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| lennyb_ | #startmeeting third-party | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 16 08:00:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lennyb_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:00 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 16 12:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 12:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 12:00 |
| jichen | o/ | 12:00 |
| gmann_ | hi | 12:00 |
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| alex_xu | super quite recently | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | I guess due to ops meetup? | 12:01 |
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| cdent | o/ | 12:01 |
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| cdent | February is a dreary month in the norther hemisphere... | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | For the concept doc, all the existed patch already merged | 12:02 |
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| alex_xu | cdent: ok... | 12:03 |
| cdent | make people tired and quite :) | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | cdent: :) | 12:03 |
| gmann_ | :) | 12:03 |
| jichen | :) | 12:04 |
| alex_xu | I remember johnthetubaguy already closed the concept doc bp, but I think people still can free feel to add more doc | 12:04 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: +1, nice work | 12:04 |
| alex_xu | #topic API futures - patches for approved specs | 12:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API futures - patches for approved specs (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:04 | |
| alex_xu | any patches we want to discussion? | 12:04 |
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| alex_xu | For the allow server_id param as DB index | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | agree with gmann_ and sdague should check ec2 first | 12:05 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: yea at first glance i grep into ec2 repo, so there their use uuid | 12:06 |
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| alex_xu | if ec2 didn't depend on that, I think we can remove that totally and without microversion, as there isn't a way to get that 'id' from nova api | 12:06 |
| sdague | o/ | 12:06 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: cool, thanks | 12:06 |
| gmann_ | but we need to completely check their usage from external API too | 12:06 |
| sdague | it might be an some extended response | 12:07 |
| sdague | I though that's what 2.4 was all about | 12:07 |
| alex_xu | oops, I may only check the 2.1 | 12:07 |
| sdague | that being said, it's not as easy to remove as you think, the get_id assumes either numeric or uuid at a very early stage in the code | 12:07 |
| gmann_ | sdague: you mean 2.3 | 12:08 |
| sdague | gmann_: yeh, 2.3 | 12:08 |
| sdague | it was one of the first microversions | 12:08 |
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| gmann_ | yea | 12:08 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/doc/api_samples/os-extended-server-attributes/v2.3/server-get-resp.json | 12:10 |
| alex_xu | I didn't find out one field for that id | 12:10 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: what is 'get_id' point to? | 12:11 |
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| gmann_ | i also remember we do not put that in response | 12:12 |
| gmann_ | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/views/servers.py#L107 | 12:12 |
| alex_xu | but it still worth for checking to find out why ec2 needn't that for now | 12:13 |
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| gmann_ | yea | 12:13 |
| sdague | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/dbdf27021cc23bf8cec8d3f51fa03c6dac5da53a/nova/compute/api.py#L1939 | 12:14 |
| sdague | that's where pretty deep in the compute api we go a lot of different directions | 12:14 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: you mean there may have code still use compute_api.get with id in nova code? | 12:15 |
| sdague | yes | 12:15 |
| sdague | because this is pretty deep in the code, the fallout could be a pretty big deal to unwind | 12:16 |
| alex_xu | ok, let's double check it | 12:16 |
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| sdague | I consider this a really low priority issue to address | 12:16 |
| jichen | yeah, I did a quick check on this, network related functions used it | 12:16 |
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| alex_xu | yes | 12:16 |
| jichen | +1 | 12:16 |
| alex_xu | it didn't hurt anything | 12:16 |
| gmann_ | sdague: yea, we can do later.+1 | 12:16 |
| jichen | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1522536 | 12:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522536 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "500 error returned from server GET by numeric id" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sriteja (sriteja-alapati) | 12:16 |
| jichen | so this bug should be invalid ?Just saw it | 12:17 |
| sdague | jichen: that's a little different | 12:17 |
| sdague | because we're getting a 500 | 12:17 |
| jichen | sdague: yeah, actually I also got 500 when I did test | 12:17 |
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| sdague | I think that's just because we're not checking if the instance is really found | 12:18 |
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| gmann_ | sdague: yea from cache | 12:19 |
| jichen | ok | 12:19 |
| sdague | anyway, that's a real bug to be fixed, and I think it's because something is not entirely safe in the db fetch | 12:19 |
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| alex_xu | I guess it due to we save the instance into the case with uuid, not the id? | 12:20 |
| sdague | jichen: I'd start with a new test case in tree for that | 12:20 |
| jichen | sdague: ok, will take a look ,thx | 12:20 |
| sdague | no, I think it's an assumption in the code that get_by_id isn't going to fail on a context check | 12:20 |
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| alex_xu | ok | 12:21 |
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| alex_xu | ok, I think we are done this problem, anymore want to bring up? | 12:22 |
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| alex_xu | if no, let's jump to open | 12:23 |
| alex_xu | #topic open | 12:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:24 | |
| alex_xu | let's talk about newton ideas? | 12:24 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: can we discuss tempest microversion before that | 12:24 |
| alex_xu | unfortunately johnthetubaguy and ken'ichi isn't here today | 12:25 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: sure | 12:25 |
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| gmann_ | sdague: as discussed, i submitted patch for using fixture for microversion setting | 12:25 |
| gmann_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279430/ | 12:25 |
| gmann_ | if you can have look | 12:25 |
| sdague | gmann_: ok, cool. I'll look today | 12:25 |
| sdague | mtreinish is proposing that tempest-lib spins back into tempest | 12:26 |
| gmann_ | sdague: Thanks. | 12:26 |
| gmann_ | sdague: yea | 12:26 |
| sdague | that will make some of this easier | 12:26 |
| gmann_ | sdague: yea that will be really helpful for miceroversion testing | 12:26 |
| gmann_ | sdague: m also almost +2 on that patch | 12:26 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: sdague, a question, which microversion we will test in the tempest? | 12:27 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: All but with specific tests for that microversion | 12:27 |
| sdague | right, what gmann_ said | 12:27 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: ok, got it, thanks | 12:27 |
| sdague | so for projects that need specific microversions tested we'll have dedicated tests for those (especially ones with behavior changes) | 12:28 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: example v2,2 - https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/api/compute/keypairs/test_keypairs_v22.py | 12:28 |
| alex_xu | we probably late on lastest version a lot | 12:28 |
| gmann_ | sdague: yea | 12:28 |
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| alex_xu | gmann_: cool | 12:29 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: yea, at end we would like to run a experimental job running with latest to check any version tests missing etc. | 12:29 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: that's all on this, we can move to next topic | 12:31 |
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| alex_xu | sorry for unstable network... | 12:31 |
| alex_xu | sdague: do you want to talk about newtown idea today? | 12:32 |
| alex_xu | or just wait johnthetubaguy and ken'ichi at here someday | 12:33 |
| sdague | let's postpone until next week when they are back | 12:33 |
| sdague | we're not really in a rush on it | 12:33 |
| alex_xu | ok | 12:33 |
| gmann_ | yea, Ken'ichi shifted to USA last week | 12:33 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: ah, that's cool | 12:33 |
| alex_xu | I can't catch him in my working time anymore :( | 12:34 |
| gmann_ | :), me too | 12:34 |
| alex_xu | so...no more from today, anyone have more bring up today? | 12:34 |
| alex_xu | s/no more from/no more from me/... | 12:34 |
| gmann_ | nothing from my side | 12:35 |
| alex_xu | 3... | 12:35 |
| sdague | no, I'm good for now | 12:35 |
| alex_xu | 0.. | 12:35 |
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| alex_xu | ok, let's close the meeting early today, thanks all! | 12:35 |
| jichen | thanks | 12:35 |
| gmann_ | Thanks all | 12:35 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 12:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 16 12:35:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-02-16-12.00.html | 12:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-02-16-12.00.txt | 12:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-02-16-12.00.log.html | 12:35 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 16 13:00:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
| Qiming | hello | 13:00 |
| haiwei | hi | 13:00 |
| yanyanhu | hi | 13:00 |
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| elynn | hi | 13:01 |
| lixinhui_ | hi | 13:01 |
| Qiming | hi, pls check meeting agenda and see if you have things to add: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda | 13:01 |
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| Qiming | welcome back, guys, hope you all have enjoyed a pleasant vacation, :) | 13:01 |
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| yanyanhu | thanks, you too :) | 13:02 |
| Qiming | #topic Mitaka work items | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-mitaka-workitems | 13:02 |
| haiwei | yes, you four | 13:02 |
| Qiming | API revision | 13:03 |
| Qiming | don't think we have progress on it, or we can make them into M release | 13:03 |
| Qiming | so ... maybe we should move them back to the TODO.rst | 13:04 |
| Qiming | Heat resource type | 13:04 |
| Qiming | ethan? | 13:04 |
| elynn | in progress | 13:04 |
| elynn | codes are submitted | 13:04 |
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| elynn | waiting review | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | I have some problems regarding the logics you used for testing action completion | 13:05 |
| elynn | Can't access to gerrit now... | 13:05 |
| Qiming | there might be some cleaner ways to do that | 13:05 |
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| elynn | I will check that later. | 13:05 |
| Qiming | good luck, :) | 13:05 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:06 |
| elynn | You mean move them to senlin plugin? | 13:06 |
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| Qiming | maybe you can paste the links to the related patches into the etherpad | 13:06 |
| Qiming | yes, it could be a routine on senlin plugin | 13:06 |
| Qiming | check something (action) has completed | 13:07 |
| elynn | Will do after my network back to normal... | 13:07 |
| Qiming | great | 13:07 |
| Qiming | also, some checkings are better offloaded to some threads | 13:07 |
| elynn | I reply you, it's not that easy... I reply you in that patch, I will have a look if I can move them to senlin plugin. | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | I'm not quite sure I have a good understanding on doing things asynchronously in Heat | 13:08 |
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| Qiming | There might be some ways ... need some homework on that | 13:08 |
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| elynn | I think some of them are asynchronously in my codes. | 13:08 |
| Qiming | great | 13:09 |
| elynn | Can you be more specific? | 13:09 |
| Qiming | have to look at the code to be more specific | 13:09 |
| Qiming | :) | 13:09 |
| elynn | ok :) | 13:09 |
| Qiming | testing | 13:09 |
| Qiming | cannot recall why we have oslo.messaging scalability there | 13:10 |
| Qiming | someone has got a higher memory capacity? | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | also have no idea | 13:10 |
| Qiming | okay, two overflowed | 13:10 |
| elynn | Not sure about that... | 13:10 |
| Qiming | 3 | 13:11 |
| haiwei | neither | 13:11 |
| lixinhui_ | seems xujun mentioned about scalability test | 13:11 |
| Qiming | I could be from Junwei Liu's talk during our meetup | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | oh, maybe about a discussion in midcycle meeting | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:11 |
| lixinhui_ | but not sure what we can do on this | 13:11 |
| Qiming | right ... | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | about API service stop responding request in some cases | 13:11 |
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| Qiming | maybe need to check with xujun and see if there are resources from their side working on this | 13:12 |
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| lixinhui_ | good idea | 13:12 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, you mean senlin API? | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | yes, I think this is job is about best practise | 13:12 |
| lixinhui_ | if anything need more testing, Bran_W can help too | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes | 13:12 |
| elynn | Seems you told him to increase workers to see if that can be solved? | 13:12 |
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| yanyanhu | e.g. when creating a cluster consists of 500 nodes | 13:12 |
| Qiming | lixinhui_, please do | 13:13 |
| lixinhui_ | okay, Qming | 13:13 |
| Qiming | we need to know the limits | 13:13 |
| Qiming | with both cloud backends, the usual one, and the faked one | 13:13 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, yes, increasing worker is most direct solution | 13:13 |
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| yanyanhu | but still need more evaluation | 13:14 |
| lixinhui_ | Bran_w has some data already, will send all the results for review and suggestion. | 13:14 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu just added some more items? | 13:14 |
| Qiming | COOOL | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes. about test | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu | I'm now working on completing functional test for cluster/node | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | maybe those are the samething bran has already started? | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu | to add test cases for cluster add/del node, cluster update | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | oh, you mean stress test? | 13:15 |
| Qiming | right, those are yours | 13:15 |
| Qiming | yes, stress tests | 13:15 |
| lixinhui_ | Yes, Bran_w focus on Stress tests | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | actually my plan is not just doing stress test :) | 13:15 |
| Qiming | I'm putting xinhui's name under that item | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | I'm thinking whether we need to add a gate job for it :) | 13:16 |
| Qiming | gate job for stress test? | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | to test the scalability for some important changes | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:16 |
| elynn | I remember there's a project in community can help us do stress test? | 13:16 |
| Qiming | emm ... don't think that's a good idea, :) | 13:16 |
| elynn | rally? | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | I have got clear idea how to do this | 13:17 |
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| lixinhui_ | okay, Qiming, yanyahu, let me know if anywhere need labor work | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | yea, so we need more discussion here:) | 13:17 |
| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:17 |
| Qiming | great if you have already got a good idea | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | xinhui, will talk more with you about this issue | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | lets think it together | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | my concern is resources at gate are very precious ones | 13:18 |
| lixinhui_ | okay :) | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, understand | 13:18 |
