Thursday, 2015-09-17

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Suhas congress meeting started00:05
jwydoesn't look like it00:05
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thinrichsHi all.  Sorry I was late.00:09
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:10
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thinrichsWho's here?00:10
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Suhello time00:11
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Suhello Tim00:11
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Suhow is going?00:11
thinrichsRuiChen, Su, veena: hi00:11
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thinrichspballand, jwy, alexsyip: hey00:11
SuI created several slides regarding our congress implementation here at Symantec00:12
Suis there a way I can share the slides with anyone interested?00:12
thinrichsSu: great!00:12
Sumy pleasure00:13
thinrichsSu: That'd be great.00:13
thinrichsI don't know how you want to share the slides.  They're not confidential, are they?00:13
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thinrichsIf not, maybe put them on a google drive?00:13
Sucompletely not00:13
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Sugood idea00:13
thinrichsSu: once you do that, let us all know on the ML, and we can get you feedback.00:14
thinrichsBTW, the slides I used at Vancouver as an intro are online...00:15
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Suhere is the URL00:15
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thinrichsHere are the slides from Vancouver:00:16
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SuI already implemented the domain level quota policy. However, I did see there might be a limitation on congress right now00:16
thinrichsSu: let's have everyone look through the slides after the meeting and get you feedback.00:16
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Susounds great00:16
thinrichsSu: what's the limitation you found?00:16
Sucan not guys see it?00:16
thinrichs#action Everyone will get Su feedback on slides00:16
thinrichsSu: yes we can see the slides.00:16
Suthe limitation is about variable aggregation00:17
SuI saw an open ticket for that. But it seems like it is incomplete00:17
thinrichsSu: can you give a concrete use case: what do you want to aggregate?00:17
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Sufor example, we need to figure out how many cpus are being used for a particular domain.00:18
thinrichsSu: use case makes sense.00:18
thinrichsSu: the code was never completed; it's a pretty fundamental change, and I don't think the changeset you found is on the right track.00:18
Suwe can easily have tuples like cpu(project1, 4, domain1) cpu(project2, 3, domain1) and cpu(project3, 5, domain1). The aggregated cpu usage for this particular doamin should be 4+3+5=1200:19
thinrichsGot it.  Aggregates have been on the wishlist for a while.00:19
thinrichsWe need someone to implement it.00:19
Sui am not an expert of datalog. It will be wonderful if someone can help with it00:20
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thinrichsshivharis needs to leave @5:30, so let's get to his agenda item.00:20
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thinrichsSu: understood; I'll keep an eye out for someone who can help00:20
thinrichsshivharis: do you want to give an update on your use-case work?00:20
SuI am currently aggregating the result manually00:20
Susounds good00:20
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Suanother question I have is: how long does congress keep the data collected by datasource driver?00:21
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thinrichs(shivharis was on #congress but not seemingly on this channel.  Waiting for him to enter.)00:22
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SuI remember congress does not store such data, right? but it seems like congress does store such type of data for a little while at least00:22
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thinrichsSu: let's resume this once shivharis finishes his update00:22
shivharisok i am on, i was on the wrong channel00:22
shivharisI have started to put together a VM with devstack/openstack/congress00:23
shivharisalso i have set up the tutorial example on this VM00:23
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shivharisthis was done based on last weeks AI that took for building a 4 usecase VM to be possibly installed on a tunb drive00:24
shivharisthumb drive00:24
shivharisthis all seems to be up and running - i am open to00:25
shivharisideas for other usecases and would welcome if anyone else would like to colloborate on this00:25
thinrichsshivharis: cool.  Have you touched base with alexsyip?00:25
shivharisyes, alexsyip and I communicated00:26
thinrichsHow is your work with usecases related to alexsyip's HOL?00:26
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shivhariswe we doing similar work and will leverage work/ideas etc00:26
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thinrichsSounds good.00:26
thinrichsshivharis: is the VM available for us to look at?00:27
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shivhariswe both are pretty much at the same point00:27
thinrichsOr: what's the best way to get you feedback?00:27
shivharisi will put this vm at a public site tomorrow for anyone to download00:27
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thinrichsshivharis: are you planning to have a doc that goes along with it that walks through the use cases?00:28
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shivharisyes, that will be a good idea, will do that00:28
SuMay I have our usecase included as well?00:28
shivharisany UI would be necessary?00:29
thinrichsshivharis: This is all great!00:29
shivharisSu: yes very welcome to include your usecase00:29
thinrichsshivharis: I think using the Horizon UI is fine.00:29
Suthe implementation is already completed00:29
thinrichsSu: maybe you can help shivharis get your use case into his VM.  Maybe make your VM public or give him instructions?00:29
shivharisSu: ML will be a good place to start communicating, i can initiate00:30
thinrichsshivaharis: thanks.  Note it's 5:30p.00:30
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shivharisi need to run today, sorry... I will catch up reading logs00:30
shivharisthats all fromme00:30
thinrichsshivharis: thanks and sorry we started late.00:30
thinrichs#topic PTL elections00:31
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Susee you. Look forward to seeing the instruction docs.00:31
thinrichsI should have done this last week, but we're in the midst of PTL candidacy right now.00:31
thinrichsSo if anyone wants to run you need to submit your name now.00:31
thinrichsI think the deadline is tonight.00:32
thinrichsThere have been a bunch of emails on the ML.00:32
thinrichsIf anyone wants to talk about what it entails, let me know.00:32
thinrichsI put myself up as a candidate.00:32
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SuI am interested00:32
Suis there a place I can submit the application?00:33
Suor I can just send an email to someone?00:33
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thinrichsSu: sure.  I don't have the link handy, but the basic idea is you push code to the 'openstack/elections' repo.00:34
Suokay. I will figure it out00:34
thinrichsThe "code" you push is a textfile contains the email you send out to the ML detailing why you want to be PTL.00:34
thinrichsI'll spend 1 minute looking for the link.00:35
Suokay, thanks00:35
thinrichsInfo on being a PTL, which was well-received by current PTLs.00:36
thinrichsInfo on process00:36
thinrichsAny other questions?00:36
Suback to my previous question00:37
Suhow long does congress keep the data collected by datasource driver?00:37
thinrichsSu: until it gets restarted00:37
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Suso all of such data was stored in congress server memory, right?00:38
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thinrichsI do have a couple other agenda items that we need the group for.00:38
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thinrichsSu: let's save these clarification questions about how congress works til the open-discussion at the end.00:38
thinrichsSu: sound good?00:38
Suno problme00:38
thinrichsSu: thanks.00:38
thinrichs#topic Gate problems00:39
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Suyou are welcome00:39
thinrichsRight now we're having trouble getting code in b/c there are tempest tests that are failing.00:39
thinrichsThe tests aren't ours; they are glance tests.00:39
thinrichsI've been unable to replicate the failures locally.00:39
thinrichsThere are 2 I've noticed failing, each of which are testing glance's notification capabilities.00:40
thinrichsSo I tried to change the tempest tests running in our gate to only be those relevant to congress.00:40
thinrichsBut we're getting pushback in that no one else seems to be having these problems.00:41
raminenithinrichs: looks like they are timeout issues right - fixtures timeout00:41
thinrichsSo I'm trying to work with the infra team (ianw who wrote the review) to figure out what's happening.00:41
thinrichsramineni: agreed.00:42
raminenithinrichs: recheck solving them00:42
thinrichsramineni: when I ran the tests on my own machine they always finish in < 3 seconds.00:42
thinrichsIn the gate, they're running for 500 seconds and timing out.00:42
raminenithinrichs: ya,00:43
thinrichsramineni: yesterday they seemed to be failing > 50% of the time.00:43
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thinrichsThe worry is that there's something that conflicts with glance in some way.00:43
raminenithinrichs: ya, its pain to do multiple rechecks everytime ..00:43
zhenzanDo we have any code to receive the notifications?00:43
thinrichszhenzan: no.00:43
ianwthinrichs: so i don't know what's going on, but it doesn't seem to be something that affects everyone from poking at logstash.  that's why i think it's something specific.  we can discuss in another channel00:44
thinrichsianw: thanks for chiming in.00:44
zhenzanwhat about ceilometer? Do we enable ceilometer in gate? Is it using the latest code?00:44
thinrichsianw: makes perfect sense.  I tried to ping you a couple of times this morning (for me) and clark told me you had a different notion of morning from AU.00:44
thinrichsianw: maybe tomorrow we can sync up?00:45
RuiChenI talk with ceilometer guys, they don't face the same issue in their CI.00:45
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thinrichsIt'd be great if we could get some eyeballs on this.00:45
thinrichsAny volunteers?00:45
zhenzanI remembered that I saw this issue before, together with Lianhao Lu, a ceilometer core00:45
zhenzanbut several months ago00:46
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RuiChenyes, if Lianhao can help to check, it's great00:46
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zhenzanit's around June 2400:47
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zhenzananyway, I can also take a look today00:48
thinrichsIan pointed me to a helpful tool that lets us search over all logs in the gate00:48
thinrichszhenzan: that'd be great.00:48
thinrichs#topic Tempest plugin00:49
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thinrichszhenzan: you've been working on a tempest plugin.  Want to report?00:49
thinrichs(And does that help with this issue in the gate?)00:49
zhenzanjust pushed patch set 300:49
zhenzanthe patch set 2 has an issue to conflict with local unit tests00:50
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RuiChen#link zhenzen's patch
zhenzanthe code is based on Manila's experience00:50
zhenzanbut, the test cases are still the same00:51
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zhenzanso we still have to skip some test cases00:51
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zhenzanwith the tempest plugin framework, we don't need to seek for merging our tempest code into the main tempest tree00:52
thinrichsskipping test cases is fine.00:52
zhenzanand it's easy to run just congress tests00:52
thinrichsDoes this plugin help us with our gate problem?00:52
zhenzanwith our failure cases skipped, I think the answer is yes.00:53
zhenzanbut the effect is just like what you do in
zhenzanif we still run all tempest cases, we may still meet the glance failure00:54
thinrichsOk.  It's good to be using the proper plugin framework in any case.00:54
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thinrichsThat's my last agenda item.00:54
thinrichsAnyone have anything they need to discuss with the group?00:55
thinrichs(5 minutes left)00:55
raminenithinrichs: have one quick question00:55
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thinrichsramineni: shoot00:56
raminenii have raised couple of patches seeing python-3 gate failures -- -
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raminenibut im seeing error like this - gate-congress-requirements : Incompatible requirement found;00:56
raminenii can see mox3 is part of global-requirements.. is there  anything else needs to to?00:56
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thinrichsI think you need to use the same versions as global-requirements.00:57
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raminenithinrichs: thanks, will try that00:58
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thinrichsSo if they have mox3>=0.7.0, maybe you need to use that too00:58
thinrichsJust a guess.00:58
thinrichsSu: do you want to ask your questions now?00:58
* ramineni gives it a try00:58
thinrichsOr we could move over to #congress and do that, since we have 2 minutes left.00:58
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thinrichsApologies once again for the shortened meeting.00:59
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thinrichsI'll be around for another 10-15 minutes in #congress if anyone wants to chat.00:59
