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| yamamoto | hi | 07:00 |
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| yamamoto | anyone here for networking-midonet meeting? | 07:02 |
| * yamamoto wait for a few minutes | 07:03 | |
| jfjoly | Hi yamamoto | 07:03 |
| yamamoto | hi | 07:04 |
| yamamoto | let's start | 07:05 |
| yamamoto | #startmeeting networking_midonet | 07:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 15 07:05:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamamoto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_midonet' | 07:05 |
| yamamoto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NetworkingMidoNet agenda | 07:06 |
| yamamoto | #topic Announcements | 07:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:06 | |
| yamamoto | we are going to make 2015.1.2 release | 07:06 |
| yamamoto | it will contain an important fix | 07:07 |
| yamamoto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-midonet/+bug/1507651 | 07:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1507651 in neutron "MidoNet Neutron Plugin upgrade from kilo stable 2015.1.0 to kilo unstable 2015.1.1.2.0-1~rc0 (MNv5.0) not supported" [Undecided,New] | 07:07 |
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| yamamoto | anyone has any other announcements? | 07:07 |
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| yamamoto | #topic end of year/new year holidays | 07:08 |
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| yamamoto | i'll be absent from 2015-12-19 to 2016-01-10 | 07:08 |
| yamamoto | so i propose to skip the next 3 meetings | 07:09 |
| yamamoto | unless someone volunteers to chair | 07:09 |
| * yamamoto waiting for volunteers | 07:09 | |
| yamamoto | ok, it seems there's no volunteer. let's skip. | 07:11 |
| yamamoto | #info next 3 meetings will be skipped | 07:11 |
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| yamamoto | #info the next meeting will be 2016-01-12 | 07:12 |
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| yamamoto | #topic Bugs | 07:13 |
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| yamamoto | bug deputy for the last week was ryu | 07:13 |
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| yamamoto | it seems he is not here | 07:14 |
| yamamoto | let me ping him | 07:14 |
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| yamamoto | let's move on and come back to the topic if he came here. | 07:16 |
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| yamamoto | #topic Open Discussion | 07:16 |
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| jfjoly_ | nothing from my side yamamoto , thanks for leading the meeting! | 07:17 |
| yamamoto | irena reported about her AI from the last meeting offline | 07:18 |
| yamamoto | let me paste it here | 07:18 |
| yamamoto | 15:21 irenab: @yamamoto @ryu25 : hi guys. I am not sure I will attend today’s IRC meeting, so wanted to update regarding AI from last meeting regarding RFE/Spec process and update of the networking-midonet policy. | 07:18 |
| yamamoto | 15:22 irenab: I checked other projects, but seems didn’t find any clear documented policy. I think what we discussed about adopting neutron policy makes sense. | 07:18 |
| yamamoto | 15:23 irenab: We can add note regardingthis in https://github.com/openstack/networking-midonet/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.rst. Let me know what you think | 07:18 |
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| yamamoto | 15:46 yamamoto: irenab: i prefer doc/source | 07:19 |
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| yamamoto | 16:01 irenab: yamamoto: works for me as well. | 07:19 |
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| yamamoto | let's go back to bug topic | 07:19 |
| yamamoto | #topic Bugs | 07:20 |
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| yamamoto | i put my name for the next week bug deputy | 07:20 |
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| yamamoto | s/next/this/ | 07:20 |
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| yamamoto | ryu25: hi | 07:21 |
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| yamamoto | ryu25: thank you for the last week's bug deputy work | 07:23 |
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| yamamoto | ryu25: do you have anything to report? | 07:23 |
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| ryu25 | yamamoto: we have 4 confirmed high priority bugs right now | 07:26 |
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| ryu25 | and two that are not triaged yet - 1525894 and 1525871 | 07:27 |
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| ryu25 | they are confirmed but not prioritized | 07:27 |
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| ryu25 | I think both are either low or medium priority | 07:28 |
| bochi-michael | HenryG: Hi henry, about your comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255217/7/neutron/tests/unit/api/v2/test_attributes.py | 07:28 |
| bochi-michael | HenryG: "The validation could be done in other ways." do you mean I should write unit test in other way? | 07:29 |
| yamamoto | bochi-michael: i guess you are using a wrong channel | 07:29 |
| bochi-michael | yamamoto: sorry :) | 07:30 |
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| ryu25 | yamamoto: how do you think about 1525871 set to 'low' and 1525894 set to 'medium' ? | 07:30 |
| ryu25 | i think 1525894 may have high impact on packaging and need to be looked into | 07:31 |
| yamamoto | ryu25: sounds reasonable to me | 07:31 |
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| ryu25 | ok great, updated the bugs | 07:32 |
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| yamamoto | i'll be a bug deputy for this week. | 07:33 |
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| ryu25 | yamamoto: thanks! | 07:33 |
| yamamoto | although i don't think i can do the full week | 07:33 |
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| yamamoto | ie only up to Dec 19 | 07:33 |
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| ryu25 | i can fill the rest | 07:34 |
| yamamoto | thank you | 07:34 |
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| ryu25 | how about the next week's IRC meeting? | 07:34 |
| yamamoto | we decided to skip the next 3 meetings. | 07:34 |
| yamamoto | you can check the meeting log :-) | 07:34 |
| ryu25 | ok! | 07:35 |
| yamamoto | i guess it's safe to skip bug deputy process as well for these weeks. how do you think? | 07:35 |
| yamamoto | there will be very low activities i guess | 07:35 |
| ryu25 | yeah you're probably right. | 07:36 |
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| ryu25 | i wont' be around most of the last week of dec and the first week of jan | 07:36 |
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| ryu25 | so the next Bug Deputy for the week of Jan 5th? | 07:37 |
| ryu25 | bugs reported on the meeting of Jan 12th? | 07:38 |
| ryu25 | bug triage results reported, i mean | 07:38 |
| yamamoto | sure. the next meeting will be 2016-01-12 | 07:38 |
| ryu25 | ok got it | 07:39 |
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| yamamoto | if anyone volunteer bug deputy for any weeks, please feel free to update the wiki by yourself! | 07:40 |
| yamamoto | anyone has anything more to discuss? | 07:40 |
| * yamamoto waiting a little | 07:41 | |
| ryu25 | i'm good! | 07:41 |
| yamamoto | ok, thank you for attending | 07:41 |
| yamamoto | #endmeeting | 07:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 07:41:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2015/networking_midonet.2015-12-15-07.05.html | 07:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2015/networking_midonet.2015-12-15-07.05.txt | 07:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2015/networking_midonet.2015-12-15-07.05.log.html | 07:41 |
| ryu25 | yamamoto: thank you! | 07:42 |
| jfjoly_ | thanks ryu25 yamamoto ! | 07:43 |
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| kitsuneninetails | thanks! | 07:45 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 15 08:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 08:00 |
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| lennyb_ | Hi | 08:10 |
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| anteaya | hi lennyb_ | 08:10 |
| anteaya | how are you today? | 08:10 |
| lennyb_ | to early to say yet :), how are you? | 08:11 |
| anteaya | good thanks | 08:11 |
| anteaya | might you have anything to discuss today? | 08:11 |
| lennyb_ | I guess it's only you and me today, and I have nothing interesting to discuss today | 08:11 |
| anteaya | okay thanks for letting me know | 08:11 |
| anteaya | neither do I | 08:12 |
| anteaya | we can keep the meeting open for a few minutes more | 08:12 |
| lennyb_ | so, have a nice night/// | 08:12 |
| anteaya | thanks :) | 08:12 |
| anteaya | have a good day | 08:12 |
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| anteaya | okay I think I will close the meeting | 08:21 |
| anteaya | unless there is a reason to keep it open | 08:21 |
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| lennyb_ | see you next week | 08:21 |
| anteaya | thanks lennyb_ | 08:22 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 08:22 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 08:22:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-12-15-08.00.html | 08:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-12-15-08.00.txt | 08:22 |
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| ryu25 | midonet meeting starting soon | 08:59 |
| yamamoto | hi | 08:59 |
| ryu25 | yamamoto: hi | 09:00 |
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| ryu25 | let's get started | 09:00 |
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| ryu25 | #startmeeting midonet | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 15 09:00:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ryu25. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: midonet)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'midonet' | 09:00 |
| ryu25 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MidoNet agenda | 09:01 |
| ryu25 | #topic Announcements | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: midonet)" | 09:01 | |
| ryu25 | since many will be unavailable due to the holidays in the upcoming weeks, I think it makes sense to cancel the meeting on the 29th and Jan 5th | 09:03 |
| ryu25 | there will be one next week | 09:03 |
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| ryu25 | let me know if that makes sense to all | 09:03 |
| yamamoto | +1 | 09:03 |
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| kitsuneninetails | sgtm | 09:04 |
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| red|trela | +1 | 09:04 |
| ryu25 | #action ryu25 update the wiki about the cancelled meeetings | 09:04 |
| ryu25 | i don't have any other announcement. Anyone? | 09:05 |
| kitsuneninetails | Is this a good place to announce bug deputy results? | 09:05 |
| ryu25 | kitsuneninetails: yes, the next topic will be about bugs | 09:06 |
| kitsuneninetails | kk | 09:06 |
| ryu25 | moving on | 09:06 |
| ryu25 | #topic Bugs | 09:07 |
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| ryu25 | kitsuneninetails: you were the Bug Deputy last week. Thanks for your effort! | 09:07 |
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| ryu25 | do you have anything to share? | 09:08 |
| kitsuneninetails | THere were 0 bugs opened during the last week, keeping the total at 3 | 09:08 |
| kitsuneninetails | The wiki has been updated: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MidoNet | 09:08 |
| ryu25 | thanks, that's great news | 09:09 |
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| ryu25 | does anyone want to volunteer to be the next Bug Deputy? | 09:10 |
| ryu25 | I will volunteer for this week | 09:11 |
| ryu25 | #info ryu25 is the next Bug Deputy | 09:12 |
| ryu25 | ok since we don't have any new bug to discuss, let's move on | 09:13 |
| ryu25 | #topic Open Discussion | 09:13 |
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| ryu25 | One topic that is being discussed in the ML is about python-midonetclient | 09:14 |
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| ryu25 | i hope my proposal, while probably not satisfying everyone, provides a good compromise, to at least remove the dependency of PMC from the plugin | 09:15 |
| ryu25 | i'm open to suggestions | 09:15 |
| yamamoto | +1 for ryu's proposal | 09:15 |
| red|trela | still +1 from me :) | 09:16 |
| yamamoto | however, as people against separation doesn't seem to be here, let's continue it on ML | 09:16 |
| ryu25 | I will leave the actual task to those requesting the separation :) | 09:16 |
| ryu25 | yamamoto: sure | 09:16 |
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| red|trela | yould probably also good if you could follow up with what's planned to happen with the cli, ryu25 | 09:18 |
| red|trela | on the ml | 09:18 |
| red|trela | seems that was unclear | 09:18 |
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| ryu25 | red|trela: you are referring to the high level client right? No the existing cli | 09:19 |
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| red|trela | okay, maybe I'm just lust in terminology here | 09:19 |
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| red|trela | I was referring to the cli mentioned by Jaume and Toni on the ml...which I understood to be the "existing cli"... | 09:20 |
| ryu25 | I will respond to the thread | 09:20 |
| ryu25 | i think it should clear things up | 09:20 |
| red|trela | sounds good | 09:20 |
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| ryu25 | right I was suggesting that for now, we may not need a separate client project, but they have grand ideas for the future :) | 09:22 |
| ryu25 | there is no other topic I need to bring up. Anyone else? | 09:22 |
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| yamamoto | nothing from me | 09:23 |
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| red|trela | nothing from me either | 09:24 |
| kitsuneninetails | I'm good | 09:24 |
| ryu25 | ok great, thanks for attending everyone! | 09:25 |
| ryu25 | #endmeeting | 09:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 09:25:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/midonet/2015/midonet.2015-12-15-09.00.html | 09:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/midonet/2015/midonet.2015-12-15-09.00.txt | 09:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/midonet/2015/midonet.2015-12-15-09.00.log.html | 09:25 |
| red|trela | thanks ryu25 and everyone | 09:25 |
| yamamoto | bye | 09:25 |
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| kitsuneninetails | ciao! | 09:28 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 15 12:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 12:00 |
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| alex_xu | who is here today? | 12:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hi | 12:00 |
| jichen | o/ | 12:00 |
| oomichi | hi | 12:00 |
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| sdague | o/ | 12:00 |
| alex_xu | hello everyone, let's waiting one more minutes | 12:01 |
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| yalie | hi | 12:01 |
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| alex_xu | ok, let's get start meeting | 12:01 |
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| alex_xu | #topic actions from last meeting | 12:01 |
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| alex_xu | sdague make a patch for remove 1.1 and info the ops | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | sdague: any update for this? | 12:02 |
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| sdague | doh, I totally spaced that one | 12:02 |
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| sdague | adding to my todo list for today | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | sdague: :) | 12:02 |
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| alex_xu | #topic content patches up for review | 12:02 |
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| alex_xu | thanks for all the help on doc sprint | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/complete-todo-in-api-concept-doc,n,z | 12:03 |
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| alex_xu | looks like we need more patch up | 12:03 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-site+branch:master+topic:fix-compute-api-ref,n,z | 12:04 |
| alex_xu | and looks like there isn't any active on api ref side. | 12:04 |
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| sdague | nice | 12:04 |
| alex_xu | probably most of us focus on api concept side | 12:04 |
| oomichi | nothing, cool :) | 12:04 |
| oomichi | yeah, still a lot of TODO on concept side | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | #topic most needed next content patches | 12:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, on the ref side I double checked for missing things vs v2.0-ext doc again, and I think we are good now | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | oomichi: yeh | 12:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | the bits I added got merged, which is cool | 12:05 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: cool | 12:06 |
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| alex_xu | probably I will try to fill more about extension and microversion next few weeks | 12:06 |
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| alex_xu | and we still have some TODOs for servers concept | 12:06 |
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| alex_xu | then I think we can move some focus to api-ref? | 12:07 |
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| oomichi | nice to move after the concept updates | 12:07 |
| alex_xu | anyway free to submit patch for doc | 12:07 |
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| alex_xu | if no more question on doc, let's move on | 12:08 |
| alex_xu | #topic remove project id | 12:08 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: do you want to say something, there are a lot of active around this | 12:08 |
| alex_xu | include sample tests | 12:08 |
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| sdague | sure | 12:09 |
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| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233076/ is the base functional patch | 12:09 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: I think you correctly asked if there is a way to turn this off in v2 compat mode, and I think we should do that | 12:09 |
| * gmann_ late due to network issue | 12:09 | |
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| sdague | I just wasn't sure if there was a good hook or variable to know if we are in that mode | 12:10 |
| alex_xu | sdague: I wrote a patch today for fix that | 12:10 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/257719 | 12:10 |
| sdague | alex_xu: ok, great | 12:10 |
| sdague | I will look | 12:10 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: not sure this is good way, but works | 12:10 |
| alex_xu | sdague: thanks | 12:10 |
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| sdague | the only issue we are running into right now is that because of how the api samples engine works, microversion is applied to docs and templates | 12:11 |
| sdague | so having the v2.13 docs tree is currently not possible if we don't also have a v2.13 templates tree | 12:11 |
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| sdague | I've been trying to clean up a bunch of the api samples code in the process while considering how we want to move forward there | 12:12 |
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| gmann_ | sdague: for refactoring the structure - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255080/ | 12:12 |
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| gmann_ | sdague: for 2.13 version sample | 12:13 |
| alex_xu | that is huge change | 12:13 |
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| sdague | gmann_: yeh, I'm not convinced that's what we want to do yet | 12:14 |
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| gmann_ | sdague: oh | 12:15 |
| sdague | honestly, I'm ok not quite having a solution until we clean up some of the api samples internals | 12:15 |
| gmann_ | sdague but for version which change all APIs, we might need sonething like this | 12:15 |
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| sdague | gmann_: we might | 12:15 |
| gmann_ | sdague: i see | 12:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I do keep wondering about how we have docs and tests use the same set of files, but that might be pushing it too far too quickly | 12:16 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: sorry, I'm not sure I fully understand your point | 12:17 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: sorry, I didn't get you | 12:17 |
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| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: you mean to have 1 set either under functional/api_samples or doc/api_samples | 12:17 |
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| alex_xu | so I think we just need help for sdague on cleanup sample tests, then waiting for figure out next step | 12:19 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu +1 | 12:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorry, got distracted there | 12:19 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: yeh, I think that's the approach. I'm kind of puttering through some cleanups - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257439/ reviews from there down would be good | 12:20 |
| alex_xu | sdague: cool | 12:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_ +1 to your description of what I was thinking | 12:20 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: except they are 2 different things | 12:20 |
| sdague | because we do a 3 way compare | 12:20 |
| sdague | template to response, template to static document | 12:20 |
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| sdague | so that the code that fills things into the template doesn't end up something crazy | 12:21 |
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| gmann_ | sdague 1 question on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256387/ | 12:21 |
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| sdague | and the docs files are used on our api site | 12:21 |
| gmann_ | sdague you are planning to update this or putting this idea into separate patches? | 12:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I guess we need the control the template gives us | 12:22 |
| sdague | gmann_: I'm trying to clean up the rest of the api samples code first to make that patch simpler | 12:22 |
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| gmann_ | sdague ok. Thanks | 12:22 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, the philosophy of the api samples got a little lost over time. | 12:22 |
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| sdague | doing this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257439 meant I had to touch nearly every file, and found some of drift | 12:23 |
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| sdague | I'll try to write up some test writing guide after this is all done | 12:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: sweet, good to record the intent | 12:24 |
| alex_xu | sdague: +1 | 12:24 |
| gmann_ | sdagueyea nice idea | 12:24 |
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| gmann_ | ops | 12:24 |
| alex_xu | ok, I guess this all about sample tests, let's move on? | 12:25 |
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| sdague | anyway, reviews on those cleanups would be nice, I'm about 6 deep right now, plus the glance api servers series, and I'm out next 2 weeks | 12:25 |
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| sdague | so I'd like to get as much landed this week as possible | 12:25 |
| alex_xu | I will focus on review those cleanup patch this week | 12:25 |
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| gmann_ | me too. | 12:25 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: free to let me know if you need any coding help at here | 12:26 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: sure, will do | 12:26 |
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| alex_xu | ok, so let's move on | 12:26 |
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| alex_xu | #topic API futures - specs | 12:26 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239276/ | 12:26 |
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| alex_xu | I saw comments said this patch need discussion | 12:27 |
| yalie | yes, this is for revming the verification of Ip address | 12:27 |
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| yalie | IP address is not mandarery in port of neutron now | 12:28 |
| yalie | so we want to remove it in nova side too | 12:28 |
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| alex_xu | That changed the API behavior, so we need microversion at here | 12:28 |
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| yalie | yes, I just add a new patch which discribe it. | 12:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so... the change is | 12:29 |
| oomichi | we need to change validation on json-schema or more deep code? | 12:29 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: we already freeze the spec, so this change can we continue, except it is bug fix | 12:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | when a port explicitly asks to not have an IP address, we should honour that | 12:29 |
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| alex_xu | s/so this change can/so this change whether can/ | 12:29 |
| sdague | I'm really not comfortable with "But | 12:30 |
| sdague | there are some scenarios where the user doesn't want Neutron to handle any of | 12:30 |
| sdague | the addressing or the IP level filtering because a completely separate system | 12:30 |
| sdague | is managing that." | 12:30 |
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| yalie | johnthetubaguy: yes, | 12:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, not sure its really a bug fix as such, but seems rude to block neutron if we can deal with it | 12:30 |
| sdague | because I don't want nova having to plug into something beyond that | 12:30 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: ok, got it | 12:31 |
| sdague | what attribute in neutron specifies that a port has no address intentional? | 12:31 |
| yalie | sdague: I think that is some IPAM backed to manager the IP address | 12:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: it does seem to erode some assumptions that make me uneasy too | 12:31 |
| sdague | yalie: right, and I think that should be a neutron backend | 12:31 |
| sdague | that is kind of the whole point of having neutron | 12:31 |
| yalie | sdague: yes | 12:31 |
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| sdague | that it provides that abstraction | 12:32 |
| yalie | sdague: part of neutron | 12:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now, if there are ports that don't need an IP, because its just doing L2 forwarding, then make thats reasonable? | 12:32 |
| yalie | sdague: but from vendor, maybe outside of neutron. | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/make/maybe/ | 12:32 |
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| sdague | yalie: it should still be plugged in via neutron interfaces | 12:33 |
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| yalie | sdague: yes | 12:33 |
| yalie | johnthetubaguy: yes | 12:33 |
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| sdague | ok, so the question really is, is there an attribute set on a port today which says "I don't have an address, intentionally" and what is that? | 12:33 |
| yalie | sdague: no, we don't have this attr | 12:34 |
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| sdague | because I'm ok if this is part of the trust arrangement with neutron that we don't error when neutron tells us not to | 12:34 |
| sdague | but I don't want to do it in the common case | 12:34 |
| yalie | sdague: neutorn port could have no IP address | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: right | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | so its this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/vm-without-l3-address | 12:34 |
