI know it's done )16:04
rakhmerov2. rakhmerov, xylan_kong: remind zhenguo about
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rakhmerovdone but there's still some work to merge a patch into infra16:04
rakhmerovit's on review now16:04
rakhmerov3. xylan_kong: review and Nikolay's documentation patches16:05
rakhmerovthis is done16:05
rakhmerovthank you!16:05
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rakhmerov4. rakhmerov, zhenguo: help Liat with her patch on tasks screen16:05
rakhmerovthis is, honestly, something that I still didn't find time for16:05
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rakhmerovzhenguo may have found though but I don't have info about it16:05
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rakhmerovxylan_kong: do you know?16:06
xylan_kongmaybe zhenguo is busy with some PoC these days16:06
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xylan_kongdid'nt have enough time for upstream work16:07
rakhmerovok, I'll try to catch Liat and talk to her about her patches16:07
rakhmerovI see16:07
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov: talk to Liat about her patches16:07
rakhmerov5. rakhmerov or NikolayM: implement task() yaql function16:07
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rakhmerovalthough this workstream is not finished, we need to remove deprecated stuff so that we can't use "$.task_name" to access task result16:08
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov: finish all that's left after adding task() yaql function16:08
rakhmerov6. gpaz: try to investigate what may be wrong with expiration policy (look at
rakhmerovhe is still looking at it16:08
rakhmerov#action gpaz: try to investigate what may be wrong with expiration policy (look at
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rakhmerov7. ^Gal^: make mistral-dashboard debug shine16:09
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rakhmerov#action ^Gal^: make mistral-dashboard debug shine16:09
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rakhmerovthis is the patch:
rakhmerovok, let's move to the next topic16:10
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rakhmerov#topic Current status16:10
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NikolayMmy status: worked on documentation, fixed dsl docs, checked bug related to env evaluation  in with-items, start to work on some bugs16:10
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rakhmerovmy status: released L-3 last week, this time the delay was about 3 days which I consider ok but we definitely can do better16:11
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rakhmerovalso implemented a couple of things: refactored specifications (polymorphic specs, separate validation etc.), fixed a bug with wf cycles, implemented task() function16:12
rakhmerovxylan_kong: what does your smile mean? :)16:12
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xylan_kongMy status: I have been busy with censor summit topics internally for almost the whole last week, and did some review work in spare time16:12
xylan_kongjust for 'we can do it better'16:13
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rakhmerovyes, we can :)16:13
rakhmerovwe're learning how to16:13
rakhmerov:) alright16:13
akuznetsovaI am working on python34 gate, try to make it "green"16:13
rakhmerovI'd suggest we make it in separate patches so that they are not so big16:14
rakhmerovthis gate is non-voting anyway16:14
rakhmerovbut it would be really cool if we finally did that16:14
rakhmerovakuznetsova: than you very much for volunteering )16:14
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rakhmerov.. thank ...16:14
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rakhmerovguys, 2 questions: 1) any roadblocks that you see? 2) xylan_kong: what your availability is going to be for the next couple of weeks?16:15
akuznetsovarakhmerov, no problem)16:16
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xylan_kongrakhmerov: I'll be on business trip next week16:16
xylan_kongbut I think I have at least 2 hour per day for upstream work16:17
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rakhmerovok, good16:18
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rakhmerovnext topic16:18
rakhmerov#topic Scoping RC releases16:18
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rakhmerovso since we released L-3 we now started working on RC1 release16:19
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rakhmerovas far as RC releases, we're not adding any new functionality, especially API changes, and mostly fixing bugs16:19
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rakhmerovwhat I think is ok is to continue with docs and UI16:20
rakhmerovbecause it doesn't break any compatibility by any way16:20
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xylan_kongagreed, we can bring new features to discuss at the summit16:21
rakhmerovI've tried to arrange all the bugs that we have and assign the most important ones (IMO) to RC1 and some to RC216:21
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rakhmerovagain, this bug<->release assignment is mostly my vision of what we need to be focused on16:22
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rakhmerovand hence I'd like to ask you to look through the list of bugs and let me know what you agree/disagree with16:23
rakhmerovin other words, feel free to make your sugguestions16:23
akuznetsovabtw, here is a link
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rakhmerovthanks, yes16:24
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rakhmerovthe main criteria that I was guided is "does it prevent using Mistral in production?"16:24
rakhmerovfor example, this one does:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1337268 in Mistral liberty "Security issue: passwords are not hidden in logs" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Lingxian Kong (kong)16:25
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xylan_kongyes, this is the one I'm struggling with16:25
rakhmerovI know it's a hard one but we have to provide a solution16:25
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rakhmerovxylan_kong: I left a comment there, please look at it and let me know your thoughts16:26
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xylan_kongrakhmerov: thanks16:26
akuznetsovamaybe we should change the title of this bug?16:26
rakhmeroveven if you agree with the solution it will take pretty long to implement16:26
rakhmerovat least a week16:26
xylan_kongI'll try16:26
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rakhmerovakuznetsova: yes, do you have a suggestion?16:27
xylan_kongand I need NikolayM's help as well, NikolayM please also take a look16:27
akuznetsovapasswords -> user-specific secure data16:28
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NikolayMyep, How can I help you?16:28
xylan_kongNikolayM: need you input for this problem :)16:29
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rakhmerovcheck this out:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1337268 in Mistral liberty "Security issue: user secure info is not protected properly (logs, API, DB)" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Lingxian Kong (kong)16:30
rakhmerovis this title ok?16:30
xylan_kongabout how can we solve it elegantly16:30
akuznetsovayes, sounds more 'english' )16:30
xylan_kongrakhmerov: perfect16:30
rakhmerovakuznetsova: will take it as a compliment :)16:31
xylan_kongrakhmerov: about pagination support at client, we can do it in RC-1?16:31
xylan_kongor leave it to M?16:31
rakhmerovlet's try to push it16:31
rakhmerovhonestly, I thought it was done when I was going thru the list of bugs16:32
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xylan_kongsince it's new feature for mistralclient, so it break our rule16:32
rakhmerovxylan_kong: would you like to take it?16:32
xylan_kongno, I just missed it16:32
rakhmerovit's a bug rather16:32
xylan_kongrakhmerov: sure, let me finish my work16:32
rakhmerovit's not new functionality16:32
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xylan_kongrakhmerov: ok, I will file a new bug for that16:33
rakhmerovand it may actually be done in a backwards compatible way16:33
rakhmerovyes, please16:33
rakhmerovone thing I'd ask you is to always assign the current milestone for a bug if it's completed16:34
xylan_kongcan I?16:34
rakhmerovit's mostly my fault, I know, but I found lots of fixed bugs without milestones16:34
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rakhmerovxylan_kong: I mean even if you can't (please check if you can) you can ask me16:35
akuznetsovarakhmerov,  I think that xylan_kong doesn't have enough permissions16:35
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xylan_kongrakhmerov: ok, sure16:35
rakhmerovxylan_kong: btw, you should be able to16:35
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xylan_kongrakhmerov: yes, I wish I have16:35
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xylan_kongI don't belong to mistral driver team16:36
xylan_kongright there?16:37
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rakhmerovok, let me figure out that16:39
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rakhmerovI think it's actually because of the different group16:39
rakhmerovMistral Bug Team16:39
akuznetsovayes, this one
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rakhmerovyes, I'm generally not against of giving you a permission but I think it doesn't work right now in our project16:41
xylan_kongrakhmerov: it's ok16:42
rakhmerovlet me figure out something16:42
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rakhmerov#action akhmerov: figure out if it's ok to include xylan_kong into Mistral Bug Team16:44
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rakhmerovxylan_kong: I'll do it tomorrow. I think it's ok to do it16:44
rakhmerovjust need to read a couple of wiki pages :)16:44
xylan_kongrakhmerov: ok, it's not so urgent16:44
