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Guest_98765 | Allah is doing | 06:04 |
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Guest_98765 | boss is not doing Allah is doing | 06:06 |
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Guest_98765 | degree is not doing Allah is doing | 06:06 |
Guest_98765 | medicine is not doing Allah is doing | 06:06 |
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Guest_98765 | you can not get a job without the permission of allah | 06:07 |
Guest_98765 | you can not get married without the permission of allah | 06:07 |
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aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 09:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 21 09:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 09:00 |
aspiers | hi | 09:00 |
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aspiers | who do we have today? | 09:00 |
ddeja | o/ | 09:00 |
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aspiers | if it's just us two, we can discuss our talk ;-) | 09:01 |
ddeja | yup | 09:01 |
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ddeja | but maybe someone else will show, we can wait 2 minutes more ;) | 09:01 |
aspiers | sure | 09:01 |
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ddeja | ok, it looks like it's really us two, aspiers | 09:04 |
aspiers | yep | 09:04 |
aspiers | no problem | 09:04 |
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aspiers | well let's use normal structure anyway, it will work fine | 09:04 |
aspiers | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 09:04 |
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aspiers | not much from my end | 09:04 |
aspiers | I did a few tweaks to openstack-resource-agents | 09:05 |
aspiers | and reported some HA bugs | 09:05 |
aspiers | e.g. http://bugs.clusterlabs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5271 | 09:05 |
openstack | bugs.clusterlabs.org bug 5271 in Documentation "usage of status action in OCF RAs needs clarifying or eliminating" [Normal,Unconfirmed] - Assigned to oalbrigt | 09:05 |
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ddeja | so only short status from my side - I have prepared images for demo "Mistral HA". I didn't completed it yet since I worked on getting US visa | 09:05 |
aspiers | when I noticed that most of the RAs have the status action, and that's pointless | 09:05 |
aspiers | so I will drop it | 09:05 |
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ddeja | ok | 09:05 |
aspiers | what type of images? | 09:06 |
ddeja | oh, images == pictures | 09:06 |
aspiers | oh, heh | 09:06 |
ddeja | like diagrams in visio ;) | 09:06 |
aspiers | too early in the morninng for me ;-) | 09:06 |
aspiers | cool! | 09:06 |
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aspiers | I guess you also took a look at reveal.js, right? | 09:07 |
aspiers | or at least at Florian's talk | 09:07 |
ddeja | yes, I have watched Florians talk, didn't have time to play with technology itself but surely do this week | 09:07 |
aspiers | ok | 09:07 |
aspiers | I was also working on our neutron-ha-tool OCF RA which we use in SUSE OpenStack Cloud 5 and 6 for neutron HA | 09:08 |
aspiers | I guess for the next release we will probably switch to the standard upstream approach | 09:08 |
ddeja | that's good | 09:08 |
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aspiers | yeah | 09:09 |
aspiers | or at least in the DVR case | 09:09 |
aspiers | oh | 09:09 |
aspiers | I just remembered | 09:09 |
ddeja | hm? | 09:09 |
aspiers | last Tuesday was the cross-project meeting | 09:10 |
aspiers | that was last week, right? | 09:10 |
ddeja | I think so | 09:10 |
aspiers | I guess most people read the minutes / logs the next day | 09:10 |
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bogdando | hi | 09:10 |
aspiers | but I should mention it for completeness | 09:10 |
aspiers | oh hey bogdando :) | 09:10 |
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ddeja | hello :) | 09:10 |
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aspiers | so we talked about the auto-evacuation spec | 09:11 |
aspiers | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257809/2 | 09:11 |
aspiers | there seemed to be a LOT of interest in the topic | 09:11 |
aspiers | and I explained why I thought it was cross-project | 09:12 |
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aspiers | however it was decided that whilst this is important work, a high-level cross-project spec doesn't really make sense | 09:12 |
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aspiers | I think specs are supposed to have concrete low-level action items | 09:13 |
aspiers | rather than be technical strategy documents | 09:13 |
masahito | hi | 09:13 |
aspiers | so I think the spec will be abandoned | 09:13 |
aspiers | hi masahito :) | 09:13 |
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aspiers | I was just summarising the cross-project meeting | 09:13 |
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masahito | got it. I'll check eavesdrop. | 09:14 |
aspiers | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2016/crossproject.2016-03-15-21.01.log.html | 09:14 |
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aspiers | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2016/crossproject.2016-03-15-21.01.html | 09:14 |
bogdando | any action items to the spec decomposition then? | 09:15 |
aspiers | #info the conclusion was: keep working on it and collaborating with the different projects | 09:15 |
bogdando | we shall not just abandon and forget :) | 09:15 |
aspiers | #info and submit specs to individual projects when there are APIs missing | 09:15 |
aspiers | bogdando: well I guess until now, each group was working on their individual solutions | 09:16 |
bogdando | and looking to the comments, I believe it was a good idea to make it CP | 09:16 |
aspiers | but maybe we need to start collaborating on the convergence | 09:16 |
bogdando | otherwise we'd never have collected so many comments from folks from different areas / projects | 09:17 |
ddeja | aspiers: I think still some groups working on their solitions | 09:17 |
aspiers | ddeja: yes, I think we all are | 09:17 |
aspiers | ddeja: maybe it is still too early | 09:17 |
aspiers | but we could start thinking about convergence action items | 09:17 |
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bogdando | so, CP is eactly perfect place for the *high-level* concepts | 09:18 |
aspiers | #topic how to evaluate possible convergence strategies for auto evac | 09:18 |
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bogdando | exactly | 09:18 |
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aspiers | bogdando: high-level architectural discussion is cross-project for sure | 09:18 |
aspiers | but apparently specs are not the way to do it | 09:19 |
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aspiers | maybe because that reaches too wide an audience | 09:19 |
bogdando | So I'd prefer we finish that instead of allowing the initiative to be split into detached local activities | 09:19 |
aspiers | I think a wiki or etherpad is fine | 09:19 |
aspiers | and mailing list / IRC | 09:20 |
bogdando | but only spec provides a path for future code reviews... | 09:20 |
aspiers | or we could move the spec somewhere else, e.g. mistral | 09:20 |
aspiers | several people said they thought it looked like a mistral spec | 09:20 |
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bogdando | maybe yes | 09:20 |
ddeja | aspiers: from my experience with Mistral I don't think such spec suits in it | 09:21 |
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aspiers | ddeja: yeah I'm not convinced by that either | 09:21 |
ddeja | since (despite some bugs) Mistral is only a Workflow executor | 09:21 |
ddeja | but there was some plans of having 'very good, reliable workflows' in Mistral repo | 09:21 |
aspiers | Sean Dague said "A cross project spec should either be a thing which affects nearly all openstack projects, or a thing that all the projects involved have agreed to already" | 09:22 |
bogdando | yes, we cannot design things like fencing there | 09:22 |
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bogdando | or nova API changes, if any | 09:22 |
aspiers | bogdando: I think the point with nova API changes was that currently it is believed to do everything we need | 09:22 |
aspiers | so in that sense, nova is not involved until we find a bug or a gap in functionality | 09:22 |
ddeja | bogdando: for now, fencing is done outside OpenStack, so I don't know if we should discussed fencing at all | 09:22 |
bogdando | so we may end up having 3 specs - Mistral (if anything to be changed in the Mistral), Nova (ditto), OpenStack resource agents space ? | 09:23 |
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ddeja | IMO we should just state that fencing must be configured | 09:23 |
aspiers | ddeja: that's a good point - fencing will probably never be inside OpenStack (unless using Ironic / Triple-O?) | 09:23 |
bogdando | yes, we can just note and leave out of scope | 09:23 |
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aspiers | but fencing is a crucial part of the architecture of course | 09:23 |
ddeja | yeah, also we can provide OCF agent for Mistral | 09:23 |
aspiers | ddeja: that's a great example of something which deserves a spec in openstack-resource-agents :) | 09:24 |
* ddeja has OCF agent that calls mistral API prepared | 09:24 | |
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bogdando | indeed, new OCF RA for Mistral fits well into the latter of 3 specs | 09:24 |
aspiers | which reminds me I need to set up a specs repo | 09:24 |
aspiers | #action aspiers to set up a specs repo for openstack-resource-agennts | 09:24 |
bogdando | and the rest things might be just put to the HA guide | 09:25 |
aspiers | (we also need that for planning Fuel reconvergence) | 09:25 |
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aspiers | bogdando: hmm, I think it's maybe too WIP for the HA guide now? | 09:25 |
bogdando | like - make sure you configured the pcmk that way , and enabled fencing | 09:25 |
aspiers | oh, you mean just fencing? | 09:25 |
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bogdando | yes, if we have a clear vision, nothing blocks us | 09:25 |
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bogdando | everything you mentioned would not go as a part of OpenStack setup/op | 09:25 |
ddeja | since everyone is using pacemaker for fencing, it can be mentioned in HA guide | 09:26 |
aspiers | TBH I think we need an architecture diagram | 09:26 |
bogdando | we have a section for controllers HA setup | 09:26 |
aspiers | which maps all the required components of auto-evac | 09:26 |
ddeja | +1 | 09:26 |
