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blair | hey oneswig, managed to make it for first 20mins or so | 06:59 |
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oneswig | blair: great, thanks for that | 06:59 |
blair | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 06:59 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 8 06:59:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is blair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:59 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:59 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 06:59 |
blair | #chair oneswig | 06:59 |
openstack | Current chairs: blair oneswig | 06:59 |
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priteau | Hello | 07:00 |
oneswig | Good morning! | 07:00 |
oneswig | #topic roll-call | 07:00 |
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oneswig | Who is here today? | 07:00 |
blair | present! | 07:00 |
oneswig | hello | 07:00 |
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blair | we have an apology from Tim Bell, which is a bit unfortunate because I think he was pretty interested in Blazar | 07:01 |
priteau | I am Pierre Riteau from the Chameleon project | 07:01 |
priteau | I was invited by Stig Telfer to join the meeting | 07:01 |
oneswig | priteau: thanks for coming Pierre | 07:02 |
blair | +1 | 07:02 |
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oneswig | ... attendance is light this week ... | 07:02 |
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verdurin | Adam from Francis Crick here - morning | 07:03 |
oneswig | Hi Adam | 07:03 |
blair | G'day Adam | 07:03 |
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priteau | Good morning Adam | 07:04 |
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oneswig | Shall we get going? | 07:04 |
blair | so maybe i can quickly tell you about the survey thing i added to the agenda (as i'll need to exit soon) and then we can move onto blazar? | 07:04 |
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oneswig | #topic NeCTAR NPS | 07:04 |
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oneswig | take it away Blair | 07:05 |
blair | just wanted to mention this so it's on the radar really | 07:05 |
blair | for those who don't know, the NeCTAR Research Cloud is a Science Cloud open to all government funded researchers in Australia | 07:05 |
blair | it has been operating since 2012 and scaled up between 2012-2015 to 8 sites and ~35k cores | 07:06 |
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blair | we recently did our first major user survey | 07:06 |
blair | contacted over 6000 people/emails and got a pretty decent 600+ responses | 07:07 |
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oneswig | that's a lot of datapoints | 07:07 |
oneswig | IIRC the OpenStack user survey is roughly the same sample size | 07:08 |
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blair | it was a Net Promoter Score survey, so it's quite light in terms of participation, basically you just score the thing on a scale of 1-10 | 07:08 |
blair | anything 6 or less is considered a detractor | 07:08 |
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blair | i think 7 and 8 is neutral | 07:09 |
blair | 9 and 10 is promoter | 07:09 |
blair | (i could have those slightly out, might only be 7 that is neutral) | 07:09 |
blair | anyway, you end up with a score between -100 and +100 for the survey overall | 07:09 |
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blair | and we got +24, which we're pretty happy with | 07:10 |
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blair | there's also a "more info" field, and then detractors were followed up for more specific info if willing | 07:10 |
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oneswig | That counts as approval, ie 0 is neutral in the final scoring right? | 07:10 |
blair | oneswig: yep that's right | 07:11 |
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blair | that score in general NPS terms is quite good i believe | 07:11 |
oneswig | Great to hear it. Any ideas on why? | 07:11 |
blair | though compared to similar infrastrucutre things it's a bit lower apparently | 07:11 |
blair | most of the detractors had usability or stability gripes | 07:12 |
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oneswig | At least they are fixable, to some degree | 07:12 |
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blair | the stability ones could be largely due to early problems with storage in the initial zone throughout 2012, but also probably because this cloud operates across university datacentres and each year there is usually at least one or two zones offline for a weekend (e.g. power works) | 07:13 |
verdurin | blair: will you be re-running this annually, six-monthly...? | 07:13 |
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blair | yes that's the intention now | 07:13 |
oneswig | priteau: any idea how satisfied chameleon users are? | 07:13 |
blair | but of course just targeting active users and/or user who have recently become inactive | 07:14 |
priteau | oneswig: We haven't run a survey across all users yet. We got some good feedback from users who successfully used the testbed to run experiments and published their results | 07:14 |
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blair | anyhow, wrapping up this item. we have a good pile of data here that may be useful to the UX team, so i'm working to de-identify it and pass it to Piet | 07:15 |
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oneswig | That's a great idea Blair, get more out of it that way | 07:15 |
oneswig | priteau: I saw Paul Ruth talk at Austin with Kate, he seemed pretty pleased | 07:16 |
blair | yeah, as you can imagine a lot of researchers have trouble when you give them Horizon | 07:16 |
oneswig | #idea is there any existing way to feed data like this as input to UX? | 07:16 |
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blair | it doesn't seem like it, currently have a thread going asking various foundation staff | 07:17 |
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oneswig | It's a really useful thing to do, I'll ask around at Cambridge to see if anything similar happens | 07:17 |
blair | ideally it would be passed to the foundation and then they'd pass it to blessed projects, so there are no issues with personal liability | 07:17 |
oneswig | Any more to cover on this agenda item? | 07:18 |
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blair | no let's make use of priteau while we've got him :-) | 07:18 |
oneswig | Blair I'll note an action and move on | 07:19 |
oneswig | #action blair's going to anonymise NPS data for UX purposes | 07:19 |
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oneswig | #topic Blazar and use cases | 07:19 |
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oneswig | priteau: can you give an overview of what it does for Chameleon? | 07:19 |
priteau | Absolutely | 07:20 |
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priteau | So as you may know the Blazar project implements Reservation as a Service for OpenStack | 07:20 |
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priteau | In Chameleon we make use of its ability to reserve physical hosts | 07:21 |
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priteau | Before running any experiments, Chameleon users interact with Blazar (generally through the Horizon dashboard, but it can also be from the CLI) to reserve one or several physical nodes for their experiments | 07:22 |
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priteau | The nodes are exclusively available to them for the duration of their reservation | 07:22 |
oneswig | At a future time, or from now for six days (say) | 07:23 |
priteau | Reservations can start now or at any time in the future | 07:23 |
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blair | priteau: forgive my ignorance, but how does Blazar actually implement that? does it manipulate aggregates or something to make nodes unavailable to nova scheduler and then force-host onto them as required? | 07:24 |
priteau | Our main requirements was to allow running large scale experiments, e.g. using all resources of the testbed | 07:24 |
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oneswig | And if the reservation is accepted, it's essentially a contract with the infrastructure? | 07:24 |
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priteau | for this users can take a reservation some time in advance, which would not be possible if they were just relying on launching on-demand instances with Nova | 07:24 |
verdurin | blair: looks like it uses aggregates | 07:24 |
priteau | blair: yes it manipulates host-aggregates and forces them to be used with a custom Nova scheduler filter | 07:25 |
priteau | users have to pass a scheduler hint to launch instances inside a specific reservation | 07:25 |
priteau | (we've made this process easy to do through Horizon) | 07:25 |
verdurin | priteau: once a reservation has become active, can it be changed? | 07:26 |
priteau | if no scheduler hint is given, Nova will schedule within the set of hosts not managed by Blazar, which in our case is empty, making it mandatory to use Blazar | 07:26 |
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verdurin | For example, if users find they need more resources than they had predicted. | 07:26 |
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priteau | verdurin: only in time, i.e. you can shorten or extend the duration | 07:27 |
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priteau | but they cannot be modified in space | 07:27 |
oneswig | priteau: but there's no segregation between reserved hosts and "on-demand" hosts in the same project, right? | 07:28 |
priteau | this is a feature we would like to have but it is not on our short term roadmap yet | 07:28 |
verdurin | priteau: at the moment, the workaround would be to create a new reservation with immediate start? | 07:28 |
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priteau | verdurin: correct | 07:28 |
blair | ok that's cool, so right now it sounds pretty useful with the main drawback being you have to segregate the reserved infrastructure | 07:28 |
priteau | oneswig: I am not sure I understand your question | 07:29 |
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oneswig | priteau: I meant, all the hosts for a project (blazar-managed or not) could still share the same east-west tenant networks? | 07:29 |
blair | would sure be nice if it worked in tandem with a preempt-able instance feature | 07:30 |
blair | priteau: can you have soft and hard reservations ? | 07:30 |
priteau | oneswig: right, networking is completely independent of Blazar | 07:31 |
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oneswig | priteau: thanks. Who else is using it, do you know? | 07:31 |
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priteau | blair: I believe it is only hard reservations | 07:32 |
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oneswig | blair: are you thinking of something like spot market opportunistic availability? | 07:32 |
blair | oneswig: exactly | 07:33 |
oneswig | blair: me too :-) | 07:33 |
blair | or at least a way to make sure that ephemeral workload can leverage the reserved infrastructure when there is not a reservation active | 07:33 |
verdurin | yes, that's something we've wanted for a long time | 07:33 |
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oneswig | priteau: how much effort do you need to put into maintaining Blazar and keeping it from bit-rot? | 07:34 |
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priteau | oneswig: I had a meeting some time ago with previous contributors to Blazar, from Mirantis & Red Hat. There was someone interested in using it for a project related to NFV, I can't find the name right now | 07:34 |
blair | as it sounds like for a general purpose science cloud where you want this functionality you'd need to hold compute capacity aside for blazar from the rest of your usual on-demand fleet | 07:34 |
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blair | it would definitely be of interest for NeCTAR | 07:35 |
blair | priteau: does it support AZs? | 07:35 |
oneswig | priteau: Chameleon uses Ironic, is Blazar managing those compute nodes or other (virtualised) nodes? | 07:36 |
