Thursday, 2015-11-12

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masahitoekcs: hi00:00
thinrichsTime for the Congress meeting.00:00
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thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 12 00:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.00:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.00:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting'00:00
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thinrichsDid the U.S. people remember the time change?00:01
thinrichsWho is here?00:01
ekcsI'm here.00:01
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raminenihi /o00:01
pballandhi00:01
masahitoI'm here.00:01
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thinrichsWe have a collection of odds and ends for the agenda this week.00:02
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thinrichsAnyone have anything in particular to discuss?00:03
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thinrichs#topic Tokyo summit00:03
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thinrichsSorry I missed the meeting last week.00:03
thinrichsForgot about the time change.00:03
thinrichsI did go ahead and write up a recap of what happened at the Summit and sent it to the ML.00:04
thinrichs#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078578.html00:04
thinrichsWe have a couple of follow up items that I'll get to later.00:04
thinrichsOverall, we had a great time and had many productive discussions.00:04
thinrichsWe also had our first Congress summit dinner.  Thanks to masahito for organizing!00:05
thinrichsAny comments/questions about the summit?00:05
thinrichs#topic devstack plugin00:06
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thinrichsThe way we run tempest tests using devstack in the gate will no longer be functional in 1 month (Mitaka-1).00:06
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thinrichsHere's a patch that *should* migrate us over to using the devstack plugin so that our gating continues working properly.00:07
thinrichs#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244224/00:07
thinrichsIf 1-2 people could review it, that would be helpful.00:07
thinrichsWe'll need to wait on the infra team anyway, but it'd be good to make sure it's right so they can just +2 it.00:08
thinrichsI did test it manually, and it seemed to work.00:08
raminenithinrichs: there is one mroe patch for the same  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241969/00:08
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raminenii will abandon it , but dont we need DEVSTACK_GATE_TEMPEST_ALL_PLUGINS for tempest to run plugins00:09
ramineni?00:09
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thinrichsramineni: thanks for the pointer.  I missed that one.00:09
thinrichsI don't know about DEVSTACK_GATE_TEMPEST_ALL_PLUGINS.00:09
thinrichsI think we don't want to set DEVSTACK_GATE_TEMPEST_REGEX.00:10
raminenithinrichs: it was a recent change to enable plugins00:10
raminenithinrichs: do we want to run all tempest tests in our gate/00:10
ramineni?00:10
thinrichsWhen I tried that to disable seemingly irrelevant tests, I got pushback from infra.00:10
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raminenithinrichs: oh00:10
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thinrichsramineni: so we could try to run just our tests, but it makes some sense to run basic tests to ensure we're not breaking other projects.00:11
gmannramineni: thinrichs that will be needed if congress plugin tests you want to run on gate00:11
raminenithinrichs: ok00:11
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thinrichsLet's do this: could people look at both patches and leave comments about what we think the right thing to do is?00:12
thinrichsI find that devstack and devstack gate aren't well-documented and end up reading through the code to figure out what each variable does.00:12
raminenithinrichs: ya :(00:13
thinrichsramineni: I'm happy to abandon mine too.  It would actually be better if I weren't on the critical path for this.00:13
thinrichsSo let's just wait to see what the comments are and pick whichever one gets this done quicker.00:14
raminenithinrichs: sure, that would be good00:14
thinrichsramineni: thanks for working on this by the way—it's getting to be urgent.00:14
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thinrichs#topic distributed architecture00:15
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thinrichsHere are the blueprints we're trying to get covered for the new architecture00:15
thinrichs#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress00:15
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thinrichsI know some of those are completed, but I can't tell which ones.00:17
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thinrichsMost of the API are done or are close.00:17
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thinrichspballand: want to give an update on the DseNode?00:17
pballandstill in the same spot :(  getting it wot work with the fake driver in addition the amqp driver00:18
pballandwill be working with masahito on it00:18
thinrichspballand: any idea about when it'll be ready?00:19
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pballandI shouldn’t have any more distractions the rest of the week, so there’s hope by next meeting00:20
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thinrichspballand: sounds good.  Thanks.00:20
thinrichsmasahito: I see that the rpcify-table blueprint has a commit that 'partially-implements' the blueprint.00:20
masahitoyes.00:21
thinrichsmasahito: what is missing from that change that still needs to be done?00:21
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thinrichsmasahito: in other words, can we mark that blueprint as Implemented?00:21
masahitoThe API model only uses fake 'rpc' method so I use partially-implements.00:21
masahitoIf it's not problem using Implemented, I don't mind use Implemented.00:22
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thinrichsmasahito: understood.  I think we've been ignoring the migration of fake rpc to real rpc.  Whenever we hook everything together, we'll need to make one change that touches everything.00:23
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thinrichsmasahito: so we could mark that blueprint as Implemented, or leave it as is.  Your decision.00:24
masahitothinrichs: got it. change to Implemented.00:24
thinrichsThe only non-cleanup piece I think we're missing is this one...00:24
thinrichs#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/dist-datasources-on-bus00:24
thinrichsI think we can get everything working in unit tests without it, but once we start deploying on multiple processes it may be important.00:26
thinrichsAnyone want to volunteer?00:26
raminenithinrichs: i can take it up00:26
thinrichsramineni: thanks!00:27
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thinrichsramineni: Let us know if the problem and approach is (not) clear.00:27
raminenithinrichs: but might need some help, so will ping on irc for any issue :)00:27
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thinrichsramineni: good plan.00:27
raminenithinrichs: thanks00:27
thinrichsramineni: we're always happy to help.00:27
thinrichsAnything else on the distributed architecture?00:28
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thinrichs#topic python300:29
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thinrichsekcs: how is antlr going?00:29
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ekcsI think the python3 antlr pieces are ready. but real testing can only be done when datalog and other pieces have been patched to python3. working on those now while antlr3 piece under reivew.00:30
ekcshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/242305/00:30
ekcscomments on how the cross-compatibility between python 2 and 3 appreciated.00:31
ekcsit's done differently here than in most other cases because we're using third party code that is not cross-compatible.00:31
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ekcscorrection: comments on how cross compatibility of handled here in this patch appreciated.00:32
thinrichsI took a look and thought it seemed okay but don't know what best practices for this kind of thing are.00:33
thinrichsOne thing to keep in mind is that all of OpenStack is saying that we're not supporting python2 any more.00:33
ekcsi'm in same boat.00:33
thinrichsSo we may not care about being compatible with python2 at all.00:33
ekcshmmm.00:34
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thinrichsThe python2 tests are deprecated right now.00:34
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thinrichsBTW this all is coming from the Python community.00:34
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thinrichsPython2 has been end-of-lifed for years.00:34
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ekcsso how do you see us managing the transition in congress?00:35
thinrichsIt seems they are done supporting it at all, even with security fixes.00:35
ekcslike one day just flip py27 to non-voting and py34 to voting?00:35
thinrichsekcs: get python3 tests working, then turn off py2 tests00:35
thinrichsekcs: yep00:35
ekcsok that makes sense. But still since the migration is done piece-meal, we need to commit python3 ready code that in the mean time still pass py27...00:36
thinrichsI'd say that makes sense.00:36
ekcsbut maybe how that's achieved isn't so important because soon we'll ditch py200:36
thinrichsekcs: probably right00:37
ekcsok00:37
thinrichsOther thoughts on py3?00:37
thinrichs#topic tempest tests00:38
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thinrichsIt turns out that we haven't been running ANY tempest tests in the gate for a while.00:38
thinrichsWe've been checking that our changes don't break devstack, but the tempest tests aren't running.00:38
thinrichsI think it's been since we moved to using the tempest plugin.00:38
thinrichsThis isn't such a big deal since we only had 2 really simple tempest tests functioning.00:39
thinrichsThe weird thing is that when we have devstack installed, the following DOES run the tests...00:39
thinrichs$ run_tempest.sh -N congress00:39
thinrichsBut the way tempest tests are run in the gate, none of our Congress tests actually run....00:40
thinrichs$ run_tempest.sh congress00:40
thinrichsThe difference is that the latter first creates a virtual environment; the former does not (the -N flag).00:40
thinrichsI reached out to Zhenzan, who wrote the tempest plugin earlier this morning but haven't heard back.00:41
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thinrichsIf anyone has some cycles to look at the problem, that'd be great.00:41
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thinrichsIndependently but on the same topic, we should ramp up our tempest tests again to have some good system tests.00:42
raminenithinrichs: do you mean to say , run_tempest.sh congress doesn work locally also?00:42
thinrichsFixing the ones that are flakey, for example.00:42
ramineniand un_tempest.sh -N congress works?00:42
thinrichsramineni: That's what I saw earlier today.00:42
thinrichsWhat does un_tempest.sh do?00:43
raminenithinrichs: sorry, typo run_tempest**00:43
thinrichsramineni: got it.  Then yes that's what I'm saying.00:43
raminenithinrichs: thats strange ..00:44
thinrichsIt's happened before.00:44
raminenithinrichs: oh00:44
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thinrichsThe tests would run but then fail b/c we were assuming the presence of a library that was present in devstack but not installed in the virtualenv.00:45
thinrichsMaybe something similar this time, to do with the fact that we're using a plugin and tempest needs to find our test suite?00:45
raminenithinrichs: ok ,00:45
thinrichsramineni: does this have something to do with that devstack flag for running plugin tests?00:46
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raminenithinrichs: im not sure , i have seen it here https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/blob/master/devstack-vm-gate.sh#L74500:47
raminenithinrichs: recently added00:47
thinrichsI was thinking about DEVSTACK_GATE_TEMPEST_ALL_PLUGINS00:47
raminenithinrichs: but yes, we can give it a try , it says to enable plugins00:47
raminenithinrichs: yes, with plugins  the way we run tox is different00:48
