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| ttx | #startmeeting releaseteam | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 5 13:00:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 13:00 |
| ttx | dhellmann: o/ | 13:00 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle_Management#Agenda | 13:00 |
| ttx | #topic Release tag changes | 13:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release tag changes (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 13:01 | |
| ttx | dhellmann: I flagged a few reviews about release tag changes | 13:01 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228461/ | 13:01 |
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| ttx | networking-ovn switching to -with-milestones | 13:02 |
| ttx | They decide, right | 13:02 |
| dhellmann | yeah, if they're happy with that model, it's ok | 13:02 |
| ttx | If you post your +2 I'll approve it now | 13:02 |
| dhellmann | done | 13:03 |
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| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228511/ | 13:03 |
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| ttx | same for vmware-nsx | 13:03 |
| dhellmann | voted | 13:04 |
| ttx | armax temporarily -1ed, so i'll check that first | 13:04 |
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| dhellmann | looking at the one for ironic-python-agent they also ask for the managed tag | 13:04 |
| ttx | oh, yeah, that was the managed bit | 13:04 |
| ttx | ok approving | 13:04 |
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| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229983/ | 13:05 |
| ttx | ironic-python-agent asking for switch to intermediary + managed | 13:05 |
| dhellmann | I'm looking at the other ironic projects and which are managed | 13:05 |
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| dhellmann | most of them are not, yet, and I wonder if that's an oversight or a difference in expectations | 13:06 |
| dhellmann | jroll: ^^? | 13:06 |
| ttx | maybe we can ask for precisions | 13:06 |
| ttx | also that would likely kick in mitaka | 13:06 |
| ttx | so might be better to make the change post-reolease so that it's clearer when that kicks in | 13:07 |
| dhellmann | good ponit | 13:07 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll ask on the review | 13:07 |
| ttx | at least the :managed side | 13:07 |
| ttx | ok that works | 13:07 |
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| ttx | #topic Liberty release coordination | 13:07 |
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| ttx | We are at R-1 which is the last week to produce "normal" RCs | 13:08 |
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| ttx | I'm respinnin RCs to include last translations imports this week | 13:08 |
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| ttx | Most should be done by Wednesday | 13:08 |
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| ttx | After that the idea is to only respin on embarassing regressions | 13:08 |
| ttx | and install / upgrade blatant fails | 13:09 |
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| ttx | The goal being to have a calm release week, and a busy Thursday retagging everything | 13:09 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Cinder RC2 update - I need to check on one more review, but I think we may be ready for RC2. | 13:10 |
| ttx | things following the intermediary model sure require less work | 13:10 |
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| ttx | smcginnis: we'll wait until tomorrow to catch the latest translations anyway | 13:10 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Sounds good. Thanks! | 13:10 |
| ttx | dhellmann: am I missing anything ? | 13:11 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: anything on the requirements side that may trigger unexpected requirements syncs ? | 13:11 |
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| dhellmann | k | 13:14 |
| dhellmann | btw, your feedback on the schedule change to the project guide was good, I'll try to incorporate that in a new draft early this week | 13:14 |
| ttx | ack | 13:14 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 13:14 |
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| ttx | Anything else we should be aware of ? | 13:15 |
| dhellmann | looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/requirements+is:open+branch:stable/liberty,n,z | 13:15 |
| dhellmann | I think there's some lag in my connection | 13:15 |
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| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230744/1 would update a minimum, but I don't know how big of a deal that would be | 13:16 |
| dhellmann | I went ahead and suggested only changing the constraints file | 13:16 |
| ttx | hmm, let's see who consumes that | 13:16 |
| dhellmann | we have some other constraints file changes we should update to ensure we're testing properly | 13:17 |
| ttx | apparently muranoclient bump would not affect anything we handle | 13:17 |
| dhellmann | I wasn't sure if we wanted to follow the single +2 rule during this period or not, so I left +2 but didn't approve | 13:17 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, that's not surprising -- do you want to allow it then? | 13:18 |
| ttx | yeah, I think it's fine. Doublechecking master first | 13:18 |
| ttx | not merged in master yet | 13:18 |
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| ttx | we should approve in master first, see what that triggers if anything | 13:19 |
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| dhellmann | sounds good, approving now | 13:19 |
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| ttx | still confused as to how a .patch bump can enable "everything they did in liberty" | 13:20 |
| ttx | or rather "half of Murano functionality" | 13:20 |
| ttx | must have been a hell of a bug | 13:20 |
| dhellmann | sigh | 13:21 |
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| dhellmann | we need to have teams put in better functional testing for clients | 13:21 |
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| ttx | the constraints bump are ok, are you approving them? Should I ? | 13:22 |
| dhellmann | I'll do the ones I didn't submit | 13:22 |
| dhellmann | ttx: oh, well, I already +2 those -- do we want to follow the single reviewer rule right now? | 13:23 |
| ttx | approved yours | 13:23 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yeah, that's fine on constraints bump | 13:23 |
| dhellmann | ok | 13:23 |
| dhellmann | we hadn't talked about it, so I wasn't sure | 13:23 |
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| ttx | ok, anything else for the meeting ? | 13:24 |
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| dhellmann | do you need any help with the rc2s this week? | 13:24 |
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| ttx | I think I have them under control | 13:24 |
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| dhellmann | all of those constraints changes are approved | 13:24 |
| ttx | I'll let you know if things go weird | 13:25 |
| dhellmann | ok, let me know if I can help, otherwise I'm going to keep working on the conference presentation and mitaka communication plans | 13:25 |
| ttx | ack | 13:25 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 13:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 5 13:25:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-10-05-13.00.html | 13:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-10-05-13.00.txt | 13:25 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 5 14:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 14:00 |
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| boris-42 | n0ano: so now it should be rally ? | 14:01 |
| boris-42 | n0ano: meeting | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | n0ano: in the alt meeting room | 14:01 |
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| n0ano | boris-42, my bad, sorry about that | 14:01 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 5 14:01:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-10-05-14.00.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-10-05-14.00.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-10-05-14.00.log.html | 14:01 |
| edleafe | world's shortest meeting! | 14:01 |
| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 5 14:02:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
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| boris-42 | ping andreykurilin oanufriev | 14:02 |
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| andreykurilin | hey hey | 14:02 |
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| e0ne | hi | 14:03 |
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| rvasilets | o| | 14:03 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: rvasilets hi | 14:03 |
| temujin_ | Hi all | 14:03 |
| boris-42 | temujin_: hi | 14:03 |
| boris-42 | seems like this meeting will be quite short | 14:04 |
| boris-42 | #topic [boris-42] Bug reports housekeeping | 14:04 |
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| boris-42 | okay guys we need to do something with bugs | 14:04 |
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| boris-42 | we have like 72 bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/rally -3 that are fixed is like 69 | 14:05 |
| boris-42 | which is bad | 14:05 |
