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| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 08:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 6 08:03:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 08:03 |
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| aspiers | oops, I'm 60 minutes early. damn timezones ... | 08:04 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 08:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 6 08:04:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-06-06-08.03.html | 08:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-06-06-08.03.txt | 08:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-06-06-08.03.log.html | 08:04 |
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| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 08:13 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 6 08:13:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:13 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:13 |
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| aspiers | apparently my brain completely stopped this morning | 08:13 |
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| aspiers | I wasn't 60 minutes early after all | 08:14 |
| aspiers | so the meeting is now | 08:14 |
| aspiers | sorry for all the confusion | 08:14 |
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| aspiers | #topic HA VMs user story | 08:14 |
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| aspiers | last Thursday we had a VoIP conversation about the user story | 08:14 |
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| aspiers | so we agreed we don't really need the meeting today | 08:15 |
| aspiers | however I said I would run the meeting anyway, just in case anyone else turns up or reads the minutes/logs | 08:15 |
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| aspiers | so this is mainly just to capture what happened on Thursday and record it for the logs | 08:15 |
| aspiers | #info last Thursday we had a VoIP conversation about the user story | 08:15 |
| aspiers | #info not a full meeting today, just recording outcome of Thursday | 08:16 |
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| aspiers | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318431/ is the user story review we mainly discussed | 08:17 |
| aspiers | the debate was whether to include 4 new usage scenarios in the user story | 08:17 |
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| aspiers | the consensus was documented at Jun 2 12:53 PM | 08:18 |
| aspiers | as a comment I made on that user story | 08:18 |
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| aspiers | so I am 70% through drafting a mail to send to openstack-dev@ (and cc product-wg@) | 08:19 |
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| aspiers | in the mean time I have been working on other reviews of that user story | 08:19 |
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| aspiers | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-user-stories+status:open | 08:20 |
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| aspiers | #topic AOB | 08:21 |
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| aspiers | I'm guessing noone else is here right now, which was the plan | 08:21 |
| aspiers | but just in case: if anyone is here and wants to raise anything, now is your chance :) | 08:22 |
| aspiers | OK, so I think that's everything for this week | 08:25 |
| ddeja | aspiers: nothing to raise, and agree with your previous status ;) | 08:25 |
| aspiers | ddeja: thanks :) | 08:25 |
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| aspiers | BTW I'm going to Germany tomorrow for team workshops | 08:25 |
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| aspiers | so I'll be pretty busy until Friday 17th | 08:25 |
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| aspiers | but I will definitely send this mail to openstack very soon, hopefully in the next few hours | 08:25 |
| aspiers | I should be able to make next week's IRC meeting, however | 08:26 |
| aspiers | alright, ending the meeting now ... | 08:26 |
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| aspiers | #endmeeting | 08:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 6 08:26:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-06-06-08.13.html | 08:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-06-06-08.13.txt | 08:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-06-06-08.13.log.html | 08:26 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 6 14:04:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:05 |
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| boris-42 | ping rvasilets_ amaretskiy andreykurilin__ r | 14:05 |
| boris-42 | ping ikhudoshyn | 14:05 |
| ikhudoshyn | o/ | 14:05 |
| amaretskiy | hi | 14:05 |
| boris-42 | what's up guys? | 14:05 |
| rvasilets_ | pong | 14:05 |
| ikhudoshyn | still fighting with gates (( | 14:06 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: what happend with gates? | 14:06 |
| ikhudoshyn | 'existing users' | 14:06 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: ah | 14:06 |
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| ikhudoshyn | everything seemed ok the day before yesterday yet I somehow unavailable to update quotas | 14:07 |
| rvasilets_ | Doing some minor refactoring/bu fixing of Rally. Preparing to write the code of validation refactoring | 14:08 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets_: we will need to fix a bit spec | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: ikhudoshyn amaretskiy btw I think that we should try to have less code and more exploration in specs | 14:08 |
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| ikhudoshyn | oh I good at it already )) not a single line of code from my side for a week (( (excapt gate script) | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | lol | 14:09 |
| ikhudoshyn | (i sucks actually) | 14:10 |
| ikhudoshyn | s/i/it/ | 14:10 |
| ikhudoshyn | i'm good | 14:10 |
| rvasilets_ | boris-42, Ok. I just have one more question to you about realization | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: lol | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: so ask it lol | 14:11 |
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| rvasilets_ | boris-42, Will we need to hide unexpected exceptions inside validators? Or we write theirs trace into db and reraise an exception? | 14:12 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets_: so from my perspective it would be nice to do the next | 14:13 |
| rvasilets_ | *"we want to write" | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: do the next | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | 1) keep results of all validators like a (boolean, message) | 14:13 |
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| boris-42 | 2) if some of validators rises exceptions return (False, TraceInStr) | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | 3) in case of exceptions if debug mode is on log errors | 14:14 |
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| andreykurilin1 | o/ | 14:15 |
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| rvasilets_ | Ok, I get. But is it better to show for end user unexpected errors as it is now in our validators? This is explicit | 14:17 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42: just to remind one proposal - how about to expect that validators never return values, only raise exception ValidationError if something is wrong? This is how Django validators work | 14:17 |
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| amaretskiy | currently we expect that validator return ValidationResult | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I remember that we have already this disucssion | 14:18 |
| amaretskiy | yes | 14:18 |
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| amaretskiy | but I do not remember the result of discussion | 14:18 |
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| amaretskiy | only fact that we discussed this | 14:18 |
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| rvasilets_ | =) | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so I don't remember the reasons why it is better to raise expections | 14:19 |
| amaretskiy | the code is simpler | 14:19 |
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| amaretskiy | actually validators should never change anything | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: and how can you return message that describes why validator was successfull ? | 14:20 |
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| rvasilets_ | "My will!" - http://www.zuguide.com/images/14530/14530.0.570.359.jpg | 14:20 |
| amaretskiy | raise ValidationError(message) | 14:20 |
| rvasilets_ | ) | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: in case of success* | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: not in case of failures | 14:20 |
