Wednesday, 2016-02-24

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loquacities#startmeeting docteam00:38
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 24 00:38:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.00:38
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.00:38
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'docteam'00:38
loquacitieshi, who's here for the APAC meeting?00:38
* bmoss is here00:39
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bmosshmmm... might be a quiet meeting00:39
loquacitiesyeah00:39
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* darrenc is here00:40
bmosso/00:40
loquacitieshiya darrenc00:40
loquacitieswe'll give everyone another couple of minutes00:41
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darrenchello00:41
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loquacitiesok, it seems as though we've been abandoned00:43
* loquacities really must remember to send that reminder00:44
loquacitiesthanks anyway bmoss and darrenc00:44
darrenc:( no worries00:45
loquacities#endmeeting00:45
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joehuangok. Pengfei, please verify your script and continue your work13:20
joehuangwe'll review your update ASAP13:21
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joehuangHi, Yipei, how about you13:21
Yipeiyesterday,  my vm crashed, I re-install devstack on node1. but still have some problems13:22
PengfeiThank you! I think through this can help me familliar with the structure of Tricircle.13:22
Yipei#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/488005/13:22
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Yipein-sch failed to start13:22
joehuangNova Schedluer failed in start?13:23
Yipeiyes13:24
joehuangOne node installation or two nodes?13:24
Yipeiwhen installing, not starting13:24
Yipeitwo node installation13:24
zhiyuanstrange, check nova.conf to see if scheduler_driver is configured13:24
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joehuangnova scheduler driver is not configured correctly13:25
joehuangthe file can't be loaded properly13:25
Yipeischeduler_driver = filter_scheduler13:26
joehuangand so can't find the driver class13:26
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joehuangit should be pointed to a class name in some file, and check to see if the file findable13:27
joehuangin Node 1 or node 213:27
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joehuangYipei, it may take time for trouble shooting13:28
Yipeiwhich file?13:28
joehuanglet's discuss this tomorrow in #openstack-tricircle13:28
Yipeiok13:28
Yipeisure13:28
Yipeii will go on verifying two-node installation13:29
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Yipeiand try to play tricircle with two-node installation13:30
joehuangand for the multi-region installation problem in devstack, it would be better to configure the region or URL of of KeyStone , and region name for other services, it should be seprateble13:31
joehuangThanks Yipei13:31
Yipeiok, got it13:31
joehuangI am a little busy this week, so quota-set for Nova will be ready for review soon, but not so fast13:32
joehuangAnd someone contact me to work on pod scheduling and cross pod L2 networking, not shown yet13:33
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joehuangSo we will discuss that if he/she comes13:33
joehuangL2 networking is a quite big topic, could be split into several topics13:34
Yipeistep 5 in phrase 3?13:34
Yipei#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleToDo13:34
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Yipeis/phrase/phase13:35
joehuangyes. and pod scheduling could be implemented step by step, just like nova-scheluder, many filter and different algorigthm and framework13:36
joehuangit's also a quite big topic13:37
Yipeii see13:37
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Yipeilook forward to taking part in this topic13:37
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joehuangso we need a framework to load different filter and algorithm, and information collection is different for different algorithm13:38
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joehuangyes13:38
joehuangAnd Peifei also interested in cross pod L2 networking, right?13:39
PengfeiBingo13:39
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joehuangCould Yipei and Pengfei to add your thoughts to the google doc13:39
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PengfeiI may need to read more about the neutron basic knowledge13:40
joehuangok13:40
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joehuangPlease send me your gmail address to me to add you to the google doc editor list13:40
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joehuangsorry, typing error. Please send me your gmail address for adding you to the google doc editor list13:41
Yipeinow?13:41
PengfeiOK~13:41
joehuangmaybe tomorrow or later13:41
Yipeiok13:42
joehuangany other topics?13:42
Yipeino for me13:42
zhiyuan_no13:42
Pengfeino13:42
joehuangZhipeng?13:42
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joehuangOk, Zhipeng's connection may be lost. Let's conclude the meeting13:43
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joehuangSee you, good night13:43
joehuang#endmeeting13:44
zhiyuan_see you13:44
Pengfeisee you13:44
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Yipeisee you13:44
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zhipengsorry the connection went off13:44
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zhipengsee you guys on openstack-tricircle13:44
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Zaraanyone about for storyboard meeting?15:01
SotKanyone here for storyboard?15:01
SotKhah, snap15:01
Zara\o/15:01
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SotK#startmeeting storyboard15:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 24 15:01:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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SotK#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda15:02
Zarasorry, I tried to update the agenda in advance, but couldn't log in to the wiki15:02
SotKno worries :)15:02
SotKI'm pretty sure we already announced tags search15:02
Zarayup15:02
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SotKanything urgent you know of?15:02
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Zaranot really. would be nice to get eyes on email config patches, since it's hurting users, but that's as urgent as always.15:03
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SotK#topic Urgent Items15:04
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SotK#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270331/ Email config for storyboard15:04
betherly_o/ sorry im late :)15:04
SotKhi betherly_15:04
Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270329/15:04
Zara^ depends on that15:04
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SotKAnything else urgent?15:05
* SotK thinks not15:05
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Zaranope15:05
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SotK#topic In Progress Work15:05
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SotK#info SotK is about to send patches for due dates in boards15:05
Zara\o/15:05
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SotKpatches for due dates in worklists will follow later in the week15:06
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Zarahaha, worklists15:06
ZaraI mean, yay!15:06
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Zaraokay, stuff on agenda about timeline events is old15:07
Zara#info we debugged timeline events and a patch was merged to fix it15:07
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Zaraevents should now say something like "task status changed from 'todo' to 'merged'" instead of just "task updated"15:08
ZaraI can't remember the exact wording, but that's what that was about, for anyone missing context15:08
* SotK would like to make it do similar for task names too15:08
Zaraand story descriptions... but that one requires some thought with the template15:09
SotK(and story names/descriptions, but idk how to display that)15:09
SotKsnap again15:09
Zara:D at any rate, the old behaviour is restored15:09
Zaraother in progress things...15:09
Zarasearch is listed. I have some search patches in review15:10
Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278987/15:10
Zarathat makes it more obvious that the header search isn't the 'main' search place15:10
Zaramaybe helpful in the interim while we try to get search working a bit more intuitively15:11
Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279204/15:11
Zaramoves the search icon from the sidebar, to next to the header search15:11
Zaramainly to free up room on the sidebar15:12
* ttx looks up the worklists15:12
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Zaraalso because, as I understand it, eventually the page that button links to should be accessed the page of basic search results, as an 'advanced search'15:13
Zarathere's also a patch for a page to view all boards and worklists on an instance15:13
Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279753/15:14
persiaAll of them?  Another browse interface?15:14
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Zarawhich should make them more discoverable, since currently a user can only browse via the url unless they are an owner or a user15:14
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Zarapersia: yes, all. it's not very useful, and not scalable, it's just more useful than nothing at all right now.15:15
* SotK still isn't sure of the value of that page really15:15
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* persia either15:15
Zaraat this point, mainly so that people can demo things, without adding everyone to a board/worklist15:15
ttxnice work there!15:16
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Zarattx: thank you! :)15:17
Zara(it's SotK's work but I'm saying thank you anyway, haha)15:17
SotKttx: thanks :)15:17
SotKI think we may as well just share links, or make the search page show boards and worklists in its results the same way it does project groups15:17
Zarathe other reason for having a boards/worklists page is so that users can display, say 'all worklists including things in foo story'. I think there are better ways of displaying that, but it might be simplest to start there.15:18
persiaIt might be nice to have a means of discovering lists from a user and/or a team, but that might just be sharing links on other resources.15:18
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persiaZara: That's another use case I don't understand.15:18
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Zara(my worry with linking from search is that it doesn't let people know boards and worklists exist.)15:19
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Zarapersia: swap 'story' for task, then, and add extra filters as appropriate until it matches15:20
persiaRight, but I don't care.15:20
persiaI care about worklists created by a team in which I wish to participate, or by someone with authority to claim my time (or offering reward for tasks done in some other way).15:20
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Zarathat's what I meant by 'extra filters as appropriate', sorry15:21
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persiaI am also interested if several people are raising priority of a task (putting it on their worklist), and I may care who they are (because some "priority" statements are more important to others).  I'm not sure how to get that from what is described.15:22
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Zarashow all worklists for x user, show all worklists for y task, show some combination of the two, etc.15:23
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persiaI suppose I shouldn't complain.  After many years, there is finally an issue tracker with worklists, and it can grow specific features as people use it (plus, without a browse, worklists are less discoverable).15:24
