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| dhellmann | ttx: o/ | 12:30 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting releaseteam | 12:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 14 12:30:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 12:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 12:30 |
| ttx | Agenda @ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle_Management#Agenda | 12:30 |
| ttx | #topic Liberty release coordination | 12:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty release coordination (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 12:31 | |
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| ttx | I actually refactored a number of etherpads into a single plan at: | 12:31 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-final-release | 12:31 |
| ttx | so we are at R-4 | 12:31 |
| dhellmann | nice | 12:31 |
| ttx | On the requirements side, we should have completed the work on constraint bumping | 12:31 |
| ttx | not sure where we stand on that | 12:32 |
| ttx | I suspect it's linked to the libraries stuff | 12:32 |
| ttx | i.e. can't bump until we did the last relkeases | 12:32 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think we have a couple of other libraries to release | 12:32 |
| ttx | I'll put in bold where we are late | 12:32 |
| dhellmann | troveclient, glanceclient | 12:32 |
| ttx | All oslo libs are done now ? | 12:33 |
| ttx | ("done" as in we can branch from the last release) | 12:33 |
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| dimsum__ | ttx: yes | 12:33 |
| * dhellmann types slower than dimsum__ this morning | 12:33 | |
| dimsum__ | :) | 12:33 |
| dimsum__ | i am still in the weekend mode too dhellmann :) | 12:34 |
| ttx | I add bold to the steps we need to complete this week | 12:34 |
| ttx | So we should cut stable branches for Oslo, make the last client rteleases and constraint bumps, thyen branch the client libs too | 12:34 |
| dhellmann | ok | 12:35 |
| dimsum__ | sounds good! | 12:35 |
| ttx | I type fast but don't stop to correct my typos | 12:35 |
| dhellmann | I'll start working on the releases as soon as the crew is here and working in the basement | 12:35 |
| ttx | OK, on the cycle-with-milestones front... | 12:35 |
| dhellmann | dimsum__: do you have permissions to create branches, or should I go ahead and do those? | 12:35 |
| ttx | we need to engage with the various project teams and check that they purged their FFEs | 12:35 |
| dimsum__ | dhellmann: i don't have permissions | 12:35 |
| ttx | and that they are making progress toward their RC1s | 12:35 |
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| ttx | We also need to get them to converge on constraints (i.e. import the requirement bot proposed changes) once we have all the libs nailed | 12:37 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: by purge you mean that the rc milestone is accurate, not empty, right? | 12:37 |
| ttx | by purge I mean, they should no longer have FFEs by now | 12:37 |
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| ttx | they should have completed the associated features | 12:38 |
| dhellmann | ack | 12:38 |
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| dhellmann | so nothing open | 12:38 |
| ttx | OK, I un-bolded the things that are blocked | 12:39 |
| ttx | Let's put names on each of those bold lines | 12:39 |
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| ttx | Cool, once you're done with libs we can work on the bump/converge constraints R-4 tasks | 12:40 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: when do you expect to complete the libs releases ? Tomorrow ? | 12:40 |
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| dhellmann | I'll send email announcing the need for final client releases and that we'll create the branches later in the week | 12:40 |
| dhellmann | there are just 2 up for review now, and I can do the releases today | 12:41 |
| ttx | ok | 12:41 |
| ttx | OK, questions on that plan ? | 12:41 |
| ttx | Things missing ? | 12:41 |
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| dhellmann | I could start branching oslo and the clients we've done recently today/tomorrow | 12:41 |
| dhellmann | I think it's clear | 12:41 |
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| ttx | right, then we can work on clast contrainst bump and start merging the resulting updates at the end of the week | 12:42 |
| ttx | I may have skipped an important step, so if you think of anything let me know | 12:42 |
| ttx | One interesting thing I notices with -intermediary things is that there is no real moment when do merge the translations | 12:42 |
| ttx | to* | 12:43 |
| ttx | If you follow johnthetubaguy's StringFreeze approach, we do have to do a RC2 to merge the translations, one week after RC1 | 12:43 |
| dhellmann | translations can be patch releases, no? | 12:43 |
| ttx | which is basically what we did in the past | 12:43 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes | 12:43 |
| ttx | it's just that the process doesn't enforce those at all (in fact we never did that for Swift) | 12:44 |
| ttx | there is a RC release, and most of the time it's the final, no "translations merge point release" after that | 12:44 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 12:44 |
| dhellmann | we should talk to the translation team about that and see what we can do | 12:44 |
| ttx | just food for thoughts, how to integrate translations in the "intermediary" model. | 12:45 |
| amotoki | RC2 for translation is the approach we did in horizon. | 12:45 |
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| ttx | right, it's what we do for every "milestone-based" project | 12:46 |
| amotoki | intermediary model has not discussed in i18n team either. | 12:46 |
| amotoki | *been discussed | 12:46 |
| ttx | ok, moving on | 12:46 |
| ttx | #topic Publicize docs.o.o/releases | 12:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Publicize docs.o.o/releases (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 12:46 | |
| ttx | dhellmann: I think it's ready to get some publicity now | 12:47 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll send email about that today | 12:47 |
| ttx | since that will be our main way of associating numbers with cycles | 12:47 |
| dhellmann | -dev or -announce? | 12:47 |
| ttx | Hmm... -announce maybe | 12:47 |
| ttx | most devs know how to read tags | 12:47 |
| dhellmann | k | 12:47 |
| ttx | We can point to it at the cross-project meeting | 12:48 |
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| dhellmann | sounds good | 12:48 |
| ttx | questions on that topic ? | 12:48 |
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| dhellmann | if you have anything in particular you want in that message, let me know, otherwise I'll write something up on my own | 12:48 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: nothing special -- something like "with the new model it's more difficult to find which version maps to what cycle, so we provided a translation table (website) and YAML data (repo)" | 12:50 |
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| dhellmann | that's more or less what I was going to say | 12:50 |
| ttx | you can point to my blogpost about new versioning | 12:50 |
| ttx | for those who missed that epidsode | 12:50 |
| ttx | http://ttx.re/new-versioning.html | 12:50 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 12:50 |
| ttx | #topic Release model tags mass approval | 12:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release model tags mass approval (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 12:51 | |
| ttx | hmm, looks for link | 12:51 |
| * dhellmann hopes this means his list of open reviews is going to shrink soon | 12:51 | |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/governance+topic:%255Erelease-tags/.*,n,z | 12:52 |
| ttx | let's see if we can approve a bunch now | 12:52 |
| dhellmann | I see 2 with -1 | 12:52 |
| ttx | dhellmann: how much more time do you have in the meeting ? | 12:52 |
| ttx | we can do taht one off-meeting | 12:52 |
| ttx | on-channel | 12:52 |
| dhellmann | ttx: just a couple of minutes, yeah, can we do that in a bit? | 12:52 |
| ttx | sure | 12:53 |
| ttx | #info will do in-channel | 12:53 |
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| ttx | #topic PTL candidacy | 12:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL candidacy (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 12:53 | |
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| ttx | dhellmann: Wanted to ask you if you would be interested in a PTL rotation | 12:53 |
| dhellmann | I'll give that some serious thought. | 12:54 |
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| ttx | I don't expect that to change a lot either way, since we are acting like equals, but if you're interested, let me know and we can set up some healthy rotation there | 12:54 |
| dhellmann | we talked about it a bit early on, and I think as long as you're around to help with schedule, it's probably something I could take on for a cycle as we push out the remaining process changes, but I need to check that HP doesn't have other stuff they need me to look at, too | 12:54 |
| ttx | sure, just let me know | 12:55 |
| dhellmann | I do agree it would be good to establish that we can rotate the position | 12:55 |
| ttx | Just saying I'm not stuck on the throne :) | 12:55 |
| dhellmann | I suppose I would need to propose myself, so I'll let you know in a day or two :-) | 12:55 |
| ttx | ack | 12:55 |
| ttx | The remaining points on the agenda are more forward-looking | 12:56 |
| * jokke_ hands over the vaseline ;) | 12:56 | |
| ttx | #topic stable/liberty point releases plan | 12:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable/liberty point releases plan (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 12:56 | |
| ttx | My question here is whether there is anything we need to do before release / design summit on that front | 12:56 |
| dhellmann | did we settle on doing those on-demand? | 12:57 |
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| ttx | I don't think we officially settled on that. We just said that would be plan B unless we can come up with something better | 12:58 |
| dhellmann | ok | 12:58 |
| dhellmann | we might just need to get the interested parties in a room to hash it out, then | 12:58 |
| dhellmann | I have to run, the workers are here | 12:58 |
| ttx | So yeah, we might want to give that Mitaka plan a bit more publicity | 12:59 |
| ttx | ok | 12:59 |
| ttx | ttyl | 12:59 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 12:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 14 12:59:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-09-14-12.30.html | 12:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-09-14-12.30.txt | 12:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-09-14-12.30.log.html | 12:59 |
| dhellmann | I'll grab you in channel when they're settled | 12:59 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 14 14:00:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:01 |
| ikhudoshyn | o/ | 14:01 |
| boris-42 | ping kun_huang e0ne rvasilets | 14:01 |
| kun_huang | hi | 14:01 |
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| rvasilets | \o/ | 14:02 |
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| amaretskiy | hi | 14:02 |
| redixin | -_- | 14:02 |
| e0ne | рш | 14:03 |
| boris-42 | so let's start | 14:03 |
| e0ne | hi | 14:03 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Todays Agenda | 14:03 |
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| boris-42 | #link [kun] argument for using atomic actions or not | 14:03 |
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| kun_huang | hi | 14:03 |
| oanufriev | hi | 14:04 |
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| kun_huang | there may be some arguments | 14:04 |
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| boris-42 | #topic [kun] argument for using atomic actions or not | 14:04 |
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| kun_huang | In the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220200/, the output http://paste.openstack.org/show/451164/ of task seems bad, but: | 14:04 |
| kun_huang | if not using atomic actions, the output keeps meaningless from real business | 14:05 |
| kun_huang | if using atomic actions, the record time represent a combine of multiple calls, how do operators know what bad happened inside it? | 14:05 |
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| kun_huang | do we have a rule for when to use atomic actions? | 14:05 |
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| boris-42 | kun_huang: so that one example is very bad | 14:06 |
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| boris-42 | kun_huang: we shouldn't call atomic actions in the loop | 14:06 |
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| kun_huang | got it, that's rule No.1 | 14:07 |
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| boris-42 | kun_huang: so I don't know how to check this automatically =( | 14:07 |
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| kun_huang | check the atomic actions in loop? | 14:08 |
| stpierre | tbh, i think a lot of the problem comes from many of the neutron scenarios permitting multiple subnets per network. if they were all set to one subnet, with a separate scenario to test N subnets, then this problem would disappear | 14:08 |
| rvasilets | Do we need to write like in murano in such cases? #link https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/plugins/openstack/scenarios/murano/environments.py#L64 | 14:08 |
| stpierre | if we're going to keep N subnets per network in all of the scenarios, then we probably need to rewrite it like that | 14:08 |
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| stpierre | this particular scenario is still going to be strange, though, since it creates two networks, so there are always going to be multiple timers | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so I have some ideas | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | regarding to sub atomic_actions | 14:11 |
| stpierre | yeah, if we could nest atomic actions this would look much nicer | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: I found the way to do that | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: I will make spec after we cut the release 0.1.0 | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: ^ | 14:11 |
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| kun_huang | no problem | 14:11 |
| kun_huang | #agreed | 14:12 |
| stpierre | but in the mean time we need to either a) get rid of subnets_per_network; or b) rewrite subnet creation/modification/deletion and router plumbing to use a single atomic action per loop | 14:12 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: so we can create N networks as 1 atomic action | 14:12 |
| stpierre | i'd prefer the former -- i think it'd keep things cleaner, and i'm not sure of the value of creating 5 subnets per network in a scenario that's supposed to test creating a router | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: after that create N subnets as another atomic actions | 14:12 |
| stpierre | yes, that's option (b) | 14:13 |
| stpierre | and i don't like it :) | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so we may keep it as is for now | 14:13 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's move to the next topic | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | until we get nested atomic actions we will try to avoid such situation in our scenarios | 14:14 |
| stpierre | don't we want to fix the situation as it currently exists, though? | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: ? | 14:15 |
| stpierre | in the neutron scenarios, we run atomic timers in loops a lot. | 14:15 |
| stpierre | should we fix that? | 14:15 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: so we can * | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: at least for ports | 14:16 |
| kun_huang | I think boris-42 prefer https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/plugins/openstack/scenarios/murano/environments.py#L64 now | 14:16 |
| stpierre | every scenario that creates subnets or routers does it. and that's dang near all of them. | 14:16 |
| stpierre | that's exactly what i'm trying to discuss | 14:16 |
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| stpierre | because i think it's preferable to get rid of the subnets_per_network option, whereupon this whole issue disappears | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: even in such case we will have N ports | 14:17 |
| kun_huang | stpierre: what's the purpose of first subnets_per_network case? | 14:17 |
| kun_huang | anybody remember that? | 14:17 |
| stpierre | kun_huang: i have no idea. it seems wrong | 14:17 |
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| stpierre | boris-42: for scenarios that should be creating multiple resources, obviously we need to move the timer outside the loop. but i'm not convinced we need as many of those as we have | 14:18 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: so what you are propsing to do? | 14:19 |
| stpierre | when benchmarking port creation, for instance, i feel like we should do 100 trials of 1 port rather than 20 trials of 5 ports. very few of the other scenarios (outside of the neutron plugin) do multiple resource creation, and where they do (e.g., boot_and_delete_multiple_servers) it's because it's a separate API call | 14:19 |
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| stpierre | i think the best solution would be to get rid of subnets_per_network and ports_per_network | 14:19 |
| stpierre | entirely | 14:19 |
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| stpierre | the anti-pattern here is the loop itself | 14:20 |
| stpierre | the runner should provide the loop | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: but there is people that use this scenario | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: becasue they really want to create N ports per network which is ok as far as I know | 14:20 |
| stpierre | if people are seriously concerned about the performance difference between creating one port per network and two, then we can keep a scenario to do that | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: what is better just to combine together atomic actions | 14:21 |
| stpierre | and move the timer outside the loop | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: there can be difference | 14:21 |
| stpierre | ok, so then we can keep a scenario to do that | 14:21 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: yep we can just reogranize the code to show all creation of ports as one atomic action | 14:21 |
| stpierre | for ports we can, sure | 14:22 |
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| stpierre | but then look at something like create_and_delete_routers, which has three loops, two of which contain (or should contain) two atomic timers each | 14:22 |