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| amaretskiy | validator just makes desicion taht something is valid or not | 14:21 |
| amaretskiy | is valid - then it keep silence | 14:21 |
| rvasilets_ | By default they could be valid) | 14:21 |
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| amaretskiy | if error - raise exception | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I would prefer to provide info about why it made such decisisons | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: that it is right | 14:22 |
| amaretskiy | ok | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: that will simplify really debuggability | 14:22 |
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| rvasilets_ | Okey master) | 14:23 |
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| rvasilets_ | Why we ned msg that validator was successfulд? | 14:24 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets_: amaretskiy one sample | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: amaretskiy you are specifying image by reg exp | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: it will show you message (image_validatior, "True", "Image with UUID and name matches pattern XXX") | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ^ | 14:25 |
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| amaretskiy | we can use logging in validators | 14:26 |
| rvasilets_ | We could write such msges at the last line of validator | 14:26 |
| rvasilets_ | but we will not controll then writting of validator... | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: this will be already more complicated | 14:27 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: because it is logging + rising exceptions | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: plus logs won't be stored in DB and you won't be able to retrive results of validation of specific task | 14:27 |
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| rvasilets_ | boris-42, Looks like I get you point. We want to have msg in ANY case | 14:28 |
| amaretskiy | I would not insist on exceptions-based validators, let it be so | 14:28 |
| rvasilets_ | even if user wrote very bad validator | 14:29 |
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| rvasilets_ | "plus logs won't be stored in DB and you won't be able to retrive results of validation of specific task" - This can be hacked by catching erroe inside engine, write to db information and reraise) | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: so rising excetpions in case of success is very bad idea | 14:31 |
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| rvasilets_ | Okey, I will wrote the code by your wish) In both cases from perspective of code not to much to change) | 14:33 |
| rvasilets_ | boris-42, ^ | 14:33 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets_: thanks | 14:34 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: andreykurilin1 rvasilets_ ikhudoshyn do we have something to disucss? | 14:34 |
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| ikhudoshyn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167060/ | 14:34 |
| andreykurilin1 | nothing from my side:) | 14:34 |
| ikhudoshyn | we got two +2's yet we're waiting for u | 14:35 |
| amaretskiy | no ideas | 14:35 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: ok | 14:35 |
| rvasilets_ | Nothing from me | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: I will reivew it | 14:35 |
| ikhudoshyn | tnx | 14:35 |
| rvasilets_ | ou | 14:35 |
| ikhudoshyn | that's all from my side | 14:35 |
| rvasilets_ | I have | 14:36 |
| rvasilets_ | In spec by Rally db there are described not all changes | 14:36 |
| rvasilets_ | is it normal? | 14:36 |
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| rvasilets_ | Previously we dissussed that there is only task related part | 14:37 |
| amaretskiy | I guess rvasilets_ is talking about changes in Deployment (like cloud_info) | 14:37 |
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| rvasilets_ | yes | 14:37 |
| rvasilets_ | Do we want to store Cloud info? | 14:37 |
| rvasilets_ | boris-42, ^ | 14:38 |
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| rvasilets_ | And minor question: Will we need to describe Deployment table changes at those spec? | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: heh we need to do that but in smart way | 14:38 |
| amaretskiy | good question, because it is relatively easy to add this information to reports, and it will be nice to have it there | 14:39 |
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| rvasilets_ | boris-42, Do you know the smart way or we need to think? | 14:39 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: rvasilets_ so we need to think where to collect this data | 14:39 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: rvasilets_ basically we need to move this to the deployment plugins related to openstack | 14:39 |
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| amaretskiy | keep in mind that this is an openstack-related info, it must be universal | 14:40 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: nope it must not be | 14:40 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: =) | 14:40 |
| amaretskiy | :) | 14:40 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: if we collect this data in plugins of deployment | 14:41 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: as a JSON | 14:41 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: then we can collect anything | 14:41 |
| rvasilets_ | How to collect? - What is the problem to make some linux api calls? In case of not distributed rally?\ | 14:41 |
| amaretskiy | yes, arbitrary key-value data in JSON format | 14:41 |
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| rvasilets_ | Okey. What cloud info we want to store? - CPUs, RAM? | 14:42 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep | 14:42 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: everything that can be collected | 14:43 |
| amaretskiy | nodes, services available | 14:43 |
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| amaretskiy | field name should not contain "cloud" | 14:44 |
| amaretskiy | so this will not point to openstack | 14:44 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: rvasilets_ yep it should be like info | 14:45 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: rvasilets_ and can point anything | 14:45 |
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| amaretskiy | + | 14:45 |
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| rvasilets_ | Lets create separate plugin. Cloud_info etc | 14:45 |
| amaretskiy | Simply "Info" :) | 14:46 |
| rvasilets_ | And will allow users to write there own plugins to collect the data | 14:46 |
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| rvasilets_ | ) | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: nope plugin is bad idea imho | 14:46 |
| rvasilets_ | This was my first idea) | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: I would preer rather to extend existings | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: deployment plugins | 14:46 |
| rvasilets_ | Okey | 14:46 |
| rvasilets_ | Maybe reasonable | 14:47 |
| amaretskiy | I guess this information should be populated while making "deployment create" | 14:47 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep | 14:47 |
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| rvasilets_ | We could extend it then to collect how cloud resources changed during task execution) | 14:48 |
| rvasilets_ | or bad швуф | 14:48 |
| rvasilets_ | *idea | 14:48 |
| rvasilets_ | ? | 14:48 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets_: I don't think so=) | 14:49 |
| rvasilets_ | (( | 14:49 |
| amaretskiy | I think we should bind this data collection to Task start | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets_: it's called monitoring and should be done in other place | 14:49 |
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| amaretskiy | because remote system can be changed | 14:49 |
| rvasilets_ | agree( | 14:49 |
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| amaretskiy | and show this info per-task in report | 14:49 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: rvasilets_ I think this is spearated discussion | 14:50 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: rvasilets_ we should do the spec about it | 14:50 |
| rvasilets_ | Okey. The question was do we need to describe this in spec and the answer we need) | 14:50 |
| rvasilets_ | yes) | 14:50 |
| rvasilets_ | Then I have -1 to spec) | 14:50 |
| amaretskiy | this is important whether to add this field to Task or to Deployment in the Spec | 14:50 |
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| amaretskiy | Spec is about Task-related schema | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: rvasilets_ so for now it should be described in the spec from Ilya | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: rvasilets_ because it's different topic | 14:51 |