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| boris-42 | part of bugs are forever in-progress status | 14:05 |
| boris-42 | so I believe we should detect those and finish patches | 14:06 |
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| boris-42 | so we will reduce size of patch queue and amount of bugs in project | 14:06 |
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| andreykurilin | +1 | 14:06 |
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| rvasilets | +1 | 14:07 |
| boris-42 | so the another thing that I did was | 14:07 |
| rvasilets | We could ask every 2 weeks about status of bug for example | 14:07 |
| boris-42 | refactoring all bugs | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | so they have now tags | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | and you can pick bugs from area that you know better | 14:08 |
| temujin_ | cool | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: we may but it will be better just to fix them ;0 | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: and keep like less then 30 open bugs | 14:08 |
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| rvasilets | ok | 14:09 |
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| boris-42 | so that is all from my side | 14:10 |
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| boris-42 | let's finish meeting if there is no more questions for few minutes | 14:11 |
| rvasilets | Who would be manage bugs? | 14:11 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: I will ask ilyakhudoshin | 14:12 |
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| rvasilets | Lets imagine that community filled 40 bugs in a week what is our action on this? | 14:12 |
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| rvasilets | We will fix bugs immediately or by situation? | 14:13 |
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| redixin | sorry i late | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: we will try to fix asap bugs | 14:14 |
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| redixin | did you decided where to store rally config and database by default? | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | redixin: for other side it doesn't look like real situation | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilets: we should triage bugs asap | 14:14 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets: and fix them based on it's priority | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | redixin: so sqlite does work with many wirtters | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | redixin: so we did just 777 | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | redixin: which will work for everybody | 14:15 |
| redixin | go+w it is the same as 777 | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | redixin: hm | 14:15 |
| redixin | so your patch does not change much | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | redixin: hm | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: let me check | 14:16 |
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| redixin | it is not actually same, but almost same | 14:16 |
| redixin | there is write permissons to everyone | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | redixin: so this is what we need | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | redixin: write permission for everybody | 14:16 |
| redixin | go+w gives write to everyody | 14:16 |
| redixin | 777 just add executable by everybody | 14:17 |
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| rvasilets | no. I don't think so because 'go+w' not equal to 'a+w' and 777 it like 'a+rwx' | 14:17 |
| redixin | with go+w we got 'rwxrw-rw-' | 14:18 |
| redixin | with 777 we got 'rwxrwxrwx' | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | redixin: rvasilets so the truth is that with 777 install_rally.sh works | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | redixin: with go+w doens't work | 14:18 |
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| redixin | this is weird | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | because it was like 664 access | 14:18 |
| redixin | what does 'x' bit for sqlite file? | 14:19 |
| rvasilets | you forgot about 'u' | 14:19 |
| rvasilets | its about the owner of the file | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | redixin: so guests were able to read only | 14:19 |
| rvasilets | 777 include it | 14:19 |
| rvasilets | go+w no | 14:19 |
| rvasilets | I think so | 14:19 |
| rvasilets | and also matybe some issues with reading | 14:20 |
| rvasilets | *maybe | 14:20 |
| redixin | http://dpaste.com/1Q73RBY | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | redixin: so I don't know LOL | 14:21 |
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| redixin | probably sqlite uses x bit somehow | 14:21 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: you can spend some time and investigate it | 14:22 |
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| redixin | ok | 14:22 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: in any case guys from community dislike the idea of putting db file to home dir in case of sys wide inslattaion | 14:23 |
| redixin | rvasilets, there is 'rw' permissons for user by default (man umask) | 14:23 |
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| rvasilets | redixin, ok | 14:25 |
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| boris-42 | so as we finished all topics | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | let's finish meeting | 14:26 |
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| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 5 14:27:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-10-05-14.02.html | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-10-05-14.02.txt | 14:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-10-05-14.02.log.html | 14:27 |
| andreykurilin | bye | 14:27 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 5 15:00:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:00 |
| rfolco | o/ | 15:00 |
| anteaya | hello rfolco | 15:01 |
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| anteaya | rfolco: I'm not sure if I know you, what ci account is yours? | 15:01 |
| mmedvede | hi anteaya | 15:01 |
| rfolco | rfolco, pkvm ci | 15:01 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: hello, how are you today? | 15:01 |
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| rfolco | anteaya, pkvm ci :) | 15:02 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: I am well, thank you | 15:02 |
| asselin__ | o/ | 15:02 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: rfolco and I are on the same team | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | hi asselin__ | 15:02 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: glad to hear it | 15:02 |
| asselin__ | hi everyone | 15:02 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: oh, I was just going to say I don't see pkvm ci listed: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 15:03 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: IBMPowerKVMCI | 15:03 |
| anteaya | oh | 15:03 |
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| mmedvede | abbreviations :) | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | yeah I wouldn't remember that abbreveation | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | so thanks | 15:03 |
| anteaya | what shall we talk about today? | 15:04 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything they wish to discuss? | 15:04 |
| aysyd | hi everyone | 15:04 |
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| anteaya | hello aysyd | 15:05 |
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| rfolco | anteaya, aysyd is in my team too | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | wonderful | 15:05 |
| anteaya | your team has a great turnout today | 15:05 |
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| rfolco | lol | 15:05 |
| anteaya | how is your ci operating? | 15:05 |
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| rfolco | in terms of? | 15:06 |
| anteaya | is it working as expected? | 15:06 |
| mmedvede | it is stable, but has some pypi problems at the moment | 15:06 |
| mmedvede | can't get packages | 15:06 |
| anteaya | glad it is stable | 15:06 |
| anteaya | that is a problem | 15:06 |
| anteaya | is it a new problem? | 15:06 |
| mmedvede | started today | 15:07 |
| anteaya | interesting | 15:07 |
| mmedvede | but upstream is also failing lots | 15:07 |
| anteaya | upstream what? | 15:07 |
| mmedvede | upstream jenkins | 15:07 |
| anteaya | do you have some urls of patches with jobs failing due to jenkins? | 15:07 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: I do not believe it is due to jenkins. I meant that some of the jenkins jobs have also started failing. Along the other third-party CI systems | 15:09 |
| anteaya | interesting | 15:09 |
| anteaya | have you any logs that might point to what the issue is | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | if there is a problem that is causing jobs to fail I would be interested in finding out what that may be | 15:09 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: looking at xenproject ci http://logs.openstack.xenproject.org/86/230186/4/check/dsvm-tempest-xen/4e0a686/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer | 15:10 |