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* SotK thinks that is a valid use for the page, and no longer objects (but still thinks that his dream search page would make all the lists un-needed)15:25
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SotKAny other in progress work?15:25
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persia2000478 was mentioned.  Is that complete now?15:26
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SotKI think so yeah15:27
Zaracan someone link?15:27
SotK#link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200047815:28
Zaraohh, story15:28
ZaraI thought it referred to a commit, heh15:28
* SotK looked at gerrit first also :)15:28
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* persia was looking at the agenda15:28
SotK(then realised it was too long)15:28
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Zaraoh yeah!15:30
Zaratask links!15:30
Zarathese are still in review15:30
Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277481/15:30
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Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277831/15:30
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Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277882/15:31
Zarawe've had a bit of a review bottleneck this week because SotK has been drowned in due-dates work15:31
* SotK will try to get some reviewing done in the near future :)15:32
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Zarathe last one is listed as WIP, but that's just because of the appearance. removing the priority button fixes that, and there is a patch for that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280259/15:32
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ZaraI'm mainly concerned there will be something strange on the python side, anyway.15:33
Zaraoh oh oh15:33
Zaraand finally15:33
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Zaramake search boolean15:34
Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281890/15:34
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Zarathat makes search work a bit better15:34
Zarayou can use operators15:34
Zarasometimes15:34
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Zaraquotation marks are interpreted literally, for some reason15:34
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Zarabut + and - operators have worked for me while testing15:34
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SotKhm, I thought quotation marks were working correctly when I was testing the other day15:35
SotK(where quotation marks are double quotes)15:35
ZaraI tried that and they didn't seem to work (or possibly they worked for some resources and not others, just for extra fun)15:35
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SotK:(15:36
ZaraI think they worked for projects but not stories, but I'd have to check. It improved search enough overall that I didn't dig down at that point.15:36
ZaraI was more interested in 'does this break anything that wasn't broken', heh15:37
SotKany other in progress work?15:37
Zarawell, there's the task IDs patch...15:37
Zarabut that's only interesting to someone testing a gerrit plugin, for example15:37
Zaraand that person could cherry pick the change15:37
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Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272667/15:38
* Zara links anyway15:38
Zarait doesn't look amazing, it might look weird with task links15:38
Zarain which case, task links should come first imo15:38
Zarabecause that's interesting/useful to more people right now15:38
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SotKso many things to review!15:39
SotKany more?15:39
Zarathe roles are reversed! :D15:39
SotK:D15:39
Zarano, I think that's it. from me, anyway15:39
SotKWe've already mentioned the email config situation, so...15:40
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SotK#topic StoryBoard Meetup15:40
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SotKAt the meetup, we said we'd decide on a date for the next one today15:40
Zaraso we did! I completely forgot! :)15:40
Zaramy notes say between May 16th and May 20th15:41
ZaraI assume there was a reason for that15:41
* SotK recalls someone mentioning some dates a little later than those in #storyboard15:42
SotKpersia maybe?15:42
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persiaI suggested somewhere in 22-25 May.15:42
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persiaReason being: ApacheCon (8-14 May), OSCON (14-21 May), pycon (27 May- 6 June)15:43
SotKseems sensible15:43
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persiaThe dates quoted are a bit wider than the official dates, because they represent my estimation of "busy time", including travel, etc.15:44
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ZaraI'm wondering why my notes say 16th-20th, since I wouldn't've written that at random. maybe another conference was mentioned at some point, and I didn't count in 'busy time'15:44
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Zarawe may never know15:45
Zarathat seems fine, anyway15:45
SotKdoes anyone who may wish to attend have a preference they want to express?15:45
SotKbetherly, anteaya, krotscheck, anyone else ^15:46
persiaAlso, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272667/ may be relevant.  Doesn't affect May, but may mean rethinking about the following one.15:46
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persiaErr, http://ttx.re/splitting-out-design-summit.html15:46
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krotscheckEh?15:47
krotscheckAh15:47
krotscheckHrm.15:47
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krotscheckNo preference. I my travel budget's already allocated, so I won't be able to come regardless.15:47
betherlyIm going to be away 19-27th may :/15:47
ZaraI don't think the split affects us much (except to avoid design summit dates). We benefited from a full day of storyboard talk and that's unlikely to happen at a summit.15:48
betherlybefore/after then works for me :)15:48
Zarafor me the change looks like it will mean same expenses, same need for midcycle, and worse food, but I doubt that'll sway anyone's decision15:49
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SotKhow would we feel about having it sometime after 27th May then?15:50
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ZaraI'd rather try for earlier, and find out if anyone interested is actually going to OSCON or Apachecon.15:50
SotKpersia?15:50
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persiaI'm not confident I can get to Manchester anytime in May right now, so don't let my schedule affect planning.15:51
Zara(otherwise it has to be after 6th June)15:51
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* SotK is fine with earlier15:52
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* betherly is also fine with earlier15:52
* Zara arbitrarily picks 16th May for now. It clashes with OSCON. register anger if you want to go to OSCON.15:53
Zarathat gives betherly a few days in between before travelling15:53
SotKwfm15:53
betherlyditto :)15:54
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persiaDespite being unsure of my attendance, I think earlier is better in terms of not conflicting with other things.15:55
SotK#info 16th May picked as the date for the next StoryBoard meetup (for now)15:55
SotK#topic Open Discussion15:55
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Zara3 mins left15:55
Zaraoh, my clock's outta sync15:55
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Zara*5* mins left15:55
SotKanyone have anything to discuss?15:56
Zarawe should get dev instance15:56
ZaraI asked infra about it15:56
Zarahaven't noticed a response, if infra's too busy, can we set one up ourselves?15:56
Zaraor resurrect storyboard.sotk.co.uk15:56
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* SotK will look at resurrection (or reincarnation) when he's done with due dates15:57
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Zaraokay, wfm15:57
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ZaraI just didn't want it slipping through the cracks, thanks15:57
Zarathat's me done15:57
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SotK#action SotK to resurrect storyboard.sotk.co.uk for a playground instance until we get a proper dev instance sorted15:58
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SotKAnything else?15:58
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* SotK assumes not, and if there is it can go in #storyboard :)16:00
SotK#endmeeting16:00
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 24 16:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
thingeeo/16:00
SwansonHello16:00
yuriy_n17Hi!16:00
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dulekhi!16:00
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smcginnis#topic Announcements16:01
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DuncanTGreetings and salutations16:01
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xyang1hi16:01
jgriffithGood day all16:01
smcginnisWe're very quickly coming up on deadlines.16:01
smcginnis#link http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html Mitaka deadlines16:01
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jgriffithwait.. that would imply I"m leaving16:01
diablo_rojoHello :)16:01
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jgriffithbswartz: don't be creepy16:01
smcginnis:)16:01
baumannHello!16:02
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smcginnisWe need to wrap up os-brick ASAP.16:02
erlonhey16:02
smcginnisAlso need to make sure whatever we need in the client gets some focus.16:02
smcginnisWe can always realease a newer client, but it would be nice to have everything we need in there for the "final" Mitaka cut.16:02
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smcginnisSo.. review, review, review. :)16:03
smcginnis#topic Oslo Releases16:03
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smcginnisNot sure who put this one on the agenda.16:03
jungleboyjsmcginnis: That was me.16:03
smcginnisjungleboyj: Ah, good. Take er away.16:03
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Just wanted to share that we should now have the last oslo library releases out.16:03
smcginnisPossible exception to oslo-privsep.16:04
jungleboyjWe didn't have any bugs there that I am aware of.  Oh, yes.16:04
* smcginnis probably should have put os-brick/privsep on the agenda16:04
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dulekWhat happens if there's a critical issue in oslo.sth?16:04
dulekAre fixes and global-req bumps allowed in RCs?16:05
jungleboyjI am planning on working to get what is left of incubator pulled out.16:05
smcginnisdulek: I believe we have in the past.16:05
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: Yes, I think so.16:05
smcginnisjungleboyj: Awesome, would be good to get that cleaned up.16:06
dulekjungleboyj: e0ne was working on pulling out imageutils, but he failed.16:06
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Agreed.16:06
dulekjungleboyj: I don't remember why exactly.16:06
jungleboyjdulek: I wondered about that as I was looking at what was left in there.16:06
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jungleboyjI will work on getting as much cleaned up as I can over the next few weeks.16:06
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smcginnisjungleboyj: Thanks, I guess we can get as much pulled out as we can for now and clean up later.16:07
jungleboyjThat was all I had to share from Oslo.16:07
smcginnisjungleboyj: Thanks!16:07
smcginnis#topic Replication and microversions16:07
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smcginnisSo these were some of the higher priority items we identified for Mitaka.16:08
smcginnisI think they are both very close.16:08
