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Guest_98765Allah is doing06:04
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Guest_98765degree is not doing Allah is doing06:06
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Guest_98765you can not get a job without the permission of allah06:07
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aspiers#startmeeting ha09:00
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aspiershi09:00
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aspierswho do we have today?09:00
ddejao/09:00
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aspiersif it's just us two, we can discuss our talk ;-)09:01
ddejayup09:01
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ddejabut maybe someone else will show, we can wait 2 minutes more ;)09:01
aspierssure09:01
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ddejaok, it looks like it's really us two, aspiers09:04
aspiersyep09:04
aspiersno problem09:04
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aspierswell let's use normal structure anyway, it will work fine09:04
aspiers#topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans)09:04
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aspiersnot much from my end09:04
aspiersI did a few tweaks to openstack-resource-agents09:05
aspiersand reported some HA bugs09:05
aspierse.g. http://bugs.clusterlabs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=527109:05
openstackbugs.clusterlabs.org bug 5271 in Documentation "usage of status action in OCF RAs needs clarifying or eliminating" [Normal,Unconfirmed] - Assigned to oalbrigt09:05
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ddejaso only short status from my side - I have prepared images for demo "Mistral HA". I didn't completed it yet since I worked on getting US visa09:05
aspierswhen I noticed that most of the RAs have the status action, and that's pointless09:05
aspiersso I will drop it09:05
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ddejaok09:05
aspierswhat type of images?09:06
ddejaoh, images == pictures09:06
aspiersoh, heh09:06
ddejalike diagrams in visio ;)09:06
aspierstoo early in the morninng for me ;-)09:06
aspierscool!09:06
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aspiersI guess you also took a look at reveal.js, right?09:07
aspiersor at least at Florian's talk09:07
ddejayes, I have watched Florians talk, didn't have time to play with technology itself but surely do this week09:07
aspiersok09:07
aspiersI was also working on our neutron-ha-tool OCF RA which we use in SUSE OpenStack Cloud 5 and 6 for neutron HA09:08
aspiersI guess for the next release we will probably switch to the standard upstream approach09:08
ddejathat's good09:08
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aspiersyeah09:09
aspiersor at least in the DVR case09:09
aspiersoh09:09
aspiersI just remembered09:09
ddejahm?09:09
aspierslast Tuesday was the cross-project meeting09:10
aspiersthat was last week, right?09:10
ddejaI think so09:10
aspiersI guess most people read the minutes / logs the next day09:10
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bogdandohi09:10
aspiersbut I should mention it for completeness09:10
aspiersoh hey bogdando :)09:10
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ddejahello :)09:10
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aspiersso we talked about the auto-evacuation spec09:11
aspiers#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257809/209:11
aspiersthere seemed to be a LOT of interest in the topic09:11
aspiersand I explained why I thought it was cross-project09:12
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aspiershowever it was decided that whilst this is important work, a high-level cross-project spec doesn't really make sense09:12
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aspiersI think specs are supposed to have concrete low-level action items09:13
aspiersrather than be technical strategy documents09:13
masahitohi09:13
aspiersso I think the spec will be abandoned09:13
aspiershi masahito :)09:13
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aspiersI was just summarising the cross-project meeting09:13
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masahitogot it. I'll check eavesdrop.09:14
aspiershttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2016/crossproject.2016-03-15-21.01.log.html09:14
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aspiershttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2016/crossproject.2016-03-15-21.01.html09:14
bogdandoany action items to the spec decomposition then?09:15
aspiers#info the conclusion was: keep working on it and collaborating with the different projects09:15
bogdandowe shall not just abandon and forget :)09:15
aspiers#info and submit specs to individual projects when there are APIs missing09:15
aspiersbogdando: well I guess until now, each group was working on their individual solutions09:16
bogdandoand looking to the comments, I believe it was a good idea to make it CP09:16
aspiersbut maybe we need to start collaborating on the convergence09:16
bogdandootherwise we'd never have collected so many comments from folks from different areas / projects09:17
ddejaaspiers: I think still some groups working on their solitions09:17
aspiersddeja: yes, I think we all are09:17
aspiersddeja: maybe it is still too early09:17
aspiersbut we could start thinking about convergence action items09:17
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bogdandoso, CP is eactly perfect place for the *high-level* concepts09:18
aspiers#topic how to evaluate possible convergence strategies for auto evac09:18
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bogdandoexactly09:18
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aspiersbogdando: high-level architectural discussion is cross-project for sure09:18
aspiersbut apparently specs are not the way to do it09:19
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aspiersmaybe because that reaches too wide an audience09:19
bogdandoSo I'd prefer we finish that instead of allowing the initiative to be split into detached local activities09:19
aspiersI think a wiki or etherpad is fine09:19
aspiersand mailing list / IRC09:20
bogdandobut only spec provides a path for future code reviews...09:20
aspiersor we could move the spec somewhere else, e.g. mistral09:20
aspiersseveral people said they thought it looked like a mistral spec09:20
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bogdandomaybe yes09:20
ddejaaspiers: from my experience with Mistral I don't think such spec suits in it09:21
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aspiersddeja: yeah I'm not convinced by that either09:21
ddejasince (despite some bugs) Mistral is only a Workflow executor09:21
ddejabut there was some plans of having 'very good, reliable workflows' in Mistral repo09:21
aspiersSean Dague said "A cross project spec should either be a thing which affects nearly all openstack projects, or a thing that all the projects involved have agreed to already"09:22
bogdandoyes, we cannot design things like fencing there09:22
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bogdandoor nova API changes, if any09:22
aspiersbogdando: I think the point with nova API changes was that currently it is believed to do everything we need09:22
aspiersso in that sense, nova is not involved until we find a bug or a gap in functionality09:22
ddejabogdando: for now, fencing is done outside OpenStack, so I don't know if we should discussed fencing at all09:22
bogdandoso we may end up having 3 specs - Mistral (if anything to be changed in the Mistral), Nova (ditto), OpenStack resource agents space ?09:23
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ddejaIMO we should just state that fencing must be configured09:23
aspiersddeja: that's a good point - fencing will probably never be inside OpenStack (unless using Ironic / Triple-O?)09:23
bogdandoyes, we can just note and leave out of scope09:23
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aspiersbut fencing is a crucial part of the architecture of course09:23
ddejayeah, also we can provide OCF agent for Mistral09:23
aspiersddeja: that's a great example of something which deserves a spec in openstack-resource-agents :)09:24
* ddeja has OCF agent that calls mistral API prepared09:24
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bogdandoindeed, new OCF RA for Mistral fits well into the latter of 3 specs09:24
aspierswhich reminds me I need to set up a specs repo09:24
aspiers#action aspiers to set up a specs repo for openstack-resource-agennts09:24
bogdandoand the rest things might be just put to the HA guide09:25
aspiers(we also need that for planning Fuel reconvergence)09:25
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aspiersbogdando: hmm, I think it's maybe too WIP for the HA guide now?09:25
bogdandolike - make sure you configured the pcmk that way , and enabled fencing09:25
aspiersoh, you mean just fencing?09:25
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bogdandoyes, if we have a clear vision, nothing blocks us09:25
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bogdandoeverything you mentioned would not go as a part of OpenStack setup/op09:25
ddejasince everyone is using pacemaker for fencing, it can be mentioned in HA guide09:26
aspiersTBH I think we need an architecture diagram09:26
