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lennyb_#startmeeting third-party08:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 16 08:00:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lennyb_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Feb 16 08:31:40 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)08:31
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-02-16-08.00.html08:31
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-02-16-08.00.txt08:31
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-02-16-08.00.log.html08:31
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alex_xu#startmeeting nova api12:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 16 12:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.12:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.12:00
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alex_xuwho is here today?12:00
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alex_xusuper quite recently12:01
alex_xuI guess due to ops meetup?12:01
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cdentFebruary is a dreary month in the norther hemisphere...12:02
alex_xuFor the concept doc, all the existed patch already merged12:02
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alex_xucdent: ok...12:03
cdentmake people tired and quite :)12:03
alex_xucdent: :)12:03
alex_xuI remember johnthetubaguy already closed the concept doc bp, but I think people still can free feel to add more doc12:04
gmann_alex_xu: +1, nice work12:04
alex_xu#topic API futures - patches for approved specs12:04
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alex_xuany patches we want to discussion?12:04
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alex_xuFor the allow server_id param as DB index12:05
alex_xuagree with gmann_ and sdague should check ec2 first12:05
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gmann_alex_xu: yea at first glance i grep into ec2 repo, so there their use uuid12:06
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alex_xuif ec2 didn't depend on that, I think we can remove that totally and without microversion, as there isn't a way to get that 'id' from nova api12:06
alex_xugmann_: cool, thanks12:06
gmann_but we need to completely check their usage from external API too12:06
sdagueit might be an some extended response12:07
sdagueI though that's what 2.4 was all about12:07
alex_xuoops, I may only check the 2.112:07
sdaguethat being said, it's not as easy to remove as you think, the get_id assumes either numeric or uuid at a very early stage in the code12:07
gmann_sdague: you mean 2.312:08
sdaguegmann_: yeh, 2.312:08
sdagueit was one of the first microversions12:08
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alex_xu#link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/doc/api_samples/os-extended-server-attributes/v2.3/server-get-resp.json12:10
alex_xuI didn't find out one field for that id12:10
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alex_xusdague: what is 'get_id' point to?12:11
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gmann_i also remember we do not put that in response12:12
gmann_#link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/views/servers.py#L10712:12
alex_xubut it still worth for checking to find out why ec2 needn't that for now12:13
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sdaguethat's where pretty deep in the compute api we go a lot of different directions12:14
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alex_xusdague: you mean there may have code still use compute_api.get with id in nova code?12:15
sdaguebecause this is pretty deep in the code, the fallout could be a pretty big deal to unwind12:16
alex_xuok, let's double check it12:16
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sdagueI consider this a really low priority issue to address12:16
jichenyeah, I did a quick check on this, network related functions used it12:16
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alex_xuit didn't hurt anything12:16
gmann_sdague: yea, we can do later.+112:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1522536 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "500 error returned from server GET by numeric id" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sriteja (sriteja-alapati)12:16
jichenso this bug should be invalid ?Just saw it12:17
sdaguejichen: that's a little different12:17
sdaguebecause we're getting a 50012:17
jichensdague: yeah, actually I also got 500 when I did test12:17
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sdagueI think that's just because we're not checking if the instance is really found12:18
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gmann_sdague: yea from cache12:19
sdagueanyway, that's a real bug to be fixed, and I think it's because something is not entirely safe in the db fetch12:19
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alex_xuI guess it due to we save the instance into the case with uuid, not the id?12:20
sdaguejichen: I'd start with a new test case in tree for that12:20
jichensdague: ok, will take a look ,thx12:20
sdagueno, I think it's an assumption in the code that get_by_id isn't going to fail on a context check12:20
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alex_xuok, I think we are done this problem, anymore want to bring up?12:22
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alex_xuif no, let's jump to open12:23
alex_xu#topic open12:24
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alex_xulet's talk about newton ideas?12:24
gmann_alex_xu: can we discuss tempest microversion before that12:24
alex_xuunfortunately johnthetubaguy and ken'ichi isn't here today12:25
alex_xugmann_: sure12:25
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gmann_sdague: as discussed, i submitted patch for using fixture for microversion setting12:25
gmann_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279430/12:25
gmann_if you can have look12:25
sdaguegmann_: ok, cool. I'll look today12:25
sdaguemtreinish is proposing that tempest-lib spins back into tempest12:26
gmann_sdague: Thanks.12:26
gmann_sdague: yea12:26
sdaguethat will make some of this easier12:26
gmann_sdague: yea that will be really helpful for miceroversion testing12:26
gmann_sdague: m also almost +2 on that patch12:26
alex_xugmann_: sdague, a question, which microversion we will test in the tempest?12:27
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gmann_alex_xu: All but with specific tests for that microversion12:27
sdagueright, what gmann_ said12:27
alex_xugmann_: ok, got it, thanks12:27
sdagueso for projects that need specific microversions tested we'll have dedicated tests for those (especially ones with behavior changes)12:28
gmann_alex_xu: example v2,2 - https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/api/compute/keypairs/test_keypairs_v22.py12:28
alex_xuwe probably late on lastest version a lot12:28
gmann_sdague: yea12:28
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alex_xugmann_: cool12:29
gmann_alex_xu: yea, at end we would like to run a experimental job running with latest to check any version tests missing etc.12:29
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gmann_alex_xu: that's all on this, we can move to next topic12:31
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alex_xusorry for unstable network...12:31
alex_xusdague: do you want to talk about newtown idea today?12:32
alex_xuor just wait johnthetubaguy and ken'ichi at here someday12:33
sdaguelet's postpone until next week when they are back12:33
sdaguewe're not really in a rush on it12:33
gmann_yea, Ken'ichi shifted to USA last week12:33
alex_xugmann_: ah, that's cool12:33
alex_xuI can't catch him in my working time anymore :(12:34
gmann_:), me too12:34
alex_xuso...no more from today, anyone have more bring up today?12:34
alex_xus/no more from/no more from me/...12:34
gmann_nothing from my side12:35
sdagueno, I'm good for now12:35
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alex_xuok, let's close the meeting early today, thanks all!12:35
gmann_Thanks all12:35
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Qiming#startmeeting senlin13:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 16 13:00:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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Qiminghi, pls check meeting agenda and see if you have things to add: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda13:01
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Qimingwelcome back, guys, hope you all have enjoyed a pleasant vacation, :)13:01
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yanyanhuthanks, you too :)13:02
Qiming#topic Mitaka work items13:02
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Qiming#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-mitaka-workitems13:02
haiweiyes, you four13:02
QimingAPI revision13:03
Qimingdon't think we have progress on it, or we can make them into M release13:03
Qimingso ... maybe we should move them back to the TODO.rst13:04
QimingHeat resource type13:04
elynnin progress13:04
elynncodes are submitted13:04
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elynnwaiting review13:05
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QimingI have some problems regarding the logics you used for testing action completion13:05
elynnCan't access to gerrit now...13:05
Qimingthere might be some cleaner ways to do that13:05
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elynnI will check that later.13:05
Qiminggood luck, :)13:05
elynnYou mean move them to senlin plugin?13:06
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Qimingmaybe you can paste the links to the related patches into the etherpad13:06
Qimingyes, it could be a routine on senlin plugin13:06
Qimingcheck something (action) has completed13:07
elynnWill do after my network back to normal...13:07
Qimingalso, some checkings are better offloaded to some threads13:07
elynnI reply you, it's not that easy... I reply you in that patch, I will have a look if I can move them to senlin plugin.13:07
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QimingI'm not quite sure I have a good understanding on doing things asynchronously in Heat13:08
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QimingThere might be some ways ... need some homework on that13:08
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elynnI think some of them are asynchronously in my codes.13:08
elynnCan you be more specific?13:09
Qiminghave to look at the code to be more specific13:09
elynnok :)13:09
Qimingcannot recall why we have oslo.messaging scalability there13:10
Qimingsomeone has got a higher memory capacity?13:10
yanyanhualso have no idea13:10
Qimingokay, two overflowed13:10
elynnNot sure about that...13:10
lixinhui_seems xujun mentioned about scalability test13:11
QimingI could be from Junwei Liu's talk during our meetup13:11
yanyanhuoh, maybe about a discussion in midcycle meeting13:11
lixinhui_but not sure what we can do on this13:11
Qimingright ...13:11
yanyanhuabout API service stop responding request in some cases13:11
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Qimingmaybe need to check with xujun and see if there are resources from their side working on this13:12
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lixinhui_good idea13:12
Qimingyanyanhu, you mean senlin API?13:12
yanyanhuyes, I think this is job is about best practise13:12
lixinhui_if anything need more testing, Bran_W can help too13:12
yanyanhuQiming, yes13:12
elynnSeems you told him to increase workers to see if that can be solved?13:12
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yanyanhue.g. when creating a cluster consists of 500 nodes13:12
Qiminglixinhui_, please do13:13
lixinhui_okay, Qming13:13
Qimingwe need to know the limits13:13
Qimingwith both cloud backends, the usual one, and the faked one13:13
yanyanhuelynn, yes, increasing worker is most direct solution13:13
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yanyanhubut still need more evaluation13:14
lixinhui_Bran_w has some data already, will send all the results for review and suggestion.13:14
Qimingyanyanhu just added some more items?13:14
yanyanhuQiming, yes. about test13:14
yanyanhuI'm now working on completing functional test for cluster/node13:14
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Qimingmaybe those are the samething bran has already started?13:14
yanyanhuto add test cases for cluster add/del node, cluster update13:15
yanyanhuoh, you mean stress test?13:15
Qimingright, those are yours13:15
Qimingyes, stress tests13:15
lixinhui_Yes, Bran_w focus on Stress tests13:15
yanyanhuactually my plan is not just doing stress test :)13:15
QimingI'm putting xinhui's name under that item13:16
yanyanhuI'm thinking whether we need to add a gate job for it :)13:16
Qiminggate job for stress test?13:16
yanyanhuto test the scalability for some important changes13:16
elynnI remember there's a project in community can help us do stress test?13:16
Qimingemm ... don't think that's a good idea, :)13:16
yanyanhuI have got clear idea how to do this13:17
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lixinhui_okay, Qiming, yanyahu, let me know if anywhere need labor work13:17
yanyanhuyea, so we need more discussion here:)13:17
Qiminggreat if you have already got a good idea13:17
yanyanhuxinhui, will talk more with you about this issue13:17
yanyanhulets think it together13:17
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Qimingmy concern is resources at gate are very precious ones13:18
lixinhui_okay :)13:18
yanyanhuQiming, yes, understand13:18
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yanyanhuso maybe a manually trigger one. Or just a test tool in senlin source tree13:18
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Qimingalso, need a clear design to ensure that we are stressing the correct target13:19
Qimingstress testing a cluster of 1000 m1.huge nova servers sounds crazy13:19
Qimingit is not gonna yielding any useful insights13:19
Qiminghow about we bring bran into this13:20
