Thursday, 2015-09-17

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Su	has congress meeting started	00:05
Su	?	00:05
jwy	doesn't look like it	00:05
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thinrichs	Hi all. Sorry I was late.	00:09
thinrichs	#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting	00:10
openstack	Meeting started Thu Sep 17 00:10:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	00:10
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thinrichs	Who's here?	00:10
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RuiChen	hi	00:11
Su	hello time	00:11
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Su	hello Tim	00:11
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Su	how is going?	00:11
veena	Hi	00:11
Su	hello	00:11
thinrichs	RuiChen, Su, veena: hi	00:11
pballand	hi	00:11
jwy	hi	00:11
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alexsyip	here	00:11
thinrichs	pballand, jwy, alexsyip: hey	00:11
Su	I created several slides regarding our congress implementation here at Symantec	00:12
Su	is there a way I can share the slides with anyone interested?	00:12
thinrichs	Su: great!	00:12
Su	my pleasure	00:13
thinrichs	Su: That'd be great.	00:13
thinrichs	I don't know how you want to share the slides. They're not confidential, are they?	00:13
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thinrichs	If not, maybe put them on a google drive?	00:13
Su	completely not	00:13
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Su	good idea	00:13
thinrichs	Su: once you do that, let us all know on the ML, and we can get you feedback.	00:14
thinrichs	BTW, the slides I used at Vancouver as an intro are online...	00:15
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Su	https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5VvD3PSoDPaLTVIWG1NNDhQRFE/view?usp=sharing	00:15
Su	here is the URL	00:15
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thinrichs	Here are the slides from Vancouver:	00:16
thinrichs	#link https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByDz-eYOtswScTlmamlhLXpmTXc/edit	00:16
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Su	I already implemented the domain level quota policy. However, I did see there might be a limitation on congress right now	00:16
thinrichs	Su: let's have everyone look through the slides after the meeting and get you feedback.	00:16
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Su	sounds great	00:16
thinrichs	Su: what's the limitation you found?	00:16
Su	can not guys see it?	00:16
thinrichs	#action Everyone will get Su feedback on slides	00:16
thinrichs	Su: yes we can see the slides.	00:16
Su	the limitation is about variable aggregation	00:17
Su	I saw an open ticket for that. But it seems like it is incomplete	00:17
thinrichs	Su: can you give a concrete use case: what do you want to aggregate?	00:17
Su	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140253/	00:17
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Su	for example, we need to figure out how many cpus are being used for a particular domain.	00:18
thinrichs	Su: use case makes sense.	00:18
thinrichs	Su: the code was never completed; it's a pretty fundamental change, and I don't think the changeset you found is on the right track.	00:18
Su	we can easily have tuples like cpu(project1, 4, domain1) cpu(project2, 3, domain1) and cpu(project3, 5, domain1). The aggregated cpu usage for this particular doamin should be 4+3+5=12	00:19
thinrichs	Got it. Aggregates have been on the wishlist for a while.	00:19
thinrichs	We need someone to implement it.	00:19
Su	okay	00:19
Su	i am not an expert of datalog. It will be wonderful if someone can help with it	00:20
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thinrichs	shivharis needs to leave @5:30, so let's get to his agenda item.	00:20
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thinrichs	Su: understood; I'll keep an eye out for someone who can help	00:20
thinrichs	shivharis: do you want to give an update on your use-case work?	00:20
Su	I am currently aggregating the result manually	00:20
Su	sounds good	00:20
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Su	another question I have is: how long does congress keep the data collected by datasource driver?	00:21
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shivharis	oops	00:22
thinrichs	(shivharis was on #congress but not seemingly on this channel. Waiting for him to enter.)	00:22
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Su	I remember congress does not store such data, right? but it seems like congress does store such type of data for a little while at least	00:22
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thinrichs	Su: let's resume this once shivharis finishes his update	00:22
shivharis	ok i am on, i was on the wrong channel	00:22
Su	okay	00:22
shivharis	I have started to put together a VM with devstack/openstack/congress	00:23
shivharis	also i have set up the tutorial example on this VM	00:23
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shivharis	this was done based on last weeks AI that took for building a 4 usecase VM to be possibly installed on a tunb drive	00:24
shivharis	thumb drive	00:24
shivharis	this all seems to be up and running - i am open to	00:25
shivharis	ideas for other usecases and would welcome if anyone else would like to colloborate on this	00:25
thinrichs	shivharis: cool. Have you touched base with alexsyip?	00:25
shivharis	yes, alexsyip and I communicated	00:26
thinrichs	How is your work with usecases related to alexsyip's HOL?	00:26
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shivharis	we we doing similar work and will leverage work/ideas etc	00:26
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thinrichs	Sounds good.	00:26
thinrichs	shivharis: is the VM available for us to look at?	00:27
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shivharis	we both are pretty much at the same point	00:27
thinrichs	Or: what's the best way to get you feedback?	00:27
shivharis	i will put this vm at a public site tomorrow for anyone to download	00:27
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thinrichs	shivharis: are you planning to have a doc that goes along with it that walks through the use cases?	00:28
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shivharis	yes, that will be a good idea, will do that	00:28
Su	May I have our usecase included as well?	00:28
shivharis	any UI would be necessary?	00:29
thinrichs	shivharis: This is all great!	00:29
shivharis	Su: yes very welcome to include your usecase	00:29
thinrichs	shivharis: I think using the Horizon UI is fine.	00:29
Su	the implementation is already completed	00:29
Su	cool	00:29
thinrichs	Su: maybe you can help shivharis get your use case into his VM. Maybe make your VM public or give him instructions?	00:29
shivharis	Su: ML will be a good place to start communicating, i can initiate	00:30
thinrichs	shivaharis: thanks. Note it's 5:30p.	00:30
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shivharis	i need to run today, sorry... I will catch up reading logs	00:30
shivharis	thats all fromme	00:30
thinrichs	shivharis: thanks and sorry we started late.	00:30
thinrichs	#topic PTL elections	00:31
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Su	see you. Look forward to seeing the instruction docs.	00:31
thinrichs	I should have done this last week, but we're in the midst of PTL candidacy right now.	00:31
thinrichs	So if anyone wants to run you need to submit your name now.	00:31
thinrichs	I think the deadline is tonight.	00:32
thinrichs	There have been a bunch of emails on the ML.	00:32
thinrichs	If anyone wants to talk about what it entails, let me know.	00:32
thinrichs	I put myself up as a candidate.	00:32
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thinrichs	Questions?	00:32
Su	I am interested	00:32
Su	is there a place I can submit the application?	00:33
Su	or I can just send an email to someone?	00:33
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thinrichs	Su: sure. I don't have the link handy, but the basic idea is you push code to the 'openstack/elections' repo.	00:34
Su	okay. I will figure it out	00:34
thinrichs	The "code" you push is a textfile contains the email you send out to the ML detailing why you want to be PTL.	00:34
Su	noted	00:35
thinrichs	I'll spend 1 minute looking for the link.	00:35
Su	okay, thanks	00:35
thinrichs	Info on being a PTL, which was well-received by current PTLs.	00:36
thinrichs	#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/073986.html	00:36
thinrichs	Info on process	00:36
thinrichs	#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074037.html	00:36
thinrichs	Any other questions?	00:36
Su	yes	00:37
Su	back to my previous question	00:37
Su	how long does congress keep the data collected by datasource driver?	00:37
thinrichs	Su: until it gets restarted	00:37
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Su	so all of such data was stored in congress server memory, right?	00:38
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thinrichs	I do have a couple other agenda items that we need the group for.	00:38
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thinrichs	Su: let's save these clarification questions about how congress works til the open-discussion at the end.	00:38
thinrichs	Su: sound good?	00:38
Su	no problme	00:38
thinrichs	Su: thanks.	00:38
thinrichs	#topic Gate problems	00:39
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Su	you are welcome	00:39
thinrichs	Right now we're having trouble getting code in b/c there are tempest tests that are failing.	00:39
thinrichs	The tests aren't ours; they are glance tests.	00:39
thinrichs	I've been unable to replicate the failures locally.	00:39
thinrichs	There are 2 I've noticed failing, each of which are testing glance's notification capabilities.	00:40
thinrichs	So I tried to change the tempest tests running in our gate to only be those relevant to congress.	00:40
thinrichs	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223855/	00:40
thinrichs	But we're getting pushback in that no one else seems to be having these problems.	00:41
ramineni	thinrichs: looks like they are timeout issues right - fixtures timeout	00:41
thinrichs	So I'm trying to work with the infra team (ianw who wrote the review) to figure out what's happening.	00:41
thinrichs	ramineni: agreed.	00:42
ramineni	thinrichs: recheck solving them	00:42
thinrichs	ramineni: when I ran the tests on my own machine they always finish in < 3 seconds.	00:42
thinrichs	In the gate, they're running for 500 seconds and timing out.	00:42
ramineni	thinrichs: ya,	00:43
thinrichs	ramineni: yesterday they seemed to be failing > 50% of the time.	00:43
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thinrichs	The worry is that there's something that conflicts with glance in some way.	00:43
ramineni	thinrichs: ya, its pain to do multiple rechecks everytime ..	00:43
zhenzan	Do we have any code to receive the notifications?	00:43
thinrichs	zhenzan: no.	00:43
ianw	thinrichs: so i don't know what's going on, but it doesn't seem to be something that affects everyone from poking at logstash. that's why i think it's something specific. we can discuss in another channel	00:44
thinrichs	ianw: thanks for chiming in.	00:44
zhenzan	what about ceilometer? Do we enable ceilometer in gate? Is it using the latest code?	00:44
thinrichs	ianw: makes perfect sense. I tried to ping you a couple of times this morning (for me) and clark told me you had a different notion of morning from AU.	00:44
thinrichs	ianw: maybe tomorrow we can sync up?	00:45
RuiChen	I talk with ceilometer guys, they don't face the same issue in their CI.	00:45
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thinrichs	It'd be great if we could get some eyeballs on this.	00:45
thinrichs	Any volunteers?	00:45
zhenzan	I remembered that I saw this issue before, together with Lianhao Lu, a ceilometer core	00:45
zhenzan	but several months ago	00:46
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RuiChen	yes, if Lianhao can help to check, it's great	00:46
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zhenzan	it's around June 24	00:47
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zhenzan	anyway, I can also take a look today	00:48
thinrichs	Ian pointed me to a helpful tool that lets us search over all logs in the gate	00:48
thinrichs	#link http://logstash.openstack.org/	00:48
thinrichs	zhenzan: that'd be great.	00:48
thinrichs	#topic Tempest plugin	00:49
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thinrichs	zhenzan: you've been working on a tempest plugin. Want to report?	00:49
zhenzan	yes	00:49
thinrichs	(And does that help with this issue in the gate?)	00:49
zhenzan	just pushed patch set 3	00:49
zhenzan	the patch set 2 has an issue to conflict with local unit tests	00:50
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RuiChen	#link zhenzen's patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223933/	00:50
zhenzan	the code is based on Manila's experience	00:50
zhenzan	but, the test cases are still the same	00:51
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zhenzan	so we still have to skip some test cases	00:51
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zhenzan	with the tempest plugin framework, we don't need to seek for merging our tempest code into the main tempest tree	00:52
thinrichs	skipping test cases is fine.	00:52
zhenzan	and it's easy to run just congress tests	00:52
thinrichs	Does this plugin help us with our gate problem?	00:52
zhenzan	with our failure cases skipped, I think the answer is yes.	00:53
zhenzan	but the effect is just like what you do in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223855/	00:53
zhenzan	if we still run all tempest cases, we may still meet the glance failure	00:54
thinrichs	Ok. It's good to be using the proper plugin framework in any case.	00:54
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thinrichs	That's my last agenda item.	00:54
thinrichs	Anyone have anything they need to discuss with the group?	00:55
thinrichs	(5 minutes left)	00:55
ramineni	thinrichs: have one quick question	00:55
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thinrichs	ramineni	00:55
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thinrichs	ramineni: shoot	00:56
ramineni	i have raised couple of patches seeing python-3 gate failures -- -https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223406/	00:56