bogdandowe have a section for controllers HA setup09:26
aspierswhich maps all the required components of auto-evac09:26
ddeja+109:26
bogdandowe could add there all details near to the existing pacemaker/corosync sections09:26
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aspiersmaybe we could use google drive to collaborate on drawing on?09:26
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aspiers*one09:27
bogdandoand add details how one shall configure pcmk remote for computes HA , for example09:27
aspiersor some other tool which is like "ether-visio"09:27
bogdandoand we can add diagrams09:27
bogdandowe have many now :)09:27
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aspiersddeja: I think we need this map for our talk anyway ;-)09:28
bogdandowe have bright examples Pacemaker Cluster Manager http://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/intro-ha-arch-pacemaker.html and Keepalived http://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/intro-ha-arch-keepalived.html architecture details and limitations09:29
ddejaaspiers: you mean something like that https://github.com/gryf/mistral-evacuate/blob/master/Automatic%20evacuate%20design.jpg09:29
aspiersbogdando: are there diagrams in the ha-guide?09:29
aspiersbogdando: oh... thanks :)09:29
bogdando:)09:29
ddejaso it looks like we have enaough diagrams ;)09:29
aspiersbogdando: is there a standard way to produce diagrams for upstream docs?09:30
bogdandobut we need ad more specific to the Instance ha + pacemaker remote now09:30
bogdandoI have no idea ;(09:30
bogdandolet's ask openstack docs folks09:30
aspiersgood idea09:30
aspiersthe neutron docs have tons of great docs09:30
aspiersI wonder how they collaborate on them09:30
bogdandoor Andrew Beekhof, who probably created those above09:30
bogdando:)09:30
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beekhofwhat i do?09:31
aspiersGoogle Drawings is probably the easiest way09:31
aspiersbeekhof: it's all your fault!09:31
bogdandoso do we agree we can start working on the docs update w/o waiting for accepted implementations?09:32
bogdandoas it seems 100% to be pcmk_remote with OCF RA09:32
ddejabeekhof: out of nowhere!09:32
aspiers:)09:32
* beekhof was cooking dinner - its been on of those days09:32
bogdandobeekhof, those? Pacemaker Cluster Manager http://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/intro-ha-arch-pacemaker.html and Keepalived http://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/intro-ha-arch-keepalived.html architecture details and limitations09:32
beekhofyep, i made those09:33
aspiersbogdando: what do you mean by docs update? a new section in ha-guide?09:33
bogdandoyes09:33
bogdandoto cover everything's missing to the setup required for the Instances HA09:33
bogdandoand in that we all 100% sure09:33
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ddejafencing is such thing09:33
bogdandolike, pacemaker_remote, fencing, Mistral OCF RA09:34
masahitoI find good section.09:34
masahitohttp://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/compute-node-ha-api.html09:34
bogdandoexaclty09:34
aspiersbogdando: well, are we 100% sure on Mistral? for me it is a very good option, but I think we still have to do a lot of work and testing to be 100%09:35
bogdandowe can skip Mistral then09:35
aspiersthat's still implementation details09:35
aspiersI think for now, only architecture should be covered in ha-guide09:35
beekhofthose diagrams were made in keynote (apple application like powerpoint)09:35
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bogdandohm, I'm only trying to find a place for things will not go to any specs but still must be known (how-to)09:35
beekhofi can probably export it into powerpoint which google docs might import09:35
aspiersbogdando: yes, that is the challenge we need to figure out :)09:36
ddejaaspiers: as far as I know triple-O guys are willing to use Mistral09:36
aspiersbogdando: I think probably a wiki09:36
aspiersbogdando: unless we want to use gerrit for review09:36
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bogdandodo we agree on adding pacemaker_remote topics to the HA guide compute nodes HA?09:37
bogdandoit seems like 100% will go into the final solution09:37
masahitobogdando: Just pacemaker_remote?09:37
bogdandoand fencing details!09:37
aspiersbogdando: +109:37
ddejafor now I see no alternative - maybe Ironic would be able to do fencing someday...09:38
aspiersagreed09:38
aspiersbogdando: I think it would also be good to document that compute HA is still WIP09:38
aspiersbogdando: the ha-guide could point to our community here09:39
bogdandobtw, aspiers I saw you asked about remote stonith agents, so may be you could add some things you know now :)09:39
aspiersbogdando: link to etherpad, weekly meetings etc.09:39
ddejaaspiers: Big +1 on that09:39
bogdandogreat then09:39
masahitoit sounds nice.09:39
aspiersbogdando: can you take care of that? and add us as reviewers?09:40
bogdandoIf I had a time to play with setup verification09:40
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aspiersmaybe we could attract more people to our community that way09:40
bogdandowould be nice though someone who already did just shared results and notes09:40
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bogdandoso I could expose them as the guide (and test them as well)09:41
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aspiersbogdando: I think the wiki is the right place to link to them09:41
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masahitoaspiers: agree. I noticed I can't find our eatherpad on google.09:41
aspierssince they are WIP and change quickly09:41
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ddejabogdando: you mean steps how to configure pacemaker_remote?09:41
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aspierswe can also use wiki for evolving arch/design docs09:41
ddejaand fencing of compute nodes?09:41
bogdandoyes, and fencing agents to use with computes probably (w/o devices specific things)09:42
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aspiersbogdando: there's not much to say about stonith of remote nodes, it's all documented already09:42
aspiersbogdando: I just failed to find the docs the first time09:42
bogdandowell I'd like to put only the very specific things, no cross posting09:42
bogdandoor a link if that just works the way we want09:43
bogdandothe idea is to document something verified, even if as PoC09:43
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ddejaI belive that the way RH explained how to setup stonith is OK09:44
ddejahttps://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Configuring_the_Red_Hat_High_Availability_Add-On_with_Pacemaker/ch-fencing-HAAR.html09:44
bogdandofolks, it should be not just a common things, but specific to OpenStack computes and pacemaker_*remote*09:44
bogdandowith existing limitations like stonith resources may not be running on the compute nodes09:45
bogdandoor which type of remote fencing agents to use09:45
bogdandothat we *do* recommend09:45
ddejaok, I see09:45
aspiersI don't think there is a need to favour any type of fencing agent09:46
bogdandolike maximum of nodes supported in the cluster (16 afaik)09:46
aspiersany is good09:46
bogdandoso, more practical things09:46
bogdandouseful for ops09:46
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bogdandoso that would not be just a reference to the existing guides AFAICT09:47
aspiersbogdando: in the period before we have a working solution to document, what do you think is the goal of this section in the ha-guide?09:47
aspiersI'm not sure it makes sense to document how to do 20% of a full solution09:47
bogdandothe goal is to make community prepared for Instances HA solutions09:47
bogdandoand shed some light to required tooling, setups09:48
bogdandothere are not much things about pacemaker remote IIUC09:48
bogdandoonly few tech talks, and many things WIP, am I right?09:48
ddejabogdando: I have a setup with fencing configured, but it's based on this https://access.redhat.com/articles/1544823 The only things I've added are custom fencing agent (and Mistral ofcourse)09:48
aspiersIMHO it's fine to say "you will need pacemaker_remote"09:48
aspiersand maybe link to docs on pacemaker_remote09:48
aspiersbut I'm not sure it makes sense to document details of how to set it up09:48
bogdandookay, let's just try to draft something...09:48
aspiersbogdando: yeah, please just submit a review and add us to cc09:49
bogdandook I'll try :)09:49
aspiersbogdando: I will definitely review anything you cc me on :)09:49
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aspiersoops, that was a dangerous promise ;)09:49
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ddejaaspiers: prepare to review some fuel patches ;)09:49
aspierslol09:50
bogdandohaha09:50
aspiersbogdando: I think the most important thing to add is info on our WIP09:50
aspiersbogdando: i.e. http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#High_Availability_Meeting09:50
aspiershttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automatic-evacuation09:50
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aspiersand maybe we need a wiki page which is a more friendly landing page for this topic09:51
aspiersbogdando: also you could link to the user story09:51
aspiersalthough that is the first link in the etherpad :)09:51