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| stpierre | so now we need to split that out into five loops (create subnets, create routers, add router interfaces, delete router interfaces, delete routers)? | 14:22 |
| stpierre | or, we get rid of subnets_per_network and the whole problem disappears | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so we can create all networks, all subnete, sall routers, all ports | 14:23 |
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| stpierre | okay. i think that's going to make the code unnecessarily complicated, and is counter to the way most other plugins work (and in general the way benchmarking should work), but if that's the way we want to go, then i'll respect that | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so let's talk with neturon guys | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: I will talk today later and will see do they need this | 14:24 |
| stpierre | ok | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | so let's move to the next topic | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | #topic [rvasilets] How to use Rally API in our functional tests? | 14:25 |
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| kun_huang | python api? | 14:25 |
| rvasilets | Typing) | 14:26 |
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| rvasilets | Boris suggested to use Rally API #link https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/api.py in functional tests | 14:26 |
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| rvasilets | But when I started to add api calls into #link https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/tests/functional/test_task_samples.py | 14:27 |
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| rvasilets | I found that api not working | 14:27 |
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| rvasilets | I have made some debug and found that in functional tests there is no deployments table | 14:28 |
| rvasilets | http://logs.openstack.org/72/198772/8/check/gate-rally-dsvm-cli/f2114f2/console.html.gz#_2015-08-07_15_13_59_686 | 14:28 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: api actually works | 14:29 |
| rvasilets | This was printed after I have executeв db.deployment_list() | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: saying that API doens't work means saying that Rally doesn't work at all | 14:29 |
| rvasilets | So I don't now what is wrong | 14:29 |
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| rvasilets | See here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198772/8/tests/functional/test_task_samples.py | 14:30 |
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| rvasilets | line 65 gives an error | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: it means that you are doing something wrong* | 14:30 |
| rvasilets | And I don;t know what | 14:30 |
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| rvasilets | Do we use db when is functional tests executed? | 14:31 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: Rally doesn't wokr without DB | 14:32 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: but not sure where it is created | 14:32 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: inside utils.Rally() or when we are exectuing command | 14:32 |
| rvasilets | After this #link https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/tests/functional/utils.py#L105 | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: did you talk to redixin ? | 14:32 |
| rvasilets | Table deployments must to be exist | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: it's not DB | 14:33 |
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| rvasilets | But As we see from error | 14:33 |
| rvasilets | sqlalchemy can't find it | 14:33 |
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| rvasilets | Las time he have suggested to me to add more debug information as I remember | 14:34 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: so I don't have quick answer | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: did you takl to redixin about this? | 14:35 |
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| rvasilets | Last here said that "we need to research this issue" | 14:35 |
| rvasilets | yes | 14:35 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42: rvasilets: I think I know the solution | 14:36 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42: rvasilets: I will explain this | 14:36 |
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| amaretskiy | boris-42: rvasilets: We simply have to configure path to sqlite file before any db query | 14:36 |
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| amaretskiy | I did that recently so I will consult rvasilets | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: we do this | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: if you take a look at the code | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/tests/functional/utils.py#L97-L99 | 14:37 |
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| amaretskiy | this code runs rally-manage and creates db | 14:39 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep | 14:39 |
| amaretskiy | however we have issue while accessing db running rally as a lib, if db is located in non-standard place | 14:39 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: oh I know the issue | 14:39 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: yep ^ that is exactly the bug | 14:39 |
| amaretskiy | I had investigated this recently | 14:39 |
| amaretskiy | and the solution is simple | 14:40 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: you don't init CONF properly in case of rally.api | 14:40 |
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| amaretskiy | rvasilets, boris-42: yes, the CONF is the root cause | 14:40 |
| amaretskiy | rvasilets, boris-42: here is a root cause - https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/common/db/api.py#L51-L52 | 14:41 |
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| amaretskiy | we simply have to run set_defaults | 14:41 |
| amaretskiy | the very first time | 14:42 |
| amaretskiy | before these lines faired | 14:42 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep | 14:42 |
| amaretskiy | this can be a dirty way | 14:43 |
| amaretskiy | however that was my working case | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: or use the rally.conf file | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | okay | 14:43 |
| amaretskiy | i just wanted to test something | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | let's move to next topic | 14:43 |
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| boris-42 | as far as we know where is the issue | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | rest can be disucssed in rally chat | 14:43 |
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| boris-42 | #topic [boris-42] Rally Tags for Big Tent | 14:44 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: kun_huang amaretskiy rvasilets so guys | 14:44 |
| boris-42 | we were asked by Ops guys to create tags for big tent | 14:44 |
| boris-42 | related to Rally | 14:44 |
| boris-42 | I believe that there should be at least few of them | 14:45 |
| boris-42 | like has-rally-plugins runs-rally-in-gates | 14:45 |
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| boris-42 | works-against-rally =) | 14:45 |
| kun_huang | btw, our talk is cheep, if we have a plan for such tag, will that be reviewed by tc team? | 14:45 |
| rvasilets | Sorry for nobie but what is the term "big tent" exactly mean?) | 14:47 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/summit-videos/presentation/the-big-tent-a-look-at-the-new-openstack-projects-governance | 14:48 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: so I believe we should make a patch | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: to governance | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: or even bettter start mailing thread | 14:49 |
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| rvasilets | "Just Rally it" | 14:49 |
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| rvasilets | "rally-for-fast-clouds" | 14:50 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: seems like you mislead the idea of tags | 14:51 |
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| rvasilets | yes | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: tags are added to the projects | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: if they pass some criteria | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: like they have rally plugins | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: or they use rally in gatting | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: they works under load of 1k users and so on | 14:52 |
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| rvasilets | Why we need tags?=) Is this just for Openstack bureaucracy? | 14:53 |
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| rvasilets | ok. "rally-performance"? | 14:53 |
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| kun_huang | rvasilets: for example | 14:54 |
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| rvasilets | How will use this tags? | 14:54 |
| kun_huang | the recent ceilometer perfomance issue will be failed with "work in rally" | 14:55 |
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| kun_huang | because their recently change break rally's job | 14:55 |
| kun_huang | on perfomance view | 14:55 |
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| kun_huang | over 300s for event list api call | 14:55 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: it's some kind of bug inside ceilometer | 14:56 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: I believe | 14:56 |
| kun_huang | boris-42: it is | 14:56 |
| kun_huang | there is a very slow sql query | 14:56 |
| kun_huang | liusheng is working on it | 14:57 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: great | 14:57 |
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| boris-42 | okay we have to finish our meeting | 14:58 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 14 14:59:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-09-14-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-09-14-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-09-14-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 14 15:01:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:01 |
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| anteaya | hello | 15:01 |
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| asselin_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| asselin_ | hi anteaya | 15:01 |
| anteaya | hey asselin_ | 15:02 |
| anteaya | asselin_: how are you this morning? | 15:02 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, I'm fine :) | 15:02 |
| anteaya | glad to hear it | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | anything third party wise you would like to discuss today? | 15:03 |
| asselin_ | nothing in particular | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | okay | 15:04 |
| anteaya | any developments on the third party dashboard tool? | 15:05 |
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| asselin_ | I don't think there's anything new. I'm planning on looking into them in more depth today | 15:05 |
| asselin_ | hopefully we can make a go-forward decision tomorrow | 15:06 |
| anteaya | awesome | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | woooooo | 15:06 |
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| asselin_ | but I still haven't heard back from Sweston regarding radar | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | okay | 15:07 |
| anteaya | a data point to keep in mind | 15:08 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, have you seen the tool options? do you have any opinions? | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | I have seen a few | 15:08 |
| anteaya | I am willing to look at your assessment of the tools | 15:08 |
| anteaya | and I can offer an opinion if you like | 15:08 |
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| asselin_ | ok I need to find the etherpad link | 15:09 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:09 |
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| asselin_ | I can't find it. it's in the #openstack-third-party-ci room which isn't logged.... | 15:12 |
| anteaya | ah okay | 15:13 |
| anteaya | well when you can find it | 15:13 |
| anteaya | do share | 15:13 |
| asselin_ | sure I'll ping you later today when I find it | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | should I leave the meeting open do you think? | 15:13 |
| anteaya | sure thanks | 15:13 |
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| asselin_ | well..the other thing I'd like to discuss is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189762/ | 15:14 |
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| asselin_ | but that is more infra related. | 15:15 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189762/ | 15:15 |
| anteaya | do you want to share your thoughts for the log? | 15:15 |
| asselin_ | but it does impact 3rd party, especially towards migrating to a common-ci solution | 15:15 |
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| asselin_ | the patch introduces a backwards compatibility issue | 15:16 |
| asselin_ | so anyone deploying nodepool and not using the latest puppet scripts would need to create the new secure.conf file | 15:16 |
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| asselin_ | my ci-s & infra are not affected b/c we're using the latest puppet-nodepool scripts. | 15:17 |
| asselin_ | clarkb mentioned last week since nodepool version < 1.0 we don't need to bump the version number per semver | 15:17 |
| asselin_ | #link http://semver.org/ | 15:18 |
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| asselin_ | there's also some question (Joshua Hesketh) as to where to put the nodepool test-job. | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | awesome | 15:20 |
| anteaya | jhesketh: is sitting to my right | 15:20 |
| asselin_ | so it'd be great if we can iron out those issues and get the patch merged.... | 15:20 |
| anteaya | in about 5 more minutes after we finish going round the room I will get jhesketh to join us | 15:21 |
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| jhesketh | o/ | 15:21 |
| asselin_ | it would be great to have yolanda pabelanger and jeblair as well | 15:22 |
| jeblair | asselin_: hi there | 15:23 |
| jhesketh | asselin_: ah right, that one (just catching up) | 15:23 |
| jhesketh | asselin_: so I have an opinion about moving the test-job param, but it's just an opinion and not blocking on it at all | 15:23 |
| anteaya | yay | 15:23 |
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| anteaya | so asselin_ has some thoughts as he has outlined above | 15:23 |
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| anteaya | anyone else care to share their perspective on asselin_'s goal and the patch linked? | 15:24 |
| jeblair | what's the question? :) | 15:24 |
| anteaya | asselin_: do you want to clearly form a question? | 15:25 |
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| asselin_ | the goal is to get the patch merged, but there are some questions regarding the test job and backwards incompatibility | 15:25 |
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| jeblair | it's definitely backwards incompatible. | 15:25 |
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| asselin_ | pabelanger, hi | 15:26 |
| jeblair | but we make backwards incompatible changes a lot. and we'll keep doing it. but we can try to make sure people know about them. | 15:26 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 15:26 |
| jeblair | and of course since we use puppet to continuously deploy, there will be a sequence of changes that stepwise implement the change without breakage | 15:27 |
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| asselin_ | jeblair, right, for -infra & my 3rd party cis those changes have already merged (puppet-nodepool) I can look it up | 15:28 |
| asselin_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188325/ | 15:28 |
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| yolanda | hi asselin, i'll be around for short time, but i'm available now | 15:29 |
| asselin_ | yolanda, we're discussing your nodepool secure.conf change | 15:30 |
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| jeblair | the test-job should not go in the secure.conf file | 15:30 |
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| jeblair | if we move it, it should probably be to associate it with a label. | 15:31 |
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| yolanda | ah yes, we decided to move to the nodepool yaml, with jenkins targets, i remember | 15:31 |
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| jeblair | so therefore, it ought to be a different change. i think it's a good idea, but we don't use it so it's not high on my list to do right now. | 15:32 |
| jeblair | i think i said something to that effect in the comments already | 15:32 |
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| jeblair | but i can do it again if that is desired. | 15:32 |
| yolanda | so as far as i know, i didn't include on secure.conf, but on yaml, is not like that? | 15:32 |
| jhesketh | jeblair, asselin_: yes, the discussion we had is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189762/21/nodepool/nodepool.py | 15:33 |
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| jhesketh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189762/21/nodepool/nodepool.py | 15:33 |
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| pabelanger | Ya, I'd like to see if move forward. Breaking working nodepool configuration leaves some sour taste in my mouth. Any way to make secure.conf optional? | 15:34 |
| jeblair | probably test-job would have been moved to label a long time ago if we actually used it. :) | 15:34 |
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| jhesketh | my point about test-job was simply that rather than breaking compat twice, we do it all in one job | 15:35 |
| pabelanger | if not, I am fine with that. We just need to make sure everybody downstream knows of the change | 15:35 |
| jhesketh | but as jeblair points out, we don't promise non-breakage, so it's not overly important | 15:35 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: nodepool isn't nearly well designed enough to carry around that kind of baggage :( | 15:35 |
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| pabelanger | fair enough | 15:36 |
| yolanda | this change is already complex enough to add more features to it | 15:36 |
| yolanda | so i'd prefer to move test-job to an independent change | 15:36 |
