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| ashutoshn | Hello folks, this is Ashutosh Narayan from India | 00:40 |
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| anteaya | ashutoshn: you are in a meeting channel, try #openstack-dev | 00:41 |
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| ashutoshn | I suppose regular meeting is scheduled today at 00:30 UTC. Joe mentioned | 00:42 |
| anteaya | regular meeting for what? | 00:42 |
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| anteaya | the only meeting I see going on right now is translations | 00:43 |
| ashutoshn | APAC OpenStack docs meeting | 00:43 |
| ashutoshn | Joseph Robinson from Rackspace mentioned about it | 00:44 |
| anteaya | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Documentation_Team_Meeting this one? | 00:44 |
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| anteaya | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-November/007916.html | 00:47 |
| ashutoshn | Yes | 00:48 |
| anteaya | ashutoshn: you are correct, but I don't see that the channel has been booked | 00:48 |
| anteaya | and noone else is here | 00:48 |
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| samueldmq | anteaya: ashutoshn: looks like those meetings happen on Wednesdays ? | 00:49 |
| anteaya | yes I saw that too | 00:49 |
| ashutoshn | Yes.. | 00:49 |
| anteaya | in another post | 00:49 |
| anteaya | ashutoshn: is your meeting on wednesday? | 00:50 |
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| anteaya | ah so it is it is on the schedule on wednesday | 00:50 |
| anteaya | ashutoshn: you are a day early | 00:50 |
| anteaya | samueldmq: thank you | 00:50 |
| ashutoshn | Yes.. It's on Wednesday. Joined by mistake.. Time zones :( | 00:50 |
| samueldmq | anteaya: ashutoshn: np, perhaps try again in ~24 hours ? :) | 00:51 |
| anteaya | ashutoshn: no worries | 00:51 |
| anteaya | ashutoshn: nice to see keen participation | 00:51 |
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| ashutoshn | @samueldmq , @anteaya thank you ! Will join tomorrow morning IST | 00:52 |
| anteaya | have a good day | 00:52 |
| samueldmq | ashutoshn: good luck, have a good day | 00:53 |
| ashutoshn | You too. | 00:53 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 24 08:00:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 08:10:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-11-24-08.00.html | 08:10 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 24 12:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 12:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 12:00 |
| Kevin_Zheng | hi | 12:00 |
| gmann_ | hi | 12:00 |
| oomichi | hi | 12:00 |
| alex_xu | hello everyone | 12:00 |
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| alex_xu | let's start the meeting | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | #topic actions from last meeting | 12:01 |
| edleafe | o/ | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:01 | |
| * oomichi all kids still wake up even now 9pm.. | 12:01 | |
| alex_xu | sdague ask docs team about approval rights by api subteam on our wadl | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: heh | 12:01 |
| jichen | o/ | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | sdague: are you around? | 12:01 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: cool | 12:01 |
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| * johnthetubaguy waves hello | 12:02 | |
| alex_xu | I guess not, let me check with him, when he is up | 12:02 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: this is more or less a holiday week in the US | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: yea, if we get right, that will more easy for us | 12:02 |
| edleafe | he might not be around | 12:02 |
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| alex_xu | edleafe: ah, thanks | 12:02 |
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| alex_xu | edleafe: why you are still working :) | 12:02 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: yes, that will be helpful to fast the things | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | so let's move on | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | #topic content patches up for review | 12:03 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: I keep asking myself that :) | 12:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "content patches up for review (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:03 | |
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| gmann_ | edleafe: heh :) | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | we have a set of patches ready for review | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | so please review them | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | I'm thinking for the service and live-migration I can ask scheduler and live-migration team members help to take a look at. | 12:04 |
| oomichi | nice progress :) | 12:04 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: i will start allocating my time from tomorrow, was busy in tempest things. | 12:04 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: thanks | 12:04 |
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| alex_xu | And there is api-ref patch up https://review.openstack.org/248534 | 12:04 |
| alex_xu | I hope this can be an example of what api-ref expected, so please help me! | 12:04 |
| alex_xu | Basically as my understand the api-ref is focus on the API behavior. The concept doc is focus on the use-case | 12:05 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: I'll try to find time today for that | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: thanks | 12:05 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: how about giving ref of concept guide in API description in api-ref ? | 12:05 |
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| alex_xu | gmann_: yea, maybe on the top of api ref, we needn't link which api to one concept guide | 12:06 |
| alex_xu | s/which/each | 12:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we could, but that does feel like overkill I guess | 12:07 |
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| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: but that gives benefit of reading all from one place | 12:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | would be nice to link to the live-migrate use cases, etc, in the concept guide from the complete ref, I supose | 12:07 |
| gmann_ | yea otherway around also helps | 12:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think it will become clearer once we fill out one in full | 12:08 |
| alex_xu | yea, just keep fill the doc | 12:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know how alex_xu is doing just that, lets give live-migrate looking good, and see how it looks | 12:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | s/I know how/I like how/ | 12:09 |
| gmann_ | ok. | 12:09 |
| alex_xu | yea, please help me make it better, them we have template for api ref | 12:09 |
| alex_xu | so let's move on | 12:10 |
| alex_xu | #topic most needed next content patches | 12:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "most needed next content patches (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:10 | |
| alex_xu | So how about we select topic for people focus on next week? For example we focus on this one https://github.com/openstack/nova/blame/master/api-guide/source/general_info.rst#L115 | 12:10 |
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| jichen | +1 | 12:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | the alternative, I guess, is to all pick different bits, like with the API ref, but either way should work | 12:11 |
| alex_xu | yea, based on people flavor | 12:12 |
| gmann_ | yea | 12:13 |
| alex_xu | I just thought if people can focus one area, then review quick, feedback quick. | 12:13 |
| alex_xu | but anyway either way works | 12:13 |
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| edleafe | we should pick the parts to work on so that we don't duplicate effort | 12:14 |
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| alex_xu | edleafe: put the part you work on in concept doc section at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-v2.1-api-doc | 12:14 |
| alex_xu | most of time we use this way to sync work. | 12:15 |
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| edleafe | alex_xu: great! | 12:15 |
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| * alex_xu just quck add note to etherpad | 12:16 | |
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| jichen | alex_xu: there is a section in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 12:16 |
| * edleafe just signed up for a couple | 12:16 | |
| alex_xu | edleafe: ah, I see you take the host one, thanks :) | 12:16 |
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| alex_xu | jichen: that is just for patch ready for review I think, we shouldn't put too much our work detail to confuse other review | 12:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | should we not be sure to only take the ones we are working on? | 12:17 |
| alex_xu | s/other review/other reviewer/ | 12:17 |
| jichen | alex_xu: ok, | 12:18 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea, one or two, not two much, release timely when you aren't work on anymore | 12:18 |
| alex_xu | s/not two much/not too much/ | 12:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: cool, sounds like we are agreed | 12:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, if you have patches up for seven, thats cool, but yeah | 12:19 |
| alex_xu | yea | 12:19 |
| alex_xu | so let's move on | 12:19 |
| alex_xu | #topic API futures - specs | 12:19 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "API futures - specs (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:19 | |
| alex_xu | any spec people want to bring up, I didn't get time select some | 12:19 |
| oomichi | can I ? | 12:20 |
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| alex_xu | oomichi: sure, please | 12:20 |
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| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249167/ | 12:20 |
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| oomichi | we have api-wg guideline and some specs don't fit to the guideline | 12:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, need to agree the way forward for the pause and cancel live-migrate | 12:20 |
| oomichi | s/and/but/ | 12:21 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: good catch! | 12:21 |
| oomichi | the above patch fixes one | 12:21 |
| gmann_ | oomichi: ahh, yea | 12:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: which spec from API working group is that in? | 12:21 |
| oomichi | I am wondering how about containing the part of the guideline on spec template. | 12:22 |
| oomichi | it is difficult to know the guideline by all people | 12:22 |
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| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: sorry, cannot understand the comment | 12:22 |
| alex_xu | #link https://github.com/openstack/api-wg/blob/master/guidelines/naming.rst | 12:22 |
| alex_xu | I guess this one ^ | 12:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: sorry, I was meaning which API WG doc tells us about the rules we need to follow, is it this one? http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/naming.html | 12:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, yeah, looking at the same thing | 12:23 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: yeah, you are right | 12:23 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: you also | 12:23 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea, that's one, at the bottom of doc | 12:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm, that is messy, its the opposite to most of our current action names, but agreed with the approach | 12:24 |
| oomichi | this kind of violation seems common, I feel | 12:24 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: yea, many action names we changed back to v2 style in v2.1 | 12:24 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: nvm....we have a lot of still in nova. like 'os-liveMigrate' | 12:25 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: yeah, right. nova api is nice practice for getting better api design :) | 12:25 |
| alex_xu | s/still/style/ | 12:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we have any that follow the new style yet? | 12:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | action names that is | 12:25 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: sorry, I didn't get you | 12:26 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: I'm fixing the api on nova-spec reviews, and trigger_crash_dump is one | 12:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am just looking at the current API | 12:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | we don't seem to have any server actions that follow the API WG rules | 12:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | so following the rules is going to make our API even more inconsistent, which seems like a worry | 12:27 |
| jichen | yeah, do a quick look and seems no | 12:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we seem to have camalCase or os-camalCase | 12:27 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: yea, we changed those back in v2.1 (in v3 all of them were corrected :)) | 12:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: well v2.1 == v2.0 yes | 12:28 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: we could accept 'os-liveMigrate' and 'os_live_migrate' to do the same thing. Then change the docs to only mention the latter | 12:28 |
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| gmann_ | yea | 12:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: we could, yes | 12:28 |
| gmann_ | how about changing those in single microversion? but we need to support old also. | 12:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am just worried we are making the API worse by following the new rules, anyways | 12:29 |
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| oomichi | I found three | 12:29 |
| oomichi | disassociate_host disassociate_project and associate_host | 12:29 |
| alex_xu | we said we will correct api as api-wg guide in next release in one microversion | 12:29 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: sometimes you need to move backwards before moving forwards :) | 12:29 |
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| oomichi | on the current APIs | 12:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: agreed, just asking the question | 12:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: I guess they are missing from the complete ref? | 12:30 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: nice point :) | 12:30 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: I feel so | 12:30 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: of course - it's an excellent point that has come up frequently in the api-wg | 12:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, seems like we are going into this eyes open, so I am fine with it | 12:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | need to go back and fix some of this next release, and add some alias bits into action and parameter names | 12:31 |
| alex_xu | yea | 12:32 |
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| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: nice way | 12:32 |
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| alex_xu | oops, I have one want to ask at here again | 12:32 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/245543 | 12:32 |
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| alex_xu | so there is opinion said, we should deprecated the feature before we remove the feature from the API | 12:33 |
| alex_xu | my answer is no, because we have microversion, the old version api always give people chance to upgrade | 12:33 |
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| alex_xu | and asked oomichi, we agreed on the same thing. But want to ask this again in api team. | 12:34 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: +1 | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: we can remove it now in the microversion | 12:34 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: agree | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | the problem, is we can't really ever remove it from the old version, but thats a different issue | 12:34 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea | 12:35 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: yeah, completely same thing we discussed today | 12:35 |
| gmann_ | looks fine with microversion. | 12:35 |
| oomichi | difficult to bump minimum microversion | 12:35 |
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| alex_xu | ok, thanks all, this looks like clear, let me bring this to live-migrate meeting after few hours | 12:36 |
| edleafe | oomichi: why do we need to bump the minimum? | 12:36 |
| gmann_ | oomichi: yup, but that's should be fine as we provide better API in latest version :) | 12:37 |
| oomichi | edleafe: for removing maintenance cost on the community | 12:37 |
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| alex_xu | edleafe: drop some burden? | 12:37 |
| alex_xu | but that won't happen | 12:37 |
| edleafe | oomichi: ah, I see. I don't think it'll ever happen | 12:37 |
| oomichi | edleafe: for us ;) | 12:38 |
| oomichi | edleafe: actually as you said | 12:38 |
| alex_xu | ok, so any more want to bring up? | 12:38 |
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| alex_xu | ok, let's move on | 12:38 |
| alex_xu | #topic API futures - patches for approved specs | 12:38 |
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| alex_xu | I guess this one is no also, as people focus on nova-spec recently | 12:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we have any API concept guide stuff that needs discussing? | 12:39 |
| alex_xu | I guess no | 12:40 |
| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/complete-todo-in-api-concept-doc,n,z | 12:40 |
| oomichi | ^^^ api-concept patches on the gerrit | 12:41 |
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| alex_xu | so let's move on | 12:42 |
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| alex_xu | #topic open | 12:42 |
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| alex_xu | any open? if not, we will have short meeting today | 12:42 |
| zhipeng | do we have time for new specs ? | 12:42 |
| zhipeng | just arrived | 12:42 |
| zhipeng | sorry | 12:43 |
| alex_xu | zhipeng: sure, please go ahead | 12:43 |
| zhipeng | thx alex_xu, we have i think 3 specs in Nova that deals with API in Mitaka | 12:43 |
| alex_xu | zhipeng: do you have link? | 12:44 |
| zhipeng | I'm trying to find them :) | 12:44 |
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| zhipeng | in a minute | 12:44 |
| alex_xu | zhipeng: no problem :) | 12:44 |
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| zhipeng | https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Freview.openstack.org%2F%23%2Fc%2F241066%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNExQRyhLq36c0GptMBn3qQo1oCcHQ | 12:46 |
| zhipeng | ah sorry | 12:46 |
| zhipeng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241066/ | 12:46 |
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| zhipeng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241065/ | 12:46 |
| zhipeng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241063/ | 12:47 |
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| jichen | I also have one ... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219431/ | 12:47 |
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| zhipeng | so basically we want to enable running storage functions in VM or container, that requires Nova supports attach with options that deals with high speed bus type | 12:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | zhipeng: we have rejected blueprints to similar to those suggested in the past, but I will need to go through each one, one by one and understand what is wanted | 12:48 |
| zhipeng | johnthetubaguy no problem | 12:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | zhipeng: the problem I am facing right now, is we have around 100 in review right now | 12:49 |
| alex_xu | yea, need take a look at more. | 12:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | zhipeng: been accepting them since the end of july, and its proving hard work getting through them all | 12:50 |
| zhipeng | yes totally understodd, and I just want to raise awareness :) | 12:50 |
| zhipeng | johnthetubaguy understodd | 12:50 |
| alex_xu | jichen one looks like ok for me | 12:50 |
| alex_xu | but anyway let review them offline | 12:51 |
| alex_xu | if no more question, I will close the meeting early | 12:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 12:51 |
| zhipeng | thanks alex_XU, we already faced BP dropped in L due to lack of review resource | 12:52 |
| zhipeng | +1 | 12:52 |
| alex_xu | thanks all | 12:52 |
| oomichi | alex_xu: nice leading | 12:52 |
| jichen | ok, thanks | 12:52 |
| alex_xu | zhipeng: np | 12:52 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 12:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 12:52:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-11-24-12.00.html | 12:52 |
| gmann_ | Thanks all | 12:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-11-24-12.00.txt | 12:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-11-24-12.00.log.html | 12:52 |
| oomichi | thanks all | 12:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | zhipeng: which was the blueprint in L? is that up for mitaka now? | 12:52 |
| zhipeng | yes the BPs I mentioned earlier | 12:52 |
| zhipeng | they were all raised back in L, but CR just kinda stopped | 12:53 |
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| zhipeng | in a early stage couple of months ago | 12:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | zhipeng: you should restore the old reviews, rather than create new ones | 12:53 |
| zhipeng | so we resubmit the BPs in M now | 12:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | zhipeng: that way are tracking tools can tell you restored them | 12:53 |
| zhipeng | ok I will note this :) and feedback to my team | 12:53 |
| zhipeng | got it | 12:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | zhipeng: its worth trying to get specs up for review well before the design summit, in general, we are more likely to get to them that way. | 12:54 |
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| zhipeng | johnthetubaguy we tried but there was also priority issue, so most of time we were backlogged | 12:56 |
| zhipeng | but we will definitely try to get it done before design summit next time :) | 12:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | zhipeng: yeah, understand, things get in the way very often, just a heads up for next time really | 12:56 |
| zhipeng | johnthetubaguy thx and duly noted :) | 12:56 |
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| Qiming | ? | 13:01 |
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| Qiming | someone endmeeting? | 13:01 |
| haiwei_ | hi | 13:01 |
| haiwei_ | it seems nova api meeting is not held today | 13:02 |
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| Liuqing | alex_xu had end the meeting. | 13:02 |
| Liuqing | \o | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | seems meeting topic is swift now | 13:02 |
| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 24 13:02:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | Liuqing: no, we have, but end early.... | 13:02 |
| Qiming | okay, seems the topic remained unchanged, :) | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | alex_xu, :) | 13:03 |
| elynn | o/ | 13:03 |
| Qiming | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda | 13:03 |
| Qiming | pls review agenda and see if you have topics for discussion | 13:03 |