| mmedvede | during python package install | 15:10 |
| rfolco | I don't know the specifics for today's problem, but int general pip packages and dependencies are changed without much criteria so they break CI jobs | 15:10 |
| mmedvede | same happens for us, e.g. http://dal05.objectstorage.softlayer.net/v1/AUTH_3d8e6ecb-f597-448c-8ec2-164e9f710dd6/pkvmci/nova/86/230186/4/check/check-ibm-tempest-dsvm-full/14e85a6/devstacklog.txt.gz | 15:10 |
| mmedvede | to me it looks like a load capacity problem | 15:11 |
| mmedvede | asselin__: is your CI working fine? | 15:11 |
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| * asselin_ checks | 15:12 | |
| hogepodge | o/ | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | hi hogepodge, welcome | 15:12 |
| anteaya | we are just looking at some pypi timeout issues | 15:13 |
| asselin_ | seems ok, a few random failures I need to check the details, but nothing major | 15:13 |
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| dstufft | Hi | 15:14 |
| anteaya | hi welcome | 15:14 |
| anteaya | so dstufft his meeting is for operators of ci systems that aren't openstacks but report to it | 15:14 |
| anteaya | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 15:14 |
| anteaya | and everyone this is dstufft he works with a lot of python packaging issues and may have some abiltiy to evaluate if pypi is experiencing load issues | 15:15 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: can you share those log links again? | 15:15 |
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| mmedvede | sure | 15:15 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:15 |
| mmedvede | #link IBM PowerKVM CI pypi timeout http://dal05.objectstorage.softlayer.net/v1/AUTH_3d8e6ecb-f597-448c-8ec2-164e9f710dd6/pkvmci/nova/86/230186/4/check/check-ibm-tempest-dsvm-full/14e85a6/devstacklog.txt.gz | 15:16 |
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| mmedvede | #link citrix-xenserver i http://logs.openstack.xenproject.org/86/230186/4/check/dsvm-tempest-xen/4e0a686/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz | 15:16 |
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| mmedvede | I might have mislabeled citrix | 15:17 |
| anteaya | dstufft: have you enough context that your presence in this meeting makes sense to you yet? | 15:17 |
| anteaya | #undo | 15:17 |
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| dstufft | yea | 15:17 |
| anteaya | dstufft: thanks | 15:17 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: try again | 15:17 |
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| dstufft | Connection Reset by Peer would be coming from Fastly | 15:18 |
| dstufft | Fastly's our CDN | 15:18 |
| dstufft | there was an issue like this awhile ago... | 15:18 |
| dstufft | sec | 15:18 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: I removed the last link from the meeting minutes you can try the last link again | 15:18 |
| anteaya | dstufft: thank you | 15:18 |
| mmedvede | #link XenProject CI check pypi timeout http://logs.openstack.xenproject.org/86/230186/4/check/dsvm-tempest-xen/4e0a686/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz | 15:19 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: thank you | 15:19 |
| dstufft | https://github.com/travis-ci/travis-ci/issues/2389 | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | #link https://github.com/travis-ci/travis-ci/issues/2389 | 15:20 |
| anteaya | that says the issue was closed March 9th | 15:21 |
| dstufft | Right, that was Travis-CI having a similar issue | 15:21 |
| dstufft | they seemed to have resolved it by disabling ECN on their systems | 15:21 |
| * anteaya looks up ECN | 15:22 | |
| dstufft | From my memory, this problem seemed specific to a particular setup (e.g. it wasn't a wide spread problem, but the people having the problem had it regularly) | 15:22 |
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| dstufft | and Fastly investigated it for a awhile and couldn't find anything on their end that seemed to be causing it | 15:22 |
| anteaya | hmmmm | 15:23 |
| anteaya | well it seems to be affecting at least two different operators | 15:23 |
| dstufft | https://github.com/travis-ci/travis-ci/issues/2389#issuecomment-75292931 is the post where someone suggested the ECN option | 15:23 |
| anteaya | and given the amount of folks running systems vs the amount of folks who talk to us I would multiple that by at least 10 | 15:23 |
| anteaya | dstufft: is this what you mean by ecn? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explicit_Congestion_Notification | 15:24 |
| dstufft | yea | 15:24 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: looking at our internal scoreboard status, lots of third-parties are failing. Strangely, upstream jobs look fine, but I need to query logstash to make sure | 15:24 |
| anteaya | #link ecn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explicit_Congestion_Notification | 15:24 |
| anteaya | dstufft: thank you | 15:24 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: hmmmm | 15:25 |
| dstufft | I think it was particularly this bit "Rather than responding properly or ignoring the bits, some outdated or faulty network equipment has historically dropped or mangled packets that have ECN bits set." | 15:25 |
| anteaya | does anyone know offhand (or can you look?) if you are using ecn? | 15:25 |
| dstufft | Going by memory, I think the guess was that some hardware switch in between Travis and the Fastly POP was doing something bad with the ECN bits | 15:25 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: yes, if you could query logstash with what you are seeing that would be great, thank you | 15:26 |
| anteaya | dstufft: fair enough | 15:26 |
| anteaya | I'm feeling that this connection reset by peer situation is new | 15:26 |
| dstufft | It was never confirmed though, so it might be the problem | 15:26 |
| dstufft | er | 15:26 |
| dstufft | might not be the problem | 15:26 |
| anteaya | mmedvede reported it started today | 15:26 |
| dstufft | I'm happy to raise an issue with Fastly though | 15:26 |
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| anteaya | and I do think they have been running their ci for about a year | 15:26 |
| anteaya | dstufft: that would be great, thank you | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | if they could take a look at what they are seeing from their end at the very least | 15:27 |
| dstufft | are you able to curl -I pypi from that box and see what POP you're getting | 15:28 |
| anteaya | so dstufft will speak with Fastly and mmedvede will look at logstash to see if upstream is seeing any of the same issues | 15:28 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: can you do so? | 15:28 |
| dstufft | it'll be in a header | 15:28 |
| anteaya | curl -I pypi? | 15:28 |
| dstufft | Served-By or so | 15:28 |
| dstufft | curl -I https://pypi.python.org/ | 15:28 |
| dstufft | X-Served-By: cache-iad2138-IAD | 15:28 |
| dstufft | like that | 15:29 |
| anteaya | perhaps put it in paste? | 15:29 |
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| anteaya | unless it is one line | 15:29 |
| dstufft | all the headers will be multiple lines, just that header will be one | 15:30 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have time to try that now? | 15:30 |
| dstufft | FWIW https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/2426 would make this not fail (or at least, not fail as a much) I just haven't done it yet | 15:30 |
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| anteaya | dstufft: how can I help you have time to do that? | 15:31 |
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| dstufft | I've been working on Warehouse so I haven't been touching pip much, I can probably switch around to that sometime soon though | 15:32 |
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| anteaya | and it doesn't sound like any of our operators have time right now to look at their headers | 15:33 |
| asselin__ | X-Served-By: cache-iad2142-IAD, cache-dfw1834-DFW | 15:33 |
| anteaya | asselin__: ah thank you | 15:33 |
| dstufft | other option to mitigate is to run your own PyPI mirror nearby too | 15:33 |
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| asselin__ | but we use our own pypi mirror now | 15:33 |
| anteaya | dstufft: true but many of our smaller ci operators probably won't do that | 15:33 |
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| dstufft | oh wait | 15:34 |
| anteaya | asselin__: ah okay would make sense then you are isolated from this issue | 15:34 |
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| dstufft | is that log you sent me from your own mirror? | 15:34 |
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| anteaya | asselin__ didn't send any logs | 15:34 |
| anteaya | mmedvede sent logs | 15:34 |
| dstufft | oh | 15:34 |
| dstufft | durr | 15:34 |
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| asselin__ | no, that's the output fromthe curl command you posted above | 15:34 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: are you using a pypi mirror? | 15:34 |
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| dstufft | stupid Textual made their usernames the same color | 15:34 |
| anteaya | dstufft: no it is a good question | 15:34 |
| anteaya | dstufft: ah yeah | 15:34 |
| anteaya | okay so header information to you, elbow you some time to work on pip | 15:35 |