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rakhmerovguys, any suggestions now on bugs for RC releases?16:45
rakhmerovand you can look at them offline and make your suggestions then16:46
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akuznetsovado not forget about bugs here
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rakhmerovyes, however, we don't have any RC releases for client and we can just release minor versions if needed16:49
rakhmerovassuming that we don't break compatibility, of course16:49
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rakhmerovbut yes, let's not forget them16:49
rakhmerov#topic Open Discussion16:49
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rakhmerovusual question: anything else?16:50
akuznetsovanothing from my side16:51
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rakhmerovplease don't forget to review patches16:51
NikolayMsure :)16:51
rakhmerovremember: core member is primarily core reviewer16:51
rakhmerovnot committer16:51
xylan_kongI always call my self core reviewer :-)16:51
xylan_kongand keep reviewing every day16:52
rakhmerovok, cool16:52
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rakhmerovI actually wish we had more good reviewers (don't want to offend anyone)16:52
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rakhmerovok, let's end the meeting16:52
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rakhmerovbye guys, thanks16:53
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matjazphey all17:01
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matjazp#startmeeting training-guides17:01
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matjazproll call17:02
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matjazphi cloudtrainme mgrohar17:02
rluethihi all17:02
matjazphey roger17:02
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matjazphi jmckind17:03
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matjazplets look at last week's action items17:03
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matjazpcloudtrainme: any luck with "hunting down" some coworkers? ;)17:03
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cloudtrainmejmckind: is one of my co-workers17:04
jmckindI am one of those and a rookie, so be kind... :)17:04
matjazpjmckind: welcome!17:04
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cloudtrainmeAlso, there is one more logging in now.17:04
matjazpcloudtrainme: nice17:05
matjazpcloudtrainme: we should give you more action items in the future ;)17:05
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cloudtrainmelol...those are easy action items17:06
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matjazpI've put a simple TOC for Training sildes on Wiki17:06
bgmccollumo/ Here cloudtrainme17:06
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matjazpWiki page is still a mess, I have to cleann it up a bit17:06
matjazpbgmccollum: welcome17:06
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bgmccollummatjazp: thanks17:06
matjazpbgmccollum jmckind if you guys need anything, please just ask17:07
matjazpok... the last action item is still there for me17:07
matjazp#action matjazp sends a question regarding pics "pastebin" (ala to the docs ML17:08
matjazpbtw... i think one way to do it is to use to store base64 encoded image and then a simple web service to decode and show it17:09
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matjazpsomething like
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cloudtrainmematjazp: this was for storing images right?  Trying to remember.17:10
matjazpcloudtrainme: yes17:10
matjazpwe need something to store pics (like for text17:11
bgmccollumso an imgbin service? lots to choose from...17:11
matjazpif we share link to dropbox or other cloud service, it gets deleted and there is no real archive for reviews17:11
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matjazpbgmccollum: I guess we need something like openstacks paste service.. not ephemeral, but more or less permanent17:12
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matjazpok, moving on to the agenda17:14
bgmccollummatjazp: possibly a solution using swift?17:14
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matjazpbgmccollum: it's a possibility, yes17:15
matjazpbgmccollum: I don't know if something like it exists for "general" audience17:16
matjazpbgmccollum: and there are endless complications regarding copyright issues17:16
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matjazpbgmccollum: so it is easier to just base64 encode an image, paste it to existing and than just publish a link using this paste to decode on the fly...17:17
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bgmccollummatjazp: gotcha...17:18
matjazpanyway, it is not an priority, just a nice to have feature that enables easier slide reviews17:18
matjazplike when you want to show that something renders wrong on a particular OS or browser17:19
matjazp#topic Upstream training landing page17:19
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matjazpthis is a first shot at a new landing page17:20
matjazpI kept the old one as slide-index.html17:20
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matjazpyou can look both at the review17:21
matjazpI published direct links to the pages generated at the gate17:21
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jmckindwill review...17:21
matjazpyou can look at this generated slides if you click at the Jenkins gate (gate-training-guides-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild)17:22
cloudtrainmeon that topic, when we are developing slides, whats the best way to generate them locally?17:23
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matjazpjust run tox -e upstream-slides17:23
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matjazpor tox -e training-slides17:24
cloudtrainmematjazp: got it.  thanks.17:24
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matjazplook at the tox.ini for the right target17:24
matjazpwhen you upload a patch, this tox.ini has two actions that gets executed17:24
matjazpcurrently publishing is at
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matjazpif this new landing page is ok, we can proceed to start the process of publishing th eupstream material to (without draft17:26
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matjazpand we chose to continuously publish all patchsets, so when we merge a patch, it gets published immediately17:27
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matjazpwe have a list of bugs at
matjazpso you can just assign a bug to yourself to reserve a work that needs to be done17:29
matjazpif anyone needs help with the process, just ping me17:30
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matjazpactually... or look at the slides of the upstream training :)17:30
jmckind will do17:30
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matjazpit's complicated, I know.17:31
bgmccollumgrabbing my first bug17:31
matjazpit's easier to just use powerpoint or keynote, but this is not a git frendly format17:32
jmckindYeah, we have had our own struggles with that17:32
matjazpinternally, in my lab, we settled for reveal.js17:32
bgmccollummatjazp: you might be interested in madoko -
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matjazpit's much more capable than Hieroglyph/Sphinx we use here17:33
matjazpbgmccollum: nice.. will look at it, thnx17:33
mgroharhm, looks like madoko is using reveal.js17:34
matjazpI guess we chose this mainly because we wanted to use RST instead of MD17:34
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matjazpbut the transformation from RST to MD is not a complex task and can be automated, so we can switch to some other framework if we chose so17:35
matjazpanyway. back to usptream training17:36
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matjazpthe plan is to publish this new page at the docs index and also add a link to our deliverables to the, at the OpenStack Online Help box17:37
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matjazpI'll wait for Tim Freunds review (or other trainer for Tokyo Upstream training) to look at the landing page17:39
matjazpanything else for upstream training?17:40
matjazpone patch just got merged, there are several more to go. we have like 30 days to do it17:40
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matjazpand we still need to look at the other half of the upstream slides and enter bugs that nees to be updated before the ummit17:41
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matjazpany takers?17:41
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matjazpok, moving on to the training guides17:42
matjazp#topic training slides17:43
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matjazpany news here?17:43
cloudtrainmeI'm working on the slide for Compute.17:44
cloudtrainmeIt looks like they slides are numbered, ie 08-****17:44
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cloudtrainmeis there a numbering system we should be folllowing?17:44
matjazpcloudtrainme: yes, this is from old guide17:44
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matjazpcloudtrainme: do we even need nubbering?17:45
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matjazpwe'll publish a landing page that list topics/modules17:45
cloudtrainmeyeah...i don't think we need the numbering as long as we have a TOC17:45
matjazpmaybe we don't need numbers, as we plan to reuse material between different guides17:46
cloudtrainmeif some topics build on others, we need to preserve the order.17:46
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matjazpcloudtrainme: yes, this order will be suggested on the landing page17:46
cloudtrainmematjazp: perfect17:47
matjazpcloudtrainme: if we mix'n'match slides together, numbers will just confuse things17:47
cloudtrainmematjazp: I agree.  Let's drop the numbers.17:47
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matjazpand avery topic should be as small as possible, so it can be used/reused in different formats/slides17:48