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Sumy question is, how long does congress store data collected by datasource driver?01:00
thinrichsSu: can we move to #congress in case someone else has this room for a meeting?01:01
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gate is currently stuck, failing grenade upgrade tests due the release of oslo.utils 1.4.1 for Juno.08:01
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gmann#startmeeting qa08:59
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 17 08:59:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:59
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'09:00
gmannwho all here today?09:00
dmellado\o Hi gmann ;)09:00
gmanndmellado: hi09:00
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gmannhi jordanP09:01
jordanPhi gmann09:01
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jordanPand everybody :)09:01
gmannlooks like we 3 only today, dmellado jordanP09:01
dmelladoquite sad :(09:02
jordanPthe QA sprint has started right ?09:02
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gmannlet's wait for 2-3 min otherwise we will finish quickly09:02
gmannjordanP: yea most of them are in QA sprint09:02
dmelladowhere is it being held?09:02
jordanPno, I think it's over. I was from 14 to 16 sept09:02
gmannor connecting remotely09:03
dmelladohi oomichi hope it's not 4am for you today too :)09:03
oomichiI was in the sprint and here is 3am09:03
gmannoomichi: hi, good morning in night :)09:03
oomichiin the sprint, mtreinish and me only from tempest cores09:03
oomichiso I guessed the others can join this meeting09:03
gmanndmellado: its in Fort Collins09:04
jordanPif they are not asleep :)09:04
gmannok let's start meeting09:04
dmelladoOh, it's trye, now I recall it, it was going to be held in hp premises ;)09:04
gmann# link
gmann^^^ Today's agenda09:04
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gmann#topic Specs Reviews09:04
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gmanni think most of them under -1 means less for review09:05
gmannoomichi: i saw your reply on microversion one09:05
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gmannoomichi: I will check that tomorrow09:05
oomichigmann: thanks ;)09:05
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dmelladoI wanted to check the status from this
gmannit will helpful if all can have a look into that.09:06
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dmelladoI'll be commenting there later but wanted to know if there has been any further discussion besides the gerrit link ;)09:06
gmanndmellado: ahh thats quite old09:07
jordanPI like the proposal09:07
jordanPthe number of scenarios is growing09:07
gmanndmellado: i do not remember any other discussion09:07
gmannjordanP: ture09:07
dmellado+1 on that09:07
jordanPwe will need to refactor eventually09:07
gmannbut we can start review that if that seems useful09:08
jordanPthat's a good starting point then, if we all aree09:08
oomichijordanP: yeah, I agree09:08
dmelladosounds fine for me, as it'd be great to have it due the growing scenarios09:08
gmannok So let's review
gmanndmellado: Thanks for pointing that09:09
dmelladogmann: np ;)09:09
oomichigmann: now or later?09:09
gmannoomichi: any plan on microversion spec in sprint?09:09
gmannoomichi: when you get time may be next week for you :)09:10
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oomichigmann: not anything because we concentrated on tempest-lib service client dev09:10
gmannoomichi: i saw that as topic on agenda09:10
gmannoomichi: yea that is big one and priority09:10
oomichigmann: ok, will review it later :)09:10
gmannanything else on spec thing ?09:11
oomichigmann: yeah, some projects have copy&paste service client code from tempest now09:11
oomichiand we can remove them after tempest-lib's ones09:11
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gmannoomichi: yea, agree09:11
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gmannLet's move on to next topic09:12
gmann#topic Tempest09:12
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gmannoomichi: your turn09:12
oomichigmann: nothing from me09:12
jordanPI've seen several "fix typos in code comment" patches lately09:12
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jordanPI don"t disapprove them but they are a bit boring09:13
oomichijordanP: big +109:13
jordanPmaybe it's silly but they consume Gate resources09:13
gmannjordanP: yea i saw those and bugs also09:13
dmelladojordanP: might be because openstack summit's coming? xD09:13
oomichijordanP: nice point and sometimes I ignore them09:13
jordanPso, my solution/recommendation is too-1 patches if we see some typos09:14
gmannmay be we can keep asking them to log bug and fix those in 1 patch09:14
oomichidmellado: hehe, maybe right09:14
jordanPto avoid a latter "fix typo" patch09:14
dmellado+1 on that09:14
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jordanPwe are quite reactive so we can afford to -1, and then +2 quickly after it's been fixed09:14
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gmannjordanP: but we should have much strong reason to -1 :)09:14
jordanPgmann, why ?09:14
gmannjordanP: you mean hold for some time and later +209:15
jordanPyou -1, the guys update the patch, it take 20 sec and then we approve09:15
oomichigmann: or it is great to avoid consuming gate resource for fixing typos09:15
jordanPok, maybe don't -1 but leave a comment and dont +209:15
dmelladoI've also a question about tempest tests. I've been working in IPv6 scenarios lately and would like to know if there's any way to run them in a different gate (which would use a different image, like manila) in order to avoid CirrOS limitations (sorry for the offtopic here)09:15
gmannjordanP: i see your point09:15
jordanPyeah -1 could be a bit hard, just leave a comment pointing at the typo and don"t +209:16
gmannjordanP: yea comment would be better one.09:16
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oomichiif changed code which is on after of #, the gate cannot run against the patch09:16
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oomichijust one idea09:16
dmelladooomichi: that's a nice one09:17
gmannoomichi: that nice idea . just run doc thing09:17
jordanPoomichi, I think we can"t do that with zuul at the moment09:17
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oomichigmann: yeah, right09:17
oomichijordanP: true for current zuul09:17
jordanPbecause Zuul nows which files are touched but not what is touched within files09:17
oomichijordanP: now zuul just distinguishes based on file path09:17
oomichijordanP: yeah, right09:17
gmannjordanP: yea09:18
jordanPdmellado, had a question :)09:18
dmelladothanks jordanP ;)09:18
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gmannanyways we can keep that idea for next proposal may be in summit for infra session09:18
oomichibut maybe most projects are facing this kind of problems, so it is nice if zuul can do it ;)09:18
oomichigmann: that is reasonable09:18
jordanPdmellado, you would need a different job in the Gate, which would export a different set of images09:18
gmannoomichi: +109:18
jordanP+1 I know someone from Infra wants to dedicate more time to Zuul, that would be a great feature, im09:19
dmelladojordanP: but would that be approved? I mean, I don't want to split tempest between (ipv6 dhcp and not dhcp ipv6)09:19
dmelladoso I don't really know how to address that09:19
jordanPdmellado, I am not sure. Though there is precedency: neutron dvr vs neutron not dvr09:19
jordanPtempest ssh vs tempest non ssh09:20
jordanPbut imo, it's not the best idea ever...09:20
dmelladothat's it...09:20
dmelladoI've tried for cirros to implement that, with no luck until now09:20
gmann# Action oomichi/gmann needs to add the idea of "not  running  gate job for comments line" in summit session- infra09:20
dmelladoso I might try the other approach and ask around here later,09:21
dmelladothanks jordanP ;)09:21
gmanndmellado: ok09:21
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gmannoomichi: back to service clients to lib09:21
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jordanP(dmellado, at least you could ask this new job to be added in the experimental queue)09:21
gmannoomichi: i found some schema are missing for example update agent09:21
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oomichigmann: thanks, can you -1 on that?09:22
gmannoomichi: i am going through those and if i find anything more should we do it in tempest or lib ?09:22
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gmannoomichi: but agent cleitn one is merged in lib09:22
oomichigmann: ah, yeah. I am writing how to do that on the etherpad09:22
gmannI thought of fixing that in lib09:23
jordanPI think now is a good time to move to -lib.09:23
jordanPwe delayed this for quite a while...09:23
* andreaf is joining the meeting late09:23
jordanPandreaf, \o/09:23
gmannoomichi: I will check all bu tomorrow and fix if there is any more09:23
oomichigmann: thanks again :)09:23
gmannoomichi: so agent one i can fix directly on lib as it would not change any interface09:24
oomichiandreaf: hi :)09:24
gmannoomichi: Thanks09:24
gmannandreaf: hi :)09:24
andreafoomichi, jordanP: hi09:24
dmelladohi andreaf ;)09:24
andreafhello everyone :)09:24
gmannfor response return value, only 1 patch left to merge09:24
oomichigmann: ok, please let me know later09:24
gmann# link,n,z09:24
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gmannanything else on service clients ?09:25
jordanPI feel we are going to break the world soon :p09:25
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masayukigsorry for joining the meeting late.09:26
gmannjordanP: heh how ?09:26
gmannmasayukig: hi09:26
jordanPgmann, I don't know, it feels scary to me, changing all these imports09:26
gmannjordanP: humm , let's see. we will find hidden bugs.09:26
oomichijordanP: yeah, right. at least, neutron-XXaas will be broken09:26
gmannjlanoux: hi09:26
gmannoomichi: thats worth for neutron client, its going in good shape now09:27
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oomichiin short-time, I hope ;)09:27
gmannoomichi:  jordanP: anyways hope for the best :)09:27
jordanPyep !09:27
oomichigmann: yeah, neutron clients should be the next step after nova09:27
gmannoomichi: +109:27
gmannok let's move on09:28
gmann# topic DevStack09:28
oomichikeystone clients also are nice choice because neutron repo contain neutron clients and keystone clients only now09:28
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gmannoomichi: yea, nice point09:28
gmannoomichi: so after neutron we can have keystone09:29
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oomichigmann: that is a nice idea09:29
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dmelladoI'd like to help on that, is there any client I can take as an example?09:29
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oomichidmellado: ok, could you check ?09:30
gmanndmellado: Thanks, that will be good help.09:30
gmannand oomichi we keep updating this etherpad for other client also right?09:31
oomichidmellado: after finishing writting how to, I am glad if you also join into the work ;)09:31
dmelladooomichi: I'll check those that you did for now (might also get back with some questions ;))09:31
oomichigmann: yeah, right.09:31
gmannso that we have all migration bits together09:31
gmannoomichi: Thanks09:31
oomichidmellado: thanks :)09:31
gmanndmellado: thanks09:31
gmannlet's jump on next topic09:32
gmann#topic DevStack09:32
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gmannjamielennox added some point to discuss about
gmannbut not sure he is available here.09:33
gmannI do not have much to talk about that one. Ned to look.09:34
gmanndoes anyone has anything on this or we skip it for next meeting ( with jamielennox)09:34
dmelladonothing from my side09:35
gmannok, let's move to next one then09:35
gmann#topic Grenade09:35
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gmannanything on grenade ?09:35
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gmannis gate up now?09:36
gmanni saw grenade job failing...09:36
gmannbut anyways let's move to next topic09:36
gmann#topic Critical Reviews09:36
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gmannanyone has reviews to look on priority ?09:37
oomichiI have ;)09:37
oomichithat is09:38
gmannoomichi: ok, that nice patch09:38
oomichithanks ;)09:39
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gmannoomichi: yea those are needed for lib migration09:39
masayukigoomichi: it seems nice :)09:39
oomichiyes, right. after that, I can finish writing the etherpad09:39
oomichias concrete how-to09:39
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dmelladooomichi: great ;)09:39
gmannoomichi: yea :)09:39
masayukigoomichi: I'll look at them later.09:40
oomichimasayukig, dmellado: thanks09:40
gmannI also have one which will be needed for lib migration09:40
gmannmay be simple one09:40
vgridnevHello folks! I have one review that totally missed for reviews, I wrote about that in mailing list:  #link
gmannmasayukig: Thanks for reviewing that09:40
gmannvgridnev: this one09:41
jordanP( vgridnev have a look at )09:41
vgridnevyep, this one09:41
gmannvgridnev: Thanks, we will take a look09:41
jordanPI am not sure devstack is the best place for this, you can easily have plugins09:41
jordanPplus this cinder driver is in a weird state09:42
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vgridnevjordanP, this plugin would helps us to make CI for that09:42
gmannjordanP: yea, nice point. currently cinder has devstack plugin ?09:42
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gmannahh not yet09:42
jordanPvgridnev, cinder has 60 drivers, and most of them don"t have a piece inside devstack to do the job09:43
jordanPvgridnev, take a look at ceph for instance09:43
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vgridnevok, but what should I do in such case? Just give up?09:44
andreafI also have a devstack review: #link