priteau | oneswig: There was a substantial effort in making Blazar more stable at first, as some basic validation of user input was missing or in some conditions it would fail and leave Nova in a bad state | 07:36 |
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priteau | And as we operate the testbed we regularly make improvements | 07:36 |
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priteau | just last week I fixed an eventlet bug triggered to concurrent operations | 07:37 |
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priteau | blair: I don't know if it supports AZs, we don't use them in Chameleon | 07:37 |
aloga | priteau: how do you handle backfilling of nodes? | 07:37 |
priteau | oneswig: in Chameleon, Blazar only manages Ironic bare-metal hosts, not KVM hypervisor nodes | 07:38 |
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priteau | aloga: we don't, but our use case is very specialized, so I see how this would be needed for a general purpose compute cloud | 07:39 |
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aloga | blair: regarding preemtible instances, you should have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104883/ | 07:39 |
oneswig | This use case is interesting for the Intel-Rackspace OSIC. The idea that people could (to some degree) do self-service reservations of bare metal of arbitrary sizes | 07:39 |
dariov | hello folks! | 07:39 |
priteau | note that in Blazar we use the physical host reservation feature, but there is also support for reserving virtualized instances (which I am not familiar with) | 07:39 |
aloga | priteau: I do see this as a problem, if a user reserves one node with 1 week in advance, the node won't be used during that week | 07:40 |
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blair | aloga: thanks for pointing that out, will definitely review | 07:40 |
aloga | blair: and of course at https://github.com/indigo-dc/opie | 07:40 |
priteau | aloga: I may have misunderstood what you meant by backfilling. If user Alice reserves a node one week in advance, Bob can still reserve the same node now until next week | 07:40 |
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priteau | Blazar makes sure that reservations don't overlap | 07:41 |
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aloga | priteau: maybe it is my lack of knowledge about blazar (I joined late and I was having a look at the logs) | 07:41 |
aloga | priteau: if alice reserves the node in today + 1 week and nobody else reserves that node using blazar | 07:41 |
aloga | the node is not going to be used, as it will be removed from the "normal" nova aggregate | 07:42 |
aloga | right? | 07:42 |
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priteau | aloga: right, so if no other Blazar reservation is made for that node, then it isn't used, at least using the physical host reservation feature of Blazar | 07:42 |
priteau | as I said I am not familiar with the other modes of reservation | 07:42 |
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blair | aloga: opie looks interesting, am i right in thinking it extends the existing nova-scheduler? some of the code looks familiar | 07:43 |
aloga | priteau: thanks for the information :) | 07:43 |
priteau | oneswig: note that for making Blazar and Ironic "play nice together" we had to make some customizations. Blazar expects one nova-compute per physical node, while Ironic is designed to run one nova-compute per cluster | 07:44 |
oneswig | priteau: it sounds like the issue here is that nodes that are reservable by blazar must be partitioned from others, is that the case? | 07:44 |
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aloga | priteau: I think that preemptible instances would be a good complement for blazar, as it would allow to fill the node until the reservation starts | 07:44 |
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aloga | blair: yes, you are right | 07:44 |
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priteau | aloga: yes indeed it would be a good completement | 07:44 |
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aloga | blair: the scheduling algorithm is described in the spec | 07:45 |
aloga | blair: but the plumbing is basically the filtering alrogithm | 07:45 |
priteau | oneswig: yes, when you register hosts to be managed by Blazar then they cannot be used without reservation anymore | 07:45 |
aloga | s/filtering algorithm/filter scheduler/ | 07:46 |
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oneswig | priteau: do you have future plans for developing Blazar not covered yet? | 07:46 |
blair | aloga: which spec, the one you mentioned earlier? | 07:47 |
aloga | blair: the code needs a brush up, I am currently working on this, but I keep you updated | 07:47 |
aloga | blair: yes | 07:47 |
blair | oh ok, i didn't see any reference to "opie" when i had a quick look | 07:47 |
aloga | blair: basically opie's code is the materialization of the spec | 07:47 |
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priteau | oneswig: first, I have many patches to Blazar that I would like to push upstream: https://github.com/ChameleonCloud/blazar/commits/chameleon | 07:47 |
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oneswig | priteau: does Blazar have CI defined for it? | 07:48 |
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priteau | oneswig: for additional development, we would like to 1) improve the resource selection capabilities of Blazar 2) add support for Keystone v3 domains to the Blazar client | 07:49 |
priteau | oneswig: see one of the latest patch posted: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325747/ | 07:50 |
oneswig | priteau: just looked - should have done before asking :p) | 07:50 |
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oneswig | Any more to cover on Blazar? | 07:50 |
oneswig | #topic Reference architectures and user stories | 07:51 |
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priteau | oneswig: there are unit tests and tempest tests | 07:51 |
oneswig | OK, so we have some work underway to document our latest reference architecture at Cambridge Uni | 07:51 |
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oneswig | Not much to report on that. | 07:52 |
oneswig | Just rolling on. | 07:52 |
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oneswig | I am interested to know, is there anything similar for Chameleon, or for Indigo DC, | 07:52 |
oneswig | something that might help the Foundation's pages on how research/scientific compute can be done on OpenStack? | 07:53 |
blair | i'm gonna run folks, might be missing last call for beers! ;-) | 07:53 |
oneswig | Thanks blair, cheers | 07:53 |
aloga | blair: enjoy | 07:53 |
aloga | oneswig: yes, there is | 07:53 |
blair | thanks priteau and aloga! | 07:53 |
priteau | thanks blair | 07:53 |
blair | cya oneswig | 07:54 |
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verdurin | bye blair | 07:54 |
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aloga | oneswig: https://arxiv.org/abs/1603.09536 | 07:54 |
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oneswig | HEP in this case - high energy physics? | 07:55 |
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aloga | oneswig: yes | 07:55 |
priteau | oneswig: we don't have this publicly available yet | 07:55 |
verdurin | oneswig: I know I need to submit something about eMedLab | 07:55 |
priteau | oneswig: is there a particular format that would be needed by the Foundation? | 07:56 |
oneswig | verdurin: that would be great! | 07:56 |
aloga | oneswig: there's also an EU deliverable, but it is a much larger version | 07:56 |
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oneswig | #link www.openstack.org/user-stories - there are case studies linked to from there | 07:57 |
aloga | oneswig: however, the paper is focused on HEP, but indigo goes far beyond HEP | 07:57 |
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oneswig | I think there are other places where the pages are more "live" and link to blogs and external pages that are continually updated | 07:57 |
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oneswig | It would be a great help to contribute case studies to link use cases with people using OpenStack in that way | 07:58 |
oneswig | for example, I think we've all learned stuff today we didn't expect | 07:59 |
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oneswig | Ah, we are out of time for the week. | 07:59 |
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oneswig | Thank you for coming! | 08:00 |
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oneswig | I'll read on with interest | 08:00 |
priteau | oneswig: thank you for inviting me! I hope my input on Blazar was helpful | 08:00 |
aloga | oneswig: thank you for chairing | 08:00 |
oneswig | certainly was | 08:00 |
verdurin | Very interesting, priteau | 08:00 |
oneswig | #endmeeting | 08:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 8 08:01:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-06-08-06.59.html | 08:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-06-08-06.59.txt | 08:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-06-08-06.59.log.html | 08:01 |
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coolsvap | #startmeeting requirements | 12:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 8 12:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is coolsvap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:00 |
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dims | o/ | 12:01 |
coolsvap | #topic rollcall | 12:01 |
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coolsvap | o/ | 12:01 |
IgorYozhikov | o/ | 12:01 |
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coreycb | o/ | 12:02 |
dirk | o/ | 12:02 |
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coolsvap | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 12:03 |
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coolsvap | The review queue is good this week | 12:03 |
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number80 | o/ | 12:03 |
coolsvap | anyone has anything to bring up? | 12:03 |
dims | coolsvap : yes, how to deal with new-release topic reviews - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/requirements+branch:master+topic:new-release | 12:04 |
dirk | good one | 12:05 |
dirk | I think we talked about that a few days ago, right? | 12:05 |
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dims | coolsvap : my proposal is to not merge them immediately as-is. They should be merged AFTER we get confirmation from sniff tests | 12:05 |
toabctl | hi | 12:05 |
dims | so everyone cool with that? | 12:05 |
coolsvap | dims, i am fine with it | 12:05 |
dirk | dims: yes | 12:06 |
coolsvap | and i think thats what we agreed upon when we last discussed | 12:06 |
dirk | dims: only thing I'd love to have is something reporting back whether sniff tests were successful or not | 12:06 |
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dims | dirk : /me too | 12:06 |
number80 | wfm | 12:06 |
coolsvap | dirk, good point | 12:06 |
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dims | dirk : looking at sniff tests output is a bit subjective | 12:07 |
coolsvap | dims, can we work on a poc to add the sniff tests as experimental gate? | 12:07 |
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dims | coolsvap : yes, that's a possible option | 12:07 |
coolsvap | that way we can see the feasibility for checking the results | 12:08 |
coolsvap | and option to increase or modify the sniff tests | 12:08 |
dirk | dims: is it somehow possible to just include the jobs that we care about directly on the requirements repo ? | 12:08 |
dirk | so that we don't have to do those sniff prs ? | 12:08 |
dirk | I am not sure I understand why we have the sniff prs in the other repos rather than having them always run as e.g. experimental gate for changes on the requirements repo itself | 12:08 |
dirk | there are not that many prs per day so the overhead of always running them should be acceptable | 12:08 |
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dims | dirk : i won't have time to drive it. but i highly encourage alternatives | 12:10 |
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dims | will involve talking to infra and folks like sdague and mtreinish and others who know all this stuff inside out | 12:10 |
