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| thinrichs | Is anyone here for Congress? | 01:00 |
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| thinrichs | Time change in the US means it was 1 hour ago. | 01:04 |
| thinrichs | So we're skipping this week's meeting. | 01:05 |
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| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 06:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 5 06:00:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 06:00 |
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| katomo | Hi | 06:00 |
| adiantum | hi | 06:00 |
| ianychoi-webirc | Hello | 06:00 |
| Daisy | Hi, katomo and adiantum. | 06:00 |
| Daisy | Hi, ianychoi-webirc | 06:00 |
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| Daisy | Good to see you again. | 06:01 |
| Daisy | Let's start the meeting. | 06:01 |
| ianychoi-webirc | Hi, Daisy | 06:01 |
| adiantum | Good to see you Daisy, ianychoi-webirc and katomo | 06:02 |
| Daisy | We were all in the Tokyo meeting. | 06:02 |
| adiantum | yes | 06:02 |
| katomo | yeah, adiantum | 06:02 |
| ianychoi-webirc | yes! | 06:02 |
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| Daisy | I previously thought this IRC meeting could include more people who didn't attend Tokyo summit. | 06:02 |
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| Daisy | So I will change the agenda a little. | 06:02 |
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| Daisy | I will skip the first one. | 06:03 |
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| Daisy | I will skip the first topic and go to the second directly. | 06:03 |
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| Daisy | #topic Review Mitaka plan. | 06:03 |
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| Daisy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-i18n-meetup | 06:03 |
| Daisy | I have listed some TODO items there. | 06:04 |
| Daisy | Any of you have updates to these items ? | 06:04 |
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| Daisy | Sorry I don't have. I took several days vacation and just came back to work today. | 06:04 |
| Daisy | KATO, I saw some patches from you to set up i18n repo. | 06:05 |
| katomo | training guide translation | 06:05 |
| Daisy | Thank you for taking care of it. | 06:05 |
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| ianychoi-webirc | That's fine. Vacation is always nice :) | 06:05 |
| katomo | you are welcome. | 06:05 |
| Daisy | katomo: any updates for training guide translation? | 06:05 |
| katomo | scripts are merged | 06:05 |
| Daisy | great | 06:06 |
| katomo | need to be executed from Jenkins | 06:06 |
| Daisy | So need I create projects in Zanata ? | 06:06 |
| katomo | I'm checking infra jobs | 06:06 |
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| katomo | Daisy: yes, but I guess automatically created by infra jobs. | 06:07 |
| eumel8_ | morning, Frank here! | 06:07 |
| Daisy | katomo: I didn't see it in translate website. | 06:07 |
| katomo | are you always manually create? | 06:07 |
| adiantum | hi eumel8_! | 06:07 |
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| katomo | Daisy: not yet periodically uploaded | 06:07 |
| Daisy | katomo: I don't know in Zanata. I didn't create any projects in Zanata till now. But I always manually created in Transifex. | 06:07 |
| katomo | need to update jenkins job. | 06:07 |
| Daisy | katomo: can you send me the link to the patch ? | 06:08 |
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| katomo | okay, I ask Andreas about details | 06:08 |
| katomo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240739/ | 06:08 |
| Daisy | katomo: ok. I hope the process to add new projects could be documented somewhere. | 06:09 |
| katomo | just created scpirt only | 06:09 |
| katomo | script* | 06:09 |
| Daisy | katomo: yes, just scripts. | 06:09 |
| Daisy | Not jenkins jobs | 06:09 |
| katomo | yeah | 06:09 |
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| Daisy | Anyway, it's a good start up. Thank you, katomo. | 06:10 |
| ianychoi-webirc | Thanks you, katomo :) | 06:10 |
| Daisy | adiantum: any progress with stackalytics ? | 06:10 |
| katomo | ianychoi-webirc: thanks to review | 06:10 |
| ianychoi-webirc | It's my great pleasure. | 06:11 |
| adiantum | Daisy, have a small vacation, didn't progress yet | 06:11 |
| Daisy | adiantum: all right. Do you have any plan ? | 06:12 |
| adiantum | yes | 06:12 |
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| Daisy | Thank you, adiantum. Please take care of it. | 06:12 |
| adiantum | Daisy, yes, sure | 06:13 |
| Daisy | anything else update ? | 06:13 |
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| Daisy | If no, let's move to open discussion. | 06:14 |
| Daisy | #Topic Open discussion | 06:14 |
