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| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Dec 4 14:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping: ttx, jokke_, dims, lifeless | 14:00 |
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| ttx | o/ | 14:00 |
| dims | o/ | 14:00 |
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| dhellmann | our meeting agenda is in the R-18 section of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-relmgt-plan | 14:01 |
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| dhellmann | #topic actions from last week | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from last week (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:01 | |
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| dhellmann | 1. dhellmann work on announce script | 14:01 |
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| dhellmann | that work has merged, but there's still a remaining step to add reno notes to the output for projects using reno | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | I'll be looking at that next week | 14:02 |
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| dhellmann | that's the only thing I had as actions from last week, did I miss anything? | 14:02 |
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| dhellmann | ok, moving on | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic Finalize m-1 | 14:02 |
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| dhellmann | we have zaqar's request and it looks like their gate is fixed now? | 14:03 |
| ttx | the gate was in bad shape this morning | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | the mistral team forgot to request a tag for mistral-dashboard, and they've asked what they should do | 14:03 |
| ttx | well, bad shape.. it allowed everything in | 14:03 |
| ttx | so maybe the zaqar tests were lucky | 14:03 |
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| dhellmann | oh, wow, ouch | 14:03 |
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| dhellmann | so the question then is, do we go ahead and tag these projects? | 14:04 |
| ttx | mistral-dashboard ? is it part of the mistral deliverable ? | 14:04 |
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| dhellmann | that's not clear | 14:04 |
| ttx | dhellmann: there is still time, haven't sent anyu annoucement | 14:04 |
| * ttx checks | 14:05 | |
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| ttx | how far is zaqar ? | 14:05 |
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| ttx | yeah, so mistral-dashboard is a separate deliverable | 14:05 |
| ttx | but also release:cycle-with-milestones | 14:05 |
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| ttx | it should probably be in the same deliverable actually | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | they added the unreleased page for reno and have their release request submitted on time | 14:06 |
| ttx | unless they really can't do, say, RCs at the same time | 14:06 |
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| ttx | ok, so zaqar is all set ? I think we should include it | 14:06 |
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| dhellmann | I'm tempted to hold firm on the deadline and not tag either, but I don't know if that's too punitive | 14:07 |
| ttx | they submitted in time, and we could fix them before the announcement | 14:07 |
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| dims | stern warning? :) | 14:08 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I guess that's fair. They did have a long time to add reno, but left it until the last minute. | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | dims : yeah, I'll talk to flwang | 14:08 |
| ttx | "almost missed" | 14:08 |
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| dhellmann | ok, so zaqar is in, what about mistral-dashboard? | 14:08 |
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| ttx | when did the tag come in ? | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | they haven't submitted it yet, I have a private email asking me what they should do | 14:09 |
| ttx | oh then well | 14:09 |
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| ttx | I'd say no | 14:09 |
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| ttx | if only because I want to announce in the next 20 min | 14:10 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I'll reply back that we should sort out whether that is the same deliverable or a separate one before M2 and that it won't be included in M1 | 14:10 |
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| jokke_ | o/ ... bit late | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ok, do you want to go ahead and handle zaqar? | 14:10 |
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| dhellmann | that way you can announce as soon as it's done | 14:11 |
| ttx | also they are not release:managed so I don't feel as much responsibility to them | 14:11 |
| ttx | yep will start the process in parallel | 14:11 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: waiting for your +2 | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | done | 14:12 |
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| dhellmann | I see that murano has gone ahead and tagged their m1 and have submitted a patch after the fact to record it | 14:12 |
| ttx | and they don't have the setup.cfg version cleanup | 14:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | dhellmann: yes, well, since we're not release:managed I figured that'd be the correct way to do it | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | we did that at the end of liberty, so I suppose it's ok to do that for milestones, once they complete the remaining steps | 14:12 |