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aspiers#action bogdando to submit an ha-guide review adding info about community WIP on auto-evac09:52
aspiersshall we also have a play with google drawing?09:53
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aspiershttps://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1q50txuu3vVx2WadhWGAeSO25PaEy_DbmwhVryT4FXCY/edit?usp=sharing09:53
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aspiers#action anyone who wants to, to experiment with google drawing09:54
aspiersI think an architecture map would really help us09:54
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ddejaI can paste there drawing I have prepared for my demo to have something to start with09:55
aspiersok09:55
bogdandoddeja, great!09:55
aspiers#topic AOB09:55
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ddejaIt's Mistral-oriented, but it's still something to start09:55
aspiersany other business before we finish?09:55
ddejawait one minute guys and tell if my drawing makes any sense ;)09:55
ddejaDone, pasted09:56
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masahitoI'll paste Masakari architecture.09:57
masahitoin the page.09:57
ddejabut I don't know if it is anywhere close to what you guys have in mind :)09:58
haukebrunowell, hi \o/ being a _bit_ late, sorry :p09:58
aspiershaha hi haukebruno, we are just finishing :)09:58
masahitoI think it's easy to compare both and others.09:58
ddejaso feel free to delete it, I have it in another docs09:58
ddejamasahito: +109:58
bogdandogood point09:58
haukebrunoaspiers, yeah. I apologize... pretty bad timings today09:58
ddejaI just wonder if we can add second page in this drawing?09:59
aspiersddeja: I was thinking we need a process diagram09:59
aspiersddeja: I'll try to sketch something so it makes more sense09:59
aspierssomething a bit like https://github.com/ntt-sic/masakari/blob/master/contents/architecture.png10:00
aspiersbut more generic10:00
aspiersnot specific to any implementation10:00
aspiersanyway, we are out of time10:00
ddejaI see10:00
aspierslet's continue on #openstack-ha10:00
aspiersthanks all!10:00
aspiers#endmeeting10:00
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ddejathanks, bye10:00
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andreykurilin__#startmeeting Weekly Rally meeting14:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 21 14:02:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is andreykurilin__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Weekly Rally meeting)"14:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'weekly_rally_meeting'14:02
amaretskiyhi14:02
andreykurilin__hi all14:02
rvasiletso/14:02
redixinhej14:03
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andreykurilin__we don't have agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally again14:04
redixinso nothing to discuss? =)14:04
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andreykurilin__no14:04
andreykurilin__you are wrong)14:04
amaretskiyrelease :)14:04
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andreykurilin__yeah14:05
redixin& recursive atomic actions14:05
andreykurilin__#topic New release14:05
*** openstack changes topic to "New release (Meeting topic: Weekly Rally meeting)"14:05
andreykurilin__so today we should have a new release14:06
andreykurilin__based on out release schedule14:06
andreykurilin__PS: out release schedule is located here - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16DXpfbqvlzMFaqaXAcJsBzzpowb_XpymaK2aFY2gA2g/edit#gid=199314704614:06
andreykurilin__Do we have any blockers for release?14:07
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rvasilets#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16DXpfbqvlzMFaqaXAcJsBzzpowb_XpymaK2aFY2gA2g/edit#gid=199314704614:07
rvasiletsI don't know any blockers)14:07
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andreykurilin__amaretskiy, redixin: ?14:08
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rvasiletsIf we stable enough then we can cut release)14:08
amaretskiyi do not see blockers14:08
andreykurilin__rvasilets: we are:)14:08
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andreykurilin__nice14:08
rvasilets)14:08
andreykurilin__so, I'll try to post release notes as soon as possible14:09
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andreykurilin__let's move to next topic14:10
andreykurilin__#topic recursive atomic actions14:10
*** openstack changes topic to "recursive atomic actions (Meeting topic: Weekly Rally meeting)"14:10
andreykurilin__redixin: ^14:10
amaretskiy#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279546/2/doc/specs/in-progress/improve_atomic_actions_format.rst14:10
ikhudoshynhi everybody14:10
andreykurilin__ikhudoshyn: hi14:10
amaretskiyi can add recursive atomic actions nesting to the schema in spec14:10
amaretskiybut do we really need atomic actions nesting more then 1 level ?14:11
amaretskiy*than14:11
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andreykurilin__#link https://allisonmaruska.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/we-need-to-go-deeper.jpg14:11
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andreykurilin__amaretkiy: I can not imagine cases when we need nested level more then 114:12
boris-42hi hihi14:12
andreykurilin__hi boris-4214:12
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boris-42andreykurilin__: we need in complicated cases14:13
boris-42andreykurilin__: like we would like to split first request and polling request14:13
boris-42andreykurilin__: however it's the same action booting vm14:13
amaretskiyokay, so add unlimited nesting?14:14
boris-42amaretskiy: so to be honest for now I see only useful to have 1 level of it14:14
andreykurilin__:)14:14
boris-42amaretskiy: I would like to see the code that allows us to use 1 level (and that is simple to change and allow to use any levels)14:15
amaretskiyi think that 1 level is OK because we can add deeper nesting easily14:15
boris-42ok14:15
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andreykurilin__so we have an agreement on this topic14:16
amaretskiygreat, keep 1 level for now14:17
andreykurilin__Any other topics to discuss?14:17
rvasiletsyes14:17
amaretskiyI have one14:17
rvasiletsme too14:17
boris-42andreykurilin__: yep14:17
andreykurilin__why you didn't add them to agenda?)14:18
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boris-42andreykurilin__: didn't have time lol14:18
boris-42andreykurilin__: and just got requirement14:18
andreykurilin__:)14:18
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andreykurilin__ok, ravsilets was the first14:18
andreykurilin__*rvasilets14:18
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amaretskiyactually I'm going to discuss a topic which kiran-r promised me to add to agenda, but he is absent, as well as a topic :)14:18
rvasiletstyping14:18
andreykurilin__rvasilets: what is your topic?14:18
rvasiletstopic: rename atomic actions to something different14:19
rvasiletsI'm confused about using of atomic term in our case14:19
rvasiletsbecaouse atom its the smallest part14:20
rvasiletsbut we have nested levels14:20
andreykurilin__#topic: rename atomic actions to something different14:20
*** openstack changes topic to ": rename atomic actions to something different (Meeting topic: Weekly Rally meeting)"14:20
amaretskiytiming actions?14:20
boris-42rvasilets: so your name actions14:20
rvasiletsso I suggest not to use atomic term14:20
rvasiletsjust an action14:20
boris-42rvasilets: ?14:20
rvasiletsfor example14:20
ikhudoshyntimed_action ?14:20
boris-42rvasilets: yep that sounds actually reasonable and won't be hard to people to find it14:20
boris-42ikhudoshyn: to long and not fancy14:20
boris-42=)14:20
ikhudoshyn)14:21
boris-42too14:21
rvasiletsI suggest to rename atomic action across the project to just an action or, for example, activity action, measured action, measure.14:21
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amaretskiyjust "timings" :)14:21
boris-42rvasilets: andreykurilin__ amaretskiy so I believe actions is the best one, because it looks similiar to atomic_action14:21
rvasiletsyep14:21
ikhudoshyn+1 for action14:21
rvasiletsagree14:21
andreykurilin__I like timed action more14:21
amaretskiy+14:21
boris-42which won't produce any problems for old users14:21
andreykurilin__:)14:21
amaretskiy+ for "action"14:22
boris-42ok so seems we have agreement here14:22
rvasiletsyes14:22
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rvasiletsAgreed: Rename atomic_actions to actions14:22
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andreykurilin__#agreement rename atomic_actions to actions14:22
andreykurilin__amaretskiy: can you mention this rename at your spec?14:23
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amaretskiyokay, let's propose renaming in the spec14:23
andreykurilin__nice14:23
andreykurilin__just want to have a note somewhere about this rename14:24
amaretskiywill do :)14:24
boris-42andreykurilin__: is it BP enough?14:24
andreykurilin__boris-42: it can be enough14:25
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andreykurilin__but I suppose, we can merge a spec by amaretskiy in near future so we aggregate info about refactoring atomics there14:25
amaretskiythere will be at least 2 working items, so we need a BP14:26
andreykurilin__ok14:26
andreykurilin__:)14:26