bogdando | we could add there all details near to the existing pacemaker/corosync sections | 09:26 |
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aspiers | maybe we could use google drive to collaborate on drawing on? | 09:26 |
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aspiers | *one | 09:27 |
bogdando | and add details how one shall configure pcmk remote for computes HA , for example | 09:27 |
aspiers | or some other tool which is like "ether-visio" | 09:27 |
bogdando | and we can add diagrams | 09:27 |
bogdando | we have many now :) | 09:27 |
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aspiers | ddeja: I think we need this map for our talk anyway ;-) | 09:28 |
bogdando | we have bright examples Pacemaker Cluster Manager http://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/intro-ha-arch-pacemaker.html and Keepalived http://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/intro-ha-arch-keepalived.html architecture details and limitations | 09:29 |
ddeja | aspiers: you mean something like that https://github.com/gryf/mistral-evacuate/blob/master/Automatic%20evacuate%20design.jpg | 09:29 |
aspiers | bogdando: are there diagrams in the ha-guide? | 09:29 |
aspiers | bogdando: oh... thanks :) | 09:29 |
bogdando | :) | 09:29 |
ddeja | so it looks like we have enaough diagrams ;) | 09:29 |
aspiers | bogdando: is there a standard way to produce diagrams for upstream docs? | 09:30 |
bogdando | but we need ad more specific to the Instance ha + pacemaker remote now | 09:30 |
bogdando | I have no idea ;( | 09:30 |
bogdando | let's ask openstack docs folks | 09:30 |
aspiers | good idea | 09:30 |
aspiers | the neutron docs have tons of great docs | 09:30 |
aspiers | I wonder how they collaborate on them | 09:30 |
bogdando | or Andrew Beekhof, who probably created those above | 09:30 |
bogdando | :) | 09:30 |
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beekhof | what i do? | 09:31 |
aspiers | Google Drawings is probably the easiest way | 09:31 |
aspiers | beekhof: it's all your fault! | 09:31 |
bogdando | so do we agree we can start working on the docs update w/o waiting for accepted implementations? | 09:32 |
bogdando | as it seems 100% to be pcmk_remote with OCF RA | 09:32 |
ddeja | beekhof: out of nowhere! | 09:32 |
aspiers | :) | 09:32 |
* beekhof was cooking dinner - its been on of those days | 09:32 | |
bogdando | beekhof, those? Pacemaker Cluster Manager http://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/intro-ha-arch-pacemaker.html and Keepalived http://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/intro-ha-arch-keepalived.html architecture details and limitations | 09:32 |
beekhof | yep, i made those | 09:33 |
aspiers | bogdando: what do you mean by docs update? a new section in ha-guide? | 09:33 |
bogdando | yes | 09:33 |
bogdando | to cover everything's missing to the setup required for the Instances HA | 09:33 |
bogdando | and in that we all 100% sure | 09:33 |
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ddeja | fencing is such thing | 09:33 |
bogdando | like, pacemaker_remote, fencing, Mistral OCF RA | 09:34 |
masahito | I find good section. | 09:34 |
masahito | http://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/compute-node-ha-api.html | 09:34 |
bogdando | exaclty | 09:34 |
aspiers | bogdando: well, are we 100% sure on Mistral? for me it is a very good option, but I think we still have to do a lot of work and testing to be 100% | 09:35 |
bogdando | we can skip Mistral then | 09:35 |
aspiers | that's still implementation details | 09:35 |
aspiers | I think for now, only architecture should be covered in ha-guide | 09:35 |
beekhof | those diagrams were made in keynote (apple application like powerpoint) | 09:35 |
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bogdando | hm, I'm only trying to find a place for things will not go to any specs but still must be known (how-to) | 09:35 |
beekhof | i can probably export it into powerpoint which google docs might import | 09:35 |
aspiers | bogdando: yes, that is the challenge we need to figure out :) | 09:36 |
ddeja | aspiers: as far as I know triple-O guys are willing to use Mistral | 09:36 |
aspiers | bogdando: I think probably a wiki | 09:36 |
aspiers | bogdando: unless we want to use gerrit for review | 09:36 |
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bogdando | do we agree on adding pacemaker_remote topics to the HA guide compute nodes HA? | 09:37 |
bogdando | it seems like 100% will go into the final solution | 09:37 |
masahito | bogdando: Just pacemaker_remote? | 09:37 |
bogdando | and fencing details! | 09:37 |
aspiers | bogdando: +1 | 09:37 |
ddeja | for now I see no alternative - maybe Ironic would be able to do fencing someday... | 09:38 |
aspiers | agreed | 09:38 |
aspiers | bogdando: I think it would also be good to document that compute HA is still WIP | 09:38 |
aspiers | bogdando: the ha-guide could point to our community here | 09:39 |
bogdando | btw, aspiers I saw you asked about remote stonith agents, so may be you could add some things you know now :) | 09:39 |
aspiers | bogdando: link to etherpad, weekly meetings etc. | 09:39 |
ddeja | aspiers: Big +1 on that | 09:39 |
bogdando | great then | 09:39 |
masahito | it sounds nice. | 09:39 |
aspiers | bogdando: can you take care of that? and add us as reviewers? | 09:40 |
bogdando | If I had a time to play with setup verification | 09:40 |
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aspiers | maybe we could attract more people to our community that way | 09:40 |
bogdando | would be nice though someone who already did just shared results and notes | 09:40 |
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bogdando | so I could expose them as the guide (and test them as well) | 09:41 |
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aspiers | bogdando: I think the wiki is the right place to link to them | 09:41 |
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masahito | aspiers: agree. I noticed I can't find our eatherpad on google. | 09:41 |
aspiers | since they are WIP and change quickly | 09:41 |
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ddeja | bogdando: you mean steps how to configure pacemaker_remote? | 09:41 |
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aspiers | we can also use wiki for evolving arch/design docs | 09:41 |
ddeja | and fencing of compute nodes? | 09:41 |
bogdando | yes, and fencing agents to use with computes probably (w/o devices specific things) | 09:42 |
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aspiers | bogdando: there's not much to say about stonith of remote nodes, it's all documented already | 09:42 |
aspiers | bogdando: I just failed to find the docs the first time | 09:42 |
bogdando | well I'd like to put only the very specific things, no cross posting | 09:42 |
bogdando | or a link if that just works the way we want | 09:43 |
bogdando | the idea is to document something verified, even if as PoC | 09:43 |
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ddeja | I belive that the way RH explained how to setup stonith is OK | 09:44 |
ddeja | https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Configuring_the_Red_Hat_High_Availability_Add-On_with_Pacemaker/ch-fencing-HAAR.html | 09:44 |
bogdando | folks, it should be not just a common things, but specific to OpenStack computes and pacemaker_*remote* | 09:44 |
bogdando | with existing limitations like stonith resources may not be running on the compute nodes | 09:45 |
bogdando | or which type of remote fencing agents to use | 09:45 |
bogdando | that we *do* recommend | 09:45 |
ddeja | ok, I see | 09:45 |
aspiers | I don't think there is a need to favour any type of fencing agent | 09:46 |
bogdando | like maximum of nodes supported in the cluster (16 afaik) | 09:46 |
aspiers | any is good | 09:46 |
bogdando | so, more practical things | 09:46 |
bogdando | useful for ops | 09:46 |
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bogdando | so that would not be just a reference to the existing guides AFAICT | 09:47 |
aspiers | bogdando: in the period before we have a working solution to document, what do you think is the goal of this section in the ha-guide? | 09:47 |
aspiers | I'm not sure it makes sense to document how to do 20% of a full solution | 09:47 |
bogdando | the goal is to make community prepared for Instances HA solutions | 09:47 |
bogdando | and shed some light to required tooling, setups | 09:48 |
bogdando | there are not much things about pacemaker remote IIUC | 09:48 |
bogdando | only few tech talks, and many things WIP, am I right? | 09:48 |
ddeja | bogdando: I have a setup with fencing configured, but it's based on this https://access.redhat.com/articles/1544823 The only things I've added are custom fencing agent (and Mistral ofcourse) | 09:48 |
aspiers | IMHO it's fine to say "you will need pacemaker_remote" | 09:48 |
aspiers | and maybe link to docs on pacemaker_remote | 09:48 |
aspiers | but I'm not sure it makes sense to document details of how to set it up | 09:48 |
bogdando | okay, let's just try to draft something... | 09:48 |
aspiers | bogdando: yeah, please just submit a review and add us to cc | 09:49 |
bogdando | ok I'll try :) | 09:49 |
aspiers | bogdando: I will definitely review anything you cc me on :) | 09:49 |
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aspiers | oops, that was a dangerous promise ;) | 09:49 |
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ddeja | aspiers: prepare to review some fuel patches ;) | 09:49 |
aspiers | lol | 09:50 |
bogdando | haha | 09:50 |
aspiers | bogdando: I think the most important thing to add is info on our WIP | 09:50 |
aspiers | bogdando: i.e. http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#High_Availability_Meeting | 09:50 |
aspiers | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automatic-evacuation | 09:50 |
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aspiers | and maybe we need a wiki page which is a more friendly landing page for this topic | 09:51 |
aspiers | bogdando: also you could link to the user story | 09:51 |
aspiers | although that is the first link in the etherpad :) | 09:51 |
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aspiers | #action bogdando to submit an ha-guide review adding info about community WIP on auto-evac | 09:52 |
aspiers | shall we also have a play with google drawing? | 09:53 |
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aspiers | https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1q50txuu3vVx2WadhWGAeSO25PaEy_DbmwhVryT4FXCY/edit?usp=sharing | 09:53 |
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aspiers | #action anyone who wants to, to experiment with google drawing | 09:54 |
aspiers | I think an architecture map would really help us | 09:54 |