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| dhellmann | kzaitsev_mb : yes, no problem, we're just talking things through | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | kzaitsev_mb : see ttx's comments on the patch for some other things we need you to do | 14:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I see, that we need to remove versions from setup.cfg. would do that as soon as the gate gets back in order, currently working on that ) | 14:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, thanks, will do. | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | kzaitsev_mb : great, thanks! | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | #topic retrospective on M1 | 14:14 |
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| ttx | not sure if I should include that in the announcement | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | #undo | 14:14 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x9562450> | 14:14 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/m1-announcement | 14:15 |
| ttx | I was wondering if I should add the links to release notes | 14:15 |
| ttx | but I decided against it since the release notes are not mitaka-1 specific | 14:15 |
| ttx | and may already include more than what is in mitaka-1 | 14:15 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, that's the same reason I didn't include links in the releases repo for mitaka, either | 14:16 |
| ttx | comments on that ? should we merge the murano request and include it here ? | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | as far as the announcement, maybe it makes sense to focus on managed projects this time? | 14:16 |
| ttx | I thought we could encourage others following the process | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | I guess I'm +0 on including it | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | ah, sure, that's a good point | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | ok, +1 | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | so do we want to go ahead and merge the patch now, or wait until the other work is prepared? | 14:17 |
| ttx | ah, hm. | 14:17 |
| ttx | I guess we should skip murano since it's not ready at announcement time. | 14:17 |
| ttx | I want them all to appear in http://docs.openstack.org/releases/releases/mitaka.html and would rather not merge the release request until they are clean | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we have to draw the line somewhere | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | I agree, I want everything recorded, even if we're not doing the tagging for them | 14:18 |
| ttx | again, give encouragement to those who followed the guidelines you sent | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | maybe we should announce that formally | 14:18 |
| ttx | I expect some other projects to have pushed a random 0b1 tag while we were looking the other way | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann send email encouraging unmanaged projects to record their m1 releases in the releases repository | 14:20 |
| ttx | ok, so do we have anything else to add to the announcement email ? | 14:20 |
| * ttx adds zaqar | 14:20 | |
| dhellmann | I assume you've already made the complete list of projects based on the tracking etherpad | 14:21 |
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| dhellmann | what you have looks good, so I don't have anything to add | 14:22 |
| ttx | I actually extracted it from http://docs.openstack.org/releases/releases/mitaka.html this morning | 14:22 |
| ttx | with way too much manual juice | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | I had intended to write a script to read the yaml files, but didn't get to it yesterday | 14:22 |
| ttx | once we agree on format I can automate it | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | what you have looks pretty good to me | 14:22 |
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| ttx | ok, I'll let the post-merge publish job run first and send the announcement asap | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | is there anything else on this topic before we move on? | 14:23 |
| ttx | nope | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | #topic retrospective on M1 | 14:23 |
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| dhellmann | I was pleased with the way most of the milestone worked out | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | we only had a couple of liaisons show up asking "what is reno?" this week | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | most projects had it integrated with time to spare before tagging their milestone | 14:24 |
| ttx | and one also showing up not being subscribed to [release] emails | 14:24 |
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| ttx | maybe the same | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | yes, that person fell into my "couple" aggregation | 14:24 |
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| dhellmann | I also had someone say they were behind on reading the messages, but that they did have them going to a special folder | 14:25 |
| ttx | I was actually surprised everyone had their reno ducks mostly in line | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | yes, me, too | 14:25 |
| ttx | and also that the rather complex instructions were mostly followed. So good point | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | there's still some confusion about how it works, and I think part of that is due to the bug that mtreinish and bknudson found related to merge commits | 14:25 |
| ttx | oh well, that's what a m-1 is for | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | because sometimes merged notes are being missed entirely | 14:25 |
| ttx | I'm actually very happy we could get most of the thing in place before the m-1 week | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I tried to keep things simple but at some point it was just necessary to start educating folks | 14:26 |
| ttx | we'll review what we missed and still need to do in a few | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:26 |
| ttx | but it doesn't feel like that much | 14:26 |