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| katomo | #info Arch Design Guide is under RST conversion by docs team | 06:14 |
| katomo | #info Config Reference is under RST conversion by docs team | 06:14 |
| katomo | it is not appropriate to translate them at now. | 06:14 |
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| Daisy | Good info. | 06:15 |
| Daisy | Thank you, katomo | 06:15 |
| katomo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate | 06:15 |
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| katomo | :) | 06:15 |
| katomo | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+spec/i18n-contributor-guide | 06:16 |
| Daisy | katomo: wow, it's a wonderful blueprint. I like it very much. | 06:16 |
| katomo | I want to create I18n contrbutor guide officially in our repo. | 06:16 |
| Daisy | +1 | 06:17 |
| ianychoi-webirc | +1 | 06:17 |
| adiantum | +1 | 06:17 |
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| ianychoi | wow better.. :) | 06:17 |
| katomo | thanks | 06:17 |
| katomo | that's all from me | 06:18 |
| ianychoi | For me, after coming back to Korea, I would like to open a small Korean translators meet-up time. Hope that more Korean translators will participate in our translation work. | 06:19 |
| Daisy | It looks like we will have a very short meeting today. I know we were just back from summit and haven't get ready for work yet. I'm so thankful to see so many progress made by katomo. Hope we could see more progress next IRC meeting. | 06:19 |
| Daisy | Thank you, ianychoi. | 06:20 |
| Daisy | I did a translator meet up in Beijing in Auguest. | 06:20 |
| ianychoi | Daisy, :) | 06:20 |
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| ianychoi | Wow.. good. How many translators participated at that time? | 06:20 |
| katomo | :) | 06:20 |
| Daisy | ianychoi: not big. around 20 signed up, around 10 showed up. :) | 06:21 |
| ianychoi | Daisy, great! :) | 06:21 |
| Daisy | ianychoi: I could share my deck with you if you need. | 06:21 |
| katomo | enough big ! | 06:21 |
| Daisy | ianychoi: I mean, the deck I used in the meet up to introduce our team. | 06:22 |
| ianychoi | Daisy, thanks so much! | 06:22 |
| adiantum | Daisy looks good enough =) | 06:22 |
| eumel8_ | Daisy: me too! maybe you have some advices how to motivate people. would be also nice to increase our local team | 06:22 |
| Daisy | eumel8_: I could send the deck to you too. | 06:22 |
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| eumel8_ | thx | 06:23 |
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| katomo | me too | 06:23 |
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| Daisy | eumel8_: I think, firstly, you need to promote our team and our work at first, using any chances. | 06:23 |
| ianychoi | And https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty/ko | 06:23 |
| katomo | Daisy: I need too | 06:23 |
| ianychoi | It's now 97%... today I will make it to 100% | 06:23 |
| Daisy | ok. got it. | 06:23 |
| Daisy | katomo: got it. | 06:24 |
| adiantum | Daisy: would you be so kind to share your deck with me too? | 06:24 |
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| katomo | Daisy: thanks | 06:24 |
| Daisy | sure, adiantum. | 06:24 |
| adiantum | Daisy: thank you. | 06:24 |
| katomo | ianychoi: looks many Korean :) | 06:25 |
| eumel8_ | ianychoi: looks funny for me ;) | 06:25 |
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| katomo | good progress | 06:25 |
| ianychoi | katomo, thank you :) | 06:25 |
| ianychoi | eumel8_, that's Korean :) | 06:25 |
| adiantum | ianychoi: great! | 06:25 |
| eumel8_ | but great work | 06:25 |
| ianychoi | adiantum, thank you! | 06:25 |
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| Daisy | I feel people like to translate release note very much. | 06:26 |
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| katomo | yeah | 06:26 |
| Daisy | Release note is good matrial to distribute in local language. | 06:26 |
| katomo | it is very important info | 06:27 |
| ianychoi | I totally agree with that idea. | 06:27 |
| Daisy | Just after release, I see many Chinese people write blogs and articles to introduce the new feature. I think many of them use the infromation in release note. | 06:27 |
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| Daisy | Any other topics to talk here ? If no, I will close the meeting. | 06:28 |
| ianychoi | Nope from me | 06:28 |
| katomo | looks same in Japan | 06:28 |
| katomo | none | 06:28 |
| adiantum | not yet | 06:28 |
| Daisy | Thank you very much for attending, guys. | 06:29 |
| katomo | thanks all | 06:29 |
| adiantum | Thanks all | 06:29 |
| ianychoi | Thank you all! | 06:29 |
| Daisy | Keep contact and let's meet next IRC meeting. | 06:29 |
| Daisy | Thank you. | 06:29 |
