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| andreykurilin__ | #startmeeting Rally | 14:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 25 14:04:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:04 |
| andreykurilin__ | hi folks | 14:04 |
| amaretskiy | hi | 14:05 |
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| andreykurilin__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin__ | agenda^ | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin__ | we have several items today:) | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin__ | let's wait a bit for more attendees | 14:06 |
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| ikhudoshyn | o/ | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin__ | hi | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin__ | ok, let's start | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin__ | #topic news | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "news (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:08 | |
| andreykurilin__ | At the last meeting I announced 0.4.0 release | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin__ | There was a change related to releasing new tags | 14:09 |
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| andreykurilin__ | But we finally released new version! | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin__ | so we can work on new release | 14:09 |
| rvasilets__ | hi | 14:10 |
| amaretskiy | great! | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin__ | I think it will be major release too | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin__ | as far as I know amaretskiy submitted a base class for Service entity | 14:10 |
| rvasilets__ | Sure because of services) | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309967 | 14:10 |
| amaretskiy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309967/ | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin__ | :) | 14:11 |
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| andreykurilin__ | it is high-priority patch | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin__ | please spend a bit of time and review it | 14:11 |
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| amaretskiy | ... and propose services based on this patch :) | 14:12 |
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| andreykurilin__ | sure:) | 14:12 |
| amaretskiy | my service is network | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin__ | let's move to the next topic | 14:12 |
| rvasilets__ | about priority agree will review soon | 14:12 |
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| andreykurilin__ | #topic [amaretskiy] Let's define what messages we always wrap with rally.commin.i18n._ and what we don't translate. It would be great to save this rule somewhere. | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[amaretskiy] Let's define what messages we always wrap with rally.commin.i18n._ and what we don't translate. It would be great to save this rule somewhere. (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:13 | |
| amaretskiy | i believe the question is clear | 14:13 |
| amaretskiy | ideas? | 14:13 |
| amaretskiy | my thought is that errors and user-related messages should be internationalized | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin__ | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.i18n/guidelines.html | 14:14 |
| amaretskiy | all log messages (debug, warnings. etc) - not | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin__ | Imo, we should accept this guideline ^ | 14:14 |
| amaretskiy | agree | 14:14 |
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| andreykurilin__ | all levels except debug should be translated | 14:14 |
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| andreykurilin__ | Also, it will be great, if we start translating reports ;) | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin__ | BUT we have an issue with translations now. | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin__ | it is not enabled now for Rally | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin__ | :( | 14:15 |
| amaretskiy | i think this should be confirmed by boris-42 | 14:16 |
| amaretskiy | if i'm not mistaken, he told that log messages should not be translated | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin__ | O_o | 14:16 |
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| amaretskiy | also, i see guidelines how to translate but not WHAT translate | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin__ | all log messages? | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin__ | amaretskiy: see Note for http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.i18n/guidelines.html#log-translation | 14:17 |
| amaretskiy | i'm not sure | 14:17 |