coolsvap | lets do this | 12:11 |
dims | example : i setup jobs for running oslo.* from master against different py27/34 jobs from other projects periodically - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dims-periodic-jobs | 12:12 |
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dims | i have another one i'd like to share | 12:13 |
dims | http://logs.openstack.org/17/324817/4/check/gate-requirements-tox-py27-with-upper-constraints/9cf40f4/console.html#_2016-06-06_20_24_09_499 | 12:13 |
dims | i have this in progress https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325658/ for fixing that | 12:14 |
dims | so please review that | 12:14 |
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coolsvap | dims, sure thanks for the info | 12:15 |
* dirk is amazed at that PR and has no idea what it does | 12:15 | |
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* coolsvap thinks its related to gate-requirements-tox-py27-with-upper-constraints failure | 12:16 | |
coolsvap | ;) | 12:16 |
dims | dirk : pip install of pykerberos fails, so we need to apt/rpm install some things so the headers etc are present when we try a pip install | 12:16 |
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dims | the files/syntax is magic from infra, i just looked at one of the things they did and follow the same pattern | 12:16 |
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coolsvap | i am not sure if we should add an action item for this? | 12:17 |
dims | nah, just so you know what to do next time :) | 12:18 |
coolsvap | dims, alright lets see the feasibility of the gate job for sniff tests | 12:18 |
dirk | dims: right, I get the problem, I would have just not been able to figure out how to fix that myself | 12:18 |
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dims | dirk : y, lot of grepping involved | 12:19 |
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coolsvap | reiterate in next meetings | 12:19 |
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coolsvap | #topic Tasks from Etherpad | 12:19 |
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coolsvap | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks | 12:19 |
coolsvap | I have done most of the cleanup-cruft for packages not consumed by projects | 12:21 |
dirk | hooray | 12:21 |
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coolsvap | related to it i have one suggestion | 12:21 |
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coolsvap | we need to update it a bit https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/README.rst#for-new-requirements | 12:21 |
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coolsvap | like we need to ask which project will consume new added package | 12:22 |
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dims | coolsvap : +1 to file review for that | 12:23 |
coolsvap | dims, thanks will add this review today | 12:23 |
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dims | for the cruft work, we need to bump up to next level | 12:24 |
dims | for example http://markmail.org/message/lqmx2g3no7z3r6o4 | 12:24 |
dims | we need to get rid of httplib2 from projects | 12:24 |
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dims | so we need to find usages, ping people, do what it takes, it's a bit evangelization, bit outreach etc | 12:25 |
coolsvap | dims, ack lets do this | 12:25 |
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dirk | dims: yeah, but isn't that mostly about creating a feature blueprint /s pec for the relevant project so that they tackle it on their own? | 12:26 |
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dirk | some things like removing discover is easy but others like getting rid of httplib / httplib2 is a lot of work | 12:26 |
dims | dirk : sure, we need to maintain info and follow up | 12:26 |
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dirk | yeah, basically we need to have a master blueprint that we push over a release cycle to deprecate and remove use of a certain library | 12:27 |
dims | y, we need to make a list of libraries we are going to chase cleanup for | 12:28 |
dims | probably maintain an etherpad for this? | 12:28 |
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coolsvap | yes | 12:29 |
coolsvap | we can use the existing etherpad | 12:29 |
dims | sure | 12:29 |
dims | Another one, there's a new kid in the block - pycryptodome (https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pycryptodome) which is a fork of pycrypto | 12:30 |
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dims | some projects we use are trying to switch to it like pysaml2 | 12:30 |
dims | and we ran into issues with Nova for example - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279909/ | 12:31 |
dims | so even though pycryptodome is not in g-c/u-c right now. it will start leaking in and take over i think | 12:31 |
coolsvap | lets add these to the etherpad at the top, most of the existing cruft tasks outlined are done | 12:32 |
dims | i did some experiments a while ago - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/pycryptodome | 12:32 |
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dims | the idea here is to figure out how to transition projects from one to another and tolerate if either one of them is installed in the changeover time period | 12:33 |
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coolsvap | dims, yes | 12:35 |
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coolsvap | #action take remove-cruft to next level and add packages that need replacement or removal to the etherpad with some plan of action | 12:36 |
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coreycb | coolsvap, is this the etherpad you referred to? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-cruft | 12:36 |
coolsvap | coreycb, yes | 12:36 |
coolsvap | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-cruft | 12:36 |
coreycb | coolsvap, ok | 12:36 |
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coolsvap | anything else on this topic? | 12:37 |
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dims | one last tip from me is to talk to folks like dhellmann and haypo (Victor Stinner, working on python3 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Python3) about things that we will end up consuming sooner or later | 12:37 |
coolsvap | dims, noted | 12:39 |
dims | if you see dependencies status on the wiki page, you will get an idea of things that are likely to change soon-ish | 12:39 |
dims | oh, standardization of the ldap libraries, we need to track keystone team's progress and talk to them periodically | 12:39 |
dims | that's all i had :) | 12:40 |
coreycb | dims, I just added ldap to the etherpad | 12:40 |
coreycb | well, it was there but I added a note about using just one. if that's what you meant. | 12:40 |
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dims | right, we need to ping on or before milestone 2 for newton so we know if we'll end up with 2 libs and push towards just one | 12:41 |
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coreycb | dims, ok | 12:42 |
coolsvap | moving on | 12:42 |
coolsvap | #topic Open Discussion | 12:42 |
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coolsvap | seems like we dont have topics for open discussion :) | 12:44 |
dims | fyi, i'll ping existing cores in a week to come up with new members. | 12:44 |
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dims | so i can stop being the sole +2 ... | 12:44 |
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dims | i am hoping all of you had a good chance to learn what's needed to be done here | 12:45 |
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coolsvap | dims, yes i think this is something we should adapt going ahead +2*2 +W | 12:45 |
dims | coolsvap : yes, once we have the new folks joining, we should switch back to regular voting habits | 12:45 |
dims | except for the ones we document as needing a single +2 | 12:46 |
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coolsvap | sure | 12:47 |
coolsvap | any last comments from anyone? | 12:48 |
dims | coolsvap : ask for volunteers for next 2 meetings? | 12:49 |
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coolsvap | any volunteers for next two meetings? | 12:49 |
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coolsvap | dirk, coreycb ^^ | 12:50 |
dims | looks like folks have wandered away :) let's wrap this up. thanks for running the meeting | 12:50 |
coreycb | coolsvap, sure | 12:51 |
coolsvap | dims, yeah will you be able to run the next meeting or you want me to? | 12:51 |
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coolsvap | look we found one :) | 12:51 |
coolsvap | coreycb, will you be able to run the next meeting? | 12:51 |
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coreycb | coolsvap, yes I can, mind sending me info for doing so? | 12:51 |
coolsvap | coreycb, sure will let you know | 12:52 |
coreycb | coolsvap, thanks | 12:52 |
coolsvap | ending today's meeting | 12:52 |
coolsvap | thanks folks for the time :) see you in #openstack-requirements | 12:53 |
coolsvap | #endmeeting | 12:53 |
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joehuang | hello | 13:00 |
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joehuang | hi | 13:00 |
Yipei | hi | 13:00 |
joehuang | hello, Yipei | 13:00 |
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Yipei | hi, Joe | 13:01 |
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joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 8 13:01:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
joehuang | hello, tomorrow is China's public holiday | 13:02 |
zhiyuan | hi | 13:02 |
joehuang | I am afraid some team members will not be available | 13:02 |
joehuang | #rollcall | 13:02 |
joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:02 |
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joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:03 |
Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:03 |
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joehuang | hi Zhiyuan | 13:03 |
zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:03 |
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joehuang | #info the PyPI package has been registered and the publish to pypi job also has been configured | 13:04 |
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joehuang | so it would be good to have a release to test the process work or not, that means if there is a new tag or release | 13:05 |
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joehuang | the package should be able to be published to pypi | 13:05 |
joehuang | and can install Tricircle through pip install | 13:06 |
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joehuang | so I prepare a list of patches which could be cherrypick to the stable/mitaka branch, so that we can have a new tag like 2.0.1 release | 13:07 |
joehuang | please have a look in the maillist | 13:07 |
joehuang | check to see whether it's ok | 13:07 |
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zhiyuan | but previously we tried to cherry-pick to stable/mitaks branch and failed | 13:07 |
joehuang | now this issue has been fixed by infra team | 13:08 |
joehuang | and all patches were successfully merged now | 13:08 |
zhiyuan | cool | 13:08 |
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joehuang | #action cherrypick select patches to stable/mitaka, then have a new tag 2.0.1 in stable/mitaka branch for release | 13:09 |
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joehuang | ok, Yipei, how about your progress in dynamic pod binding? | 13:10 |
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Yipei | i read the source code of nova scheduler, but still don't have idea about how to start designing the framework | 13:12 |
Yipei | it seems a lot work to do | 13:12 |
Yipei | design a filter first? | 13:13 |
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zhiyuan | i think not a filter, but a framework to allow the filter to work | 13:14 |
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joehuang | zhiyuan is correct | 13:14 |
zhiyuan | when nova api gateway starts, load the filters. when provision VM, apply filters to select a pod | 13:15 |
zhiyuan | you should design the interfaces of the filters | 13:15 |
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zhiyuan | like what functions should be implemented, what parameters these functions should have | 13:16 |