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lixinhui_Yes, Qiming13:20
haiweiwho is bran?13:21
QimingI believe VMware has a lot interests in seeing the scalability report13:21
haiweiVMware guy?13:21
Qimingbran is lixinhui_ 's assistant, you can think of him that way13:21
lixinhui_Yes, Haiwei13:21
yanyanhuI believe built stress test tool and test results are very useful for user who want to manage large scale cluster using Senlin13:21
Qimingtechnical assistant13:22
lixinhui_just trying to get more resource to help senlin13:22
Liuqinghaha  Qiming:)13:22
yanyanhualthough maybe it's just prototype or an example13:22
lixinhui_and bring senlin into VMware market engagement13:22
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Qimingmove on?13:23
haiweiit's better so13:23
Qimingoh, functional test for failure scenarios13:23
QimingI think that sounds a tempest job13:23
yanyanhunot sure how to do this13:23
yanyanhuyea, maybe not use existing functional test13:24
Qimingcurrently, we are only testing the 'correct' execution paths13:24
Qimingneed to test all weird inputs and make sure api and engine always behave as designed13:24
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Qimingthat will be a huge effort13:25
yanyanhuyes, and I think we need a design for 'fault injection'13:25
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yanyanhuactually, the functional test for lock breaker also faces similar problem13:25
Qimingem ... that would be cool13:25
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yanyanhuyep :)13:26
Qimingbut before that, I really hope we have a good idea about some typical cases13:26
Qimingsay, creating a cluster of 100 nodes, but only first 80 were successful13:26
Qimingscaling-in by 10 nodes, but we only managed to remove 3 nodes ...13:27
Qimingthese are more realistic challenges13:28
lixinhui_very import for industry level quality13:28
Qimingmaybe add a TODO item for this?13:28
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lixinhui_good idea13:28
yanyanhuyes, I think so13:28
elynnyes, that would be good!13:29
Qiminghopefully, we can get something done before M release13:29
yanyanhumaybe not only Senlin need this kind of tool/design :)13:29
lixinhui_is there sad path testing already in other projects?13:29
Qimingdocument the rest as 'known issues', haha13:29
lixinhui_like HEAT13:29
Qimingdon't know if any project is doing defensive programming13:30
Qimingoff topic now13:30
Qiming#action Qiming to add TODO item about testing typical failure scenarios13:31
elynnHeat has a internal resource, it can fake it's status. you can set to failed to success.13:31
Qiminggood idea13:31
elynnin that way heat can test failure cases.13:31
Qimingin senlin we can have some fake actions13:31
Qimingit may and may not succeed13:31
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yanyanhudo we need to expose API/rpc interface for it?13:32
Qimingoh, no13:32
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Qimingit is a testing support13:32
yanyanhuso we need to consider how to trigger it13:32
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Qiminglet's think of it offline13:33
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Qimingbtw, should we create a senlin-specs project?13:33
yanyanhunot that necessary I think13:34
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yanyanhuin this cycle13:34
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Qimingor we can have a specs dir in tree13:34
elynnmaybe a folder in senlin repo is enough?13:34
Qimingdoc/specs ?13:34
Qimingthere we can discuss designs like this asynchronously13:35
haiweiyes, should have that kind of thing13:35
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yanyanhusounds good13:35
haiweithough we didn't use it at all13:35
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lixinhui_I just wrote spec for nova13:36
lixinhui_and think we will need that when allow others to extend senlin13:36
lixinhui_according to my limited experience13:36
Qiminglet's practice a small scale specs discussion13:36
haiweihonestly that is the formal way13:36
Qimingand migrate to a dedicated project when we feel necessary13:36
lixinhui_sound great start point13:37
Qimingso you prefer a senlin-specs project ?13:37
lixinhui_not really a project at this time13:37
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lixinhui_but at least something others can follow13:38
lixinhui_spec dir would be good and doc seems not enough13:38
Qimingif we discuss things in tree13:38
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Qimingwe can always easily migrate the outputs into design docs13:39
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Qimingmoving on13:39
haiweiyou mean using mailing?13:39
Qimingprogress on health mgmt?13:39
haiweiok, go on13:39
lixinhui_the senlinclient change is blocked by sdk change13:40
Qimingyep, sadly, that's true13:40
lixinhui_but I am still working on senlin and sdk side13:40
lixinhui_hope to commit them into firstly then extend client once sdk problem resolved13:41
lixinhui_for the semi-automation part13:41
lixinhui_I will commit into some patch firstly for comments in this week13:41
Qimingokay, hopefully everything will gets sorted out by the end of this week at sdk side13:41
yanyanhuand will add functional test for node check/recover13:41
Qimingdocumentation side13:42
yanyanhuand for cluster as well after xinhui's job is done13:42
Qimingdid a little revision to the senlin wiki13:42
Qimingneed to work more on that13:42
lixinhui_okay, yanyanhu and Qming13:42
lixinhui_Yes, Qiming13:42
Qimingcontainer support13:42
Qimingemm ... I have tried something 'last year'13:43
haiweiI also did something in the last few days13:43
QimingI think I'm stuck by a scheduling problem13:43
lixinhui_you mean last days on horse year13:43
Qimingwhen you want to create a container, you need to specify on which VM/host to start it13:44
Qimingthat becomes a huge scheduling problem13:44
Qimingthough we can do some very naive 'placement' today13:44
yanyanhuthat's because no underlayer service helping to do a default scheduling decision13:44
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Qimingthis could be a spec for discussion13:45
Qimingyanyanhu, exactly13:45
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elynnk8s/mesos/swarm can do schedule task?13:45
haiweiI think if you want to create a container cluster by Senlin, you will have to do something similar to k8s and swarm13:45
QimingI know Haiwei has proposed a topic for the coming summit on this13:45
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lixinhui_cool, haiwei13:45
yanyanhuelynn, they can13:45
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haiweian idea from Qiming13:46
haiweiand also some magnum guys13:46
Qimingwe need to help him getting something solid before the summit, not matter the talk is accepted or not13:46
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Qiming#action Haiwei to start a spec discussion about container support13:47
Qiminghaiwei, okay?13:47
QimingReceiver functional test, done?13:47
yanyanhuwe can remove this item13:47
Qimingomg, finally find someething to remove13:48
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Qimingno progress I know of13:48
yanyanhuanother diffult work13:48
Qimingengine status list13:48
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elynnseems so.13:48
yanyanhustill minor issue there13:48
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yanyanhufunction is ok now13:49
elynnyes, still have a but openning.13:49
Qimingdon't feel shy to file a bug13:49
yanyanhuyes, elynn has done that13:49
Qimingokay, last item13:49
Qimingsdk change13:49
elynnIt's already filed :) I will look into it tomorrow :)13:49
yanyanhuelynn, no hurry :)13:49
Qimingit was a series of disruptive change13:50
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Qimingalmost all resources have their property name reinvented ...13:50
Qimingso we have to stick to 0.7.4 for senlin testing/functioning13:50
yanyanhuem, need rework senlin driver modules13:50
Qimingthen see if we can get a chance to catch up with 0.8.0 if that can be released next week13:51
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Qimingtime window is very short13:51
elynnSeems sdk is always changing... Hope it can be stable soon.13:51
yanyanhuwill work on it if 0.8.0 can be released soon13:51
Qimingnot this kind of changes ... sigh13:51
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yanyanhumay need one or two days, mainly for test13:51
Qimingthat is something just want to raise awareness in the team13:51
Qimingdon't try clone latest sdk code for senlin development13:52
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yanyanhugot it13:52
Qiming#topic sdk issues13:52
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Qiming#topic DB concurrency problem13:53
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yanyanhuit happened again?13:53
QimingI think chuck has reported the db concurrency problem again13:53
Qimingsadly, yes13:53
elynnIs there any bug open for it?13:53
Qimingthis time, I'm gonna monkey patch the oslo.db13:54
Qimingjust like what mistral has todo13:54
yanyanhufrom engine level?13:55
Qimings/todo/to do13:55
Qimingwill propose a fix tomorrow13:55
yanyanhuor sesssion level13:55
Qimingengine level13:55
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Qimingwhen doing get_engine, we set isolation_level to READ_COMMITTED13:55
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Qimingdon't see other way out13:56
Qimingokay, 4 minutes for open13:56
Qiming#topic open discussion13:56
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yanyanhuno other topic from me :)13:56
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lixinhui_no from me13:57
elynnNope from me :)13:57
haiweiwhat do you think of k8s and docker swarm13:57
haiweiok, no from me13:57
yanyanhuhaiwei, you mean use them as backend service to manage container?13:58
Qiminghaiwei, I am all ears to any entry level talks on k8s or docker swarm13:58
haiweiI mean replace them :)13:58
haiweisounds impossible13:58
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Qiminghaiwei, don't think that should be the goal13:58
yanyanhuwow, haven't thought that before :)13:58
Qimingthe goal should be 'openstack native way to manage container clusters'13:59
yanyanhujust got some experience about Mesos and glad to share it with you guys13:59
haiweiok, I will think that more13:59
Qimingor 'make containers first class citizens on openstack'13:59
yanyanhuwill join the discussion about container cluster13:59
Qiminghaiwei, be sure to start a spec or two on that13:59
lixinhui_interesting, yanyanhu13:59
Qimingtime is up13:59
haiweino problem, Qiming13:59
yanyanhulixinhui_, yes, lets talk this offline13:59
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Qimingthanks for joining everyone14:00
Qiminggood night14:00
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Feb 16 14:00:04 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:00
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ihrachyshi all neutrinos. I will give folks a minute before starting14:00
ajoack :)14:00
ihrachysgrab your coffeee14:00
* ajo grabs plenty of coffee14:00
* jschwarz has updated his calendar to make sure he doesn't miss more meetings <.<14:00
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ihrachysok. Let’s get started.14:01
ihrachys#startmeeting networking14:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 16 14:01:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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ihrachyshi all14:01
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ihrachysI expect the meeting today to be quite short14:01
ihrachyslet's see...14:01
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ihrachys#topic Announcements14:02
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ihrachysfirst thing first, we approach Mitaka-3 milestone14:02
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ihrachyswhich is the last milestone in Mitaka, if you wonder :)14:02
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ihrachysthe schedule can be found at14:02
ihrachys#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086362.html14:02
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ihrachysI advice everyone to become aware of it14:03
rossella_sand to review a lot :P14:03
ihrachysone thing to note is that this time release folks want to be more strict about exceptions for libraries14:03
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ihrachysand that means neutronclient too14:03
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ihrachysso, please don't leave stuff for the last day, especially if you have client pieces to merge14:04
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ajoyeah, there's a loophole there14:04
ihrachysor you may miss the release14:04
ajosome client pieces require the server side..14:04
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hichiharaclient deadline is Mar 2 ;)14:04
ajoso dependencies are exchanged in time14:04
ihrachysI would say, pretty much all featureful pieces require it14:04
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ajoI'm not sure it works14:04
ajobut ok14:05
ajolet's run14:05
ihrachyswe'll see14:05
ihrachysexceptions are always there, if you ask me14:05
ihrachysok, next thing to note is: voting for summit sessions is running for awhile already14:05
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ihrachysand it will end tomorrow, Feb 1714:05
ihrachysso in case you haven't voted yet, it's time to do it14:05
ihrachysok, let's move to upcoming events we may care about14:06
xgerman O/14:06
ihrachysas you all know, we have a midcycle in Minnesota14:06
ihrachysif you plan to go, please register at https://www.eventbrite.com/e/neutron-mitaka-mid-cycle-coding-sprint-tickets-2163478321914:06
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ihrachysthere are also some bug squashing events around the globe for Mitaka14:06
ihrachysone in Nuremberg14:06
ihrachys#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086394.html14:07