| amaretskiy | ok | 14:52 |
| rvasilets_ | should be -> shouldn't be? | 14:52 |
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| rvasilets_ | Okey | 14:52 |
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| rvasilets_ | We need separeted spec as I understand | 14:53 |
| rvasilets_ | *separate | 14:53 |
| rvasilets_ | Who will make it?) | 14:54 |
| amaretskiy | any decision will not make problems in implementaton, so we can make separate spec for this topic | 14:54 |
| rvasilets_ | Or we will decide later? | 14:54 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets_: I can start it | 14:55 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets_: there is another question as well to let users provide info about task & deploymnt amaretskiy | 14:55 |
| boris-42 | okay seems like we can end todays meeting | 14:55 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 6 14:55:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 6 15:03:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | hello | 15:03 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 15:04 |
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| anteaya | how are you mmedvede? | 15:04 |
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| mmedvede | I am good, how are you? | 15:04 |
| anteaya | good thanks | 15:05 |
| anteaya | do you have anything you would like to discuss today? | 15:05 |
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| mmedvede | not really | 15:06 |
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| asselin_ | o/ | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | hey asselin_ | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | asselin_: have you anything you would like to discuss today? | 15:07 |
| asselin_ | hi anteaya, not today | 15:07 |
| anteaya | great neither do I | 15:07 |
| anteaya | nice to see you though | 15:07 |
| asselin_ | likewise | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | let's see if anyone else arrives | 15:08 |
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| kcalman | hi yall | 15:11 |
| anteaya | hello kcalman | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | kcalman: are you here for the third-party meeting? | 15:12 |
| kcalman | Just checking in, nothing to discuss, thanks | 15:12 |
| anteaya | okay thank you for attending, nice to see you | 15:12 |
| anteaya | so far noone has anything to discuss today | 15:13 |
| kcalman | yw | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | thanks everyone for being here | 15:15 |
| anteaya | since noone attending has anything they would like to discuss | 15:15 |
| anteaya | I propose I close the meeting | 15:15 |
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| anteaya | does anyone object? | 15:15 |
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| anteaya | thank you again and see you next week | 15:16 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:16 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 6 16:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | hi all | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | still waiting for people to join | 16:02 |
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| hparekh_ | Hi | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh_: hey | 16:02 |
| d0ugal | Hey | 16:02 |
| jpeeler | hello (first time here) | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | hi guys | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's skip our traditional "Review Action Items" topic since last time there was a very few people | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current Status by team members (current activities, roadblocks etc.) | 16:04 |
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| mgershen | Hi | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: still finishing up refactoring of Mistral engine components | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | mgershen: hi ) | 16:05 |
| hparekh_ | My status: Just reviewed some patches and worked on policy related blueprint. | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | in parallel I started writing a spec for Custom Actions API: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325769/ | 16:05 |
| mgershen | Hi rakhmerov, I'm working on some internal stuff. I hope to finish by next week. | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh_: how is that BP going? policy | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen: yes, I know :) It's ok | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen: ping me when you finish, there's a number of things to work on | 16:06 |
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| hparekh_ | its almost finished will post patch soon working. Actually I am working on tests | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh_: very cool | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | looking forward to see it | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal, jpeeler: can you guys say a couple of words about your involvement with Mistral and how you would like to participate? | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | if you want ) | 16:08 |
| d0ugal | I have been working on TripleO for a while and want to help improve Mistral to aid the TripleO use-case. | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: do you work together with Ryan? | 16:08 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Yeah, me rbrady and jpeeler work together :) | 16:08 |
| jpeeler | i believe i will also be supporting the tripleo use case as well | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | I see | 16:09 |
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| d0ugal | but hopefully we can just help out in general too! | 16:09 |
| jpeeler | but i hope to fix generic mistral bugs and such too | 16:09 |
| jpeeler | right | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | I know that rbrady has been interested in that Custom Actions API since we found that this part is not really designed well enough in Mistral | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, I see | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | well, ok. Then I'd like to ask you to participate in that spec that I pointed to when it's finished | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325769/ | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | because I guess that should be pretty important for you | 16:11 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: +1, I'll take a look | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | and as far as other stuff, would you like me to assign something relatively simple to you or you think you know Mistral well enough to be able to approach something more serious? | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | like new feature or serious improvement | 16:11 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Sure, I would be happy to take something simple. | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ok | 16:12 |
| d0ugal | I would like to do something more serious, but I am not sure yet how much time I can dedicate to Mistral | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | then I'll do it offline | 16:12 |
| d0ugal | Great | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah, and feel free to communicate on whatever is needed to complete that | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, thanks guys | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, I actually also planned to talk a little bit about Custom Actions API | 16:14 |