| pabelanger | well, a version bump should be simple :) | 15:36 |
| yolanda | i agree that we should bump version with that secure.conf addition, as we are breaking backward compatibility | 15:37 |
| pabelanger | Ya, don't get me wrong, I like the change. So I don't want to hold it up longer then already it has been. | 15:37 |
| yolanda | i'm afraid of breaking downstream really. In our side, we consume a custom branch, and we manage syncs manually. But i'm not sure on all use cases, people consuming directly from upstream may have bad surprises | 15:38 |
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| yolanda | maybe sending an announcement to the mailing list, before approving, can work? | 15:38 |
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| jeblair | yeah, announce to -infra list would be prudent i thin | 15:39 |
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| jeblair | think | 15:39 |
| jeblair | also, in zuul, we keep a NEWS file with notes on breaking changes | 15:39 |
| pabelanger | Ya, anything to give a heads up helps. For me, I have old clients that are running nodepool. So, if I can point them to a simple ML post, that helps | 15:39 |
| asselin_ | and -dev [third-party] | 15:39 |
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| jeblair | asselin_: let's focus these messages on -infra | 15:40 |
| jeblair | that's what it's fore | 15:40 |
| yolanda | ok, so this needs to be coordinated, maybe sending the announce on mailing list, with an exact day of the change | 15:40 |
| yolanda | to give time for people to be prepared | 15:40 |
| yolanda | and also point to the changes done in puppet to get a general idea on the new config | 15:41 |
| asselin_ | jeblair, I'm not sure how my third party folks subscribe to that list, but maybe that's something we can note that they do up-front. | 15:41 |
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| yolanda | sending that to opentack-dev, with the right topic, cannot hurt... | 15:41 |
| jeblair | asselin_: i think that people using our tools should subscribe to it. it's not necessary information for third-party ci folks not using our tools. | 15:42 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: i think we should avoid sending every message to every list. let's try to keep them on topic. | 15:42 |
| asselin_ | jeblair, ok I can send the note to -dev and reference the -infra post | 15:42 |
| jeblair | this is not related to openstack development | 15:42 |
| jeblair | this is related to nodepool development | 15:42 |
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| yolanda | ok | 15:44 |
| yolanda | so how do we move forward? | 15:44 |
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| asselin_ | jeblair, ok, then we should ask third party folks to subscribe to -infra. I'll take that action. | 15:44 |
| jeblair | asselin_: the ones using our tooling, yes :) | 15:45 |
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| asselin_ | #action asselin_ ask third party operators using infra tooling to subscribe to -infra list | 15:45 |
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| jeblair | send announcement to -infra; merge change; (optional: move test-job); (optional: start a NEWS file in nodepool repo); (optional: release with version bump) | 15:46 |
| jeblair | yolanda: ^ | 15:46 |
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| yolanda | jeblair, how do you want to schedule that? maybe giving a week between the announcement and the deploy? | 15:46 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: no, i think immediate is fine. we don't promise that we won't break CD systems running master. if someone wants to run our tools CD, they should probably be using puppet and keeping on top of things. | 15:48 |
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| anteaya | are we getting to a way forward? | 15:49 |
| yolanda | jeblair, you will take care? or do you want me to send the announcement to the ml? | 15:49 |
| anteaya | anyone what to propose a plan of action? | 15:49 |
| jeblair | anteaya: i thought i did. | 15:50 |
| anteaya | great | 15:50 |
| jeblair | yolanda: would you please send it? | 15:50 |
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| anteaya | so jeblair has proposed a plan of action, can we all agree to it? | 15:50 |
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| yolanda | jeblair, sure | 15:50 |
| yolanda | will it be landing today? | 15:50 |
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| yolanda | jeblair, asselin, so i need to step out for a while. I'll come back later and write some announcement, first i'll send you for review. Are you ok with that? | 15:55 |
| jeblair | yolanda: sounds good, thanks | 15:55 |
| yolanda | pabelanger as well ^ | 15:55 |
| yolanda | ok | 15:55 |
| asselin_ | yolanda, agree | 15:55 |
| pabelanger | ack | 15:55 |
| anteaya | I do believe I have to end the meeting | 15:56 |
| asselin_ | anteaya, I think that's it. we can take the rest offline. We have a plan forward now. | 15:56 |
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| asselin_ | thanks everyone | 15:56 |
| anteaya | have we reached a happy place? | 15:56 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:56 |
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| anteaya | sorry I was multitasking with the qa sprint | 15:57 |
| yolanda | thanks all, nice to have it moving forward | 15:57 |
| anteaya | thanks all for contributing to the conversation | 15:57 |
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| anteaya | I appreciate it | 15:57 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 14 15:57:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-09-14-15.01.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-09-14-15.01.txt | 15:57 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 14 16:00:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| NikolayM | hi everyone! | 16:00 |
| xylan_kong | hi | 16:00 |
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| akuznetsova | hi there | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | hi | 16:01 |
| xylan_kong | other guys? | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | not today most likely, maybe Winson will join but not folks from ALU, they have a holiday | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | so let's start | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | the agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MistralAgenda | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. xylan_kong: look at the failing test NegativeCLITests.test_ex_invalid_status_changing, it may be related with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219870/2 | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | I know it's done ) | 16:04 |
| xylan_kong | yeah | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | 2. rakhmerov, xylan_kong: remind zhenguo about https://review.openstack.org/216729 | 16:04 |
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| xylan_kong | done | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | done but there's still some work to merge a patch into infra | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | it's on review now | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | 3. xylan_kong: review https://review.openstack.org/220439 and Nikolay's documentation patches | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | this is done | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | thank you! | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | 4. rakhmerov, zhenguo: help Liat with her patch on tasks screen | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | this is, honestly, something that I still didn't find time for | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | zhenguo may have found though but I don't have info about it | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: do you know? | 16:06 |
| xylan_kong | maybe zhenguo is busy with some PoC these days | 16:06 |
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| xylan_kong | did'nt have enough time for upstream work | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I'll try to catch Liat and talk to her about her patches | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | I see | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: talk to Liat about her patches | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | 5. rakhmerov or NikolayM: implement task() yaql function | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | done | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | although this workstream is not finished, we need to remove deprecated stuff so that we can't use "$.task_name" to access task result | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: finish all that's left after adding task() yaql function | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | 6. gpaz: try to investigate what may be wrong with expiration policy (look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218544/) | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | he is still looking at it | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | #action gpaz: try to investigate what may be wrong with expiration policy (look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218544/) | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | 7. ^Gal^: make mistral-dashboard debug shine | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | same | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | #action ^Gal^: make mistral-dashboard debug shine | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | this is the patch: https://review.openstack.org/221685 | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's move to the next topic | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status | 16:10 |
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| NikolayM | my status: worked on documentation, fixed dsl docs, checked bug related to env evaluation in with-items, start to work on some bugs | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: released L-3 last week, this time the delay was about 3 days which I consider ok but we definitely can do better | 16:11 |
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| xylan_kong | :-) | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | also implemented a couple of things: refactored specifications (polymorphic specs, separate validation etc.), fixed a bug with wf cycles, implemented task() function | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: what does your smile mean? :) | 16:12 |
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| xylan_kong | My status: I have been busy with censor summit topics internally for almost the whole last week, and did some review work in spare time | 16:12 |
| xylan_kong | just for 'we can do it better' | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, we can :) | 16:13 |
| xylan_kong | sure | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | we're learning how to | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | :) alright | 16:13 |
| akuznetsova | I am working on python34 gate, try to make it "green" | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | cool | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | I'd suggest we make it in separate patches so that they are not so big | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | this gate is non-voting anyway | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | but it would be really cool if we finally did that | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: than you very much for volunteering ) | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | .. thank ... | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | guys, 2 questions: 1) any roadblocks that you see? 2) xylan_kong: what your availability is going to be for the next couple of weeks? | 16:15 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, no problem) | 16:16 |
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| NikolayM | +1 | 16:16 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: I'll be on business trip next week | 16:16 |
| xylan_kong | but I think I have at least 2 hour per day for upstream work | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, good | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | next topic | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Scoping RC releases | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | so since we released L-3 we now started working on RC1 release | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | as far as RC releases, we're not adding any new functionality, especially API changes, and mostly fixing bugs | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | what I think is ok is to continue with docs and UI | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | because it doesn't break any compatibility by any way | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | so | 16:20 |
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| xylan_kong | agreed, we can bring new features to discuss at the summit | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | I've tried to arrange all the bugs that we have and assign the most important ones (IMO) to RC1 and some to RC2 | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | again, this bug<->release assignment is mostly my vision of what we need to be focused on | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | and hence I'd like to ask you to look through the list of bugs and let me know what you agree/disagree with | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | in other words, feel free to make your sugguestions | 16:23 |
| akuznetsova | btw, here is a link https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/liberty-rc1 | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks, yes | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | the main criteria that I was guided is "does it prevent using Mistral in production?" | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | for example, this one does: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1337268 | 16:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1337268 in Mistral liberty "Security issue: passwords are not hidden in logs" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Lingxian Kong (kong) | 16:25 |
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| xylan_kong | yes, this is the one I'm struggling with | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | I know it's a hard one but we have to provide a solution | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: I left a comment there, please look at it and let me know your thoughts | 16:26 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: thanks | 16:26 |
| xylan_kong | np | 16:26 |
| akuznetsova | maybe we should change the title of this bug? | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | even if you agree with the solution it will take pretty long to implement | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | at least a week | 16:26 |
| xylan_kong | I'll try | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: yes, do you have a suggestion? | 16:27 |
| xylan_kong | and I need NikolayM's help as well, NikolayM please also take a look | 16:27 |
| akuznetsova | passwords -> user-specific secure data | 16:28 |
| akuznetsova | ? | 16:28 |
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| NikolayM | yep, How can I help you? | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:29 |
| xylan_kong | NikolayM: need you input for this problem :) | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | check this out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1337268 | 16:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1337268 in Mistral liberty "Security issue: user secure info is not protected properly (logs, API, DB)" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Lingxian Kong (kong) | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | is this title ok? | 16:30 |
| xylan_kong | about how can we solve it elegantly | 16:30 |
| akuznetsova | yes, sounds more 'english' ) | 16:30 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: perfect | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: will take it as a compliment :) | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:31 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: about pagination support at client, we can do it in RC-1? | 16:31 |
| xylan_kong | or leave it to M? | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | let's try to push it | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | honestly, I thought it was done when I was going thru the list of bugs | 16:32 |
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| xylan_kong | since it's new feature for mistralclient, so it break our rule | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: would you like to take it? | 16:32 |
| xylan_kong | no, I just missed it | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | it's a bug rather | 16:32 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: sure, let me finish my work | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | it's not new functionality | 16:32 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: ok, I will file a new bug for that | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | and it may actually be done in a backwards compatible way | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | yes, please | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | one thing I'd ask you is to always assign the current milestone for a bug if it's completed | 16:34 |
| xylan_kong | can I? | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | it's mostly my fault, I know, but I found lots of fixed bugs without milestones | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: I mean even if you can't (please check if you can) you can ask me | 16:35 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, I think that xylan_kong doesn't have enough permissions | 16:35 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: ok, sure | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: btw, you should be able to | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | hmm... | 16:35 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: yes, I wish I have | 16:35 |
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| xylan_kong | I don't belong to mistral driver team | 16:36 |
| xylan_kong | https://launchpad.net/~mistral-drivers | 16:37 |
| xylan_kong | right there? | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let me figure out that | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | I think it's actually because of the different group | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | Mistral Bug Team | 16:39 |