ramineniit should be tox eall-plugin00:48
thinrichsMaybe the thing to do is look at the tox option -eall-plugin target in tempest00:48
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raminenithinrichs: otheriwse it runs tox -eall , which doesnt work for plugins00:49
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raminenihttps://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/blob/master/devstack-vm-gate.sh#L75300:49
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raminenithinrichs: according to code here , ALL_PLUGINS should take care of that00:49
thinrichsramineni: maybe that's the solution then and your devstack patch will be doing the right thing.00:49
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raminenithinrichs: ya , thats what i heard from qa guys , thats the  change required to run plugins00:51
raminenithinrichs: but , ya we can remove the regex and see00:51
raminenito run all tempest tests00:51
thinrichsramineni: Great!  Figuring that stuff out takes a bunch of time.00:51
thinrichs#topic00:52
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thinrichs#topic open discussion00:52
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thinrichsAnyone have anything they want to discuss with the group?00:52
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thinrichsThe Monasca team is putting together a datasource for Monasca.00:54
thinrichs#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241826/00:54
thinrichsIt's great to see them following up on what we discussed at the summit.00:55
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thinrichsSince there's nothing else, we'll end the meeting.00:56
thinrichsThanks all!00:57
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masahitobye00:57
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thinrichs#endmeeting00:57
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oomichi#startmeeting qa09:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 12 09:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'09:00
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oomichiwho's here for today's meeting09:00
andreafo/09:00
dmelladoo/09:00
gmanno/09:00
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oomichi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_November_12th_2015_.280900_UTC.2909:00
oomichi^^^ today agenda09:01
oomichiOk, let's get started09:01
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oomichi#topic Mitaka Sumit: Summarize09:01
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oomichiwe had Tokyo summit and we need to summarize it as conclusion09:01
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dmelladohey oomichi it was me who proposed that as I couldn't attend the mitaka summit and wanted to get to know the main action points ;)09:02
oomichibut to be honest, I saw this agenda item at this time :(09:02
oomichiand I forgot the link of mitaka prio etherpad09:02
oomichidmellado: hey, I am serching this09:02
andreaf#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-priorities09:03
dmelladohttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads#QA09:03
dmellado?09:03
oomichiandreaf: thanks ! :-)09:03
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gmannyea in that we have conclusion and target dates09:03
oomichiAs the etherpad, we have conclusion09:03
oomichigmann: yeah09:03
dmelladooomichi: awesome09:03
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andreafoomichi, dmellado: I guess we could have a message in the ML like other projects did - but I'd say that's something for mtreinish if he wants to :)09:04
oomichithe target date is closed on some items09:04
dmelladoandreaf: sounds fine for me09:04
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oomichiandreaf: yeah, nice idea09:04
oomichiandreaf: mtreinish didn't it yet?09:04
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oomichiI don't see it now09:05
gmannyea, on ML it is not yet09:05
oomichiok09:05
oomichi#action mtreinish will send a mail of tokyo summit conclusion -dev ml09:05
oomichihow about ^^^ ?09:05
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dmellado+109:05
gmannyea09:06
oomichiok, will ask him. maybe he will know it by this log :)09:06
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oomichito be honest, microversion test is a little close09:07
oomichiand we need to get +A on the spec09:07
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oomichibut I will talk about this later09:07
dmelladooomichi: I can lend a hand on that if you're tigh on schedule09:07
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oomichidmellado: thanks :-) ok, let's talk about this later :)09:08
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dmelladosure09:08
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oomichithe mail will be very important for tracking our aciton items09:09
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oomichican we move to the next topic?09:09
dmelladofine for me09:09
gmannyea09:09
oomichithanks09:09
oomichi#topic Specs Reviews09:09
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oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z09:10
oomichisome available specs are updated09:10
oomichigmann: can we talk about microversion testing?09:11
gmannoomichi: yea09:11
oomichigmann: that is the first spec on the list09:11
gmannoomichi: as you mentioned spec is close to merge09:11
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gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169126/1209:11
jordanPhi. (sorry I'm late...)09:11
dmelladohi jordanP ;)09:11
oomichijordanP: hi :-)09:12
gmanni was thinking about updating ref there for base patch09:12
gmannoomichi: what do you think?09:12
gmannor leave as it is09:12
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oomichigmann: that means not spec patch?09:12
oomichigmann: base patch means tempest patch instead09:12
gmannoomichi: in spec, there is comment about having base patch as reference to understand the spec clearly09:13
gmannoomichi: yea Tempest patch as POC09:13
oomichigmann: ah, nice to do that09:13
gmannoomichi: ok will update after meeting09:14
oomichigmann: cool, thanks :-)09:14
gmannso after that it should be fine to merge soon :)09:14
oomichigmann: yeah, we can do that later09:14
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oomichiandreaf: your resource spec is there on the list09:15
oomichiandreaf: do you have comments on that?09:15
andreafoomichi: yes I updated the spec after the session in Tokyo - it would be great to get reviews on it09:15
oomichiandreaf: thanks for doing that, unnecessary spaces at line 102: NIT ;-)09:16
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andreafoomichi: ok I will re-spin it once I get more comments :)09:16
gmannandreaf: yea, ll try to review it tomorrow.09:16
andreafthanks09:16
oomichiandreaf: yeah, will review it soon. that is good for production testing09:16
oomichimaybe we can move the next topic09:17
oomichi#topic Tempest09:17
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oomichidmellado: the first is yours. can you ;-)09:18
dmelladosure ;)09:18
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oomichidmellado: can you introduce it?09:19
dmelladoThere's this script that we've been using in order to get a tempest.conf file09:19
dmelladowho was initialy written by dkranz09:19
dmelladoand I think that it'd be a nice tool to have upstream in order to configure tempest not only against devstack09:19
dmelladobut for any cloud too09:19
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dmelladohttps://github.com/redhat-openstack/tempest/blob/master/tools/config_tempest.py09:19
oomichi#link https://github.com/redhat-openstack/tempest/blob/master/tools/config_tempest.py09:20
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dmelladoI was speaking with jordanP about this and he suggested creating also some functional tests for it09:20
oomichidmellado: what kind of functional tests?09:20
dmelladowhat do you think about the idea?09:20
dmellado(and what would you suggest about the steps to do so)09:20
dmelladooomichi: jordanP suggested something in the lines of comparing the tempest.conf file generated by devstack with one created by this tool09:21
dmelladobut I'm all open to suggestions09:21
oomichidmellado: ah, I see.09:21
oomichidmellado: but what is the main difference between devstack and this scirpt?09:22
andreafdmellado: does this tool create test resources, or it discovers them or both?09:22
jordanPor run "verify_tempest_config.py" on that file09:22
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andreafoh, sorry09:22
gmannsomewhere did we talk about generating the conf using tempest CLI ? m do not remember exactly09:22
dmelladowell, basically this script can be used to create a tempest.conf file aganinst any cloud09:22
dmelladoand not only devstack09:22
dmelladoit can also create the resources, if needed09:22
gmannandreaf: both, like it create flavor etc if there is no09:23
gmann#link https://github.com/redhat-openstack/tempest/blob/rebased-upstream/tools/config_tempest.py#L52009:23
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oomichidmellado: that means the script gets extensions' list via REST API and generates the conf?09:23
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gmannandreaf: do you remember to have CLI to generate conf like that ?09:23
dmelladooomichi: exactly09:23
oomichidmellado: based on the available extensions/features09:23
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dmelladoI'm reviewing it myself but it'll be a nice additions09:24
gmannmay be we can use there09:24
ylobankovdmellado: Rally can generate tempest.conf as well09:24
oomichidmellado: we tried to do that before in tempest, but the idea was denied by sdague and mtreinish09:24
boris-42oomichi: that was bad=(09:24
dmelladolike the cleanup script and so on09:24
dmelladomaybe we can integrate them all with the cli...09:24
boris-42oomichi: we have spec for that09:24
oomichibecause if the detecting feature contains a bug, most tests will be skipped09:24
dmelladoas gmann said09:24
dmelladooomichi: why?09:25
dmelladojust read09:25
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oomichibasically, we need to understand what tests will run against the clouds09:25
andreafdmellado, gmann, oomichi, boris-42: I'm not against having the script, but I would not use in the gate the discovery part09:25
dmelladoandreaf: my usecase wouldn't be in the gate09:25
andreafdiscovery is a bad idea, it's better to configure what we expect to have09:25
dmelladobut as a tool for tempest09:25
dmelladoit can also accept a set of options to override09:26
oomichidmellado: if the script misunderstands there is not available extensions on the cloud, the corresponding tests are skipped09:26
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jordanPa first step would be to add this script in Tempest repo, add some tests around it. No use it directly for the gate.09:26
gmannyea on gate discovery much more risky09:26
andreafbecause if you disable something by mistake, or if discovery is broken, you will stop testing things and not even realise09:26
oomichiandreaf: exactly09:26
gmannandreaf: exactly09:26
oomichigmann: conflict :)09:27
dmelladothen I'll create some tests and add the script as a "feature" for using it09:27
dmelladoif it sounds ok for all of you guys ;)09:27
gmannif during cloud upgrade some extensions got broken then tempest would be able to catch those09:27
andreafhowever the part that generates the resources or the accounts file could be used, and perhaps replace devstack implementation of it09:27
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gmannwould -> would not09:28
dmelladoandreaf: actually I was thinking about getting rid of that09:28
oomichidmellado: basically, I can understand this feature because OpenStack has a lot of APIs and it is difficult to set up Tempest by hands09:28
dmelladoand just rely on accounts.yaml script09:28
jordanPguys, for now it's just a tool that can be useful to some, we have a folder called tools in tempest09:28
dmelladojordanP: that was my intended path09:29
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oomichiit is better to discuss it on the ml for getting opinions before having it on tempest09:29