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matjazpso is it an agreement? we loose the numbers in the name of the modules/chapters/topics17:49
matjazpwhat do you think?17:49
mgroharmakes sense to me17:49
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cloudtrainme#vote yes17:50
jmckindworks for me :)17:50
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matjazpanyway, if we stumble upon something, we can easily add the numbering scheme later17:51
matjazp#info slide modules have no numbers in the names17:51
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matjazp#info order of the modules is preserved with the ordering of items on the landing page17:51
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matjazpanything else for training slides?17:52
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cloudtrainmenothing here.17:53
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matjazp#topic AOB17:53
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matjazpanything else?17:53
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matjazpwill you guys all be at the summit?17:54
cloudtrainmeI'll be there.17:54
jmckindyes, I am also signed up to help with the training the weekend before.17:54
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matjazpjmckind: with upstream training?17:55
bgmccollumill be helping at the summit as well17:55
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matjazpjmckind: excelent. upstream is a month away so I guess it has a priority. we need to update the slides17:56
bgmccollumI just submitted a review for an updated stackalytics screenshot17:56
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matjazpjust enter a bug if you see anything tht needs to change17:56
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jmckindI will look at the upstream slides17:58
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matjazpok, time's almost up17:58
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matjazpjmckind: please do and just add a bug if something needs to update17:58
matjazpexcellent meeting, thanks everyone17:59
matjazpsee you next week17:59
bgmccollumits on the calendar. thanks matjazp17:59
mgroharnext week, bye17:59
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sarob#startmeeting akanda18:01
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sarobgood morning18:03
sarobelo: hey eric18:03
sarobfirst item18:04
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sarobelecting a project PTL in preparation for mitaka18:04
sarob#topic  electing a project PTL in preparation for mitaka18:05
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sarobi put it out there that18:05
sarobi have enjoying running the dev meetings18:05
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sarobbut its time to elect a technical leader18:05
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sarobadam gandelman has shown his technical leadership in the project18:06
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sarobso i lean toward him, but18:06
sarobthis is a public project so we need to discuss it18:07
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markmcclain+1 to adam_g18:07
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davidlenwellalso +1 to adam_g18:07
sarobopen for discussion on the topic18:07
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sarobryanpetrello: you around?18:07
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davidlenwellbut it wouldn't hurt to discuss the alternitive of markmcclain taking that roll would it?18:08
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sarobcertainly not18:08
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sarobits all up for discussion18:08
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adam_gim fine with takin over if its me18:08
sarobmarkmcclain: what are your thoughts?18:08
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sarobi didnt see any responses when I put the PTL discussion out on the ML18:10
sarobso i thought we should open discuss here18:10
markmcclainI've kicked around the different scenarios while I be happy to serve as PTL18:10
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markmcclainbut from a project community and community perspective I think would be a better fit for the next cycle18:11
markmcclain*I think adam_g would be a better fit for the next cycle18:11
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eloI'm too new to project to contribute18:13
sarobmarkmcclain: so if i understand correctly, you are offering to be PTL for mitaka cycle?18:13
sarobmarkmcclain: or for the remainder of liberty?18:13
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davidlenwellhe's saying he'd be happy to do it but he thinks adam_g is a better fit for next cycle18:13
markmcclainsarob: quite the opposite.. I think adam_g would be good PTL18:13
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markmcclainand selecting a ptl for remainder of L and all of M makes sense since the other projects are going through the same process currently18:14
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sarobmarkmcclain: got it same PTL for the rest of L and M18:16
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sarobokay if no more discussion then lets vote18:18
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sarob#startvote adam gandelman as PTL for the remainder of L cycle and all of M cycle18:19
openstackUnable to parse vote topic and options.18:19
sarob#startvote adam gandelman as PTL for the remainder of L cycle and all of M cycle?18:19
openstackBegin voting on: adam gandelman as PTL for the remainder of L cycle and all of M cycle? Valid vote options are Yes, No.18:19
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sarob#vote yes18:19
markmcclain#vote yes18:19
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davidlenwell#vote yes18:19
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sarobryanpetrello: ?18:20
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sarobi guess thats majority18:20
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markmcclainryanpetrello is off today18:20
openstackVoted on "adam gandelman as PTL for the remainder of L cycle and all of M cycle?" Results are18:20
sarob3 yes18:21
sarob1 abstain18:21
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sarob1 not present18:21
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sarobcongrats adam_g18:21
adam_gw00t thanks guys18:21
sarobmoving on18:22
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sarob#topic akanda F2F hack18:22
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sarobwe had discussed a few different times18:23
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sarob28-29 september seems to be the best dates18:23
sarobin portland18:23
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sarobare we in agreement still that is the right place and time?18:23
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markmcclainworks for me18:24
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eloyes. I'm in town that week already18:24
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sarobdavidlenwell, adam_g?18:25
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sarobim pretty sure davidlenwell is good as well18:25
davidlenwellsorry .. i knew you knew that so I didn't speak up18:26
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sarobso we need to start prepping for mitaka and get a some work prepped for the f2f18:27
adam_gi think we should first worry about getting our liberty release in order18:27
sarobadam_g: what do you think the f2f focus should be?18:28
sarobadam_g: like scheduled work that is18:28
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adam_gsarob, oh right, yes. we can discuss future M development in portland.18:29
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adam_gwell, assuming we get our L released next week :)18:29
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sarobadam_g: yeah, so we should organize the f2f schedule very soon18:30
sarobi was thinking we can schedule a 30 minutes or so over irc sometime this week18:31
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adam_gwe can just create an etherpad people can dump ideas into as they get htem?18:31
sarobadam_g: sounds good18:31
saroblets share over ML then?18:31
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adam_g#action everyone start dumping ideas for M planning into
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sarob#action everyone start dumping ideas for M planning into
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sarobmoving on18:33
sarob#topic critical bugs18:33
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1481877 in akanda "stable/juno branches are versioned incorrectly" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Sean Roberts (sarob)18:33
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sarobshould all be ready to merge18:34
sarobi had a typo in the commit msg18:34
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sarobthx markmcclain18:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1491593 in akanda "tenant created networks cannot be deleted by the tenant" [High,In progress]18:35
adam_gi have patches up for those two18:35
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1492056 in akanda "A missing appliance instance is caught by alive check, not the missing instance" [High,In progress]18:36
adam_gsarob, can you create an rc1 release milestone so i can start targeting bugs accordingly?18:36
adam_galso, FYI we decided a couple of weeks ago that our rc1 would go out next week with the rest of em18:37
markmcclainadam_g: good catch18:37
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adam_gsarob, ah cool18:37
sarobadam_g: need to change the date though18:38
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sarob#action sarob update rc1 release to match neutron18:38