andreykurilin__let's move to the next topic14:26
amaretskiyi will post a BP14:26
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amaretskiymy topic is about kiran-r question14:27
andreykurilin__please share it:)14:27
amaretskiyhe asked me about use case - running 200 iterations over 20 tenants and expecting that each tenant will be used 10 times14:28
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amaretskiyhowever we do not have such balancing14:28
amaretskiywe use random choice14:28
andreykurilin__one moment14:28
amaretskiyso thi sexpectation will not work14:28
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boris-42amaretskiy: this is not hard to do14:28
amaretskiythe question is about balancing of tenants per iterations14:29
boris-42andreykurilin__: implemenet14:29
amaretskiyyes14:29
amaretskiythis is relatively simple14:29
andreykurilin__#topic possibility to balance usage of users14:29
*** openstack changes topic to "possibility to balance usage of users (Meeting topic: Weekly Rally meeting)"14:29
boris-42amaretskiy: we need just to add new parrameter to users/existing_users context14:29
andreykurilin__we have an old implelmntation14:29
boris-42andreykurilin__: strategy: random/round_robin14:29
andreykurilin__#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229896/14:29
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boris-42andreykurilin__: so that has bugs14:30
boris-42andreykurilin__: and bad UX it should be refactored before merged14:30
andreykurilin__boris-42: you put -2 due to new type of runner14:31
andreykurilin__which is not implemented yet:)14:31
amaretskiywho will be responsible for this change?14:31
boris-42andreykurilin__: I put -2 because you guys were trying to merge very bad patch14:32
boris-42andreykurilin__: that blocks work on distributed runner14:32
andreykurilin__boris-42: :)14:32
boris-42andreykurilin__: so you tried to shoot your leg and I stopped that14:32
andreykurilin__amaretskiy: If we leave suggestions, vponomaryov can finish it14:32
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boris-42andreykurilin__: There are already suggestions ...14:32
amaretskiyokay, I will add a comment14:33
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boris-42amaretskiy: there is already  comment form me14:33
andreykurilin__boris-42: I spent too much time for rally verify(Tempest), so it is normal for me to shoot my legs:)14:33
boris-42andreykurilin__: amaretskiy guys you need to read all comments for all patch sets14:33
boris-42andreykurilin__: amaretskiy and not skip them esepcially when they put -114:33
amaretskiyok14:33
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andreykurilin__let's add suggestions how comments by boris-42 can be addressed:)14:34
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boris-42andreykurilin__: ok14:34
andreykurilin__let's move to next topic14:35
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andreykurilin__boris-42: your turn14:35
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andreykurilin__boris-42: ping14:37
andreykurilin__:)14:37
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rvasiletsmaybe he is typing?)14:37
boris-42andreykurilin__: so "shaker to rally"14:37
andreykurilin__#topic shaker to rally14:37
*** openstack changes topic to "shaker to rally (Meeting topic: Weekly Rally meeting)"14:38
boris-42redixin: are you around?14:38
redixinyes14:38
boris-42redixin: so basically shaker runs heat template after that triggers net tools14:38
andreykurilin__#link https://github.com/openstack/shaker14:38
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boris-42redixin: it will be nice to generalize work that you did for MCV team and implement shaker functionallity14:39
boris-42redixin: can you spend some time during this week and do analyze of what should be done and calulate estimates?14:39
redixinboris-42: yea I was thinking about heat workload today, and have an idea14:40
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redixinwe can make heat_stack context and scenario to do something with this context, like do heat.update or ssh("iperf")14:40
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boris-42redixin: so like in context we are running heat create14:41
boris-42redixin: in scenario heat update14:41
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redixinI mean heat_stack will deploy something, and scenario will run something (heat_update or anything else)14:41
boris-42redixin: yep14:41
redixinrun something with or without updating heat14:42
boris-42redixin: so we will be able to use heat context to create any env14:42
boris-42redixin: I like the idea14:42
redixinlike heat.update({some_key: self.context]14:42
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redixinlike heat.update({some_key: self.context[iteration])14:42
boris-42redixin: so can you do analyze of shaker and what should be done to implemenet14:42
redixinsure14:42
boris-42self.context["heat"]["blablabla"]14:42
boris-42actually=)14:42
boris-42but I got the idea14:43
redixinwe need to know current iteration number14:43
redixinuse iteration number in heat.update14:43
redixinlike heat.update({num_vms: iteration_number})14:43
redixinand limit concurrency to 114:44
redixinso we can test heat stack with different number of some worker nodes14:44
andreykurilin__redixin: we have a variable self.context["iteration"]14:44
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boris-42andreykurilin__: yep we have14:45
boris-42andreykurilin__: it's add by scenario runner as far as I know14:45
andreykurilin__yes, so we can determice current iteration number easily14:46
andreykurilin__*determine14:46
redixinright14:46
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boris-42okay14:50
boris-42maybe next topic?14:50
boris-42andreykurilin__: ^14:50
andreykurilin__It looks like we don't have more topics14:50
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andreykurilin__:)14:50
rvasiletshttps://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/task/runner.py#L5714:50
boris-42andreykurilin__: we have14:50
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boris-42andreykurilin__: topic: google doc 2 BP and back14:50
andreykurilin__#topic google doc 2 BP and back14:51
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boris-42so the idea is to move all data from google doc to BP14:51
andreykurilin__boris-42: you have 9 minutes for it:)14:51
boris-42as well update it14:51
boris-42and after that use script to generate google spreadsheets from launchapd14:51
boris-42ikhudoshyn: ^ what is the status of this work14:51
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ikhudoshynI started digging across the doc, it's huge14:52
ikhudoshynI didnt create any bp so far14:52
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ikhudoshynbut I don't think we need any scrip or smth for that14:53
ikhudoshynscript14:53
ikhudoshynso my primary intent is to make it all manually14:54
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ikhudoshynbut i'm in doubts14:54
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ikhudoshynnot much by far14:55
ikhudoshynbut that's all for now14:55
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: first time from google doc -> to BP you will have to do maunally14:56
boris-42for 2 reaosns14:56
boris-421) data is sometimes out of dated in both places14:56
boris-422) it is super hard to do with scripts (working with LP is painful)14:56
boris-42ok14:56
ikhudoshynyep, agree on both14:57
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ikhudoshynbut there are 60+ items in the doc so it won't happen super fast14:57
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boris-42ok14:59
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boris-42seems like we are out of time14:59
andreykurilin__yeah14:59
andreykurilin__we need to finish14:59
andreykurilin__#endmeeting14:59
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anteaya#startmeeting third-party15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 21 15:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'third_party'15:00
anteayahello15:00
mmedvedeo/15:00
anteayahow are you today?15:00
boris-42see you next week15:00
mmedvedehi anteaya, I am great. yourself?15:00
anteayagood thanks15:01
lennybhi15:01
anteayahey lennyb15:01
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anteayadoes anyone have anything they wish to discuss today?15:01
anteayawe have all read the gerrit ip change coming up, yes?15:01
lennybI have a tempest related question.15:01
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anteayalennyb: go ahead15:02
lennybI need to run tempest with ironic-api version 1.17. how can I technically do it?15:02
anteayagood question15:02
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anteayaI would ask in the ironic channel to begin15:03
anteayaas they may have a current test setup that you could follow15:03
anteayadoes that sound reasonable?15:03
lennybI believe that it's related to rest client ( which is tempest ) and not ironic. Ironic supports min and max versions15:03
anteayado you think it is possible that ironic also might be running tempest tests?15:04
devanandalennyb: I'm curious, what is it you're trying to test by sending x-openstack-ironic-api-version 1.17?15:05
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lennybironic has tempest plugin, I am running it, but it uses minimal rest version. I wander if I can set it manually. I will definitely ask them ( again ).15:05
