Thursday, 2016-02-18

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thinrichsHi all.  Time for the congress meeting.00:00
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thinrichsramineni, ekcs, pballand: courtesy poing00:02
thinrichshi all00:02
thinrichsShort agenda this week.  Just want to go through statuses and discuss progress on the distributed arch.00:02
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thinrichsWho wants to go first and tell us what you've been up to?00:03
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thinrichsekcs: how about you?00:04
ekcsI've added to each heartbeat payload the list of target:tables each node subscribes to. WIP because tests are incomplete.00:04
ekcsNext step is changing the policy engines to use that information. Not completely straightforward because the current trigger mechanism is dependent on a handler being called each time a subs/unsubs occurs.00:04
ekcsStraigtforward migration would make dseNode generate handler calls as it observes change in subscribed tables owned by each service. Seems inefficient, but it seems like the only solution short of dismantling the policy engines.00:04
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ekcsAlso fixed a simple bug I came upon during the heartbeat work.
thinrichsWhy would the handler calls be inefficient?  Once per subscription, right?00:05
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ekcsyes, but the node needs to keep taking deltas on every heartbeat to determine when to call the handlers.00:06
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thinrichsWhat if the heartbeat contained deltas?00:07
thinrichsI even wondered if we should publish subscribers as a special table and leverage the delta computation for regular tables.00:07
thinrichsOr are deltas a problem for heartbeats?00:08
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ekcsyea that’s an idea I’ve been thinjing about too. pballand you have any thoughts?00:08
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pballandI’m confused...00:09
pballandwhat is the inefficiency?00:09
pballandlooking for new nodes to publish data to?00:09
ekcscomputing what has changed in the list of subscribed tables each time a heartbeat is recieved.00:10
ekcsin order to update the publish triggers in say agnostic.00:11
pballandeach node knows what tables it can publish; it maintains a list of subscribers for each table… right so far?00:11
ekcsI think it’ll be fine, but not most elegant. the more general question is whether there is a problem with sending diffs over heartbeat.00:12
ekcsyes basically.00:12
ekcsright now I have it maintaining whether a table HAS subscribers. but can easily do it differently.00:12
pballandso when a node receives a heartbeat, it updates the publish targets for each table… what is the problem?00:12
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ekcsit’s not a problem. I think it’ll work fine and it’s what i’m going for right now. just inelegant because we translate a diff signal into a state signal and then back into a diff signal.00:14
thinrichspballand: are there ordering issues with heartbeats?  Do the heartbeats always get delivered?00:14
pballandfor table in peer_subscriptions: if self.has_table(): self.update_subscriber(peer)00:14
pballandthinrichs: yes, no00:14
pballandnodes can come up and down at any time - they can certainly miss updates00:15
pballandI don’t see what problem deltas are solving other than reducing a trivial amount of computation00:15
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thinrichsSo it sounds that publishing all subscribers in every heartbeat and computing deltas is fine computationally, right pballand?00:16
thinrichsekcs: does that sound right to you?00:16
ekcsthinrichs: I agree.00:16
ekcsbut ultimately I think it’ll be architecturally cleaner to use a special table that contains subscriptions. and use the general mechansim for syncing tables.00:17
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ekcsnot sure if pballand sees any issues with that.00:17
pballandekcs: that sounds fancy :) no problem with that00:18
pballandthinrichs: (right)00:18
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ekcsbut in the mean time i’m just aiming to get the basic funcitonality done using heartbeat.00:18
pballand(we’re talking a few dozen/hundred hash lookups + string comparisons - pretty trivial)00:18
ekcsthat’s all from me.00:19
thinrichsekcs: sounds good.  We can revisit later as we get a better handle on the pain points.00:19
thinrichsLet's move on.00:19
thinrichsramineni: want to go next?00:19
ramineni1exception related bug is complete, now i guess all the tests are enabled in api-models and wrkng fine00:20
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ramineni1im looking into migrating datasource model00:20
thinrichsramineni1: what's your plan for the datasource model?  In particular for creating/deleting datasources.00:21
ramineni1thinrichs: I saw your comment on the patch, about moving into dse node00:21
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thinrichsramineni1: I asked partly for me but also for everyone else, so we can get everyone thinking about it.00:22
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ramineni1thinrichs: im thinking about keeping manager as seperate file and adding reference to dsenode,00:22
ramineni1thinrichs: now accoring to harness change , all api models will have a node attribute right00:23
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thinrichsramineni1: each api model will have a reference to the DataService they live inside.00:24
thinrichswhich is a little weird,00:24
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thinrichsbut it seems clear that the API models need to send RPC calls, either to other dataServices or to DseNodes.00:24
thinrichsSo yes each api model will have a reference to its service, and each service has a reference to its node, so the API can invoke rpc calls on DseNodes.00:25
pballandthat sounds reasonable to me - what do you find weird about that thinrichs?00:26
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thinrichsJust the usual OO stuff: API model is a member of DataService, and DataService is a member of DseNode, but API model also has a reference to both the DataService and DseNode that contain it.00:27
pballandthe model doesn’t need a ref to the node, right?00:28
pballand(agreed that having a ref to both is weird)00:28
ekcsthinrichs: I thought API model is subclass of DataService?00:29
pballandthe service can have methods to invoke RPCs to hide the fact that it’s calling the node to do it00:29
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thinrichspballand: That's what we're doing with the RPCs that go to other DataServices.00:29
thinrichspballand: with the create/delete datasource, however, the natural place is to put that code into the DseNode (not the service), which means the APi-model is RPCing into the Node.00:29
ramineni_back, sorry, power failure00:30
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thinrichsekcs: not any more.00:30
pballandthinrichs: right - any concerns with exposing a method on service for invoking node rpcs?00:30
thinrichspballand: nope—that seems to be the right abstraction: having a dataservice_rpc and a dsenode_rpc (or something with better names) defined in the API-model base class.00:31
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thinrichsekcs: we didn't think that having each API model as a separate dataservice made sense.00:31
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pballandthinrichs: ok, I thanks for clearing that up for me00:31
thinrichsThough now is the time to debate that.00:32
pballands/I thanks/thanks00:32
thinrichspballand: np00:32
thinrichsMaybe we should talk that through quickly...00:32
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thinrichsTwo options for the API-models and how they are deployed on the DSE2....00:33
thinrichs1. Each API-model is its own DataService00:33
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thinrichs2. All API-models are encapsulated within 1 DataService00:33
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thinrichspballand: correct me if I'm wrong...00:34
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pballandI had assumed 2; what’s the advantage to 1.?00:34
thinrichsPutting each API model into its own DataService is awkward given that there is 1 router describes how to map http requests to API-models.00:34
ekcsmakes sense.00:35
thinrichsHere's a change where we're moving to (2)00:35
thinrichspballand: I had assumed (2) as well, but we had (in my mind temporarily) implemented (1)00:36
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thinrichsramineni: any thoughts about option 1 versus 2?00:37
thinrichs(Before I forget again, masahito let me know he's on a plane to Tokyo right now, which is why he couldn't make it.)00:37
ramineni_thinrichs: ya, 2 makes more sense, but does your harness change propsed now covers that00:37
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ramineni_thinrichs: i thought you were passing reference to teh node it is registered00:38
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thinrichsramineni_: I think my patch covers that—changes the base class of  base.APIModel to object and then passes a reference to the DataService in the constructor.00:39
thinrichs(I'm planning on changing self.bus to self.service or the like.)00:39
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thinrichsSo then if we move the create/delete datasource logic into DseNode, …00:40
thinrichswe'll add an invoke_node_rpc (or similar) to that file and call it from the datasource_model00:40
thinrichswhenever we need to create/delete a datasource.00:40
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ramineni_thinrichs: oh, got it00:41
pballandsounds good to me00:41
ramineni_thinrichs: will change accordingly00:41
thinrichsekcs: what do you think?00:41
ekcsthinrichs: seems to make sense.00:42
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ekcsso each model has a ref to the containing service.00:42
thinrichspballand: want to look at my change to see if it's what you were moving toward?  Anything that's going to bite me later?00:42
thinrichsekcs: yep00:42
ekcsand then it can get a ref to the containing node through the containing service.00:43
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ekcsbut we’re encapsulating interaction with the node within a method.00:43
thinrichsekcs: yep00:43
thinrichsSo it should all be hidden from the model.00:44
ekcssounds sensible.00:44
thinrichsThat's a pretty natural segue to my status update…00:45
thinrichsThe patch I linked to earlier is trying to replace the old harness with a new harness ...00:46
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thinrichs(where we initialize the message bus, add the policy engine, API, previously configured datasources, etc. to the bus).00:46
thinrichsSeems to be going mostly okay.00:47
thinrichsFor testing, I realized I should be porting (or at least taking inspiration from) the old test_congress.00:47
thinrichsSo the idea for the tests is….00:47
thinrichsUse harness to spin up a DseNode along with the policy engine and API.00:48
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thinrichsUse API calls to create (fake) datasources…00:48
thinrichsUse API calls to create policies, add rules, etc.00:48
thinrichsThe goal is not to have comprehensive API tests, but rather to make sure everything is hooked up right00:48
thinrichson the bus.00:48
thinrichsThe only bit that we won't be testing is the web server that maps HTTP requests down to the API models.00:49
thinrichs(Above I should have said 'Use API-models to create (fake) datasources')00:49
thinrichsHow does that testing sound?00:50
ramineni_thinrichs: sounds good to me00:50
pballandsounds good to me00:50
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ekcsmakes sense.00:51
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thinrichsOnce we get all the unit(ish) tests passing, hopefully that'll get us a long way toward a working system.00:51
thinrichsmasahito is working on the next level up from harness: getting the server started...00:52
thinrichsOnce those 3 pieces are in place (server, harness, datasource-model), I think we might need to move to tempest-level tests.00:52
thinrichsDoes that sound right?00:53
ramineni_but tempest doesn't change much right00:54
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ramineni_it should work as it is, with changed config option00:54
thinrichsI guess we'd be testing masahito's server change.00:55
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thinrichsBut you're right that we're API compatible, so the devstack scripts should work...00:55