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| Qiming | #topic Mitaka work items | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka work items (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:04 | |
| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-mitaka-workitems | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | with recent changes, we are enforcing an implicit rule for claiming todo items | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | whenever someone claims a work item, pls make sure an item is recorded in the etherpad so that we can review it on weekly meetings | 13:06 |
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| yanyanhu | yes, a description of it can be found in the first paragraph of TODO.rst | 13:06 |
| Qiming | heat resource type support | 13:06 |
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| elynn | yes, I'm working on it. | 13:06 |
| Qiming | elynn, any help needed? | 13:06 |
| elynn | about profile attrs | 13:07 |
| elynn | I saw your comment, do you mean we should remove them all? | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | okay, I don't see those are useful attributes | 13:07 |
| Qiming | if the profile has a 'name' property, usually we don't need a 'name' attribute for it | 13:08 |
| elynn | yes, it's not useful for now... | 13:08 |
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| elynn | ok, I will remove them all in next patch. | 13:08 |
| Qiming | my suggestion would be keep the attributes set a minimum, add them later when needed | 13:08 |
| Qiming | once things are there, you will never get a chance to remove it | 13:09 |
| Qiming | but if it is missing, we can always fix it, ;) | 13:09 |
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| elynn | got it, seem 'name' & 'metadata' attrs in cluster should be removed too. | 13:09 |
| Qiming | senlinclient tests | 13:09 |
| Qiming | elynn, yep, just follow heat's convention there | 13:10 |
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| elynn | ok | 13:10 |
| Qiming | haiwei has submitted some patches for client test cases | 13:10 |
| haiwei_ | yes, will continue to do it | 13:11 |
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| Qiming | great | 13:11 |
| haiwei_ | the pace is a little slow | 13:11 |
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| Liuqing | i could help improve the unit test of senlinclient | 13:13 |
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| haiwei_ | thanks, Liuqing | 13:13 |
| Liuqing | my pleasure, | 13:14 |
| Liuqing | Qiming seems offline | 13:14 |
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| yanyan | yes, I also dropped | 13:15 |
| yanyan | network issue I think | 13:15 |
| elynn | what's the problem... | 13:15 |
| yanyan | not sure, let me ping him | 13:16 |
| elynn | seems Qiming haven't back | 13:16 |
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| haiwei_ | should we continue? | 13:17 |
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| Qiming_ | sigh | 13:17 |
| elynn | welcome back :) | 13:17 |
| Qiming_ | network very unstable these days | 13:17 |
| Qiming_ | anywhere in China | 13:18 |
| Qiming_ | f* the gvmt | 13:18 |
| zhipeng | haha | 13:18 |
| zhipeng | vpn is not stable any more | 13:18 |
| Qiming_ | nothing is stable | 13:18 |
| Liuqing | i use shadow socket | 13:18 |
| Qiming_ | okay, back to agenda | 13:19 |
| Qiming_ | I am working on fixing the 400/404 status code issues | 13:19 |
| Qiming_ | it turned out to be a huge task | 13:19 |
| Qiming_ | will continue to work on that | 13:19 |
| Qiming_ | health policy | 13:20 |
| Qiming_ | still not sure wether we should do polling by ourselves | 13:20 |
| Qiming_ | talked with xinhui (still at San Francisco this week) | 13:20 |
| elynn | If we don't, what project can? | 13:20 |
| Liuqing | one question, how we define failure of node? | 13:21 |
| Qiming_ | elynn: no answer | 13:21 |
| Qiming_ | Liuqing: good question | 13:21 |
| Qiming_ | even if we provide some polling operations, it will be the last resort | 13:21 |
| Qiming_ | I'd really prefer some external monitoring software/service to do that | 13:22 |
| yanyan | hi, Qiming_, as liuqing's question, maybe we should let the implementer of profile to decide it I think | 13:22 |
| Qiming_ | if we are to do it, we need to have all profile types support a do_check() method | 13:22 |
| Qiming_ | yep, it would be a per-profile-type thing | 13:23 |
| Qiming_ | even with that, it may and may not be useful | 13:23 |
| yanyan | that is true | 13:23 |
| Qiming_ | even nova tells you a server is still there, does it mean anything at all? | 13:23 |
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| Qiming_ | your service inside that server may have already crashed | 13:24 |
| elynn | if we do monitoring, that would be too big for this project... | 13:24 |
| Qiming_ | elynn: that is true | 13:24 |
| yanyan | elynn, we won't touch monitoring itself I think | 13:24 |
| Qiming_ | we are very very cautious on this | 13:25 |
| yanyan | we just try to find a way to help user leverage existing monitoring service to decide the health status of a node | 13:25 |
| Qiming_ | need to discuss with julio on the receiver design | 13:25 |
| Liuqing | but if we implement that , it will be very very cool for OpenStack ecosystem | 13:25 |
| Qiming_ | hopefully we can hook senlin to any external monitoring | 13:25 |
| elynn | I think there's also two levels of health monitor here, vm level and software level. | 13:26 |
| Qiming_ | that is where I have been struggling | 13:26 |
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| Qiming_ | maybe we still need to provide some very basic health management, but for advanced features, you will have to turn to other monitoring services/software | 13:27 |
| yanyan | Qiming_, sure | 13:27 |
| Qiming_ | before we have a clear vision/design | 13:27 |
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| Liuqing | agree | 13:27 |
| Qiming_ | you won't see any code, :) | 13:27 |
| Qiming_ | triggers, emm | 13:28 |
| Qiming_ | do we want to keep them ? | 13:28 |
| Qiming_ | or we delete them completely from senlin? | 13:28 |
| haiwei_ | why not | 13:28 |
| Qiming_ | "why not" means? | 13:29 |
| haiwei_ | I mean why not keep them | 13:29 |
| Qiming_ | senlin trigger-create -t os.aodh.alarm -s some_spec alarm1 | 13:29 |
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| Qiming_ | why are we doing this? | 13:30 |
| yanyan | hmm, IMHO, it is not necessary to keep it in senlin | 13:30 |
| elynn | What's the benefit if we keep them? | 13:30 |
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| Qiming_ | why don't we tell the user to use ceilometer/aodh alarm-create directly? | 13:30 |
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| yanyan | since there are many ways user can define an alarm, e.g. using ceilometer/aodh/monasca API, or using heat | 13:31 |
| yanyan | yea | 13:31 |
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| Liuqing_ | is that the reason for deleting triggers? | 13:31 |
| Qiming_ | the original thought is that we will support complex policies | 13:31 |
| elynn | agree to remove them before anyone aware of them | 13:31 |
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| elynn | or hide the apis for triggers. | 13:32 |
| Qiming_ | by 'complex policies', I mean a policy that contains the trigger source, trigger condition and the handler | 13:32 |
| Liuqing_ | yep, i got it | 13:32 |
| Qiming_ | there is no real meat even if we support such a concept in senlin | 13:32 |
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| Qiming_ | it looks sexy, but it also looks very inflexible | 13:33 |
| Qiming_ | you won't be able to support monitoring solutions other than the one you started with | 13:33 |
| Qiming_ | so ... remove it? | 13:33 |
| yanyan | +1 from me | 13:34 |
| Liuqing_ | +1 | 13:34 |
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| elynn | no doubt +1 | 13:34 |
| haiwei_ | honestly I have no idea, removing is OK i think | 13:34 |
| Qiming_ | okay, I'll copy them to some secret place before removing them | 13:34 |
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| Qiming_ | I spent a lot time trying to figure out the commonalities among the so many different flavors of 'ceilometer alarms' | 13:35 |
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| Qiming_ | then we don't have todos about monasca, :) | 13:35 |
| yanyan | yes | 13:35 |
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| Qiming_ | what a relief! | 13:36 |
| elynn | less is more | 13:36 |
| Qiming_ | update operation for profiles | 13:36 |
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| Qiming_ | elynn: +100 | 13:36 |
| yanyan | ok, this is in good progress I think | 13:36 |
| Qiming_ | we can always add them back when there are justifications | 13:36 |
| Qiming_ | cool | 13:37 |
| yanyan | but we need to add some support to sdk before we start some work in senlin side | 13:37 |
| Qiming_ | but I'm still seeing a long way to go | 13:37 |
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| yanyan | yep | 13:37 |
| Qiming_ | update to flavor is a 'resize' ? | 13:37 |
| yanyan | network and image update support is just a start | 13:37 |
| yanyan | I guess so | 13:37 |
| Qiming_ | sigh... | 13:38 |
| haiwei_ | what is the flavor? | 13:38 |
| yanyan | but that really depends on Nova's support on it | 13:38 |
| haiwei_ | instance flavor? | 13:38 |
| yanyan | need do more investigation on related Nova API | 13:38 |
| yanyan | haiwei_, yes | 13:38 |
| Qiming_ | nova client say one thing, nova server says another, nova api doc says several other things | 13:38 |
| Qiming_ | no idea where we are regarding the 'receiver' design, will catch up with julio later | 13:39 |
| yanyan | umm, this is a thing we need to be careful about... | 13:39 |
| haiwei_ | updating is really difficult | 13:39 |
| yanyan | to ensure the implementation is correct | 13:39 |
| Qiming_ | lock breaker | 13:40 |
| yanyan | haiwei_, yes | 13:40 |
| elynn | since last meeting | 13:40 |
| elynn | haven't got time to update the patches. | 13:40 |
| Qiming_ | need some careful reviews, it is related to the stability of the core engine | 13:41 |
| elynn | I will add a function to set actions to fail if they attach to dead engine. | 13:41 |
| Qiming_ | don't want to push this | 13:41 |
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| Qiming_ | okay | 13:41 |
| yanyan | elynn, I just updated the etherpad to add some in-progress patches about lock breaker | 13:41 |
| elynn | Maybe need a functional tests for them | 13:42 |
| yanyan | elynn, sure | 13:42 |
| Qiming_ | okay, moving on | 13:42 |
| elynn | yanyan: Thanks! | 13:42 |
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| Qiming_ | #topic api and docs | 13:42 |
| yanyan | since the patch about pre_test_hook just got merged, I will refactor the functional test to make it work in one or two days | 13:42 |
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| haiwei_ | cool | 13:43 |
| Qiming_ | I have spent some time going through the so many sources of info about documenting apis, api guidelines | 13:43 |
| Qiming_ | won't be able to go through every detail in this meeting | 13:43 |
| Qiming_ | there are things still under discussion | 13:44 |
| haiwei_ | I have confirmed the 'location header' from the api-wg guy, he said it mean 'response header' | 13:44 |
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| Qiming_ | for example, the format of 'links' to be returned to client | 13:44 |
| Qiming_ | 'with_count' query string | 13:45 |
| Qiming_ | 'POST' for actions | 13:45 |
| Qiming_ | 'Cache-Control' | 13:45 |
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| Qiming_ | constraints: max/min values | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | many issues need to fix | 13:45 |
| elynn | do you know where I can see the docs for senlin in openstack website? is there any? | 13:45 |
| Qiming_ | there are new specs about rewriting api docs using Swagger | 13:45 |
| Qiming_ | there are many destinations for publish/gating | 13:46 |
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| Qiming_ | docs.o.o, developer.o.o, specs.o.o ... | 13:46 |
| Qiming_ | still working on that | 13:46 |
| elynn | all I know is the wiki page for senlin. | 13:47 |
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| Qiming_ | there is still release notes thing | 13:47 |
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| yanyanhu | just as ethan said, can we find a way to let user read senlin doc in an easier way? | 13:47 |
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| yanyanhu | some colleagues also asked us this question | 13:47 |
| Qiming_ | so, after the initial learning phase, we would need some liaisons for jobs | 13:47 |
| Qiming_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 13:48 |
| Qiming_ | yanyanhu: we have docs for users, docs for developers, just need to figure out how to publish them | 13:48 |
| Qiming_ | which site, how to set up gate to do this | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming_, yes | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | we have them there actually, just need to figure out a way to let user check it easily | 13:49 |
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| Qiming_ | if any of you have interests on any of these cross-project topics | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | yea | 13:49 |
| Qiming_ | please let me know | 13:49 |
| elynn | ok, I got what you mean. | 13:49 |
| haiwei_ | for senlin, it mainly means SDK? | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | will check this page | 13:50 |
| haiwei_ | the cross-project | 13:50 |
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| haiwei_ | and oslo? | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | haiwei_, also some other services who want to talk with us or we want to talk with | 13:50 |
| Qiming_ | haiwei_: no, it means release management, api workgroup, product working group ... | 13:50 |
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| Qiming_ | and hopefully, a liaison for magnum | 13:51 |
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| Qiming | #topic blueprints and bugs | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | any high priority items? | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | I think we need to recheck all of them and set them to proper status | 13:52 |
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| haiwei_ | yanyan's bug? | 13:53 |
| Qiming | seems we have already covered bluepints on the etherpad page | 13:53 |
| haiwei_ | can we decide the priority by ourselves? | 13:53 |
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| yanyanhu | I mean all of those existing bugs and bps, especially some ones have been done | 13:53 |
| Qiming | 29 bugs | 13:54 |
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| haiwei_ | i know, I mean your bug reported today is a high priority? | 13:54 |
| Qiming | 10 medium importance | 13:54 |
| elynn | I think it's good to set priority for this bugs and BPs, at least let others outside knows that what we are working on. | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | oh, haiwei_ I guess so | 13:55 |
| Qiming | some are outdated | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | we should cleanse them | 13:55 |
| haiwei_ | I think the bugs related to node creation should be high priority | 13:55 |
| elynn | since they may not know where the etherpad is. | 13:55 |
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| yanyanhu | and mark those ones have been done to Fix released? | 13:55 |
| Qiming_ | yes, that is something we need to do, review them all | 13:55 |
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| Qiming_ | fix-released won't be manual | 13:56 |
| yanyanhu | oh | 13:56 |
| Qiming_ | it will be taken care of by some ci scripts | 13:56 |
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| yanyanhu | since I found no any bug is closed in Senlin bug list | 13:57 |
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| Qiming_ | that is because we haven't create a formal release | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu | ok, understand | 13:57 |
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| Qiming_ | #action review bug list and reset status | 13:58 |
| yanyanhu | thanks | 13:58 |
| haiwei_ | and again, any bug fix should contain a bug report, will be strict about that in the coming review | 13:58 |
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| yanyanhu | haiwei_, agree | 13:58 |
| yanyanhu | and also set the priority as elynn suggested | 13:59 |
| elynn | yea, let's be formal ;) | 13:59 |
| Qiming_ | need to work hard | 13:59 |
| Qiming_ | we are not making a lot of progress recently, to be honest | 13:59 |
| haiwei_ | the benefit is when we make a release, we can say we have fixed how many bugs in this cycle | 13:59 |
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| Qiming_ | haiwei_: that can be solved using releasenotes | 14:00 |
| Qiming_ | okay, time is up, thx for joining | 14:00 |
| Qiming_ | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| haiwei_ | yes, if we have reported it | 14:00 |
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| Qiming | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming_, you need to switch nickname first | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 14:01:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-11-24-13.02.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-11-24-13.02.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-11-24-13.02.log.html | 14:01 |
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| * mestery looks around for armax | 15:00 | |
| HenryG | poke armax | 15:00 |
| armax | here | 15:00 |
| amotoki | o/ | 15:00 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 15:00 |
| dougwig | o/ | 15:00 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: ping | 15:00 |
| neiljerram | o/ | 15:01 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: ping | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: pong | 15:01 |
| armax | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 24 15:01:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| mestery | armax: You need MOAR COFFEE | 15:01 |
| kevinbenton | hi | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 15:01 |
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| armax | mestery: tons of it, I just fell out of bed | 15:02 |
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| mestery | armax: slacker ;) | 15:02 |
| armax | ok, let’s try to squash the triaged list a bit | 15:02 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 15:02 |
| armax | or do we want over the list of comments that amotoki put together on the wiki page? | 15:03 |
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| armax | and HenryG | 15:03 |
| mestery | armax: Lets start with amotoki's comments | 15:03 |
| mestery | and HenryG | 15:03 |
| mestery | Since they put the time in :) | 15:03 |
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| armax | sounds good | 15:03 |
| mestery | #awesomesauce | 15:03 |
| HenryG | should go quick, just double-check our work | 15:04 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: link to wiki? | 15:04 |
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| amotoki | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDrivers | 15:05 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronDrivers | 15:05 |
| armax | let’s start with bug 1373660 | 15:05 |
| openstack | bug 1373660 in neutron "[RFE] An in-use dhcp port can be deleted" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373660 | 15:05 |
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| armax | I think the issue here is: some ports should not be deleted | 15:06 |
| armax | manually by the tenant | 15:06 |
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| kevinbenton | why? it's their network | 15:07 |
| amotoki | the problem is that dhcp-agent runs but a user can delete the port | 15:07 |
| armax | and the port will be recreated by the agent | 15:08 |
| dougwig | as long as we're consistent api-wide, and either cleanup the resources behind the port, or refuse to delete it until those resources have been deleted/unassigned, i'm happy. | 15:08 |
| Administrator__ | as I know, dhcp-agent will recreate a new dhcp port | 15:08 |
| kevinbenton | yes, the agent should try to recreate the port | 15:08 |
| russellb | dougwig: +1 | 15:08 |
| armax | I’d rather not special case the treatment of certain ports | 15:08 |
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| dougwig | kevinbenton: then it's just kinda silly to let them delete it in the first place, isn't it? | 15:08 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: no, it's their network. do what they want | 15:09 |
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| russellb | meh, it's not a user managed port though | 15:09 |
| kevinbenton | otherwise we have to special case the port | 15:09 |
| amotoki | I think you all are interested in this. more comments to the bug would be appreciated. | 15:09 |
| mestery | amotoki: ++ | 15:09 |
| armax | then special ports should be invisble to them | 15:09 |
| kevinbenton | and now we have to check user context in the API for deleting ports | 15:09 |
| russellb | imo, it's weird that this port is visible, yes | 15:09 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: if you delete it and it magically reappears, then we're not giving "their network" any special delete powers. :) | 15:10 |
| amotoki | we have several possible approaches. let's comment! | 15:10 |
| kevinbenton | it would be stranger to have an invisible IP address that you contact for DNS | 15:10 |
| armax | let’s start from the fact that the problem is not well stated to be honest | 15:10 |
| Administrator__ | armax, I agree with you that special ports should be invisble to user and not consume port quota | 15:10 |
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| dougwig | hiding it would cause real problems. i've lost count of the times that dhcp has failed and it's come down to an agent race startup condition and the dhcp port is just down, and needed flapping. | 15:11 |
| HenryG | Administrator__: can you id yourself please? | 15:11 |
| kevinbenton | this port is like any other network participant. it's wired by the agent, it gets its IP from IPAM, etc | 15:11 |
| mestery | dougwig: ++ | 15:11 |
| armax | dougwig: if the system worked correctly you wouldn’t even need to know about it | 15:11 |
| armax | dougwig: come on | 15:11 |
| Administrator__ | sorry, I will change | 15:11 |
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| amotoki | :) | 15:11 |
| mestery | armax: Huh? That sounds just plain silly | 15:11 |
| dougwig | armax: sure, but... | 15:11 |
| mestery | We're gonna hide and it and make it harder to debug issues? | 15:12 |
| mestery | Because it should just work? | 15:12 |
| kevinbenton | if we hide it, then the same logic should be used to hide all router interfaces as well | 15:12 |
| armax | dougwig: no, I am not saying that | 15:12 |
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| armax | I am just saying that preventing deletion is equivalent to hiding them | 15:12 |
| amotoki | agree with mestery and kevinbenton | 15:12 |
| armax | and that’s bad | 15:12 |
| russellb | showing them leaks the backend implementation a bit, but *shrug* | 15:12 |
| dougwig | armax: no, because you can still see status, make it up/down, notice that it's part of your topology. it's always seemed obvious that it should be listed to me. | 15:12 |
| mestery | We need to make this thing easier to use and operate, not harder | 15:12 |
| mestery | Hiding things doesn't help | 15:12 |
| mestery | dougwig: ++ | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | I tend to think this is pretty low priority. | 15:13 |
| amotoki | from my comment: One idea is to clear device_id/owner of a port before allowing to delete the port. It achieves a kind of "force delete". | 15:13 |
| kevinbenton | russellb: same can be said for router interfaces | 15:13 |
| neiljerram | FWIW, preventing deletion seems to me different from hiding | 15:13 |