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gmannvgridnev: : may be add those in plugin on cinder side09:44
gmannandreaf: ok09:45
gmannvgridnev: let's discuss the best approach on review. jordanP has good point if as there are lot of drivers09:45
gmannany other review09:46
gmannor lets move09:46
gmann#topic open discussion09:46
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gmannanything else other than mentioned topics?09:47
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vgridnevgmann, I can put that to cinder, but it looks like there is no devstack plugin in cinder09:47
vgridnevIf I am wrong, please give me a link for that09:48
gmannvgridnev: yea currently it is not there. i do not remember exactly about the initial discussion about core component plugin09:48
jordanPno,, you only need a devstack plugin09:48
jordanPwhich devstack suppots09:48
gmannjordanP: you mean core scripts in devstack and have plugin for drivers in cinder?09:49
jordanPno, plugin for drivers should sit on a dedicated repo, not related to cinder09:49
jordanPlemm find you an example09:50
gmannI think its all together would be good , means all cinder devstack stuff in cinder09:50
gmannjordanP: oh i see09:50
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jordanPthe how to use section is important09:52
jordanPAdd "enable_plugin glusterfs" to localrc file inside devstack.09:52
jordanPet voila your done09:52
jordanPthis is the recommended way now09:52
jordanPdevstack team has been working on this plugin thing for months, it works now09:52
gmannjordanP: Thanks09:52
gmannThats good,09:52
gmannvgridnev: ^^09:53
vgridnevgmann, I see09:53
jordanPvgridnev, in particular:
vgridnevyep, I see09:53
jordanPimo, it's 1 day of work for you, maximum09:53
vgridnevso, I need to create new repo in stackforge?09:54
jordanPand you don"t need devstack core reviewers09:54
jordanPyou manage your plugin on your own :)09:54
jordanPvgridnev, I think so yes.. for now... that's the downside09:54
gmannvgridnev: yea, like for glusterfs09:54
vgridnevjordanP, Is it hard to make that?09:54
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vgridnevI am unfamiliar with such process09:55
jordanPvgridnev, it's easy and documented somewhere, I am sure of it. But as stackforge is being deprecated I am not sure what's the best way now to ask for a repositoty09:55
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jordanP#openstack-infra is the best place to ask09:55
gmannvgridnev: yea, lets discuss there more.09:55
gmannThanks jordanP09:55
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gmannanything else to discuss ?09:56
vgridnevjordanP, ok, thanks, I will try such way09:56
jordanPvgridnev, np. That's your best option, imo09:56
gmannok, we are almost on time09:57
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gmannThanks all for attending.09:57
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dmelladothanks ;)09:57
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DaisyI will start I18n meeting here.13:00
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Daisy#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 17 13:00:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at
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DaisyHello, who is around for i18n meeting ?13:00
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doug-fishHi Daisy - I am!13:01
DaisyHi, Doug13:01
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Daisyhi, amotoki13:01
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DaisyHi, ujuc13:02
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DaisyNow we have doug-fish, amotoki, and ujuc. We will start now.13:02
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Daisy#topic Collect issues/questions for Zanata and Liberty translation13:03
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DaisyI kicked off Liberty translation on top of Zanta. Now 1 week passed, are the translations running well ?13:03
DaisyIf you have any difficulties/questions, you could raise them here.13:04
amotokiI translated ~1000 words and it works well so far.13:04
DaisyFrom the mailing list, we could get some complains from coordinators, about adding translators to a team, about messaging in a team.13:04
doug-fishI'm not sure this is exactly related to Zanata but there is a difficulty with the RU translation
openstackLaunchpad bug 1494819 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "Russian strings for Actions within Project->Instances page 'More Actions' dropdown are missing" [High,Confirmed]13:05
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DaisyWe will raise these complains to Zanta team as feature requirements.13:05
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doug-fishA challenge is that this is somewhat of a technical problem, but I don't have access to fix it ...13:05
Daisylooking at the bug now.13:06
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doug-fishand even if I had access, I am not a translator, so it is difficult for me to be sure I have not changed any translations13:06
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DaisyI got some notices in the last week, that bad translations broken unite test. I'm going to start an Etherpad to track these issues. Hope doug-fish could help me to collect.13:07
DaisyAfter Liberty translation, we could summarize them, and write a best practise to our translators.13:07
amotokiFYI: Internal "user request management" and tracking  (which we requested) is under way.13:07
doug-fishyes, that's a good idea13:07
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DaisyGreat, amotoki. Thank you for the link.13:08
clarkbDaisy AJaeger flipped zanata option to error translations with bad whitespace13:08
clarkbI think that fixed things for unittests and is a nice feature since we check it in the projects13:09
clarkbalso yesterday we ran gerrit updates for all projects from zanata and they should run automatically too now13:09
clarkbso the automation is in place and seems to be working13:09
DaisyThank you for the update, clarkb.13:10
amotokiyes. we see the first import to horizon from zanata.  the gate problem has just recovered and it is under the check queue.13:10
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amotokiDaisy: your etherpad link seems incorrect. I see a new page.13:11
Daisyamotoki: it's a new page. I just create it.13:11
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clarkbamotoki ya we will need to recheck those changes13:11
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Daisydoug-fish: I cannot understand why plurality will cause error.13:12
Daisydoug-fish: You said it was a technical issue ?13:12
Daisyor it is a bad translation issue ?13:12
doug-fishsort of both13:12
doug-fishThe problem is that most of the code expects 3 pluralities for Russian13:12
doug-fishyet our translations now have 413:13
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doug-fishThis change happened sometime after Kilo but still in transifex13:13
Daisyso if you could update the translation, you are able to fix it ?13:13
amotokigettext or django issue?13:13
amotokior horizon side issue?13:13
doug-fishI'd have a hard time pointing fingers - I'd expect each group to say it is working as designed/expceted13:14
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doug-fishI could update the RU translations to make them have 3 pluralities13:14
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Daisydoug-fish: #L30 means the line of 30 in diango.po ?13:14
doug-fishoh yes13:15
doug-fishlink is slightly out of date13:15
doug-fishshould be line 3213:15
doug-fish... and really when you look a the plural funciton there is no way for plural form at index 3 to be reached13:16
Daisythen what's the new line number of #L788 ?13:16
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Daisydoug-fish: I will spend some time to dig into it after meeting.13:17
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Daisyany other questions/issues  ?13:17
doug-fishThe change I would make is to remove every msgstr[2] from the file, move msgstr[3] to msgstr[2] and update the plurality function to the standard one13:17
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doug-fishI'd really like to get input from the RU translation team before doing anything this disruptive13:17
DaisyI agree, doug-fish.13:17
doug-fishbut it results in broken Horizon tdoay13:18
amotokiis this a right example?13:18
DaisyYes, amotoki.13:18
ianychoiHello, sorry for late coming.13:18
DaisyAnd line 32 seems like a rule of plural13:18
Daisydoug-fish: who requires only 3 plural ?13:19
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doug-fishThat what is normal for Russian13:19
doug-fish(looking for a link)13:20
DaisyBut from line 32, I think, it is said nplurals=413:20
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doug-fishright - so it is internally consistent, but not consistent with the rest of the world13:21
Daisyianychoi: never mind. We are talking about issues/questions of Liberty translations.13:21
ianychoiDaisy, thanks. I am trying to follow the conversation :)13:22
DaisyHow is Korean translations now, ianychoi, running well ?13:22
doug-fishI suspect (but haven't made all of the connections) that a pluralization function from another bundle is being used to resolve resources in this file13:22
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ianychoiNow me and ujuc are a little bit busy, but I think our Korean translation is going well I think.13:22
Daisydoug-fish: that's strange. I think we need input from Ilya.13:23
doug-fishIt's strange to have different structures for the same langauge13:23
doug-fishI think Ilya is hiding from me.  :-)13:23
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Daisy#action Daisy to follow up with the plurals issue of ru translations.13:24
Daisythank you, ianychoi13:24
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Daisywe move to next topic13:24
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Daisy#topic Discussion: IBM contributions13:25
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amotokilet me share one thought13:25
amotokiAbout Zanata group.13:25
amotokiplease check it later, Daisy13:25
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Daisyamotoki: got your point.13:26
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DaisyI think, Group may provide a view, but in the back end, it is still version.13:26
DaisyI could try it after meeting.13:26
amotokiThis is Zanata help
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Daisyamotoki: I noticed Group today, I have the same thoughts with you. But again, the back end technology is version.13:27
amotokiwe can collect good practice after Liberty translaiton finishes :-)13:27
DaisyGroup just provide a integrated view of different versions.13:27
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Daisyamotoki: Yes.13:27
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DaisyOk, as to IBM translations, I have some thoughts to share.13:27
amotokilet's move on13:27
DaisyI'm going to normalize the process to contribute translations by uploading po files.13:27
DaisyIBM is not the single one who would go through the process. As I said before, redhat may want to contribute their translations in po files too.13:28
DaisyHere are my thoughts.13:28
Daisy1. Simply uploading po files are not allowed.13:28
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Daisy2. If people who want to contribute translations by uploading po files, following steps must be followed13:29
Daisy    2.1 Send email to I18n mailing list, describing the source documents and languages he/she is going to upload.13:29
Daisy    2.2 Zanata admin will create a branch. She/he could upload po files to the branch.13:29
Daisy    2.3 When the uploading is done, language coordinators could review the translations.13:29
Daisy    2.4 If the coordinators agree to merge to the master branch, Zanata admin will make the merge. After merging, this branch will be deleted.13:29
Daisy          If the coordinators don't agree to merge, .....??...13:29
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DaisyI have tested version creation, version deleting, version merging, in the Zanata test server.13:30
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DaisyI met with issue before, Zanata instance was crashed because of memory, but now pleia2 fixed the issue.13:30
amotokiI think A possible case that reviewer do not agree to megre is a case where they use different wording policy for same source strings.13:31
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Daisyamotoki: Yes, that's need to be design.13:31
doug-fishDaisy, this looks like a great process! It's been challenging as a potential contributor to sort out how to best work with the tools and community.13:31
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Daisyif coordinators don't agree, maybe coordinators ask the contributors to revise the translations ?13:32
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doug-fishIf the coordinators don't agree to the merge, maybe the branch should be deleted after some period of discussion?13:32
amotokiin that case, we can work on a proposed branch until a lang team reaches a consensus.13:32
ianychoiI agree with this process.13:32
amotokibut generally speaking we should not deny contributions13:33
Daisyagree, amotoki. We are a open team. :)13:33
ianychoiIf the translation is dependent on OpenStack release (e.g., Nova kilo), the deadline would be the release date?13:33
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Daisywe are openning for any contributions, we should guide our contributors to follow our rules and improve the translations till the translations meet our quality reqirements.13:34
doug-fishOne issue with this process is that I think today at least, a branch cannot be proposed unless one is a member of the translation team13:34
amotokiianychoi: a bit (about a week) before the releaes.13:34