| anteaya | anything else we should discuss on this topic? | 15:35 |
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| anteaya | right now? | 15:35 |
| dstufft | the curl info would be most useful from the boxes that are getting failure | 15:35 |
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| mmedvede | Made a kibana query with "error: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer" last 7 days, shows spike today. | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | dstufft: agreed, I'll work on getting that to you post meeting if it doesnt' come up before the end of the meeting | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: okay thanks | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: can you curl for the pypi headers? | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | curl -I https://pypi.python.org/ | 15:36 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: I probably can. It is not 100% rate of failure though | 15:36 |
| anteaya | the X-served-by header | 15:36 |
| anteaya | understood | 15:36 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: not sure about mirrors, need to check | 15:37 |
| rfolco | X-Served-By: cache-iad2145-IAD, cache-atl6226-ATL | 15:37 |
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| asselin__ | I did see this issue today with our mirror. Never saw it before...perhaps it was being updated at the time? http://15.126.198.151/98/229998/2/check/lefthand-iscsi-driver-master-client-pip-vsa673-dsvm/c2a1270/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2015-10-05_11_02_13_117 | 15:37 |
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| anteaya | asselin__: you mean perhaps the pbr wheel was being updated at the time? | 15:39 |
| anteaya | rfolco: thank you | 15:39 |
| rfolco | anteaya, ATL means atlanta and DFW Dallas ? just curious | 15:40 |
| mmedvede | #link Kibana search for "connection reset" http://imgur.com/Y46OqHl | 15:40 |
| dstufft | rfolco: yea | 15:40 |
| asselin__ | anteaya, yes | 15:40 |
| anteaya | rfolco: I'd guess that too, I don't know for sure | 15:40 |
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| anteaya | asselin__: okay thank you, and I agree it is possible | 15:40 |
| dstufft | https://www.fastly.com/network <- Fastly Locations | 15:40 |
| dstufft | generally they use airport codes in their DC names | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: filter on build_status:failure as well, not all of those hits are failures | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | dstufft: so that header is the fastly location header, that is being used by the box to hit pypi | 15:41 |
| dstufft | anteaya: Yea, pypi.python.org is a GeoDNS name that routes to your closest Fastly POP, Fastly is running Varnish which connects back to the PyPI servers and caches the result | 15:42 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: thank you. Added the filter. The same picture, only now 21 hits (probably 2 new just happened) | 15:42 |
| dstufft | the Connection Reset By Peer is coming from between your computer and Fastly, if it was between Fastly and PyPI you'd get a 503 error instead | 15:43 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: great, thanks | 15:43 |
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| anteaya | dstufft: good to know | 15:43 |
| anteaya | okay so we will be interested to hear your response from fastly | 15:43 |
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| anteaya | if you could post the the infra mailing list that would be great | 15:44 |
| anteaya | does that sound fair to everyone? | 15:44 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: thanks for bringing this up | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | okay if I give hogepodge some airtime now? | 15:45 |
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| rfolco | +1 | 15:45 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:45 |
| anteaya | #topic openstack foundation trademark usage program for third party operators | 15:45 |
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| anteaya | hogepodge: care to share your thoughts on the current status of your work? | 15:46 |
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| hogepodge | We're starting out with cinder drivers, since the third-party testing is pretty solid for that project. | 15:46 |
| anteaya | he might be afk at the moment | 15:46 |
| anteaya | ah here we are | 15:46 |
| anteaya | great | 15:46 |
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| asselin__ | go cinder! | 15:47 |
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| hogepodge | Reaching out to companies that have existing drivers passing cinder-ci to get them started on the license program or update their current licenses. | 15:47 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 15:47 |
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| anteaya | does anyone present have any questions for hogepodge? | 15:47 |
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| hogepodge | If we make good progress (I have a bit of a backlog of pre-summit work, so I'll know more later this afternoon) we're going to require all storage drivers be passing cinder ci to carry the OpenStack Compatible mark. | 15:48 |
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| anteaya | okay lovely | 15:48 |
| asselin__ | what does that mean "passing cinder ci" | 15:48 |
| anteaya | great question | 15:48 |
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| hogepodge | Passing the set of tests that cinder requires to demonstrate driver-facing and user-facing apis | 15:49 |
| asselin__ | especially in the face of patches that may or may not work and intermittent failures | 15:49 |
| asselin__ | such as pypi, devstack changes, et.c | 15:49 |
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| hogepodge | We don't yank a license because of a failed test. At renewal we would if the driver has not been passing ci for some time. Same thing for initial license. We want commitment to quality and community standards. | 15:51 |
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| hogepodge | So we have discretion. Meaning if something breaks upstream we can be patient and understanding and work with both upstream and downstream devs to get things right. | 15:52 |
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| asselin__ | also, which tests need to be required? Can any be skipped due to legitimate bugs external to the driver? | 15:53 |
| hogepodge | After the summit we want to work with neutron team and vendors to come up with ci for network plugins, with the same idea of using community testing standards to drive the trademark program for network drivers | 15:53 |
| dstufft | (Sorry to interject, Fastly got back to me. Asked if we could get a mtr from the failing machine to pypi.python.org) | 15:53 |
| asselin__ | I know there are quite a few encypted volume bugs that affect drivers differently | 15:53 |
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| anteaya | dstufft: what is a mtr? | 15:54 |
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| dstufft | http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ | 15:54 |
| dstufft | should be packaged in most distros | 15:54 |
| anteaya | #link http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ | 15:54 |
| anteaya | dstufft: thanks will work on getting this back to you post meeting | 15:55 |
| anteaya | sorry hogepodge and asselin__ | 15:55 |
| hogepodge | asselin__: we'd work with vendors and the dev team on problems like that. | 15:55 |
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| fungi | asselin__: hogepodge: my understanding was that it was basically up to cinder to decide whether a driver was in sufficient shape for the mark (e.g. deciding what tests it needed to run, et cetera). is that accurate? | 15:56 |
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| anteaya | that puts even more pressure on the projects | 15:56 |
| hogepodge | fungi: more or less, yes. We feel like the community knows best as to what makes a compatible driver. Cinder has a fairly well-defined set of apis that all need to be implemented, so that makes the job easier in a lot of ways | 15:57 |
| anteaya | and the projects are under considerable strain from the drivers as it is | 15:57 |
| anteaya | I would argue neutron buckled from the pressue which is why they revoked manditory testing | 15:57 |
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| anteaya | not strain from the operators that attend meetings and comply | 15:58 |
| anteaya | but from the ones who don't | 15:58 |
| anteaya | and then are upset about it | 15:58 |
| fungi | agreed that does put additional responsibility on the projects. on the other hand having some body disconnected from the project deciding what should be tested (possibly in disagreement with what the project wants to see tested) could lead to different and arguably worse sorts of strain | 15:58 |
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| anteaya | oh as to what should be tested, the projects do know best | 15:58 |
| asselin__ | sounds like we should have a tool to help check | 15:59 |
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| anteaya | as to monitoring to say whether a given ci is running those tests? | 15:59 |