joehuang | it's a common functionalities both for Nova and cinder | 13:16 |
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Yipei | ok. i see | 13:17 |
zhiyuan | oh, then cinder api gateway also loads the filters | 13:17 |
joehuang | Hello, Zhiyuan, there is a good news from L2GW? | 13:17 |
Yipei | ok. got it. i will take it into consideration | 13:18 |
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zhiyuan | yes, i have successfully connected two OpenStack instances with L2 gateway. the original L2 gateway plugin is extended to support remote L2 gateway. also, hardware_vtep schema needs to be extended. | 13:19 |
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Yipei | another problem, when i execute unit tests by tox, the error "no module named cinderclient". does it mean i need to run unit tests in complete openstack environment? | 13:20 |
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joehuang | Great news, zhiyuan | 13:21 |
joehuang | #info successfully connected two OpenStack instances with L2 gateway. the original L2 gateway plugin is extended to support remote L2 gateway. also, hardware_vtep schema needs to be extended | 13:21 |
zhiyuan | strange, i remember that tox will install the dependency and cinderclient is in the requirement list | 13:22 |
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Yipei | python-cinderclient is installed in my environment | 13:22 |
joehuang | the cinderclient should be installed in the venv when you execute the tox | 13:22 |
joehuang | tox will start a venv and install dependency in the venv | 13:23 |
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Yipei | i first execute tox -e py27 --notest, and tox install all the dependency | 13:24 |
Yipei | in py27 environment | 13:25 |
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joehuang | no need to plus --notest | 13:26 |
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joehuang | and try in a clean environment | 13:26 |
Yipei | ok, i will try again | 13:26 |
joehuang | good | 13:26 |
Yipei | in a clean environment | 13:26 |
joehuang | other topics? | 13:27 |
Yipei | about my spec file | 13:27 |
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Yipei | do i miss any content in spec file? | 13:28 |
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joehuang | Shinobu's comment not covered | 13:28 |
joehuang | and new patch is needed | 13:29 |
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Yipei | ok, i will add some description about key concept, and update the commit message | 13:30 |
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joehuang | The title of " Add specification file of dynamic pod binding" is not good | 13:31 |
Yipei | ok, i will revise it | 13:31 |
joehuang | Add specification for dynamic pod binding will be better | 13:31 |
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joehuang | "Add specification for dynamic pod binding" will be better | 13:32 |
joehuang | other topics could be discussed in next weekly meeting | 13:32 |
Yipei | ok | 13:32 |
joehuang | let's end the meeting here | 13:33 |
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joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:33 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 8 13:33:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:33 |
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zhiyuan | bye | 13:33 |
joehuang | see you. Have a joyful holiday | 13:33 |
Yipei | bye | 13:33 |
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Zara | anyone about for the storyboard meeting? | 15:00 |
Zara | it's time! | 15:00 |
anteaya | hello | 15:00 |
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Zara | who wants to chair? | 15:00 |
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Zara | guess it's me! | 15:01 |
Zara | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 8 15:01:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
Zara | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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SotK | o/ | 15:01 |
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SotK | sorry | 15:01 |
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Zara | heh, np | 15:01 |
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Zara | no annoucements listed; I miss anything? | 15:01 |
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SotK | I don't think so | 15:02 |
SotK | oh | 15:02 |
SotK | bug day maybe? | 15:02 |
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Zara | ah, okay, was going to bring it up later but can now! | 15:02 |
Zara | Yeah, we're doing a bugsquash | 15:02 |
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Zara | #openstack-sprint, 48hrs, 22nd and 23rd | 15:02 |
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anteaya | yay! | 15:03 |
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Zara | this is for bugs in storyboard. so that gives us a couple of weeks to tag bugs as low-hanging-fruit in preparation | 15:03 |
anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints#StoryBoard_Bug_Sprint | 15:03 |
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anteaya | great | 15:03 |
Zara | in the hopes that it's an easyish way for new contributors to get involved! | 15:03 |
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anteaya | that is the hope | 15:03 |
Zara | so yeah, if you're filing stories that can be classed as low-hanging-fruit in the next coupla weeks, please make that extra effort to tag them | 15:04 |
anteaya | I've filed a bunch of stories but am not really sure how they should be tagged | 15:04 |
Zara | and if you're interested in squashing bugs, hope to see you there! :) or start early, if you want! ;) | 15:04 |
anteaya | so I welcome guidance on that | 15:04 |
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Zara | if you don't know how much work they'll be, it's probably hard to give a set of rules to estimate; I suspect the only way people will know is if they already work on the storyboard code | 15:05 |
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anteaya | yeah, I have no idea | 15:06 |
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Zara | yeah, so probably best not to tag in that case, or for someone who's worked more with the code to tag them later | 15:07 |
anteaya | okay great, thank you | 15:07 |
Zara | np. :) I'll write up an email in a bit if the date works for everyone; this is a good time to check | 15:07 |
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anteaya | dates work for me | 15:07 |
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Zara | cool, if anyone objects they have time to read this and say something in #storyboard in the next hour, I guess! | 15:08 |
Zara | moving on... | 15:08 |
anteaya | awesome | 15:08 |
Zara | #topic Urgent Items | 15:08 |
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Zara | None listed, I miss anything? | 15:08 |
Zara | would assume it's not that urgent if I did and nobody listed it | 15:08 |
Zara | :P | 15:08 |
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SotK | I don't think there's anything | 15:09 |
Zara | #topic In-progres Work | 15:09 |
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Zara | hm | 15:09 |
Zara | #undo | 15:09 |
openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x7fe237645e90> | 15:09 |
Zara | #topic In-Progress Work | 15:09 |
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Zara | there | 15:09 |
anteaya | :) | 15:09 |
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Zara | So, I'm listed as gerrit integration; I haven't done any more work on that as I was on holiday and have now returned to a massive pile of reviews | 15:10 |
anteaya | yup, fair enough | 15:10 |
Zara | I suspect I will be on review-duty for a while to come, so that's on hiatus | 15:10 |
Zara | I mentioned it in the infra meeting, anyway, not much to add to that | 15:10 |
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Zara | zaro did say that the gerrit plugin might only work with an older version of gerrit | 15:10 |
anteaya | he did so | 15:11 |
anteaya | I've been pondering that comment all night | 15:11 |
Zara | (so will repeat that here for wider exposure, in case anyone finds that helpful) | 15:11 |
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Zara | so the first step with the plugin approach will be seeing if the work so far works with current gerrit | 15:11 |
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Zara | then using my horrible python bot as guidance for what we want the plugin to do next | 15:12 |
anteaya | sounds reasonable | 15:12 |
Zara | and if for some reason current gerrit causes insurmountable trouble, we can fall back on the bot, though I think that scenario's unlikely | 15:12 |
SotK | I'm listed as Project Teams, I haven't done anything more on that since last time (patches are still hanging around I think) | 15:13 |
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SotK | I've sent patches for many niggly bugs though | 15:13 |
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anteaya | SotK: what is the status of project teams? | 15:13 |
Zara | yeah, those patches have -1s from verification | 15:13 |
Zara | the teams ones | 15:13 |
SotK | I think its from when there were some issues | 15:14 |
Zara | (they might just need rechecks; I started with things that had a +1 and passed tests) | 15:14 |
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Zara | because did I mention that wall of review? :D | 15:14 |
SotK | they do, something was up with the test nodes I think | 15:14 |
anteaya | there were issues last week, yes | 15:14 |
Zara | SotK: okay, do you mind going through rechecking? | 15:15 |
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SotK | will do | 15:15 |
Zara | (I can do it if it's hassle) | 15:15 |
Zara | just figured you'd know which things were failing for reasons and which weren't | 15:15 |
Zara | since probably still in your recent memory | 15:16 |
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Zara | thanks for the bugfixing patches, too | 15:16 |
SotK | I've also been working on making the events timeline more timeliney | 15:16 |
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Zara | \o/ | 15:17 |
SotK | and less "wall of grey"-ey | 15:17 |
anteaya | can I ask what you mean by timeliney? | 15:17 |
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SotK | I'll push my current state and show you the draft, its probably easier to do that than trying to explain it | 15:18 |
anteaya | SotK: sounds good thank you | 15:18 |
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SotK | this will lead to proper permalinks and no more pagination too | 15:19 |
anteaya | ah wonderful! | 15:19 |
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persia | Shiny! | 15:19 |
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Zara | :) | 15:20 |
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Zara | I'm really happy you've been able to get to this | 15:20 |
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SotK | oh, and threaded comments | 15:20 |
Zara | It's another of those 'this was on my todo list months ago, then it wasn't' things | 15:20 |
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Zara | and YAY | 15:20 |
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SotK | no comment on eta for all that yet though :) | 15:21 |
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anteaya | fair enough | 15:21 |
anteaya | thanks for doing the work | 15:21 |
Zara | by the time it gets to the bugsquash, all the bugs will be squashed! :P | 15:22 |
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SotK | I doubt that somehow | 15:22 |
Zara | aw | 15:22 |
Zara | any other in-progress work? | 15:22 |
anteaya | I'm working on the infra spec | 15:22 |
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anteaya | my first task is to identify stakeholders which I am working on doing | 15:23 |
anteaya | if you have any thoughts on who might be a stakeholder let me know | 15:23 |
anteaya | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/task-tracker.html#work-items | 15:23 |
anteaya | Facilitator identifies feature stakeholders from the OpenStack community | 15:23 |
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Zara | okay, keep us posted! :) | 15:26 |