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| mgershen | rakhmerov: OK np, I'll ping you when I'll be free. | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Custom Actions API | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | so, maybe it's a little too early to talk about it but anyway, I'll just tell some basic info for now, maybe you'll have something to say at this early stage too | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | generally, the background comes from the need to write new actions which essentially Python classes inherited from mistral.actions.base.Action | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | it has essentially method run() that needs to be implemented | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | the problem is that so far most of our users and customers have been writing custom actions that weren't related with OpenStack | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | they didn't require any serious integration with OpenStack | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | in this case implementing them is pretty straightforward thing to do | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | but, in TripleO team wants to write new actions that could leverage other OpenStack services and hence use things like security context that an action is running in | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | we already provide actions for accessing OpenStack services the attempt was made to do something similar for other actions | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | by using modules like mistral.context that provides basically with auth token, project, user | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | however, we never considered this module as a stable thing that all actions developers could use | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | long story short, we need to establish a Python API for developing new Mistral actions | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | as I see it, it should provide access to security context (user, project, token), workflow context (workflow execution id, task id, action id etc.) | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | at minimum | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | and other useful things that may simplify actions development | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | like, for example, ability to reuse other actions that already exist | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | some kind of composition | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | so that we can do something like: action_utils.get_action("nova.servers_get").params(1,2,3).run() | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | there's also need to explicitly define some data types that are serializable and can be used on executor side | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | like mistral.worfklow.utils.Result | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | that actions are allowed to return | 16:24 |
| d0ugal | dprince: Have you seen this Mistral WIP spec? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325769 | 16:24 |
| d0ugal | dprince: We are just talking about it now. | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: unlikely, I just started it today | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:25 |
| d0ugal | oh :) | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | so, other things that we probably need to do as well is to move existing OpenStack actions into a separate repo | 16:25 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I know that rbrady would like to write a spec for moving the actions | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | to be able to work on them separately and implement a script to be able to install only subset of them | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ok, yes | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I'm just wondering whether it should be a new spec or we can do it as part of this one? | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | at first glance, it should be a new spec | 16:26 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Good question. | 16:26 |
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| d0ugal | I am not sure how complex it is, but I would agree that a new spec makes sense | 16:27 |
| d0ugal | It is related, but different enough. | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | and btw, that Custom Actions API, in my opinion, should be moved to a different subproject | 16:27 |
| d0ugal | subproject? | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yep | 16:27 |
| d0ugal | Like it's own repo? | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | yes, that is why.. | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | right | 16:27 |
| d0ugal | +1 | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | the reason is the following: | 16:27 |
| d0ugal | Having a standalone Python library is much clearer than making part of a large codebase a public Python API. | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | these interfaces(sorry, my old Java habit to think in interfaces for key abstractions) and classes can be used by both engine and executor | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, exactly | 16:28 |
| hparekh_ | +1 agree | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | ideally, we should be even able to package Mistral executor separately | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | with as few dependencies as possible | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | because it's supposed to be lightweight and very simple | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | and one of those dependencies should be something like mistral-common (need to think about naming) where all that Custom Actions API should live | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | and if Mistral engine (server side) needs those things too it can also have that dependency | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | thoughts? | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | :) hopefully it all makes sense | 16:31 |
| d0ugal | I think it sounds great. | 16:32 |
| d0ugal | I don't like the name mistral-common | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:32 |
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| d0ugal | I don't want to bikeshed that now, but we have tripleo-common and IMO it was a mistake | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | what was it for? | 16:32 |
| d0ugal | That is the problem :) The purpose isn't clear | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | what was your initial idea of it? | 16:33 |
| d0ugal | so it has everything in it | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | aah | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | I see, yes | 16:33 |
| d0ugal | The initial idea was common code between the CLI and API. However, plans changed | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | maybe we need to make it serve a certain purpose, yes, for clarity | 16:33 |
| d0ugal | +1 | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | like mistral-actions-lib, dunno | 16:33 |
| d0ugal | mistral-actions might be enough | 16:34 |
| dprince | d0ugal: looking | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | yep, may be | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | dprince: hi Dan | 16:34 |
| d0ugal | Our Mistral actions (and workflows) are in tripleo-common, I would like to move them to tripleo-workflows (a new repo) eventually. | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:34 |
| mgershen | mistral-actions mistral-actions-lib are both good IMO | 16:35 |
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| d0ugal | mgershen: +1 | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | mistral-actions may be slightly confusing if we want to make it a lib for developing actions but not for actions themselves | 16:35 |
| dprince | d0ugal: I like the idea. I think it is based on feedback that Ryan and I gave to Renat at the summit | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | as far as actions themselves, like OpenStack actions, we could use mistral-extra that already exists | 16:36 |
| d0ugal | dprince: Yes, I think so. That is why I thought you might have an opinion :) but I guess you need time to read it | 16:36 |
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| dprince | d0ugal: yeah. I'll read it more carefully :) | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | dprince: yes, I'm now trying to aggregate all thoughts on this and write up an initial spec | 16:36 |
| dprince | d0ugal: I like the idea of tripleo-workflows too | 16:37 |
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| dprince | d0ugal: FWIW I initially organized it like this last year but people weren't buying it at the time: https://github.com/dprince/tripleo-mistral-workflows | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | what were they saying on that? | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | why not? | 16:38 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: I think it was just to early to debate where things lived at the time | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:38 |
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| d0ugal | Yeah, I don't even remember the location being in the discussion :) | 16:38 |
| dprince | d0ugal: that said, I would like to see us make it work ASAP... and actually wire it in soon | 16:38 |
| dprince | d0ugal: regardless of where it lives | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | ok, so early feedback would be appreciated (I mean that spec) | 16:39 |