lennybdevananda: where can I define it?15:06
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anteayalennyb: okay if you have asked them and you don't get a reply then do let us know15:06
anteayait is possible that devananda is not online at present15:06
lennybdevananda: I can hardcode it in the ironic versions file, but I want to do it dynamically15:06
anteayaI'd suggest taking the question to the channel for a discussion there15:06
lennybanteaya: ok, thanks15:07
anteayathank you15:07
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anteayaoh here is devananda, sorry my client missed his input at first15:08
devanandaanteaya: hi :)15:08
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anteayaso do we want to continue discussing this here?15:08
anteayaI'm fine if we do15:08
anteayadevananda: hi there15:09
devanandalennyb, anteaya: the current Ironic API version is 1.16. So while this is an interesting question, I do not see how testing ironic with an api version that is higher than trunk is related to third-party CI.15:09
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lennybdevananda: I am running tests against an unmerged patch15:10
devanandalennyb: ah15:10
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devanandaanteaya: is that ^ normally the purpose of third-party CI?15:10
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lennybjroll is working on this #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260358/15:11
anteayawell running tests on a patch that gerrit knows about before it is merged to master if fine as far as I am concerned15:11
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devanandaok15:11
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anteayaas that is the same scenario as infra testing15:11
anteayaand actually is our preferred course of action15:11
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anteayalennyb: so this is a question about testing a specific patch?15:12
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jrollto be clear, I'm not working on that, the ironic team is :)15:12
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anteayajroll: thank you, yes didn't see you as the author/owner of that patch15:12
anteayalennyb: are you asking about how to test a specific patch?15:13
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lennybanteaya: this is a question regarding use of tempest and API version ( specific for ironic ).15:13
anteayadevananda jroll do you want to continue here or move the discussion to your channel?15:14
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lennybjroll: sorry, for missing this detail :)15:14
jrollanteaya: I'm not sure what more there is to discuss :)15:14
anteayaI'm feeling this is specific to ironic15:14
anteayajroll: okay15:14
jrollyes, I agree with that15:14
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anteayalennyb: do you have the answer you need?15:14
lennybyeap/15:14
anteayaokay good15:14
anteayadoes anyone object to moving on to a new topic?15:14
anteayaokay moving on15:15
anteayaI have a question15:15
anteaya#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-March/004031.html15:15
anteayaso this email talked about disabling an account15:15
anteayammedvede: you posted a reply15:15
mmedvedeanteaya: I have responded15:15
mmedvedeyes15:15
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anteayais the person asking for their system to be disabled the account owner?15:15
mmedvede#link #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-March/004033.html15:15
anteayammedvede: thanks for replying :)15:16
mmedvedeanteaya: I am not sure, I think they did inherit the CI15:16
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anteayaah15:16
anteayaand they can't turn it off from their end?15:16
mmedvedeso I suggested to flush public ssh keys if they have access to the account15:16
mmedvedeanteaya: to me it looks like there might be a zuul server that they do not have access too15:17
mmedvede*to15:17
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anteayabut the zuul server is on their end15:17
mmedvedeyes15:17
anteayaokay great15:17
anteayathis was very confusing for me15:17
anteayathanks for your help to sort this out15:17
anteayaokay I will request the account be disabled15:18
anteayathanks for helping to figure out what is going on here15:18
anteayaI appreciate it :)15:18
anteayadoes anyone have a next topic?15:18
anteayadoes anyone object to me closing the meeting?15:18
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anteayathanks everyone for your kind attendance and participation today15:19
mmedvedeanteaya: thank you15:19
anteayaenjoy the rest of the day/evening15:19
anteayasee you next week15:19
anteayammedvede: :)15:19
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anteaya#endmeeting15:19
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rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 21 16:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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rakhmerovhi, has anybody joined?16:01
NikolayMhi everyone!16:01
rakhmerovNikolayM: hi16:01
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ddejahello16:02
rakhmerovhey16:02
rakhmerovlet's wait for 2 mins16:02
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rakhmerovI guess we can start16:04
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rakhmerov#topic Review Action Items16:04
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rakhmerovthere were 2 AIs and one of them isn't going to be addressed soon (split team meeting into 2), the second is done but need to check with rbrady16:05
rakhmerov#topic Current Status (by team member)16:05
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rakhmerovmy status: I've been reviewing patches as usually and got back to fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/152447716:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1524477 in Mistral "After-task logic runs multiple times if tasks run in parallel" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Renat Akhmerov (rakhmerov)16:06
rakhmerovalso has a useful meeting with Winson where we discussed how we should make our DB transactions shorter and improve overall performance and locking problem16:07
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rakhmerovI left my comment in that same ticket16:07
rakhmerovanything new from you guys?16:07
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ddejarakhmerov: nothing from my side16:09
NikolayMmy status: reviewing patches16:09
rakhmerovddeja: ok, btw we finally merged Nikolay's patch to fix that annoying problem16:09
rakhmerovwaiting for HA gate to have more tests16:09
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ddejarakhmerov: yup, I saw this. I'm very greatfull that you manage to do it in Mitaka :)16:10
rakhmerovthat change will be in Mitaka16:10
rakhmerovno problem16:10
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rakhmerov#topic Open Discussion16:11
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rakhmerovok, I don't have anything else for today )16:11
ddejarakhmerov: Today I saw how kolla manage their meetings - they have similar problem (not everybody can join), so they just have different time bi-weekly. Maybe this would work for you guys?16:12
rakhmerovddeja: yeah, that's a nice idea16:12
rakhmerovyou mean we could just add one more time slot and every week take a different time slot?16:13
rakhmerovchoose between two16:13
ddejahttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla16:13
ddejarakhmerov: yes, that's what I meant16:13
rakhmerovnice!16:13
rakhmerovI like that16:13
rakhmerovI'll send out to the ML asap16:14
rakhmerovthanks a lot16:14
ddejano problem :)16:14
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rakhmerovok, I'll just talk to North America folks first to see what would best work for them16:14
rakhmerovany other questions?16:15
ddejaI'm done16:15
rakhmerovddeja: what are you up to with Mistral?16:15
ddejarakhmerov: right know just using16:15
ddejanow*16:16
rakhmerovok :)16:16
rakhmerovare you going to the summit?16:16
ddeja99,999% yes16:16
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ddejabugdet for travel is not fully approved, but since I have one presentation to give16:17
ddejaIt's nearly sure that I'll go16:17
rakhmerovok16:18
rakhmerovas far as myself, it's not clear yet16:18
rakhmerov50/5016:18
ddejaand BTW, I'm finishing demo of "how to use Mistral for automatic evacuate"16:18
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ddejademo == short youtube clip16:18
rakhmerovawesome, please share once you finish (if it's not for internal purposes)16:18
rakhmerovok, let's end the meeting16:19
ddejaok16:19
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rakhmerovwe need to solve time slot problem asap so that we have more people on meetings )16:19
rakhmerovthanks for joining guys16:19
ddejathanks16:20
rakhmerovbye16:20
rbradybye16:20
ddejacya16:20
rakhmerovrbrady: hey! Do you know have needed access?16:20
rakhmerovI didn't know you were here..16:20
rakhmerov..now..16:20
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NikolayMbye!16:21
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rbradyrakhmerov: my view on the blueprint hasn't changed16:21