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| yanyanhu | so maybe a manually trigger one. Or just a test tool in senlin source tree | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | also, need a clear design to ensure that we are stressing the correct target | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | absolutely | 13:19 |
| Qiming | stress testing a cluster of 1000 m1.huge nova servers sounds crazy | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | haha | 13:19 |
| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | sure | 13:19 |
| Qiming | it is not gonna yielding any useful insights | 13:19 |
| Qiming | how about we bring bran into this | 13:20 |
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| lixinhui_ | Yes, Qiming | 13:20 |
| lixinhui_ | please | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | great | 13:20 |
| haiwei | who is bran? | 13:21 |
| Qiming | I believe VMware has a lot interests in seeing the scalability report | 13:21 |
| Liuqing | cool | 13:21 |
| haiwei | VMware guy? | 13:21 |
| Qiming | bran is lixinhui_ 's assistant, you can think of him that way | 13:21 |
| lixinhui_ | Yes, Haiwei | 13:21 |
| haiwei | niubility | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | I believe built stress test tool and test results are very useful for user who want to manage large scale cluster using Senlin | 13:21 |
| Qiming | technical assistant | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | s/built/builtin | 13:22 |
| Qiming | absolutely | 13:22 |
| lixinhui_ | just trying to get more resource to help senlin | 13:22 |
| Liuqing | haha Qiming:) | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | although maybe it's just prototype or an example | 13:22 |
| lixinhui_ | and bring senlin into VMware market engagement | 13:22 |
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| Qiming | move on? | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:23 |
| lixinhui_ | ok | 13:23 |
| haiwei | it's better so | 13:23 |
| Qiming | oh, functional test for failure scenarios | 13:23 |
| Qiming | I think that sounds a tempest job | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | not sure how to do this | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | yea, maybe not use existing functional test | 13:24 |
| Qiming | currently, we are only testing the 'correct' execution paths | 13:24 |
| Qiming | need to test all weird inputs and make sure api and engine always behave as designed | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | that will be a huge effort | 13:25 |
| yanyanhu | yes, and I think we need a design for 'fault injection' | 13:25 |
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| yanyanhu | actually, the functional test for lock breaker also faces similar problem | 13:25 |
| Qiming | em ... that would be cool | 13:25 |
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| yanyanhu | yep :) | 13:26 |
| Qiming | but before that, I really hope we have a good idea about some typical cases | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | agree | 13:26 |
| Qiming | say, creating a cluster of 100 nodes, but only first 80 were successful | 13:26 |
| Qiming | scaling-in by 10 nodes, but we only managed to remove 3 nodes ... | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:27 |
| Qiming | these are more realistic challenges | 13:28 |
| lixinhui_ | very import for industry level quality | 13:28 |
| Qiming | maybe add a TODO item for this? | 13:28 |
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| lixinhui_ | good idea | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | yes, I think so | 13:28 |
| elynn | yes, that would be good! | 13:29 |
| Qiming | hopefully, we can get something done before M release | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | maybe not only Senlin need this kind of tool/design :) | 13:29 |
| lixinhui_ | is there sad path testing already in other projects? | 13:29 |
| Qiming | document the rest as 'known issues', haha | 13:29 |
| lixinhui_ | like HEAT | 13:29 |
| lixinhui_ | okay | 13:30 |
| Qiming | don't know if any project is doing defensive programming | 13:30 |
| Qiming | off topic now | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:30 |
| lixinhui_ | okay | 13:30 |
| Qiming | #action Qiming to add TODO item about testing typical failure scenarios | 13:31 |
| elynn | Heat has a internal resource, it can fake it's status. you can set to failed to success. | 13:31 |
| Qiming | good idea | 13:31 |
| elynn | in that way heat can test failure cases. | 13:31 |
| Qiming | in senlin we can have some fake actions | 13:31 |
| Qiming | it may and may not succeed | 13:31 |
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| yanyanhu | do we need to expose API/rpc interface for it? | 13:32 |
| Qiming | oh, no | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | it is a testing support | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | so we need to consider how to trigger it | 13:32 |
| Qiming | yep | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | let's think of it offline | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | btw, should we create a senlin-specs project? | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | not that necessary I think | 13:34 |
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| yanyanhu | in this cycle | 13:34 |
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| Qiming | or we can have a specs dir in tree | 13:34 |
| elynn | maybe a folder in senlin repo is enough? | 13:34 |
| Qiming | doc/specs ? | 13:34 |
| Qiming | there we can discuss designs like this asynchronously | 13:35 |
| haiwei | yes, should have that kind of thing | 13:35 |
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| yanyanhu | sounds good | 13:35 |
| haiwei | though we didn't use it at all | 13:35 |
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| lixinhui_ | I just wrote spec for nova | 13:36 |
| lixinhui_ | and think we will need that when allow others to extend senlin | 13:36 |
| lixinhui_ | according to my limited experience | 13:36 |
| Qiming | let's practice a small scale specs discussion | 13:36 |
| haiwei | honestly that is the formal way | 13:36 |
| Qiming | and migrate to a dedicated project when we feel necessary | 13:36 |
| lixinhui_ | sound great start point | 13:37 |
| Qiming | so you prefer a senlin-specs project ? | 13:37 |
| lixinhui_ | not really a project at this time | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | okay | 13:38 |
| lixinhui_ | but at least something others can follow | 13:38 |
| lixinhui_ | spec dir would be good and doc seems not enough | 13:38 |
| Qiming | if we discuss things in tree | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | we can always easily migrate the outputs into design docs | 13:39 |
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| Qiming | anyway | 13:39 |
| lixinhui_ | yes | 13:39 |
| Qiming | moving on | 13:39 |
| haiwei | you mean using mailing? | 13:39 |
| Qiming | progress on health mgmt? | 13:39 |
| haiwei | ok, go on | 13:39 |
| lixinhui_ | the senlinclient change is blocked by sdk change | 13:40 |
| Qiming | yep, sadly, that's true | 13:40 |
| lixinhui_ | but I am still working on senlin and sdk side | 13:40 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:40 |
| lixinhui_ | hope to commit them into firstly then extend client once sdk problem resolved | 13:41 |
| lixinhui_ | for the semi-automation part | 13:41 |
| lixinhui_ | I will commit into some patch firstly for comments in this week | 13:41 |
| Qiming | okay, hopefully everything will gets sorted out by the end of this week at sdk side | 13:41 |
| Qiming | cool | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | and will add functional test for node check/recover | 13:41 |
| Qiming | documentation side | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | and for cluster as well after xinhui's job is done | 13:42 |
| Qiming | did a little revision to the senlin wiki | 13:42 |
| Qiming | need to work more on that | 13:42 |
| lixinhui_ | okay, yanyanhu and Qming | 13:42 |
| lixinhui_ | Yes, Qiming | 13:42 |
| Qiming | container support | 13:42 |
| Qiming | emm ... I have tried something 'last year' | 13:43 |
| haiwei | I also did something in the last few days | 13:43 |
| Qiming | I think I'm stuck by a scheduling problem | 13:43 |
| Qiming | cool | 13:43 |
| lixinhui_ | you mean last days on horse year | 13:43 |
| Qiming | when you want to create a container, you need to specify on which VM/host to start it | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:44 |
| Qiming | that becomes a huge scheduling problem | 13:44 |
| Qiming | though we can do some very naive 'placement' today | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | that's because no underlayer service helping to do a default scheduling decision | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | this could be a spec for discussion | 13:45 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, exactly | 13:45 |
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| elynn | k8s/mesos/swarm can do schedule task? | 13:45 |
| haiwei | I think if you want to create a container cluster by Senlin, you will have to do something similar to k8s and swarm | 13:45 |
| elynn | can't | 13:45 |
| Qiming | I know Haiwei has proposed a topic for the coming summit on this | 13:45 |
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| lixinhui_ | cool, haiwei | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, they can | 13:45 |
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| haiwei | an idea from Qiming | 13:46 |
| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:46 |
| haiwei | and also some magnum guys | 13:46 |
| Qiming | we need to help him getting something solid before the summit, not matter the talk is accepted or not | 13:46 |
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| Qiming | #action Haiwei to start a spec discussion about container support | 13:47 |
| Qiming | haiwei, okay? | 13:47 |
| haiwei | ok | 13:47 |
| Qiming | Receiver functional test, done? | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | we can remove this item | 13:47 |
| Qiming | omg, finally find someething to remove | 13:48 |
| lixinhui_ | haha | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:48 |
| elynn | :D | 13:48 |
| Qiming | NODE_CREATE/DELETE | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | no progress I know of | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | another diffult work | 13:48 |
| Qiming | engine status list | 13:48 |
| Qiming | done? | 13:48 |
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| elynn | seems so. | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | still minor issue there | 13:48 |
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| yanyanhu | function is ok now | 13:49 |
| elynn | yes, still have a but openning. | 13:49 |
| Qiming | don't feel shy to file a bug | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | yes, elynn has done that | 13:49 |
| Qiming | okay, last item | 13:49 |
| Qiming | sdk change | 13:49 |
| elynn | It's already filed :) I will look into it tomorrow :) | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, no hurry :) | 13:49 |
| Qiming | it was a series of disruptive change | 13:50 |
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| Qiming | almost all resources have their property name reinvented ... | 13:50 |
| Qiming | so we have to stick to 0.7.4 for senlin testing/functioning | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | em, need rework senlin driver modules | 13:50 |
| Qiming | then see if we can get a chance to catch up with 0.8.0 if that can be released next week | 13:51 |
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| Qiming | time window is very short | 13:51 |
| elynn | Seems sdk is always changing... Hope it can be stable soon. | 13:51 |
| Qiming | http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html#m-final-lib | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | will work on it if 0.8.0 can be released soon | 13:51 |
| Qiming | not this kind of changes ... sigh | 13:51 |
| Qiming | great | 13:51 |
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| yanyanhu | may need one or two days, mainly for test | 13:51 |
| Qiming | that is something just want to raise awareness in the team | 13:51 |
| Qiming | don't try clone latest sdk code for senlin development | 13:52 |
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| yanyanhu | got it | 13:52 |
| Qiming | #topic sdk issues | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | done | 13:53 |
| Qiming | #topic DB concurrency problem | 13:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DB concurrency problem (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:53 | |
| yanyanhu | it happened again? | 13:53 |
| Qiming | I think chuck has reported the db concurrency problem again | 13:53 |
| Qiming | sadly, yes | 13:53 |
| yanyanhu | ... | 13:53 |
| elynn | Is there any bug open for it? | 13:53 |
| Qiming | this time, I'm gonna monkey patch the oslo.db | 13:54 |
| Qiming | just like what mistral has todo | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu | from engine level? | 13:55 |
| Qiming | s/todo/to do | 13:55 |
| Qiming | will propose a fix tomorrow | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | or sesssion level | 13:55 |
| Qiming | engine level | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:55 |
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| Qiming | when doing get_engine, we set isolation_level to READ_COMMITTED | 13:55 |
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| yanyanhu | ok | 13:56 |
| Qiming | don't see other way out | 13:56 |
| Qiming | okay, 4 minutes for open | 13:56 |
| Qiming | #topic open discussion | 13:56 |
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| yanyanhu | no other topic from me :) | 13:56 |
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| lixinhui_ | no from me | 13:57 |
| elynn | Nope from me :) | 13:57 |
| haiwei | what do you think of k8s and docker swarm | 13:57 |
| haiwei | ok, no from me | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu | haiwei, you mean use them as backend service to manage container? | 13:58 |
| Qiming | haiwei, I am all ears to any entry level talks on k8s or docker swarm | 13:58 |
| haiwei | I mean replace them :) | 13:58 |
| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:58 |
| haiwei | sounds impossible | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | haiwei, don't think that should be the goal | 13:58 |
| yanyanhu | wow, haven't thought that before :) | 13:58 |
| Qiming | the goal should be 'openstack native way to manage container clusters' | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu | just got some experience about Mesos and glad to share it with you guys | 13:59 |
| haiwei | ok, I will think that more | 13:59 |
| Qiming | or 'make containers first class citizens on openstack' | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu | will join the discussion about container cluster | 13:59 |
| haiwei | thanks | 13:59 |
| Qiming | haiwei, be sure to start a spec or two on that | 13:59 |
| lixinhui_ | interesting, yanyanhu | 13:59 |
| Qiming | time is up | 13:59 |
| haiwei | no problem, Qiming | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui_, yes, lets talk this offline | 13:59 |
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| Qiming | thanks for joining everyone | 14:00 |
| Qiming | good night | 14:00 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 16 14:00:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-02-16-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-02-16-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-02-16-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
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| ihrachys | hi all neutrinos. I will give folks a minute before starting | 14:00 |
| ajo | ack :) | 14:00 |
| jschwarz | \o/ | 14:00 |
| hichihara | hi | 14:00 |
| ihrachys | grab your coffeee | 14:00 |
| * ajo grabs plenty of coffee | 14:00 | |
| * jschwarz has updated his calendar to make sure he doesn't miss more meetings <.< | 14:00 | |
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| ihrachys | ok. Let’s get started. | 14:01 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:01 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting networking | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 16 14:01:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:01 |
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| ihrachys | hi all | 14:01 |
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| ihrachys | I expect the meeting today to be quite short | 14:01 |
| ihrachys | let's see... | 14:01 |
| mhickey | Hi | 14:01 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 14:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | hi | 14:02 |
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| ihrachys | first thing first, we approach Mitaka-3 milestone | 14:02 |
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| ihrachys | which is the last milestone in Mitaka, if you wonder :) | 14:02 |
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| ajo | hii | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | the schedule can be found at | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086362.html | 14:02 |
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| rossella_s | hi | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | I advice everyone to become aware of it | 14:03 |