| russellb | kevinbenton: agree.. | 15:13 |
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| russellb | but that ship has sailed :) | 15:13 |
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| armax | same can be said for all ports that are used to do crazy stuff | 15:13 |
| armax | like subports | 15:13 |
| armax | :) | 15:13 |
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| armax | dvr, floating ips, etc | 15:14 |
| russellb | i think that one is a bit different actually, but let's stay off topic here | 15:14 |
| armax | if this bug reads like: prevent the deletion of service ports | 15:14 |
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| amotoki | yes. it is not specific to dhcp ports. we need to discuss as a whole. | 15:14 |
| amotoki | armax: ++ | 15:14 |
| armax | oh I forgot ha ports | 15:14 |
| dougwig | it's like the port where IT has said, "don't touch this one". it's obvious that it's there, it will cause serious pain if you pull the wire, and it makes things go. you can't hide it. and if the user pulls it, bad stuff happens, but hey, people are people. now do we try to duct tape over it, or lock it in, or...? my analogy-foo is weak this morning. | 15:14 |
| kevinbenton | and lbaas ports | 15:14 |
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| mestery | dougwig: You're making sense to me, you must have had a few redbulls this morning already | 15:15 |
| armax | in the case of dhcp the port is reprovisioned | 15:15 |
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| armax | so the system is resilient to failures | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | I guess the whole hiding discussion could be postponed to after we don't experience any issues with the implementation :) | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | dougwig: I agree with that. There are all kinds of things that are necessary for operation and we don't babysit them all. | 15:16 |
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| mestery | Is anyone in favor of hiding? | 15:16 |
| mestery | Because if not | 15:16 |
| armax | I personally vote to “wont-fix”, ports have been exposed since the beginning | 15:16 |
| mestery | Lets just move on | 15:16 |
| mestery | armax: Right, +1 | 15:16 |
| armax | that’s how we work | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: +1 | 15:16 |
| dougwig | armax: +1 | 15:16 |
| amotoki | can we use #action to remember what still need to be visited/discussed in the next meeting. | 15:16 |
| hanzhang | +1 | 15:17 |
| armax | amotoki: I usually take action right after the meeting | 15:17 |
| amotoki | I think it is worth discussed for better UX. | 15:17 |
| armax | amotoki: I think it’s a waste of time | 15:17 |
| mestery | armax: No do #agreed here | 15:17 |
| mestery | So we can lock it in | 15:17 |
| mestery | lol | 15:17 |
| asadoughi | has it been considered to allow this to be enforced by poicy.json? | 15:17 |
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| armax | #action armax to follow up on bug 1373660 | 15:18 |
| openstack | bug 1373660 in neutron "[RFE] An in-use dhcp port can be deleted" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373660 | 15:18 |
| armax | next | 15:18 |
| armax | bug #1416179 | 15:18 |
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| openstack | bug 1416179 in neutron "[RFE] API to set & get list of provider network types" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1416179 | 15:18 |
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| russellb | i don't think this should be configurable for interop reasons. i also think "this is the way it has always been, waste of time to discuss changing it" is a good point. | 15:18 |
| mestery | russellb: ++ | 15:18 |
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| amotoki | russellb: agree on 'set' side. | 15:19 |
| armax | I believe this bug is also another time waster, unless something else happens first | 15:19 |
| amotoki | on the other hand, I think 'get' side is useful | 15:19 |
| mestery | armax: ++ | 15:19 |
| dougwig | i'm not seeing a use case listed. | 15:19 |
| amotoki | that's all | 15:19 |
| dougwig | just "we want to get". | 15:19 |
| dougwig | why? | 15:19 |
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| dougwig | don't need to list it here. | 15:20 |
| amotoki | dougwig: see my comment in the bug. | 15:20 |
| russellb | amotoki: i was actualyl referring to the last one about dhcp heh | 15:20 |
| armax | we’re talking about bug 1416179 | 15:20 |
| openstack | bug 1416179 in neutron "[RFE] API to set & get list of provider network types" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1416179 | 15:20 |
| armax | now | 15:20 |
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| russellb | get is useful if it's different per backend | 15:20 |
| mestery | lol | 15:20 |
| dougwig | amotoki: right. why is horizon maintaining that list? what's it doing in the UI? | 15:20 |
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| russellb | if it's hard coded then meh | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | armax: on the other side, it is also a no brainer assuming we have folks to tackle it. | 15:21 |
| armax | provider networks are provisioned ahead of time | 15:21 |
| amotoki | dougwig: horizon has a network creation form for admin. we need provider net type list. | 15:21 |
| armax | unless we make their management entirely dynamic | 15:21 |
| russellb | +1 | 15:21 |
| kevinbenton | this sounds fine to me, especially since it's different in different ML2 deployments, let alone other plugins | 15:21 |
| armax | I can’t see what retrivieving them does | 15:21 |
| russellb | optimizing this thing which is largely very static doesn't seem like a good use of time | 15:21 |
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| mestery | russellb: ++ | 15:22 |
| kevinbenton | there is no way to discover enabled type drivers IIRC | 15:22 |
| dougwig | amotoki: you can't just offer a list of names, and if the operator wants to expose their backend, they can do it there? | 15:22 |
| armax | the use case of making provider networks dynamic is not an easy thing to do | 15:22 |
| hanzhang | for provider network, I think it should support paging list | 15:22 |
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| kevinbenton | not even paging or filtering, just a plain list should be plenty | 15:23 |
| kevinbenton | get-only | 15:23 |
| hanzhang | agree | 15:23 |
| kevinbenton | it's going to be like 1-5 items | 15:23 |
| amotoki | it is not exposed to users, so it is not so important, but we have similar requests several times so far. I am okay with either in this case. | 15:24 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, exposed to admins though | 15:24 |
| amotoki | I can just say neutron team rejected to expose it to horizon team. | 15:24 |
| armax | just so that we’re clear | 15:24 |
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| kevinbenton | no, not reject! | 15:24 |
| armax | are we saying we should expose the networks that are currently hard coded here: | 15:24 |
| armax | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini#L62 | 15:24 |
| armax | the physnet ones? | 15:25 |
| kevinbenton | armax: no. i thought this was to expose which types are avialable: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini#L6 | 15:25 |
| amotoki | sorry for misunderstanding. | 15:25 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: ok so the type drivers supported | 15:26 |
| kevinbenton | i think this has some value for admins needing to configure provider networks | 15:26 |
| kevinbenton | armax: yes | 15:26 |
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| kevinbenton | just makes it a little easier for horizon or other guis | 15:26 |
| armax | not all type drviers can be applied to provider networks | 15:26 |
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| neiljerram | It seems to me there's a general move from implementation config into the API (e.g. also bridge_mappings). Is that really right? | 15:27 |
| kevinbenton | armax: provider networks are just networks | 15:27 |
| armax | frankly I think it’s another waste of time | 15:27 |
| kevinbenton | armax: of course they can | 15:27 |
| armax | kevinbenton: I have never seen a vxlan provider network, but sure | 15:27 |
| kevinbenton | neiljerram: in ML2 the type is in the API already | 15:27 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: it’s just a network | 15:27 |
| neiljerram | Yes, that also seems not obviously right, to me | 15:28 |
| kevinbenton | neiljerram: file a bug | 15:28 |
| kevinbenton | neiljerram: the entire provider network workflow is based on it | 15:28 |
| armax | setting type drivers doesn’t make sense either | 15:28 |
| armax | as they are stevedore entrypoints | 15:28 |
| neiljerram | kevinbenton, it possibly means I haven't understood one of the meanings of the API.... | 15:29 |
| kevinbenton | armax: i agree setting via the API is not necessary | 15:29 |
| armax | why would we want to ever prevent certain types to be used I don’t understand | 15:29 |
| amotoki | agree settings is unnecessary | 15:29 |
| armax | to me this bug is a classic example of overenginering for the sake of it | 15:29 |
| armax | bah | 15:29 |
| armax | I do need coffe | 15:29 |
| armax | coffee | 15:29 |
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| kevinbenton | neiljerram: http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide/scenario_provider_ovs.html#create-initial-networks | 15:30 |
| neiljerram | it's potentially worse than that, as it will also constrain us in future | 15:30 |
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| dougwig | amotoki: can you maybe include a screenshot of what you're trying to accomplish? i just fired up a juno horizon and can't see it on the create network dialog. | 15:30 |
| kevinbenton | neiljerram: these are already in the API under the network | 15:30 |
| amotoki | dougwig: sure tomorrow. | 15:30 |
| armax | we’d be going through the trouble of creating an api endpoint, etc etc just to expose a list type drivers | 15:30 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: make sure you are on the admin network API | 15:30 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: not the tenant one | 15:30 |
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| armax | now granted that the ones chosen may depend by the deployment | 15:31 |
| armax | so get Horizon to have a config option as well | 15:31 |
| armax | and the admin must know to set both | 15:31 |
| armax | done | 15:31 |
| armax | can we move on pleasE? | 15:31 |
| russellb | no! | 15:31 |
| armax | (facepalm) | 15:32 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: admin network API = admin network page | 15:32 |
| njohnston | facepalm +1 | 15:32 |
| dougwig | at 15 minutes per bug, we should be done with this meeting about... oh, is that the turkey burning? | 15:32 |
| armax | russellb: it’s a no with a reason? or no, that’s it | 15:32 |
| kevinbenton | next bug | 15:32 |
| russellb | (yes) | 15:32 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: thanks, but i'm not seeing it there either? | 15:32 |
| kevinbenton | this RFE is ML2 specific | 15:32 |
| kevinbenton | we can discuss it there | 15:32 |
| kevinbenton | on the bug report | 15:32 |
| mestery | ML2 ILLUMANTI! | 15:32 |
| mestery | I knew it | 15:32 |
| armax | #action armax comment on bug 1416179 to mark it won’t fix | 15:33 |
| openstack | bug 1416179 in neutron "[RFE] API to set & get list of provider network types" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1416179 | 15:33 |
| armax | ok? | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | configdb would help here.aye | 15:33 |
| mestery | Did we just spend almost 20 minutes on that last bug? Wow. | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | sorry, disregard ^ | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | let's move on | 15:33 |
| armax | #link 1513144 | 15:33 |
| armax | bug 1513144 | 15:33 |
| openstack | bug 1513144 in neutron "[RFE] Allow admin to mark agents down" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513144 | 15:33 |
| armax | #undo | 15:34 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x9077c50> | 15:34 |
| kevinbenton | (that was a good example of why ML2 should be a different project) | 15:34 |
| armax | #nundo | 15:34 |
| armax | #undo | 15:34 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x94b3f50> | 15:34 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1513144 | 15:34 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Your thinly veiled plot at a power grab with ML2 is noted | 15:34 |
| armax | I see two meetings going on here | 15:34 |
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| amotoki | we have only <30mins. please check it after the meeting. I think it is good now. | 15:34 |
| armax | amotoki: what is? | 15:35 |
| amotoki | sorry for confusing comment. | 15:35 |
| amotoki | i just want to say let's check bug later 1513144 | 15:35 |
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| armax | amotoki: ok | 15:36 |
| kevinbenton | amotoki: still working out the use case? | 15:36 |
| dougwig | so they want to be able to mark an agent down, so things don't get scheduled to that node, and an operator can look into it manually later | 15:36 |
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| armax | amotoki: yours was a long comment, I need time to read it | 15:36 |
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| dougwig | ? | 15:36 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: not quite. admin_stte_false already does that | 15:36 |
| dougwig | then i failed to grok the use case yet again. can someone ELI5 it? | 15:37 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: they need to mark down to force rescheduling or other failover IIUC | 15:37 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: because admin_state_up=False prevents future scheduling | 15:37 |
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| dougwig | so it's a "down, but do some extra goo" action? | 15:37 |
| kevinbenton | "mark dead" | 15:37 |
| kevinbenton | would be a short description i think | 15:38 |
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| amotoki | kevinbenton: but it prevents manual scheudling for agent with admin-state-down... | 15:38 |
| armax | let’s follow amotoki’s suggestion | 15:38 |
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| armax | have a look at the bug report offline and make sure we’re prepared for the conversation next week | 15:38 |
| kevinbenton | +1 | 15:38 |
| armax | #action drivers to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1513144 offline | 15:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1513144 in neutron "[RFE] Allow admin to mark agents down" [Wishlist,Incomplete] | 15:38 |
| armax | next | 15:38 |
| armax | next: bug 1464793 | 15:38 |
| openstack | bug 1464793 in neutron "[RFE] Add a driver for isc-dhcpd" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464793 - Assigned to Shraddha Pandhe (shraddha-pandhe) | 15:38 |
| mestery | Is that within scope for Mitaka? | 15:39 |
| kevinbenton | can that be completely developed as a sub-project? | 15:39 |
| kevinbenton | or is that overkill for a subproject | 15:39 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: ++ | 15:39 |
| neiljerram | dhcp_driver config should allow that, I believe | 15:39 |
| armax | kevinbenton: it’s possible, but there might be adjustement to the dhcp interface | 15:39 |
| dougwig | why would we block that if someone was willing to do the work? | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton: + dhcp agent is pluggable so far | 15:39 |
| armax | having said that, would I promote such an efforrt? | 15:39 |
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| amotoki | I think we need high level decision on this. perhaps subproject. | 15:39 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: nobody to review | 15:40 |
| armax | personally I wouldn't | 15:40 |
| mestery | Rigth | 15:40 |
| mestery | If no one reviews, why give them false hope? | 15:40 |
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| mestery | Also, have you seen what is already on the list for reviewing? | 15:40 |
| kevinbenton | so i'm leaning towards subproject | 15:40 |
| armax | because running processes to deliver network services is problematic | 15:40 |
| armax | and we all know that | 15:40 |
| mestery | We're gonna collapse under our own weight if we're not careful | 15:40 |
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| dougwig | i like the subproject idea. | 15:40 |
| armax | I don’t :) | 15:41 |
| kevinbenton | armax: why not. it's a pluggable interface? | 15:41 |
| dougwig | haha. pistols at dawn! | 15:41 |
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| mestery | I with dougwig on that one | 15:41 |
| armax | not until we fix the stadium | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | I believe we should be happy to review infra changes for dhcp agent pluggable interface for the subproject | 15:41 |
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| mestery | That's a bigger discussion armax | 15:41 |
| armax | right | 15:41 |
| armax | it is | 15:41 |
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| mestery | It's not as dire as you frame it, but meh | 15:41 |
| dougwig | which part of the stadium are you referring to? the co-gate nastiness? or something else? | 15:41 |
| kevinbenton | #topic demolition of the stadium :) | 15:41 |
| armax | but I wouldn’t want to promote anyone to go on a time water | 15:41 |
| armax | waster | 15:41 |
| armax | dougwig: all of the above and beyond | 15:42 |
| kevinbenton | armax: so what do you propose? | 15:42 |
| armax | kevinbenton: for this bug? | 15:42 |
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| kevinbenton | yes | 15:42 |
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| armax | won’t fix :) | 15:42 |
| kevinbenton | what's wrong with a subproject? | 15:42 |
| armax | because no-one should use it? | 15:42 |
| kevinbenton | nobody should use subprojects? | 15:43 |
| armax | having centralized dhcp services is bad as it is | 15:43 |
| armax | thank you very much | 15:43 |
| dougwig | ok, we've got two religious objections going on here. can we table the stadium one, unless we make that the main topic and tackle it? | 15:43 |
| kevinbenton | i have a wild list of opinions about many of our subprojects but I don't think they should be blocked :) | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | armax: technically, how is it different from current dnsmasq implementation? | 15:43 |
| armax | dougwig: no, I am not objecting the statidum right now | 15:44 |
| armax | I am only saying that we should promote healthy initiatives that benefit the project as a whole | 15:44 |
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| dougwig | so is it that you don't like how dnsmasq is doing dhcp and don't want another one? or you just hate freedom of choice? :-) what's your ideal of how we do dhcp? | 15:44 |
| armax | having another driver for dhcp, doesn’t seem like that useful | 15:44 |
| armax | especially if it promoted a usage pattern that is gonna cause more trouble than it’s worth | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | armax: should we kill pluggable interface then? if we don't allow folks to use it, then there is no reason to keep it. | 15:45 |
| mestery | I don't understand the usage pattern that a new DHCP dirver in a sub-project would cause | 15:45 |
| mestery | ihrachys: ++ | 15:45 |
| armax | we should either invest in distributed dhcp or moving away from the model of running dhcp process altoghether | 15:45 |
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| dougwig | armax: isn't that just another dhcp driver, though? | 15:45 |
| armax | ihrachys: they can use it, I just don’t want to endorse it | 15:45 |
| garyk | with distributed DHCP there is the issue of metadata proxies | 15:46 |
| dougwig | armax: why would we pick and choose for them? isn't that the point of the stadium? letting folks do their own thing if they want? | 15:46 |
| * mestery is really confused | 15:46 | |
| ihrachys | armax: is a comment suggesting there is a pluggable interface for them to use if they feel like an endorsement? | 15:46 |
| neiljerram | My suggestion: "feel free to experiment with implementing this, but not clear yet if and how it will be integrated into core Neutron" | 15:46 |
| armax | then this ties to the shape the stadium currently is | 15:46 |
| mestery | armax: What are you talking about? | 15:46 |
| armax | nm | 15:47 |
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| kevinbenton | next bug. i think that should be tabled until we define the stadium requirements | 15:47 |
| armax | #action approve yet another dhcp driver | 15:47 |
| armax | whatever | 15:47 |
| mestery | We have the stadium requirements defined | 15:47 |
| mestery | I tend to think people are not happy with them | 15:47 |
| mestery | Which is fine | 15:47 |
| dougwig | mestery: if i understand, he's suggesting that the current model of dhcp is wonky and we should be fixing that, instead of adding another driver doing the same brokennness. | 15:47 |
| mestery | dougwig: That part I understood | 15:48 |
| armax | bug 1457556 | 15:48 |
| openstack | bug 1457556 in neutron "[RFE] [LBaaS] ssh connection timeout" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457556 - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:48 |
| garyk | are you guys talking about the agent or the dhcp pluggable driver | 15:48 |
| garyk | cause the dnsmasq is pluggable and that can be replaced | 15:48 |
| neiljerram | garyk, I think that has already been said | 15:48 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: i'll defer to you on that one | 15:49 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: it sounds reasonable | 15:49 |
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| amotoki | I just want to pass bug 1457556 to dougwig :-) | 15:49 |
| openstack | bug 1457556 in neutron "[RFE] [LBaaS] ssh connection timeout" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457556 - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:49 |
| armax | #action move bug 1457556 to rfe-approved | 15:49 |
| dougwig | it sounds reasonable to me, except not as just exposing haproxy options directly. | 15:49 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: +1 | 15:50 |
| armax | dougwig: right, they would need to be abstracted | 15:50 |
| amotoki | dougwig: good point. do we suggest a spec? | 15:50 |
| dougwig | agree to approve. i don't need a spec, just a clarifying comment on the bug, similar to what blogan suggested. | 15:50 |
| armax | sounds good | 15:50 |
| armax | next | 15:50 |
| amotoki | +1 | 15:50 |
| armax | bug #1496705 | 15:50 |
| openstack | bug 1496705 in neutron "[RFE] A common description field for Neutron resources" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496705 - Assigned to Li Ma (nick-ma-z) | 15:50 |
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| russellb | the tags proposal accomplishes the same thing imo | 15:51 |
| armax | weird I thought I had commented on this one | 15:51 |
| armax | hang on | 15:51 |
| armax | I think we have a duplicate here | 15:51 |
| dougwig | russellb: spoken like a dev. :) | 15:52 |
| armax | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1483480 | 15:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1483480 in neutron "[RFE] Allow annotations on Neutron resources" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 15:52 |
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| dougwig | i'm pretty sure they want something wordier than a tag. | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | do tags have attributes attached? if not, it's not completely the same. | 15:52 |
| russellb | dougwig: make a wordy tag? | 15:52 |
| armax | we should have the conversation in one place | 15:52 |
| armax | we can’t afford to talk twice :) | 15:52 |
| armax | I think tags != descriptions | 15:52 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, they explicity say they think tags suck because you don't know which one is the description | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | maybe it's easier to come up with a tag prefix concept | 15:52 |