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DuncanTmicroversions looks good to me - I'd have +2d it except I try to avoid doing that with code from my own team16:08
smcginnisIf we can get some cores to sign up for reviews on those, that has worked well in the past I think.16:08
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scottdaDuncanT: We're on the same team?16:09
jgriffithsmcginnis: if dulek is ok with it now I say merge it!  BEFORE eharney 's patch preferably :)16:09
eharneyhaha16:09
smcginnisHah16:09
smcginnisjgriffith: I agree16:09
jgriffithat least I didn't loose another db migration :)16:09
smcginnisI've done limited testing on both, and I'm fine with getting them in now.16:09
jgriffithsmcginnis: FWIW I do plan to follow up with more cleanup and "old" code removal16:09
dulekjgriffith: I'll look into the new patchset, but it should be cool.16:10
jgriffithbut wanted to get the base in16:10
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vincent_houyes. it looks fine now16:10
smcginnisI'm sure we'll find _some_ issue, probably with both, but that should just be a bug fix.16:10
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jgriffithsmcginnis: yes, agreed16:10
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smcginnisThe overall direction and behavior looks right to me.16:10
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jgriffithsmcginnis: perfect is the enemy of the good IMHO16:10
smcginnisjgriffith: +100016:10
hemna:)16:10
Swansonjgriffith, thought list_replication_targets was going away.16:10
jungleboyjjgregor: ++16:10
eharneyi'm ok with just bumping my rpc version and setting depends-on jgriffith's patch if we think it would help everything slide in together16:11
jgriffithSwanson: it did16:11
smcginnisMoving on before Swanson derails things...16:11
smcginnis:P16:11
scottdasmcginnis: So should we name a date for reviewers to "speak or hold your peace"?16:11
hemnascottda, I presume we have a client patch to test microversions as well ?16:11
hemnaand is that also ready?16:11
jgriffithSwanson: I think you're seeing the old V1 or V2.0 version in there16:11
eharneybut mine is ready to approve like... now, so it's kinda up to whichever is first16:11
scottdahemna: I'm still adding changes to the client for new /v3 endpoint16:11
hemnadang16:11
hemnaok16:11
smcginnisscottda: Sure. If anyone has any major concerns, comment on those patches now.16:11
* DuncanT has been testing with curl16:11
jgriffithI can rework it with the rpc bump after eharney 's lands.. no big deal16:11
smcginnisOtherwise I'd actually like to see them go in today.16:11
scottdaprevious client patch worked, but I'm trying to get keystone to ACK the new endpoint ATM16:12
* DuncanT will look at replication this evening16:12
smcginnis#topic Cinder-Nova API changes16:12
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smcginnisscottda: Hey16:12
scottdahi16:13
scottdaWe've identified issues with cinder-nova:16:13
scottdaneed to be able to update Cinder's connector info for live migration & evacuate...16:13
scottdaneed to pass in instance_id and host for multi-attach..16:13
scottdaneed to pass in connector at attach time..16:13
scottdaprobably some more.16:13
hemnaand update the connector16:14
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scottdaSo, we're attempting to corral all this stuff and come  up with a cross-project spec for fixes.16:14
scottdahemna: Yes, that's up there ^^^16:14
hemnaThere is a ML topic on this as well16:14
jgriffithscottda: so I don't think you need all of that16:14
smcginnisscottda: Will be nice to get that captured in one place.16:14
hemnafor anyone that cares16:14
jgriffithscottda: I'm working on a patch now that I can submit later today16:14
jgriffithscottda: there's *another* misunderstanding/misuse of detach and terminate connection similar to what we had on attach/initiatlize16:15
scottdajgriffith: OK, well It'd be great to save a bunch of work. But there seem to be a bunch of IRC discussions and ML posts around all this.16:15
jgriffithscottda: but IMHO the correct fix is to build the volume_attachment entry using the connector during initialize_connection16:15
hemnajgriffith, well as long as the connector information is available to drivers that need it at terminate_connection time16:15
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jgriffithscottda: then you don't need it any more on the detach/terminate because you "already" have it16:16
scottdajgriffith: That sounds great. We'd still need to be able to update connector info for nova migration and evacuate, I think.16:16
jgriffithhemna: yes, it will be16:16
hemnajgriffith, we still need to update it for live migration16:16
jgriffithscottda: you can be greedy if you want16:16
hemnajgriffith, look forward to seeing the patch :)16:16
jgriffithhemna: scottda ok, I'm out then16:17
hemnathanks for that16:17
jgriffithI'm not going to boil the ocean here16:17
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sheelhello all..(joined late :( )16:17
jgriffithpick a problem and solve it.. I can't solve all of the 3par problems either16:17
scottdajgriffith: Your patch sounds helpful, but there are a few things that need doing and I'm just trying to tame the complexity of it all:16:17
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scottdahttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-nova-api-changes16:17
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jgriffithbecause I don't even know/understand what all of them are16:17
hemnajgriffith, it's not just 3par that needs the connector at terminate16:18
scottdaSo, anyone interested , sign up and pay attention.16:18
smcginnis#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-nova-api-changes16:18
smcginnisI think it will be good to have this captured somewhere.16:18
jgriffithhemna: why don't you pick which topic you want to discuss here?16:18
smcginnisWe've had too much speculation on what different backends need.16:18
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smcginnisAnd what nova does or does not need and what cinder does or does not need.16:18
smcginnisAt least having it captured in a spec helps us get closer to actual data.16:19
jgriffithhemna: I'm fixing the incorrect code in Cinder that causes us to not have connector info at terminate_connection16:19
hemnagreat, like I said I'm looking forward to seeing the patch16:19
scottdajgriffith: That sounds like it will solve a whole lot of problems.16:19
hemnaI'll pull it and play with it.16:19
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jgriffithhemna: I don't know about the live-migration issues for 3par etc... but I'm not going to spend hours reworking code to have it rejected for a specific drivers evacuate or live-migration problem16:19
jgriffithhemna: ok16:19
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smcginnisYep, let's work it out once we have code to look at.16:20
jgriffithFTR I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel or solve all of the worlds problems at once.  Just one thing at a time please16:20
smcginnisscottda: Anything else to add for Cinder-Nova?16:20
scottdajgriffith: It has been hard to communicate with NOva about this. That is part of what we are trying to do.16:21
scottdasmcginnis: No, that's it.16:21
smcginnisscottda: Thanks16:21
smcginnis#topic os-brick with privsep16:21
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smcginnisI wanted to bring this up here.16:21
smcginnisWe have a patch out there waiting a requirements update.16:22
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smcginnisAnd honestly I think that's going to come through too late.16:22
smcginnisBut I want to make sure folks are aware of it.16:22
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* DuncanT thinks that this provsep patch is totally broken anyway16:22
hemnasmcginnis, did you see Angus' ML post ?16:22
smcginnisI've had a LOT of pressure to make sure this is available in os-brick in Mitaka.16:22
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smcginnishemna: Yep, I think that was good.16:22
hemnaso I plan on pulling his latest and test it locally again16:23
hemnait's been very unstable16:23
smcginnisThe main point of contention is we currently have a locking with Nova.16:23
hemnaI'm concerned about breaking the world right now16:23
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smcginnishemna: Thanks, let me know what you see with the latest.16:23
smcginnishemna: Me too.16:23
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hemnathis is a big change with big risk16:23
smcginnisSo I'm extremely hesitant to allow this in.16:23
smcginnisBut I do understand the concern that right now we need to sync up rootwrap filters with cinder and nova.16:24
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smcginnisSo we have a compatiblity problem between versions.16:24
smcginnisBut that was there in Liberty.16:24
scottdasmcginnis: But I think it's not an issue for Mitaka, since we didn't add any new filters to Nova.16:24
hemnaso we technically have 2 days to release client libs16:24
smcginnisAnd it's not going to be any worse in Mitaka16:24
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hemnaaccording to the schedule16:24
smcginnisscottda: Right16:24
smcginnisSo saying it here - I don't think this will go in.16:24
hemnaI think we are safer by not landing this just now16:25
smcginnisIt's too late and there's not enough comfort level with it.16:25
hemnaand try and get it in early N16:25
Swansonso save the effort and look at it then?16:25
smcginnisBut I know that will be challenged, so just making it clear.16:25
scottdaI don't think there is any urgent reason to get it in.16:25
hemnawe could always back it out, I suppose16:25
smcginnisI agree, early on in N and we can get runtime on it.16:25
hemnabut I think there are cinder and nova patches that go with this change16:25
smcginnishemna: Yes16:26
smcginnishemna: Another good point.16:26
hemnayup16:26
smcginnisThat's all I had to say about it. Just wanted to raise it here so everyone is aware.16:26
smcginnis#topic Open Disucssion16:26
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smcginnisAnyone got anything?16:26
DuncanTQuick question on the spec tracking page16:26
DuncanTOnce something is totally merged, can we just delete it off that page?16:27
DuncanT(or abandoned complete as in one case)16:27
smcginnisYeah, good point.16:27
smcginnisThat should be cleaned up.16:27
* dulek removed rolling upgrades, last +2/+A already happened.16:28
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bswartzsmcginnis: midcycle meetup plans?16:29
jungleboyjdulek: Removed?16:29
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smcginnisbswartz: Start planning for the next one?16:29
bswartzI just wondered if any progress was made towards planning16:29
DuncanTDublin this time?16:29
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dulekjungleboyj: From etherpad. :D16:30
smcginnisI would still like to do a Europe midcycle for our non-US folks.16:30
bswartzif it's international more time is needed to plan travel16:30
jungleboyjdulek: Ah!  Thank you.16:30
smcginnisMight be the last midcycle before it turns into something else.16:30
smcginnisUnfortunately.16:30
jungleboyjContext is everything.16:30
DuncanTWe can host in Israel if people want16:30
smcginnisbswartz: Good point.16:30
smcginnisDuncanT: Hah, that could cause issues I think. :)16:30
hemnaI would like to, but I'm sure HPE Roseville wouldn't get travel approval at all for it.16:30
smcginnisThough I would love to.16:30
dulekIntel@Gdansk may be also an option, it's quite nice here in the summer.16:31
smcginnishemna: None?16:31
hemnanope16:31
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scottdasmcginnis: I don't think changing the way summits & design sessions work will eliminate the need for face-to-face time, i.e. mid-cycles. Just my opinion...16:31
dulekI would need to confirm with management though.16:31
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DuncanTIn fact if I talk to NetApp Tel Aviv, we can get decent wifi on the beach....16:31