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ddeja | I can paste there drawing I have prepared for my demo to have something to start with | 09:55 |
aspiers | ok | 09:55 |
bogdando | ddeja, great! | 09:55 |
aspiers | #topic AOB | 09:55 |
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ddeja | It's Mistral-oriented, but it's still something to start | 09:55 |
aspiers | any other business before we finish? | 09:55 |
ddeja | wait one minute guys and tell if my drawing makes any sense ;) | 09:55 |
ddeja | Done, pasted | 09:56 |
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masahito | I'll paste Masakari architecture. | 09:57 |
masahito | in the page. | 09:57 |
ddeja | but I don't know if it is anywhere close to what you guys have in mind :) | 09:58 |
haukebruno | well, hi \o/ being a _bit_ late, sorry :p | 09:58 |
aspiers | haha hi haukebruno, we are just finishing :) | 09:58 |
masahito | I think it's easy to compare both and others. | 09:58 |
ddeja | so feel free to delete it, I have it in another docs | 09:58 |
ddeja | masahito: +1 | 09:58 |
bogdando | good point | 09:58 |
haukebruno | aspiers, yeah. I apologize... pretty bad timings today | 09:58 |
ddeja | I just wonder if we can add second page in this drawing? | 09:59 |
aspiers | ddeja: I was thinking we need a process diagram | 09:59 |
aspiers | ddeja: I'll try to sketch something so it makes more sense | 09:59 |
aspiers | something a bit like https://github.com/ntt-sic/masakari/blob/master/contents/architecture.png | 10:00 |
aspiers | but more generic | 10:00 |
aspiers | not specific to any implementation | 10:00 |
aspiers | anyway, we are out of time | 10:00 |
ddeja | I see | 10:00 |
aspiers | let's continue on #openstack-ha | 10:00 |
aspiers | thanks all! | 10:00 |
aspiers | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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ddeja | thanks, bye | 10:00 |
openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 21 10:00:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-03-21-09.00.html | 10:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-03-21-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-03-21-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
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andreykurilin__ | #startmeeting Weekly Rally meeting | 14:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 21 14:02:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Weekly Rally meeting)" | 14:02 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'weekly_rally_meeting' | 14:02 |
amaretskiy | hi | 14:02 |
andreykurilin__ | hi all | 14:02 |
rvasilets | o/ | 14:02 |
redixin | hej | 14:03 |
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andreykurilin__ | we don't have agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally again | 14:04 |
redixin | so nothing to discuss? =) | 14:04 |
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andreykurilin__ | no | 14:04 |
andreykurilin__ | you are wrong) | 14:04 |
amaretskiy | release :) | 14:04 |
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andreykurilin__ | yeah | 14:05 |
redixin | & recursive atomic actions | 14:05 |
andreykurilin__ | #topic New release | 14:05 |
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andreykurilin__ | so today we should have a new release | 14:06 |
andreykurilin__ | based on out release schedule | 14:06 |
andreykurilin__ | PS: out release schedule is located here - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16DXpfbqvlzMFaqaXAcJsBzzpowb_XpymaK2aFY2gA2g/edit#gid=1993147046 | 14:06 |
andreykurilin__ | Do we have any blockers for release? | 14:07 |
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rvasilets | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16DXpfbqvlzMFaqaXAcJsBzzpowb_XpymaK2aFY2gA2g/edit#gid=1993147046 | 14:07 |
rvasilets | I don't know any blockers) | 14:07 |
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andreykurilin__ | amaretskiy, redixin: ? | 14:08 |
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rvasilets | If we stable enough then we can cut release) | 14:08 |
amaretskiy | i do not see blockers | 14:08 |
andreykurilin__ | rvasilets: we are:) | 14:08 |
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andreykurilin__ | nice | 14:08 |
rvasilets | ) | 14:08 |
andreykurilin__ | so, I'll try to post release notes as soon as possible | 14:09 |
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andreykurilin__ | let's move to next topic | 14:10 |
andreykurilin__ | #topic recursive atomic actions | 14:10 |
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andreykurilin__ | redixin: ^ | 14:10 |
amaretskiy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279546/2/doc/specs/in-progress/improve_atomic_actions_format.rst | 14:10 |
ikhudoshyn | hi everybody | 14:10 |
andreykurilin__ | ikhudoshyn: hi | 14:10 |
amaretskiy | i can add recursive atomic actions nesting to the schema in spec | 14:10 |
amaretskiy | but do we really need atomic actions nesting more then 1 level ? | 14:11 |
amaretskiy | *than | 14:11 |
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andreykurilin__ | #link https://allisonmaruska.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/we-need-to-go-deeper.jpg | 14:11 |
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andreykurilin__ | amaretkiy: I can not imagine cases when we need nested level more then 1 | 14:12 |
boris-42 | hi hihi | 14:12 |
andreykurilin__ | hi boris-42 | 14:12 |
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boris-42 | andreykurilin__: we need in complicated cases | 14:13 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: like we would like to split first request and polling request | 14:13 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: however it's the same action booting vm | 14:13 |
amaretskiy | okay, so add unlimited nesting? | 14:14 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: so to be honest for now I see only useful to have 1 level of it | 14:14 |
andreykurilin__ | :) | 14:14 |
boris-42 | amaretskiy: I would like to see the code that allows us to use 1 level (and that is simple to change and allow to use any levels) | 14:15 |
amaretskiy | i think that 1 level is OK because we can add deeper nesting easily | 14:15 |
boris-42 | ok | 14:15 |
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andreykurilin__ | so we have an agreement on this topic | 14:16 |
amaretskiy | great, keep 1 level for now | 14:17 |
andreykurilin__ | Any other topics to discuss? | 14:17 |
rvasilets | yes | 14:17 |
amaretskiy | I have one | 14:17 |
rvasilets | me too | 14:17 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: yep | 14:17 |
andreykurilin__ | why you didn't add them to agenda?) | 14:18 |
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boris-42 | andreykurilin__: didn't have time lol | 14:18 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: and just got requirement | 14:18 |
andreykurilin__ | :) | 14:18 |
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andreykurilin__ | ok, ravsilets was the first | 14:18 |
andreykurilin__ | *rvasilets | 14:18 |
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amaretskiy | actually I'm going to discuss a topic which kiran-r promised me to add to agenda, but he is absent, as well as a topic :) | 14:18 |
rvasilets | typing | 14:18 |
andreykurilin__ | rvasilets: what is your topic? | 14:18 |
rvasilets | topic: rename atomic actions to something different | 14:19 |
rvasilets | I'm confused about using of atomic term in our case | 14:19 |
rvasilets | becaouse atom its the smallest part | 14:20 |
rvasilets | but we have nested levels | 14:20 |
andreykurilin__ | #topic: rename atomic actions to something different | 14:20 |
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amaretskiy | timing actions? | 14:20 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: so your name actions | 14:20 |
rvasilets | so I suggest not to use atomic term | 14:20 |
rvasilets | just an action | 14:20 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: ? | 14:20 |
rvasilets | for example | 14:20 |
ikhudoshyn | timed_action ? | 14:20 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: yep that sounds actually reasonable and won't be hard to people to find it | 14:20 |
boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: to long and not fancy | 14:20 |
boris-42 | =) | 14:20 |
ikhudoshyn | ) | 14:21 |
boris-42 | too | 14:21 |
rvasilets | I suggest to rename atomic action across the project to just an action or, for example, activity action, measured action, measure. | 14:21 |
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amaretskiy | just "timings" :) | 14:21 |
boris-42 | rvasilets: andreykurilin__ amaretskiy so I believe actions is the best one, because it looks similiar to atomic_action | 14:21 |
rvasilets | yep | 14:21 |
ikhudoshyn | +1 for action | 14:21 |
rvasilets | agree | 14:21 |
andreykurilin__ | I like timed action more | 14:21 |
amaretskiy | + | 14:21 |
boris-42 | which won't produce any problems for old users | 14:21 |
andreykurilin__ | :) | 14:21 |
amaretskiy | + for "action" | 14:22 |
boris-42 | ok so seems we have agreement here | 14:22 |
rvasilets | yes | 14:22 |
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rvasilets | Agreed: Rename atomic_actions to actions | 14:22 |
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andreykurilin__ | #agreement rename atomic_actions to actions | 14:22 |
andreykurilin__ | amaretskiy: can you mention this rename at your spec? | 14:23 |
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amaretskiy | okay, let's propose renaming in the spec | 14:23 |
andreykurilin__ | nice | 14:23 |
andreykurilin__ | just want to have a note somewhere about this rename | 14:24 |
amaretskiy | will do :) | 14:24 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: is it BP enough? | 14:24 |
andreykurilin__ | boris-42: it can be enough | 14:25 |
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andreykurilin__ | but I suppose, we can merge a spec by amaretskiy in near future so we aggregate info about refactoring atomics there | 14:25 |
amaretskiy | there will be at least 2 working items, so we need a BP | 14:26 |
andreykurilin__ | ok | 14:26 |
andreykurilin__ | :) | 14:26 |
andreykurilin__ | let's move to the next topic | 14:26 |
amaretskiy | i will post a BP | 14:26 |
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amaretskiy | my topic is about kiran-r question | 14:27 |
andreykurilin__ | please share it:) | 14:27 |
amaretskiy | he asked me about use case - running 200 iterations over 20 tenants and expecting that each tenant will be used 10 times | 14:28 |
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amaretskiy | however we do not have such balancing | 14:28 |
amaretskiy | we use random choice | 14:28 |