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ramineni	but im seeing error like this - gate-congress-requirements http://logs.openstack.org/06/223406/1/check/gate-congress-requirements/9f98a1c/ : Incompatible requirement found;	00:56
ramineni	i can see mox3 is part of global-requirements.. is there anything else needs to to?	00:56
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thinrichs	I think you need to use the same versions as global-requirements.	00:57
thinrichs	Maybe	00:57
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ramineni	thinrichs: thanks, will try that	00:58
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thinrichs	So if they have mox3>=0.7.0, maybe you need to use that too	00:58
thinrichs	Just a guess.	00:58
thinrichs	Su: do you want to ask your questions now?	00:58
* ramineni gives it a try		00:58
thinrichs	Or we could move over to #congress and do that, since we have 2 minutes left.	00:58
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thinrichs	Apologies once again for the shortened meeting.	00:59
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thinrichs	I'll be around for another 10-15 minutes in #congress if anyone wants to chat.	00:59
thinrichs	Bye	01:00
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veena	bye	01:00
zhenzan	bye	01:00
RuiChen	bye~	01:00
thinrichs	#endmeeting	01:00
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Su	my question is, how long does congress store data collected by datasource driver?	01:00
thinrichs	Su: can we move to #congress in case someone else has this room for a meeting?	01:01
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gate is currently stuck, failing grenade upgrade tests due the release of oslo.utils 1.4.1 for Juno.		08:01
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gmann	#startmeeting qa	08:59
openstack	Meeting started Thu Sep 17 08:59:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	08:59
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	08:59
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)"		08:59
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'qa'	09:00
gmann	who all here today?	09:00
dmellado	\o Hi gmann ;)	09:00
gmann	dmellado: hi	09:00
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gmann	hi jordanP	09:01
jordanP	hi gmann	09:01
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jordanP	and everybody :)	09:01
gmann	looks like we 3 only today, dmellado jordanP	09:01
jordanP	:(	09:02
dmellado	quite sad :(	09:02
jordanP	the QA sprint has started right ?	09:02
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gmann	let's wait for 2-3 min otherwise we will finish quickly	09:02
gmann	jordanP: yea most of them are in QA sprint	09:02
dmellado	where is it being held?	09:02
jordanP	no, I think it's over. I was from 14 to 16 sept	09:02
gmann	or connecting remotely	09:03
oomichi	hi	09:03
dmellado	hi oomichi hope it's not 4am for you today too :)	09:03
oomichi	I was in the sprint and here is 3am	09:03
gmann	oomichi: hi, good morning in night :)	09:03
oomichi	yeah	09:03
oomichi	in the sprint, mtreinish and me only from tempest cores	09:03
oomichi	so I guessed the others can join this meeting	09:03
gmann	dmellado: its in Fort Collins	09:04
jordanP	if they are not asleep :)	09:04
gmann	ok let's start meeting	09:04
dmellado	Oh, it's trye, now I recall it, it was going to be held in hp premises ;)	09:04
gmann	# link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_September_17rd_2015_.280900_UTC.29	09:04
gmann	^^^ Today's agenda	09:04
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gmann	#topic Specs Reviews	09:04
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gmann	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z	09:05
gmann	i think most of them under -1 means less for review	09:05
gmann	oomichi: i saw your reply on microversion one	09:05
gmann	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169126/3	09:05
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gmann	oomichi: I will check that tomorrow	09:05
oomichi	gmann: thanks ;)	09:05
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dmellado	I wanted to check the status from this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101232/	09:06
gmann	it will helpful if all can have a look into that.	09:06
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dmellado	I'll be commenting there later but wanted to know if there has been any further discussion besides the gerrit link ;)	09:06
gmann	dmellado: ahh thats quite old	09:07
jordanP	I like the proposal	09:07
jordanP	the number of scenarios is growing	09:07
gmann	dmellado: i do not remember any other discussion	09:07
gmann	jordanP: ture	09:07
dmellado	+1 on that	09:07
jordanP	we will need to refactor eventually	09:07
gmann	but we can start review that if that seems useful	09:08
jordanP	that's a good starting point then, if we all aree	09:08
oomichi	jordanP: yeah, I agree	09:08
dmellado	sounds fine for me, as it'd be great to have it due the growing scenarios	09:08
gmann	ok So let's review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101232/	09:09
gmann	dmellado: Thanks for pointing that	09:09
dmellado	gmann: np ;)	09:09
oomichi	gmann: now or later?	09:09
gmann	oomichi: any plan on microversion spec in sprint?	09:09
gmann	oomichi: when you get time may be next week for you :)	09:10
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oomichi	gmann: not anything because we concentrated on tempest-lib service client dev	09:10
gmann	oomichi: i saw that as topic on agenda	09:10
gmann	oomichi: yea that is big one and priority	09:10
oomichi	gmann: ok, will review it later :)	09:10
gmann	anything else on spec thing ?	09:11
oomichi	gmann: yeah, some projects have copy&paste service client code from tempest now	09:11
oomichi	and we can remove them after tempest-lib's ones	09:11
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gmann	oomichi: yea, agree	09:11
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gmann	Let's move on to next topic	09:12
gmann	#topic Tempest	09:12
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gmann	oomichi: your turn	09:12
oomichi	gmann: nothing from me	09:12
jordanP	I've seen several "fix typos in code comment" patches lately	09:12
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jordanP	I don"t disapprove them but they are a bit boring	09:13
oomichi	jordanP: big +1	09:13
jordanP	maybe it's silly but they consume Gate resources	09:13
gmann	jordanP: yea i saw those and bugs also	09:13
dmellado	jordanP: might be because openstack summit's coming? xD	09:13
oomichi	jordanP: nice point and sometimes I ignore them	09:13
jordanP	so, my solution/recommendation is too-1 patches if we see some typos	09:14
gmann	may be we can keep asking them to log bug and fix those in 1 patch	09:14
oomichi	dmellado: hehe, maybe right	09:14
jordanP	to avoid a latter "fix typo" patch	09:14
dmellado	+1 on that	09:14
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jordanP	we are quite reactive so we can afford to -1, and then +2 quickly after it's been fixed	09:14
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gmann	jordanP: but we should have much strong reason to -1 :)	09:14
jordanP	gmann, why ?	09:14
gmann	jordanP: you mean hold for some time and later +2	09:15
jordanP	you -1, the guys update the patch, it take 20 sec and then we approve	09:15
oomichi	gmann: or it is great to avoid consuming gate resource for fixing typos	09:15
jordanP	ok, maybe don't -1 but leave a comment and dont +2	09:15
dmellado	I've also a question about tempest tests. I've been working in IPv6 scenarios lately and would like to know if there's any way to run them in a different gate (which would use a different image, like manila) in order to avoid CirrOS limitations (sorry for the offtopic here)	09:15
gmann	jordanP: i see your point	09:15
jordanP	yeah -1 could be a bit hard, just leave a comment pointing at the typo and don"t +2	09:16
gmann	jordanP: yea comment would be better one.	09:16
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oomichi	if changed code which is on after of #, the gate cannot run against the patch	09:16
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oomichi	just one idea	09:16
dmellado	oomichi: that's a nice one	09:17
gmann	oomichi: that nice idea . just run doc thing	09:17
jordanP	oomichi, I think we can"t do that with zuul at the moment	09:17
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oomichi	gmann: yeah, right	09:17
oomichi	jordanP: true for current zuul	09:17
jordanP	because Zuul nows which files are touched but not what is touched within files	09:17
jordanP	*knows	09:17
oomichi	jordanP: now zuul just distinguishes based on file path	09:17
jordanP	yep	09:17
oomichi	jordanP: yeah, right	09:17
gmann	jordanP: yea	09:18
jordanP	dmellado, had a question :)	09:18
dmellado	thanks jordanP ;)	09:18
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gmann	anyways we can keep that idea for next proposal may be in summit for infra session	09:18
oomichi	but maybe most projects are facing this kind of problems, so it is nice if zuul can do it ;)	09:18
oomichi	gmann: that is reasonable	09:18
jordanP	dmellado, you would need a different job in the Gate, which would export a different set of images	09:18
gmann	oomichi: +1	09:18
jordanP	+1 I know someone from Infra wants to dedicate more time to Zuul, that would be a great feature, im	09:19
jordanP	imo	09:19
dmellado	jordanP: but would that be approved? I mean, I don't want to split tempest between (ipv6 dhcp and not dhcp ipv6)	09:19
dmellado	so I don't really know how to address that	09:19
jordanP	dmellado, I am not sure. Though there is precedency: neutron dvr vs neutron not dvr	09:19
jordanP	tempest ssh vs tempest non ssh	09:20
jordanP	but imo, it's not the best idea ever...	09:20
dmellado	that's it...	09:20
dmellado	I've tried for cirros to implement that, with no luck until now	09:20
gmann	# Action oomichi/gmann needs to add the idea of "not running gate job for comments line" in summit session- infra	09:20
dmellado	so I might try the other approach and ask around here later,	09:21
dmellado	thanks jordanP ;)	09:21
gmann	dmellado: ok	09:21
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gmann	oomichi: back to service clients to lib	09:21
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jordanP	(dmellado, at least you could ask this new job to be added in the experimental queue)	09:21
gmann	oomichi: i found some schema are missing for example update agent	09:21
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oomichi	gmann: thanks, can you -1 on that?	09:22
gmann	oomichi: i am going through those and if i find anything more should we do it in tempest or lib ?	09:22
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gmann	oomichi: but agent cleitn one is merged in lib	09:22
oomichi	gmann: ah, yeah. I am writing how to do that on the etherpad	09:22
gmann	I thought of fixing that in lib	09:23
jordanP	I think now is a good time to move to -lib.	09:23
jordanP	we delayed this for quite a while...	09:23
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jordanP	andreaf, \o/	09:23
oomichi	#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-lib-service-client-migration	09:23
gmann	oomichi: I will check all bu tomorrow and fix if there is any more	09:23
oomichi	gmann: thanks again :)	09:23
gmann	oomichi: so agent one i can fix directly on lib as it would not change any interface	09:24
oomichi	andreaf: hi :)	09:24
gmann	oomichi: Thanks	09:24
gmann	andreaf: hi :)	09:24
andreaf	oomichi, jordanP: hi	09:24
dmellado	hi andreaf ;)	09:24
andreaf	hello everyone :)	09:24
gmann	for response return value, only 1 patch left to merge	09:24
oomichi	gmann: ok, please let me know later	09:24
gmann	# link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/method-return-value-and-move-service-clients-to-lib,n,z	09:24
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gmann	anything else on service clients ?	09:25
jordanP	I feel we are going to break the world soon :p	09:25
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masayukig	sorry for joining the meeting late.	09:26
gmann	jordanP: heh how ?	09:26
gmann	masayukig: hi	09:26
jordanP	gmann, I don't know, it feels scary to me, changing all these imports	09:26
jlanoux	o/	09:26
gmann	jordanP: humm , let's see. we will find hidden bugs.	09:26
oomichi	jordanP: yeah, right. at least, neutron-XXaas will be broken	09:26
gmann	jlanoux: hi	09:26
gmann	oomichi: thats worth for neutron client, its going in good shape now	09:27
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oomichi	in short-time, I hope ;)	09:27
gmann	oomichi: jordanP: anyways hope for the best :)	09:27
jordanP	yep !	09:27
oomichi	gmann: yeah, neutron clients should be the next step after nova	09:27
gmann	oomichi: +1	09:27
gmann	ok let's move on	09:28
gmann	# topic DevStack	09:28
oomichi	keystone clients also are nice choice because neutron repo contain neutron clients and keystone clients only now	09:28
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gmann	oomichi: yea, nice point	09:28
gmann	oomichi: so after neutron we can have keystone	09:29
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oomichi	gmann: that is a nice idea	09:29
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dmellado	I'd like to help on that, is there any client I can take as an example?	09:29
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oomichi	dmellado: ok, could you check https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-lib-service-client-migration ?	09:30
gmann	dmellado: Thanks, that will be good help.	09:30
gmann	and oomichi we keep updating this etherpad for other client also right?	09:31
oomichi	dmellado: after finishing writting how to, I am glad if you also join into the work ;)	09:31
dmellado	oomichi: I'll check those that you did for now (might also get back with some questions ;))	09:31
oomichi	gmann: yeah, right.	09:31
gmann	so that we have all migration bits together	09:31
gmann	oomichi: Thanks	09:31
oomichi	dmellado: thanks :)	09:31
gmann	dmellado: thanks	09:31
dmellado	;)	09:31
gmann	let's jump on next topic	09:32
gmann	#topic DevStack	09:32
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gmann	jamielennox added some point to discuss about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220846/	09:33
gmann	but not sure he is available here.	09:33
gmann	I do not have much to talk about that one. Ned to look.	09:34
gmann	does anyone has anything on this or we skip it for next meeting ( with jamielennox)	09:34
dmellado	nothing from my side	09:35
gmann	ok, let's move to next one then	09:35
gmann	#topic Grenade	09:35