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thinrichsI guess we're not using any real rabbitMQ yet, so even that shouldn't change.00:55
thinrichsTime check…4 minutes left.00:56
thinrichs#topic open discussion00:56
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thinrichsAlmost ran out of time.  Anyone have anything else to discuss?00:56
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thinrichsThat's it for today then.  Thanks all!  Let's keep plugging away to get this all in place for Mitaka!00:59
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DaisyWe will start i18n meeting soon.12:59
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Daisy#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb 18 13:00:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'13:00
eumel8hi ho13:00
DaisyHi, eumel813:00
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Daisyjftalta: Welcome13:00
eumel8Hi Daisy13:01
katomoHi, Daisy, eumel813:01
eumel8Hi katomo13:01
doug-fishhi all13:01
katomohi jftalta ianychoi_phone13:01
DaisyGreat. It looks like we have all people here.13:01
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DaisyThen let's start.13:01
katomohi doug-fish13:01
Daisy#topic Follow up with translation check website13:01
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Daisyeumel8: can you describe the status of this work ?13:02
DaisyI was a week away and I'm a little lost.13:02
katomohi ujuc13:02
eumel8yes, review is starting. we're in the 2nd round. Fixed some issues, awaiting response drom infra team13:02
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DaisyThank you.13:03
doug-fishthat's great! do you have a link to the patch?13:03
DaisyAre there anything left that we can help ?13:03
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eumel8maybe we can ask for more support from infra if they have time13:04
DaisyWhat kind of support ?13:04
Daisyquick response, maybe . :)13:04
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eumel8for review13:05
Daisyok. I will talk with pleia2 to see if she can spend more time with us.13:05
ujuchi katomo :)13:06
DaisyAnything else ? eumel813:06
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eumel8no, I think we're in a final stadium13:07
DaisyThank you, eumel8.13:07
DaisyLet's move to next topic then.13:07
Daisy#topic Get ready for Mitaka translation13:07
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DaisyAccording to the Mitaka schedule, string freeze will happen in first week of March13:08
DaisyI hope we could have a discussion here to figure out a TODO list before we start Mitaka translation.13:08
DaisyI mean, we get ourselves ready for Mitaka translation.13:09
DaisySomething in my mind.13:09
eumel8priority list on Zanate should be updated13:09
Daisyeumel8: Exactly.13:09
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Daisy1. Priority list on Zanata13:10
katomoI'll take13:10
DaisyThank you, katomo13:10
katomo#action katomo email priority list on Zanata13:11
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Daisy2. Use a clear communication method, even local language communication.13:12
katomoanything else?13:12
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katomogood point13:13
DaisyI think we use a clear unique communication method this time.13:13
DaisyI perfer IRC.13:13
DaisyIf you need, we could create special IRC channel for different language team.13:13
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DaisyIf you don't need, we use openstack-i18n to communicate any problems we meet during translation.13:14
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doug-fishIt would be great if the language teams documented their preferred communication tool - is that done already?13:14
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jftaltaa special IRC channel for each language team is a good idea13:14
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eumel8for small team it's not necessary13:15
Daisykatomo, ujuc, ianychoi_phone: thoughts ?13:15
katomoI think special channel is a good idea13:15
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katomohowever, we japanese team has own Gitter chat room13:16
Daisykatomo: do you think you will change to IRC or continue to use Gitter chat room ?13:17
ianychoi_phoneMe and ujuc encourages Korean people to use #openstack-ko channel, but few one uses it.13:17
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Daisyeither we use a unique method, or we document clearly.13:17
eumel8there is a special team page in i18n wiki. you can provide your favorite communication channel there.13:18
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DaisyBecause after we start the busy translation, I hope each language team could have a good communication way.13:18
Daisygood point, eumel8.13:18
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ujucno. we team not using irc...13:19
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Daisyujuc: what communication method do you use ?13:19
ujucslack and offline meeting :)13:20
ujucan facebook :013:20
Daisyujuc: I think it's not good to use offline meeting. :)13:20
doug-fishDaisy - I'm not sure if you shared that we will have IBM translators participating significantly in the translation of Mitaka (I guess if you haven't I just did) ...13:20
doug-fishI'd like to be able to easily direct them to their proper language team communication channels so they can work cooperatively13:21
Daisydoug-fish: No, you go ahead.13:21
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doug-fishwe will have IBM translators participating significantly in the translation of Mitaka13:21
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doug-fishwe expect to cover the languages and components that we have previously contributed via batch updates13:22
doug-fishI hope we don't have any more batch updates13:22
doug-fishThese are experienced and skilled translators, but they aren't necessarily familiar with OpenStack, our tools, or processes13:23
doug-fishI'm working with Daisy to prepare some education to help make sure they are effective ... and again, back to my original question, what's a good way to get them engaged with their language teams?13:24
eumel8In Zanata you find only nicks and names in language groups13:26
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DaisyBefore, IBM translated downstream and then contributed upstream in batch. This time, they want to use the correct way - working directly with us and following community process.13:27
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katomoJapanese team welcome IBM translators join our gitter room.13:27
DaisyThe good thing is we will have more resources and cover more components.13:27
DaisyThe bad thing is they are new comers and need our guidances.13:28
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DaisySorry, not the bad thing. I use a wrong word.13:28
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DaisyThe disadvantage. :)13:28
katomowe need new comers any time, and welcome.13:29
eumel8IBM guys are welcome, yes13:29
Daisyso this time, we must use a open and clearly defined communication way, which could allow new comers in different time locale to join us easily.13:29
jftaltawelcome in the french team too13:29
DaisyThank you for the kindness, team.13:29
doug-fishyes thank you. I'm very excited about this participation.13:30
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eumel8french team has also a wiki page, I saw. This should be the central information point for each language team in each language.13:31
eumel8contact addresses are also there13:32
katomojapanese team has, too.13:32
doug-fishare the links off of the pages you are referring to?13:33
ujuckorea team has, too :)13:33
eumel8so, it's standard :)13:33
doug-fishgood - that makes things much easier!13:33
katomodoug-fish: yes, linked from there "in Japanse :)"13:34
eumel8de - we haven't. I will contact our team lead.13:34
Daisydoug-fish: can you tell us more detail about your plan ? for example, how many translators, which projects do you want to cover and which languages ?13:36
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doug-fishThe languages and components are exactly the same set that we have contributed via batch before13:37
DaisyWill you send people to translate Horizon ?13:37
doug-fishyes some - mostly because I want to make sure they are interacting with the translation teams13:38
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doug-fishIt seems that there are about 4 people involved from each translation center ... but I am guessing that's probably one project manager, one people manager, and two people who will actually be translating13:38
DaisyI still don't know how many Horizon plugin will be covered in this release.13:38
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doug-fishThe only plugin we are thinking about is the neutron-lbaas-dashboard, but it's not ready for translation yet13:39
doug-fishWe do have a need to translate many of the services that the team hasn't normally covered13:40
doug-fishCeilometer Cinder Glance Heat Keystone Neutron Nova and Swift13:40
Daisydoug-fish: I hope that IBM could make Horizon the last priority after they translate other components.13:40
doug-fishWhat are the current plans for Nova?13:41
Daisyno plan, actually.13:41
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DaisyActually, from the experience of last time translation, I don't think community translators want to translate back-end messages.13:41
doug-fishI expect the IBM translators will need to handle then13:41
Daisyso if IBM want to translate back-end messages, IBM do.13:42
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DaisyFor horizon, it's open for all people. I think community translators will make it first priority.13:42
katomoDaisy: agree13:42
doug-fishLanguages I expect to have IBM translators for: de es  fr  it  ja  ko_KR  pt_BR  ru  zh_CN  zh_TW13:43
jftaltaHorizon still remains a priority for the french team13:43
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DaisyThank you, jftalta13:43
doug-fishDaisy - I'm still thinking about priorities for the IBM translators ... I'd like to have them translate a small number of messages in Horizon to make sure their work gets reviewed and they are working in a manner consistent with the community.13:44
doug-fishDo you think that's okay?13:44
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eumel8doug-fish: maybe you guys can also help translating Release Notes, because it's not ATC related13:46
jftaltadoug-fish: good idea, imho13:46
katomodoug-fish: good idea13:46
jftaltaAnd this will be a way for them to increase their OpenStack knowledge.13:47
doug-fisheumel8: surprisingly, I may not be able to ask them to do that ... but I'll look into it a bit more13:47
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doug-fishjftalta: yes, exactly13:47
katomoeumel8: we have new reno tools, not a wiki, which doesn't have traslation feature AFAIK.13:47
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eumel8ah, ok13:48
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Daisydoug-fish: If IBM translators follow the TM and glossary, read the guidances ( if some language teams have ), IBM translators will work in a consistent manner, in theory.13:49
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katomo#action katomo contact reno team to ask whether reno has translation feature13:49
doug-fishDaisy: understood. But sometimes theory !== reality.13:49
Daisydoug-fish: exactly.13:50
eumel8thx, katomo13:50
jftaltaTheory ? Don't know this country ;)13:50
doug-fishReality is sometimes a foreign place as well.13:51
jftaltayes, unfortunately13:51
doug-fishSo again, please let me know if this participation is not working well for any language team. It will be very new for our translators and I want to help make sure it is handled well.13:52
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DaisySo I will make sure each language team have a clear communication method documented.13:53
DaisyWhat else we need to do before we start Mitaka translation ?13:53
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katomomay be nothing13:54
katomo#action Daisy make sure each language team have a clear communication method documented13:54
DaisyThank you, katomo13:54
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Daisy#open discussion13:54
Daisy#topic open discussions13:55
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eumel8Glossary management? Are there some progress?13:55
DaisyGood point, eumel8.13:55
eumel8I think it's also important for new translators13:55
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Daisydo you agree we send patches to i18n repo directly to update the glossary ?13:56
jftaltaGlossary is a true issue, for sure13:56