| eumel8_ | thank you all | 06:29 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 06:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 5 06:29:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-11-05-06.00.html | 06:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-11-05-06.00.txt | 06:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-11-05-06.00.log.html | 06:29 |
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| DennisPennis | How are you all? | 17:44 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, due to daylight savings time confusion, let's simply touch base in #openstack-contaienrs for network subteam concerns today, and skip the scheduled meeting. We had a good network session in Tokyo. | 18:08 |
| adrian_otto | correction: #openstack-containers | 18:08 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 5 21:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| mriedem | i'm not pinging people | 21:00 |
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| ctrath | \o | 21:00 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:00 |
| cburgess_ | Well fine... | 21:00 |
| * Vek checks in anyway | 21:00 | |
| mrda | o/ | 21:00 |
| mdorman | . | 21:00 |
| n0ano | o/ | 21:00 |
| edleafe | o/ | 21:00 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 21:00 |
| * mriedem calls everyone's mom to tell them to wake up | 21:00 | |
| cburgess_ | o/ | 21:00 |
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| tonyb | o/ | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:01 |
| gibi | o/ | 21:01 |
| bauzas | \.....o | 21:01 |
| mikal | Hi | 21:01 |
| doffm | o/ | 21:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:01 |
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| mriedem | #topic release-status | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release-status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
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| mriedem | spec review day on 11/19 i guess? | 21:01 |
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| mriedem | mitaka-1 is 12/1; This is also non-priority spec and blueprints freeze | 21:02 |
| mriedem | i'm assuming that's proposal freeze | 21:02 |
| bauzas | mriedem: correct | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 21:02 |
| bauzas | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078558.html | 21:02 |
| mriedem | so get your specs up before 11/19 to get them reviewed | 21:02 |
| mriedem | and before 12/1 for sure | 21:02 |
| mriedem | after that we only review specs that were proposed before 12/1 | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | ML thread is what bauzas' linked | 21:03 |
| mriedem | questions? | 21:03 |
| mriedem | nova design summit etherpads are here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads#Nova | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | on to process changes | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | note the [release] tag - what's that mean? | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | anyone? beuler? | 21:04 |
| bauzas | there are a few changes in the release process | 21:05 |
| Vek | release-related emails sent to the list should be tagged with that. Think that's largly to get PTL attention | 21:05 |
| mriedem | ah ok | 21:05 |
| mriedem | that's been around for awhile with the #openstack-release channel | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | that's where one goes to beg for releases of things, talk about schedules, etc etc | 21:05 |
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| bauzas | re: to that, I wrote something for reno | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | reno: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078301.html | 21:06 |
| mriedem | yeah, bauzas has a change up for in-tree release notes | 21:06 |
| mriedem | link? | 21:06 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+topic:add-reno,n,z | 21:06 |
| mriedem | releasing from our own stable branches: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078281.html | 21:06 |
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| bauzas | in the meantime I feel we should stick with the wikipage | 21:06 |
| * mriedem has not read most of these in detail | 21:06 | |
| mriedem | bauzas: for now yeah | 21:07 |
| mriedem | i updated the liberty release notes yesterday for a thing we missed, a deprecated option | 21:07 |
| mriedem | i guess i'll read up on the stable branch release process since that's my job | 21:07 |
| mriedem | looser milestone synchronization? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078280.html | 21:07 |
| mriedem | man the release ppl have been busy with process | 21:08 |
| mriedem | i'm guessing that just means ttx won't herd cats across all projects for cutting m-1 | 21:08 |
| mriedem | but idk | 21:08 |