| akuznetsova | yes, this one https://launchpad.net/~mistral-bug-team | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, I'm generally not against of giving you a permission but I think it doesn't work right now in our project | 16:41 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: it's ok | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | let me figure out something | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | #action akhmerov: figure out if it's ok to include xylan_kong into Mistral Bug Team | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: I'll do it tomorrow. I think it's ok to do it | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | just need to read a couple of wiki pages :) | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | alright | 16:44 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: ok, it's not so urgent | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | guys, any suggestions now on bugs for RC releases? | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | and you can look at them offline and make your suggestions then | 16:46 |
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| akuznetsova | do not forget about bugs here https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-mistralclient | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, however, we don't have any RC releases for client and we can just release minor versions if needed | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | assuming that we don't break compatibility, of course | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | but yes, let's not forget them | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | usual question: anything else? | 16:50 |
| akuznetsova | nothing from my side | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:51 |
| xylan_kong | no | 16:51 |
| NikolayM | no | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | please don't forget to review patches | 16:51 |
| NikolayM | sure :) | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | remember: core member is primarily core reviewer | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | not committer | 16:51 |
| xylan_kong | I always call my self core reviewer :-) | 16:51 |
| xylan_kong | and keep reviewing every day | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | ok, cool | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | I actually wish we had more good reviewers (don't want to offend anyone) | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's end the meeting | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 14 16:53:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-09-14-16.00.html | 16:53 |
| xylan_kong | thanks | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | bye guys, thanks | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-09-14-16.00.txt | 16:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-09-14-16.00.log.html | 16:53 |
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| matjazp | hey all | 17:01 |
| mgrohar | hi | 17:01 |
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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 14 17:01:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:02 |
| matjazp | roll call | 17:02 |
| cloudtrainme | Hello | 17:02 |
| mgrohar | here | 17:02 |
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| matjazp | hi cloudtrainme mgrohar | 17:02 |
| rluethi | hi all | 17:02 |
| matjazp | hey roger | 17:02 |
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| jmckind | hello | 17:02 |
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| matjazp | hi jmckind | 17:03 |
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| matjazp | lets look at last week's action items | 17:03 |
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| matjazp | cloudtrainme: any luck with "hunting down" some coworkers? ;) | 17:03 |
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| cloudtrainme | jmckind: is one of my co-workers | 17:04 |
| jmckind | I am one of those and a rookie, so be kind... :) | 17:04 |
| matjazp | jmckind: welcome! | 17:04 |
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| cloudtrainme | Also, there is one more logging in now. | 17:04 |
| jmckind | thanks! | 17:04 |
| matjazp | cloudtrainme: nice | 17:05 |
| matjazp | cloudtrainme: we should give you more action items in the future ;) | 17:05 |
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| cloudtrainme | lol...those are easy action items | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | I've put a simple TOC for Training sildes on Wiki | 17:06 |
| matjazp | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-guides#Training_slides_-_Modules | 17:06 |
| bgmccollum | o/ Here cloudtrainme | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | Wiki page is still a mess, I have to cleann it up a bit | 17:06 |
| matjazp | bgmccollum: welcome | 17:06 |
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| bgmccollum | matjazp: thanks | 17:06 |
| matjazp | bgmccollum jmckind if you guys need anything, please just ask | 17:07 |
| matjazp | ok... the last action item is still there for me | 17:07 |
| matjazp | #action matjazp sends a question regarding pics "pastebin" (ala paste.openstak.org) to the docs ML | 17:08 |
| matjazp | btw... i think one way to do it is to use paste.openstack.org to store base64 encoded image and then a simple web service to decode and show it | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | something like our.new.service/showpic?q=paste.openstack.org/123456 | 17:09 |
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| cloudtrainme | matjazp: this was for storing images right? Trying to remember. | 17:10 |
| matjazp | cloudtrainme: yes | 17:10 |
| matjazp | we need something to store pics (like paste.openstack.org for text | 17:11 |
| bgmccollum | so an imgbin service? lots to choose from... | 17:11 |
| matjazp | if we share link to dropbox or other cloud service, it gets deleted and there is no real archive for reviews | 17:11 |
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| matjazp | bgmccollum: I guess we need something like openstacks paste service.. not ephemeral, but more or less permanent | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | ok, moving on to the agenda | 17:14 |
| bgmccollum | matjazp: possibly a solution using swift? | 17:14 |
| matjazp | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides | 17:14 |
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| matjazp | bgmccollum: it's a possibility, yes | 17:15 |
| matjazp | bgmccollum: I don't know if something like it exists for "general" audience | 17:16 |
| matjazp | bgmccollum: and there are endless complications regarding copyright issues | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | bgmccollum: so it is easier to just base64 encode an image, paste it to existing paste.openstack.org and than just publish a link using this paste to decode on the fly... | 17:17 |
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| bgmccollum | matjazp: gotcha... | 17:18 |
| matjazp | anyway, it is not an priority, just a nice to have feature that enables easier slide reviews | 17:18 |
| matjazp | like when you want to show that something renders wrong on a particular OS or browser | 17:19 |
| matjazp | #topic Upstream training landing page | 17:19 |
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| matjazp | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222587/ | 17:20 |
| matjazp | this is a first shot at a new landing page | 17:20 |
| matjazp | I kept the old one as slide-index.html | 17:20 |
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| matjazp | you can look both at the review | 17:21 |
| matjazp | I published direct links to the pages generated at the gate | 17:21 |
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| jmckind | will review... | 17:21 |
| matjazp | you can look at this generated slides if you click at the Jenkins gate (gate-training-guides-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild) | 17:22 |
| cloudtrainme | on that topic, when we are developing slides, whats the best way to generate them locally? | 17:23 |
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| matjazp | just run tox -e upstream-slides | 17:23 |
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| matjazp | or tox -e training-slides | 17:24 |
| cloudtrainme | matjazp: got it. thanks. | 17:24 |
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| matjazp | look at the tox.ini for the right target | 17:24 |
| matjazp | when you upload a patch, this tox.ini has two actions that gets executed | 17:24 |
| matjazp | currently publishing is at docs.openstack.org/draft/training-guides | 17:25 |
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| matjazp | and docs.openstack.org/draft/upstream-training | 17:25 |
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| matjazp | if this new landing page is ok, we can proceed to start the process of publishing th eupstream material to docs.openstack.org (without draft | 17:26 |
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| matjazp | and we chose to continuously publish all patchsets, so when we merge a patch, it gets published immediately | 17:27 |
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| matjazp | we have a list of bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/ | 17:28 |
| bgmccollum | excellent... | 17:29 |
| matjazp | so you can just assign a bug to yourself to reserve a work that needs to be done | 17:29 |
| matjazp | if anyone needs help with the process, just ping me | 17:30 |
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| matjazp | actually... or look at the slides of the upstream training :) | 17:30 |
| jmckind | will do | 17:30 |
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| matjazp | it's complicated, I know. | 17:31 |
| bgmccollum | grabbing my first bug | 17:31 |
| matjazp | it's easier to just use powerpoint or keynote, but this is not a git frendly format | 17:32 |
| jmckind | Yeah, we have had our own struggles with that | 17:32 |
| matjazp | internally, in my lab, we settled for reveal.js | 17:32 |
| bgmccollum | matjazp: you might be interested in madoko - https://www.madoko.net/ | 17:33 |
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| matjazp | it's much more capable than Hieroglyph/Sphinx we use here | 17:33 |
| matjazp | bgmccollum: nice.. will look at it, thnx | 17:33 |
| mgrohar | hm, looks like madoko is using reveal.js | 17:34 |
| matjazp | I guess we chose this mainly because we wanted to use RST instead of MD | 17:34 |
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| matjazp | but the transformation from RST to MD is not a complex task and can be automated, so we can switch to some other framework if we chose so | 17:35 |
| matjazp | anyway. back to usptream training | 17:36 |
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| matjazp | the plan is to publish this new page at the docs index and also add a link to our deliverables to the openstack.org/marketplace/training, at the OpenStack Online Help box | 17:37 |
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| matjazp | I'll wait for Tim Freunds review (or other trainer for Tokyo Upstream training) to look at the landing page | 17:39 |
| matjazp | anything else for upstream training? | 17:40 |
| matjazp | one patch just got merged, there are several more to go. we have like 30 days to do it | 17:40 |
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| matjazp | and we still need to look at the other half of the upstream slides and enter bugs that nees to be updated before the ummit | 17:41 |
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| matjazp | ummit=summit | 17:41 |
| matjazp | any takers? | 17:41 |
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| matjazp | ok, moving on to the training guides | 17:42 |
| matjazp | #topic training slides | 17:43 |
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| matjazp | any news here? | 17:43 |
| cloudtrainme | I'm working on the slide for Compute. | 17:44 |
| cloudtrainme | It looks like they slides are numbered, ie 08-**** | 17:44 |
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| cloudtrainme | is there a numbering system we should be folllowing? | 17:44 |
| matjazp | cloudtrainme: yes, this is from old guide | 17:44 |
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| matjazp | cloudtrainme: do we even need nubbering? | 17:45 |
| matjazp | numbering | 17:45 |
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| matjazp | we'll publish a landing page that list topics/modules | 17:45 |
| cloudtrainme | yeah...i don't think we need the numbering as long as we have a TOC | 17:45 |
| matjazp | maybe we don't need numbers, as we plan to reuse material between different guides | 17:46 |
| cloudtrainme | if some topics build on others, we need to preserve the order. | 17:46 |
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| matjazp | cloudtrainme: yes, this order will be suggested on the landing page | 17:46 |
| cloudtrainme | matjazp: perfect | 17:47 |
| matjazp | cloudtrainme: if we mix'n'match slides together, numbers will just confuse things | 17:47 |
| cloudtrainme | matjazp: I agree. Let's drop the numbers. | 17:47 |
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| matjazp | and avery topic should be as small as possible, so it can be used/reused in different formats/slides | 17:48 |
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| matjazp | so is it an agreement? we loose the numbers in the name of the modules/chapters/topics | 17:49 |
| matjazp | what do you think? | 17:49 |
| mgrohar | makes sense to me | 17:49 |
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| cloudtrainme | #vote yes | 17:50 |
| jmckind | works for me :) | 17:50 |
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| matjazp | anyway, if we stumble upon something, we can easily add the numbering scheme later | 17:51 |
| matjazp | #info slide modules have no numbers in the names | 17:51 |
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| matjazp | #info order of the modules is preserved with the ordering of items on the landing page | 17:51 |
| matjazp | nice | 17:52 |
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| matjazp | anything else for training slides? | 17:52 |
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| cloudtrainme | nothing here. | 17:53 |
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| matjazp | #topic AOB | 17:53 |
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| matjazp | anything else? | 17:53 |
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| mgrohar | no | 17:54 |
| matjazp | will you guys all be at the summit? | 17:54 |
| cloudtrainme | I'll be there. | 17:54 |
| jmckind | yes, I am also signed up to help with the training the weekend before. | 17:54 |
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| matjazp | jmckind: with upstream training? | 17:55 |
| jmckind | yes | 17:55 |
| bgmccollum | ill be helping at the summit as well | 17:55 |
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| matjazp | jmckind: excelent. upstream is a month away so I guess it has a priority. we need to update the slides | 17:56 |
| bgmccollum | I just submitted a review for an updated stackalytics screenshot | 17:56 |
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| matjazp | just enter a bug if you see anything tht needs to change | 17:56 |
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| jmckind | I will look at the upstream slides | 17:58 |
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| matjazp | ok, time's almost up | 17:58 |
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| matjazp | jmckind: please do and just add a bug if something needs to update | 17:58 |
| matjazp | excellent meeting, thanks everyone | 17:59 |
| matjazp | see you next week | 17:59 |
| jmckind | thanks! | 17:59 |
| matjazp | bye | 17:59 |
| jmckind | bye | 17:59 |
| bgmccollum | its on the calendar. thanks matjazp | 17:59 |
| mgrohar | next week, bye | 17:59 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 14 17:59:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-09-14-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-09-14-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-09-14-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting akanda | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 14 18:01:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: akanda)" | 18:01 | |
| markmcclain | o/ | 18:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'akanda' | 18:01 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 18:01 |
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| adam_g | o/ | 18:02 |
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| sarob | good morning | 18:03 |
| sarob | everyone | 18:03 |
| elo | hello | 18:03 |
| sarob | elo: hey eric | 18:03 |
| sarob | agenda | 18:04 |
| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/akanda | 18:04 |
| sarob | first item | 18:04 |
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| sarob | electing a project PTL in preparation for mitaka | 18:04 |
| sarob | #topic electing a project PTL in preparation for mitaka | 18:05 |
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| sarob | better | 18:05 |
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| sarob | i put it out there that | 18:05 |
| sarob | i have enjoying running the dev meetings | 18:05 |
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| sarob | but its time to elect a technical leader | 18:05 |
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| sarob | adam gandelman has shown his technical leadership in the project | 18:06 |
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| sarob | so i lean toward him, but | 18:06 |
| sarob | this is a public project so we need to discuss it | 18:07 |
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| markmcclain | +1 to adam_g | 18:07 |
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| davidlenwell | also +1 to adam_g | 18:07 |
| sarob | open for discussion on the topic | 18:07 |
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| sarob | ryanpetrello: you around? | 18:07 |
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| davidlenwell | but it wouldn't hurt to discuss the alternitive of markmcclain taking that roll would it? | 18:08 |
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| sarob | certainly not | 18:08 |
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| sarob | its all up for discussion | 18:08 |
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| adam_g | im fine with takin over if its me | 18:08 |
| sarob | markmcclain: what are your thoughts? | 18:08 |
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| sarob | i didnt see any responses when I put the PTL discussion out on the ML | 18:10 |
| sarob | so i thought we should open discuss here | 18:10 |
| markmcclain | I've kicked around the different scenarios while I be happy to serve as PTL | 18:10 |
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| markmcclain | but from a project community and community perspective I think would be a better fit for the next cycle | 18:11 |