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katomoI'm okay as work around at now13:57
jftaltaWe need a way to share and update the local language glossary in an efficient manner13:57
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DaisyThese are what we have.13:58
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katomojftalta: agree, but it seems to need looooooong discussion13:58
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DaisyI remember Zanata will provide glossary editor feature in some version, I forget the number.13:59
jftaltakatomo: really ?13:59
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DaisyI forget the version number.13:59
katomoDaisy and amotoki tried at once, but not complete.13:59
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DaisyI'm looking forward to this feature which can give an easy way to edit glossaries.14:00
jftaltadaisy: ok. And what could be the git workflow ?14:00
eumel8I think it's to discuss in the language team and then we come together in next meeting14:00
eumel8because ... time is over :)14:00
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Daisyjftalta: if you have any updates to glossaries, send a patch to update your po file.14:01
Daisyok, eumel8.14:01
DaisyLet's close it soon.14:01
jftaltadaisy: ok, got it.14:01
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DaisyThank you guys for attending.14:01
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DaisyWe have a good discussion today.14:01
eumel8thanks all14:02
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DaisyI will close the meeting then.14:02
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jftaltaThank you Daisy. Goobye everybody14:02
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ujucThanks bye :)14:02
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jproulx1#startmeeting ops tags14:03
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb 18 14:03:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jproulx1. Information about MeetBot at
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jproulx1#topic Roll Call14:03
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jproulx1Good morning all, if you're here for ops tags meeting please say Hi so I know you're out there...14:04
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jproulx1Hmmm, seems we have zero attendees.14:08
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jproulx1Will wait till 10 past the hour and close up14:09
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jproulx1#info ending meeting due to lack of attendance (many members traveling this week so not totally surprising)14:11
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gordc#startmeeting telemetry15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb 18 15:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at
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gordclet's start this.15:03
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gordc#topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers)
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gordci don't really have any items anymore15:03
gordcwe're freezing in ~2 weeks15:04
gordcbut realistically, the gate will be broken/flooded in 1 week15:04
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gordcso if you don't have a finalised working item by next wednesday. you are sol15:05
ildikovgordc: +115:05
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gordcanyone with critical bps/features should raise them this week15:05
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gordcif not, i'm not actually targetting anything for FFE, (assuming composite alarms merges)15:06
liushengcan composite alarm feature be in? :)15:06
gordcliusheng: yep. i'm waiting on that.15:06
liamjigordc: can lbaas v2 in? :)15:06
gordci think once you apply jd__'s suggestion we can merge15:07
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* jd__ nods15:07
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gordcliamji: possibly? um. let's run through the projects and we can raise bps then15:07
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gordc#topic aodh topics15:08
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liushengoh, I just found that comment , will address it15:08
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liamjigordc: okey, thanks15:08
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gordcanythin for aodh?15:08
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liushenggordc: I just want you suggestion about
gordci will probably create an aodhclient release based on whatever is in by end of friday15:09
ildikovgordc: do we still plan SQL-support only for Aodh?15:09
liushenggordc: about the output form of alarm list command15:09
gordcildikov: i believe the deprecation item was merged15:09
gordcliusheng: i'm ok with displaying less details in alarm list15:09
ildikovgordc: ok, cool, I will add a note to the install docs then15:09
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liushenggordc: OK, thanks15:10
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gordcliusheng: i have a small preference to still group by type but i don't really care that much15:10
ildikovgordc: tnx!15:10
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gordcanyone else think we enforce type when listing alarms?15:11
liushenggordc: how about support query filters which can include type=xxx ?15:11
llu-laptopwhen listing alarms, do we plan to list type specific attributes? or just list common attributes?15:12
gordcliusheng: that would be mandatory if we drop type.  currently everything we do enforces type so it does break the pattern slightly15:12
gordcllu-laptop: common attributes. severity, active, status, etc...15:13
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gordcliusheng: maybe just split it in two. one that minimises the information display15:13
gordcand another that proposes to drop mandatory --type15:13
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liushenggordc: agree, I will try it15:14
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gordcliusheng: thanks15:14
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liushenggordc: what do you think query filter support in alarm list command ?15:14
ljxiashgordc: can we have alarm type in the output of alarm-list?15:15
gordcliusheng: i didn't really look at that part... there is a search command already though15:15
liushengllu-laptop: you can use -c to specify column that is supportted by cliff15:15
gordcljxiash: yes, if we drop type15:15
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liushenggordc: I personally don't think we need complex query for alarms, maybe we can support query filters and pagination ;)15:16
ildikovliusheng: :( complex query is cool :)15:16
liushengildikov: :) just personal thoughts15:17
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jd__I tend to agree with liusheng15:17
gordcliusheng: let's leave it off. i'm pretty sure 'aodh alarm search' does what you want to accomlish15:18
gordcr-mibu: do you think the tempest items will be finished?15:18
r-mibugordc: hmm, i'll try :)15:18
gordcr-mibu: is this blocking us?
r-mibugordc: right15:19
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r-mibuI'll ask my colleagues to put +215:19
ildikovliusheng: no worries, I was just kidding, I still think it's cool, but I will not force you to add it if you don't want to :)15:20
gordcit's been a few months so i guess you can start bothering people15:20
r-mibuok ;)15:20
gordcr-mibu: we can maybe extend it for tempest tests since it's just testing we're adding15:20
gordcwe'll decide next week15:21
gordcanything else aodh related?15:21
r-mibuok, nothing from my side15:21
gordc#topic ceilometer topics15:22
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gordcis the caching topic from last week?15:22
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ityaptin_Folks, if you will have a minute could you take a look onto CR for the Nova metadata caching? super strong desire to put it into Mitaka :)
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_nadya_gordc: what caching? :) metadata, transformers, events?15:24
gordcsigh... that turned out to be much much larger than i hoped/expected15:24
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_nadya_gordc: it's because the current behaviour is supported15:24
liushengityaptin_: it looks fine to me, I wil test it tomorrow, but only can be tested on libvirt :(15:24
liushengityaptin_: thanks for your efforts15:25
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ityaptin_I checked XenAPI also and make other functions by Nova example15:25
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gordc_nadya_: i see. i'll take a look.15:25
gordcliusheng: let me know how it goes.15:25
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gordcliamji: do you have your patches for lbaas v2 ready?15:26
liushenggordc: ok15:26
ityaptin_I added a little scheme of how it works as the comment for the review. It may be useful15:26
_nadya_jfyi, ityaptin_ is working on additional functional tests as well15:26
liamjigordc: yes15:26
gordcityaptin_: ack15:27
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liamjigordc: these two patches are ready : )15:27
gordcliamji: did you manage to get any neutron devs on it?15:28
gordcwould like their opinoin15:28
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liamjigordc: yes, during the developement, I have discussed with them and got some suggestions from them.15:29
gordccan you add them to the patch to review as well15:29
liamjigordc: based on the liusheng's suggestions,  I write a doc to verify the changes.15:29
liamjigordc: I have captured some screens : )15:30
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gordc#action track composite alarms, polling cache, lbaasv2 for mitaka.15:30
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gordcliamji: kk15:30
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gordcanything else on ceilometer?15:30
ljxiashgordc: Hi15:31
liamjigordc: thanks15:31
gordcljxiash: o/15:31
ljxiashgordc: about the spec - collect neutron port security group meters15:31
ljxiash I need neutron member support for that15:32
gordcljxiash: is there code? if not, i'm going to say let's defer unless it's very very small15:33
gordcljxiash: feel free to post it. i'm not confident it'll get in for mitaka15:33
gordcljxiash: 'neutron member support'? you need a neutron developer to help you?15:34
ljxiashgordc: we have basic code, and I can upload it.15:35
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ljxiashgordc: Could you get some more neutron member to review it?15:36
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gordcoh. i don't know anyone. sorry15:36
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_nadya_ljxiash: give me a lonk15:36
_nadya_ljxiash: link15:36
gordcmaybe ask around internally. i'm sure you have a lot of neutron devs in your company15:36
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gordcok. let's move on i guess?15:37
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ljxiashgordc: _nadya_: thanks15:37
gordc#topic gnocchi topics15:37
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gordcjd__: sileht: anything need to discuss?15:37
gordcmagic as always?15:38
jd__I don't think so, yeah good magic15:38
jd__I keep fingers crossed to tag 2.0.0 tomorrow15:38
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jd__mainly waiting for reviews at this point15:38
gordcjd__: sounds good.15:38
jd__we'll release gnocchiclient just after I guess15:38
gordcjd__: i'm going to try and fix that test after this.15:38
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jd__gordc: 👍15:39
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gordc#topic open discussion15:39
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gordcnothing from me. i'll let this linger for a bit15:40
gordci guess if everyone can focus on the bps for next few days that'd be great15:40
ildikovgordc: dumb question. are we still using launchpad for bp tracking?15:40
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_nadya_ad: summit talk . Take a look, it's about ceilo15:40
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gordcildikov: sort of. some of the stuff that was less controversial aren't track15:41
gordc_nadya_: it's closed :)15:41
ildikovgordc: a-ha, ok15:41
gordc_nadya_: i think it closed yesterady15:41
ildikov_nadya_: deadline was Wednesday AFAIK15:41
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_nadya_I'm a looser, baby15:41
gordcit's ok. the button does nothing anyways15:42
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gordctell your company to pay sponsorship and select it15:42