| fungi | this seems like something projects should be able to opt into though, for sure | 15:59 |
| anteaya | that is considerably more work | 15:59 |
| anteaya | well if the foundation makes the testing manditory to recieve the mark, I dont' see how anyone can opt either in or out | 15:59 |
| fungi | true, though last cycle cinder did that work admirably, ripping out untested drivers right and left | 15:59 |
| hogepodge | all of the conversations with neutron are prelimiary. many members have expressed their concerns, but have also expressed that mark pressure could help bring the program back. | 16:00 |
| anteaya | very much so | 16:00 |
| hogepodge | if neutron said "nope", we'd respect that | 16:00 |
| anteaya | I'm saying that cinder took one path and neutron another | 16:00 |
| fungi | anteaya: i expect it's more that the mark won't exist if there's no interest from a project in helping shape and police it | 16:00 |
| anteaya | and I fully understand why both projects made the decison they made | 16:00 |
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| anteaya | no interest has different definitions | 16:01 |
| anteaya | interest in having things for marketing? very high interest | 16:01 |
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| anteaya | interest in doing the leg work so those things actually reflect value? very low | 16:01 |
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| anteaya | anyway | 16:01 |
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| hogepodge | paths can be different too | 16:02 |
| anteaya | we won't reach consencus today | 16:02 |
| hogepodge | not one size-fits-all | 16:02 |
| anteaya | hogepodge: that is good to know | 16:02 |
| anteaya | that might work best then | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:02 |
| openstack | rakhmerov: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:02 |
| anteaya | as I don't think what works for cinder will work for neutron | 16:02 |
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| anteaya | rakhmerov: in a meeting just finishing up | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | excuse me, we're supposed to have a meeting | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | yep, thnx | 16:02 |
| anteaya | thanks all for your kind attendance and participationg | 16:03 |
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| anteaya | see you next week | 16:03 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 16:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 5 16:03:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-10-05-15.00.html | 16:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-10-05-15.00.txt | 16:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-10-05-15.00.log.html | 16:03 |
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| anteaya | rakhmerov: you're up | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | thank you | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 5 16:04:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:04 |
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| NikolayM | hi everyone! | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:05 |
| m4dcoder | yo | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | hey Winson | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | how are you? | 16:05 |
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| m4dcoder | good. and you? | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | still alive :) | 16:05 |
| m4dcoder | that's very good | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder, NikolayM: I actually think we won't see a lot of people today at the meeting | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | if so, my suggestion is to make it short ) | 16:06 |
| m4dcoder | sounds good | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | so let's skip action items because we haven't had meetings for a while and report our statuses | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status | 16:07 |
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| m4dcoder | i'm just testing mistral and fixing bugs. i.e. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230237/. btw, Renat, can you review/approve this? | 16:08 |
| m4dcoder | i still have to submit bps and bugs in launchpad today per our meeting from last week. | 16:08 |
| NikolayM | my status: currently working on SSH connectivity to guest network issue; modified SSH action to auth using private keys | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | my status: mostly busy with reviewing patches, sent a few minor patches today (updating AUTHORS and .mailmap), verifying everything needed for official release (docs, bugs etc.), started planning OpenStack summit | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: yes, sorry. My last friday was a little bit shorter so I didn't have a chance to do it after our last meeting | 16:09 |
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| m4dcoder | rakhmerov: thanks | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: btw, I'd love to help you with DB dead locks as much as my schedule allows it | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | so let's try to be in touch (offline, online, whatever), I can try to help you with that | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | since I'm more or less aware of all that DB stuff | 16:11 |
| m4dcoder | thanks. running the postgresql functional tests will identify a few | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: the main question to you in the context of this meeting: do you have any suggestions for the summit? | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | I mean topics | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | I'm now also doing mid-term/long-term planning for Mistral | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | I know that you're mostly interested in stability, performance and HA but if you also have something else you could let us know | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | you can add it to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-tokyo-summit-2015 | 16:14 |
| m4dcoder | yeah. definitely running mistral at scale and reliability | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:14 |
| m4dcoder | abstracting security | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | so if something else comes up feel free to modify that etherpad | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:15 |
| m4dcoder | ok | 16:15 |
| m4dcoder | i'll add to the pad | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | and please add a couple of line describing a topic | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | e.g. "We need to abstract security layer because of this and that.." | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks | 16:16 |
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| m4dcoder | yep, i just did | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, NikolayM: review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230237/ | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | good | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | so as far as other topics, I was planning to discuss UI work but that should have been done with ALU folks who are still on holidays I guess | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | Liberty release seems to be pretty healthy, we're about to do a massive QA work to verify everything, including docs | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | and there's still several bugs that we're planning to fix | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM, m4dcoder: do you have anything else you'd like to discuss? | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | any roadblocks, important issues | 16:20 |
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| m4dcoder | i don't have any right now | 16:21 |
| NikolayM | nothing from me | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: one last thing I'd like to ask you about is reviewing patches | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | we're really lacking reviewers on the project ) | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | e.g. we now have a number of small patches that may hang for a long time | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | so please review once in a while | 16:23 |
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| m4dcoder | ok. i'll pick up some code reviews this week. | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, thanks | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | let's end the meeting then | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | bye guys, thanks for joining | 16:24 |
| NikolayM | bye! | 16:24 |
| m4dcoder | alright. bye | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 5 16:24:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:24 |
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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 5 17:01:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:01 |
| matjazp | roll call | 17:01 |
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| cloudtrainme | Hi | 17:01 |
| rluethi | hi | 17:01 |
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| jmckind | hello | 17:01 |
| madorn | hi | 17:01 |
| matjazp | hi all | 17:02 |