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rakhmerovyou were going to leave comments16:21
rbradyrakhmerov: I'll add a comment somewhere though16:21
rakhmerovI just want to make sure you can do it16:21
rakhmerovyeah16:21
rbradyrakhmerov: I'll be at summit too16:21
rakhmerovok16:21
rakhmerovare you going to visit our sessions?16:22
rbradyrakhmerov: of course!16:22
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rakhmerovrbrady: cool :) I'll do my best to be there too but it's not clear on 100% now16:22
rakhmerovok16:22
rakhmerovrbrady: please let me know if you still need assistance with access or something16:23
rbradyrakhmerov: ack16:23
rakhmerovwe can continue in our channel, if needed16:23
rakhmerovok, bye for now16:23
rbradyrakhmerov: ack16:23
rakhmerov#endmeeting16:23
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matjazphi all17:02
matjazp#startmeeting training-guides17:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 21 17:02:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:02
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:02
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ianychoimatjazp, hi :)17:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'training_guides'17:02
matjazphey ianychoi17:02
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matjazp#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda17:02
matjazpstandard agenda17:02
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matjazp#topic review of last meeting action items17:03
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matjazpeverything looks ok here17:03
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ianychoiYep... :)17:03
matjazpmoving on17:04
ianychoiokay17:04
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matjazp#topic upstream training17:04
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matjazpthere will be 2 days upstream training in austin17:04
ianychoiAha, did you talk with tim freund?17:04
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matjazpit is announced on the official openstack news page17:05
ianychoiI see, thanks!17:05
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matjazpdamn, I forgot to save the linkđ17:06
matjazp linkđ = link17:06
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matjazpwe need to scan the material and enter any bugs (if spmething needs an update)17:07
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ianychoi#link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/upstream-university-openstack-summit-austin-tickets-2266910590617:07
ianychoiThis?17:07
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matjazpthis is ok too - I saw a different "press" release material somewhere17:08
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ianychoiOkay :)17:08
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matjazp#action matjazp contacts tim to see if anything regarding the upstream material needs to change17:08
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ianychoi#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/897017:09
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matjazpyes, I think this was it, thanks!17:10
ianychoi:)17:11
matjazphmm.. but here Marton is listed as a lead, not Tim17:12
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matjazpI will look into it17:12
ianychoiLet's ask for both of them :)17:12
ianychoiOkay, thanks17:12
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ianychoiI am planning to go to Austin, but it may be just on Thursday and Friday.17:13
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ianychoiI think I may help upstream training next time..17:13
matjazp#action matjazp contacts Marton Kiss to see if anything regarding the upstream material needs to change (based on the profile on the Summit page)17:13
matjazpianychoi: I'm still not sure if I will be there17:14
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ianychoiThat's fine. May see you on the next Summit :)17:14
matjazpit's the middle of the semester here17:14
matjazpsure, I look forward to it! :)17:15
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matjazpmoving on?17:15
ianychoiYep :)17:15
matjazp#topic training guides17:15
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matjazpI saw your WIP17:15
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matjazpI'll look into adding CLI slides17:15
ianychoiWow, good :)17:16
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matjazpdo you want to comment on your WIP review? Or do I wait for you to remove the WIP status?17:16
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ianychoiHow about the title? "Start a new VM with Horizon" vs. "Using dashboard", ...?17:17
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matjazpBoth are fine.17:17
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ianychoiI always welcome your comment :)17:18
matjazpUsing dashboard is parhaps a bit to ambigous17:18
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matjazpparhaps=perhaps17:18
matjazpbut anyway, nice work Ian!17:18
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ianychoiOkay :)17:19
matjazpYou can also look at the User guide, they have a nice section about this17:19
ianychoiI think the next chapter would be keystone, nova, neutron, and horizon.17:19
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ianychoiSo now I chose "using Horizon" for my working review, but I will think again :)17:20
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matjazpWe can easily chang that leater17:21
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matjazp#topic matjazp looks into adding a few slides about using the OpenStack via CLI17:22
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matjazpdamn17:22
ianychoiOkay :)17:22
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ianychoi:)17:22
matjazp#topic training guides17:22
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matjazp#action matjazp looks into adding a few slides about using the OpenStack via CLI17:22
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matjazpmoving on?17:23
ianychoiSure!17:23
matjazp#topic aob17:23
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matjazpanything we need to discuss?17:24
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ianychoiI have one question: do we need to meet our release schedule with OpenStack releases? (e.g., Mitaka, Newton, RC1, ..)17:25
matjazpno, we publish continuously17:26
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matjazpso it's not like Install guide17:27
ianychoi#link http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/openstack-manuals17:27
ianychoiI am asking it because I have seen the link and it includes training-guide17:27
matjazpOh.. you mean for release notes?17:27
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matjazpyes, I'll send some summary for the release notes about training guides17:28
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matjazpbut we don't use releases for the material17:28
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ianychoiI see :)17:29
matjazpwe just publish continuously17:29
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ianychoiYep I agree that trainings do not need exact version17:29
matjazpwe just need to stay current enough17:30
ianychoiYep, that's all from my question :)17:30
matjazpok, thanks for asking. Should we wrap it up for tonight?17:31
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ianychoiYou can wrap it up :)17:31
matjazpianychoi, thank you for your time. Always a pleasure to talk to you.17:31
matjazpbye17:31
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ianychoiBye :)17:32
ianychoiThank you so much, matjazp !17:32
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matjazp#endmeeting17:32
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markmcclain#startmeeting astara18:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 21 18:02:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:02
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markmcclainelo, rods: ping18:02
elopong18:03
markmcclainI'm filling in today since adam_g and ryanpetrello are both off today18:03
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markmcclain#topic Mitaka Release18:04
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elook18:04
markmcclain#link https://launchpad.net/astara/+milestone/mitaka-rc118:04
markmcclainwe're waiting on one change to merge and should be good to tag the release18:05
markmcclain#topic Bugs18:05
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elogood to know.18:05
phil_hcool18:05
markmcclainAny critical bugs to discuss?18:05
elonot that i'm aware of at this point18:06
phil_hnot here18:06
markmcclainOk we'll be on the lookout for bugs once the RC is tagged18:06
markmcclainif any are found please let adam_g know18:07
markmcclain#topic Newton18:07
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markmcclain#info ryanpetrello to be PTL in Newtron18:07
markmcclain#info Thanks to adam_g for this hard work as PTL in Liberty & Mitaka18:07
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markmcclainIt's hard working being PTL so thankful both of them have stepped up and help lead this project.18:08
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elomany thanks to Adam and to Ryan18:10
phil_hyes18:10