| andreykurilin__ | >Debug level log messages are not translated. | 14:17 |
| * redixin is trying to imagine user who understand log files but don't understand english | 14:18 | |
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| andreykurilin__ | :D | 14:18 |
| amaretskiy | but i think we should get confirmation from boris-42 | 14:18 |
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| andreykurilin__ | we should not be strict for these rules until we enable translations | 14:18 |
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| ikhudoshyn | anyway we'd better wait for boris-42 if we mention his opinion)) | 14:19 |
| amaretskiy | so what the conclusion? | 14:19 |
| amaretskiy | agreed with ikhudoshyn | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin__ | lets move all i18n discussions to the next release | 14:19 |
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| amaretskiy | to the next meeting ;) | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin__ | no | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin__ | to the next meeting:) | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin__ | *to the next release | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin__ | lol | 14:20 |
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| amaretskiy | so when will we discuss that ? | 14:21 |
| ikhudoshyn | yep we seem to busy nowadays -- next release sounds goog | 14:21 |
| ikhudoshyn | *good | 14:21 |
| andreykurilin__ | Imo, we have enough tasks for this release and we should not be strict for i18n until we enable it. It is not high priority feature, but let try to enable i18n during next release and define rules for it | 14:22 |
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| amaretskiy | ok, let's move this topic just forward | 14:23 |
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| andreykurilin__ | #topic * [amaretskiy] How to prevent unexpected changing of mutable data (for example context configuration)? | 14:23 |
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| andreykurilin__ | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307340/ FrozenDict looks good for first sign, however it (at least for now) does not prevent changing of nested data (http://paste.openstack.org/show/495134/) | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin__ | - copy.deepcopy() works fine but does not raise exceptions, which is also bad | 14:23 |
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| andreykurilin__ | amaretskiy? | 14:24 |
| amaretskiy | there is an idea to process given dict recursively and transfrom all dict's into FrozenDict | 14:24 |
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| amaretskiy | for example: FrozenDict({"foo": {"bar": {"spam": 42}}}) | 14:25 |
| amaretskiy | here we have 3 levels of nexting | 14:25 |
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| amaretskiy | *nesting | 14:25 |
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| amaretskiy | so there will be 3 FrozenDict instances | 14:25 |
| amaretskiy | any ideas? | 14:26 |
| amaretskiy | does this look fine? | 14:26 |
| amaretskiy | alternatives? | 14:26 |
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| ikhudoshyn | why deepcopy is not good for us? | 14:26 |
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| amaretskiy | because we want to have error raised | 14:27 |
| amaretskiy | if dict is changed | 14:27 |
| amaretskiy | this feature is requested by boris-42 | 14:27 |
| ikhudoshyn | do we? I thought we just want some isolation of context instances? | 14:27 |
| amaretskiy | the idea is not only isolation, but keeping context config unchanged | 14:28 |
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| redixin | this may help us to detect some hidden errors | 14:28 |
| rvasilets__ | Why not to use already implemented examples and see how they work? | 14:28 |
| amaretskiy | changing it in runtime is something wrong | 14:28 |
| andreykurilin__ | +1 to ikhudoshyn | 14:28 |
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| ikhudoshyn | well.. | 14:28 |
| amaretskiy | deepcopy simply solves bug but it does not prevent doing wrong approach | 14:29 |
| redixin | also frozenDict uses less memory lol | 14:29 |
| rvasilets__ | of cause we need frozenDict | 14:29 |
| ikhudoshyn | we actually can run in trouble if scenario changes context and EXPECTS that this change will persist | 14:30 |
| ikhudoshyn | in this case we DO need an exception here | 14:30 |
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| amaretskiy | ikhudoshyn: we have mechanism for that | 14:30 |
| rvasilets__ | instead of implementing bicycles with it's(frozenDict) prperties | 14:30 |
| ikhudoshyn | i guess i agree with nesting frozenDicts | 14:30 |