| markmcclain | *I think adam_g would be a better fit for the next cycle | 18:11 |
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| elo | I'm too new to project to contribute | 18:13 |
| sarob | markmcclain: so if i understand correctly, you are offering to be PTL for mitaka cycle? | 18:13 |
| sarob | markmcclain: or for the remainder of liberty? | 18:13 |
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| davidlenwell | he's saying he'd be happy to do it but he thinks adam_g is a better fit for next cycle | 18:13 |
| markmcclain | sarob: quite the opposite.. I think adam_g would be good PTL | 18:13 |
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| markmcclain | and selecting a ptl for remainder of L and all of M makes sense since the other projects are going through the same process currently | 18:14 |
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| sarob | markmcclain: got it same PTL for the rest of L and M | 18:16 |
| markmcclain | right | 18:16 |
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| sarob | okay if no more discussion then lets vote | 18:18 |
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| sarob | #startvote adam gandelman as PTL for the remainder of L cycle and all of M cycle | 18:19 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 18:19 |
| sarob | #startvote adam gandelman as PTL for the remainder of L cycle and all of M cycle? | 18:19 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: adam gandelman as PTL for the remainder of L cycle and all of M cycle? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 18:19 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:19 |
| sarob | #vote yes | 18:19 |
| markmcclain | #vote yes | 18:19 |
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| davidlenwell | #vote yes | 18:19 |
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| * adam_g abstains | 18:20 | |
| sarob | ryanpetrello: ? | 18:20 |
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| sarob | i guess thats majority | 18:20 |
| sarob | #showvote | 18:20 |
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| sarob | #endvote | 18:20 |
| markmcclain | ryanpetrello is off today | 18:20 |
| openstack | Voted on "adam gandelman as PTL for the remainder of L cycle and all of M cycle?" Results are | 18:20 |
| sarob | 3 yes | 18:21 |
| sarob | 1 abstain | 18:21 |
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| sarob | 1 not present | 18:21 |
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| sarob | congrats adam_g | 18:21 |
| adam_g | w00t thanks guys | 18:21 |
| sarob | moving on | 18:22 |
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| sarob | #topic akanda F2F hack | 18:22 |
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| sarob | we had discussed a few different times | 18:23 |
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| sarob | 28-29 september seems to be the best dates | 18:23 |
| sarob | in portland | 18:23 |
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| sarob | are we in agreement still that is the right place and time? | 18:23 |
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| markmcclain | works for me | 18:24 |
| sarob | elo? | 18:24 |
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| elo | yes. I'm in town that week already | 18:24 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell, adam_g? | 18:25 |
| adam_g | +1 | 18:25 |
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| sarob | im pretty sure davidlenwell is good as well | 18:25 |
| davidlenwell | yea | 18:26 |
| davidlenwell | sorry .. i knew you knew that so I didn't speak up | 18:26 |
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| sarob | so we need to start prepping for mitaka and get a some work prepped for the f2f | 18:27 |
| adam_g | i think we should first worry about getting our liberty release in order | 18:27 |
| sarob | adam_g: what do you think the f2f focus should be? | 18:28 |
| sarob | adam_g: like scheduled work that is | 18:28 |
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| adam_g | sarob, oh right, yes. we can discuss future M development in portland. | 18:29 |
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| adam_g | well, assuming we get our L released next week :) | 18:29 |
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| sarob | adam_g: yeah, so we should organize the f2f schedule very soon | 18:30 |
| adam_g | yup | 18:31 |
| sarob | i was thinking we can schedule a 30 minutes or so over irc sometime this week | 18:31 |
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| adam_g | we can just create an etherpad people can dump ideas into as they get htem? | 18:31 |
| sarob | adam_g: sounds good | 18:31 |
| sarob | lets share over ML then? | 18:31 |
| adam_g | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/akanda-mitaka-planning | 18:32 |
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| adam_g | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/akanda-mitaka-planning | 18:32 |
| adam_g | #action everyone start dumping ideas for M planning into https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/akanda-mitaka-planning | 18:32 |
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| sarob | #action everyone start dumping ideas for M planning into https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/akanda-mitaka-planning | 18:33 |
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| sarob | moving on | 18:33 |
| sarob | #topic critical bugs | 18:33 |
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| sarob | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1481877 | 18:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1481877 in akanda "stable/juno branches are versioned incorrectly" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Sean Roberts (sarob) | 18:33 |
| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/217814 | 18:34 |
| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/217808 | 18:34 |
| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/217812 | 18:34 |
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| sarob | should all be ready to merge | 18:34 |
| sarob | i had a typo in the commit msg | 18:34 |
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| sarob | thx markmcclain | 18:35 |
| adam_g | cool | 18:35 |
| adam_g | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1491593 | 18:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491593 in akanda "tenant created networks cannot be deleted by the tenant" [High,In progress] | 18:35 |
| adam_g | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1491593 | 18:35 |
| adam_g | i have patches up for those two | 18:35 |
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| adam_g | oops | 18:36 |
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| adam_g | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1492056 | 18:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1492056 in akanda "A missing appliance instance is caught by alive check, not the missing instance" [High,In progress] | 18:36 |
| adam_g | sarob, can you create an rc1 release milestone so i can start targeting bugs accordingly? | 18:36 |
| adam_g | also, FYI we decided a couple of weeks ago that our rc1 would go out next week with the rest of em | 18:37 |
| sarob | #link https://launchpad.net/akanda/+milestone/liberty-rc1 | 18:37 |
| markmcclain | adam_g: good catch | 18:37 |
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| adam_g | sarob, ah cool | 18:37 |
| sarob | adam_g: need to change the date though | 18:38 |
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| sarob | #action sarob update rc1 release to match neutron | 18:38 |
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| sarob | looks like | 18:39 |
| sarob | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1490331 | 18:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1490331 in akanda "akanda-appliance stable/juno test.unit.drivers.test_hostname.HostnameTestCase test is failing" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ryan Petrello (ryan-petrello) | 18:39 |
| sarob | was already merged, just not updated | 18:39 |
| adam_g | thats a stable/juno bug | 18:40 |
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| sarob | adam_g: yup | 18:40 |
| sarob | so we need some reviews on your bug patches adam_g | 18:41 |
| sarob | anything else before bp update? | 18:41 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, maybe you know if this is a bug or expected https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1491673 | 18:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491673 in akanda "newly created router briefly reports as ACTIVE before it is built" [Undecided,New] | 18:42 |
| adam_g | we can chat about that after | 18:42 |
| adam_g | sarob, okay to move on | 18:42 |
| sarob | #topic progress on liberty rc1 | 18:42 |
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| markmcclain | adam_g: yeah.. it's a quirk we've tolerated for a bit | 18:43 |
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| adam_g | markmcclain, ah ok | 18:43 |
| sarob | #info appliance provisioning driver | 18:43 |
| sarob | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/appliance-provisioning-driver | 18:43 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: update | 18:43 |
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| davidlenwell | in the process of fixing all the tests that fail in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215227/9 | 18:44 |
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| sarob | anything else? | 18:46 |
| sarob | base driver patch | 18:47 |
| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215226/12 | 18:47 |
| sarob | and driver ffactory patch | 18:47 |
| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215220/16 | 18:47 |
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| sarob | should be ready to merge after those tests are landed? | 18:47 |
| davidlenwell | Thre will be new patches on the driver factory that includes tests | 18:48 |
| sarob | okay good | 18:48 |
| davidlenwell | but the base driver patch will likely stay as is | 18:49 |
| sarob | got it | 18:49 |
| sarob | moving on then | 18:49 |
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| sarob | #info LBaaSv2 | 18:50 |
| sarob | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/lbaas-v2-support | 18:50 |
| sarob | i believe you plan on starting tomorrow | 18:50 |
| davidlenwell | work on that blue print will start tomorrow.. plan to get it finished in a few days | 18:50 |
| sarob | cool | 18:51 |
| sarob | moving on | 18:51 |
| sarob | #link rug scaling | 18:51 |
| sarob | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/rug-scaling | 18:51 |
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| sarob | adam_g: your patches are out there | 18:51 |
| adam_g | yep | 18:51 |
| sarob | we as a team need to review | 18:51 |
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| sarob | #action team needs to review rug scaling patches pending | 18:52 |
| sarob | #info nodepool/pez | 18:52 |
| sarob | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/nodepool-support | 18:52 |
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| adam_g | just fished up a working POC on friday | 18:53 |
| sarob | adam_g: how is that coming? | 18:53 |
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| adam_g | i'll clean that stuff up and hopefully have it in a state others can start banging on it this week | 18:53 |
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| sarob | cool | 18:53 |
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| sarob | anything else? | 18:53 |
| adam_g | good thing is that pez is its own standalone service and default/existing behavior will be preserved | 18:53 |
| adam_g | so we shouldn tneed to block release if its still in an experimental state | 18:54 |
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| sarob | got it | 18:54 |
| sarob | #info docs updates | 18:54 |
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| sarob | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/liberty-doc-updates | 18:54 |
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| sarob | first quarter of this is merged | 18:55 |
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| sarob | ill get more pushed up this week | 18:55 |
| sarob | #topic any other business | 18:55 |
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| markmcclain | none from me | 18:56 |
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| sarob | anyone else? | 18:57 |
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| adam_g | sarob, shall i plan on chairing the meeting next week? | 18:57 |
| sarob | yes, plz | 18:57 |
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| adam_g | 10-4 | 18:58 |
| sarob | roger roger | 18:58 |
| sarob | i guess that is it | 18:58 |
| sarob | cheers everyone! | 18:58 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 14 18:58:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-09-14-18.01.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-09-14-18.01.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-09-14-18.01.log.html | 18:58 |
| markmcclain | bye | 18:59 |
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| geoffarnold | hi | 19:02 |
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| stephenwalli | hey, folks | 19:02 |
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| geoffarnold | I'm here for Product WG, and I'm on the audio bridge too | 19:03 |
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| stephenwalli | same here … :0) … | 19:03 |
| geoffarnold | Ah, but wait... | 19:03 |
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| MeganR | Isn't that meeting at 4 now? | 19:04 |
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| sgordon | MeganR, not according to the wiki | 19:04 |
| sgordon | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 19:05 |
| sgordon | i wont be shocked if i go to eavesdrop and it says something else | 19:05 |
| cloudrancher | Hello Jay is on here and on the bridge | 19:05 |
| stephenwalli | Carol sent around notification this morning that still claimed 20:00 UTC ... | 19:06 |
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| cloudrancher | I guess we jumped the gun. See you in one hour | 19:07 |
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| nateziemann | has the productWG meetings moved one hour later now? | 19:08 |
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| stephenwalli | Back ... | 20:01 |
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| geoffarnold | Ready for ProductWG? | 20:01 |
| philipw | geoffarnold: indeed | 20:01 |
| barrett | Yes | 20:02 |
| barrett | #startmeeting Product Work Group | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 14 20:02:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_work_group' | 20:02 |
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| SheenaG | Hey guys - I'm here but only lurking on IRC since I'm in another meeting for work | 20:02 |
| barrett | roll call, pls | 20:02 |
| stephenwalli | I’m using Colloquy on a Mac. | 20:02 |
| barrett | Good to have you Sheena | 20:02 |
| barrett | I use Pidgin on Windows | 20:03 |
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| SheenaG | +1 to Pidgin on Windows | 20:03 |
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| geoffarnold | Textual5 on Mac | 20:03 |
| kencjohn_ | o/ Here | 20:03 |
| cloudrancher | Jay is on the irc and on bridge | 20:04 |
| stephenwalli | Both | 20:04 |
| geoffarnold | o/ on both | 20:04 |
| philipw | both | 20:04 |
| MeganR | o/ on both | 20:04 |
| pchadwick | both | 20:04 |
| kencjohn_ | SheenaG Do you have dialin info? | 20:04 |
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| barrett | Great - The agenda for today is: | 20:04 |
| barrett | Volunteers Needed! | 20:04 |
| barrett | User Story team updates - User Story Teams, CPLs | 20:04 |
| barrett | Timeline Review – Carol · Opens - All | 20:05 |
| barrett | any other topics we want to make sure we reserve time for? | 20:05 |
| kencjohn_ | Voice: Access: (888) 875-9370, Bridge: 3; Passcode: 1278598 | 20:05 |
| barrett | #topic: Volunteers needed | 20:05 |
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| barrett | CPLs needed: Neutron, Ceilometer, Manila | 20:06 |
| geoffarnold | Just for the record (I already told Shamail) that for the next week or two I'm not going to be able to do much for ProductWG, because of both personal and work related priorities. Apologies... | 20:06 |
| Shamail | Hi everyone (sorry I am here but partially AFK)... I am only able to join via IRC today. | 20:07 |
| pchadwick | I will tentatively handle Manila | 20:07 |
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| Shamail | pchadwick: if you are willing to cover Manila as CPL would you be fine with covering it for roadmap too? | 20:07 |
| kencjohn_ | link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam#Cross_Project_Liaisons | 20:07 |
| barrett | Pete volunteers for Manila - Thanks! | 20:08 |
| barrett | Any volunteers for Ceilometer? | 20:08 |
| Shamail | geoffarnold: understood sir! all the best. | 20:08 |
| pchadwick | @Shamail - modulo not knowing what it takes yet, yes. | 20:08 |
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| Shamail | pchadwick: thanks, we will cover it later and you can revisit your answer. | 20:08 |
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| cloudrancher | For those only on IRC we are discussing resposibilities of the CPLs | 20:10 |
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| barrett | Krish Raghuram raised his hand for the Ceilometer CPL | 20:12 |
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| barrett | Shamail - can you forward the meeting inite for the roadmap updates to Pete? And the notes from last weeks meeting too? | 20:13 |
| barrett | Our CPL needs are covered for now! | 20:14 |
| Shamail | Absolutely. Can you please assign an action? I can send it this evening. | 20:14 |
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| barrett | Next area we need some volunteers is aroudn the Roadmap Updadte | 20:14 |
| barrett | Shamail - So you want cover this? | 20:14 |
| Shamail | Can you please lead barrett? I am IRC only so it might be difficult | 20:14 |
| barrett | OK | 20:14 |
| Shamail | The last email contained status, action items (and deadlines) | 20:15 |
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| barrett | We are looking for folks to work with the PTLs for: Heat, Trove, Ceilometer, TripleO, Sahara and designate | 20:15 |
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| barrett | The working team has developed an interview guide that you can use in discussions with PTLs | 20:16 |
| barrett | Timing is important - we're targeting to get the basic information for the refresh by the end of this week! | 20:16 |
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| cloudrancher | Anybody that has a relationship with the PTLs would be extreemly helpful | 20:17 |