ihrachysand one in Sillicon Valley14:07
ihrachys#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Mitaka-BayArea14:07
ihrachysjoin them if you are around :)14:07
ihrachysno more announcements from anyone?14:07
ihrachysI guess nope. moving.14:07
ihrachys#topic Stable branches14:07
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* carl_baldwin has no idea there were eventbrite tickets14:08
ihrachysjust wanted to give a clue about stable branches state14:08
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ihrachyscarl_baldwin: mestery sent the invite a couple of days ago14:08
mesteryThere are14:08
ihrachysok, so stable branches14:09
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ihrachyssome of you probably noticed that kilo is broken14:09
ihrachysit's due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-fixtures/+bug/154298414:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1542984 in Python Fixtures "fixtures 1.2.0 isn't compatible with testtools 2.0.0" [Undecided,New]14:09
ihrachysuntil it's fixed, nothing is mergeable14:09
ihrachysopenstack stable team looks into it14:09
ihrachysso rechecks won't help for now.14:09
ihrachysno need to overload the gate14:09
ihrachysfor stable/liberty, we have some sporadic failures14:09
ihrachyssome of them suspiciously linuxbridge14:10
ihrachysbut I need to triage logs from several jobs before starting to pull people into looking at the job14:10
ihrachysok, that was purely informational. let's move on14:10
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ihrachys#topic Bugs14:10
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ihrachysmhickey: wanna update?14:11
ihrachysmhickey: anything interesting the prev week?14:11
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mhickeyone critical: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1543880; thanks kevinbenton14:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1543880 in neutron "duplicated security groups in test_port_security_disable_security_group" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton)14:11
mhickeysome open high:14:12
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Salvatore Orlando (salvatore-orlando)14:12
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1544548 in neutron "DHCP: no indication in API that DHCP service is not running" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Gary Kotton (garyk)14:12
mhickeyreleeased high:14:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1542923 in neutron "Linuxbridge agent failed to start when bridge_mappings is given" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)14:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1543880 in neutron "duplicated security groups in test_port_security_disable_security_group" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton)14:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1544349 in neutron "neutron-vpnaas db migration breaks in MySQL 5.6" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Al Miller (al-miller)14:13
mhickeythats it. thanks to all for help! :)14:13
ihrachyscool. I see those assigned to seasoned folks, I believe it's under control14:13
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ihrachysfyi this week it's rossella_s, and next one is dasm who are on bugs14:14
ihrachysthanks to all volunteers14:14
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ihrachyslet's move on14:14
ihrachys#topic Ongoing reviews14:14
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ihrachysI highly encourage reviewers to focus on deliverables scheduled for MItaka14:15
ihrachys#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/mitaka-314:15
ihrachysto ease the pain of searching for the patches that correspond to the bps and bugs from the link above14:15
ihrachyswe have the following link14:15
ihrachys#link https://goo.gl/Hb3vKu14:15
ihrachyskudos to rossella_s14:16
ihrachysthat's gerrit dashboard with all Mitaka reviews14:16
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rossella_sthanks ihrachys14:16
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rossella_sit should be updated every day14:16
rossella_sI wrote to infra to find a common place where to put the link14:16
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jschwarzrossella_s, awesome!14:16
ihrachysI see a lot of blueprints still in flight.14:17
ihrachyssome of them will probably need to move to next cycle, depending on their shape14:17
ihrachysso please help your PTL to get a clue whether a feature is ready for merge14:17
ihrachysby updating blueprint whiteboard and RFE bugs14:17
ihrachysand then our glorious PTL will go and scrub them based on the info14:18
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ihrachysI also remind that delivering a blueprint requires two people actively engaged: the implementer, and the approver14:18
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ihrachysto implementers: if you see your patches are stuck with no reviews, please reach your approver to see how to move forward14:19
ihrachysto approvers: please go thru the list of blueprints assigned to you and update whiteboards, if not already.14:19
ihrachysit will be of tremendous help to your PTL14:19
ihrachysoverall, please review as much as you can so that Mitaka is juicy :_14:20
ihrachysone more procedural thing14:20
ihrachysplease be mindful when merging stuff that is not scheduled for Mitaka14:20
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ihrachysespecially if the patch will evoke a huge number of git conflicts14:20
ihrachyshint: new gerrit UI shows the list of conflicting patches14:21
ihrachysso you can rely on it before pressing +W14:21
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ihrachysgit conflicts are not fun14:21
ihrachysespecially now when we had 350 jobs in queue the prev week14:21
ihrachysanyone wants to raise some red flag for ongoing mitaka reviews?14:22
* ajo checks how to see conflicting patches14:23
ihrachysok I guess everyone just wants to get back asap to reviews, and coffee14:23
ajooh, "Conflicts With"14:23
ihrachysajo: it's in the right top corner of UI14:23
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ajoDB migrations will always conflict because of HEAD, I guess :)14:23
ihrachys#topic Docs14:23
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ihrachysSam-I-Am: anything you'd like to advertise? :)14:23
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Sam-I-Amnot much, really.14:24
Sam-I-Amstill working on mitaka updates for the install guide and network guide14:24
Sam-I-Amnice to see quite a few contributions from neutron folks14:24
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ihrachysok, thanks for the update Sam-I-Am14:25
ihrachys#topic Open Discussion14:25
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ihrachyswe have a lot of time woot!14:25
Sam-I-Ami do have one thing... a bug i forgot about14:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1523031 in openstack-ansible trunk "Neighbor table entry for router missing with Linux bridge + L3HA + L2 population" [Medium,Confirmed]14:26
Sam-I-Amthat's a problem14:26
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ihrachysSam-I-Am: should we raise the Importance?14:26
Sam-I-Amthe other thing is trying to fix this mtu problem14:27
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Sam-I-Amseems like something we need to do before mitaka14:27
ihrachysSam-I-Am: ok I will target it to M14:27
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ihrachysSam-I-Am: what would be the plan for MTU for Mitaka?14:28
Sam-I-Amihrachys: fix it?14:28
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Sam-I-Amwe know whats wrong, its just making it work14:29
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Sam-I-Amthe tl;dr - we need to get the 'calculated' mtu for each network distributed to all the components of that network such as veth pairs, bridges, etc14:29
ihrachysSam-I-Am: yeah :) is it just a matter of setting network_device_mtu for all intermediate devices in hybrid setup?14:29
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ihrachysyeah, probably not network_device_mtu but per-network, yes14:29
carl_baldwinIs there a bug number?14:30
ihrachysI guess we may fix it for M, if it's just that. is the bug targeted? what's the link"14:30
Sam-I-Amnetwork_device_mtu breaks stuff in different ways14:30
Sam-I-Ammore or less just kicks the can down the road14:30
ihrachysSam-I-Am: do we have a bug number?14:31
Sam-I-Amcarl_baldwin: there's two bugs - https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1542108 https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/154247514:31
openstackLaunchpad bug 1542108 in neutron "MTU concerns for the Linux bridge agent" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins)14:31
openstackLaunchpad bug 1542475 in neutron "MTU concerns for the Open vSwitch agent" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins)14:31
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Sam-I-Amexactly whats wrong and how to fix it is explained there14:32
carl_baldwinSam-I-Am: thanks14:32
Sam-I-Amsolving this once and for all is a big win for neutron14:32
Sam-I-Amthis is a HUGE problem14:32
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scheuranihrachys, I also have a short (doc related) topic regarding source format of graphics in the networking guide14:32
jschwarzSam-I-Am, is this something we even hope to solve by M-3?14:33
ihrachysSam-I-Am: agreed. let's make it happen. I will target bugs to M.14:33
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ihrachysjschwarz: it may be considered a bug fix, so could probably go after M3.14:33
ihrachysSam-I-Am: ok bugs are already targeted. let's talk offline on how to make it happen. we'll need Sean too.14:34
ihrachysscheuran: shoot14:34
scheurando we have a rule how what the source format of graphics for the networking guide should be? Many of the are .graffle which you cannot edit on a linux system..14:34
carl_baldwinWho is impending the mtu fix?14:34
scheuranI used draw.io to paint some nice graphics and uploaded the source xml14:34
carl_baldwinJust targeting for M won't get it done.14:35
scheuranbut this causes troubles cause you need to exlcude every source file by hand as some xml parser will complain about it14:35
scheuranshould it be .svg? I mean is there a rule?14:35
carl_baldwinSam-I-Am: ^14:35
ihrachyscarl_baldwin: bugs are on Sean, but I gotta help.14:35
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carl_baldwinihrachys: ack14:35
Sam-I-Amcarl_baldwin: sean and i fixed a couple of things14:35
Sam-I-Amnamely around path_mtu and advertise_mtu14:35
Sam-I-Ambut we need additional discussion about the best way to make path_mtu less... obscure.14:36
Sam-I-Amare you at the MC next week?14:36
carl_baldwinSam-I-Am: yes, I'll be the first three days.14:36
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ihrachysI won't be there, in case you ask me.14:36
Sam-I-Amcarl_baldwin: we can either discuss it here real soon now and figure it out, or next week14:37
Sam-I-Amwell, not here, but in -neutron14:37
ihrachysSam-I-Am: do you have a comment for scheuran questions?14:37
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Sam-I-Amihrachys: yeah...14:38
Sam-I-Amscheuran: the docs folks dont care what you use to draw diagrams, as long as they conform to the standards/look and have some sort of 'open source'-ish version of the file14:39
Sam-I-Ami say open source-ish because it turns out there's no real open source diagram format14:39
Sam-I-Amsvgs are very much vendor-flavored14:39
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Sam-I-Ami draw most of the diagrams for the docs and use omnigraffle because it makes me life a lot easier... so i upload both .graffle and .svg in addition to the .png or whatever14:40
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Sam-I-Amthe docs team has been down this road many times and there's just too much bike shedding that prevents work from getting done14:40
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ihrachysscheuran: I guess that addresses the question14:41
scheuranok so svg is the choice14:41
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ihrachysok, I guess that's it for today, but I will give 1 minute for anyone to raise another flag14:42
Sam-I-Amscheuran: for now, yeah :/14:42
ihrachysok let's call it a day14:43
ihrachysthanks folks!14:43
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mhickeythanks, bye all14:43
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ajothanks ihrachys !14:44
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carl_baldwinSorry I'm late.  I thought I still had a few minutes.15:05
carl_baldwinThe meeting hasn't merged yet so I'm not sure who'll be here.15:05
carl_baldwin#startmeeting neutron_routed_networks15:05
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carl_baldwin#topic Announcements15:05
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carl_baldwinFirst meeting for routed networks15:06
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hichiharaI thought the meeting was postponed15:06
carl_baldwinIf nothing else, this'll help me work out any procedural bugs.15:06
carl_baldwinhichihara: No worries, I don't think we'll get to much today.15:06
hichiharacarl_baldwin: I got it15:07
carl_baldwinI'll keep the agenda here:15:07
carl_baldwin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Routed-Networks15:07
carl_baldwinThe meeting times have not been merged to the irc-meetings repo yet but I expect it to soon15:08
carl_baldwin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Routed-Networks15:08
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carl_baldwin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278114/515:08
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carl_baldwinFor whomever is out there who'll read this later, I'll leave a few notes...15:09
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carl_baldwinPlease review the specs15:10
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carl_baldwin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225384/15:10