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DaisyJust as development team will guide new contributors to help them get familiar with their coding rules13:34
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ianychoiI think although the coordinator denies or does not tell any opinion on this contribution, the proposed translation is needed to be recorded and logged.13:35
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ianychoito make the reference for active translators..13:36
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DaisyI don't think we set deadline. If the translations are good enough to help improve the percentage, coodinators would agree to merge.13:36
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doug-fishIs there any way to ensure that only *new* translations are provided by this process?13:37
DaisyIf the translations are not good, why we set deadline to merge, even it is related with a release ?13:37
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doug-fishIt has been very difficult to make sure we do not propose any edits in our PO files13:37
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doug-fishand I'm afraid that during a review process, some strings that were new when proposed might get translated in the community and become edits13:37
DaisyI don't know the correct answer, doug-fish. But while I reviewed the contributions made by your team in the test server, I could review the hisotry. If I see a translation have two history record, I could tell it is updated.13:38
Daisydoug-fish: actually, I don't think it's reasonable to prevent people contributing better translations.13:39
amotokithe background behind my comment is that i noticed nova translation in Japanese which was contributed by IBM uses quite different workding from other transaltion in Horizon and documentation (doen by the community)13:39
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amotokiso I don't think merging as-is is not safe.13:39
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Daisyagree, amotoki13:39
doug-fishamotoki: thank you for taking the time to reivew - this was one of my concerns as well13:40
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amotokiDaisy: technical question: In Zanata branch, does it use a separate translation memory?13:40
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amotokidoug-fish: nova translation I checked was contributed more than one years. It is not related to IBM contribution now.13:41
DaisyActually, in Transifex, I feel it's very dangers to open the right for translators to upload po files directly, to the master brach. I met with the case that a people came to me saything that he uploaded po files to the wrong language team.13:41
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doug-fishDaisy: yes, agreed!13:42
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DaisyWe have a hot discussion here. I probably lost some points.13:43
ianychoiThis discussion has no answers I think :)13:43
Daisyanyway, let's try with branch.13:43
doug-fishDaisy: back to your comment about people proposing better translations - IMO that kind of contribution should happen only through Zanata itself - doing edits though PO file upload seems risk because it bypasses glossaries and community discussion13:44
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Daisymaybe you are right, doug-fish. But we don't have technical way to block updating translations by po file.13:45
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amotokidoug-fish: agree with you. we should avoid PO upload as possible as we can.13:46
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Daisyianychoi: Yes, we don't have the answer now. We will figure out the best way while we are working with the new tool more and more.13:46
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doug-fishIf we agreed it was right we could request an enhancement from Zanata13:46
Daisydoug-fish: that's a good point.13:46
Daisynext step13:47
amotokii know some translators prefer to his/her own editor over web tool, but it is strongly discouraged.13:47
DaisyI  know that, amotoki.13:47
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DaisySome translators like offline translation.13:47
doug-fishyou should keep that capability a secret!13:47
DaisyWhile we are investigating the tool candidates, that's a required feature. :)13:47
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DaisyMaybe they think offline translating are quicker than online.13:48
doug-fishIf translations had reviews and merge conflict resolutino like code I think that could work13:48
ianychoiOne question: if IBM or Redhat contributes translations, and they are updated to Zanata, what would the name of updater ?13:48
doug-fish(I hope the answer is IBM or Redhat)13:48
Daisydoug-fish: while merging versions, I could select the option that the source strings will not be overwrited13:48
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doug-fishDaisy: does that option exist today?13:49
DaisyWhile merging versions, I could set an option that the source strings will not be overwrited.13:49
doug-fishwow - that seems perfect13:49
doug-fishproblem solved!13:49
DaisyWe are digging more functions of Zanata while we use it. :)13:49
Daisyso next steps.13:50
ianychoiNo-overwritting is so good functionality in Zanata!13:50
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DaisyI will continue the test on the test server. While I think it is OK, I will make versions in the production server. I will try groups too.13:50
Daisydoug-fish: do you want to upload 10 langauges ? or you plan to only upload a few ?13:51
doug-fisheventually ~10 languages and 8 or 9 projects13:51
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doug-fishbut maybe going a few langauges/projects at a time would be wise13:52
Daisydoug-fish and his team will not upload translations to the log messages, because they know community translators still have concerns to log translations.13:52
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Daisydoug-fish: how do you select which langauges you want to upload ?13:52
doug-fishI'm not sure if it's better to upload translations for nova now (to help with the effort) or wait and propose them after the community has finished13:52
doug-fishany suggestion on that?13:52
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Daisyamotoki and ianychoi: your suggestions ?13:53
Daisywe have limited time.13:53
amotokiTalking about Japaense, nova translation has no good progress and it does not attract translators so far.13:54
amotokiso persoanlly I am okay for uploading, but I am afraid we have no more resource to review them.13:54
Daisydoug-fish: I like Nova translations too, as a Chinese coordinator.13:54
ianychoiI have not discussed with ujuc, Korean coordinator yet, but now I could not find any requirement to translate Nova strings to Korean from Korean guys.13:55
doug-fishSo I will upload them - I understand that does not mean they will get merged13:55
Daisyagain, all the uploading must to the review branch. amotoki: maybe you and your team go through the translations very quickly ?13:55
doug-fishthis is really no different than what happens with code13:55
amotokiDaisy: I am not sure. At least I am short of resource for reviewing :-(13:56
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doug-fishI don't think we can upload any translations for Japanese at this time13:56
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amotokiDaisy: I will talk to katomo and other two folks from redhat.13:56
doug-fishTom from my team has asked for membership on the team, but does not have it yet13:56
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doug-fishI assume membership will still be needed to propose translations?13:56
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ianychoiBut I welcome uploading Korean nova translation strings from doug-fish , because this process would bring further discussions in Korea I think.13:56
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DaisyI hope we could get good progress with nova translating. nova.po only contains user facing messages.13:57
amotokidoug-fish: joining request to Japanese team?13:57
doug-fishianychoi: yes, understood. Thanks13:57
doug-fishamotoki: yes, that's right13:57
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amotokidoug-fish: hmmm.. I must have missed it. please let me know again.13:57
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doug-fishsure, sounds good13:58
Daisyok, guys.13:58
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amotokidoug-fish: joining process is completely manual in Zanata now.13:58
ianychoidoug-fish, thanks for your understanding :)13:58
DaisyIt looks like we have to close the meeting.13:58
DaisyWe are quit near to the end.13:58
DaisyAnything else ?13:58
doug-fishnot here13:58
ianychoiNo from me13:58
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DaisyThank you guys, we really have a very good discussion here. I appreciate very much.13:58
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ianychoiThank you all :)13:59
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amotokithank you13:59
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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 17 14:00:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
johnthetubaguywelcome all14:00
johnthetubaguy#topic Release Status14:00
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johnthetubaguy#info Likely RC1 cut date: Tuesday 22nd September depends on an empty bug list here:
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johnthetubaguyso basically all the release talk is going to be on bugs14:01
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: there are quite a number of tagged bugs that aren't necessary to hold up the rc I think14:02
johnthetubaguythats the stuff that has self-declared as worth thinking about delaying the release14:02
tonybjohnthetubaguy: are we still able to add that tag to bugs?14:02
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johnthetubaguytonyb: sure14:02
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bauzaswell, that list is mostly for best effort14:03
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: any of the tagged bugs that are fix-committed we should target those to rc1 right?14:03
johnthetubaguyso are there any in that list (or otherwise) people are really worried about14:03
johnthetubaguydansmith: the script will do that for us, but we can14:03
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dansmithoh, okay14:03
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dansmithjohnthetubaguy: so there is only one bug on the list not already fixed14:03
johnthetubaguyyeah, release folks do that all by magic now14:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1491511 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Behavior change with latest nova paste config" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Alex Xu (xuhj)14:04
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markus_zdansmith: There are more patches open AFAIK14:04
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dansmithmarkus_z: those are for tagged bugs14:04
johnthetubaguymarkus_z: not that are marked as blockers though:
dansmithnot for the targetd ones14:04
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markus_zAh, right14:04
johnthetubaguyso I think the above bug has eyes on it, still some discussion about missing one more bit of the API14:05
markus_zI want to annoy the subteams on IRC directly to have a look at the tagged bugs14:05
johnthetubaguybut any in the tagged list we need to target?14:05
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bauzasI don't think so14:05
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dansmithneither I14:05
johnthetubaguyyeah, they are more nice to haves really14:06
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johnthetubaguyand could be backported, if we have to14:06
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bauzasyup, no criticals14:06
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1455252 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "enabling serial console breaks live migration" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Alexander Schmidt (alexs-h)14:06
markus_z^ break live migration, how about that one?14:07
johnthetubaguy#info if you see a release blocker, please shout at johnthetubaguy before end of his day on Monday, incase he doesn't notice you14:07
alaskiI tagged yesterday14:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1496557 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "xenapi boot from volume is broken after move to ImageMeta object if volume passed in" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Andrew Laski (alaski)14:07
bauzasmarkus_z: that's workaroundable14:07
markus_zbauzas: How?14:07
bauzas(not sure the wording is correct tho :)14:07
dansmithalaski: ah, we should probably fix that14:07
johnthetubaguyalaski: that one is a nasty regression14:07
tonybmarkus_z: disable serial_console :/14:07
alaskiI have a fix up for it as well :)14:07
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dansmithalaski: link me14:07
johnthetubaguyI guess the live-migrate one is not a regression, it just never worked14:08
bauzasmarkus_z: yeah what tonyb said14:08
markus_ztonyb: :( That's not the workaround I hoped for...14:08
dansmithmarkus_z: that one has a fix landed, but is it not complete?14:08
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: yup it's not a regression AFAIK14:08
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markus_zdansmith: The patches are up and +1'ed14:08
markus_zand would solve 2 bugs14:08
tonybmarkus_z: I agree but I don't think we can actually fix it in the time we have.14:09
bauzasmarkus_z: we can ship RC1 without that and discuss about backporting if needed14:09
dansmithmarkus_z: ah, this?