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anteaya | thanks I will | 15:26 |
Zara | any more for any more? | 15:27 |
anteaya | none from me | 15:27 |
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Zara | in that case... | 15:27 |
Zara | #topic Discussion Topics (bugsquash) | 15:28 |
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Zara | #info we covered that earlier, scroll up! | 15:28 |
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Zara | just for the logs | 15:28 |
Zara | #topic Open Discussion | 15:28 |
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Zara | discuss away | 15:28 |
anteaya | just to say nice work | 15:29 |
anteaya | and thank you | 15:29 |
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Zara | yeah, I've been on holiday, so thanks SotK! | 15:30 |
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anteaya | thanks SotK | 15:31 |
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SotK | np :) | 15:31 |
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Zara | I'm looking forward to events timeline things so much :') | 15:32 |
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Zara | anyway, I don't have anything much to say, can give this meeting 5mins or so jic | 15:33 |
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Zara | ending this meeting in 5 | 15:40 |
Zara | 4 | 15:40 |
Zara | 3 | 15:40 |
Zara | 2 | 15:40 |
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Zara | 1 | 15:40 |
Zara | MEETING ENDS | 15:40 |
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Zara | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 8 15:40:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-06-08-15.01.html | 15:40 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-06-08-15.01.txt | 15:40 |
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openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-06-08-15.01.log.html | 15:40 |
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smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 8 16:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l | 16:00 |
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e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
eharney | hi | 16:00 |
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sheel | hey | 16:00 |
dulek | o/ | 16:00 |
scottda | hi | 16:00 |
jgregor | Hello | 16:00 |
jseiler | hi | 16:00 |
geguileo | Hi | 16:00 |
rajinir | o/ | 16:00 |
diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:00 |
Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
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tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
patrickeast | hi | 16:00 |
smcginnis | Hey everyone | 16:00 |
ntpttr_ | hi all | 16:00 |
adrianofr | hello | 16:00 |
flip214 | hohoho | 16:00 |
smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:00 |
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jungleboyj | Hello! | 16:01 |
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smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review tracking | 16:01 |
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smcginnis | We have a few things there that could use some attention. | 16:01 |
mtanino | hi | 16:01 |
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smcginnis | Could I get at least two cores to put your names down for each of the new driver submissions? | 16:01 |
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bswartz1 | Hi | 16:02 |
smcginnis | Non-cores welcome as well. | 16:02 |
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smcginnis | It would be nice to help these and get them out of the way. | 16:02 |
diablo_rojo | smcginnis: I've been trying to keep up with the driver reviews | 16:02 |
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smcginnis | I have a feeling a few of them are not going to make it in Newton based on the lack of activity, but we'll see. | 16:02 |
smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Thanks! | 16:02 |
hemna | hi | 16:03 |
_alastor_ | hi | 16:03 |
dulek | What's the status of generic volume group blueprint? I see it's not accepted in launchpad. | 16:03 |
smcginnis | Once we get the drivers out of the way, I'm hoping we can just focus on the priorities we've identified for the release. | 16:03 |
smcginnis | dulek: I need to look at the latest update. | 16:03 |
smcginnis | I think the last rev I looked at was pretty close. | 16:03 |
smcginnis | Doesn't look like Xing is here. | 16:04 |
dulek | smcginnis: Ah, okay, it's spec-first, then launchpad bp? | 16:04 |
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smcginnis | dulek: Oh, wait. I can approve the bp. Must have just missed that. | 16:04 |
smcginnis | There are a few blueprints marked as Discussion. I wanted to start bringing them up here so we can talk through them and either approve or get rid of. | 16:05 |
smcginnis | But I didn't get the info pulled together, so I'll try to do that for the next meeting. | 16:05 |
smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cinder-midcycle Midcycle Planning | 16:05 |
smcginnis | Just a reminder for the midcycle. | 16:06 |
smcginnis | If you are going, please add your name there. | 16:06 |
smcginnis | Make sure you book hotel ASAP. | 16:06 |
smcginnis | And whether you are able to attend or not, if you have any topics that should be discussed, please add them to the bottom of the etherpad. | 16:06 |
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smcginnis | scottda: Anything to say about the midcycle? Anything we should be aware of or questions on your end for preparing? | 16:07 |
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scottda | smcginnis: Nope. We're set with the rooms | 16:07 |
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scottda | That's about all I do to prepare :) | 16:07 |
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jungleboyj | scottda: How's the wireless? Do we have google access? | 16:08 |
jungleboyj | ;-) | 16:08 |
scottda | jungleboyj: Good question. Probably will be the same as last time (Google issues) | 16:08 |
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smcginnis | :) | 16:08 |
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jungleboyj | scottda: You gotta stop spamming google with bad requests. | 16:08 |
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diablo_rojo | scottda: Will there be ham sammiches for lunch? | 16:09 |
smcginnis | A little annoying, but we made it work last time. | 16:09 |
scottda | #ban diablo_rojo | 16:09 |
scottda | Hey, is that a real command? | 16:09 |
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smcginnis | Just makes you appreciate all the more how much you use Google. | 16:09 |
smcginnis | :) | 16:09 |
diablo_rojo | scottda: I can still talk :P | 16:09 |
smcginnis | scottda: I think so, but / instead of # :) | 16:10 |
smcginnis | OK, one more thing I wanted to bring up. | 16:10 |
scottda | OK, I'll stop messing with such things. Even if diablo_rojo deserves it | 16:10 |
smcginnis | Please take a look at some of the review info: | 16:10 |
smcginnis | #link http://cinderstats-dellstorage.rhcloud.com/cinder-openreviews.html Cinder Reviews | 16:10 |
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smcginnis | Specifically, at the botton are a few lists based on the longest time. | 16:10 |
smcginnis | If we could get some attention on some of those that have been sitting out there waiting for a while. | 16:11 |
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smcginnis | That would be goodness. | 16:11 |
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smcginnis | Seems to be taking a little longer lately for patches to make their way through, so if we can at least get some of the older ones out of the way it would help. | 16:12 |
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smcginnis | OK, that's all I had. | 16:12 |
smcginnis | Nothing else on the agenda... | 16:12 |
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smcginnis | Any other topics to bring up? | 16:12 |
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smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:13 |
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hemna | smcginnis, any idea when we are going to cut clients/libs ? | 16:13 |
DuncanT | There's the list manageable patch | 16:13 |
DuncanT | Could do with eyes from the people who initially objected | 16:13 |
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smcginnis | hemna: We got the client recently. We're probably about due for a brick release. | 16:13 |
hemna | smcginnis, yah that's what I'm thinking | 16:13 |
smcginnis | I haven't looked at what's merged since the last one. Anything critical we get out there? | 16:13 |
hemna | we should figure out what we want to get in and when we want to cut it | 16:13 |
smcginnis | hemna: Yeah, good idea. | 16:14 |
hemna | we can do that after the meeting | 16:14 |
smcginnis | DuncanT: Do you have that link handy? | 16:14 |
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DuncanT | smcginnis: sorry, no | 16:14 |
smcginnis | e0ne: No need for a brick client release yet, right? | 16:14 |
scottda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285296 for list manageable | 16:15 |
e0ne | smcginnis: I would like to get merged 2 my patches to os-brick | 16:15 |
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hemna | e0ne, which ? | 16:15 |
smcginnis | scottda: Beat me to it! | 16:15 |
hemna | e0ne, nm, I see them | 16:15 |
hemna | e0ne, I'll look at them today | 16:15 |
e0ne | smcginnis: we've got 2 commits since last brickclient release | 16:15 |
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e0ne | hemna: thanks! one of them you reviewed already | 16:16 |
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smcginnis | e0ne: OK, just let me know when you think it's at the point where it would be useful to do another release. | 16:16 |
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e0ne | hemna: the second one is not blocking yet, just cinder's code cleanup | 16:16 |
hemna | it's been a while since the last release | 16:16 |
sheel | e0ne: As we are talking about patches and reviews.. I too want to project API-Ref patch which needs review.. Its blocking other API-Ref patches.. | 16:16 |
sheel | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316587/ | 16:17 |
hemna | e0ne, HP CI passed, so I approved that one | 16:17 |
e0ne | hemna: thanks | 16:17 |
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e0ne | sheel: I'll review it later tonight | 16:17 |
sheel | e0ne: thanks | 16:17 |
e0ne | smcginnis: IMO, we can do release of brick-client now | 16:18 |
smcginnis | Oh, guess I had one other thing. Any object to me blowing away all the old meeting agendas? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:18 |
smcginnis | e0ne: OK, I'll prep for that. | 16:18 |
flip214 | "blowing away" as in "moving to another page"? no. | 16:18 |
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e0ne | smcginnis: 1 new feature and 1 UX improvement | 16:18 |
flip214 | simply dropping? yes. | 16:18 |
e0ne | hemna: do you agree with me? | 16:18 |
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smcginnis | All meetings are captured and logged. I was going to remove the agendas and just link to the archives. | 16:18 |
jgriffith | smcginnis: +1 | 16:18 |
smcginnis | flip214: Yep, dropping. | 16:18 |
flip214 | because I sometimes need to look up certain discussion points - and that is a quick way to find out which logfile to consult. | 16:19 |
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hemna | e0ne, yah | 16:19 |
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hemna | e0ne, I'd like to get the rbd stuff in | 16:19 |
diablo_rojo | it would be much cleaner | 16:19 |
eharney | presumably the history will still be in the wiki anyway, right? | 16:19 |
smcginnis | jgriffith: Probably don't care what the agenda was on Aug 21, 2013. ;) | 16:19 |
jgriffith | smcginnis: exactly :) | 16:19 |
smcginnis | eharney: Yeah | 16:19 |
flip214 | well, if the wiki can give old revisions, I'm fine with that too. | 16:19 |
e0ne | hemna: I'm all for it. let's wait for eharney and/or jbernard reviews | 16:19 |
DuncanT | flip214: It's a wiki, you can always get to the old revisions | 16:19 |
smcginnis | And with the talk of the wiki going away, not sure any of this is worth migrating somewhere else anyway. | 16:19 |