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_nadya_gordc: lol15:43
gordcildikov: we should have release notes though. i'll need to do a batch item for that again15:43
gordcmaybe next cycle.15:43
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gordckk. let's call it.15:45
gordcthanks folks15:45
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Sam-I-Amanyone here for the networking guide meeting?16:01
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mtreinish#startmeeting qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb 18 17:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at
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mtreinishhi, who's here today?17:00
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siloso/ *first timer*17:01
mtreinish^^^ today's agenda17:01
mtreinishsilos: welcome17:01
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silosmtreinish: thanks17:02
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mtreinishlets get started17:02
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mtreinish#topic QA Code Sprint17:02
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mtreinishI probably should have removed this from the agenda for this week17:03
mtreinishsince it's next week17:03
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mtreinishit's kinda too last min for anyone to decide to come :)17:03
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mtreinishbut, anyway the code sprint is next week. I'm looking forward to it17:04
jordanPI won't come unfortunately :(17:04
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jordanPbut I'll be in Austin17:04
mtreinishjordanP: :( that's too bad17:04
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jordanPyeah, I didn't even ask17:05
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mtreinishjordanP: cool, austin will be good too17:05
mtreinishjordanP: the next time we do a code sprint I'll try to make it in a more EU friendly location17:05
jordanPyeah, the location was not so bad for me, we have an office in Boston too17:05
mtreinishone other thing is for those attending the sprint, if you have any topics you'd like to try and tackle during the sprint feel free to add them to the etherpad17:06
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mtreinishI initially populated it with some ideas off the top of my head17:07
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jordanPI have some ideas but I'll talk about it in the "free discusion" part of that meeting17:07
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mtreinishdoes anyone have anything else to discuss on the code sprint?17:07
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mtreinish#topic Specs Reviews17:08
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any open spec reviews they'd like to discuss?17:09
mtreinishI want to point people to:17:10
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mtreinishwhich is my spec about moving tempest-lib code back into tempest17:10
mtreinishit needs another respin, but I'd appreciate any thoughts on it17:10
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jordanPI agree with that. The tempest-lib effort was not in vain. We did some code code cleanup, added some unit tests, etc..17:11
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mtreinishjordanP: right, and that will still continue. The plan is to keep the lib interface alive, just under the tempest repo17:12
mtreinish"migration" work won't change, except for instead of copying the code to a separate repo it'll just mv to tempest/lib17:12
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jordanPyep. I especially appreciate the "make methods use **kwarg" and "make method name consistent" and the client slit also. Big thanks to all of the people who worked on that17:13
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jordanPwe should definitively continue on that track17:13
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mtreinishok, does anyone have anything else to discuss on specs?17:14
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ccneillmore than a review, I just kind of want to ask.. is there any hope of this merging with the tempest migration on the table?17:15
mtreinishccneill: I think sdague's -1 there raises a good point17:16
mtreinishyou could spin that out as a seperate tool pretty easily17:16
ccneillmtreinish: so I do agree that tempest-lib shouldn't do *all the things*, but I would consider the capabilities of what I have to be pretty in line with other data generators17:16
jordanPyeah sdague has a point. The current code here doesn"t rely on tempest-lib at all17:16
ccneilljordanP: true, it is definitely an odd duck of sorts, and doesn't HAVE to live in tempest-lib17:17
jordanPccneill, do you know bandit ?17:17
ccneilljordanP: yep, I'm iin the OSSP meeting right now too17:17
jordanPthis looks more like something that could live in the bandit repo. Or a repo by itself17:18
ccneilljordanP: if you haven't heard my pitch before, basically I have written tests for barbican and designate, they suggested I try to put it in tempest-lib because it made sense to them and they didn't both want to have just one file floating in their project17:18
ccneilland I can't promise I really have time to maintain this as a separate tool17:18
mtreinishright, I think if the spec was to add another seperate tool (which could consume the rest_client from tempest-lib if it wanted) that would go over a bit better17:19
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ccneillmtreinish: so right now it should work with either tempest-lib or requests-based clients17:19
mtreinishccneill: right, the more I hear about this doing it as a seperate thing makes more sense (or as jordanP suggested if bandit likes it that works too)17:20
mtreinishwe can add another qa project for this pretty easily if necessary17:20
ccneillmtreinish: gotcha. I'll stop bugging you guys about it for now and try to figure out a better path forward17:20
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ccneillbecause I've discussed combining this work with Syntribos before (OSSP project), but it just seemed more accessible to include it in something everyone already uses, rather than pitching a new tool17:21
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ccneillbut that's my problem, not yours :)17:21
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mtreinishccneill: heh, well don't go off into the dark, feel free to keep talking about it :)17:22
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jordanPccneill, creating a dedicated repo for it is kinda of easy. And you will be PTL :)17:22
mtreinishjordanP: well not if it's a qa project :p17:22
jordanPerf, yeah, !17:23
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ccneilljordanP, mtreinish: it seems like this might be a better fit for the OSSP anyway17:23
ccneillI understand the concerns about scope creep17:23
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ccneillfor the record, if it were ONLY a data generator, would it be more or less appealing from a tempest-lib perspective?17:24
ccneilljust out of curiosity17:24
mtreinishccneill: I think it would be closer aligned, but then I'm not sure what the benefit would be :)17:24
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mtreinishbut, I think we need to move on to other topics now17:25
mtreinish#topic Priority Items17:25
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mtreinishso m-3 is approaching kinda quickly17:26
mtreinishit's a couple weeks away17:26
mtreinishwe've still got a fair number of open priority items17:26
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jordanP6 and 7 are less relevant I think17:27
mtreinishthat's probably fair17:27
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jordanPjlanoux, what about 10 'Finalize ssh-auth bp' ?17:27
mtreinishwell, they'll still happen but the "migration" will be a git mv :)17:28
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jlanouxjordanP: yep - I'd like this one to get in: and then we can close it.17:28
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jordanPjlanoux, and what then ? I the -ssh job is non voting and failing a lot, do we have a plan ?17:29
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mtreinishyeah, it'd be good if we could be in a place where we were comfortable enough with turning that flag on by default17:31
jlanouxjordanP: I'll keep working on this. I have some ideas. But they are beyond the scope of the original blueprint. I'll put a new spec together and see what you guys think.17:31
mtreinishit's more than just pass rate too, but also the debug path17:31
jordanPwe don"t need a spec for to make something work. I am sorry to rant here but we have too many things in Tempest/QA that just doesn't work17:32
mtreinishif we can't figure out why the ssh failed, that doesn't help much17:32
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jordanPagreed but I don"t see how that patch helps17:32
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jordanPI am fine with having it, but I don't know it will make our life better17:33
jlanouxWe talked about that and ssh validation in Tempest is messy - I'd like to refactor that and add some logging. This will be a step17:33
jlanouxthen I think we have to deal with race conditions from other services - not much we can do there apart giving them some data17:33
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jordanPbut a refactoring is about making the code nicer. Currently the code doesn"t work. We need to fix bugs17:34
jordanPbut if we had that many race conditions, how come the tempest scenarios are quite reliable ?17:34
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afazekasFYI:  ssh login can fail if the root disk is not available as well.17:35
jlanouxjordanP: we can't fix all at once - I'm willing to continue looking on ssh17:35
mtreinishafazekas: haha, yeah there are a lot of possible causes17:35
jlanouxit's not that bad17:35
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jordanPok, jlanoux I'll love to work with you to turn that ssh_validation flag to True17:36
jlanouxafazekas: yeah and hardware can be against us as well17:36
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jlanouxjordanP: +117:36
jordanPok, I'll review and +2 that patch17:36
jordanP(I was "angry" with PS24 btw)17:37
jordanPPS25 looks better :)17:37
mtreinishok, is there anything else to discuss on priority items?17:38
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mtreinish#topic Tempest17:39
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mtreinishdoes anyone have anything to disucss on tempest today?17:40
mtreinishalthough I have a feeling the ssh topic kinda covers this for today's meeting :)17:40
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jordanPnope, also I have:17:40
jordanPI got -1 by sdague and it seems unfair17:41
jordanPif we follow that line we should -1 a lot of patch too17:41
sdagueit's a new 2.5 minute test17:41
jordanPI got two +1 from Cinder core reviewers.17:41
sdaguein the base run for all services17:41
jordanPit's not the longest test and it bring a lot of value17:42
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sdaguewe can't just keep throwing in new tests > 60s on the integrated gate, that is the path to madness17:42
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jordanPsdague, ok. Then I'll -1 similar patch17:42
jordanPI am fine with that and we can work around it, by having cinder "in tree functionnal tests"17:42
jordanPbut then we must be consistent17:43
sdagueI'm fine with that. This seemed a particularly large growth path17:43
sdagueespecially when the volumes tests remain the most problematic from reliability17:44
jordanPnoope. Neutron is worst :p17:44
sdaguewell, at least they are run on less jobs :)17:44
jordanPso other topic is: the multinode jobs17:45
jordanPthey fail a lot like 50%17:45
sdaguebut in all seriousness, we need the volumes behavior nailed down in cinder specific tests17:45
sdaguethat run just on cinder changes to figure out why things are problematic17:45
jordanPespecially tempest.api.compute.admin.test_live_migration.LiveBlockMigrationTestJSON.test_volume_backed_live_migration17:45
jordanPmy libvirt skill are a bit short there17:45
afazekasjordanP: Neutron showed lot of improvement in the past year17:46
jordanPI will work on it tomorrow too. But my general feeling at the moment is, there's no need to pile up tests on top of something that doesn't work17:46
mtreinishjordanP: multinode or cinder?17:46
jordanPcinder works in my opinion :)17:46
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sdaguewell, on the live migration front, we're building a dedicated job that *only* does live migration testing to try to sort out these things. That's the dedicated hammer approach.17:48