| rossella_s | and to review a lot :P | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | one thing to note is that this time release folks want to be more strict about exceptions for libraries | 14:03 |
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| ihrachys | and that means neutronclient too | 14:03 |
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| ihrachys | so, please don't leave stuff for the last day, especially if you have client pieces to merge | 14:04 |
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| ajo | yeah, there's a loophole there | 14:04 |
| ihrachys | or you may miss the release | 14:04 |
| ajo | some client pieces require the server side.. | 14:04 |
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| hichihara | client deadline is Mar 2 ;) | 14:04 |
| ajo | so dependencies are exchanged in time | 14:04 |
| ihrachys | I would say, pretty much all featureful pieces require it | 14:04 |
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| ajo | I'm not sure it works | 14:04 |
| ajo | but ok | 14:05 |
| ajo | let's run | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | we'll see | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | exceptions are always there, if you ask me | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | ok, next thing to note is: voting for summit sessions is running for awhile already | 14:05 |
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| ihrachys | and it will end tomorrow, Feb 17 | 14:05 |
| scheuran | o/ | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | so in case you haven't voted yet, it's time to do it | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's move to upcoming events we may care about | 14:06 |
| xgerman | O/ | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | as you all know, we have a midcycle in Minnesota | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | if you plan to go, please register at https://www.eventbrite.com/e/neutron-mitaka-mid-cycle-coding-sprint-tickets-21634783219 | 14:06 |
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| ihrachys | there are also some bug squashing events around the globe for Mitaka | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | one in Nuremberg | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086394.html | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | and one in Sillicon Valley | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Mitaka-BayArea | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | join them if you are around :) | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | no more announcements from anyone? | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | I guess nope. moving. | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | #topic Stable branches | 14:07 |
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| * carl_baldwin has no idea there were eventbrite tickets | 14:08 | |
| ihrachys | just wanted to give a clue about stable branches state | 14:08 |
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| ihrachys | carl_baldwin: mestery sent the invite a couple of days ago | 14:08 |
| mestery | There are | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | ok, so stable branches | 14:09 |
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| ihrachys | some of you probably noticed that kilo is broken | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | it's due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-fixtures/+bug/1542984 | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1542984 in Python Fixtures "fixtures 1.2.0 isn't compatible with testtools 2.0.0" [Undecided,New] | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | until it's fixed, nothing is mergeable | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | openstack stable team looks into it | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | so rechecks won't help for now. | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | no need to overload the gate | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | for stable/liberty, we have some sporadic failures | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | some of them suspiciously linuxbridge | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | but I need to triage logs from several jobs before starting to pull people into looking at the job | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | ok, that was purely informational. let's move on | 14:10 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Bugs | 14:10 |
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| ihrachys | mhickey: wanna update? | 14:11 |
| mhickey | sure | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: anything interesting the prev week? | 14:11 |
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| mhickey | one critical: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1543880; thanks kevinbenton | 14:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543880 in neutron "duplicated security groups in test_port_security_disable_security_group" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 14:11 |
| mhickey | some open high: | 14:12 |
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| mhickey | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1543094 | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Salvatore Orlando (salvatore-orlando) | 14:12 |
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| mhickey | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1544548 | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1544548 in neutron "DHCP: no indication in API that DHCP service is not running" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Gary Kotton (garyk) | 14:12 |
| mhickey | releeased high: | 14:12 |
| mhickey | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1542923 | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1542923 in neutron "Linuxbridge agent failed to start when bridge_mappings is given" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:12 |
| mhickey | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1543880 | 14:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543880 in neutron "duplicated security groups in test_port_security_disable_security_group" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 14:13 |
| mhickey | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1544349 | 14:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1544349 in neutron "neutron-vpnaas db migration breaks in MySQL 5.6" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Al Miller (al-miller) | 14:13 |
| mhickey | thats it. thanks to all for help! :) | 14:13 |
| ihrachys | cool. I see those assigned to seasoned folks, I believe it's under control | 14:13 |
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| ihrachys | fyi this week it's rossella_s, and next one is dasm who are on bugs | 14:14 |
| ihrachys | thanks to all volunteers | 14:14 |
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| ihrachys | let's move on | 14:14 |
| ihrachys | #topic Ongoing reviews | 14:14 |
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| ihrachys | I highly encourage reviewers to focus on deliverables scheduled for MItaka | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/mitaka-3 | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | to ease the pain of searching for the patches that correspond to the bps and bugs from the link above | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | we have the following link | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | #link https://goo.gl/Hb3vKu | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | kudos to rossella_s | 14:16 |
| ihrachys | that's gerrit dashboard with all Mitaka reviews | 14:16 |
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| rossella_s | thanks ihrachys | 14:16 |
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| rossella_s | it should be updated every day | 14:16 |
| rossella_s | I wrote to infra to find a common place where to put the link | 14:16 |
| ajo | rossella_s++ | 14:16 |
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| jschwarz | rossella_s, awesome! | 14:16 |
| ihrachys | I see a lot of blueprints still in flight. | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | some of them will probably need to move to next cycle, depending on their shape | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | so please help your PTL to get a clue whether a feature is ready for merge | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | by updating blueprint whiteboard and RFE bugs | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | and then our glorious PTL will go and scrub them based on the info | 14:18 |
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| ihrachys | I also remind that delivering a blueprint requires two people actively engaged: the implementer, and the approver | 14:18 |
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| ihrachys | to implementers: if you see your patches are stuck with no reviews, please reach your approver to see how to move forward | 14:19 |
| ihrachys | to approvers: please go thru the list of blueprints assigned to you and update whiteboards, if not already. | 14:19 |
| ihrachys | it will be of tremendous help to your PTL | 14:19 |
| ihrachys | overall, please review as much as you can so that Mitaka is juicy :_ | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | one more procedural thing | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | please be mindful when merging stuff that is not scheduled for Mitaka | 14:20 |
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| ihrachys | especially if the patch will evoke a huge number of git conflicts | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | hint: new gerrit UI shows the list of conflicting patches | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | so you can rely on it before pressing +W | 14:21 |
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| ihrachys | git conflicts are not fun | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | especially now when we had 350 jobs in queue the prev week | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | anyone wants to raise some red flag for ongoing mitaka reviews? | 14:22 |
| * ajo checks how to see conflicting patches | 14:23 | |
| ihrachys | ok I guess everyone just wants to get back asap to reviews, and coffee | 14:23 |
| ajo | oh, "Conflicts With" | 14:23 |
| ihrachys | ajo: it's in the right top corner of UI | 14:23 |
| ihrachys | right | 14:23 |
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| ajo | DB migrations will always conflict because of HEAD, I guess :) | 14:23 |
| ihrachys | #topic Docs | 14:23 |
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| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: anything you'd like to advertise? :) | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | hi | 14:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not much, really. | 14:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | still working on mitaka updates for the install guide and network guide | 14:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | nice to see quite a few contributions from neutron folks | 14:24 |
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| ihrachys | indeed | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | ok, thanks for the update Sam-I-Am | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open Discussion | 14:25 |
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| ihrachys | we have a lot of time woot! | 14:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | i do have one thing... a bug i forgot about | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1523031 | 14:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1523031 in openstack-ansible trunk "Neighbor table entry for router missing with Linux bridge + L3HA + L2 population" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | that's a problem | 14:26 |
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| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: should we raise the Importance? | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes | 14:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | the other thing is trying to fix this mtu problem | 14:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | seems like something we need to do before mitaka | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: ok I will target it to M | 14:27 |
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| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: what would be the plan for MTU for Mitaka? | 14:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | ihrachys: fix it? | 14:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we know whats wrong, its just making it work | 14:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the tl;dr - we need to get the 'calculated' mtu for each network distributed to all the components of that network such as veth pairs, bridges, etc | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: yeah :) is it just a matter of setting network_device_mtu for all intermediate devices in hybrid setup? | 14:29 |
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| ihrachys | yeah, probably not network_device_mtu but per-network, yes | 14:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Is there a bug number? | 14:30 |
| ihrachys | I guess we may fix it for M, if it's just that. is the bug targeted? what's the link" | 14:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | network_device_mtu breaks stuff in different ways | 14:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | more or less just kicks the can down the road | 14:30 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: do we have a bug number? | 14:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | carl_baldwin: there's two bugs - https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1542108 https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1542475 | 14:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1542108 in neutron "MTU concerns for the Linux bridge agent" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1542475 in neutron "MTU concerns for the Open vSwitch agent" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 14:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | exactly whats wrong and how to fix it is explained there | 14:32 |
| carl_baldwin | Sam-I-Am: thanks | 14:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | solving this once and for all is a big win for neutron | 14:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | this is a HUGE problem | 14:32 |
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| scheuran | ihrachys, I also have a short (doc related) topic regarding source format of graphics in the networking guide | 14:32 |
| jschwarz | Sam-I-Am, is this something we even hope to solve by M-3? | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: agreed. let's make it happen. I will target bugs to M. | 14:33 |
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| ihrachys | jschwarz: it may be considered a bug fix, so could probably go after M3. | 14:33 |
| jschwarz | ack | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: ok bugs are already targeted. let's talk offline on how to make it happen. we'll need Sean too. | 14:34 |
| ihrachys | scheuran: shoot | 14:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | thx | 14:34 |
| scheuran | do we have a rule how what the source format of graphics for the networking guide should be? Many of the are .graffle which you cannot edit on a linux system.. | 14:34 |
| carl_baldwin | Who is impending the mtu fix? | 14:34 |
| scheuran | I used draw.io to paint some nice graphics and uploaded the source xml | 14:34 |
| carl_baldwin | Just targeting for M won't get it done. | 14:35 |
| scheuran | but this causes troubles cause you need to exlcude every source file by hand as some xml parser will complain about it | 14:35 |
| scheuran | should it be .svg? I mean is there a rule? | 14:35 |
| carl_baldwin | Sam-I-Am: ^ | 14:35 |
| ihrachys | carl_baldwin: bugs are on Sean, but I gotta help. | 14:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | ihrachys: ack | 14:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | carl_baldwin: sean and i fixed a couple of things | 14:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | namely around path_mtu and advertise_mtu | 14:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | but we need additional discussion about the best way to make path_mtu less... obscure. | 14:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | are you at the MC next week? | 14:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Sam-I-Am: yes, I'll be the first three days. | 14:36 |
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| ihrachys | I won't be there, in case you ask me. | 14:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | carl_baldwin: we can either discuss it here real soon now and figure it out, or next week | 14:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, not here, but in -neutron | 14:37 |
| ihrachys | right | 14:37 |