hemnascottda, +116:31
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diablo_rojoscottda: +!16:31
hemnaDuncanT, nice!16:31
smcginnisscottda: In some views of the proposal, the design summit becomes the midcycle.16:31
diablo_rojolol +116:31
smcginnisDepends how that all plays out.16:31
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sheelwhat about india?16:32
sheelanyone interested?16:32
scottdasmcginnis: We'd still need mid-cycles in between, call them what you will.16:32
bswartzwait -- our tel aviv office is on the beach?16:32
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hemnadon't we have any companies in Hawaii?16:32
smcginnissheel: I have my visa, but I don't know if everyone can get through that process in time. :)16:32
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smcginnisscottda: I agree.16:32
smcginnisAnd I really really hope we don't lose those.16:32
sheelsmcginnis: ok16:33
smcginnisBut if vendors need to send folks to the Summit, the design summit, _and_ a midcycle...16:33
DuncanTbswartz: I think so, yeah16:33
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DuncanTbswartz: It's either yours or a company here you own16:33
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hemnasmcginnis, +1  I don't really care for the proposed changes myself.16:33
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jungleboyjhemna: I agree. Going to make things even harder.16:33
smcginnishemna: I have a lot of... concerns.16:33
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thingeeLA is an option. there are some openstack related companies around that might be able to host.16:34
scottdaSeems like a tops-down decision16:34
smcginnisthingee: +116:34
thingeeand specifically in my hometown pasadena where everything you could want is in walking distance.16:34
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smcginnisWell, for now, this is a good notice.16:34
diablo_rojothingee: +116:34
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smcginnisAnyone interested/willing to host the next midcycle, start asking internally I guess.16:34
jungleboyjAn international mid-cycle will have smaller participation from IBM I am sure.16:35
smcginnisEspecially non-US that would be in a good, convenient location for folks.16:35
DuncanTPeople who have concerns should shout up on the list, otherwise the change will happen16:35
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jungleboyjThinking the usual late july early August time?16:35
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smcginnisjungleboyj: Yeah, that sounds good to me.16:35
thingeejungleboyj: yea16:35
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diablo_rojosmcginnis: You should get Dell to do it so people could stay in the cities.16:35
smcginnisI really would like to see, assuming they stick around, we have 1 out of 5 or so midcycles internationally if possible.16:36
sheelsmcginnis: right, may be i need some idea what requires in hosting one...silly question though...16:36
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: Better than this neutron midcycle in February in MN. ;)16:36
smcginnisThought this one actually worked out OK.16:36
diablo_rojosmcginnis: Truth. Also in Rochester..16:36
kmartinsheel, working wifi16:37
sheelkmartin: done16:37
sheeland?16:37
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scottdasheel: Easy for people to get to16:37
sheel:)16:37
DuncanTsheel: A room capable of holding 35 or so people, good wifi, a near by hotel16:37
vincent_houprojectors, larger rooms...16:37
hemnaDuncanT, by a beach....16:37
scottdasheel: Free gourmet food16:37
DuncanThemna: ++16:38
kmartinand some might include "good beer" in that list16:38
hemnakmartin, +A16:38
bswartzDuncanT: don't forget the importance of the dance scene16:38
jungleboyjkmartin: Loves beating a dead horse.16:38
sheelI think all seams ok except beach16:38
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xyang1sheel: you take care of visa for everyone:)16:38
DuncanTkmartin: 90%+ of survey respondents always do16:38
smcginnisReally the requirements are near a mostly convenient international airport, a room for 25-30 people, and working network.16:38
sheelxyang: hehe16:38
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sheelxyang1: hehe16:38
sheelsmcginnis: it can be arrange16:39
sheelsmcginnis: I will discuss16:39
smcginnissheel: Where are you again. On the beach in Goa? :)16:39
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sheelsmcginnis: intenarlly16:39
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Also tables that can be arranged in a U or something like that is better than separate round tables.16:39
hemnaRaleigh was good though.  cheap flights16:39
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smcginnissheel: Cool, thanks!16:39
sheelsmcginnis: nopes...in delhi..16:39
DuncanTGood dancing in Raleigh too16:39
smcginnisRaleigh was good. I'd do Ft Collins any time. CA could be nice if it's not in the bay area.16:40
xyang1diablo_rojo: dance video?16:40
jungleboyjRaleigh did work pretty well also.16:40
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: Love Fort Collins!16:40
scottdaFt collins is always available. I just don't want to hog it.16:40
diablo_rojoxyang1: I have video of dancing but jungleboyj didn't drink enough to dance.16:40
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hemnaI do love Ft. Collins16:40
hemna:)16:40
smcginnis+116:40
diablo_rojo+116:40
xyang1diablo_rojo: I am disappointed:)16:41
smcginnisOK, well folks think about it and get some wheels turning.16:41
smcginnisAnything else before I call it?16:41
diablo_rojoxyang1: I will get him line dancing at some point and get you a video.16:41
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jungleboyjxyang1: I am sorry.  Next time.16:41
xyang1diablo_rojo: looking forward to it16:41
smcginnisThanks everyone!16:41
jungleboyjAnd now that conversation is forever immortalized.16:42
smcginnis#endmeeting16:42
xyang1jungleboyj: ok:)16:42
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jlvillal#startmeeting ironic_qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 24 17:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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jlvillalHello everyone17:00
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jlvillalAs always the agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA17:00
krtaylorhi jlvillal, may be a light meeting today17:00
jlvillal#topic Announcements17:00
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jlvillalkrtaylor: I wouldn't be surprised.17:01
jlvillalI don't have any announcements. Does anyone else?17:01
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jlvillal#info TinyIPA job has been added to the gate as non-voting17:01
jlvillalOkay, moving on17:02
jlvillal#topic Grenade testing of Ironic17:02
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jlvillal#info jlvillal has created an environment to simulate the devstack-gate  https://github.com/JohnVillalovos/devstack-gate-test17:02
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jlvillalSo myself, mgould, and a co-workers have used that environment to test the ironic grenade job17:03
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jlvillal#info Have proposed being able to base the Tempest REGEX down through Grenade. Currently getting push-back on proposal from sdague17:04
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jlvillal#info Alternative idea would be to flag out every test that isn't currently being run when we use the baremetal REGEX when running Ironic.17:05
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jlvillal#info Idea there would be to try to get same tests to run in 'smoke' as currently run with the 'baremetal' REGEX17:05
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krtaylorjlvillal, so not be able to do skips via REGEX?17:06
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jlvillalkrtaylor: At the moment we use the REGEX for our normal Ironic gate.17:06
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jlvillalBut when doing Grenade, it doesn't allow usage of the REGEX.17:06
jlvillalLet me find my patches17:06
krtaylorright, but that is acceptable in check/gate but not grenade?17:07
jlvillalWell I guess it is a matter of opinion :)17:07
krtaylorseems like a simple fix17:07
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jlvillalI would think we should run the same tests in both our normal gate as in Grenade.17:07
krtaylor++17:07
jlvillal#link https://review.openstack.org/24101817:07
jlvillal#link https://review.openstack.org/24104417:08
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jlvillalSo have made pretty good progress. But running into an issue where openstackclient is spitting out a wonky error.17:08
krtaylorah, yes, I remember the 3 VM discussion17:09
jlvillal#info Running into bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/154909517:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1549095 in Ironic "devstack fails while running Ironic grenade job: init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'token'" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to John L. Villalovos (happycamp)17:09
jlvillalI have reached out to an openstackclient contact in my company to see if they can help.17:09
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krtaylorhi devananda17:10
jlvillalI have no idea why getting that error. But it happens in my test environment and also in the gate.17:10
jlvillalMy theory/wild-a**-guess is that it is something is broken between stable/liberty and new libraries.17:10
jlvillalAs we don't see that error in our currently running gate.17:10
jlvillal#action jlvillal to try to resolve bug with assistance from openstackclient developer.17:11
jlvillalSo that's all I got. Any questions?17:12
krtaylorjlvillal, I know we also had stable branch problems, I'll ask our powerkvm CI team for help17:12
jlvillalAnd hello devananda17:12
jlvillalkrtaylor: Thanks17:12
devanandajlvillal: re: which tests to run - yes, I agree we should run the same functional & integration tests in both the existing gate jobs and the grenade jobs. It sounds like the issue is how to trigger the selection of those jobs17:12
jlvillaldevananda: Agreed. I'm okay proposing a patch to flag-out all the tests that run in 'smoke' that we don't currently run in our gate.17:13
devanandarather than flag out every test we don't want to run -- because that will result in any NEW test potentially breaking our gate -- we should add a decorator that says "this is a test we SHOULD run against Ironic"17:13
devanandaie, make it opt-in instead of opt-out17:13
jlvillalIf we do that and get it merged, then I think we should switch to using smoke in our gate, so that we stay in sync.17:14
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devanandaso that we (the ironic team) need to actively agree to adding new tests that run in our gate17:14
jlvillaldevananda: I'm not sure if that is how tempest works or not. I'll have to look again. It has been more than a month since I looked at the tempest code...17:14
krtaylordevananda, ++ decorator for opt-in17:14
jlvillalI remember things to opt-out.17:15
devanandathat only makes sense for an integrated gate17:15
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devanandaif another project can add a test to tempest, and that will automatically be run in our gate ==> problem17:15
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krtayloror, just support skips in grenade  :)17:15
devanandaI do not believe tempest was written to behave that way17:15
jlvillalAgreed!17:15
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jlvillal#action jlvillal to investigate if Tempest tests can be opt-in for bare-metal, using a decorator.17:16
jlvillalAnything else?17:16
jlvillalOkay moving on.17:16
jlvillal#topic Functional testing17:17
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jlvillalDoes anyone have any updates?17:17