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saroblooks like18:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1490331 in akanda "akanda-appliance stable/juno test.unit.drivers.test_hostname.HostnameTestCase test is failing" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ryan Petrello (ryan-petrello)18:39
sarobwas already merged, just not updated18:39
adam_gthats a stable/juno bug18:40
* adam_g untargets18:40
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sarobadam_g: yup18:40
sarobso we need some reviews on your bug patches adam_g18:41
sarobanything else before bp update?18:41
adam_gmarkmcclain, maybe you know if this is a bug or expected
openstackLaunchpad bug 1491673 in akanda "newly created router briefly reports as ACTIVE before it is built" [Undecided,New]18:42
adam_gwe can chat about that after18:42
adam_gsarob, okay to move on18:42
sarob#topic progress on liberty rc118:42
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markmcclainadam_g: yeah.. it's a quirk we've tolerated for a bit18:43
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adam_gmarkmcclain, ah ok18:43
sarob#info appliance provisioning driver18:43
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sarobdavidlenwell: update18:43
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davidlenwellin the process of fixing all the tests that fail in
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sarobanything else?18:46
sarobbase driver patch18:47
saroband driver ffactory patch18:47
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sarobshould be ready to merge after those tests are landed?18:47
davidlenwellThre will be new patches on the driver factory that includes tests18:48
sarobokay good18:48
davidlenwellbut the base driver patch will likely stay as is18:49
sarobgot it18:49
sarobmoving on then18:49
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sarob#info LBaaSv218:50
sarobi believe you plan on starting tomorrow18:50
davidlenwellwork on that blue print will start tomorrow.. plan to get it finished in a few days18:50
sarobmoving on18:51
sarob#link rug scaling18:51
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sarobadam_g: your patches are out there18:51
sarobwe as a team need to review18:51
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sarob#action team needs to review rug scaling patches pending18:52
sarob#info nodepool/pez18:52
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adam_gjust fished up a working POC on friday18:53
sarobadam_g: how is that coming?18:53
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adam_gi'll clean that stuff up and hopefully have it in a state others can start banging on it this week18:53
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sarobanything else?18:53
adam_ggood thing is that pez is its own standalone service and default/existing behavior will be preserved18:53
adam_gso we shouldn tneed to block release if its still in an experimental state18:54
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sarobgot it18:54
sarob#info docs updates18:54
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sarobfirst quarter of this is merged18:55
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sarobill get more pushed up this week18:55
sarob#topic any other business18:55
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markmcclainnone from me18:56
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sarobanyone else?18:57
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adam_gsarob, shall i plan on chairing the meeting next week?18:57
sarobyes, plz18:57
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sarobroger roger18:58
sarobi guess that is it18:58
sarobcheers everyone!18:58
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stephenwallisame here … :0) …19:03
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sgordonMeganR, not according to the wiki19:04
sgordoni wont be shocked if i go to eavesdrop and it says something else19:05
cloudrancherHello Jay is on here and on the bridge19:05
stephenwalliCarol sent around notification this morning that still claimed 20:00 UTC ...19:06
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cloudrancherI guess we jumped the gun. See you in one hour19:07
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nateziemannhas the productWG meetings moved one hour later now?19:08
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stephenwalliBack ...20:01
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geoffarnoldReady for ProductWG?20:01
philipwgeoffarnold: indeed20:01
barrett#startmeeting Product Work Group20:02
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SheenaGHey guys - I'm here but only lurking on IRC since I'm in another meeting for work20:02
barrettroll call, pls20:02
stephenwalliI’m using Colloquy on a Mac.20:02
barrettGood to have you Sheena20:02
barrettI use Pidgin on Windows20:03
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SheenaG+1 to Pidgin on Windows20:03
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geoffarnoldTextual5 on Mac20:03
kencjohn_o/ Here20:03
cloudrancherJay is on the irc and on bridge20:04
geoffarnoldo/ on both20:04
MeganRo/ on both20:04
kencjohn_SheenaG Do you have dialin info?20:04
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barrettGreat - The agenda for today is:20:04
barrettVolunteers Needed!20:04
barrettUser Story team updates - User Story Teams, CPLs20:04
barrettTimeline Review – Carol  ·         Opens - All20:05
barrettany other topics we want to make sure we reserve time for?20:05
kencjohn_Voice: Access: (888) 875-9370, Bridge: 3; Passcode: 127859820:05
barrett#topic: Volunteers needed20:05
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barrettCPLs needed: Neutron, Ceilometer, Manila20:06
geoffarnoldJust for the record (I already told Shamail) that for the next week or two I'm not going to be able to do much for ProductWG, because of both personal and work related priorities. Apologies...20:06
ShamailHi everyone (sorry I am here but partially AFK)... I am only able to join via IRC today.20:07
pchadwickI will tentatively handle Manila20:07
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Shamailpchadwick: if you are willing to cover Manila as CPL would you be fine with covering it for roadmap too?20:07
barrettPete volunteers for Manila - Thanks!20:08
barrettAny volunteers for Ceilometer?20:08
Shamailgeoffarnold: understood sir!  all the best.20:08
pchadwick@Shamail - modulo not knowing what it takes yet, yes.20:08
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Shamailpchadwick: thanks, we will cover it later and you can revisit your answer.20:08
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cloudrancherFor those only on IRC we are discussing resposibilities of the CPLs20:10
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barrettKrish Raghuram raised his hand for the Ceilometer CPL20:12
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barrettShamail - can you forward the meeting inite for the roadmap updates to Pete? And the notes from last weeks meeting too?20:13
barrettOur CPL needs are covered for now!20:14
ShamailAbsolutely.  Can you please assign an action?  I can send it this evening.20:14
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barrettNext area we need some volunteers is aroudn the Roadmap Updadte20:14
barrettShamail - So you want cover this?20:14
ShamailCan you please lead barrett?  I am IRC only so it might be difficult20:14
ShamailThe last email contained status, action items (and deadlines)20:15
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barrettWe are looking for folks to work with the PTLs for: Heat, Trove, Ceilometer, TripleO, Sahara and designate20:15
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barrettThe working team has developed an interview guide that you can use in discussions with PTLs20:16
barrettTiming is important - we're targeting to get the basic information for the refresh by the end of this week!20:16
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cloudrancherAnybody that has a relationship with the PTLs would be extreemly helpful20:17
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ShamailThe OpenStack Foundation has some dependencies on this work-stream, hence the urgency.  Sorry in advance for the rushed schedule.20:17
cloudrancherTime sensative - We really need people to work on this week20:18
barrettKenny Johnston is raising is hand for Heat and Designate!!20:18
cloudrancher+1 Kenny20:18
barrettShamail - Same request on sending info, meeting invite, etc to Kenny20:18
barrettAny other volunteers?20:19
kencjohn_I only raise my hand to things where I don't know what I'm getting in to :)20:19
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ShamailWill do.  LOL kencjohn_20:19
cloudrancherstory of my life20:19
pchadwick@kencjohn +120:19
ShamailThat could be written as the most interesting man in the world meme.20:19
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barrettKrish Raghurm raised his hand for Ceilometer20:20
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Shamailbarrett: should I just sent out the status to the mailing list?20:20
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Shamailbarrett: please send me info on new roadmap volunteers because I don't want to add the whole ML to the invite20:20
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barrettShamail: Will do!20:20
Shamailbarrett: thanks!20:20
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cloudrancherI'm traveling - I can't do much this week20:21
cloudrancherI'm in South Africa20:21
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barrettcloudrancher: Gotha20:21
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cloudrancherMaybe it would be better to send via email since we are kind of light on attendance20:21
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barrettOK - we've got a couple of areas we still need coverage on, but let's move on for now20:22
ShamailSafe travels cloudrancher20:22
barrettLet's talk about User Stories20:22