| amaretskiy | FrozenDict actually allows changes | 14:30 |
| amaretskiy | via explicit interface | 14:30 |
| amaretskiy | with frozendict_inst.unlocked(): do changes here | 14:31 |
| rvasilets__ | what unlock on frozenDict?) | 14:31 |
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| amaretskiy | context manager interface | 14:31 |
| amaretskiy | __enter__() | 14:31 |
| amaretskiy | __exit__() | 14:31 |
| amaretskiy | with frozen_dict.unlocked(): {here changes} | 14:32 |
| amaretskiy | unlocked() returns manager | 14:32 |
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| amaretskiy | so this is an explicit interface | 14:32 |
| amaretskiy | so it can be used | 14:32 |
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| amaretskiy | in some cases | 14:32 |
| amaretskiy | __exit__() locks th edict | 14:32 |
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| amaretskiy | ideas? confirmations? | 14:34 |
| rvasilets__ | __enter__() simple dict without lock or unlock __exit__() "lock" dict - frozenDict | 14:34 |
| rvasilets__ | ? | 14:34 |
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| rvasilets__ | In a lot of realizations they just pass simple dict to FrozenDict() and that is all | 14:35 |
| amaretskiy | rvasilets__: this context manager interface is already implemented - see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307340/ | 14:35 |
| rvasilets__ | then its locked forever | 14:35 |
| amaretskiy | What is not proposed is recursive processing | 14:35 |
| amaretskiy | the problem is that FrozenDict actually freezes only 1st level of dict | 14:36 |
| amaretskiy | for example: fd = FrozenDict({"foo": {"bar": {"spam": 42}}}) | 14:36 |
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| amaretskiy | fd[42] = 24 # have error! | 14:36 |
| amaretskiy | fd["foo"][42] = 24 # works! not locked!!!! | 14:37 |
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| amaretskiy | this can be fixed | 14:37 |
| amaretskiy | via recursive FrozenDict transformation | 14:37 |
| rvasilets__ | yes I wrote this case in comments itself | 14:38 |
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| amaretskiy | so fd["foo"] will be also FrozenDict, and the idea is that it will be another instance of FrozenDict | 14:38 |
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| amaretskiy | maybe there ar eanother ideas | 14:38 |
| ikhudoshyn | well recursive frozendicts look goot for the first view | 14:38 |
| amaretskiy | please propose ideas, thoughts, | 14:38 |
| amaretskiy | or maybe confirm my idea | 14:38 |
| rvasilets__ | And as we discussed with Boris | 14:39 |
| amaretskiy | alternative is having all data in single FrozenDict | 14:39 |
| ikhudoshyn | yet it can be rather tedious when we need to make a change on the, say, fourth level of nesting | 14:39 |
| rvasilets__ | This is how python works | 14:39 |
| rvasilets__ | He told me that its normal) | 14:39 |
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| andreykurilin__ | I think we can do transformation in getitem method | 14:39 |
| rvasilets__ | and gave me the lnk to reference tpe | 14:39 |
| rvasilets__ | *reference type | 14:39 |
| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin__: this would be weird | 14:40 |
| rvasilets__ | He told that for every python user this is normal and would be scary if we will get other behavior) | 14:40 |
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| amaretskiy | just to consider: if we have relatively simple FrozenDict class and just transfrom all dict->FrozenDict recursively, we will have this: | 14:41 |
| ikhudoshyn | rvasilets__: yep, reference types are soooo reference | 14:41 |
| rvasilets__ | The only idea is to iterate recursovaly | 14:41 |
| amaretskiy | with fd["foo"]["bar"]["spam"].unlocked(): do changes | 14:41 |
| rvasilets__ | nothing else | 14:41 |
| ikhudoshyn | amaretskiy: +1 | 14:41 |
| amaretskiy | but with complex class, we will have this: | 14:41 |
| ikhudoshyn | amaretskiy: great, I missed that | 14:41 |
| ikhudoshyn | I'm completely +2 for recursive frozendicts | 14:42 |
| amaretskiy | with fd.unlocked(): changes in fd["foo"]["bar"]["spam"] | 14:42 |
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| ikhudoshyn | ^^^ that looks wrong | 14:42 |
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| amaretskiy | personally I like approach with simple FrozenDict - it is simple :) | 14:43 |
| rvasilets__ | with fd["foo"]["bar"]["spam"].unlocked(): do changes -->> This would be not the frozen actually already if we will get such possibility( | 14:43 |
| amaretskiy | #vote for interface with fd["foo"]["bar"]["spam"].unlocked(): do changes | 14:43 |
| andreykurilin__ | Do we ever need unlock mechanism at all? | 14:44 |
| rvasilets__ | I don't undestand fo what I should vote what is the quastion? | 14:44 |