| dougwig | russellb: let's remove all the db columns and do it all with tags then? :) | 15:52 |
| russellb | dougwig: sure why not | 15:53 |
| russellb | but fair ... description = human readable thingy | 15:53 |
| russellb | fair enough. | 15:53 |
| armax | let’s have one giant table | 15:53 |
| dougwig | JSON STORE! | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | like 'description:Whatever nice text you may want to add' tags | 15:53 |
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| armax | and return the entire content in a single API response | 15:53 |
| armax | done | 15:53 |
| kevinbenton | 'GET /neutron_state' | 15:53 |
| armax | kevinbenton: get /all | 15:53 |
| dougwig | i feel the pacific timezone affecting my snark level. :) | 15:53 |
| amotoki | :) | 15:53 |
| armax | jokes aside | 15:54 |
| garyk | i think that tags are super useful and helpful | 15:54 |
| armax | I think we have a duplicate here | 15:54 |
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| kevinbenton | right, i don't think anyone is saying tags don't work | 15:54 |
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| armax | I marked https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1496705 | 15:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1483480 in neutron "duplicate for #1496705 [RFE] Allow annotations on Neutron resources" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 15:54 |
| armax | duplicate | 15:54 |
| kevinbenton | what they want is a named field for the description though | 15:54 |
| armax | of https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1483480 | 15:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1483480 in neutron "[RFE] Allow annotations on Neutron resources" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 15:54 |
| dougwig | garyk: this is not a tag discussion. this is a discussion of whether other new fields are new fields are just specialty tags, which i don't tend to agree with. | 15:54 |
| dougwig | /are just/or just/ | 15:54 |
| armax | I think adding a description field may be handy | 15:55 |
| dougwig | armax: +1 | 15:55 |
| russellb | desc seems fine | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | then should we define tags as attributes with no value attached? | 15:55 |
| amotoki | armax: +1 | 15:55 |
| kevinbenton | armax: then why did you mark as duplicate? | 15:55 |
| armax | because as a user I may want to add my grocery shopping list to my dhcp port in use | 15:55 |
| armax | becasue it’s two of them that are saying the same thing? | 15:55 |
| armax | kevinbenton: ^ | 15:55 |
| dougwig | armax: lol | 15:55 |
| neiljerram | not a good idea if the port is then deleted | 15:55 |
| armax | neiljerram: oh right | 15:55 |
| garyk | dolphm: | 15:55 |
| kevinbenton | armax: no, one was saying they still need description even with tags | 15:55 |
| armax | kevinbenton: right | 15:56 |
| armax | kevinbenton: we have two bugs that both are about description | 15:56 |
| garyk | dougwig: yeah, i got that. i just think that if we do go down the road for tags and defer or duplicate other stuff in favor of that then we should make sure that have the correct priority for tags | 15:56 |
| armax | #action make description the new black | 15:56 |
| kevinbenton | armax: oh, whoops. i thought you made description a dup of tags | 15:56 |
| armax | btw I think from now on | 15:57 |
| armax | we should review bugs in order of submission | 15:57 |
| armax | from the oldest to the youngest | 15:57 |
| kevinbenton | armax: +1 | 15:57 |
| armax | just an opinion | 15:57 |
| njohnston | what is the current ordering? | 15:57 |
| kevinbenton | and this meeting should be extended to 4 hours | 15:57 |
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| armax | njohnston: it depends | 15:57 |
| dougwig | we should timebox each bug at like 5 minutes. | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | I also think if drivers don't keep up in 1h, maybe 2h per week would be a better deal. | 15:57 |
| kevinbenton | we hardly get the paint out before it's over | 15:58 |
| mestery | njohnston: The current order is defined by a user pluggalbe scheduler, today's scheduler plugin was from amotoki and HenryG | 15:58 |
| armax | ihrachys: let’s have a week retreat in the caymans | 15:58 |
| -amotoki- 's sleeping time will be stealed... | 15:58 | |
| ihrachys | armax: you pay | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: sleeping time is overrated | 15:58 |
| njohnston | armax: got it, thanks | 15:58 |
| armax | ihrachys: I thought you’d cover with the gift card I gave you yesterday | 15:58 |
| kevinbenton | we need a pluggable drivers meeting scheduler that receives vectors of RFE attribute weights and... | 15:58 |
| armax | ok, folks thanks for the very entertaining discussion, I love you all | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | armax: I will, virtual caymans with that virtual card | 15:58 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| kevinbenton | next bug! | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 15:58:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2015/neutron_drivers.2015-11-24-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2015/neutron_drivers.2015-11-24-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| kevinbenton | we still had a minute | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2015/neutron_drivers.2015-11-24-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
| dougwig | hmm, did ihrachys just hint at the usefulness of a... MID-CYCLE? | 15:59 |
| dougwig | :) | 15:59 |
| * dougwig runs. | 15:59 | |
| amotoki | today's scheduler shows random order of bugs :( | 15:59 |
| amotoki | thanks | 15:59 |
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| kevinbenton | dougwig: armax doesn't like mid-cycles because he flies united | 15:59 |
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| ihrachys | kevinbenton: lol | 15:59 |
| mestery | lol | 15:59 |
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| dougwig | kevinbenton: ahh, so he likes being treated like human garbage. | 15:59 |
| armax | kevinbenton: I am not even going to entertain a response to that | 15:59 |
| njohnston | lol | 15:59 |
| dougwig | armax: probably because united charges by the word. | 16:00 |
| * armax walks aways in disdain | 16:00 | |
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| kevinbenton | :P | 16:00 |
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| asselin | #startmeeting third-party | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 24 16:59:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asselin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 16:59 |
| asselin | HI, who's here for 3rd party ci working group meeting? | 17:00 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 17:00 |
| asselin | hi mmedvede | 17:01 |
| mmedvede | hi asselin | 17:01 |
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| asselin | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
| asselin | hi krtaylor | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | hey everybody | 17:02 |
| asselin | #topic announcements | 17:02 |
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| asselin | Jenkins security issue (for those with publicly accessible Jenkins setups) | 17:02 |
| asselin | #link https://jenkins-ci.org/content/mitigating-unauthenticated-remote-code-execution-0-day-jenkins-cli | 17:03 |
| asselin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242787/ (merged) | 17:03 |
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| asselin | any other announcements? | 17:03 |
| asselin | #Topic CI Watch | 17:04 |
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| asselin | mmedvede, and apporva (sp?) have been making a lot of progress on this | 17:05 |
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| asselin | mmedvede, want to give a quick update? | 17:05 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: sure | 17:05 |
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| mmedvede | I have been working on a couple of bugs that would have prevented it from working smoothly once deployed | 17:06 |
| mmedvede | the most recent one is gerrit event listener not recovering after connection loss | 17:06 |
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| mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/248919 | 17:07 |
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| mmedvede | Overall, I'd like to concentrate on getting some unit tests implemented | 17:07 |
| mmedvede | right now there are zero :) | 17:07 |
| kcalman | o/ | 17:07 |
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| asselin | +1 | 17:08 |
| mmedvede | Active work is tracked under ci-dashboard topic | 17:08 |
| mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+%28topic:ci-dashboard%29,n,z | 17:08 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: that is a gist of it | 17:09 |
| mmedvede | oh, and there is a lunchpad bugs for it as well | 17:09 |
| asselin | mmedvede, yeah, was looking at that patch. reuse is definitely a good thing! | 17:09 |
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| mmedvede | #link ciwatch bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ciwatch | 17:10 |
| Swanson | hi | 17:11 |
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| mmedvede | this is all I have on ciwatch for now | 17:11 |
| asselin | mmedvede, thanks for working on this. | 17:12 |
| asselin | anything else anyone wants to add re ci-watch? | 17:12 |
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| asselin | #topic Common-CI Solution | 17:13 |
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| asselin | So we have a "working" solution merged: Merged! http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080058.html | 17:14 |
| asselin | #link Merged! http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080058.html | 17:14 |
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| mmedvede | \o/ | 17:14 |
| asselin | there were a few issues found regarding integrating the log server | 17:14 |
| asselin | #link Allow external Jenkins Plugins https://review.openstack.org/248223 | 17:14 |
| asselin | #link Install custom OpenStack scp jenkins plugin https://review.openstack.org/248226 | 17:14 |
| asselin | I think just those 2 patches left not yet merged ^^ | 17:15 |
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| asselin | Swanson, how is your setup going? | 17:15 |
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| Swanson | I got everything running. Just doesn't work yet. If you get my meaning. | 17:16 |
| asselin | Swanson, not sure I get your meaning.... | 17:16 |
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| Swanson | Jenkins is up. Nodepool is up. Log server is up. Devstack is up. Having merge issues and nothing is spinning off nodes. | 17:17 |
| ja3 | sounds like all the components are "running", just not correct output yet | 17:17 |
| asselin | Swanson, do you want to discuss your issues now or later/offline? | 17:18 |
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| Swanson | Where is the best place to look for the failure | 17:19 |
| Swanson | (To start to look for the failure.) | 17:19 |
| asselin | I see...a troubleshooting section is needed | 17:19 |
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| Swanson | 2015-11-24 09:25:11,686 INFO zuul.MergeClient: Merge <gear.Job 0x7f00383a4b50 handle: H:127.0.0.1:44 name: merger:merge unique: 89e15a9ff54a478fa17ad1136d428a4c> complete, merged: False, updated: False, commit: None | 17:19 |
| Swanson | That's the sort of thing I'm wondering about. | 17:20 |
| asselin | Swanson, that looks like zuul-merger pulled down a patch. | 17:21 |
| asselin | Swanson, in /var/log/zuul/debug.log you should see more details | 17:21 |
| asselin | perhaps search for those ids 89e15a9ff54a478fa17ad1136d428a4c | 17:22 |
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| Swanson | That would be the lone line. | 17:23 |
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| Swanson | (At least with that Id | 17:23 |
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| asselin | Swanson, anything in the /var/log/zuul/merger-debug.log file? | 17:23 |
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| Swanson | Well, based on the fact I don't see a merger-debug.log file I'm going to guess that that is my problem. | 17:24 |
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| asselin | Swanson, there should be 3 processes running: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci/tree/contrib/README.md#n221 | 17:24 |
| Swanson | Nope, there it is. Too many windows and fingers aren't working... sigh. | 17:25 |
| Swanson | Could not read from remote repository. | 17:26 |
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| Swanson | host key verification failed. | 17:26 |
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| asselin | Swanson, you're using the default? review.openstack.org? | 17:26 |
| Swanson | Yep | 17:27 |
| asselin | ok....let's take it offline | 17:27 |
| mmedvede | I would try manually cloning any repo on zuul. Puppet does setup review.o.o host key, but it does not always work | 17:27 |
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| asselin | #action asselin investigate host key verification failed issue with Swanson | 17:28 |
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| asselin | yeah, I'd like to see why it doesn't always work. I think I remember someone else having a similar issue | 17:29 |
| Swanson | It wouldn't be as simple as me needing to accept the RSA fingerprint would it? | 17:29 |
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| asselin | Swanson, yes, as zuul user | 17:30 |
| mmedvede | Swanson: it might be. But you might need to 'su zuul' first | 17:30 |
| asselin | or sudo su - zuul | 17:30 |
| asselin | Swanson, but that should be setup correctly | 17:31 |
| asselin | Swanson, you can take a look at /home/zuul/.ssh/known_hosts | 17:31 |
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| Swanson | I see no keys. Guessing that would be my issue. :) | 17:32 |
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| asselin | Swanson, if you rerun puppet apply /etc/puppet/manifests/site.pp does it create it? | 17:33 |
| asselin | (run as root) | 17:33 |
| asselin | puppet apply -v | 17:33 |
| asselin | (verbose) | 17:33 |
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| asselin | kcalman, hi, I don't think we met. While Swanson checks his system, would you like to introduce yourself? | 17:35 |
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| Swanson | It ccreates a known host. No other keys, however. | 17:36 |
| Swanson | And we can take this offline. | 17:36 |
| asselin | ok | 17:36 |
| asselin | #topic open discussion | 17:37 |
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| asselin | any other topics to discuss? | 17:37 |
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| mmedvede | I can add on ciwatch - I am running a personal VM with the most recent ciwatch deployed http://52.23.200.77:5000/, if people want to test it. No guarantees, can go down any time | 17:38 |
| asselin | #link mmedvede's public test ci watch deployment http://52.23.200.77:5000/ | 17:39 |
| mmedvede | thx asselin | 17:40 |
| asselin | ok, if there's nothing else we can end the meeting. | 17:40 |
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| asselin | #endmeeting | 17:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:40 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 17:40:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-11-24-16.59.html | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-11-24-16.59.txt | 17:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-11-24-16.59.log.html | 17:40 |
| asselin | Swanson, you want to meeting in -cinder or -infra? | 17:41 |
| Swanson | asselin, cinderr | 17:41 |
| Swanson | asselin, cinder | 17:41 |
| asselin | ok | 17:41 |
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| stevemar | hello! | 17:59 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 24 17:59:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 17:59 |
| lbragstad | stevemar o/ | 17:59 |
| stevemar | ping ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, ericksonsantos, geoffarnold, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, joesavak, lbragstad, lhcheng, marekd, morganfainberg, nkinder, raildo, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, claudiub, rderose, samleon, xek, MaxPC | 17:59 |
| davechen | o/ | 17:59 |
| raildo | olá o/ | 18:00 |
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| amakarov | hey! | 18:00 |
| breton | o/ | 18:00 |
| marekd | hi | 18:00 |
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| navid_ | o/ | 18:00 |
| henrynash | ’tis the season to be merry.... | 18:00 |
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| henrynash | oh, no, that’s later | 18:00 |
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| ajayaa | o/ | 18:00 |
| dstanek | henrynash: this season makes me grumpy | 18:00 |
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| samueldmq | oi :) | 18:01 |
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| henrynash | dstanek: you be grumpy, I’ll be sneezy | 18:01 |
| stevemar | #topic Mid-cycle survey | 18:01 |
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| xek_ | o/ | 18:01 |
| david8hu | \o | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | check the mailing list http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080299.html | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | theres a survey please fill it ou!t! | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | any questions about mid cycle? | 18:02 |
| bknudson | sorry to tell you this, but Winterfell has been destroyed | 18:02 |
| stevemar | bknudson: shhh spoilers! | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | spoiler alert! | 18:02 |
| dstanek | i should have written in Cleveland for location | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | so no questions :) | 18:02 |
| davechen | has filled. | 18:03 |
| henrynash | stevemar: filed | 18:03 |
| stevemar | ty davechen and henrynash | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | gonna skip the next topic | 18:03 |
| stevemar | #topic Backend driver versioning | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Backend driver versioning (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| stevemar | henrynash: its all you | 18:03 |
| henrynash | ok | 18:03 |
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| henrynash | so i happen to have to be the person to write the first new driver version | 18:03 |
| henrynash | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242853/ | 18:04 |
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| henrynash | but dtsanek and I have been debating exaclty how this should work…and more importantly what the goals | 18:04 |
| henrynash | are | 18:04 |
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| henrynash | see his thoughts here: https://gist.github.com/dstanek/756337141e5e0066ebce | 18:04 |
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| henrynash | question 1: Is the main goal of driver versioning to ensure we can update to a release and someones customer driver still works? | 18:05 |
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| dstanek | some of this we knowingly deferred because of time constraint to get versioning into the L release and we didn't know all the issues that would come up | 18:05 |
| bknudson | that's the goal | 18:05 |
| bknudson | why was there a time constraint to get versioning into L? | 18:06 |
| bknudson | we'd rather get some code in rather than get the right code in? | 18:06 |
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| henrynash | bknudson: I don’t the code was necessarily wrong, just that I don’t think anyone fully thought out eactly HOW we would create a new version! | 18:07 |
| dstanek | bknudson: no, it's not about right code. these are things that need to be decided when creating the first updated version | 18:07 |
| henrynash | I’ll lay out the two extremes | 18:08 |
| dstanek | bknudson: we talked about some of the things i listed in my gist, but decided we could defer since they don't change the overall stragegy | 18:08 |
| dstanek | or strategy | 18:08 |
| henrynash | extreme support says: | 18:08 |
| henrynash | 1) We keep the current driver and the n-1 driver in tree, all the code etc. | 18:08 |
| bknudson | we're going to need the n-1 driver for testing | 18:09 |
| henrynash | 2) We support different SQL models between the drivers, if teh new one has changed | 18:09 |
| bknudson | SQL model assumes the driver is SQL... not sure what that has to do with it | 18:09 |
| henrynash | 3) we (somehow) allow db_sync to be directed to upgrade to the right model based on driver version choice | 18:09 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: the current review copies the old SQL driver (including model) so that someone can use it if they wanted | 18:10 |
| bknudson | how did SQL get mixed in with this? | 18:10 |
| henrynash | bknudson: so I am assuming (maybe incorrectly) that custom drivers are not necessarily just differnet backend technologies, but could be a modified version of our own SQL driver, say | 18:11 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: essentially all of our V8 assignment drivers are being supported for one more release; i would rather not do this and just support the V8 interface | 18:11 |
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| bknudson | the database schema is for the keystone sql driver. If someone wants a custom driver that uses their own database schema then they need to write their own migrations and models | 18:11 |
| bknudson | y, it's just the interface that we say is supported | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | but what if we change the shema and the new version wants to use the new schema? | 18:11 |
| bknudson | that implies the old drivers will still work. | 18:12 |
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| bknudson | (in the SQL case, the old drivers with our old schema) | 18:12 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: i address that in the gist | 18:12 |
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| dstanek | adapt the old driver | 18:12 |
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| lbragstad | dstanek ah, gotcha | 18:12 |
| notmorgan | the versioned drivers was really about the interface itself that keystone communicates to. | 18:12 |
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| notmorgan | if the backend datastore has to change, you need to adapt t it. but the driver interface keystone expects would remain consistent | 18:13 |
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| henrynash | bknudson, notmorgan: Ok, so that’s a useful clarification….and I think this get’s much simpler in thatcase | 18:13 |
| notmorgan | if somoene is subclassing the SQL driver and we change the schema... thye kindof are on their own there - there be dragons | 18:13 |
| ayoung | henrynash, its to keep people from me doing things like breaking Dreamhost's custom in house Identity driver | 18:13 |
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| ayoung | again | 18:14 |
| notmorgan | but in reality, i expect someone to write their own (mongo?) data store for this, and therefore wouldn't hit the "the schema changed" issue | 18:14 |
| notmorgan | or the like | 18:14 |
| dstanek | sounds like most agree with the concepts from my gist then.... if that's the case i'll put the content into our documentation to clarify this | 18:15 |
| henrynash | notmorgan: and I agree with that….and if we are all agreed that we are NOT trying to ensure someons sub-classed n-1 SQL driver will magically work, then I think we have a clearer way forward | 18:15 |
| henrynash | dtsanek: agreed | 18:15 |