andreykurilin__ | one moment | 14:28 |
amaretskiy | so thi sexpectation will not work | 14:28 |
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boris-42 | amaretskiy: this is not hard to do | 14:28 |
amaretskiy | the question is about balancing of tenants per iterations | 14:29 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: implemenet | 14:29 |
amaretskiy | yes | 14:29 |
amaretskiy | this is relatively simple | 14:29 |
andreykurilin__ | #topic possibility to balance usage of users | 14:29 |
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boris-42 | amaretskiy: we need just to add new parrameter to users/existing_users context | 14:29 |
andreykurilin__ | we have an old implelmntation | 14:29 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: strategy: random/round_robin | 14:29 |
andreykurilin__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229896/ | 14:29 |
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boris-42 | andreykurilin__: so that has bugs | 14:30 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: and bad UX it should be refactored before merged | 14:30 |
andreykurilin__ | boris-42: you put -2 due to new type of runner | 14:31 |
andreykurilin__ | which is not implemented yet:) | 14:31 |
amaretskiy | who will be responsible for this change? | 14:31 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: I put -2 because you guys were trying to merge very bad patch | 14:32 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: that blocks work on distributed runner | 14:32 |
andreykurilin__ | boris-42: :) | 14:32 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: so you tried to shoot your leg and I stopped that | 14:32 |
andreykurilin__ | amaretskiy: If we leave suggestions, vponomaryov can finish it | 14:32 |
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boris-42 | andreykurilin__: There are already suggestions ... | 14:32 |
amaretskiy | okay, I will add a comment | 14:33 |
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boris-42 | amaretskiy: there is already comment form me | 14:33 |
andreykurilin__ | boris-42: I spent too much time for rally verify(Tempest), so it is normal for me to shoot my legs:) | 14:33 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: amaretskiy guys you need to read all comments for all patch sets | 14:33 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: amaretskiy and not skip them esepcially when they put -1 | 14:33 |
amaretskiy | ok | 14:33 |
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andreykurilin__ | let's add suggestions how comments by boris-42 can be addressed:) | 14:34 |
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boris-42 | andreykurilin__: ok | 14:34 |
andreykurilin__ | let's move to next topic | 14:35 |
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andreykurilin__ | boris-42: your turn | 14:35 |
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andreykurilin__ | boris-42: ping | 14:37 |
andreykurilin__ | :) | 14:37 |
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rvasilets | maybe he is typing?) | 14:37 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: so "shaker to rally" | 14:37 |
andreykurilin__ | #topic shaker to rally | 14:37 |
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boris-42 | redixin: are you around? | 14:38 |
redixin | yes | 14:38 |
boris-42 | redixin: so basically shaker runs heat template after that triggers net tools | 14:38 |
andreykurilin__ | #link https://github.com/openstack/shaker | 14:38 |
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boris-42 | redixin: it will be nice to generalize work that you did for MCV team and implement shaker functionallity | 14:39 |
boris-42 | redixin: can you spend some time during this week and do analyze of what should be done and calulate estimates? | 14:39 |
redixin | boris-42: yea I was thinking about heat workload today, and have an idea | 14:40 |
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redixin | we can make heat_stack context and scenario to do something with this context, like do heat.update or ssh("iperf") | 14:40 |
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boris-42 | redixin: so like in context we are running heat create | 14:41 |
boris-42 | redixin: in scenario heat update | 14:41 |
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redixin | I mean heat_stack will deploy something, and scenario will run something (heat_update or anything else) | 14:41 |
boris-42 | redixin: yep | 14:41 |
redixin | run something with or without updating heat | 14:42 |
boris-42 | redixin: so we will be able to use heat context to create any env | 14:42 |
boris-42 | redixin: I like the idea | 14:42 |
redixin | like heat.update({some_key: self.context] | 14:42 |
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redixin | like heat.update({some_key: self.context[iteration]) | 14:42 |
boris-42 | redixin: so can you do analyze of shaker and what should be done to implemenet | 14:42 |
redixin | sure | 14:42 |
boris-42 | self.context["heat"]["blablabla"] | 14:42 |
boris-42 | actually=) | 14:42 |
boris-42 | but I got the idea | 14:43 |
redixin | we need to know current iteration number | 14:43 |
redixin | use iteration number in heat.update | 14:43 |
redixin | like heat.update({num_vms: iteration_number}) | 14:43 |
redixin | and limit concurrency to 1 | 14:44 |
redixin | so we can test heat stack with different number of some worker nodes | 14:44 |
andreykurilin__ | redixin: we have a variable self.context["iteration"] | 14:44 |
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boris-42 | andreykurilin__: yep we have | 14:45 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: it's add by scenario runner as far as I know | 14:45 |
andreykurilin__ | yes, so we can determice current iteration number easily | 14:46 |
andreykurilin__ | *determine | 14:46 |
redixin | right | 14:46 |
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boris-42 | okay | 14:50 |
boris-42 | maybe next topic? | 14:50 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: ^ | 14:50 |
andreykurilin__ | It looks like we don't have more topics | 14:50 |
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andreykurilin__ | :) | 14:50 |
rvasilets | https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/task/runner.py#L57 | 14:50 |
boris-42 | andreykurilin__: we have | 14:50 |
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boris-42 | andreykurilin__: topic: google doc 2 BP and back | 14:50 |
andreykurilin__ | #topic google doc 2 BP and back | 14:51 |
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boris-42 | so the idea is to move all data from google doc to BP | 14:51 |
andreykurilin__ | boris-42: you have 9 minutes for it:) | 14:51 |
boris-42 | as well update it | 14:51 |
boris-42 | and after that use script to generate google spreadsheets from launchapd | 14:51 |
boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: ^ what is the status of this work | 14:51 |
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ikhudoshyn | I started digging across the doc, it's huge | 14:52 |
ikhudoshyn | I didnt create any bp so far | 14:52 |
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ikhudoshyn | but I don't think we need any scrip or smth for that | 14:53 |
ikhudoshyn | script | 14:53 |
ikhudoshyn | so my primary intent is to make it all manually | 14:54 |
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ikhudoshyn | but i'm in doubts | 14:54 |
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ikhudoshyn | not much by far | 14:55 |
ikhudoshyn | but that's all for now | 14:55 |
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boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: first time from google doc -> to BP you will have to do maunally | 14:56 |
boris-42 | for 2 reaosns | 14:56 |
boris-42 | 1) data is sometimes out of dated in both places | 14:56 |
boris-42 | 2) it is super hard to do with scripts (working with LP is painful) | 14:56 |
boris-42 | ok | 14:56 |
ikhudoshyn | yep, agree on both | 14:57 |
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ikhudoshyn | but there are 60+ items in the doc so it won't happen super fast | 14:57 |
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boris-42 | ok | 14:59 |
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boris-42 | seems like we are out of time | 14:59 |
andreykurilin__ | yeah | 14:59 |
andreykurilin__ | we need to finish | 14:59 |
andreykurilin__ | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 21 14:59:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_rally_meeting/2016/weekly_rally_meeting.2016-03-21-14.02.html | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_rally_meeting/2016/weekly_rally_meeting.2016-03-21-14.02.txt | 14:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_rally_meeting/2016/weekly_rally_meeting.2016-03-21-14.02.log.html | 14:59 |
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anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 21 15:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
anteaya | hello | 15:00 |
mmedvede | o/ | 15:00 |
anteaya | how are you today? | 15:00 |
boris-42 | see you next week | 15:00 |
mmedvede | hi anteaya, I am great. yourself? | 15:00 |
anteaya | good thanks | 15:01 |
lennyb | hi | 15:01 |
anteaya | hey lennyb | 15:01 |
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anteaya | does anyone have anything they wish to discuss today? | 15:01 |
anteaya | we have all read the gerrit ip change coming up, yes? | 15:01 |
lennyb | I have a tempest related question. | 15:01 |
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anteaya | lennyb: go ahead | 15:02 |
lennyb | I need to run tempest with ironic-api version 1.17. how can I technically do it? | 15:02 |
anteaya | good question | 15:02 |
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anteaya | I would ask in the ironic channel to begin | 15:03 |
anteaya | as they may have a current test setup that you could follow | 15:03 |
anteaya | does that sound reasonable? | 15:03 |
lennyb | I believe that it's related to rest client ( which is tempest ) and not ironic. Ironic supports min and max versions | 15:03 |
anteaya | do you think it is possible that ironic also might be running tempest tests? | 15:04 |
devananda | lennyb: I'm curious, what is it you're trying to test by sending x-openstack-ironic-api-version 1.17? | 15:05 |
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lennyb | ironic has tempest plugin, I am running it, but it uses minimal rest version. I wander if I can set it manually. I will definitely ask them ( again ). | 15:05 |
lennyb | devananda: where can I define it? | 15:06 |
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anteaya | lennyb: okay if you have asked them and you don't get a reply then do let us know | 15:06 |