| matjazp | #topic outstanding actions from last meeting | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "outstanding actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 17:02 | |
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| mgrohar | hi | 17:03 |
| matjazp | there's no specific agenda, so the "standard" one will suffice :) | 17:03 |
| matjazp | #info matjazp sent status report to Lana and Tim | 17:03 |
| matjazp | #topic upstream training | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "upstream training (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 17:04 | |
| matjazp | we have reached an important milestone - we’re no longer published as draft! http://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/ | 17:04 |
| matjazp | #info we have reached an important milestone - we’re no longer published as draft! http://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/ | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | #info we have a new landing page (we used the Docs default theme, so material is nicely integrated into other official Docs) | 17:05 |
| * cloudtrainme celebrates at my desk | 17:05 | |
| matjazp | #info our material is now included as a separate section in the official docs index page, with Upstream training as a first official deliverable (http://docs.openstack.org/#training-guides) | 17:05 |
| matjazp | so, nice work everyone! :)) | 17:05 |
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| cloudtrainme | great leadership matjazp: | 17:05 |
| matjazp | we still have outstanding bugs | 17:05 |
| matjazp | #info upstream training bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/?field.searchtext=upstream&search=Search&assignee_option=none | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | and we still need to migrate stuff from old Upstream wiki to the new landing page | 17:06 |
| matjazp | but things are moving in the right direction | 17:07 |
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| matjazp | I expect the will be some new bugs for upstream as soon as we're few days from the event | 17:08 |
| matjazp | there are always some last minute changes ;) | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | everything is updated continuously as soon as the patch merges and is also visible right away | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | anything else about upstream? | 17:10 |
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| madorn | i dont have anything right now | 17:11 |
| matjazp | ok, moving on | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | #topic training slides | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | upstream training is a priority, but we can still work on the training slides | 17:12 |
| matjazp | any progress here? | 17:13 |
| cloudtrainme | I'm about to commit the overview slide of Nova | 17:13 |
| matjazp | cloudtrainme: great! | 17:13 |
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| matjazp | cloudtrainme: did you manage to fix tox? | 17:14 |
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| cloudtrainme | yes...turned out to be a problem with my personal PTYTHONPATH | 17:15 |
| cloudtrainme | PYTHONPATH | 17:15 |
| matjazp | aha, ok. the slide submission process is not really straightforward | 17:15 |
| matjazp | I know trainers are used to Powerpoint and like | 17:16 |
| matjazp | hmm.. do we need a Wiki page with more detailed instructions about contributing? | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | oh.. I forgot, we already have a bug for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/+bug/1492972 | 17:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1492972 in OpenStack Training Guides "Update Wiki with instructions about contributing " [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:17 |
| spotz | matjazp Just joining but please:) | 17:18 |
| madorn | matjazp: just curious..so right now if one were interested in getting information on contributing to upstream openstack, what would be the first resource | 17:18 |
| madorn | we would direct them to | 17:18 |
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| madorn | within the training guides.. | 17:19 |
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| matjazp | madorn: are we talking about contributing to the upstream training or upstream OpenStack in general? | 17:19 |
| madorn | upstream OpenStack | 17:19 |
| madorn | we'd expect them to review this deck, right? http://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/12-howtocontribute.html#1 | 17:20 |
| matjazp | that's what the upstream training is for | 17:20 |
| matjazp | please also look at the dev docs | 17:20 |
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| matjazp | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html | 17:21 |
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| spotz | matjazp And if interested in helping with training guides specifically? | 17:21 |
| matjazp | spotz: we use the same process as for the code | 17:22 |
| matjazp | bugs/patches and gerrit | 17:22 |
| matjazp | look a the bugs queue https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/ | 17:22 |
| matjazp | assign a bug | 17:23 |
| matjazp | submit a patch to the Gerrit (review.openstack.org) | 17:23 |
| spotz | jump on reviews, etc? | 17:23 |
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| matjazp | yes, contributing to the training guides is the same as contributing code | 17:24 |
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| spotz | sounds good | 17:24 |
| matjazp | except that our main deliverables are slides and rst landing pages | 17:24 |
| matjazp | clone the repo, add/modify rst files, run tox to build locally, submit to tge gerrit | 17:25 |
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| matjazp | we also have gate checks and builds | 17:26 |
| matjazp | if you click on the jenkins gate check, you can see submitted patch as it would render when it will be merged | 17:26 |
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| matjazp | we use sphinx/hieroglyph and rst source for slides | 17:27 |
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| matjazp | if you have any questions about the process, don't hesitate to ask | 17:28 |
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| spotz | matjazp Will do, I saw one of your meetings a month or so ago and you peeked my interest | 17:28 |
| matjazp | we also use a docs ML , if you prefer asnyc msgs | 17:29 |
| matjazp | async | 17:29 |
| matjazp | spotz: great, we need all the help we can get | 17:29 |
| matjazp | especially for the t | 17:29 |
| matjazp | Training slides | 17:29 |
| spotz | after the meeting just pass me the ML, don't want to keep interrupting:) | 17:30 |
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| matjazp | #info we use Docs ML http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-docs | 17:30 |
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| matjazp | we're a Docs Speciality team, so we use all the Docs infrastructure | 17:32 |
| matjazp | anything else about Training slides? | 17:32 |
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| madorn | nope.. | 17:33 |
| matjazp | ok, moving on | 17:33 |
| matjazp | #topic AOB | 17:34 |
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| matjazp | stage is yours :) | 17:34 |
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| matjazp | if you like, you can introduce yourself, if you're new here | 17:35 |
| madorn | my name is Matt Dorn and I work on the Rackspace Training Team :) | 17:36 |
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| madorn | currently contribute to openstack-manuals and goign to start contributing to training guides | 17:36 |
| matjazp | welcome Matt :) | 17:36 |
| madorn | thanks! | 17:36 |
| cloudtrainme | Welcome madorn: | 17:37 |
| madorn | thanks | 17:37 |
| cloudtrainme | matjazp: do we have an outline for the Training Slides | 17:37 |
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| matjazp | cloudtrainme: yes, hidden at the bottom of the wiki :/ | 17:38 |
| cloudtrainme | outlining topics we want to cover | 17:38 |
| matjazp | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-guides#Training_slides_-_Modules | 17:38 |
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| * matjazp needs to update the wiki, but has no time to do it | 17:38 | |
| spotz | Amy Marrich, also at Rackspace as a Linux Ops Admin. Current contributing to Barbican project | 17:38 |
| matjazp | welcome Amy! | 17:38 |
| spotz | err ops engineer but same thing:) | 17:38 |
| cloudtrainme | Welcome spotz: | 17:39 |
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| madorn | hi spotz. | 17:39 |
| spotz | Hey matjazp, madorn and cloudtrainme:) | 17:39 |
| matjazp | should we wrap it up? | 17:41 |
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| cloudtrainme | all good here | 17:42 |
| madorn | sure, think im good right now, gonna take some times to see if i can tackle the bugs. | 17:42 |
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| matjazp | madorn: just ping me (IRC or ML) | 17:42 |
| madorn | sounds good, thanks | 17:42 |
| spotz | thanks for all the info:) | 17:43 |
| matjazp | glad to help | 17:43 |
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| matjazp | spotz: if you need anything just ping me or the ML | 17:44 |
| spotz | Will do thanks matjazp | 17:44 |
| matjazp | thanks all for you time | 17:44 |
| matjazp | see you next week | 17:44 |