dansmithmarkus_z: there is another partial-bug patch already landed for that bug, which was my point14:10
markus_zdansmith: yeah, right14:10
dansmithmarkus_z: that one touches a lot of stuff and is backportable14:10
markus_zdansmith: The partial one got merged14:10
dansmithwhich makes it not critical I think,14:10
johnthetubaguyyeah, seems like the sting has been taken out of the tail of that bug14:10
dansmithbut I'll take a look at it today14:10
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bauzasmarkus_z: there is no need to hold RC1 for that one14:11
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markus_zdansmith: thanks14:11
johnthetubaguycool, so lets do shout about these more critical ones in channel and work out what to do14:11
markus_zbauzas: (sad) ack14:11
johnthetubaguylets more on too...14:11
johnthetubaguy#topic bugs14:11
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johnthetubaguyyeah, so we covered most of this14:11
johnthetubaguyanything else people have?14:11
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markus_zThe "new" ones are rising14:12
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markus_zIs that normal in this timeframe?14:12
johnthetubaguythats a good heads up14:12
johnthetubaguysort of14:12
tonybmarkus_z: I'd expect so.14:12
johnthetubaguypeople do lots of testing14:12
johnthetubaguybut we need to be sure we spot any nasty ones ASAP14:12
johnthetubaguyso help with that would be very welcome14:12
johnthetubaguymriedem: anything on the gate or other such things?14:13
kashyapmarkus_z: Guess the legitimate ones will be revealed ones those "new" bugs triaged.14:13
mriedemjust the grenade thing on stable,14:13
mriedemthat tonyb fixed14:13
bauzasmarkus_z: 65 new, I guess most of them not tagged yet?14:13
kashyaps/bugs/bugs are/14:13
tonybmriedem: well I broke it so ....14:13
mriedemtonyb: i +1ed :)14:13
mriedemand dims_ released it14:13
mriedemso we're all to blame14:13
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markus_zbauzas: ~10 left, I'm finished by end of the day14:14
bauzasmarkus_z: cool, ty!14:14
johnthetubaguymarkus_z: top work, thank you!14:14
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johnthetubaguycool, so hair shirts all round, but otherwise, everything is OK14:14
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johnthetubaguy#topic Design Summit14:15
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markus_zkashyap: I hope so. I fear that the triaging gets overwhelming for the subteams, I still have to talk to them.14:15
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* dansmith needs a british decoder for that one14:15
johnthetubaguysuggestions welcome14:15
johnthetubaguydansmith: heh, oops, something about monks punishing themselves for their sin14:15
markus_zjohnthetubaguy: You've probably seen it, melwit mentioned that the Chinese members have issues with google forms.14:15
johnthetubaguymarkus_z: ah, yes14:16
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johnthetubaguymarkus_z: basically, email me, and I can add it into the spreadsheet14:16
johnthetubaguyI should reply about that14:16
tonybjohnthetubaguy: if you're busy I can do the email -> forms proxying thing14:16
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johnthetubaguytonyb: that would be handy actually, thank you14:17
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: could you also scrub the document ? some rows are just... flood14:17
johnthetubaguybauzas: yeah, we can14:17
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johnthetubaguyI can share some permissions if people fancy tidying14:17
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: not speaking of removing proposals, just onelining long sentences14:17
johnthetubaguyoh, well, thats OK, they can stay there14:18
* bauzas is very badly placed for speaking about brevity14:18
johnthetubaguyI will just not read them14:18
johnthetubaguywell, I mean, they are unlikey to get picked14:18
johnthetubaguyanyways, we digress...14:18
johnthetubaguythanks for raising the china and google issue, I think we just paper around that with email for now14:19
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion14:19
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johnthetubaguyso nothing on the agenda for stuck reviews or open14:19
johnthetubaguyanyone got anything they want to cover?14:19
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clarkbI will mention that we are pushing translation to nova from zanata now (instead of transifex), process for noca reviewers is the same but the topic has changed14:20
markus_zIt would have been great if more people from the subteams would have participated in the tagging of rc blockers.14:20
clarkband being close to rc would be good to get those merged if possible14:20
johnthetubaguyclarkb: ah, good heads up, thank you14:20
clarkbnew topic is zanata/translations14:20
garykmarkus_z: we have tagged them and have patches in review…14:21
garykthey just are not top priority…14:21
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markus_zgaryk: johnthetubaguy did the bunch of the work here, IIUC14:21
johnthetubaguyclarkb: there used to be a script for updating those translations, I guess that changes?14:21
markus_zI just wanted to mention it.14:21
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jrolljohnthetubaguy: quick thing, on the summit doc my topic title is my name... somehow >.> mind fixing that?14:22
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clarkbya the jenkins jobs are updated and running automatically now14:22
dansmithjroll: I saw that14:22
dansmithjroll: figured you were just that big of a deal now14:22
johnthetubaguyclarkb: ok cool, will take a peak at that topic14:22
jrolldansmith: I mean, we can sit around and talk about me for 40 minutes, that's fine too14:22
dansmith"45 minutes of staring at jroll" -> approved14:22
* johnthetubaguy giggles14:23
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johnthetubaguyjroll: yeah, will take a peak to fix that :)14:23
johnthetubaguyI guess we are done14:23
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johnthetubaguythanks all14:23
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johnthetubaguyhave 35 mins back, for more reviews, obviously :)14:24
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gordc#startmeeting ceilometer15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 17 15:00:45 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at
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gordccool lets' get started15:02
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gordc#topic liberty-rc1 status15:03
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gordcwe're currently targetting the beginning of next week for initial rc1 tags15:03
gordcthis is list of items we're currently aiming for:
gordcfor reviewers, if you can focus on these items that'd be great15:03
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gordcif there are any additional items that need to be targeted for rc1 and aren't please let one of the cores know15:04
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gordcso we don't tag without your patch.15:04
gordcare there any items of concern so far in testing?15:04
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gordci haven't noticed any huge blockers... some performance tweaks required.15:05
gordci should mention cdent is not here today so he won't fill white space and i'd rather not talk to myself.15:05
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jd__I'm reading you gordc15:06
nadyagordc: you are not alone!15:06
gordclol alright.15:06
gordci'm assuming no blockers currently?15:06
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pradkI havent seen anything specific yet15:07
ildikovgordc: no blockers that i would know of and noticed we need focus on reviews listed on Launchpad :)15:07
gordcyeah... so please raise asap if anything comes up. early next week is our first deadline.15:07
ildikovgordc: we just try to support you in having a short meeting ;)15:07
gordcildikov: :)15:07
gordcok. next topic then.15:08
gordc#topic recurring: Gnocchi status15:08
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gordcanything to update? jd__ ?15:08
jd__I just released 1.2.015:09
silehtpython-gnocchiclient lives in openstack namespace since yesterday15:09
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jd__so high five to everyone15:09
gordcjd__, sileht: nice!15:09
ildikov\o/ :)15:09
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gordcsileht: is there code in ceilometer that we can pull out? or is gnocchiclient not stable enough?15:10
silehtgordc, this is a very light gnocchi client15:10
silehtgordc, it can only CRUB archivepolicy and resources15:10
silehtgordc, not yet metrics and measurements15:10
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jd__but that's on roadmap yeah15:10
gordcsileht: ok. so we'll aim for M* to refactor gnocchi dispatcher.15:10
silehtjd__, of course15:11
silehtgordc, yes15:11
gordcsounds good folks!15:11
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gordc#topic ceilometer mentoring15:12
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gordcthis is just an fyi but to follow up on ildikov's mention in previous meeting about mentoring15:12
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gordcyou can sign up to mentor starting next week (sept22 - oct27)15:12
gordcmore details can be found here:
gordcso if you'd like to have an extra resource to help with an idea you have, feel free to apply.15:13
ildikovgordc: right, thanks for bringing it up!15:14
gordcmaybe mention it if you think one of the design session proposals are a easy in for a new dev15:14
jd__we could have someone on gnocchiclient maybe15:14
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gordcjd__: yes that's possible. i think the resource will select based on interest so you'll need to sell client work pretty hard.15:15
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ildikovor I don't know what direction we will move regarding Gnocchi-Ceilo integration, etc. but that can be an area too maybe15:15
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gordcildikov: right... just wanted to get people thinking about the idea. we have a few weeks but if you have an idea now, applications start next week15:16
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gordcildikov: if you have a apiv3 i'm interested too. :)15:17
ildikovjd__: wasn't taht the agreement that it will mostly be Gnocchi's API? :)15:17
jd__ildikov: s/mostly// :)15:17
jd__gordc: I might have some idea but not sure I'll have the time to mentor TBH15:18
ildikovjd__: ok, then I guess we just need to clean up from Ceiilo that we don't need anymore, right? ;)15:18
gordcjd__: ildikov: it's probably something worth discussing. how we envision the apis existing. metrics, events, alarms.15:18
jd__ildikov: what do you think I'm doing! ;)15:18
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gordcjd__: yes, i believe it requires some commitment.15:18
ildikovjd__: ;)15:18
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gordci think worse case you can propose an idea and see if another dev has time to mentor15:18
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jd__gordc: been there15:19
ildikovyeap, if definitely needs, this is why I'm in trouble and did not volunteer :(15:19
jd__I think the worst thing is that it takes more time than to it takes to do the job15:19
jd__and that each time we lost the mentee15:19
nadyaevents may be interesting field15:19
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gordcjd__: i see... yeah maybe we need to minimise scope of topic.15:20
nadyawho is mentee usually? student?15:20
jd__gordc: I don't think that solves the issues I raised, but I don't know either what the solution might be!15:20
jd__just my feedback15:20
gordcbut yeah not a must have to mentor. just making sure everyone is aware of opporutunity15:20
jd__nadya: not necessarily15:20
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jd__nadya: can be someone looking to start doing programming stuff15:20
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nadyajd__: they may don't know python?15:21