| sdague | because I think that's a degradation for the majority of users | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | as I understand it | 12:34 |
| sdague | yalie: ok, so that's what you need first | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | when the Port says "ME HAVE NO IP ADDRESS" I am OK with honouring that, I guess, but otherwise, we should still error if there is no IP address | 12:35 |
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| alex_xu | yalie: there will be no subnet in network when we didn't want ip in port? | 12:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hang on, not sure that spec has the extra port property we are neededing, my bad | 12:36 |
| yalie | sdague: that's not for this, that attr is for control the L2ONLY spoofing | 12:36 |
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| yalie | sdague: when no IP address | 12:36 |
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| yalie | sdague: that neutron's port could have no IP don't depend on it, it has been supported for a while | 12:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yalie: so we added this check in Nova for a very strong reason | 12:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | yalie: users got very confused, and ended up with VMs they couldn't use | 12:37 |
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| yalie | we can add/remove the IP addrss of the port from neutron API | 12:37 |
| sdague | yalie: right, as johnthetubaguy said, we have this check because in the common case this completely confuses and breaks normal users | 12:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | now if you explicitly say "hey this port should have no IP address", then thats cool | 12:37 |
| sdague | this is clearly an exceptional case | 12:37 |
| sdague | it should be treated as such | 12:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yalie: I consider that a neutron bug, honestly | 12:38 |
| sdague | so require specific exception | 12:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 12:38 |
| sdague | which means the port needs to declare it's intent to not have an address | 12:38 |
| sdague | not happen to not have an address | 12:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep | 12:38 |
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| yalie | user could get a port no IP, and that would what they want to get. | 12:38 |
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| sdague | yalie: right, but I don't think you are listening, we want this explicit | 12:39 |
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| sdague | anyway, I left a -1 with review comments there | 12:39 |
| yalie | I see | 12:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | the check we added was due to real user issues | 12:39 |
| alex_xu | I think probably we should send this to the email, then get neutron guys feedback? | 12:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we should reply on the spec | 12:39 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: ok | 12:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | its very confusing to split info between both the ML and the spec, really | 12:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | unless we really need to | 12:40 |
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| yalie | ok | 12:40 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: got it | 12:40 |
| gmann_ | separate question, any plan to remove proxy of other services from Nova with single microversion ? | 12:40 |
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| sdague | gmann_: not any time soon, maybe next cycle | 12:41 |
| oomichi | gmann_: a single microversion will be huge impact to users.. | 12:41 |
| gmann_ | sdague: ok, it will be nice to remove those :) | 12:41 |
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| gmann_ | oomichi: hummm, may be service by service? | 12:41 |
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| oomichi | gmann_: that seems user-friendly :) | 12:42 |
| gmann_ | ok. | 12:42 |
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| alex_xu | I guess that is future thing | 12:42 |
| alex_xu | so let's move on | 12:42 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: yea | 12:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its next release | 12:42 |
| alex_xu | #topic API futures - patches for approved specs | 12:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | same for volume stuff | 12:42 |
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| alex_xu | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082113.html | 12:43 |
| alex_xu | some contributor get trouble with this, I probably will try to help him | 12:43 |
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| alex_xu | we need pass the microversion info into the extension point | 12:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | he did reach on IRC | 12:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the request does have the API version, so it can work correctly, roughly | 12:44 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yeh, he ping me last night, but he quits IRC when I wake up | 12:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but honestly, I think its probably better just to put that directly into the existing update method | 12:44 |
| sdague | is there an existing patch up? | 12:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know its got big, but it seems simpler to have that all in one place really | 12:44 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea, that will be good, but what about existed server_create method in user-data, move that also? | 12:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I think it actually relates to this spec: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/mitaka/approved/user-data-modification.html | 12:45 |
| alex_xu | sdague: not yet, at least I didn't saw one | 12:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: I think so | 12:45 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: probably I can have a patch up for merge user-data into servers | 12:46 |
| sdague | alex_xu: so, honestly, I think we need to figure out how to start collapsing the extrypoint code. As we're moving to not letting people disable these, we should stop treating them as pluggable things in the code | 12:46 |
| sdague | which might simplify | 12:46 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: yes, that means we need change our existed framework | 12:46 |
| sdague | yeh | 12:47 |
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| gmann_ | so no extension discovery at all right? | 12:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1, once we remove that config | 12:47 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: but I'm not sure how much work on this, and it needs some review I guess, that will block other developer | 12:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: thats now microversions right? | 12:47 |
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| oomichi | gmann_'s point is nice | 12:48 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: exactly | 12:48 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy yea | 12:48 |
| oomichi | list-extensions api cannot work if merging into a single place | 12:48 |
| sdague | alex_xu: right, so for the user_data, I think just moving into servers is probably fine | 12:48 |
| alex_xu | so probably two choices for now, merge the user-data into server or pass version to extension point | 12:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: it works, its just a static list now | 12:48 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: right | 12:48 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok | 12:48 |
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| gmann_ | but it might makes code little bit complex to have all merge in main fucntions? | 12:49 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: yeah, we can do that. but the code becomes really meaningless if doing that | 12:49 |
| sdague | honestly, long term, it would be really nice if the API code looked like the REST tree | 12:49 |
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| oomichi | but can agree with that because of microversions | 12:49 |
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| alex_xu | #action alex_xu take a look at merge user-data into servers and contact the conributor | 12:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: it also makes it complex to split a single API across three files, with different bits of versions all over the place | 12:49 |
| sdague | yeh, the current splits are really weird | 12:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 12:49 |
| gmann_ | humm | 12:50 |
| sdague | and you have extension file which are nearly all boiler plate | 12:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 for the code looking more like the REST API | 12:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: what do you mean the code becomes meaningless? | 12:50 |
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| gmann_ | i think there are more cases of server create, other are few | 12:50 |
| oomichi | current list of extensions are gotten from current extension framework | 12:50 |
| sdague | oomichi: right, but we've deprecated that | 12:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: when everything is always on by default, there will be much less branching in there | 12:51 |
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| sdague | extensions are no longer a thing in the future | 12:51 |
| oomichi | but if merging them into a single, nova needs to contain static list | 12:51 |
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| sdague | oomichi: right | 12:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | oomichi: agreed | 12:51 |
| gmann_ | and implementation vise we can rearange the server create also but from single function | 12:51 |
| sdague | it's only there for compatibility reasons | 12:51 |
| oomichi | sdague: yeah | 12:51 |
| alex_xu | one more work in this release, we should remove the extension white/block options | 12:51 |
| alex_xu | s/block/black/ | 12:51 |
| sdague | alex_xu: honestly, that's also probably next cycle because we need a better story around policy | 12:52 |
| oomichi | to be honest, I am still afraid to merge them into a single, because servers.py will be huge | 12:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: honestly, I think we might want to wait until next cycle, its a big thing to remove | 12:52 |
| oomichi | and unreadable | 12:52 |
| alex_xu | ok | 12:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, policy... arg | 12:52 |
| sdague | ok, we're drifting | 12:52 |
| alex_xu | for now, our developer have to something like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128940/90/nova/api/openstack/compute/extension_info.py ... | 12:52 |
| sdague | so API related patches | 12:52 |
| gmann_ | oomichi yea, like legacy server create code | 12:52 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:glance_image_config,n,z | 12:53 |
| sdague | this changes the way we configure glance servers | 12:53 |
| sdague | it's needed to be able to root all the services at one http server on subtrees | 12:53 |
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| sdague | I also found a couple more XML references in our docs - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257506/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257507/ | 12:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | did we agree on the way forward for that extending of user_data, I think just do in inline right? | 12:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: should we add the XML stuff into the above topic? | 12:54 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: I'm ok with that | 12:55 |
| oomichi | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 12:55 |
| sdague | so, we could, although honestly I'd rather just get a better dashboard | 12:55 |
| gmann_ | yup | 12:55 |
| alex_xu | 5 mins left | 12:56 |
| sdague | https://goo.gl/ji0NGf | 12:56 |
| sdague | I think that catches most things | 12:56 |
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| alex_xu | let me jump to open directly, because I saw something in agenda | 12:56 |
| alex_xu | #topic open | 12:56 |
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| gmann_ | sdague Thanks, thats nice | 12:57 |
| oomichi | sdague: cool dashboard | 12:57 |
| alex_xu | sdague: cool | 12:57 |
| Kevin_Zheng | HI, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248989/ | 12:58 |
| Kevin_Zheng | this patch | 12:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | added the dashboard into the bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 12:58 |
| Kevin_Zheng | it exposes Quiesce and Unquiesce API | 12:58 |
| Kevin_Zheng | the spec has already approved | 12:58 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | Hope more people can review this one | 12:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Kevin_Zheng: I have marked the blueprint as NeedsCodeReview, so reviewers know its ready | 12:59 |
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| alex_xu | so one min left | 12:59 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | johnthetubaguy, Thanks alot | 13:00 |
| Kevin_Zheng | johnthetubaguy: Thanks alot | 13:00 |
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| alex_xu | ok, thanks for all, free to openstack-nova to continue discussion | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 13:00:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-12-15-12.00.html | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-12-15-12.00.txt | 13:00 |
| gmann_ | Thanks All | 13:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2015/nova_api.2015-12-15-12.00.log.html | 13:00 |
| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 15 13:00:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
| Qiming | evening | 13:01 |
| Liuqing | \o | 13:01 |
| Qiming | hi, Liuqing | 13:01 |
| elynn | o/ | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | hi | 13:01 |
| Qiming | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda | 13:01 |
| Qiming | please check the agenda and see if you want to add something | 13:02 |
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| yanyanhu | haiwei is logging, he met some network issues | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | yes, saw that, yanyanhu | 13:02 |
| Qiming | let's get started | 13:02 |
| Qiming | #topic mitaka work items | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mitaka work items (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:03 | |
| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-mitaka-workitems | 13:03 |
| Qiming | heat resource type support | 13:03 |
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| elynn | Hi | 13:03 |
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| elynn | I'm working on update for cluster | 13:03 |
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| Qiming | need help? | 13:03 |
| elynn | but I notice that there are many adjustment when doing update | 13:04 |
| elynn | Yes, have some questions | 13:04 |
| elynn | https://github.com/openstack/python-senlinclient/blob/master/senlinclient/v1/shell.py#L774 | 13:04 |
| elynn | Do we need to support them all? | 13:04 |
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| Qiming | think from heat's perspective | 13:05 |
| elynn | If so, I might need to add more properties... | 13:05 |
| Qiming | we won't be able to support all IMO | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | because heat is about nouns, not verbs | 13:05 |
| elynn | like update_policy or something... | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | the only way to make change is through the single command 'stack-update' | 13:05 |
| elynn | So for now, it's easy to support this adjustment type https://github.com/openstack/python-senlinclient/blob/master/senlinclient/v1/shell.py#L768 | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | the resize operation is too flexible for heat to invoke | 13:06 |
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| Qiming | I'm suggesting that we think from heat's perspective | 13:06 |
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| elynn | Qiming: Yes, I think so... | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | what Heat sees is a cluster resource with 'desired_capacity', 'min_size', max_size' etc | 13:07 |
| Qiming | those are properties you can change through heat | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | change <=> update | 13:07 |
| elynn | So we need to have an agreement here, that we are not support to resize cluster by percentage for now. | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | yes, just as Qiming said, we actually don't need to support anyone of them for cluster update | 13:08 |
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| Qiming | there is no 'resize' operation from heat | 13:08 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:08 |
| yanyanhu | so we just need to pick one for backend implmentation | 13:08 |
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| elynn | OK I got your point, for now I will only support to update desired_capacity', 'min_size', max_size' etc | 13:08 |
| Qiming | right | 13:09 |
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| Qiming | other questions? | 13:09 |
| elynn | ok, then my codes for that will be ready soon. | 13:09 |
| Qiming | cool | 13:09 |
| elynn | Have you review exists codes? | 13:09 |
| Qiming | yes, they look fine to me | 13:09 |
| elynn | They are ready for review. | 13:09 |
| lixinhui | cool | 13:10 |
| Qiming | I'm holding my +2 | 13:10 |
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| elynn | good, let's wait a while for other reviewers. | 13:10 |
| Qiming | will continue to help review to make the code satisfactory to all reviewers | 13:10 |
| Qiming | moving on | 13:10 |
| Qiming | #topic client test | 13:10 |
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| Qiming | patch #251798 is merged | 13:11 |
| patchbot | Qiming: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251798/ - Add test case for v1/shell.py part2 (MERGED) | 13:11 |
| Qiming | I'm not working on that recently | 13:11 |
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| Qiming | haiwei is offline again | 13:12 |
| Qiming | let's move on | 13:12 |
| Qiming | #topic API modification | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | I think we are almost done with it | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | I saw related workitem has been removed from TODO | 13:12 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:12 |
| Qiming | need a release note for this | 13:13 |
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| yanyanhu | yes | 13:13 |
| Qiming | will remove it from etherpad after adding a release note | 13:13 |
| Qiming | #topic health policy | 13:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "health policy (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:13 | |
| Qiming | xinhui and I had a discussion last weekend | 13:14 |
| Liuqing | cool | 13:14 |
| elynn | Any conclusion? | 13:14 |
| Qiming | I think we have got a rough idea for implementing this, xinhui has already started playing with some polling code | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | well, we need some design docs for this, at least a blueprint for guys to review | 13:15 |
| lixinhui | okay | 13:15 |
| lixinhui | Qiming, I will draft one | 13:15 |
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| Qiming | okay, it's yours now, lixinhui | 13:15 |
| lixinhui | for you and everyone's review | 13:15 |
| Qiming | let's wait for something to review | 13:16 |
| Qiming | #topic profile support for update | 13:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "profile support for update (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:16 | |
| Qiming | this is a huge topic, will stay there for a long time I guess | 13:16 |
| Qiming | besides nova server profile, we also need to consider heat stack profile | 13:16 |
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| yanyanhu | yes | 13:17 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, anything new from you? | 13:17 |
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| yanyanhu | sorry just didn\t spend so much time on this work last week | 13:17 |
| elynn | I think heat stack profile might be easy to update by calling stack-update | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | yep | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | trapped by mesos works... | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | will resume the progress this week | 13:17 |
| Qiming | cool | 13:17 |
| Qiming | #topic receiver | 13:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "receiver (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:18 | |
| Qiming | last week we have db layer and engine layer merged | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | and I will start thinking about update of heat stack profile type | 13:18 |
| Qiming | will continue to finish the engine layer | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | yea, I saw engine and db realted support have been added | 13:18 |
| Qiming | when creating a receiver of webhook, we will do something simpler | 13:18 |
| Qiming | previously, we over-designed the authentication support | 13:19 |
| Qiming | I'm thinking of simplifying it | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | yes, saw your comment in whiteboard | 13:19 |
| Qiming | will propose something for review this week | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | I think I agree with it | 13:19 |
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| Qiming | thanks | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | quick question, so refactoring of Webhook class will come later? | 13:20 |
| Qiming | there won't be a refactor of webhook class | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | especially about the creation | 13:20 |
| Qiming | I'm working on it | 13:20 |
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| xuhaiwei | Hi | 13:21 |
| Qiming | the credential generation and url creation process is too/unnecessarily complicated | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | just saw a simple definition here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257046/3/senlin/engine/receiver.py | 13:21 |
| elynn | hi xuhaiwei | 13:21 |
| Liuqing | hi xuhaiwei | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | hi | 13:21 |
| Qiming | finally, xuhaiwei, :) | 13:21 |
| lixinhui | hi haiwei | 13:21 |
| xuhaiwei | I come from my phone | 13:21 |
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| Qiming | i'm thinking of an alarm_url of format: http://ip:port/v1/webhooks/<webhook_id/trigger?v=1?params=blah | 13:22 |
| Liuqing | haha anyway.. | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | I guess we still need a function like 'generate_channel' for each type of receiver? | 13:22 |
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| Qiming | each receiver type will override that method to create a channel | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | I'm ok with that | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | this is what I mean | 13:22 |
| Qiming | moving on | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | #topic engine improvement | 13:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "engine improvement (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:23 | |
| Qiming | funtional test for lock breaker? | 13:23 |
| elynn | I found it's hard to simulate lock breaker in functional tests | 13:23 |
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| xuhaiwei | maybe I have missed a lot, about the web hook creation, I agree that we should improve the url creation | 13:23 |
| elynn | we need to kill senlin-engine during functional tests, but that might affect other tests. | 13:24 |
| Qiming | xuhaiwei, you can (i.e. have to) catch up later, :) | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, yes, the most difficult part is how to avoid influencing other test cases that run concurrently :) | 13:24 |
| elynn | Unless I can operated db_api directly to create a fake dead action, but it's not doable in functional tests. | 13:25 |
| Qiming | maybe we need a different gate job? | 13:25 |
| xuhaiwei | about the engine-lock breaker, can we test it by hand, maybe not by source code? | 13:25 |
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| yanyanhu | anyway to enforce functional test cases run sequently? | 13:25 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, I have no idea | 13:25 |
| elynn | xuhaiwei: Yes, we can tests it by hand, I write the reproduce steps in the bug report | 13:25 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, that is possible.Or we just split them in post_test_hook? | 13:26 |
| Liuqing | agree with xuhaiwei , now could we reproduce the lock breaker? | 13:26 |
| Qiming | looks like we need a separate gate job for this | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | but that still needs individual tox test entry definition | 13:26 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:26 |
| Qiming | please keep digging | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | Liuqing, we can produce it by 'kill -1 $PID_ENGINE' | 13:27 |
| Qiming | unit test for parser is done | 13:27 |
| elynn | ok, so the worst situation is to create a new gate job for this? | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | service will be restarted and new engine will be created | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, yes, I guess so | 13:28 |
| elynn | Qiming: Yes | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | but maybe we can avoid it | 13:28 |
| xuhaiwei | unit test for v1/shell.py is alomost, I will submit part3 tomorrow | 13:28 |
| Qiming | thanks, xuhaiwei | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, lets make some further discussion later | 13:28 |
| elynn | yanyanhu: let me dig more deeper. | 13:28 |
| Qiming | xuhaiwei, then we will need to cleanse the senlinclient code | 13:28 |
| Qiming | we are removing the models and client code from senlinclient | 13:29 |
| xuhaiwei | by writ ing test case, I fixed some bugs , so it took a little time | 13:29 |
| xuhaiwei | yes, Qiming | 13:29 |
| Qiming | #topic functional test broken | 13:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "functional test broken (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:29 | |
| xuhaiwei | you mean we should try to put them all in SDK? | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | we are still trapped by the db concurrency problem | 13:30 |
| Qiming | will keep digging into that | 13:30 |
| Qiming | first thing is to remove the MutableList data type, it is not concurrency friendly anyway, and see if that solves the problem | 13:30 |
| Qiming | the last resort woud be some per-session isolation level customization, which will make the code veeeeeeeeeeeeery ugly | 13:31 |
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| yanyanhu | Qiming, I think the latest patch has fixed this issue? | 13:31 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, not 100% sure | 13:31 |
| Qiming | still need to watch it | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | ok, will also help to do some tests locally | 13:32 |
| Qiming | #topic High priority bugs | 13:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "High priority bugs (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:32 | |
| yanyanhu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256949/ | 13:32 |
| Qiming | the first one is what we have been talking about | 13:32 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, 'check experimental' still fails with that patch, though in different ways | 13:33 |
| Qiming | need to look into the detailed logs | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, ok, will dig it | 13:34 |
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| Qiming | bug #1486381 seems not completely solved yet, need to watch it | 13:34 |
| openstack | bug 1486381 in senlin "node-deadlocked-by-action" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486381 - Assigned to Yanyan Hu (yanyanhu) | 13:34 |
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| Qiming | bug #1509145 is solved | 13:34 |