| ihrachys | Sam-I-Am: do you have a comment for scheuran questions? | 14:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ihrachys: yeah... | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | scheuran: the docs folks dont care what you use to draw diagrams, as long as they conform to the standards/look and have some sort of 'open source'-ish version of the file | 14:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | i say open source-ish because it turns out there's no real open source diagram format | 14:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | svgs are very much vendor-flavored | 14:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i draw most of the diagrams for the docs and use omnigraffle because it makes me life a lot easier... so i upload both .graffle and .svg in addition to the .png or whatever | 14:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the docs team has been down this road many times and there's just too much bike shedding that prevents work from getting done | 14:40 |
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| ihrachys | scheuran: I guess that addresses the question | 14:41 |
| scheuran | ok so svg is the choice | 14:41 |
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| scheuran | thanks | 14:42 |
| ihrachys | ok, I guess that's it for today, but I will give 1 minute for anyone to raise another flag | 14:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | scheuran: for now, yeah :/ | 14:42 |
| ihrachys | ok let's call it a day | 14:43 |
| ihrachys | thanks folks! | 14:43 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 14:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 16 14:43:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-02-16-14.01.html | 14:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-02-16-14.01.txt | 14:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-02-16-14.01.log.html | 14:43 |
| yamamoto | bye | 14:43 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 14:43 |
| mhickey | thanks, bye all | 14:43 |
| hichihara | bye | 14:43 |
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| rossella_s | bye | 14:44 |
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| ajo | thanks ihrachys ! | 14:44 |
| xgerman | O/ | 14:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Sorry I'm late. I thought I still had a few minutes. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | The meeting hasn't merged yet so I'm not sure who'll be here. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_routed_networks | 15:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 16 15:05:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_routed_networks' | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | First meeting for routed networks | 15:06 |
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| hichihara | I thought the meeting was postponed | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | If nothing else, this'll help me work out any procedural bugs. | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | hichihara: No worries, I don't think we'll get to much today. | 15:06 |
| hichihara | carl_baldwin: I got it | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll keep the agenda here: | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Routed-Networks | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | The meeting times have not been merged to the irc-meetings repo yet but I expect it to soon | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Routed-Networks | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | #undo | 15:08 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0xa120d50> | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278114/5 | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | For whomever is out there who'll read this later, I'll leave a few notes... | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | Please review the specs | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225384/ | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263898/ | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | At a high level, I believe that these reflect the way that this'll be implemented. | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | It'll be good to start getting some early code up for review. See the work items section. | 15:11 |
| hichihara | nova-specs seems backlog/approved. The spec was merged once in Liberty? | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | hichihara: No, I put it there for lack of a better place. I'll check with johnthetubaguy to see if it should find a different home. | 15:11 |
| hichihara | Or "backlog/approved" just point out Newton? | 15:11 |
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| hichihara | carl_baldwin: I got it | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | In particular, please see the work items section in the first spec listed above. Please let me know if I'm missing something. | 15:12 |
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| hichihara | I will check it. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll personally feel much more comfortable working with contributors who have reviewed the spec, asked questions, made comments, and expressed interest. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | I think that's about all I have. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | hichihara: You or anyone else have any questions? | 15:15 |
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| hichihara | Do we need to fix novaclient? | 15:15 |
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| carl_baldwin | hichihara: I don't think so but I'm not certain yet. | 15:16 |
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| carl_baldwin | hichihara: The commands to boot VMs shouldn't change, I think. | 15:16 |
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| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will clean up the agenda page on the wiki for next week. | 15:16 |
| hichihara | carl_baldwin: OK. I have no question now. | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will check with Kevin and Armando about whether full blown Segment API will be needed. | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | hichihara: Thanks. | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | That's it! | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 16 15:18:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-02-16-15.05.html | 15:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-02-16-15.05.txt | 15:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-02-16-15.05.log.html | 15:18 |
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| jasondotstar | #startmeeting openstack-salt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 16 16:00:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jasondotstar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| jasondotstar | #topic roll call | 16:01 |
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| jasondotstar | o/ | 16:01 |
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| jasondotstar | ok moving on | 16:05 |
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| jasondotstar | #topic Introduction | 16:06 |
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| jasondotstar | This meeting for the openstack-salt team | 16:06 |
| jasondotstar | if you're interested in contributing to the discussion, please join #openstack-salt | 16:06 |
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| jasondotstar | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Salt_Team_Meeting | 16:06 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-salt | 16:07 |
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| jasondotstar | #topic Review past action items | 16:07 |
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| jasondotstar | let's see who's around | 16:07 |
| jasondotstar | genunix to continue openstack packaging research | 16:08 |
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| genunix | yes, unfortunately no progress. Except for proceeding with redhat packaging. | 16:08 |
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| jasondotstar | ok | 16:09 |
| jasondotstar | #action genunix to continue openstack packaging research | 16:09 |
| jasondotstar | we've got a new team member who's also looking into RDO packaging as well | 16:09 |
| genunix | yes! :-) | 16:10 |
| jasondotstar | and I've offered to help. I want to get back into building packages | 16:10 |
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| jasondotstar | ok next one: | 16:11 |
| jasondotstar | jasondotstar to look at the integration of launchpad with our repos (bug triage, tracking, etc.) *important* | 16:11 |
| jasondotstar | ok so here's some documentation that details how to go about this: | 16:11 |
| jasondotstar | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html#set-up-launchpad | 16:12 |
| jasondotstar | basically this explains the process | 16:12 |
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| jasondotstar | I can work with cznewt | 16:13 |
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| jasondotstar | to ensure that we follow the LP process and setup the LP projects and groups correctly | 16:13 |
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| jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to begin working on the launchpad integration (enlisting help from cznewt) | 16:14 |
| jasondotstar | any comments or questions on this? | 16:14 |
| jasondotstar | ok moving on | 16:15 |
| jasondotstar | cznewt to look at beaker gates and how to fold a similar process into the salt workflow | 16:15 |
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| jasondotstar | cznewt: any news here? | 16:17 |
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| jasondotstar | ok let's move on | 16:19 |
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| jasondotstar | cznewt get the first cloud based labs for openstack-salt testing fully operational | 16:20 |
| jasondotstar | we'll carry both of these fwd until we hear back from cznewt | 16:20 |
| genunix | cznewt is probably still teaching on salt workshop | 16:21 |
| jasondotstar | #action cznewt to look at beaker gates and how to fold in a similar process into the openstack-salt workflow | 16:21 |
| jasondotstar | #action cznewt to work on getting the cloud-based labs for openstack-salt testing fully operational | 16:21 |
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| jasondotstar | ok there was an open item regarding our engagement with the broader salt community | 16:22 |
| jasondotstar | to continue to engage the salt community regarding our standardizing dependencies, packaging, versioning, and testing | 16:22 |
| genunix | yes, my mailing list post is still with no response | 16:22 |
| jasondotstar | genunix: +1 | 16:22 |
| genunix | It would be great if someone could ping it | 16:22 |
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| jasondotstar | do we have any contacts there | 16:22 |
| jasondotstar | besides Nitin Madhok? | 16:22 |
| jasondotstar | I've had no luck reaching out to him in the past | 16:23 |
| genunix | #link https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/salt-users/pytloun/salt-users/v3PQDfRgtmk/8toLNeGVCAAJ | 16:23 |
| jasondotstar | genunix: thx for the link | 16:23 |
| jasondotstar | let's keep our eye on it; see if we can get someone to respond | 16:23 |
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| jasondotstar | #action continue monitoring the salt mailing list for a response | 16:24 |
| genunix | maybe at lest something like "Great work, I also wonder how to package..." just to get some attention :-) | 16:24 |
| jasondotstar | genunix: +1 | 16:24 |
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| jasondotstar | next: jasondotstar to complete local dev testing setup | 16:25 |
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| jasondotstar | so following the process for setting up a local dev environment via vagrant works | 16:26 |
| jasondotstar | should I publish my test results? blog post? wiki? | 16:26 |
| jasondotstar | what would you guys suggest? | 16:26 |
| genunix | both would be great imo | 16:27 |
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| jasondotstar | #link http://openstack-salt.tcpcloud.eu/develop/quickstart-vagrant.html | 16:27 |
| jasondotstar | those are the instructions | 16:27 |
| genunix | blog post could possibly get some more people to openstack-salt | 16:27 |
| jasondotstar | but what I'll do is post a blog entry that illustrates it | 16:27 |
| jasondotstar | my blog is on the openstack planet | 16:27 |
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| jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to write a blog post that illustrates how to setup the openstack-salt local dev environment | 16:28 |
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| jasondotstar | anything else on this one? | 16:28 |
| genunix | we will surely share your blog post on tcpcloud.eu and our channels | 16:28 |
| jasondotstar | nice! | 16:29 |
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| jasondotstar | ok | 16:29 |
| jasondotstar | next one: | 16:29 |
| jasondotstar | jasondotstar to work on pruning the salt formula projects underneath the stackforge/ namespace | 16:30 |
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| jasondotstar | k so this one still needs work | 16:30 |
| jasondotstar | but there was some guidance given to use from the -infra team | 16:30 |
| jasondotstar | as we know, we've got competing repos | 16:31 |
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| jasondotstar | some in the stackforge/ namespace | 16:31 |
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| jasondotstar | and the ones we've been iterating against lately in the openstack/ namepace | 16:31 |
| jasondotstar | the ones in the stackforge/ namespace are old and basically defunct | 16:32 |
| jasondotstar | Best solution is to push a commit deleting all files and adding a readme with a note that the head^1 commit is teh last state of the repo pre-retirement, then locking down the gerrit acl to read-only for it | 16:32 |
| jasondotstar | since we cannot delete those repos directly. | 16:32 |
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| jasondotstar | this is the suggestion from the -infra team | 16:32 |
| genunix | Ok, it sounds fine | 16:33 |
| jasondotstar | on the meeting agenda etherpad, i listed out all of the stackforge/ repos | 16:33 |
| jasondotstar | basically we go through this list | 16:33 |
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| jasondotstar | and do this for each repo. | 16:34 |
| jasondotstar | we can divide an conquer this | 16:34 |
| jasondotstar | or one of us can simply work on it. either way I'll take the action to coordinat | 16:35 |
| jasondotstar | *coordinate it | 16:35 |
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| jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to coordinate 'sunsetting' of the salt formula repos under the stackforge/ namespace | 16:35 |
| jasondotstar | any other thoughts on this? | 16:36 |
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| jasondotstar | if not that basically rounds out the action items from our last meeting | 16:37 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Today's Agenda | 16:38 |
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| jasondotstar | ok | 16:38 |
| jasondotstar | RedHat packaging/config | 16:38 |
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| jasondotstar | that's on the list, does someone here want to kick off this discussion? | 16:38 |
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| jasondotstar | genunix: did you put this topic on the agenda? | 16:39 |
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| genunix | no, didn't | 16:40 |
| jasondotstar | ok I'm thinking that it was our newest member | 16:40 |
| jasondotstar | well, the idea is around providing RPMs | 16:41 |
| genunix | we are working on rhel support in formulas and arif-ali made some first spec file for building RPMs. | 16:41 |
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| jasondotstar | i remember cznewt saying that the RPM-based stuff needed some love. | 16:41 |
| jasondotstar | i saw a couple commits on that | 16:42 |
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| genunix | #link https://review.openstack.org/280606 | 16:42 |
| genunix | Yes, there already was some basic rhel support, but not maintained. | 16:42 |
| jasondotstar | gotcha | 16:43 |
| jasondotstar | how were you guys testing | 16:43 |
| jasondotstar | ? | 16:43 |
| genunix | some fixes are also needed in formulas not yet under openstack big tent | 16:43 |
| jasondotstar | were you building and installing the packages in a test environment? | 16:43 |
| genunix | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12d0GcnlIIFpg4439jWL_bRqaGeLzzIG6nCkjCNDo45w/edit?usp=sharing | 16:43 |
| genunix | Yes, clustered setup, everything on CentOS 7 | 16:43 |
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| jasondotstar | oh | 16:44 |
| jasondotstar | nice | 16:44 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 16:44 |
| genunix | formulas are not delivered by packages but using git clone (at least until we have RPMs) | 16:44 |
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| jasondotstar | +1 | 16:45 |
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| jasondotstar | so we'll have to figure out gating | 16:46 |
| jasondotstar | that actually builds the packages too | 16:46 |
| jasondotstar | just to ensure that the spec files work | 16:47 |
| jasondotstar | i think we're doing linting now | 16:47 |
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| jasondotstar | but we've got to fold in the other project gates | 16:47 |