| mriedem | release request process change: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/077034.html | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | the big thing there is you have to push 2 chagnes for a release on a thing, like novaclient | 21:08 |
| mriedem | one to the releases repo for the version bump, | 21:08 |
| Vek | s/ttx/Doug Hellmann/ I believe | 21:08 |
| mriedem | and one to the requirements repo for the upper-constraints bump | 21:09 |
| mriedem | they are the same person i think | 21:09 |
| mriedem | never see them in the same room | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : you obviously didn't watch our conference talk ;-) | 21:09 |
| mrda | lol | 21:09 |
| mriedem | smoke and mirrors | 21:09 |
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| dhellmann | haha | 21:09 |
| mriedem | finally, release liaisons http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/release-management.html#release-liaisons | 21:09 |
| mriedem | john is looking for one | 21:09 |
| bauzas | that's doable | 21:10 |
| mriedem | looks like that is mostly tracking status and doing admin paperwork in LP | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | any questions on any of this? | 21:10 |
| * dhellmann makes a note to update that section of the guide to remove the LP bits | 21:10 | |
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| mriedem | ok | 21:11 |
| mriedem | #topic blueprints and specs | 21:11 |
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| mriedem | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 21:11 |
| mriedem | that's the etherpad with the bp's and specs by category | 21:11 |
| mikal | Oh, cool | 21:11 |
| mriedem | i've noticed some specs and specless bp's not on there, which isn't the end of the world, | 21:11 |
| mriedem | but it helps the core team | 21:11 |
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| mriedem | "time to revive the code that got blocked by feature freeze" | 21:12 |
| mriedem | so, restore changes that you still want, | 21:12 |
| mriedem | ping people about removing -2s | 21:12 |
| mriedem | etc | 21:12 |
| mriedem | re-propose specs before 12/1 | 21:12 |
| mriedem | etc | 21:12 |
| mriedem | questions? | 21:12 |
| mriedem | specless blueprints are in the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 21:13 |
| cburgess_ | mriedem We should be putting approved specs on that etherpad then? | 21:13 |
| mriedem | if you have one, post it in the section in there and we'll take a look | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | cburgess_: it's more been about unapproved | 21:13 |
| mriedem | for teh review team, we just strike them out when done | 21:13 |
| cburgess_ | Ahh ok just checking to see if I needed to do paperwork for that RBD spec that just merged or not. | 21:14 |
| mriedem | i think it's helpful to categorize the things | 21:14 |
| mriedem | nope | 21:14 |
| mriedem | questoins on specless blueprints? | 21:14 |
| mriedem | moving on | 21:14 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 21:14 |
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| mriedem | mitaka review priorities, quick hit bugs and sub-team reviews are in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:15 |
| mriedem | i haven't checked the trivial bug list in awhile, how is that going? | 21:15 |
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| mriedem | also, do we increment those merge counters? i do when i remove something from the list, but i don't know if everyone does | 21:15 |
| bauzas | so far so good | 21:15 |
| bauzas | +1 | 21:16 |
| mriedem | not sure what that +1 means :) | 21:16 |
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| mriedem | or you're wondering the same | 21:16 |
| bauzas | like I do also the increment | 21:16 |
| dansmith | to incrementing the counter | 21:16 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:16 |
| bauzas | but it has been a while that I haven't looked at the list | 21:16 |
| mriedem | yeah, summit will do that for people | 21:17 |
| bauzas | lxsli was having some patches | 21:17 |
| mriedem | i'm reviewing more specs than code this week | 21:17 |
| mriedem | moving on | 21:17 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | gate status: http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:17 |
| mriedem | the only big nova gate issue is the cells job | 21:17 |
| bauzas | right | 21:17 |
| mriedem | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html#1489581 | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | which we have several changes up for, mostly debugging | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | we haven't hit a recreate on the unique constraint change after like 9 rechecks, nor on the change that updates the bdm object logic | 21:18 |