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gordcnadya: possibly. i think you need to mention degree of experience required when proposing ideas.15:22
jd__nadya: they are supposed to be familiar a bit with Python and OpenStack (they start on their own a bit before to prove they can do some stuff)15:22
nadyaok, I see15:22
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ildikovnadya: I think there should be some minimum requirements, but I would need to check the wiki page again to be sure15:22
gordccool cool. let's open it up for general discussion.15:23
gordc#topic open discussion15:23
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llu-laptopIs there any presentation in Tokyo summit about ceilometer's best practise?15:23
llu-laptoplike the one gordc did in Vancouver15:24
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gordcllu-laptop: i don't think any ceilometer talks were chosen.15:24
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jd__so some of us would like to poll operators about Ceilometer and how they use it15:24
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gordcseems like the criteria was more ops/product driven15:24
jd__rather than doing that at the summit, we would like to have that done as a broader scope15:24
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jd__(you know, Internet, mailing list etc)15:24
nadyallu-laptop: good question! Also, I'm interested about best practices for Mongo tuning...15:24
llu-laptophow to do the polling thing?15:25
nijabathere was also a lot less rooms to do do conference talks than in previous summit15:25
gordcnijaba: ^ that as well.15:25
jd__so far pradk put a questionnaire
pradkcan we propose topics for the ops sessions?15:25
nijaballu-laptop: I was proposing to setup a survey either in gdoc or survey monkey and open it as wide as possible15:25
jd__just a set of questions we envision sending to operators with an online survey, I guess jasonamyers would be interested :)15:25
pradkprecisely where i was getting at , thanks jd__ for the link15:25
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jasonamyersI am jd__15:26
gordcpradk: i haven't heard if they will be doing an ops-project session again like vancouver15:26
jd__so feel free to add more questions15:26
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gordcjd__: are you going to post to operators list>15:26
jd__gordc: me or someone that has better connection (hint jasonamyers)15:26
pradkgordc, hmm ok, i guess we can have an ops feedback session if we have an extra slot?15:26
jasonamyersI don't have better connections15:26
jasonamyersit's better to come from a project leader15:27
gordcpradk: that sounds like an idea.15:27
jasonamyersand I'll make sure it gets distributed internally and to partners15:27
jd__gordc: you're up to that?15:27
gordckk, i can post. we might want to refine some the questions15:27
gordcjd__:  do you have a pool of money to entice people to answer15:27
jd__gordc: also we can probably leverage some online tools (surveymonk or google forms or something like that)15:28
jd__gordc: we're offering our time! that's money15:28
gordcso i'm still waiting on the openstack survey where we submitted the original ceilometer question15:28
pradkgordc, will add to etherpad, we can include an ops feedback session if we have time15:28
gordci believe we should have responses soon (i need to recheck email)15:28
gordcjd__: oh. actually i have a great place to ask these questions15:29
jd__gordc: ok, maybe add something to this meeting agenda to keep track of that?15:29
nadyajasonamyers: what is the last day to become mid-cycle participant? :)15:29
jasonamyersIt would be helpful to know Oct ish15:29
gordcthe product WG just ask this exact question to me (if there was any questions we wanted to ask users)15:29
jasonamyersif we are going to hvae one15:29
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jasonamyersafter we know we are going to meet, there is not limit15:30
jd__gordc: cool15:30
gordci'm sure we can forward this list to Product WG so they can distribute to whoever is part of it. (hopefully it goes beyond managers)15:30
jd__gordc: that + operators would be good indeed15:30
jasonamyersthat's my real problem is needing to get budget stuff established and dates for spending set nadya15:30
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gordcnadya: there are two times.. one in nov/dec, one in jan15:32
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nadyagordc: visit Dublin 2 times? I would stay there through nov-jan then15:33
gordcnadya: lol no no just different options15:33
gordconly one slot would be chosen... and probably 2-3 days within the timerange15:33
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jasonamyersbasically I'm open anytime from Nov 30-Jan 3015:33
jasonamyersand any 3 days in there for meetings and we can have workspace for 5 if needed15:34
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gordc5 days to make up for midcycles missed.lol15:34
jasonamyersI'm going to work from the office there for a week15:35
jasonamyersso if others need coworking space for the other 2 days I'm happy to host them :P15:35
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gordcjasonamyers: nice.15:35
gordcso any other topics?15:35
gordc#action review list of questions for operators and send to ops list and product wg15:36
gordc#action fill out availability for midcycle, put blank if you aren't coming15:36
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gordcfinal countdown.15:36
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jasonamyersIf we don't get enough we should still do a virtual one15:37
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gordcjasonamyers: +15:37
jasonamyersbut I will be sad I didn't get to go to dublin15:37
nijabagordc: I would still advocate to setup a survey tool instead of just sending the question15:37
nijabaand would be happy to do so15:37
gordcnijaba: agree. any preference on survey tool?15:38
nijabagordc: either survey monkey of gdoc15:38
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gordcnijaba: ack. i'll just verify how accessible either one is and choose based on that.15:39
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gordcshall we close off? any additional items?15:39
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llu-laptopb.t.w, just heard that US has the most individual foundation members15:40
nijabagordc: let me know when you think the list of q is final, and I'll gladly set it up15:40
llu-laptopmore than 30%15:40
llu-laptopIndia is the second, China is the 3rd15:40
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gordcnijaba: sure thing. i'll sync with jd__ in case you're not in irc.15:40
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gordcllu-laptop: canada?lol15:41
gordcwe probably got lumped with usa15:41
llu-laptopcan't remember the actual number.15:41
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llu-laptoponly remember seeing former USSR in that list15:42
gordcllu-laptop: cool stuff.15:43
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llu-laptoptotally, more than 150 countries15:43
gordcllu-laptop: nice. i'm going to close off this meeting. will ping you for link in openstack-ceilometer15:44
gordcthanks for attending folks15:44
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sridhar_ramhi tackers!16:00
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sridhar_ramwho is here ?16:01
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sridhar_ramvishwanathj: hi16:01
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sridhar_ramlets start16:02
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trozethi sridhar_ram, I'm here16:02
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sridhar_ram#startmeeting tacker16:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 17 16:02:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at
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sridhar_ramtrozet: hi16:03
sridhar_ram#chair bobh16:03
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openstackCurrent chairs: bobh sridhar_ram16:03
sridhar_ram#topic Announcements16:03
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sridhar_ramToday's agenda is here -
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sridhar_ramanything else to discuss beyond that ?16:04
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Rajkumar_Hi Everyone16:05
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_: hi!16:05
sridhar_ramfew general announcements ...16:05
sridhar_ramour first functional test landed in Tacker - thanks a lot santosh!16:06
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sridhar_ramnow you can run 'tox -e functional' on a running tacker devstack to exercise these tests16:06
sridhar_rammore tests are expected to be added over time...!16:06
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sridhar_ramI'm working w/ infra team to add a gate-job to hook them up to the gate...16:07
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sridhar_raminitially it will be non-voting .. meaning it won't block a merge but the core team would expect the tests to pass16:08
sripriyasridhar_ram: do we need to write a post_hookup script for the job or is just configuration in project-yaml?16:08
sridhar_ramonce we gain some confidence we will move it voting16:08
sridhar_ramsripriya: still working thru' them .. I'm hoping existing gate-functional-dsvm hook should be sufficient but it still to be seen16:09
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sridhar_ramNext on Tokyo summit ..16:10
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sripriyasridhar_ram: cool16:10
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sridhar_ramI've grabbed a BoF (Birds-of-Feather) session for OpenStack NFV Orchestration ...16:10
sridhar_ramit will be on Tuesday 12:05 - 12:40 ... so please mark your calendars16:11
sridhar_ramit will show up in the main conference schedule soon16:11
sridhar_ramIt is a fish bowl style session (upto 30 people I guess) ..16:12
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sridhar_ramwe should invite our partner orgs like ETSI, TOSCA, OPNFV and other developers to attend and provide inputs16:12
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sridhar_ramLast .. our Liberty Release deadline in next week Sept 25 !16:13
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sridhar_ramjust one week to go ..16:13
sridhar_ramlets move on..16:13
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sridhar_ram#topic Liberty Release Status16:13
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sridhar_ram#topic Health Monitoring16:13
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sridhar_rambobh: please take over ...16:13
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bobhI pushed the basic framework last night as WIP16:14
sridhar_rambobh: that's cool !16:14
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bobhI'm still working on the link between the template processing in and the monitoring thread16:14
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bobhHoping to have that in place tomorrow so I can start testing16:15
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bobhWorking with tbh for http-ping, unit tests and devrefs16:15
sridhar_rambobh: that's nice ..16:15
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bobhI think it will be similar enough to the ETSI spec and we can tweak from that16:16
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bobhThere are some larger design issues that will need to be addressed at some point but this is a good start16:17
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sridhar_rambobh: agree, the last iteration of the spec looks reasoanable ..16:17
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bobhThat's all I have unless anyone has questions/comments16:17
sridhar_rambobh: of course we need to get the spec merged ... ;-)16:18
sripriyai guess we have 2 WIP for monitoring framework.. one from bobh and other from tbh16:18
sridhar_ram I know we doing are things in parallel .. as we are short on time16:18
bobhminor details... I'll push the final(?) version today16:18
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sridhar_rambobh: I'm quite happy w/ the spec.. one thing I would like to see is the abstract class interface .. we can take that up in the code-review16:19