| genunix | yes, something like that, just rendering sls with specific pillars | 16:48 |
| jasondotstar | right | 16:48 |
| jasondotstar | do we merge these in prior to having them testing via a gate? | 16:48 |
| jasondotstar | s/testing/tested | 16:48 |
| jasondotstar | that's something we can noodle on I guess | 16:49 |
| arif-ali | The spec files don't necessarily need to be imported into the projects, and would be in the openstack-packaging project, then we can utilise the CentOS delorean for packaging | 16:49 |
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| arif-ali | that is my understanding | 16:50 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 16:50 |
| genunix | it would be great | 16:50 |
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| jasondotstar | the review that's up there now | 16:51 |
| jasondotstar | is adding the .spec to the salt-formula-* project though | 16:51 |
| arif-ali | I just need to find where the tarballed packages will be for the salt formalas, then it can track these down | 16:51 |
| jasondotstar | should we add those to openstack-packaging instead | 16:51 |
| jasondotstar | ? | 16:51 |
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| arif-ali | yeah, that can possibly be discarded, and create new projects under openstack-packaging | 16:52 |
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| jasondotstar | #action arif-ali to confirm where the tarballed pkgs for the openstack salt formulas should be hosted | 16:52 |
| jasondotstar | we should confirm that.... can you take that one, arif-ali? | 16:53 |
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| arif-ali | so the other spec files that they have, expect them to be at http://tarballs.openstack.org/<project_name> | 16:54 |
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| jasondotstar | #action arif-ali to confirm the appropriate location for the openstack-salt spec files | 16:54 |
| jasondotstar | yea that looks like the right place | 16:54 |
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| jasondotstar | ok any other thoughts on the RPM-based packaging work? | 16:55 |
| jasondotstar | if not, we'll open up the last five minutes for open discussion | 16:56 |
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| jasondotstar | #topic Open Discussion, Bug and Review triage (submit modules to triage here) | 16:56 |
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| jasondotstar | genunix: sorry, i didn't realize that cznewt was teaching a salt workshop | 16:57 |
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| jasondotstar | is there anything else that we should bring up? | 16:58 |
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| jasondotstar | we good? | 16:58 |
| jasondotstar | :-) | 16:58 |
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| genunix | I think it's all :) | 16:59 |
| jasondotstar | cool. thanks team - cznewt, genunix, arif-ali | 16:59 |
| jasondotstar | until next week. | 16:59 |
| jasondotstar | we'll talk in chan. | 16:59 |
| jasondotstar | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 16 17:00:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-02-16-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-02-16-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-02-16-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| genunix | Thanks jasondotstar :-) | 17:00 |
| jasondotstar | np | 17:00 |
| gibi | #startmeeting nova notification | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 16 17:00:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_notification' | 17:00 |
| gibi | hi! | 17:00 |
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| gibi | do we have somebedy for the notification meeting? :) | 17:01 |
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| cdent | I'm here, but haven't got anything to talk about. | 17:01 |
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| gibi | I have a confession to make | 17:02 |
| gibi | I did not progress on the stuff we discussed last time | 17:02 |
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| gibi | there was some crazy days internally | 17:02 |
| gibi | in my internal project | 17:02 |
| gibi | the last step I did was to followed up sean comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276363/ | 17:03 |
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| gibi | during that work I realized that we have utils.wrap_exception decorat | 17:03 |
| gibi | or | 17:03 |
| gibi | that emits notification | 17:03 |
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| rlrossit | gibi: sorry I'm late! | 17:04 |
| gibi | where the event_type is the name of the decorated function | 17:04 |
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| gibi | rlrossit: hi | 17:04 |
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| gibi | that pretty much makes impossible to white list existing event_types | 17:04 |
| gibi | as there is a lot that can come from the decorator | 17:05 |
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| gibi | so I'm here now | 17:05 |
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| gibi | lost the last week on internal studd | 17:05 |
| gibi | ff | 17:05 |
| gibi | I will pick this review up maybe tomorrow afternoon | 17:06 |
| gibi | that is all from my side | 17:06 |
| gibi | tasks are still on the etherpad if somebody wants to pick some | 17:06 |
| gibi | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-versioned-notifications | 17:07 |
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| * cdent is buried under resource-* for the time being | 17:09 | |
| gibi | cdent: I see you found nice tasks there, and I agree that that is pretty important | 17:09 |
| gibi | rlrossit: anything on your side? | 17:10 |
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| rlrossit | not nova-facing unfortunately :( | 17:10 |
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| rlrossit | If you get something up for testing against legacy event types, I'll *try* to take a look at it | 17:10 |
| rlrossit | along with trying to keep up with cdent and hist resource thingys | 17:11 |
| gibi | rlrossit: thanks! I'd like to put something up this week | 17:11 |
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| gibi | I think we can close the meeting early I don't want to keep you away from the resource stuff | 17:12 |
| gibi | I will ping you guys If I have something up on review | 17:12 |
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| cdent | good idea gibi, thanks | 17:13 |
| gibi | thanks, see you around | 17:13 |
| gibi | #endmeeting | 17:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 16 17:14:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2016/nova_notification.2016-02-16-17.00.html | 17:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2016/nova_notification.2016-02-16-17.00.txt | 17:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2016/nova_notification.2016-02-16-17.00.log.html | 17:14 |
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| tsymanczyk | \o | 17:59 |
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| stevemar | keystone meeting reminder ping; ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, ericksonsantos, geoffarnold, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, joesavak, lbragstad, lhcheng, marekd, morganfainberg, nkinder, raildo, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, claudiub, rderose, samleon, xek, MaxPC, tjcocozz, jorge_munoz | 18:00 |
| topol | o/ | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | o/ | 18:00 |
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| tjcocozz | o/ | 18:00 |
| htruta | \o | 18:00 |
| henrynash | bon soir | 18:00 |
| raildo | _o_ | 18:00 |
| amakarov | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:00 |
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| lhcheng | o/ | 18:00 |
| navidp | o/ | 18:00 |
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| stevemar | henrynash: hola | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | henrynash: bon soir monsieur | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:00 |
| notmorgan | stevemar: i thought i said you should sleep in today | 18:00 |
| xek | o/ | 18:00 |
| htruta | henrynash: boa tarde! | 18:00 |
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| ayoung | And I'm back | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: you were gone? | 18:01 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: wb | 18:01 |
| browne | o/ | 18:01 |
| ayoung | accidentally closed the window | 18:01 |
| marekd | hi | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: i feel like you are always with me | 18:01 |
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| dstanek | o/ | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 16 18:01:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:01 |
| stevemar | #topic mitaka-3 release countdown | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | not much on the agenda today | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/mitaka-3 | 18:02 |
| stevemar | we've got about 2 weeks before mitaka-3 is cut | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | we have 4 major blueprints that still need to get wrapped up | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | henrynash: you've got domain scoped roles, which i think is in good shape | 18:03 |
| stevemar | henrynash: do you have folks actively reviewing the work? | 18:03 |
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| ayoung | I am | 18:03 |
| henrynash | stevemar: yep, just fixing up the trust interaction | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | henrynash: anyone else, i poked at it a bit | 18:04 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: yep, I, ayoung and henrynash are working on getting dsr and reseller (phase 1) | 18:04 |
| gyee | I am keeping an eye on them as well | 18:04 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar: I am also looking at project tree ops | 18:04 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: i punted reseller to N, there were a bunch of patches still outstanding | 18:04 |
| henrynash | stevemar, ayoung: next set of patches on dsr and reseller are looking for final +2/A | 18:04 |
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| stevemar | samueldmq: project tree ops are still on target | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: even phase 1 ? | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: I didn't know about that decision, thanks for the update | 18:05 |
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| stevemar | samueldmq: i think so, last i checked on friday, there were about 7 patches to go, in various WIP and merge conflict states | 18:05 |
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| htruta | stevemar: there isn't that many patches, and as henrynash said, most of them had +2 | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: yes, I agree, perhaps we can consider looking at them again if we have good progress this week ? | 18:06 |
| stevemar | htruta: i count 10 here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:bp/reseller | 18:06 |
| henrynash | stevemar: not all those are required, there are 5 that re needed for it to be actualy implented, the rest is cleanup….first 4 aer all good to go, the final one is waiting on a cinder fix | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: I was/am putting a lot of effort reviewing then (still at the top ones) | 18:07 |
| htruta | stevemar: those include phase1 and phase 2. We're only interested in phase 1 in M | 18:07 |
| samueldmq | htruta: so 5 ? | 18:07 |
| samueldmq | henrynash: ^ | 18:07 |
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| htruta | samueldmq: yes | 18:07 |
| stevemar | henrynash: htruta then update the bp accordingly? remove the patches from the discussion section that are unrelated | 18:07 |
| henrynash | samueldmq: yes, the first 5 on that list. If we do that, then projects are acting as domains | 18:07 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: ++ | 18:08 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar: let them update the bp with the *5* patches to implement it | 18:08 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar: and reconsider that to M :) | 18:08 |
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| stevemar | samueldmq: just remove ones that are unrelated | 18:08 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: yep | 18:08 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: I will keep working with henrynash and ayoung and htruta to get them through this week (ideally) | 18:09 |
| ayoung | henrynash, at least +1 the reviews that you are feel you've done too much on to +2, to show that you approve the additions | 18:09 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: sounds good | 18:09 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: perfect | 18:09 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264533/ for example | 18:09 |
| henrynash | ayoung: ok | 18:09 |
| stevemar | next up is the totp stuff | 18:09 |
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| stevemar | #topic totp | 18:10 |
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| stevemar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274901/ | 18:10 |
| henrynash | ayoung: done | 18:10 |
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| stevemar | i've been extra harsh on it since the spec took so long, and the we had to give it a FFE | 18:10 |
| stevemar | i'm not seeing any docs or tests, and we're 2 weeks away | 18:10 |
| notmorgan | at this point with lack of docs, testing, etc | 18:10 |
| notmorgan | i am voting push to N | 18:11 |
| gyee | stevemar we still have 2 weeks :) | 18:11 |
| stevemar | strategy with keystoneauth is undefined | 18:11 |
| notmorgan | and i was a champion of it at the midcycle assuming it would move faster than it did | 18:11 |
| stevemar | gyee: it's more than that, it's diverted resources from other bps, and also maintaining the code | 18:11 |
| gyee | stevemar, I am just trying to help, is the Werner in the house? | 18:12 |
| ayoung | I think totp can make it | 18:12 |
| stevemar | i'm pessimistic on this one, if i ned a reality check, then i'm asking others to let me know | 18:12 |
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| ayoung | it really is just a documentation change, to distinguish it from standard password | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | it looks like it has tests? | 18:12 |
| ayoung | it should not be doing anything really wacky | 18:12 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: 2 tests | 18:12 |
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| notmorgan | ayoung: and needs a ksa/auth-plugin story | 18:13 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: and tests for tha | 18:13 |
| notmorgan | t | 18:13 |
| ayoung | notmorgan, ksa can happen after M3 though | 18:13 |
| gyee | ksa requirement is a bit harsh IMO | 18:13 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: no it can't really | 18:13 |
| bknudson_ | client libs final release is before M3 | 18:13 |
| gyee | we don't require keystoneclient code complete with the new APIs | 18:13 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: we will be past the mitaka deadline soon for non-client libs | 18:13 |
| dstanek | stevemar: i'm going to be helping out with that one i think | 18:13 |
| ayoung | notmorgan, ok | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: and if we vote for keeping it, we should have super-champions to help getting a great progress until the end of this week ? | 18:13 |
| dstanek | the totp one that is | 18:14 |
| * ayoung needs to finish implied roles then | 18:14 | |
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| notmorgan | and client libs will be 1 week past m3 | 18:14 |
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| notmorgan | ftr | 18:14 |
| bknudson_ | Final release for non-client libraries: Feb 24 | 18:14 |
| stevemar | yes, client libs are coming out very soon | 18:14 |
| bknudson_ | Final release for client libraries: Mar 2 | 18:14 |
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| notmorgan | yep | 18:14 |
| stevemar | i'm going to propose keystoneauth and keystonemiddleware today actually | 18:14 |
| stevemar | that was another topic | 18:14 |
| gyee | samueldmq, it will be in good shape by the end of week :) | 18:14 |
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| notmorgan | stevemar: hold please till closer to the deadline. | 18:15 |
| stevemar | gyee: OK, i'll give it til end of week | 18:15 |
| marekd | so no server side feature will be approved without client libs? | 18:15 |
| notmorgan | stevemar: for ksm/ksa | 18:15 |
| marekd | clientside impl | 18:15 |
| stevemar | notmorgan: why? anticipating something? | 18:15 |
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| notmorgan | stevemar: there is something jamie was working on i want to see igf we can land | 18:15 |
| notmorgan | the authplugin -> oslo.context bigs | 18:15 |
| notmorgan | bits* | 18:15 |
| gyee | marekd, we can make it a new rule if you want | 18:16 |
| stevemar | notmorgan: okay, get it lined up quickly | 18:16 |
| notmorgan | marekd: we need a "what does this look like" story. | 18:16 |
| notmorgan | stevemar: just propose on the 22 or so ;) | 18:16 |
| stevemar | marekd: gyee no no no, it's not a requirement | 18:16 |