| d0ugal | dprince: +1 | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | I'll try to finish it asap | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | ideally tomorrow | 16:39 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: absolutely, thanks for that | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | with as many details as I can come up with at this stage | 16:39 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I'll review tomorrow morning, I don't have much time left today. | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | dprince: no problem, I know that it's a pain | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: no problem, thanks | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal, jpeeler: you guys are very welcome | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | I hope you'll enjoy working with us ) | 16:40 |
| d0ugal | Thanks, I am looking forward to it. Mistral is a neat project! | 16:41 |
| jpeeler | thanks /me is still getting started | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | I'll try to assign something to you tomorrow (it's almost midnight here in Siberia :) ) | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | that's all from my side on that topic | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | if you'd like to add something pls go ahead | 16:41 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: wow, that is late :) | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | for me it seems like we're on the same page | 16:42 |
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| d0ugal | Yes, I think so. | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, but it's ok, I'm used to it | 16:42 |
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| d0ugal | I'm sure rbrady will also review the spec | 16:42 |
| rbrady | I plan to :) | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | can afford being a little late for work tomorrow morning :) | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: hi Ryan ) | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | yes, please | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | it's not finished yet though | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | one more thing that I'd like you to have a look at is the scope for Newton-2 | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/newton-2 | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | if you want to add something to it, it's a high time you did that ) | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | for example, if something is very much needed | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | bugs and blueprints | 16:45 |
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| dprince | rakhmerov: hi, so has anybody every proposed an idea around on_fail error handling | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | dprince: what's that? | 16:46 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: like we have on_error... but it doesn't handle the case where an unhandled exception is thrown | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | dprince: ooh, you mean errors not related to action execution? | 16:46 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: I think it is a corner case rbrady and I hit in the past few weeks | 16:46 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: perhaps, this would be like an unhandled stack trace from any action | 16:47 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: on_error doesn't get it | 16:47 |
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| d0ugal | It's a bit like in unittests, they can pass, fail or error. | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | dprince: yes, right. It only handles "expected" errors provided by actions | 16:47 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: normally how I debug this is by looking at the Execution result itself | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | hm.. interesting | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:47 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: it is an idea and I think we are perhaps missing something here | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | may be, yes | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | need to think about it | 16:48 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: our use case is we'd like to make sure that all errors (or failures) get Log a zaqar message accordingly | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | share your thoughts on this | 16:48 |
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| dprince | rakhmerov: I think we could draft up a spec around the problem and perhaps better approach it from that angle | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | dprince: well, at the first glance, from engine perspective it's not a big deal to handle such failures | 16:49 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: but the general idea was encountered while rbrady and I were pair pramming to write these https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300200/10/workbooks/baremetal.yaml | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | dprince: yes, that would be helpful | 16:50 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: cool, Yeah when I looked at the engine and how exceptions are already caught I don't think this is a big change | 16:50 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: we'd just want to get the interface around it correct | 16:51 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: another idea for you | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | dprince: I'm now actively making it much much simpler | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | dprince: honestly, we had this part slightly messy bit it's not getting improved | 16:51 |
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| dprince | rakhmerov: has anyone ever proposed the idea around passing input parameters via on_error/on_complete/on_success? | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | I mean how we handle errors | 16:51 |
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| dprince | rakhmerov: like it would be super cool to be able to re-use a generic error handler by passing parameters to it | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | dprince: yes, I guess you mean something like https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-explicit-task-parameters | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | have a look | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | I guess this is it | 16:52 |
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| dprince | rakhmerov: okay, so this would be acceptable it seems like | 16:53 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: just hasn't been implemented yet :) | 16:53 |
| * d0ugal needs to run, thanks for the meeting. I'll catch up with the end in the notes. | 16:53 | |
| rakhmerov | hparekh_ has already made some preparation steps towards that BP as part of another BP | 16:53 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: opportunity | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | dprince: right | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | dprince: although, this thing is slightly ambiguous | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | if we look into details | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | not even ambiguous, we basically need to define its semantics well | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | like what do those parameters mean exactly? | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | I see it as just a shortcut for publishing variables into context | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | other opinions were different | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | like we should run such tasks in some isolated data context if we explicitly pass parameters | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | or, another option: if we pass params explicitly then we just override values for of task action parameters | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | e.g.: | 16:57 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: there are some parameters in the context that aren't easy to access unless you pass them explicitly I think | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | task1: | 16:57 |
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| rakhmerov | action: my_param= <% $.some_yaql%> | 16:57 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: like the error status/message from the calling task... in a generic fashion | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | if we do task1("val") we would just ignore that yaql | 16:57 |
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| rakhmerov | dprince: yeah | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | so, I mean there's something to discuss on that | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | I think we need a spec actually for that, too | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | to list out those options and choose the best one | 16:59 |