| openstack | bug 1509145 in senlin "node status should update to 'ERROR' when fail to create nova instance " [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1509145 - Assigned to lvdongbing (dbcocle) | 13:34 |
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| yanyanhu | yes, I remeber this bug | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | will check whether it is still there after applying elynn's patch about lock breaker | 13:35 |
| Qiming | bug #1495449 is the same? | 13:35 |
| openstack | bug 1495449 in senlin "cluster action dependency list can't be updated correctly" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1495449 - Assigned to Yanyan Hu (yanyanhu) | 13:35 |
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| yanyanhu | Qiming, this is the bug about concurrency issue in DB | 13:35 |
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| yanyanhu | I reopened it about two weeks ago | 13:36 |
| Qiming | okay, we still need to solve 1486381 right? | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | I think we need more tests and verification before closing it again | 13:36 |
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| yanyanhu | hmm, not sure, but I guess so | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | I hope elynn's patch have resolved it | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | but need confirmation | 13:36 |
| Qiming | okay, please help verify | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:37 |
| elynn | yanyanhu, If not, I will work on it... | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, thanks :) | 13:37 |
| Qiming | I have spent some time on clearing the backlog of bug reports | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | #action recheck assigned bugs | 13:37 |
| Qiming | now it is almost clean | 13:37 |
| xuhaiwei | good | 13:38 |
| lixinhui | cool | 13:38 |
| Qiming | with recent changes at gate, we will have bugs automatically closed | 13:38 |
| Qiming | Haven't spent time on the blueprint backlog | 13:38 |
| Qiming | okay, feel free to comment | 13:39 |
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| xuhaiwei | I assigned a new BP about cross az/region deletion policy | 13:40 |
| Qiming | and ... I'm moving on, :) got quite some topics to cover today | 13:40 |
| Qiming | #topic mid-cycle meetup | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | thanks xuhaiwei | 13:40 |
| xuhaiwei | I like this topic | 13:40 |
| xuhaiwei | mid-cycle meetup | 13:40 |
| xuhaiwei | should we have it in Beijing? | 13:40 |
| Qiming | yes, would like to hear what you think | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | the key is where is the meeting site :) | 13:40 |
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| xuhaiwei | I want to breath some Beijing's air | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | :P | 13:41 |
| lixinhui | brave man | 13:41 |
| Qiming | xuhaiwei, ... | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | you're brave | 13:41 |
| Qiming | okay, we can host you | 13:41 |
| xuhaiwei | if you need some masks, I will take for you | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | wow, that will be great :) | 13:42 |
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| lixinhui | :) | 13:42 |
| xuhaiwei | do we actually need one? if it is, how long will last | 13:42 |
| elynn | ;) | 13:42 |
| Qiming | if guys are interested in sitting together for a hot discussion, please propose a date time? | 13:42 |
| elynn | and when | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | maybe just a simple meetup, like what we have done in Tokyo | 13:43 |
| Qiming | ... we will have meeting room | 13:43 |
| Qiming | okay? | 13:43 |
| Qiming | not just a table, :) | 13:43 |
| xuhaiwei | IBM will host? | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | maybe in our office? | 13:43 |
| Qiming | yes, we'd love to | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | I guess that is ok for us? | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | or we can go to vmware site? | 13:44 |
| lixinhui | sure | 13:44 |
| lixinhui | we can offer free drinks and cakes | 13:45 |
| Qiming | yes, i like your office! | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | about the date, I think that depends on when is convenient time for you guys who have to travel to Beijing | 13:45 |
| xuhaiwei | sounds great | 13:45 |
| lixinhui | :) | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, me too! | 13:45 |
| lixinhui | great! | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | next week would be a busy week for me | 13:46 |
| Qiming | I may have to travel | 13:46 |
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| yanyanhu | what about you, xuhaiwei ? | 13:46 |
| yanyanhu | most of us are in Beijing :) | 13:46 |
| xuhaiwei | and for me, the new years vocation will be about 10 days | 13:46 |
| Qiming | right, xuhaiwei, you will be the VIP | 13:46 |
| Qiming | Liuqing, can you come? | 13:47 |
| xuhaiwei | if the meet up is long enough, I will probably go | 13:47 |
| Liuqing | i'm coming | 13:47 |
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| yanyanhu | Liuqing is not in Beijing? | 13:47 |
| Qiming | thanks. let's schedule for two days | 13:47 |
| xuhaiwei | if it is only half of a day, I think I can't go | 13:47 |
| Liuqing | I'm in wuxi,jiangsu | 13:47 |
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| yanyanhu | nice place :) | 13:48 |
| lixinhui | I like wuxi too | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, two days is ok for me | 13:48 |
| Liuqing | haha thanks yanyanhu, lixinhui | 13:48 |
| Qiming | xuhaiwei, please let us know your preferred date | 13:48 |
| xuhaiwei | I will report to my leader tomorrow to get the budget | 13:48 |
| Qiming | we will schedule this | 13:48 |
| elynn | Anytime is ok for me ;) | 13:48 |
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| xuhaiwei | ok, Qiming | 13:49 |
| Qiming | #topic release model | 13:49 |
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| Qiming | just got email from ttx, he suggests we switch from release:independent to release:cycle-with-intermediary | 13:49 |
| Qiming | it is for better release management | 13:49 |
| Qiming | eventually, we are moving to that model | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | intermediary means? | 13:50 |
| Qiming | since ttx is encouraging us to do that earlier | 13:50 |
| Qiming | maybe we should follow his suggestions | 13:50 |
| Qiming | http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/release_cycle-with-intermediary.html | 13:50 |
| Qiming | http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/release_cycle-with-milestones.html | 13:51 |
| xuhaiwei | also don't understand what we should do | 13:51 |
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| elynn | Any code change in senlin? | 13:51 |
| Qiming | The “release:cycle-with-intermediary” tag describes which projects follow the second option: multiple releases during the development cycle, with a final release to match the end of the cycle. | 13:51 |
| Qiming | no code change in senlin | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | we will be doing release tagging more frequently | 13:52 |
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| yanyanhu | I see | 13:52 |
| Qiming | have to set clearer goals for each milestone | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | just want to share with the team where we are | 13:53 |
| Qiming | we could have produced a release earlier | 13:53 |
| Qiming | There are many temptations to do that | 13:53 |
| Qiming | but we are trying to get our code as stable as possible before doing the first release | 13:54 |
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| Qiming | that is the only reason we are not releasing things so far | 13:54 |
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| Qiming | #topic open | 13:54 |
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| Qiming | sorry for always talking tooooooo much | 13:54 |
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| yanyanhu | this is what you should do :) | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | as the ptl | 13:55 |
| xuhaiwei | haha | 13:55 |
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| yanyanhu | Qiming, I think we can catch next milestone since the API reorg has almost been done | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | and also the rework of receiver is in good progress | 13:55 |
| xuhaiwei | some new guys came to senlin recently | 13:55 |
| Qiming | yes, we also need to get the top priority bugs fixed | 13:55 |
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| yanyanhu | after verifying the DB concurrency issue is resovled, I think we are ready for it | 13:56 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, agreed | 13:56 |
| Qiming | ... receiver | 13:56 |
| * Qiming is kicking himself | 13:56 | |
| yanyanhu | :P | 13:56 |
| xuhaiwei | does anyone hear about tempest-plugin? | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu | xuhaiwei, great | 13:57 |
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| yanyanhu | what is that for? | 13:57 |
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| xuhaiwei | that is something for external project unit test which can be ran in tempest | 13:57 |
| xuhaiwei | not know well about that | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | If I'm understanding it correctly, it can help do some surface test | 13:58 |
| xuhaiwei | there is a tempest core in our team who is an expert | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | I know the defcore project is relying on tempest | 13:59 |
| xuhaiwei | like make a link from senlin unit test to tempest, and then ran it from tempest | 13:59 |
| elynn | he suggest we move functional tests base on tempest plugin? | 13:59 |
| Qiming | xuhaiwei, go ahead | 13:59 |
| xuhaiwei | no, elynn | 13:59 |
| Qiming | we will continue to be a good citizen in the community, following whatever guidance if needed | 13:59 |
| xuhaiwei | some projects are importing it | 13:59 |
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| xuhaiwei | maybe we need someday | 14:00 |
| Qiming | time's up guys | 14:00 |
| xuhaiwei | see u | 14:00 |
| Qiming | thanks for joining | 14:00 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| yanyanhu | thanks | 14:00 |
| armax | hi | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 14:00:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-12-15-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-12-15-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-12-15-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
| mhickey | Hi | 14:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 14:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:00 |
| hichihara | hi | 14:00 |
| rossella_s | hi | 14:00 |
| yushiro2 | hi | 14:00 |
| mestery | Hi | 14:00 |
| yamahata | hi | 14:00 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 14:00 |
| armax | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 15 14:00:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| kevinbenton | hi | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:00 |
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| * regXboi is here but a little busy for the first 30 minutes or so :( | 14:01 | |
| dasm | hello o/ | 14:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | howdy | 14:01 |
| annp | Hi all, | 14:01 |
| garyk | hi all | 14:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 14:01 |
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| HenryG | o/ | 14:01 |
| ajo | o/ hi | 14:01 |
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| garyk | Sam-I-Am: tmi | 14:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | garyk: ha | 14:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | garyk: be very afraid | 14:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 14:01 |
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| garyk | Sam-I-Am: :) | 14:01 |
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| rtheis | hi | 14:01 |
| armax | last week we started going over the blueprint and RFE backlog | 14:01 |
| * regXboi asks "what is coffee?" | 14:01 | |
| armax | we only managed to go through half | 14:01 |
| garyk | i am only afraid of the wrath of the ptl ... | 14:02 |
| mestery | lol | 14:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | armax: isnt it super early for you? | 14:02 |
| armax | it was decided to go over the other half this time | 14:02 |
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| armax | Sam-I-Am: yes it is | 14:02 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 14:02 |
| akamyshnikova | hi | 14:02 |
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| armax | garyk: you experienced nothing of my wrath yet | 14:02 |
| garyk | :) | 14:02 |
| armax | garyk: you’ll see | 14:02 |
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| obondarev_afk | o/ | 14:02 |
| armax | so before we dive in | 14:02 |
| sbelous_ | hi there | 14:03 |
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| armax | I’ll like to summon HenryG | 14:03 |
| Vikram___ | Hi | 14:03 |
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| armax | as he was the deputy for last week | 14:03 |
| armax | #topic Bugs | 14:03 |
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| Vikram___ | Sorry to be late | 14:03 |
| garyk | HenryG: chop chop | 14:03 |
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| garyk | on that note, if people are away next week i can take the role | 14:03 |
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| armax | before HenryG refreshed his memory | 14:04 |
| armax | this week’s deputy is carl_baldwin | 14:04 |
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| ajo | carl_baldwin++ | 14:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 14:04 |
| armax | the next couple of weeks I expect are gonna be quite | 14:04 |
| armax | but we’re uncovered | 14:04 |
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| russellb | hi | 14:04 |
| armax | anyone (who hasn’t done it before) willing to volunteer? | 14:04 |
| HenryG | sorry I didn't realize we were startgin with bugs | 14:05 |
| kevinbenton | me | 14:05 |
| amotoki | next week? I can | 14:05 |
| dougwig | Every Tim a bug is filed, drink a glass of egg nog. | 14:05 |
| HenryG | There is not much to report | 14:05 |
| dougwig | Time | 14:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: i like your thinking | 14:05 |
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| armax | amotoki: ok | 14:05 |
| ajo | I will be PTO'ing from Dec 21st to Jan 4th but It'd be glad to take another slot afterwards | 14:05 |
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| armax | #action amotoki deputy for the week of Dec 21 | 14:06 |
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| HenryG | I will note there is no critical gate bug, yet the need to do rechecks remains uncomfortably high | 14:07 |
| armax | HenryG: ok, not even a little gossip? | 14:07 |
| armax | HenryG: I noticed there was a gate failure with linuxbridge | 14:07 |
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| armax | but it didn’t seem to occur often in the gate | 14:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | armax: master or another branch? | 14:08 |
| armax | the new logstash UI and way to share urls is appalling to say the least | 14:08 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: I think it was master | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | hmm odd, we found some problems in stable/liberty last week | 14:08 |
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| dougwig | Do we need to file something for that? Who is on that? | 14:08 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: I know that stable broke at one point | 14:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | HenryG: can you feed me a link to a broken patch? | 14:08 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: it’s on the bug report | 14:08 |
| armax | hang on | 14:08 |
| HenryG | I think we're being dragged down by multiple low-frequency issues | 14:08 |
| armax | http://logs.openstack.org/66/254166/2/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-linuxbridge/350516d/ | 14:09 |
| mhickey | clear | 14:09 |
| mhickey | sorry | 14:09 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: it was master | 14:09 |
| armax | HenryG: where? | 14:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | armax: i'll poke at this | 14:10 |
| HenryG | armax: just in general | 14:10 |
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| armax | I added the linuxbridge job to the dashboard, the failure rate seems relatively under control | 14:10 |
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| armax | we’ll keep on monitoring it | 14:10 |
| HenryG | armax: I wish it were easy to pin down | 14:10 |
| armax | HenryG: ok | 14:10 |
| armax | HenryG: yes, it can be very dauting to pinpoint where issues lie | 14:11 |
| armax | anyhow | 14:11 |
| armax | thanks HenryG! | 14:11 |
| armax | let’s move on | 14:11 |
| armax | #topic Blueprints | 14:11 |
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| armax | last week we finished with the autogen of config files | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | mhickey++ | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | yay | 14:12 |
| armax | next up is | 14:12 |
| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-lb-ratelimit-support | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm working through the docimpact bugs for those | 14:12 |
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| armax | ihrachys: ping | 14:12 |
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| armax | whiteboard is langhishing | 14:12 |
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| ihrachys | armax: we have some patches up, but needed to accommodate for common l2 agent code work by Andreas | 14:13 |
| armax | the only patch I can see is this one: | 14:13 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236210/ | 14:13 |
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| ihrachys | also LB fullstack/functional tests are needed, Slawek is working on them | 14:13 |
| armax | ihrachys: ok | 14:13 |
| ihrachys | you better check all work by Slawek: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:slawek%2540kaplonski.pl+status:open,n,z | 14:13 |
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| ihrachys | he seems to work on this stuff only | 14:13 |
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| ihrachys | so there is work ongoing, hopefully, M2 | 14:14 |
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| armax | ihrachys: ok cool | 14:14 |
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| armax | next | 14:15 |
| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/add-availability-zone | 14:15 |
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| armax | hichihara and armax are tagged on this one | 14:15 |
| armax | I can give an update | 14:15 |
| armax | this is mostly complete: we need tests to merge and docs to go in | 14:15 |
| armax | there was a performance issue | 14:16 |
| hichihara | Yes! | 14:16 |
| armax | introduced lately | 14:16 |
| armax | but kevinbenton is working on it | 14:16 |
| garyk | what was nice about this one is that all of the release notes were added with the patches :) | 14:16 |
| armax | yes, mestery is thankful for that and all the patches that do provide notes | 14:16 |
| mestery | Indeed | 14:16 |
| armax | there was another issue discovered with the way agents were balanced | 14:16 |
| hichihara | Please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210977/ :) And I also upload doc patch tomorrow. | 14:17 |
| armax | so it looks like the feature is being looked at and issues are being discovered | 14:17 |
| * carl_baldwin notes to add release notes to some patches | 14:17 | |
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| armax | next up | 14:18 |
| xiaohhui | Another issue for AZ needs review | 14:18 |
| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/network-ip-usage-api | 14:18 |
| xiaohhui | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253330/ | 14:18 |
| armax | xiaohhui: yes, that’s the one I was referring to | 14:18 |
| armax | kevinbenton: you up? | 14:18 |
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| kevinbenton | yes | 14:18 |
| hichihara | xiaohhui: Thank you for your help. It's ready for me. | 14:18 |
| armax | attaboy | 14:19 |
| armax | what’s up with this one? | 14:19 |
| xiaohhui | np :) | 14:19 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: looks like the spec is still churning | 14:19 |
| kevinbenton | the network-usage-api? | 14:19 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: ya | 14:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | looks like we need more paint | 14:20 |
| kevinbenton | there was some confusion about whether to put the REST API in the spec | 14:20 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180803/ | 14:20 |
| armax | ok | 14:20 |
| armax | I’ll look into it, typically some rest snippets can be helpful for the conversation | 14:21 |
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| armax | but as usual in openstack we’re not consistent | 14:21 |
| armax | and there’s no enforcement | 14:21 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: any code ready to be reviewed? | 14:22 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: i'm not sure. i think there was something they had floating around a while ago but i'm not sure it has been updated | 14:22 |
| armax | kevinbenton: can you find out, please? | 14:23 |
| kevinbenton | armax: ok | 14:23 |
| armax | kevinbenton: is there david around? | 14:23 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: i don't know | 14:23 |
| armax | between you and him, we should be able to find out anything there is to know about the blueprint | 14:24 |
| armax | approver and assignee should got it covered | 14:24 |
| armax | anyway | 14:24 |
| armax | next up | 14:24 |
| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/select-active-l3-agent | 14:24 |
| xiaohhui | I am working on this one | 14:24 |
| armax | amuller, anything worthy? | 14:24 |
| armax | of sharing | 14:24 |
| armax | xiaohhui: ok | 14:25 |
| amuller | there's a new revision from like 2 minutes ago, haven't had the chance to review it | 14:25 |
| armax | amuller: | 14:25 |
| armax | great | 14:25 |
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| armax | xiaohhui: link? | 14:25 |
| xiaohhui | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257299/ | 14:25 |
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| xiaohhui | I just addressed some of martin's comment | 14:26 |
| armax | ok | 14:26 |
| armax | so you’re still in the specification phase | 14:26 |
| xiaohhui | yes~ | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | xiaohhui: why not just use standard vrrp priorities? | 14:26 |
| amuller | adding a new API that is specific to a particular flavor of routers is kinda meh, so we'll have to weigh that in when reviewing the pros and cons of the spec | 14:27 |
| armax | amuller: ok | 14:27 |
| xiaohhui | Don't want to make it too complicated | 14:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | this seems overly complex? | 14:27 |
| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/address-scopes | 14:27 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin ping | 14:28 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 14:28 |
| armax | this looks to have a long history of reviews | 14:29 |
| carl_baldwin | going well I think. one more patch merged | 14:29 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: any more left? | 14:29 |
| carl_baldwin | 3 main ones. next one is close. I need to address one thing today. | 14:29 |
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| armax | they are all server side? | 14:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | one is. other two are agent side | 14:30 |
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| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/address-scopes+status:open,n,z | 14:31 |
| armax | gives me 7 patches | 14:31 |
| armax | they all seem to be current | 14:31 |
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| carl_baldwin | oh, there is a small fix from tidwellr and a client patch for it | 14:31 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: cool, I shall be able to help with that one | 14:31 |
| armax | with amotoki | 14:31 |
| armax | in fact | 14:31 |
| armax | it’s already approved | 14:31 |
| armax | but it needs a rebase | 14:32 |
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| armax | I’ll touch base with salv | 14:32 |
| carl_baldwin | start here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189500/ | 14:32 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: cool | 14:33 |
| armax | next one | 14:33 |
| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/rbac-qos | 14:33 |
| armax | ajo: news? | 14:33 |
| ajo | hi | 14:33 |
| ajo | hdaniel has posted a spec, 1 sec | 14:33 |
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| armax | ajo: need help with the spec? | 14:34 |
| ajo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254224/ | 14:34 |
| ajo | may be some kevinbenton's eyes would be great on it | 14:34 |
| armax | kevinbenton: you’re the man | 14:34 |
| armax | can you spare a few moments? you’re the RBAC father | 14:34 |
| ajo | it's looking good to me already, but it's likely I could be missing simething | 14:34 |
| ajo | something | 14:34 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, i'll take a look | 14:35 |
| armax | RBAC’s papa | 14:35 |
| ajo | :-D | 14:35 |
| armax | cool | 14:35 |
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| armax | ajo: what about the code? | 14:36 |
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| armax | I see lots of red | 14:36 |
| ajo | we have code, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250081/ and ... | 14:36 |
| ajo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250082/ | 14:36 |
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| ajo | but as you said, lot's of red, haim focused on the spec | 14:36 |
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| ajo | and stopped that until we make sure everything looks right, AFAIK | 14:36 |
| armax | ok | 14:36 |
| ajo | but, it didn't seem complicated give kevinbenton's framework :) | 14:37 |
| armax | next one | 14:37 |
| armax | kevinbenton does spawn well when he does | 14:37 |
| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/bgp-dynamic-routing | 14:37 |
| ajo | :) | 14:37 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: yello | 14:37 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi, I sense this has stalled a bit but tidwellr has been away | 14:38 |
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| Vikram___ | Hi | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | carl_baldwin: this one looks interesting | 14:38 |
| carl_baldwin | Vikram___: how are things? | 14:38 |
| Vikram___ | It's good | 14:38 |
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| armax | do we have a sense on how far we are | 14:38 |
| Vikram___ | We expect reviews to be opened by this week | 14:39 |
| carl_baldwin | I have been in a holding pattern. should I be reviewing now? | 14:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | should be interesting to gate this | 14:39 |
| Vikram___ | Just Ryan need to catch up a little | 14:39 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/bgp-dynamic-routing+status:open,n,z | 14:39 |
| armax | seems there’s a bit of work to do | 14:39 |
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| Vikram___ | Address-scope and DVR stuff is pending | 14:40 |
| armax | Vikram___: links? | 14:40 |
| Vikram___ | Everything else is ready | 14:40 |
| armax | Vikram___: ready to review? | 14:40 |
| Vikram___ | armax: 1 sec | 14:40 |
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| armax | I see merge conflicts all over the place | 14:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | doesnt look ready to me | 14:41 |
| armax | me neither | 14:41 |
| armax | ok this needs some love | 14:41 |
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| Vikram___ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/bgp-dynamic-routing,n,z | 14:41 |
| Vikram___ | Just got to polish a bit | 14:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | i see red | 14:42 |