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| dhellmann | do you think the countdown emails are helping? | 14:27 |
| ttx | we should watch those setup.cfg removal merges as well | 14:27 |
| ttx | I think they more clearly put the blame for not following onto the liaison | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | #link retrospective on M1 | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | oops | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | #undo | 14:28 |
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| ttx | so yeah, I think the countdown emails are helping | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:remove-version-from-setup,n,z | 14:28 |
| * dhellmann may need to restart his browser | 14:28 | |
| dhellmann | ok, moving on | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | #topic status review of all projects listed at the top of this etherpad | 14:29 |
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| dhellmann | I went through these items this morning to try to spot the ones that were completed | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | the lists are growing long enough that I think we need a better way to highlight TODO vs notes, so I'm going to go back through and add TODO to lines that are actions we need to take | 14:30 |
| ttx | ok, let's start with " enabling new model for milestones" | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | now that we're past m1, I'll also unbold those things | 14:30 |
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| ttx | ok, I think the first one looks good | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | yep, let's look at stable branches | 14:35 |
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| dhellmann | when does that election close? early next week? | 14:37 |
| ttx | so on the stable part we may ned to start encouraging releases there before the end of month | 14:37 |
| ttx | yeah, election closes Tuesday | 14:37 |
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| dhellmann | we have a bunch of stable releases queued up for review, actually | 14:37 |
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| ttx | then I push the governance patch | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=is%3Aopen&title=Releases+Inbox&mitaka=project%3Aopenstack%2Freleases+file%3A%5Edeliverables%2Fmitaka%2F.%2A&liberty=project%3Aopenstack%2Freleases+file%3A%5Edeliverables%2Fliberty%2F.%2A&kilo=project%3Aopenstack%2Freleases+file%3A%5Edeliverables%2Fkilo%2F.%2A&juno=project%3Aopenstack%2Freleases+file%3A%5Edeliverables%2Fjuno%2F.%2A&independent=project%3Aopenstack%2Freleases+file%3A%5Ed | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | eliverables%2F_independent%2F.%2A&all+releases=is%3Aopen+project%3Aopenstack%2Freleases&tools=project%3Aopenstack%2Dinfra%2Frelease%2Dtools | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | oh, ugh, too long | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | #link http://bit.ly/1jDpuk8 | 14:38 |
| ttx | yeah, I'm more concerned about those not queued for review yet. But agree we may need to process those first :) | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | yeah :-) | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | I've been including reminders in the countdown emails, but maybe a separate email would make sense | 14:39 |
| ttx | with m1 behind us we'll have more time to finalize the hand-off there | 14:39 |
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| dhellmann | right | 14:39 |
| ttx | comms overhaul ? | 14:39 |
| ttx | looking good | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | post versioning | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | that's going pretty well, too | 14:40 |
| ttx | yep | 14:40 |
| ttx | we might want to add a task to track stragglers | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | we should encourage unmanaged teams to remove the version line | 14:40 |
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| ttx | also what did we decide for end of cycle / start of new one ? Should just work ? | 14:41 |
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| ttx | i.E. no need to put a version line back for handling the first commits ? | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | yeah, lifeless convinced me that folks should only be tracking a single branch in a given environment, so the fact that we have 2 commits in different branches with the same version is not a problem | 14:41 |
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| ttx | ok, automation ? | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | yep | 14:42 |
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| dhellmann | I have some comments on that spec I need to reply to. I'll try to do that today | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | fungi and I talked about it earlier this week, and it's on the agenda for the infra team to review next tuesday, so I have that as a deadline | 14:43 |
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| dhellmann | next up, dropping launchpad | 14:44 |
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| ttx | release status page, nobody complained about it. I should probably phase it out | 14:46 |
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| dhellmann | do you think folks will look at that after the milestone announcement? | 14:47 |
| ttx | well let's see | 14:47 |
| ttx | I won't remove it tomorrow anyway | 14:48 |
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| dhellmann | yeah | 14:49 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I propose we update the rest of them another week, I think we cover all the critical/urgent ones | 14:49 |
| dhellmann | sounds good | 14:49 |
| ttx | oh, maybe the reno stuff | 14:49 |
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| dhellmann | what happened | 14:50 |