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| notmorgan | marekd: not a "this is implemented" | 18:16 |
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| notmorgan | but with an auth-type i expect especially with the low amount of code to have that complete | 18:16 |
| stevemar | marekd: gyee -- i am asking "how will totp work with ksa?" how am i expected to use it | 18:16 |
| marekd | gyee: i absolutely don't want that. | 18:16 |
| notmorgan | especially with how slow that code is moving on updates/responses to comments | 18:17 |
| marekd | notmorgan: understood. | 18:17 |
| stevemar | marekd: gyee for most work items, it's just new APIs, which are an existing pattern in keystoneclient | 18:17 |
| stevemar | i know how much work is expected in keystoneclient when we add a new route | 18:17 |
| marekd | stevemar: yeah, i just got scared that we now must ship server + client code and somehow I wasn't aware of that. | 18:18 |
| stevemar | i have no idea how much work is needed in keystoneauth with totp | 18:18 |
| notmorgan | auth plugins are also tiny amounts of work really | 18:18 |
| gyee | stevemar, yeah, like notmorgan said | 18:18 |
| notmorgan | but the keystone side has dragged a lot. | 18:18 |
| stevemar | notmorgan: ++ | 18:18 |
| stevemar | it's a mix of a lot of things | 18:18 |
| dstanek | stevemar: what is the minimum i would need to do to ksa? a proof-of-concept show how it would work? | 18:19 |
| gyee | but yeah I agree the main author need to be a bit more urgent | 18:19 |
| gyee | we're here to help, but ... | 18:19 |
| marekd | same with shadow users :( | 18:19 |
| stevemar | dstanek: poc works for me, even a straw man dictating how you expect it to work | 18:19 |
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| notmorgan | dstanek: a POC in KSA [and i bet you'd fine the POC will be almost ready to go] and full testing/docs on the keystone side | 18:19 |
| stevemar | right now it's all hand waves | 18:19 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar: if we wnt to see a great progress until the end of the week, I'd like to propose we find champions for this | 18:20 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: otherwise it won't get the attention it needs | 18:20 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: sounds like dstanek and gyee are on it | 18:20 |
| notmorgan | i mean, an auth plugin that just bundles the stuff in the right way to auth will likely be able to land before m3. | 18:20 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: perfect then, I just wanted to make sure we're on the right way :) | 18:20 |
| dstanek | stevemar: yeah, it was written by someone on my team so i have no issue picking it up | 18:20 |
| stevemar | since marek brought it up... | 18:21 |
| stevemar | #topic shadow users | 18:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "shadow users (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:21 | |
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| stevemar | you found your way to irc land! | 18:21 |
| rderose | shadow users has 3 main parts, separate user identities, shadow federated users, shadow ldap users | 18:21 |
| rderose | separate user identities is ready for review | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | rderose link? | 18:22 |
| rderose | should be closer to finishing shadow federated users by the end of the week | 18:22 |
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| stevemar | lbragstad: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278570/ | 18:22 |
| rderose | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278570/ | 18:22 |
| rderose | shadow ldap users probably push to N | 18:22 |
| marekd | rderose: hm i only see some extra layer in the db | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:bp/shadow-users | 18:22 |
| marekd | for all the types of users | 18:22 |
| samueldmq | dles t | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | ^ branch in case anyone is interested | 18:22 |
| stevemar | rderose i'm really happy with the first patch | 18:22 |
| samueldmq | does it make sense to make shadow users partially in a release ? | 18:23 |
| samueldmq | vs pushing everything to N ? | 18:23 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: we can live without the ldap stuff i think | 18:23 |
| stevemar | dolphm: ^ | 18:23 |
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| dolphm | ++ | 18:23 |
| rderose | marekd separating user identites is really only in the db layer | 18:23 |
| notmorgan | scaffolding is a find thing to land in M | 18:23 |
| bknudson_ | I think it's going to be confusing to deployers if it only partially works. | 18:23 |
| stevemar | dolphm: what were you ++'ing, there were 5 messages at the same time | 18:23 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: cool, we should be fine with 2 first parts then | 18:23 |
| dolphm | stevemar: yours | 18:23 |
| breton | bknudson_: ++ | 18:24 |
| notmorgan | as long as it doesn't expose the confusing things to deployers or end users | 18:24 |
| stevemar | dolphm: ++ | 18:24 |
| dolphm | stevemar: ++ | 18:24 |
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| notmorgan | if you need to just land some tables and some internal restructures, thats fine. | 18:24 |
| marekd | rderose: yeah, but are you going to add some logic apart db layer? | 18:24 |
| stevemar | bknudson_: there's nothing partial about it, it's an internal move of our data | 18:24 |
| notmorgan | just try and avoid leaking info for un-implemented things to deployers/end-users | 18:24 |
| notmorgan | thats all i ask | 18:24 |
| notmorgan | and if that is the feature in it's entirety, great | 18:24 |
| rderose | separating user identities and shadowing federated users are independent features of shadowing ldap users | 18:24 |
| ayoung | We're not going to get this all done, are we? | 18:25 |
| marekd | rderose: how shadow users were advertised in Tokio was I think much more complicated stuff. | 18:25 |
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| marekd | rderose: that's why i am asking | 18:25 |
| dolphm | marekd: the benefits are big | 18:25 |
| dolphm | marekd: and the mental model is substantially different | 18:25 |
| samueldmq | dolphm: ++ | 18:25 |
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| gyee | how is it less confusing without the ldap stuff? | 18:25 |
| marekd | dolphm: so i should only expect anything more than extra layer in the db. | 18:26 |
| dstanek | dolphm: rderose: will the driver contract eventually change? | 18:26 |
| dolphm | marekd: just for remote identities to be shadowed as necessary (federation, ldap, maybe remote user) | 18:26 |
| rderose | dstanek no, the driver contract will not change | 18:26 |
| stevemar | gyee: adding ldap users to the overall database is the same as adding federated users | 18:26 |
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| stevemar | gyee: but adding federated is more important, and the main use case | 18:27 |
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| rderose | dstanek creating a new driver for shadowing users | 18:27 |
| stevemar | gyee: since now we can assign roles to them, and more easily audit bits | 18:27 |
| marekd | dolphm: the question i think i never got any response is whether the process of shadowing (assigning unique ids for remote users) will be handled by keystone with some smart algos or it will be somewhat leveraged for e.g operators creating mapping rules for federation? | 18:27 |
| gyee | stevemar, that's fine, so as long we get all the users from list users API, I was under the impression that we only get a partial list | 18:28 |
| marekd | if it will still be repsonsibility of ops then yes, i think it's just a db layer. | 18:28 |
| stevemar | gyee: nope | 18:28 |
| breton | we actually have something like shadow users for ldap. It's called id_mapping_api. | 18:28 |
| stevemar | breton: ++ | 18:28 |
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| dolphm | breton: yeah, we need to merge that back into the new schema - the new schema follows that model a bit | 18:28 |
| breton | it is quite a pain in terms of performance though | 18:28 |
| stevemar | dolphm: do you have time to review this one with me this week? | 18:29 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: have time this afternoon? | 18:29 |
| stevemar | dolphm: yep | 18:29 |
| dolphm | stevemar: done | 18:29 |
| dstanek | marekd: (i don't know the official train of thought) but i pictured this as social auth. as a user i have an account in keystone and i attach another account to it | 18:29 |
| stevemar | i'll make time | 18:29 |
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| stevemar | okay, shadow users is still on the table | 18:29 |
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| marekd | breton: dstanek yyy? | 18:29 |
| dstanek | rderose: i have to imagine that you'd be adding driver methods at some point though, right? | 18:29 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: tell me how to make it later :) | 18:30 |
| bknudson_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279162/17/keystone/identity/core.py adds a new driver | 18:30 |
| rderose | dstanek new methods, but part of a new shadow users driver. what are you thinking? | 18:30 |
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| bknudson_ | does shadow users have a different table for each type of user? I thought there'd be one table to rule them all | 18:31 |
| rderose | bknudson one local identity table to rule them all | 18:32 |
| marekd | rderose: i think no contrllers are touched at all, for instance for federated/remote users, right? | 18:32 |
| stevemar | bknudson_: the "identity" table links back to "user" | 18:32 |
| rderose | marekd yes, correct | 18:32 |
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| ayoung | is the current shadow users spec accurate? | 18:32 |
| rderose | ayoung it should be | 18:33 |
| dstanek | rderose: not sure. do you plan on getting the federated stuff in for m3? | 18:33 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: i'd like that | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone-specs/blob/master/specs/mitaka/shadow-users.rst | 18:33 |
| rderose | dstanek yes, the plan is to shadow federated users for m3 | 18:33 |
| ayoung | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone-specs/tree/specs/mitaka/shadow-users.rst | 18:33 |
| ayoung | damnit | 18:33 |
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| dolphm | breton: curious about your performance pains, btw | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | ayoung :) | 18:33 |
| dstanek | stevemar: ok then i think we need to figure out what that driver should look like. i'm not fond if it's current impl | 18:34 |
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| samueldmq | yes, rderose said it will be fully ready for review by the end of the week, looks like we can focus on the first patch until then ? | 18:34 |
| stevemar | dstanek: i think rderose is open to suggestions | 18:34 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: ^ | 18:34 |
| stevemar | and guidance | 18:34 |
| rderose | dstanek stevemar absolutely, have gone back and forth on the implementation | 18:35 |
| breton | dolphm: #openstack-keystone | 18:35 |
| stevemar | last BP that needs discussion... | 18:35 |
| stevemar | #topic service-provider-filtering | 18:35 |
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| stevemar | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/service-provider-filters | 18:35 |
| rderose | * the implementation for shadowing federated users that is | 18:36 |
| marekd | yeah, so i noticed that davechen put some -1s | 18:36 |
| stevemar | marekd: i apologize for not reviewing this | 18:36 |
| rderose | separating user identities should be ready for review | 18:36 |
| stevemar | marekd: i think there have been very few reviews | 18:36 |
| samueldmq | I never liked extending *endpoint* filterting to *service providers*, which are different things | 18:36 |
| marekd | but in general i think it's more or less complete +/- some comments from other reviewers. | 18:36 |
| marekd | stevemar: no worries | 18:36 |
| samueldmq | but I guess everyone know that already, as I've been saying from the start | 18:36 |
| marekd | stevemar: and yes, not so many reviews but Dave was very helpful. | 18:36 |
| marekd | esp with json schema stuff | 18:36 |
| stevemar | maybe we need to talk about why no one has reviewed this? | 18:37 |
| stevemar | do folks not like the idea? | 18:37 |
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| gyee | stevemar, just haven't found the time | 18:37 |
| stevemar | samueldmq has voiced concerns about existing ep-filter | 18:37 |
| marekd | stevemar: lot's of people do that now...but it was discussed 2-3 times in the meetings | 18:38 |
| samueldmq | and I've been always hoding the same opinion | 18:38 |
| marekd | stevemar: i actually don't care that much whether it would be under /OS-FEDERATION/service_providers_filtering/ or /OS-EP-FILTER | 18:38 |
| dolphm | stevemar: sounds like something i should be interested in, but i have not reviewed | 18:38 |
| samueldmq | because endpoint != service provider | 18:38 |
| samueldmq | and configuring service provider filtering undersomething called [endpoint_filter] soudns bad to me | 18:39 |
| gyee | we had this discussion awhile back, whether SP should be part of service catalog, but that ship has sailed | 18:39 |
| ayoung | SP is Federation, not servicea catalog term. Keep them separate | 18:40 |
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| stevemar | marekd: i'll confess that i am in no rush to get this in, i think our SP story is a bit wonky | 18:40 |
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| ayoung | going to be really easy to confuse people with these terms | 18:40 |
| gyee | ayoung, people is treating SP as a region right now | 18:40 |
| gyee | so why not part of SC | 18:40 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: ++ | 18:40 |
| gyee | at least the IBM patch is making it a virtual region | 18:40 |
| ayoung | gyee, it has nothing to do with regions or SC. | 18:40 |
| gyee | from horizon dropdown | 18:41 |
| ayoung | It leads in to authorization | 18:41 |
| marekd | gyee: is region already formalized? because afair it was all and nothing at the same time. | 18:41 |
| ayoung | gyee, its wrong then/ but I hadn;'t seen it | 18:41 |
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| gyee | ayoung, take a look at Doug Fish's patch | 18:41 |
| ayoung | link | 18:41 |
| marekd | stevemar: so your only concert is namespacing? | 18:42 |
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| marekd | concern | 18:42 |
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| stevemar | marekd: no, i just think how we handle SPs is a bit weird and maybe it needs more thought | 18:42 |
| stevemar | i think SP-filtering (what you have proposed for m3) is a symptom of how we handled SPs along side the catalog | 18:43 |
| gyee | ayoung, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159910/ | 18:43 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: ++ | 18:43 |
| marekd | stevemar: so i think jamie was always repeating that only endpoints that you can reach/use with the same token should be in a catalog | 18:43 |
| marekd | SPs are clearly not usable without extra token | 18:44 |
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| notmorgan | marekd: gyee was on that, don't know if jamie was sold on it | 18:44 |
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| stevemar | marekd: i'm not saying we put the SPs in the catalog | 18:44 |
| marekd | notmorgan: i'd say jamie, but might be wrong. | 18:45 |
| gyee | SC is a nice place for it as they also need to be "discoverable" | 18:45 |
| marekd | gyee: but SPs will differ from {project,user} to {project,user} | 18:45 |
| notmorgan | lets not wedge more in the SC | 18:45 |
| notmorgan | please. | 18:45 |
| notmorgan | make it a /service-providers call or whatever | 18:45 |
| bknudson_ | /v3/auth/service_providers | 18:45 |
| notmorgan | bknudson_: sure. | 18:46 |
| marekd | and what should be under that route? | 18:46 |
| gyee | anway, like I said, that ship has sailed, so lets look ahead :) | 18:46 |
| samueldmq | and create a separate API/internal code for filtering it | 18:46 |
| marekd | samueldmq: that was not even proposed. | 18:47 |
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| gyee | unless you want to amend the spec | 18:47 |
| marekd | i propose we read the spec again and raise some comments (again). | 18:48 |
| bknudson_ | the specs aren't written in stone | 18:48 |
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| samueldmq | marekd: yes, and that's my concern, re-use a thing that is a separate concern | 18:48 |
| stevemar | marekd: i just think we need to think about it more before we take on more code | 18:48 |
| marekd | i see the problem recurs and is more architecture, not implementation. | 18:48 |
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| stevemar | SPs are only use for k2k, I'm assuming there aren't many people using this, and they won't be upset if we don't land this for mitaka | 18:49 |
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| bknudson_ | I don't think we ever got the auth plugin | 18:49 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: ++ | 18:49 |
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| stevemar | bknudson_: we did, i believe | 18:49 |