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gmann	anything on grenade ?	09:35
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gmann	is gate up now?	09:36
gmann	i saw grenade job failing...	09:36
gmann	but anyways let's move to next topic	09:36
gmann	#topic Critical Reviews	09:36
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gmann	anyone has reviews to look on priority ?	09:37
oomichi	I have ;)	09:37
oomichi	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224210/	09:38
oomichi	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217468/	09:38
oomichi	that is	09:38
gmann	oomichi: ok, that nice patch	09:38
oomichi	thanks ;)	09:39
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gmann	oomichi: yea those are needed for lib migration	09:39
masayukig	oomichi: it seems nice :)	09:39
oomichi	yes, right. after that, I can finish writing the etherpad	09:39
oomichi	as concrete how-to	09:39
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dmellado	oomichi: great ;)	09:39
gmann	oomichi: yea :)	09:39
masayukig	oomichi: I'll look at them later.	09:40
oomichi	masayukig, dmellado: thanks	09:40
gmann	I also have one which will be needed for lib migration	09:40
gmann	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222983/	09:40
gmann	may be simple one	09:40
vgridnev	Hello folks! I have one review that totally missed for reviews, I wrote about that in mailing list: #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074200.html	09:40
gmann	masayukig: Thanks for reviewing that	09:40
gmann	vgridnev: this one	09:41
gmann	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214194/	09:41
jordanP	( vgridnev have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187635/ )	09:41
vgridnev	yep, this one	09:41
gmann	vgridnev: Thanks, we will take a look	09:41
jordanP	I am not sure devstack is the best place for this, you can easily have plugins	09:41
jordanP	plus this cinder driver is in a weird state	09:42
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vgridnev	jordanP, this plugin would helps us to make CI for that	09:42
gmann	jordanP: yea, nice point. currently cinder has devstack plugin ?	09:42
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gmann	ahh not yet	09:42
jordanP	vgridnev, cinder has 60 drivers, and most of them don"t have a piece inside devstack to do the job	09:43
jordanP	vgridnev, take a look at ceph for instance	09:43
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vgridnev	ok, but what should I do in such case? Just give up?	09:44
andreaf	I also have a devstack review: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222038/1	09:44
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gmann	vgridnev: : may be add those in plugin on cinder side	09:44
gmann	andreaf: ok	09:45
gmann	vgridnev: let's discuss the best approach on review. jordanP has good point if as there are lot of drivers	09:45
gmann	any other review	09:46
gmann	or lets move	09:46
gmann	#topic open discussion	09:46
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gmann	anything else other than mentioned topics?	09:47
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vgridnev	gmann, I can put that to cinder, but it looks like there is no devstack plugin in cinder	09:47
vgridnev	If I am wrong, please give me a link for that	09:48
gmann	vgridnev: yea currently it is not there. i do not remember exactly about the initial discussion about core component plugin	09:48
jordanP	no,, you only need a devstack plugin	09:48
jordanP	which devstack suppots	09:48
gmann	jordanP: you mean core scripts in devstack and have plugin for drivers in cinder?	09:49
jordanP	no, plugin for drivers should sit on a dedicated repo, not related to cinder	09:49
jordanP	lemm find you an example	09:50
gmann	I think its all together would be good , means all cinder devstack stuff in cinder	09:50
gmann	jordanP: oh i see	09:50
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jordanP	example: https://github.com/stackforge/devstack-plugin-glusterfs	09:51
jordanP	the how to use section is important	09:52
jordanP	Add "enable_plugin glusterfs https://github.com/stackforge/devstack-plugin-glusterfs" to localrc file inside devstack.	09:52
jordanP	et voila your done	09:52
jordanP	this is the recommended way now	09:52
jordanP	devstack team has been working on this plugin thing for months, it works now	09:52
gmann	jordanP: Thanks	09:52
gmann	Thats good,	09:52
gmann	vgridnev: ^^	09:53
vgridnev	gmann, I see	09:53
jordanP	vgridnev, in particular: https://github.com/stackforge/devstack-plugin-glusterfs/blob/master/devstack/plugin.sh	09:53
vgridnev	yep, I see	09:53
jordanP	imo, it's 1 day of work for you, maximum	09:53
vgridnev	so, I need to create new repo in stackforge?	09:54
jordanP	and you don"t need devstack core reviewers	09:54
jordanP	you manage your plugin on your own :)	09:54
jordanP	vgridnev, I think so yes.. for now... that's the downside	09:54
gmann	vgridnev: yea, like for glusterfs	09:54
vgridnev	jordanP, Is it hard to make that?	09:54
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vgridnev	I am unfamiliar with such process	09:55
jordanP	vgridnev, it's easy and documented somewhere, I am sure of it. But as stackforge is being deprecated I am not sure what's the best way now to ask for a repositoty	09:55
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jordanP	#openstack-infra is the best place to ask	09:55
gmann	vgridnev: yea, lets discuss there more.	09:55
gmann	Thanks jordanP	09:55
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gmann	anything else to discuss ?	09:56
vgridnev	jordanP, ok, thanks, I will try such way	09:56
jordanP	vgridnev, np. That's your best option, imo	09:56
gmann	ok, we are almost on time	09:57
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gmann	Thanks all for attending.	09:57
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dmellado	thanks ;)	09:57
gmann	#endmeeting	09:57
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Daisy	I will start I18n meeting here.	13:00
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Daisy	#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting	13:00
openstack	Meeting started Thu Sep 17 13:00:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	13:00
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	13:00
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openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'	13:00
Daisy	Hello, who is around for i18n meeting ?	13:00
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doug-fish	Hi Daisy - I am!	13:01
Daisy	Hi, Doug	13:01
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amotoki	hi	13:01
Daisy	hi, amotoki	13:01
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ujuc	hi	13:02
Daisy	Hi, ujuc	13:02
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ujuc	:)	13:02
Daisy	Now we have doug-fish, amotoki, and ujuc. We will start now.	13:02
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Daisy	#topic Collect issues/questions for Zanata and Liberty translation	13:03
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Daisy	I kicked off Liberty translation on top of Zanta. Now 1 week passed, are the translations running well ?	13:03
Daisy	If you have any difficulties/questions, you could raise them here.	13:04
amotoki	I translated ~1000 words and it works well so far.	13:04
Daisy	From the mailing list, we could get some complains from coordinators, about adding translators to a team, about messaging in a team.	13:04
doug-fish	I'm not sure this is exactly related to Zanata but there is a difficulty with the RU translation https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1494819	13:05
openstack	Launchpad bug 1494819 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Russian strings for Actions within Project->Instances page 'More Actions' dropdown are missing" [High,Confirmed]	13:05
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Daisy	We will raise these complains to Zanta team as feature requirements.	13:05
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doug-fish	A challenge is that this is somewhat of a technical problem, but I don't have access to fix it ...	13:05
Daisy	looking at the bug now.	13:06
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doug-fish	and even if I had access, I am not a translator, so it is difficult for me to be sure I have not changed any translations	13:06
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Daisy	I got some notices in the last week, that bad translations broken unite test. I'm going to start an Etherpad to track these issues. Hope doug-fish could help me to collect.	13:07
Daisy	After Liberty translation, we could summarize them, and write a best practise to our translators.	13:07
amotoki	FYI: https://zanata.atlassian.net/browse/ZNTA-555 Internal "user request management" and tracking (which we requested) is under way.	13:07
doug-fish	yes, that's a good idea	13:07
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Daisy	Great, amotoki. Thank you for the link.	13:08
clarkb	Daisy AJaeger flipped zanata option to error translations with bad whitespace	13:08
Daisy	http://etherpad.openstack.org/bad-translations-break-test	13:09
clarkb	I think that fixed things for unittests and is a nice feature since we check it in the projects	13:09
clarkb	also yesterday we ran gerrit updates for all projects from zanata and they should run automatically too now	13:09
clarkb	so the automation is in place and seems to be working	13:09
Daisy	Thank you for the update, clarkb.	13:10
amotoki	yes. we see the first import to horizon from zanata. the gate problem has just recovered and it is under the check queue.	13:10
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amotoki	Daisy: your etherpad link seems incorrect. I see a new page.	13:11
Daisy	amotoki: it's a new page. I just create it.	13:11
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clarkb	amotoki ya we will need to recheck those changes	13:11
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Daisy	doug-fish: I cannot understand why plurality will cause error.	13:12
Daisy	doug-fish: You said it was a technical issue ?	13:12
Daisy	or it is a bad translation issue ?	13:12
doug-fish	sort of both	13:12
doug-fish	The problem is that most of the code expects 3 pluralities for Russian	13:12
doug-fish	yet our translations now have 4	13:13
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doug-fish	This change happened sometime after Kilo but still in transifex	13:13
Daisy	so if you could update the translation, you are able to fix it ?	13:13
amotoki	gettext or django issue?	13:13
amotoki	or horizon side issue?	13:13
doug-fish	I'd have a hard time pointing fingers - I'd expect each group to say it is working as designed/expceted	13:14
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doug-fish	I could update the RU translations to make them have 3 pluralities	13:14
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Daisy	doug-fish: #L30 means the line of 30 in diango.po ?	13:14
doug-fish	oh yes	13:15
doug-fish	link is slightly out of date	13:15
doug-fish	should be line 32	13:15
doug-fish	... and really when you look a the plural funciton there is no way for plural form at index 3 to be reached	13:16
Daisy	then what's the new line number of #L788 ?	13:16
doug-fish	799	13:16
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Daisy	doug-fish: I will spend some time to dig into it after meeting.	13:17
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Daisy	any other questions/issues ?	13:17
doug-fish	The change I would make is to remove every msgstr[2] from the file, move msgstr[3] to msgstr[2] and update the plurality function to the standard one	13:17
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doug-fish	I'd really like to get input from the RU translation team before doing anything this disruptive	13:17
Daisy	I agree, doug-fish.	13:17
doug-fish	but it results in broken Horizon tdoay	13:18
amotoki	https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/openstack_dashboard/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/django.po#L799-L804	13:18
amotoki	is this a right example?	13:18
Daisy	Yes, amotoki.	13:18
doug-fish	yep	13:18
ianychoi	Hello, sorry for late coming.	13:18
Daisy	And line 32 seems like a rule of plural	13:18
doug-fish	correct	13:18
Daisy	doug-fish: who requires only 3 plural ?	13:19
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doug-fish	That what is normal for Russian	13:19
doug-fish	(looking for a link)	13:20
Daisy	But from line 32, I think, it is said nplurals=4	13:20
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doug-fish	right - so it is internally consistent, but not consistent with the rest of the world	13:21
doug-fish	http://localization-guide.readthedocs.org/en/latest/l10n/pluralforms.html	13:21
Daisy	ianychoi: never mind. We are talking about issues/questions of Liberty translations.	13:21
ianychoi	Daisy, thanks. I am trying to follow the conversation :)	13:22
Daisy	How is Korean translations now, ianychoi, running well ?	13:22
doug-fish	I suspect (but haven't made all of the connections) that a pluralization function from another bundle is being used to resolve resources in this file	13:22
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ianychoi	Now me and ujuc are a little bit busy, but I think our Korean translation is going well I think.	13:22
Daisy	doug-fish: that's strange. I think we need input from Ilya.	13:23
doug-fish	It's strange to have different structures for the same langauge	13:23
doug-fish	I think Ilya is hiding from me. :-)	13:23
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Daisy	#action Daisy to follow up with the plurals issue of ru translations.	13:24
Daisy	thank you, ianychoi	13:24
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Daisy	we move to next topic	13:24
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Daisy	#topic Discussion: IBM contributions	13:25
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amotoki	let me share one thought	13:25
amotoki	http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-i18n/%23openstack-i18n.2015-09-17.log.html#t2015-09-17T11:17:52	13:25
amotoki	About Zanata group.	13:25
amotoki	please check it later, Daisy	13:25
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Daisy	amotoki: got your point.	13:26
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Daisy	I think, Group may provide a view, but in the back end, it is still version.	13:26
Daisy	I could try it after meeting.	13:26
amotoki	This is Zanata help http://docs.zanata.org/en/release/user-guide/groups/group-view/	13:26