| Vikram___ | Will resolve by this week | 14:42 |
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| armax | next one | 14:42 |
| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/vlan-aware-vms | 14:42 |
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| armax | I have looked at this quite a bit | 14:42 |
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| armax | rossella_s too I believe | 14:42 |
| armax | and a few others | 14:43 |
| armax | we’re back to revising the model being proposed | 14:43 |
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| rossella_s | yep | 14:43 |
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| armax | I need to review the latest revision | 14:43 |
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| armax | but it does look like we might have resolved the conondrum that held us back | 14:44 |
| armax | we’ll have to look at the code | 14:44 |
| armax | is bence around? | 14:44 |
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| armax | rossella_s: you aware of any current code being posted? | 14:44 |
| rubasov | I'm here | 14:44 |
| armax | rubasov: hi | 14:45 |
| rubasov | hi armax | 14:45 |
| russellb | latest version looking pretty good to me | 14:45 |
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| rossella_s | armax, AFAIK there was code posted, based on the old spec. I don't know of any patch for this "new" spec | 14:45 |
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| rubasov | I hope we can finalize it soon, so we can start coding | 14:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | curious how this works with ovs | 14:45 |
| armax | rossella_s, rubasov: I think it’s safe to start | 14:45 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: code doesn't exist yet :) but i can explain out of meeting | 14:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | russellb: yes, lets chat | 14:46 |
| armax | unless a train wreck hits us, there should not be major changes disrupting the work | 14:46 |
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| rossella_s | finally!! yuppie :) | 14:46 |
| rubasov | rossella: yes we need to abandon the old patches and write new stuff now | 14:46 |
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| armax | I’ll ask someone from nova to make sure they are happy with the final outcome | 14:46 |
| armax | rubasov: please do | 14:46 |
| rossella_s | armax, good point, thanks | 14:46 |
| rubasov | will do, thanks | 14:46 |
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| armax | rubasov, russellb who is in charge of the nova side change | 14:47 |
| armax | to deal with the bridge creation? | 14:47 |
| russellb | in theory the only change is to allow neutron to tell nova the name of the bridge to use | 14:48 |
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| russellb | instead of only supporting a single bridge, with a name from nova.conf | 14:48 |
| russellb | i filed a blueprint for that, which was approved | 14:48 |
| armax | russellb: right | 14:48 |
| russellb | so in theory i'm in charge of the nova side of the code | 14:48 |
| armax | russellb: there you go! | 14:48 |
| russellb | i'm planning on implementing it | 14:48 |
| russellb | it should be a relatively small patch, i think :) | 14:48 |
| armax | you’d think? | 14:48 |
| armax | :) | 14:48 |
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| Sam-I-Am | russellb: can i quote you on that? | 14:49 |
| armax | that hust require changes neutron side too | 14:49 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: sure! | 14:49 |
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| armax | should | 14:49 |
| russellb | yes | 14:49 |
| armax | link? | 14:49 |
| armax | I don’t have it handy now | 14:49 |
| russellb | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/neutron-ovs-bridge-name | 14:49 |
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| armax | russellb: obregado | 14:49 |
| russellb | i was planning on doing it very soon to have it in place | 14:50 |
| russellb | but i got sidetracked adding Python 3 support to the Python ovs library | 14:50 |
| armax | russellb: We’ll track this neutron side too | 14:50 |
| russellb | armax: sounds good | 14:50 |
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| Sam-I-Am | russellb: can we talk about this too? | 14:50 |
| armax | next up | 14:50 |
| russellb | Sam-I-Am: we can talk about ALL THE THINGS! | 14:50 |
| armax | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/add-neutron-extension-resource-timestamp | 14:50 |
| armax | #link v | 14:50 |
| armax | #undo | 14:50 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0xa80f490> | 14:50 |
| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/add-neutron-extension-resource-timestamp | 14:50 |
| armax | kevinbenton: I know there was some friction with this one | 14:51 |
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| armax | this one seems to be releted https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/add-port-timestamp | 14:52 |
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| armax | we should be able to collapse the two | 14:52 |
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| armax | I smell some planning failure here | 14:52 |
| kevinbenton | i didn't even realize there were two separate blueprints until now | 14:52 |
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| armax | ok, let’s take this offline and you and I should be able to figure this out | 14:53 |
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| armax | ok folks, we have gone through the entire list of blueprints | 14:54 |
| ajo | there's a missing one :) | 14:54 |
| armax | ajo: which one? | 14:54 |
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| ajo | sorry, I lost the link | 14:54 |
| armax | doh | 14:54 |
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| ajo | the connectivity without l3 address | 14:54 |
| armax | we talked about it last week | 14:54 |
| armax | didn’t we? | 14:54 |
| ajo | correct | 14:54 |
| ajo | sorry | 14:54 |
| armax | so that’s it | 14:54 |
| ajo | I thought we went over all of them | 14:54 |
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| armax | :) | 14:54 |
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| ajo | I'd like some help from carl_baldwin on reviewing one of the patches | 14:54 |
| ajo | :) | 14:54 |
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| armax | we’ll do this exercise again post M2 | 14:55 |
| ajo | ack | 14:55 |
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| armax | 5 minutes to spare | 14:55 |
| armax | go nuts | 14:55 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 14:55:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-12-15-14.00.html | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-12-15-14.00.txt | 14:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-12-15-14.00.log.html | 14:55 |
| ajo | btw, carl_baldwin , if you could: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248487/ (it touches IPAM) | 14:55 |
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| armax | thanks for joining | 14:55 |
| yamamoto | bye | 14:55 |
| annp | Bye | 14:55 |
| hichihara | bye | 14:55 |
| yushiro2 | bye | 14:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | armax: i'm already nuts | 14:55 |
| armax | and keep up the good work! | 14:55 |
| dasm | thanks. c'ya all | 14:55 |
| yamahata | bye | 14:55 |
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| mhickey | bye, thanks armax | 14:55 |
| ajo | thanks armax , & everybody | 14:55 |
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| akamyshnikova | bye | 14:55 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: go nut-er? | 14:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | armax: yeah. i did this pre-coffee :) | 14:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | armax: it hurtses | 14:56 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: so did I! | 14:56 |
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| armax | Sam-I-Am: can you believe that? | 14:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | armax: no, actually. | 14:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | armax: pix or it didnt happen | 14:56 |
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| carl_baldwin | ajo: ack | 14:56 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: you don’t want to see me now | 14:57 |
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| ajo | carl_baldwin++ thanks | 14:57 |
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| armax | kevinbenton, carl_baldwin, mestery, dougwig, HenryG, amotoki: ping | 15:00 |
| HenryG | yo | 15:00 |
| mestery | o/ | 15:01 |
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| amotoki | hi | 15:01 |
| armax | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 15 15:01:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | pong | 15:01 |
| armax | I am sometimes tempted to start with neutron_divers | 15:01 |
| dougwig | o/ | 15:01 |
| armax | anyhow | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 15:02 |
| dougwig | i'd laugh if i was more awake | 15:02 |
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| armax | :) | 15:02 |
| armax | ok | 15:02 |
| armax | we have 10 triaged, 18 confirmed and 0 new | 15:02 |
| armax | let’s squash the triaged list | 15:02 |
| armax | we’ll continue to squash the confirmed list offline | 15:02 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe&orderby=datecreated&start=0 | 15:03 |
| armax | in the order they have been submitted | 15:03 |
| armax | #bug 1335640 | 15:03 |
| openstack | bug 1335640 in neutron "[RFE] Neutron support for OSprofiler" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1335640 - Assigned to Ryan Moats (rmoats) | 15:03 |
| kevinbenton | +1 to this | 15:04 |
| armax | I think this is a no brainer and regXboi has volunteered | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | no brainer indeed | 15:04 |
| armax | however I would like to see how the nova integration pans out | 15:04 |
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| mestery | ++ | 15:04 |
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| amotoki | agree | 15:04 |
| regXboi | so - I'd rather *not* wait entirely for nova | 15:04 |
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| regXboi | because if nova derails, I still really want this | 15:04 |
| dougwig | +1 on this | 15:05 |
| armax | regXboi: if nova derails for good reasons, what’s the point? | 15:05 |
| * mlavalle I little confused..... is this neutron drivers or weekly neutron meeting? | 15:05 | |
| armax | mlavalle: drivers | 15:05 |
| regXboi | armax: nova can derail for all sorts of things | 15:05 |
| armax | regXboi: that’s not the point | 15:05 |
| regXboi | armax: it depends on the definition of "good reasons" | 15:05 |
| regXboi | armax: and since I'm putting my name down to spend time on this, does it really matter until I ask for reviews? | 15:06 |
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| armax | regXboi: no, I am only thinking: I don’t want to have a broken osprofiler integration i ntree | 15:06 |
| armax | regXboi: I’d rather wait than have yet another broken thing in the tree | 15:07 |
| armax | that’s all | 15:07 |
| regXboi | armax: ok, that one made me laugh | 15:07 |
| armax | let’s approve this one, and gauge when it’s appropriate to start work on it | 15:07 |
| armax | regXboi: I am glad I entartained you | 15:07 |
| armax | next one | 15:07 |
| armax | bug #1405077 | 15:08 |
| openstack | bug 1405077 in neutron "Provide API to manage segmentation ranges" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1405077 | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | for that one, I will note that oslo.config and nova folks were discussing general oslo.config mechanism to reread config values and trigger some actions without service restart on the last summit. | 15:08 |
| armax | ihrachys: that’s right | 15:08 |
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| armax | ihrachys: actually I looked at the code | 15:09 |
| armax | and apparently we can only reload logging options for the ovs agent | 15:09 |
| dougwig | the use case is general, with a very specific api. i'd rather not piecemeal as the bug suggests. | 15:09 |
| armax | dougwig: right | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | armax: you mean existing code? they planned for something general | 15:09 |
| armax | there’s definitely a class of configs that make sense to be driven from the api | 15:09 |
| armax | ihrachys: I did see code | 15:09 |
| armax | in tree | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | that would allow to register reload hooks for options, and allow them to get triggered on a HUP | 15:10 |
| armax | ihrachys: it doesn’t seem we process HUP server side to reload configuration | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | armax: yeah, so that's limited to logging now, and there is plan to make it general | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | armax: have you checked oslo.service code? I think it should be there. but I need to check. | 15:10 |
| dougwig | i'm not even sure that i like live config reload, personally. means i can't calmly change all the files i want, and then choose when it takes effect in total. | 15:10 |
| armax | ihrachys: nothing being tracked right now, because clearly we have configs that are parsed everytime and configs that are cached at initi | 15:10 |
| armax | init | 15:10 |
| armax | ihrachys: no, I checked the neutron ovs agent code | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: you still trigger a signal or smth to reload | 15:11 |
| dougwig | ihrachys: gotcha. | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | armax: I talk about other, oslo.config, mechanism | 15:11 |
| dougwig | hup versus restart, seems really low priority to me? | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: not for agents I guess? ;) | 15:11 |
| armax | dougwig: the reload is something that every service should undetstand in 2015 | 15:11 |
| armax | but meh | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | agent restart can take hours. | 15:11 |
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| armax | so I think this bug has sparked a more interesting conversation | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | so for RFE, I would suggest the assignee to work with oslo.config folks on general mechanism, and then come back with neutron integration for stuff they care about. | 15:12 |
| dougwig | armax: 5 seconds of api downtime is worth the bugs that kind of conversion always brings? maybe, but i'm not seeing it. | 15:12 |
| armax | as to what config is deemed worthy of being driven from the api and what can stay statically defined, but reloaded on the fly | 15:12 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: !!! which agent restart takes hours? | 15:13 |
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| dougwig | uh oh, you've made him angry. | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton: well, I speak mostly about resync process | 15:13 |
| armax | ihrachys: that assumed that the config option is worth keeping it in a static file | 15:13 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: if we have one that takes hours i want to know so i can start work on optimizing (not really related to this discussion though) | 15:14 |
| armax | kevinbenton does optmize all the things, yes, but not in this meeting | 15:14 |
| armax | kevinbenton: i think ihrachys’ comment is mostly based on anectodal past evidence | 15:14 |
| armax | kevinbenton: relax | 15:14 |
| amotoki | I agree to explore the way with config reload to satisfy the request in the bug. | 15:14 |
| armax | let’s elaborate a bit more on this one | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | huh. some folks still run OSP5, let me check my premises. | 15:15 |
| amotoki | taking hours(?) when restarting is a differrent topic.. though related. | 15:15 |
| kevinbenton | someone else commented on that bug though that even a hitless restart or config reload is upsetting because they have to update each server | 15:15 |
| kevinbenton | IIR | 15:15 |
| kevinbenton | IIRC* | 15:15 |
| armax | bug #1495440 | 15:15 |
| openstack | bug 1495440 in python-neutronclient "bulk delete improvements" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1495440 - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:15 |
| armax | kevinbenton: yes, tehre’s a management pain of touching each replica of the server | 15:16 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: but that can handled via sys management tools | 15:16 |
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| armax | anyhow | 15:16 |
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| armax | new bug to discuss | 15:16 |
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| armax | bulky deletes | 15:16 |
| armax | so this is interesting because apparently we always had bulk support in the API | 15:16 |
| armax | but I am not 100% sure what’s the latest status of it | 15:16 |
| dougwig | really? | 15:16 |
| armax | dougwig: really! | 15:17 |
| dougwig | TIL | 15:17 |
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| armax | dougwig: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/api/v2/base.py#L70 | 15:17 |
| armax | now the question is: | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | armax: it's used in create and update only | 15:18 |
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| armax | ihrachys: right, that is what I suspected | 15:18 |
| kevinbenton | so i vote just update the client to iterate | 15:18 |
| kevinbenton | and delete 1 by 1 | 15:19 |
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| dougwig | i like my "no, in use" errors in batches, yo. | 15:19 |
| kevinbenton | parity with nova and an isolated change | 15:19 |
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| amotoki | kevinbenton: nova cli supports bulk create? | 15:19 |
| armax | amotoki: yes | 15:19 |
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| kevinbenton | no, bulk delete | 15:19 |
| armax | amotoki: but it’s fake | 15:20 |
| armax | amotoki: it iterates over | 15:20 |
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| armax | dougwig: you mean that the client will collect all error status and give an aggregte one? | 15:20 |
| amotoki | when we support bulk operation in CLI (not library) I first suggest to discuss it among all CLIs , especially openstackclient. | 15:21 |
| dougwig | armax: i was being snarky, since delete never really deletes the first time. | 15:21 |
| dougwig | ignore me, it's early | 15:21 |
| armax | dougwig: ok | 15:21 |
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| armax | amotoki: I wonder if this is a marginal improvement that can help the usability while we transition to the OSC | 15:21 |
| armax | amotoki: when I looked around the landscape was fragmented as usual | 15:22 |
| armax | some clients did (provide bulky ops) some others didn't | 15:22 |
| armax | amotoki: I’d say, if the change is small enough and we can iterate quickly | 15:22 |
| armax | let’s have it in the client side | 15:22 |
| amotoki | armax: we can do it in neutornclient only | 15:23 |
| armax | amotoki: ya | 15:23 |
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| armax | ok | 15:23 |
| amotoki | but we have many neutronclient-speicific command line syntax..... | 15:23 |
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| armax | not sure I grasp the implication of your ..... | 15:23 |
| armax | bug #1498987 | 15:24 |
| openstack | bug 1498987 in neutron "DHCP agent should provide ipv6 RAs for isolated networks with ipv6 subnets" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498987 | 15:24 |
| armax | ihrachys: this sounds like a no-brainer to me | 15:24 |
| amotoki | armax: will comment later | 15:24 |
| armax | amotoki: sounds good | 15:24 |
| armax | amotoki: thanks | 15:24 |
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| armax | ihrachys: care to elaborate a little | 15:25 |
| armax | ? | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | looking.. | 15:25 |
| armax | this almost feels like no rfe at all | 15:25 |
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| dougwig | but a bug | 15:26 |
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| amotoki | I think it is similar to a case of metadata-agent. RA is advertised from a router. | 15:26 |
| * armax unignores dougwig | 15:26 | |
| ihrachys | well, it's change in behaviour. some may claim it's fine that you don't get RAs without routers | 15:26 |
| armax | dougwig: yes, a bug | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | since R in RA is router :) | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | I am happy to have it handled as a bug though. | 15:26 |
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| dougwig | provider nets don't have a router, right? | 15:27 |
| armax | ihrachys: I see…did you get sc68cal’s opinion in private? | 15:27 |
| armax | or in some other media? | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | armax: I think we discussed it with him before I reported it, in irc | 15:27 |
| dougwig | but i guess the ra comes from elsewhere in that case. | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | and he said it's a legit thing to request | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | I am afraid it would take some time to find a link to logs though | 15:27 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: what’s your opinion on the matter? | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: they have an external one, where we probably don't want to advert RAs. | 15:28 |
| * carl_baldwin catching up, being pulled in too many directions this morning... | 15:29 | |
| haleyb | ihrachys: can we not use dnsmasq for the RA instead of spinning-up radvd? It might already be running. I'll put that in the bug | 15:29 |
| armax | ihrachys: but in that case I’d argue the sanity of running the agent too | 15:29 |
| armax | the dhcp agent I mean | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | haleyb: huh. that would require some specific coding in dhcp agent though. | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | haleyb: I would avoid special casing if possible. | 15:30 |
| dougwig | timebox | 15:30 |
| armax | ihrachys: how pressing of a use case this is? | 15:30 |
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| armax | ihrachys: I wonder if the benefit is worth the pain | 15:30 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: right, but it might just be another command-line option. Just thinking out loud | 15:30 |
| armax | dougwig: thanks dougwig | 15:30 |
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| ihrachys | armax: it was not pressing much, I was just wondering whether we can help folks that start on ipv6 and always ask the wtf question on 'why my addresses don't work on my network' | 15:31 |
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| amotoki | can we deploy radvd with active/active mode? IIRC it needs to be active/passive, but dhcp-agent is active/active. we need more investigation. | 15:31 |
| amotoki | but I might be wrong. | 15:31 |
| haleyb | i would agree this seems like a bug fwiw | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: I guess sending RAs from each node is fine since they should be identical | 15:31 |
| armax | ok, let’s capture the discussion on the bug report | 15:31 |
| * carl_baldwin will watch bug report | 15:32 | |
| armax | and we’ll figure out over time what to do depending whether this becomes a pressing need | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | aye | 15:32 |
| armax | bug #1500365 | 15:32 |
| openstack | bug 1500365 in neutron "neutron port API does not support atomicity" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1500365 | 15:32 |
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| armax | I wonder if we need an ‘update on unset’ field | 15:33 |
| dougwig | naive question: why is this not a straight up api bug, with a transaction around the field updates? | 15:33 |
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| armax | it can’t be | 15:34 |
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| armax | dougwig: the transaction needs to be between the GET and the PUT! | 15:34 |
| armax | the bug reads more like I want a transactional REST model | 15:35 |
| armax | where I do a GET and a PUT in an atomic fashion | 15:35 |
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| dougwig | usually you do a get/put/get when you want something like that. if the put was borking the two field updates in parallel, that'd be a bug. the get/put maybe not being consistent? that's just rest. | 15:35 |
| armax | we should simply acknowledge the fact that none of the OpenStack API’s work like this | 15:36 |
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| armax | dougwig: right | 15:36 |
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| armax | this was sparked by a bug where someone was booting two distinct vm’s with the same port | 15:36 |
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| armax | not sure how much of a use case this is | 15:36 |
| amotoki | I wonder if we need some constraints on update of device_id and device_owner. | 15:37 |
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| dougwig | it is odd that we have port claiming being something so... unprotected. | 15:37 |
| armax | so I’d say this is borderline between invalid and won’t fix | 15:37 |
| armax | amotoki: that’s what I though | 15:37 |
| armax | t | 15:37 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: well the HTTP if-match header is one way to solve this with REST | 15:37 |
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| dougwig | here's a shotgun. you can only aim it at your foot. have a nice day! | 15:37 |
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| armax | lol | 15:37 |
| kevinbenton | if-match can then make the db update a compare and swap | 15:38 |
| armax | kevinbenton: not sure I’d implement that with if-match | 15:38 |
| armax | but that was my suggestion | 15:38 |
| amotoki | we marked similar bug on device_id/owner update as won't fix several weeks ago, but we have another one now... | 15:38 |
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| armax | amotoki: link | 15:38 |
| armax | ? | 15:38 |
| armax | as this may end up meet the same faith | 15:38 |
| amotoki | I haven't found it yet... | 15:38 |
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| dougwig | kevinbenton: race still exists, unless that compare is inside the update transaction. | 15:38 |
| armax | amotoki: ok, no worries, when you do, perhaps you can mark it duplicated of this one | 15:38 |
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| armax | dougwig: yeah | 15:39 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: that's why i said "make the db update a compare and swap" | 15:39 |
| armax | that would need to happen in a transaction | 15:39 |
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| amotoki | armax: yeah.. or it may be a signal we need to investigate more. | 15:39 |
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| armax | amotoki: I think for the specific need the issue reported | 15:39 |
| armax | it’s doable to update on a clear field | 15:39 |
| dougwig | i'd be more inclined to introduce a port-claim type api than to try to fix rest. | 15:39 |
| armax | and prevent update on a prepolated field | 15:39 |
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| armax | dougwig: that’s exactly my point | 15:40 |
| amotoki | armax: yes exactly. | 15:40 |
| kevinbenton | this is what the if-match header is for! | 15:40 |
| kevinbenton | conditional updates | 15:40 |
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| * dougwig yells at the new-fangled headers to get off his lawn. | 15:41 | |
| armax | bug #1511574 | 15:42 |
| openstack | bug 1511574 in neutron "[RFE] Support cleanup of all resources associated with a given tenant with a single API call" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1511574 - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:42 |
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| armax | we approved this a while back | 15:42 |
| armax | however... | 15:42 |
| kevinbenton | https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2616.txt (june 1999) :) | 15:42 |
| dougwig | so it's been hated for 16 years. :) | 15:43 |