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| Shamail | The OpenStack Foundation has some dependencies on this work-stream, hence the urgency. Sorry in advance for the rushed schedule. | 20:17 |
| cloudrancher | Time sensative - We really need people to work on this week | 20:18 |
| barrett | Kenny Johnston is raising is hand for Heat and Designate!! | 20:18 |
| cloudrancher | +1 Kenny | 20:18 |
| barrett | Shamail - Same request on sending info, meeting invite, etc to Kenny | 20:18 |
| barrett | Any other volunteers? | 20:19 |
| kencjohn_ | I only raise my hand to things where I don't know what I'm getting in to :) | 20:19 |
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| Shamail | Will do. LOL kencjohn_ | 20:19 |
| cloudrancher | story of my life | 20:19 |
| pchadwick | @kencjohn +1 | 20:19 |
| Shamail | That could be written as the most interesting man in the world meme. | 20:19 |
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| barrett | Krish Raghurm raised his hand for Ceilometer | 20:20 |
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| Shamail | barrett: should I just sent out the status to the mailing list? | 20:20 |
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| Shamail | barrett: please send me info on new roadmap volunteers because I don't want to add the whole ML to the invite | 20:20 |
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| barrett | Shamail: Will do! | 20:20 |
| Shamail | barrett: thanks! | 20:20 |
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| cloudrancher | I'm traveling - I can't do much this week | 20:21 |
| cloudrancher | I'm in South Africa | 20:21 |
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| barrett | cloudrancher: Gotha | 20:21 |
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| barrett | OK - we've got a couple of areas we still need coverage on, but let's move on for now | 20:22 |
| Shamail | Safe travels cloudrancher | 20:22 |
| barrett | Let's talk about User Stories | 20:22 |
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| barrett | from our mid-cycle, we recruited/assigned for most, but think we may need some more resources | 20:23 |
| barrett | The 1st one is Lifecycle Management | 20:24 |
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| barrett | I think we need to bring another resource or 2 to this team to make sure we're on track for Mitaka design summit | 20:24 |
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| Shamail | barrett: +1 | 20:24 |
| barrett | Any folks have some cycles for this? | 20:24 |
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| barrett | If we can't resource the User Story, then we'll depriortize it for this cycle | 20:26 |
| barrett | We can shift resources, but don't want to disrupt existing teams | 20:27 |
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| barrett | There's some connection between OnBoarding and Lifecycle Management.... | 20:28 |
| cloudrancher | I'll shift to IRC | 20:29 |
| barrett | The next one is Capacity/Quota Management | 20:29 |
| barrett | Anyone interested in leading this? | 20:29 |
| cloudrancher | The relationship is that managing/unmanaging can be used in upgrades to unmanage VMs from the old release and then onboard(manage) to the new release | 20:30 |
| DericHorn-HP | Not leading, but there is interest in participating from some colleages at HP | 20:30 |
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| barrett | OK - I'll float this out on the ML with notes from today's meeting. If there are no volunteers, then I think we need to put these user stories below the line. | 20:30 |
| barrett | #action Carol to send out meeting notes to ML and ask for volunteers | 20:31 |
| Shamail | thanks barrett | 20:31 |
| barrett | #topic User Story Team Updates | 20:31 |
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| barrett | Kenny's update for Upgrades: He's synching with the Rolling Upgrades work in the Enterprise WG | 20:32 |
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| barrett | Starting on Gap analysis, resource commit and blueprint drafting | 20:32 |
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| barrett | We're 6 week from the Design Summit, I think we need BPs in no more than 4 weeks | 20:33 |
| barrett | Who has resources that are planning to work on Upgrades that can work with Kenny? | 20:34 |
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| barrett | OnBoard Apps User Story: Deric Update: Team meeting last week, started drafting BPs. Next Step is to review with developers | 20:36 |
| barrett | Once they get feedback on them, they will figure out the next steps | 20:36 |
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| Shamail | I have to drop off, apologies. I will review the notes! | 20:38 |
| Shamail | Take care. | 20:38 |
| stephenwalli | Ciao | 20:38 |
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| barrett | For Feedback: Pls join the Cattle & Pets team meeting from the Enterprise WG | 20:38 |
| barrett | #action: Forward meeting invite to Deric and Jay | 20:38 |
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| barrett | #topic Timeline Review | 20:40 |
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| cloudrancher | Onboarding - We have skeleton blueprint being circulated in the team | 20:40 |
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| barrett | Roadmap Update; Need to complete the PTL discussions by 9/18 | 20:40 |
| cloudrancher | want to intelock with cattle and pets team tomorrow | 20:41 |
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| barrett | User Stories: Need to have blueprints drafted for community review/disussion by 10/2 | 20:41 |
| barrett | Roadmap Session in Tokyo: Draft of Content buy 10/9 and final 10/23 | 20:42 |
| barrett | Product WG methodology and how to get involved session: Draft of Content buy 10/9 and final 10/23 | 20:43 |
| barrett | Shamail: Is that the right name? | 20:43 |
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| barrett | Lots to get done!! | 20:44 |
| cloudrancher | Lots! | 20:44 |
| barrett | Any questions on this? Ideas on how work through the deliverables? | 20:44 |
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| cloudrancher | I would suggest that we publish meeting time a couple of days in advance | 20:45 |
| barrett | We have light attendance on this call - we need to recruit more active contributors to this WG. | 20:45 |
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| cloudrancher | right | 20:46 |
| barrett | We can take a 2 prong attack: Get more resources from the participating companies; Get new companies providing resources! | 20:47 |
| SheenaG | barrett: I'm trying to corral more of my teammates, I'll be happy to send them notes from this meeting to solicit more involvement | 20:47 |
| cloudrancher | area for improvement - earlier notice and calendar invist | 20:47 |
| cloudrancher | invites | 20:47 |
| barrett | #action: Carol to sendout calendar meeting notice; and meeting agendas/reminders earlier. | 20:47 |
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| kencjohn_ | SheenaG +1, I'll do the same at Rackspace | 20:47 |
| SheenaG | barrett: I have 3 folks who have volunteered to attend Tokyo PWG/Ops sessions, so they might be able to help in the prep | 20:47 |
| cloudrancher | thanks! | 20:47 |
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| cloudrancher | Barrett +1 | 20:48 |
| barrett | SheenaG: That would be great!! Can you bring them into the Roadmap meeting on Thursday? | 20:48 |
| barrett | Any other thoughts/Suggestions on this? | 20:48 |
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| barrett | #topic Opens | 20:48 |
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| cloudrancher | Nothing for me | 20:49 |
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| barrett | Anyone have anything to pass along to the team? OpenStack updates or happenings? | 20:49 |
| pchadwick | nothing from me | 20:49 |
| cloudrancher | yes | 20:49 |
| pchadwick | yes | 20:49 |
| barrett | Is everyone on the call/irc planning to be in Tokyo? | 20:49 |
| kencjohn_ | ye | 20:49 |
| geoffarnold | yes | 20:49 |
| philipw | yeah | 20:49 |
| MeganR | Not certain | 20:50 |
| SheenaG | I will not be there :-( | 20:50 |
| DericHorn-HP | yes | 20:50 |
| SheenaG | But you guys will likely get my boss, which is like...a better, balder version of me | 20:50 |
| SheenaG | :-) | 20:50 |
| kencjohn_ | hughhalf - from Rackspace will also be there | 20:50 |
| barrett | Pretty good set of folks! Hope you can make it Megan! Sheena- We will miss you! | 20:50 |
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| barrett | kencjohn +1 | 20:50 |
| cloudrancher | SheenaG - Better /= balder | 20:50 |
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| barrett | If there's nothing else for us to cover, let's wrap-up | 20:51 |
| MeganR | Thank you! | 20:51 |
| pchadwick | bye | 20:51 |
| cloudrancher | night night! | 20:51 |
| stephenwalli | Thanks, Barol | 20:51 |
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| barrett | #endmeeting | 20:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 14 20:51:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_work_group/2015/product_work_group.2015-09-14-20.02.html | 20:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_work_group/2015/product_work_group.2015-09-14-20.02.txt | 20:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_work_group/2015/product_work_group.2015-09-14-20.02.log.html | 20:51 |
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| salv-orl_ | aloha clowns | 20:58 |
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| * mestery drives the clown car over here for the Neutron meeting | 20:58 | |
| * HenryG honks | 20:59 | |
| Sukhdev | ola | 20:59 |
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| xgerman | \me waves | 20:59 |
| emagana | minions! | 20:59 |
| emagana | and hi btw. | 20:59 |
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| haleyb | hi | 20:59 |
| yamamoto | hi | 20:59 |
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| hichihara | hi | 20:59 |
| tidwellr | hi | 20:59 |
| annp | hi | 21:00 |
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| yamahata | hello | 21:00 |
| pc_m | hi | 21:00 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 14 21:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
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| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:00 |
| blogan | hello | 21:00 |
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| mestery | We've got a mostly liberty-rc1 focused agenda for today, so lets get started! | 21:00 |
| kevinbenton | hi | 21:00 |
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| mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:00 |
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| armax | yello | 21:00 |
| njohnston | hi | 21:00 |
| ajmiller | Hi | 21:00 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty#OpenStack_Liberty_Release_Notes Liberty Release Notes | 21:00 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:00 |
| fitoduarte | hi | 21:00 |
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| markmcclain | o/ | 21:01 |
| mestery | #info Please continue adding high quality release notes to the release notes page | 21:01 |
| neiljerram_bb | o/ | 21:01 |
| beagles | o/ | 21:01 |
| mestery | My thanks to those of you who have already plastered stuff on that page! Way to go! | 21:01 |
| vichoward | o/ | 21:01 |
| hoangcx | Hi | 21:01 |
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| mestery | #info The Tempest plugin interface is now ready! | 21:01 |
| emagana | mestery: is there a plan to move release notes into openstack-manuals? | 21:01 |
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| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201955/ An example change using this | 21:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 21:01 |
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| mestery | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/plugin.html Documentation for Tempest plugin | 21:01 |
| mestery | emagana: I don't think so, those stay on the wiki page per past releases | 21:02 |
| emagana | mestery: should we move them? | 21:02 |
| ajo | hi :) | 21:02 |
| emagana | mestery: correction.. copy them | 21:02 |
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| mestery | emagana: Copying them is fine, but I'd wait a bit, we still have more to add | 21:02 |
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| emagana | mestery: roger that! | 21:02 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_September_2015 PTL Elections have begun! | 21:03 |
| mestery | #info I encourage anyone interested in running for Neutron PTL to throw their hat into the ring! | 21:03 |
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| mestery | We have a deep bench of leadership | 21:03 |
| mestery | The next PTL is gonna be awesome :) | 21:03 |
| mestery | Any other announcements for the team? | 21:03 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: i was confused about your candidacy email. it made it sound like you weren't going to run | 21:03 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: lol | 21:03 |
| russellb | kevinbenton: lol | 21:03 |
| ajo | kevinbenton lol | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | haha | 21:03 |
| * Sukhdev salutes to outgoing PTL for awesome job he has done | 21:04 | |
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| mestery | Also note: You can nominate someone else, that person has to +1 the nomination | 21:04 |
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| russellb | mestery: thanks for everything, mestery! You've left the project in great shape | 21:04 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: thanks :) | 21:04 |
| ajo | yes, you have | 21:04 |
| emagana | russellb: +1 | 21:04 |
| blogan | hear hear | 21:04 |
| mestery | russellb: I'm just doing the final walkthrough before turning the keys over :) | 21:04 |
| salv-orl_ | kevinbenton: I think there is a bylaw for which if nobody runs the old PTL stays in charge indefinetely until one is found | 21:04 |
| rossella_s | yes indeed! thanks Kyle, Neutron community is so much better now | 21:04 |
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| mestery | salv-orl_: Wait, no one told me that! | 21:05 |
| ajo | salv-orl_: lol :) | 21:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | moo. | 21:05 |
| mestery | Any other announcements for the team? | 21:05 |
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| russellb | in all seriousness, if nobody runs, it falls to the TC to find and designate someone | 21:05 |
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| russellb | not that i expect that to happen here ... | 21:05 |
| russellb | i think people are just holding off to build up suspense | 21:05 |
| russellb | :) | 21:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | looks like mike perez is freeing himself up :) | 21:05 |
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| mestery | :) | 21:05 |
| carl_baldwin | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/resolutions/20141128-elections-process-for-leaderless-programs.rst | 21:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | ;) | 21:06 |
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| mestery | russellb: As the outgoing PTL, I'd be happy to provide a list of names to the TC should that happen :) | 21:06 |
| mestery | Thanks carl_baldwin | 21:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | mestery: carl first? | 21:06 |
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| russellb | mestery: the appointee has to agree though :( | 21:06 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: Please, nominate carl_baldwin! Anyone can nominate anyone else | 21:06 |
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| mestery | russellb: That's no fun :( | 21:06 |
| mlavalle | Sam-I-Am: ++ | 21:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | mestery: he's sitting next to me | 21:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm waiting to get punched | 21:06 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: lol | 21:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | there | 21:07 |
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| Sukhdev | Sam-I-Am :-) | 21:07 |
| mestery | Seriously folks, we have many great leaders in our community! I know we'll support whoever becomes the next PTL and Neutron will continue to rock! | 21:07 |
| mestery | OK | 21:07 |
| mestery | Lets move along now :) | 21:07 |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:07 |
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| mestery | I know ... BUGS :( | 21:07 |
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| ajo | damn bugs :) | 21:07 |
| mestery | First up | 21:07 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1484148 | 21:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1484148 in neutron "neutronclient gate broken following VPNaaS infra changes" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Paul Michali (pcm) | 21:07 |
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| armax | bugs: the life of this community | 21:07 |
| mestery | pc_m: Looks like this one is under control? | 21:08 |
| mestery | armax: lifeblood! | 21:08 |
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| pc_m | mestery: yes. Just need reviews. | 21:08 |
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| mestery | pc_m: I voted positively on your infra review | 21:08 |
| mestery | Looks like you need that one first | 21:08 |
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| pc_m | Doesn't need to be critical, as there is a workaround (disabled tests) | 21:08 |
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| mestery | pc_m: OK, bumping down! :) | 21:08 |
| pc_m | mestery: yes. thanks | 21:08 |
| mestery | Next up | 21:09 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1477192 | 21:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1477192 in neutron "neutron test_multi_prefix_slaac failing in the gate with ping failures starting around 7/22" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Henry Gessau (gessau) | 21:09 |
| HenryG | I took an initiall look | 21:09 |
| mestery | HenryG: Thanks for correcting me on there :) | 21:09 |
| mestery | HenryG: I don't know if this one deservers to be high based on your input. Thoughts? | 21:09 |
| HenryG | It's not as bad as the query lets on | 21:09 |
| mestery | Right | 21:09 |
| mestery | Maybe it's medium? | 21:09 |
| HenryG | probably | 21:09 |
| mestery | Sold! | 21:09 |
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| HenryG | But there is a problem in there somewhere, that needs looking at | 21:09 |
| mestery | HenryG: Thanks! | 21:09 |
| mestery | Moving on | 21:10 |
| * mestery nods | 21:10 | |