markmcclainryanpetrello has pre-planned time-off scheduled, so the adam_g and I will be helping until he returns in late April.18:10
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markmcclainOnce mitaka is finalized we'll start talking more about Newton and summit preparations.18:11
markmcclain#topic Open Discussion18:11
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markmcclainOk we'll keep things short since it's an RC week.  Thanks to everyone who contributed to the Mitaka release.  It's exciting to see the new docs and features we've all built.18:13
markmcclainTalk to everyone online18:14
markmcclain#endmeeting18:14
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armaxhello20:58
hichiharahi20:59
johnsomHi there20:59
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dasmhey20:59
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janzianHello21:00
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armax#startmeeting networking21:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar 21 21:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:00
armaxlet’s see how sleepy we are today21:00
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armaxit’s the beginning of spring21:00
ihrachyso/21:00
johnsomOn the dot21:00
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njohnstono/21:01
Sukhdevhello21:01
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mlavallearmax: a chilly beginning of spring in Texas. It was 38 this morning in San Antonio21:01
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armaxmlavalle: it’s rainy and cold in this part of the world too21:01
xgermanmlavalle glad you are still in San Antonio and not Houston21:02
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xgermanSan Diego is nice as always :-)21:02
njohnstoneverybody's glad they're not in Houston.21:02
xgerman+121:02
salv-orlandoaloha21:02
armaxlet’s dive in so that we can all go back and hibernate21:02
anteayaI'm glad I'm not in Houston21:02
amotokihi21:02
armax#topic Announcements21:03
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armaxWe have an RC1 and we’re working towards an RC221:03
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mesteryo/21:03
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armaxplease test the release and for any issue that you find, file a bug report and tag it with mitaka-rc-potential21:04
armax#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs/?field.tag=mitaka-rc-potential21:04
armaxright now we look RC bug free21:04
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armaxwe’ll pull the trigger on RC2 in the next day or so21:04
anteayaif you are rc bug free why do you need an rc2?21:05
armaxif no other bugs are found, this would be our Mitaka release21:05
armaxanteaya: we had bugs targeting RC2 that were fixed post-rc121:05
anteayaah thanks21:05
armax#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089701.html21:06
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armaxthis is the reminder email from the release team21:06
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armaxthe deadline for release candidates is Mar 2821:06
armaxhaving said that, Newton is open for business21:07
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armaxbefore we dive into it though, please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286413/ to make sure we haven’t misrepresented anything21:08
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armaxI’d like to get that merged before we can open up the specs repo for Netwon efforts21:08
armaxthis actually brings me to the next point, which is: bump all targeted specs to the newton directory21:09
armax#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-specs,n,z21:09
anteayanice idea on the post mortem21:10
armaxthanks21:10
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armaxThe summit is a little over a month from now21:11
armaxI have sent out an email to ask for design summit ideas21:12
armaxplease collect your thoughts on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas21:12
armaxwe’ll keep the design format similar to last year21:12
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armaxand I’ll work with the drivers team to put together an agenda once we have enough feedback21:12
anteayais someone looking at other project etherpads for adding neutron sessions were appropriate?21:13
anteayaI know nova's etherpad has a neutron section21:13
dougwiganteaya: do you happen to have a link handy?21:13
armaxI looked at the nova etherpad21:13
armaxdougwig: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas21:13
anteayaawesome thanks21:14
anteaya:)21:14
hichiharaWhen is dead line for the ideas?21:14
anteayaI don't know if cinder and keystone and such have their planning etherpads up yet21:14
anteayahichihara: depends on the project21:14
armaxhichihara: no deadline per se, but we’d want to finalize the schedule in the next couple of weeks21:14
Sukhdevarmax : I added couple of ideas to the etherpad21:14
hichiharaThanks21:14
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anteayathere is a deadline from ttx and thingee to have them up for everyone, but every project does it a bit differently21:15
armaxhichihara: as soon as I learn more from ttx and thingee will inform the team21:15
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armaxtypically the deadline is hinted by when the summit webside is online and we can start filling in the sessions21:16
Sukhdevarmax : We are looking to setup a joint session for Ironic/Nova/Neutron for Vlan Aware VMs for baremetal deployments21:16
armaxSukhdev: ack21:16
armaxSukhdev: knowing that we don’t even have an implementation for virtual trunking…I can’t help myself but giggle a little21:17
armaxSukhdev: but yes, I think we’d want to start that conversation21:17
amullerWe probably want to continue the tradition of the bi yearly Friday vlan aware VMs meetup21:17
Sukhdevarmax : ha ha - but, sooner we sync up sooner we will make sure we do not drift apart in implementation21:17
amotokiSukhdev: only for vlan aware VMs? the joint session sounds helpful. it can cover various topics around ironic/neutron/nova21:18
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Sukhdevamotoki : +121:18
armaxSukhdev: yes, we’d want to confirm the model is sound across all the flavors of provisioning we can come up with21:18
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armaxSukhdev: we should probably drop the VMs from the title as Apple dropped Computer back in the days21:19
armaxbut I digress21:19
Sukhdevarmax : +1 on both counts :-)21:19
armaxI hope this cycle is the cycle where we can get closure on vlan trunking21:19
SukhdevVlan aware servers21:19
armaxbut we’ll get to that21:20
SukhdevI thought some of the implementation is already underway from the neutron side21:20
armaxin fact, in the next few days I suggest anyone who’s got backlog items to make sure they get ready into shape by Newton-121:20
armaxSukhdev: we got some patches up for review but nothing has merged yet except the spec21:21
armaxwhich we’ll have to be reproposed for Newton21:21
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Sukhdevarmax : there are few patches on Ironic side as well - and they are fairly apart from each other - hence, we should have joint session so that we can coverge21:21
armaxI’ll set up our next team meeting to go over the blueprints/rfe that didn’t make Mitaka21:22
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armaxany other reminder/announcement from the team?21:22
armaxok21:24
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armax#topic bugs21:24
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armaxthis past week we had hichihara as our deputy21:25
hichiharaYeah21:25
hichiharaI have saw new 6 Critical bugs and some High bugs with mitaka-rc-potential.21:25
armaxhichihara: thanks for volunteering, is there anything you’d like raise?21:25
hichiharaThe critical bugs were finished now.21:25
hichiharaand also all bugs with mitaka-rc-potential have been finished.21:25
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hichiharaThat's all :)21:25
armaxyup, there’s more with the backport-potential tag21:26
hichiharayes21:26
hichiharahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=mitaka-backport-potential21:26
armax#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs/?field.tag=mitaka-backport-potential21:26
hichiharaoh...sorry duplicate ;)21:26
Sukhdevihrachys : can i bring up one bug which is in Mitaka RC-1, but is hitting kilo as well21:26
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armaxthere are probably not release critical but worth a quick land to stable if we manage to nail fixes in master21:26
ihrachysSukhdev: ?21:26
Sukhdevihrachys : and it is not back ported yet21:26
armaxSukhdev: link?21:27
Sukhdev#link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/155154221:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1551542 in neutron "need to check if a plugin's start rpc listeners is supported before trying to start it" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Brandon Logan (brandon-logan)21:27
Sukhdevhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/286384/21:27
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SukhdevThis is in RC-1, but, Mirantis distros are hitting in Mirantis release 7.0 - which is Kilo21:27