| armax | the effort was predicated on the fact that we wanted to have a universal api that would allow the purging across the various projects | 15:43 |
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| armax | kevinbenton, dougwig: please let’s take this religious row elsewhere | 15:43 |
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| * dougwig behaves. | 15:43 | |
| armax | now, the problem is: nova is not ever going to provide a purge(project-id) api | 15:43 |
| armax | so we have an exception right there | 15:44 |
| armax | amuller was a huge fan of the cross-project initiative | 15:44 |
| dougwig | what was their reasoning? | 15:44 |
| armax | dougwig: read the bug :) | 15:44 |
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| armax | dougwig: in a nutshell they don’t want to do orchestration anymore | 15:44 |
| mestery | IMHO, if this isn't cross project, it almost seems half-assed | 15:44 |
| mestery | Because if resources in other projects are left dangling then it's less useful | 15:45 |
| armax | mestery: that’s one way to put it | 15:45 |
| dougwig | i disagree. | 15:45 |
| armax | mestery: that’s not what I meant | 15:45 |
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| armax | os-purge does exactly that across all projects | 15:45 |
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| mestery | There you go | 15:46 |
| armax | but it does so by leveraging the existing API | 15:46 |
| dougwig | we have several projects that leave you dangling in certain cases and all you can do is go to SQL to clean up the mess (let's go look at the nova instances and cinder volumes that I can NEVER remove, right now.). even a neutron only purge would have its use. | 15:46 |
| mestery | dougwig: I don't disagree | 15:46 |
| armax | ospurge should fix that for you | 15:46 |
| mestery | But I'm saying that this is a classic case of something which really needs to be solved at a cross-project level | 15:46 |
| mestery | So we can alleviate the pain for operators across the projects | 15:47 |
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| armax | that’s what os-purge is for | 15:47 |
| armax | guys | 15:47 |
| mestery | There you go | 15:47 |
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| mestery | Thanks armax :) | 15:47 |
| dougwig | armax: not if ospurge is just driving the existing api's. an internal purge can be a little more... brutal. | 15:47 |
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| armax | the sticking point is not so much that | 15:47 |
| amuller | dougwig: that's what we should be discussing | 15:47 |
| dougwig | but whatever, i've given up on openstack deletes ever being sane. | 15:47 |
| amuller | what would be the diff of using the neutron API to drive tenant deletion vs. doing it internally | 15:47 |
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| armax | it’s wether the the underlying API that implements the purging is a collection of many REST calls or a simpler call that takes care of it all | 15:48 |
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| amuller | if there's technical benefit to having a single call and using internals to drive the deletion, that's worth talking about | 15:48 |
| kevinbenton | unless the neutron purge API does things that we don't allow with normal deletes, i don't see the point | 15:48 |
| mestery | amuller: ++ | 15:48 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: so that's the question... | 15:48 |
| kevinbenton | and if we don't allow something in a normal delete, wouldn't it be for a good reason? | 15:49 |
| amotoki | some neutron resources like default sg cannot be deleted in normal operations. | 15:49 |
| kevinbenton | amotoki: ah | 15:49 |
| kevinbenton | good point | 15:49 |
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| armax | the question is: | 15:50 |
| armax | do we want to proceed to provide a purge operation (whichever it may be implemented) regardless of what other projects do? | 15:50 |
| armax | or do we want to stay aligned (which means no action for us?) | 15:50 |
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| armax | votes? | 15:51 |
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| HenryG | I say we should do it to get some love from operators | 15:51 |
| armax | HenryG: they might still love os-purge | 15:51 |
| amotoki | even if there is some order of projects to be cleanup, purging can be done project by project. I like to have it even if other projects does not support it. | 15:51 |
| armax | amuller: you were the one pushing harder for consistency | 15:51 |
| HenryG | that's fine if we can make os-purge work well for neutron | 15:51 |
| armax | what’s your take? | 15:52 |
| armax | amotoki: again, that’s what os-purge does | 15:52 |
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| armax | in other words, do we want to take over os-purge code and maintain it ourselves? | 15:52 |
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| amuller | I'm against adding an API for it, unless someone shows me a compelling technical reason. We can explore owning the code that ospurge would invoke instead of having it in ospurge repo and if that make sense, pushing other projects doing the same. That still means not exposing a new API for it. | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: why not working on os-purge side with existing API, then consider optimizations if really requested? not sure folks care about multiple calls vs. single one that much. | 15:53 |
| armax | and have os-purge simply calling the neutron client? | 15:53 |
| dougwig | os-purge sounds like a maintenance nightmare, if it does every project, out-of-tree. | 15:53 |
| dougwig | will it keep up, i wonder? | 15:53 |
| armax | dougwig: they use the clients | 15:53 |
| amuller | dougwig: it can make sense for each project to maintain code that ospurge would call | 15:53 |
| dougwig | armax: i have a purge script for neutron, using the client. it is gross. it is maintenance prone. you have to track api changes, and do things in the right order, and sometimes repeat. | 15:53 |
| amuller | so when new API resources are added it's up to the project to update its tenant deletion code | 15:53 |
| armax | ok | 15:54 |
| armax | so the latest consensus is: let’s take over os-purge code ourselves, let’s do client-side orchestration | 15:54 |
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| armax | and ask os-purge to replace their code with ‘neutron <project-id>’ | 15:54 |
| armax | that’s it | 15:55 |
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| armax | no cross-project consensus effort ever | 15:55 |
| armax | not from us anyway | 15:55 |
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| kevinbenton | what about server-side stuff like default sg that isn't deleted via API? | 15:55 |
| dougwig | armax: need some coffee? | 15:55 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: I'd argue that's a Neutron bug, same as HA networks weren't being deleted when the last HA for a tenant is deleted | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton: can we allow to delete them? | 15:56 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: if a resource creation creates another resource implicitly, it should also delete that resource | 15:56 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: i agree | 15:56 |
| armax | kevinbenton: you can still delete that via the api | 15:56 |
| armax | kevinbenton: can you not? | 15:56 |
| dougwig | i think we're pointing out that deletion is gross, client or no, and os-purge's goal of doing it all via native api is... ambitious. if that's the route folks want to go, i salute those folks. i would not want that job. | 15:57 |
| armax | dougwig: you need a sugar pill instead | 15:57 |
| armax | dougwig: here, eat a candy bar | 15:57 |
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| armax | bug #1516195 | 15:57 |
| openstack | bug 1516195 in neutron "Push all object information in AMQP notifications" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516195 | 15:57 |
| dougwig | i'll go sit in a corner and continue using unstack.sh as my bulk delete, since nothing else is reliable. | 15:57 |
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| armax | last time we talked we said we were going to review the spec to gather more info on the proposal | 15:58 |
| armax | anyone willing to share? | 15:58 |
| armax | dougwig: ah, so there’s something reliable then! | 15:58 |
| dougwig | i think this discussion is happening via gerrit. (amqp) | 15:58 |
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| kevinbenton | ()()()()()()()()()() | 15:59 |
| kevinbenton | next topic :) | 15:59 |
| armax | we’re at time | 15:59 |
| armax | nearly | 15:59 |
| dougwig | sigh. | 15:59 |
| dougwig | what a morning. | 15:59 |
| armax | and it’s just started | 15:59 |
| armax | I’ll capture the discussion on the bugs | 15:59 |
| armax | move some bugs around etc | 15:59 |
| armax | thanks folks | 15:59 |
| armax | keep reviewing bugs offline, it’s your duty as driver | 16:00 |
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| armax | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 16:00:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2015/neutron_drivers.2015-12-15-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2015/neutron_drivers.2015-12-15-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2015/neutron_drivers.2015-12-15-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| amotoki | thanks, night | 16:00 |
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| stevemar | poke for meeting: ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, ericksonsantos, geoffarnold, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, joesavak, lbragstad, lhcheng, marekd, morganfainberg, nkinder, raildo, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, claudiub, rderose, samleon, xek, MaxPC, tjcocozz | 17:59 |
| raildo | o/ | 17:59 |
| dstanek | o/ | 17:59 |
| dolphm | o/ | 17:59 |
| stevemar | howdy everyone! | 17:59 |
| gyee | \o | 17:59 |
| davechen | o/ | 17:59 |
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| HoloIRCUser1 | o/ | 17:59 |
| * stevemar high fives dolphm | 17:59 | |
| samueldmq | hey o/ | 17:59 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 18:00 |
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| TomCocozz | o/ | 18:00 |
| stevemar | we'll wait a minute or so to give folks time to join | 18:00 |
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| roxanaghe | o/ | 18:01 |
| stevemar | alright, lets go! | 18:01 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 15 18:01:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:01 |
| stevemar | that's for joining everyone! | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | meeting agenda is in it's usual spot: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:01 |
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| henrynash | squeaks in late | 18:02 |
| stevemar | before we go down the agenda, i wanted to say that i intend to have a meeting next week. but i'll see how it goes, if i cancel, i'll send a notification on the mailing list | 18:02 |
| bknudson | I'll be around next week | 18:03 |
| bknudson | festivus isn't until wed | 18:03 |
| stevemar | bknudson: you and i can chat during the meeting! | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | basically, just keep an eye on the mailing list for meeting cancelations | 18:03 |
| stevemar | #topic Move oslo.policy to keystone | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Move oslo.policy to keystone (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| stevemar | bknudson: the floor is yours | 18:04 |
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| bknudson | so I wonder if oslo.polcy shouldn't be a keystone project | 18:04 |
| bknudson | since any time there's a change to it the oslo people are going to ask us to check it out anyways | 18:04 |
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| bknudson | and I'm not sure that we would want oslo reviewers to approve specs for oslo.policy without us | 18:05 |
| stevemar | currently it's in the Oslo umbrella, not keystone http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/keystone.html vs http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/oslo.html | 18:05 |
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| gyee | what do you keystone project? like move the code over? | 18:06 |
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| stevemar | so, keystone core folks - what do you think? will you have the extra bandwidth to review oslo.policy as well? | 18:06 |
| davechen | if this should be in keystone, we shouldn't let it go at the begining. | 18:06 |
| bknudson | so, if there aren't any objections here I'll post to the -dev mailing list | 18:06 |
| gyee | what does it mean a keystone project? | 18:06 |
| stevemar | gyee: no, the code wouldn't move, nothing would be renamed | 18:06 |
| dstanek | bknudson: no objection from me | 18:06 |
| bknudson | it means that when specs are proposed they're proposed to keystone rather than oslo | 18:06 |
| stevemar | gyee: it means we're responsible for reviewing code and specs | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | what's the purpose of oslo? is it just to be an umbrella to any common code to 2+ openstck proejcts | 18:06 |
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| gyee | stevemar, k, no objection here | 18:07 |
| jamielennox | came late, but i though oslo.policy was already under keystone | 18:07 |
| henrynash | bknudson: none here, neither, guv | 18:07 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: negatory | 18:07 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: correct, but this is about who reviews bugs/specs/patches | 18:07 |
| jamielennox | ok, it should be | 18:07 |
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| stevemar | currently it's a bit of a mix | 18:08 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: ah so I am 100% for making it under keystone (for governance purposes, thus reviews, etc) | 18:08 |
| stevemar | dolphm: ? | 18:08 |
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| stevemar | light crowd today | 18:08 |
| stevemar | bknudson: seems like there are no objections, please post to ML and create a governance patch | 18:09 |
| bknudson | I'll post to the mailing list so they'll have a chance to oppose | 18:09 |
| stevemar | ++ | 18:09 |
| gyee | too many holidays to celebrate around this time | 18:09 |
| lhcheng | thought it was already under keystone, makes sense to move it. | 18:09 |
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| stevemar | alright | 18:09 |
| dolphm | (no objections here) | 18:09 |
| stevemar | next topic | 18:09 |
| stevemar | #topic Deprecate auth plugins and session code in keystoneclient | 18:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deprecate auth plugins and session code in keystoneclient (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:09 | |
| bknudson | if there's an alternative that works then let's deprecate | 18:10 |
| stevemar | ksa has been out for a while now, what are folks' views? | 18:10 |
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| dolphm | bknudson++ | 18:10 |
| stevemar | bknudson: just making sure folks think ksa is fully baked enough | 18:10 |
| gyee | do it! eliminate confusion if nothing else | 18:10 |
| jamielennox | i think it's baked, lots of things have started to use it | 18:10 |
| raildo | gyee: ++ | 18:10 |
| stevemar | thats some enthusiastic support | 18:11 |
| gyee | last I checked the code were insync | 18:11 |
| gyee | weren't | 18:11 |
| stevemar | any volunteers to do the deprecations? | 18:11 |
| jamielennox | i'll start putting up deprecation warnings if everyone is ok and do a transition doc in ksa | 18:11 |
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| davechen | so jamielennox is the volunteer :) | 18:11 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: that would be sauce that is awesome, awesomesauce if you will | 18:11 |
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| gyee | jamielennox, I don't think the code are insync | 18:11 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: what's missing? | 18:12 |
| gyee | I found there was a patch missing in fixtures a couple of days back | 18:12 |
| gyee | there may be more | 18:12 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: i'd be interested to know what it was, at this point there is defintely stuff available in ksa that is not in ksc | 18:13 |
| jamielennox | that should be really easy to port as nothing major changed in that code | 18:13 |
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| stevemar | on a minor side note - we also stripped middleware out of keystoneclient :) | 18:14 |
| gyee | jamielennox, k, unless you want to do a code audit, we'll sync one patch at a time | 18:14 |
| stevemar | so next release of keystoneclient won't have middleware in it at all | 18:14 |
| bknudson | when's the next release? | 18:14 |
| stevemar | bknudson: TBD | 18:14 |
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| stevemar | i did a search with hound (http://codesearch.openstack.org/) to find projects that are still affected, there were 5 or so, but minor ones that haven't had a successful build in months :( | 18:15 |
| jamielennox | gyee: for anyone that's migrating we can also just wait to see them file bugs, we won't remove ksc support that fast the can't just keep using it | 18:15 |
| jamielennox | codesearch... | 18:15 |
| stevemar | try searching for: "from keystoneclient.middleware import auth_token" | 18:15 |
| gyee | jamielennox, ++ | 18:16 |
| bknudson | when we deprecate things do we need to go through all the other projects and change their code? | 18:16 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: no, hopefully not | 18:16 |
| bknudson | not sure how we're supposed to ever remove stuff if other projects aren't updating based on deprecation warnings | 18:17 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: i did this because there were only 4 or so | 18:17 |
| stevemar | TBH, i'd be surprised if the patches ever merge, these projects seem dead | 18:17 |
| dstanek | it would be nice if the gate failed on deprecation warnings after some amount of time after they started appearing | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: ++ | 18:17 |
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| bknudson | there's also a pendingdeprecation warnings | 18:18 |
| stevemar | bknudson: but it's definitely not our responsibility | 18:18 |
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| gyee | stevemar, yeah, we said the same thing about v3 too | 18:18 |
| stevemar | #action jamielennox to deprecate all the things in keystoneclient (auth plugins and session code) | 18:19 |
| gyee | it wasn't supposed to be our responsibility :) | 18:19 |
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| stevemar | gyee: apples and oranges, one is a lot of work | 18:19 |
| stevemar | anywho, we're going off the rails | 18:20 |
| stevemar | next topic | 18:20 |
| stevemar | #topic Stable driver interfaces | 18:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable driver interfaces (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:20 | |
| stevemar | the stable ABI stuff has started to come up more often in reviews | 18:20 |
| dstanek | i'm working on documentation to address the open questions | 18:21 |
| stevemar | thanks dstanek | 18:21 |
| stevemar | so background... whenever we change a function of a manager class, we need to create a new version of that driver | 18:21 |
| dstanek | for example, i'm updating based on the discussions of https://gist.github.com/dstanek/756337141e5e0066ebce | 18:21 |
| bknudson | it's when we change the driver interface | 18:21 |
| bknudson | not the manager | 18:21 |
| stevemar | bknudson: thanks for the clarification | 18:22 |
| dstanek | bknudson: right | 18:22 |
| stevemar | here's an example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247805/ | 18:22 |
| dstanek | i'm in the middle of creating new versions of *all* the drivers so that i can document the process | 18:23 |
| stevemar | and currently theres a stable driver interface for every backend (resource, assignment, federation, credentual) | 18:23 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: okay, that was my next question | 18:23 |
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| bknudson | might as well create the new versions because then we can get the testing in place... then revert if there weren't any changes. | 18:23 |
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| dstanek | the question that keeps coming up is whether or not to *always* create a new version for a release | 18:23 |
| stevemar | if someone wanted to go ahead and create a new version for all drivers, right at the beginning of the release | 18:23 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: i think we should | 18:24 |
| gyee | why? | 18:24 |
| dstanek | stevemar: i'm doing that now for mitaka base on what i have been directing henrynash to do | 18:24 |
| stevemar | gyee: it would be really weird if we release keystone v9 with role driver at v9 and federation at v8 | 18:24 |
| stevemar | dstanek: fantastic | 18:24 |
| dstanek | gyee: so that it's easy to know that if you run mitaka we support v9 and v8 | 18:24 |
| jamielennox | stevemar: it's only weird because we started at v9 | 18:24 |
| jamielennox | v8 | 18:25 |
| dstanek | gyee: not v9/v8 of assignment, v10/v9 or identity, etc. | 18:25 |
| samueldmq | I think it would be consistent to have vX drivers for all backends, rather than vX vY vZ in a single release of keystone | 18:25 |
| jamielennox | isn't that anti the point of stable interfaces | 18:25 |
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| jamielennox | if they haven't changed in a release i don't want them to jump version numbers | 18:25 |
| henrynash | the flip side is we will be, by definition, causing custom driver writers to update their driver (at laeast to specify a version) every coupld of releases | 18:25 |
| samueldmq | henrynash: hmm, good point | 18:26 |
| stevemar | i feel like henrynash and jamielennox share a brain | 18:26 |
| henrynash | eek | 18:26 |
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| jamielennox | scary in here | 18:26 |
| dstanek | henrynash: my feeling is that it's only once a year | 18:26 |
| henrynash | worse here | 18:26 |
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| henrynash | dtsanek: which is what it would be if we support teh ABI to N-1 | 18:27 |
| stevemar | i don't know, mixing up version numbers feels silly | 18:27 |
| henrynash | (seperate question…should it be N-1 or N-2) | 18:27 |
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| dstanek | i'm looking at it more move v9 of the keystone drivers, but i can see the other side | 18:27 |
| stevemar | but yeah, mostly cause we started at 8 when keystone was at 8 | 18:27 |
| bknudson | since we'll know if the interface changed or not in the previous release we can support more versions back for a driver | 18:27 |
| gyee | it's the version for the driver interface, not a keystone release | 18:27 |
| jamielennox | so why didn't we call it v2? there's no need to tie it to keystone major versions | 18:27 |
| dstanek | henrynash: in the draft doc i'm saying that we'll support N, support + deprecate N-1 and delete N-2 | 18:28 |
| topol | o/ just back from my dept holiday lunch.... | 18:28 |
| dstanek | bknudson: true | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | bknudson: good idea | 18:28 |
| henrynash | dstanek: and my question is whether that breaks the standard depreaction rules we are signing up to | 18:28 |
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| stevemar | topol: welcome! | 18:28 |
| dstanek | henrynash: don't we deprecated for one whole release and delete in the next? | 18:29 |
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| * topol thanks for not adding the sarcastic glad you could join us... :-) | 18:29 | |
| henrynash | i just don’t see why we need to tie the versions together (across idenityt, resource etc.)….why should they not float free | 18:29 |
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| dstanek | gyee: so you're more for having a mapping in the docs that says what versions are supported for what subsystems? | 18:30 |
| bknudson | topol: that's because we don't want coal in the stockings | 18:30 |
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| dstanek | henrynash: easier to know what versions are supported | 18:30 |
| gyee | dstanek, who's using those interfaces? the 3rd party driver providers | 18:30 |
| dstanek | gyee: yes and us | 18:30 |
| henrynash | dtsanek: that, I grant you | 18:30 |
| dstanek | so Mitaka supports Mitaka drivers and Liberty driver | 18:31 |
| gyee | dstanek, yes, and what is the version for? | 18:31 |
| gyee | indicating compatibility | 18:31 |
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| jamielennox | we don't need to bump version numbers to handle deprecations, we can still do the standard 2 releases | 18:31 |
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| jamielennox | anyone who is doing this is looking at the code, not docs, they'll see what is required | 18:31 |
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| * jamielennox is not advocating for no/less docs | 18:32 | |
| bknudson | we don't document the interface well enough to develop based on the interface anyways | 18:32 |
| dstanek | jamielennox: that's what we are hoping to avoid in the future | 18:32 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: yet... | 18:32 |
| bknudson | woah! | 18:32 |
| dstanek | i think that is one of the long term goals here | 18:32 |
| samueldmq | if nothing changes, make v10 inherit from v9, and keep v9 as default (without deprecating yet) ? so they might want to update it or not ? | 18:32 |
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| samueldmq | ^ | 18:32 |
| dstanek | samueldmq: right, that's what i think bknudson was hinting at earlier | 18:33 |
| henrynash | samuedlmq: but then you might have 5 versions live until we actually change something | 18:33 |
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| dstanek | so like i said i'm fine either way. it just seems easier if it was clear what versions were supported | 18:34 |
| bknudson | it might become very difficult to maintain the old test codebase, just due to changes in other libraries. | 18:34 |
| samueldmq | henrynash: isn't that okay ? one may want to update it or not, that basically means supporting it for longer if it doesnt change | 18:34 |
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| samueldmq | like bknudson said early (thanks dstanek for the heads up) | 18:34 |
| bknudson | we're not really supporting anything longer, it just happens to continue to work. | 18:34 |
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| samueldmq | bknudson: agreed | 18:35 |
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| stevemar | we don't have to agree on something now | 18:36 |
| stevemar | we can discuss it in dstanek's eventual doc patch | 18:36 |
| gyee | sounds good | 18:36 |
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| dstanek | stevemar: i'll just keep my stuff the way it is | 18:36 |
| stevemar | just wanted to bring it to everyone's attention | 18:36 |
| bknudson | I vote for adding the new versions now and putting the testing in place. | 18:36 |
| henrynash | i guess….so when it did change, as customer driver writer, I might update form v8 to v12 | 18:36 |
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| bknudson | that way when someone proposes code that breaks the interface we'll know about it | 18:36 |
| henrynash | (say) | 18:36 |
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| bknudson | henrynash: yes, you might go from V8 to V12. | 18:37 |
| stevemar | henrynash: sounds right | 18:37 |
| samueldmq | bknudson: without deprecating the "old" driver which haven't been effectively updated, right? | 18:37 |
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| bknudson | we always deprecate the old driver. | 18:37 |
| dstanek | bknudson: ++ | 18:37 |
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| henrynash | So I certianly prefer that than forcing custom driver writers to update tehor code for the sake of a version number change | 18:37 |
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| davechen | so, the question is if i did some change about the driver interface, what should do about the stable interface? | 18:38 |