andreafjordanP: sure, but it can be useful for people if it works, and to keep it working it's best if we can exercise it09:29
oomichibecause pre-PTL and PTL are against it09:29
jordanPandreaf, exactly. That's why I asked to add tests09:30
jordanPmaybe a non voting job, or some unit tests (I'd rather have functional tests than units)09:30
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oomichior how about proposing the spec?09:30
jordanPbut let's agree on the idea first09:30
dmelladooomichi: andreaf how about having it added to the tools folders with some tests after removing the create part09:30
jordanPa spec for something that is already here, I am not sure09:31
jordanPdmellado, let's raise the issue on the ML09:31
dmelladoI'll send an email09:31
gmannjordanP: it was there. but good to first get agreement on ML before spec09:31
oomichidmellado: thanks:)09:31
gmanndmellado: Thanks.09:31
oomichi#action dmellado will send a mail about auto-genenating conf script to -dev ml.09:32
dmelladonp, let's see what the feedback is and let's agree on its usecase09:32
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oomichidmellado: thanks again09:32
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dmelladonp oomichi09:32
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94473/09:32
gmannprevious spec for the same09:32
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dmelladoshould we revisit the spec?09:33
oomichigmann: nice point09:33
oomichidmellado: it is nice to propose the other spec09:33
gmanndmellado: i would suggest after ML conclusion09:33
dmellado+1 on that09:33
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oomichiI'd like to move the next item09:34
oomichithe next item is mine09:34
oomichithat is Service clients09:34
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oomichi#link  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-tempest-service-clients09:34
oomichiI created an etherpad ^^^ for managing this09:35
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oomichiand we need to create a lot of patches for that before M-209:35
oomichiplease write your names as Assignees if interested in ;)09:36
oomichimy mistake was I decided the deadline is M-2 anyways09:36
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jordanPoomichi, so bold of you  ! :)09:36
dmelladolol09:36
gmannheh09:37
jordanPI can help starting in 10 days, I have a lot to do right know09:37
jordanPI still think it's doable09:37
oomichijordanP: mtreinish denied to change the deadline09:37
jordanPoomichi, I don't remember that !09:37
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jordanP:D09:37
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oomichiso we need to implemet them before !09:37
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oomichijordanP: thanks ;-)09:37
andreafoomichi: I'm trying to get volunteers to help on that - if we had a stable set of clients by M2 in tempest-lib it would be great09:38
dmelladooomichi: would your script still work for those? xD09:38
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oomichiandreaf: thanks ! :)09:38
oomichidmellado: yes, that should work09:38
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jordanPhere, I committed on tempest/services/volume/json/*.py09:38
gmannoomichi: after microversion i can also help09:38
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dmelladothen I can take some of those too09:38
oomichijordanP: did you post the patches?09:39
dmelladooomichi: I'll ping you after the meeting for this09:39
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oomichidmellado: yeah, lets talk about it later09:39
oomichigmann: thank you also09:40
jordanPoomichi, no. I just added my  name in the etherpad09:40
jordanPnot 'git commit'09:40
oomichijordanP: thanks much!09:40
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oomichiok, I can get many people09:40
oomichilets move to the next item09:41
oomichigmann: can you introduce API microversions testing?09:41
gmannoomichi:  sure09:41
oomichigmann: thanks09:41
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gmannas discussed early, spec is almost in09:41
gmannand in parallel there are base patches out09:42
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/nova-microversions-tests,n,z09:42
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gmanncurrently m implementing microversion for Nova v2.2 microversion to tests the base framework09:42
gmannmight be able to do by tomorrow09:42
oomichigmann: cool, does it work now?09:42
gmannearly feedback is nice if all can review those base patches09:43
oomichigmann: ah, I see.09:43
gmannoomichi: not yet completed, still doing version of schema for v2.209:43
oomichigmann: nice progress09:43
gmannoomichi: as mentioned in spec, once framework is tested well then we can think to move that in lib09:44
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gmanndeadline is M-1 :)09:44
oomichigmann: yeah, too close09:44
oomichigmann: but it is available since current progress09:44
oomichigmann: it is enough to implement v2.2 test only before M109:44
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gmannoomichi: thinks so. lets see09:45
gmannoomichi: yea so that we can tests the framework on gate09:45
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oomichigmann: cool, I see09:45
oomichigmann: I will review them later09:45
gmannoomichi: Thanks09:45
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* oomichi having AIs after meeting09:46
oomichi#action oomichi will review microversion tests patches09:46
gmannthats all on microversion testing09:46
oomichigmann: thanks09:46
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oomichilets move to the next topic09:47
oomichiwe can skip devstack and grenade, maybe as every meeting09:47
oomichi#topic OpenStack Health09:47
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oomichi#link      https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-health-tracking09:47
oomichican someone talk about this?09:48
andreafI don't have a very consistent update to provide here, is anyone around who can talk about this else I'll do my best09:48
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dmelladois glauco around? I don't think so09:48
andreafdmellado: no probably not09:49
oomichiandreaf: could you ?09:49
andreafdmellado: well o-h is not integrated in the OpenStack css09:49
dmelladoandreaf: wasn't that a WIP?09:49
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andreafdmellado: yes probably, but at least now the page headers and footers are maintained when browsing through o-h09:50
andreafwork is still in progress to make performance improvements for the test view09:50
oomichi#link http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/09:51
jordanPhttp://health.openstack.org/ doesn't look right :)09:51
oomichithat seems nice now09:51
oomichireally easy to know current situation :)09:51
andreafand there is one feature that would be a great usability improvement, which is data grouping by arbitrary run metadata key09:52
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andreafbut that requires some normalisation of the rest API first09:52
andreafthe routes of the rest API have been growing rather organically, so we need a bit of rework there09:53
oomichiandreaf: what kind of normalisation?09:53
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oomichiandreaf: do we need to implement microversion on o-h also? ;)09:53
jordanP:p09:54
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andreafoomichi: I think the main issue is the we now have /projects , where project is a specific metadata key, and we need to support /<metadata-key> instead09:54
oomichiandreaf: that seems nice direction09:55
andreafoomichi: I know mtreinish does not want the API to be tightly coupled to the UI workflow (page 1 to 4), but tbh I don't have all the right details here to provide a proper update on this point09:55
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oomichiandreaf: yeah, it is so fast step to do that on o-h09:56
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oomichiandreaf: thanks for providing09:57
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oomichiok, lets move to the next topic09:57
oomichi#topic Critical Reviews09:57
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oomichido we have any critical patches for reviewing09:57
oomichi?09:57
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* oomichi masayukig introduce o-h for japanese users on http://thinkit.co.jp/story/2015/11/10/659409:58
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gmanncool09:58
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gmanncool pic there :)09:59
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oomichiI had https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168762/ but andreaf already -1 :p09:59
andreafoomichi: also periodic-qa and periodic-stable are part of the collected data now10:00
oomichioh, time comes10:00
oomichithanks all10:00
gmannThanks all10:00
oomichi#endmeeting10:00
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andreafoomichi: I have this series: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:tempest-library,n,z it's for the credential provider migration10:00
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dmelladothanks oomichi ;)10:01
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jordanPthanks !10:01
oomichiandreaf: ok, will see them10:01
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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting Nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 12 14:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
raildo\o14:00
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johnthetubaguylets see who survived daylight savings / users a calendar14:00
andrearosahello14:00
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johnthetubaguy#topic Release Status14:01
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johnthetubaguyso this is mostly a duplicate from the last meeting, but...14:01
gibio/14:01
johnthetubaguy#info November 19: Spec Review Day14:01
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johnthetubaguy#info December 3rd is also non-priority spec and blueprints freeze14:01
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johnthetubaguy#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Mitaka_Release_Schedule14:02
johnthetubaguyhere is an advert from the API subteam14:02
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johnthetubaguy#info Virtual doc sprint December 8th and 9th14:02
johnthetubaguy#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079220.html14:02
alex_xujohnthetubaguy: thanks14:02
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johnthetubaguyalex_xu: no problem, its super important we fix those things14:03
johnthetubaguyso a quick check on blueprints14:03
alex_xujohnthetubaguy: yea14:03
bauzasalex_xu: so I need more understanding, is the docsprint planned to improve http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html ?14:03
johnthetubaguy#info 77 blueprints approved for mitaka now, still have 104 specs in review, got 60 ish completed last release14:03
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johnthetubaguybauzas: several things, thats included14:04
alex_xubauzas: yes14:04
johnthetubaguybauzas: I want to see the API concept guide make progress too14:04
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: okay, I guess the etherpad is the source of knowledge gotcha14:04
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johnthetubaguythe swagger thing, I feel, is possible out of scope there, but anyways14:04
johnthetubaguyyeah, that etherpad is good14:04
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bauzasack14:05
johnthetubaguycool, so just wanted to talk about reno14:05
johnthetubaguybauzas: hows that going14:05
bauzasso the reno changes are aligned for review14:05
bauzashttp://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html14:05
mriedemthere will be a separate job for the reno docs right?14:06
bauzasthere are 2 changes per branch (master, liberty)14:06
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bauzasmriedem: yup, a project-config one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242027/14:06
bauzasso, like I said, reno is intended for liberty and master14:06
johnthetubaguyits generating the release notes right?14:07