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bobhI copied the class from Mgmt but we can modify as needed16:20
bobhIts definitely more than we need at the moment but I think it provides a good framework for future expansion16:20
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sridhar_rambobh: agree..16:20
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sridhar_ramteam - if you've any last minute thoughts on health-mon .. please review
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sridhar_rambobh: anything else ?16:21
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bobhnot that I can think of16:22
sridhar_ramsripriya: I believe tbh and bobh are consolidating the two WIP patches...16:22
sridhar_ramtbh: ping16:22
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sridhar_ramokay .. lets move on to SFC16:23
sripriyasridhar_ram: i see16:23
sridhar_rams3wong: ping16:23
sridhar_ram#topic Tacker-SFC16:23
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sridhar_ramtrozet: hi, can you provide some quick updates from OPNFV-SFC of things..?16:24
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trozetsridhar_ram: sure16:24
sridhar_ramit will be good to hear where we stand w.r.t SFC & Tacker !16:24
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trozetso OPNFV has a scope limitation where we cannot release any VNFM/MANO application as part of a release16:24
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trozetdue to a conflict of vendor interests when OPNFV was formed16:25
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s3wonghello, sorry16:25
trozetso this is kind of a dumb limitation, and the chair of OPNFV (Chris Price) has agreed to re-examine the scope after our next release which is Feb 2nd16:25
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trozetso the tl;dr is they wont let Tacker be in the next release as an official part16:26
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trozetbut I also lead an installer project in OPNFV (Apex), I will continue to do the Tacker work with you guys upstream and then get it into our installer for the next release16:26
trozetas an unofficial "experimental testing feature"16:27
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sridhar_ramtrozet: that's awesome!16:27
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sridhar_ramto make that happen.. which openstack release would OPNFV release base on ?16:28
sridhar_rams3wong: hi16:28
trozetit will be Liberty O/S and Lithium ODL16:28
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sridhar_ramtrozet: I guess we need to find a way to get the tacker SFC work done off our liberty branch16:29
trozetsridhar_ram: is that OK with you?16:30
sridhar_ramoverall I'm fine w/ tacker not directly part of OPNFV release .. and going in as experimental feat on top of B will give us room to iron out our initial issues..16:30
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sridhar_ramtrozet: that's a question to the team here ... looking for ideas how to support this effort16:31
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sridhar_ramwith the constraint that OPNFV B release is going to be Liberty based16:32
sridhar_ramteam - any thoughts ?16:32
trozetyeah I will probably need some help as this is the first time I've modified/done any openstack dev work16:32
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bobhsounds like a good plan - a head start on Liberty will be nice16:32
sridhar_ramtrozet: don't worry, we have many folks here to guide / help you16:33
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trozetso I will work on the spec, shall that be proposed on master or a liberty branch?16:34
sridhar_rambobh: the challenge is to have make a liberty release with everything else we have - SFC and then somehow accommodate SFC16:34
s3wongsridhar_ram, trozet: when is OPNFV B release going to be?16:34
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trozets3wong: set for Feb 2nd16:34
sridhar_ramone option is to make multiple Liberty release - kinda along the lines of ODL's SR1, SR2...16:34
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s3wongsridhar_ram: I guess a special Liberty Tacker release for SFC is probably the answer16:36
s3wongsridhar_ram: I don't think as a team we want to get into a habit of having in-cycle release, probably just special case16:37
sripriyado we work on tacker master for SFC and then backport to Liberty for a SR once OpenStack is released for Liberty...?16:37
sridhar_rams3wong: agree, this would be an exception..16:37
s3wongsridhar_ram: since Tacker isn't an OpenStack tent project, and even if it is, it would likely forever be 'release: independent', one option would actually be releasing Liberty sometimes in Dec/Jan with the SFC stuff integrated16:38
sridhar_rams3wong: we need better planning w/ downstream projects .. and even other way around16:38
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sridhar_ramhere is a proposal :)16:38
sridhar_ramlets pull a stable/release close to 09/25 for features currently in the pipeline..16:39
sridhar_ram* stable/liberty16:39
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sridhar_rampull a sfc branch off stable/liberty and have trozet develop code there ... do another liberty-sfc release16:40
sridhar_ram... after merge to stable/liberty16:40
sridhar_ramthen double commit the sfc feature to master .. towards mitaka16:40
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trozetmakes sense to me16:41
sripriyasridhar_ram: agree on the plan16:41
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bobhsridhar_ram: +116:41
sridhar_rams3wong: you get the last word !16:42
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sridhar_ramthere is bit of branch merge logistics .. but doable IMO16:42
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s3wongsridhar_ram: I am OK with that --- given that based on this cycle's development propensity, I don't think we expect a lot of checkins between summit and Jan/Feb (when I presume the SFC stuff would have to work very well)16:43
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s3wongso presumably there should be minimal syncing between the stable branch and the sfc-dev branch16:43
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sridhar_rams3wong: agree...16:43
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sridhar_ramI hope sfc branch is a short lived one and we quickly get things into master to march on16:44
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sridhar_ramI've seen the speed at which trozet codes - so I'm not worried ;-)16:45
s3wongsridhar_ram: so you are going to take the action item to pull the stable and sfc-dev branches? :-)16:45
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trozetjust a heads up also - there is development work to be done in the lower layers (OVS, ODL) which will be handled in the OPNFV SFC project16:45
sridhar_rams3wong: yeah, I'll take up the branch logistics16:45
trozetso the main tacker sfc stuff working with ODL will depend on ^ being complete16:45
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s3wongtrozet: is the OPNFV team pushing to get NSH support (finally) into OVS upstream?16:46
sridhar_ramtrozet: understood, there are many moving parts here...16:46
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trozets3wong: its complicated :)  Intel is pushing  a patch upstream (they estimated within the next 1-2 weeks) that allows Ethernet+NSH, but only with dpdk16:47
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s3wongtrozet: Oh, that is funky...16:47
trozets3wong: OPNFV SFC wants a dpdk and non-dpdk solution16:47
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trozets3wong: using the unofficial patch nshv8 that Cisco made works with ODL SFC, but it doesn't work when integrating into openstack without hacks and workarounds16:48
trozets3wong: so there are problems to solve and work to be done there, before we can actually render a service function chain into OVS from Tacker16:48
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sridhar_ramtrozet: with Lithium already released .. is this even doable ? that is to get openstack --> ODL-Li --> patched OVS-NSH to work ?16:49
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s3wongtrozet: yeah, I remember seeing the patch from the Cisco (vCider folks, I believe) on ovs-dev back in early 2013; at that time blp's point is we need to wait for official UDP port number for NSH, and now we have had it for about a year now, and still not in OVS :-)16:49
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trozetsridhar_ram: well how it goes is we have to release by default with Liberty and Lithium...however our installer can have a flag to install a certain version of ODL16:50
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s3wongtrozet: yeah, we at Neutron networking-sfc is also waiting for it. Neutron leadership does NOT allow OVS forks to be the data path backend16:50
trozetsridhar_ram: so we have some flexibility there, especially with calling Tacker SFC experimental16:51
sridhar_ramI see...16:51
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sridhar_ramhowever the openstack pieces will be Liberty .. is there any room to pick something newer ?16:51
trozets3wong: so you are working on the networking-sfc?  We can work together to make sure the spec is abstract enough to meet both versions of SFC (odl + neutron)16:52
s3wongtrozet: yes, I am a core there as well16:52
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trozetsridhar_ram: technically yes, we could have  a flag to install a different openstack, but our limitation is our installer (RDO-Manager) which relies on RDO16:52
s3wongtrozet: and we should work together to get Tacker to work with both16:53
trozetsridhar_ram: I'm not sure when RDO would have M support, and if Tacker is included16:53
sridhar_ramtrozet: okay, then the proposal we painted earlier is the best IMO..16:53
trozeti think so16:53
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sridhar_rams3wong: trozet: I do believe Tacker-SFC could *eventually* converge with networking-sfc... but for now lets not make networkign-sfc as a dependency for Tacker-SFC16:54
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sridhar_ramwe have enough dependency already - ODL, OVS, etc... :)16:54
trozetoh ok you want to keep it separate16:54
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s3wongsridhar_ram: I don't think for Liberty we are making it a dependency16:55
sridhar_rambut totally agree and support the common cause to get OVS pieces in plance16:55
s3wongsridhar_ram, trozet: but my guess is eventually even ODL SFC team would want to integrate with networking-sfc16:55
sridhar_rams3wong: agree..16:55
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sridhar_ramhere is the slide deck I circulated to OPNFV-SFC team..16:56
trozets3wong: that party is still fuzzy to me as well.16:56
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sridhar_ramit show the different phases on how we could evolve Tacker SFC towards networking-sfc16:56
trozetsridhar_ram, s3wong: but for Tacker, you want one SFC API that serves both ODL-SFC and networking-sfc, no?16:56
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s3wongtrozet: that would be ideal16:57
sridhar_ramtrozet: absolutely16:57
sridhar_ramatleast that should be the goal..16:57
trozetsridhar_ram: ok just wanted to make sure that was the intent16:57
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sridhar_ramNFV operators wouldn't (or shouldn't ) care how a SF chain is realized underneath16:58
sridhar_ramfolks we are close to our time limit..16:58
sridhar_ramlets wrap..16:58
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sridhar_ramlets march on w/ the plan we proposed earlier...16:58
sridhar_ramI'll take the action items to do the branch logistics..16:59
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sridhar_rammeanwhile lets get the health-mon in place by next week...16:59
sridhar_ramreviewers - please help out!16:59
sridhar_ramgoing to be busy week..16:59
sridhar_ramtalk to all next week !17:00
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sripriyathanks everyone! bye!17:00
sridhar_rambye folks17:00