mjturek1hey jlvillal, nothing from me unfortunately. maurosr did you make any progress there?17:17
maurosrmjturek1: no, I was focused on ci only17:17
mjturek1I am wondering if we could discuss coverage a bit more17:18
jlvillalmjturek1: What do you mean?17:18
mjturek1are there tests in mind that belong in functional testing17:18
jlvillalmjturek1: Do you mean current tests? Or tests in general?17:18
mjturek1tests in general17:19
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jlvillalmjturek1: I would think we should look first at the API and see if we can exercise the API.17:19
jlvillalironic-api17:19
mjturek1jlvillal: I beleive devananda wasn't for that17:20
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jlvillalAnother thing might be functional testing that calls the ironic-conductor directly via RPC.17:20
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jlvillalThose are ideas of mine.17:20
mjturek1ahh, that makes sense17:20
jlvillalmjturek1: I'm open to suggestions :)17:21
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mjturek1jlvillal: db tests possibly? maurosr wasn't that one idea?17:22
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jlvillalmjturek1: And could do a thing where call the API and maybe have a fake conductor that responds. So make sure the API is calling the conductor how we think???17:22
jlvillalI'm just brain-storming17:22
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mjturek1right17:23
jlvillalMaybe DB tests too. I haven't thought about that much. But I could see a call to the API which goes to the conductor and then we check that the database has what we expect.  Possibly that???17:23
mjturek1jlvillal: do you think moving current tests from tempest should be the main focus though?17:23
jlvillalI don't like the word 'moving'17:24
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mjturek1heh, migrating?17:24
jlvillalI don't like that either :)17:24
jlvillal'copying'17:24
krtaylorI think the idea was duplicating first17:24
krtayloryes17:24
mjturek1ahhhh, got it17:25
jlvillalI don't like a word that implies that we remove a test from tempest.17:25
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mjturek1gotcha17:25
jlvillalBut yes, using current tempest tests as a framework/ideas on tests to put into functional testing, is a good idea.17:25
mjturek1fair enough, so we could copy over tests we think are appropriate for initial functional testing17:26
jlvillalmjturek1: That sounds good to me.17:26
jlvillalAs a first step.17:26
mjturek1yep, totally17:26
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mjturek1thanks jlvillal!17:26
jlvillalmjturek1: Thank you.17:26
jlvillalAnything else before moving on?17:27
mjturek1I'm good17:27
jlvillalOkay, moving on17:27
jlvillal#topic 3rd Party CI (krtaylor)17:27
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jlvillalkrtaylor: All yours17:27
krtaylorI did a initial scrub for infra requirements for our CI systems17:27
krtaylorbasically trying to verify the M2 milestone17:28
krtaylorall results were posted here:17:28
krtaylor#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI17:28
krtaylormost lined up properly17:28
krtaylorthere are still a few questions I have on in-tree drivers, systems that are testing17:29
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krtaylorI'll sort those out17:29
krtaylorI have already talked to a few teams and fixed up some info17:29
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krtaylorother than that, that is all I have this week for CI17:30
krtaylorI really need to put all this into a table17:30
krtaylorit will be MUCH easier to digest17:30
krtaylorsomething like the nova hypervisor support table17:31
krtaylorall in time17:31
krtaylorany questions? comments?17:31
jlvillalkrtaylor: I gave you contact info for tanlin in regard to AMT. I added it to the Etherpad.17:31
devanandakrtaylor: ++ to an ironic driver matrix table17:31
jlvillalkrtaylor: Might have to be a Wiki page. Not sure if Etherpad does tables...17:32
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krtaylorjlvillal, it does, but with another plugin17:32
krtaylorbut I'm thinking wiki page anyway17:33
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jlvillalAnything else?17:33
krtaylortill next week then17:33
mgouldhas anyone worked with the openstack-puppet test infrastructure before?17:33
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jlvillalmgould: Let's wait until the next topic :)17:34
mgouldoh, sorry, I thought we'd moved on to AOB17:34
jlvillal#topic Open Discussion / General QA topics17:34
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jlvillalmgould: go! :)17:34
mgouldhurrah!17:34
krtaylormgould, there are a bunch of test teams that have, what did you need?17:35
mgouldhas anyone worked with the openstack-puppet test framework before?17:35
jlvillalI have not used it.  Except for in my devstack-gate-test it runs some puppet stuff to setup the environment17:35
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mgouldkrtaylor, my current question is "why does it keep checking out the master branch whenever I try to run the unit tests?"17:36
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jlvillalmgould: Might be able to get some help over at #openstack-qa or #openstack-infra17:37
mgouldie, commit changes -> run tests -> tests pass -> oh, that's because it was testing a different branch17:37
mgouldjlvillal, I'll try that, thanks17:37
krtaylormgould, I'd need more info, btw, openstack-infra is a good place, or I set up a channel for third-party-ci17:37
krtaylorcalled #openstack-third-party-ci   :)17:38
jlvillalAnything else to discuss?17:38
mgouldsensible name :-)17:38
jlvillalOkay I think that does it.17:39
jlvillalThanks everyone!17:39
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jlvillal#endmeeting17:39
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skraynev_#startmeeting heat20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 24 20:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is skraynev_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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skraynev_#topic rollcall20:00
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stevebakerzaneb: ping20:01
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skraynev_zaneb. shardy: ping20:01
skraynev_:)20:01
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skraynev_oh. ok20:01
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skraynev_ok. let's start20:01
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skraynev_#topic Adding items to agenda20:02
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skraynev_#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-02-24_2000_UTC.2920:02
skraynev_IMO it's enough for today20:02
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skraynev_p.s. I think, that  all BPs we may discuss during topic m320:02
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skraynev_#topic Newton design summit space needs20:03
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skraynev_the easiest one ;)20:03
skraynev_ttx send mail about requesting number of rooms for Austin20:04
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skraynev_do we need the same number like for Tokyo summit?20:04
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skraynev_it's    ->>> Heat            4       8       120:04
zaneblast couple of times were good IMO20:04
skraynev_4 Fishbowl and 8 Work rooms20:05
zaneb+120:05
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stevebakerI think the numbers were good, if we're struggling to find heat-only topics then we can always make topics more cross project20:05
skraynev_obviously it's work for N cycle PTL :) but they want to know this number before 6 Mar20:05
jdob_lt+120:06
skraynev_zaneb, stevebaker: yeah. I totally agree, IMO the last number was nice :)20:06
skraynev_so it's done.20:07
skraynev_#topic OSC commands20:07
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neelashah1https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-support-python-openstackclient20:07
skraynev_re: previous topic - I will confirm numbers20:07
stevebakerhi20:08
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skraynev_stevebaker: I have seen, that you proposed patch to releases repo20:08
mohankumar_hi20:08
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stevebakerwe need to tag 1.0.0 very soon now for the client lib freeze.20:08
skraynev_neelashah1: is it updated page?20:08
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stevebakerskraynev_: that etherpad is up to date20:08
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neelashah1skraynev_ yes that page is upto date20:08
skraynev_stevebaker: ok. so we have 2 days to merge last patches. I expected, that we will release new version at Friday20:09
stevebakerI'm assuming that anything which adds cli features can't be backported to the 1.0.x series, hence the urgency of getting these osc enhancements reviewed20:09
neelashah1the top 4 (essentially 3 commits) need to get in and they are all ready, the rest could possibly fixes via bugs? stevebaker - do you agree?20:10
skraynev_stevebaker: I have doubts about backporting to 1.0.020:10
stevebakerI would like feedback on whether "openstack stack failure list" should be considered for 1.0.0. I'm too biased to make a judgement20:10
skraynev_AFAIK we can do it only for stable releases20:10
stevebakerskraynev_: changing --wait to use events is pretty big, it changes the output20:11
skraynev_stevebaker: got it, so top 5 are most important for us20:11
stevebakerlet me reorg that etherpad for needs to be in 1.0.0 vs later20:11
skraynev_stevebaker: sure. it will be perfect20:12
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skraynev_stevebaker:so there are only two...20:13
stevebakerany other changes you all think should be in the "can land after" list?20:13
markvanmetavar one is a basic refactor, but should really go in, IMO20:14
stevebakermarkvan: true, it conflicts with quite a bit though20:15
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skraynev_stevebaker: I think, that  we need to define final commit for releases repo to Friday evening20:16
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skraynev_so it's 1.5 days..20:16
skraynev_so my question is: who will update your patch?20:17
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stevebakerskraynev_: yes, I'm proposing that the "Needs to be in 1.0.0" list is that20:17
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stevebakerskraynev_: Its my weekend and I'm at a beer festival, so I think that is you ;)20:17
randallburtlol20:17
skraynev_skraynev_:  lol.20:17
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skraynev_Due to this great news I wrongly copy-pasted my own nick....20:18
zaneblol20:18
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skraynev_ok. Friday after launch time.20:18
skraynev_I will do it20:19
stevebakerthanks20:19
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neelashah1skraynev_ is that US morning on friday? (assuming you meant your lunch time on fri)20:20
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skraynev_stevebaker: np ;)20:20
skraynev_neelashah1: right20:20
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skraynev_I added reminder at 13.00 UTC20:21
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skraynev_I think, that's ok20:21
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skraynev_go to the last one20:22
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skraynev_#topic M3 status20:22
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skraynev_#link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/mitaka-320:22
skraynev_We have a lot of BPs :)20:22
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skraynev_so review for them is appreciated20:22
randallburtimmutable params landed earlier today so that's done20:22