bauzasyup14:07
bauzashttps://review.openstack.org/242007 is the foundational change14:07
johnthetubaguycools, just context for folks there14:07
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bauzaswhich deploys reno and setups a way to add relnotes14:07
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bauzasthat one is sharing its changeid with the liberty backport14:07
johnthetubaguyso we have the odd blueprint complete, so we might need to add something in there after the fact, but we can deal with that later14:08
bauzasand then, I provided a relnote example for both branches14:08
bauzaslike https://review.openstack.org/24200714:08
claudiubo/14:08
mriedemso we have to move the liberty release notes in tree?14:08
bauzasmriedem: zactly14:08
mriedemharumph14:08
mriedemok14:08
bauzashttp://docs.openstack.org/developer/reno/usage.html#creating-new-release-notes14:08
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bauzasthat's what I like with the new process actually14:08
mriedemoh i suppose b/c with stable/liberty we do our own point releases now too14:09
bauzasbecause it means our UpgradeImpact tag becomes less pedantic14:09
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johnthetubaguyyeah14:09
bauzasmriedem: right, it's decoupled14:09
johnthetubaguyso that brings us to the release CPL14:09
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: like I said in the previous meeting, I can help on that14:10
johnthetubaguybauzas: that help would be very welcome14:10
bauzasbut I welcome any help too :)14:10
bauzasheh14:10
johnthetubaguymriedem: you are doing good stuff with stable and python-novaclient already, I think it makes sense you keep doing that14:11
sdagueso I'm assuming we're going to reno every API change14:11
mriedemalright14:11
bauzassdague: that makes sense to me14:11
mriedemi had to think awhile to remember what CPL is14:11
johnthetubaguyah, yeah, CPL = cross project liaison14:11
bauzassdague: there are some predefined sections for every relnote, but we could certainly ask for an API one http://docs.openstack.org/developer/reno/usage.html#editing-a-release-note14:12
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johnthetubaguyso mriedem, bauzas lets work out how to make sure the right things happen with release stuff14:12
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bauzasagreed14:12
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mriedemack14:12
johnthetubaguyso python-novaclient, its probably time we cut a release soon?14:12
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johnthetubaguywe were going to try and release a bit like oslo, i.e. more frequently14:13
mriedemsdague said mordred had changes to make14:13
sdagueone thing about that, I blocked the v1.1 remove14:13
johnthetubaguysdague: because too many folks are using it?14:13
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sdaguebecause mordred was poking at something else that was going to require a major bump14:13
sdagueno, I think we should remove it14:13
mordredI didn't do it14:13
mordredwait14:13
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johnthetubaguyoh, I see just delaying for the major bump14:13
mriedemwe're just lining up tihngs that cause a 3.0 version14:14
johnthetubaguyyeah, makes sense14:14
mordredoh - yeah. I'd love to get in on that14:14
johnthetubaguysounds like a plan14:14
sdagueyeh, we should probably figure out a good way to stack up the stuff we want in that would require a major bump14:14
johnthetubaguywhat the chances of us lining that all up by Tuesday?14:14
johnthetubaguyzero ish?14:14
mordredI can get my changes up by then14:14
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: we can cut a release without that one change14:14
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sdagueI just think we should actually be a little more coordinated on the v3 requiring changes14:15
johnthetubaguysdague: thats a not a bad idea, get a minor out, while we line up the other stuff14:15
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mriedemwe need to get better about signaling to the core team when we're going to do a release though, so we don't approve things that we don't want in14:15
* johnthetubaguy wonders about a feature branch for v3, maybe that over kill?14:15
johnthetubaguymriedem: very true14:15
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: honestly, I was thinking a similar thing14:15
mriedemsummit week was a bit chaotic with novaclient reverts and releases14:15
sdagueyeh, it was14:15
johnthetubaguywe need to fix that test coverage at some point too14:16
johnthetubaguybut lets focus on the release thing14:16
mordredso - question about how much we can break in v314:16
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mordredoh, wait. nm.14:16
mordredsdague and I already talked about that - I'm still waking up14:16
mriedemv3 as in keystone v3?14:16
johnthetubaguyheh, no worries14:16
sdaguemriedem: as in novaclient v314:17
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johnthetubaguyyeah, that14:17
mriedemok14:17
sdagueI think it was mostly the NOVA_ env variables for config14:17
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sdaguebeing no longer supported14:17
mordredyah. I'd love to make them die because it makes things eaiser on the occ/ksa front14:17
johnthetubaguyoh right, good points14:17
mordredbut - if we need to keep them, I can keep them14:17
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sdagueso, anyway, we should huddle up about the non backwards compat changes we want this cycle14:17
johnthetubaguyyeah, leaving that with sdague and mriedem to report back to the ML with a plan?14:18
bauzasoh, if there is a v3 window, maybe that's a good opportunity for seeing what we want to stop supporting - like some contrib shell scripts that I'm questioning :)14:18
johnthetubaguyin the mean time we do a minor version release anyways?14:18
bauzasso, +1 for a feature branch :)14:18
sdagueyes, lets do a minor version release14:18
mriedem#action mriedem to request a novaclient minor version release for mitaka14:19
sdagueI think the project id optional thing is not yet released yet, and we'll need that for project id optional in nova14:19
johnthetubaguymriedem: do we want to send an ML note about about a proposed release, just so we know whats happening, thinking thats nice and light weight?14:19
mriedemsure14:19
johnthetubaguylets try that for size14:19
johnthetubaguycools14:19
johnthetubaguyso I guess one thing I forgot to mention at the summit14:20
johnthetubaguywe are still planning to do "milestone" releases for Mitaka14:20
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johnthetubaguywe get to choose when now, but I am just going to aim for the usual tuesday releases, split to thursday if we must14:20
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bauzaswfm14:21
johnthetubaguythe question is do we want to move to ironic's way of doing actual semver for the milestones, rather than a beta release stuff14:21
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mriedemso 13.1.0?14:22
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johnthetubaguyyeah, vs 13.0.0.a114:22
bauzas13.0.0a1 rather14:22
johnthetubaguywell I guess 13.0.0 first14:22
bauzasah snap14:22
johnthetubaguybauzas: yeah, thats it14:22
mriedemi guess i assumed 13.1.0 would be first stable/mitaka release14:22
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mriedembut that's just b/c that's how it's always been14:22
bauzas13.1 being the stable point release AFAIU14:22
sdaguehonestly, let's just stick with the old way until there is a reason to change14:22
bauzassdague: +114:22
johnthetubaguysdague: so thats my take, I just wanted to make sure we didn't do that by acciedent14:23
bauzasin particular given the many release changes for this cycle :)14:23
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sdagueyeh, if it ain't broke...14:23
edleafethe difference being one signifies beta, and the other stable?14:23
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johnthetubaguywell we allow people to deploy of master14:23
johnthetubaguyso the milestones mean more than you think14:23
bauzasright14:23
bauzasit's a pinned release14:23
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johnthetubaguybut honestly, we should move on really14:24
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johnthetubaguy#topic Regular Reminders14:24
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johnthetubaguyso we have reviews highlighted by subteams14:24
johnthetubaguythere are some changes in there now14:24
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johnthetubaguy#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking14:24
johnthetubaguypriority specs are listed in here:14:25
johnthetubaguy#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking14:25
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johnthetubaguy#topic Bugs14:25
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sdagueso, why did we do this as 2 etherpads this time?14:25
sdaguethat caused some confusion yesterday14:25
dansmithyeah14:26
johnthetubaguyso the old one didn't change, its all code14:26
mriedemthe first etherpad is the same as last release14:26
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mriedemthe latter is to categorize specs for review14:26
mriedemthere is some overlap14:26
sdagueI though the old one had specs in it as well14:26
johnthetubaguywe could just mush them together if its easier, it just seemed like it work worth separating14:26
mriedemshould just be code14:26
dansmithwe put specs on the old one early on didn't we?14:26
johnthetubaguyhmm, maybe we did14:26
dansmithanyway, it's just confusing to me,14:27
dansmithbecause they look similar,14:27
dansmithand you can't tell a thing is a spec by the review url14:27
dansmithso I dunno, seems like one place would be fine14:27
johnthetubaguyso I could cut and past the specs into the code one?14:27
johnthetubaguysimpler is better14:27
raildojohnthetubaguy: can anyone suggest a feature for this nova priorities etherpad?14:27
mriedemi'd actually prefer separataion14:28
johnthetubaguyraildo: anyone can create a subteam14:28
mriedemthere are a lot of specs14:28
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johnthetubaguyso the good news is the spec one dies on December 3rd14:28
dansmithis the goal of the second one to list every spec?14:28
mriedemkill! kill!14:28
raildojohnthetubaguy: nice14:28
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johnthetubaguyso I think its worth trying the separation, if its a flop lets remember not to do that next time?14:29
sdagueok14:29
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johnthetubaguyso turns out we are in the bugs topic, oops14:29
johnthetubaguymarkus_z: whats up?14:29
bauzasundo :)14:29
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markus_zI started the bug shaming thing on the ML14:30
markus_z#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078713.html14:30
markus_zWould be cool to get feedback14:30
markus_z#info Top 3 subteams with most "New" bugs: untagged: 25, libvirt: 14, volumes: 1114:30
johnthetubaguyI think there was a call to add low-hanging-fruit into the tracking14:30
johnthetubaguybut I like the tracking14:30
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johnthetubaguywe know where we are at14:31
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markus_zIt was a call out to tag more bugs with low-hanging-fruit14:31
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johnthetubaguyyeah, just curious about the count14:31
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markus_zI will add it in the next mail14:31
bauzasin general those unassigned are taking in the next following minutes14:31
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bauzasI'm not that worried14:31
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johnthetubaguyalthough clearly one million stats and it looks silly14:31
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johnthetubaguymriedem: how is stable doing, is it time to release any of the branches?14:32
bauzasthe thing is, we should rather see how many assigned low-hanging-fruits are actually in progress and possibly unassign14:32
mriedemstable/juno freeze is today14:32
mriedem2014.2.4 is planned for next thursday14:32
johnthetubaguy#info Thursday Nov 12 stable/juno freeze14:32
