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| Sam-I-Am | time for the networking guide meeting | 00:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anyone here for the networking guide meeting? | 00:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | seems quiet | 00:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | guess we're not having one | 00:08 |
| john-davidge | too quiet... | 00:08 |
| john-davidge | I guess not | 00:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | john-davidge: well, we can chat if nothing else | 00:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | got something in mind? | 00:11 |
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| john-davidge | Sam-I-Am: No, I have nothing to share. Busy with neutron stuff at the moment | 00:11 |
| john-davidge | Sam-I-Am: you? | 00:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | ditto, but i guess one could count the network guide as neutron stuff :) | 00:12 |
| john-davidge | Sam-I-Am: If only we could convince the rest of the neutron devs of that! :D | 00:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's some contribution now that docs uses rst instead of docbook | 00:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | its slow, but there | 00:13 |
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| john-davidge | Sam-I-Am: Yeah, definitely more engagement than there used to be | 00:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | i can do a lot of things, but features like bgpvpn are very difficult for me (or really anyone) to test | 00:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | the devstack config for a single node doesnt help operators much | 00:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | welp, i guess we'll call the meeting off. there's just not a lot of participation in any docs meetings anymore. | 00:16 |
| john-davidge | Sam-I-Am: Very difficult to write config docs that are useful for operators though, when deployment architectures will vary so widely between them | 00:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | at least its slacked off a lot in the last 2+ years, which i find sort of odd | 00:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | at a minimum i like to provide hints with a basic working scenario | 00:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i wouldnt deploy any of the net guide scenarios in production, but it gives people a good starting point to a) see something work b) break it c) make it work again d) adapt it to their env | 00:17 |
| john-davidge | Sam-I-Am: Well, we’ll try again next week. Have a good weekend! :) | 00:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | next week is the US meeting | 00:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | (the earlier one) | 00:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | we can continue this discussion in the neutron channel at some point... but i need to locate some food first | 00:18 |
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| john-davidge | Sam-I-Am: Haha, sure. Good luck gathering provisions | 00:19 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, dims: are you around for the release meeting? | 14:00 |
| ttx | yep | 14:00 |
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| dims | dhellmann : yep | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jan 8 14:00:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 14:00 |
| ttx | added a few things in there | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | our agenda is under week R-13 on the mitaka plan etherpad | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-relmgt-plan | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | yeah, those are good topics | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | I don't think we have any carry-over business from before the break | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic priority reviews | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priority reviews (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:02 | |
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| dhellmann | #info reno fix for ordering with merge commits: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254372/ | 14:02 |
| * ttx reviews | 14:02 | |
| dhellmann | that needs one more +2, I think, unless there are issues | 14:02 |
| * ttx should add reno on his dashboards | 14:02 | |
| dims | i have to star-it for later dhellmann | 14:03 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: there's a dashboard definition file in the gerrit dashboard creator repo | 14:03 |
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| dhellmann | dims : ack | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | the only thing that dashboard creator is missing for certain is the new repo to create the release schedule from yaml files | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | #info https://review.openstack.org/262003 update release liaison duties | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | are there any other high-priority reviews? | 14:04 |
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| dims | +1 to 262003 | 14:06 |
| ttx | 254372 looks good, I can approve now, unless dims wants to review it as well | 14:07 |
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| dims | ttx : am ok if you are good, i will try it out later and see if i spot any problems | 14:07 |
| ttx | alrighty then | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | sounds good, and I'll go ahead and cut a release today | 14:07 |
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| dhellmann | the liaison duties patch is less urgent, so let's move on | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review things we should complete before mitaka-2 | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review things we should complete before mitaka-2 (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:08 | |
| dhellmann | #info release-tools wrap up / make sure RC process is not screwed ? | 14:09 |
| ttx | I reviewed it already, needs a second ptg-core +2 | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll poke some of them today | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | ttx, what work do you anticipate for the wrap up here? | 14:09 |
| ttx | I think that could be done post-m2, but would like to try to get it done before if I can | 14:09 |
| ttx | it's mostly me focusing on them for a bit without interruption | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | ok | 14:10 |
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| ttx | also we might want to keep some tooling around until the last kilo stable releases are done | 14:10 |
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| ttx | i.e. mid-2016 | 14:10 |
| ttx | we may already have removed tools that they use, actually | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | oh, hmm | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | launchpad-related scripts? | 14:11 |
| ttx | and to push the tags | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | ok. I expected that we would be able to use release.sh even for stable tags. | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | unless it is leaving out steps we did for past series | 14:12 |
| ttx | they use upload_release.py for example | 14:12 |
| ttx | see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranchRelease | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | ah, right | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | ok, so we should probably recover that script | 14:12 |
| ttx | I'll look into that | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | and set some sort of reminder so we remember to delete it when kilo is done | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | although maybe that's not so important | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | #info migration to releases.o.o ? | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | I haven't started the migration, yet. I need to confer with infra. I'll put that on my list for next week. | 14:14 |
| ttx | yeah, was wondering if that would not be something we'd rather complete long before M release | 14:14 |
| ttx | so that people get used to the url | 14:14 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, it would be good to have it set up for the end-of-cycle marketing materials that want to link to release info, too | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | did we decide on releases.o.o or release.o.o (singular)? | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | plural feels more natural, I think | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | that may just be habit at this point though :-) | 14:15 |
| ttx | was it tarballs | 14:15 |
| ttx | yeah, tarballs.o.o, so releases.o.o I guess | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | yeah, makes sense | 14:16 |
| dims | +1 | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll see about starting that next week then | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | #info consistency checks on release models ? | 14:16 |
| ttx | another thing that makes sense being frozen starting midcycle | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | we had a bunch of changes to the governance repo proposed along these lines | 14:17 |
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| ttx | so we could say that changes are fair game until m-2 | 14:17 |