carl_baldwin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263898/15:10
carl_baldwinAt a high level, I believe that these reflect the way that this'll be implemented.15:10
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carl_baldwinIt'll be good to start getting some early code up for review.  See the work items section.15:11
hichiharanova-specs seems backlog/approved. The spec was merged once in Liberty?15:11
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carl_baldwinhichihara: No, I put it there for lack of a better place.  I'll check with johnthetubaguy to see if it should find a different home.15:11
hichiharaOr "backlog/approved" just point out Newton?15:11
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hichiharacarl_baldwin: I got it15:12
carl_baldwinIn particular, please see the work items section in the first spec listed above.  Please let me know if I'm missing something.15:12
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hichiharaI will check it.15:14
carl_baldwinI'll personally feel much more comfortable working with contributors who have reviewed the spec, asked questions, made comments, and expressed interest.15:14
carl_baldwinI think that's about all I have.15:14
carl_baldwinhichihara: You or anyone else have any questions?15:15
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hichiharaDo we need to fix novaclient?15:15
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carl_baldwinhichihara: I don't think so but I'm not certain yet.15:16
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carl_baldwinhichihara: The commands to boot VMs shouldn't change, I think.15:16
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carl_baldwin#action carl_baldwin will clean up the agenda page on the wiki for next week.15:16
hichiharacarl_baldwin: OK. I have no question now.15:17
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carl_baldwin#action carl_baldwin will check with Kevin and Armando about whether full blown Segment API will be needed.15:17
carl_baldwinhichihara: Thanks.15:17
carl_baldwinThat's it!15:18
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jasondotstar#startmeeting openstack-salt16:00
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jasondotstar#topic roll call16:01
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jasondotstarok moving on16:05
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jasondotstar#topic Introduction16:06
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jasondotstar    This meeting for the openstack-salt team16:06
jasondotstarif you're interested in contributing to the discussion, please join #openstack-salt16:06
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jasondotstar#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Salt_Team_Meeting16:06
jasondotstar#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-salt16:07
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jasondotstar#topic Review past action items16:07
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jasondotstarlet's see who's around16:07
jasondotstargenunix to continue openstack packaging research16:08
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genunixyes, unfortunately no progress. Except for proceeding with redhat packaging.16:08
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jasondotstar#action genunix to continue openstack packaging research16:09
jasondotstarwe've got a new team member who's also looking into RDO packaging as well16:09
genunixyes! :-)16:10
jasondotstarand I've offered to help. I want to get back into building packages16:10
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jasondotstarok next one:16:11
jasondotstarjasondotstar to look at the integration of launchpad with our repos (bug triage, tracking, etc.) *important*16:11
jasondotstarok so here's some documentation that details how to go about this:16:11
jasondotstar#link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html#set-up-launchpad16:12
jasondotstarbasically this explains the process16:12
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jasondotstarI can work with cznewt16:13
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jasondotstarto ensure that we follow the LP process and setup the LP projects and groups correctly16:13
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jasondotstar#action jasondotstar to begin working on the launchpad integration (enlisting help from cznewt)16:14
jasondotstarany comments or questions on this?16:14
jasondotstarok moving on16:15
jasondotstarcznewt to look at beaker gates and how to fold a similar process into the salt workflow16:15
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jasondotstarcznewt: any news here?16:17
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jasondotstarok let's move on16:19
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jasondotstarcznewt get the first cloud based labs for openstack-salt testing fully operational16:20
jasondotstarwe'll carry both of these fwd until we hear back from cznewt16:20
genunixcznewt is probably still teaching on salt workshop16:21
jasondotstar#action cznewt to look at beaker gates and how to fold in a similar process into the openstack-salt workflow16:21
jasondotstar#action cznewt to work on getting the cloud-based labs for openstack-salt testing fully operational16:21
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jasondotstarok there was an open item regarding our engagement with the broader salt community16:22
jasondotstarto continue to engage the salt community regarding our standardizing dependencies, packaging, versioning, and testing16:22
genunixyes, my mailing list post is still with no response16:22
jasondotstargenunix: +116:22
genunixIt would be great if someone could ping it16:22
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jasondotstardo we have any contacts there16:22
jasondotstarbesides Nitin Madhok?16:22
jasondotstarI've had no luck reaching out to him in the past16:23
genunix#link https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/salt-users/pytloun/salt-users/v3PQDfRgtmk/8toLNeGVCAAJ16:23
jasondotstargenunix: thx for the link16:23
jasondotstarlet's keep our eye on it; see if we can get someone to respond16:23
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jasondotstar#action continue monitoring the salt mailing list for a response16:24
genunixmaybe at lest something like "Great work, I also wonder how to package..." just to get some attention :-)16:24
jasondotstargenunix: +116:24
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jasondotstarnext: jasondotstar to complete local dev testing setup16:25
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jasondotstarso following the process for setting up a local dev environment via vagrant works16:26
jasondotstarshould I publish my test results? blog post? wiki?16:26
jasondotstarwhat would you guys suggest?16:26
genunixboth would be great imo16:27
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jasondotstar#link http://openstack-salt.tcpcloud.eu/develop/quickstart-vagrant.html16:27
jasondotstarthose are the instructions16:27
genunixblog post could possibly get some more people to openstack-salt16:27
jasondotstarbut what I'll do is post a blog entry that illustrates it16:27
jasondotstarmy blog is on the openstack planet16:27
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jasondotstar#action jasondotstar to write a blog post that illustrates how to setup the openstack-salt local dev environment16:28
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jasondotstaranything else on this one?16:28
genunixwe will surely share your blog post on tcpcloud.eu and our channels16:28
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jasondotstarnext one:16:29
jasondotstarjasondotstar to work on pruning the salt formula projects underneath the stackforge/ namespace16:30
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jasondotstark so this one still needs work16:30
jasondotstarbut there was some guidance given to use from the -infra team16:30
jasondotstaras we know, we've got competing repos16:31
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jasondotstarsome in the stackforge/ namespace16:31
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jasondotstarand the ones we've been iterating against lately in the openstack/ namepace16:31
jasondotstarthe ones in the stackforge/ namespace are old and basically defunct16:32
jasondotstarBest solution is to push a commit deleting all files and adding a readme with a note that the head^1 commit is teh last state of the repo pre-retirement, then locking down the gerrit acl to read-only for it16:32
jasondotstarsince we cannot delete those repos directly.16:32
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jasondotstarthis is the suggestion from the -infra team16:32
genunixOk, it sounds fine16:33
jasondotstaron the meeting agenda etherpad, i listed out all of the stackforge/ repos16:33
jasondotstarbasically we go through this list16:33
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jasondotstarand do this for each repo.16:34
jasondotstarwe can divide an conquer this16:34
jasondotstaror one of us can simply work on it. either way I'll take the action to coordinat16:35
jasondotstar*coordinate it16:35
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jasondotstar#action jasondotstar to coordinate 'sunsetting' of the salt formula repos under the stackforge/ namespace16:35
jasondotstarany other thoughts on this?16:36
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jasondotstarif not that basically rounds out the action items from our last meeting16:37
jasondotstar#topic Today's Agenda16:38
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jasondotstar    RedHat packaging/config16:38
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jasondotstarthat's on the list, does someone here want to kick off this discussion?16:38
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jasondotstargenunix: did you put this topic on the agenda?16:39
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genunixno, didn't16:40
jasondotstarok I'm thinking that it was our newest member16:40
jasondotstarwell, the idea is around providing RPMs16:41
genunixwe are working on rhel support in formulas and arif-ali made some first spec file for building RPMs.16:41
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jasondotstari remember cznewt saying that the RPM-based stuff needed some love.16:41
jasondotstari saw a couple commits on that16:42
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genunix#link https://review.openstack.org/28060616:42
genunixYes, there already was some basic rhel support, but not maintained.16:42
jasondotstarhow were you guys testing16:43
genunixsome fixes are also needed in formulas not yet under openstack big tent16:43
jasondotstarwere you building and installing the packages in a test environment?16:43
genunix#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12d0GcnlIIFpg4439jWL_bRqaGeLzzIG6nCkjCNDo45w/edit?usp=sharing16:43
genunixYes, clustered setup, everything on CentOS 716:43
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genunixformulas are not delivered by packages but using git clone (at least until we have RPMs)16:44
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jasondotstarso we'll have to figure out gating16:46
jasondotstarthat actually builds the packages too16:46
jasondotstarjust to ensure that the spec files work16:47
jasondotstari think we're doing linting now16:47
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jasondotstarbut we've got to fold in the other project gates16:47
genunixyes, something like that, just rendering sls with specific pillars16:48
jasondotstardo we merge these in prior to having them testing via a gate?16:48
jasondotstarthat's something we can noodle on I guess16:49
arif-aliThe spec files don't necessarily need to be imported into the projects, and would be in the openstack-packaging project, then we can utilise the CentOS delorean for packaging16:49
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arif-alithat is my understanding16:50
genunixit would be great16:50
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jasondotstarthe review that's up there now16:51
jasondotstaris adding the .spec to the salt-formula-* project though16:51
arif-aliI just need to find where the tarballed packages will be for the salt formalas, then it can track these down16:51
jasondotstarshould we add those to openstack-packaging instead16:51
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arif-aliyeah, that can possibly be discarded, and create new projects under openstack-packaging16:52
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jasondotstar#action arif-ali to confirm where the tarballed pkgs for the openstack salt formulas should be hosted16:52
jasondotstarwe should confirm that.... can you take that one, arif-ali?16:53
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arif-aliso the other spec files that they have, expect them to be at http://tarballs.openstack.org/<project_name>16:54
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jasondotstar#action arif-ali to confirm the appropriate location for the openstack-salt spec files16:54
jasondotstaryea that looks like the right place16:54
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jasondotstarok any other thoughts on the RPM-based packaging work?16:55
jasondotstarif not, we'll open up the last five minutes for open discussion16:56
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jasondotstar#topic Open Discussion, Bug and Review triage (submit modules to triage here)16:56
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jasondotstargenunix: sorry, i didn't realize that cznewt was teaching a salt workshop16:57
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jasondotstaris there anything else that we should bring up?16:58
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jasondotstarwe good?16:58
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genunixI think it's all :)16:59
jasondotstarcool. thanks team - cznewt, genunix, arif-ali16:59