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Daisy	amotoki: I noticed Group today, I have the same thoughts with you. But again, the back end technology is version.	13:27
amotoki	we can collect good practice after Liberty translaiton finishes :-)	13:27
Daisy	Group just provide a integrated view of different versions.	13:27
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Daisy	amotoki: Yes.	13:27
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Daisy	Ok, as to IBM translations, I have some thoughts to share.	13:27
amotoki	let's move on	13:27
Daisy	I'm going to normalize the process to contribute translations by uploading po files.	13:27
Daisy	IBM is not the single one who would go through the process. As I said before, redhat may want to contribute their translations in po files too.	13:28
Daisy	Here are my thoughts.	13:28
Daisy	1. Simply uploading po files are not allowed.	13:28
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Daisy	2. If people who want to contribute translations by uploading po files, following steps must be followed	13:29
Daisy	2.1 Send email to I18n mailing list, describing the source documents and languages he/she is going to upload.	13:29
Daisy	2.2 Zanata admin will create a branch. She/he could upload po files to the branch.	13:29
Daisy	2.3 When the uploading is done, language coordinators could review the translations.	13:29
Daisy	2.4 If the coordinators agree to merge to the master branch, Zanata admin will make the merge. After merging, this branch will be deleted.	13:29
Daisy	If the coordinators don't agree to merge, .....??...	13:29
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Daisy	I have tested version creation, version deleting, version merging, in the Zanata test server.	13:30
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Daisy	I met with issue before, Zanata instance was crashed because of memory, but now pleia2 fixed the issue.	13:30
amotoki	I think A possible case that reviewer do not agree to megre is a case where they use different wording policy for same source strings.	13:31
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Daisy	amotoki: Yes, that's need to be design.	13:31
doug-fish	Daisy, this looks like a great process! It's been challenging as a potential contributor to sort out how to best work with the tools and community.	13:31
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Daisy	if coordinators don't agree, maybe coordinators ask the contributors to revise the translations ?	13:32
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doug-fish	If the coordinators don't agree to the merge, maybe the branch should be deleted after some period of discussion?	13:32
amotoki	in that case, we can work on a proposed branch until a lang team reaches a consensus.	13:32
ianychoi	I agree with this process.	13:32
amotoki	but generally speaking we should not deny contributions	13:33
Daisy	agree, amotoki. We are a open team. :)	13:33
ianychoi	If the translation is dependent on OpenStack release (e.g., Nova kilo), the deadline would be the release date?	13:33
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Daisy	we are openning for any contributions, we should guide our contributors to follow our rules and improve the translations till the translations meet our quality reqirements.	13:34
doug-fish	One issue with this process is that I think today at least, a branch cannot be proposed unless one is a member of the translation team	13:34
amotoki	ianychoi: a bit (about a week) before the releaes.	13:34
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Daisy	Just as development team will guide new contributors to help them get familiar with their coding rules	13:34
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ianychoi	I think although the coordinator denies or does not tell any opinion on this contribution, the proposed translation is needed to be recorded and logged.	13:35
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ianychoi	to make the reference for active translators..	13:36
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Daisy	I don't think we set deadline. If the translations are good enough to help improve the percentage, coodinators would agree to merge.	13:36
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doug-fish	Is there any way to ensure that only new translations are provided by this process?	13:37
Daisy	If the translations are not good, why we set deadline to merge, even it is related with a release ?	13:37
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doug-fish	It has been very difficult to make sure we do not propose any edits in our PO files	13:37
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doug-fish	and I'm afraid that during a review process, some strings that were new when proposed might get translated in the community and become edits	13:37
Daisy	I don't know the correct answer, doug-fish. But while I reviewed the contributions made by your team in the test server, I could review the hisotry. If I see a translation have two history record, I could tell it is updated.	13:38
Daisy	doug-fish: actually, I don't think it's reasonable to prevent people contributing better translations.	13:39
amotoki	the background behind my comment is that i noticed nova translation in Japanese which was contributed by IBM uses quite different workding from other transaltion in Horizon and documentation (doen by the community)	13:39
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amotoki	so I don't think merging as-is is not safe.	13:39
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Daisy	agree, amotoki	13:39
doug-fish	amotoki: thank you for taking the time to reivew - this was one of my concerns as well	13:40
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amotoki	Daisy: technical question: In Zanata branch, does it use a separate translation memory?	13:40
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amotoki	doug-fish: nova translation I checked was contributed more than one years. It is not related to IBM contribution now.	13:41
Daisy	Actually, in Transifex, I feel it's very dangers to open the right for translators to upload po files directly, to the master brach. I met with the case that a people came to me saything that he uploaded po files to the wrong language team.	13:41
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amotoki	:-(	13:41
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doug-fish	Daisy: yes, agreed!	13:42
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Daisy	We have a hot discussion here. I probably lost some points.	13:43
ianychoi	This discussion has no answers I think :)	13:43
Daisy	anyway, let's try with branch.	13:43
doug-fish	Daisy: back to your comment about people proposing better translations - IMO that kind of contribution should happen only through Zanata itself - doing edits though PO file upload seems risk because it bypasses glossaries and community discussion	13:44
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Daisy	maybe you are right, doug-fish. But we don't have technical way to block updating translations by po file.	13:45
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amotoki	doug-fish: agree with you. we should avoid PO upload as possible as we can.	13:46
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Daisy	ianychoi: Yes, we don't have the answer now. We will figure out the best way while we are working with the new tool more and more.	13:46
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doug-fish	If we agreed it was right we could request an enhancement from Zanata	13:46
Daisy	doug-fish: that's a good point.	13:46
Daisy	next step	13:47
amotoki	i know some translators prefer to his/her own editor over web tool, but it is strongly discouraged.	13:47
Daisy	I know that, amotoki.	13:47
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Daisy	Some translators like offline translation.	13:47
doug-fish	ugh	13:47
doug-fish	you should keep that capability a secret!	13:47
Daisy	While we are investigating the tool candidates, that's a required feature. :)	13:47
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Daisy	Maybe they think offline translating are quicker than online.	13:48
doug-fish	If translations had reviews and merge conflict resolutino like code I think that could work	13:48
ianychoi	One question: if IBM or Redhat contributes translations, and they are updated to Zanata, what would the name of updater ?	13:48
doug-fish	(I hope the answer is IBM or Redhat)	13:48
Daisy	doug-fish: while merging versions, I could select the option that the source strings will not be overwrited	13:48
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doug-fish	Daisy: does that option exist today?	13:49
Daisy	While merging versions, I could set an option that the source strings will not be overwrited.	13:49
Daisy	Yes	13:49
doug-fish	wow - that seems perfect	13:49
amotoki	great.	13:49
doug-fish	problem solved!	13:49
Daisy	We are digging more functions of Zanata while we use it. :)	13:49
Daisy	so next steps.	13:50
ianychoi	No-overwritting is so good functionality in Zanata!	13:50
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Daisy	I will continue the test on the test server. While I think it is OK, I will make versions in the production server. I will try groups too.	13:50
Daisy	doug-fish: do you want to upload 10 langauges ? or you plan to only upload a few ?	13:51
doug-fish	eventually ~10 languages and 8 or 9 projects	13:51
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doug-fish	but maybe going a few langauges/projects at a time would be wise	13:52
Daisy	doug-fish and his team will not upload translations to the log messages, because they know community translators still have concerns to log translations.	13:52
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Daisy	doug-fish: how do you select which langauges you want to upload ?	13:52
doug-fish	I'm not sure if it's better to upload translations for nova now (to help with the effort) or wait and propose them after the community has finished	13:52
doug-fish	any suggestion on that?	13:52
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Daisy	amotoki and ianychoi: your suggestions ?	13:53
Daisy	we have limited time.	13:53
amotoki	Talking about Japaense, nova translation has no good progress and it does not attract translators so far.	13:54
amotoki	so persoanlly I am okay for uploading, but I am afraid we have no more resource to review them.	13:54
Daisy	doug-fish: I like Nova translations too, as a Chinese coordinator.	13:54
ianychoi	I have not discussed with ujuc, Korean coordinator yet, but now I could not find any requirement to translate Nova strings to Korean from Korean guys.	13:55
doug-fish	So I will upload them - I understand that does not mean they will get merged	13:55
Daisy	again, all the uploading must to the review branch. amotoki: maybe you and your team go through the translations very quickly ?	13:55
doug-fish	this is really no different than what happens with code	13:55
amotoki	Daisy: I am not sure. At least I am short of resource for reviewing :-(	13:56
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doug-fish	I don't think we can upload any translations for Japanese at this time	13:56
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amotoki	Daisy: I will talk to katomo and other two folks from redhat.	13:56
doug-fish	Tom from my team has asked for membership on the team, but does not have it yet	13:56
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doug-fish	I assume membership will still be needed to propose translations?	13:56
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ianychoi	But I welcome uploading Korean nova translation strings from doug-fish , because this process would bring further discussions in Korea I think.	13:56
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Daisy	I hope we could get good progress with nova translating. nova.po only contains user facing messages.	13:57
amotoki	doug-fish: joining request to Japanese team?	13:57
doug-fish	ianychoi: yes, understood. Thanks	13:57
doug-fish	amotoki: yes, that's right	13:57
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amotoki	doug-fish: hmmm.. I must have missed it. please let me know again.	13:57
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doug-fish	sure, sounds good	13:58
Daisy	ok, guys.	13:58
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amotoki	doug-fish: joining process is completely manual in Zanata now.	13:58
ianychoi	doug-fish, thanks for your understanding :)	13:58
Daisy	It looks like we have to close the meeting.	13:58
Daisy	We are quit near to the end.	13:58
Daisy	Anything else ?	13:58
doug-fish	not here	13:58
ianychoi	No from me	13:58
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Daisy	Thank you guys, we really have a very good discussion here. I appreciate very much.	13:58
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ianychoi	Thank you all :)	13:59
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amotoki	thank you	13:59
Daisy	#endmeeting	13:59
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openstack	Meeting ended Thu Sep 17 13:59:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	13:59
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johnthetubaguy	#startmeeting nova	14:00
openstack	Meeting started Thu Sep 17 14:00:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	14:00
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)"		14:00
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'nova'	14:00
dansmith	o/	14:00
mriedem	hi	14:00
rlrossit	o/	14:00
edleafe	o/	14:00
claudiub	o/	14:00
markus_z	o/	14:00
lpetrut	o/	14:00
johnthetubaguy	welcome all	14:00
lawrancejing	o/	14:00
jlvillal	o/	14:00
tonyb	o/	14:00
johnthetubaguy	#topic Release Status	14:00
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garyk	\o	14:01
johnthetubaguy	#info Likely RC1 cut date: Tuesday 22nd September depends on an empty bug list here: https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/liberty-rc1	14:01
bauzas	\o	14:01
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dguitarbite	\o	14:01
johnthetubaguy	so basically all the release talk is going to be on bugs	14:01
johnthetubaguy	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=liberty-rc-potential	14:02
jroll	\o	14:02
ctrath	o/	14:02
alex_xu	o/	14:02
dansmith	johnthetubaguy: there are quite a number of tagged bugs that aren't necessary to hold up the rc I think	14:02