| dprince | rakhmerov: yes, probably | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: have someone to write a spec for explicit task params BP | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | ok, time's up | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | it was good to have you all on the meeting! | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | thanks for joining ) | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 17:00 |
| hparekh_ | Thanks bye !!! | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 6 17:00:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-06-06-16.00.html | 17:00 |
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| markmcclain | adam_g, ryanpetrello, rods, elo: ping | 18:00 |
| markmcclain | #startmeeting astara | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 6 18:01:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'astara' | 18:01 |
| markmcclain | ryanpetrello had a conflict today, so I'm filling in | 18:01 |
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| adam_g | o/ | 18:01 |
| rods | o/ | 18:01 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 18:02 |
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| adam_g | so newton-1 got cut last week i believe? | 18:03 |
| markmcclain | #info Newton-1 was cut last week | 18:03 |
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| markmcclain | adam_g: reading my mind :) | 18:03 |
| markmcclain | actually not yet | 18:03 |
| markmcclain | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324754/ | 18:03 |
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| markmcclain | the appliance did not have the proper job | 18:04 |
| adam_g | markmcclain: hmm | 18:04 |
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| adam_g | i think that is just fo appliance | 18:04 |
| adam_g | there was another merge for the other repos | 18:04 |
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| adam_g | astara repo has a 9.0.0.0b1 | 18:04 |
| markmcclain | adam_g: right the rest was tagged here | 18:04 |
| markmcclain | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324604/ | 18:04 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 18:05 |
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| adam_g | +1'ing the other | 18:05 |
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| elopez_ | here | 18:05 |
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| adam_g | our gate looked broken on friday due to a rootwrap issue but a recheck fixed it. might have been something infra related | 18:05 |
| adam_g | but keep an eye out | 18:05 |
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| markmcclain | oh missed that... thanks for staying on top of that | 18:06 |
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| markmcclain | jordon reported a situation where the rug got stuck in a loop | 18:06 |
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| markmcclain | there report was via IRC, so needs to be transferred to launchpag | 18:06 |
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| markmcclain | *launchpad | 18:06 |
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| markmcclain | adam_g: seems like we might have seen the stuck in boot loop bug before | 18:07 |
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| adam_g | yea | 18:07 |
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| adam_g | i think thats the default behavior if we hit an error somewhere int he state machine that isn't accounted for | 18:08 |
| adam_g | but IMBW | 18:08 |
| markmcclain | the report was that the VM was alive and reachable via ssh | 18:08 |
| markmcclain | I was unable to replicate it in my local env | 18:08 |
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| adam_g | hmm | 18:08 |
| markmcclain | Any other bugs to discuss? | 18:09 |
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| elopez | did see that bug reported about rug in loop | 18:09 |
| elopez | meant didn't | 18:09 |
| markmcclain | it was a DM to me | 18:10 |
| elopez | was the issue possibly related to a tunnel connection issue? | 18:11 |
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| markmcclain | elopez: that was ruled out early as ssh worked to the instance | 18:11 |
| markmcclain | from host running the orchestrator | 18:11 |
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| elopez | hmm.. weird | 18:12 |
| markmcclain | yeah... we've seen it pop up before but I thought we addressed it during mitaka | 18:12 |
| markmcclain | we can work outside the meeting to get more info | 18:13 |
| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 18:13 |
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| markmcclain | I'm going to skip milestone-2 planning since LP needs a bit of updating after last weeks release | 18:14 |
| markmcclain | any other open discussion items? | 18:14 |
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| adam_g | none from me | 18:14 |
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| elopez | none for me | 18:15 |
| markmcclain | ok then we'll wrap up everything for this week... talk to every on the mailing list or IRC | 18:16 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 18:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 6 18:16:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-06-06-18.01.html | 18:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-06-06-18.01.txt | 18:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-06-06-18.01.log.html | 18:16 |
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| anteaya | jamemcc: that is what the schedule says | 19:08 |
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| johncallaghan | Waiting for App Ecosystem lead to start our meeting today | 21:59 |
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| mbonell | hi :johncallaghan | 22:00 |
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| johncallaghan | Hi marcela | 22:00 |
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| mbonell | I'll miss you :( | 22:00 |
| * krotscheck is around | 22:00 | |
| johncallaghan | I will miss all of you. | 22:00 |
| craigs | #startmeeting Application Ecosystem Working Group | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 6 22:00:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is craigs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| johncallaghan | Hi Michael | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Application Ecosystem Working Group)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'application_ecosystem_working_group' | 22:01 |
| * krotscheck has some insight into what johncallaghan is doing next. Congratulations are in order ;) | 22:01 | |
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| johncallaghan | Hi Craig | 22:01 |
| craigs | Hi John | 22:01 |
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| craigs | Marcela | 22:01 |
| craigs | Hi Marcela | 22:01 |
| mbonell | hello :) | 22:01 |
| johncallaghan | I wanted to introduce Michael Krotscheck today as my replacement. | 22:02 |
| krotscheck | Hey everyone! | 22:02 |
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| craigs | Hi | 22:02 |
| mbonell | welcome! | 22:02 |
| johncallaghan | We may stil have people arriving for a while | 22:02 |
| krotscheck | Thanks! Apparently I've been doing app ecosystem things for the past year without knowing it. Go figure ;) | 22:02 |
| vhdiaz | Hey Folks! | 22:02 |
| craigs | Hi Victor | 22:03 |
| vhdiaz | Victor Here | 22:03 |
| johncallaghan | The etherpad is up from our last meeting | 22:03 |
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| johncallaghan | Hi Victor. | 22:03 |
| leong | o/ | 22:03 |
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| johncallaghan | Hi Leong | 22:04 |
| leong | hi john.. sad to hear you need to leave this group.. | 22:04 |
| craigs | Hmm, was this the meeting I volunteered to run? | 22:04 |
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| johncallaghan | Yes it is. All yours | 22:04 |
| obazavil | Hi ppl! | 22:04 |
| craigs | Sorry I had forgot, so totally unprepared | 22:05 |
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| johncallaghan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_June_6_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup | 22:05 |
| craigs | thanks | 22:05 |
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| krotscheck | (How's the meeting chair selected?) | 22:07 |
| craigs | #chair add leong | 22:07 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: add | 22:07 |
| openstack | Current chairs: add craigs leong | 22:07 |
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| craigs | Depends, on the IRC meeting this is only our second round | 22:08 |
| craigs | it was started by Christopher Aedo | 22:08 |
| leong | i'm playing supporting role here :-) | 22:08 |
| leong | need to drop the second half meeting :-) | 22:08 |
| craigs | ok | 22:08 |
| leong | do we have any agenda link? | 22:09 |
| craigs | it was pasted above | 22:09 |
| leong | maybe u want to set the topic to the first Agenda item | 22:09 |