jasondotstaruntil next week.16:59
jasondotstarwe'll talk in chan.16:59
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genunixThanks jasondotstar :-)17:00
gibi#startmeeting nova notification17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 16 17:00:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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gibido we have somebedy for the notification meeting? :)17:01
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cdentI'm here, but haven't got anything to talk about.17:01
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gibiI have a confession to make17:02
gibiI did not progress on the stuff we discussed last time17:02
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gibithere was some crazy days internally17:02
gibiin my internal project17:02
gibithe last step I did was to followed up sean comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276363/17:03
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gibiduring that work I realized that we have utils.wrap_exception decorat17:03
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rlrossitgibi: sorry I'm late!17:04
gibiwhere the event_type is the name of the decorated function17:04
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gibirlrossit: hi17:04
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gibithat pretty much makes impossible to white list existing event_types17:04
gibias there is a lot that can come from the decorator17:05
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gibiso I'm here now17:05
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gibilost the last week on internal studd17:05
gibiI will pick this review up maybe tomorrow afternoon17:06
gibithat is all from my side17:06
gibitasks are still on the etherpad if somebody wants to pick some17:06
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* cdent is buried under resource-* for the time being 17:09
gibicdent: I see you found nice tasks there, and I agree that that is pretty important17:09
gibirlrossit: anything on your side?17:10
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rlrossitnot nova-facing unfortunately :(17:10
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rlrossitIf you get something up for testing against legacy event types, I'll *try* to take a look at it17:10
rlrossitalong with trying to keep up with cdent and hist resource thingys17:11
gibirlrossit: thanks! I'd like to put something up this week17:11
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gibiI think we can close the meeting early I don't want to keep you away from the resource stuff17:12
gibiI will ping you guys If I have something up on review17:12
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cdentgood idea gibi, thanks17:13
gibithanks, see you around17:13
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stevemarkeystone meeting reminder ping; ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, ericksonsantos, geoffarnold, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, joesavak, lbragstad, lhcheng, marekd, morganfainberg, nkinder, raildo, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, claudiub, rderose, samleon, xek, MaxPC, tjcocozz, jorge_munoz18:00
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henrynashbon soir18:00
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stevemarhenrynash: hola18:00
samueldmqhenrynash: bon soir monsieur18:00
notmorganstevemar: i thought i said you should sleep in today18:00
htrutahenrynash: boa tarde!18:00
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ayoungAnd I'm back18:01
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stevemarayoung: you were gone?18:01
notmorganayoung: wb18:01
ayoungaccidentally closed the window18:01
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stevemarayoung: i feel like you are always with me18:01
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stevemar#startmeeting keystone18:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 16 18:01:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
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stevemar#topic mitaka-3 release countdown18:01
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stevemarnot much on the agenda today18:02
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stevemar#link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/mitaka-318:02
stevemarwe've got about 2 weeks before mitaka-3 is cut18:02
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stevemarwe have 4 major blueprints that still need to get wrapped up18:03
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stevemarhenrynash: you've got domain scoped roles, which i think is in good shape18:03
stevemarhenrynash: do you have folks actively reviewing the work?18:03
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ayoungI am18:03
henrynashstevemar: yep, just fixing up the trust interaction18:03
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stevemarhenrynash: anyone else, i poked at it a bit18:04
samueldmqstevemar: yep, I, ayoung and henrynash are working on getting dsr and reseller (phase 1)18:04
gyeeI am keeping an eye on them as well18:04
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samueldmqstevemar: I am also looking at project tree ops18:04
stevemarsamueldmq: i punted reseller to N, there were a bunch of patches still outstanding18:04
henrynashstevemar, ayoung: next set of patches on dsr and reseller are looking for final +2/A18:04
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stevemarsamueldmq: project tree ops are still on target18:05
samueldmqstevemar: even phase 1 ?18:05
samueldmqstevemar: I didn't know about that decision, thanks for the update18:05
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stevemarsamueldmq: i think so, last i checked on friday, there were about 7 patches to go, in various WIP and merge conflict states18:05
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htrutastevemar: there isn't that many patches, and as henrynash said, most of them had +218:06
samueldmqstevemar: yes, I agree, perhaps we can consider looking at them again if we have good progress this week ?18:06
stevemarhtruta: i count 10 here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:bp/reseller18:06
henrynashstevemar: not all those are required, there are 5 that re needed for it to be actualy implented, the rest is cleanup….first 4 aer all good to go, the final one is waiting on a cinder fix18:06
samueldmqstevemar: I was/am putting a lot of effort reviewing then (still at the top ones)18:07
htrutastevemar: those include phase1 and phase 2. We're only interested in phase 1 in M18:07
samueldmqhtruta: so 5 ?18:07
samueldmqhenrynash: ^18:07
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htrutasamueldmq: yes18:07
stevemarhenrynash: htruta then update the bp accordingly? remove the patches from the discussion section that are unrelated18:07
henrynashsamueldmq: yes, the first 5 on that list.  If we do that, then projects are acting as domains18:07
samueldmqstevemar: ++18:08
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samueldmqstevemar: let them update the bp with the *5* patches to implement it18:08
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samueldmqstevemar: and reconsider that to M :)18:08
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stevemarsamueldmq: just remove ones that are unrelated18:08
stevemarsamueldmq: yep18:08
samueldmqstevemar: I will keep working with henrynash and ayoung and htruta to get them through this week (ideally)18:09
ayounghenrynash, at least +1 the reviews that you are feel you've done too much on to +2, to show that you approve the additions18:09
stevemarsamueldmq: sounds good18:09
samueldmqstevemar: perfect18:09
ayounghttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/264533/ for example18:09
henrynashayoung: ok18:09
stevemarnext up is the totp stuff18:09
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stevemar#topic totp18:10
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stevemar#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274901/18:10
henrynashayoung: done18:10
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stevemari've been extra harsh on it since the spec took so long, and the we had to give it a FFE18:10
stevemari'm not seeing any docs or tests, and we're 2 weeks away18:10
notmorganat this point with lack of docs, testing, etc18:10
notmorgani am voting push to N18:11
gyeestevemar we still have 2 weeks :)18:11
stevemarstrategy with keystoneauth is undefined18:11
notmorganand i was a champion of it at the midcycle assuming it would move faster than it did18:11
stevemargyee: it's more than that, it's diverted resources from other bps, and also maintaining the code18:11
gyeestevemar, I am just trying to help, is the Werner in the house?18:12
ayoungI think totp can make it18:12
stevemari'm pessimistic on this one, if i ned a reality check, then i'm asking others to let me know18:12
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ayoungit really is just a documentation change, to distinguish it from standard password18:12
lbragstadit looks like it has tests?18:12
ayoungit should not be doing anything really wacky18:12
stevemarlbragstad: 2 tests18:12
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notmorganayoung: and needs a ksa/auth-plugin story18:13
notmorganayoung: and tests for tha18:13
ayoungnotmorgan, ksa can happen after M3 though18:13
gyeeksa requirement is a bit harsh IMO18:13
notmorganayoung: no it can't really18:13
bknudson_client libs final release is before M318:13
gyeewe don't require keystoneclient code complete with the new APIs18:13
notmorganayoung: we will be past the mitaka deadline soon for non-client libs18:13
dstanekstevemar: i'm going to be helping out with that one i think18:13
ayoungnotmorgan, ok18:13
samueldmqstevemar: and if we vote for keeping it, we should have super-champions to help getting a great progress until the end of this week ?18:13
dstanekthe totp one that is18:14
* ayoung needs to finish implied roles then18:14
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notmorganand client libs will be 1 week past m318:14
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bknudson_Final release for  non-client libraries: Feb 2418:14
stevemaryes, client libs are coming out very soon18:14
bknudson_Final release for client libraries: Mar 218:14
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stevemari'm going to propose keystoneauth and keystonemiddleware today actually18:14
stevemarthat was another topic18:14
gyeesamueldmq, it will be in good shape by the end of week :)18:14
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notmorganstevemar: hold please till closer to the deadline.18:15
stevemargyee: OK, i'll give it til end of week18:15
marekdso no server side feature will be approved without client libs?18:15
notmorganstevemar: for ksm/ksa18:15
marekdclientside impl18:15
stevemarnotmorgan: why? anticipating something?18:15
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notmorganstevemar: there is something jamie was working on i want to see igf we can land18:15
notmorganthe authplugin -> oslo.context bigs18:15
gyeemarekd, we can make it a new rule if you want18:16
stevemarnotmorgan: okay, get it lined up quickly18:16
notmorganmarekd: we need a "what does this look like" story.18:16
notmorganstevemar: just propose on the 22 or so ;)18:16
stevemarmarekd: gyee no no no, it's not a requirement18:16
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notmorganmarekd: not a "this is implemented"18:16
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notmorganbut with an auth-type i expect especially with the low amount of code to have that complete18:16
stevemarmarekd: gyee -- i am asking "how will totp work with ksa?" how am i expected to use it18:16
marekdgyee: i absolutely don't want that.18:16
notmorganespecially with how slow that code is moving on updates/responses to comments18:17
marekdnotmorgan: understood.18:17
stevemarmarekd: gyee for most work items, it's just new APIs, which are an existing pattern in keystoneclient18:17
stevemari know how much work is expected in keystoneclient when we add a new route18:17
marekdstevemar: yeah, i just got scared that we now must ship server + client code and somehow I wasn't aware of that.18:18
stevemari have no idea how much work is needed in keystoneauth with totp18:18
notmorganauth plugins are also tiny amounts of work really18:18
gyeestevemar, yeah, like notmorgan said18:18
notmorganbut the keystone side has dragged a lot.18:18
stevemarnotmorgan: ++18:18
stevemarit's a mix of a lot of things18:18
dstanekstevemar: what is the minimum i would need to do to ksa? a proof-of-concept show how it would work?18:19
gyeebut yeah I agree the main author need to be a bit more urgent18:19
gyeewe're here to help, but ...18:19
marekdsame with shadow users :(18:19
stevemardstanek: poc works for me, even a straw man dictating how you expect it to work18:19
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notmorgandstanek: a POC in KSA [and i bet you'd fine the POC will be almost ready to go] and full testing/docs on the keystone side18:19
stevemarright now it's all hand waves18:19
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samueldmqstevemar: if we wnt to see a great progress until the end of the week, I'd like to propose we find champions for this18:20
samueldmqstevemar: otherwise it won't get the attention it needs18:20
stevemarsamueldmq: sounds like dstanek and gyee are on it18:20
notmorgani mean, an auth plugin that just bundles the stuff in the right way to auth will likely be able to land before m3.18:20
samueldmqstevemar: perfect then, I just wanted to make sure we're on the right way :)18:20
dstanekstevemar: yeah, it was written by someone on my team so i have no issue picking it up18:20
stevemarsince marek brought it up...18:21
stevemar#topic shadow users18:21
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stevemaryou found your way to irc land!18:21
rderoseshadow users has 3 main parts, separate user identities, shadow federated users, shadow ldap users18:21