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| stevemar | marekd: i'd rather wait and see if we can't come up with a better way to do this, sorry if this comes as a surprise | 18:50 |
| marekd | bknudson_: i think we did | 18:50 |
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| bknudson_ | It's not documented: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystoneauth/authentication-plugins.html ? | 18:50 |
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| marekd | bknudson_: that's a different story | 18:50 |
| stevemar | bknudson_: nothing is ever documented | 18:50 |
| bknudson_ | so nobody can use it | 18:51 |
| gyee | :) | 18:51 |
| stevemar | that's the way we like it | 18:51 |
| stevemar | marekd: we'll chat in a bit | 18:51 |
| stevemar | #topic bugs! | 18:51 |
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| marekd | stevemar: well, it does suprise me a little bit, but i am not upset or something, so don't worry | 18:52 |
| stevemar | there are a bunch of bugs open against mitaka-3: https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/mitaka-3 | 18:52 |
| stevemar | lots of good work being done on that front | 18:52 |
| gyee | marekd, but you'll be sending stevemar christmas card still right? :D | 18:52 |
| samueldmq | summary: 3 New, 1 Triaged, 12 In Progress | 18:52 |
| stevemar | i've marked all new-ish bugs that have a patch as mitaka-3 candidates... some of these are not important enough to block mitaka-3, but they are actively being worked on | 18:53 |
| marekd | gyee: and hugs | 18:53 |
| ayoung | K2K is not Federation. | 18:54 |
| stevemar | the only bug i'm confused about it one of the trusts ones | 18:54 |
| ayoung | Federation includes K2k...gah | 18:54 |
| stevemar | ayoung: stay on topic | 18:54 |
| ayoung | sorry | 18:54 |
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| stevemar | henrynash: you've got 2 related to domain configs | 18:55 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: which one? reported by henrynash earlier today? | 18:55 |
| henrynash | stevemar: yep | 18:55 |
| stevemar | those aren't blockers right? | 18:55 |
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| henrynash | samueldmq: nope | 18:55 |
| samueldmq | k | 18:55 |
| stevemar | they didn't block liberty, so i assume they won't block mitaka | 18:55 |
| henrynash | stevemar: nope, if I can fix them I will, but not blockers | 18:55 |
| stevemar | henrynash: splendid | 18:55 |
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| stevemar | lbragstad: ayoung there's also https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1539766 | 18:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1539766 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "trust redelegation allows trustee to create a trust (with impersonation set to true) from a redelegated trust (with impersonation set to false)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Jorge Munoz (jorge-munoz) | 18:56 |
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| stevemar | i am having trouble keeping track of this and whether or not it's valid | 18:56 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: also, are any of your fernet token patches blockers for mitaka-3? | 18:57 |
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| samueldmq | remimder: 3 minutes left | 18:57 |
| stevemar | i know we had hoped to make fernet the default for mitaka, but i'm not so sure that's possible? | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | stevemar i don't think they are blockers | 18:57 |
| samueldmq | reminder* | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | actually the oauth one might | 18:57 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: only if we want fernet to be the default? | 18:57 |
| breton | fernet is still not default??? | 18:57 |
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| stevemar | breton: correct, uuid | 18:57 |
| breton | why | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | breton no - it's been in a string of patches | 18:57 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, I have -1 on that right now | 18:58 |
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| stevemar | gah, we're out of time | 18:58 |
| dolphm | breton: because the default is not just a philosophical choice | 18:58 |
| stevemar | please review review review | 18:58 |
| ayoung | +++ | 18:58 |
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| stevemar | we've got 2 weeks left | 18:58 |
| stevemar | let's keep the momentum going | 18:59 |
| stevemar | thanks everyone for their hard work (now and in advance) | 18:59 |
| bknudson_ | if you care about policy usability -- I posted a spec to switch policy.json to YAML -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279748/ -- it's essentially a one-line change. | 18:59 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 16 18:59:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-02-16-18.01.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-02-16-18.01.txt | 18:59 |
| breton | dolphm: yes it is! | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-02-16-18.01.log.html | 18:59 |
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| stevemar | bknudson_: sorry :( | 18:59 |
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| dolphm | breton: change the default then | 18:59 |
| pleia2 | infra meeting time o/ | 19:00 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:00 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:00 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:00 |
| Clint | o/ | 19:00 |
| clarkb | hello | 19:00 |
| stevemar | o/ | 19:00 |
| stevemar | hehe | 19:00 |
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| AJaeger | o/ | 19:01 |
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| fungi | mordred sent his regards from jolly old england | 19:01 |
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| fungi | but supposedly _might_ show up | 19:01 |
| rcarrillocruz | o/ | 19:01 |
| Zara | we did, he has no excuse! =D | 19:01 |
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| Shrews | fungi: unlikely. it's well into beer-o'clock there | 19:02 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:02 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:02 |
| Clint | it is indeed after noon | 19:02 |
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| craige | O/ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | howdy | 19:02 |
| fungi | huh, yolanda and nibalizer aren't in channel | 19:02 |
| fungi | well, let's get started i guess | 19:03 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 16 19:03:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| olaph | o/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
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| craige | o/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | #info Due to the scheduled infra-cloud sprint, the usual IRC meeting we would hold next Tuesday (February 23) is cancelled. The next official IRC meeting for Infra will be Tuesday, March 1 at 19:00 UTC. | 19:03 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 19:04 |
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| nibalizer | o/ | 19:04 |
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| fungi | any other important sprint-related news i should cram in here before we move along? | 19:04 |
| timrc | o/ | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-02-09-19.02.html | 19:05 |
| fungi | "1. (none)" | 19:05 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:05 |
| jeblair | i did not do that | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #info Approved "Update unified mirror spec to support AFS" | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/unified_mirrors.html | 19:05 |
| AJaeger | jeblair: we all did it ;) | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #info Approved "Maintenance change to doc publishing spec" | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/doc-publishing.html | 19:05 |
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| fungi | (those links _should_ be correct once the post pipeline backlog clears) | 19:05 |
| yolanda | o/ | 19:06 |
| fungi | just in time! | 19:06 |
| fungi | #topic GSOC proposals: what about adding infra-cloud? (yolanda) | 19:06 |
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| asselin | o/ | 19:06 |
| cody-somerville | \o | 19:06 |
| yolanda | so i arrived just in time | 19:06 |
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| yolanda | i was reading that email that Victoria sent, and I thought that infra-cloud can be a good topic | 19:06 |
| yolanda | because there can be multiple efforts associated to it. I wanted to know people's feedback | 19:07 |
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| rcarrillocruz | what's the timeline for GSOC ? | 19:07 |
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| rcarrillocruz | as in, when would an intern start doing stuff | 19:07 |
| clarkb | yolanda: the biggest considerations are likely going to be that it should be a software development project that is completable by a student in 3 months of time | 19:07 |
| AJaeger | this friday AFAIK for application | 19:07 |
| yolanda | deadline is 19/02 | 19:07 |
| clarkb | do we hvae any such things for infra cloud? | 19:07 |
| rcarrillocruz | i ask cos imho there's not much room for people to do stuff | 19:07 |
| yolanda | clarkb we can isolate some task | 19:07 |
| greghaynes | That is for organizations to submit a proposal, correct? | 19:08 |
| rcarrillocruz | there may be once infra-cloud works | 19:08 |
| fungi | also, gsoc, as for outreachy, needs a clearly-defined scope. we'd need to pick a specific task or set of tasks to provide t the intern if selected | 19:08 |
| greghaynes | that deadline | 19:08 |
| rcarrillocruz | and we can talk about other topics to improve it | 19:08 |
| crinkle | it will be hard to get an intern up to speed and given a specific project in three months | 19:08 |
| rcarrillocruz | ha, monitoring, whatnot | 19:08 |
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| timrc | Moar metrics. | 19:08 |
| pabelanger | Is there a list of things currently that need help with, both GSOC and not? I know last time it was the mysql migration, but am still interested to get more involved with infracloud. | 19:08 |
| yolanda | so not infra-cloud as a topic, but some sub-task related with it | 19:08 |
| greghaynes | I think for GSoC you do not necessarially need a clearly defined task - it is really up to the organization on how they want to do it, but it is totally valid for the mentee to assist with defining the task | 19:08 |
| crinkle | it's been hard just getting our existing team up to speed and in a good position to make contributions | 19:09 |
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| fungi | like, the last outreachy we did was the codesearch.o.o deployment. it was a pretty isolated scope of work and i wrote a spec for it in advance outlining what the mentor would be expected to work through | 19:09 |
| yolanda | or yes, if infra needs more topics. I saw the wiki and nothing was proposed from infra, so there can be other things as well | 19:09 |
| cody-somerville | re: GSOC, something they can continue to work on after the summer would probably be beneficial. Something they can also point to employers is especially valuable. | 19:09 |
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| fungi | er, what the intern would be expected to work through | 19:09 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: I think we should have at least some canned ideas that are acceptabel | 19:10 |
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| greghaynes | clarkb: totally | 19:10 |
| greghaynes | I am just trying to make it known that in GSoC its our discretion, basically | 19:10 |
| greghaynes | and there are orgs which do both things | 19:10 |
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| fungi | just coming up to speed with our code-review-based workflow is rather a lot to expect out of a college student in the timespan provided for these internships | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | crinkle: I agree, infra-cloud is a big thing, so unless the tasks are specifically isolated and don't require knowledge of the whole infra-cloud setup, I think it would be hard | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | and I'm not sure that's an achievable scope | 19:11 |
| yolanda | i was thinking in some sub-tasks like monitoring, inventory management , logging | 19:11 |
| yolanda | some of the topics that are listed on the mitaka etherpad | 19:11 |
| pabelanger | There is always generic puppet work that could work. Like updating modules for example | 19:11 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i think we are not at a stage right now where we can give tasks to people till we stabilize/make it work | 19:11 |
| greghaynes | yolanda: Has there been any talk with the larger openstack community about the openstack org proposal? | 19:11 |
| rcarrillocruz | so it depeends on when the mentees really start | 19:11 |
| greghaynes | IIRC dims has done the proposal in the past | 19:11 |
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| fungi | though again, you'd need to have the solution designed and planned. easily half the internship is going to be community/toolset learning curve | 19:12 |
| yolanda | greghaynes what i know is from the wiki and the email that Victoria sent asking for help | 19:12 |
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| greghaynes | ah, ok | 19:12 |
| fungi | so for the rest of teh effort, they need some pretty clearly laid out step-by-step instructions on what you want built/implemented/whatever | 19:12 |
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| yolanda | fungi, problem i see to do that, is the deadline. It's on 19/02 so we are short of time to write something solid | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | fungi: nods | 19:13 |
| yolanda | apart from that, are there other infra efforts that can be candidates for gsoc? | 19:13 |
| fungi | i think a reasonable scope is to take some task that one of us would spend a couple days solid putting together. for a new intern. getting to the point that can be done and then working through it even with clear instructions is going to be the entirety of the allotted timeframe for the internship | 19:13 |
| zaro | yolanda: you might want to talk to zxiiro, i think his interns are 3 months as well and he got them pretty prodcutive on jjb and possibily other things. | 19:14 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i honestly think puppet openstack ci would be good for gsoc | 19:14 |
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| zaro | +1 | 19:14 |
| greghaynes | So this is an area where GSoC might work in our favor - the students are supposed to work up a proposal and mentors/orgs are supposed to work with them on making that well defined, so as long as we can define the scope of potential projects well enough I think we can leave defining details until later | 19:14 |
| rcarrillocruz | i see it's in need of some love | 19:14 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: what exactly with puppet-openstackci? | 19:14 |
| rcarrillocruz | like | 19:14 |
| rcarrillocruz | 'add gerrit' | 19:14 |
| rcarrillocruz | i mean | 19:14 |
| rcarrillocruz | there are specifics bits | 19:14 |
| rcarrillocruz | that are missing | 19:14 |
| rcarrillocruz | and are clearly defined | 19:15 |
| zaro | that's a really good project. | 19:15 |
| zxiiro | yolanda: yup. I have another intern this coming summer to work on JJB | 19:15 |
| rcarrillocruz | i just checked today and i see gerrit and other stuff missing | 19:15 |
| rcarrillocruz | and it's well defined | 19:15 |
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| fungi | yep, that might be doable. adding gerrit to puppet-openstackci is fairly well-defined in scope (if maybe slightly ambitious) | 19:15 |
| rcarrillocruz | and won't need a superhigh steep learning curve compared to infracloud | 19:15 |
| rcarrillocruz | nod, so rather than 'implement the missing bits' | 19:15 |
| rcarrillocruz | we could say 'implement gerrit, if possible implemented foo component' | 19:16 |
| zxiiro | yolanda: my advice is the project shouldn't be too difficult. 3 months isn't really a lot of time to do anything major, unless the student is especially keen. | 19:16 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i'm totally cool helping that out as mentor fungi | 19:16 |
| clarkb | I would also expect htat config mgmty things aren't that desireable | 19:16 |
| rcarrillocruz | lol | 19:16 |
| yolanda | zxiiro yes, i agree. I've been helping with mentorship as well, and the onboarding process is complicated | 19:16 |
| clarkb | I am going to guess that projects that involve writing what is generally considered code will be more desireable | 19:17 |
| rcarrillocruz | clarkb: who knows, maybe htere's people loving puppet out there :D | 19:17 |
| clarkb | shade maybe etc | 19:17 |
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| pleia2 | clarkb: there is certainly a steep learning curve there too | 19:17 |
| greghaynes | Yea, this is my feeling as well. Typical projects are around software development. | 19:17 |
| fungi | #info rcarrillocruz willing to mentor an intern to add gerrit support to puppet-openstackci | 19:17 |
| clarkb | a zuul feature | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | nodepool feature and so on | 19:17 |