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barrettfrom our mid-cycle, we recruited/assigned for most, but think we may need some more resources20:23
barrettThe 1st one is Lifecycle Management20:24
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barrettI think we need to bring another resource or 2 to this team to make sure we're on track for Mitaka design summit20:24
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Shamailbarrett: +120:24
barrettAny folks have some cycles for this?20:24
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barrettIf we can't resource the User Story, then we'll depriortize it for this cycle20:26
barrettWe can shift resources, but don't want to disrupt existing teams20:27
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barrettThere's some connection between OnBoarding and Lifecycle Management....20:28
cloudrancherI'll shift to IRC20:29
barrettThe next one is Capacity/Quota Management20:29
barrettAnyone interested in leading this?20:29
cloudrancherThe relationship is that managing/unmanaging can be used in upgrades to unmanage VMs from the old release and then onboard(manage) to the new release20:30
DericHorn-HPNot leading, but there is interest in participating from some colleages at HP20:30
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barrettOK - I'll float this out on the ML with notes from today's meeting. If there are no volunteers, then I think we need to put these user stories below the line.20:30
barrett#action Carol to send out meeting notes to ML and ask for volunteers20:31
Shamailthanks barrett20:31
barrett#topic User Story Team Updates20:31
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barrettKenny's update for Upgrades: He's synching with the Rolling Upgrades work in the Enterprise WG20:32
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barrettStarting on Gap analysis, resource commit and blueprint drafting20:32
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barrettWe're 6 week from the Design Summit, I think we need BPs in no more than 4 weeks20:33
barrettWho has resources that are planning to work on Upgrades that can work with Kenny?20:34
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barrettOnBoard Apps User Story: Deric Update: Team meeting last week, started drafting BPs. Next Step is to review with developers20:36
barrettOnce they get feedback on them, they will figure out the next steps20:36
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ShamailI have to drop off, apologies.  I will review the notes!20:38
ShamailTake care.20:38
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barrettFor Feedback: Pls join the Cattle & Pets team meeting from the Enterprise WG20:38
barrett#action: Forward meeting invite to Deric and Jay20:38
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barrett#topic Timeline Review20:40
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cloudrancherOnboarding - We have skeleton blueprint being circulated in the team20:40
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barrettRoadmap Update; Need to complete the PTL discussions by 9/1820:40
cloudrancherwant to intelock with cattle and pets team tomorrow20:41
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barrettUser Stories: Need to have blueprints drafted for community review/disussion by 10/220:41
barrettRoadmap Session in Tokyo: Draft of Content buy 10/9 and final 10/2320:42
barrettProduct WG methodology and how to get involved session: Draft of Content buy 10/9 and final 10/2320:43
barrettShamail: Is that the right name?20:43
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barrettLots to get done!!20:44
barrettAny questions on this? Ideas on how work through the deliverables?20:44
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cloudrancherI would suggest that we publish meeting time a couple of days in advance20:45
barrettWe have light attendance on this call - we need to recruit more active contributors to this WG.20:45
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barrettWe can take a 2 prong attack: Get more resources from the participating companies; Get new companies providing resources!20:47
SheenaGbarrett: I'm trying to corral more of my teammates, I'll be happy to send them notes from this meeting to solicit more involvement20:47
cloudrancherarea for improvement - earlier notice and calendar invist20:47
barrett#action: Carol to sendout calendar meeting notice; and meeting agendas/reminders earlier.20:47
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kencjohn_SheenaG +1, I'll do the same at Rackspace20:47
SheenaGbarrett: I have 3 folks who have volunteered to attend Tokyo PWG/Ops sessions, so they might be able to help in the prep20:47
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cloudrancherBarrett +120:48
barrettSheenaG: That would be great!! Can you bring them into the Roadmap meeting on Thursday?20:48
barrettAny other thoughts/Suggestions on this?20:48
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barrett#topic Opens20:48
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cloudrancherNothing for me20:49
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barrettAnyone have anything to pass along to the team? OpenStack updates or happenings?20:49
pchadwicknothing from me20:49
barrettIs everyone on the call/irc planning to be in Tokyo?20:49
MeganRNot certain20:50
SheenaGI will not be there :-(20:50
SheenaGBut you guys will likely get my boss, which is like...a better, balder version of me20:50
kencjohn_hughhalf - from Rackspace will also be there20:50
barrettPretty good set of folks! Hope you can make it Megan! Sheena- We will miss you!20:50
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barrettkencjohn +120:50
cloudrancherSheenaG - Better /= balder20:50
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barrettIf there's nothing else for us to cover, let's wrap-up20:51
MeganRThank you!20:51
cloudranchernight night!20:51
stephenwalliThanks, Barol20:51
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salv-orl_aloha clowns20:58
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* mestery drives the clown car over here for the Neutron meeting20:58
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xgerman\me waves20:59
emaganaand hi btw.20:59
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mestery#startmeeting networking21:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep 14 21:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:00
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mestery#link Agenda21:00
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mesteryWe've got a mostly liberty-rc1 focused agenda for today, so lets get started!21:00
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mestery#topic Announcements21:00
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mestery#link Liberty Release Notes21:00
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mestery#info Please continue adding high quality release notes to the release notes page21:01
mesteryMy thanks to those of you who have already plastered stuff on that page! Way to go!21:01
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mestery#info The Tempest plugin interface is now ready!21:01
emaganamestery: is there a plan to move release notes into openstack-manuals?21:01
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mestery#link An example change using this21:01
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mestery#link Documentation for Tempest plugin21:01
mesteryemagana: I don't think so, those stay on the wiki page per past releases21:02
emaganamestery: should we move them?21:02
ajohi :)21:02
emaganamestery: correction.. copy them21:02
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mesteryemagana: Copying them is fine, but I'd wait a bit, we still have more to add21:02
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emaganamestery: roger that!21:02
mestery#link PTL Elections have begun!21:03
mestery#info I encourage anyone interested in running for Neutron PTL to throw their hat into the ring!21:03
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mesteryWe have a deep bench of leadership21:03
mesteryThe next PTL is gonna be awesome :)21:03
mesteryAny other announcements for the team?21:03
kevinbentonmestery: i was confused about your candidacy email. it made it sound like you weren't going to run21:03
mesterykevinbenton: lol21:03
russellbkevinbenton: lol21:03
ajokevinbenton lol21:03
* Sukhdev salutes to outgoing PTL for awesome job he has done21:04
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mesteryAlso note: You can nominate someone else, that person has to +1 the nomination21:04
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russellbmestery: thanks for everything, mestery!  You've left the project in great shape21:04
mesterySukhdev: thanks :)21:04
ajoyes, you have21:04
emaganarussellb: +121:04
bloganhear hear21:04
mesteryrussellb: I'm just doing the final walkthrough before turning the keys over :)21:04
salv-orl_kevinbenton: I think there is a bylaw for which if nobody runs the old PTL stays in charge indefinetely until one is found21:04
rossella_syes indeed! thanks Kyle, Neutron community is so much better now21:04
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mesterysalv-orl_: Wait, no one told me that!21:05
ajosalv-orl_: lol :)21:05
mesteryAny other announcements for the team?21:05
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russellbin all seriousness, if nobody runs, it falls to the TC to find and designate someone21:05
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russellbnot that i expect that to happen here ...21:05
russellbi think people are just holding off to build up suspense21:05
Sam-I-Amlooks like mike perez is freeing himself up :)21:05
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mesteryrussellb: As the outgoing PTL, I'd be happy to provide a list of names to the TC should that happen :)21:06
mesteryThanks carl_baldwin21:06