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| dstanek | davechen: you mean the N-1 version? | 18:38 |
| henrynash | davechen: so dstanek is documenting this... | 18:38 |
| bknudson | davechen: you need to update hthe adapter so the old version still works. | 18:38 |
| samueldmq | I think not deprecating what haven't changed would be better, because we will have new version; but not necessarily forcing them to update their drivers for the sake of a version (as henrynash said) | 18:38 |
| davechen | dstanek: yes. | 18:38 |
| dstanek | davechen: you provide an adapter class https://gist.github.com/dstanek/756337141e5e0066ebce | 18:38 |
| bknudson | samueldmq: you might be right. we can think about it some more | 18:39 |
| davechen | sound good, will check out the doc. | 18:39 |
| dstanek | samueldmq: deprecations won't force and update (single character change in code), but encourage it | 18:39 |
| samueldmq | bknudson: cool, so perhaps we can all discuss in dstanek's patch for the docs, as stevemar said | 18:39 |
| dstanek | samueldmq: i was hoping to be able to automate this process at the beginning of each cycle | 18:40 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: what if the driver remains 2+ releases without an update? | 18:40 |
| stevemar | #action dstanek to toss up a doc patch about stable interfaces | 18:40 |
| stevemar | dstanek: ++++++++++++++++++++++ | 18:40 |
| henrynash | davechecn: and here’s an example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242513/ | 18:40 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: they will need to update for the sake of the ersion number | 18:40 |
| stevemar | dstanek: i would love that | 18:40 |
| dstanek | samueldmq: yep. a side effect of making understanding the version easier | 18:40 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: I'd be glad to see that code generation :) | 18:40 |
| stevemar | alright, let's give davechen some time | 18:40 |
| davechen | henrynash: thanks, i need this example to update my patch. | 18:40 |
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| dstanek | samueldmq: if you can't s/V9/V10/ in about a year then you have already lost | 18:41 |
| stevemar | lol | 18:41 |
| stevemar | alright - topic change | 18:41 |
| stevemar | #topic Hornor shema validation everywhere | 18:41 |
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| bknudson | I'm still on windows 95 | 18:41 |
| stevemar | davechen: go ahead | 18:41 |
| stevemar | bknudson: smart move | 18:41 |
| davechen | this is the last chance i join in the meeting in san antonio | 18:41 |
| davechen | i just want to do something around schema validation. | 18:42 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: that's a good point, let's keep that option in mind too | 18:42 |
| davechen | basically, it haven't done for all extensions | 18:42 |
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| davechen | and there was a patch to enable schema valdiation for v2 api | 18:42 |
| stevemar | davechen: so v3 core stuff has schema validation | 18:42 |
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| davechen | is that necessary to do this for v2 api as well? | 18:42 |
| stevemar | but v2 APIs and things that were 'extensions' don't | 18:43 |
| bknudson | doing input validation is on the IBM secure coding guidelines, so I'd like to see this done. | 18:43 |
| davechen | stevemar: yes, but extension is cores right now. | 18:43 |
| stevemar | davechen: it's all wishlist items IMO | 18:43 |
| bknudson | I don't think we should bother doing it for v2 | 18:43 |
| stevemar | davechen: i'd be happy to review it | 18:43 |
| davechen | okay, what do you folks thinks about v2? | 18:43 |
| davechen | why not bknudson? | 18:44 |
| dolphm | finishing it for v3 should be first priority | 18:44 |
| samueldmq | bknudson: ++ I'd like to see them for extensions (on core now) | 18:44 |
| bknudson | we should deprecate v2 and get rid of it | 18:44 |
| dstanek | yes, we need to validate all the things! | 18:44 |
| davechen | dolphm: ++ | 18:44 |
| stevemar | davechen: bknudson: if it's not a lot of work to do it for v2, then you can do it. but finishing it for v3 extensions is higher priority | 18:44 |
| dstanek | davechen: i say no to v2 since we have said not sure use it because if it's existing security issues | 18:44 |
| davechen | if i have bandwidth, i will also pick up something about v2 | 18:44 |
| dstanek | s/not sure/not to/ | 18:44 |
| davechen | dstanek: okay. | 18:45 |
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| davechen | but what's the security issue? | 18:45 |
| dolphm | davechen: focus on v3 first; the value will be much longer lived there | 18:45 |
| stevemar | dstanek: i'm OK with v2 only because we have a ton of existing bugs about validation, and routinely get them once a month | 18:45 |
| davechen | dstanek: ^ | 18:45 |
| stevemar | dolphm: ++ | 18:45 |
| dolphm | stevemar: ++ | 18:45 |
| stevemar | davechen: definitely v3 first :) | 18:45 |
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| bknudson | the existing v2 validation bugs we just punt on because we're not enhancing v2. | 18:46 |
| dstanek | stevemar: is there a timeline for rewriting v2 to actually use v3 under the hood? that would make it a non-issue | 18:46 |
| davechen | i think i have enough champions | 18:46 |
| stevemar | dstanek: no timeline yet, but since we deprecated v2.0, it should be added to the timeline | 18:46 |
| davechen | bknudson: there was a bug here for V2 API | 18:47 |
| stevemar | (deprecate v2.0 patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251530/) | 18:47 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: stevemar ++ so that means removing all v2 specific manager/backend logic | 18:47 |
| dstanek | davechen: one big issue is tokens in urls | 18:47 |
| dolphm | PST /v2.0/tokens (auth) would be top priority within the confines of v2 | 18:47 |
| dolphm | POST* | 18:48 |
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| stevemar | samueldmq: yep | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | nice | 18:48 |
| bknudson | validation on POST /v2.0/tokens I'd be happy with | 18:48 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: the controller would just point to something in v3 | 18:48 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar: nice, isn't that something easy to do ? | 18:48 |
| dstanek | it would be nice if that could then piggy back in the v3 validation | 18:48 |
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| stevemar | samueldmq: haven't looked into it yet! | 18:48 |
| dstanek | samueldmq: i would doubt it | 18:49 |
| gyee | dstanek, how, v2 auth payload is different from v3 | 18:49 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: the requests may be a different format though | 18:49 |
| stevemar | what gyee said | 18:49 |
| dstanek | samueldmq: if it were then we wouldn't have needed different code for the business logic | 18:49 |
| davechen | stevemar: so you decide to deprecate v2 api, and the v2 api will gone within 2 releases? | 18:49 |
| bknudson | if you get an error back from v3 validation it's going to be confusing if you're using v2.0 | 18:49 |
| stevemar | dstanek: v2.0 is special and gets 4 releases | 18:49 |
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| dstanek | davechen: no, much longer | 18:50 |
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| stevemar | one more topic on the agenda btw | 18:50 |
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| davechen | yes, it mine | 18:50 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: nice, it might be worth it to give it a try | 18:50 |
| stevemar | davechen's again | 18:50 |
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| stevemar | #topic Fully support attributes filtering | 18:50 |
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| stevemar | davechen: go ahead sir | 18:50 |
| davechen | since it might need update stable inteface as you mentioned | 18:51 |
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| davechen | we need support more attribute filter in keystone. | 18:51 |
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| dstanek | davechen: yes it will require interface updates | 18:51 |
| davechen | we missed some API, and i wanna to fix all these up. | 18:51 |
| bknudson | ok, I guess we can't make any improvements anymore due to stable interface. | 18:51 |
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| gyee | aren't we passing hints into the drivers? | 18:52 |
| bknudson | I'm fine with adding more filter options. | 18:52 |
| davechen | bknudson: so, stable interface should change | 18:52 |
| dstanek | bknudson: are you declaring keystone to be done? | 18:52 |
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| gyee | don't think hints are versioned | 18:52 |
| dstanek | davechen: the currently developed interface should change | 18:52 |
| davechen | gyee: yes, we need support more api | 18:52 |
| gyee | davechen, more APIs or more hints? | 18:53 |
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| davechen | more apis, gyee | 18:53 |
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| dstanek | gyee: not everything takes hints | 18:53 |
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| dstanek | davechen: is there a question about this? | 18:54 |
| davechen | dstanek: we need do this since osc use some of them but it's currently not supported by server | 18:54 |
| gyee | I thought all lookup APIs takes hints | 18:54 |
| gyee | need to 2x check | 18:54 |
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| davechen | is there any need for a backlog spec? | 18:54 |
| bknudson | this will need a spec change since it changes the REST api | 18:54 |
| davechen | dstanek: this is my question acutally. | 18:54 |
| dstanek | davechen: yes, what bknudson said | 18:55 |
| davechen | bknudson: sure, i will post one | 18:55 |
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| stevemar | davechen: cool, target the spec to backlog for now | 18:55 |
| gyee | so we are talking two different things | 18:55 |
| davechen | so, hope we can move forward | 18:55 |
| gyee | 1) api support more filtering | 18:55 |
| gyee | 2) drivers understand these new filters | 18:55 |
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| davechen | stevemar: what's the policy for backlog spec? | 18:55 |
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| samueldmq | davechen: just submit against /backlog in keystone-specs | 18:56 |
| dolphm | api docs are the important bit on the -specs side | 18:56 |
| davechen | gyee: yes, thanks sir | 18:56 |
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| davechen | samueldmq: i know that, but we can target in M or defer to next release? | 18:56 |
| stevemar | davechen: propose them to backlog first, if you want to re-target for mitaka send a note to the mailing list asking for an exemption, since we're past feature freeze | 18:56 |
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| dstanek | gyee: yes, the patch does both | 18:56 |
| stevemar | err spec freeze | 18:56 |
| samueldmq | dolphm: ++ we don't need a full specifitaion about introducing filters (it's trivial) | 18:57 |
| davechen | stevvemar: this is what i am worried. | 18:57 |
| gyee | dstanek, sure, will review the spec | 18:57 |
| davechen | sound good. | 18:57 |
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| davechen | who is stevvemar? :) | 18:57 |
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| stevemar | davechen: if anyone wants something to land in mitaka, that is not already here: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/#identity-program-specifications they need to send a note to the mailing list asking for spec exemption and find 2 champions willing to review | 18:58 |
| stevemar | anywho | 18:58 |
| stevemar | thanks for coming everyone | 18:58 |
| henrynash | davechen: stevvemar is the dark side version of our esteemed leader | 18:58 |
| davechen | stevemar: got it, thanks sir, I will try anyway. | 18:58 |
| stevemar | can we actually end early and not go into infra meeting time?!? | 18:58 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:58 | |
| bknudson | force awakens | 18:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 18:58:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-12-15-18.01.html | 18:59 |
| henrynash | yeah! | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-12-15-18.01.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-12-15-18.01.log.html | 18:59 |
| stevemar | pleia2: fungi: i did it! i ended a minute before! | 18:59 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 18:59 |
| pleia2 | thanks stevemar o/ | 18:59 |
| anteaya | stevemar: yay | 18:59 |
| stevemar | for once! :D | 18:59 |
| AJaeger | congrats, stevemar ! | 18:59 |
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| zaro | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | thanks stevemar! | 19:00 |
| fungi | infra team, assemble! | 19:01 |
| jesusaur | o/ | 19:01 |
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| Zara | o/ | 19:01 |
| yolanda | o/ | 19:01 |
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| AJaeger | \o/ | 19:01 |
| asselin_ | o/ | 19:01 |
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| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:01 |
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| jhesketh | Morning | 19:01 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | hello | 19:02 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:02 |
| fungi | jeblair: mordred: nibalizer: ruagair: around? | 19:03 |
| * ruagair grunbles about not enough sleep. | 19:03 | |
| ruagair | I am hear fungi :-) | 19:03 |
| ruagair | Bearing good news. | 19:03 |
| fungi | i saw | 19:03 |
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| fungi | well, let's get started | 19:03 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 15 19:03:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| olaph | o/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| fungi | unlike last week, we have a very _light_ agenda, so we can take our time | 19:03 |
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| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| fungi | #info Reminder: Gerrit 2.11 upgrade is tomorrow (Wednesday, December 16), starting at 17:00 UTC. | 19:04 |
| ruagair | o/ | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081037.html | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:05 | |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-12-08-19.00.html | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #info DONE: jhesketh finalize infra-cloud sprint planning details on the infra ml | 19:05 |
| nibalizer | ohai | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2015-December/003554.html | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | thanks jhesketh | 19:05 |
| fungi | #info DONE: fungi get gerrit maintenance included in thingee's dev digest | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082077.html | 19:05 |
| jhesketh | pleia2: thanks to you too | 19:05 |
| anteaya | yes nicely communicataed jhesketh | 19:05 |
| fungi | #info DONE: nibalizer send follow-up gerrit maintenance reminder | 19:06 |
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| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082247.html | 19:06 |
| fungi | #info DONE: anteaya plan an infra virtual sprint for knowledge transfer and holiday festivity, friday, december 18th | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints#Infra_.22holiday_party.22_knowledge_transfer_virtual_sprint | 19:06 |
| jeblair | o/ | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-holiday-party-2015 | 19:06 |
| fungi | all action items completed! | 19:06 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:07 | |
| fungi | #info APPROVED: Complete the reviewable release automation work | 19:07 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/complete-reviewable-release-automation.html | 19:07 |
| fungi | there are no new specs on the proposed list for this week | 19:07 |
| fungi | at least not according to our agenda | 19:07 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Gerrit 2.11 Upgrade | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts: Gerrit 2.11 Upgrade (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:07 | |
| fungi | zaro: are we still in good shape for tomorrow? | 19:07 |
| nibalizer | it sounds liket here will be a spec omming in the near term to host limesurvey | 19:08 |
| zaro | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gerrit-2.11-upgrade | 19:08 |
| zaro | yes, i believe so. nothing really new to report. | 19:08 |
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| fungi | any remaining blocking reviews we need to hurry and finish? | 19:08 |
| zaro | i just pushed up a change to make cleanup a little easier, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258088/ | 19:08 |
| fungi | and everything we identified to test on review-dev is in place? | 19:08 |
| clarkb | I think we flushed out most of the review queue over the last few days | 19:08 |
| zaro | nothing blockin the upgrade though. | 19:08 |
| fungi | that was my impression as well | 19:09 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/258088 | 19:09 |
| fungi | awesome | 19:09 |
| fungi | anybody hanging around with questions about the upgrade maintenance coming tomorrow? | 19:09 |
| clarkb | for the actual process do we have volunteers? | 19:09 |
| zaro | the javamelody plugin doesn't get automatically updated, but that's minor thing we can fix later | 19:09 |
| clarkb | I have to pop out early afternoon but can be around in the morning | 19:09 |
| * ruagair is happy to help however he can. | 19:10 | |
| zaro | DavidO says he'll attend the party | 19:10 |
| jeblair | i will be here | 19:10 |
| anteaya | I'll be here, not sure what I can do besides answer questions in channel | 19:10 |
| fungi | i'll be around the entire time and am happy to drive root-requiring tasks especially | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | I'll be around as well | 19:10 |
| anteaya | I'm expected a flood of is gerrit down? | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: yeah | 19:10 |
| fungi | anteaya: yes, running interference in channel is probably helpful | 19:10 |
| anteaya | so I can work on those | 19:10 |
| * anteaya will run interference | 19:10 | |
| fungi | do we want to use our incident channel to do actual maintenance coordination, so as to keep clear of the noise in our usual channel? | 19:11 |
| AJaeger | anteaya: just say every five minutes "Yes, gerrit is down, see #topic" in a friendly way ;) | 19:11 |
| anteaya | zaro: yay DavidO will be here! | 19:11 |
| clarkb | sounds like we are well staffed | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | fungi: I think that makes sense | 19:11 |
| jeblair | fungi: maybe a good idea? i sort of suspect we'll end up there anyway eventually :) | 19:11 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger: only stays friendly the first few times | 19:11 |
| fungi | jeblair: oh, so pessimistic! | 19:11 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: you want to tag team? :) | 19:11 |
| anteaya | yeah -incident is fine with me | 19:12 |
| anteaya | I'll stay in -infra and monitor | 19:12 |
| jeblair | fungi: i have no idea how you typo'd "real" that way | 19:12 |
| AJaeger | anteaya: I might come an hour later, 17:00 UTC is dinner time here... | 19:12 |
| fungi | bwahaha | 19:12 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: happy to have your support whenever the time is right for you | 19:12 |
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| AJaeger | anteaya: ok, I try to be there... | 19:13 |
| fungi | #agreed Gerrit upgrade maintenance coordination will happen in #openstack-infra-incident to keep the channel clear and improve efficacy | 19:13 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: thanks, I'm grateful | 19:13 |
| * olaph can help run interference as well | 19:13 | |
| anteaya | olaph: wonderful, thank you olaph | 19:14 |
| fungi | a reminder, for those who want to follow along but forget to /join the channel initially, it _is_ logged | 19:14 |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra-incident/ | 19:14 |
| AJaeger | thanks, fungi! | 19:14 |
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| fungi | anything else we need to decide or questions we need to answer about the gerrit upgrade before we move on to the next topic? | 19:14 |
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| anteaya | I'm good | 19:15 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:15 |
| jeblair | fungi: did you get your question answered about the project rename fixes? | 19:15 |
| anteaya | hey mordred | 19:15 |
| fungi | jeblair: yep, zaro worked the commands needed into the maintenance plan | 19:15 |
| anteaya | fungi: I think they are in zaro db script | 19:15 |
| jeblair | woot | 19:15 |
| anteaya | 's | 19:15 |
| fungi | and tested them as well | 19:15 |
| mordred | The wifi, it is bad in far southern Quebec | 19:15 |
| jeblair | ah. fix_project_rename() | 19:16 |
| fungi | with an updated sanitized dump of our production database | 19:16 |
| anteaya | mordred: ah but the wine is good | 19:16 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: maniphest migration | 19:16 |
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| * jeblair watches morderd attempt to use wine instead of wifi to participate in the meeting | 19:16 | |
| fungi | ruagair said something in the agenda about a dev instance | 19:16 |
| mordred | yah | 19:17 |
| fungi | jeblair: i feel like i've seen that happen before too | 19:17 |
| clarkb | ruagair: I saw a chnange go by last night that implied mod auth openid mostly just works (tm) ? | 19:17 |
| ruagair | Yep, so I've sorted openID: People can start playing with a dev instance here: http://os03.mcwhirter.io/ | 19:17 |
| clarkb | ruagair: if so neat! | 19:17 |
| ruagair | I'm currently generating unique usernames with a random string. | 19:17 |
| fungi | #link http://os03.mcwhirter.io/ | 19:17 |
| jeblair | i have logged in! | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | nice | 19:17 |
| ruagair | We'll need to consider if this is th ebes approach. | 19:18 |
| yolanda | ruagair, cool | 19:18 |
| clarkb | ruagair: for openstackid I think we can use the email addr and treat it as unique | 19:18 |
| fungi | it's certainly _a_ way forward, so you're not blocked on the missing usernames question | 19:18 |
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| pleia2 | woo, I'm 39oywejia82h1zzspxr8bsva | 19:18 |
| clarkb | I want to say that is true of lp too | 19:18 |
| anteaya | I can sign in | 19:18 |
| ruagair | There's still more migration issues to be sorted but we need to start playing with it and considering what changes we need to make. | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | but I can log in :) | 19:18 |
| jeblair | what's the usernames question? | 19:18 |
| ruagair | Phab does not like that clarkb :-) | 19:18 |
| clarkb | ruagair: huh interesting | 19:18 |
| ruagair | That's where I started but it barfs. | 19:19 |
| jeblair | (i am uludwh7i7wh5lqi5ed6epeq.) | 19:19 |
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| fungi | jeblair: storyboard did not have usernames, phabricator wants usernames, lp does not by default provide usernames | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | so you get your ip id token | 19:19 |
| fungi | openstackid also does not have usernames | 19:19 |
| ruagair | but you can change you uisername, so we could leave that up to people or scrape launchpad. | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | s/ip/lp | 19:19 |
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| clarkb | ruagair: is that something maybe we can patch? | 19:19 |
| jeblair | where can you change your username? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | liek is it just mad that there is an @ inthe username? | 19:19 |
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| fungi | i'd love to see openstackid grow a preferred username | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: "change username" :) | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: on the right hand side of the profile screen | 19:20 |
| jeblair | pleia2: still not seeing it :( | 19:20 |
| fungi | i should say, an option to fill in a preferred username | 19:20 |
| clarkb | fungi: I just want to avoid adding on features to that service until it is standard compliant | 19:20 |
| ruagair | Perhaps clarkb. I've not looked that deeply yet. | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: click on the head at the top right of the screen | 19:20 |
| jeblair | oh, it's a profile setting, not a setting setting. | 19:20 |
| clarkb | fungi: since right now it doesn't really do openid :( | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: yep! | 19:20 |
| jeblair | pleia2: i clicked on the wrench. | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | ah :) | 19:20 |
| ruagair | Yes, the '@' is th eissue clarkb | 19:20 |
| fungi | clarkb: true, though we'll likely want usernames for wiki, gerrit, et cetera | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | fungi: good point | 19:21 |
| Zara | do users have to be logged in to see tasks etc? (or is that just because this instance demos the auth?) | 19:21 |
| persia | For purposes of unique, could one just s/@/a/ to create an identifying string (assuming we don't need to convert the other way)? | 19:21 |
| clarkb | yup and email addrs change so are a bad unique identifier | 19:21 |
| jeblair | is change username an admin priv? | 19:21 |
| ruagair | and using LP because I can't use openstackID at present. | 19:21 |
| jeblair | because the dialog is sort of written that way. | 19:21 |
| mordred | ruagair: we can request a username from launchpad in the openid request, no? | 19:21 |
| anteaya | persia: I don't see change username | 19:22 |
| ruagair | It may be jeblair | 19:22 |
| fungi | i mean, phab is the first thing we've tried to use it with that really wants a username, but other things we want to switch to openstackid will also need that | 19:22 |
| anteaya | pleia2: ^^ | 19:22 |
| anteaya | persia: sorry wrong number, meant pleia2 | 19:22 |
| ruagair | I hope so mordred. I will be looking into that. | 19:22 |
| clarkb | mordred: I would have to go and reread the spec but yes you can request differnet attributes | 19:22 |
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| ruagair | The random number was merely just to unbock usage. | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: if you click on the head graphic on the top right it'll take you to a profile screen, profile screen has change username option in the menu on the right | 19:22 |
| mordred | ruagair: ++ | 19:22 |
| clarkb | and mod auth openid lets you map an arbitrary attribute onto the username it passes to the app | 19:22 |
| jeblair | jenkins requests username from lp | 19:23 |
| anteaya | pleia2: not for me it doesn't | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | :\ | 19:23 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: should be possible then | 19:23 |
| ruagair | So far everyone who has been able to change names are admins, so that's clearly going to be an issue. | 19:23 |
| jeblair | pleia2, ruagair: anteaya is not an administrator | 19:23 |
| anteaya | pleia2: I have "Edit Profile", "Edit Profile Picture", "Flag For Later" | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | ah | 19:23 |
| ruagair | Thanks clarkb. I'll follow up on that. | 19:24 |
| jeblair | so i think that confirms the earlier supposition change username is only for admins | 19:24 |
| * AJaeger is neither an admin | 19:24 | |
| jeblair | anteaya is http://os03.mcwhirter.io/p/2ctl83esnfk2k41dmkf2vb7/ | 19:24 |
| fungi | ruagair: well, at any rate, it's a start, and has helped us to define one need without blocking on it | 19:24 |
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| anteaya | I am indeed | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | ruagair: nice work | 19:24 |
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| ruagair | Yep. That instance will remain up and stable so people can prod it and I'll be doing dev elsewhere. | 19:24 |
| fungi | thanks ruagair! | 19:25 |
| jeblair | do we need someone to ask for a username field in openstackid? | 19:25 |
| anteaya | ruagair: thanks | 19:25 |