jordanPsdague, that won't help imo. We need human to look at it17:48
sdaguejordanP: right, and we will have humans looking at it17:48
jordanPthat's great17:49
jordanPbut the jobs have been there for months, why now ?17:49
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sdaguejordanP: ok, what is your specific proposal, I guess I'm lost on that one17:49
jordanPfirst raise awareness17:50
jordanPwe need to look at the problem before adding more multinode tests17:50
jordanPI am thinkg about
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mtreinishjordanP: well I don't think there is much value in that test in general17:51
mtreinishI'll leave a comment on that one17:51
jordanPok, maybe we can move on. I am done :)17:51
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mtreinish#topic DevStack + Grenade17:52
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mtreinishsilos: you put a something on the agenda for this topic?17:52
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silosmtreinish: yes17:52
silosI mainly contribute to barbican and we are interested in writing a grenade job for it.17:52
mtreinishsilos: are you just looking for help on how to do that?17:53
silosI was wondering if there is a formal process like creating a spec? If the PTL in barbican needs to be aware?17:53
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mtreinishsilos: it's strictly a project decision on adding the job or not. Everything will be done self service as a plugin in the barbican repo17:54
mtreinishsilos: we can pick this up in -qa after the meeting17:54
mtreinishsince we're a bit pressed for time17:54
silosmtreinish: Ok. sounds good.17:54
mtreinishdoes anyone have anything else on devstack or grenade?17:55
jordanPSSL support in devstack is a pain :)17:55
jordanPmany patched lying around trying to fix it17:55
jordanPand if we want a suggestion, I propose to remove all of it :)17:56
mtreinishjordanP: heh, isn't it more a general openstack issue. I think those patches were blocked because the ssl configuration for services is kinda weird17:56
jordanP(sorry, that's a debate for another time)17:56
mtreinishbut, it's been a while so my memory is a little hazy on the details17:56
mtreinishbut, yeah we can pick that up at a different time17:57
mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews17:57
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on?17:58
sdaguejordanP: I thought there was some middleware now that did the headers right?17:59
sdagueor did that never happen17:59
jordanPI remember we talked about it, but I forgot what we said about it !17:59
mtreinishwell, we're at time. We can pick things up in -qa18:00
mtreinishthanks everyone18:00
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rtheisosc meeting today?19:07
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dtroyeruh, oops…running behind here19:09
dtroyeranyone else still around?19:09
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dtroyerwell, for the record…19:11
dtroyer#startmeeting openstackclient19:11
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb 18 19:11:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at
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dtroyerlate ping: dhellmann, stevemar, terrylhowe, lhcheng, dstanek, MeganR19:12
dtroyerapologies for my tardiness, anyone still around?19:12
dstanekdtroyer: !19:12
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dstanekdtroyer: i'm addicted to glowing screens. so i'm always here :-)19:12
rtheisstill here :)19:13
dtroyerdstanek: that's gotta mess with sleep patterns ;)19:13
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dstanekdtroyer: it's easier if you just don't do it19:14
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dtroyertell my wife that when I'm dozing at the dinner table19:14
dtroyerok, we're light today, I didn't have anything specific19:15
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dtroyerit looks like we've got a deep queue atm19:16
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dtroyerjust in time for our new core members ;)19:16
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rtheisI'll start chipping away at the queue19:17
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dtroyerI'm geting started myself this afternoon19:18
dtroyeris there anything specific that warrants priority attention?19:18
rtheisI didn't see any at first glance19:18
rtheisI did have a interface question on
rtheisShould we validate the keys in a key1=value1,key2=value2 list?19:19
rtheisor pass along to the API call19:19
rtheisExample usage in
dtroyerthats a good question.  I don't think we always know the valid keys19:20
dtroyerand I'm not sure if that is the sort of thing that an API using JSONschema would be validating19:20
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dtroyerIIRc we have some usages like that where the API specifically does not validate the dict, like for vendor-specific values19:22
dtroyerso in general we can't assume validation19:22
dtroyerby the api19:22
stevemari'm here now19:22
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dtroyerwelcome stevemar.  you're #ff6633 now, just so you know ;)19:22
stevemari *always* forget about this meeting19:22
dtroyerin cases like 276042 I really wish we could do that without resortin to AVPs as an option argument19:23
stevemarmaybe we can talk about the unset/set commands using cliff.Command?19:23
stevemari think tangchen was looking for guidance there19:23
dtroyersince those are required and well known.  in that case we probably _should_ validate them19:23
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dtroyerstevemar: I think we hashed that out a while back and decided to remove the output on set/unset.  I'm not a fan but apparently those with output were in the minority19:24
stevemardtroyer: oh i think i found a bug with osc... need time to reproduce it19:25
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dtroyerwhat?  a bug?19:26
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rtheisdtroyer: so on 276042, do you have an alternative to AVPs?19:27
stevemarthis check here is breaking some of the non-traditional auth plugins we have in keystoneauth19:27
dtroyerrtheis: not a better one when multiple routes can be set at once.19:27
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dtroyerbut I fear that becomes a precedent in general19:28
dtroyerand hope it does not19:28
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dtroyerstevemar: put it to occ, it is the auth arbiter now, right?19:29
dtroyerwe're going to wind up with some breaking changes to do all of that…that'll trigger 3.0.19:29
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stevemardtroyer: basically19:29
dtroyerand I hope we can stuff the rename in there then too19:30
dtroyerso, planning ahead a bit19:30
stevemari'm hoping to do this soon19:30
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dtroyerI thought we decided reanming the package was best doen at a major rev19:30
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stevemarfolks internally are finally starting to use federation and are complaining about the broken CLI :)19:30
dtroyersoon like a week or two?19:30
stevemarprobably not19:30
dtroyerwell, major is a lot farther out than that…19:31
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dtroyeryou can probably fix it without 3.0 but we need to rip out all of the OSC auth for 3.019:31
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stevemardtroyer: that's a beast to fix19:33
dtroyercan we just rip out that check and let the plugins fail it later?19:34
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dtroyerok, anything else?19:37
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rtheisI don't have anything else19:37
dtroyerstevemar: ?  You are slowly turning #33cc3319:38
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stevemardtroyer: not as good of a color19:38
dtroyerunless you are a system status indicator19:39
stevemarif anyone else wants to rip and replace the auth stuff, go ahead :)19:39
dtroyerI started a while back, but that was before occ took over the world.  it should actually be easier now19:40
dtroyerok, I've got a tight schedule this afternoon, if nothing else is pressing I'd like to get going.19:40
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rtheisnothing else, thank you dtroyer19:41
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dtroyerok, thanks everyone!19:42
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mriedemso no john21:00
mriedem#startmeeting nova21:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb 18 21:00:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at
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mriedem#link meeting agenda
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mriedem#topic release status21:01
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mriedemMar 1-3, Mitaka-3 and feature freeze, Final release for client libraries, Soft String Freeze, etc.21:01
mriedem#info Mar 1-3, Mitaka-3 and feature freeze, Final release for client libraries, Soft String Freeze, etc.21:01
* bauzas waves21:01
mriedemthere is a note to look out for release critical bugs, mitaka-rc-potential21:01
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mriedemdid we ever figure out who was doing bug duty this week?21:02
mriedemanyway, if you come across what looks to be a release critical bug, tag it with mitaka-rc-potential21:02
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mriedem- When to pause long running efforts (centralise config, py34, mox, etc)21:03
mriedemi thought we said last week those were paused now21:03
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mriedem"the doc element to the config work seems important, the moving Opts around should probably halt until Newton?"21:03
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tonybmriedem: I thought py34/mox was paused but confifg was allowed to keep going21:03
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mriedemi have no idea how much is left21:03
mriedemon the config stuff21:03
tonybmriedem: yeah that thing21:03
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mikalI recon we should allow extended help strings21:04
mikalBut stop the large refactors21:04
mikalTHe help stgring changes are very low risk with high benefit21:04
tonybI think markus_z is out this week so it's hard to know21:04
mriedemmikal: yeah at least until string freeze anyway21:04
mikalmriedem: agreed21:04
mriedem#topic reminders21:04
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edleafemriedem: there is a lot left21:04
mikalI could go through and -2 the refector reviews if we thought that was reasonable21:04
mriedem#link priority review etherpad
mriedemmikal: sure, that is probably helpful21:05
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mikalmriedem: ok, I'll try and get that done today21:05
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mriedem#topic bugs21:05
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mriedemgate status
mriedemsdague: anything you want to add on this?21:05
mriedemi know grenade is hitting messaging timeouts since oslo.messaging 4.1.021:05
mriedemi don't think anyone is working on that21:05
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sdaguemriedem: it was brought up to the oslo folks, and feels like it all petered out21:06
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sdagueI have not looped back around on that21:06
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bauzasthe pep8 issue with File Not Found is known, right?21:06
mriedembauzas: dan brought it up in infra this morning21:06
mriedemso i assume it's a known thing21:06
dansmithsounds amazingly awesome21:06
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bauzasokay, nice to know21:06
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mriedemi hope AFS didn't do it :)21:06
dansmithAFS is perfect21:07
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mriedem#help needed on messaging timeout bug
openstackLaunchpad bug 1545002 in oslo.messaging "Grenade Failure - MessagingTimeout on floating IP remove" [High,Confirmed]21:07
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mriedem3rd party CI status - i don't have any news here21:07
mriedemcritical bugs - anyone have any?21:08
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sdaguemriedem: well this metadata one isn't good21:08
sdaguebut I don't know if it's critical yet21:08
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mriedemi'm leaning on that ol' sdague magic to sort that one out :)21:09
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mriedemmore volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty?