Sam-I-Ammestery: carl first?21:06
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russellbmestery: the appointee has to agree though :(21:06
mesterySam-I-Am: Please, nominate carl_baldwin! Anyone can nominate anyone else21:06
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mesteryrussellb: That's no fun :(21:06
mlavalleSam-I-Am: ++21:06
Sam-I-Ammestery: he's sitting next to me21:06
Sam-I-Ami'm waiting to get punched21:06
mesterySam-I-Am: lol21:07
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SukhdevSam-I-Am :-)21:07
mesterySeriously folks, we have many great leaders in our community! I know we'll support whoever becomes the next PTL and Neutron will continue to rock!21:07
mesteryLets move along now :)21:07
mestery#topic Bugs21:07
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mesteryI know ... BUGS :(21:07
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ajodamn bugs :)21:07
mesteryFirst up21:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1484148 in neutron "neutronclient gate broken following VPNaaS infra changes" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Paul Michali (pcm)21:07
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armaxbugs: the life of this community21:07
mesterypc_m: Looks like this one is under control?21:08
mesteryarmax: lifeblood!21:08
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pc_mmestery: yes. Just need reviews.21:08
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mesterypc_m: I voted positively on your infra review21:08
mesteryLooks like you need that one first21:08
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pc_mDoesn't need to be critical, as there is a workaround (disabled tests)21:08
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mesterypc_m: OK, bumping down! :)21:08
pc_mmestery: yes. thanks21:08
mesteryNext up21:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1477192 in neutron "neutron test_multi_prefix_slaac failing in the gate with ping failures starting around 7/22" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Henry Gessau (gessau)21:09
HenryGI took an initiall look21:09
mesteryHenryG: Thanks for correcting me on there :)21:09
mesteryHenryG: I don't know if this one deservers to be high based on your input. Thoughts?21:09
HenryGIt's not as bad as the query lets on21:09
mesteryMaybe it's medium?21:09
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HenryGBut there is a problem in there somewhere, that needs looking at21:09
mesteryHenryG: Thanks!21:09
mesteryMoving on21:10
* mestery nods21:10
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1439696 in neutron "Referencing a lb-healthmonitor ID for the first time from Heat would fail" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Doug Wiegley (dougwig)21:10
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mesterydougwig: I'm not sure this deserves to be high, do you agree?21:10
mesterydougwig: It's been sitting here for a while now21:10
mesteryxgerman: Sold!21:10
Sam-I-Amdoug says it doesnt need t be high21:11
mesterydougwig is predisposed at the QA midcycle now, so lets move along21:11
Sam-I-Amhe's standing here21:11
mesterySam-I-Am: Thanks!21:11
Sam-I-Amshould be joining shortly21:11
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mesterySam-I-Am: Tell him he's up for this one too21:11
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1163569 in neutron "security groups don't work with vip and ovs plugin" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Doug Wiegley (dougwig)21:11
mesteryThis one has a security note attached which lifeless was curious to have someone from Neutron look at.21:11
mesteryHoping dougwig can verify this yet21:11
kevinbentonthat bug is older than i am21:11
xgermansc68cal ?21:11
kevinbentoni don't understand how it's been sitting there that long21:11
mesterykevinbenton: To be fair, you're like 14, right?21:12
dougwigwe havent looked yet.  bad devs, no biscuit.21:12
xgermansc68cal SH is our wheelouse21:12
mesterydougwig: Can you eyeball this one closer this week yet when you get a moment?21:12
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mesteryxgerman: Yes, sc68cal looking would be great too21:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1163569 in neutron "security groups don't work with vip and ovs plugin" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Doug Wiegley (dougwig)21:12
dougwigmestery: yes, hopefully i can delegate that eyeball, but yes.21:12
* sc68cal adds to his trello21:13
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mesteryOK, moving on21:13
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1491131 in neutron kilo "Ipset race condition" [High,New]21:13
mesteryThis one was reported by an actual operator!21:13
Sam-I-Amwe have those?21:13
mesteryLooks like ZZelle__ assigned it to himself21:13
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ZZelle__mestery, yes, that's my tomorrow job21:14
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ajoyikes, I forgot to follow up21:14
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ajoI see shihanzhang came with a few patches that can be backported to kilo21:14
mesteryajo: :)21:14
mesteryajo: Excellent!21:14
mesteryajo: Can you propose those ones if they aren't already proposed?21:14
ajoI didn't see ocurrences of what the operator saw in logstash21:14
ajobut that doesn't mean it's not in kilo21:14
ajomestery: I will21:15
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mesteryajo: AWesome sir, thanks :)21:15
mesteryDoes anyone have any bugs for the team to talk about this week?21:15
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armaxmestery: well21:15
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armaxwe should inform the group that DVR job went back to non-voting21:15
* mestery straps in for the armax bug assault21:15
armaxSwami: ^^21:16
mestery#info the DVR job is non-voting again :(21:16
mesteryarmax: tl;dr for the team?21:16
Sam-I-Amthere's an email going around21:16
Sam-I-Amsc68cal: ^21:16
armaxcarl_baldwin, dougwig, sc68cal and ryan would tell you more21:16
sc68calyep, sent it about 30 mins ago for people to review21:16
mesterysc68cal: ^^^21:16
armaxthey were the ones charging the coup21:16
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dougwigoff with its head.21:16
Sam-I-Amis this all dvr jobs or just dvr-multi?21:17
Swamiarmax: hi21:17
dougwigmore seriously, we have some work to do, as a team, to make sure our jobs are stable.  and since dvr has merged, it is our responsibility. if we don't want that, it needs to be out.21:17
pc_m#info VPN functional tests for Neutron commits is upstreamed as experimental job21:17
mesterydougwig: Spoken like a true PTL! :)21:17
ajoI'm cleaning up the QoS house with this:,  but you will see me pushing for a refactor just in front, to avoid fixing the same thing twice in different qos drivers..21:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1486039 in neutron "Setting a policy to a network will limit the router/dhcp/net-device ports, that's not expected" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Angel Ajo (mangelajo)21:17
mesteryajo: Ack21:17
ajoI know is a bit late in the cycle to be doing refactors, but I guess QoS is experimental, and not a bad thing to cleanup asap21:18
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mesteryajo: +1000.521:18
mesteryAny other bugs for the team?21:18
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mesteryarmax: You have another few up your sleeve today?21:18
ZZelle__Do we need such feature in Liberty?
armaxdougwig: yes, that applies to any job, dvr, functional, api, etc21:18
Sam-I-Amnice to see a lot of linuxbridge stuff has been addressed21:18
armaxmestery: no I am good21:18
Sam-I-Ami'm currently reworking the install guide to use it21:19
mesteryarmax: ack21:19
armaxI did my bug scrub during the past few days21:19
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mesteryZZelle__: I'm on the fence there, lets iterate on the review for that one21:19
armaxI am content21:19
mesteryarmax: That's because you're awesome.21:19
ajoZZelle__, what's the thing, which bridges don't we clean now?21:19
russellbSam-I-Am: LB with provider networks?21:19
russellb(the install guide i mean)21:19
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ZZelle__mestery, ok21:19
Sam-I-Amrussellb: yes, and augmenting that arch to do l3 things21:20
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russellbSam-I-Am: cool21:20
mesteryOK, lets slide along into the next section ..21:20
Sam-I-Amwill talk about it more in a bit here21:20
mestery#topic Docs21:20
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mesteryemagana: hi there!21:20
mesterySam-I-Am: Also, hi there21:20
emaganamestery: Hi!21:20
Sam-I-Amyeah... like here :)21:20
mesterySam-I-Am: You see what I did there?21:20
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emaganaAll the open reviews for IPv6 have been completed. Thanks!21:20
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ZZelle__ajo, see
openstackLaunchpad bug 1328546 in neutron "Race condition when hard rebooting instance" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Li Ma (nick-ma-z)21:21
Sam-I-Amwhats ipv6?21:21
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emaganaWorking on the sub-chapter for QoS hoping to get a lot of help from ajo21:21
ajoyes emagana , thanks, that will help a lot,21:21
Sam-I-Amdocs are good21:21
mesteryawesome! Thanks emagana and ajo!21:21
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ajoemagana, just fighting the last life of qos bugs to jump into it,21:21
emaganaajo: I will get more staff between today and tomorrow.. wait for my next patch21:22
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emaganamestery: I will review the release notes and make sure we have some coverage in the networking guide21:22
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emaganaSam-I-Am and sc68cal Do you guys want to add something?21:23
mesteryemagana: Awesome! In particular, RBAC networks, QoS and pluggable IPAM are probably worthy of documentation notes21:23