hemna | e0ne, ok sounds good | 16:20 |
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e0ne | eharney: FYI: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326696/ | 16:20 |
flip214 | "always", ha! ;) | 16:20 |
hemna | e0ne, anything that eliminates duplicate code, I'm all for | 16:20 |
e0ne | :) | 16:20 |
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hemna | e0ne, I still have my lvm work that I need to rebase and get done too. | 16:20 |
DuncanT | flip214: apt-get install git-mediawiki and keep a local copy :-) | 16:20 |
bswartz1 | flip214: you can mirror the eavesdrop site and grep the logs too | 16:20 |
e0ne | hemna: I didn't finish all work with RBDConnector yet, but let's do it step by step | 16:20 |
Swanson | (wiki is going away?) | 16:21 |
flip214 | both suggestions are OUCH | 16:21 |
smcginnis | Swanson: That's the talk. | 16:21 |
smcginnis | Too much hassle with spammers and security concerns. | 16:21 |
hemna | e0ne, +1 | 16:21 |
Swanson | smcginnis, and replacing it with? nothing? | 16:21 |
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hemna | smcginnis, :( | 16:22 |
smcginnis | Swanson: TBD. Probably a combination of devref, eavsedrop, and other tools. | 16:22 |
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smcginnis | hemna: yep | 16:22 |
hemna | please don't tell me they want to move to etherpad | 16:22 |
smcginnis | Hah | 16:22 |
hemna | etherpad = ass | 16:22 |
bswartz1 | Wiki will be replaced with Etherpad, because there are no security or spam issues there... | 16:22 |
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hemna | bswartz1, +1 | 16:22 |
jgriffith | devref seems like a way better answer... wiki's suck | 16:22 |
smcginnis | That actually was one piece mentioned to replace some of the content. | 16:22 |
smcginnis | bswartz1: :) | 16:22 |
Swanson | it is the security of etherpad that I like the most. | 16:22 |
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jgriffith | incorrect, outdated black-hole of info | 16:22 |
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flip214 | bswartz1: not yet. | 16:22 |
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smcginnis | Swanson: And it's searchability. | 16:23 |
hemna | so, to put up an agenda, we do a git review on a devref repo ? | 16:23 |
hemna | and have to get +A's for those ? | 16:23 |
smcginnis | hemna: No idea yet. | 16:23 |
hemna | smh | 16:23 |
hemna | I like git and all, but that's just nutty | 16:23 |
jgriffith | hemna: we've done similar things on TC meetings... not as bad as it sounds | 16:23 |
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smcginnis | Probably some different repo or something. A lot of details to work out and discussion to be had before any of that happens. | 16:23 |
Swanson | jgriffith, yes it is. You've been brainwashed. | 16:24 |
jgriffith | smcginnis: yeah... special repo, similar to how specs are dealt with | 16:24 |
dulek | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096481.html - on the Wiki. | 16:24 |
jgriffith | Swanson: haah.. possibly | 16:24 |
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smcginnis | Anyone got anything else? | 16:25 |
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Swanson | just use twitter and hashbrown cinder-meeting, | 16:25 |
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smcginnis | Put our agendas in hipchat, discuss them in Slack, then record them in IRC. | 16:25 |
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smcginnis | And live tweet them too. | 16:26 |
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jgriffith | I would just ask all those complaining about the loss of a wiki, are you spending time keeping all of them accurate and updated? Do you even know where they all are :) | 16:26 |
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jgriffith | smcginnis: oh... that's perfect!!! | 16:26 |
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jgriffith | smcginnis: that's sort of like my current workflow in the new company | 16:26 |
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Swanson | jgriffith, nope. it is a sea of disinformation with the information you're looking for buried like a precious acorn in the ground. The joy of finding it is amazing. | 16:27 |
jgriffith | smcginnis: but you need to throw in Hangouts and Jabber | 16:27 |
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smcginnis | jgriffith: LOL | 16:27 |
hemna | we need an irc bot that tweets | 16:27 |
smcginnis | jgriffith: You must be lovin' life. :) | 16:27 |
jgriffith | Swanson: and there's my point :) | 16:27 |
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hemna | #tweet gerrit UI sucks | 16:27 |
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diablo_rojo | hemna: Does that actually work? | 16:27 |
smcginnis | haha, love it. | 16:28 |
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hemna | diablo_rojo, no, but it should! | 16:28 |
smcginnis | OK, I think we've gone past the point of productivity here. Thanks everyone! | 16:28 |
hemna | :) | 16:28 |
smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:28 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 8 16:28:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:28 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-06-08-16.00.html | 16:28 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-06-08-16.00.txt | 16:28 |
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openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-06-08-16.00.log.html | 16:28 |
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jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:29 |
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sheel | Thank you!! | 16:29 |
e0ne | see you next week! | 16:29 |
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annegentle | er waves | 16:59 |
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jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 8 17:00:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
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JayF | o/ | 17:00 |
jroll | \o | 17:00 |
sambetts | o/ | 17:00 |
rpioso | \o | 17:01 |
krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
cdearborn | \o | 17:01 |
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jlvillal | This snuck up on me as I was getting excited about Grenade :) | 17:01 |
jlvillal | As always the Agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:01 |
jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:01 |
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jlvillal | #info Grenade is almost done. One patch remaining to be merged! | 17:01 |
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rloo | :D | 17:02 |
vdrok | o/ | 17:02 |
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devananda | \o | 17:02 |
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jlvillal | #info Thank you to everyone who has worked on this. I would like to especially thank vdrok and vsaienko for their great work! спасибо! | 17:03 |
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vdrok | :D | 17:03 |
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jlvillal | Those are all the announcements I have before moving on to the Grenade section. | 17:04 |
vdrok | thanks jlvillal | 17:04 |
jroll | \o/ | 17:04 |
jlvillal | Anyone have any announcements? | 17:04 |
jlvillal | vdrok: No, thank you :) | 17:04 |
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jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:04 |
jlvillal | #topic Grenade | 17:04 |
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jlvillal | #info Down to one patch remaining. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316662/ Currently has one +2 and a LOT of +1s | 17:05 |
jlvillal | #info JayF has graciously volunteered to submit a patch to move Grenade jobs from experimental to non-voting | 17:05 |
jroll | ++ | 17:05 |
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JayF | https://review.openstack.org/327246 Upgrade Ironic grenade jobs to -nv in check queue | 17:06 |
jlvillal | #info https://review.openstack.org/327246 Upgrade Ironic grenade jobs to -nv in check queue | 17:06 |
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rloo | when it becomes non-voting, it'll be done for every patch, right? | 17:06 |
jlvillal | As a note Grenade jobs do take a long time to run. About 90 minutes. | 17:06 |
jlvillal | rloo: Correct. | 17:06 |
rloo | OH. 90 minutes. wow. | 17:06 |
jlvillal | rloo: Currently it is experimental. So only ran if someone did a "check experimental" comment | 17:07 |
devananda | jlvillal: what projects' pipelines do you plan to put that job in? | 17:07 |
thiagop | Great job, folks | 17:07 |
jlvillal | Yeah, it basically runs the tests twice. | 17:07 |
jlvillal | devananda: openstack/ironic | 17:07 |
vdrok | oops https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319336/ | 17:07 |
jlvillal | vdrok: ?? | 17:07 |
vdrok | jayf jlvillal ^ | 17:07 |
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vdrok | there is another one already | 17:08 |
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rloo | vasyl is one step ahead of us :) | 17:08 |
JayF | Shouldn't we also have the job -nv on grenade as well? | 17:08 |
JayF | So grenade doesn't break us? | 17:08 |
devananda | JayF: yea, tht's what I was thinking | 17:09 |
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jroll | is partial doing what we expect it to yet? (what does it do today) | 17:09 |
jlvillal | #info We should propose to have the Ironic grenade job as non-voting on the Grenade job. | 17:09 |
JayF | I'll abandon my patch and comment on the one vdrok linked | 17:09 |
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vdrok | thanks JayF | 17:09 |
devananda | JayF: we may or may not be able to make the job voting on grenade itself, but at least maintaining an -nv job there will help us spot issues | 17:09 |
jroll | I don't feel like we should have a non-voting job on partial if it isn't doing what we want (and iirc it isn't) | 17:09 |
JayF | What is the expected difference? | 17:10 |
vdrok | jroll: yep, I think so too | 17:10 |
jroll | JayF: partial should upgrade only conductor, not api | 17:10 |
jlvillal | I am not sure if partial is doing what it should be doing. I haven't dug into it. | 17:10 |
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thiagop | What about the "post" pipeline? | 17:10 |
jlvillal | vdrok: Do you know? | 17:10 |
vdrok | jlvillal: iirc it only does the ironic upgrade | 17:11 |
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vdrok | stops both api and conductor and then starts them again | 17:11 |
jroll | which is useful - but not what we're trying to do (yet) | 17:11 |
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jlvillal | But maybe upgrading too much then? | 17:11 |
jroll | thiagop: that's for jobs that run after merge, tests aren't useful there | 17:11 |
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jlvillal | So jroll, you want partial to only upgrade the conductor. Correct? | 17:12 |
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jroll | yes, that's intended to test the in-between for rolling upgrades | 17:12 |
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thiagop | jroll: since grenade is an "upgrade" job, we could still fix things before the next release if the job is on post, right? | 17:13 |
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jlvillal | #info Grenade partial job should only upgrade the Ironic Conductor service and not the Ironic API service | 17:13 |
jroll | thiagop: idk if I get your point or question? | 17:13 |
JayF | thiagop: post jobs are for things like publishing | 17:13 |
JayF | thiagop: you don't run post jobs to make sure things work, because they're post merge and that's too late | 17:14 |
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jroll | thiagop: the goal is run non-voting for a bit, make sure it's stable, then make it voting in check/gate so we can't merge a break in | 17:14 |
thiagop | jroll: understood | 17:14 |
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jlvillal | jroll: So we think the partial job is currently upgrading both Ironic services. Is that okay to be a non-voting job until we fix it to be only Conductor? | 17:14 |
jlvillal | Or hold off it until it is? | 17:14 |
JayF | I mean the only reason to promote it before it's working would be to avoid another round of reviews | 17:15 |