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/juno,n,z14:32
johnthetubaguy#info Thursday Nov 19 release 2014.2.414:32
sdaguewill be happy to eol juno14:33
mriedemthere are a couple of changes14:33
markus_zbauzas: that's the normal step when looking for stale bugs, right?14:33
mriedemi think i'm going to recheck babysit the one that's approved and let the rest die on the vine14:33
bauzasmarkus_z: most newcomers don't do that14:33
johnthetubaguyso the freeze, remind me, does that mean no more merges after today, or no more proposals?14:33
bauzasmarkus_z: but let's bring the convo out of here14:33
mriedemit also appears that gate-grenade-dsvm-ironic-sideways is borked on stable/juno14:34
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mriedemblocking lots of things14:34
mriedemtrying to get ironic people to look but haven't heard much14:34
mriedemjroll: ^14:34
sdaguemriedem: honestly, we should just delete that job14:34
mriedemdoes it actually try an upgrade?14:34
sdaguethat was about ensuring there was a baremetal -> ironic transition on juno14:34
mriedemoh14:35
dansmithsideways means bm to ironic yes?14:35
johnthetubaguyoh...14:35
sdaguebut if people are waiting until now to do that juno transition14:35
sdaguewell, they are kindof f'ed14:35
mriedemheh, yeah, i'll drop it14:35
sdagueas we're about to eol it all14:35
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johnthetubaguycool, so I guess we need to unblock that, and get the stuff merged, right?14:36
johnthetubaguywell, fixed up and merged14:36
mriedemyeah, i'll take those todos14:36
johnthetubaguysweet, thank you14:36
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sdagueout of curiosity, does ironic still support juno at all themselves?14:36
johnthetubaguyaction mriedem to give stable/juno much love14:36
johnthetubaguyoops14:36
johnthetubaguy#action mriedem to give stable/juno much love14:36
devananda++ to dropping the juno sideways job14:36
johnthetubaguyOK...14:36
mriedemsdague: not really https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ironic+branch:stable/juno,n,z14:36
johnthetubaguy#topic Open discussion14:37
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sdagueso maybe ironic should actually have eoled their branch :)14:37
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johnthetubaguyso... I missed at bit earleir14:37
johnthetubaguyspecless blueprints14:37
alexschmI'd like to ask for reviews on the following bugfix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215102/14:37
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johnthetubaguy#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking14:38
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johnthetubaguythere are loads of blueprints in there14:38
johnthetubaguyI have added comments on them about what I think we should do14:38
alexschmIt's a libvirt driver change and got a +2 from danpb already two months ago14:38
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johnthetubaguyif there are any objections, do let me know ASAP, and I will get them merged / dropped off the specless list as required14:38
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johnthetubaguyI don't remember any controversial ones, that I didn't just reject to be reviewed as a spec14:39
johnthetubaguyOk, any more for any more?14:39
PaulMurrayjohnthetubaguy, Quick note on the mid cycle14:39
johnthetubaguyPaulMurray: fire away14:39
PaulMurrayI will send out an email in the next couple of days with details about block bookings14:39
PaulMurrayand web site for all details14:40
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johnthetubaguyPaulMurray: is it a cheap-ish hotel?14:40
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PaulMurrayits cheeper than listed14:40
bauzashow many people registered so far ?14:40
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johnthetubaguyPaulMurray: well thats an important bit, true14:40
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:grenade_multinode,n,z - grenade multinode changes to make that voting, and drop partial-ncpu from master14:40
PaulMurraydon't know - mikal set up the eventbrite ticket14:40
bauzasack14:40
PaulMurrayour site will be seperate from eventbrite14:41
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johnthetubaguyI have not heard from mikal on numbers either, worth asking him14:41
PaulMurrayunfortunately - but will try to reconcile to avoid mistakes14:41
PaulMurraywill do14:41
johnthetubaguyPaulMurray: I am sure mikal can update that all for you14:41
sdagueyeh, need that list from mikal as well, because I think a few of us were thinking about going to the dr who experience on friday post event (given that it's close)14:41
sdagueand seemed better to just coord with people that signed up, vs. whole world14:42
bauzasdoctor who experience ? woah14:42
PaulMurrayyou know - your not the only one to mention that14:42
sdagueyeh, it came up at summit14:42
PaulMurrayshoud we organise a trip? :)14:42
sdaguePaulMurray: yes14:42
johnthetubaguyah, thats work looking at14:42
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bauzasyeah, most of us are holding to book our flights until the details are sorted out14:42
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johnthetubaguysdague: the grenade job, do we do the scheme changes with the code running yet?14:43
PaulMurraybauzas, for the dr who experience or for the mid cycle?14:43
markus_zI still have to go to the company internal approval process, that's why I didn't yet enrolled for the midcycle14:43
dansmithPaulMurray: for your details14:43
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markus_zWould be cool to get the information too14:43
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: can you rephrase the question?14:43
bauzasPaulMurray: for the midcycle14:43
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: no, we don't14:43
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dansmithjohnthetubaguy: I'd like to have a job to do that, but it's a bit wasteful14:43
johnthetubaguysdague: sorry, sure, I am thinking about online schema migrations, and how we check they are online, thats probably not the right approach14:43
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mriedemdansmith: experimental queue :)14:44
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: perhaps an experimental job to do that and we can run it periodically14:44
johnthetubaguydansmith: maybe we could do some DB functional tests against while running it, or something14:44
johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, thats a good point14:44
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: we can't really14:44
sdaguedansmith: we can't with a conductor and an old schema?14:44
johnthetubaguydansmith: run stable/liberty tests or something14:44
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: I think an grenade job in experimental that just applies then and never upgrades anything is the way to go14:44
dansmithsdague: opposite14:45
jrollsdague: mriedem: do you still need something from me re: juno or did y'all figure it out14:45
mriedemjroll: ignore14:45
mriedemjroll: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244688/14:45
sdaguedansmith: ok, let's ponder offline14:45
dansmithyep14:45
jrollmriedem: cool, thanks14:45
johnthetubaguydansmith: oh, gotcha, thats a good point, could we not just do the schema migrations first on all genade jobs14:45
johnthetubaguysdague: yeah, I got distracted14:45
johnthetubaguyso...14:45
sdagueanyway, on the grenade multinode change it's mostly infra / test changes to get us going, however it would be good for people to review14:46
johnthetubaguyI think we have wondered off into the weeds, so we are probably done now?14:46
mriedemmaybe one last thing14:46
sdaguethe big last piece is a test to ensure we actually can run computes on all the nodes14:46
sdaguewhich is in that stack14:46
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/244330/ - an experimental queue job for cells v1 + neutron14:46
sdagueto mitigate against the worker not being able to communicate with the controller post upgrade14:46
sdagueand us passing anyway14:46
sdaguecells v1 + neutron seems like an epic distraction from moving forward with cells v214:47
sdagueI'm really afraid it means we lose another cycle or two getting to a model we want14:48
mriedemi think that's a bit premature14:48
mriedemit's not like this is a voting job that everyone sees daily now14:48
sdaguemaybe, I know I've spent at least 4 hours in the last week having to care about cells because of this effort14:49
johnthetubaguyso its tempting if we could turn off the nova-network job14:49
mriedemsdague: that wasn't b/c of this14:49
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mriedemjohnthetubaguy: no we aren't doing that14:49
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: we have to implement event callbacks for cells at a minimum for being able to gate on this14:49
sdaguemriedem: no, it was because of cells v1 in general14:49
mriedemcells v1 doesn't have external events support14:49
johnthetubaguydansmith: true14:49
mriedemdansmith: which there is a change up for14:49
mriedembut still14:49
johnthetubaguyyeah14:49
mriedemwe want a cells v1 job14:49
mriedemwe have nova-net, this isn't replacing that14:49
dansmithif this is never going further than an experimental job then fine, whatever14:50
mriedembdm stuff blew up last week and is still being worked14:50
johnthetubaguythats the alternative, keep it experimental14:50
dansmithmriedem: can you link me that change?14:50
mriedemsec14:50
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/184155/14:50
johnthetubaguyhaving two cells v1 jobs all the time seems like the wrong call, somehow14:50
sdagueright, but the point is that every time we take our eye of the cells v2 stuff to duct tape back cells v1 which keeps slowing us down with blow ups like the bdm thing, we push cells v2 out further14:50
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: it wouldn't be all the time14:51
mriedemnova-net is gating and voting14:51
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mriedemneutron is experimental queue (on demand)14:51
johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, I think its fine in experimental14:51
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johnthetubaguyso I am working hard to get more effort behind cells v2, internally14:51
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johnthetubaguyin the hope to hurry that along more14:52
johnthetubaguyits critical we get there ASAP14:52
dansmithI was going to work on cellsv2 more this cycle14:52
dansmithbut I've spent a lot of time on cellsv1 bugs already, and plan to go review this cellsv1 event patch (which is wrong)14:52
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sdagueright, that's the issue, this keeps being messaged as "it's not a big deal" and then it's death by a thousand paper cuts14:53
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dansmithright14:53
dansmithalso,14:53
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johnthetubaguyso should we deprecate it now? to make it clear upstream will not maintain that job next release14:53
dansmithmriedem's single cell job will show that this event patch works14:53
dansmithbut it doesn't for multiple cells properly14:53
johnthetubaguyits up to third party CI if we want it?14:53
sdagueI got dragged into cells stuff because I couldn't land devstack patches until it got reasonably passing again14:54
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sdaguepersonally, I think the important thing is to make it clear that the focus is moving forward. A lot of things are broken by design in cells v1 (like the locked mechanism)14:55
mriedemi wouldn't be on board with deprecating a cells job (the one we have voting today) until v2 is ready14:55
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sdagueand cellsv1 will get no new features14:55
alaskiso I was originally of the opinion that landing some of the code that operators are holding would be a good thing, but I do agree that this is taking up valuable time from v214:55
sdaguewe have to be firm on the no new features front14:56
sdagueotherwise, we're never going to get to v214:56
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johnthetubaguyso I am really starting to lean that way14:56