anteaya | it is possible that devananda is not online at present | 15:06 |
lennyb | devananda: I can hardcode it in the ironic versions file, but I want to do it dynamically | 15:06 |
anteaya | I'd suggest taking the question to the channel for a discussion there | 15:06 |
lennyb | anteaya: ok, thanks | 15:07 |
anteaya | thank you | 15:07 |
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anteaya | oh here is devananda, sorry my client missed his input at first | 15:08 |
devananda | anteaya: hi :) | 15:08 |
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anteaya | so do we want to continue discussing this here? | 15:08 |
anteaya | I'm fine if we do | 15:08 |
anteaya | devananda: hi there | 15:09 |
devananda | lennyb, anteaya: the current Ironic API version is 1.16. So while this is an interesting question, I do not see how testing ironic with an api version that is higher than trunk is related to third-party CI. | 15:09 |
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lennyb | devananda: I am running tests against an unmerged patch | 15:10 |
devananda | lennyb: ah | 15:10 |
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devananda | anteaya: is that ^ normally the purpose of third-party CI? | 15:10 |
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lennyb | jroll is working on this #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260358/ | 15:11 |
anteaya | well running tests on a patch that gerrit knows about before it is merged to master if fine as far as I am concerned | 15:11 |
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devananda | ok | 15:11 |
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anteaya | as that is the same scenario as infra testing | 15:11 |
anteaya | and actually is our preferred course of action | 15:11 |
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anteaya | lennyb: so this is a question about testing a specific patch? | 15:12 |
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jroll | to be clear, I'm not working on that, the ironic team is :) | 15:12 |
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anteaya | jroll: thank you, yes didn't see you as the author/owner of that patch | 15:12 |
anteaya | lennyb: are you asking about how to test a specific patch? | 15:13 |
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lennyb | anteaya: this is a question regarding use of tempest and API version ( specific for ironic ). | 15:13 |
anteaya | devananda jroll do you want to continue here or move the discussion to your channel? | 15:14 |
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lennyb | jroll: sorry, for missing this detail :) | 15:14 |
jroll | anteaya: I'm not sure what more there is to discuss :) | 15:14 |
anteaya | I'm feeling this is specific to ironic | 15:14 |
anteaya | jroll: okay | 15:14 |
jroll | yes, I agree with that | 15:14 |
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anteaya | lennyb: do you have the answer you need? | 15:14 |
lennyb | yeap/ | 15:14 |
anteaya | okay good | 15:14 |
anteaya | does anyone object to moving on to a new topic? | 15:14 |
anteaya | okay moving on | 15:15 |
anteaya | I have a question | 15:15 |
anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-March/004031.html | 15:15 |
anteaya | so this email talked about disabling an account | 15:15 |
anteaya | mmedvede: you posted a reply | 15:15 |
mmedvede | anteaya: I have responded | 15:15 |
mmedvede | yes | 15:15 |
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anteaya | is the person asking for their system to be disabled the account owner? | 15:15 |
mmedvede | #link #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-March/004033.html | 15:15 |
anteaya | mmedvede: thanks for replying :) | 15:16 |
mmedvede | anteaya: I am not sure, I think they did inherit the CI | 15:16 |
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anteaya | ah | 15:16 |
anteaya | and they can't turn it off from their end? | 15:16 |
mmedvede | so I suggested to flush public ssh keys if they have access to the account | 15:16 |
mmedvede | anteaya: to me it looks like there might be a zuul server that they do not have access too | 15:17 |
mmedvede | *to | 15:17 |
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anteaya | but the zuul server is on their end | 15:17 |
mmedvede | yes | 15:17 |
anteaya | okay great | 15:17 |
anteaya | this was very confusing for me | 15:17 |
anteaya | thanks for your help to sort this out | 15:17 |
anteaya | okay I will request the account be disabled | 15:18 |
anteaya | thanks for helping to figure out what is going on here | 15:18 |
anteaya | I appreciate it :) | 15:18 |
anteaya | does anyone have a next topic? | 15:18 |
anteaya | does anyone object to me closing the meeting? | 15:18 |
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anteaya | thanks everyone for your kind attendance and participation today | 15:19 |
mmedvede | anteaya: thank you | 15:19 |
anteaya | enjoy the rest of the day/evening | 15:19 |
anteaya | see you next week | 15:19 |
anteaya | mmedvede: :) | 15:19 |
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anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:19 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 21 15:19:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:19 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-21-15.00.html | 15:19 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-21-15.00.txt | 15:19 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-21-15.00.log.html | 15:19 |
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rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 21 16:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
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rakhmerov | hi, has anybody joined? | 16:01 |
NikolayM | hi everyone! | 16:01 |
rakhmerov | NikolayM: hi | 16:01 |
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ddeja | hello | 16:02 |
rakhmerov | hey | 16:02 |
rakhmerov | let's wait for 2 mins | 16:02 |
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rakhmerov | I guess we can start | 16:04 |
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rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:04 |
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rakhmerov | there were 2 AIs and one of them isn't going to be addressed soon (split team meeting into 2), the second is done but need to check with rbrady | 16:05 |
rakhmerov | #topic Current Status (by team member) | 16:05 |
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rakhmerov | my status: I've been reviewing patches as usually and got back to fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1524477 | 16:06 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1524477 in Mistral "After-task logic runs multiple times if tasks run in parallel" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Renat Akhmerov (rakhmerov) | 16:06 |
rakhmerov | also has a useful meeting with Winson where we discussed how we should make our DB transactions shorter and improve overall performance and locking problem | 16:07 |
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rakhmerov | I left my comment in that same ticket | 16:07 |
rakhmerov | anything new from you guys? | 16:07 |
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ddeja | rakhmerov: nothing from my side | 16:09 |
NikolayM | my status: reviewing patches | 16:09 |
rakhmerov | ddeja: ok, btw we finally merged Nikolay's patch to fix that annoying problem | 16:09 |
rakhmerov | waiting for HA gate to have more tests | 16:09 |
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ddeja | rakhmerov: yup, I saw this. I'm very greatfull that you manage to do it in Mitaka :) | 16:10 |
rakhmerov | that change will be in Mitaka | 16:10 |
rakhmerov | no problem | 16:10 |
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rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:11 |
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rakhmerov | ok, I don't have anything else for today ) | 16:11 |
ddeja | rakhmerov: Today I saw how kolla manage their meetings - they have similar problem (not everybody can join), so they just have different time bi-weekly. Maybe this would work for you guys? | 16:12 |
rakhmerov | ddeja: yeah, that's a nice idea | 16:12 |
rakhmerov | you mean we could just add one more time slot and every week take a different time slot? | 16:13 |
rakhmerov | choose between two | 16:13 |
ddeja | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla | 16:13 |
ddeja | rakhmerov: yes, that's what I meant | 16:13 |
rakhmerov | nice! | 16:13 |
rakhmerov | I like that | 16:13 |
rakhmerov | I'll send out to the ML asap | 16:14 |
rakhmerov | thanks a lot | 16:14 |
ddeja | no problem :) | 16:14 |
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rakhmerov | ok, I'll just talk to North America folks first to see what would best work for them | 16:14 |
rakhmerov | any other questions? | 16:15 |
ddeja | I'm done | 16:15 |
rakhmerov | ddeja: what are you up to with Mistral? | 16:15 |
ddeja | rakhmerov: right know just using | 16:15 |
ddeja | now* | 16:16 |
rakhmerov | ok :) | 16:16 |
rakhmerov | are you going to the summit? | 16:16 |
ddeja | 99,999% yes | 16:16 |
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ddeja | bugdet for travel is not fully approved, but since I have one presentation to give | 16:17 |
ddeja | It's nearly sure that I'll go | 16:17 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:18 |
rakhmerov | as far as myself, it's not clear yet | 16:18 |
rakhmerov | 50/50 | 16:18 |
ddeja | and BTW, I'm finishing demo of "how to use Mistral for automatic evacuate" | 16:18 |
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ddeja | demo == short youtube clip | 16:18 |
rakhmerov | awesome, please share once you finish (if it's not for internal purposes) | 16:18 |
rakhmerov | ok, let's end the meeting | 16:19 |
ddeja | ok | 16:19 |
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rakhmerov | we need to solve time slot problem asap so that we have more people on meetings ) | 16:19 |
rakhmerov | thanks for joining guys | 16:19 |
ddeja | thanks | 16:20 |
rakhmerov | bye | 16:20 |
rbrady | bye | 16:20 |
ddeja | cya | 16:20 |
rakhmerov | rbrady: hey! Do you know have needed access? | 16:20 |
rakhmerov | I didn't know you were here.. | 16:20 |
rakhmerov | ..now.. | 16:20 |
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NikolayM | bye! | 16:21 |
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rbrady | rakhmerov: my view on the blueprint hasn't changed | 16:21 |
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rakhmerov | you were going to leave comments | 16:21 |
rbrady | rakhmerov: I'll add a comment somewhere though | 16:21 |
rakhmerov | I just want to make sure you can do it | 16:21 |
rakhmerov | yeah | 16:21 |