| matjazp | bye! | 17:44 |
| madorn | matjazp, bye thanks! | 17:44 |
| cloudtrainme | bye | 17:44 |
| jmckind | bye all | 17:44 |
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| spotz | bye | 17:45 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 5 17:45:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-10-05-17.01.html | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-10-05-17.01.txt | 17:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-10-05-17.01.log.html | 17:45 |
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| adam_g | #startmeeting akanda | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 5 18:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adam_g. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: akanda)" | 18:00 | |
| adam_g | o/ | 18:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'akanda' | 18:00 |
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| adam_g | roll call | 18:00 |
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| adam_g | markmcclain, davidlenwell elo ryanpetrello anyone around? | 18:03 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 18:03 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 18:03 |
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| adam_g | hey so we all met last week | 18:04 |
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| adam_g | and went over remaining TODOs for liberty | 18:04 |
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| adam_g | ive converted those notes into a akanda-liberty etherpad so we can track this stuff as we go | 18:04 |
| adam_g | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/akanda-liberty | 18:05 |
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| adam_g | theres 3 main feature related targets we've been working on that we *Really* need to finish up in the next 3 days if we want to stick to the schedule of an RC by the 8th | 18:05 |
| adam_g | the driver framework should be ready for final review and merging, and has passing tests | 18:06 |
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| adam_g | the ha ring stuff as well (i may need to do one final rebase after this meeting) | 18:06 |
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| markmcclain | awesome | 18:07 |
| adam_g | the pez stuff is functional but largely unfinished.. since its an optional feature, im happy including it in this release as a tech preview type thing and further refine it in M | 18:07 |
| markmcclain | makes sense | 18:07 |
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| adam_g | i have no idea what our agenda is for this meeting but hows about | 18:08 |
| adam_g | #topic remaining liberty work | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "remaining liberty work (Meeting topic: akanda)" | 18:08 | |
| adam_g | #todo everyone piles on reviews and gets stuff landed, specifically rug HA and driver patches | 18:08 |
| adam_g | there are some remaining bugs that we want closed for liberty | 18:09 |
| adam_g | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1482389 | 18:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1482389 in akanda "demo tenant instance connectivity issues /w devstack " [High,New] | 18:09 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, any update on this? | 18:09 |
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| adam_g | this is the spoofing protectino issues/allowed address pairs fix | 18:09 |
| markmcclain | right.. I've got a work around for liberty | 18:09 |
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| markmcclain | go side tracked with something else on Friday, but should be able to return finishing it up today | 18:10 |
| markmcclain | I'm expecting the fix for liberty and kilo to be slightly different | 18:10 |
| markmcclain | so the backport will not be 1:1 | 18:10 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, are you still working on the liberty patch at this point or is there something to share there? | 18:11 |
| markmcclain | still finishing up adding test coverage | 18:11 |
| markmcclain | the method I changed did not have enough coverage to being with | 18:12 |
| adam_g | im happy to help test and finish up tests if you wanna push up what you've got later today | 18:12 |
| adam_g | but we should definitely try to get the liberty bug closed asap and work on the kilo backport after | 18:12 |
| markmcclain | agreed | 18:13 |
| * adam_g fixes up the bug | 18:13 | |
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| adam_g | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1502993 | 18:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1502993 in akanda "the nginx-plus dib element does not work" [Undecided,New] | 18:14 |
| adam_g | davidlenwell, sup? | 18:14 |
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| davidlenwell | getting close.. will have a patch today | 18:15 |
| davidlenwell | I'm just stacking a test env now | 18:15 |
| adam_g | k | 18:15 |
| adam_g | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1496866 | 18:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1496866 in akanda "nameserver is not set correctly in the appliance" [Undecided,New] | 18:15 |
| adam_g | this was identified by rods, who i think has some workaround fix. ill work with him on getting that into a patch that we can merge | 18:16 |
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| markmcclain | ok.. cool | 18:16 |
| adam_g | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1491593 | 18:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491593 in akanda "tenant created networks cannot be deleted by the tenant" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Adam Gandelman (gandelman-a) | 18:16 |
| adam_g | this is a nasty one we need to fix | 18:16 |
| adam_g | ive had a patch up for a while to fix it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219951/ | 18:17 |
| adam_g | tho im not sure that works well with the driver model | 18:17 |
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| markmcclain | I'm guessing it is a bit of a race combined with stale ports left over from create error? | 18:18 |
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| adam_g | markmcclain, no this is just the fact that we create the VRRP + MGT ports as admin but never clean them up anywhere | 18:18 |
| adam_g | so the network cant be deleted by the tenant until those ports are removed | 18:18 |
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| markmcclain | right makes sense | 18:18 |
| adam_g | its a less a corner case and more just a really bad thing we need to fix :) | 18:19 |
| markmcclain | very true | 18:19 |
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| adam_g | i think its it for liberty, we really need to get cracking and flushing these patches out we're running out of time. | 18:19 |
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| adam_g | #topic mitaka summit planning | 18:20 |
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| adam_g | does anyone know what the plan is wrt to meeting places and scheduling? | 18:20 |
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| adam_g | is it on us to just come up with a time and place that works for everyone, or is summit-infra helping with anything? | 18:20 |
| markmcclain | it will be on us to come up with time/place to meet | 18:20 |
| markmcclain | since our app to be official project hasn't been decided yet | 18:21 |
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| adam_g | ok. we can work on finding a time+place that agrees with everyone schedule as we get closer | 18:22 |
| markmcclain | yeah... that works | 18:22 |
| adam_g | #topic application to migrate to openstack namespace | 18:24 |
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| adam_g | markmcclain, whats the up date here? i should probably be involved with this now | 18:25 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194892/ | 18:25 |
| markmcclain | I've proposed the change here | 18:25 |
| markmcclain | currently right now the discussion is around where the project should live | 18:25 |
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| markmcclain | whether it belongs as a neutron stadium project or on its own the big tent | 18:26 |
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| adam_g | ah ya, reading the new comments now | 18:27 |
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| adam_g | okay, well ill leave the ball in your court markmcclain since i know theres a TC meeting with this on the agenda scheduled for tomorrow | 18:28 |
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| adam_g | #topic open discussion | 18:28 |
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| stanchan | hi all... sorry for being off topic, but is there a reference implementation for the driver model in akanda/astara or a blueprint about the implementation that I can read up on? | 18:28 |
| markmcclain | ok.. cool | 18:28 |
| stanchan | or on topic since it's now open :-) | 18:29 |
| adam_g | hehe | 18:29 |
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| adam_g | stanchan, that stuff is all in-flight and in the process of (hopefully) landing this week | 18:29 |
| adam_g | stanchan, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215227/ | 18:29 |
| stanchan | ok... thanks. | 18:29 |