johnthetubaguy	thats the stuff that has self-declared as worth thinking about delaying the release	14:02
johnthetubaguy	yeah	14:02
tonyb	johnthetubaguy: are we still able to add that tag to bugs?	14:02
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johnthetubaguy	tonyb: sure	14:02
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bauzas	well, that list is mostly for best effort	14:03
dansmith	johnthetubaguy: any of the tagged bugs that are fix-committed we should target those to rc1 right?	14:03
johnthetubaguy	so are there any in that list (or otherwise) people are really worried about	14:03
johnthetubaguy	dansmith: the script will do that for us, but we can	14:03
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dansmith	oh, okay	14:03
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dansmith	johnthetubaguy: so there is only one bug on the list not already fixed	14:03
johnthetubaguy	yeah, release folks do that all by magic now	14:03
johnthetubaguy	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1491511	14:04
openstack	Launchpad bug 1491511 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Behavior change with latest nova paste config" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Alex Xu (xuhj)	14:04
johnthetubaguy	yeah	14:04
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markus_z	dansmith: There are more patches open AFAIK	14:04
markus_z	#link https://goo.gl/TvYmQy	14:04
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dansmith	markus_z: those are for tagged bugs	14:04
johnthetubaguy	markus_z: not that are marked as blockers though: https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/liberty-rc1	14:04
dansmith	not for the targetd ones	14:04
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markus_z	Ah, right	14:04
johnthetubaguy	so I think the above bug has eyes on it, still some discussion about missing one more bit of the API	14:05
markus_z	I want to annoy the subteams on IRC directly to have a look at the tagged bugs	14:05
johnthetubaguy	but any in the tagged list we need to target?	14:05
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bauzas	I don't think so	14:05
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dansmith	neither I	14:05
johnthetubaguy	yeah, they are more nice to haves really	14:06
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johnthetubaguy	and could be backported, if we have to	14:06
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bauzas	yup, no criticals	14:06
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markus_z	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1455252	14:06
openstack	Launchpad bug 1455252 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "enabling serial console breaks live migration" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Alexander Schmidt (alexs-h)	14:06
markus_z	^ break live migration, how about that one?	14:07
johnthetubaguy	#info if you see a release blocker, please shout at johnthetubaguy before end of his day on Monday, incase he doesn't notice you	14:07
alaski	I tagged https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1496557 yesterday	14:07
openstack	Launchpad bug 1496557 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "xenapi boot from volume is broken after move to ImageMeta object if volume passed in" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Andrew Laski (alaski)	14:07
bauzas	markus_z: that's workaroundable	14:07
markus_z	bauzas: How?	14:07
bauzas	(not sure the wording is correct tho :)	14:07
dansmith	alaski: ah, we should probably fix that	14:07
johnthetubaguy	alaski: that one is a nasty regression	14:07
tonyb	markus_z: disable serial_console :/	14:07
alaski	agreed	14:07
alaski	I have a fix up for it as well :)	14:07
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dansmith	alaski: link me	14:07
johnthetubaguy	I guess the live-migrate one is not a regression, it just never worked	14:08
bauzas	markus_z: yeah what tonyb said	14:08
alaski	dansmith: https://review.openstack.org/224286	14:08
markus_z	tonyb: :( That's not the workaround I hoped for...	14:08
dansmith	markus_z: that one has a fix landed, but is it not complete?	14:08
bauzas	johnthetubaguy: yup it's not a regression AFAIK	14:08
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markus_z	dansmith: The patches are up and +1'ed	14:08
markus_z	and would solve 2 bugs	14:08
tonyb	markus_z: I agree but I don't think we can actually fix it in the time we have.	14:09
bauzas	markus_z: we can ship RC1 without that and discuss about backporting if needed	14:09
dansmith	markus_z: ah, this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215102/	14:09
dansmith	markus_z: there is another partial-bug patch already landed for that bug, which was my point	14:10
markus_z	dansmith: yeah, right	14:10
dansmith	markus_z: that one touches a lot of stuff and is backportable	14:10
markus_z	dansmith: The partial one got merged	14:10
dansmith	which makes it not critical I think,	14:10
johnthetubaguy	yeah, seems like the sting has been taken out of the tail of that bug	14:10
dansmith	but I'll take a look at it today	14:10
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bauzas	markus_z: there is no need to hold RC1 for that one	14:11
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markus_z	dansmith: thanks	14:11
johnthetubaguy	cool, so lets do shout about these more critical ones in channel and work out what to do	14:11
markus_z	bauzas: (sad) ack	14:11
johnthetubaguy	lets more on too...	14:11
johnthetubaguy	#topic bugs	14:11
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johnthetubaguy	yeah, so we covered most of this	14:11
johnthetubaguy	anything else people have?	14:11
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markus_z	The "new" ones are rising	14:12
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markus_z	Is that normal in this timeframe?	14:12
johnthetubaguy	thats a good heads up	14:12
johnthetubaguy	sort of	14:12
tonyb	markus_z: I'd expect so.	14:12
johnthetubaguy	people do lots of testing	14:12
johnthetubaguy	but we need to be sure we spot any nasty ones ASAP	14:12
johnthetubaguy	so help with that would be very welcome	14:12
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: anything on the gate or other such things?	14:13
kashyap	markus_z: Guess the legitimate ones will be revealed ones those "new" bugs triaged.	14:13
mriedem	just the grenade thing on stable,	14:13
mriedem	that tonyb fixed	14:13
bauzas	markus_z: 65 new, I guess most of them not tagged yet?	14:13
kashyap	s/bugs/bugs are/	14:13
tonyb	mriedem: well I broke it so ....	14:13
mriedem	tonyb: i +1ed :)	14:13
mriedem	and dims_ released it	14:13
mriedem	so we're all to blame	14:13
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markus_z	bauzas: ~10 left, I'm finished by end of the day	14:14
bauzas	markus_z: cool, ty!	14:14
johnthetubaguy	markus_z: top work, thank you!	14:14
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johnthetubaguy	cool, so hair shirts all round, but otherwise, everything is OK	14:14
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johnthetubaguy	#topic Design Summit	14:15
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johnthetubaguy	#link http://goo.gl/forms/D2Qk8XGhZ6	14:15
markus_z	kashyap: I hope so. I fear that the triaging gets overwhelming for the subteams, I still have to talk to them.	14:15
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* dansmith needs a british decoder for that one		14:15
johnthetubaguy	suggestions welcome	14:15
johnthetubaguy	dansmith: heh, oops, something about monks punishing themselves for their sin	14:15
dansmith	hmm	14:15
markus_z	johnthetubaguy: You've probably seen it, melwit mentioned that the Chinese members have issues with google forms.	14:15
johnthetubaguy	markus_z: ah, yes	14:16
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johnthetubaguy	markus_z: basically, email me, and I can add it into the spreadsheet	14:16
johnthetubaguy	I should reply about that	14:16
tonyb	johnthetubaguy: if you're busy I can do the email -> forms proxying thing	14:16
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johnthetubaguy	tonyb: that would be handy actually, thank you	14:17
bauzas	johnthetubaguy: could you also scrub the document ? some rows are just... flood	14:17
johnthetubaguy	bauzas: yeah, we can	14:17
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johnthetubaguy	I can share some permissions if people fancy tidying	14:17
bauzas	johnthetubaguy: not speaking of removing proposals, just onelining long sentences	14:17
johnthetubaguy	oh, well, thats OK, they can stay there	14:18
* bauzas is very badly placed for speaking about brevity		14:18
johnthetubaguy	I will just not read them	14:18
johnthetubaguy	well, I mean, they are unlikey to get picked	14:18
johnthetubaguy	anyways, we digress...	14:18
johnthetubaguy	thanks for raising the china and google issue, I think we just paper around that with email for now	14:19
johnthetubaguy	#topic Open Discussion	14:19
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johnthetubaguy	so nothing on the agenda for stuck reviews or open	14:19
johnthetubaguy	anyone got anything they want to cover?	14:19
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mriedem	crickets	14:20
johnthetubaguy	yeah	14:20
clarkb	I will mention that we are pushing translation to nova from zanata now (instead of transifex), process for noca reviewers is the same but the topic has changed	14:20
markus_z	It would have been great if more people from the subteams would have participated in the tagging of rc blockers.	14:20
clarkb	and being close to rc would be good to get those merged if possible	14:20
johnthetubaguy	clarkb: ah, good heads up, thank you	14:20
clarkb	new topic is zanata/translations	14:20
garyk	markus_z: we have tagged them and have patches in review…	14:21
garyk	they just are not top priority…	14:21
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markus_z	garyk: johnthetubaguy did the bunch of the work here, IIUC	14:21
johnthetubaguy	clarkb: there used to be a script for updating those translations, I guess that changes?	14:21
markus_z	I just wanted to mention it.	14:21
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jroll	johnthetubaguy: quick thing, on the summit doc my topic title is my name... somehow >.> mind fixing that?	14:22
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clarkb	ya the jenkins jobs are updated and running automatically now	14:22
dansmith	jroll: I saw that	14:22
dansmith	jroll: figured you were just that big of a deal now	14:22
johnthetubaguy	clarkb: ok cool, will take a peak at that topic	14:22
jroll	dansmith: I mean, we can sit around and talk about me for 40 minutes, that's fine too	14:22
dansmith	"45 minutes of staring at jroll" -> approved	14:22
dansmith	heh	14:23
dims_	haha	14:23
jroll	lol	14:23
* johnthetubaguy giggles		14:23
markus_z	:D	14:23
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johnthetubaguy	jroll: yeah, will take a peak to fix that :)	14:23
jroll	thanks!	14:23
johnthetubaguy	I guess we are done	14:23
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johnthetubaguy	thanks all	14:23
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johnthetubaguy	have 35 mins back, for more reviews, obviously :)	14:24
bauzas	\o/	14:24
johnthetubaguy	#endmeeting	14:24
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gordc	#startmeeting ceilometer	15:00
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openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	15:00
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gordc	cool lets' get started	15:02
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gordc	#topic liberty-rc1 status	15:03
liusheng	o/	15:03
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gordc	we're currently targetting the beginning of next week for initial rc1 tags	15:03
ildikov	o/	15:03
gordc	this is list of items we're currently aiming for: https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/liberty-rc1	15:03
gordc	for reviewers, if you can focus on these items that'd be great	15:03
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gordc	if there are any additional items that need to be targeted for rc1 and aren't please let one of the cores know	15:04
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gordc	so we don't tag without your patch.	15:04
KrishR	o/	15:04
gordc	are there any items of concern so far in testing?	15:04
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gordc	i haven't noticed any huge blockers... some performance tweaks required.	15:05
gordc	i should mention cdent is not here today so he won't fill white space and i'd rather not talk to myself.	15:05
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jd__	I'm reading you gordc	15:06
nadya	gordc: you are not alone!	15:06
pradk	:)	15:06
gordc	lol alright.	15:06
gordc	i'm assuming no blockers currently?	15:06
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pradk	I havent seen anything specific yet	15:07
ildikov	gordc: no blockers that i would know of and noticed we need focus on reviews listed on Launchpad :)	15:07
gordc	yeah... so please raise asap if anything comes up. early next week is our first deadline.	15:07
ildikov	gordc: we just try to support you in having a short meeting ;)	15:07
gordc	ildikov: :)	15:07
gordc	ok. next topic then.	15:08
gordc	#topic recurring: Gnocchi status	15:08
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gordc	anything to update? jd__ ?	15:08
jd__	I just released 1.2.0	15:09
sileht	python-gnocchiclient lives in openstack namespace since yesterday	15:09
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jd__	so high five to everyone	15:09
gordc	jd__, sileht: nice!	15:09
ildikov	\o/ :)	15:09
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gordc	sileht: is there code in ceilometer that we can pull out? or is gnocchiclient not stable enough?	15:10
sileht	gordc, this is a very light gnocchi client	15:10
sileht	gordc, it can only CRUB archivepolicy and resources	15:10
sileht	gordc, not yet metrics and measurements	15:10
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sileht	CRUB/CRUD	15:10
jd__	but that's on roadmap yeah	15:10
gordc	sileht: ok. so we'll aim for M* to refactor gnocchi dispatcher.	15:10
sileht	jd__, of course	15:11
sileht	gordc, yes	15:11
gordc	sounds good folks!	15:11
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gordc	#topic ceilometer mentoring	15:12
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gordc	this is just an fyi but to follow up on ildikov's mention in previous meeting about mentoring	15:12