skraynev_randallburt: I have seen, that you also have a patch for functional tests20:23
randallburtwhoops, the functional tests need updating20:23
skraynev_also I'd like to see patch for Reno about this stuff20:23
randallburtforgot about that one20:23
stevebakerjdob_lt: is there anything left for multi-environments? everything listed on the whiteboard has landed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/multi-environments20:23
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randallburtskraynev_:  not sure what you mean about Reno20:23
skraynev_randallburt: wait a sec..20:24
zanebI would really like to see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/mark-unhealthy land. I will rebase it in a minute20:24
skraynev_randallburt: something like that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282953/20:24
stevebakerThis looks complete https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/heat-stack-resource-search20:24
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randallburtskraynev_:  right, gotcha20:25
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skraynev_randallburt: it's  short summary of your feature20:25
stevebakerskraynev_: there appear to be a bunch of Needs Code Review which are merged20:25
randallburtskraynev_:  yep. will ping Jason since James is no longer working on it20:26
skraynev_stevebaker: I am happy if it's true :) So feel free to update them20:26
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stevebakerskraynev_: Its often hard to be sure though, going through them all and checking with the assignee helps20:26
skraynev_randallburt: good. Please ping me tomorrow and I will take a look (it requires couple minutes for review->merge->update BP)20:26
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randallburtskraynev_:  sure. jasond or I will ping you20:27
jdob_ltstevebaker, i havent looked, has the CLI patch landed?20:27
skraynev_stevebaker: I am not familiar with processing FFE, so could you guide me. IMO LBs v2 is the best candidate for it20:28
* jdob_lt looking20:28
jdob_ltstevebaker, ok, so, the server-side stuff landed, and that's fine to sit there and not affect anything20:29
stevebakerjdob_lt: not all of them. Could you please update the "needs to be in 1.0.0" list? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-support-python-openstackclient https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Jay+Dobies%22+status:open20:29
jdob_lti do have a backward compatible solution for the CLIt hat has not landed yet: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239504/20:29
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jdob_ltwill do20:29
stevebakerjdob_lt: regarding that, does it result in 2 copies of all files being sent?20:29
jdob_lteh, not exactly two copies20:30
jdob_ltper se20:30
jdob_ltit results in both the merged env and each of the envs being sent20:30
jdob_ltbut in theory, those aren't necessarily the same thing20:30
stevebakerbut each env has file contents?20:30
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jdob_lte.g. if you had 10 envs that all specify the same value, we'll send all 10, but just the single last value in the client-side merged one20:30
zanebstevebaker: 'files' isn't part of the env20:30
skraynev_stevebaker: do I correctly understand, that this BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/heat-support-python-openstackclient may be marked as Implemented after releasing 1.0.0 ?20:31
stevebakerzaneb: right, thats what I'm wondering.20:31
stevebakerskraynev_: yes20:31
skraynev_stevebaker: got it. thx20:31
neelashah1skraynev_  some reviews on this would be appreciated - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/lbaasv2-suport Without this bp heat will only support the deprecated lbaas v1 resources….(v1 was deprecated in Liberty already). Or are we going to do FFE for it?20:32
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skraynev_neelashah1: I think yes - FFE20:32
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neelashah1skraynev_ ok, thanks…is there a link to the process - do we need to do anything to get FFE approval?20:33
zanebwow, our API docs are *such* nonsense20:34
skraynev_stevebaker: ^ ?20:34
stevebakerneelashah1: the process is ask skraynev_ ;)20:34
skraynev_stevebaker, zaneb: could you please review these two https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280243/20:34
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skraynev_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280140/820:34
skraynev_we need it for restrict update BP20:34
skraynev_we == Rabi ;)20:35
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neelashah1got it, thanks skraynev_20:35
jdob_ltzaneb, ya, i ran into our API docs over the past few days20:36
skraynev_neelashah1: I will ask about it tomorrow and will ping you.20:36
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zanebjdob_lt: I'm wondering how this happened. it's full of puns and information in completely the wrong place.20:37
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zanebit didn't used to be like that20:37
stevebakerzaneb: link?20:37
jdob_ltpuns?20:37
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randallburtpuns?20:37
skraynev_puns ???!!!20:38
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skraynev_zaneb: what about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/mark-unhealthy ?20:39
jdob_ltis it too late to lobby for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269851/ to be in mitaka?20:39
skraynev_is it ready?20:39
skraynev_jdob_lt: I think - yes20:39
jdob_ltkk20:39
zanebjdob, randallburt, skraynev: 'parameter' is used to mean different things in different places, with incomprehensible results20:40
zanebskraynev_: I think it is, although I just noticed it needs a rebase20:40
zanebwhich I will do after this meeting20:40
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skraynev_zaneb: could you please monitor it and make sure, that it be merged during this week. I will be focused on other stuff20:42
zanebskraynev_: ok, but I am going to start pinging people for reviews :)20:43
stevebakertis the season20:44
skraynev_zaneb: it's exactly, what I meant20:44
jasondzaneb: yeah, the api docs were in bad shape last i looked.  i tried to fix a few of the problems.  hopefully i didn't make it worse.  it made me nervous when i saw that only people on the docs team were reviewing/approving those changes20:44
zanebstarting with randallburt, since he was the only one who +2'd the spec ;)20:44
randallburt:O20:44
skraynev_:)20:44
zanebjasond: remind me, what repo are they in?20:44
skraynev_randallburt: it's destiny20:44
randallburtindeed20:45
jasondzaneb: api-site20:45
randallburtzaneb:  will do though20:45
zanebrandallburt: thanks, appreciate it20:45
zanebjasond: ta. will add it to my never-ending to-do list20:45
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jasondzaneb: i hear ya20:45
randallburtskraynev_:  the bp isn't approved, should we go ahead and do that?20:46
skraynev_zaneb: I prefer to call it "infinitive"20:46
randallburtskraynev_:  for the mark unhealthy I mean20:46
skraynev_zaneb: it's less optimistic20:46
zaneblol20:46
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skraynev_randallburt: IMO we should do it after spec will be merged20:47
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zanebin that case, can we just merge the spec now? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237278/20:48
randallburtskraynev_:  we should approve the spec after we've approved the spec?20:48
zanebit has been debated to death20:48
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randallburtzaneb:  +120:48
skraynev_randallburt: I meant BP20:49
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skraynev_with section "Definition"20:49
zanebthe only -1 left is from miguel and AIUI he's not even around any more to remove it20:49
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randallburtand we all know −1 isn't a hard stop so….20:49
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zanebyeah, let's just do it20:50
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skraynev_zaneb: I'd like to read it before merge.....20:50
randallburtskraynev_:  and I thought specs *were* bps now20:50
zanebI mean, obviously read it before voting20:50
randallburt… but then vote and approve it ;)20:51
skraynev_randallburt: hum... it's philosophical question ;)20:51
skraynev_randallburt: right :)20:51
skraynev_zaneb: yes20:51
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zanebto put it another way, the time for bikeshedding is over :)20:52
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skraynev_zaneb: yeap20:52
skraynev_#topic Open Discussion20:52
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ochuprykovcould i ask you to get feedback here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280836/ ?20:53
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ochuprykovcorresponding spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232277/1020:53
skraynev_zaneb: ^20:53
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skraynev_how do you think, can we land it before rc-1 ?20:54
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zanebskraynev_: I haven't looked at the patch, and I haven't looked again since I last commented on the review20:55
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zanebbut at that point it sounded like it was still some time away20:55
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ochuprykovzaneb: i answered to you questions, mostly20:56
zaneband honestly, if we're not enabling convergence by default in mitaka then it's not critical to get this in20:56
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zanebochuprykov: yeah, I see that now. I will take another look20:56
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skraynev_zaneb: ok. I tend yo agree in case of disabled convergence ;)20:57
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mohankumar_Team , want to disscuss about "https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/sfc-heat"  getting in for m-320:58
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mohankumar_Heat codes are published and it's under review for a month, i'm about to post new review patches by incorporating open comments published today   https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249729/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277849/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277940/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277988/20:59
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skraynev_#endmeeting21:00
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stevebakerThis sounds like it could be another contender for FFE21:00
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notmynameskraynev_: thanks21:00
notmynameswift meeting time21:00
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notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
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openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 24 21:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:00
notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
siva_krishnano/21:00
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torgomatic.21:01
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Zyric_Hi21:01
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dmoritao/21:01
sgundurhi21:01
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* onovy 21:01
kota_hi21:01
tdasilvahello21:01
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joeljwrighthello21:01
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skraynev_notmyname: np ;)21:01
notmynamewelcome, everyone21:01
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acoleshere21:02
notmynameacoles: mattoliverau: cschwede: ?21:02
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notmynameacoles: :-)21:02
mattoliverauo/21:02
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notmynamethanks for coming. agenda is at21:02