Sam-I-Amemagana: yeah21:23
mesterycarl_baldwin kevinbenton ajo: ^^^21:23
emaganaSam-I-Am: go for it!21:23
ajo+1 :)21:23
Sam-I-Ami'm working on the installation guide changes to make linuxbridge go in liberty21:23
mesterySam-I-Am: nice nice nice!21:23
sc68caladvanced services need docs in the networking guide21:23
Sam-I-Amhere's the plan...21:23
sc68cal*cough* fwaas ;)21:23
mesterysc68cal: I'm going to add a release note there21:24
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Sam-I-Amthere's only one architecture... two nodes, two network interfaces per node21:24
mesteryindicating we're rebooting it and will remove the existing API in Mitaka21:24
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mesteryThat sound right?21:24
mesteryxgerman sc68cal : ^^^^21:24
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Sam-I-Amthis way no one has to choose a particular arch based on hardware limitations21:24
Sam-I-Amwe start people out with provider networks, then optionally let them add L3 support21:24
Sam-I-Amif they have L3 support, they can use both provider and project networks21:24
Sam-I-Amthis also solves the common gripe of 'why cant i launch a vm on the ext/public net' when they used the neutron arch21:25
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Sam-I-Amnow it supports both... with less hardware21:25
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Sam-I-Ami've tested the new arch and it works21:26
ajocool :)21:26
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Sam-I-Amhopefully we can get the patches written and merged in a couple of weeks21:26
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kevinbentonSam-I-Am: i'm not following21:26
Sam-I-Amkevinbenton: que?21:26
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: what patches? neutron should have supported this for a long time21:26
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Sam-I-Amkevinbenton: docs patches21:27
Sam-I-Amupstream install guide21:27
Sam-I-Amneutron is fine :)21:27
kevinbentonSam-I-Am: oh, i see21:27
* mestery quotes Sam-I-Am 21:27
ajo:) lol21:27
Sam-I-Am* for various kinds of neutron21:27
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Sam-I-Amwe will point users of the install guide to the networking guide for more details21:28
mesterySam-I-Am: ++21:28
Sam-I-Amrather, more production-worthy archs21:28
Sam-I-Amnow that we have it21:28
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mesterySam-I-Am: That's a good goal, thanks for that!21:28
mesteryLooks like lots of awesome work going on the docs area. Thanks emagana and Sam-I-Am!21:28
* russellb is very thankful for folks working on docs :)21:29
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mesteryrussellb: +1000.521:29
Sam-I-Amsure thing21:29
Sam-I-Amgetting there...21:29
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emagananothing else from me!!21:29
mesteryOK, lets move along to the meat of the meeting.21:29
mestery#topic Liberty-RC121:29
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mesteryLets see where we're at21:30
mesteryBPs: 5 down, 7 to go21:30
mestery#info Blueprints: 5 down, 7 to go21:30
mesteryNot bad21:30
mesteryFirst up21:30
mesteryxgerman: This is on track yet for this week?21:30
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dougwigoctavia as ref is done, just needs to be enabled in our devstack plugin.21:30
xgermanone patch missing, some bugs21:30
mesteryMOAR LBAAS!21:30
mesteryThat was easy. Thanks dougwig and xgerman21:30
mesteryNext up21:31
dougwigall props to the octavia folks.21:31
mesterykevinbenton: MOAR PECAN!21:31
kevinbentonpatch for bulk up late tonight/early tomorrow21:31
kevinbentonthen merge21:31
mesteryI think this one can land this week once kevinbenton completes MOAR BULK support21:31
mesterykevinbenton: Thank you!21:31
mesteryNext up21:31
mesterymlavalle: This one needs a respin and then maybe it's good?21:31
mesteryI know carl_baldwin has been following it very closely21:31
* carl_baldwin needs to check up on it.21:32
mesterycarl_baldwin: I think it's a small patch which mlavalle is addressing a few final nits21:32
mlavallemestery: ok, will do21:32
mesterymlavalle: Awesome!21:32
mesteryOur first possibly contentious BP21:32
armaxI had a pass21:33
hichiharaarmax: Can you review again?21:33
mesteryrussellb armax: I know you two had looked at this one21:33
armaxhichihara: will do21:33
mesteryThanks armax!21:33
mesteryarmax: Early thoughts?21:33
mesteryWhat shape is it in?21:33
armaxit needed some work when I looked at it21:33
* russellb thought he might review at night last week, but never had the energy21:33
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russellbi was traveling all week21:33
armaxamotoki also looked at it21:33
mesteryno worries russellb21:33
mesteryarmax: Cool!21:33
mesteryOK, lets leave it targeted at this point.21:33
russellbi did look today and it seemed like there was more coming?21:33
mesteryWe've still got another week until potential RCs are cut21:34
armaxwe’ll look at it again…but I got nervous when I looked at it21:34
markmcclainmestery: I've also looked at it too21:34
markmcclainarmax: ++21:34
mesteryThanks markmcclain, looks like this one has plenty of coverage :)21:34
russellbhow bad would it be if it missed?21:34
ajo1I will try to run a pass too21:34
hichiharaThanks folks21:34
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* mestery notices the hogpile happening21:34
kevinbentonrussellb: neutron would be cancelled21:34
russellbkevinbenton: oh ok21:34
mesteryPlease folks, save some energy for ...21:34
mesteryVLAN aware VMs21:34
mesteryThat's right21:34
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mlavallemestery: can we revisit #link
russellbjust feels like the point where we look for things to say no to instead of doing anything risky this late21:35
mesteryrussellb: ++21:35
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mesterymlavalle: We can indeed! What is your case for that one?21:35
kevinbentonmestery: doesn't vlan-aware VMs require a nova change?21:35
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markmcclainrussellb: ++21:35
russellbavail zones is pretty invasive21:35
russellbso i'd be inclined to bump it ... and i apologize for not reviewing faster21:35
mesterykevinbenton: Yes, but even outside that, my gut says no at this point21:35
mesteryrussellb: ++21:36
mlavallemestery: functionality is veru advanced. Problem is the gate.... we need neutron with designate to be able to approve it21:36
mesteryarmax: Thoughts on bumping avail zones?21:36
salv-orl_I've never been a great fan of that avail zones work21:36
mesterymlavalle: Yikes21:36
mesterymlavalle: This late in the cycle?21:36
salv-orl_so yes, if my opinion is worth anything that's something I'd bump21:36
armaxit depends how the suggestions have been addressed21:36
mesterythe case against avail zones is building ...21:36
kevinbentonmestery: well if it needs nova changes then there is completely no point in merging21:36
mlavallemestery: I am working with Kiall, the designate ptl to get that fixed21:36
mesterykevinbenton: Aye aye captain, it's out!21:36
russellbi don't think it needs nova changes21:36
armaxmestery: if work had been done not so invasively merging it now wouldn’t be a problem21:36
russellbbut how far along is it?21:36
russellbactually ready?21:36
armaxneed to see how the author addressed my comments21:37
mesteryrussellb: Patches were propsed 3 weeks ago ...21:37
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mesteryarmax: Sounds like you're not in favor either21:37
russellbit doesn't need nova changes if you just create the ports in advance and pass the trunk port to nova (in theory)21:37
russellbbut i haven't looked at hte latest code :)21:37
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russellbif it's not implemented that way, i'd -121:37
armaxI haven’t looked the new patchsets21:37
mlavallemestery: can I ping you Wednesday or Thursday to see how much progress we get this week?21:37
armaxbut the entire code was proposed21:37
mesterymlavalle: Lets do it! I'll eave it there for now21:37
mlavallemestery: :-)21:37
salv-orl_my 2p is that they way they're built currently, they're not going to be useful for operators.21:37
mesterysalv-orl_: vlan trunk ports?21:38
salv-orl_sorry I was still talking about av zones21:38
russellbthey are all set workflow -121:38
salv-orl_did not noticed you moved one21:38
mesteryrussellb: That seals it then21:38
russellbyeah we're talking about 3 at once i think21:38
mestery#info VLAN aware VMs is out of Liberty21:38
* salv-orl_ a wave rage awaits mestery21:39
russellbto be clear, i'm a fan of that feature though21:39
russellbjust seems too late21:39
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kevinbentonrussellb: yes21:39
ajorussellb: +121:39
emaganarussellb: Well, we have our first pririty for M21:39
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armaxwe are always fun of features, it’s the code we’re not so fond of21:39
ajoemagana: that makes sense :)21:39
mesteryOn to avail zones now ...21:39
mesteryThat one also out?21:40
russellbarmax: :)21:40
mesterySeemed like the team was headed that way21:40
russellbif it was just waiting on getting through the gate or something, that'd be one thing21:40
markmcclainI think delaying makes sense21:40
armaxas dougwig pointed out, the onus is on the team to bear the cost21:40
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mesteryarmax: Words to live by21:40
russellbit's invasive, and it's RC1 time21:40
russellbi'd bump it21:40
armaxI have that tatooed on my right arm21:40
salv-orl_bump looks good for me21:41
armaxthe whole phrase21:41
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kevinbentonarmax: "i'd bump it"?21:41
russellband again, i think the feature is OK ... but don't see a need to rush it21:41
armaxkevinbenton: yes, that one21:41
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mesteryIt's out21:41
mesteryNext up21:41
mesteryI added this one back in today21:41