mriedemi know sdague has been hammering the API bug triage, which is appreciated21:10
mriedemhopefully more people get in the bug boat after FF21:10
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bauzasso I'm about to see if some operators could help with bug triaging21:10
sdagueonly 29 bugs in new right now21:10
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bauzasbut that's a long sotry21:10
tonybJust putting this out there, a good triaged list of bugs might make the bugsmash more helpful ....21:10
sdaguethat's totally within sight of 021:11
auggywhoohoo that's s a huge a huge improvement!!21:11
mriedemstable branch21:11
mriedemonly thing here is,21:11
mriedemwe should review stable/liberty stuff for a 12.0.2 release push around m-321:12
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mriedem#link open stable/liberty reviews,n,z21:12
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edleafetonyb: thanks for volunteering!21:12
mriedemor if anyone knows of bugs fixed on master that we'd like to get into stable/liberty, get the backports up soonish21:12
mikaledleafe: hey! He's under other buses!21:12
edleafemikal: never enough buses21:12
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mriedemi've had a todo to write a tool to find liberty-backport-potential nova bugs that are fixed to try and find possible backports,21:13
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mriedembut time isn't on my side21:13
mriedem^ is open for anyone that wants to write a tool like that21:13
mriedemanything else on bugs?21:13
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mriedem#topic stuck reviews21:14
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mriedemthere was nothing on the agenda21:14
mriedemdoes anyone have anything to discuss here?21:14
mikalSo, can I raise something here?21:14
mriedemuh oh21:14
mikalgus: you around?21:14
gusmikal: yep.21:14
mikalThey're not super stuck, so this might be cheating21:14
tonybmikal: that's totaly in open discussion21:14
mikalBut gus is getting worried about getting privsep done in time21:14
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tonybit's even on the agenda21:14
mriedemthat's in open discussoin21:14
mikalOh, ok. Sure.21:14
mriedem#open discussion21:15
tonybThere are a couple of stable backports that are kinda stuck21:15
mriedem#topic open discussion21:15
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mriedemmine first21:15
mriedem(mriedem): get-me-a-network; trouble in paradise21:15
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mriedemso we have the ML thread on how to microversion the get-me-a-network stuff21:15
mriedem#link ML thread on get-me-a-network microversion
mriedemmain question being, do we change default behavior (opt into not having a nic)?21:16
mriedempersonally i think we should, since the default behavior to allow an instance w/o a network seems weird21:16
mriedemand i doubt that is used in practice very often21:16
mriedemi know alaski is against that idea,21:16
mriedemso i'm looking for input from others that didn't speak up on the ML21:17
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mriedemdansmith: ^?21:17
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dansmithI dunno. changing defaults is kinda bad21:17
dansmitheven if we're suuure the default is better21:17
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dansmithif someone has a workflow that attaches with no nic and then always does an attach later, we'll break them right?21:18
sdaguebut it's opt in21:18
mriedemdansmith: they'd have to opt in with the microversion21:18
sdagueyou had to ask for things after that microversion21:18
dansmithyeah, I know,21:18
dansmithbut in reality, clients aren't going to check for an empty request and make the behavior be the same because they've opted into the new version21:18
sdaguechanging defaults to be better is definitely a thing we should do, we have a signaling mechanism around it21:19
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dansmithsdague: well, since there was no IMHO on there I guess I can't argue with "definitely" eh?21:19
cdentif we can't make defaults better then we're really in a bad way21:19
edleafemicroversions don't solve every problem, but at least give you a way to know what's changed21:19
cdentbecause it presumes we got it right the first time, always21:19
mriedemit would have been nice if any user/operator in the world would have spoken in that thread saying they have that use case21:19
cdentwhich is never true21:19
dansmithmriedem: I can't point you to a specific example person,21:20
sdaguemriedem: it was a -dev thread right?21:20
mriedemsdague: yeah, could go to ops too, but i don't know that ops care, it's really a user use case21:20
dansmithbut the use case could be starting a spare instance and adding a nic to it when you failover21:20
dansmitheither way, I bet nobody is going to speak up about it21:20
dansmithjust to be clear,21:21
sdagueyeh, we don't really have the right coms channels to find the people that would speak up about it, unfortunately21:21
dansmiththe microversion would be "you get a nic if you didn't ask" instead of "you get no nics if you didn't ask" right?21:21
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sdaguedansmith: yes21:21
dansmithbecause making it "you get an error if you try to boot an instance with no nic" would be a lot more discoverable, IMHO21:22
dansmithbecause the user of the client that opted in would see that21:22
dansmithinstead of wondering why the hell they're getting different behavior all the sudden21:22
sdagueso they did have to move their API pin to get different behavior21:23
dansmithwho did?21:23
dansmiththe client library, right?21:23
sdagueor application21:23
dansmithif they're consuming directly, sure21:23
sdaguewell, even with our library they have to specify21:23
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dansmithanyway, I feel like we were just arguing about not changing something like this in a microversion just for the fun of it, because it's surprising,21:24
dansmithyet we like this change so we want to do it21:24
melwittif you have to opt in to not get a nic, then wouldn't the behavior be an error if you didn't ask and a net isn't available?21:24
dansmithso, my opinion is don't change it21:24
dansmithmelwitt: you have to opt in to the new behavior, not the old one21:25
mriedemwell that's what's proposed21:25
dansmithmelwitt: so you're (supposedly) opting in to having it be magic21:25
sdagueit's only surprising to people that are used to getting punched in the face21:25
sdagueand then we stop doing that21:25
sdaguefor the majority of them21:25
dansmithsdague: I feel like arguments like that are not very constructive21:25
dansmithso anyway, that's my opinion, let's move on21:25
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mriedemok, so, just to finalize,21:26
mriedemthe reason i brought this up is i want to start drafting a spec,21:26
mriedemb/c the neutron meetup is local for me next week21:26
sdagueok, I feel like the entire "get me a network" thing was driving by users that were really really frustrated that was not the default21:26
mriedemi think i'm going to just doc this all as alternatives in the spec,21:26
mriedemand we can hash it out in review21:26
mriedemsdague: agree21:26
mriedemmoving on21:26
mriedemgus: mikal: go!21:26
gusSo: privsep/os-brick status:  The code exists to do a simple s/rootwrap/privsep/g in os-brick.21:27
gusIt depends on a bunch (6?) of small changes across other projects (nova, devstack, cinder)21:27
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mriedem#link main os-brick privsep change
gusAll the isolated tests I've thrown at it work, but the whole thing fails in tempest integration tests atm ;)21:28
gusI'm still debugging that latter, it's almost certainly something to do with eventlet.21:28
gus(it hangs)21:28
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gusMy concern is that at this point there are still a bunch of small changes ahead of us, mostly to do with juggling global-requirements once there is an appropriate os-brick/privsep release.21:28
gusI know we get thingy about changing requirements close to release deadlines.21:29
tonybgus: we have 10 days still21:29
gustonyb: right.21:29
gusThe last round of minor changes to other projects took 2 weeks to get nova +2s, and haven't seen any +2s from cinder or devstack yet.21:30
gus(thanks to those who approved the nova ones over night)21:30
tonybsdague: can you hepl with the devstack side?21:30
tonybsdague: most of the changes are in mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking21:30
sdaguetonyb: yeh, though I didn't see anything working yet in full stack21:30
sdaguewhich was my concern21:30
gusso .. we can still make it, but I feel like it's getting tight - particularly wrt juggling the cross-project review latency.21:31
gussdague: yep, agreed.21:31
gusthe depends-on changes are all safe (afaics) to merge into the other projects regardless of whether we go ahead with the rest of os-brick/privsep or not.21:31
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scottdaos-brick release just went out21:31
gusthey're things like an additional rootwrap filter, that at worst would be simply unused.21:32
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gusI don't have any specific request - just a heads-up that when I whack this final eventlet interaction bug, there's going to be half-a-dozen-or-so changes that are going to need some fast review turnaround.21:33
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mriedemsummaries in the ML on big hairy things like this have been common lately21:34
mriedemall the rage21:34
mriedemb/c i see a bunch of changes on different topic branches, so tracking it all in gerrit is confusing me21:34
mriedemsome are tracked against a bp and some aren't21:34
mriedemso as a reviewer i'm not entirely sure where to start (besides the main os-brick change with the 5 depends-on)21:34
sdagueright, it's especially hard when the Depends-On is just a wall21:34
sdagueit would be useful to at least annotate them to which repos they are on to understand21:35
scottdagus: I'm not positive, but I think getting privsep changes into  os-brick is too late for Mitaks21:35
melwittis there a section for them in the priorities etherpad?21:35
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melwittthat gus can just link all of them21:35
tonybmelwitt: yeah they're under os-vif21:35
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tonybmelwitt: somewhere near 14421:35
sdaguescottda: what?21:35
mriedemtonyb: melwitt: yeah but it's not very detailed21:36
mriedemit's just some links, i can figure those out via gerrit21:36
sdaguescottda: because, honestly, this is a release blocker21:36
scottdaos-brick was just released today.21:36
gusCan I mix comments in with the Depends-On change description "meta headers" ?21:36
sdaguewe're in an upgrade crippled state21:36
scottdaI'm trying to get hemnafk to verify , but he is AFK21:36
* gus isn't sure what the parsing requirements of that are.21:36
mikalgus: alternate lines?21:36
tonybmriedem: Okay tell me what else you need in there and I'll add it21:36
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mikal# The following depends-on is against os-brick21:36
tonybmriedem: I just followed the "template"21:37
mikalDepends-On 1234521:37
sdagueyeh, each Depends-On must be the only thing on it's line21:37
mriedemtonyb: well, like what jaypipes and alaski and others have done in the ML recently on where big things are at21:37
sdaguebut you can have other stuff in there21:37
gusmikal: yep, that would be useful for me too - I wasn't sure how strict that block needed to be.21:37
gusI have some mention in the nova priorities etherpad - but of course that doens't affect devstack + cinder (+ os-brick).21:37
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sdagueso, I just want to circle back on the os-brick thing21:38
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mriedemwhat we need is like a management type that knows how to put together fancy charts....21:38
mriedemwhere could we find one of those...21:38
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sdaguebecause this can't be too late for os-brick21:38
mikalSo, I kind of disagree21:38
mikalWhat we need is the cross project element to work better21:38
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mikalDo we need to try and get everyone into a dedicated meeting early next week?21:39
mriedemlibrary freeze is i think the same time as FF21:39
scottdahemnafk: keeps reporting that the privsep changes cause Nova to hang...that's the latest report from him I've seen...21:39
gusscottda: yep, that's probably a repeat of my latest status update on the main change.21:39
mriedemFeb 22-26R-6Final release for non-client libraries21:39
scottdaI reckon another release of os-brick could still go out if this is fixed. I just noticed today an email that os-brick was released.21:39
mriedemyeah 1.0.0 went out with bug fixes21:40