rbrady | rakhmerov: I'll be at summit too | 16:21 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:21 |
rakhmerov | are you going to visit our sessions? | 16:22 |
rbrady | rakhmerov: of course! | 16:22 |
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rakhmerov | rbrady: cool :) I'll do my best to be there too but it's not clear on 100% now | 16:22 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:22 |
rakhmerov | rbrady: please let me know if you still need assistance with access or something | 16:23 |
rbrady | rakhmerov: ack | 16:23 |
rakhmerov | we can continue in our channel, if needed | 16:23 |
rakhmerov | ok, bye for now | 16:23 |
rbrady | rakhmerov: ack | 16:23 |
rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:23 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 21 16:23:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:23 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-03-21-16.00.html | 16:23 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-03-21-16.00.txt | 16:23 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-03-21-16.00.log.html | 16:23 |
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matjazp | hi all | 17:02 |
matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 21 17:02:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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ianychoi | matjazp, hi :) | 17:02 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:02 |
matjazp | hey ianychoi | 17:02 |
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matjazp | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 17:02 |
matjazp | standard agenda | 17:02 |
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matjazp | #topic review of last meeting action items | 17:03 |
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matjazp | everything looks ok here | 17:03 |
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ianychoi | Yep... :) | 17:03 |
matjazp | moving on | 17:04 |
ianychoi | okay | 17:04 |
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matjazp | #topic upstream training | 17:04 |
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matjazp | there will be 2 days upstream training in austin | 17:04 |
ianychoi | Aha, did you talk with tim freund? | 17:04 |
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matjazp | it is announced on the official openstack news page | 17:05 |
ianychoi | I see, thanks! | 17:05 |
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matjazp | damn, I forgot to save the linkđ | 17:06 |
matjazp | linkđ = link | 17:06 |
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matjazp | we need to scan the material and enter any bugs (if spmething needs an update) | 17:07 |
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ianychoi | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/upstream-university-openstack-summit-austin-tickets-22669105906 | 17:07 |
ianychoi | This? | 17:07 |
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matjazp | this is ok too - I saw a different "press" release material somewhere | 17:08 |
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ianychoi | Okay :) | 17:08 |
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matjazp | #action matjazp contacts tim to see if anything regarding the upstream material needs to change | 17:08 |
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ianychoi | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/8970 | 17:09 |
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matjazp | yes, I think this was it, thanks! | 17:10 |
ianychoi | :) | 17:11 |
matjazp | hmm.. but here Marton is listed as a lead, not Tim | 17:12 |
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matjazp | I will look into it | 17:12 |
ianychoi | Let's ask for both of them :) | 17:12 |
ianychoi | Okay, thanks | 17:12 |
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ianychoi | I am planning to go to Austin, but it may be just on Thursday and Friday. | 17:13 |
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ianychoi | I think I may help upstream training next time.. | 17:13 |
matjazp | #action matjazp contacts Marton Kiss to see if anything regarding the upstream material needs to change (based on the profile on the Summit page) | 17:13 |
matjazp | ianychoi: I'm still not sure if I will be there | 17:14 |
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ianychoi | That's fine. May see you on the next Summit :) | 17:14 |
matjazp | it's the middle of the semester here | 17:14 |
matjazp | sure, I look forward to it! :) | 17:15 |
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matjazp | moving on? | 17:15 |
ianychoi | Yep :) | 17:15 |
matjazp | #topic training guides | 17:15 |
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matjazp | I saw your WIP | 17:15 |
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matjazp | I'll look into adding CLI slides | 17:15 |
ianychoi | Wow, good :) | 17:16 |
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matjazp | do you want to comment on your WIP review? Or do I wait for you to remove the WIP status? | 17:16 |
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ianychoi | How about the title? "Start a new VM with Horizon" vs. "Using dashboard", ...? | 17:17 |
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matjazp | Both are fine. | 17:17 |
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ianychoi | I always welcome your comment :) | 17:18 |
matjazp | Using dashboard is parhaps a bit to ambigous | 17:18 |
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matjazp | parhaps=perhaps | 17:18 |
matjazp | but anyway, nice work Ian! | 17:18 |
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ianychoi | Okay :) | 17:19 |
matjazp | You can also look at the User guide, they have a nice section about this | 17:19 |
ianychoi | I think the next chapter would be keystone, nova, neutron, and horizon. | 17:19 |
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ianychoi | So now I chose "using Horizon" for my working review, but I will think again :) | 17:20 |
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matjazp | We can easily chang that leater | 17:21 |
matjazp | later | 17:21 |
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matjazp | #topic matjazp looks into adding a few slides about using the OpenStack via CLI | 17:22 |
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matjazp | damn | 17:22 |
ianychoi | Okay :) | 17:22 |
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ianychoi | :) | 17:22 |
matjazp | #topic training guides | 17:22 |
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matjazp | #action matjazp looks into adding a few slides about using the OpenStack via CLI | 17:22 |
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matjazp | moving on? | 17:23 |
ianychoi | Sure! | 17:23 |
matjazp | #topic aob | 17:23 |
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matjazp | anything we need to discuss? | 17:24 |
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ianychoi | I have one question: do we need to meet our release schedule with OpenStack releases? (e.g., Mitaka, Newton, RC1, ..) | 17:25 |
matjazp | no, we publish continuously | 17:26 |
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matjazp | so it's not like Install guide | 17:27 |
ianychoi | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/openstack-manuals | 17:27 |
ianychoi | I am asking it because I have seen the link and it includes training-guide | 17:27 |
matjazp | Oh.. you mean for release notes? | 17:27 |
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matjazp | yes, I'll send some summary for the release notes about training guides | 17:28 |
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matjazp | but we don't use releases for the material | 17:28 |
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ianychoi | I see :) | 17:29 |
matjazp | we just publish continuously | 17:29 |
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ianychoi | Yep I agree that trainings do not need exact version | 17:29 |
matjazp | we just need to stay current enough | 17:30 |
ianychoi | Yep, that's all from my question :) | 17:30 |
matjazp | ok, thanks for asking. Should we wrap it up for tonight? | 17:31 |
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ianychoi | You can wrap it up :) | 17:31 |
matjazp | ianychoi, thank you for your time. Always a pleasure to talk to you. | 17:31 |
matjazp | bye | 17:31 |
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ianychoi | Bye :) | 17:32 |
ianychoi | Thank you so much, matjazp ! | 17:32 |
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matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:32 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 21 17:32:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:32 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-03-21-17.02.html | 17:32 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-03-21-17.02.txt | 17:32 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-03-21-17.02.log.html | 17:32 |
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markmcclain | #startmeeting astara | 18:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 21 18:02:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'astara' | 18:02 |
markmcclain | elo, rods: ping | 18:02 |
elo | pong | 18:03 |
markmcclain | I'm filling in today since adam_g and ryanpetrello are both off today | 18:03 |
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markmcclain | #topic Mitaka Release | 18:04 |
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elo | ok | 18:04 |
markmcclain | #link https://launchpad.net/astara/+milestone/mitaka-rc1 | 18:04 |
markmcclain | we're waiting on one change to merge and should be good to tag the release | 18:05 |
markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 18:05 |
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elo | good to know. | 18:05 |
phil_h | cool | 18:05 |
markmcclain | Any critical bugs to discuss? | 18:05 |
elo | not that i'm aware of at this point | 18:06 |
phil_h | not here | 18:06 |
markmcclain | Ok we'll be on the lookout for bugs once the RC is tagged | 18:06 |
markmcclain | if any are found please let adam_g know | 18:07 |
markmcclain | #topic Newton | 18:07 |
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markmcclain | #info ryanpetrello to be PTL in Newtron | 18:07 |
markmcclain | #info Thanks to adam_g for this hard work as PTL in Liberty & Mitaka | 18:07 |
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markmcclain | It's hard working being PTL so thankful both of them have stepped up and help lead this project. | 18:08 |
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elo | many thanks to Adam and to Ryan | 18:10 |
phil_h | yes | 18:10 |