| ttx | after that, unlikely to be changed | 14:17 |
| ttx | which means I need to complete the consistency checks | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | good idea, do you want to send an email to that effect, to follow up on the thread you started about this already? | 14:17 |
| ttx | the bunch of changes we have are the result of me directly pinging affected PTLs | 14:18 |
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| dhellmann | oh, I thought that came from the email thread :-( | 14:18 |
| ttx | I'll come up with something | 14:18 |
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| dhellmann | ok. we should announce the lockdown deadline asap | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | is there anything else we need to review? | 14:19 |
| ttx | do you think next week release post would be too late ? | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | no, early next week should be fine | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | I don't want to wait for next week's countdown email, though, since that's thursday | 14:20 |
| ttx | we can say must be proposed before m2, not necessarily processed | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:20 |
| ttx | ok, I'll handle that | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | great, thanks | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | #topic status of automation work | 14:21 |
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| dhellmann | with the changes that just merged today, we have all of our tools in place and it's possible to release and announce a new dist with a single command manually | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | I spoke with the infra team this week at their meeting, and there are 2 things I took away | 14:22 |
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| dhellmann | first, we're blocked going much further with automation until they have the key management spec implemented | 14:22 |
| dims | ok | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | that's a priority for them, so I expect progress, but we'll be doing releases by hand for a while longer | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | second, because the release tools will run on the secure node, it's likely they're going to ask us to move them into the project-config repo in the jenkins scripts part of the tree | 14:23 |
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| dhellmann | that will make changing them a little more difficult, since we'll need to get infra to approve | 14:23 |
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| dhellmann | we'll see if that turns out to be an issue | 14:24 |
| dims | interesting | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | the release script install the launchpad lib stuff, so I'll have to see how they feel about that | 14:25 |
| dims | is this just so they are aware of the changes we are doing? | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | I'll also see if we can get +2 on that part of the tree | 14:25 |
| ttx | dhellmann: could we publish the tools on Pypi and could they rely on that ? | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | well, it came up in the context of security for the code that runs there on the node | 14:26 |
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| ttx | ah | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I got the impression they didn't want to have to install things to the nodes, that it might be a case of building the scripts into the image | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | we didn't have time in the meeting to get into all of the implications, so I'll raise that with them separately | 14:27 |
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| ttx | ack | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | anyway, just a heads-up on that | 14:27 |
| dims | they build images almost daily... so should not be too much | 14:27 |
| dims | thanks dhellmann | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | true | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | ok, moving on | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | #topic sorting out constraints issues for stable/liberty | 14:27 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-liberty-constraints-sanity | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | mriedeman, dansmith, sdague, dims, lifeless, and I talked about the stable library spec this week | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | as a consequence, mriedeman, dansmith, and I spent some time yesterday trying to figure out how to roll back the upper-constraints settings for stable/liberty | 14:29 |
| ttx | the backward compat one, right ? | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | we've turned off the bot that was proposing changes | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yes | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | we're keeping notes in the etherpad ^^ as we experiment | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | at this point, we're still seeing if we can tell which versions of things work reliably so we can prepare a proposal for the rollback | 14:30 |
| dims | dhellmann : right. i checked with dansmith that o.vo that's in stable/liberty branch works ok now | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | dims : yes, I think that's what I remember from yesterday. He did have some concern that we didn't have sufficient test coverage to make him comfortable with rolling all the way back, though, so there's a list of test jobs to add in that etherpad, too | 14:31 |
| dims | dhellmann : y, i added a grenade job for o.vo (multi-node) | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | mriedeman is driving the work, as part of the stable team, but I thought I'd mention it all here for cross-communication | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | dims : excellent, thanks | 14:32 |
| dims | good call dhellmann | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | ok, that looks like everything from the formal agenda | 14:32 |
| dims | i hope we can come up with a release-constraints.txt for stable/liberty and unblock the bot soon | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 14:32 |
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| dhellmann | dims : yes, we'll need both sets of test jobs first, but I agree | 14:33 |
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| dhellmann | oh, one other topic that came up was the difficulty in reviewing new requirements because of the changes in the constraints file | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264907/ | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | I proposed some alternate instructions, but lifeless objected on the grounds that they result in incomplete constraints, which means we don't understand all of the things we're adding to our dependencies | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | this came up in the context of the mimic requirement for ironic's functional tests | 14:35 |
| dims | dhellmann : if we saw mimic review, we would not have noticed twisted dragged in | 14:35 |
| dims | right | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | there was an email thread | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083510.html | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | dims : right, and when I did look at the constraints file with a dozen changes or so, I had no idea whether they were all needed or if some were just updates generated by the script because there had been a new release | 14:36 |
| dims | dhellmann : we could add a job that calculates the u-c changes so reviewers don't have to do it by hand? | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | dims : yeah, that's what lifeless and I came up with, but we need someone to write that part of the validation job | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | it could be part of an existing job, because we wouldn't want it to fail, just warn | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | that way if a new release of some third-level dependency happens it doesn't invalidate the proposed constraints change | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | and we'll still get that update when the bot runs the next time | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | ok, I think that's everything for this week, then | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | have a good weekend, everyone! | 14:39 |
| dims | dhellmann : do we have a TODO list somewhere? :) | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | dims : we're tracking all of that in the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-relmgt-plan | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | there are lists at the top organized by theme, and we have date-based lists at the bottom in the schedule section | 14:39 |
| dims | dhellmann : cool thanks | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll give back the 20 minutes remaining then | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jan 8 14:40:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-01-08-14.00.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-01-08-14.00.txt | 14:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-01-08-14.00.log.html | 14:40 |
| ttx | thanks dhellmann ! | 14:40 |
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