mriedemi think we have until next friday for another os-brick release according to the schedule21:40
sdaguemikal: the answer is yes, who is going to be point person on it?21:40
mriedemmikal: so to answer your question, yes i think some kind of project management would be helpful21:40
mikalSo, the only problem is that next week wastes a few days21:41
mikalWe could do it tomorrow, but I'm afk all day21:41
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mikalI don't want to sit idle over the weekend if its avoidable21:41
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mriedemwell i guess it depends on what works for gus21:41
sdaguemikal: well, how about start with pulling together where we are, and what's blocking moving forward21:41
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mriedemyeah some high level context would be helpful before a hangout or something21:42
sdagueeven if it's not a meeting, a consolidated view on all of this stuff would be really useful21:42
mikalgus and I can work on an email summary to -dev21:42
mikalAnd make is super clear what we think brick and devstack need to do21:42
mikalWe'll get that out in the next couple of hours?21:42
sdagueyep, and to be clear, I'll approve the devstack changes as soon as I've got a test run showing me it's working21:42
sdagueI just couldn't find that in the stack21:43
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gussdague: there's things like that just sets a new nova.conf entry.21:43
sdaguegus: right, but I actually want to see something using that to do something :)21:44
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gussure, it just means it remains on the critical path then.21:44
gus(sdague: but I understand your reluctance)21:44
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sdagueright, but then we know it works vs. land, oh broken, land, oh broken.21:45
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mriedemanything else on this?21:45
gusnot from me.21:46
mriedemanything else from anyone for open discussion?21:46
scottdaprivsep is out for mitaka in os-brick, according to smcginnis21:46
mriedemscottda: umm
gus^ huh, well then at least I get my weekend back.21:46
sdaguescottda: um, that's really not possible21:46
scottdaI'm just the middle man here21:47
mriedemyou mean out as in not happening21:47
mriedemvs out as released :)21:47
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mriedemimportant distinction21:47
smcginnismriedem: Not happening.21:47
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mriedemi read the cinder channel21:47
patrickeastit was discussed in the last cinder meeting briefly, see ~16:06
smcginnismriedem: There are still issues that need to be resolved and tested.21:47
mriedemsmcginnis: yeah,
mriedemthat's what we were talking about21:48
edleafemriedem: did a quick count on the config options status. 504 total, 331 either merged or in the pipeline, 173 untouched21:48
sdaguesmcginnis: this is a monsterous upgrade problem21:48
sdaguethat we only didn't revert os-brick in liberty because it was going to be fixed in mitaka21:48
smcginnissdague: Agreed. Not happy we weren't able to get it working in time.21:48
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smcginnissdague: Well, TBF, there's a lot of goodness in os-brick that far surpasses the pain of copying rootwrap files.21:49
sdaguesmcginnis: it completely breaks our upgrade model21:49
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sdagueI don't think I can bang my shoe on the table hard enough about that21:49
smcginnisWe are tied, yes. But did we add anything to rootwrap filters in this cycle?21:50
mriedemi think there was maybe one thing21:50
mriedemi can check after the meeting21:50
mriedemi know we held things out21:50
mikalSo, where to from here?21:50
mikalDo we still want that summary email?21:50
mikalOr are we dead in the water until newton?21:51
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sdagueok, so os-brick will never accept another rootwrap change until this is sorted, right?21:51
gus"Add os-brick's scsi_id command to rootwrap" - Sep 921:51
smcginnisI don't work in absolutes, but I can strongly discourage it. :)21:51
sdaguesmcginnis: no, this has to be absolutes21:51
mriedemmriedem@ubuntu:~/git/os-brick$ git log --oneline --no-merges 0.6.0.. -- etc/os-brick/rootwrap.d/os-brick.filters21:51
mriedemd3b9696 os-brick add cinder local_dev lvm code21:51
mriedemebce3c3 DRBD connector class21:51
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mriedemwe kept ebce3c3 out of nova21:52
mriedemb/c of the filter add21:52
mriedemd3b9696 is not being used in nova i dont think21:52
mriedemit was a late add, to prep for newton21:52
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smcginnismriedem: Right, not yet.21:52
mriedem0.6.0 is what's in stable/liberty u-c, that's there i get the version from21:53
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mriedemso i guess let's take this to -nova or -cinder now21:53
mriedemand wrap up the nova meeting21:53
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mriedemi imagine there are some bits of brain and skull on the floor somewhere21:54
mriedemanyone have anything else?21:54
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mriedemok, ending, thanks everyone21:54
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mikalmriedem: thanks for running the thing21:54
cdentI was going to mention default policy files, but given the conversation just now seems pointless...21:55
cdent(from cross project meeting)21:55
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mriedemcdent: i'm assuming that's a newton thing right?21:55
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cdentI think for some of the people involved they were hoping not-newton21:56
cdentbut at least in nova-land that's unrealistic21:56
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mriedemsome people == keystone people?21:58
mriedemseemed keystone dominated this weeks cp meeting21:58
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armaxcarl_baldwin, HenryG, dougwig, amotoki, kevinbenton, mestery ping22:00
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armax#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:01
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armaxhello gents22:01
armaxready for some fun?22:01
* carl_baldwin ready :)22:02
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dougwigooh boy are we.22:02
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* mestery jumps up and down22:02
-amotoki- :)22:02
mesteryWait, by fun do you mean pointless bikeshedding on the mailing list?22:02
armaxok, open the boxes you received in the post this morning...22:02
kevinbentonI didn't get one22:02
armaxyou all received suspiciuous packages did you?22:02
mesteryThis isn't some sort of "we all drink at once" thing is it?22:03
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armaxkevinbenton: that’s because you’re never home22:03
dougwigmine was full of intel NICs.22:03
armaxoh well…it looks like this didn’t work this time, I’ll try next week22:03
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armaxlet’s get serious22:03
armaxthe list of triaged bugs for the week22:03
armaxwe punted on bug 150749922:04
openstackbug 1507499 in neutron "Centralized Management System for testing the environment" [Wishlist,Triaged]
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armaxso let’s move it aside for now22:04
armaxbug 152210222:04
openstackbug 1522102 in neutron "[RFE] use oslo-versioned-objects to help with dealing with upgrades" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Justin Hammond (justin-hammond)22:04
armaxI was hoping Ihar would be around, but it’s too much to ask22:04
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armaxI imagine that’s the sort of activity that’ll have to be chewed on slowly22:05
njohnstonanyone know when he will be back?22:05
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armaxit won’t finish in the span of a single cycle22:05
armaxnjohnston: it’s late night for him already22:05
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njohnstonyeah, I just haven't seen him in a couple of days22:05
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amotokiIIRC, upgrade sprint in Mar will tackle OVO for core resources.22:05
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armaxamotoki: ack22:06
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armaxI think that we all watch this effort with interest, and we should let it progress so long as it doesn’t disrupt anything else22:06
armaxso far it seems it isn't22:06
armaxat one point I wasn’t even sure this needed an RFE22:06
dougwigi've so far not met anyone that messed with ovo and liked it afterwards.22:06
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dougwigit's kinda like drupal that way.22:07
armaxin that, that’s one of the things we’ll have to tackle at some point in some form or another22:07
mesterydougwig: Ihar is one tough dude, lets see if he makes it out with his sanity22:07
armaxdougwig: that’s one of those things: you gotta try it for yourself22:07
armaxso if there are no major concerns on this one, we should watch it and make sure we have a clear understing of the implications of using OVOs everywhere22:08
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armaxnext bug 152767122:09
openstackbug 1527671 in neutron "[RFE]Neutron QoS Priority Queuing rule" [Wishlist,Triaged]
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armaxI have been seeing a number of QoS RFEs lately22:09
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armaxI wonder if at some point we need to draw the line22:10
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armaxI am not against this one or a few others I have seen22:10
dougwigif it has active contributors, why would we?22:10
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armaxdougwig: understood, but I’d rather work with something finite22:11
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armaxand knowing that at some point I’ll be done22:12
armaxit doesn’t have to be today22:12
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armaxor tomorrow22:12
armaxbut at some point in the future :)22:12
salv-orlandoarmax: indeed they are discrete items and therefore finite22:12
armaxnatural numbers are discrete22:12
salv-orlandonow the number of those items might or might not be infinite22:12
armaxI don’t recall they are finite22:12
armaxbut I digress22:12
dougwigheh, we either like little pieces or mega-specs. i'm not sure either really ends. it's when they don't get done, or are lousy, that i have an issue.22:13
dougwigaye indeed.22:13
armaxI am still unclear on how all these qos pieces fit together22:13
armaxwe don’t seem to have a cohesive QoS strategy in Neutron22:13
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armaxand I’d be wary of adding little pieces without having the overall picture in sight22:13
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armaxor where we want to get22:14
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armaxbut that’s just me22:14
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njohnstonI think our QoS strategy is a pretty straightforward "Rome wasn't built in a day"22:14
mesteryI don't think it's unreasonable to try to understand the broader picture with respect to QoS armax, that's within reason completely.22:14
armaxI am not saying I am against this RFE, but I’d rather look at it in the context of the other proposals to assess if it is an essential piece of the QoS puzzle22:14
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dougwigarmax: that argues for a larger spec,t hen.22:14
armaxI sense it is22:14
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* carl_baldwin feels the same about the QoS strategy but thought maybe he just didn't understand it.22:15
armaxperhaps I ams simply advocating for looking at all the QoS RFE proposal together22:15
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armaxso that we have a coherent story we’re gonna sell when it comes to QoS in Neutron22:16
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armaxI wouldn’t simply rubberstamp RFE’s just for the sake of it22:16
armaxI wonder if the sentiment is only mine22:16
njohnstonI think there are 2 types of QoS RFEs that might come in: expanding QoS to different drivers (like LinuxBridge) and adding features (like DSCP and ECN).  The list of possible QoS features to add is a finite and small set.22:16
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njohnstonBut the fact that you have an X times Y effect makes the number of RFEs seem large (DSCP on SR-IOV!  ECN on Midonet!).22:17
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armaxnjohnston: right, let’s see if the people closer to QoS have a stronger opinion22:18
armaxI’ll provide this feedback and we’ll reconvene in due course22:18
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amotokiI don't think backend implementations are related unless it is in-tree drivers.22:18