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| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1439696 | 21:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439696 in neutron "Referencing a lb-healthmonitor ID for the first time from Heat would fail" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Doug Wiegley (dougwig) | 21:10 |
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| mestery | dougwig: I'm not sure this deserves to be high, do you agree? | 21:10 |
| mestery | dougwig: It's been sitting here for a while now | 21:10 |
| xgerman | Medium | 21:10 |
| mestery | xgerman: Sold! | 21:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | doug says it doesnt need t be high | 21:11 |
| mestery | dougwig is predisposed at the QA midcycle now, so lets move along | 21:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | he's standing here | 21:11 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: Thanks! | 21:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | should be joining shortly | 21:11 |
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| mestery | Sam-I-Am: Tell him he's up for this one too | 21:11 |
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| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1163569 | 21:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1163569 in neutron "security groups don't work with vip and ovs plugin" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Doug Wiegley (dougwig) | 21:11 |
| mestery | This one has a security note attached which lifeless was curious to have someone from Neutron look at. | 21:11 |
| mestery | Hoping dougwig can verify this yet | 21:11 |
| kevinbenton | that bug is older than i am | 21:11 |
| mestery | lol | 21:11 |
| xgerman | sc68cal ? | 21:11 |
| kevinbenton | i don't understand how it's been sitting there that long | 21:11 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: To be fair, you're like 14, right? | 21:12 |
| sc68cal | hmm? | 21:12 |
| dougwig | we havent looked yet. bad devs, no biscuit. | 21:12 |
| xgerman | sc68cal SH is our wheelouse | 21:12 |
| mestery | dougwig: Can you eyeball this one closer this week yet when you get a moment? | 21:12 |
| xgerman | SG | 21:12 |
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| mestery | xgerman: Yes, sc68cal looking would be great too | 21:12 |
| mestery | sc68cal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1163569 | 21:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1163569 in neutron "security groups don't work with vip and ovs plugin" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Doug Wiegley (dougwig) | 21:12 |
| dougwig | mestery: yes, hopefully i can delegate that eyeball, but yes. | 21:12 |
| * sc68cal adds to his trello | 21:13 | |
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| mestery | :) | 21:13 |
| mestery | OK, moving on | 21:13 |
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| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1491131 | 21:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491131 in neutron kilo "Ipset race condition" [High,New] | 21:13 |
| mestery | This one was reported by an actual operator! | 21:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | we have those? | 21:13 |
| mestery | Looks like ZZelle__ assigned it to himself | 21:13 |
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| ZZelle__ | mestery, yes, that's my tomorrow job | 21:14 |
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| ajo | yikes, I forgot to follow up | 21:14 |
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| ajo | I see shihanzhang came with a few patches that can be backported to kilo | 21:14 |
| mestery | ajo: :) | 21:14 |
| mestery | ajo: Excellent! | 21:14 |
| mestery | ajo: Can you propose those ones if they aren't already proposed? | 21:14 |
| ajo | I didn't see ocurrences of what the operator saw in logstash | 21:14 |
| ajo | but that doesn't mean it's not in kilo | 21:14 |
| ajo | mestery: I will | 21:15 |
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| mestery | ajo: AWesome sir, thanks :) | 21:15 |
| mestery | Does anyone have any bugs for the team to talk about this week? | 21:15 |
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| armax | mestery: well | 21:15 |
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| armax | we should inform the group that DVR job went back to non-voting | 21:15 |
| * mestery straps in for the armax bug assault | 21:15 | |
| armax | Swami: ^^ | 21:16 |
| mestery | #info the DVR job is non-voting again :( | 21:16 |
| mestery | armax: tl;dr for the team? | 21:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's an email going around | 21:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | sc68cal: ^ | 21:16 |
| armax | carl_baldwin, dougwig, sc68cal and ryan would tell you more | 21:16 |
| sc68cal | yep, sent it about 30 mins ago for people to review | 21:16 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074433.html | 21:16 |
| mestery | sc68cal: ^^^ | 21:16 |
| armax | they were the ones charging the coup | 21:16 |
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| dougwig | off with its head. | 21:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | is this all dvr jobs or just dvr-multi? | 21:17 |
| Swami | armax: hi | 21:17 |
| dougwig | more seriously, we have some work to do, as a team, to make sure our jobs are stable. and since dvr has merged, it is our responsibility. if we don't want that, it needs to be out. | 21:17 |
| pc_m | #info VPN functional tests for Neutron commits is upstreamed as experimental job | 21:17 |
| mestery | dougwig: Spoken like a true PTL! :) | 21:17 |
| ajo | I'm cleaning up the QoS house with this: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486039, but you will see me pushing for a refactor just in front, to avoid fixing the same thing twice in different qos drivers.. | 21:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1486039 in neutron "Setting a policy to a network will limit the router/dhcp/net-device ports, that's not expected" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Angel Ajo (mangelajo) | 21:17 |
| mestery | ajo: Ack | 21:17 |
| ajo | I know is a bit late in the cycle to be doing refactors, but I guess QoS is experimental, and not a bad thing to cleanup asap | 21:18 |
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| mestery | ajo: +1000.5 | 21:18 |
| mestery | Any other bugs for the team? | 21:18 |
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| mestery | armax: You have another few up your sleeve today? | 21:18 |
| ZZelle__ | Do we need such feature in Liberty? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221508 | 21:18 |
| armax | dougwig: yes, that applies to any job, dvr, functional, api, etc | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | nice to see a lot of linuxbridge stuff has been addressed | 21:18 |
| armax | mestery: no I am good | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm currently reworking the install guide to use it | 21:19 |
| mestery | armax: ack | 21:19 |
| armax | I did my bug scrub during the past few days | 21:19 |
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| mestery | ZZelle__: I'm on the fence there, lets iterate on the review for that one | 21:19 |
| armax | I am content | 21:19 |
| mestery | armax: That's because you're awesome. | 21:19 |
| ajo | ZZelle__, what's the thing, which bridges don't we clean now? | 21:19 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: LB with provider networks? | 21:19 |
| russellb | (the install guide i mean) | 21:19 |
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| ZZelle__ | mestery, ok | 21:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | russellb: yes, and augmenting that arch to do l3 things | 21:20 |
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| russellb | Sam-I-Am: cool | 21:20 |
| mestery | OK, lets slide along into the next section .. | 21:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | will talk about it more in a bit here | 21:20 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:20 |
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| mestery | emagana: hi there! | 21:20 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: Also, hi there | 21:20 |
| emagana | mestery: Hi! | 21:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah... like here :) | 21:20 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: You see what I did there? | 21:20 |
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| emagana | All the open reviews for IPv6 have been completed. Thanks! | 21:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 21:20 |
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| sc68cal | yaaaaaay | 21:21 |
| ZZelle__ | ajo, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1328546 | 21:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1328546 in neutron "Race condition when hard rebooting instance" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Li Ma (nick-ma-z) | 21:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | whats ipv6? | 21:21 |
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| emagana | Working on the sub-chapter for QoS hoping to get a lot of help from ajo | 21:21 |
| ajo | yes emagana , thanks, that will help a lot, | 21:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | docs are good | 21:21 |
| mestery | awesome! Thanks emagana and ajo! | 21:21 |
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| ajo | emagana, just fighting the last life of qos bugs to jump into it, | 21:21 |
| emagana | ajo: I will get more staff between today and tomorrow.. wait for my next patch | 21:22 |
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| ajo | emagana+++++++++ | 21:22 |
| emagana | mestery: I will review the release notes and make sure we have some coverage in the networking guide | 21:22 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am and sc68cal Do you guys want to add something? | 21:23 |
| mestery | emagana: Awesome! In particular, RBAC networks, QoS and pluggable IPAM are probably worthy of documentation notes | 21:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | emagana: yeah | 21:23 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin kevinbenton ajo: ^^^ | 21:23 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: go for it! | 21:23 |
| ajo | +1 :) | 21:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm working on the installation guide changes to make linuxbridge go in liberty | 21:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221560/ | 21:23 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: nice nice nice! | 21:23 |
| sc68cal | advanced services need docs in the networking guide | 21:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | here's the plan... | 21:23 |
| sc68cal | *cough* fwaas ;) | 21:23 |
| mestery | sc68cal: I'm going to add a release note there | 21:24 |
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| xgerman | e\\\yep | 21:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's only one architecture... two nodes, two network interfaces per node | 21:24 |
| mestery | indicating we're rebooting it and will remove the existing API in Mitaka | 21:24 |
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| mestery | That sound right? | 21:24 |
| mestery | xgerman sc68cal : ^^^^ | 21:24 |
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| xgerman | yes | 21:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | this way no one has to choose a particular arch based on hardware limitations | 21:24 |
| mestery | cool | 21:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | we start people out with provider networks, then optionally let them add L3 support | 21:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | if they have L3 support, they can use both provider and project networks | 21:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | this also solves the common gripe of 'why cant i launch a vm on the ext/public net' when they used the neutron arch | 21:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | now it supports both... with less hardware | 21:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i've tested the new arch and it works | 21:26 |
| ajo | cool :) | 21:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hopefully we can get the patches written and merged in a couple of weeks | 21:26 |
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| kevinbenton | Sam-I-Am: i'm not following | 21:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | kevinbenton: que? | 21:26 |
| kevinbenton | Sam-I-Am: what patches? neutron should have supported this for a long time | 21:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | kevinbenton: docs patches | 21:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | upstream install guide | 21:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | neutron is fine :) | 21:27 |
| kevinbenton | Sam-I-Am: oh, i see | 21:27 |
| * mestery quotes Sam-I-Am | 21:27 | |
| Sam-I-Am | haha | 21:27 |
| ajo | :) lol | 21:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | * for various kinds of neutron | 21:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we will point users of the install guide to the networking guide for more details | 21:28 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: ++ | 21:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | rather, more production-worthy archs | 21:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | now that we have it | 21:28 |
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| mestery | Sam-I-Am: That's a good goal, thanks for that! | 21:28 |
| mestery | Looks like lots of awesome work going on the docs area. Thanks emagana and Sam-I-Am! | 21:28 |
| sc68cal | +++ | 21:29 |
| * russellb is very thankful for folks working on docs :) | 21:29 | |
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| mestery | russellb: +1000.5 | 21:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure thing | 21:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | getting there... | 21:29 |
| mestery | :) | 21:29 |
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| emagana | nothing else from me!! | 21:29 |
| mestery | OK, lets move along to the meat of the meeting. | 21:29 |
| mestery | #topic Liberty-RC1 | 21:29 |
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| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/liberty-rc1 | 21:29 |
| mestery | Lets see where we're at | 21:30 |
| mestery | BPs: 5 down, 7 to go | 21:30 |
| mestery | #info Blueprints: 5 down, 7 to go | 21:30 |
| mestery | Not bad | 21:30 |
| mestery | First up | 21:30 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/lbaas-ref-octavia | 21:30 |
| mestery | xgerman: This is on track yet for this week? | 21:30 |
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| xgerman | YES | 21:30 |
| johnsom | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223265/1 | 21:30 |
| dougwig | octavia as ref is done, just needs to be enabled in our devstack plugin. | 21:30 |
| mestery | AWESOME! | 21:30 |
| xgerman | one patch missing, some bugs | 21:30 |
| mestery | MOAR LBAAS! | 21:30 |
| mestery | That was easy. Thanks dougwig and xgerman | 21:30 |
| xgerman | yep | 21:31 |
| mestery | Next up | 21:31 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/wsgi-pecan-switch | 21:31 |
| dougwig | all props to the octavia folks. | 21:31 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: MOAR PECAN! | 21:31 |
| sc68cal | +++++ | 21:31 |
| kevinbenton | patch for bulk up late tonight/early tomorrow | 21:31 |
| kevinbenton | then merge | 21:31 |
| mestery | I think this one can land this week once kevinbenton completes MOAR BULK support | 21:31 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Thank you! | 21:31 |
| mestery | Next up | 21:31 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/external-dns-resolution | 21:31 |
| mestery | mlavalle: This one needs a respin and then maybe it's good? | 21:31 |
| mestery | I know carl_baldwin has been following it very closely | 21:31 |
| * carl_baldwin needs to check up on it. | 21:32 | |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: I think it's a small patch which mlavalle is addressing a few final nits | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | mestery: ok, will do | 21:32 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Awesome! | 21:32 |
| mestery | Our first possibly contentious BP | 21:32 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/add-availability-zone | 21:32 |
| armax | I had a pass | 21:33 |
| hichihara | armax: Can you review again? | 21:33 |
| mestery | russellb armax: I know you two had looked at this one | 21:33 |
| armax | hichihara: will do | 21:33 |
| mestery | Thanks armax! | 21:33 |
| mestery | armax: Early thoughts? | 21:33 |
| hichihara | awesome | 21:33 |
| mestery | What shape is it in? | 21:33 |
| armax | it needed some work when I looked at it | 21:33 |
| * russellb thought he might review at night last week, but never had the energy | 21:33 | |
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| russellb | i was traveling all week | 21:33 |
| armax | amotoki also looked at it | 21:33 |
| mestery | no worries russellb | 21:33 |
| mestery | armax: Cool! | 21:33 |
| mestery | OK, lets leave it targeted at this point. | 21:33 |
| russellb | i did look today and it seemed like there was more coming? | 21:33 |
| mestery | We've still got another week until potential RCs are cut | 21:34 |
| armax | we’ll look at it again…but I got nervous when I looked at it | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | mestery: I've also looked at it too | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | armax: ++ | 21:34 |
| mestery | Thanks markmcclain, looks like this one has plenty of coverage :) | 21:34 |
| mestery | Awesome! | 21:34 |
| russellb | how bad would it be if it missed? | 21:34 |
| ajo | 1I will try to run a pass too | 21:34 |
| hichihara | Thanks folks | 21:34 |
| mestery | MOAR AVAILABILTY ZONES! | 21:34 |
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| mestery | :) | 21:34 |
| kevinbenton | russellb: neutron would be cancelled | 21:34 |
| russellb | kevinbenton: oh ok | 21:34 |
| mestery | Please folks, save some energy for ... | 21:34 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/vlan-aware-vms | 21:34 |
| mestery | VLAN aware VMs | 21:34 |
| mestery | That's right | 21:34 |
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| mlavalle | mestery: can we revisit #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/external-dns-resolution? | 21:35 |
| russellb | just feels like the point where we look for things to say no to instead of doing anything risky this late | 21:35 |
| mestery | russellb: ++ | 21:35 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: We can indeed! What is your case for that one? | 21:35 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: doesn't vlan-aware VMs require a nova change? | 21:35 |
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| markmcclain | russellb: ++ | 21:35 |
| russellb | avail zones is pretty invasive | 21:35 |