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| adam_g | that is the main patch, which includes the reference base driver and the first driver (router) | 18:30 |
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| stanchan | nice... I'll take a look at it | 18:30 |
| adam_g | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225369/ is another patch built on the first that adds a driver for loadbalancing | 18:30 |
| adam_g | i think those should give you a good idea | 18:30 |
| adam_g | short of having any docs atm | 18:30 |
| stanchan | I'm all for documentation as code | 18:31 |
| adam_g | right on | 18:31 |
| adam_g | anything else? | 18:31 |
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| adam_g | okay tty in #akanda | 18:32 |
| adam_g | #endmeeting | 18:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 5 18:32:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-10-05-18.00.html | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-10-05-18.00.txt | 18:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-10-05-18.00.log.html | 18:32 |
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| philipw | o/ | 20:00 |
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| kencjohnston | Easy there phil, I don't think the PWG meeting has started yet :) | 20:01 |
| kencjohnston | also, o/ | 20:01 |
| Leong | o/ | 20:01 |
| philipw | :) | 20:01 |
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| philipw | i shall announce my presence twice, its okay ;-) | 20:02 |
| shamail | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 5 20:02:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 20:02 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 20:02 |
| shamail | Hi everyone, let's start w/ roll call | 20:02 |
| philipw | o/ | 20:02 |
| Leong | o/ | 20:02 |
| KrishR | o/ | 20:02 |
| cloudrancher | Jay is here o/ | 20:02 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team#October_5.2C_2015_Team_Meeting | 20:02 |
| scohen1 | o/ | 20:03 |
| shamail | #topic user story updates | 20:03 |
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| shamail | sgordon: are you here? | 20:03 |
| sgordon | shamail, just on irc | 20:03 |
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| shamail | great | 20:04 |
| shamail | asking yourself and Leong for update | 20:04 |
| DericHorn-HP | here | 20:04 |
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| shamail | #info Capacity management: three key areas identified | 20:04 |
| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/product-wg/2015-October/000758.html | 20:05 |
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| shamail | #action sgordon or Leong to update wiki for capacity management user story | 20:06 |
| Leong | Capacity Control (Leong, Steve), Performance and Reliability at Scale (Jesse, Deepak), Capacity Planning (unassigned) | 20:06 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories/Capacity_Management | 20:06 |
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| shamail | #info update on lifecycle management | 20:06 |
| shamail | started with two user stories, looking to split into three | 20:07 |
| rockyg | o/ | 20:07 |
| shamail | hi rockyg | 20:07 |
| MeganR | o/ | 20:07 |
| * rockyg just got on call, too | 20:07 | |
| shamail | hi MeganR | 20:07 |
| shamail | #action scohen1 to update lifecycle mgmt wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories/Lifecycle_Management | 20:08 |
| shamail | #info update on onboarding legacy apps user story | 20:08 |
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| shamail | Team looking at how to reduce nova work | 20:09 |
| shamail | Some updates done to wiki (team members, etc) | 20:09 |
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| shamail | Team identifying what does onboaring mean | 20:09 |
| shamail | current definition its about importing existing resources | 20:09 |
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| rockyg | new user story for converting pets to cattle | 20:12 |
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| shamail | #action Review current user story for onboarding legacy and determine if a net new user story or whether existing one can be modified to fit actual progress | 20:13 |
| shamail | #action cloudrancher or DericHorn-HP to update wiki with any status updates for onboarding: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories/Onboarding_Legacy_Apps | 20:14 |
| shamail | (dialing back in, lost phone conn) | 20:14 |
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| shamail | #info rolling upgrades user story update | 20:15 |
| rockyg | (me, too) | 20:15 |
| shamail | Tracking progress via deployment team in Enterprise WG | 20:15 |
| shamail | welcome back rockyg :) | 20:16 |
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| shamail | Some discussions around self-discovery tool and determine upgrade fit/approach | 20:16 |
| cloudrancher | Sorry guys - have to run off. | 20:17 |
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| shamail | np, cya Jay | 20:17 |
| kencjohnston | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Enterprise_Working_Group | 20:17 |
| kencjohnston | look for the "Deployment Team" heading | 20:18 |
| shamail | #action kencjohnston and Keith to update rolling upgrade wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories/Rolling_Upgrades | 20:18 |
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| shamail | Can any user stories move to "proposed"? | 20:19 |
| shamail | #vote Should we open draft for revisions, comments, any general feedback? Yes, No | 20:21 |
| shamail | #startvote Should we open draft for revisions, comments, any general feedback? Yes, No | 20:21 |
| kencjohnston | #vote Yes | 20:21 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we open draft for revisions, comments, any general feedback? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 20:21 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:21 |
| kencjohnston | #vote Yes | 20:21 |
| pchadwick | #vote Yes | 20:21 |
| Leong | #vote Yes | 20:21 |
| DericHorn-HP | #vote Yes | 20:21 |
| rockyg | #vote yes | 20:21 |
| philipw | #vote yes | 20:21 |
| KrishR | #vote yes | 20:21 |
| shamail | #showvote | 20:22 |
| openstack | Yes (7): rockyg, philipw, kencjohnston, DericHorn-HP, pchadwick, KrishR, Leong | 20:22 |
| scohen1 | #vote yes | 20:22 |
| shamail | #agreed Draft stories can/should be shared for comments | 20:22 |
| shamail | #agree Draft stories can/should be shared for comments | 20:22 |
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| shamail | Proposed then becomes "waiting for resources" versus "needs feedback" | 20:23 |
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| shamail | #action shamail will update wiki with changes to draft and proposed workflows | 20:29 |
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| shamail | #topic Mitaka roadmap update | 20:29 |
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| shamail | #link https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_yCSDGnhIbzRW40YmJKdEYyOTQ | 20:29 |
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| shamail | #info Team plans to have draft deck ready for Product WG review by next week | 20:31 |
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| shamail | #topic Working Session in Tokyo | 20:32 |
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| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/productwg-tokyo-meetup | 20:32 |
| shamail | Intel/Rackspace will be talking about OSIC on Tuesday, let's review during F2F | 20:34 |
| shamail | #action KrishR and Carol B. to add item to agenda | 20:34 |
| shamail | If you plan to attend remotely, please let us know in the etherpad | 20:35 |
| shamail | #topic Tokyo Ops Summit | 20:36 |
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| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-meetup | 20:36 |
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| shamail | rockyg will be focused on/moderating logging sessions and the monitoring sessions during the ops summit | 20:37 |
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| shamail | shamail moderating ops-tagging and feedback into PWG | 20:38 |
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| shamail | #topic OpenStack Summit Sessions - All | 20:39 |
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| shamail | rockyg: cover all of the cross-project sessions if possible | 20:40 |
| shamail | The cross project sessions will occur at the same time slots over 2 days | 20:41 |
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| shamail | #topic Wiki Tour | 20:42 |
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| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam | 20:42 |
| shamail | #topic Open Items | 20:44 |
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| rockyg | If you can, VOTE for TC. Both Carol Barrett and Rochelle (Rocky) Grober are running. | 20:46 |
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| shamail | Take care! | 20:48 |
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| shamail | #endmeeting | 20:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 5 20:48:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-10-05-20.02.html | 20:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-10-05-20.02.txt | 20:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-10-05-20.02.log.html | 20:48 |
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