johnthetubaguythe options are:14:56
dansmithseveral of us have spent serious time on the exisiting bdm problem with v1 in the last week and a half14:56
alaskiso, only regressions then?  like the bdm failures14:56
johnthetubaguy1) drop cells v1 job, and be clear its dead14:57
johnthetubaguy2) add a few missing bits from cells v114:57
mriedemalaski: the bdm thing wasn't actually a regression, it was just a new test that exposed the problem14:57
alaskiI don't think we should drop the job.  I think we should decide do we fix failures or skip them14:57
johnthetubaguy3) feature freeze v1 hard, but keep on top of regressions14:57
bauzasthe bdm failure originally came from something which was skipped and then enabled14:57
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dansmithI think #314:57
bauzaswithout having properly been tested with cells14:57
sdaguedefinitely #314:57
johnthetubaguyright14:57
bauzas#3 +114:58
alaskimriedem: okay, wasn't quite aware of that14:58
dansmithregressions only, not even fixing things that are known broken14:58
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sdagueand realize that because new tests are getting added, and cells is massively under tested, fixing in #3 might mean skipping a test14:58
bauzasso the bdm stuff was even not a regression14:58
johnthetubaguyI just want a way to message its expense with regressions only, that means feature freeze to make that possible14:58
sdagueyeh, like dansmith said, only fixing actual regressions14:58
sdaguenot new bugs that were exposed14:58
bauzas+114:58
sdaguethat were always there14:58
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mriedemwe have 1 min14:59
johnthetubaguydid we approve any cells features already?14:59
mriedemno14:59
mriedemthey are all -214:59
johnthetubaguyOK, so they stay that way is the concenus14:59
alaskiworks for me14:59
johnthetubaguyI don't feel we have a choice, so I agree with that14:59
johnthetubaguyOK, so thanks all14:59
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johnthetubaguy#endmeeting15:00
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johnthetubaguyarg, 4 seconds over, careles15:00
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gordc#startmeeting ceilometer15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 12 15:01:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'15:01
gordci got to figure out what happens when i rename this ^15:01
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zqfangood evening :)15:02
gordc... hmmm. i probably should've checked who wasn't at the OPNFV conference or holidays15:03
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gordci'm going to give this a few mins15:03
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llu-laptopo/15:04
ityaptinHi!15:05
llu-laptopin trainings, might be slow in response15:05
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cdento/15:05
pradko/15:05
cdentI say o/, but really I completely forgot15:05
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gordcshakes head15:05
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gordcwe have a 'smaller' group because of conference and pto15:06
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gordclet's start and have quick meeting15:06
gordc#topic summit roundup15:06
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gordci summarised most of the items we came out of conference with15:07
gordchttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078461.html15:07
gordcthanks for all the input15:07
gordcyou can sign up for stuff here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-telemetry-todos15:07
gordcmost of the items have owners... everything else i'll just move to roadmap15:07
gordc#action gordc clean up roadmap15:08
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gordcany other items regarding summit?15:08
gordcnone? cool.15:08
gordc#topic marketing 101: rebranding15:09
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gordcfor those interested, this patch landedhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/240809/15:09
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gordc#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240809/15:09
gordcso basically the aodh/ceilometer/gnocchi collective is called telemetry now15:10
pradknice15:10
cdentmeet the new boss? same as?15:10
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gordcnothing really changes... just that when people say ceilometer, you'll probably want to ask whether they mean ceiloemter or the collective telemetry project15:10
gordcsomething we probably should've been asking anyways.15:11
pradkis the channel name change etc in order?15:11
llu-laptopgordc: seems https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry not exsiting?15:11
gordci'll send an email regarding everything15:11
gordci need to do some admin work15:11
pradkmailing list name15:11
gordcpradk: yes, i need to do that15:11
pradkor that remains the same? mailing list?15:11
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gordcre: irc channel. that will be today if i get help from infra15:11
pradkcool15:12
gordcllu-laptop: i'll adjust taht as well.15:12
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gordcllu-laptop: we probably won't be able to redirect ceilometer to telemetry like we did for metering to ceilometer15:12
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gordcbut i'll move stuff accordingly and set up links15:12
gordc#action redirect irc channel15:13
gordc#action setup telemetry wiki15:13
gordcregarding mailing list tag15:13
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pradk[Telemetry][ceilometer/gnocchi/aodh] ?15:14
gordci've been adding [telemetry] just because... but i think we should start adding it if the scope of topic creeps beyond just a single project.15:14
pradkmakes sense15:14
gordcwe should probably just have [ceilometer] or [gnocchi] or [aodh] if it's just the one.15:14
gordcany other items we should look at regarding new team name?15:15
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llu-laptophttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ceilometer should change or not?15:15
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gordcllu-laptop: yeah, that one we can probably redirect to Meetings/Telemetry15:16
jd__gordc: so next time that meeting should be telemetry :p15:16
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gordcjd__: yep... i just didn't put telemetry because i didn't know where the hell the log would go to15:16
jd__gordc: in a new blackhole15:17
llu-laptopI'm also wondering how this would affect all the documentations, admin manual/config reference, and http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ceilometer/15:17
gordcjd__:  seems like if you startmeeting it'll just get dumped in http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/15:17
gordci'll use telemetry next time.15:17
gordcllu-laptop: the dev docs have always been project specific... so i don't really see anything changing there.15:18
gordci don't think we actually reference ceilometer outside dev docs.15:18
gordcthe admin guide says telemetry already15:18
gordci think a lot of it is already set up because of the failed Project names change from a while back.15:19
gordcwe just need to adopt the project name as our 'code name' now...15:20
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jd__what does that mean?15:20
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gordci think ceilometer was originally the 'codename' back when they tried to create project names.15:21
jd__I think this all disappeared with big tent15:21
jd__there's only projects and teams now15:21
gordcbut project names are dead so yeah... basically the project name stuff hid a lot of the ceiloemeter/aodh branding anyways so we should have less stuff to do from public facing pov15:21
gordcjd__: right15:22
jd__I don't think we need to do anything more15:22
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jd__we are the telemetry team, we produce 3 projects15:22
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jd__and we love each others15:22
jd__isn't that enough?15:22
* jd__ hugs everyone15:22
gordcjd__: yep. well i just need to create the 'telemetry' version of dev docs15:22
gordcs/docs/wiki/15:22
gordcwe still only have 'ceilometer' wiki15:23
gordcjd__: was your comment that we should only have one wiki 'telemetry' and ceilometer/aodh/gnocchi all are subsections of it?15:23
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jd__gordc: sounds like a good idea but I don't remember saying that15:24
jd__though since it's a good idea that might be me15:24
jd__:->15:25
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* gordc has short term memory15:25
gordclet's do that then.15:25
gordcany other items we think we need to address during changeover?15:26
jd__I think we're good15:27
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gordc#topic client release schedule15:27
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gordcwe keep saying release often but then i forget...15:27
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gordcso thoughts on me just blindly releasing client/lib every 2 weeks (as long as there was a change)15:28
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cdent+115:28
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jd__wfm15:29
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gordcaight, well i'm just going to release every 2 weeks then and see if it's actually feasible based on release process15:29
cdent(in fact I think it would be awesome if we did that for the servers too but that's a different topic)15:29
jd__as long as stick to semver :]15:29
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jd__cdent: you mean like Gnocchi does?15:29
gordcif this blows up, i share blame with all15:29
cdentfaster than gnocchi!15:29
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jd__cdent: awesome!15:29
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cdentand release to pypi!15:29
gordccdent: we can release aodh whenever we want as well15:30
jd__cdent: that we do15:30
gordcdo we want that say every month?15:30
cdentI guess ceilometer is really starting to feel very legacy15:30
* jd__ nods15:30
jd__cdent: Nova is feeling legacy15:30
* jd__ laughs and drinks to that15:30
gordcstop trying to be the cool kids15:30
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jd__yes boss15:31
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gordc:)15:31
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gordcso frequent (monthly) aodh releases as well?15:31
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gordcerr.. ok, i'll just wait for big features for releases15:32
gordcwe all good?15:32
cdentit appears so15:33
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gordc#topic open discussion15:33
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jd__I plan to send in a few minutes a mail to tell people to stop opening bugs for (trivial) fixes they send just after15:34
jd__like "typo in toto.rst" "here's the patch"15:34
cdentAm I correct that people do that to keep the stats pretty?15:34
gordcrage away.15:34
jd__cdent: I don't know15:34
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gordccdent: free tickets!15:35
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jd__I think some projects have also pushed bureaucracy to that level15:35
llu-laptopyes, I believe they have pressure from upper management to have bug/patch #15:35
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gordcbut yeah, i'm cool if you mark those items invalid15:36
pradkllu-laptop, mgmt cares about what goes upstream? ;)15:36
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llu-laptopmaybe not CxO, but middle management and their direct manager(1st line) do cares15:37
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llu-laptophear several stories about these situations from those poor guys, different companies15:37
jd__http://paste.openstack.org/show/0T8t1eTyAeT9GSyTaCXq/ that's my draft if you want to have a look before I send15:38
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jd__llu-laptop: we'll tell them to send management to us, we'll take care :p15:38
gordcllu-laptop: switch companies15:38
jd__gordc++15:38
gordcjd__: you sending it to [all] or [telemetry]15:39