| bauzas | I'm thinking of a possible change | 21:18 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: the UC is just to catch it, | 21:18 |
| mriedem | bauzas: did you want to maybe push that so we could recheck it a few times? | 21:18 |
| mriedem | dansmith: yeah | 21:18 |
| dansmith | but the other one could be actually fixing it right? | 21:18 |
| mriedem | could be | 21:18 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I'll work on it tomorrow EU morning | 21:18 |
| mriedem | i had a question on that one, but we cna do that in -nova | 21:18 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: and that patch isn't obviously wrong or worse, | 21:18 |
| dansmith | so why not just clean it up and merge and get the real data on it? | 21:19 |
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| dansmith | we could always revert it if it doesn't fix it | 21:19 |
| alaski | +1 | 21:19 |
| mriedem | well, does BDM(device_name='foo').save() work the same for changed fields? | 21:19 |
| bauzas | fair point | 21:19 |
| dansmith | you could squash mine into yours | 21:19 |
| mriedem | that was the only question on i had on that one | 21:19 |
| mriedem | but a unit test would tell me too | 21:19 |
| dansmith | I don't know what you mean | 21:19 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | i can squash and start writing tests, cleaning it up | 21:19 |
| dansmith | cool | 21:20 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241742/ | 21:20 |
| mriedem | ^ is what we're talking about | 21:20 |
| dansmith | don't forget my CAB or I'll kill you in your sleep | 21:20 |
| mriedem | CAB? | 21:20 |
| dansmith | Co-Authored-By | 21:20 |
| mriedem | oh on the squash | 21:20 |
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| cburgess_ | lol | 21:20 |
| dansmith | :P | 21:20 |
| Vek | heh :) | 21:20 |
| mriedem | Solely-Authored-By: Matt Riedemann <notinanywaydansmith> | 21:20 |
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| dansmith | hehe | 21:20 |
| mriedem | moving on | 21:21 |
| mriedem | 3rd party ci status | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | intel CI has seemed to be busted | 21:21 |
| dansmith | intel pci is in the toilet | 21:21 |
| mriedem | http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 21:21 |
| mriedem | i was going to say toilet but restrainted | 21:21 |
| mriedem | *restrained | 21:21 |
| dansmith | I pinged heyongli earlier, but no response | 21:21 |
| mikal | Do we have someone chasing that? | 21:21 |
| mriedem | probably not | 21:21 |
| dansmith | restrainted is cool too | 21:21 |
| n0ano | again? sigh, I'll find out what happened | 21:21 |
| mikal | I'd be willing to poke some people over that | 21:21 |
| mriedem | i'm willing to poke people w/o a reasson | 21:21 |
| mriedem | ML can do that too | 21:21 |
| tonyb | mikal: at the summit a coup[le of people said they were "on it" | 21:21 |
| dansmith | honestly, I think we need to have a bigger talk | 21:21 |
| dansmith | it's broken so often that it's just noise at this point | 21:22 |
| dansmith | I feel like we need to have some sort of change of management on it | 21:22 |
| mikal | dansmith: yeah, I'm thinking its time for some sort of ops team on the hook for that thing | 21:22 |
| mriedem | it's at least non-voting, but yeah | 21:22 |
| dansmith | or get rid of it, but that leaves a lot of things uncovered | 21:22 |
| dansmith | mikal: something | 21:22 |
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| mriedem | we'll need it for this sr-iov attach/detach spec | 21:22 |
| mikal | Ok, let me take that to some intel contacts and see what happens | 21:22 |
| mikal | I will report back in the next nova meeting in this timeslot | 21:22 |
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| mriedem | i usually just use 3rd party ci as a means to not approve things that are covered by those jobs | 21:23 |
| mriedem | which is a form of motivation i guess | 21:23 |
| bauzas | well, we need PCI CI for more than just a BP :p | 21:23 |
| mriedem | yeah i know | 21:23 |
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| bauzas | freezing PCI changes ? heh | 21:23 |
| mriedem | well, like i'm holding up some virtuozzo bp changes b/c of missing CI | 21:24 |
| mriedem | anyway | 21:24 |
| mriedem | there was one critical bug on the meeting agenda pointing to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235303/ but that's merged as of 10/21 | 21:24 |
| mriedem | so i don't know what's up with that | 21:24 |
| mikal | n0ano: I'll cc you on my email | 21:24 |
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| n0ano | mikal, tnx, I'll poke internally also | 21:25 |
| mriedem | any other critical bugs anyone knows about? | 21:25 |
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| tonyb | mriedem: I think that needs/wants a liberty backport | 21:25 |
| tonyb | mriedem: which is in gerrit | 21:25 |