JayF | which is a silly reason imo | 17:15 |
JayF | and somewhat wasteful of resources | 17:15 |
jroll | thiagop: (fwiw, this is the usual process) | 17:15 |
jroll | yeah, that will just waste resources | 17:15 |
rloo | hold off. why spend 90 minutes on grenade when you don't have to | 17:15 |
jroll | ++ | 17:15 |
thiagop | jroll: I know it is, just thinking about the time it tooks to run | 17:15 |
jlvillal | Are we talking about post jobs or the partial jobs. /me getting confused. | 17:16 |
jroll | thiagop: I think it's worth the extra 30 minutes to make sure we don't break master | 17:16 |
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jlvillal | +++ | 17:16 |
jroll | jlvillal: the partial jobs, would be a waste of resources | 17:16 |
jlvillal | Okay. So only make the one Grenade job voting for now | 17:16 |
jroll | (until they do the right thing) | 17:17 |
jroll | non-voting, but yes | 17:17 |
rloo | right, jroll commented in the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319336/ | 17:17 |
jroll | yep | 17:17 |
jlvillal | Just refreshed and saw. Thanks | 17:17 |
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jlvillal | #info Will want to get the standard Grenade job made non-voting. partial should not be made non-voting until we have partial only upgrading the conductor. | 17:18 |
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jlvillal | Anything else for Grenade? | 17:18 |
jlvillal | Okay. | 17:19 |
jlvillal | Once again thanks to everyone :) | 17:19 |
jlvillal | #topic Functional testing | 17:19 |
sambetts | \o/ | 17:19 |
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jlvillal | Any updates? | 17:19 |
jroll | I have one! | 17:19 |
jlvillal | :) | 17:20 |
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jroll | we decided last week to remove this from the agenda, iirc | 17:20 |
krtaylor | oh, I was going to remove this and General topics | 17:20 |
jroll | until someone is working on it | 17:20 |
jroll | :) | 17:20 |
krtaylor | yes | 17:20 |
krtaylor | :) | 17:20 |
jlvillal | #info remove functional testing from the agenda | 17:20 |
jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party CI | 17:20 |
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* krtaylor is doing that now | 17:20 | |
jlvillal | Thanks | 17:20 |
krtaylor | oh, in asec | 17:20 |
jlvillal | The floor now belongs to krtaylor | 17:21 |
jroll | I keep saying I'm going to get stackalytics updated but I've been lagging on that, apologies :( | 17:21 |
krtaylor | nothing to report from me, anyone have anyhting to discuss? | 17:21 |
krtaylor | jroll, what to update? | 17:21 |
jroll | krtaylor: rather make sure it's up to date | 17:21 |
jroll | e.g. drac driver is missing | 17:21 |
rloo | add an action item for jroll pleez | 17:21 |
krtaylor | jroll, gotcha | 17:21 |
jroll | rloo: it's already on personal todo list, that won't help me (but if it helps you bug me then maybe it's useful) :) | 17:22 |
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rloo | jroll: just something to add to this meeting :D | 17:22 |
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jroll | heh | 17:22 |
jroll | ok | 17:22 |
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jlvillal | rloo: Add it to the Trello board ;) | 17:22 |
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rloo | jroll: is that something that someone else could do instead? | 17:23 |
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jroll | rloo: probably | 17:23 |
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jroll | I tend to try and take gruntwork like that so y'all don't have to | 17:23 |
rloo | jroll: oh, thought it would be good to spread the gruntwork around. | 17:23 |
sambetts | I updated the Cisco drivers on there, shouldn't some of the driver owners be responsible for updating it? | 17:23 |
* rloo doesn't volunteer though | 17:24 | |
jroll | rloo: I'm happy to pass it off | 17:24 |
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krtaylor | I'll take that on | 17:24 |
jroll | the reason I took it is I wanted to make very sure it was accurate | 17:24 |
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krtaylor | I've already crawled through most of it anyway | 17:24 |
jroll | krtaylor: <3, feel free to ping me for a review | 17:24 |
krtaylor | jroll, I can do it and then go over it with you for completeness | 17:24 |
krtaylor | ys | 17:24 |
jroll | ++ | 17:24 |
jroll | thanks | 17:24 |
krtaylor | I've been using this too: http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=ironic&time=7+days | 17:25 |
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krtaylor | for watching what systems are reporting | 17:25 |
jroll | oh nice | 17:25 |
jroll | ++ | 17:25 |
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sambetts | ++ | 17:26 |
krtaylor | its also in the CI status wiki table header | 17:26 |
krtaylor | #link http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=ironic&time=7+days | 17:26 |
krtaylor | oh, jlvillal may need to do that | 17:26 |
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jroll | nah, #link works for everyone | 17:26 |
krtaylor | oh, good | 17:26 |
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jlvillal | krtaylor: You can do it. | 17:27 |
thiagop | nice link krtaylor | 17:27 |
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krtaylor | #action krtaylor to go through stackalytics and make sure all test systems are there, then review with jroll | 17:28 |
krtaylor | anything else from anyone on CI topics? | 17:28 |
JayF | Yes, but not 3rd party ci | 17:29 |
jlvillal | krtaylor: done? | 17:29 |
krtaylor | sure, lets move on | 17:29 |
jlvillal | #topic Open Discussion | 17:29 |
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jlvillal | The floor is open. | 17:30 |
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jlvillal | I think I saw JayF with his hand up... | 17:30 |
JayF | So I obviously got something merged last week to make Ironic jobs use tinyipa and ipxe instead of bigipa and regular-pxe | 17:30 |
JayF | I attempted to prove this lowered time it took to run CI using graphite.o.o, but it looked like wait_time values weren't populated | 17:30 |
JayF | if anyone knows how to navigate that stuff better than I, I'd love to be able to show a difference in speed of CI since the change | 17:30 |
JayF | the pass/fail rate is a little better, but honestly not enough data to make a call there yet | 17:31 |
JayF | that's all I wanted to say/ask | 17:31 |
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jlvillal | Thanks JayF | 17:33 |
jlvillal | Anything else from anyone? | 17:33 |
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JayF | Apparently everyone knows how to grab stats from the gate pipeline as well as I do :P | 17:33 |
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JayF | (that is, not at all, lol) | 17:33 |
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jlvillal | JayF: I'd love to learn how to do that! | 17:34 |
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JayF | so would I, but I spent a little bit of time on it, got nowhere, and couldn't get anyone to help | 17:34 |
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jlvillal | :( | 17:34 |
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JayF | so I moved on to other things since it looks like those stats just don't exist in graphite | 17:34 |
jroll | JayF: might be worth a dev list email | 17:34 |
jroll | so it doesn't get lost in scrollback, and others can pick up on it | 17:35 |
JayF | and it'll be visible to qa and infra people | 17:35 |
jroll | ya | 17:35 |
JayF | Maybe so. Just didn't know if it was important enough to be worth it | 17:35 |
jroll | they're always keen on teaching people how to fish | 17:35 |
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jroll | otherwise people just keep asking one by one | 17:35 |
jlvillal | JayF: I think an email would be worthwhile | 17:35 |
JayF | added it to my todo list | 17:36 |
jlvillal | thanks | 17:36 |
jlvillal | Okay, I think we seem to be done. | 17:36 |
jlvillal | Thanks everyone. Talk next week. | 17:36 |
jroll | thanks jlvillal | 17:36 |
JayF | o/ | 17:37 |
jlvillal | Thanks to krtaylor for covering for me for the last two weeks with one planned and one unplanned absence :( | 17:37 |
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vdrok | o/ | 17:37 |
jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:37 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-06-08-17.00.html | 17:37 |
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annegentle | k, starting doc team meeting! :) | 19:00 |
annegentle | #startmeeting docteam | 19:00 |
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lbragstad | o/ | 19:00 |
annegentle | heya | 19:00 |
strigazi | o/ | 19:00 |
annegentle | Agenda is rolling and is here | 19:00 |
rosmaita | o/ | 19:00 |
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lbragstad | o/ (on behalf of keystone) | 19:00 |
annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:00 |
Sam-I-Am | hello | 19:00 |
annegentle | cool lbragstad | 19:01 |
Sam-I-Am | now at the correct time | 19:01 |
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annegentle | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 19:01 |
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strigazi | o/ (magnum) | 19:01 |
annegentle | I looked through the minutes for this timezone and didn't see any outstanding action items. | 19:01 |
Sam-I-Am | <- neutron-ish | 19:01 |
annegentle | So I think we can move along to the next topic | 19:01 |
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annegentle | #topic Specs in review | 19:01 |
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annegentle | Looks like one spec for training labs | 19:02 |
annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 19:02 |
emagana | HI all! I am around.. | 19:02 |
annegentle | Updated end of May, any questions? Any specs to-be-written or discussed? | 19:02 |
annegentle | hey emagana all around | 19:02 |
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AJaeger | we have enough to do with existing content and specs ;) | 19:03 |
Sam-I-Am | annegentle: i'm working on a networking guide reorg, but its not really worthy of a spec (imo) | 19:03 |
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Sam-I-Am | less overhead = more betterer | 19:03 |
AJaeger | Sam-I-Am: Then it's not a real reorg ;) | 19:03 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am AJaeger yeah, I think what we have in play is good enough | 19:03 |
Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: hmmmmmmmmm :) | 19:04 |
annegentle | there's also tracking of newton ongoing at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables | 19:04 |
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annegentle | though Sam-I-Am no mention of Networking reorg there so might wanna get it on the radar screens | 19:04 |
emagana | Sam-I-Am: I do agree. WE can do the work without the formal spec | 19:04 |
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emagana | annegentle: +1 | 19:05 |
emagana | :-) | 19:05 |
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annegentle | let's get to specialty teams then | 19:05 |
annegentle | #topic Speciality teams | 19:05 |
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Sam-I-Am | annegentle: it sort of came up as more content has appeared in the guide, which i figured it would at some point | 19:05 |
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annegentle | Sam-I-Am yeah organic growth happens | 19:05 |
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annegentle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 19:05 |
annegentle | Let's go down the list in that report's order | 19:05 |
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annegentle | anyone here for HA Guide? | 19:05 |
annegentle | #topic HA Guide | 19:06 |
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annegentle | #info no report from HA Guide team | 19:06 |
annegentle | #topic Install Guide | 19:06 |
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annegentle | We have a name! | 19:06 |
annegentle | Poll concluded, winner is "OpenStack Installation Tutorial" | 19:06 |
annegentle | #info Poll concluded, winner is "OpenStack Installation Tutorial" | 19:06 |
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AJaeger | There's a patch for heat: | 19:06 |