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| craigs | #topic Introduce Michael Krotschceck new co-chair replacing John Callaghan | 22:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce Michael Krotschceck new co-chair replacing John Callaghan (Meeting topic: Application Ecosystem Working Group)" | 22:10 | |
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| craigs | Welcome Michael, can you tell us a little about you, what you have been working on, etc | 22:10 |
| krotscheck | Righto! | 22:11 |
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| krotscheck | Much like johncallaghan, I work at HPE. I've been contributing upstream to quite a few projects - mostly infra, however the mitaka cycle aslo involved a lot of oslo. | 22:11 |
| leong | quick note. this meeting was started with "Application Ecosystem Working Group".. the previous one was started "app_ecosystem_wg" | 22:11 |
| leong | this will lead to two different structure on keeping the logs | 22:11 |
| leong | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ | 22:12 |
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| krotscheck | I've more or less been focused on all the requisite yak shaving required to make javascript a first-class citizen in OpenStack. | 22:12 |
| leong | ie: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/application_ecosystem_working_group | 22:12 |
| leong | and http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/ | 22:12 |
| craigs | Do you know how to fix that? Should we quickly end hte meeting and re-start? | 22:12 |
| leong | we need to be consistent on the meeting name so that the irc meetbot can pick up automatically | 22:12 |
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| * krotscheck pauses | 22:12 | |
| craigs | Oh well, go ahead Michael | 22:13 |
| * krotscheck starts back in! | 22:13 | |
| krotscheck | I've posted a summary of my current roadmap to the user committee list, any questions you might have can be asked there. | 22:13 |
| krotscheck | In my spare time, I let babies ride around on me. | 22:14 |
| leong | the easiest way is to end this start as app_ecosystem_wg | 22:14 |
| krotscheck | ;) | 22:14 |
| craigs | OK | 22:14 |
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| krotscheck | That's me in a nutshell. Start the meeting over? | 22:14 |
| craigs | yep | 22:14 |
| craigs | #endmeeting | 22:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 6 22:14:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/application_ecosystem_working_group/2016/application_ecosystem_working_group.2016-06-06-22.00.html | 22:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/application_ecosystem_working_group/2016/application_ecosystem_working_group.2016-06-06-22.00.txt | 22:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/application_ecosystem_working_group/2016/application_ecosystem_working_group.2016-06-06-22.00.log.html | 22:14 |
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| craigs | #startmeeting App_ecosystem_wg | 22:15 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 6 22:15:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is craigs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:15 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: App_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:15 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' | 22:15 |
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| leong | cool! | 22:15 |
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| krotscheck | Any questions? | 22:16 |
| leong | craigs rollcall :-) | 22:16 |
| krotscheck | o/ | 22:16 |
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| craigs | #topic rollcall | 22:16 |
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| leong | 0/ :) | 22:17 |
| craigs | craig o/ | 22:17 |
| craigs | who else is on for the App Ecosystem meeting? | 22:17 |
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| krotscheck | Just start tagging people as we go through topics, it'll get their attention. | 22:18 |
| leong | yup | 22:19 |
| leong | move on to next topic | 22:19 |
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| craigs | #topic First App Status | 22:20 |
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| craigs | Marcela did you get a chance to try the changes to the Shade version of First App | 22:20 |
| mbonell | I'm still reviewing Caleb's path | 22:20 |
| mbonell | patch | 22:20 |
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| mbonell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320709/ | 22:21 |
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| craigs | OK, I am waiting to hear back from Martin Paulo on the jclouds version he said he would have time last week to work on it | 22:21 |
| craigs | Isn't the fog one done? Marcela were you going to do some testing on that one too? | 22:22 |
| mbonell | for Fog I don't have updates from Sean | 22:22 |
| mbonell | He's working on complete it | 22:23 |
| mbonell | once he send a patch I'll review and test it | 22:23 |
| craigs | OK | 22:23 |
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| craigs | Those are the ones that we have some commitment to complete | 22:23 |
| * krotscheck will look at the JS pieces. | 22:24 | |
| craigs | Anybody have anything else for FirstApp? | 22:24 |
| * docaedo waves hi just before hopping on an airplane :) | 22:24 | |
| leong | craigs, try to use #info #agree #action to keep track of decision | 22:24 |
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| craigs | I don't know what the state of the JS one is, let us know | 22:24 |
| mbonell | krotscheck can help with JS :p | 22:24 |
| krotscheck | I'll reach out to kenperkins at rackspace, he may be interested in buliding out the pkgcloud firstapp. | 22:24 |
| krotscheck | (FYI: he's the person who started pkgcloud) | 22:24 |
| craigs | ok | 22:25 |
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| craigs | #action krotscheck Contact Ken Perkins and see if he would be able to help build out the pkgcloud firstapp | 22:25 |
| craigs | #topic Update on Hackathon Status | 22:26 |
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| craigs | Any update on the Hackathon Marcela? | 22:27 |
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| vhdiaz | that is me, Team is meeting reguarly on tuesdays, our focus is sponsorship recruitment and marketing campaign | 22:27 |
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| craigs | anything else for the hackathon? | 22:28 |
| vhdiaz | krotscheck: do you think hpe in mexico/guadalajara might be interested in sponsorship opportunities ? | 22:28 |
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| mbonell | or cloud training/mentorship? | 22:29 |
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| krotscheck | vhdiaz: I'll ask, though it might take a bit while I dig through the green tape to figure out who's the correct contact person. | 22:29 |
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| vhdiaz | #action krotscheck will double check if HPE might be interested in sponsoring Guadalajara's hackathon | 22:30 |
| vhdiaz | thanks!, thas is all | 22:30 |
| craigs | OK | 22:30 |
| krotscheck | vhdiaz: Fair warning, that's towards the end of our fiscal year, so all those moneys may already have been allocated. | 22:30 |
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| craigs | #topic Extend openstack app discussion | 22:30 |
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| craigs | This one still needs to be done, I will make another action item for myself | 22:31 |
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| craigs | #action craigs Need to expand the what is an openstack app question out to the mail lists | 22:31 |
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| craigs | #topic Brainstorm what training we are going to do for Barcelona Summit | 22:32 |
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| craigs | Victor do you know what the plans are for training in Barcelona? | 22:32 |
| craigs | Are we doing a FirstApp session? | 22:32 |
| craigs | or do you know if Bill is working on something? | 22:32 |
| mbonell | we can do API/SDK training | 22:33 |
| mbonell | based on challenges | 22:33 |
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| leong | i suppose flander also planning for the dojo training | 22:33 |
| craigs | Yeah we need to ask him what's up, we haven't heard from him for a while | 22:34 |
| vhdiaz | I will double check one more time, at this time I will say We own the training for Barcelona.. Bill will not participate one more time | 22:34 |
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| krotscheck | Good to know. | 22:34 |
| vhdiaz | the trainers should come out of this wg | 22:34 |
| craigs | #action vhdiaz Check with Flanders and see what he has planned for dojo training | 22:34 |
| krotscheck | I don't suppose anyone here has experience with pedagogical patterns? ;) | 22:34 |
| vhdiaz | We have some guidance | 22:35 |