| ayoung | notmorgan, henrynash so, to make explicit; we will start a new version of a driver at the start of a cycle (or when required) and that version will stay open for changes for the durecation of that release, to be closed to modification upon RC1? | 18:15 |
| bknudson | so the manager is going to have to check if the driver is V8 and if so insert the adapter | 18:15 |
| notmorgan | henrynash: aboslutely on point - never try and be magical with the datastore. if they subclass they take on the risks of subclassing | 18:15 |
| henrynash | bknudson: yes | 18:16 |
| dstanek | bknudson: i think that's the best approach. otherwise you'd sprinkle in versioned code all over the manager | 18:16 |
| shaleh | notmorgan: we should be clear about that in comments and documentation | 18:16 |
| topol | o/ | 18:16 |
| notmorgan | shaleh: yes | 18:16 |
| dstanek | when V8 isn't supported then delete the V8 adapter | 18:16 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: ++ | 18:16 |
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| dstanek | shaleh: yes, post meeting i'll work on that | 18:17 |
| henrynash | ok, I think we have agreement on direction…dstanek and I can take it from here | 18:17 |
| dstanek | #action dstanek to update the documentation | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | so all we need to have is a v(X-1) -> vX adapter (where X is the current version) | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | but we also need to keep a copy of the old drivers (as you're doing) so tht we can test the adapter, right ? | 18:18 |
| samueldmq | henrynash: ^ | 18:18 |
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| henrynash | samueldmq: yes, that is probably true….. | 18:18 |
| stevemar | henrynash and dstanek thanks for championing this effort | 18:18 |
| samueldmq | henrynash: nice | 18:18 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: ++ | 18:18 |
| dstanek | samueldmq: keeping the copy is a case by case, i think. we need enough to guanarantee the adapter works to fulfill the contract | 18:18 |
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| stevemar | next topic time | 18:19 |
| dstanek | i'd rather not over constrain because that may stop good ideas from appearing | 18:19 |
| ayoung | notmorgan, henrynash so, to make explicit; we will start a new version of a driver at the start of a cycle (or when required) and that version will stay open for changes for the durecation of that release, to be closed to modification upon RC1? | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | I'd like a yay/nay on tyhat | 18:19 |
| ayoung | that | 18:19 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: I agree... if we are just removing some methods (this case) perhaps we don't need a copy, but I'd take that as the general rule for simplicity | 18:19 |
| henrynash | ayoung: yes (although RC1 or M3 might be debatable) | 18:19 |
| ayoung | agreed | 18:20 |
| dstanek | ayoung: yes | 18:20 |
| ayoung | thanks | 18:20 |
| stevemar | ayoung: i think that is agreeable | 18:20 |
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| stevemar | #topic Call for keystone-spec reviews | 18:20 |
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| ayoung | HMT time? | 18:20 |
| ayoung | Ah... | 18:20 |
| stevemar | ayoung: this will be quick | 18:20 |
| dstanek | hyper multi threading? | 18:21 |
| stevemar | please review specs! if you do, i will buy you beer and puppies | 18:21 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: hypercube magical time? | 18:21 |
| dstanek | sold! | 18:21 |
| stevemar | Mitaka-1 ends around Dec 1-3 | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | stevemar i'll hold you to that! | 18:21 |
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| henrynash | stevemar: action: stevemar to buy beer and puppies | 18:21 |
| stevemar | notmorgan: i think we usually have a spec freeze after m1? | 18:22 |
| xek_ | lbragstad, I think I addressed your comments in the online schema migration spec | 18:22 |
| dstanek | stevemar: is that 1 beer per review (or 2)? | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | I'll take a chocolate lab and a IPA, please | 18:22 |
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| notmorgan | stevemar: i always drove for that freeze | 18:22 |
| marekd | dstanek: depending if you voted abs(1) or abs(2) | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | xek_ awesome, I'll be sure to take another look today | 18:22 |
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| stevemar | *amounts of beer and puppies are up for debate later | 18:22 |
| notmorgan | stevemar: but you're the PTL you get to make policy here :) | 18:22 |
| stevemar | notmorgan: cool | 18:22 |
| stevemar | so we'll keep it the same :) | 18:22 |
| dstanek | stevemar: there are lots of old specs | 18:22 |
| stevemar | m1 is spec freeze | 18:22 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: there are | 18:22 |
| ayoung | M1 Will work for me, but then, I've pushed my specs through already, so that would be selfish of me | 18:22 |
| stevemar | i've tried to highlight ones here: https://gist.github.com/stevemart/46d664e486e2edce4972 | 18:23 |
| * notmorgan is not submitting specs...sooo | 18:23 | |
| topol | stevemar when is m1 again? | 18:23 |
| * notmorgan has no horse in this race | 18:23 | |
| marekd | dec 3 | 18:23 |
| stevemar | topol: dec 1-3 | 18:23 |
| dstanek | should we abandon without prejudice? | 18:23 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: i like abandoning with predjudice | 18:23 |
| stevemar | dstanek: if you feel the need, go ahead | 18:23 |
| topol | well now I know how I am spemding my thanksgiving... reviewing! | 18:23 |
| ayoung | dstanek, all specs should be proposed against backlog. We can always approve backlogged specs, just they don't get commitmnet for Mitaka | 18:23 |
| stevemar | i would like it if we concentrated on ones we spoke about at the summit | 18:23 |
| dstanek | stevemar: great. i'll go ahead to walk you gist and get reviewing | 18:23 |
| notmorgan | topol: you know you'd do it anyway (and you like it) | 18:24 |
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| topol | notmorgan :-) | 18:24 |
| stevemar | prioritize specs that are targeting mitaka and not backlog | 18:24 |
| ayoung | BTW. Can I get a vote on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244694/ and, if the team agrees to it, I willremove the -2 | 18:24 |
| dstanek | ayoung: yeah, we just have to decide if it's something that we'd want to support | 18:24 |
| breton | stevemar: that's a freeze for mitaka/, not for backlog, right? | 18:25 |
| stevemar | breton: yep | 18:25 |
| breton | great | 18:25 |
| dstanek | topol: i have family stuff. so yeah, reviewing will keep me sane | 18:25 |
| stevemar | thank you for your reviews in advance :) | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | ayoung dstanek I had a bunch of questions on that one | 18:26 |
| davechen | is the spec from backlog approved , still can get the code in? | 18:26 |
| topol | buckeyes lost, yellow jackets stink. football season is over anyway | 18:26 |
| stevemar | okay, HMT time, i'll give you guys a heads up when it's wrap up time, there is a lot on the list | 18:26 |
| ayoung | ok | 18:26 |
| ayoung | short bit on HMT: | 18:26 |
| stevemar | #topic Hierarchical Naming | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | We make it possible to make URLS out of the names | 18:26 |
| stevemar | davechen: depends on the impact | 18:27 |
| davechen | gotcha. | 18:27 |
| ayoung | to do that, a domain (and possibley prject) name is URL safe | 18:27 |
| marekd | ayoung: ++ | 18:27 |
| stevemar | davechen: functional testing, np. huge function, mehh, we'll have to discuss :) | 18:27 |
| henrynash | See proposal: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248083/ | 18:27 |
| ayoung | no / no @ no characters that mess up a URL scheme | 18:27 |
| ayoung | we make it a config option to go strict | 18:27 |
| ayoung | if you go strict, then all non-complying domains get disabled | 18:28 |
| ayoung | its an opt in | 18:28 |
| shaleh | ayoung: why not support &entity; style escaping? | 18:28 |
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| ayoung | but you need to opt in in order to get HTM naming | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | henrynash: ayoung: what's the advantage of making names URL-safe ? | 18:28 |
| bknudson | URLs use %xx | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | is that we can easily pick a separator for representing the hierarhcy ? | 18:28 |
| ayoung | shaleh, we can make that a potential porting technique, but the short is we don' | 18:28 |
| shaleh | bknudson: right, thanks | 18:28 |
| henrynash | samueldmq: so we can, eventually, say: auth on domain/projectA/projectB | 18:28 |
| henrynash | or something liek that | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | t want to chage OS_DOMAIN_NAME, OS_PROJECT_DOMAIN_NAME env vras and the like, so the integration with everything else still works | 18:29 |
| samueldmq | henrynash: so yes, we can easily pick / as the separator for representing the hierarchy | 18:29 |
| marekd | henrynash: so a separator would be hardcoded, say '/' | 18:29 |
| ayoung | so if I have a domain named customers | 18:29 |
| samueldmq | henrynash: that was my only remaining question on that | 18:29 |
| ayoung | I can make a domain named customers/pepsi and customers/coke | 18:29 |
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| shaleh | in general I like this proposal. But, there are sure to be people out there that it impacts. Which is why some form of escaping for existing coupled with checks on new would be a good idea. | 18:29 |
| ayoung | and use that full name in the env vars etc | 18:29 |
| dstanek | having a / as a separator feels like it would make routes hard to write | 18:29 |
| henrynash | marekd: the current proposal does not specifiy what separator we use, just that we enbale that support in the future | 18:30 |
| marekd | henrynash: i am talking long term - we would eventually choose something, probably '/' | 18:30 |
| henrynash | marekd: sure | 18:30 |
| raildo | I'd rather choose the separator as a config option | 18:30 |
| ayoung | shaleh, since it would be a top level name...we might be able to work out some escaping, but the user would have to only use the escaped version | 18:30 |
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| notmorgan | i like using the ASCII Bell character as the delimiter... | 18:30 |
| notmorgan | >.> | 18:30 |
| shaleh | ayoung: agreed | 18:30 |
| henrynash | raildo: thats fine, but not part of this spec | 18:30 |
| ayoung | so if they had red/hat it would become red%whateverhat | 18:31 |
| marekd | a dot is acceptable? | 18:31 |
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| shaleh | ayoung: we could provide library assistance for that easily enough | 18:31 |
| raildo | henrynash: yeap, I know but I'm just saying :P | 18:31 |
| ayoung | marekd, I think it is | 18:31 |
| henrynash | the only thing this spec does is provide a path to get domains and projects to NOT use anu url reserved charcacters | 18:31 |
| ayoung | you can do http://hostname/this.is.my.url | 18:31 |
| samueldmq | henrynash: +1 from me | 18:31 |
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| topol | raildo would making the separator a config option make interoperability more problematic? | 18:32 |
| ayoung | and a relatvie url with this.is.my.url/test.html | 18:32 |
| marekd | ayoung: ++ i like dot as it more reflects dns | 18:32 |
| ayoung | topol, its not the separateo that is up for discussion | 18:32 |
| marekd | ayoung: ++ | 18:32 |
| ayoung | the domain nesting will be URL based | 18:32 |
| henrynash | I would suggest, in the interests of time, we defere debate on teh separator itself…it is not part of the spec up for review here | 18:32 |
| topol | ayoung agreed but a question to ponder over turkey | 18:32 |
| topol | agreed | 18:32 |
| samueldmq | henrynash: ++ | 18:32 |
| dstanek | henrynash: ++ | 18:33 |
| raildo | topol: we can discuss later about it :) | 18:33 |
| stevemar | so why was this not included in the initial HMT stuff? | 18:33 |
| marekd | henrynash: ayoung ok, so i think it was not super clear from the spec that enabling this naming convention (names url safe) automatically disable non compliant domains/projects | 18:33 |
| ayoung | henrynash, so, it sounds like you and I are in sync? Let me know if htere are any other goblins hiding that you've spirited out, ok? | 18:33 |
| shaleh | as voice for the end-user, I like this spec we just need to make it easy on ops and users to comply | 18:33 |
| ayoung | marekd, if not, we need to put it in bold and underline it | 18:33 |
| stevemar | why are we just bringing it up now? | 18:33 |
| ayoung | stevemar, we tried back then | 18:34 |
| dstanek | henrynash: so are you wanting to encode names or force the name to be urlsafe? | 18:34 |
| marekd | ayoung: that's my observation | 18:34 |
| henrynash | marekd: it states that you can’t issue any tokens scoped by name to url-unsafe named projects/domains if you opt in | 18:34 |
| ayoung | but I think we were thinking about it backwards...the realization was that it woudl be opt in, not that all current domains would work | 18:34 |
| raildo | stevemar: he have discussed about it a lot of times here... and right now, we have a patch to handle with clash names, | 18:34 |
| marekd | henrynash: maybe i missed it then. | 18:34 |
| marekd | thanks | 18:34 |
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| henrynash | dtsanek: we make them only use url-safe names | 18:34 |
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| stevemar | so the point of this is so i can specify a nested project? | 18:34 |
| marekd | hierarchy | 18:35 |
| ayoung | marekd, I think we also need to make it explicit that domain nesting only works with url-safe names enabled | 18:35 |
| marekd | ayoung: sure | 18:35 |
| ayoung | stevemar, a nested domain | 18:35 |
| topol | ayoung +++ | 18:35 |
| henrynash | stevemar: yes (or maybe even a nested domain, if we ever do that) | 18:35 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: because we hadn't thought about it ? maybe the same case as we hand't tought about the inherited assignments and hierarchical projects properly | 18:35 |
| dstanek | so basically something like: [a-zA-Z0-9\-_] and a few other chars? | 18:35 |
| ayoung | stevemar, it might be extensible to nesting projcts, too, but that is a longer reach | 18:35 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: maybe just a lack of eyes on that at the time :/ | 18:35 |
| ayoung | dstanek, I think so | 18:35 |
| ayoung | we can start cautious, and then open it up | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | easier than being to permissive, as we've found | 18:35 |
| topol | ayoung +++ | 18:36 |
| dstanek | iirc there are a lot of urlsafe chars | 18:36 |
| stevemar | i'm just concerned about all these changes to our base API | 18:36 |
| davechen | dstanek: ++ | 18:36 |
| dstanek | ayoung: totally agree | 18:36 |
| ayoung | stevemar, no API changes here by default | 18:36 |
| henrynash | dtsanek: yes, we exclude those specifed as reserved chars in the URL spec | 18:36 |
| dstanek | stevemar: are there api changes or just new constraints for the data? | 18:36 |
| ayoung | its opt in | 18:36 |
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| topol | hopefully just new constraints | 18:36 |
| stevemar | ayoung: OK, not new API changes, but additional logic in the controller that handles those APIs | 18:37 |
| henrynash | stevemar: not with the spec, no | 18:37 |
| ayoung | sounds like we have a plan. We can work the rest out in the review process. please prioritize. | 18:37 |
| ayoung | I'm going to ask for a spec review exception for this right now. | 18:37 |
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| dstanek | FYI rfc3986 says: unreserved = ALPHA / DIGIT / "-" / "." / "_" / "~" | 18:38 |
| henrynash | stevemar: if we chose to extent auth to accept a hierarchy name, then yes, but only in trh processing of teh name field | 18:38 |
| ayoung | I think we can parallelize the implementation with the spec, but don't want to rush it | 18:38 |
| henrynash | dstanek: yep | 18:38 |
| raildo | dstanek: nice | 18:38 |
| ayoung | dstanek, I'm ok with starting with just those characters. | 18:38 |
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| shaleh | that brings us back to '/' as a separator. Is that an issue with routes? | 18:38 |
| stevemar | shaleh: probably | 18:39 |
| shaleh | '.' is an allowed character so we cannot use that | 18:39 |
| ayoung | shaleh, yes, but we can make it work. | 18:39 |
| dstanek | we could use , | 18:39 |
| topol | ayoung how? | 18:39 |
| shaleh | dstanek: eeewww, visually hard to make out | 18:39 |
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| topol | shaleh, I agree eeeww | 18:40 |
| ayoung | topol, its python code. Its only going to be one API. I don't know *how* but I know we *can* | 18:40 |
| dstanek | shaleh: then ..,.? | 18:40 |
| shaleh | '|' is always popular | 18:40 |
| ayoung | but we can make the mapper code deal with a/b/c/d | 18:40 |
| dstanek | shaleh: we'd have to encode that | 18:40 |
| stevemar | defer the conversation about the delimiter | 18:40 |
| stevemar | we've got a full list | 18:40 |
| shaleh | fair | 18:41 |
| henrynash | again, let’s not debate the separator….we get to chose any url reserverd cahr | 18:41 |
| * notmorgan votes ಠ_ಠ as the delimiter | 18:41 | |
| dstanek | we should debate this with the spec that proposes the delimiter! | 18:41 |
| topol | agreed | 18:41 |
| notmorgan | (that was commentary on the convo needs to move on btw) | 18:41 |
| ayoung | what do you guys mean delimeter? | 18:41 |
| stevemar | #topic filtering service providers with endpoint filter | 18:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "filtering service providers with endpoint filter (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:41 | |
| ayoung | (continue after meeting in #Keystone) | 18:41 |
| bknudson | we don't have nested domains really so no need for delimiter | 18:41 |
| stevemar | marekd: ^ | 18:41 |
| stevemar | is there something that needed to be hashed out here instead of the spec? | 18:42 |
| notmorgan | bknudson: ++ no nested domains. | 18:42 |
| marekd | ok | 18:42 |
| stevemar | is marekd online? | 18:42 |
| henrynash | bknudson: there are plentt of reasons to do this, ignoring the domain issue | 18:42 |
| marekd | i am | 18:42 |
| marekd | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188534/8/specs/backlog/service-providers-filters.rst so for this spec | 18:42 |
| stevemar | marekd: the podium is yours | 18:42 |
| dstanek | with HMT don't we get nested domains? | 18:43 |
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| marekd | some reviewers inclined endpoint filtering might be not "ready to use" as service_providers are not in the service catalog. Just wanted to hear your opinions - maybe we should just add another api and make it work as we would like to from the beginning? | 18:43 |
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| dstanek | oh, wait no.. nm me | 18:44 |
| stevemar | hmm, they aren't in the service catalog are they | 18:44 |
| marekd | they arent | 18:44 |
| notmorgan | didn't we add them to the top level? | 18:44 |
| marekd | notmorgan: we did | 18:45 |
| * notmorgan might be misremembering | 18:45 | |
| stevemar | they are in the token body, at the same level as the service catalog, i think | 18:45 |
| shaleh | marekd: I like the idea of a filter for them. I am just not sold that endpoint filtering is the way to go. | 18:45 |
| marekd | shaleh: cool, so this is the perfect timing for a discussion :) | 18:45 |
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| shaleh | marekd: agreed :-) | 18:46 |
| bknudson | unscoped tokens don't include the service providers? | 18:46 |
| marekd | i personally thin an admin should be able to tie a service provider with a project, domain (for domain scoped token) but also "all projects in a domain" | 18:46 |
| dstanek | seems like a new service provider filtering concept | 18:46 |
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| marekd | bknudson: notremembering now, but today we simply fetch all service providers and return them in the token response. | 18:47 |
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| marekd | so this might also be athe case for unscoped token | 18:47 |
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| bknudson | so for unscoped tokens there's nothing to filter on. | 18:47 |
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| ayoung | marekd, only list SPs for Unscoped? | 18:47 |
| bknudson | maybe the projects that the user has roles on | 18:47 |
| marekd | ayoung: you don't want to list all sps to everyone | 18:47 |
| marekd | you don't want your pepsi clients expose that coke is your client too | 18:48 |
| ayoung | correct. So unscoped seems like the wrong abstraction | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 18:48 |
| marekd | you dont want them think they may burst there... | 18:48 |
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| ayoung | its public vs private Idps, just for K2K | 18:48 |
| shaleh | ayoung: ++ | 18:48 |
| stevemar | ayoung: seems like it | 18:48 |
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| marekd | ayoung: more or less....(less) | 18:48 |
| ayoung | so...they should be associated with proejcts | 18:49 |
| marekd | yes | 18:49 |
| ayoung | which is what endpoint filtering is doing | 18:49 |
| marekd | but also domains and "all projects in a domain" | 18:49 |
| ayoung | so...lets expand that API to handle SPs seems like the most sane approach? | 18:49 |
| shaleh | but how are you associating a SP's endpoint with an IdP's project? | 18:49 |
| bknudson | did endpoint filtering ever get expanded to domains? | 18:49 |
| stevemar | marekd: i'm okay with abusing endpoint filtering for service providers | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | lets not expand anything to domains that we don't have to | 18:50 |
| marekd | stevemar: so extending it, right? | 18:50 |
| stevemar | marekd: yeah | 18:50 |
| bknudson | it might happen automatically when we change domains to projects | 18:50 |
| marekd | stevemar: cool | 18:50 |
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| marekd | ah, pity samuel is not here | 18:50 |
| lbragstad | ~ 10 minutes left | 18:50 |
| stevemar | marekd: are the API changes and spec changes in the same patch? | 18:50 |
| marekd | stevemar: not yet | 18:50 |
| stevemar | thanks lbragstad | 18:50 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, ++ | 18:51 |
| marekd | stevemar: i can add | 18:51 |
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| marekd | ok, dont want to use more tim.e | 18:51 |
| stevemar | marekd: start writing them out, i'd be curious to see what happens as you go | 18:51 |
| marekd | stevemar: OK | 18:51 |
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| stevemar | i think we might be mis-remembering something | 18:51 |
| stevemar | anywho | 18:51 |
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| marekd | like? | 18:51 |
| stevemar | marekd: not sure! | 18:51 |
| stevemar | #topic Dropping python 2.6 support | 18:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Dropping python 2.6 support (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:51 | |
| stevemar | bknudson | 18:51 |
| dstanek | marekd: i'd love to see the documentation changes earlier than the code if possible... | 18:51 |
| notmorgan | yes! drop it! | 18:52 |
| bknudson | in case you missed the mailing list discussion | 18:52 |
| notmorgan | make it go away | 18:52 |
| notmorgan | >.> | 18:52 |
| shaleh | die die die py26 | 18:52 |
| bknudson | infra stopped testing with py26 | 18:52 |
| stevemar | this seems like an easy one | 18:52 |
| bknudson | and oslo libs already stopped advertising support for it | 18:52 |
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| bknudson | so there's some work to do in the repos to stop advertising support for 2.6 | 18:52 |
| stevemar | 1) get rid of the job, 2) clean tox.ini 3) clean up any py26 specific code we have (we probably have a lot) | 18:52 |