rderoseseparate user identities is ready for review18:22
lbragstadrderose link?18:22
rderoseshould be closer to finishing shadow federated users by the end of the week18:22
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stevemarlbragstad: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278570/18:22
rderoseshadow ldap users probably push to N18:22
marekdrderose: hm i only see some extra layer in the db18:22
lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:bp/shadow-users18:22
marekdfor all the types of users18:22
samueldmqdles t18:22
lbragstad^ branch in case anyone is interested18:22
stevemarrderose i'm really happy with the first patch18:22
samueldmqdoes it make sense to make shadow users partially in a release ?18:23
samueldmqvs pushing everything to N ?18:23
stevemarsamueldmq: we can live without the ldap stuff i think18:23
stevemardolphm: ^18:23
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rderosemarekd separating user identites is really only in the db layer18:23
notmorganscaffolding is a find thing to land in M18:23
bknudson_I think it's going to be confusing to deployers if it only partially works.18:23
stevemardolphm: what were you ++'ing, there were 5 messages at the same time18:23
samueldmqstevemar: cool, we should be fine with 2 first parts then18:23
dolphmstevemar: yours18:23
bretonbknudson_: ++18:24
notmorganas long as it doesn't expose the confusing things to deployers or end users18:24
stevemardolphm: ++18:24
dolphmstevemar: ++18:24
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notmorganif you need to just land some tables and some internal restructures, thats fine.18:24
marekdrderose: yeah, but are you going to add some logic apart db layer?18:24
stevemarbknudson_: there's nothing partial about it, it's an internal move of our data18:24
notmorganjust try and avoid leaking info for un-implemented things to deployers/end-users18:24
notmorganthats all i ask18:24
notmorganand if that is the feature in it's entirety, great18:24
rderoseseparating user identities and shadowing federated users are independent features of shadowing ldap users18:24
ayoungWe're not going to get this all done, are we?18:25
marekdrderose: how shadow users were advertised in Tokio was I think much more complicated  stuff.18:25
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marekdrderose: that's why i am asking18:25
dolphmmarekd: the benefits are big18:25
dolphmmarekd: and the mental model is substantially different18:25
samueldmqdolphm: ++18:25
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gyeehow is it less confusing without the ldap stuff?18:25
marekddolphm: so i should only expect anything more than extra layer in the db.18:26
dstanekdolphm: rderose: will the driver contract eventually change?18:26
dolphmmarekd: just for remote identities to be shadowed as necessary (federation, ldap, maybe remote user)18:26
rderosedstanek no, the driver contract will not change18:26
stevemargyee: adding ldap users to the overall database is the same as adding federated users18:26
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stevemargyee: but adding federated is more important, and the main use case18:27
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rderosedstanek creating a new driver for shadowing users18:27
stevemargyee: since now we can assign roles to them, and more easily audit bits18:27
marekddolphm: the question i think i never got any response is whether the process of shadowing (assigning unique ids for remote users) will be handled by keystone with some smart algos or it will be somewhat leveraged for e.g operators creating mapping rules for federation?18:27
gyeestevemar, that's fine, so as long we get all the users from list users API, I was under the impression that we only get a partial list18:28
marekdif it will still be repsonsibility of ops then yes, i think it's just a db layer.18:28
stevemargyee: nope18:28
bretonwe actually have something like shadow users for ldap. It's called id_mapping_api.18:28
stevemarbreton: ++18:28
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dolphmbreton: yeah, we need to merge that back into the new schema - the new schema follows that model a bit18:28
bretonit is quite a pain in terms of performance though18:28
stevemardolphm: do you have time to review this one with me this week?18:29
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dolphmstevemar: have time this afternoon?18:29
stevemardolphm: yep18:29
dolphmstevemar: done18:29
dstanekmarekd: (i don't know the official train of thought) but i pictured this as social auth. as a user i have an account in keystone and i attach another account to it18:29
stevemari'll make time18:29
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stevemarokay, shadow users is still on the table18:29
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marekdbreton: dstanek yyy?18:29
dstanekrderose: i have to imagine that you'd be adding driver methods at some point though, right?18:29
samueldmqstevemar: tell me how to make it later :)18:30
bknudson_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279162/17/keystone/identity/core.py adds a new driver18:30
rderosedstanek new methods, but part of a new shadow users driver.  what are you thinking?18:30
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bknudson_does shadow users have a different table for each type of user? I thought there'd be one table to rule them all18:31
rderosebknudson one local identity table to rule them all18:32
marekdrderose: i think no contrllers are touched at all, for instance for federated/remote users, right?18:32
stevemarbknudson_: the "identity" table links back to "user"18:32
rderosemarekd yes, correct18:32
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ayoungis the current shadow users spec accurate?18:32
rderoseayoung it should be18:33
dstanekrderose: not sure. do you plan on getting the federated stuff in for m3?18:33
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stevemardstanek: i'd like that18:33
lbragstad#link https://github.com/openstack/keystone-specs/blob/master/specs/mitaka/shadow-users.rst18:33
rderosedstanek yes, the plan is to shadow federated users for m318:33
ayoung#link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone-specs/tree/specs/mitaka/shadow-users.rst18:33
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dolphmbreton: curious about your performance pains, btw18:33
lbragstadayoung :)18:33
dstanekstevemar: ok then i think we need to figure out what that driver should look like. i'm not fond if it's current impl18:34
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samueldmqyes, rderose said it will be fully ready for review by the end of the week, looks like we can focus on the first patch until then ?18:34
stevemardstanek: i think rderose is open to suggestions18:34
samueldmqdstanek: ^18:34
stevemarand guidance18:34
rderosedstanek stevemar absolutely, have gone back and forth on the implementation18:35
bretondolphm: #openstack-keystone18:35
stevemarlast BP that needs discussion...18:35
stevemar#topic service-provider-filtering18:35
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stevemar#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/service-provider-filters18:35
rderose* the implementation for shadowing federated users that is18:36
marekdyeah, so i noticed that davechen put some -1s18:36
stevemarmarekd: i apologize for not reviewing this18:36
rderoseseparating user identities should be ready for review18:36
stevemarmarekd: i think there have been very few reviews18:36
samueldmqI never liked extending *endpoint* filterting to *service providers*, which are different things18:36
marekdbut in general i think it's more or less complete +/- some comments from other reviewers.18:36
marekdstevemar: no worries18:36
samueldmqbut I guess everyone know that already, as I've been saying from the start18:36
marekdstevemar: and yes, not so many reviews but Dave was very helpful.18:36
marekdesp with json schema stuff18:36
stevemarmaybe we need to talk about why no one has reviewed this?18:37
stevemardo folks not like the idea?18:37
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gyeestevemar, just haven't found the time18:37
stevemarsamueldmq has voiced concerns about existing ep-filter18:37
marekdstevemar: lot's of people do that now...but it was discussed 2-3 times in the meetings18:38
samueldmqand I've been always hoding the same opinion18:38
marekdstevemar: i actually don't care that much whether it would be under /OS-FEDERATION/service_providers_filtering/ or /OS-EP-FILTER18:38
dolphmstevemar: sounds like something i should be interested in, but i have not reviewed18:38
samueldmqbecause endpoint != service provider18:38
samueldmqand configuring service provider filtering undersomething called [endpoint_filter] soudns bad to me18:39
gyeewe had this discussion awhile back, whether SP should be part of service catalog, but that ship has sailed18:39
ayoungSP is Federation, not servicea catalog term.  Keep them separate18:40
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stevemarmarekd: i'll confess that i am in no rush to get this in, i think our SP story is a bit wonky18:40
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ayounggoing to be really easy to confuse people with these terms18:40
gyeeayoung, people is treating SP as a region right now18:40
gyeeso why not part of SC18:40
samueldmqayoung: ++18:40
gyeeat least the IBM patch is making it a virtual region18:40
ayounggyee, it has nothing to do with regions or SC.18:40
gyeefrom horizon dropdown18:41
ayoungIt leads in to authorization18:41
marekdgyee: is region already formalized? because afair it was all and nothing at the same time.18:41
ayounggyee, its wrong then/   but I hadn;'t seen it18:41
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gyeeayoung, take a look at Doug Fish's patch18:41
marekdstevemar: so your only concert is namespacing?18:42
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stevemarmarekd: no, i just think how we handle SPs is a bit weird and maybe it needs more thought18:42
stevemari think SP-filtering (what you have proposed for m3) is a symptom of how we handled SPs along side the catalog18:43
gyeeayoung, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159910/18:43
samueldmqstevemar: ++18:43
marekdstevemar: so i think jamie was always repeating that only endpoints that you can reach/use with the same token should be in a catalog18:43
marekdSPs are clearly not usable without extra token18:44
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notmorganmarekd: gyee was on that, don't know if jamie was sold on it18:44
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stevemarmarekd: i'm not saying we put the SPs in the catalog18:44
marekdnotmorgan: i'd say jamie, but might be wrong.18:45
gyeeSC is a nice place for it as they also need to be "discoverable"18:45
marekdgyee: but SPs will differ from {project,user} to {project,user}18:45
notmorganlets not wedge more in the SC18:45
notmorganmake it a /service-providers call or whatever18:45
notmorganbknudson_: sure.18:46
marekdand what should be under that route?18:46
gyeeanway, like I said, that ship has sailed, so lets look ahead :)18:46
samueldmqand create a separate API/internal code for filtering it18:46
marekdsamueldmq: that was not even proposed.18:47
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gyeeunless you want to amend the spec18:47
marekdi propose we read the spec again and raise some comments (again).18:48
bknudson_the specs aren't written in stone18:48
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samueldmqmarekd: yes, and that's my concern, re-use a thing that is a separate concern18:48
stevemarmarekd: i just think we need to think about it more before we take on more code18:48
marekdi see the problem recurs and is more architecture, not implementation.18:48
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stevemarSPs are only use for k2k, I'm assuming there aren't many people using this, and they won't be upset if we don't land this for mitaka18:49
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bknudson_I don't think we ever got the auth plugin18:49
samueldmqstevemar: ++18:49
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stevemarbknudson_: we did, i believe18:49
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stevemarmarekd: i'd rather wait and see if we can't come up with a better way to do this, sorry if this comes as a surprise18:50
marekdbknudson_: i think we did18:50
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bknudson_It's not documented: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystoneauth/authentication-plugins.html ?18:50
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marekdbknudson_: that's a different story18:50
stevemarbknudson_: nothing is ever documented18:50
bknudson_so nobody can use it18:51
stevemarthat's the way we like it18:51
stevemarmarekd: we'll chat in a bit18:51
stevemar#topic bugs!18:51
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marekdstevemar: well, it does suprise me  a little bit, but i am not upset or something, so don't worry18:52
stevemarthere are a bunch of bugs open against mitaka-3: https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/mitaka-318:52
stevemarlots of good work being done on that front18:52
gyeemarekd, but you'll be sending stevemar christmas card still right? :D18:52
samueldmqsummary: 3 New, 1 Triaged, 12 In Progress18:52
stevemari've marked all new-ish bugs that have a patch as mitaka-3 candidates... some of these are not important enough to block mitaka-3, but they are actively being worked on18:53
marekdgyee: and hugs18:53
ayoungK2K is not Federation.18:54
stevemarthe only bug i'm confused about it one of the trusts ones18:54
ayoungFederation includes K2k...gah18:54
stevemarayoung: stay on topic18:54
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stevemarhenrynash: you've got 2 related to domain configs18:55
samueldmqstevemar: which one? reported by henrynash earlier today?18:55
henrynashstevemar: yep18:55
stevemarthose aren't blockers right?18:55