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amotokiSukhdev: i think it is backport-able, but kilo stable update has different schedule21:28
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ihrachysSukhdev: ok, what stops us from backporting?21:28
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ihrachysSukhdev: note that kilo will be soon closed after mitaka releases21:29
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Sukhdevihrachys : nothing, really :-)21:29
armaxI thought kilo is security fixes only21:29
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xgerman+121:29
amotokiIIRC security fix or critical fix21:29
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ihrachysarmax: and high impact stuff. so it depends on bug details.21:29
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Sukhdevihrachys : I was hoping some Mirantis guys will jump in :-)21:29
armaxihrachys: ack21:29
armaxihrachys: this doesn’t look critical to me21:30
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ihrachyshonestly, does not seem high impact. but let's just discuss in gerrit.21:30
armaxyup21:30
ihrachysMirantis can always backport into their MOS or however they call it21:30
armaxthanks Sukhdev for raising the issue21:30
Sukhdevarmax: The base class is changed - and fails many plugins to even initialize - so, figure the criticality21:30
armaxSukhdev: but how is it possible that’s being broken for 3 releases?21:31
Sukhdevarmax : good question - even I was scraching my head when customers reported it :-)21:31
armaxSukhdev: maybe the issue has been misrepresented, that said, at this point let’s get eyes on this21:31
Sukhdevarmax : agree21:32
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amotokiIIRC it is reported as an error, but most plugins succeed to start21:32
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armaxapart for this, we need a new volunteer for next week21:32
armaxany takers?21:33
amotokii can volunteer21:33
* Sukhdev three cheers for amotoki 21:34
amotokiis it for this week?21:34
armaxthanks amotoki21:34
armax#action amotoki bug deputy for week of Mar 2821:34
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hichiharaWho is bug deputy in this week?21:34
amotokiwe don't see any bug duputy for this week21:34
armaxhichihara: you’re right21:35
armaxhichihara: I overlooked21:35
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armaxhichihara: any other taker? if not, I’ll fill in21:35
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HenryGI can do this week.21:36
armaxHenryG: attaboy21:36
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armax#action HenryG deputy for the week of Mar 2121:36
armaxthanks HenryG21:36
HenryGEveryone take a week off. :D21:36
amotokiI would like to raise https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/143000321:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1430003 in neutron "Corrupt POSTROUTING Chain when using Metering and VPN agents together" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Yi Jing Zhu (nick-zhuyj)21:36
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amotokiit seems metering-agent and vpn-agent cannot be used21:37
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amotokiwe don't have a fix for this, but it is worth mentioned in our release note21:37
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amotokithe order of iptables chains is randomely swapped... and it leads to unexpected behavior.21:38
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armaxif this issue is there since icehouse…oh boy21:39
amotokiI found this last week :(21:40
armaxthat’s even worse than the kilo issue that Sukhdev raised21:40
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xgermaniptables need some serious redesign we also run into issues from the FWaaS side21:40
Sukhdevcombination of two services - probably never were tested together :-)21:40
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armaxSukhdev: yup21:40
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ihrachysnot the most popular services21:41
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xgermanyeah, and iptables/chains don’t have a good plugin model21:41
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armaxdo we even have expertise in the metering agent anymore?21:41
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armaxI have got the impression that’s a limb we’re waiting to cut off21:41
amotokiyeah... it might be better to apply iptables rules from one agent...21:42
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amotokiarmax: i feel the same.21:42
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armaxthis is the usual dilemma, if we don’t have enough people who care about the quality of a piece of the puzzle…21:42
ihrachyswell, I see some interest in it expressed on ops@, so it's not like we can easily drop it with no complains21:43
armaxihrachys: I was not going to drop it willy nilly21:43
jamespdwe really wanted to use the metering agent21:43
armaxihrachys: but if we have no-one maintaining it, then we can’t ship something that’s broken eitehr21:43
jamespdbut it made us miserable, so we ended up dropping it for custom metering outside openstack.21:44
amotokiat least we need to mention this in 'known issues' to avoid more people try this in the initial mitaka.21:44
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hichiharaamotoki: +121:44
haleybthey shouldn't step on each other since there is a lock, but there is no way for the agents to know the order each prefers it's rules in (i'm guessing that is the issue)21:44
xgermanyep, hence my comment for a sane plugin model21:44
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armaxamotoki: can you file a release note? I’ll make sure we include it in rc221:45
xgermanhinting at a bigger neutron problem21:45
amotokiarmax: sure21:45
armaxamotoki: thanks21:45
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armaxI actually wondering why the metering agent needs to fiddle with iptables21:45
armaxbut that tells the amount of knowledge that I have on the metering piece21:46
haleybarmax: packet/byte counts21:46
jamespdarmax: it counts traffic via iptables counters.21:46
ihrachysxgerman: neither we have any proper plugin point for ovs flows. it's quite a common issue throughout components.21:46
amotokimetering agent needs to setup iptables rule to count traffic per iptables granurality21:46
armaxright, but that’s pretty invasive21:46
amotokiyes21:47
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xgermanihrachys yep hence my desire for a better way...21:47
amotokiwe mihgt need to explore a different approach for iptables21:47
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amotokiIt is tricky two components touch iptables....21:48
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haleybarmax: enovance did most of the work, based on the nova-network path done by myself, so blame it on me :)  but i think Yi might have an easy fix21:48
armaxhaleyb: ack21:49
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armaxok, moving on21:49
haleybi will watch the bug21:49
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armaxSam-I-Am couldn’t make the meeting21:49
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armaxso we’ll skip the doc section21:49
armaxbut let me remind folks21:49
armaxto make sure documentation is not neglected21:50
armaxwe currently have 16 open bugs against docs21:50
armax#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=doc21:50
armaxlet make sure we squash these in time for the release21:51
armaxwe got another two weeks21:51
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kevinbentonSukhdev: i think that bug you highlighted is because MOS back-ported an RPC listener fix that wasn't back-ported upstream21:51
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kevinbentonSukhdev: i.e. it's mainly a MOS bug if i understand correctly21:52
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Sukhdevkevinbenton : Thanks for clarifying it for me21:52
armaxSukhdev: so we good?21:52
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Sukhdevkevinbenton : our joint customer is facing this issue - what do you suggest is the best way to address it?21:53
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Sukhdevarmax : yes, looks like now I am in good hands :-);-)21:53
kevinbentonSukhdev: file a bug against mirantis openstack21:53
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armaxSukhdev: kevinbenton has very good hands21:53
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hichiharaarmax: They are devref only. I guess that we have more doc bugs in openstack-manual and api-site21:53
kevinbentonSukhdev: https://launchpad.net/~mos-neutron21:53
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Sukhdevkevinbenton : Thanks21:54
armaxhichihara: true21:54
armaxok folks, 5 more minutes, if there isn’t anything burning, I’d give you them back21:54
armaxoh and by the way…it looks like you guys are stuck with me for another cycle21:54
kevinbenton:'(21:55
mlavalleLOL21:55
armaxyou lost your chance to oust me21:55
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salv-orlandoarmax: why would we?21:55
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armaxsalv-orlando: dunno, you tell me?21:55
armaxbye!21:56
armax#endmeeting21:56
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