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jd__*kff* *koff* we hire *koff* *koff*15:39
jd__gordc: [telemetry]15:39
pradkif we make that draft more generic, it could be a "popcorn thread"15:39
llu-laptopjd__: yeah, if we send out the message clearly and loud, it would help those guys to confront their managers too15:39
* gordc wants to see how much rage jd__ has15:39
jd__gordc: [all] does not exist anymore15:39
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gordcpradk: my thoughts exactly.15:39
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jd__you trolls15:39
cdentYeah, I think [all] would make for great popcorn15:40
jd__well feel free to redirect to [all]15:40
jd__I won't15:40
jd__maybe I wish you do, but I won't do it15:40
gordcjd__: booo15:40
pradkhehe15:40
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* jd__ . o O (damn this channel is logged)15:41
gordcjd__:  it works for me. very political15:41
jd__gordc: I progress15:41
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jd__this is 3rd version15:41
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* jd__ laughs15:41
gordclol i do that too.15:41
gordcother rage topics?15:42
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jd__I don't think this meeting is long enough15:43
jd__so I'm good15:43
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gordcharsh bro.15:43
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gordcthanks everyone.15:43
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gordc#endmeeting15:43
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daneyon_#startmeeting container-networking18:30
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 12 18:30:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is daneyon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:30
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:30
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'container_networking'18:30
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daneyon_Agenda18:30
daneyon_#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda18:30
daneyon_i'll give everyone a minute to look at the agenda18:30
daneyon_#topic roll call18:31
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daneyon_o/18:31
adrian_ottoAdrian Otto18:31
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daneyon_Hey adrian_otto!18:32
adrian_ottomaybe time to wind down the subteam?18:32
daneyon_Looks like it might be just you and I.18:32
daneyon_Might not be a bad idea18:32
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adrian_ottoseems that we are in implementation mode now, so less discussion needed18:32
daneyon_However, it will help the project if we can get more people participating in networking features of Magnum.18:33
daneyon_Let me know what ideas you have.18:33
daneyon_true18:33
adrian_ottoreach out to those who have attended in the past, and let them know when meetings are coming up18:33
daneyon_i'm in the process of breaking up patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224367/1418:33
eghoboo/18:33
eghobosorry late18:33
daneyon_I thought i had the 1st review ready, but i have a merge conflict b/c of recent changes. I should have it tee'd up in a little while.18:34
daneyon_hi eghobo18:34
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daneyon_adrian_otto should we ask community members if they want to continue sub team meeting during the general Magnum meeting?18:35
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adrian_ottosure, we can ask there. I'd also encourage you to follow up with previously active participants individually to get a sense from them18:36
daneyon_adrian_otto: I'll do that.18:36
daneyon_adrian_otto do you want to add the agenda topic to the magnum meeting or should i?18:37
adrian_ottoplease add it18:37
hongbino/18:37
daneyon_will do18:37
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daneyon_Hi hongbin18:37
Tango|2o/  (sorry I'm late, forgot to update my calendar for the DST)18:37
hongbinHey18:38
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daneyon_Well... I was thinking of wrapping up the meeting since it was just adrian_otto and I, but it looks like we have an audience.18:38
daneyon_thanks everyone for joining18:38
daneyon_and sorry for messing up my calendar the last week.18:39
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TangoI was on vacation anyway last week18:39
daneyon_wish we didn't have DST changes :-)18:39
daneyon_Tango welcome back18:39
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daneyon_i'll move quickly18:39
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daneyon_but i'm a slow typer ;-)18:39
daneyon_#topic Review and Discuss Magnum Networking Design Summit18:40
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daneyon_#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-magnum-network18:40
daneyon_In general I was very pleased with the attendance of the networking DS session18:40
daneyon_and I thought we had a lot of good discussion18:41
daneyon_We had a fair bit of discussion related to this patch18:41
daneyon_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241866/18:41
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daneyon_Is Angus Lee in attendance?18:42
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daneyon_Does the group agree that it's a good idea for the flannel driver to continue to support overlay methods?18:43
TangoI missed the discussion because of a conflict with my talk.  But this patch seems like a great idea based on our performance measurement.18:43
eghobodaneyon_: it depends ;)18:43
TangoIt removes one level of overlay encapsulation18:43
daneyon_Tango agreed. I have wanted to add the host-gw mode, but have been to busy with implementing the CNM18:43
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TangoMy only thought is how to present the option to the user18:44
daneyon_However, I would like to keep the existing overlay options for flannel.18:44
daneyon_My vote is for option #218:44
adrian_ottolet's make it work first, and make it faster next.18:44
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TangoRight, we probably want to expose all the options and make it easy to specify them18:45
eghoboadrian_otto: +118:45
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eghobodaneyon_: I still believe we should drop vxlan18:45
adrian_ottostep one is just to have sensible defaults that work18:45
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adrian_ottothen make the options so you can change them18:46
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TangoCurrently it's working with the udp and vxlan options with udp as the default, we want to add the gw option18:46
adrian_ottoand then revisit what the defaults should be based on all available choices18:46
hongbineghobo: not sure if I agree for the dropping of vxlan18:46
hongbineghobo: Possibly, udp is the option that I want to drop if we have to drop one18:46
daneyon_adrian_otto agreed. However, supporting option #2 should be easy. If someone in the community wants to implement #2, you'll get my support. However to adrian_otto's point, we need to get the CNM implemented across all bay types and distros18:46
adrian_ottowhy drop vxlan?18:46
daneyon_and I could definitely use help in that department18:47
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daneyon_Tango agreed. I would like to lave existing options. Again, I'm all for #2.18:47
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eghoboadrian_otto: can anyone explain how it's going to work with Neutron ;)18:47
daneyon_later on we can drop config options based on feedback from magnum users18:47
TangoI would agree too with #218:48
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daneyon_i don't see having the 3 flannel backends burdening the project, devs or users.18:48
Tangoeghobo: it's really independent of neutron18:48
adrian_ottoeghobo: with k8s, I don't think we have full clarity on neutron integration to eliminate the overlay18:48
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daneyon_all, please provide your comments in the review.18:48
eghobodaneyon_: CNM? not sure that Kub folks even have plans for that18:48
daneyon_i would like to move on since we are short on time18:49
adrian_ottobut at a conceptual level we should be able to do the functional equivalent of kuryr for k8s18:49
daneyon_I mean the Magnum CNM.. look at the specs DIR18:49
daneyon_#topic Discuss Docker 1.9 Networking18:49
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daneyon_#link http://www.meetup.com/Docker-Online-Meetup/events/226522306/18:49
daneyon_I just finished attending the ^ event18:49
eghoboTango, adrian_otto: it's exactly my point neutron deal with vxlan and we use it ;)18:49
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daneyon_For the most part, it's the same libnetwork stuff.18:50
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adrian_ottoI did not see or hear anything that was not presented in previous webinars18:50
eghobosomething like hw-gw doesn't care about underlying network18:50
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daneyon_A couple things I noticed is: routing between nets and supports for continuers to attach to multiple nets.18:50
adrian_ottoI did not fully understand the IPAM solution18:50
daneyon_I have not seen these features of libnetwork before18:50
adrian_ottoit sounded hardwired to me18:50
adrian_ottobut he said it was pluggable18:51
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daneyon_I'll need to look at the code b/c I have no idea how libnetwork is passing packets between L3 domains.18:51
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adrian_ottoprobably just using host routing and a container that's in multiple network namespaces18:51
daneyon_adrian_otto agreed. I know libnet recently implemented pluggable ipam.18:52
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eghobodaneyon_: also keep in mind, Kub folks not really in libnetwork support yet18:52
daneyon_In general, I think it's good for everyone to review libnetwork since it has gone though some recent changes.18:52
daneyon_eghobo understood, kube has it's own pluggable model.18:52
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daneyon_eghobo in a way host-gw does care about the underlying network. Ex> all flannel nodes must be on the same L3 domain.18:53
eghobodaneyon_: yes and they have a lot of concern about libnetwork implementation ):18:54
daneyon_any questions about libnetwork 1.9?18:54
eghobodaneyon_: you mean L2, right?18:54
daneyon_moving on then18:54
TangoSo should we move to Docker 1.9 yet?18:54
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adrian_ottowhy not?18:55
daneyon_Tango that's a good question18:55
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daneyon_unless I missed something, libnetwork is still experimental in 1.9.18:55
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daneyon_but it may be worth it, so we can gain experience.18:56
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TangoThere was mention about new volume support in 1.9, so it may be good to catch that as well18:56
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daneyon_however, i know getting magnum prod ready is a priority18:56
daneyon_adiran_otto i'll pose the question as an agenda item for the magnum meeting.18:56
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daneyon_Tango agreed. I think it comes down do we want to be on the cutting edge or stability. adrian_otto will have a big voice in this one.18:57
daneyon_fyi I am breaking up this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224367/1418:58
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daneyon_it included a lot of stuff and was tough on reviewers.18:58
daneyon_You will be seeing several patches from me in the coming days and hopefully CNM for swarm will be implemented.18:58
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daneyon_Whoever added mesos support to magnum, I would love to get your help implementing cnm for mesos :-)18:59
hongbinsure18:59
daneyon_time to wrap up. Feel free to carry over the conversation to the magnum irc channel18:59
daneyon_Thx for attending!!!19:00
daneyon_#endmeeting19:00
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dtroyer_zzstill sleeping it seems…19:02