| ruagair | I'm also going to need a spirit guide make getting this work into puppet./ | 19:25 |
| ruagair | and an English coach. | 19:25 |
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| clarkb | ruagair: opening a random bug that should have comments I don't see comments just the title and header stuff | 19:25 |
| clarkb | not sure if that is known problem with migration | 19:25 |
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| yolanda | ruagair, i can give you a hand with puppet | 19:25 |
| ruagair | I've not used Manufest yet clarkb, so I'll look into. | 19:25 |
| ruagair | Thanksd yolanda. | 19:26 |
| fungi | jeblair: yeah, and i'd prefer it not be me to ask since i've been dragging my heels on working through the openstackid platform upgrade so already probably on their list of not so favorite people | 19:26 |
| * fungi makes a note to up the priority on that | 19:26 | |
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| clarkb | fungi: in fairness we semi stalled out on npm related things | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | because npm | 19:26 |
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| fungi | maybe if i hurry up and get openstackid.org onto ubuntu trusty then i can turn that around into a feature request for usernames ;) | 19:27 |
| ruagair | I would rather use openstackid too. | 19:27 |
| pabelanger | fungi: what is needed to do that? | 19:28 |
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| ruagair | I see review migrating comments clarkb. thanks for the heads up. | 19:28 |
| fungi | pabelanger: the puppet-openstackid module needs to become smarter about installing the right things depending on whether it's precise or trusty | 19:28 |
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| pabelanger | fungi: I might be able to help with that | 19:29 |
| fungi | so that we can confirm an openstackid-dev.openstack.org upgrade to trusty while leaving openstackid.org on precise temporarily | 19:29 |
| fungi | pabelanger: great! get up with me after the meeting and i can point you at the current reviews | 19:29 |
| pabelanger | fungi: ack | 19:29 |
| jeblair | i bet the request 'add a username to openstackid' is going to explode in complexity -- because what's the point of at authn system storing a username and _not_ using it as the login identifier... | 19:29 |
| jeblair | (probably needs to accept both username and email as identifiers at least) | 19:30 |
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| fungi | yeah, i can see it being nontrivial | 19:30 |
| clarkb | actually hrm | 19:30 |
| jeblair | any other field is just data, but this touches a lot | 19:30 |
| clarkb | I think it may already do first.lastname | 19:30 |
| clarkb | as your id | 19:30 |
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| mordred | yah - but that's going to be wonky when we migrate gerrit | 19:30 |
| mordred | because my user id on gerrit is "mordred" | 19:30 |
| mordred | not "monty.taylor" | 19:30 |
| clarkb | right | 19:31 |
| mordred | (actually, my id is 2 - my name is mordred) | 19:31 |
| fungi | but, for example, mediawiki uses it to decide what to display for your edit citations and where your userpage lives, gerrit uses it to bootstrap non-openid authentication (rest, ssh) | 19:31 |
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| fungi | so they're not really using it as part of the openid authentication, just requesting it as additional details about the account they're creating for you | 19:31 |
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| mordred | I'd love to be able to claim a username in openstackid, as well as tell it what my IRC nick is | 19:31 |
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| pleia2 | mordred: ++ | 19:31 |
| fungi | however it does need to be unique, or else you introduce new vulnerabilities in the consuming services | 19:31 |
| mordred | so that we could conceivably write bots that query irc nick from openstaciid so that they can ping people by them | 19:32 |
| mordred | but now I'm getting greedy | 19:32 |
| clarkb | but the existing thing may work for ruagir once it does acutal openid | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | one of the benefits of launchpad is the irc nick field, I use it a lot when looking for people | 19:32 |
| mordred | clarkb: ++ | 19:32 |
| clarkb | since it doesn't have an @ and is unique | 19:32 |
| anteaya | I see many troubles if we don't allow for that, irc nick as username that is | 19:32 |
| zaro | maybe wikimedia can help with migration? since they've probably already done it. | 19:32 |
| fungi | pleia2: and also ssh keys and pgp keys | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | fungi: yeah | 19:32 |
| clarkb | though I bet individuals could have a fullname of clark@ boylan | 19:32 |
| clarkb | because lol | 19:32 |
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| fungi | okay, seems we've burned down this topic | 19:34 |
| ruagair | Do you have an manifest task id for th etask that should have comments, clarkb? That would be useful to track. | 19:34 |
| ruagair | Thanks everyone :-) | 19:34 |
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| clarkb | ruagair: http://os03.mcwhirter.io/T1010621 | 19:34 |
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| fungi | zaro: mediawiki didn't migrate from storyboard to maniphest, they migrated from gerrit to phabricator | 19:35 |
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| ruagair | Got clarkb. Thanks. | 19:36 |
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| fungi | zaro: assuming that's the migration you're talking about | 19:36 |
| * persia is reminded of a discussion last year about a daemon that used nickserv to get an authentication countertoken from the data fields | 19:36 | |
| ruagair | I suspect the LP -> Maniphest will be much more graceful. | 19:36 |
| fungi | #topic Holiday meeting schedule: Are we meeting on December 22nd and 29th? (pleia2) | 19:37 |
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| mordred | fungi: they did neither thing - they're still using gerrit - but iirc, they use LDAP auth on the backend or something | 19:37 |
| fungi | mordred: oh, even more interesting | 19:37 |
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| pleia2 | I'll be around both days, but a lot of teams have already rolled up the carpets for meetings in 2015 | 19:37 |
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| fungi | i'm around both dates as well, and happy to chair a meeting if people want/see benefit in having one | 19:37 |
| * ruagair is around for the 22nd | 19:37 | |
| anteaya | I expect I'll be around those days, fine chatting in here if we have items, fine not chatting in here if we don't | 19:37 |
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| * zaro is around both days | 19:38 | |
| fungi | how about we plan for informal meetings that may be entirely open discussion and/or end pretty quickly | 19:38 |
| anteaya | wfm | 19:38 |
| pabelanger | Likely around too | 19:38 |
| jesusaurus | ++ | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | fungi: should I still send out meeting announcements? | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | i probably won't be around for the 29 but will for 22. | 19:38 |
| fungi | pleia2: entirely optional, but if you feel compelled to send announcements then that would still be perfectly accurate | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | ok, great | 19:39 |
| fungi | if someone throws something on the agenda we can discuss, but we should also plan for the possibility of not having many people around to reach consensus on important opics at short notice | 19:39 |
| fungi | topics too | 19:39 |
| anteaya | fair | 19:40 |
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| mordred | I'm just going to say things to the empty channel and assume silence means assent | 19:40 |
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| fungi | mordred: don't you do that anyway | 19:40 |
| fungi | ? | 19:40 |
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| mordred | yup | 19:40 |
| anteaya | he is having trouble finding an empty channel these days | 19:40 |
| mordred | that's why I'm certain that I'll do it then too | 19:40 |
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| fungi | heh | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | both days wfm | 19:41 |
| nibalizer | i think i can make the 22nd and I can make the 29th | 19:42 |
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| pleia2 | cool, sounds like we'll have pretty well populated meetings then | 19:42 |
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| yolanda | ++ | 19:42 |
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| fungi | well then, without further ado, i give you... | 19:43 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:43 |
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| anteaya | so much time today | 19:43 |
| fungi | don't all talk at once | 19:43 |
| ianw | i can give a quick update on f23 | 19:43 |
| fungi | please! | 19:44 |
| greghaynes | I have a bit on builders I'd like to mention, too | 19:44 |
| greghaynes | but I will wait for ianw | 19:44 |
| * fungi was kidding, feel free to all talk at once if you want | 19:44 | |
| ianw | glean is almost working, i think all reviews there are processed | 19:44 |
| ianw | there is one more dib workaround for a systemd feature -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257173/ | 19:44 |
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| mordred | \o/ | 19:45 |
| ianw | but after that, i'm fairly sure they'll come up with networking ... | 19:45 |
| ianw | that's in. basically, in progress and close | 19:45 |
| ianw | s/in/it | 19:45 |
| mordred | fungi: I'm on bad network - but I can try an update on puppet apply | 19:45 |
| greghaynes | The builders are cleaned up after the last round of reviews and I think they are ready to go. I would like to get some plan started on when/how we can do that... | 19:45 |
| clarkb | ianw: have you been able to test the networking config in json thing? | 19:45 |
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| clarkb | ianw: if not thats fine, just curious | 19:45 |
| mordred | fungi: there are two issues blocking moving fowrad - one is getting the inventory to use hostnames where possible instead of uuids so that our logs are readable | 19:45 |
| ianw | clarkb: not live on rax, but faking it | 19:46 |
| fungi | greghaynes: meaning the nodepool image build workers? | 19:46 |
| greghaynes | fungi: yes | 19:46 |
| mordred | fungi: I've gotten that change landed upstream ansible, now working on getting occ and shade support patches landed | 19:46 |
| greghaynes | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/nodepool+branch:master+topic:nodepool-workers,n,z | 19:46 |
| greghaynes | for context | 19:46 |
| mordred | so that should be done soon | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | So, apache::vhost::custom landed in puppetlabs-apache today: https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs-apache/commit/b9f630a60811694916ecf8758103d4bca2ac6038 I've already gone ahead an update puppet-nodepool to use it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205596/ | 19:46 |
| fungi | mordred: oh cool--so it was outside bugs/missing features we were stuck on? | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | so, we can start the process of porting to puppetlabs-apache | 19:46 |
| mordred | the second is a mismatch in ansible and puppet groups - and for that I'm going to write a simple thing to exapand a yaml group expressions into generated static inventory files | 19:46 |
| mordred | fungi: yah - well, 'outside' except I'm the author of that too :) | 19:47 |
| mordred | fungi: but yes | 19:47 |
| fungi | you're on the outside looking out | 19:47 |
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| mordred | yah | 19:47 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: I may be able to do it tuesday ( a week from today) | 19:47 |
| clarkb | with reviews happening again between now and then | 19:47 |
| mordred | anywho - we're CLOSE - byt I still need to get the group expanded written and tested before we can finish throwing the switch | 19:47 |
| clarkb | s/to do it/to help deploy it/ | 19:47 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: That works for me if it is earlier in the PST day | 19:48 |
| greghaynes | Doesn't have to be crazy early, I just am occupied that evening | 19:48 |
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| fungi | i've picked the bindep stuff back up off the floor. working through getting a functional test of our fallback list which project-config and bindep can both gate on, implementation of that necessitated moving forward with solidifying the bindep use in our jobs a bit so some of that has already landed | 19:48 |
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| jesusaurus | I've split log_processor into its own project, and the new python project boilerplate could use some review: https://review.openstack.org/248868 | 19:49 |
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| fungi | after fallback tests are running on relevant platforms (possibly voting for our required platforms and non-voting for optional platforms) i've got a couple alterations to bindep i want to finish so i can tag a 1.0.0 release | 19:49 |
| yolanda | from infra cloud, not much progress on our side this week. We've been fixing several problems with bifrost and dhcp, and some problem on glean and hostnames. | 19:50 |
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| fungi | yolanda: that sounds like progress to me. saw at least one related change fly by in channel earlier and some discussion | 19:50 |
| pabelanger | fungi: do you have any updates about the trystack.org SSL certs? or what needs to be done to help move that along? | 19:51 |
| pabelanger | have some people ping me about that internally | 19:51 |
| yolanda | fungi, well yes, slow but solid progress :) | 19:52 |
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| jeblair | i'm making progress on the fairly radical config changes for zuulv3 | 19:53 |
| anteaya | jeblair: yay | 19:53 |
| * mordred hands jeblair a cookie | 19:53 | |
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| fungi | pabelanger: i meant to look into replacing our certs with an account at startssl.com which seems like the least expensive way out, though increasing complexity of the openstack_project::static class is another option | 19:53 |
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| fungi | pabelanger: the current maintainers of the trystack.org server aren't keen on maintaining a redirect for a little while? | 19:54 |
| mordred | yolanda: oh - I might need your help to track down an issue with an occ patch and bifrost | 19:54 |
| jeblair | i think if someone wanted to start on the nodepool side of things, that can probably proceed in parallel, but it's not super urgent | 19:54 |
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| yolanda | mordred sure | 19:54 |
| yolanda | what's going on? | 19:54 |
| mordred | jeblair: I'd like to hack on the nodepool side of things | 19:54 |
| ruagair | What about Let's Encrypt certs fungi? | 19:54 |
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| * ruagair has been using those for a few weeks, quite happily. | 19:54 | |
| fungi | ruagair: that discussion would take a lot more than 5 minutes | 19:55 |
| ruagair | Fair enough :-) | 19:55 |
| jeblair | mordred: ooh | 19:55 |
| mordred | yolanda: this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254399/ causes things to blow up for TheJulia and I haven't gotten a chance to diagnose yet | 19:55 |
| jeblair | fungi: can you tell us why it would take longer than 5 minutes in less than 5 minutes? ;) | 19:55 |
| clarkb | can we get image builders in before we add any more featuers to nodepool? | 19:55 |
| fungi | ruagair: philosophical objections to letsencrypt aside, i haven't seen much discussion yet about how to handle the automated cert rotation | 19:55 |
| mordred | jeblair: but I cannot start thinking about it in earnest until next week | 19:55 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, i think we all agree image builders go in first | 19:55 |
| mordred | clarkb: I'd like to get image builders in and the shade patch landed, actually | 19:56 |
| pleia2 | it's also technically still in beta, which I'm not sure we want to rely upon for our production infrastructure | 19:56 |
| clarkb | ok, just making sure we don't add more rebase churn to it | 19:56 |
| mordred | because juggling two sets of cloud interaction codebase is not awesome | 19:56 |
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| mordred | clarkb: ++ | 19:56 |
| pabelanger | fungi: Ya, I've been trying to figure out a good approach for that too. Don't like doing crontab | 19:56 |
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| yolanda | mordred, i can take a look | 19:56 |
| ruagair | Yes, that's an additional complication to be considered fungi. | 19:56 |
| fungi | ruagair: especially how to make it robust against failure to update/rotate | 19:57 |
| mordred | yolanda: thanks! the last error she showed was unrelated, so I'm worried something else is broken in master of occ that we're not testing right that will break bifrost if we release | 19:57 |
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| mordred | but I just don't know | 19:57 |
| fungi | we don't want to rely on cert replacement automation which could cause critical services to grow new failure modes | 19:57 |
| ruagair | Wher's your sense of adventure ;-) | 19:58 |
| fungi | left it in my other pants | 19:58 |
| ruagair | That's a safe place. | 19:58 |
| yolanda | mordred, yep, region doesn't seem to be related | 19:59 |
| fungi | okay, well, we're out of time now--thanks everyone! | 19:59 |
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| fungi | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 19:59:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-12-15-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-12-15-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-12-15-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
| fungi | all yours, tc! | 20:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:00 |
| thingee | o/ | 20:00 |
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| annegentle | here | 20:00 |
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| russellb | hi | 20:00 |
| mestery | o/ | 20:00 |
| * dougwig lurks | 20:00 | |
| jeblair | o/ | 20:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:00 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | lifeless, mordred, markmcclain, jaypipes, dhellmann: around ? | 20:00 |
| ttx | ah. | 20:01 |
| ttx | dhellmann is probably off | 20:01 |
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| barrett1 | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 15 20:01:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| ttx | Hi everyone! | 20:01 |
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| * flaper87 bows | 20:01 | |
| ttx | Been away traveling all day, just catching up, so please bear with me if I'm not very up to date on todays reviews | 20:01 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:01 |
| annegentle | ttx: well, welcome back! | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Resolution about Image Uploads and Linux Kernels | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256438/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | Looks like the proposal, whic hwas mostly consensual last week, met some resistance today | 20:02 |
| ttx | and/or could be split in several steps | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | it's gotten comments from folks that weren't in the meeting last week | 20:03 |
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| flaper87 | I guess it's mostly around the wording not the resolution itself | 20:03 |
| ttx | flaper87: well... | 20:03 |
| ttx | jaypipes disagrees with the image upload capability, which is pretty central to mordred's proposal | 20:03 |
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| flaper87 | oh, mmh, I haven't read jay's comment | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | damnit, one can never be up-to-date | 20:04 |
| ttx | I understand what jay means | 20:04 |
| * annegentle reads too | 20:04 | |
| jeblair | yes, without being able to hang the proposal on image uploads we're back to specifying what kind of POSIX-like thing is there for tempest to use. i think that's a mess. | 20:04 |
| ttx | *but* I think it's fine as a requirement to call your cloud a nopenstack cloud to require image upload, frankly | 20:04 |
| ttx | it's an interoperability question | 20:05 |
| annegentle | Yeah I think the confusion I had around import/upload was better stated by jay as public/private and security/performance stuff | 20:05 |
| jeblair | ttx: i think "nopenstack" is what you call it if you _don't_ allow uploads, but yeah. ;) | 20:05 |
| ttx | If some private clouds want to not allow image uploads, so be it, they are just not "openstack clouds, they are a private cloud built with openstack | 20:05 |
| edleafe | lol 'nopenstack' | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | jeblair: ++ | 20:05 |
| dtroyer | ttx++ | 20:05 |
| sdague | ttx, right exactly, they are not openstack | 20:06 |
| mordred | clouds without image upload are useless | 20:06 |
| mestery | I think this nopenstack thing could have legs ... :) | 20:06 |
| sdague | people can build anything they want with the openstack code | 20:06 |
| mestery | But yes, what ttx said makes sense | 20:06 |
| ttx | which is quite ok, for an openstack private cloud | 20:06 |
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| flaper87 | I'm happy to split this resolution so we can have dedicated discussions on some of these topics but, I'm of the idea an openstack cloud MUST allow for images to be uploaded | 20:06 |
| mordred | I'm not | 20:06 |
| sdague | ttx: you need to stop using that word openstack | 20:06 |
| mordred | this is key | 20:06 |
| mordred | and all of the current clouds allow this | 20:06 |
| sdague | it is ok, for foo private cloud | 20:06 |
| mordred | the "no image uploads" is a theory | 20:06 |
| mordred | that is upheld by nobody | 20:06 |
| sdague | it is not ok for openstack private cloud | 20:07 |
| ttx | sdague: I don't think it means what you think it means ? | 20:07 |
| annegentle | where is jay? | 20:07 |
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| flaper87 | mordred: ++ | 20:07 |
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| cdent | annegentle: he's probably on a plane back from the ukraine | 20:07 |
| jeblair | mordred: are you sure your thing about bare-metal is right? do you really mean to say every openstack cloud must provide both vms and bare metal resources running on user-uploaded images? | 20:07 |
| angdraug | afaik Jay is in Europe this week, so probably asleep :( | 20:07 |
| jroll | jeblair: VMs *or* bare metal | 20:07 |
| fungi | it seems like this still leaves things open for defining that openstack compute clouds must do virtualization (allowing at least some specific platforms to be virtualized) and use uploaded images, while other board-defined trademarks could cover things like openstack container clouds | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | jeblair: IIRC, it's an or | 20:07 |
| mordred | jeblair: no, I do not mean that | 20:07 |
| fungi | er, yeah so virtualization or run directly on the hardware | 20:08 |
| mordred | jeblair: what I mean is that your cloud must allow the abiliyt to boot a user supplied kernel, and it can do that on vms or bare metal | 20:08 |
| jroll | jeblair: mordred: the bare metal thing is interesting, bare metal can't necessarily run arbitrary images | 20:08 |
| jroll | linux, yes, arbitrary no | 20:08 |
| mordred | it can | 20:08 |
| jeblair | jroll, mordred: right; i think i understand the intent is that ether one is sufficient, i'm not sure that's an unambiguous reading of it though. ;) | 20:08 |
| mordred | it TOTALLY can | 20:08 |
| dougwig | mordred: jaypipes sent you a reply on the ML: "Monty, just because I'm not there to argue with you in person doesn't mean you shouldn't channel your inner leakypipes and argue with yourself on the IRC channel." | 20:08 |
| dtroyer | presumably a user who knows he is using baremtal knows _how_ to use it | 20:08 |
| mordred | jeblair: k. we should fix tht | 20:08 |
| ttx | For example, I don't think any distro would cripple their "openstack cloud distribution" by not allowing image uploads by users at all | 20:08 |
| mordred | dougwig: hahaha | 20:08 |
| annegentle | snort | 20:08 |
| mordred | ttx: ++ | 20:09 |
| jroll | mordred: I missed "given matching processor architecture", ignore me | 20:09 |
| ttx | You can disable that ability in a specific deployment, but you shouldn't expect that to be interoperable. | 20:09 |
| mordred | jroll: yay! | 20:09 |
| sdague | jroll: right, you have to vaguely know how to build an image | 20:09 |
| ttx | which is all that defcore is about | 20:09 |
| sdague | like it not being just a lolcats jpeg | 20:09 |
| mordred | ttx: +100 - exactly | 20:09 |
| mordred | I think we can all come up with corner cases where a person can try a thing and that thing can not work | 20:09 |
| lifeless | o/ sorry I'm late | 20:09 |
| jroll | yep, that's fair | 20:09 |
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| annegentle | so, do we believe the only interop is in virt? | 20:09 |
| lifeless | child had an accident yesterday, had to do forms @ preschool | 20:09 |
| mordred | but I think thathe general idea that a user who is reasonably competent must not be prevented from running a working image that they have built | 20:09 |
| mordred | is key | 20:09 |
| ttx | We are not removing the ability to restrict image upload. We are just saying that the interoperable set is the one that allows you to bring your own kernel | 20:10 |
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| annegentle | lifeless: hope it's "all's well that ends well" | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | ttx: yes! | 20:10 |
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| ttx | because otherwise it just can't be interoperable. | 20:10 |
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| lifeless | annegentle: yeah, couple of scratches on eye lens, will heal fine in all probability | 20:10 |
| annegentle | owww | 20:10 |
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| sdague | ttx: right, because we need to think of this from the OpenStack application writer perspective | 20:11 |
| ttx | and I'll +2 the proposal as is for this reason. | 20:11 |
| mordred | annegentle: I do not personally believe there is any resaon to restrict to vms and not include bare metal | 20:11 |
| mordred | as I belive OpenStack is in the business of giving me machines, be they physical or virtual | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | also, to that, we can add all the discussions we've had in the last 3 (or 4) months with defcore, glance, API-WG to improve image upload to allow for clouds to use it publicly | 20:11 |
| annegentle | sdague: but the app writers already sidestep virt | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | well, that despite the fact that most clouds do already | 20:11 |
| sdague | annegentle: sorry, in what context? | 20:11 |
| anteaya | lifeless: done that myself 3 times, all healed fine | 20:11 |
| annegentle | sdague: containers | 20:11 |
| mordred | annegentle: many app writers sidestep virt | 20:12 |
| mordred | annegentle: but not all | 20:12 |
| sdague | annegentle: so you are saying all openstack applications are containers? | 20:12 |
| mordred | there are a specific class of app writers who NEED openstack and CANNOT use containers | 20:12 |
| annegentle | sdague: I mean, I've had to re-re-read any virt v containers discussions to understand | 20:12 |
| mordred | the specific thing those writers share is the need to have some amount of control over the kernel of the OIS they are running | 20:12 |
| annegentle | whether containers "are" virtualization or not. They're not. | 20:12 |
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| sdague | annegentle: ok, I feel like this went a little orthoginal | 20:13 |
| jeblair | also people who are writing an openstack "app" that is a container deployment technology *need* virt. | 20:13 |
| annegentle | mordred: and I absolutely want to have a "user first" hat on like you | 20:13 |