mesteryBecause it was approved and slipped the cracks21:41
mesteryBut the lone Neutron patch out for review21:42
mesteryindicates it only partially implements21:42
mesteryso ....21:42
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armaxmestery: there’s no code posted for it21:42
mesteryarmax: And
armaxwell…there’s no sane code posted for it21:42
mesteryarmax: Taht may be tru21:43
russellbpartially-implements ?21:43
mesteryI know21:43
mesteryrussellb: My concern as well :(21:43
HenryGI think we should talk more with the api-wg first21:43
mesteryThus my question in the review21:43
russellbHenryG: ++21:43
mesteryHenryG: We have salv-orl_ for that21:43
russellbis it missing the changes-since filter?21:43
armaxbtw there’s work that kevinbenton is doing to make these sorts of additions easier21:43
armaxso I think it’s safe to say this should be deferred21:43
russellbthat was a key part of that IIRC21:43
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mesteryarmax: Awesome sir21:43
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* mestery moves it out21:43
armaxkevinbenton: ^21:43
salv-orl_russellb: indeed21:44
russellbi actually kind of hated these attributes in the nova API21:44
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russellbbut it was largely due to implementation details21:44
russellbdoesn't look complete21:44
salv-orl_current impl is concerned to make timestamp work, which is ok21:44
salv-orl_but does not worry about the overall openstack api consumer experience21:44
russellbyeah but their use case specifically was that + ability to do changes_since filtering21:44
mesteryOur last one21:45
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mesterydougwig xgerman: Status update?21:45
salv-orl_definetely not critcial feature, so I have all the time to bring that up with the rest of the api-wg21:45
xgermancode is all submitted21:45
russellbsalv-orl_: cool, definitely something worth trying to make sure is consistent where possible21:45
salv-orl_mestery: I see only one patch on the lp whiteboard and it;'s merged21:45
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mesterysalv-orl_: For which spec?21:46
salv-orl_ah found th eother patch(es)21:46
mesterysalv-orl_: got it21:46
mesteryport timestamp right?21:46
xgermanneed to update the whiteboard then21:46
russellbkevinbenton: you go wash that dirty mouth out with soap, young man21:46
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kevinbentonwith the timstamp work deferred, i wonder if we should improve on it and just have a change log for resources21:47
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xgermanupdated the whiteboard...21:47
salv-orl_xgerman: other patches are in "work items". Topics do mot match that's why they are not in the wb21:47
mesterykevinbenton: Seems like a nice idea21:47
ajokevinbenton: changelogs on busy DBs tend to grow huge tables21:48
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salv-orl_kevinbenton: if there is a use for it that's ok, otherwise let's not bother with stuff that can grow indefinetely in size.21:48
ajokevinbenton: do you mean keeping a change log of what changed on every resource?21:48
salv-orl_think about the changelog for the default external network21:48
kevinbentonajo: right21:49
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mesteryThat was the last one21:49
ajokevinbenton, I don't mean I'm against it, if there are interesting use cases, let's just consider the risks :)21:50
mesteryWe're down to 4 left21:50
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mesterySo I encourage folks to review code for those BPs this week21:50
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kevinbentonsalv-orl_: well that wouldn't have many changes21:50
salv-orl_anyway: flavor framework. The api change by itself is not disruptive, so it's ok. It might not be the best way of doing it, but since we don't know we shiuld just go ahead and experiment with it rather than bikeshedding21:50
* mestery notes there are 2 items left on the agenda21:50
ajosalv-orl_: +121:50
salv-orl_kevinbenton: I know you would have said that. You want to carry me in a rabbit hole. I might say then floating IP21:50
xgermansalv-orl_ +121:50
salv-orl_but then you would argue that the change log are in the port associated with it21:50
kevinbentonsalv-orl_: right :)21:51
mesterymoving along21:51
mesteryAnd this will be quick21:51
salv-orl_kevinbenton: go for it then. It's awesome.21:51
mestery#topic Mitaka Design Summit21:51
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ajomestery: we like quick21:51
mesteryPlease keep proposing fun ideas to discuss in Tokyo there21:51
mesteryThe next PTL will handle scheduling the sessions (yay!) :)21:51
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armaxyou’re ptl until the week of the 24th21:52
armaxget to work21:52
mesteryarmax: That long?21:52
hichiharaWhen must we do by?21:52
mlavallearmax: +++21:52
armaxleave a lasting legacy21:52
mesteryhichihara: I can't speak for the next PTL, but if it was up to me, sooner is beter than later :)21:52
armaxand since you bailed the week of feature freeze21:52
neiljerram_bbDoes anyone try to add structure or organisation to all those ideas?21:52
armaxthat’s the least you could do for the next ptl21:52
mesteryarmax: Are you saying I owe the next PTL a week of time?21:52
mesteryneiljerram_bb: Yes21:52
mesterythe PTL does :)21:52
armaxmestery: yes21:52
mesteryIn general, the PTL and drivers team schedules the summit sessions21:52
mesteryAnd tries hard to make sure we address the less sexy ideas which are important for the community21:53
mesteryWe'll have a bunch of those as well21:53
neiljerram_bbLucky new PTL!21:53
salv-orl_neiljerram_bb: anarchy and chaos are the main drivers for our team. Structure and organization are two unknown values to us ;)21:53
russellbcan we have a "neutron users stories / priorities" session again?21:53
russellbwhere people show up and scream at the room?21:53
mesteryrussellb: YES!21:53
mesteryAlso, lightning talks again21:53
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mesteryDo people like those still?21:53
mesterySeemed like they did21:53
neiljerram_bbsalv - thx, will adjust my paradigms21:54
russellbbecause i loved that21:54
mesteryLets move along21:54
mesteryKeep submitting21:54
mesteryWe'll keep reviewing21:54
mesteryAnd planning21:54
mesteryFor screaming21:54
kevinbentonMILLIONS OF DOLLARS!21:54
mesterykevinbenton: daring21:54
emaganasc68cal: +1operators meet-up and all we heard was crickets!21:54
mestery#topic DefCore Update21:54
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mesteryhogepodge: you're up!21:54
mestery5 minutes left even!21:54
hogepodgenot so much a defcore thing, but on the openstack compatible logo21:55
dougwighe's typing.21:55
mesterydougwig: lol21:55
Sam-I-Amhogepodge: you need a louder keyboard21:55
sc68calemagana: that's good right?21:55
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hogepodgewe'd like to ask vendors to test their compatible products, based on how projects define that testing21:55
emaganasc68cal: indeed!21:55
hogepodgeso, would reviving some third party ci in neutron be a thing that could happen in 2016?21:55
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neiljerram_bbIs that not already a thing?21:56
mesteryhogepodge: It could, it needs a leader21:56
hogepodgeIt's a larger topic, but I wanted to throw it out there for a possible future agenda.21:56
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salv-orl_hogepodge: the 3rd party CIs never died. They just mind their own business21:56
salv-orl_but they're there21:56
mesteryhogepodge: In Vancouver the team determined 3rd party CI didn't have a ton of value, but perhaps that opinion has changed21:57
dougwigthey don't follow a uniform testing standard really, which is what this implies.21:57
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mesterydougwig: Right21:57
mesteryThe problem with that21:57
mesteryis someone has to enforce it21:57
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mesteryAnd that job of enforcing21:57
mesteryREally bad21:57
salv-orl_mestery: to be fair we said that reporting from 3rd party CI does not have value21:57
mesterySo unless someone steps upo21:57
hogepodgeyeah, it would need to be uniform. Similar to what cinder is doing.21:57
salv-orl_and policing is a PITA21:57
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hogepodgemestery: that's what I keep hearing.21:57
russellbi don't think it was that it didn't have value21:57
mesteryUnless someone steps up to enforce it and run it21:57
mesteryIt's not gonna work21:57
russellbit was more thatn enforcing rules around it wasn't worth it21:57
mesteryemagana and I tried and it was a full time job21:58
salv-orl_but if you run a plugin or a driver, 3rd party CI is surely valuable for you21:58
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mesterySo not trying to scare folks21:58
mesteryBut being honest here21:58
hogepodgeso can I have time next week to make rough outline and also gather info? (say from salv-orl_)21:58
russellband that it was up to the driver maintainers to decide how valuable it was to them, for the quality they wanted to achieve21:58
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mesteryhogepodge: Yes21:58
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hogepodgemestery: honesty is what I want. Scary or not. I prefer scary.21:58
* salv-orl_ so scared now21:58
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hogepodgeto sugarcoated21:58
* mestery trembles21:58
mesteryhogepodge: It's worth trying again21:58
mesteryFor sure21:58
mesteryThanks hogepodge!21:59
hogepodgeThanks for letting me ci bomb your meeting. :-D21:59
mesteryI look forawrd to move discussions here :)21:59
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mesteryOK, lets focus on Liberty-rc1 now!21:59
mesteryNot much time left :)21:59
mesteryThanks folks!21:59
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emaganaciao ciao21:59
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