| mriedem | ah i see it | 21:25 |
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| mriedem | i can hit that one after the meeting | 21:25 |
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| mriedem | thanks tonyb | 21:25 |
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| mriedem | #topic bug reminders | 21:26 |
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| mriedem | Triaging: Top 3 subteams with most "New" bugs: volumes: 10, libvirt: 9, vmware: 5 | 21:26 |
| mriedem | those numbers might have changed by now | 21:26 |
| mriedem | i was looking at volume related bugs a couple of weeks ago and we could really use some focus htere | 21:26 |
| mriedem | hard part is many of them are elaborate vendor setups that we don't have CI testing for in nova | 21:26 |
| mriedem | at least IMO | 21:27 |
| tonyb | mriedem: the cinder/nova session the cinder guys said they'd help triage baugs tagged with volumes | 21:27 |
| mriedem | anyway, i usually ping cinder people on some nova volume bugs | 21:27 |
| mriedem | lots of multipath bugs | 21:27 |
| mriedem | from what i remmeber | 21:27 |
| mriedem | could be fixed with os-brick in liberty and the bugs were just pre-liberty | 21:27 |
| dansmith | not new news | 21:27 |
| mriedem | anyway, moving on | 21:27 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:27 |
| mriedem | stable branches - juno eol is happening soonish | 21:28 |
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| mriedem | apevec was asking about that the other day, so we're going to be scrubbing stable/juno changes for the final cut | 21:28 |
| mriedem | i think that anything tha'ts wedged by requirements hell is just going to miss out | 21:28 |
| mriedem | which puts tonyb out of a job | 21:28 |
| tonyb | mriedem: noooooo | 21:28 |
| * tonyb writes an email | 21:28 | |
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| dansmith | yeeesssssss | 21:29 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:29 |
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| mriedem | there is nothing on the agenda | 21:29 |
| dansmith | I was promised a 10 minute meeting | 21:29 |
| dansmith | so let's move on | 21:29 |
| mriedem | i guess one i was thinking of was markuz's config option centralization spec - i'd like to see people +1/+2 that | 21:29 |
| Vek | haha :) | 21:29 |
| mriedem | dude, 30 min standard | 21:29 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227948/ | 21:29 |
| dansmith | I'll try to hit that config one tomorrow | 21:29 |
| mriedem | if people cared about that, please ack ^ | 21:29 |
| mriedem | anything else on stuck reviews? | 21:30 |
| tonyb | Ahh it's been updated post summit ... | 21:30 |
| mikal | Oh, I need to re-review then | 21:30 |
| mriedem | tonyb: yeah, plus i feel like i just keep trolling it | 21:30 |
| mriedem | i don't care too much either way, but it impacts all dev so i feel like many people should be acking it | 21:30 |
| mriedem | moving on | 21:31 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:31 |
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| mriedem | mdorman: you're up https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/cells-v1-interface-events | 21:31 |
| mriedem | how to move forward on cells v1 attach/detach vifs | 21:31 |
| mriedem | there is code up for review to add that support for cells v1, | 21:31 |
| mriedem | but as it's a neutron only API thing, and we don't have a cells v1 + neutron CI job, that's one issue | 21:32 |
| mriedem | another is it's adding more stuff to cells v1 | 21:32 |
| mriedem | which distracts from cells v2 | 21:32 |
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| dansmith | yeah, and I'm -1 on both fronts | 21:32 |
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| alaski | testing is definitely a big concern | 21:32 |
| dansmith | because I spent the last 24 hours trying to convince someone not to make me support cellsv1 | 21:32 |
| mriedem | i have a change up for testing cells v1 + neutron | 21:32 |
| mdorman | hey sorry | 21:33 |
| dansmith | mriedem: how close is it? | 21:33 |
| mriedem | dansmith: i haven't looked inawhile | 21:33 |
| mriedem | since before summit | 21:33 |
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| dansmith | if it's anything like nova-net was in terms of effort to get it passing, I'm not interested | 21:33 |
| mdorman | internet connection issues | 21:33 |
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| dansmith | if it already works, then maybe | 21:33 |
| mriedem | i think cells v1 + neutron ci is valuable regardless | 21:33 |
| dansmith | but I'm also not sure I think it's useful to spend CI resources on it | 21:33 |
| mriedem | i don't think it'll be the same effort | 21:33 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:33 |
| dansmith | see, here's the thing: | 21:33 |