| mordred | full virt and bare metal are not needed by many people writing 12 factor apps - and that's fine | 20:13 |
| mordred | but we are not and never have been a good home for those people | 20:13 |
| annegentle | sdague: ok, fair 'nough | 20:13 |
| mordred | we ARE an awesome place for people to run kubernetes controle planes | 20:13 |
| sdague | because I feel like the point is what are the guaruntees we give applications folks, so they don't have to special case every cloud | 20:13 |
| sdague | and if they are writing to the nova / glance API | 20:14 |
| mordred | and to run docker swarm control planes | 20:14 |
| sdague | there is no interface to deploy a container there | 20:14 |
| mordred | yah | 20:14 |
| annegentle | sdague: right, so app devs can sidestep those APIs | 20:14 |
| mordred | yes | 20:14 |
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| annegentle | mordred: and yes, that's all cool | 20:14 |
| sdague | annegentle: right, and we are trying to give them guaruntees so they don't all have to ignore all our APIs all the time :) | 20:15 |
| ttx | OK, so does anyone besides Jay have objections to the current proposal ? | 20:15 |
| annegentle | mordred: hence my ask you don't bury the lede :) | 20:15 |
| mordred | anyd many do - and that's fine for them | 20:15 |
| lifeless | so | 20:15 |
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| lifeless | I think we need to separate product capabilities vs configured options | 20:15 |
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| lifeless | a *product* called an 'openstack cloud' - be it public, or an installer-style-thing, must IMO allow image uploads | 20:15 |
| ttx | lifeless: the question defcore asked was about deployed capabilities | 20:16 |
| mordred | lifeless: ++ | 20:16 |
| lifeless | a private cloud based on that product being able to limit who can upload images - fine IMO | 20:16 |
| sdague | ttx: I'm fine with what's up there | 20:16 |
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| mordred | yup | 20:16 |
| fungi | yeah, i think the point that a lot of users have "worked around" openstack's lack of consistent interoperability by adding their own normalization layer (at their own expense) isn't really an argument for giving up making that less necessary | 20:16 |
| lifeless | jay's point seems to target not un-certifying private clouds, which makes sense to me | 20:16 |
| sdague | fungi: ++ | 20:17 |
| cdent | there's a huge legal gap between (product capability and trademark definition) and (deployed stuff) | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | I don't have objections with what's up for review, tbh. | 20:17 |
| ttx | lifeless: but it can't be called "an openstack cloud", it may be called "a cloud deployed from an openstack distribution", I guess | 20:17 |
| sdague | or it can be called a cloud | 20:17 |
| mestery | I don't have objections with what's there either | 20:17 |
| lifeless | ttx: we don't certify private clouds today, we certify the product used to install them | 20:17 |
| sdague | without the word openstack near it | 20:17 |
| lifeless | ttx: AIUI it anyhow | 20:17 |
| ttx | lifeless: then all is fine | 20:17 |
| ttx | (if your understanding is correct) | 20:18 |
| sdague | but if we want an ecosystem of off the shelf software (open or commercial) that interacts with OpenStack clouds | 20:18 |
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| sdague | we need to set that SDK expectation correctly, otherwise it's all tears | 20:18 |
| lifeless | sdague: then those products need to be given appropriate acls on the cloud | 20:18 |
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| ttx | maybe mordred could sparkle some magic dust on the proposal to make it less worrisome for private cloud vendors | 20:18 |
| mordred | so - I can try doing that | 20:18 |
| lifeless | sdague: thats no different to needing a certain size quota, or particular image flavours | 20:18 |
| lifeless | sdague: is it? | 20:19 |
| sdague | ttx: why is it worrysome? | 20:19 |
| mordred | but I'm not sure that anything in here talks about that at all | 20:19 |
| ttx | while keeping the guts of it, which is interoperability of things we call "openstack clouds" | 20:19 |
| mordred | right | 20:19 |
| dougwig | if it's a private cloud, will anyone know it's being called an openstack cloud? tree in a forest and all. it's private. :) | 20:19 |
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| mordred | this is talking about clouds | 20:19 |
| mordred | not about cloud constructoin kits | 20:19 |
| mordred | if someone wants to claim that a running cloud is an OpenStack cloud, it needs to meet criteria | 20:19 |
| mordred | or else it's not behaving well | 20:19 |
| fungi | make it more clear, i guess, that the proposal is specific to public clouds and openstack software distributions seeking interoperability certification | 20:19 |
| sdague | dougwig: it will be the first time someone in IT gets Veritas for OpenStack | 20:19 |
| sdague | tries to plug it in | 20:19 |
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| ttx | sdague: I think /some/ private cloud vendors are worried that they won't be able to use the openstack trademark because their product is used to deploy clouds that do not allow user image uploads | 20:20 |
| sdague | and Foobar cloud they were sold doesn't have any of the interfaces for it | 20:20 |
| mordred | ttx: which ones? | 20:20 |
| dougwig | sdague: oh, you just gave me flashbacks and nightmares in one word. | 20:20 |
| mordred | ttx: like, who is doing that? | 20:20 |
| ttx | mordred: jay's employer, maybe | 20:20 |
| mordred | ttx: because I'm getting tired of theoretical people with theoretical problems | 20:20 |
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| mordred | ttx: I believe fuel installs clouds that can upload images | 20:20 |
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| lifeless | sdague: so yes, that matters - but as long as the product the company bought /can/ do it, is it an issue? | 20:20 |
| ttx | sure, and I think the concern is not warranted | 20:21 |
| edleafe | ttx: if their product doesn't allow it at all, then it's not openstack. If it allows uploads to be turned off, well, that's the deployer's choice | 20:21 |
| fungi | as long as their distribution allows you to build a cloud that allows image uploads, the fact that it also allows you to build ones which don't shouldn't be cause for concern | 20:21 |
| ttx | edleafe: ++ | 20:21 |
| mordred | edleafe: ++ | 20:21 |
| flaper87 | mordred: ++ on the theoritical people with theoretical problems issue | 20:21 |
| lifeless | edleafe: except when its a public cloud... ? | 20:21 |
| mordred | lifeless: when it's a public cloud it MUST allow image uploads | 20:21 |
| ttx | maybe adding a short sentence that says what edleafe just said would alleviate their concern | 20:21 |
| mordred | because then the user of the public cloud is not a private user who had a relationship with the deployment choices, nor should they be | 20:21 |
| ttx | but then , again, I'm fine with approving this as-is, I think it's clear enough | 20:22 |
| sdague | sure, though it does seem like in such an environment there should be a checkbox of "ensure compatibility with OpenStack" | 20:22 |
| mordred | ttx: I'm fine adding one - or doing a follow up that says such a thing | 20:22 |
| edleafe | lifeless: if a public cloud turns off uploads, then they are not openstack. | 20:22 |
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| ttx | My understanding being that all the other TC members are fine with it | 20:22 |
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| mordred | sdague: yah - because we're talking hopefully people who _want_ to verify that peope who write things "for openstack" can run those things on their cloud | 20:22 |
| mordred | sdague: so those people would not be able to assert such a thing if the cloud in question did not allow image uploads | 20:23 |
| annegentle | sdague: yeah and that'll enable that ecosystem too | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | tbh, the discussion is getting confusing at this point. Let's just say that clouds that want to me stamped as OpenStack must allow image uploads, regarless they are public or private. We don't need to care about the mechanics of how/why/when a private cloud would require such certification/stamp | 20:23 |
| mordred | flaper87: +100 | 20:23 |
| sdague | yep | 20:23 |
| mordred | you can ALWAYS use the software to do any number of other crazy things | 20:23 |
| ttx | mordred: without Jay around, i don't think we can make a lot more progress continuing the discussion in-meeting. I propose we move to the review -- I'll approve it whenever it passes the majority vote | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | right | 20:23 |
| mordred | I mean, the combinations are limitless | 20:23 |
| lifeless | edleafe: right. *we* are agreed. But we're writing prose folk will try to lawyer-at-us. | 20:24 |
| lifeless | edleafe: so I'd like there to be no things that can be taken out of context. | 20:24 |
| ttx | and I propose we move on | 20:24 |
| edleafe | flaper87: agreed. You can add the ability to turn it off, but it has to be an *option*. | 20:24 |
| sdague | ttx: ++ | 20:24 |
| mordred | wfm | 20:24 |
| ttx | unless someone wants to discuss another very specific point | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | I'm happy to comment on the review and reply to Jay's comments with the summary or even my own | 20:24 |
| mordred | the review conversation has been very useful so far | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | edleafe: right | 20:24 |
| lifeless | I'll be replying on the review after the meeting | 20:24 |
| ttx | a bit late, but then that was posted late too | 20:24 |
| mordred | I also haven't read jay's comments yet - so I'll poke those too | 20:24 |
| ttx | OK, moving on | 20:24 |
| ttx | #topic Spin off stable team as separate team | 20:24 |
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| annegentle | thanks mordred | 20:25 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/255159 | 20:25 |
| ttx | So this is the final stage of spinning-out the stable maintenance team into its own project team | 20:25 |
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| ttx | We had elections over the last weeks and the team has an initial PTL, mriedem | 20:25 |
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| ttx | I'll approve this now, since it has more than enough votes | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | mriedem congrats, wherever you are | 20:25 |
| ttx | #topic Redefine Release Management team mission | 20:26 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/255379 | 20:26 |
| ttx | So... back in the day the "Release Cycle Management" team was a frankenteam of things I happened to lead | 20:26 |
| ttx | i.e. release management, stable branch maintenance and vulnerability management | 20:26 |
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| ttx | Now that the last two are separated (one under Security, the other under its own team) it's time to reword the mission | 20:26 |
| ttx | still short of a couple of votes | 20:26 |
| ttx | alright, we are in | 20:27 |
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| ttx | FWIW I'll follow the team at least during the mitaka cycle to see it's off wit ha good start | 20:27 |
| ttx | #topic Rewording Freezer mission | 20:28 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/254239 | 20:28 |
| ttx | Non-trivial team mission changes need to be formally approved by the TC | 20:28 |
| ttx | This one sounds pretty simple | 20:28 |
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| ttx | mostly shortening it, not changing it | 20:28 |
| annegentle | ttx: I could just revise their patch, think they'll mind? | 20:28 |
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| flaper87 | annegentle: I don't think Fausto would mind if yo udo | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | I think he's a bit on/off these days | 20:29 |
| dtroyer | annegentle: I'd appreciate an edit pass over my suggestion ;) | 20:29 |
| ttx | annegentle: go for it | 20:29 |
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| annegentle | dtroyer: yep! Ok, on it | 20:29 |
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| ttx | the TC puts its famous iron fist on the table and overwrite the PTL proposed change | 20:30 |
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| ttx | +s | 20:30 |
| annegentle | dtroyer: I'll also start it with To verb | 20:30 |
| ttx | let's come back to that once Anne is done | 20:30 |
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| ttx | #topic Cross-project spec rubberstamp: Chronicles of a DLM | 20:30 |
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| ttx | thingee: you there ? | 20:31 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209661/ | 20:31 |
| thingee | ttx: hi | 20:31 |
| ttx | thingee: care to quickly introduce this one ? | 20:31 |
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| thingee | sure | 20:31 |
| ttx | looks pretty consensual to me | 20:31 |
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| ttx | missing a few +2s before we can rubberstamp it | 20:32 |
| thingee | at the summit we came to consensus we wanted to use tooz but have a refernece implementation for gate testing | 20:32 |
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| thingee | since then devstack supports bring up zookeeper as a first pass on a ref implementation | 20:32 |
| ttx | (annegentle: let me know when done) | 20:32 |
| thingee | there are also other drivers coming into tooz for distributed lock management | 20:32 |
| thingee | etcd https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246879/ | 20:33 |
| annegentle | done diggity ttx | 20:33 |
| thingee | consul https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245362/ | 20:33 |
| ttx | yay ^ | 20:33 |
| thingee | I think the future looks bright | 20:33 |
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| flaper87 | w0000h00000! Gotta love the options | 20:33 |
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| thingee | we are following a similar model to MQ's where there has to be two maintainers I believe behind a driver. | 20:33 |
| mordred | thingee: we're still planning on deprecating the less featureful toox drivers, yeah? | 20:33 |
| mordred | thingee: ++ | 20:33 |
| sdague | flaper87: I have to say, I mostly hate options here | 20:34 |
| flaper87 | (like redis) | 20:34 |
| mordred | thingee: like, the ones that 'work' but don't actually work | 20:34 |
| mordred | like redis | 20:34 |
| lifeless | mordred: call me maybe.... | 20:34 |
| sdague | because it just means segmenting our operator community into islands of knowledge that can't help each other | 20:34 |
| mordred | sdague: I also hate the options, but I think the current set of curated options are not the worst thing that has ever happened to us | 20:34 |
| flaper87 | sdague: it depends. If we're talking about the whole DLM discussion, then yes. I love the fact that tooz now has support for other consensus services | 20:34 |
| thingee | mordred: that's a good question. I need to follow up with julien on that | 20:34 |
| ttx | sdague: I like having one non-Java option. I agree that options are not necessarily a good thing | 20:34 |
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| mordred | sdague: they seemed segmented already | 20:35 |
| lifeless | sdague: if the operator community were willing to converge, we could do so really very easily | 20:35 |
| thingee | sdague: I also agree, unfortunately majority wanted options. I think the ref implementation is going to be what kvm is today in openstack nova | 20:35 |
| mordred | there was at least one vocal never-consul and one vocal never-zk | 20:35 |
| ttx | I would have settled with two (the best option and the non-Java option) | 20:35 |
| mordred | ttx: ++ | 20:35 |
| annegentle | sdague: oo good point, but it's a natural progression | 20:35 |
| thingee | sdague: also we had good operator presence and this is what they wanted. | 20:35 |
| annegentle | more hammers, more nails, more finesse as we go | 20:36 |
| thingee | options | 20:36 |
| sdague | thingee: so be it | 20:36 |
| ttx | still one vote short | 20:36 |
| flaper87 | FWIW, we tried to not have options at the summit and the result after talking to OPs and based on the knowledge we had back then, we thought tooz + options was the probably the best thing in this case | 20:36 |
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| sdague | we also thought that qpid was a good idea | 20:36 |
| * flaper87 remembers entering the room with his "I want just one solution" hat on | 20:36 | |
| ttx | sdague: who did ? | 20:36 |
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| thingee | flaper87: yeah even though I was moderating I was definitely leaning towards no options. | 20:36 |
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| sdague | lots of people, options were important. Erlang is yucky. | 20:37 |
| mordred | sdague: for the record, I've never thought qpid was a good idea | 20:37 |
| sdague | and, it turns out that superstition based on language, is silly | 20:37 |
| sdague | the important thing is software has been out there and used under load for a long time | 20:37 |
| * flaper87 still doesn't think rabbitmq is the best technology to use there BUT that's a whole different discussion | 20:37 | |
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| flaper87 | anyway, fwiw, in this case, we also listened to OPs | 20:37 |
| sdague | but, I'll let it go now | 20:37 |
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| mordred | flaper87: for the record, I've never thought rabbitmq was a good idea | 20:38 |
| thingee | sdague, ttx lets bring back the burrow mq | 20:38 |
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| ttx | hmm, missing one vote... jeblair, russellb, lifeless ? | 20:38 |
| ttx | thingee: about that, I'm wondering if we should not burrow cue | 20:38 |
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| ttx | since it looks a bit dead | 20:39 |
| * thingee takes note | 20:39 | |
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| lifeless | ttx: I need to do a final close read but its very likely to get my +1 | 20:39 |
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| ttx | oh well, let's go back to anne in the mean time | 20:39 |
| ttx | #topic Rewording Freezer mission (again) | 20:40 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/254239 | 20:40 |
| ttx | should we require fausto's +1 on it ? | 20:41 |
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| ttx | flaper87: or do you vouch for his support of it ? | 20:41 |
| flaper87 | ttx: I'd prefer to wait for his +1 | 20:41 |
| ttx | ok | 20:41 |
| ttx | Let's pile up our +2s still | 20:41 |
| flaper87 | I can follow-up with him | 20:42 |
| ttx | ok, please add your +2 to this one and i'll approve it as soon as Fausto +1s it | 20:42 |
| ttx | #topic Cross-project spec rubberstamp: Chronicles of a DLM | 20:42 |
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| ttx | back on track | 20:43 |
| ttx | it has 7+ votes now | 20:43 |
| ttx | i'll rubberstamp it | 20:43 |
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| ttx | done | 20:43 |
| ttx | #topic Cross-project spec rubberstamp: Add clouds.yaml support specification | 20:43 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236712 | 20:43 |
| ttx | last-minute -1 posted | 20:43 |
| annegentle | last minute! | 20:44 |
| annegentle | harumph :) | 20:44 |
| * ttx looks sideways to Anne | 20:44 | |
| annegentle | that was yesterday morning! | 20:44 |
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| ttx | well, this has been posted 2 monts ago | 20:44 |
| annegentle | heh | 20:44 |
| annegentle | yeah I'm late to the party | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | looooooooool | 20:44 |
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| ttx | It was until then a disturbing contest of approvals | 20:44 |
| sdague | annegentle: what's your main objection? | 20:45 |
| sdague | I just see the one comment | 20:45 |
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| annegentle | sdague: since going through that project ID exercise I realized just how many new projects we have | 20:45 |
| ttx | thingee: should we put it back to drawing board to address Anne's concern before going back to rubberstamp stage ? | 20:45 |
| annegentle | that may or may not already have a client plan | 20:45 |
| sdague | annegentle: ok, so it seems sensible to give them guidance here, right? | 20:46 |
| annegentle | thingee: would it help if I posted all the names of the clients in that sort of state? | 20:46 |
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| thingee | ttx: whoops sorry back scroll was stuck | 20:46 |
| ttx | that happens | 20:46 |
| mordred | annegentle: I can totally add some guidance for new projects | 20:47 |
| annegentle | mordred: thingee at the core of my question is this: are there different work items for say a handful of projects that are pretty new? | 20:47 |
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| mordred | annegentle: it depends on if they cargo culted python-novaclient or not | 20:48 |
| mordred | (that's a common way to start a client) | 20:48 |
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| annegentle | yah | 20:48 |
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| mordred | annegentle: but if you could point me towards a few new projects, I can look and write up a thing on what newer projects should do | 20:48 |
| ttx | ok, let's put it back on the drawing board for at least one week then, sounds like a valuable thing to have | 20:48 |
| mordred | annegentle: for context, it took about 45 minutes for me to port python-magnumclient :) | 20:48 |
| annegentle | mordred: | 20:48 |
| annegentle | heh sorry, I'll get you a list | 20:48 |
| mordred | annegentle: thanks! happy to have it | 20:48 |
| mordred | one of my tasks for this cycle is making the patches for as many client projects as I can | 20:49 |
| * mordred exects to rage code over chirstmas | 20:49 | |
| mordred | s/exects/expects/ | 20:49 |
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| ttx | mordred: will the thing you will write be part of the spec or separate ? Should we just postpone approval on this review ? | 20:50 |
| * flaper87 thinks mordred will rewrite openstack in rust | 20:50 | |
| mordred | ttx: let's give it one week so that I can make sure | 20:50 |
| ttx | ok | 20:50 |
| lifeless | mordred: you don't seem to have a lot of projects input - do you have consensus around this? | 20:50 |
| ttx | #topic Cross-project spec rubberstamp: Backwards compat for libraries and clients | 20:50 |
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| mordred | ttx: it's possible the list from anne could illuminate something missing | 20:50 |
| * flaper87 knows mordred thinks flaper87 will do that someday | 20:50 | |
| ttx | So this was added by thingee way after I sent the agenda, so don't worry if you missed it | 20:50 |
| annegentle | mordred: it's there, 9 projects or so | 20:50 |
| ttx | I'm fine postponing it if we need more time to look at it. If it has 7 votes though we can fasttrack the rubberstamping | 20:51 |
| mordred | annegentle: aewsome. thanks! | 20:51 |
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| thingee | ttx: sorry! | 20:51 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157 | 20:51 |
| thingee | yeah we can wait...I'll get better at posting things faster ;) | 20:51 |
| ttx | we are 5 rubberstamp votes short | 20:51 |
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| ttx | and if you've not read it before, will be har dto swallow in the next 9 minutes | 20:52 |
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| ttx | so maybe let's plan to rubberstamp it next week and give everyone time to read the final version ? | 20:52 |
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| annegentle | lifeless: nice work there | 20:53 |
| lifeless | I'll upload a version today including the thing about having a tag for this | 20:53 |
| lifeless | no changes to the meat of it though | 20:53 |
| lifeless | annegentle: thanks! | 20:53 |
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| thingee | ttx: thanks | 20:53 |
| sdague | lifeless: so could you comment about how the oslo.middleware issue we just hit fouled here? | 20:53 |
| ttx | #action ttx to put "Backwards compat for libraries and clients" and "Add clouds.yaml support specification" back on the agenda next week. TC members to read and vote by then | 20:54 |
| sdague | just as we have a set of guidelines, and we had a fail, and it would be good to see where they intersected | 20:54 |
| lifeless | sdague: the namespace one ? | 20:54 |
| sdague | lifeless: yep | 20:54 |
| lifeless | sdague: we did an API break while the API was still in use in deprecated form | 20:54 |
| lifeless | sdague: and we had no testing to catch it | 20:54 |
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| sdague | so L33 | 20:55 |
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| lifeless | sdague: the spec addresses both of those points: deprecate, stop using, stop *supporting*, then delete. | 20:55 |
| sdague | it was semver signaled | 20:55 |
| sdague | however, we aren't allowed to semver break any existing supported branches | 20:55 |
| sdague | so maybe just make that point a little clearer | 20:55 |
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| sdague | as it's mostly in the parens substatement | 20:55 |
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| lifeless | sdague: ack, can do. | 20:56 |
| sdague | but, yeh, seems solid | 20:56 |
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| lifeless | sdague: I'll break it into two points. | 20:56 |
| sdague | lifeless: great | 20:56 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:57 |
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| sdague | from what I see here, I think it's good, I can't project forward every detail off of it, but this seems like the a solid stab in the right direction | 20:57 |
| ttx | I can't help noticing the N naming poll is still not started | 20:57 |
| annegentle | sdague: ++ | 20:57 |
| * ttx tries not to look at mordred | 20:57 | |
| mordred | oh. BLAST | 20:57 |
| mordred | this afternoon | 20:57 |
| sdague | ttx he's not a medusa | 20:57 |
| * mordred sucks | 20:57 | |
| * mordred waves his snake-hair at sdague and makes his eyes shine yellow | 20:58 | |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 20:58 |
| sdague | fyi, I'll not be here next week, starting christmas break this weekend | 20:58 |
| jeblair | sdague: what shiny yellow eyes you have | 20:58 |
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| ttx | About dead projects, I think we should remove kite, too | 20:58 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: how are we monitoring those? | 20:59 |
| ttx | or at least remove it from projects.yaml, it can stay as a git repo if someone wants to take it over | 20:59 |
| sdague | ttx: +1 for removing kite | 20:59 |
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| flaper87 | did you just happen to notice? | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | or are we relying on stackalytics | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | ? | 20:59 |
| sdague | it was so dubious when it was kept in the first place | 20:59 |
| ttx | flaper87: was looking into a specific combination of tags | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | ttx: gotcha | 20:59 |
| annegentle | do we need anything for comms before the disappearing act of 2015? | 20:59 |
| ttx | type:service + release:independent | 20:59 |
| ttx | and uncovered cue and kite, then looked up stackalytics | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | annegentle: I was hoping to have the resolution merged, that'd have been a good thing to communicate | 21:00 |
| ttx | annegentle: maybe wait next week ? | 21:00 |
| ttx | and.. we are out of time. | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| annegentle | ok | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 15 21:00:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-12-15-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-12-15-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-12-15-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
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