notmyname#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift21:02
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notmynamesorry, just saw clayg going into a meeting...21:03
notmynamea different meeting!21:03
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notmynameok, first up...hackathon!21:03
notmyname#topic hackathon21:03
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jrichlio/21:03
notmynameit's next week21:03
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notmyname#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-hackathon-feb-201621:03
notmynamealso, FWIW, no team meeting in here next week, in lieu of the hackathon21:04
notmynameI hope everyone has all their travel logistics figured out21:04
notmynameif not, good luck21:04
notmynamethere's a ton of great topics on the etherpad. please continue to update that. we'll use it as a starting point for our discussions next week21:04
notmynameacoles: anything to share that we need to know about logistics?21:05
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notmyname(wear a coat)21:05
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acolesyes, that ^^21:05
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acoleslook for email I sent earlier today with a few more bits of info21:05
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notmynamethanks for keeping us informed on that21:05
acolesincluding my mobile number in case anyone needs that21:05
notmynameare there any questions from anyone about the hackathon?21:05
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notmynameok. that's easy, then :-)21:07
acolesphew21:07
notmynamenext up...21:07
notmyname#topic reviewer stats and community-starred patches21:07
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notmynameif you haven't seen already, http://not.mn/swift/swift_community_dashboard.html is something that I've made and has had some success and usefulness to people already21:08
notmyname#link http://not.mn/swift/swift_community_dashboard.html21:08
notmyname3 areas on it. I'll sumarize quickly21:08
notmynamereview stats measures the time it takes for a patch author to respond to a reviewer and a reviewer to respond to an author21:08
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kota_cool21:08
notmynamecurrent reported time is the mean. if I can find a better metric, I may switch to that21:09
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notmynamemy goal is to keep "reviewers" winning. ie responding faster that patch authors. that means that any review holdup is on authors and not reviewers. the goal is to lower overall time a patch spends in review21:09
notmynamesecond section is the community starred patches21:10
notmynamethat's the top 20 patches that are starred by the community21:10
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notmynamebasically, if you've ever made any gerrit comment on any swift patch, I'll pull down whatever patches you currently have starred. then weight your star by your level of involvement in swift (active = higher score). then sum up to totals for each starred patch and take the top 2021:11
notmynamethe idea is that these are likely to be the patches that are most important to people in the community21:11
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notmynamemy goal here is to encourage reviews on important things. I think this is slightly better than "the PTL has starred this, so I'll review it"21:12
notmynameit lets us all vote on what's important to swift21:12
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notmynamethe third section is a list of patches that have had zero comments from any reviewer, listed oldest first21:12
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notmynamethe goal is to have this list be empty21:13
notmynameany questions on it for now?21:13
notmynameit's linked in the -swift channel topic, too21:13
mattoliveraugreat idea, looking great21:13
ho_awayi would like to know the meaning of color.21:14
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notmynameno meaning. the only color rules are for visited and unvisited links21:14
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ho_awayi see. thanks21:14
jrichlithanks for all your work - great idea21:14
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notmynameI resurrected the stylesheet from a personal project I worked on probably 7 or 8 years ago. in related news, I no longer love CSS. CSS is evil ;-)21:15
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notmynamealso, if you happen to love CSS and have a good eye for design, I've got some stuff you can work on ;-)21:15
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kota_so third list looks sorted according to the date *last updated*, is it in your intention?21:16
notmynamekota_: number 1 in the unreviewed patches should be the one that's been the longest without any comment or activity.21:17
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notmynamethe data is coming from gerrit, whcih only sorts by last activity. I pull it down and pass it through reversed(). that's it21:17
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notmynamethe idea is that the top of that list will be stuff that's languished the longest without comments21:18
joeljwrightnotmyname: is swiftclient included here?21:18
kota_i thought *listed oldest first* you said means oldest orderd the date of initial commit, maybe i was wrong, though :P21:18
joeljwrightI realise it's never going to make the list even if it is :(21:18
notmynamejoeljwright: no. swiftclient is not yet included. I've got some integration with that staged, but it's not complete yet21:18
kota_make sense.21:18
joeljwrightcool, thanks21:19
notmynamejoeljwright: I definitely want to have swiftclient included. it will not get left out21:19
joeljwrightwhat I meant was due to the weighting it probably needs to be separated21:19
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notmynamethe hardest part there will be the starred patches, actually. I've already got the review timings and unreviewed list done21:19
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notmynameFWIW, this is all tightly integrated with the same scripts that generate those graphs I've talked about before21:20
notmynameacoles: cue eye rolling ;-)21:20
joeljwrightyay! graphs!21:20
acolesi'm wondering how we could monitor whether a review that falls of the top 20 starred list has done so because it was merged, people removed stars, or it just got overtaken in time as more reviewers add more stars?21:20
acolesnotmyname: you have to forgive and forget!)21:21
notmynamelol21:21
torgomaticstarflation21:21
notmynameit's all a work in progress :-)21:21
joeljwrightacoles: we need top of the pops style rank changes shown on each update21:22
* acoles imagines it like the music charts "last week's number 2 drops to number 7"21:22
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acolesjoeljwright: right, that!)21:22
tdasilvaacoles: lol21:22
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notmynamehello patchbot21:23
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notmynameok, let's move on to talk about actual code stuff instead of all this meta-swift stuff ;-)21:23
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notmyname#topic auditors don't finish bug21:23
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notmynamehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/118365621:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1183656 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "object auditors don't finish" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Christian Schwede (cschwede)21:23
notmynamepatch 27944021:23
patchbotnotmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279440/ - swift - Skip already checked partitions when auditing obje...21:23
mattoliveraunotmyname, maybe I should borrow your CSS for the abandoner.. It uses none21:23
notmynamecschwede: here?21:24
notmynamewhat's the status of this patch and closing this bug?21:24
notmynamemattoliverau: you left a review last week saying you had "a bit more to do". have you had a chance to do those things yet?21:24
mattoliverauYeah a little, been testing it, seems to be working, want to play/stress it a little more, will update later today21:25
notmynameok, thanks21:26
mattoliverauI left a question for cschwede there too21:26
mattoliverauBut will chase it up today :)21:26
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notmynamesince this is a critical bug that will block any release, I'd like to have another core added as a reviewer who is looking at it too. any volunteers?21:26
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kota_yup21:27
kota_add in my task list to do today.21:27
notmynamekota_: thanks21:27
Zyric_On a related note, torgomatic and patch 212824?21:27
patchbotZyric_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212824/ - swift - Let developers/operators add watchers to object audit21:27
notmynameideally, I'd love to see that land this week so we can roll a release next week21:27
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notmynameZyric_: we'll get there in a bit :-)21:28
Zyric_Cool :)21:28
onovyoh, next release? last mitaka release?21:28
notmynameonovy: perhaps. but maybe we can squeeze in two more. a bigger one and then a minor one21:28
notmynamenext week I want to look at the timings with everyone to see what's reasonable21:28
onovybecause i have one big think which i want to land before mitaka release :)21:29
onovy*thing21:29
notmynameok, let's get to that in a bit21:29
notmynamemoving down the agenda wiki...21:29
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notmyname#topic copy middleware ready for review21:29
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notmynametdasilva: you added this. is this for awareness or for a particular question21:29
notmyname?21:29
tdasilvajust awareness21:29
notmynameok21:30
tdasilvafirst two patches there already have one +221:30
tdasilvaand are simpler to review21:30
notmynamepatch 260179 patch 263902 patch 15692321:30
patchbotnotmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260179/ - swift - decouple versioned writes from COPY21:30
patchbotnotmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263902/ - swift - Re-format the SLO manifest file on new multipart-m...21:30
patchbotnotmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156923/ - swift - Refactor server side copy as middleware21:30
tdasilvathen the 3rd is copy middleware itself which is also ready for review21:30
notmynamethank you for working on it21:30
tdasilvathanks to acoles, jrichli, ppai21:30
acolesnote we now have in these patches copy middleware to the left of dlo/slo and copy_hooks are gone21:30
notmynameyes. absolutely21:30
notmynamegool!21:31
notmynamealso, *cool21:31
acolesgoal!21:31
kota_wow21:31
jrichliyay21:31
notmynameand it also removes a blocker for crypto work, right?21:31
tdasilvait was a team goal!21:31
mattoliverauI'll keep my eye in that one too (once back from doctors)21:31
jrichliyes!  thanks everyone21:31
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acolesyes this is a blocker for crypto21:31
notmynameok21:32
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notmynameI suspect we'll be looking at these next week :-)21:32
jrichlii already added it as a topic on the etherpad ;-)21:32
tdasilva:)21:32
notmyname#topic swiftclient logging issue21:32
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notmynamepatch 28236321:33
patchbotnotmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282363/ - python-swiftclient - Do not reveal auth token in swiftclient log messag...21:33
notmynamethis one is a critical issue blocking a swiftclient release21:33
notmynamethanks joeljwright for grabbing it and getting a good patch set21:33
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joeljwrightwe've worked through a few issues on this, so it's certainly ready for other reviews21:33