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| vhdiaz | We can use some resources | 22:35 |
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| krotscheck | What does guidance/resources mean? Do you mean funding from the foundation, support via flanders, ...? | 22:36 |
| notmars_ | we do have a list of subject/challenge for the Guadalajara hackaton that could be interesting to look into | 22:36 |
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| vhdiaz | yes, that was 1 idea behind the hackathon.. connecting with the Dojos and provide training previous the hackathon as preparation | 22:36 |
| vhdiaz | 1 of those pre-event activities could be converted into a training for Barcelona | 22:37 |
| notmars_ | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tdqe13aTbh0GN5tWHIWBTDwqu4UY6EAjksY64KtnREg/edit?usp=sharing&pref=2&pli=1 | 22:37 |
| notmars_ | not sure everybody has acces, if not, let me know, i'll forward | 22:37 |
| craigs | who is notmars? | 22:38 |
| mbonell | bruno | 22:38 |
| craigs | LOL makes sense now | 22:38 |
| mbonell | hahaha | 22:39 |
| vhdiaz | LoL | 22:39 |
| krotscheck | Hrm. Maybe a "contribute to openstack" intro to our infra things? | 22:39 |
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| leong | this wg is more focusing from "app developer" perspective | 22:39 |
| mbonell | yep, contributors is other kind of developers | 22:40 |
| krotscheck | I figured. | 22:40 |
| vhdiaz | it should solve the challenge on how to write your first app | 22:40 |
| krotscheck | Occasionally, however, you find a bug. | 22:40 |
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| craigs | I would expect our app developers to just submit the bugs | 22:41 |
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| craigs | Where did this training list come from? | 22:41 |
| notmars_ | the amazing Guadalajara hackaton group :) | 22:42 |
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| mbonell | \o/ | 22:42 |
| notmars_ | kudo to mbonell :) | 22:42 |
| krotscheck | That's pretty neat | 22:42 |
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| mbonell | the pre-trainings for the hackathon will be on Agu | 22:43 |
| krotscheck | I assume all of these courses are Python-based, yes? | 22:44 |
| mbonell | no | 22:44 |
| notmars_ | more mixed, the 'Openstack 101' is more non-programmatic at all | 22:44 |
| notmars_ | the cURL challenge is obviously...curl :P | 22:44 |
| notmars_ | .. | 22:44 |
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| craigs | Well if we are going to do a training session for Barcelona we have to submit a proposal soon, right? | 22:45 |
| krotscheck | I believe so. | 22:46 |
| notmars_ | I'd say the sooner | 22:46 |
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| notmars_ | question is probably : what do we want to start with ? | 22:46 |
| leong | for training session, pls check with Flander/Foundation | 22:46 |
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| leong | and yes, definitely need to prepare asap | 22:47 |
| craigs | Deadline to submit a talk is July 13 | 22:47 |
| krotscheck | For Barcelona, we could focus on Firstapp. Build FirstApp in python, build it in Java, build it in JavaSCript, etc.d | 22:48 |
| notmars_ | I like that option a lot | 22:48 |
| craigs | Well be careful what we offer up, we only have it in one language at this point | 22:48 |
| leong | training session might be "separated" from the normal talk submission | 22:48 |
| notmars_ | I have it in Objective-C | 22:48 |
| krotscheck | craigs: Well, it'll light some fire underneath the contributors to get their apps working, no? ;) | 22:48 |
| notmars_ | I think krotscheck will have it soon in js | 22:48 |
| notmars_ | we have python now for sure | 22:49 |
| krotscheck | And by "soon" you mean "barcelona", yes. | 22:49 |
| mbonell | fog | 22:49 |
| notmars_ | a bit of Java and a bit of .NET | 22:49 |
| * krotscheck hopes he'll have reviewers. | 22:49 | |
| notmars_ | and we're good no ? | 22:49 |
| notmars_ | krotscheck: you have already :) (me and my js-guys are waiting to be useful :P) | 22:49 |
| craigs | victor has the AR to go talk to Flanders, is this what we want to propose? | 22:50 |
| krotscheck | \o/ | 22:50 |
| krotscheck | notmars_: gerrit topic neverland | 22:50 |
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| krotscheck | I'm all for it. | 22:50 |
| notmars_ | krotscheck: yup, already bookmarked :) going through it tomorrow | 22:50 |
| krotscheck | Woot | 22:50 |
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| notmars_ | so let's the firstapp for Barcelona ? | 22:51 |
| craigs | OK, Victor talk to Flanders and let him know this is our proposal | 22:51 |
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| notmars_ | +1 | 22:52 |
| mbonell | ok | 22:52 |
| krotscheck | If flanders says yes, we can determine who's responsible for each of the languages, and use that to focus our barcelona deliverables. | 22:52 |
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| notmars_ | yup, assign a champion to each and check on them every regularly should be enough | 22:53 |
| notmars_ | (-every) | 22:53 |
| craigs | #link Here is the current list of ownership https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18Zj2JU0jR4hy8y1HxFl30gTEGeqgBjc6hqv0ZAByVYo/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0 | 22:53 |
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| krotscheck | 5 minutes | 22:55 |
| piet | Did we chat about the app developer recruitment survey? | 22:55 |
| craigs | nope | 22:56 |
| craigs | Are we done with Firstapp topic? | 22:56 |
| mbonell | yes | 22:56 |
| krotscheck | For now, yes. | 22:56 |
| notmars_ | yes | 22:56 |
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| krotscheck | piet: it doesn't look like it's on the agenda. Do you mind waiting a week and having it formally on the agenda? | 22:57 |
| craigs | either is fine | 22:57 |
| piet | Yep - no problem | 22:57 |
| craigs | are you ready to talk now | 22:57 |
| piet | It's live | 22:57 |
| craigs | #topic App developer recruitment survey | 22:57 |
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| craigs | Can you share the link | 22:57 |
| vhdiaz | I shared it to engineering teams in Mexico | 22:57 |
| vhdiaz | and social networks | 22:57 |
| craigs | great | 22:58 |
| piet | The goal is to identify app devs that are interested in participating in user research for the community | 22:58 |
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| piet | So, it's really intended to be a resource for this group | 22:58 |
| piet | However, we need to start distributing the survey to a huge number of people | 22:58 |
| krotscheck | Is this something that can be added to a registration form on one of our training events? | 22:58 |
| piet | Yep | 22:59 |
| johncallaghan | Bye all, its been fun and I will miss you. | 22:59 |
| krotscheck | i.e. "Sign up for training in barcelona, oh and do you mind if our UX team reaches out to you?" | 22:59 |
| piet | krotscheck Yep | 22:59 |
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| vhdiaz | By John! take care yourself | 22:59 |
| piet | We have a list of 1200 devs at INtel who will get the survey | 22:59 |
| vhdiaz | it was a pleasure co-charing wih you! | 22:59 |
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| notmars_ | yup, be well John ! | 23:00 |
| piet | vhdiaz There were a few folks that responded to the survey | 23:00 |
| craigs | Looks like we have run out of time | 23:00 |
| piet | Let's pick-up next week | 23:00 |
| krotscheck | Alright. | 23:00 |
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| craigs | Thanks all for joining | 23:00 |
| mbonell | byee | 23:01 |
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| craigs | #endmeeting | 23:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 6 23:01:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-06-06-22.15.html | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-06-06-22.15.txt | 23:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-06-06-22.15.log.html | 23:01 |
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| obazavil | bye | 23:01 |
| vhdiaz | cheers! | 23:01 |
| krotscheck | vhdiaz: bottoms up! | 23:01 |
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| krotscheck | vhdiaz: We should probably talk in person sometime before the next meeting, do you have time so I can pick your brain? | 23:02 |
| vhdiaz | :) must defenitely | 23:02 |
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| vhdiaz | I will be in oregon this week, so my agenda will be full | 23:02 |
| krotscheck | You could come up to Seattle ;) | 23:03 |
| vhdiaz | yeah! I should... let me see how things work out.. but anyway let me know your availibility and we chat.. | 23:03 |
| krotscheck | vhdiaz: willdo, I'll send an email. | 23:03 |
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| vhdiaz | thanks! | 23:03 |
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