| rvasilets__ | 4 PM <andreykurilin__> Do we ever need unlock mechanism at all? | 14:44 |
| rvasilets__ | +1111 | 14:44 |
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| amaretskiy | andreykurilin__: 1) this is requested by boris-42 and 2) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306489/4/rally/plugins/openstack/context/api_versions.py | 14:44 |
| andreykurilin__ | 2) it should be fixed ;) | 14:45 |
| rvasilets__ | the code is changable | 14:45 |
| rvasilets__ | and with boris-42 we could discuss | 14:45 |
| rvasilets__ | so do we need? | 14:45 |
| amaretskiy | rvasilets__: with fd["foo"]["bar"]["spam"].unlocked(): do changes <---- vs. ---> with fd.unlocked(): changes in fd["foo"]["bar"]["spam"] <--- vs. --> another idea | 14:45 |
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| rvasilets__ | Dowe need such ability if think without boris? | 14:46 |
| amaretskiy | ... <--- vs. ----> deepcopy() | 14:46 |
| andreykurilin__ | amaretskiy: Imo, if we say that config should not be edited, we should not provide mechanism to do it | 14:46 |
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| andreykurilin__ | I think, api_version config should use self.context["api_version"] | 14:47 |
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| andreykurilin__ | *api_versions context should ... | 14:47 |
| amaretskiy | andreykurilin__: the idea is lock dict for updates, but have an explicit interface to do changes if we really need them | 14:47 |
| andreykurilin__ | I see no cases when we really need to change it | 14:48 |
| andreykurilin__ | we have only one place, which looks like wrong usage:) | 14:48 |
| rvasilets__ | " an explicit interface to do changes if we really need them" ->> real frozen dict can't be unlocked | 14:48 |
| rvasilets__ | and don't have such interface | 14:48 |
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| amaretskiy | let's imagine we do not allow editing the dict | 14:49 |
| rvasilets__ | I'm fully agree with andreykurilin__ now | 14:49 |
| amaretskiy | the topic is about another problem | 14:49 |
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| andreykurilin__ | :) | 14:49 |
| amaretskiy | it is about how to prevent changes by reference | 14:49 |
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| andreykurilin__ | so I'm ok about recursive freeze | 14:50 |
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| amaretskiy | i mention with... unlocked() just to show the problem of wrapping data | 14:50 |
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| amaretskiy | we can invoke __getitem__() and make changes | 14:50 |
| amaretskiy | okay | 14:51 |
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| amaretskiy | maybe just vote for this idea: | 14:51 |
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| amaretskiy | FrozenDict({"foo": {"bar" {"spam": 42}}}) -> FrozenDict({"foo": FrozrnDict({"bar": FrozenDict({"spam": 42})})}) | 14:52 |
| amaretskiy | # +1 | 14:52 |
| amaretskiy | #vote +1 | 14:52 |
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| andreykurilin__ | -2 -W for option #2 | 14:53 |
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| rvasilets__ | -1 | 14:53 |
| andreykurilin__ | :D | 14:53 |
| ikhudoshyn | +1 | 14:53 |
| andreykurilin__ | ok so I'm misunderstood the question | 14:53 |
| ikhudoshyn | ))) | 14:54 |
| rvasilets__ | possibly me too) | 14:54 |
| rvasilets__ | FrozenDict({"foo": {"bar" {"spam": 42}}}) -> FrozenDict({"foo": FrozrnDict({"bar": FrozenDict({"spam": 42})})}) | 14:54 |
| ikhudoshyn | democracy is so much fun | 14:54 |
| rvasilets__ | what is the question?) | 14:54 |
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| andreykurilin__ | I thought that amaretskiy proposes a way how to initialize FrozenDict | 14:54 |
| andreykurilin__ | But it looks like the question is only about auto transformation | 14:54 |
| ikhudoshyn | no he proposes to recursively convert dicts to frozendicts | 14:55 |
| rvasilets__ | and to make immutable nested instances& | 14:55 |
| rvasilets__ | ? | 14:55 |
| rvasilets__ | Or | 14:55 |
| rvasilets__ | ou | 14:55 |
| rvasilets__ | I don't see any other options | 14:55 |
| rvasilets__ | +0.5 | 14:55 |
| rvasilets__ | ) | 14:55 |
| andreykurilin__ | me too | 14:55 |
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| ikhudoshyn | amaretskiy: go as you started)) | 14:56 |
| rvasilets__ | andreykurilin__: lets give by 0.5 and totally this would be +1) | 14:56 |
| ikhudoshyn | btw we're running out of time | 14:56 |
| andreykurilin__ | any other topics? | 14:57 |
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| amaretskiy | nothing from me | 14:57 |
| andreykurilin__ | thanks to everyone | 14:57 |
| andreykurilin__ | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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