markmcclain | ryanpetrello has pre-planned time-off scheduled, so the adam_g and I will be helping until he returns in late April. | 18:10 |
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markmcclain | Once mitaka is finalized we'll start talking more about Newton and summit preparations. | 18:11 |
markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 18:11 |
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markmcclain | Ok we'll keep things short since it's an RC week. Thanks to everyone who contributed to the Mitaka release. It's exciting to see the new docs and features we've all built. | 18:13 |
markmcclain | Talk to everyone online | 18:14 |
markmcclain | #endmeeting | 18:14 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 21 18:14:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:14 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-03-21-18.02.html | 18:14 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-03-21-18.02.txt | 18:14 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-03-21-18.02.log.html | 18:14 |
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armax | hello | 20:58 |
hichihara | hi | 20:59 |
johnsom | Hi there | 20:59 |
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dasm | hey | 20:59 |
Swami | hi | 20:59 |
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mlavalle | hello | 20:59 |
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janzian | Hello | 21:00 |
yamahata | hello | 21:00 |
haleyb | hi | 21:00 |
armax | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 21 21:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
armax | let’s see how sleepy we are today | 21:00 |
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armax | it’s the beginning of spring | 21:00 |
ihrachys | o/ | 21:00 |
johnsom | On the dot | 21:00 |
xgerman | o/ | 21:00 |
boden | o/ | 21:00 |
njohnston | o/ | 21:01 |
Sukhdev | hello | 21:01 |
pc_m | o/ | 21:01 |
mlavalle | armax: a chilly beginning of spring in Texas. It was 38 this morning in San Antonio | 21:01 |
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armax | mlavalle: it’s rainy and cold in this part of the world too | 21:01 |
xgerman | mlavalle glad you are still in San Antonio and not Houston | 21:02 |
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xgerman | San Diego is nice as always :-) | 21:02 |
njohnston | everybody's glad they're not in Houston. | 21:02 |
xgerman | +1 | 21:02 |
salv-orlando | aloha | 21:02 |
armax | let’s dive in so that we can all go back and hibernate | 21:02 |
anteaya | I'm glad I'm not in Houston | 21:02 |
amotoki | hi | 21:02 |
armax | #topic Announcements | 21:03 |
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armax | We have an RC1 and we’re working towards an RC2 | 21:03 |
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mestery | o/ | 21:03 |
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armax | please test the release and for any issue that you find, file a bug report and tag it with mitaka-rc-potential | 21:04 |
armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs/?field.tag=mitaka-rc-potential | 21:04 |
armax | right now we look RC bug free | 21:04 |
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armax | we’ll pull the trigger on RC2 in the next day or so | 21:04 |
anteaya | if you are rc bug free why do you need an rc2? | 21:05 |
armax | if no other bugs are found, this would be our Mitaka release | 21:05 |
armax | anteaya: we had bugs targeting RC2 that were fixed post-rc1 | 21:05 |
anteaya | ah thanks | 21:05 |
armax | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089701.html | 21:06 |
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armax | this is the reminder email from the release team | 21:06 |
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armax | the deadline for release candidates is Mar 28 | 21:06 |
armax | having said that, Newton is open for business | 21:07 |
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armax | before we dive into it though, please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286413/ to make sure we haven’t misrepresented anything | 21:08 |
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armax | I’d like to get that merged before we can open up the specs repo for Netwon efforts | 21:08 |
armax | this actually brings me to the next point, which is: bump all targeted specs to the newton directory | 21:09 |
armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-specs,n,z | 21:09 |
anteaya | nice idea on the post mortem | 21:10 |
armax | thanks | 21:10 |
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armax | The summit is a little over a month from now | 21:11 |
armax | I have sent out an email to ask for design summit ideas | 21:12 |
armax | please collect your thoughts on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas | 21:12 |
armax | we’ll keep the design format similar to last year | 21:12 |
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armax | and I’ll work with the drivers team to put together an agenda once we have enough feedback | 21:12 |
anteaya | is someone looking at other project etherpads for adding neutron sessions were appropriate? | 21:13 |
anteaya | I know nova's etherpad has a neutron section | 21:13 |
dougwig | anteaya: do you happen to have a link handy? | 21:13 |
armax | I looked at the nova etherpad | 21:13 |
armax | dougwig: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas | 21:13 |
anteaya | awesome thanks | 21:14 |
anteaya | :) | 21:14 |
hichihara | When is dead line for the ideas? | 21:14 |
anteaya | I don't know if cinder and keystone and such have their planning etherpads up yet | 21:14 |
anteaya | hichihara: depends on the project | 21:14 |
armax | hichihara: no deadline per se, but we’d want to finalize the schedule in the next couple of weeks | 21:14 |
Sukhdev | armax : I added couple of ideas to the etherpad | 21:14 |
hichihara | Thanks | 21:14 |
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anteaya | there is a deadline from ttx and thingee to have them up for everyone, but every project does it a bit differently | 21:15 |
armax | hichihara: as soon as I learn more from ttx and thingee will inform the team | 21:15 |
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armax | typically the deadline is hinted by when the summit webside is online and we can start filling in the sessions | 21:16 |
Sukhdev | armax : We are looking to setup a joint session for Ironic/Nova/Neutron for Vlan Aware VMs for baremetal deployments | 21:16 |
armax | Sukhdev: ack | 21:16 |
armax | Sukhdev: knowing that we don’t even have an implementation for virtual trunking…I can’t help myself but giggle a little | 21:17 |
armax | Sukhdev: but yes, I think we’d want to start that conversation | 21:17 |
amuller | We probably want to continue the tradition of the bi yearly Friday vlan aware VMs meetup | 21:17 |
Sukhdev | armax : ha ha - but, sooner we sync up sooner we will make sure we do not drift apart in implementation | 21:17 |
amotoki | Sukhdev: only for vlan aware VMs? the joint session sounds helpful. it can cover various topics around ironic/neutron/nova | 21:18 |
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Sukhdev | amotoki : +1 | 21:18 |
armax | Sukhdev: yes, we’d want to confirm the model is sound across all the flavors of provisioning we can come up with | 21:18 |
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armax | Sukhdev: we should probably drop the VMs from the title as Apple dropped Computer back in the days | 21:19 |
armax | but I digress | 21:19 |
Sukhdev | armax : +1 on both counts :-) | 21:19 |
armax | I hope this cycle is the cycle where we can get closure on vlan trunking | 21:19 |
Sukhdev | Vlan aware servers | 21:19 |
armax | but we’ll get to that | 21:20 |
Sukhdev | I thought some of the implementation is already underway from the neutron side | 21:20 |
armax | in fact, in the next few days I suggest anyone who’s got backlog items to make sure they get ready into shape by Newton-1 | 21:20 |
armax | Sukhdev: we got some patches up for review but nothing has merged yet except the spec | 21:21 |
armax | which we’ll have to be reproposed for Newton | 21:21 |
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Sukhdev | armax : there are few patches on Ironic side as well - and they are fairly apart from each other - hence, we should have joint session so that we can coverge | 21:21 |
armax | I’ll set up our next team meeting to go over the blueprints/rfe that didn’t make Mitaka | 21:22 |
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armax | any other reminder/announcement from the team? | 21:22 |
armax | ok | 21:24 |
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armax | #topic bugs | 21:24 |
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armax | this past week we had hichihara as our deputy | 21:25 |
hichihara | Yeah | 21:25 |
hichihara | I have saw new 6 Critical bugs and some High bugs with mitaka-rc-potential. | 21:25 |
armax | hichihara: thanks for volunteering, is there anything you’d like raise? | 21:25 |
hichihara | The critical bugs were finished now. | 21:25 |
hichihara | and also all bugs with mitaka-rc-potential have been finished. | 21:25 |
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hichihara | That's all :) | 21:25 |
armax | yup, there’s more with the backport-potential tag | 21:26 |
hichihara | yes | 21:26 |
hichihara | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=mitaka-backport-potential | 21:26 |
armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs/?field.tag=mitaka-backport-potential | 21:26 |
hichihara | oh...sorry duplicate ;) | 21:26 |
Sukhdev | ihrachys : can i bring up one bug which is in Mitaka RC-1, but is hitting kilo as well | 21:26 |
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armax | there are probably not release critical but worth a quick land to stable if we manage to nail fixes in master | 21:26 |
ihrachys | Sukhdev: ? | 21:26 |
Sukhdev | ihrachys : and it is not back ported yet | 21:26 |
armax | Sukhdev: link? | 21:27 |
Sukhdev | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1551542 | 21:27 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1551542 in neutron "need to check if a plugin's start rpc listeners is supported before trying to start it" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Brandon Logan (brandon-logan) | 21:27 |
Sukhdev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286384/ | 21:27 |
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Sukhdev | This is in RC-1, but, Mirantis distros are hitting in Mirantis release 7.0 - which is Kilo | 21:27 |
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amotoki | Sukhdev: i think it is backport-able, but kilo stable update has different schedule | 21:28 |
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ihrachys | Sukhdev: ok, what stops us from backporting? | 21:28 |