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gordc	you can sign up to mentor starting next week (sept22 - oct27)	15:12
gordc	more details can be found here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074399.html	15:12
gordc	so if you'd like to have an extra resource to help with an idea you have, feel free to apply.	15:13
ildikov	gordc: right, thanks for bringing it up!	15:14
gordc	maybe mention it if you think one of the design session proposals are a easy in for a new dev	15:14
jd__	we could have someone on gnocchiclient maybe	15:14
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gordc	jd__: yes that's possible. i think the resource will select based on interest so you'll need to sell client work pretty hard.	15:15
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ildikov	or I don't know what direction we will move regarding Gnocchi-Ceilo integration, etc. but that can be an area too maybe	15:15
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gordc	ildikov: right... just wanted to get people thinking about the idea. we have a few weeks but if you have an idea now, applications start next week	15:16
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gordc	ildikov: if you have a apiv3 i'm interested too. :)	15:17
ildikov	jd__: wasn't taht the agreement that it will mostly be Gnocchi's API? :)	15:17
jd__	ildikov: s/mostly// :)	15:17
jd__	gordc: I might have some idea but not sure I'll have the time to mentor TBH	15:18
ildikov	jd__: ok, then I guess we just need to clean up from Ceiilo that we don't need anymore, right? ;)	15:18
gordc	jd__: ildikov: it's probably something worth discussing. how we envision the apis existing. metrics, events, alarms.	15:18
jd__	ildikov: what do you think I'm doing! ;)	15:18
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gordc	jd__: yes, i believe it requires some commitment.	15:18
ildikov	jd__: ;)	15:18
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gordc	i think worse case you can propose an idea and see if another dev has time to mentor	15:18
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jd__	gordc: been there	15:19
ildikov	yeap, if definitely needs, this is why I'm in trouble and did not volunteer :(	15:19
jd__	I think the worst thing is that it takes more time than to it takes to do the job	15:19
jd__	and that each time we lost the mentee	15:19
nadya	events may be interesting field	15:19
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gordc	jd__: i see... yeah maybe we need to minimise scope of topic.	15:20
nadya	who is mentee usually? student?	15:20
jd__	gordc: I don't think that solves the issues I raised, but I don't know either what the solution might be!	15:20
jd__	just my feedback	15:20
gordc	but yeah not a must have to mentor. just making sure everyone is aware of opporutunity	15:20
jd__	nadya: not necessarily	15:20
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jd__	nadya: can be someone looking to start doing programming stuff	15:20
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nadya	jd__: they may don't know python?	15:21
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gordc	nadya: possibly. i think you need to mention degree of experience required when proposing ideas.	15:22
jd__	nadya: they are supposed to be familiar a bit with Python and OpenStack (they start on their own a bit before to prove they can do some stuff)	15:22
nadya	ok, I see	15:22
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ildikov	nadya: I think there should be some minimum requirements, but I would need to check the wiki page again to be sure	15:22
gordc	cool cool. let's open it up for general discussion.	15:23
gordc	#topic open discussion	15:23
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llu-laptop	Is there any presentation in Tokyo summit about ceilometer's best practise?	15:23
llu-laptop	like the one gordc did in Vancouver	15:24
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gordc	llu-laptop: i don't think any ceilometer talks were chosen.	15:24
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llu-laptop	:(	15:24
jd__	so some of us would like to poll operators about Ceilometer and how they use it	15:24
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gordc	seems like the criteria was more ops/product driven	15:24
jd__	rather than doing that at the summit, we would like to have that done as a broader scope	15:24
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jd__	(you know, Internet, mailing list etc)	15:24
nadya	llu-laptop: good question! Also, I'm interested about best practices for Mongo tuning...	15:24
llu-laptop	how to do the polling thing?	15:25
nijaba	there was also a lot less rooms to do do conference talks than in previous summit	15:25
gordc	nijaba: ^ that as well.	15:25
jd__	so far pradk put a questionnaire https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-operator-questions	15:25
pradk	can we propose topics for the ops sessions?	15:25
nijaba	llu-laptop: I was proposing to setup a survey either in gdoc or survey monkey and open it as wide as possible	15:25
jd__	just a set of questions we envision sending to operators with an online survey, I guess jasonamyers would be interested :)	15:25
pradk	precisely where i was getting at , thanks jd__ for the link	15:25
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jasonamyers	I am jd__	15:26
gordc	pradk: i haven't heard if they will be doing an ops-project session again like vancouver	15:26
jd__	so feel free to add more questions	15:26
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gordc	jd__: are you going to post to operators list>	15:26
gordc	?*	15:26
jd__	gordc: me or someone that has better connection (hint jasonamyers)	15:26
pradk	gordc, hmm ok, i guess we can have an ops feedback session if we have an extra slot?	15:26
jasonamyers	I don't have better connections	15:26
jd__	:D	15:26
jasonamyers	it's better to come from a project leader	15:27
gordc	pradk: that sounds like an idea.	15:27
jasonamyers	and I'll make sure it gets distributed internally and to partners	15:27
jd__	cool	15:27
jd__	gordc: you're up to that?	15:27
gordc	kk, i can post. we might want to refine some the questions	15:27
jd__	definitely	15:27
gordc	jd__: do you have a pool of money to entice people to answer	15:27
jd__	gordc: also we can probably leverage some online tools (surveymonk or google forms or something like that)	15:28
jd__	gordc: we're offering our time! that's money	15:28
gordc	lol	15:28
gordc	so i'm still waiting on the openstack survey where we submitted the original ceilometer question	15:28
pradk	gordc, will add to etherpad, we can include an ops feedback session if we have time	15:28
gordc	i believe we should have responses soon (i need to recheck email)	15:28
gordc	jd__: oh. actually i have a great place to ask these questions	15:29
jd__	gordc: ok, maybe add something to this meeting agenda to keep track of that?	15:29
nadya	jasonamyers: what is the last day to become mid-cycle participant? :)	15:29
jasonamyers	shrug?	15:29
jasonamyers	It would be helpful to know Oct ish	15:29
gordc	the product WG just ask this exact question to me (if there was any questions we wanted to ask users)	15:29
jasonamyers	if we are going to hvae one	15:29
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jasonamyers	after we know we are going to meet, there is not limit	15:30
jd__	gordc: cool	15:30
gordc	i'm sure we can forward this list to Product WG so they can distribute to whoever is part of it. (hopefully it goes beyond managers)	15:30
jd__	gordc: that + operators would be good indeed	15:30
jasonamyers	that's my real problem is needing to get budget stuff established and dates for spending set nadya	15:30
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gordc	nadya: there are two times.. one in nov/dec, one in jan	15:32
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nadya	gordc: visit Dublin 2 times? I would stay there through nov-jan then	15:33
jasonamyers	haha	15:33
gordc	nadya: lol no no just different options	15:33
nadya	:)	15:33
gordc	only one slot would be chosen... and probably 2-3 days within the timerange	15:33
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jasonamyers	basically I'm open anytime from Nov 30-Jan 30	15:33
jasonamyers	and any 3 days in there for meetings and we can have workspace for 5 if needed	15:34
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gordc	5 days to make up for midcycles missed.lol	15:34
jasonamyers	haha	15:34
jasonamyers	I'm going to work from the office there for a week	15:35
jasonamyers	so if others need coworking space for the other 2 days I'm happy to host them :P	15:35
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gordc	jasonamyers: nice.	15:35
gordc	so any other topics?	15:35
gordc	#action review list of questions for operators and send to ops list and product wg	15:36
gordc	#action fill out availability for midcycle, put blank if you aren't coming	15:36
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gordc	final countdown.	15:36
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jasonamyers	If we don't get enough we should still do a virtual one	15:37
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pradk	+1	15:37
gordc	jasonamyers: +	15:37
jasonamyers	but I will be sad I didn't get to go to dublin	15:37
jasonamyers	:P	15:37
nijaba	gordc: I would still advocate to setup a survey tool instead of just sending the question	15:37
nijaba	and would be happy to do so	15:37
gordc	nijaba: agree. any preference on survey tool?	15:38
nijaba	gordc: either survey monkey of gdoc	15:38
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gordc	nijaba: ack. i'll just verify how accessible either one is and choose based on that.	15:39
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gordc	shall we close off? any additional items?	15:39
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llu-laptop	b.t.w, just heard that US has the most individual foundation members	15:40
nijaba	gordc: let me know when you think the list of q is final, and I'll gladly set it up	15:40
llu-laptop	more than 30%	15:40
llu-laptop	India is the second, China is the 3rd	15:40
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gordc	nijaba: sure thing. i'll sync with jd__ in case you're not in irc.	15:40
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gordc	llu-laptop: canada?lol	15:41
gordc	we probably got lumped with usa	15:41
llu-laptop	can't remember the actual number.	15:41
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llu-laptop	only remember seeing former USSR in that list	15:42
gordc	llu-laptop: cool stuff.	15:43
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llu-laptop	totally, more than 150 countries	15:43
gordc	llu-laptop: nice. i'm going to close off this meeting. will ping you for link in openstack-ceilometer	15:44
gordc	thanks for attending folks	15:44
gordc	#endmeeting	15:44
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vishwanathj	Hello	16:00
sridhar_ram	hi tackers!	16:00
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sridhar_ram	who is here ?	16:01
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sripriya	o/	16:01
sridhar_ram	vishwanathj: hi	16:01
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bobh	o/	16:01
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sridhar_ram	lets start	16:02
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trozet	hi sridhar_ram, I'm here	16:02
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sridhar_ram	#startmeeting tacker	16:02
openstack	Meeting started Thu Sep 17 16:02:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	16:03
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	16:03
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sridhar_ram	trozet: hi	16:03
sridhar_ram	#chair bobh	16:03
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openstack	Current chairs: bobh sridhar_ram	16:03
sridhar_ram	#topic Announcements	16:03
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sridhar_ram	Today's agenda is here - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Sep_17.2C_2015	16:04
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sridhar_ram	anything else to discuss beyond that ?	16:04
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Rajkumar_	Hi Everyone	16:05
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sridhar_ram	Rajkumar_: hi!	16:05
sridhar_ram	few general announcements ...	16:05
sridhar_ram	our first functional test landed in Tacker - thanks a lot santosh!	16:06
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sridhar_ram	now you can run 'tox -e functional' on a running tacker devstack to exercise these tests	16:06
sridhar_ram	more tests are expected to be added over time...!	16:06
lsp42	nice	16:07
sripriya	yey!	16:07
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sridhar_ram	I'm working w/ infra team to add a gate-job to hook them up to the gate...	16:07
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sridhar_ram	initially it will be non-voting .. meaning it won't block a merge but the core team would expect the tests to pass	16:08
sripriya	sridhar_ram: do we need to write a post_hookup script for the job or is just configuration in project-yaml?	16:08
sridhar_ram	once we gain some confidence we will move it voting	16:08
sridhar_ram	sripriya: still working thru' them .. I'm hoping existing gate-functional-dsvm hook should be sufficient but it still to be seen	16:09
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sridhar_ram	Next on Tokyo summit ..	16:10
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sripriya	sridhar_ram: cool	16:10
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sridhar_ram	I've grabbed a BoF (Birds-of-Feather) session for OpenStack NFV Orchestration ...	16:10
sridhar_ram	it will be on Tuesday 12:05 - 12:40 ... so please mark your calendars	16:11
sridhar_ram	it will show up in the main conference schedule soon	16:11
sridhar_ram	It is a fish bowl style session (upto 30 people I guess) ..	16:12
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sridhar_ram	we should invite our partner orgs like ETSI, TOSCA, OPNFV and other developers to attend and provide inputs	16:12
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sridhar_ram	Last .. our Liberty Release deadline in next week Sept 25 !	16:13
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sridhar_ram	just one week to go ..	16:13
sridhar_ram	lets move on..	16:13
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sridhar_ram	#topic Liberty Release Status	16:13