armaxamotoki: there’s certainly a distinction between API and implementation22:19
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armaxlet’s have this simmer a bit more, QoS is still churning in Mitaka, so review bandwidth is kinda limited anyway…talking about QoS :)22:20
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armaxbug #152910922:21
openstackbug 1529109 in neutron "[RFE] Security groups resources are not extendable" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Roey Chen (roeyc)22:21
armaxI personally can get behind salv-orlando’s argument22:21
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armaxI was not sure whether the misisng method was an oversight or a by-design choice22:21
armaxand hence I initially flagged negatively the patch that brought this to our attention22:22
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salv-orlandoarmax: the method was missing because the guy that did that for l3 did not bother doing the same stuff for other extension22:23
armaxanyone feels strongly one way or another?22:23
armaxsalv-orlando: would that guy be you?22:23
salv-orlandoarmax: lazyness always gives me away22:24
armaxsalv-orlando: it does22:24
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armaxsalv-orlando: that’s why you’re so predictable22:24
armaxok, so if we move past the alignment with the ec2 version of security group API (which I guess we diverged from by now anyway) we could let this go22:25
armaxbut I’d still like to be conscious on how this is going to be used, at least within the borders of Neutron itlsef.22:25
armaxsounds fair?22:25
armaxok, moving on22:26
armaxbug 154051222:26
openstackbug 1540512 in neutron "Host Aware IPAM" [Wishlist,Triaged]
carl_baldwinSo, this is from Calico.22:26
armaxI tried to digest this one a few times22:26
armaxbut I have been unable to22:26
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kevinbentonDoesn't ipam already get the port object?22:27
carl_baldwinThey want a mechanism to aggregate IPs in subnets around something like a host, rack, or some other physical thing.22:27
armaxif you see overlap with routed networks22:27
armaxcould they provide feedback to that initiative?22:28
carl_baldwinarmax: routed networks works a little bit differently because subnets are confined to an L2 domain.22:28
kevinbentonIf so, the only new thing this is requesting is the change to the nova neutron interaction for late ip assignment22:28
dougwigi think we could rename this "add neutron to the nova scheduler".22:28
kevinbentondougwig: not quite22:28
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carl_baldwinNo, this isn't adding neutron to the nova scheduler.22:28
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kevinbentonThis is just saying that neutron will pick IPs based on the host22:28
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dougwigi get that it's a narrow case, but what the real high-level detail is to get neutron-awareness into the vm scheduler.22:29
carl_baldwinIn fact, since their requirement to aggregate IPs is more of a soft requirement, they don't need to affect nova scheduling.22:29
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: I didn't think IPAM got a port but I'll have to checke.22:29
carl_baldwindougwig: No, its not.22:29
armaxok so if I understand this correctly they want the IP selection to take into account the host on which the VM needs to land on22:30
mesteryWon't they want to fail the nova scheduling decision if it doesn't fall in their IP addressing scheme?22:30
carl_baldwinWhat they need is 1) delayed IP assignment (which we're doing) and 2) sending the host to IPAM22:30
carl_baldwinarmax: yes22:30
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dougwigwell, do we want this narrowly focused RFE (and maybe we do), or do we open this up to what it really is..  *every* network resource could benefit from locality and influence in the scheduling, (pre or post, which is the fine hair you're parsing to say it's not he scheduler, but whatev.)22:30
carl_baldwinmestery: no, their requirement is soft.22:30
dougwig /he/the/22:30
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kevinbentondougwig: Nova scheduling integration  would not satisfy their use case22:31
mesteryI'm not sure how that's useful, but ok22:31
armaxcarl_baldwin: I think 2 is a natural consequence of 222:31
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mesterykevinbenton: OK, I give up, explain it to me please and use small words22:31
carl_baldwinarmax: Is that recursive?22:31
dougwigy'all are reading too narrowly into my use of the word scheduler.22:31
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kevinbentonNeutron looks at port object and chooses IP based on host field22:31
armaxkevinbenton: we can only do so when we’re deferring the IP allocation22:32
kevinbentonarmax: yes22:32
armaxto way after the scheduling has taken place22:32
carl_baldwinarmax: which is a consequence of which?22:32
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armax2 consequence of 122:32
armaxbecause if we don’t have late IP assignment, we may not know the host22:32
armaxat all22:32
carl_baldwinarmax: Maybe but I kind of think not necessarily.22:33
carl_baldwinAnyway, their ask here is just to work on getting the host info to IPAM.  They have a spec up but it needs a lot of work.22:33
armaxthat’s not a simple API change, even if internal22:33
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: I'll look at what is already passed in the context of the spec, if we want to approve.22:34
armaxit’s a matter of where the IPAM layer is involved in the port life cycle22:34
armaxso, I guess it’s worth looking at, only after the routed networks effort has started to yield some code22:35
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carl_baldwinarmax: +122:35
amotokiat the current API, we will receive an IP address when port-create, so if we defer IP allocation it is an API change as well.22:35
amotokiarmax: +122:35
carl_baldwinIt *could* be used on my routed networks in the future, so I'm mildly interested myself.22:35
carl_baldwinamotoki: deferring IP address allocation is part of routed networks work already.22:36
amotokicarl_baldwin: yeah, i forgot it.22:36
armaxand I think that derring IP address is a prerequisite to be able to pass a non NULL host to IPAM22:36
carl_baldwinLet's let this simmer.  I'll give some feedback on the spec and show some interest but we'll wait until the routed networks work progresses.22:36
carl_baldwinarmax: right22:37
armaxcarl_baldwin: ack22:37
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armaxbug 154157922:37
openstackbug 1541579 in neutron "Port based HealthMonitor in neutron_lbaas" [Wishlist,Triaged]
armaxdougwig: as LBaaS SME in charge22:37
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dougwigreasonable, i'll comment on the bug on the exact syntax and whatnot.  likely not mitaka, though.22:38
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armaxdougwig: ok22:39
armaxdougwig: I’ll follow up with you22:39
armaxbug 154189522:39
openstackbug 1541895 in neutron "[RFE] [IPAM] Make IPAM driver a per-subnet pool option" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to John Belamaric (jbelamaric)22:39
armaxthis is giving me a bit of a headache22:39
armaxfor a couple of reasons22:40
armaxjokes aside, we have the migration to sort out22:40
armaxbut assumed that’s sorted22:40
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carl_baldwinI'm not sure how much motivation there is behind this request.22:41
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armaxwell I wonder about the actual demand for such a use case22:42
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armaxI need somethign stronger22:42
carl_baldwinarmax: Exactly what I'm wondering.22:42
dougwigmlml -- a mechanism driver that passes all ethernet frames via
armaxto be fair, if we allow for multiple *things* to operate in Neutron22:43
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armaxit’s only natural to extend the concept to IPAM22:43
njohnstondougwig: ROTFL22:43
armaxdougwig: can you write a sepc?22:43
salv-orlandodougwig: there is already a plugin that sends networks requests via email btw22:43
kevinbentonHuman defined networking!22:44
salv-orlandomy opinion is that a feature like this should not be implemented just because it's possible22:44
-amotoki- that was presented in past summits :)22:44
armaxsalv-orlando: +122:44
salv-orlandootherwise we should also do what dougwig suggested: an email based datapath22:44
salv-orlandowhy not22:44
armaxbut do we envision the request down the line?22:44
kevinbentonSo we shouldn't implement any features that are possible?22:44
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armaxI am not sure DHCP is really key and diversity is really needed22:45
salv-orlandoarmax: If the RFE had a description of a use case we might22:45
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armaxhow many IPAM systems does one really need?22:45
carl_baldwinI think we all agree.  Let's push back on this one to build a case for it.22:45
kevinbentonsalv-orl_: +122:45
armaxcarl_baldwin: +122:45
amotokicarl_baldwin: +122:45
salv-orlandobut I don't have a use case, if not selling IPAM from a given vendor as a premium service in a cloud22:45
kevinbentonEach tenant should be able to bring their own ipam22:46
armaxthat’s another one22:46
armaxbug 154467622:46
openstackbug 1544676 in neutron "[RFE] Support for multiple L2 agents on a host" [Wishlist,Triaged]
armaxLL2 agent22:46
armaxmind boggling22:46
kevinbentonWhat? Isn't this supported?22:46
armaxthis is about running multiple L2 agents on the same compute22:46
jnieszthe main reason I submitted the RFE was for upgrades22:46
salv-orlandokevinbenton: not supported until we develop a L1 agent and the ML1 plugin22:46
armaxjniesz: ack22:47
armaxthese are side-ways upgrades22:47
dougwigso, uhh, i'm not even sure we do *one* very well atm.22:47
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armaxmeaning from one technology to another22:47
armaxdougwig: :)22:47
kevinbentonWait, we already support this with certain agents22:47
kevinbentonIt sounds like this is a bug in either lb agent or ovs agent22:47
amotokiI think we can run sriov-agent and ovs-agent.22:48
jnieszor if you want to back a specific network with a particular agent for other reasons22:48
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jnieszlike performance or feature22:48
kevinbentonamotoki: +122:48
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armaxwell this is about different L2 agents22:48
jnieszthe ovs agent will enslave the interface first22:48
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jnieszif you are running ovs+linux bridge22:48
kevinbentonSr-iov is an L2 agent22:48
kevinbentonWe need to see what the fix to allow this would entail22:49
armaxkevinbenton: come on, go beyond my words22:49
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amotokiin my understanding, in theory we allow multiple l2-agents on a same host.22:50
amotokiIf it does not work, I think it is just a bug.22:50
armaxI recall one or two bugs22:50
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armaxwhere you had one agent and switched to another22:50
armaxbut not two at the same time22:50
kevinbentonLet's see how invasive the fix is to see if an rfe is even necessary22:52
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armaxok I have a feel that this is going to be messy22:53
armaxI am not sure this is somethign we can just try out, I imagine this needs some planning22:53
armaxand digging22:53
amotokiagree. if we allow this we will need some gateway between two types of network backends...22:54
armaxwe also would need to be prescriptive of the migration use cases22:55
armaxbecause we can’t simply assume this would work in all possible circustamces22:55
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armaxis this for no downtime migration?22:56
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armaxbecause it’s not that hard to have a predicatble migration path where you unplug and replug the VM’s nic22:56
jnieszfor avoiding dedicating a set of compute hosts for migration22:56
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armaxyou don’t need dedicated hosts to do that22:56
jnieszit is possible to cascade22:57
jnieszas long as the swing space is there22:57
armaxI am unclear as to why you’d need more compute resources if you can tolerate some downitme22:58
armaxwhich is the safest thing to do in migration circumstances anyway22:58
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armaxwe should probably continue the conversation offline22:58
armaxwe’re runnign short22:59
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armaxit’s food for thought22:59
armaxjniesz: thanks for filing the RFE22:59
armaxok, we’ll continue next week from where we left off22:59
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armaxthanks for joining22:59
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