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| ttx | I just move reno up | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | oh, some of the formatting below it looks off now | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | there we go | 14:50 |
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| dhellmann | ok, let's move on to the next agenda item then | 14:51 |
| dhellmann | #topic Update on current library release process | 14:51 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, you added this? | 14:51 |
| ttx | yeah, that's one of mine | 14:51 |
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| ttx | Wanted an update on how we do lib releases with the changes in tooling | 14:51 |
| ttx | (if the doc is still up to date, it's fine to tell me to rtfm | 14:51 |
| ttx | ) | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | the only thing I did differently was run announce.sh after running release.sh | 14:52 |
| ttx | still haven't really done one yet and you'll be away the coming weeks, so better be up to date | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | to run announce.sh I had to update my local sandbox to get the new tag | 14:52 |
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| dhellmann | I thought about creating a wrapper for announce.sh like announce_by_hand.sh and letting that do a clone, like release.sh does | 14:53 |
| dhellmann | but it's just 3 or 4 commands, so it wasn't a big deal to do it by hand | 14:53 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: should we update the top paragraph on release-tools README to also cover libs ? | 14:53 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, that's a good idea, esp. now that release_postversion.sh isn't the right tool | 14:54 |
| dhellmann | I'll take a look at that | 14:54 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann update library release instructions in readme | 14:54 |
| ttx | some of it is on the releases repo too | 14:54 |
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| ttx | but it's actually simpler to update the release-tools README as we push new tooling | 14:54 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I'll look at the releases repo instructions, too | 14:54 |
| dhellmann | #undo | 14:54 |
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| dhellmann | #action dhellmann update library release instructions in release-tools and releases repositories | 14:55 |
| ttx | ok, ping me when done and I can be the guinea pig for testing the instructions at least once | 14:55 |
| dhellmann | sounds good, I think we have a library release request up as a matter of fact | 14:55 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 14:55 |
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| dhellmann | is there anything else we need to talk about in the last 5 minutes? | 14:55 |
| ttx | dhellmann: just one ? | 14:55 |
| ttx | :) | 14:55 |
| ttx | nothing comes to mind | 14:56 |
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| dhellmann | oh, I was thinking of mistralclient but we haev some stable releases, too | 14:56 |
| ttx | docs.o.o/releases still not updated | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | :-( | 14:56 |
| ttx | so that is a good topic of discussion | 14:56 |
| ttx | the release process is still dependent on post-jobs with lower priorities | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | ttx: it would be good to get your input on https://review.openstack.org/250038 | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | are all post jobs low priority, or just the ones for releases? | 14:57 |
| ttx | well, it's a bit complex | 14:57 |
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| ttx | tarball jobs generally run as a generic post-job (low prio) | 14:57 |
| * dhellmann thinks that's the best description of openstack development ever | 14:57 | |
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| ttx | except when triggered by a tag | 14:57 |
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| ttx | in which case they end up in specific queues (pre-release and release) | 14:58 |
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| ttx | However openstack/releases postjobs are run in the general pipeline | 14:58 |
| ttx | so those are run with lowest prio | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | any chance that it's caused by the issues with jenkins masters infra is battling? | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like that's adjustable, though? | 14:58 |
| ttx | executed when nothing else requires resources" | 14:58 |
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| ttx | which can easily take a few hours | 14:59 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, if we can increase the priority we should bump it up some -- ttx, can you handle that? | 14:59 |
| ttx | dhellmann: one does not simply.. bump a postjob priority | 14:59 |
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| dhellmann | oh, it's not just a configuration setting? | 14:59 |
| ttx | nope, you may have to define a completely separate pipeline | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | guh | 15:00 |
| ttx | anyway, something we should probably look into | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:00 |
| ttx | since we have grown that dependency which wasn't there before | 15:00 |
| ttx | I'll add it somewhere on the etherpad | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | ok, thanks | 15:00 |
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| dhellmann | we're out of time, and I have a real-space interruption about to happen so I'm going to call the meeting | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | good teamwork this milestone! | 15:01 |
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| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Dec 4 15:01:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-12-04-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-12-04-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
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