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stevemar_i'll stick around as long as i don't pass out from coughing :)19:02
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dtroyer_zz#startmeeting openstackclient19:03
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 12 19:03:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer_zz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:03
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dtroyer_zzcourtesy ping: dhellmann, briancurtin, lhcheng, sigmavirus24, dstanek19:04
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lhchengo/19:04
dtroyer_zzNo prepared agenda today, basically summit thoughts, reviews, etc19:04
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dtroyer_zz#topic summit followup19:05
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dtroyer_zzthe main session19:05
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dtroyer_zz#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-osc-session19:05
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dtroyer_zzdidn't have much for notes added to the etherpad19:06
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stevemar_reading it now19:07
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dtroyer_zzand in the meetup we talked a bit about cleaning up deleted tenants, not sure how much of that is an OSc issue19:07
dtroyer_zz#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-osc-meetup19:07
dtroyer_zzalso a lot of talk about help and the other things a couple of people want to rewind two years to change…19:08
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dtroyer_zzanyone have anything to add re the summit?19:09
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MeganRno, I don't19:09
dtroyer_zzaside from coming-home-sick stories ;)19:09
MeganRnope - just exhausted  :)19:10
stevemar_i'll eventually tackle one of these :)19:10
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dtroyer_zzok, moving on19:11
dtroyer_zz#topic Current Reviews19:11
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dtroyer_zzI am just today getting caught up on the queue19:11
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stevemar_we've had a lot of good patches from tangchen lately19:11
rtheiso/19:11
dtroyer_zzyes, I've got a few of those left to look at19:11
stevemar_and other folks from fujitsu19:11
stevemar_lhcheng and i have been getting those patches through19:12
dtroyer_zzone that I wanted to talk about was https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243393/19:12
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dtroyer_zzI don't think we want/need to add a new command for this, 'state' is a server property, or enough like one to treat it as one19:13
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stevemar_i'm down with that19:14
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stevemar_i didn't like the original suggestion "server reset state", felt icky19:14
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stevemar_i was originally thinking `server reset --state <state>`19:14
dtroyer_zzI haven't refreshed on the server fields, there may be more than one or two called 'state'19:14
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stevemar_or `server reset <server> [--state <state>]` where state defaults to `active`19:15
stevemar_so you could do `server reset myserv1`19:15
* dtroyer_zz tries to decide if 'reset' is differernt from 'set' there19:16
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dtroyer_zzother than the default state value19:16
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stevemar_looking at the api, http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html#resetState they are all the same19:18
rtheisservers have power, task and vm states...does that need to be noted?  I only think vm can be changed by user.19:18
lhchengso there's reset_state and reset_network in novaclient19:18
dtroyer_zzif the other states are never exposed to the user, than maybe not?19:18
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dtroyer_zzbut it might be safer to not assume only one 'state' option19:19
stevemar_dtroyer_zz: those are all actions, like lock/pause/resume19:19
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stevemar_i think reset should be it's own highlevel action19:19
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dtroyer_zzwhat is the text to define what it does?19:19
stevemar_i dont follow19:20
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dtroyer_zzwe define what each action does in a generic way in the docs19:20
lhchengsomething like: 'server reset --state', 'server reset --network' ?19:20
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dtroyer_zzwhat can a user expect to happen with a reset command?19:20
dtroyer_zzhere it is changing a state, which doesn't seem different from set to me19:20
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stevemar_well `set` should just be for server properties, like name/description19:21
stevemar_metadata19:21
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dtroyer_zzso reset really becomes more like the API 'action' call19:22
dtroyer_zzwhich needs to die19:22
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dtroyer_zzI'm not quite convinced but heading that direction19:22
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dtroyer_zzI don't want server reset to be drastically different from foobar reset down the road19:23
stevemar_i'm okay with either tbh19:23
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dtroyer_zzif we can think of reset as the lever for pushing a resource around, maybe19:24
dtroyer_zzthere teally isn't an opposite action for that, right?19:25
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stevemar_nope19:25
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dtroyer_zzin this case, it's just a different state19:25
dtroyer_zzand maybe that's another criteria for set/unset vs reset19:25
dtroyer_zzok, I'm getting closer ;)19:25
dtroyer_zzI'll update my comment in the review after letting this bake a little longer19:26
stevemar_my counter to that is that `set` is usually modifying bits you established with `create`19:26
stevemar_can you define state in create/?19:26
dtroyer_zzmaybe for some resources?  enabled/disables is one example19:27
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dtroyer_zzforget that those are just a db entry, conceptually it is a state change to the user19:27
stevemar_true19:27
stevemar_alright, update the patch with comments i guess19:28
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stevemar_you already did!19:28
dtroyer_zzbefore this discussion though ;)19:28
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stevemar_any other patches?19:28
dtroyer_zzI left a question in https://review.openstack.org/24303719:29
dtroyer_zzwondering if that s a usage change?19:29
dtroyer_zzie do we need to doc a new behaviour?19:29
dtroyer_zzanother thing I haven't thought about in a while19:29
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dtroyer_zzmy guess is no, but I'd like to verify before approving19:30
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stevemar_i think now it also works with weird values that have :'s19:31
lhchengoperators may customize openstack to add more state, for example: we added more state for project other than enabled/disabled. So I kinda lean to 'set' now, may be more generic and useful for users.19:31
stevemar_"No volume with a name or ID of '4bdca3de-2bae-411a-b865-8f4039dd522b:::0' exists."19:32
dtroyer_zzstevemar_: so bug fix?19:32
stevemar_i think so19:33
stevemar_the details are in the bug report19:33
stevemar_i assumed it was proper, but my nova knowledge is pretty spotty19:33
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dtroyer_zza little light though.  the block device mapping format is ill-defined, so this does seem like a good defensive move19:34
stevemar_yeah, at the least19:34
dtroyer_zzok, anyone else have a review to talk about?19:34
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* dtroyer_zz crickets19:36
dtroyer_zz#topic open discussion19:36
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dtroyer_zzWhat else is on our collective minds?19:36
stevemar_oh i've got a few19:37
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stevemar_for dtroyer_zz, cause devstack: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237871/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237860/19:37
dtroyer_zzcool, I had see the 'swift post' one19:38
dtroyer_zzthe exercises get little love these days, but should be cleaned up too, I do still use them ;)19:38
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stevemar_then there's jamie's cross-project patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243348/19:39
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dtroyer_zzwe talked about it when he posted it, I'm curious to see the reaction so far…doesn't look to hostile ;)19:40
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stevemar_dtroyer_zz: next 219:41
stevemar_i need you to do a quick review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236021/19:41
stevemar_and i can push a new patch19:41
stevemar_and then bully zaqar into releasing something19:41
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dtroyer_zzadded to list19:42
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stevemar_the last thing i wanted to discuss was dropping py26 support19:42
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stevemar_all the oslo libs are dropping it19:42
stevemar_i think  the clients are ext19:42
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dtroyer_zzI'd prefer to be slow to do that, as long as the jobs are still supported and there are dependencies that work we should keep it19:43
dtroyer_zzI suspect the dependency thing isn't going to last too long though19:44
stevemar_agreed19:44
stevemar_selfishly, i wanted to do that so we can start testing the namespace stuff https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235747/19:44
stevemar_currently something is not py26 friendly, sahara?19:44
stevemar_nope, congress, i wrote it in the patch19:45
dtroyer_zzshould we let plugins drive us like that though?19:45
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dtroyer_zzthat's an example of why OSC proper should be last or close-to-last to drop it19:46
stevemar_well, mriedem just wrote "python-novaclient is preparing for a 3.0 release, we can drop py26 as part of that also."19:46
dtroyer_zzI saw that…and wondered how much we're going to break when that hits ;)19:46
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dtroyer_zzfor non-py26 reasons19:47
stevemar_i suspect we're gonna have to drop py26 soon :(19:47
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stevemar_anyway, that's it from me19:47
MeganR@stevemar: when you say soon, do you think before the next summit?19:48
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stevemar_please comment on the zaqar bits19:48
stevemar_MeganR: i think so, oslo libraries are dropping support now, and novaclient too19:48
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stevemar_it's gonna be quick, i think, there was a mailing list note about this19:48
MeganRinteresting, thank you for the insight19:48
MeganRI am behind on the mailing list communications19:49
dimsMeganR gate jobs will be gone by end of the month19:49
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dtroyer_zzoh, I didn't know that was that soon, thanks dims19:49
MeganR@dims: thank you19:49
dimsdtroyer_zz y passing that along from infra :)19:49
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stevemar_MeganR: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079260.html19:50
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stevemar_thats all from me19:50
stevemar_now i go pass out19:51
MeganRstevemar: thank you, I'll read through that an pass it on to my team19:51
dtroyer_zzthanks stevemar_, go pass out19:51
stevemar_MeganR: np19:51
dtroyer_zzanyone have anything else to talk about?19:51
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dtroyer_zzok, lets end a bit early then19:52
dtroyer_zzthanks everyone!19:52
dtroyer_zz#endmeeting19:53
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MeganRthank you!19:53
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