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notmynameI'm hoping to look at this one today21:34
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acolesi'll try to get to it tomorrow21:34
notmynameand that should allow for a swiftclient release, too21:34
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notmynameacoles: thanks21:34
joeljwrightone question I did want to ask21:34
notmynameyeah, what's up?21:35
joeljwrightdo we need to backport this for 2.721:35
joeljwrightthe current code is not py26 compatible21:35
joeljwrightand neither are the tests in general now21:35
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notmynamewe've never backported anything for swiftclient before. and the way the release have changed, now that's possible, I suppose21:36
joeljwrightwe're only just announcing no more py2621:36
joeljwrightand leaving them with a critical issue21:36
notmynamejoeljwright: how much work is the backport from your perspective?21:36
joeljwrightwas just a thought21:36
joeljwrightnothing much21:36
joeljwrightI used a dict comprehension because I could, so it's a trivial change21:36
notmynameif there's a patch, I'm happy to backport it21:37
notmynameI'm glad you mentioned somethng about that. reminded me of a skipped topic21:37
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joeljwrightbut I don't know how to make a patch for a previous release21:37
notmynamejoeljwright: instead of branching off of master, branch off of stable/<whatever>21:37
acolesjoeljwright: i can help21:37
notmynamethanks acoles21:37
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joeljwrightacoles: thanks21:37
notmyname#topic swiftclient docs21:38
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notmynameyou may have noticed that our official in-tree docs, as presented on the openstack site, are rather terrible21:38
notmyname#link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-swiftclient/21:38
notmynamejust yesterday I found out why21:38
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notmynamefor client projects, those docs are only rebuilt and republished for every release21:39
notmynamefor the server projects, it's done every commit (see http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/)21:39
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joeljwrightthat would explain all the MIA docs21:39
notmynamewe've landed several good changes for swiftclient docs already. and there are several more proposed21:39
notmynamejoeljwright: right21:39
notmynameso we can choose to do either the per release docs or the per commit docs21:40
notmynamethat's the choice before us21:40
notmynamewhat do you think?21:40
joeljwrightper release does seem to make more sense for clients21:40
tdasilvapros and cons?21:40
joeljwrightonce we have decent docs21:40
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notmynamejoeljwright: I'm not sure I understand that. why is per-release better for a client?21:40
tdasilvaI guess I don't see the difference...21:41
jrichlithey might not always update if there isnt a new release21:41
mattoliverauPeople will be using the docs assuming it works for the latest stable.. So kinda makes sense21:41
notmynameIMO per-commit is better because docs changes will get to users faster21:41
joeljwrightwell, changes in behaviour reflected before release might be confusing21:41
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acolesnotmyname: if we go per-commit, is there a url to use for the docs for a specific version?21:41
mattoliverauTho having the ability to update docs without having to cut a release is a big win21:41
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joeljwrightyeah, true21:41
jrichliacoles: my question too21:41
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notmynameone idea I've heard is to have what acoles just said. soemthing for 2.7, 2.6, 2.X, etc21:41
tdasilvabut then, shouldn't we do that for swift also?21:42
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joeljwrightit's a difficult question though - adding generally applicable updates to lots of places is a pain21:42
notmynamealso, I'm not really concerned with the general case (for a generic client, when is the best time to publish docs). I'm worried about our specific case. do we think per-commit docs will break end users of swiftclient21:42
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joeljwrighthopefully our release cycle will be fast enough not to confuse people21:43
gmmahahow does one for latest release and one for commit sound? Two links at the top level?21:43
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joeljwrightthe python docs have a nice **introduced in version xx** style21:43
joeljwrightfor new features21:44
notmyname#vote what's your initial opinion: should we build docs per release or per commit? per-release, per-commit21:45
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* notmyname doesn't know if that works. seems like no21:45
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notmyname#startvote what's your initial opinion: should we build docs per release or per commit? per-release, per-commit21:45
openstackBegin voting on: what's your initial opinion: should we build docs per release or per commit? Valid vote options are per-release, per-commit.21:45
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.21:45
notmynamequick straw poll21:45
gmmaha#vote per-commit21:45
tdasilva#vote per-commit21:45
torgomatic#vote per-release21:45
notmyname#vote per-commit21:45
mattoliverauI'm thinking per release makes sense (I guess) but having docs managed 1 way to avoid confusion is better, so I think I'm leaning to per commit.21:45
acoles#vote per-release21:45
jrichli#vote per-release21:45
timburke#vote per-release21:46
tdasilvai think swift and swift client should be consistent21:46
mattoliverau#vote per-commit21:46
sarafraj#vote per-commit21:46
siva_krishnan#vote per-commit21:46
ho_away#vote per-commit21:46
onovy#vote per-commit21:46
kota_#vote per-release21:46
takashi#vote per-release21:46
joeljwright#vote per-release21:46
Zyric_#vote per-commit21:46
notmynameanyone else?21:46
notmyname#endvote21:46
openstackVoted on "what's your initial opinion: should we build docs per release or per commit?" Results are21:46
openstackper-commit (9): gmmaha, siva_krishnan, notmyname, tdasilva, sarafraj, Zyric_, onovy, ho_away, mattoliverau21:46
openstackper-release (7): acoles, takashi, kota_, jrichli, torgomatic, joeljwright, timburke21:46
notmynamevery interesting21:46
notmynamethank you21:47
notmynameno agreement for now. we will discuss further21:47
joeljwrightI'd be fine with per-commit if we had an obvious way of showing features that aren't yet available, and where major new features/changes were made21:47
notmynameI'll bring this topic up again. for now, especially if we'll have a swiftclient release soon, it doesn't matter too much21:47
joeljwright:)21:48
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torgomaticit's obnoxious when the docs have .do_what_i_mean() in them, and you want that, but it's only on master and not pypi21:48
notmyname#topic auditor watchers21:48
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notmynamethis is stuff torgomatic and Zyric_ are working on21:48
joeljwrighttorgomatic: +121:48
torgomaticyes, watch them. WATCH THEM ALL21:48
notmynamealso note that Zyric_'s outreachy internship is officially over next monday. (although i hope she will stay involved)21:48
tdasilvai don't know...imagine when encryption gets delivered (i'm assuming there will be changes to client too), now if someone is searching on the web about the feature, they will find the docs for the server but not the client21:49
Zyric_I will :)21:49
notmynametorgomatic: Zyric_: anythign we need to bring up here about the audit watcher patches?21:49
Zyric_Previously mentioned patch 279440 was blocking the object watcher getting through, and the object watcher is preventing the account watcher getting though21:50
patchbotZyric_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279440/ - swift - Skip already checked partitions when auditing obje...21:50
torgomaticI've got a revision I'm working on, but one of my unit tests ends up SIGINT-ing the testrunner somehow (!), and that kills the test run21:50
torgomaticso that's bad21:50
notmynamewow. that sounds fun21:51
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notmyname(for me to hear about after you fix it) ;-)21:51
Zyric_Indeed that doesn't sound good. Is there any way I can help, or something else that might be useful I could do?21:51
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torgomaticeh, I'll throw what I've got up there with a SkipTest in it so people can look21:52
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torgomaticafter the meeting, that is21:52
notmynameok, thanks21:52
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Zyric_Thank you21:52
notmyname#topic open discussion21:52
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notmynameonovy: you mentioned some patches you want in a swift release21:52
onovyyep https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238799/21:52
patchbotonovy: patch 238799 - swift - Change schedule priority of daemon/server in config21:52
notmynamethat hasn't landed yet?21:53
notmynamebah!21:53
onovyno :(21:53
mattoliverauNew concurrent reads patch is up, just fyi21:53
notmynamemattoliverau: great!21:53
kota_cool21:53
mattoliverauAnd I almost have the sharding shrink algorithm working (I hope)21:53
ho_awayi would like to have review for patch 21360821:53
patchbotho_away: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213608/ - swift - Add functional test for access control (container ...21:53
notmynameonovy: I've starred it21:54
onovynotmyname: thanks21:54
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torgomaticif you're gonna review stuff on a plane, merge this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283828/ since it cuts 3 minutes (ish) off a full test run21:55
patchbottorgomatic: patch 283828 - swift - Fix StatsD tests to not use real DNS21:55
mattoliverauTurns out shrinking is rather complicated.. I might write a spec on it to get people's opinion21:55
notmynamemattoliverau: I'm sortof of the mind that shrinking is v2. (but I haven't thought deeply about it recently)21:55
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awelleckIf anyone can get a chance to review this patch it would be appreciated: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283815/21:56
patchbotawelleck: patch 283815 - python-swiftclient - Query string functionality for containers21:56
acolesnotmyname: how do we decide what bugs go critical to block a release? or...how do we ensure that non-critical bug fixes eventually make it into a release? we can't star bugs :)21:56
mattoliveraunotmyname: yeah, I'm OK with that too.. But I'm still going to push ahead :)21:56
notmynameacoles: good question, and I don't have an answer other than "we talk about it"21:56
joeljwrightawelleck: I'll add it to my list, but I may not get to it quickly21:57
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acolesnotmyname: for example https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1540884 IDK if I would argue it is critical but I'd like to see the fix land before mitaka21:57
openstackLaunchpad bug 1540884 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Object copied by container-sync may have older timestamp than source" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Alistair Coles (alistair-coles)21:57
awelleckjoeljwright: thanks21:57
notmynameacoles: ok21:58
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notmynametime's up for this week's meeting21:58
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notmynameno meeting next week (in lieu of the hackathon)21:59
mattoliverau:(21:59
notmynamethank you for coming today. thank you for working on swift21:59
notmyname#endmeeting21:59
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