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sridhar_ram	#topic Health Monitoring	16:13
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sridhar_ram	bobh: please take over ...	16:13
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bobh	I pushed the basic framework last night as WIP	16:14
sridhar_ram	bobh: that's cool !	16:14
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bobh	I'm still working on the link between the template processing in heat.py and the monitoring thread	16:14
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bobh	Hoping to have that in place tomorrow so I can start testing	16:15
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bobh	Working with tbh for http-ping, unit tests and devrefs	16:15
sridhar_ram	bobh: that's nice ..	16:15
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bobh	I think it will be similar enough to the ETSI spec and we can tweak from that	16:16
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bobh	There are some larger design issues that will need to be addressed at some point but this is a good start	16:17
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sridhar_ram	bobh: agree, the last iteration of the spec looks reasoanable ..	16:17
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bobh	That's all I have unless anyone has questions/comments	16:17
sridhar_ram	bobh: of course we need to get the spec merged ... ;-)	16:18
sripriya	i guess we have 2 WIP for monitoring framework.. one from bobh and other from tbh	16:18
sridhar_ram	I know we doing are things in parallel .. as we are short on time	16:18
bobh	minor details... I'll push the final(?) version today	16:18
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sridhar_ram	bobh: I'm quite happy w/ the spec.. one thing I would like to see is the abstract class interface .. we can take that up in the code-review	16:19
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bobh	I copied the class from Mgmt but we can modify as needed	16:20
bobh	Its definitely more than we need at the moment but I think it provides a good framework for future expansion	16:20
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sridhar_ram	bobh: agree..	16:20
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sridhar_ram	team - if you've any last minute thoughts on health-mon .. please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202126/	16:21
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sridhar_ram	bobh: anything else ?	16:21
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bobh	not that I can think of	16:22
sridhar_ram	sripriya: I believe tbh and bobh are consolidating the two WIP patches...	16:22
sridhar_ram	tbh: ping	16:22
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sridhar_ram	okay .. lets move on to SFC	16:23
sripriya	sridhar_ram: i see	16:23
sridhar_ram	s3wong: ping	16:23
sridhar_ram	#topic Tacker-SFC	16:23
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sridhar_ram	trozet: hi, can you provide some quick updates from OPNFV-SFC of things..?	16:24
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trozet	sridhar_ram: sure	16:24
sridhar_ram	it will be good to hear where we stand w.r.t SFC & Tacker !	16:24
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trozet	so OPNFV has a scope limitation where we cannot release any VNFM/MANO application as part of a release	16:24
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trozet	due to a conflict of vendor interests when OPNFV was formed	16:25
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s3wong	hello, sorry	16:25
trozet	so this is kind of a dumb limitation, and the chair of OPNFV (Chris Price) has agreed to re-examine the scope after our next release which is Feb 2nd	16:25
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trozet	so the tl;dr is they wont let Tacker be in the next release as an official part	16:26
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trozet	but I also lead an installer project in OPNFV (Apex), I will continue to do the Tacker work with you guys upstream and then get it into our installer for the next release	16:26
trozet	as an unofficial "experimental testing feature"	16:27
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sridhar_ram	trozet: that's awesome!	16:27
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sridhar_ram	to make that happen.. which openstack release would OPNFV release base on ?	16:28
sridhar_ram	s3wong: hi	16:28
trozet	it will be Liberty O/S and Lithium ODL	16:28
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sridhar_ram	trozet: I guess we need to find a way to get the tacker SFC work done off our liberty branch	16:29
trozet	sridhar_ram: is that OK with you?	16:30
sridhar_ram	overall I'm fine w/ tacker not directly part of OPNFV release .. and going in as experimental feat on top of B will give us room to iron out our initial issues..	16:30
trozet	ok	16:31
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sridhar_ram	trozet: that's a question to the team here ... looking for ideas how to support this effort	16:31
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sridhar_ram	with the constraint that OPNFV B release is going to be Liberty based	16:32
sridhar_ram	team - any thoughts ?	16:32
trozet	yeah I will probably need some help as this is the first time I've modified/done any openstack dev work	16:32
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bobh	sounds like a good plan - a head start on Liberty will be nice	16:32
sridhar_ram	trozet: don't worry, we have many folks here to guide / help you	16:33
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trozet	so I will work on the spec, shall that be proposed on master or a liberty branch?	16:34
sridhar_ram	bobh: the challenge is to have make a liberty release with everything else we have - SFC and then somehow accommodate SFC	16:34
s3wong	sridhar_ram, trozet: when is OPNFV B release going to be?	16:34
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trozet	s3wong: set for Feb 2nd	16:34
sridhar_ram	one option is to make multiple Liberty release - kinda along the lines of ODL's SR1, SR2...	16:34
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s3wong	sridhar_ram: I guess a special Liberty Tacker release for SFC is probably the answer	16:36
s3wong	sridhar_ram: I don't think as a team we want to get into a habit of having in-cycle release, probably just special case	16:37
sripriya	do we work on tacker master for SFC and then backport to Liberty for a SR once OpenStack is released for Liberty...?	16:37
sridhar_ram	s3wong: agree, this would be an exception..	16:37
s3wong	sridhar_ram: since Tacker isn't an OpenStack tent project, and even if it is, it would likely forever be 'release: independent', one option would actually be releasing Liberty sometimes in Dec/Jan with the SFC stuff integrated	16:38
sridhar_ram	s3wong: we need better planning w/ downstream projects .. and even other way around	16:38
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sridhar_ram	here is a proposal :)	16:38
sridhar_ram	lets pull a stable/release close to 09/25 for features currently in the pipeline..	16:39
sridhar_ram	* stable/liberty	16:39
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sridhar_ram	pull a sfc branch off stable/liberty and have trozet develop code there ... do another liberty-sfc release	16:40
sridhar_ram	... after merge to stable/liberty	16:40
sridhar_ram	then double commit the sfc feature to master .. towards mitaka	16:40
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trozet	makes sense to me	16:41
sripriya	sridhar_ram: agree on the plan	16:41
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bobh	sridhar_ram: +1	16:41
sridhar_ram	s3wong: you get the last word !	16:42
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sridhar_ram	there is bit of branch merge logistics .. but doable IMO	16:42
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s3wong	sridhar_ram: I am OK with that --- given that based on this cycle's development propensity, I don't think we expect a lot of checkins between summit and Jan/Feb (when I presume the SFC stuff would have to work very well)	16:43
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s3wong	so presumably there should be minimal syncing between the stable branch and the sfc-dev branch	16:43
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sridhar_ram	s3wong: agree...	16:43
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sridhar_ram	I hope sfc branch is a short lived one and we quickly get things into master to march on	16:44
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sridhar_ram	I've seen the speed at which trozet codes - so I'm not worried ;-)	16:45
s3wong	sridhar_ram: so you are going to take the action item to pull the stable and sfc-dev branches? :-)	16:45
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trozet	just a heads up also - there is development work to be done in the lower layers (OVS, ODL) which will be handled in the OPNFV SFC project	16:45
sridhar_ram	s3wong: yeah, I'll take up the branch logistics	16:45
trozet	so the main tacker sfc stuff working with ODL will depend on ^ being complete	16:45
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s3wong	trozet: is the OPNFV team pushing to get NSH support (finally) into OVS upstream?	16:46
sridhar_ram	trozet: understood, there are many moving parts here...	16:46
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trozet	s3wong: its complicated :) Intel is pushing a patch upstream (they estimated within the next 1-2 weeks) that allows Ethernet+NSH, but only with dpdk	16:47
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s3wong	trozet: Oh, that is funky...	16:47
trozet	s3wong: OPNFV SFC wants a dpdk and non-dpdk solution	16:47
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trozet	s3wong: using the unofficial patch nshv8 that Cisco made works with ODL SFC, but it doesn't work when integrating into openstack without hacks and workarounds	16:48
trozet	s3wong: so there are problems to solve and work to be done there, before we can actually render a service function chain into OVS from Tacker	16:48
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sridhar_ram	trozet: with Lithium already released .. is this even doable ? that is to get openstack --> ODL-Li --> patched OVS-NSH to work ?	16:49
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s3wong	trozet: yeah, I remember seeing the patch from the Cisco (vCider folks, I believe) on ovs-dev back in early 2013; at that time blp's point is we need to wait for official UDP port number for NSH, and now we have had it for about a year now, and still not in OVS :-)	16:49
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trozet	sridhar_ram: well how it goes is we have to release by default with Liberty and Lithium...however our installer can have a flag to install a certain version of ODL	16:50
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s3wong	trozet: yeah, we at Neutron networking-sfc is also waiting for it. Neutron leadership does NOT allow OVS forks to be the data path backend	16:50
trozet	sridhar_ram: so we have some flexibility there, especially with calling Tacker SFC experimental	16:51
sridhar_ram	I see...	16:51
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sridhar_ram	however the openstack pieces will be Liberty .. is there any room to pick something newer ?	16:51
trozet	s3wong: so you are working on the networking-sfc? We can work together to make sure the spec is abstract enough to meet both versions of SFC (odl + neutron)	16:52
s3wong	trozet: yes, I am a core there as well	16:52
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trozet	sridhar_ram: technically yes, we could have a flag to install a different openstack, but our limitation is our installer (RDO-Manager) which relies on RDO	16:52
s3wong	trozet: and we should work together to get Tacker to work with both	16:53
trozet	sridhar_ram: I'm not sure when RDO would have M support, and if Tacker is included	16:53
sridhar_ram	trozet: okay, then the proposal we painted earlier is the best IMO..	16:53
trozet	i think so	16:53
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sridhar_ram	s3wong: trozet: I do believe Tacker-SFC could eventually converge with networking-sfc... but for now lets not make networkign-sfc as a dependency for Tacker-SFC	16:54
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sridhar_ram	we have enough dependency already - ODL, OVS, etc... :)	16:54
trozet	oh ok you want to keep it separate	16:54
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s3wong	sridhar_ram: I don't think for Liberty we are making it a dependency	16:55
sridhar_ram	but totally agree and support the common cause to get OVS pieces in plance	16:55
sridhar_ram	*place	16:55
s3wong	sridhar_ram, trozet: but my guess is eventually even ODL SFC team would want to integrate with networking-sfc	16:55
sridhar_ram	s3wong: agree..	16:55
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sridhar_ram	here is the slide deck I circulated to OPNFV-SFC team..	16:56
sridhar_ram	#link https://drive.google.com/open?id=18AGaiysVgHOd_fIHVpObMO7zUkMjJGOQ98CUwkxU1xo	16:56
trozet	s3wong: that party is still fuzzy to me as well.	16:56
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sridhar_ram	it show the different phases on how we could evolve Tacker SFC towards networking-sfc	16:56
trozet	sridhar_ram, s3wong: but for Tacker, you want one SFC API that serves both ODL-SFC and networking-sfc, no?	16:56
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s3wong	trozet: that would be ideal	16:57
sridhar_ram	trozet: absolutely	16:57
sridhar_ram	atleast that should be the goal..	16:57
trozet	sridhar_ram: ok just wanted to make sure that was the intent	16:57
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sridhar_ram	NFV operators wouldn't (or shouldn't ) care how a SF chain is realized underneath	16:58
sridhar_ram	folks we are close to our time limit..	16:58
sridhar_ram	lets wrap..	16:58
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sridhar_ram	lets march on w/ the plan we proposed earlier...	16:58
sridhar_ram	I'll take the action items to do the branch logistics..	16:59
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sridhar_ram	meanwhile lets get the health-mon in place by next week...	16:59
sridhar_ram	reviewers - please help out!	16:59
sridhar_ram	going to be busy week..	16:59
sridhar_ram	talk to all next week !	17:00
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sridhar_ram	#endmeeting	17:00