| bknudson | if anybody wants to sign up to do it ... | 18:52 |
| ayoung | DIE PYTHON2.6 DIE | 18:53 |
| bknudson | otherwise I'll add it to my list | 18:53 |
| davechen | is there anything left in keystone? | 18:53 |
| notmorgan | stevemar: open a tracking bug for cleanup of this stuff i think | 18:53 |
| stevemar | any takers? give bknudson a break to eat some turkey | 18:53 |
| notmorgan | and then anyone can do it | 18:53 |
| stevemar | notmorgan: that would be great | 18:53 |
| dstanek | bknudson: i'll do some | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | notmorgan ++ | 18:53 |
| davechen | iirc, py26 has been removed from dependency list. | 18:53 |
| shaleh | bknudson: I can help out | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | i can give a hand too | 18:53 |
| breton | davechen: nope, keystone is py26-free | 18:53 |
| notmorgan | and it can just have bits done at a time. i'll open the bug shortly | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | navid_ around? | 18:53 |
| navid_ | yea | 18:53 |
| bknudson | ok, I'll assume people are going to work on it. Add me to the reviews | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | navid_ would that be something you're interested in, too? | 18:54 |
| stevemar | just remember to use Partial-Bug: blah | 18:54 |
| dstanek | bknudson: consider yourself added | 18:54 |
| shaleh | stevemar: do we have a bug yet? | 18:54 |
| stevemar | tjcocozz might be interested too :P | 18:54 |
| stevemar | shaleh: not yet, notmorgan is opening one as we speak... err type | 18:54 |
| navid_ | @lbragtad: sure, we can discuss afterwards | 18:54 |
| bknudson | there's plenty of examples in oslo repos | 18:54 |
| stevemar | next! | 18:54 |
| stevemar | #topic Reno for other repos | 18:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reno for other repos (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:54 | |
| stevemar | i don't want this | 18:54 |
| stevemar | this is overkill for libraries | 18:55 |
| stevemar | is oslo doing this? dhellmann dims_ ? | 18:55 |
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| bknudson | yes, oslo is doing this as far as I know | 18:55 |
| stevemar | ughhhhhhh | 18:55 |
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| dims_ | stevemar : we were talking about it. haven't decided yet | 18:55 |
| stevemar | but i dont wannnaaaaa | 18:55 |
| ayoung | If you kill a man in Reno, they don't send yo to Folsom St. Penn...yougo to jail in Nevada | 18:55 |
| bknudson | e.g., https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249329/ | 18:55 |
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| notmorgan | stevemar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1519449 | 18:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1519449 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Remove Python 2.6 Support" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Keystone Drivers (keystone-drivers) | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | stevemar we only want to use reno for keystone server? | 18:56 |
| bknudson | oh, the discussion is ongoing | 18:56 |
| dims_ | bknudson : see the -W | 18:56 |
| dims_ | y | 18:56 |
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| stevemar | thanks notmorgan | 18:56 |
| ayoung | link to "why reno?" please. | 18:56 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: let's wait and see what comes out from the oslo discussion | 18:56 |
| stevemar | i'd really prefer to not have to do reno for libraries | 18:56 |
| notmorgan | lbragstad: reno doesn't make sense (i think) for the libs. | 18:56 |
| bknudson | reno is to generate release notes, so that users will know what changed | 18:56 |
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| stevemar | but we'll go with the flow | 18:57 |
| bknudson | e.g., what new features have been added | 18:57 |
| topol | so um who was pushing reno? | 18:57 |
| stevemar | topol: release mgnt ream | 18:57 |
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| stevemar | team* | 18:57 |
| dstanek | notmorgan: use that bug for all of the libs? | 18:57 |
| dims_ | topol : release team is trying to evaluate | 18:57 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: yeah will add the libs now | 18:57 |
| stevemar | topol: it's great for the server stuff, instead of a wiki | 18:57 |
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| topol | anyone else actually really using it | 18:57 |
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| stevemar | topol: it just started | 18:57 |
| dstanek | notmorgan: cool. thx | 18:58 |
| dims_ | topol Nova has | 18:58 |
| stevemar | topol: we get pretty release notes like: http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/keystone/unreleased.html | 18:58 |
| stevemar | bknudson: we can chat about libraries in -keystone | 18:58 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: sorry we didn't get to that last topic | 18:58 |
| bknudson | ok, we'll see where the rest of openstack goes | 18:58 |
| ayoung | please lock the python-keystoneclient repo, but leave it a round since old versions of the code will point to it | 18:58 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: did I miss any? | 18:58 |
| ayoung | same with SAML | 18:58 |
| ayoung | don;t delete the repos. | 18:59 |
| stevemar | ayoung: we won't, they'll go in the attic | 18:59 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: ok added pycadf too | 18:59 |
| ayoung | so long as the links still work, I'm OK | 18:59 |
| dstanek | notmorgan: do pycadf, ks-auth policy have 2.6? | 18:59 |
| ayoung | with it | 18:59 |
| stevemar | ayoung: links may not work... | 18:59 |
| davechen | stevemar: the release note is a little confusion, you put a bug link there but say it's a feature. | 18:59 |
| stevemar | davechen: new options are available | 19:00 |
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| davechen | and properly, we will has lot of features in the releasenote after the end of the cyle. | 19:00 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 19:00:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-11-24-17.59.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-11-24-17.59.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-11-24-17.59.log.html | 19:00 |
| fungi | infra team, assemble! | 19:00 |
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| AJaeger | \o/ | 19:00 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | hello | 19:00 |
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| stevemar | hi infra! | 19:00 |
| stevemar | keystone team, disassemble! | 19:00 |
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| notmorgan | stevemar: minions! | 19:01 |
| jeblair | o/ | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 24 19:01:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| zaro | o/ | 19:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #info Many thanks to pleia2 for chairing last week! | 19:01 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
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| mordred | s/mach/macht/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | #info The gerrit 2.11 upgrade scheduled for last Wednesday (November 18) was indefinitely postponed pending completion of a thorough rollback plan and one pending OpenID redirect URL fix. | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079769.html | 19:01 |
| yolanda | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/245598 | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #link https://code.google.com/p/gerrit/issues/detail?id=3365 | 19:01 |
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| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | oh good, someone told fungi we didn't upgrade :) | 19:02 |
| fungi | any other announcements before i move on to other topics? | 19:02 |
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| mordred | jeblair: wait, we didn't? | 19:02 |
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| jesusaurus | o/ | 19:02 |
| mordred | fungi: ansible 2.0 is in rc1 now | 19:02 |
| jeblair | mordred: (new gerrit looks _a lot_ like the old gerrit) | 19:02 |
| fungi | mordred: neat--what are the implications for us? | 19:02 |
| mordred | fungi: so, it's a thing to keep our eyes on, as I believe our servers will upgrade when it releases | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:02 |
| mordred | fungi: it SHOULD have zero effect | 19:02 |
| mordred | fungi: I've poked at our playbooks and everything _should_ be solid | 19:03 |
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| fungi | so implication is something other than massively broken, we hope | 19:03 |
| mordred | but still - just keep eyes out | 19:03 |
| mordred | yah | 19:03 |
| mordred | they've done a good job with it | 19:03 |
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| notmorgan | yay ansible 2.0 being good! | 19:03 |
| clarkb | I had a tes tchange in d-g to make sure d-g won't break either | 19:03 |
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| fungi | #info Be on the lookout for ansible 2.0 release in case we see any automation fallout resulting. | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-11-17-19.00.html | 19:04 |
| fungi | there were none, all executed successfully! | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| fungi | phschwartz has a spec to extend openstackci, but i've taken its proposal off the current agenda since it seems to still have some unaddressed comments | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/239810 | 19:04 |
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| fungi | add it back to the agenda when it's ready for council voting again' | 19:04 |
| phschwartz | fungi: correct, I am addressing the last comments currently | 19:04 |
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| fungi | thanks for bearing with us! | 19:05 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Gerrit 2.11 Upgrade | 19:05 |
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| fungi | now is the time on sprockets when we dance... | 19:05 |
| fungi | zaro: mordred: any status on fixing the rollback plan, and guesses at a timeline for a fix/workaround to the openid url bug? | 19:05 |
| * mordred has not touched it - zaro - any luck in getting a happy reproduction of the rollback with changes past the data overlap? | 19:06 | |
| asselin | o/ | 19:06 |
| anteaya | zaro has a test instance up that I am playing with | 19:06 |
| zaro | yeah, i got a working post rollback site. | 19:06 |
| anteaya | I have no conclusions as of yet, just getting oriented | 19:06 |
| zaro | anteaya is testing it now | 19:06 |
| mordred | cool! | 19:06 |
| anteaya | anyone else want to help test? | 19:07 |
| zaro | the only issue is in regards to sortkey getting removed in 2.9 | 19:07 |
| clarkb | zaro: thats an issue with the rollback? | 19:07 |
| fungi | sounds like we probably want to put off discussions of a rescheduled window until these last known details are ironed out | 19:07 |
| anteaya | #link explaination of sortkey getting removed in this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245598/ | 19:07 |
| zaro | I think that's just used to put changes in some order from a query. | 19:07 |
| zaro | clarkb: yes | 19:07 |
| zaro | I'm not sure what we want to do there. | 19:08 |
| fungi | same change i linked in the announcements, fwiw | 19:08 |
| anteaya | sorry | 19:08 |
| zaro | there are probably a few things we can do to fix it | 19:08 |
| zaro | or make it work | 19:08 |
| clarkb | zaro: _david_'s suggestion seems like the most correct? | 19:09 |
| jeblair | clarkb: ++ | 19:09 |
| clarkb | basically make sort keys for any new changes | 19:09 |
| zaro | yes, i believe so | 19:09 |
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| zaro | what i did was just put a duplicate key in the table and reindex worked. | 19:09 |
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| cody-somerville | \o | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | https://gerrit.googlesource.com/gerrit/+/e800b1e0f3452e5be1537a67f1fa3e44a58c6dda/gerrit-server/src/main/java/com/google/gerrit/server/ChangeUtil.java#181 | 19:10 |
| jeblair | oh that looks like we could probably even make a quick python script to do it? | 19:10 |
| mordred | oh | 19:10 |
| jeblair | maybe even a sql query? | 19:10 |
| mordred | I could do that in sql | 19:10 |
| mordred | yea | 19:10 |
| mordred | in the downgrade script | 19:10 |
| mordred | it's just a simple data manipulation | 19:11 |
| fungi | yep, my only objection was to the suggestion that we could consider not writing it until we discover we need to use it | 19:11 |
| zaro | cool! | 19:11 |
| jeblair | mordred: sql++ | 19:11 |
| mordred | "The encoding uses minutes since Wed Oct 1 00:00:00 2008 UTC." | 19:11 |
| mordred | WHAT???? | 19:11 |
| mordred | come on guys | 19:11 |
| clarkb | mordred: yay | 19:11 |
| fungi | it's the "new epoch!" | 19:11 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 19:11 |
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| jesusaurus | epoch 2.0? | 19:11 |
| jeblair | i measure time from when sortkey was removed | 19:11 |
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| fungi | also known as "gerrit crazypants time" | 19:11 |
| anteaya | hey jhesketh | 19:11 |
| clarkb | fungi: Gerrit Standard Time | 19:12 |
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| zaro | mordred: would you like to come up with something? then i can test it? | 19:13 |
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| mordred | zaro: yes. I will writ eyou some lovely sql | 19:14 |
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| zaro | lovely then.. | 19:14 |
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| fungi | okay, so it _sounds_ like we'll probably have that sorted and retested by next week's meeting | 19:15 |
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| zaro | regarding the other issue.. gerrit url redirect | 19:15 |
| fungi | the openid redirect issue was also brought up as an upgrade blocker though, roght? | 19:15 |
| fungi | yeah that | 19:15 |
| clarkb | I am not sure it has to be a blocker but it is quite annoying | 19:15 |
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| clarkb | I am happy with revert of change that breaks it until upstream figures it out | 19:15 |
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| krotscheck | o/ | 19:15 |
| Clint | o/ | 19:15 |
| anteaya | I also can live with revert of change that breaks it | 19:16 |
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| zaro | the info is up on the bug #link https://code.google.com/p/gerrit/issues/detail?id=3365 | 19:16 |
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| fungi | (also #link'd in the announcements part of the meeting, for reference_ | 19:16 |
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| zaro | my lack of knowledge regarding apache rewrite config is shining thru here. | 19:16 |
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| zaro | i'm hoping hugo either reverts or finds some sort of fix in the current code. | 19:17 |
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| zaro | i'm we are open to changing our apache config, that might be an option as well. | 19:17 |
| zaro | *i'm/we | 19:17 |
| fungi | so as a way forward, we would backport a revert of that change and build our custom war with the revert in place if it ends up being the only blocker and we can't fix it in apache? | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | we are open to changing our config but not at the expense of those features | 19:18 |
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| clarkb | I have attempted to fix in apache | 19:18 |
| anteaya | +1 what fungi said | 19:18 |
| fungi | as have i | 19:18 |
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| zaro | can we change our config while keeping the rewrite rules? | 19:18 |
| clarkb | the trouble there appears to be that http://foo.openstack.org// is treated as foo.openstack.org/ in many situations | 19:18 |
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| fungi | i hacked on possible workarounds for a while back when we first encountered it last may | 19:19 |
| clarkb | zaro: that is what we have tried and nothing works and I think its due to ^ | 19:19 |
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| clarkb | I turned on rewrite debug logging and it wasn't 100% clear but it seemed like we weren't matching // because raisins | 19:19 |
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| clarkb | and its possibly my apache regex foo was just bad | 19:19 |
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| fungi | so i guess due diligence should include testing review-dev with a custom-built 2.11.x war with that commit reverted just to make sure it's not hiding other problems | 19:20 |
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| anteaya | makes sense | 19:20 |
| zaro | is there a way to use both 'ProxyPass / http://127.0.0.1:8081/ nocanon' with our current rewrite rules? | 19:20 |
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| zaro | fungi: ++ | 19:20 |
| anteaya | zaro: happy to keep testing things you serve up | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | zaro: no | 19:20 |
| notmorgan | clarkb: if you need any help with apache regex i'm happy to take a gander - but i trust your regex foo. | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | the ProxyPass rule is going to proxy everything | 19:21 |
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| zaro | ok. i'll install a revert of that change 57800 on review-dev.o.o for testing. | 19:21 |
| fungi | notmorgan: i think it's more dealing with apache's selective application of regular expressions | 19:21 |
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| anteaya | zaro: thanks | 19:21 |
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| notmorgan | fungi: ++ | 19:22 |
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| fungi | i was also getting tripped up on the stacking order of rewrites and proxying in apache when i was trying to work around that | 19:22 |
| notmorgan | fungi: probably, but if i can help, lmk - happy to dust off my apache skills if it will mkae a difference :) | 19:22 |
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| * notmorgan used to do tons of rewrite/proxy/etc stuff for webhosting. | 19:23 | |
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| fungi | notmorgan: i believe we have an easy reproducer if you get bored and want to stand up a vm to play around with | 19:23 |
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| notmorgan | fungi: cool will ping you post meeting / zaro and look into it | 19:23 |
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| notmorgan | :) | 19:23 |
| zaro | reverted 57800 is now on review-dev.o.o | 19:23 |
| fungi | (same goes for anyone who wants to take a crack at leveraging their apache-fu) | 19:23 |
| fungi | thanks zaro! | 19:23 |
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| zaro | dimtruck: has graciously volunteer to help repro it. | 19:24 |
| dimtruck | +1 | 19:24 |
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| anteaya | dimtruck: thank you | 19:24 |
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| fungi | okay, so we're agreed we'll defer scheduling of the 2.11 upgrade until at least next tuesday's meeting? | 19:24 |
| anteaya | agreed | 19:24 |
| zaro | sure | 19:24 |
| fungi | rather, REscheduling | 19:24 |
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| fungi | #agreed Rescheduling of the Gerrit 2.11 upgrade is deferred to the next meeting while final details are worked out and suggested fixes tested. | 19:25 |
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| fungi | anything else on this topic (almost typed tapioca) before we move on? | 19:26 |
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| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:26 |
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| zaro | redirect on review-dev.o.o seems to work great for me now. | 19:26 |
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| fungi | great news | 19:26 |
| fungi | okay, next topic! | 19:26 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: maniphest migration | 19:26 |
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| fungi | ruagair has a comment in the agenda about maniphest early adopters which i didn't spot discussed in last week's log--any details on who and why? | 19:27 |
| fungi | this is more for my edification/education | 19:27 |
| * anteaya has no details on who and why | 19:27 | |
| yolanda | i got a beta access for maniphest | 19:27 |
| fungi | if he's not around and nobody knows i won't waste meeting time on it | 19:27 |
| yolanda | and GheRivero as well, to work on infra cloud | 19:27 |
| yolanda | may be that? | 19:27 |
| fungi | he says "There are a number of users already using Manifest in anger, as guinea pigs." | 19:27 |
| jeblair | oh | 19:28 |
| yolanda | maybe? | 19:28 |
| fungi | i take that to mean as (semi?)production location for tracking bugs in their projects | 19:28 |
| jeblair | i wish we'd talked about that before doing it? | 19:28 |
| fungi | same | 19:28 |
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| yolanda | i just created a project, and Ghe poked a bit, but nothing on production at the moment | 19:28 |
| yolanda | topic was raised last week on meeting | 19:28 |
| anteaya | I don't think anything was discussed about anyone using it though | 19:29 |
| fungi | okay, i'll try to sync up with him when he's awake and get some details on what that comment means | 19:29 |
| clarkb | I'm still just trying to get working mod auth openid with apache | 19:29 |
| yolanda | i would not say we use on production, but got access to poke a bit | 19:29 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: that's fine | 19:29 |
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| fungi | that would make perfect sense, of course. i'm hopefully just misinterpreting the agenda comment there | 19:29 |
| jeblair | i just don't think any project should start using it for real until we think it's ready for that | 19:29 |
| yolanda | yes, he even may not be talking of us | 19:30 |
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| fungi | #agreed Maniphest test deployment is for testing the feasibility of Maniphest, not for production use. | 19:30 |
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| mordred | yolanda: is the openid thing there and working? | 19:31 |
| yolanda | mordred,not, just a user/pass | 19:31 |
| mordred | kk | 19:31 |
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| fungi | #topic Enable Tempest for Magnum (dimtruck) | 19:31 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/248123 | 19:31 |
| dimtruck | woo hoo! yes please :) yolanda already +2'ed ... this is needed to add tempest to magnum | 19:32 |
| fungi | dimtruck: can you explain what's unusual about this change? | 19:32 |
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| dimtruck | nothing unusual. Just wanted to get it in front of cores :) | 19:32 |
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| fungi | mostly just trying to figure out why it's a meeting topic | 19:32 |
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| jeblair | dimtruck: this was not the way to do that | 19:32 |
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| dimtruck | oh, sorry about that | 19:32 |
| anteaya | dimtruck: yeah, adding it to the meeting topic isn't a good choice | 19:32 |
| hashar | o/ | 19:32 |
| dimtruck | that was one of the suggestions proposed to me. won't do it again. | 19:32 |
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| anteaya | dimtruck: can you also give that feedback to whoever proposed it to you | 19:33 |
| dimtruck | i will. | 19:33 |
| anteaya | and thanks | 19:33 |
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| fungi | yep, i thought maybe there was something happening with that change we needed to discuss as a group, but i didn't check it at all before starting the meeting. sorry about that! | 19:33 |