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daneyon_#startmeeting container-networking18:00
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daneyon_I'll give everyone a minute to review the agenda18:01
daneyon_#topic roll call18:01
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TangoTon Ngo18:01
s3wongStephen Wong18:01
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daneyon_Thank you Tango s3wong eghobo for joining18:02
daneyon_#topic Discuss Kuryr Design Spec18:02
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daneyon_I have just given my +1 vote to the spec18:02
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daneyon_I think it's in good shape and thanks to gsagie for putting a ton of effoert into it18:02
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daneyon_I think it was well worth going through the process. I have a much better understanding of what kuryr is and is not, along with near-term/long-term dev activities18:03
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daneyon_I hope the rest of the groups agrees18:03
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TangoI think it was a good exercise for the Kuryr team also18:04
daneyon_I would like to take this time for everyone to perform a quick review of the spec and cast your vote.18:04
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daneyon_If you cast a -1, please be very clear on what you need from gsagie for a +1 vote and follow up with the spec18:04
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daneyon_#action everyone who votes on the kuryr design spec to continue tracking the spec to completion by voting.18:05
daneyon_Tango agreed18:05
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daneyon_I'll give the team until :15 to reconvene, please take this time to review and vote on the spec.18:06
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daneyon_t- 2 minutes18:13
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daneyon_I see Tango has casted a vote. eghobo and s3wong do you need more time to review and cast a vote?18:15
eghoboyes, I would like to think a little18:15
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daneyon_hongbin I have asked the team to review the kuryr spec and cast a vote. If -1, pls provide a detailed comment on what is needed for your +1 vote18:15
s3wongdaneyon_: I am good18:15
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daneyon_I am asking this of the team, b/c the kuryr team is looking for our support.18:15
daneyon_It is very important to them that the magnum community is on board with the direction of the project.18:16
daneyon_hongbin do you need a link to the spec?18:16
daneyon_thank you s3wong18:16
hongbindaneyon_: no. I am good18:16
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daneyon_hongbin great... thank you.18:17
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hongbinI think their spec is good. I cannot find anything unstatisfied18:18
daneyon_eghobo no problem, I don't want you to feel rushed. Take the time you need, I just ask that if -1 the spec to please provide a detailed comment on what is needed for your +1 vote. As you can see the spec has been in action for a while. Thanks!18:19
daneyon_hongbin agreed, that's why it finally got my +1 ;-)18:19
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daneyon_hongbin take the time you need to review, just please cast your vote and if -1 the spec to please provide a detailed comment on what is needed for your +1 vote. Thanks!18:20
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daneyon_lets proceed18:20
daneyon_#topic Discuss Kuryr Integration Blueprint18:20
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daneyon_although the bp is named container-in-instances, IMO the details of the bp cover the main points oof Magnum integration.18:21
hongbindaneyon_: I have +118:21
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daneyon_The bp details were derived from the integration ep that we put together18:21
daneyon_I would like to give the group until :30 to review the contents of the bp.18:22
daneyon_If you have any questions or concerns, please use the meeting irc to communicate18:22
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daneyon_t- 2 minutes18:28
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daneyon_I suggest subscribing yourself to the blueprint if you intend to stay involved with integrating magnum and kuryr.18:30
daneyon_Any questions or concerns regarding the kuryr integration bp?18:30
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daneyon_I would expect the details of this blueprint to get broken-out into smaller bp's for the different tasks.18:31
hongbindaneyon_: do you have the link to the integration bp?18:31
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Tangobrand new one18:32
hongbindaneyon_: Oh, this one. Sorry I saw that18:32
daneyon_in hindsight, I should have chosen a different name. Let me update the name real quick18:32
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Tangoyeah the name is not obvious18:33
daneyon_give me 2 min to update18:33
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daneyon_go ahead a refresh18:34
hongbinyes, it is better :)18:34
daneyon_lets proceed with our agenda18:34
daneyon_thx hongbin18:34
daneyon_#topic Discuss Magnum Container Networking in Swarm Bay Type Issue. Details were posted to the mailer.18:34
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daneyon_I will give everyone until :40 to review the link18:35
hongbindaneyon_: I think the default value of discover_url is configurable18:36
hongbinMaybe a solution is to define the default discovery_url for each bay in config file18:36
daneyon_hongbin that is correct18:36
daneyon_but the issue is bigger than that18:36
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daneyon_hongbin can you take another look at my explanation and let me know if you understand the issue I'm facing?18:37
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* hongbin reading18:38
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daneyon_in general, swarm uses the discovery_url. If I simply implement flannel for the swarm bay type, flannel will contend with swarm for the discovery_url, b/c flannel required etc and magnum has implemented the public discovery mechanism for bootstrapping the etcd cluster.18:40
Tangodaneyon_: The options are not numbered, I can guess, but do you want to number them?18:40
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TangoI would vote for #2 also, having one discovery18:41
daneyon_essentially swarm and etcd's public discovery mechanisms will contend with one another b/c how discovery_url was implemented18:41
daneyon_Tango, will do18:41
daneyon_the formatting of the ep messed up the formatting of the email that went out.18:42
daneyon_1 sec18:42
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hongbindaneyon_: for option #2, is the implementation hard or easy?18:43
hongbinor I should say, what need to change?18:43
daneyon_ok, the formatting should be good now18:43
daneyon_hongbin I think the implementation is a 3-4 out of 10 difficulty rating.18:44
hongbinthen, I have no problem of that.18:44
daneyon_hongbin what needs to change is using a different discovery mechanism for the swarm bay type18:44
daneyon_let me clarify...18:45
daneyon_swarm would use etcd instead of Docker's public (Docker Hub) discovery service.18:45
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hongbindaneyon_: yes, switch the discovery method should not be a problem in my view, but better ask andrew's advice18:46
hongbinandrew is the author of swarm bay18:46
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daneyon_The swarm Heat template would stand-up an etcd cluster (just like it does for a k8s bay type) as part of orchestrating the swarm bay type. The swarm manager/agent service would be configured to use the etcd cluster vip instead of the public discovery service18:46
daneyon_hongbin I tried pinging amelton on irc yesterday. I'll try again today18:47
daneyon_I will proceed with option #2 unless anyone from the group or amelton has objections.18:48
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hongbindaneyon_: one thing, for the case that there is a private cloud and it has no external internet access18:48
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hongbinis that anyway to solve the discovery problem in flannel?18:49
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daneyon_hongbin with my proposal, etcd will still use it's public discovery mechanism.18:49
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daneyon_we can certainly change that with etcd, but I would like to file a seperate bp for that use case18:50
daneyon_my focus right now is to make sure flannel networking (using network-driver and labels) works across all bay types.18:51
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hongbinyes, we can worry the case later18:51
hongbinthe private cloud case18:51
daneyon_but i do like the option of moving all discovery away from public and keeping it inside the bay.18:51
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hongbinagree, public discovery service is optimal18:52
daneyon_unless their are anymore questions regarding the discovery issue, let's move on.18:52
daneyon_#topic Review Action Items18:52
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daneyon_ACTION: danehans to continue coordinating with gsagie on a combined kuryr/magnum design summit session.18:52
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daneyon_I have not discuss the DS with gsagie, let's move the action item fwd.18:52
daneyon_#action danehans to continue coordinating with gsagie on a combined kuryr/magnum design summit session.18:52
daneyon_ACTION: everyone to take a few minutes reviewing the 9/7/2015 kuryr meeting logs18:53
daneyon_I have reviwed the logs from last week's meeting.18:53
daneyon_Hopefully everyone else has too ;-)18:53
daneyon_#topic Open Discussion18:53
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daneyon_Here is my WIP patch for the swarm work18:54
daneyon_I need to post an update, b/c/ I have made a ton of changes since then18:54
daneyon_This is just for the Heat template portion of the work.18:54
daneyon_As I have done with k8s, I will be posting other patches for the conductor, etc.. work18:55
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daneyon_anyone have a topic for discussion?18:55
daneyon_If not, then we'll wrap things up a few minutes early.18:55
daneyon_Thanks everyone for attending!18:56
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terrylhowedtroyer: stevemar meeting today?19:04
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stevemarterrylhowe: oops, i will postpone booking travel for an hour19:04
stevemardtroyer: around?19:04
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stevemarterrylhowe: not sure where dtroyer is19:11
stevemarwe can start and he can catch up?19:11
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terrylhowegot distracted myself stevemar sorry, nothing to discuss here really, I haven’t had much time in the past week and half for osc and that is likely to continue through next week unfortunately.19:19
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stevemarterrylhowe: okay, we can skip this week19:23
stevemarwe really need a release and to fix a gate issue19:23
stevemarocc caused a hiccup19:23
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terrylhoweseems like there have been a lot of gate issues lately.  sometimes I wonder if the functional test a check but not a gate19:26
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terrylhowestevemar: ^ would speed up merges too19:26
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stevemarterrylhowe: i meant its a check issue now19:28
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stevemarin this instance it actually saved our ass19:28
stevemarwell, in regards to the image defaulting version issue, it saved our butts - cause we would have broken devstack19:29
terrylhowestevemar: if it was a check, it would run for each patch. if we removed it as a gate, it would not run for merges risky, but it would keep things moving19:29
stevemarthis new issue, the unit tests are failing19:29
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