| zaro | puppet not code? | 19:17 |
| greghaynes | I am trying hard to avoid that topic... | 19:17 |
| yolanda | clarkb i have to agree with that. I've had a pair of mentees and when i was proposing config management it was not good for them. They normally prefered to code with python, javascript | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | I wouldnt say "dont even try", I am just commenting on what I have seen out there | 19:18 |
| zxiiro | it's too bad GSoC must be a code project. I think documentation would be a great project. | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | zxiiro: Yea, that is a common complaint :( | 19:18 |
| jeblair | i think the codesearch project went really well | 19:18 |
| zxiiro | some of the other mentoring programs allow none code contributions | 19:18 |
| zaro | would be nice to do puppet on 1st internship then code on 2nd one. | 19:19 |
| jeblair | that was outreachy though, right? | 19:19 |
| fungi | yep | 19:19 |
| fungi | outreachy | 19:19 |
| fungi | (formerly gnome opw) | 19:19 |
| jeblair | so not the same restrictions | 19:19 |
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| fungi | it seems a bit more open (and also decidedly non-google in nature) | 19:20 |
| fungi | actual open community organizing the program rather than closed, secretive corporation with own agendas | 19:20 |
| greghaynes | IMO any program which can potentially get more people involved is a win | 19:21 |
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| greghaynes | so, why not both :) | 19:21 |
| pleia2 | I'm mentored out | 19:21 |
| fungi | okay, well that was some excellent brainstorming, i don't want to lose the entire meeting to this but does someone want to summarize? maybe interested mentors sign up per vkmc's call for help, or at least continue working out options on the infra ml first? | 19:21 |
| fungi | greghaynes: certainly, i'm not opposed to either, it's just that outreachy seems a little more in touch with free software than gsoc | 19:22 |
| greghaynes | Yep | 19:22 |
| yolanda | i think mailing list is a good idea. We have time until friday | 19:22 |
| timrc | pleia2: lol | 19:22 |
| jeblair | it seems like we have more potential options for outreachy | 19:22 |
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| jeblair | at the moment, at least | 19:22 |
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| rcarrillocruz | fungi: wfm | 19:23 |
| fungi | yeah, so maybe we save more codey-type-things for gsoc and spend our more general work options on outreachy when it comes around again | 19:23 |
| fungi | or something like that | 19:23 |
| fungi | #topic CentOS / Fedora AFS mirror hacking request (pabelanger) | 19:23 |
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| timrc | We should just have someone add -y to everything... zuuly? Much better | 19:23 |
| pabelanger | ohai! | 19:23 |
| pabelanger | talked a little about this with mordred and jeblair last week | 19:24 |
| fungi | [afs everywhere] | 19:24 |
| pabelanger | just wanted to see what is needed from myside to start hacking on afs? | 19:24 |
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| fungi | probably start with a spec? | 19:24 |
| jeblair | fungi: good thing it's a global filesystem | 19:24 |
| pabelanger | I have local sync scripts, but don't have AFS setup locally | 19:24 |
| fungi | jeblair: touché | 19:24 |
| pabelanger | fungi: Oh, didn't think we need new specs for each distro | 19:25 |
| pabelanger | but I can add that | 19:25 |
| jeblair | well, there's no reason this needs to be particularly complicated | 19:25 |
| fungi | maybe not | 19:25 |
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| fungi | it's possible the wording in the unified mirrors spec is sufficient to cover our needs on this | 19:25 |
| fungi | at a minimum, you likely want to copy most of what's being done for the apt mirrors | 19:25 |
| fungi | but it sounded like instead of reprepro it's just rsync for rpm mirrors? | 19:26 |
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| pabelanger | Yup, I think it is good shape locally, but things like using k5start are not being tested atm | 19:26 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: well, if you think it's mostly there, we can just put it into production and see what breaks :) | 19:26 |
| fungi | yeah, are there changes proposed to implement it yet? | 19:26 |
| jeblair | wrapping a command in k5start isn't too hard | 19:26 |
| fungi | we already have several k5start use examples at this point | 19:26 |
| pabelanger | okay, I am fine with that. As long as people know it is untested | 19:27 |
| fungi | partly untested additions of new services like this are understandable | 19:27 |
| jeblair | yeah, it'll be on its own volume and shouldn't interfere with anything else | 19:27 |
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| pabelanger | okay, so I'll clean up the scripts and get a review up | 19:27 |
| fungi | untested major changes to existing services/systems are slightly harder to stomach | 19:27 |
| jeblair | so i don't think we have to get it perfect before landing it | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | an infra-root who isn't me should sign up for volume and service principal creation | 19:28 |
| jeblair | and i should back that person up | 19:28 |
| fungi | i'm willing, though my bandwidth is pretty terrible at the moment so it might happen faster if someone else volunteers | 19:28 |
| jeblair | fungi: ++bindep :) | 19:28 |
| fungi | indeed | 19:29 |
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| fungi | (also part of being ptl is that i'm supposed to learn to stop volunteering to do everything myself!) | 19:29 |
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| jeblair | well, if no one steps up, i'm going to use random.choice(). :) | 19:30 |
| fungi | *chirp* *chirp* how did that cricket get into an irc channel? | 19:30 |
| Clint | brute force | 19:31 |
| jeblair | pleia2: you win! | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | ok :) | 19:31 |
| fungi | yay! | 19:32 |
| fungi | she didn't even protest | 19:32 |
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| fungi | pabelanger: so once your changes are close to being ready, reach out to pleia2. maybe after she's done being our beast of burden for the infra-cloud sprint | 19:32 |
| pabelanger | fungi: roger | 19:32 |
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| fungi | any other questions on the rpm mirroring topic? | 19:33 |
| pabelanger | no sir | 19:33 |
| * fungi could get used to being called "sir" | 19:33 | |
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| fungi | you didn't even add "you're making a scene" | 19:33 |
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| fungi | #topic Serving REST API docs (annegentle) | 19:34 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/276484 | 19:34 |
| annegentle | o/ | 19:34 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/086467.html | 19:34 |
| annegentle | I updated Friday to clarify more for jhesketh and others in the same boat | 19:34 |
| fungi | haven't seen jhesketh pop up in meeting today, for his sake i hope he's still asleep | 19:35 |
| annegentle | heh srsly | 19:35 |
| annegentle | maybe mordred had a chance to review | 19:36 |
| * annegentle says hopefully | 19:36 | |
| annegentle | here for Qs if you need me | 19:36 |
| fungi | he's also not in meeting today, using "travel" as an excuse or something ;) | 19:36 |
| annegentle | ha | 19:36 |
| annegentle | dat happens | 19:36 |
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| fungi | but anyway, it looks like a pretty well fleshed out spec, so hopefully we can get a few more eyes on it | 19:36 |
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| jeblair | wasn't there some talk about not needing a running server because it's basically just serving json files that don't really change (very often)? | 19:37 |
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| annegentle | jeblair: they could change as often as WADL | 19:38 |
| annegentle | jeblair: basically JSON as doc source | 19:38 |
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| annegentle | jeblair: it's not only request and response JSON. it's JSON that describes the API | 19:38 |
| jeblair | right, but they change when the api changes, which is not moment to moment | 19:38 |
| annegentle | jeblair: except for the hundreds of bugs existing in the WADLs? | 19:39 |
| jeblair | i think serving static files is the cool new thing and i don't want us to be behind the times :) | 19:39 |
| fungi | it sounded like there were two things the docs team wanted: a way to serve api reference details generated by a tool (that could in theory be static), and then a solution for interactive api examples (which would need its own service but could in theory be hosted separately and stitched together via a proxy) | 19:39 |
| annegentle | heh | 19:39 |
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| annegentle | fungi: yes, this spec is only for the former for now | 19:39 |
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| jeblair | we should probably point mordred at the spec, since i think he's looked into this some | 19:41 |
| annegentle | jeblair: yeah | 19:41 |
| * annegentle awaits patiently | 19:41 | |
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| annegentle | I would like an end date for a decision, because we'll need to double-down on the static site work if we can't get this implemented this release... | 19:42 |
| fungi | and other than that i guess we need to make sure it integrates sufficiently with the updated publishing spec being finalized at https://review.openstack.org/276482 | 19:43 |
| jeblair | annegentle: yeah, my vague recollection was basically that the json that swagger generates ought to be able to be generated each time the api changes and hosted statically, rather than needing a running service. but that's where everything gets fuzzy and i shouldn't take up more time in the meeting. | 19:43 |
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| annegentle | jeblair: sure want mordred's take on this spec as a phase one then so I can get to that awesome state | 19:44 |
| annegentle | fungi: yeah integration I basically ignore in the spec. | 19:44 |
| fungi | i do recall that it ends up being an annotated interactive api that we then need the job to serve locally and connect to, dump the results of querying it, and then feed that into a publication solution | 19:44 |
| jeblair | i guess, to try to bring it on topic -- if i'm describing something that has been considered and discarded, would probably be good to have it in the alternatives | 19:44 |
| annegentle | jeblair: yep good point. I'll see what I can find out. | 19:45 |
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| jeblair | fungi: that seems feasible | 19:45 |
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| fungi | also on a purely non-content note, 276484 needs to update the infra-specs index to add an entry for itself to the approved list | 19:46 |
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| annegentle | fungi: okie | 19:46 |
| fungi | i just tried to view the draft rendering and realized it's not indexed | 19:46 |
| fungi | easy to overlook | 19:46 |
| jeblair | oh, yeah, we don't do the auto-index because of $important_reasons | 19:46 |
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| jeblair | (i think url permanence was one of them) | 19:47 |
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| fungi | i apologize for not finding time to read this spec yet, so don't have a lot of good feedback and am not in a position to make any detailed implementation recommendations in meeting. it sounds like the two core reviewers who had been looking at it are through circumstance not available today | 19:48 |
| annegentle | ok | 19:48 |
| annegentle | carry on with other agenda items then, I'm good | 19:48 |
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| jeblair | i think it's great getting this written down though | 19:49 |
| jeblair | annegentle: thanks :) | 19:49 |
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| annegentle | jeblair: sure | 19:49 |
| fungi | so anyway, we should probably continue discussion on the review itself for now, and can punt to re-discussing in the march 1 meeting if necessary (next week the meeting is on hiatus for our infra-cloud sprint) | 19:49 |
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| fungi | thanks annegentle for putting that together! | 19:49 |
| annegentle | ok, that gives me a date too which we'll keep in mind for next steps | 19:49 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:50 |
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| pleia2 | we have our infra-cloud sprint coming up in a few days :) | 19:50 |
| fungi | light agenda, so we have 10 minutes for whatever | 19:50 |
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| crinkle | hiya, to try to answer the question "I want to help with infra-cloud but I don't know where to start" I started working on https://github.com/cmurphy/infracloud-development | 19:50 |
| fungi | pleia2: yes! thanks for putting the sprint together | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | let me know if you have any questions about where to go or anything, everything should be in the wiki | 19:50 |
| crinkle | hoping it can help people do reviews and make changes | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/InfraMitakaSprint | 19:50 |
| craige | Thanks crinkle | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | I've never been there either, so it should be interesting :) | 19:51 |
| ianw | i have a bunch of patches out for installing d-i-b from git on nodepool. does anyone have opinions on this? i might have to turn it into a spec, because the reviews didn't get consensus | 19:51 |
| fungi | crinkle: ooh, that looks like an excellent intro | 19:51 |
| Clint | crinkle: neat | 19:51 |
| pabelanger | crinkle: thanks, bookmarking | 19:51 |
| zaro | do we have any update on maniphest migration? is that still gonna happen? | 19:51 |
| crinkle | if people think it's useful I could potentially move it to an examples/ dir in the puppet-infracloud module | 19:51 |
| craige | I've been stymied by conferences (LCA) and the HP cloud transition. | 19:52 |
| pabelanger | Also, just a reminder. We have atleast 2 -infra specific talks for Austin, 7578 and 7337 if you are interested in voting. Additionally, if others have submitted something, Please send them this way | 19:52 |
| rcarrillocruz | oh yeah | 19:53 |
| rcarrillocruz | good call | 19:53 |
| rcarrillocruz | i have not voted | 19:53 |
| rcarrillocruz | will check them out, thx | 19:53 |
| craige | there's only one issue outstanding from my perspective zaro and patches that need reviews. | 19:53 |
| fungi | pabelanger: in fact there are a ton of infra-specific talks proposed, though those are definitely the front-runners ;) | 19:53 |
| zaro | craige: topic? | 19:54 |
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| craige | Manifest | 19:54 |
| fungi | zaro: as defined at http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/maniphest.html#gerrit-topic | 19:54 |
| craige | Ugh, Maniphest | 19:54 |
| fungi | hopefully | 19:54 |
| zaro | thanks, will take a look | 19:55 |
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| craige | \I/ | 19:55 |
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| craige | autocorrect fails. | 19:56 |
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| fungi | looks like we've actually exhausted open discussion as well, so i'll end this a couple minutes early for a change | 19:58 |
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| fungi | thanks everybody! | 19:58 |
| AJaeger | thanks, fungi! | 19:58 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:58 | |
| rcarrillocruz | thanks, ttyl | 19:58 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 16 19:58:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-02-16-19.03.html | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-02-16-19.03.txt | 19:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-02-16-19.03.log.html | 19:58 |
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| fungi | hope to see many of you in colorado next week! | 19:58 |
| Clint | where it will be nice and warm | 19:58 |
| rcarrillocruz | hah | 19:59 |
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| jeblair | Clint: looks to me like it'll be downright cold | 20:01 |
| Clint | jeblair: it was 3°F here this weekend | 20:01 |
| Clint | everything is relative | 20:02 |
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| fungi | tc meeting cancelled today? | 20:04 |
| fungi | i probably missed the announcement | 20:04 |
| edleafe | thought that flaper87 was going to run it | 20:05 |
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| dhellmann | I think we were going to see if there was quorum | 20:05 |
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| annegentle | I think the latest note to the -tc mailing list said to vote on stuff and reconvene later. | 20:06 |
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| edleafe | ok, then - who on the TC is here? | 20:06 |
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| fungi | i think that cricket sneaked in during the infra team meeting | 20:12 |
| fungi | heard it a few times last hour | 20:12 |
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