| russellb | so i'd be inclined to bump it ... and i apologize for not reviewing faster | 21:35 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Yes, but even outside that, my gut says no at this point | 21:35 |
| mestery | russellb: ++ | 21:36 |
| mlavalle | mestery: functionality is veru advanced. Problem is the gate.... we need neutron with designate to be able to approve it | 21:36 |
| mestery | armax: Thoughts on bumping avail zones? | 21:36 |
| salv-orl_ | I've never been a great fan of that avail zones work | 21:36 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Yikes | 21:36 |
| mestery | mlavalle: This late in the cycle? | 21:36 |
| salv-orl_ | so yes, if my opinion is worth anything that's something I'd bump | 21:36 |
| armax | it depends how the suggestions have been addressed | 21:36 |
| mestery | the case against avail zones is building ... | 21:36 |
| kevinbenton | mestery: well if it needs nova changes then there is completely no point in merging | 21:36 |
| mlavalle | mestery: I am working with Kiall, the designate ptl to get that fixed | 21:36 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Aye aye captain, it's out! | 21:36 |
| russellb | i don't think it needs nova changes | 21:36 |
| armax | mestery: if work had been done not so invasively merging it now wouldn’t be a problem | 21:36 |
| russellb | but how far along is it? | 21:36 |
| russellb | actually ready? | 21:36 |
| armax | need to see how the author addressed my comments | 21:37 |
| mestery | russellb: Patches were propsed 3 weeks ago ... | 21:37 |
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| mestery | armax: Sounds like you're not in favor either | 21:37 |
| russellb | it doesn't need nova changes if you just create the ports in advance and pass the trunk port to nova (in theory) | 21:37 |
| russellb | but i haven't looked at hte latest code :) | 21:37 |
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| mestery | :) | 21:37 |
| russellb | if it's not implemented that way, i'd -1 | 21:37 |
| armax | I haven’t looked the new patchsets | 21:37 |
| mlavalle | mestery: can I ping you Wednesday or Thursday to see how much progress we get this week? | 21:37 |
| mestery | ++ | 21:37 |
| armax | but the entire code was proposed | 21:37 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Lets do it! I'll eave it there for now | 21:37 |
| mestery | *leave | 21:37 |
| mlavalle | mestery: :-) | 21:37 |
| salv-orl_ | my 2p is that they way they're built currently, they're not going to be useful for operators. | 21:37 |
| mestery | salv-orl_: vlan trunk ports? | 21:38 |
| russellb | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/vlan-aware-vms,n,z | 21:38 |
| salv-orl_ | sorry I was still talking about av zones | 21:38 |
| russellb | they are all set workflow -1 | 21:38 |
| mestery | :) | 21:38 |
| salv-orl_ | did not noticed you moved one | 21:38 |
| salv-orl_ | on | 21:38 |
| mestery | russellb: That seals it then | 21:38 |
| russellb | yeah we're talking about 3 at once i think | 21:38 |
| mestery | #info VLAN aware VMs is out of Liberty | 21:38 |
| * salv-orl_ a wave rage awaits mestery | 21:39 | |
| russellb | to be clear, i'm a fan of that feature though | 21:39 |
| russellb | just seems too late | 21:39 |
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| kevinbenton | russellb: yes | 21:39 |
| ajo | russellb: +1 | 21:39 |
| emagana | russellb: Well, we have our first pririty for M | 21:39 |
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| mestery | OK | 21:39 |
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| emagana | priority* | 21:39 |
| armax | we are always fun of features, it’s the code we’re not so fond of | 21:39 |
| ajo | emagana: that makes sense :) | 21:39 |
| mestery | On to avail zones now ... | 21:39 |
| mestery | That one also out? | 21:40 |
| russellb | armax: :) | 21:40 |
| mestery | Seemed like the team was headed that way | 21:40 |
| russellb | if it was just waiting on getting through the gate or something, that'd be one thing | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | I think delaying makes sense | 21:40 |
| armax | as dougwig pointed out, the onus is on the team to bear the cost | 21:40 |
| mestery | Right | 21:40 |
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| mestery | Exactly | 21:40 |
| mestery | armax: Words to live by | 21:40 |
| russellb | it's invasive, and it's RC1 time | 21:40 |
| russellb | i'd bump it | 21:40 |
| mestery | yes | 21:40 |
| armax | I have that tatooed on my right arm | 21:40 |
| salv-orl_ | bump looks good for me | 21:41 |
| armax | the whole phrase | 21:41 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: "i'd bump it"? | 21:41 |
| russellb | and again, i think the feature is OK ... but don't see a need to rush it | 21:41 |
| armax | kevinbenton: yes, that one | 21:41 |
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| mestery | It's out | 21:41 |
| mestery | Next up | 21:41 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/add-port-timestamp | 21:41 |
| mestery | I added this one back in today | 21:41 |
| mestery | Because it was approved and slipped the cracks | 21:41 |
| mestery | But the lone Neutron patch out for review | 21:42 |
| mestery | indicates it only partially implements | 21:42 |
| mestery | so .... | 21:42 |
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| armax | mestery: there’s no code posted for it | 21:42 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213586/ | 21:42 |
| armax | afaik | 21:42 |
| mestery | armax: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213586/ | 21:42 |
| armax | oops | 21:42 |
| mestery | armax: And https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220804/ | 21:42 |
| mestery | :) | 21:42 |
| armax | well…there’s no sane code posted for it | 21:42 |
| mestery | armax: Taht may be tru | 21:43 |
| russellb | partially-implements ? | 21:43 |
| mestery | *true | 21:43 |
| mestery | I know | 21:43 |
| mestery | russellb: My concern as well :( | 21:43 |
| HenryG | I think we should talk more with the api-wg first | 21:43 |
| mestery | Thus my question in the review | 21:43 |
| russellb | HenryG: ++ | 21:43 |
| mestery | HenryG: We have salv-orl_ for that | 21:43 |
| russellb | is it missing the changes-since filter? | 21:43 |
| armax | btw there’s work that kevinbenton is doing to make these sorts of additions easier | 21:43 |
| kevinbenton | WAT | 21:43 |
| armax | so I think it’s safe to say this should be deferred | 21:43 |
| russellb | that was a key part of that IIRC | 21:43 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222079/ | 21:43 |
| mestery | armax: Awesome sir | 21:43 |
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| * mestery moves it out | 21:43 | |
| armax | kevinbenton: ^ | 21:43 |
| salv-orl_ | russellb: indeed | 21:44 |
| russellb | i actually kind of hated these attributes in the nova API | 21:44 |
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| russellb | but it was largely due to implementation details | 21:44 |
| russellb | anyway. | 21:44 |
| russellb | doesn't look complete | 21:44 |
| salv-orl_ | current impl is concerned to make timestamp work, which is ok | 21:44 |
| salv-orl_ | but does not worry about the overall openstack api consumer experience | 21:44 |
| russellb | yeah but their use case specifically was that + ability to do changes_since filtering | 21:44 |
| mestery | Our last one | 21:45 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-flavor-framework-templates | 21:45 |
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| mestery | dougwig xgerman: Status update? | 21:45 |
| salv-orl_ | definetely not critcial feature, so I have all the time to bring that up with the rest of the api-wg | 21:45 |
| xgerman | code is all submitted | 21:45 |
| xgerman | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/yjizL2r9/ | 21:45 |
| russellb | salv-orl_: cool, definitely something worth trying to make sure is consistent where possible | 21:45 |
| kevinbenton | AbtractFlavorFrameworkFactory | 21:45 |
| salv-orl_ | mestery: I see only one patch on the lp whiteboard and it;'s merged | 21:45 |
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| mestery | salv-orl_: For which spec? | 21:46 |
| salv-orl_ | ah found th eother patch(es) | 21:46 |
| mestery | salv-orl_: got it | 21:46 |
| salv-orl_ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-flavor-framework-templates | 21:46 |
| mestery | port timestamp right? | 21:46 |
| mestery | Ah | 21:46 |
| mestery | OK | 21:46 |
| xgerman | need to update the whiteboard then | 21:46 |
| russellb | kevinbenton: you go wash that dirty mouth out with soap, young man | 21:46 |
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| mestery | #link https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/yjizL2r9/ | 21:46 |
| mestery | lol | 21:47 |
| kevinbenton | with the timstamp work deferred, i wonder if we should improve on it and just have a change log for resources | 21:47 |
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| xgerman | updated the whiteboard... | 21:47 |
| salv-orl_ | xgerman: other patches are in "work items". Topics do mot match that's why they are not in the wb | 21:47 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Seems like a nice idea | 21:47 |
| ajo | kevinbenton: changelogs on busy DBs tend to grow huge tables | 21:48 |
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| salv-orl_ | kevinbenton: if there is a use for it that's ok, otherwise let's not bother with stuff that can grow indefinetely in size. | 21:48 |
| ajo | kevinbenton: do you mean keeping a change log of what changed on every resource? | 21:48 |
| salv-orl_ | think about the changelog for the default external network | 21:48 |
| kevinbenton | ajo: right | 21:49 |
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| mestery | That was the last one | 21:49 |
| ajo | kevinbenton, I don't mean I'm against it, if there are interesting use cases, let's just consider the risks :) | 21:50 |
| mestery | We're down to 4 left | 21:50 |
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| mestery | So I encourage folks to review code for those BPs this week | 21:50 |
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| kevinbenton | salv-orl_: well that wouldn't have many changes | 21:50 |
| salv-orl_ | anyway: flavor framework. The api change by itself is not disruptive, so it's ok. It might not be the best way of doing it, but since we don't know we shiuld just go ahead and experiment with it rather than bikeshedding | 21:50 |
| * mestery notes there are 2 items left on the agenda | 21:50 | |
| ajo | salv-orl_: +1 | 21:50 |
| salv-orl_ | kevinbenton: I know you would have said that. You want to carry me in a rabbit hole. I might say then floating IP | 21:50 |
| xgerman | salv-orl_ +1 | 21:50 |
| salv-orl_ | but then you would argue that the change log are in the port associated with it | 21:50 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orl_: right :) | 21:51 |
| mestery | OK | 21:51 |
| mestery | moving along | 21:51 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 21:51 |
| ajo | :) | 21:51 |
| mestery | And this will be quick | 21:51 |
| salv-orl_ | kevinbenton: go for it then. It's awesome. | 21:51 |
| mestery | #topic Mitaka Design Summit | 21:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka Design Summit (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:51 | |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-mitaka-designsummit | 21:51 |
| ajo | mestery: we like quick | 21:51 |
| mestery | Please keep proposing fun ideas to discuss in Tokyo there | 21:51 |
| mestery | The next PTL will handle scheduling the sessions (yay!) :) | 21:51 |
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| armax | you’re ptl until the week of the 24th | 21:52 |
| armax | get to work | 21:52 |
| mestery | armax: That long? | 21:52 |
| hichihara | When must we do by? | 21:52 |
| armax | yes | 21:52 |
| mlavalle | armax: +++ | 21:52 |
| armax | leave a lasting legacy | 21:52 |
| mestery | hichihara: I can't speak for the next PTL, but if it was up to me, sooner is beter than later :) | 21:52 |
| armax | and since you bailed the week of feature freeze | 21:52 |
| mestery | OK | 21:52 |
| mestery | rofl | 21:52 |
| neiljerram_bb | Does anyone try to add structure or organisation to all those ideas? | 21:52 |
| armax | that’s the least you could do for the next ptl | 21:52 |
| mestery | armax: Are you saying I owe the next PTL a week of time? | 21:52 |
| mestery | neiljerram_bb: Yes | 21:52 |
| mestery | the PTL does :) | 21:52 |
| hichihara | lol | 21:52 |
| armax | mestery: yes | 21:52 |
| mestery | In general, the PTL and drivers team schedules the summit sessions | 21:52 |
| mestery | And tries hard to make sure we address the less sexy ideas which are important for the community | 21:53 |
| mestery | We'll have a bunch of those as well | 21:53 |
| neiljerram_bb | Lucky new PTL! | 21:53 |
| salv-orl_ | neiljerram_bb: anarchy and chaos are the main drivers for our team. Structure and organization are two unknown values to us ;) | 21:53 |
| russellb | can we have a "neutron users stories / priorities" session again? | 21:53 |
| russellb | where people show up and scream at the room? | 21:53 |
| mestery | russellb: YES! | 21:53 |
| mestery | Also, lightning talks again | 21:53 |
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| ajo | screaming++ | 21:53 |
| mestery | Do people like those still? | 21:53 |
| mestery | Seemed like they did | 21:53 |
| neiljerram_bb | salv - thx, will adjust my paradigms | 21:54 |
| russellb | because i loved that | 21:54 |
| mestery | :) | 21:54 |
| mestery | OK | 21:54 |
| mestery | Lets move along | 21:54 |
| mestery | Keep submitting | 21:54 |
| mestery | We'll keep reviewing | 21:54 |
| mestery | And planning | 21:54 |
| mestery | For screaming | 21:54 |
| kevinbenton | MILLIONS OF DOLLARS! | 21:54 |
| mestery | rofl | 21:54 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: daring | 21:54 |
| emagana | sc68cal: +1operators meet-up and all we heard was crickets! | 21:54 |
| mestery | #topic DefCore Update | 21:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DefCore Update (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:54 | |
| mestery | hogepodge: you're up! | 21:54 |
| mestery | 5 minutes left even! | 21:54 |
| hogepodge | not so much a defcore thing, but on the openstack compatible logo | 21:55 |
| dougwig | he's typing. | 21:55 |
| mestery | :) | 21:55 |
| mestery | dougwig: lol | 21:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | hogepodge: you need a louder keyboard | 21:55 |
| sc68cal | emagana: that's good right? | 21:55 |
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| hogepodge | we'd like to ask vendors to test their compatible products, based on how projects define that testing | 21:55 |
| emagana | sc68cal: indeed! | 21:55 |
| hogepodge | so, would reviving some third party ci in neutron be a thing that could happen in 2016? | 21:55 |
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| neiljerram_bb | Is that not already a thing? | 21:56 |
| mestery | hogepodge: It could, it needs a leader | 21:56 |
| hogepodge | It's a larger topic, but I wanted to throw it out there for a possible future agenda. | 21:56 |
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| salv-orl_ | hogepodge: the 3rd party CIs never died. They just mind their own business | 21:56 |
| salv-orl_ | but they're there | 21:56 |
| mestery | hogepodge: In Vancouver the team determined 3rd party CI didn't have a ton of value, but perhaps that opinion has changed | 21:57 |
| dougwig | they don't follow a uniform testing standard really, which is what this implies. | 21:57 |
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| mestery | dougwig: Right | 21:57 |
| mestery | The problem with that | 21:57 |
| mestery | is someone has to enforce it | 21:57 |
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| mestery | And that job of enforcing | 21:57 |
| mestery | sucks | 21:57 |
| mestery | REally bad | 21:57 |
| salv-orl_ | mestery: to be fair we said that reporting from 3rd party CI does not have value | 21:57 |
| mestery | So unless someone steps upo | 21:57 |
| hogepodge | yeah, it would need to be uniform. Similar to what cinder is doing. | 21:57 |
| salv-orl_ | and policing is a PITA | 21:57 |
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| hogepodge | mestery: that's what I keep hearing. | 21:57 |
| russellb | i don't think it was that it didn't have value | 21:57 |
| mestery | Unless someone steps up to enforce it and run it | 21:57 |
| mestery | It's not gonna work | 21:57 |
| russellb | it was more thatn enforcing rules around it wasn't worth it | 21:57 |
| mestery | emagana and I tried and it was a full time job | 21:58 |
| salv-orl_ | but if you run a plugin or a driver, 3rd party CI is surely valuable for you | 21:58 |
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| mestery | So not trying to scare folks | 21:58 |
| mestery | But being honest here | 21:58 |
| hogepodge | so can I have time next week to make rough outline and also gather info? (say from salv-orl_) | 21:58 |
| russellb | and that it was up to the driver maintainers to decide how valuable it was to them, for the quality they wanted to achieve | 21:58 |
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| mestery | hogepodge: Yes | 21:58 |
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| hogepodge | mestery: honesty is what I want. Scary or not. I prefer scary. | 21:58 |
| * salv-orl_ so scared now | 21:58 | |
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| mestery | :) | 21:58 |
| hogepodge | to sugarcoated | 21:58 |
| * mestery trembles | 21:58 | |
| mestery | hogepodge: It's worth trying again | 21:58 |
| mestery | For sure | 21:58 |
| mestery | OK | 21:59 |
| mestery | Thanks hogepodge! | 21:59 |
| hogepodge | Thanks for letting me ci bomb your meeting. :-D | 21:59 |
| mestery | I look forawrd to move discussions here :) | 21:59 |
| anteaya | o/ | 21:59 |
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| mestery | OK, lets focus on Liberty-rc1 now! | 21:59 |
| mestery | Not much time left :) | 21:59 |
| armax | bye | 21:59 |
| mestery | Thanks folks! | 21:59 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
| ajo | \o | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:59 | |
| emagana | ciao ciao | 21:59 |
| hoangcx | bye | 21:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 14 21:59:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-09-14-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| neiljerram_bb | Bye all | 21:59 |
| yamamoto | bye | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-09-14-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-09-14-21.00.log.html | 21:59 |
| hichihara | bye | 21:59 |
| mestery | armax: You were early! EARLY! You slacker | 21:59 |
| kevinbenton | bye | 21:59 |
| mestery | :) | 21:59 |
| rossella_s | ciao | 21:59 |
| salv-orl_ | adieuuuuuu | 21:59 |
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