| dansmith | I think that people running cells today either have massively modified neutron (rax) or they're using nova-net (cern) | 21:33 |
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| mdorman | we fit in to that first category | 21:34 |
| mriedem | well, at some point we want to test cells v2 + neutron right? | 21:34 |
| mdorman | cv1 + neutron modified | 21:34 |
| mgagne | we don't run a modified neutron nor nova-net. | 21:34 |
| dansmith | mdorman: right | 21:34 |
| mriedem | mgagne: are you nova-net or both? | 21:34 |
| mgagne | mriedem: stock neutron only | 21:34 |
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| mriedem | ok | 21:35 |
| dansmith | mgagne: which driver? | 21:35 |
| mgagne | dansmith: ml2+linuxbridge | 21:35 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:35 |
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| alaski | mriedem: we did say that nova-net should support cells v2 | 21:35 |
| mriedem | the job i had been testing was ovs since that's devstack default still (at least i think it is) | 21:35 |
| alaski | but the norm definitely seems to be neutron now | 21:35 |
| alaski | for current cells users | 21:35 |
| mriedem | alaski: neutron is the way of the future | 21:35 |
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| mriedem | there is no fighting it | 21:35 |
| mdorman | so are we saying g that attach/detch patch won’t be merged w/o a test, and there is not support for putting effort into adding the test? | 21:36 |
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| dansmith | I don't think we should merge it without test coverage | 21:36 |
| mriedem | i'm in favor of getting cells + neutron ci going | 21:36 |
| mriedem | yeah, i think cells attach/detach depends on ci testing | 21:36 |
| alaski | mriedem: I am as well as that represents the biggest class of users we know about | 21:36 |
| mriedem | keeping in mind that cells + neutron ci is not a priority | 21:37 |
| mriedem | but if it only takes some work to get that going, it'd be worth it imo | 21:37 |
| dansmith | alaski: and drop the n-net job or run both? | 21:37 |
| mriedem | run both | 21:37 |
| alaski | dansmith: preferably both | 21:37 |
| mriedem | or cells + neutron on experimental queue to start | 21:37 |
| mriedem | that's the usual progression | 21:37 |
| dansmith | I just don't think it's worth that, given we're about to lose a bunch of CI capacity | 21:37 |
| alaski | but if resources are constrained I would go with neutron | 21:37 |
| mriedem | experimental is on demand | 21:37 |
| dansmith | yeah, to start for sure | 21:38 |
| mriedem | but prone to bit rot because it is | 21:38 |
| dansmith | my other concern is our ability to debug cells issues on neutron once it's gating us | 21:38 |
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| mriedem | dude, i'm pretty sure that's easy peasy | 21:38 |
| mriedem | what could go wrong | 21:38 |
| bauzas | shhhhht | 21:38 |
| mriedem | so to summarize, | 21:39 |
| mriedem | i think we are -1 on mdorman's attach bp w/o cells + neutron CI | 21:39 |
| cburgess_ | Well we want to run cells V2 when its out and we will be using neutron | 21:39 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:39 |
| mriedem | so we should put some effort into a ci job for cells + neutron | 21:39 |
| mriedem | which i'm half assedly started | 21:39 |
| mriedem | let's hire jogo back | 21:39 |
| mdorman | so is there any realistic path to getting it +2’d? is it worth putting more effort into it? | 21:39 |
| dansmith | mdorman: get the job working | 21:40 |
| mriedem | mdorman: yeah, we need to put effort into the ci job | 21:40 |
| mriedem | i would probably not work on the code change until that point | 21:40 |
| mdorman | that one you propose mriedem ? | 21:40 |
| mdorman | *proposed | 21:40 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:40 |
| mriedem | let me find it | 21:40 |
| mgagne | does the job exist already? or would it need to be created? | 21:40 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235485/ | 21:40 |
| mriedem | no | 21:40 |
| mriedem | it's just a localrc really | 21:40 |
| mdorman | i think you linked it on that review | 21:40 |
| dansmith | have we seen any runs of it yet? | 21:41 |
| mgagne | ok, found it | 21:41 |
| tonyb | that's a lot of red | 21:41 |
| mriedem | http://logs.openstack.org/85/235485/4/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full/9fec667/console.html.gz#_2015-10-27_22_22_00_087 | 21:41 |
| mriedem | 39 failures | 21:41 |
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| mriedem | however, | 21:41 |
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| mriedem | as i've seen with the lxc job testing, those are usually cumulative failures b/c you're hitting some test that isn't supported in that config | 21:41 |