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henrynashsamueldmq: nope18:55
stevemarthey didn't block liberty, so i assume they won't block mitaka18:55
henrynashstevemar: nope, if I can fix them I will, but not blockers18:55
stevemarhenrynash: splendid18:55
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stevemarlbragstad: ayoung there's also https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/153976618:56
openstackLaunchpad bug 1539766 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "trust redelegation allows trustee to create a trust (with impersonation set to true) from a redelegated trust (with impersonation set to false)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Jorge Munoz (jorge-munoz)18:56
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stevemari am having trouble keeping track of this and whether or not it's valid18:56
stevemarlbragstad: also, are any of your fernet token patches blockers for mitaka-3?18:57
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samueldmqremimder: 3 minutes left18:57
stevemari know we had hoped to make fernet the default for mitaka, but i'm not so sure that's possible?18:57
lbragstadstevemar i don't think they are blockers18:57
lbragstadactually the oauth one might18:57
dolphmlbragstad: only if we want fernet to be the default?18:57
bretonfernet is still not default???18:57
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stevemarbreton: correct, uuid18:57
lbragstadbreton no - it's been in a string of patches18:57
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ayoungstevemar, I have -1 on that right now18:58
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stevemargah, we're out of time18:58
dolphmbreton: because the default is not just a philosophical choice18:58
stevemarplease review review review18:58
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stevemarwe've got 2 weeks left18:58
stevemarlet's keep the momentum going18:59
stevemarthanks everyone for their hard work (now and in advance)18:59
bknudson_if you care about policy usability -- I posted a spec to switch policy.json to YAML -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279748/ -- it's essentially a one-line change.18:59
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Feb 16 18:59:29 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)18:59
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-02-16-18.01.html18:59
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bretondolphm: yes it is!18:59
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-02-16-18.01.log.html18:59
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stevemarbknudson_: sorry :(18:59
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dolphmbreton: change the default then18:59
pleia2infra meeting time o/19:00
Zara o/19:00
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fungimordred sent his regards from jolly old england19:01
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fungibut supposedly _might_ show up19:01
Zarawe did, he has no excuse! =D19:01
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Shrewsfungi: unlikely. it's well into beer-o'clock there19:02
Clintit is indeed after noon19:02
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fungihuh, yolanda and nibalizer aren't in channel19:02
fungiwell, let's get started i guess19:03
fungi#startmeeting infra19:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 16 19:03:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'infra'19:03
fungi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:03
fungi#topic Announcements19:03
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fungi#info Due to the scheduled infra-cloud sprint, the usual IRC meeting we would hold next Tuesday (February 23) is cancelled. The next official IRC meeting for Infra will be Tuesday, March 1 at 19:00 UTC.19:03
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fungiany other important sprint-related news i should cram in here before we move along?19:04
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fungi#topic Actions from last meeting19:04
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fungi#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-02-09-19.02.html19:05
fungi"1. (none)"19:05
fungi#topic Specs approval19:05
jeblairi did not do that19:05
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fungi#info Approved "Update unified mirror spec to support AFS"19:05
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fungi#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/unified_mirrors.html19:05
AJaegerjeblair: we all did it ;)19:05
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fungi#info Approved "Maintenance change to doc publishing spec"19:05
fungi#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/doc-publishing.html19:05
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fungi(those links _should_ be correct once the post pipeline backlog clears)19:05
fungijust in time!19:06
fungi#topic GSOC proposals: what about adding infra-cloud? (yolanda)19:06
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yolandaso i arrived just in time19:06
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yolandai was reading that email that Victoria sent, and I thought that infra-cloud can be a good topic19:06
yolandabecause there can be multiple efforts associated to it. I wanted to know people's feedback19:07
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rcarrillocruzwhat's the timeline for GSOC ?19:07
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rcarrillocruzas in, when would an intern start doing stuff19:07
clarkbyolanda: the biggest considerations are likely going to be that it should be a software development project that is completable by a student in 3 months of time19:07
AJaegerthis friday AFAIK for application19:07
yolandadeadline is 19/0219:07
clarkbdo we hvae any such things for infra cloud?19:07
rcarrillocruzi ask cos imho there's not much room for people to do stuff19:07
yolandaclarkb we can isolate some task19:07
greghaynesThat is for organizations to submit a proposal, correct?19:08
rcarrillocruzthere may be once infra-cloud works19:08
fungialso, gsoc, as for outreachy, needs a clearly-defined scope. we'd need to pick a specific task or set of tasks to provide t the intern if selected19:08
greghaynesthat deadline19:08
rcarrillocruzand we can talk about other topics to improve it19:08
crinkleit will be hard to get an intern up to speed and given a specific project in three months19:08
rcarrillocruzha, monitoring, whatnot19:08
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timrcMoar metrics.19:08
pabelangerIs there a list of things currently that need help with, both GSOC and not?  I know last time it was the mysql migration, but am still interested to get more involved with infracloud.19:08
yolandaso not infra-cloud as a topic, but some sub-task related with it19:08
greghaynesI think for GSoC you do not necessarially need a clearly defined task - it is really up to the organization on how they want to do it, but it is totally valid for the mentee to assist with defining the task19:08
crinkleit's been hard just getting our existing team up to speed and in a good position to make contributions19:09
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fungilike, the last outreachy we did was the codesearch.o.o deployment. it was a pretty isolated scope of work and i wrote a spec for it in advance outlining what the mentor would be expected to work through19:09
yolandaor yes, if infra needs more topics. I saw the wiki and nothing was proposed from infra, so there can be other things as well19:09
cody-somervillere: GSOC, something they can continue to work on after the summer would probably be beneficial. Something they can also point to employers is especially valuable.19:09
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fungier, what the intern would be expected to work through19:09
clarkbgreghaynes: I think we should have at least some canned ideas that are acceptabel19:10
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greghaynesclarkb: totally19:10
greghaynesI am just trying to make it known that in GSoC its our discretion, basically19:10
greghaynesand there are orgs which do both things19:10
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fungijust coming up to speed with our code-review-based workflow is rather a lot to expect out of a college student in the timespan provided for these internships19:10
pleia2crinkle: I agree, infra-cloud is a big thing, so unless the tasks are specifically isolated and don't require knowledge of the whole infra-cloud setup, I think it would be hard19:10
pleia2and I'm not sure that's an achievable scope19:11
yolandai was thinking in some sub-tasks like monitoring, inventory management , logging19:11
yolandasome of the topics that are listed on the mitaka etherpad19:11
pabelangerThere is always generic puppet work that could work. Like updating modules for example19:11
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rcarrillocruzi think we are not at a stage right now where we can give tasks to people till we stabilize/make it work19:11
greghaynesyolanda: Has there been any talk with the larger openstack community about the openstack org proposal?19:11
rcarrillocruzso it depeends on when the mentees really start19:11
greghaynesIIRC dims has done the proposal in the past19:11
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fungithough again, you'd need to have the solution designed and planned. easily half the internship is going to be community/toolset learning curve19:12
yolandagreghaynes what i know is from the wiki and the email that Victoria sent asking for help19:12
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greghaynesah, ok19:12
fungiso for the rest of teh effort, they need some pretty clearly laid out step-by-step instructions on what you want built/implemented/whatever19:12
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yolandafungi, problem i see to do that, is the deadline. It's on 19/02 so we are short of time to write something solid19:13
pleia2fungi: nods19:13
yolandaapart from that, are there other infra efforts that can be candidates for gsoc?19:13
fungii think a reasonable scope is to take some task that one of us would spend a couple days solid putting together. for a new intern. getting to the point that can be done and then working through it even with clear instructions is going to be the entirety of the allotted timeframe for the internship19:13
zaroyolanda: you might want to talk to zxiiro, i think his interns are 3 months as well and he got them pretty prodcutive on jjb and possibily other things.19:14
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rcarrillocruzi honestly think puppet openstack ci would be good for gsoc19:14
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greghaynesSo this is an area where GSoC might work in our favor - the students are supposed to work up a proposal and mentors/orgs are supposed to work with them on making that well defined, so as long as we can define the scope of potential projects well enough I think we can leave defining details until later19:14
rcarrillocruzi see it's in need of some love19:14
fungircarrillocruz: what exactly with puppet-openstackci?19:14
rcarrillocruz'add gerrit'19:14
rcarrillocruzi mean19:14
rcarrillocruzthere are specifics bits19:14
rcarrillocruzthat are missing19:14
rcarrillocruzand are clearly defined19:15
zarothat's a really good project.19:15
zxiiroyolanda: yup. I have another intern this coming summer to work on JJB19:15
rcarrillocruzi just checked today and i see gerrit and other stuff missing19:15
rcarrillocruzand it's well defined19:15
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fungiyep, that might be doable. adding gerrit to puppet-openstackci is fairly well-defined in scope (if maybe slightly ambitious)19:15
rcarrillocruzand won't need a superhigh steep learning curve compared to infracloud19:15
rcarrillocruznod, so rather than 'implement the missing bits'19:15
rcarrillocruzwe could say 'implement gerrit, if possible implemented foo component'19:16
zxiiroyolanda: my advice is the project shouldn't be too difficult. 3 months isn't really a lot of time to do anything major, unless the student is especially keen.19:16
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rcarrillocruzi'm totally cool helping that out as mentor fungi19:16
clarkbI would also expect htat config mgmty things aren't that desireable19:16
yolandazxiiro yes, i agree. I've been helping with mentorship as well, and the onboarding process is complicated19:16
clarkbI am going to guess that projects that involve writing what is generally considered code will be more desireable19:17
rcarrillocruzclarkb: who knows, maybe htere's people loving puppet out there :D19:17
clarkbshade maybe etc19:17
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pleia2clarkb: there is certainly a steep learning curve there too19:17
greghaynesYea, this is my feeling as well. Typical projects are around software development.19:17
fungi#info rcarrillocruz willing to mentor an intern to add gerrit support to puppet-openstackci19:17
clarkba zuul feature19:17
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clarkbnodepool feature and so on19:17
zaropuppet not code?19:17
greghaynesI am trying hard to avoid that topic...19:17
yolandaclarkb i have to agree with that. I've had a pair of mentees and when i was proposing config management it was not good for them. They normally prefered to code with python, javascript19:18
greghaynesI wouldnt say "dont even try", I am just commenting on what I have seen out there19:18
zxiiroit's too bad GSoC must be a code project. I think documentation would be a great project.19:18
greghayneszxiiro: Yea, that is a common complaint :(19:18
jeblairi think the codesearch project went really well19:18
zxiirosome of the other mentoring programs allow none code contributions19:18
zarowould be nice to do puppet on 1st internship then code on 2nd one.19:19
jeblairthat was outreachy though, right?19:19
fungi(formerly gnome opw)19:19
jeblairso not the same restrictions19:19