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ihrachys | Sukhdev: note that kilo will be soon closed after mitaka releases | 21:29 |
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Sukhdev | ihrachys : nothing, really :-) | 21:29 |
armax | I thought kilo is security fixes only | 21:29 |
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xgerman | +1 | 21:29 |
amotoki | IIRC security fix or critical fix | 21:29 |
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ihrachys | armax: and high impact stuff. so it depends on bug details. | 21:29 |
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Sukhdev | ihrachys : I was hoping some Mirantis guys will jump in :-) | 21:29 |
armax | ihrachys: ack | 21:29 |
armax | ihrachys: this doesn’t look critical to me | 21:30 |
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ihrachys | honestly, does not seem high impact. but let's just discuss in gerrit. | 21:30 |
armax | yup | 21:30 |
ihrachys | Mirantis can always backport into their MOS or however they call it | 21:30 |
armax | thanks Sukhdev for raising the issue | 21:30 |
Sukhdev | armax: The base class is changed - and fails many plugins to even initialize - so, figure the criticality | 21:30 |
armax | Sukhdev: but how is it possible that’s being broken for 3 releases? | 21:31 |
Sukhdev | armax : good question - even I was scraching my head when customers reported it :-) | 21:31 |
armax | Sukhdev: maybe the issue has been misrepresented, that said, at this point let’s get eyes on this | 21:31 |
Sukhdev | armax : agree | 21:32 |
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amotoki | IIRC it is reported as an error, but most plugins succeed to start | 21:32 |
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armax | apart for this, we need a new volunteer for next week | 21:32 |
armax | any takers? | 21:33 |
amotoki | i can volunteer | 21:33 |
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amotoki | is it for this week? | 21:34 |
armax | thanks amotoki | 21:34 |
armax | #action amotoki bug deputy for week of Mar 28 | 21:34 |
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hichihara | Who is bug deputy in this week? | 21:34 |
amotoki | we don't see any bug duputy for this week | 21:34 |
armax | hichihara: you’re right | 21:35 |
armax | hichihara: I overlooked | 21:35 |
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armax | hichihara: any other taker? if not, I’ll fill in | 21:35 |
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HenryG | I can do this week. | 21:36 |
armax | HenryG: attaboy | 21:36 |
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armax | #action HenryG deputy for the week of Mar 21 | 21:36 |
armax | thanks HenryG | 21:36 |
HenryG | Everyone take a week off. :D | 21:36 |
amotoki | I would like to raise https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1430003 | 21:36 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1430003 in neutron "Corrupt POSTROUTING Chain when using Metering and VPN agents together" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Yi Jing Zhu (nick-zhuyj) | 21:36 |
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amotoki | it seems metering-agent and vpn-agent cannot be used | 21:37 |
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amotoki | we don't have a fix for this, but it is worth mentioned in our release note | 21:37 |
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amotoki | the order of iptables chains is randomely swapped... and it leads to unexpected behavior. | 21:38 |
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armax | if this issue is there since icehouse…oh boy | 21:39 |
amotoki | I found this last week :( | 21:40 |
armax | that’s even worse than the kilo issue that Sukhdev raised | 21:40 |
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xgerman | iptables need some serious redesign we also run into issues from the FWaaS side | 21:40 |
Sukhdev | combination of two services - probably never were tested together :-) | 21:40 |
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armax | Sukhdev: yup | 21:40 |
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ihrachys | not the most popular services | 21:41 |
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xgerman | yeah, and iptables/chains don’t have a good plugin model | 21:41 |
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armax | do we even have expertise in the metering agent anymore? | 21:41 |
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armax | I have got the impression that’s a limb we’re waiting to cut off | 21:41 |
amotoki | yeah... it might be better to apply iptables rules from one agent... | 21:42 |
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amotoki | armax: i feel the same. | 21:42 |
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armax | this is the usual dilemma, if we don’t have enough people who care about the quality of a piece of the puzzle… | 21:42 |
ihrachys | well, I see some interest in it expressed on ops@, so it's not like we can easily drop it with no complains | 21:43 |
armax | ihrachys: I was not going to drop it willy nilly | 21:43 |
jamespd | we really wanted to use the metering agent | 21:43 |
armax | ihrachys: but if we have no-one maintaining it, then we can’t ship something that’s broken eitehr | 21:43 |
jamespd | but it made us miserable, so we ended up dropping it for custom metering outside openstack. | 21:44 |
amotoki | at least we need to mention this in 'known issues' to avoid more people try this in the initial mitaka. | 21:44 |
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xgerman | +1 | 21:44 |
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hichihara | amotoki: +1 | 21:44 |
haleyb | they shouldn't step on each other since there is a lock, but there is no way for the agents to know the order each prefers it's rules in (i'm guessing that is the issue) | 21:44 |
xgerman | yep, hence my comment for a sane plugin model | 21:44 |
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armax | amotoki: can you file a release note? I’ll make sure we include it in rc2 | 21:45 |
xgerman | hinting at a bigger neutron problem | 21:45 |
amotoki | armax: sure | 21:45 |
armax | amotoki: thanks | 21:45 |
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armax | I actually wondering why the metering agent needs to fiddle with iptables | 21:45 |
armax | but that tells the amount of knowledge that I have on the metering piece | 21:46 |
haleyb | armax: packet/byte counts | 21:46 |
jamespd | armax: it counts traffic via iptables counters. | 21:46 |
ihrachys | xgerman: neither we have any proper plugin point for ovs flows. it's quite a common issue throughout components. | 21:46 |
amotoki | metering agent needs to setup iptables rule to count traffic per iptables granurality | 21:46 |
armax | right, but that’s pretty invasive | 21:46 |
amotoki | yes | 21:47 |
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xgerman | ihrachys yep hence my desire for a better way... | 21:47 |
amotoki | we mihgt need to explore a different approach for iptables | 21:47 |
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amotoki | It is tricky two components touch iptables.... | 21:48 |
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haleyb | armax: enovance did most of the work, based on the nova-network path done by myself, so blame it on me :) but i think Yi might have an easy fix | 21:48 |
armax | haleyb: ack | 21:49 |
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armax | ok, moving on | 21:49 |
haleyb | i will watch the bug | 21:49 |
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armax | Sam-I-Am couldn’t make the meeting | 21:49 |
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armax | so we’ll skip the doc section | 21:49 |
armax | but let me remind folks | 21:49 |
armax | to make sure documentation is not neglected | 21:50 |
armax | we currently have 16 open bugs against docs | 21:50 |
armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=doc | 21:50 |
armax | let make sure we squash these in time for the release | 21:51 |
armax | we got another two weeks | 21:51 |
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kevinbenton | Sukhdev: i think that bug you highlighted is because MOS back-ported an RPC listener fix that wasn't back-ported upstream | 21:51 |
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kevinbenton | Sukhdev: i.e. it's mainly a MOS bug if i understand correctly | 21:52 |
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Sukhdev | kevinbenton : Thanks for clarifying it for me | 21:52 |
armax | Sukhdev: so we good? | 21:52 |
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Sukhdev | kevinbenton : our joint customer is facing this issue - what do you suggest is the best way to address it? | 21:53 |
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Sukhdev | armax : yes, looks like now I am in good hands :-);-) | 21:53 |
kevinbenton | Sukhdev: file a bug against mirantis openstack | 21:53 |
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armax | Sukhdev: kevinbenton has very good hands | 21:53 |
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hichihara | armax: They are devref only. I guess that we have more doc bugs in openstack-manual and api-site | 21:53 |
kevinbenton | Sukhdev: https://launchpad.net/~mos-neutron | 21:53 |
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Sukhdev | kevinbenton : Thanks | 21:54 |
armax | hichihara: true | 21:54 |
armax | ok folks, 5 more minutes, if there isn’t anything burning, I’d give you them back | 21:54 |
armax | oh and by the way…it looks like you guys are stuck with me for another cycle | 21:54 |
kevinbenton | :'( | 21:55 |
mlavalle | LOL | 21:55 |
armax | you lost your chance to oust me | 21:55 |
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salv-orlando | armax: why would we? | 21:55 |
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armax | salv-orlando: dunno, you tell me? | 21:55 |
armax | bye! | 21:56 |
armax | #endmeeting | 21:56 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 21 21:56:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:56 |
mlavalle | bye | 21:56 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-03-21-21.00.html | 21:56 |
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salv-orlando | adieuuuuuuu | 21:56 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-03-21-21.00.txt | 21:56 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-03-21-21.00.log.html | 21:56 |
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hichihara | bye | 21:56 |
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amotoki | bye | 21:57 |
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xgerman | o/ | 21:58 |
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