| mriedem | once you start pruning the list, things settle down | 21:41 |
| dansmith | is the job you're adding even in there? I'm confused | 21:42 |
| mriedem | no | 21:42 |
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| mriedem | it's a d-g change | 21:42 |
| dansmith | oh, I see you're just hacking | 21:42 |
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| mriedem | to stub out the project config | 21:42 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:42 |
| mriedem | i think ssh is causing issues | 21:42 |
| dansmith | so what's the requirement? do we let them skip tests or make them all have to work? | 21:42 |
| dansmith | ssh meaning "networking at all" right? :) | 21:43 |
| mriedem | we start by skipping tests for things that we know don't work | 21:43 |
| mriedem | which we do today in other ci jobs | 21:43 |
| mriedem | we do a lot of that in the nova-net + cells job | 21:43 |
| alaski | I will want to know the difference between the current skip list and a neutron skip list | 21:43 |
| dansmith | oh, this is not already skipping the ones we skip for normal cells? | 21:43 |
| mriedem | alaski: yeah | 21:43 |
| mriedem | it is | 21:43 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:43 |
| mriedem | but since it's neutron, it flips a switch in tempest to do otther things | 21:43 |
| mriedem | that i haven't sifted through yet | 21:43 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:43 |
| mriedem | so, it just takes some digging | 21:44 |
| mriedem | i got the lxc job down to 3 failures | 21:44 |
| tonyb | mriedem: do you have time for said digging? | 21:44 |
| dansmith | so, really, if we're going to do this, | 21:44 |
| mriedem | tonyb: maybe | 21:44 |
| dansmith | why aren't we just letting people submit any features to cellsv1? | 21:44 |
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| mgagne | dansmith: feature? you mean "feature parity" ? | 21:44 |
| mriedem | imo the attach/detach change is pretty small | 21:45 |
| mdorman | tbh, that’s what we’d like to be doing. many larger deployers are carrying a bunch of local patches for v1 stuff. many of them are common among many of us, so we'd like to get them in upstream. | 21:45 |
| dansmith | mgagne: yeah, we specifically said we weren't going to do this, even for parity | 21:45 |
| dansmith | mdorman: we know | 21:45 |
| alaski | dansmith: I think this is mostly about getting in changes that operators are sharing amongst themselves | 21:45 |
| dansmith | alaski: I understand that | 21:45 |
| mriedem | i'm of the opinion that if ops are running with these things already and we can get them in with little impact and tested, then i don't think there is a big problem with it | 21:45 |
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| mdorman | kk | 21:45 |
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| dansmith | so are we opening up to anything that is parity and bugs >1 operator? | 21:46 |
| mriedem | and <huge PITA | 21:46 |
| mriedem | + IC | 21:46 |
| mriedem | *CI | 21:46 |
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| alaski | I think we evaluate based on code impact, similar to stable branches | 21:46 |
| mriedem | right | 21:46 |
| mdorman | that seems fair to me | 21:46 |
| mriedem | i went through the ops cells v1 patches etherpad at one point, there are some things in there we just wouldn't do | 21:46 |
| mriedem | for v1 | 21:46 |
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| mgagne | so to take an actual example, we won't see aggregate/flavor update support in cells v1 | 21:47 |
| mriedem | anyway, let's see if we can get the neutron + cells thing to a sane level, and go from there | 21:47 |
| dansmith | okay, well, I'm completely -1 on this plan, but I'm clearly in the minority | 21:47 |
| mriedem | if we don't get the job going it's kind of a moot point | 21:47 |
| alaski | yep | 21:48 |
| mriedem | anything else on this? | 21:48 |
| mriedem | any other open discussion? | 21:48 |
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| mdorman | i'm good. thanks for the discussion and direction, this is helpful | 21:48 |
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| mriedem | cool - i'd like a lot more comms between ops and nova really | 21:49 |
| mriedem | this is part of that | 21:49 |
| mriedem | more so than nova + vendors | 21:49 |
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| mriedem | if nothing else, let's end early | 21:49 |
| bauzas | \o/ | 21:49 |
| Vek | +1 | 21:49 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 5 21:49:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-11-05-21.00.html | 21:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-11-05-21.00.txt | 21:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-11-05-21.00.log.html | 21:49 |
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