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fungiit seems a bit more open (and also decidedly non-google in nature)19:20
fungiactual open community organizing the program rather than closed, secretive corporation with own agendas19:20
greghaynesIMO any program which can potentially get more people involved is a win19:21
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greghaynesso, why not both :)19:21
pleia2I'm mentored out19:21
fungiokay, well that was some excellent brainstorming, i don't want to lose the entire meeting to this but does someone want to summarize? maybe interested mentors sign up per vkmc's call for help, or at least continue working out options on the infra ml first?19:21
fungigreghaynes: certainly, i'm not opposed to either, it's just that outreachy seems a little more in touch with free software than gsoc19:22
yolandai think mailing list is a good idea. We have time until friday19:22
timrcpleia2: lol19:22
jeblairit seems like we have more potential options for outreachy19:22
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jeblairat the moment, at least19:22
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rcarrillocruzfungi: wfm19:23
fungiyeah, so maybe we save more codey-type-things for gsoc and spend our more general work options on outreachy when it comes around again19:23
fungior something like that19:23
fungi#topic CentOS / Fedora AFS mirror hacking request (pabelanger)19:23
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timrcWe should just have someone add -y to everything... zuuly? Much better19:23
pabelangertalked a little about this with mordred and jeblair last week19:24
fungi[afs everywhere]19:24
pabelangerjust wanted to see what is needed from myside to start hacking on afs?19:24
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fungiprobably start with a spec?19:24
jeblairfungi: good thing it's a global filesystem19:24
pabelangerI have local sync scripts, but don't have AFS setup locally19:24
fungijeblair: touché19:24
pabelangerfungi: Oh, didn't think we need new specs for each distro19:25
pabelangerbut I can add that19:25
jeblairwell, there's no reason this needs to be particularly complicated19:25
fungimaybe not19:25
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fungiit's possible the wording in the unified mirrors spec is sufficient to cover our needs on this19:25
fungiat a minimum, you likely want to copy most of what's being done for the apt mirrors19:25
fungibut it sounded like instead of reprepro it's just rsync for rpm mirrors?19:26
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pabelangerYup, I think it is good shape locally, but things like using k5start are not being tested atm19:26
jeblairpabelanger: well, if you think it's mostly there, we can just put it into production and see what breaks :)19:26
fungiyeah, are there changes proposed to implement it yet?19:26
jeblairwrapping a command in k5start isn't too hard19:26
fungiwe already have several k5start use examples at this point19:26
pabelangerokay, I am fine with that. As long as people know it is untested19:27
fungipartly untested additions of new services like this are understandable19:27
jeblairyeah, it'll be on its own volume and shouldn't interfere with anything else19:27
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pabelangerokay, so I'll clean up the scripts and get a review up19:27
fungiuntested major changes to existing services/systems are slightly harder to stomach19:27
jeblairso i don't think we have to get it perfect before landing it19:27
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jeblairan infra-root who isn't me should sign up for volume and service principal creation19:28
jeblairand i should back that person up19:28
fungii'm willing, though my bandwidth is pretty terrible at the moment so it might happen faster if someone else volunteers19:28
jeblairfungi: ++bindep :)19:28
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fungi(also part of being ptl is that i'm supposed to learn to stop volunteering to do everything myself!)19:29
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jeblairwell, if no one steps up, i'm going to use random.choice().  :)19:30
fungi*chirp* *chirp* how did that cricket get into an irc channel?19:30
Clintbrute force19:31
jeblairpleia2: you win!19:31
pleia2ok :)19:31
fungishe didn't even protest19:32
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fungipabelanger: so once your changes are close to being ready, reach out to pleia2. maybe after she's done being our beast of burden for the infra-cloud sprint19:32
pabelangerfungi: roger19:32
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fungiany other questions on the rpm mirroring topic?19:33
pabelangerno sir19:33
* fungi could get used to being called "sir"19:33
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fungiyou didn't even add "you're making a scene"19:33
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fungi#topic Serving REST API docs (annegentle)19:34
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/27648419:34
fungi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086467.html19:34
annegentleI updated Friday to clarify more for jhesketh and others in the same boat19:34
fungihaven't seen jhesketh pop up in meeting today, for his sake i hope he's still asleep19:35
annegentleheh srsly19:35
annegentlemaybe mordred had a chance to review19:36
* annegentle says hopefully19:36
annegentlehere for Qs if you need me19:36
fungihe's also not in meeting today, using "travel" as an excuse or something ;)19:36
annegentledat happens19:36
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fungibut anyway, it looks like a pretty well fleshed out spec, so hopefully we can get a few more eyes on it19:36
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jeblairwasn't there some talk about not needing a running server because it's basically just serving json files that don't really change (very often)?19:37
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annegentlejeblair: they could change as often as WADL19:38
annegentlejeblair: basically JSON as doc source19:38
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annegentlejeblair: it's not only request and response JSON. it's JSON that describes the API19:38
jeblairright, but they change when the api changes, which is not moment to moment19:38
annegentlejeblair: except for the hundreds of bugs existing in the WADLs?19:39
jeblairi think serving static files is the cool new thing and i don't want us to be behind the times :)19:39
fungiit sounded like there were two things the docs team wanted: a way to serve api reference details generated by a tool (that could in theory be static), and then a solution for interactive api examples (which would need its own service but could in theory be hosted separately and stitched together via a proxy)19:39
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annegentlefungi: yes, this spec is only for the former for now19:39
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jeblairwe should probably point mordred at the spec, since i think he's looked into this some19:41
annegentlejeblair: yeah19:41
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annegentleI would like an end date for a decision, because we'll need to double-down on the static site work if we can't get this implemented this release...19:42
fungiand other than that i guess we need to make sure it integrates sufficiently with the updated publishing spec being finalized at https://review.openstack.org/27648219:43
jeblairannegentle: yeah, my vague recollection was basically that the json that swagger generates ought to be able to be generated each time the api changes and hosted statically, rather than needing a running service.  but that's where everything gets fuzzy and i shouldn't take up more time in the meeting.19:43
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annegentlejeblair: sure want mordred's take on this spec as a phase one then so I can get to that awesome state19:44
annegentlefungi: yeah integration I basically ignore in the spec.19:44
fungii do recall that it ends up being an annotated interactive api that we then need the job to serve locally and connect to, dump the results of querying it, and then feed that into a publication solution19:44
jeblairi guess, to try to bring it on topic -- if i'm describing something that has been considered and discarded, would probably be good to have it in the alternatives19:44
annegentlejeblair: yep good point. I'll see what I can find out.19:45
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jeblairfungi: that seems feasible19:45
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fungialso on a purely non-content note, 276484 needs to update the infra-specs index to add an entry for itself to the approved list19:46
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annegentlefungi: okie19:46
fungii just tried to view the draft rendering and realized it's not indexed19:46
fungieasy to overlook19:46
jeblairoh, yeah, we don't do the auto-index because of $important_reasons19:46
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jeblair(i think url permanence was one of them)19:47
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fungii apologize for not finding time to read this spec yet, so don't have a lot of good feedback and am not in a position to make any detailed implementation recommendations in meeting. it sounds like the two core reviewers who had been looking at it are through circumstance not available today19:48
annegentlecarry on with other agenda items then, I'm good19:48
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jeblairi think it's great getting this written down though19:49
jeblairannegentle: thanks :)19:49
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annegentlejeblair: sure19:49
fungiso anyway, we should probably continue discussion on the review itself for now, and can punt to re-discussing in the march 1 meeting if necessary (next week the meeting is on hiatus for our infra-cloud sprint)19:49
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fungithanks annegentle for putting that together!19:49
annegentleok, that gives me a date too which we'll keep in mind for next steps19:49
fungi#topic Open discussion19:50
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pleia2we have our infra-cloud sprint coming up in a few days :)19:50
fungilight agenda, so we have 10 minutes for whatever19:50
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crinklehiya, to try to answer the question "I want to help with infra-cloud but I don't know where to start" I started working on https://github.com/cmurphy/infracloud-development19:50
fungipleia2: yes! thanks for putting the sprint together19:50
pleia2let me know if you have any questions about where to go or anything, everything should be in the wiki19:50
crinklehoping it can help people do reviews and make changes19:50
pleia2#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/InfraMitakaSprint19:50
craigeThanks crinkle19:50
pleia2I've never been there either, so it should be interesting :)19:51
ianwi have a bunch of patches out for installing d-i-b from git on nodepool.  does anyone have opinions on this?  i might have to turn it into a spec, because the reviews didn't get consensus19:51
fungicrinkle: ooh, that looks like an excellent intro19:51
Clintcrinkle: neat19:51
pabelangercrinkle: thanks, bookmarking19:51
zarodo we have any update on maniphest migration?  is that still gonna happen?19:51
crinkleif people think it's useful I could potentially move it to an examples/ dir in the puppet-infracloud module19:51
craigeI've been stymied by conferences (LCA) and the HP cloud transition.19:52
pabelangerAlso, just a reminder. We have atleast 2 -infra specific talks for Austin, 7578 and 7337 if you are interested in voting.  Additionally, if others have submitted something, Please send them this way19:52
rcarrillocruzoh yeah19:53
rcarrillocruzgood call19:53
rcarrillocruzi have not voted19:53
rcarrillocruzwill check them out, thx19:53
craigethere's only one issue outstanding from my perspective zaro and patches that need reviews.19:53
fungipabelanger: in fact there are a ton of infra-specific talks proposed, though those are definitely the front-runners ;)19:53
zarocraige: topic?19:54
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fungizaro: as defined at http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/maniphest.html#gerrit-topic19:54
craigeUgh, Maniphest19:54
zarothanks, will take a look19:55
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craigeautocorrect fails.19:56
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fungilooks like we've actually exhausted open discussion as well, so i'll end this a couple minutes early for a change19:58
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fungithanks everybody!19:58
AJaegerthanks, fungi!19:58
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rcarrillocruzthanks, ttyl19:58
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fungihope to see many of you in colorado next week!19:58
Clintwhere it will be nice and warm19:58
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jeblairClint: looks to me like it'll be downright cold20:01
Clintjeblair: it was 3°F here this weekend20:01
Clinteverything is relative20:02
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fungitc meeting cancelled today?20:04
fungii probably missed the announcement20:04
edleafethought that flaper87 was going to run it20:05
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dhellmannI think we were going to see if there was quorum20:05
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annegentleI think the latest note to the -tc mailing list said to vote on stuff and reconvene later.20:06
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edleafeok, then - who on the TC is here?20:06
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fungii think that cricket sneaked in during the infra team meeting20:12
fungiheard it a few times last hour20:12
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