| fungi | #topic Translations check website (pleia2) | 19:33 |
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| pleia2 | hi there | 19:33 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2015-November/003465.html | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | so Daisy sent an email to the list ^^ | 19:33 |
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| pleia2 | I replied, but I'd really like to see others chime in to help make it possible for Daisy to get this to the finish line | 19:34 |
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| pleia2 | if there's anything I missed, references that may be helpful, etc | 19:34 |
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| pleia2 | I also wanted to mention that we never decided upon a URL for accessing this service, and none is defined in the spec, so it would be great to get some ideas | 19:34 |
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| anteaya | pleia2: what do you think is appropriate? | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/translation_check_site.html | 19:35 |
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| clarkb | i18n-devstack.openstack.org ? | 19:35 |
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| pleia2 | daisy suggested translation-test.openstack.org | 19:35 |
| anteaya | pleia2: what do you like? | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | but i18n-devstack.openstack.org or translation-devstack.o.o works too | 19:36 |
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| anteaya | why devstack in the url? | 19:36 |
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| fungi | yeah, i'd prefer not to bikeshed too much. but i'm also not keen on embedding the names of tools in domain names (in case we change the tools we use to provide them later). that said, we're pretty inconsistent between naming servers after the services they provide and naming them for the software they run | 19:36 |
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| clarkb | it seems very specific to the tool hence my suggestion | 19:37 |
| clarkb | whereas translation-test could be anything | 19:37 |
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| * pleia2 nods | 19:37 | |
| clarkb | but I don't care strongly enogh to want one over the other that strongly | 19:37 |
| clarkb | either will work | 19:37 |
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| clarkb | so daisy's suggestion works for me | 19:37 |
| * fungi wonders if it's there to test anything besides horizon... do we have translated api responses for example? | 19:37 | |
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| AJaeger | fungi, no we don't have. | 19:38 |
| AJaeger | glance is currently working on something in this area. | 19:38 |
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| pleia2 | and their focus for this has been horizon | 19:38 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, https://review.openstack.org/232304 is related to the glance work | 19:39 |
| fungi | anyway, at the end of the day, i don't care to much what we call it. pick something that seems appropriate | 19:39 |
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| fungi | er, too much | 19:39 |
| AJaeger | pleia2: throw a dice ;) | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | ok, I'll propose a change to the spec once I decide on one | 19:39 |
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| fungi | use the turbo-hipster model of naming things ;) | 19:39 |
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| fungi | thanks pleia2! | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | that's all | 19:40 |
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| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:40 |
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| fungi | looks like we blew through this week's agenda with 20 minutes to spare | 19:40 |
| yolanda | ok, infra-cloud | 19:40 |
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| yolanda | we got nearly the 100 nodes up on east | 19:40 |
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| fungi | nice! | 19:40 |
| yolanda | wanted to check with greghaynes, crinkle, about status of west | 19:40 |
| clarkb | do they cloud? | 19:40 |
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| mordred | woot! | 19:40 |
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| crinkle | hiya | 19:41 |
| yolanda | clarkb, mordred, we are pending on a glean fix | 19:41 |
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| mordred | oh - which one/ | 19:41 |
| rcarrillocruz | yeah | 19:41 |
| mordred | ? | 19:41 |
| crinkle | i'm still working out some issues automating the baremetal deployment in west | 19:41 |
| rcarrillocruz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244625/3 | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | yolanda: rcarrillocruz so what does up mean? | 19:41 |
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| yolanda | clarkb, they are correctly deployed with bifrost | 19:41 |
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| anteaya | yolanda crinkle is the hardware entirely different on east and west is that why you are working in two groups? | 19:41 |
| yolanda | we had some blockers with ilos, disk problems, network | 19:42 |
| crinkle | anteaya: there are different network setups | 19:42 |
| anteaya | crinkle: ah thanks | 19:42 |
| yolanda | anteaya , Ricky and myself joined recently, so we got agreement to work on Easts | 19:42 |
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| mordred | I'm going to approve that change unless someone else wants to scream | 19:42 |
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| anteaya | yolanda: right but yeah if different networks you would have different issues | 19:42 |
| rcarrillocruz | it's the vlan interfaces bug for debian in glean we discussed last week | 19:42 |
| fungi | mordred: what change? | 19:42 |
| clarkb | mordred: no that appears to be what we agreed on after the discussion | 19:42 |
| yolanda | anteaya, that's right. networking is different, as well as hardware | 19:43 |
| clarkb | mordred: interface.vlan | 19:43 |
| rcarrillocruz | crinkle: anything we can assist on? we have some playbooks on ansible we've been using ad-hoc in east | 19:43 |
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| rcarrillocruz | not sure what you're at | 19:43 |
| anteaya | yolanda: okay thanks | 19:43 |
| clarkb | oh wait | 19:43 |
| clarkb | mordred: hold on | 19:43 |
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| mordred | clarkb: kk | 19:43 |
| clarkb | the tests are still broken | 19:43 |
| yolanda | so yes, crinkle, we can help on network, hard problems... we had to open a few tickets | 19:43 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: ^ I pointed that out to somewhere I thought | 19:43 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: there is no eth4 | 19:43 |
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| crinkle | rcarrillocruz: i've been working from the patches in gerrit, if you have ad hoc playbooks that aren't pushed up that's not really good | 19:43 |
| clarkb | right? | 19:43 |
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| mordred | fungi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244625 | 19:44 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:44 |
| fungi | mordred: also, mind if i de-op you in here? | 19:44 |
| mordred | fungi: sure thing | 19:44 |
| yolanda | crinkle, we consume same playbooks | 19:44 |
| rcarrillocruz | crinkle: pending push, yep | 19:44 |
| yolanda | but we have additional tools | 19:44 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i wonder what automation issues are those | 19:44 |
| crinkle | fungi: i'm wondering if there are plans for an infra midcycle? | 19:44 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: or did we end up deciding if that was correct? | 19:44 |
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| clarkb | I need to find the input to the tests to figure out if outputs look good | 19:45 |
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| rcarrillocruz | clarkb: not sure | 19:45 |
| fungi | crinkle: i need to circle back around with pleia2, she was looking into logistics for one good option | 19:45 |
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| pleia2 | yeah, vmbrasseur just followed up again internally for me | 19:45 |
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| pleia2 | so hopefully we'll know something soon | 19:45 |
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| fungi | the short answer is that we're hoping to do something in mid february and focus on driving whatever's left to knock out for infra-cloud | 19:45 |
| crinkle | cool, i think some puppet-apply things could get knocked out too | 19:46 |
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| fungi | or turn it into a get-to-know-you session for infra-cloud perhaps, if there's nothing left to knock out ;) | 19:46 |
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| rcarrillocruz | crinkle: what we have pending push is some helper scripts to wipe servers on ironic and doing rebuilds | 19:46 |
| rcarrillocruz | that help us re-test deployments | 19:46 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'll push up tomorrow | 19:46 |
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| yolanda | fungi, ++ on mid cycle for that | 19:47 |
| mordred | crinkle: I'm _hoping_ to finish puppet-apply this week :) | 19:47 |
| crinkle | mordred: oooh | 19:47 |
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| yolanda | crinkle, so you got an operational cloud in west right? | 19:47 |
| crinkle | yolanda: not currently | 19:47 |
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| fungi | crinkle: yep, it's risky coming up with an agenda this far in advance since we don't know what we'll have finished when, but that seemed like a good time and when the other infra core reviewers/root admins where discussing in tokyo we concluded we'll probably have something worthy of an in-person sprint | 19:47 |
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| mordred | ++ | 19:47 |
| rcarrillocruz | clarkb: it was not clear to me why having 5 interfaces on the config drive fixture glean doesn't produce eth4 no | 19:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | :/ | 19:48 |
| yolanda | crinkle, i connected to controller node last week and saw some services up, what's missing? | 19:48 |
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| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: it is making an eth4 | 19:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | crinkle: yeah, we can assist | 19:48 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: but the old change wasn't iirc | 19:48 |
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| * mordred wants to point out that LCA is late this year, so mid-feb is potentially weird timing-wise | 19:48 | |
| crinkle | yolanda: there weren't static ips assigned at the time, and now i've restarted dnsmasq enough that the ips they had are lost | 19:48 |
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| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: so I am just trying to reconcile the two in my head and ifgure out if the current make an eth4 is correct | 19:48 |
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| crinkle | yolanda: rcarrillocruz are you using static dhcp ip assignments in east? | 19:49 |
| rcarrillocruz | clarkb: k, looking forward for your input in the change | 19:49 |
| mordred | also, AnsibleFest London is Feb 18 and they're talking about having a one-day contributors summit the day before which Shrews and I probably want to be in | 19:49 |
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| rcarrillocruz | crinkle: no, to speed up testing we are using dynamic dhcp | 19:49 |
| yolanda | crinkle, no | 19:49 |
| crinkle | ah that's what i'm working on | 19:49 |
| rcarrillocruz | cos we really needed to know what's broken and what not from HW perspective | 19:49 |
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| anteaya | mordred: feb 1-5: http://lcabythebay.org.au/ | 19:49 |
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| fungi | yep, we can try to work the date so it's at least not overlapping or hopefully too back-to-back with lca | 19:49 |
| rcarrillocruz | and concurrently i've pushed that glean fix i mentioned earlier, cos vlan in glean is broken | 19:49 |
| anteaya | mordred: so if mid-feb = week of feb 15th we sould be okay | 19:49 |
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| anteaya | mordred: depending on how much time after lca you want to be in geelong | 19:50 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: looks lik there are 5 mac addrs so should be 5 interfaces. eth0-eth4 | 19:50 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: I think its correct | 19:50 |
| clarkb | mordred: ^ if you want to approve | 19:50 |
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| rcarrillocruz | \o/ | 19:50 |
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| yolanda | woot! | 19:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | crinkle: if you need help or split the work on testing the HW, let us know | 19:50 |
| mordred | done | 19:50 |
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| jesusaurus | i've split the log_processor python scripts out of the puppet module and into the new project openstack-infra/log_processor, interested persons should add it to their watched projects list | 19:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | happy to help | 19:51 |
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| crinkle | yolanda: rcarrillocruz do y'all sometimes have problems with glean not writing out /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/network/interfaces.d/<iface>.cfg on boot? | 19:51 |
| rcarrillocruz | heh | 19:51 |
| rcarrillocruz | hmm, yeah | 19:51 |
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| rcarrillocruz | BUT | 19:51 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i need to see if that happens on our vlans when the fix merges | 19:51 |
| rcarrillocruz | not sure what's that coming from, if legit or not | 19:51 |
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| rcarrillocruz | maybe a race | 19:52 |
| anteaya | if we did feb 10-12 wed-fri that should fit in between lca and ansiblefest | 19:52 |
| crinkle | i think it's unrelated to the vlan change, i think it's an issue with the upstart script | 19:52 |
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| rcarrillocruz | yeah, unrelated | 19:52 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i mean i didn't want to go that rabbit hole before fixing the vlan thing | 19:52 |
| rcarrillocruz | and see if we hit that on the vlan interfaces, since it's the one we will care about | 19:52 |
| yolanda | in these weeks we've been mostly focused on hardware problems | 19:52 |
| rcarrillocruz | i also think it's about upstart | 19:52 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i hit similar races in the past in gozer | 19:53 |
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| rcarrillocruz | where glean would run before network interfaces would come up, but iirc clarkb fixed that | 19:53 |
| rcarrillocruz | so not sure, anyway, we'll let you know what we get | 19:53 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i think we really should stress test the deployments | 19:53 |
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| mordred | fungi, clarkb, jhesketh, yolanda, pleia2: whie we're here and talking - could I get a +A on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241495/ so that I can move forward with puppet apply? | 19:53 |
| rcarrillocruz | and document failures | 19:53 |
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| yolanda | rcarrillocruz, i agree. We've been bringing up machines slowly, but we need to be sure that it's repeatable | 19:54 |
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| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: the only problem is if you do that too much you end up having no nodes left | 19:54 |
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| clarkb | because ILO bugs and motherboards die | 19:54 |
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| rcarrillocruz | really? you are scaring me... :-) | 19:55 |
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| jeblair | we're still on the short-term hardware, right? | 19:55 |
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| yolanda | clarkb, we had several ilo problems, but were fixed resetting ilos at the moment | 19:56 |
| rcarrillocruz | jeblair: yeah, thing is we have to make a 'inventory' of what's working , what not | 19:56 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: aiui that was part of the problems in west | 19:56 |
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| yolanda | jeblair, yes | 19:56 |
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| rcarrillocruz | then come up to purp with that info | 19:56 |
| jeblair | where the plan is "continue working on this to get the framework in place and identify potential problems, but don't spend too much time worrying about this particular hardware" | 19:56 |
| crinkle | jeblair: we won't see additional hardware until at least january | 19:56 |
| krotscheck | What's the status on the wheel mirror patches? I've got a patch chain that's waiting on it. | 19:56 |
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| crinkle | krotscheck: greghaynes is awaiting reviews on it | 19:56 |
| clarkb | krotscheck: they are up and in review with passing CI results now I think | 19:56 |
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| krotscheck | clarkb, crinkle: Thanks. The last activity I see is on the 17th, one week ago. | 19:57 |
| krotscheck | I'm guessing this is not super high priority when compared to the other infra goals? | 19:58 |
| jhesketh | mordred: yep, lgtm | 19:58 |
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| mordred | jhesketh: thank you! | 19:59 |
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| clarkb | krotscheck: compared to last week and gerrit pgrade correct | 19:59 |
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| krotscheck | If I could solicit some reviews on greghaynes's behalf, it'd be much appreciated :) | 19:59 |
| fungi | we're just about out of time--thanks everyone! | 19:59 |
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| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 20:00:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-11-24-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-11-24-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-11-24-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| crinkle | o/ | 20:00 |
| jhesketh | Thank you, fungi! | 20:00 |
| yolanda | o/ | 20:00 |
| rcarrillocruz | alright folks, nice to chat with you | 20:00 |
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| rcarrillocruz | laterz o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:00 |
| mestery | o/ | 20:00 |
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| jeblair | ayup | 20:00 |
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| ttx | russellb, annegentle, lifeless, mordred, dtroyer, jaypipes, sdague, dhellmann: around ? | 20:00 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
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| flaper87 | mordred: we know you're there. We saw your messages in the infra meeting | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:01 |
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| mordred | o/ | 20:01 |
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| ttx | makes 7 | 20:01 |
| * mordred too busy thinking about turkey | 20:01 | |
| claudiub | o/ | 20:01 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 24 20:01:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:01 | |
| ttx | Hi everyone | 20:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| ttx | Short agenda for today: | 20:01 |
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| alexpilotti | o/ | 20:01 |
| mestery | Yay to short agenda! :) | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
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| ttx | Should leave plenty of time for open discussion at the end, if you have anything you'd like us to discuss | 20:02 |
| ttx | I miss you all, you know that | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Adding os-win to OpenStack | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/247022 | 20:02 |
| ttx | Looks like this is pretty close, we just need to bikeshed on the name | 20:02 |
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| ttx | to decouple the team name from its first deliverable a bit more | 20:02 |
| * mestery gets out the red paintbrush | 20:03 | |
| ttx | and also make it a bit less horrible-sounding | 20:03 |
| ttx | So bring on the window analogies | 20:03 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'd like to avoid the ceilometer/telemetry/ceilometer/telemetry dance with this team | 20:03 |
| * flaper87 gets the black one | 20:03 | |
| alexpilotti | ttx: looks like "winstackers" got overwhelming support :-) | 20:03 |
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| ttx | yeah, it's deliciously cheesy | 20:03 |
| mestery | ttx: ++ | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | I don't mind winstackers, fwiw | 20:03 |
| alexpilotti | :) | 20:03 |
| russellb | hi, sorry | 20:04 |
| ttx | Alright, with the expanded scope i'm fine with this | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | actually, it fits quite nicely | 20:04 |
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| * flaper87 is fine with it too | 20:04 | |
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| ttx | Any other question on that ? | 20:04 |
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| ttx | I think it's a team, it's in openstack community and since oslo doesn't want it it warrants its own team | 20:05 |
| russellb | wfm | 20:05 |
| alexpilotti | ttx: since oslo does not want us we though about "stockholm" | 20:05 |
| lifeless | o/ | 20:06 |
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| dims | alexpilotti ouch :) | 20:06 |
| ttx | alexpilotti: it definitely sounds like a syndrome | 20:06 |
| mordred | wow | 20:06 |
| mordred | the TC meeting is fun today | 20:06 |
| ttx | mordred: short and fun, the way it should always be | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | alexpilotti, :-) | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | Oslo wants you... in a separate project/team <3 :D | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : ++ | 20:07 |
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| markmcclain | we've got 7 now | 20:07 |
| rockyg | flaper87, ++ | 20:07 |
| ttx | claudiub: how many projects are expected to use os-win ? | 20:07 |
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| ttx | oh, RTFCM | 20:08 |
| claudiub | ttx: for now, it's going to be used in nova, cinder, networking-hyperv. the next one on the list would be os-brick. | 20:08 |
| ttx | nova, cinder, ceilometer, networking-hyperv | 20:08 |
| ttx | claudiub: nice | 20:08 |
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| * ttx likes deduplication | 20:08 | |
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| alexpilotti | claudiub: manila | 20:09 |
| ttx | alright, we have a winner | 20:09 |
| alexpilotti | ceilometer | 20:09 |
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| ttx | Will approve in 30 seconds unless someone screams another question | 20:09 |
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| bswartz | another question! | 20:09 |
| ttx | bswartz: nice try | 20:10 |
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| edleafe | bswartz: next time try all caps | 20:10 |
| mestery | lol | 20:10 |
| ttx | Alright, it's in | 20:10 |
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| mestery | woot! | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | w000t | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | welcome, winstackers | 20:10 |