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings \|\| https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"		17:00
openstack	Meeting ended Thu Sep 17 17:00:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	17:00
openstack	Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-09-17-16.02.html	17:00
openstack	Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-09-17-16.02.txt	17:00
openstack	Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-09-17-16.02.log.html	17:00
sripriya	thanks everyone! bye!	17:00
bobh	bye	17:00
sridhar_ram	bye folks	17:00
s3wong	bye	17:00
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daneyon_	#startmeeting container-networking	18:00
openstack	Meeting started Thu Sep 17 18:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is daneyon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	18:00
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	18:00
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openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'container_networking'	18:00
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daneyon_	Agenda	18:00
daneyon_	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda	18:00
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daneyon_	I'll give everyone a minute to review the agenda	18:01
daneyon_	#topic roll call	18:01
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daneyon_	o/	18:01
Tango	Ton Ngo	18:01
s3wong	Stephen Wong	18:01
eghobo	o/	18:01
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daneyon_	Thank you Tango s3wong eghobo for joining	18:02
daneyon_	#topic Discuss Kuryr Design Spec	18:02
daneyon_	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213490/	18:02
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daneyon_	I have just given my +1 vote to the spec	18:02
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daneyon_	I think it's in good shape and thanks to gsagie for putting a ton of effoert into it	18:02
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daneyon_	I think it was well worth going through the process. I have a much better understanding of what kuryr is and is not, along with near-term/long-term dev activities	18:03
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daneyon_	I hope the rest of the groups agrees	18:03
Tango	+1	18:03
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Tango	I think it was a good exercise for the Kuryr team also	18:04
daneyon_	I would like to take this time for everyone to perform a quick review of the spec and cast your vote.	18:04
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daneyon_	If you cast a -1, please be very clear on what you need from gsagie for a +1 vote and follow up with the spec	18:04
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daneyon_	#action everyone who votes on the kuryr design spec to continue tracking the spec to completion by voting.	18:05
daneyon_	Tango agreed	18:05
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daneyon_	I'll give the team until :15 to reconvene, please take this time to review and vote on the spec.	18:06
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daneyon_	t- 2 minutes	18:13
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hongbin	o/	18:14
daneyon_	I see Tango has casted a vote. eghobo and s3wong do you need more time to review and cast a vote?	18:15
eghobo	yes, I would like to think a little	18:15
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daneyon_	hongbin I have asked the team to review the kuryr spec and cast a vote. If -1, pls provide a detailed comment on what is needed for your +1 vote	18:15
s3wong	daneyon_: I am good	18:15
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daneyon_	I am asking this of the team, b/c the kuryr team is looking for our support.	18:15
daneyon_	It is very important to them that the magnum community is on board with the direction of the project.	18:16
daneyon_	hongbin do you need a link to the spec?	18:16
daneyon_	thank you s3wong	18:16
hongbin	daneyon_: no. I am good	18:16
hongbin	thx	18:16
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daneyon_	hongbin great... thank you.	18:17
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hongbin	I think their spec is good. I cannot find anything unstatisfied	18:18
daneyon_	eghobo no problem, I don't want you to feel rushed. Take the time you need, I just ask that if -1 the spec to please provide a detailed comment on what is needed for your +1 vote. As you can see the spec has been in action for a while. Thanks!	18:19
daneyon_	hongbin agreed, that's why it finally got my +1 ;-)	18:19
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daneyon_	hongbin take the time you need to review, just please cast your vote and if -1 the spec to please provide a detailed comment on what is needed for your +1 vote. Thanks!	18:20
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daneyon_	lets proceed	18:20
daneyon_	#topic Discuss Kuryr Integration Blueprint	18:20
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daneyon_	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr/+spec/containers-in-instances	18:20
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daneyon_	although the bp is named container-in-instances, IMO the details of the bp cover the main points oof Magnum integration.	18:21
hongbin	daneyon_: I have +1	18:21
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daneyon_	The bp details were derived from the integration ep that we put together	18:21
daneyon_	#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-kuryr	18:21
daneyon_	I would like to give the group until :30 to review the contents of the bp.	18:22
daneyon_	If you have any questions or concerns, please use the meeting irc to communicate	18:22
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daneyon_	t- 2 minutes	18:28
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daneyon_	I suggest subscribing yourself to the blueprint if you intend to stay involved with integrating magnum and kuryr.	18:30
daneyon_	Any questions or concerns regarding the kuryr integration bp?	18:30
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daneyon_	I would expect the details of this blueprint to get broken-out into smaller bp's for the different tasks.	18:31
hongbin	daneyon_: do you have the link to the integration bp?	18:31
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daneyon_	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr/+spec/containers-in-instances	18:31
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Tango	brand new one	18:32
hongbin	daneyon_: Oh, this one. Sorry I saw that	18:32
daneyon_	in hindsight, I should have chosen a different name. Let me update the name real quick	18:32
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Tango	yeah the name is not obvious	18:33
daneyon_	give me 2 min to update	18:33
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daneyon_	done	18:34
daneyon_	go ahead a refresh	18:34
daneyon_	and	18:34
hongbin	yes, it is better :)	18:34
daneyon_	lets proceed with our agenda	18:34
daneyon_	thx hongbin	18:34
daneyon_	#topic Discuss Magnum Container Networking in Swarm Bay Type Issue. Details were posted to the mailer.	18:34
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daneyon_	#link https://etherpad.mozilla.org/QB349WdtL8	18:35
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daneyon_	I will give everyone until :40 to review the link	18:35
hongbin	daneyon_: I think the default value of discover_url is configurable	18:36
hongbin	Maybe a solution is to define the default discovery_url for each bay in config file	18:36
daneyon_	hongbin that is correct	18:36
daneyon_	but the issue is bigger than that	18:36
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daneyon_	hongbin can you take another look at my explanation and let me know if you understand the issue I'm facing?	18:37
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* hongbin reading		18:38
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daneyon_	in general, swarm uses the discovery_url. If I simply implement flannel for the swarm bay type, flannel will contend with swarm for the discovery_url, b/c flannel required etc and magnum has implemented the public discovery mechanism for bootstrapping the etcd cluster.	18:40
Tango	daneyon_: The options are not numbered, I can guess, but do you want to number them?	18:40
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Tango	I would vote for #2 also, having one discovery	18:41
daneyon_	essentially swarm and etcd's public discovery mechanisms will contend with one another b/c how discovery_url was implemented	18:41
daneyon_	Tango, will do	18:41
daneyon_	the formatting of the ep messed up the formatting of the email that went out.	18:42
daneyon_	1 sec	18:42
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hongbin	daneyon_: for option #2, is the implementation hard or easy?	18:43
hongbin	or I should say, what need to change?	18:43
daneyon_	ok, the formatting should be good now	18:43
Tango	Thanks	18:43
daneyon_	hongbin I think the implementation is a 3-4 out of 10 difficulty rating.	18:44
hongbin	then, I have no problem of that.	18:44
daneyon_	hongbin what needs to change is using a different discovery mechanism for the swarm bay type	18:44
daneyon_	let me clarify...	18:45
daneyon_	swarm would use etcd instead of Docker's public (Docker Hub) discovery service.	18:45
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hongbin	daneyon_: yes, switch the discovery method should not be a problem in my view, but better ask andrew's advice	18:46
hongbin	andrew is the author of swarm bay	18:46
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daneyon_	The swarm Heat template would stand-up an etcd cluster (just like it does for a k8s bay type) as part of orchestrating the swarm bay type. The swarm manager/agent service would be configured to use the etcd cluster vip instead of the public discovery service	18:46
daneyon_	hongbin I tried pinging amelton on irc yesterday. I'll try again today	18:47
daneyon_	I will proceed with option #2 unless anyone from the group or amelton has objections.	18:48
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hongbin	daneyon_: one thing, for the case that there is a private cloud and it has no external internet access	18:48
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hongbin	is that anyway to solve the discovery problem in flannel?	18:49
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daneyon_	hongbin with my proposal, etcd will still use it's public discovery mechanism.	18:49
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daneyon_	we can certainly change that with etcd, but I would like to file a seperate bp for that use case	18:50
daneyon_	my focus right now is to make sure flannel networking (using network-driver and labels) works across all bay types.	18:51
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hongbin	yes, we can worry the case later	18:51
hongbin	the private cloud case	18:51
daneyon_	but i do like the option of moving all discovery away from public and keeping it inside the bay.	18:51
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hongbin	agree, public discovery service is optimal	18:52
daneyon_	unless their are anymore questions regarding the discovery issue, let's move on.	18:52
daneyon_	#topic Review Action Items	18:52
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daneyon_	ACTION: danehans to continue coordinating with gsagie on a combined kuryr/magnum design summit session.	18:52
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daneyon_	I have not discuss the DS with gsagie, let's move the action item fwd.	18:52
daneyon_	#action danehans to continue coordinating with gsagie on a combined kuryr/magnum design summit session.	18:52
daneyon_	ACTION: everyone to take a few minutes reviewing the 9/7/2015 kuryr meeting logs	18:53
daneyon_	I have reviwed the logs from last week's meeting.	18:53
daneyon_	Hopefully everyone else has too ;-)	18:53
daneyon_	#topic Open Discussion	18:53
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daneyon_	Here is my WIP patch for the swarm work	18:54
daneyon_	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224367/	18:54
daneyon_	I need to post an update, b/c/ I have made a ton of changes since then	18:54
daneyon_	This is just for the Heat template portion of the work.	18:54
daneyon_	As I have done with k8s, I will be posting other patches for the conductor, etc.. work	18:55
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daneyon_	anyone have a topic for discussion?	18:55
daneyon_	If not, then we'll wrap things up a few minutes early.	18:55
daneyon_	Thanks everyone for attending!	18:56
daneyon_	#endmeeting	18:56
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terrylhowe	dtroyer: stevemar meeting today?	19:04
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stevemar	terrylhowe: oops, i will postpone booking travel for an hour	19:04
stevemar	dtroyer: around?	19:04
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stevemar	terrylhowe: not sure where dtroyer is	19:11
stevemar	we can start and he can catch up?	19:11
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terrylhowe	got distracted myself stevemar sorry, nothing to discuss here really, I haven’t had much time in the past week and half for osc and that is likely to continue through next week unfortunately.	19:19
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stevemar	terrylhowe: okay, we can skip this week	19:23
stevemar	we really need a release and to fix a gate issue	19:23
stevemar	occ caused a hiccup	19:23
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terrylhowe	seems like there have been a lot of gate issues lately. sometimes I wonder if the functional test a check but not a gate	19:26
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terrylhowe	stevemar: ^ would speed up merges too	19:26
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stevemar	terrylhowe: i meant its a check issue now	19:28
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stevemar	in this instance it actually saved our ass	19:28
stevemar	well, in regards to the image defaulting version issue, it saved our butts - cause we would have broken devstack	19:29
terrylhowe	stevemar: if it was a check, it would run for each patch. if we removed it as a gate, it would not run for merges risky, but it would keep things moving	19:29
stevemar	this new issue, the unit tests are failing	19:29
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