| alexpilotti | yeiiii | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | mestery: 0 are more meaningful | 20:10 |
| * flaper87 ducks | 20:10 | |
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| * mestery shakes his fist at flaper87 | 20:10 | |
| mestery | ;) | 20:10 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:10 |
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| claudiub | thanks folks for your support. :) | 20:11 |
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| ttx | Alright, I had a few things to discuss | 20:11 |
| ttx | First we have a number of asserts in the governance review queue, you might want to check them out before I approve them | 20:11 |
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| ttx | since a few of them just passed the age requirement | 20:11 |
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| ttx | Second... Shall we move this meeting to #openstack-meeting-cp ? | 20:11 |
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| ttx | (starting next week, obviously) | 20:12 |
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| flaper87 | mmh, I'm fine either way, tbh. If that helps freeing up a slot for some other project, fine. | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | I suppose that would make sense | 20:12 |
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| ttx | It's also to give a bit of publicity to that other channel,and make sure nobody holds a cross-project meeting at the same time as the TC meeting | 20:13 |
| lifeless | ttx: did we declare bankrupytcy or something? | 20:13 |
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| lifeless | ttx: my backwards compat change is perhaps worth talking about | 20:13 |
| markmcclain | We've also been in this venue for so long would we actually make it harder for those not tracking every detail harder to find us? | 20:13 |
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| jeblair | i think the main reason to do it would be publicity as ttx says and to _create_ conflicts for #openstack-meeting-cp (so that cp meetings don't get scheduled over this one) | 20:13 |
| jeblair | that said, i'm ambivalent :) | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : +0 | 20:14 |
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| ttx | lifeless: yeah, we buried everyone under piles of bureaucracy and now nobody proposes anything :) Or as I like to think of it, we have caught up with the big tent backlog | 20:14 |
| lifeless | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ | 20:14 |
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| mordred | +0 | 20:14 |
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| lifeless | mordred: +0 on the spec or +0 on ttx's comment? | 20:15 |
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| ttx | OK, I'll clartify with thingee (cross project master) and sdague (inventor of #openstack-meeting-cp) where they prefer it | 20:15 |
| mordred | the moving the meeting | 20:15 |
| ttx | I think everyone is +0 on that one | 20:15 |
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| ttx | I assume everyone is | 20:15 |
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| lifeless | oh, there's another channel to add? | 20:15 |
| lifeless | sigh | 20:15 |
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| lifeless | I can see why, but :/ | 20:16 |
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| * mordred has 165 open IRC windows currently, one more will have zero effect | 20:16 | |
| flaper87 | For the sake of publicity and avoid ppl scheduling cp meetings on the slot used for the TC meeting, then Im +1 | 20:16 |
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| lifeless | mordred: it'll certainly get zero attention :) | 20:16 |
| rockyg | So, an announcement should turn up in this channel at the regular time, pointing folks to the other channel... | 20:16 |
| mordred | lifeless: most things I do fall into that category | 20:16 |
| rockyg | If it moves | 20:16 |
| ttx | lifeless: I'll admit my TODO to reread that spec is planned for tomorrow. | 20:16 |
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| ttx | rockyg: sure | 20:16 |
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| lifeless | ttx: and here I got it up a week ahead of this meeting to give you time :) | 20:17 |
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| rockyg | A heads up on another topic. Product WG started discussing stable and the stable project. | 20:17 |
| ttx | lifeless: been on my "tomorrow" list for a few days already | 20:17 |
| lifeless | so, AIUI the TC approves such specs | 20:17 |
| * flaper87 feels bad for not reading lifeless' spec | 20:17 | |
| lifeless | how do I get actual attention, since its not a governence change | 20:18 |
| rockyg | Seems there is interest in providing more "resources" for the stable project | 20:18 |
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| ttx | lifeless: yes, but the TC seeks consensus across the community first, we just recognize the consensus | 20:18 |
| lifeless | perhaps all cross projects specs should be automatically in our agenda | 20:18 |
| lifeless | ttx: we do | 20:18 |
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| lifeless | ttx: but we try to do that broadly anyhow | 20:18 |
| ttx | basically we don't vote, we summarize the community opinion | 20:18 |
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| ttx | We vote, but just as someone else | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | I'd like to see some oslo-core +1 votes on that spec, for example | 20:18 |
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| ttx | usually we seek at least the affected PTLs +1 | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | the keystone team has several libs, too, so that would be another good place to go for input | 20:19 |
| ttx | here it's quite broad | 20:19 |
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| rockyg | FWIW, I like lifeless | 20:19 |
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| rockyg | Sorry his spec. Him.. Eehhh ;-) | 20:19 |
| lifeless | rockyg: o/ | 20:19 |
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| ttx | It's a good test for the new cross-project process, which thingee and annegentle have been pushing | 20:20 |
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| rockyg | Schedule a discussion, advertise its time, then give a week for comments? | 20:20 |
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| ttx | rockyg: something like that | 20:20 |
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| lifeless | jeblair: / mordred: how do I look up notmyname in th gerrit add reviewer widget? | 20:21 |
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| ttx | lifeless: Type John D and select Dickinson | 20:21 |
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| ttx | (I realize that's not really the answer to your question) | 20:22 |
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| ttx | Oh, in other news... | 20:22 |
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| ttx | I got some recent feedback from lawyers on the licensing question (triggered by the Juju charms application a few weeks ago) | 20:22 |
| lifeless | ttx: there is no dickinson listed | 20:22 |
| ttx | Section 7.1(b) clearly makes ASLv2 mandatory for anything we'd want to put in tc-approved-release (or defcore). | 20:22 |
| ttx | lifeless: weird, there is on mine | 20:22 |
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| lifeless | ttx: after a space it doesn't pipop | 20:23 |
| lifeless | ttx: pop up | 20:23 |
| ttx | We could make ASLv2 generally mandatory for type:service things just to make sure we do not hit a problem later on... | 20:23 |
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| dhellmann | lifeless : try me@not.mn | 20:23 |
| ttx | Beyond services that we might want to cinlude in defcore one day, section 7.1(a) would allow ASLv2 + licenses which permit distribution under Apache 2 (MIT, BSD) for big-tent projects | 20:23 |
| lifeless | ttx: ... its case sensitive. I did not see that coming | 20:23 |
| ttx | I'm trying to get clarification on the list of licenses that would be OK. If the interpretation above holds, it appears pretty clear that GPL* would not be an option | 20:23 |
| ttx | Thought on that ? Questions I could channel back ? | 20:24 |
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| russellb | ttx: thanks for following up on that :) | 20:25 |
| jeblair | ttx: can you clarify 'big-tent'? | 20:25 |
| mordred | yah | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | ttx: so both MIT and BSD can be re-distributed under Apache2? | 20:25 |
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| russellb | i wonder if we already violate what you just said though | 20:25 |
| jeblair | ttx: cause earlier you said "tc-approved-release (or defcore)" | 20:25 |
| russellb | right | 20:26 |
| dims | dhellmann : yes | 20:26 |
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| mordred | we've previously gotten the explicit ok from legal to have GPL things be in our circle of things we work on as long as they weren't "part of the release" | 20:26 |
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| ttx | jeblair: released deliverables from an official project team ? | 20:26 |
| ttx | yeah, I need to get clarification that it wouldn't affect things we don't "release" | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I thought we already had GPL projects from infra, if not other teams | 20:27 |
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| mordred | we do | 20:27 |
| ttx | or distribute | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | we do have GPL things | 20:27 |
| * flaper87 can't remember OTOH | 20:27 | |
| flaper87 | ... can't remember which ones... | 20:27 |
| ttx | jeblair: so a Gerrit local fork would be fine -- a Puppet recipe for deploying openstack, not so sure | 20:28 |
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| ttx | I'll take that question back. A list of those GPL things might be helpful | 20:28 |
| russellb | makes sense | 20:28 |
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| ttx | usage vs. distribution I guess | 20:28 |
| ttx | although it's a bit of a fine line | 20:28 |
| ttx | I'll ask for clarification | 20:28 |
| jeblair | usage was never in question | 20:29 |
| russellb | having a git repo is kinda distribution | 20:29 |
| lifeless | right, 30 odd reviewers added | 20:29 |
| russellb | probably not even kinda, just is | 20:29 |
| lifeless | I'm not sure this is the right mechanism :) | 20:29 |
| lifeless | jeblair: is gerrit able to make that index lookup case insensitive, do you know? | 20:29 |
| jeblair | we certainly create,author,distribute gpl code though -- with the understanding it's not impacted by the bylaws because it's not part of the official openstack release | 20:29 |
| * ttx reread 7.1(a) | 20:29 | |
| lifeless | rockyg: if you like it you should put a vote on it | 20:29 |
| ttx | jeblair: maybe we could exempt release:independent things altogether | 20:30 |
| mestery | ttx: That would be interesting | 20:30 |
| lifeless | ttx: that would imply they can never be defcore | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I don't think we should tie this to the release model. There's enough confusion about that as it is. | 20:31 |
| ttx | lifeless: no, that implies non-ASLv2 things can't be defcore | 20:31 |
| jeblair | lifeless: i think that matches my understanding of the intentent of 7.1a | 20:31 |
| mordred | yah | 20:31 |
| ttx | right | 20:31 |
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| mordred | infra does not release software that is intended to be part of defcore | 20:31 |
| rockyg | lifeless, I now plan to, but I have to read it more closely to see if I have specific comments, first | 20:32 |
| mordred | so whie we're clearly "humans who are working on openstack" - our output is not generally confused with "software that is openstack" | 20:32 |
| ttx | 7.1(a) is quite clear though | 20:32 |
| lifeless | ttx: you're saying its a one-way thing: release-indepednedent '*may*' be suitable for defcore | 20:32 |
| ttx | The Foundation shall generally accept contributions under ASLv2, or on a license on terms which will permit distribution under the Apache License 2.0 | 20:32 |
| ttx | (if teh BoD approves it) | 20:32 |
| lifeless | ttx: 7.1 is *may* | 20:33 |
| ttx | yeah, shall generally accept contributions under ASLv2, and *may* accept a license on terms which will permit distribution under the ASLv2 | 20:33 |
| lifeless | ok thats bad, the governance docs link to the cla now goes to a random how to contribute wiki page | 20:33 |
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| lifeless | (the links from the bottom of https://www.openstack.org/legal/bylaws-of-the-openstack-foundation/) | 20:34 |
| ttx | heh | 20:35 |
| lifeless | ttx: 7.1a does not say 'accept under ASLv2' | 20:35 |
| lifeless | ttx: it says 'accept pursuant to the cla' | 20:35 |
| ttx | it says "under the CLA" | 20:35 |
| lifeless | and I can't find the CLA | 20:35 |
| ttx | and teh CLa says Apache v2 | 20:35 |
| lifeless | to verify | 20:35 |
| ttx | lifeless: you should keep copies of stuff you sign :) | 20:35 |
| lifeless | the us government one *does not* say Apache V2 as a data point | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | lifeless : https://review.openstack.org/static/cla.html | 20:35 |
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| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/agreements | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | via ^^ | 20:36 |
| lifeless | thanks | 20:36 |
| lifeless | so the icla is gone right? DCO now | 20:36 |
| ttx | heh, doesn't even mention Apache | 20:36 |
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| lifeless | the corporate CLA is not accessible from there in gerrit | 20:36 |
| lifeless | and thats relevant to most of us | 20:36 |
| jeblair | ttx: amusingly enough, the cla is permissive enough to permit the foundation to license openstack under the gpl. | 20:36 |
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| jeblair | ttx: (with a bylaws change) | 20:37 |
| ttx | jeblair: fun! | 20:37 |
| lifeless | ttx: and yes, the cla does not say asl | 20:37 |
| lifeless | ttx: thank you for bearing with my detail concerns :) | 20:37 |
| lifeless | icla | 20:37 |
| jeblair | i think the operative thing here is actually 7.1b | 20:37 |
| lifeless | is there a copy of the corporate cla around we can check ? | 20:37 |
| * ttx just can't read legalese | 20:38 | |
| lifeless | https://secure.echosign.com/public/hostedForm?formid=56JUVGT95E78X5 | 20:38 |
| jeblair | which is what causes the foundation to take all the contributions it has received under its super-broad cla and then turn around and license them to the world under the asl2 | 20:38 |
| lifeless | ^ corporate cla | 20:38 |
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| jeblair | when it "distributes software" | 20:38 |
| mordred | I agree. this is all for the purposes of talking about the release we make | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | for those following at home, the CCLA on echosign.com is linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/How_To_Contribute#Contributor_License_Agreement | 20:39 |
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| lifeless | jeblair: but only the software in 'OpenStack Technical Committee Approved Release' | 20:39 |
| ttx | jeblair: so there could be an argument that only the tc-approved release needs to limit choice of license | 20:39 |
| jeblair | so i guess the question is, when is it distributing software? the approved release, or any git repo we host? our understanding from previous lawyer conversations was more along the lines of 'the approved release' | 20:39 |
| lifeless | jeblair: not all distribution of software | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : "the software in the OpenStack Technical Committee Approved Release" | 20:39 |
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| ttx | jeblair: ok, I'll go back to lawyers with additional questions. Thanks for your comments! | 20:40 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: you had something else ? | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | yes, do we want to talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244782/ -- the defcore test flagging from the nova driver team at oracle | 20:40 |
| ttx | #action ttx to clarify with lawyers what "distribution" means | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | several of you have already commented on the review | 20:40 |
| lifeless | ttx: we probably want to check about the board's expectations here, even if the foundations are copacetic | 20:40 |
| lifeless | we don't want to surprise anyone | 20:40 |
| mordred | dhellmann: it seems pretty unanimous feedback on the review | 20:41 |
| ttx | lifeless: we won't, this is at early stages | 20:41 |
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| rockyg | dhellmann, I think the flag issue is a resounding "no" but the linux VM issue is being separated. | 20:41 |
| * flaper87 hasn't read that defcore review | 20:41 | |
| dhellmann | rockyg : the two issues are pretty intimately tied together | 20:41 |
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| lifeless | flaper87: its very interesting | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | mordred : I wonder if it would help the defcore committee if we said something officially? or at least all voted. | 20:42 |
| rockyg | Yes. But the second one needs *lots* more discussion. First one is easier and so I believe it will be rejected shortly. | 20:42 |
| ttx | It's actually a very good question being discussed there | 20:42 |
| flaper87 | lifeless: I'll go through it, I just saw your latest comment and it's quite lengthy | 20:42 |
| mordred | dhellmann: I would be more than happy to help put together a resolution to that effect if it's unclear | 20:42 |
| lifeless | flaper87: :) all the good bits are the comments, not the actual review diff itself ;) | 20:42 |
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| rockyg | I think there might be a discussion scheduled for the next TC meeting? | 20:43 |
| ttx | rockyg: not on my agenda | 20:43 |
| rockyg | Mark Voelker indicated some such | 20:43 |
| ttx | you mean next defcore meeting ? | 20:43 |
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| markvoelker | actually that was hogepodge...he mentioned he might put it on the agenda for next TC meeting | 20:43 |
| ttx | ok, he didn't yet ;) | 20:43 |
| rockyg | OK. How does the next meeting look for that? Plus what is discussed here, now, for prep. | 20:43 |
| mordred | the number of things that linux DOESN'T run on these days is so small | 20:44 |
| mordred | that trying to carve out it being ok to not be able to run linux | 20:44 |
| ttx | well, next meeting agenda is pretty empty right now :) | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | I'd appreciate some time to read through it, fwiw | 20:44 |
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| flaper87 | so, yeah, next meeting ++ | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think it's fine for the nova team to say drivers must support running linux | 20:44 |
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| rockyg | Kewl | 20:44 |
| mordred | seems like a solution in search of a problem | 20:44 |
| ttx | Alright, next meeting | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | wfm | 20:45 |
| ttx | (if someone posts it to openstack-tc) | 20:45 |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 20:45 |
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| ttx | Anything we should be actively working on ? Anything you promised to get elected that you haven't delivered on yet ? | 20:46 |
| rockyg | ttx, I'll eat some turkey and drink lots of good wine in your honor at the Thanksgiving dinner ;-) | 20:46 |
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| lifeless | ttx: the things I discussed two weeks back | 20:46 |
| lifeless | ttx: I'm turning them into prose bit by bit | 20:46 |
| ttx | rockyg: if i don't drink it myself it's like it doesn't really exist | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | we promissed to get a post out and we didn't | 20:47 |
| flaper87 | we = comm wg | 20:47 |
| ttx | flaper87: boo | 20:47 |
| flaper87 | I'll get to that | 20:47 |
| flaper87 | :D | 20:47 |
| lifeless | ttx: the leadership training stuff - gothicmindfood is looking into concrete details to help make it an actual specific proposal not a handwavy thing | 20:47 |
| mordred | rockyg: ++ | 20:47 |
| mordred | lifeless: ++ | 20:47 |
| rockyg | Next time you're in the bay area. You can drink some of ours... | 20:47 |
| ttx | lifeless: yes she's been in touch with my skeptical side | 20:47 |
| lifeless | ttx: *side* implies no more than half... | 20:47 |
| ttx | lifeless: I always have two sides. | 20:47 |
| flaper87 | ttx: just 2 ? | 20:47 |
| ttx | flaper87: sssh | 20:48 |
| rockyg | flaper87, ++ | 20:48 |
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| ttx | I can always be convinced by good arguments :) | 20:48 |
| * rockyg thinks he might be a tesseract | 20:48 | |
| ttx | one thing is sure flaper87 is always moving | 20:48 |
| * flaper87 can't even see his sibling side | 20:48 | |
| flaper87 | ttx: lol, that's true | 20:48 |
| flaper87 | :D | 20:48 |
| rockyg | Hence, the name... | 20:48 |
| * dhellmann wonders how we devolved into discussing the wave/particle duality of flaper87 | 20:49 | |
| * flaper87 flaps everywhere | 20:49 | |
| flaper87 | omg, that's bad | 20:49 |
| ttx | alright, I guess that's all for today then | 20:49 |
| ttx | I'm fine with 11 minutes of my evening back | 20:49 |
| * flaper87 gives ttx 10 | 20:49 | |
| ttx | Also will use the time to contact a few folkds to advance stalled efforts | 20:49 |
| flaper87 | there's a 1 min fee | 20:49 |
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| ttx | Are we done ? | 20:50 |
| flaper87 | nothing here | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | done | 20:50 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 20:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 20:50:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-11-24-20.01.html | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-11-24-20.01.txt | 20:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-11-24-20.01.log.html | 20:50 |
| ttx | Have a great thanksgiving all | 20:50 |
| ttx | -flaper87 -lifeless I guess | 20:50 |
| lifeless | I'll haev a normal work week :) | 20:51 |
| ttx | lifeless: yeah, same here. Time to get serious work done | 20:51 |
| jeblair | lifeless, ttx, flaper87: but you'll enjoy the quiet productiveness of thanksgiving :) | 20:51 |
| ttx | jeblair: exactly | 20:51 |
| jeblair | it's our gift to you | 20:51 |
| ttx | no more crazy threads to answer to | 20:51 |
| lifeless | if only we didn't need 2x+2A's :) | 20:52 |
| flaper87 | lol | 20:52 |
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| flaper87 | jeblair: stop making fun of ppl w/ holidays | 20:52 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:52 |
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| jroll | is cross-project meeting happening today? I didn't see an email indicating either way | 20:55 |
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| thingee | jroll: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080400.html | 20:56 |
| thingee | no meeting today | 20:56 |
| jroll | thingee: doh, thanks :) | 20:57 |
| thingee | jroll: enjoy a longer lunch ;) | 20:57 |
| jroll | :P | 20:57 |
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| smcginnis | Free time! | 21:02 |
| thingee | In case folks missed it, the cross project meeting is being skipped http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080400.html | 21:02 |
| thingee | seeya next week | 21:02 |
| thingee | lifeless: ack on agenda for next time :) | 21:03 |
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| lifeless | thingee: thanks | 21:11 |
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