annegentle | ohh linky | 19:06 |
AJaeger | and one for project-config to set up infrastructure: https://review.openstack.org/326039 | 19:07 |
AJaeger | heat: https://review.openstack.org/325389 | 19:07 |
strigazi | and manila: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317152/ | 19:07 |
annegentle | Thanks | 19:07 |
AJaeger | So, we're moving forward with migration to project teams! | 19:07 |
annegentle | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Documentation_Install_Team_Meeting | 19:07 |
AJaeger | great, strigazi | 19:07 |
annegentle | Excellent thanks strigazi | 19:07 |
strigazi | I work on magnum thow | 19:07 |
annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/325389 | 19:08 |
annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317152/ | 19:08 |
rcaballeromx1 | AJaeger: What do you mean with project teams? | 19:08 |
annegentle | strigazi heh that's good though | 19:08 |
rcaballeromx1 | Hi, btw. :D | 19:08 |
annegentle | rcaballeromx1 hiya! | 19:08 |
annegentle | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/newton/installguide.html | 19:08 |
annegentle | rcaballeromx1 that spec outlines how to scale the Installation Tutorial across project teams | 19:09 |
annegentle | project team = heat, manila, trove, etc. | 19:09 |
AJaeger | rcaballeromx1: I mean that the install guides moves into the projects | 19:09 |
annegentle | rcaballeromx1 does that help? | 19:09 |
rcaballeromx1 | Thanks annegentle & AJaeger. | 19:09 |
rcaballeromx1 | It does. | 19:09 |
annegentle | cool | 19:09 |
annegentle | ok | 19:09 |
annegentle | #topic Networking Guide | 19:09 |
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annegentle | Sam-I-Am and emagana go for it, what's up? | 19:09 |
Sam-I-Am | so... | 19:09 |
Sam-I-Am | we're finally seeing a decent number of contribs to the networking guide | 19:10 |
emagana | annegentle: Sam-I-Am already mentioned some of the staff going on | 19:10 |
Sam-I-Am | problem is, they're all ending up in 'advanced config' | 19:10 |
Sam-I-Am | which is misleading, and potentially a mental stumbling block for many potential users | 19:10 |
emagana | also working on moving staff from other guides into the networking one in order to keep a better control and have those sections updated all the time as much as possible | 19:10 |
annegentle | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Networking_Guide_Team_Meeting is the weekly IRC meeting | 19:10 |
AJaeger | Let's rename it to "less advanced config" or something better ;) | 19:11 |
Sam-I-Am | there are also new features that one might consider experimental, or too light on detailed docs | 19:11 |
emagana | annegentle: Yes! | 19:11 |
rcaballeromx1 | custom config? | 19:11 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am good to have the advanced from those who know... long tail of contributions. | 19:11 |
Sam-I-Am | so i'm doing a bit of a reorg that puts all config things under 'config' and experimental-ish things under 'experimental' | 19:11 |
annegentle | "you try it and see and let us know!" | 19:11 |
rcaballeromx1 | non-standard if you want to discourage use of those configs. | 19:11 |
annegentle | that's pretty cool though, kudos | 19:11 |
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Sam-I-Am | that and trying to make the naming a bit more eppo-ish | 19:12 |
Sam-I-Am | like something called config-bgp doesnt just provide config, it explains what it is and also happens to provide config | 19:12 |
annegentle | emagana when you said Moved DHCP HA chapter to Networking Guide -- from where? | 19:12 |
Sam-I-Am | so then it just becomes bgp.rst, and where its linked to determines the category | 19:12 |
Sam-I-Am | also trying to do a bit better integration of the scenarios | 19:13 |
emagana | from the adin guide | 19:13 |
Sam-I-Am | its nice when you have content that gives you a better idea of how it should be organized | 19:13 |
emagana | admin* | 19:13 |
emagana | already completed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323660/ | 19:13 |
Sam-I-Am | prior to this was sort of a guess on structure | 19:13 |
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emagana | annegentle: Now I am working on updates | 19:14 |
annegentle | #info Networking Guide sections moving, renaming, additional explanation. Moved DHCP HA content from Admin Guide to Networking Guide | 19:14 |
Sam-I-Am | i'm also bugging neutron folks to fill out some of the weaker content | 19:14 |
annegentle | emagana Sam-I-Am you want an info line or help line in the notes for meeting attendance or any particular sections? | 19:14 |
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Sam-I-Am | always good to mention our meeting | 19:15 |
Sam-I-Am | as for contributions, the etherpad is the source | 19:15 |
annegentle | #info Looking for attendees at weekly networking guide IRC meeting, join in | 19:15 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am oh, link here to that ether pad too | 19:15 |
emagana | annegentle: Yes, in general we would like to increase the attendance but we know its hard | 19:15 |
Sam-I-Am | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide | 19:15 |
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annegentle | good deal | 19:15 |
annegentle | anything else on Networking? | 19:15 |
Sam-I-Am | thats a general list of topics we're looking to fill out | 19:16 |
annegentle | #topic Security Guide | 19:16 |
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emagana | annegentle: not from my siede! | 19:16 |
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annegentle | Do we have anyone from the security team? | 19:16 |
annegentle | I can't remember Nathaniel Dillon's IRC handle. hrm | 19:16 |
annegentle | #info no report from Security Guide | 19:16 |
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annegentle | #topic User Guides | 19:16 |
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annegentle | IA plan still forthcoming, unless I missed it on the ML. | 19:17 |
annegentle | Had some nice input on the SDK pages | 19:17 |
annegentle | though those aren't yet architected for a final landing spot :) | 19:17 |
annegentle | I'll await the IA | 19:17 |
rcaballeromx1 | IA? | 19:18 |
annegentle | Anything else on user guides? Did the magnum team have input there? | 19:18 |
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annegentle | IA=Information Architecture (what goes where) | 19:18 |
rcaballeromx1 | Thanks. | 19:18 |
annegentle | sure. basically the spec originally had the SDK info moving to developer.openstack.org rather than docs.openstack.org | 19:18 |
annegentle | anything else on user guides? | 19:18 |
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* annegentle #topic Ops Guide | 19:19 | |
annegentle | Since Shilla's in training I don't know if anyone else has an update? | 19:19 |
annegentle | #info no report from Ops Guide team | 19:19 |
annegentle | #topic API Guides | 19:19 |
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annegentle | I'll take that | 19:19 |
annegentle | We should be able to delete the Compute API content from api-site, on the review I'm looking for whether we do redirects in that patch or in another | 19:20 |
annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306884/ | 19:20 |
annegentle | Also, check out nice new styling | 19:20 |
annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322430/ | 19:20 |
annegentle | and | 19:20 |
annegentle | #link https://api.os.gra.ham.ie/compute/ | 19:21 |
annegentle | Really looking nice and neat. We're still figuring out a cross-project-api navigation bar but this aligns more with the modern web design. | 19:21 |
annegentle | Kudos to Graham | 19:21 |
annegentle | #info New layout for API reference docs from additions to openstackdocs theme. | 19:22 |
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annegentle | #info Much gratitude to Graham Hayes! | 19:22 |
rosmaita | +1 | 19:22 |
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AJaeger | +2 | 19:22 |
annegentle | #info Discussion on SDKs and FirstApp audience happening on user-committee list | 19:22 |
annegentle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-May/000889.html | 19:22 |
annegentle | I'm not one of the authors on the First App, so I'd like input on that list from some of the original authors. | 19:23 |
Sam-I-Am | mmm, that api layout is nice | 19:23 |
annegentle | #info Seeking input on FirstApp audience from original authors | 19:23 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am pretty responsive too | 19:23 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am and the tables don't suck | 19:23 |
rcaballeromx1 | Who are the original authors? | 19:23 |
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annegentle | rcaballeromx1 Tom Fifield, Sean Collins, Christian Berendt | 19:23 |
rcaballeromx1 | Thanks! | 19:24 |
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* annegentle #link http://developer.openstack.org/firstapp-libcloud/ | 19:24 | |
annegentle | Oh, and James Dempsey too | 19:24 |
annegentle | #link http://www.openstack.org/blog/2015/07/writing-your-first-openstack-application/ | 19:24 |
annegentle | That's all from API landia. | 19:24 |
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annegentle | #topic Config/CLI Reference | 19:25 |
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annegentle | #info Tomoyuki reported they are closing bugs in Mitaka, including fixes to RST markup. | 19:25 |
annegentle | Nice work. | 19:25 |
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Sam-I-Am | yeah, there's plenty of config ref things in the queue | 19:25 |
Sam-I-Am | i spent half my day in it yesterday | 19:26 |
annegentle | #info Lots to review for config ref | 19:26 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am good to know | 19:26 |
Sam-I-Am | they're mostly small and easy | 19:26 |
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annegentle | #topic Training labs | 19:26 |
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annegentle | Pranav or Roger around? | 19:26 |
annegentle | rluethi or dguitarbite (iirc) | 19:26 |
annegentle | #info Spec for pxeserver in review, also updating the training labs landing page | 19:27 |
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annegentle | That's what I know from reading. | 19:27 |
annegentle | #topic Training guides | 19:27 |
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annegentle | Do we have Matjaz? It might be late for him | 19:27 |
annegentle | #info Working on upstream training updates | 19:27 |
annegentle | That's all I know from reading there too | 19:28 |
annegentle | #topic Hypervisor Tuning Guide | 19:28 |
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annegentle | Haven't seen updates for a while on that one. | 19:28 |
Sam-I-Am | yeah, me neither | 19:28 |
Sam-I-Am | seems like vapor :/ | 19:28 |
annegentle | #info no info on Hypervisor Tuning Guide | 19:28 |
annegentle | #topic UX/UI Guidelines | 19:29 |
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annegentle | Let's see anyone for UX here? | 19:29 |
rcaballeromx1 | I uploaded something for UX | 19:29 |
annegentle | Looks like by this Friday a draft for the guidelines will be ready | 19:29 |
rcaballeromx1 | UX Personas. | 19:29 |
annegentle | rcaballeromx1 cool, have a link I can post for the notes? | 19:29 |
rcaballeromx1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326662/7 | 19:29 |
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annegentle | thanks rcaballeromx1 | 19:30 |
rcaballeromx1 | My pleasure. | 19:30 |
annegentle | Lots of review comments, nice. | 19:30 |
annegentle | Okay I'll wrap up specialty team reports then | 19:31 |
annegentle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 19:31 |
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annegentle | #info Specialy teams, use that etherpad to fill in weekly status updates | 19:31 |
annegentle | #topic Countdown to release | 19:31 |
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annegentle | #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20161006T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Newton+Launch+Date&font=slab | 19:31 |
annegentle | 119 days means less than four months right? | 19:32 |
Sam-I-Am | yet another release... | 19:32 |
Sam-I-Am | give or take | 19:32 |
annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables | 19:32 |
rcaballeromx1 | By a day. | 19:32 |
annegentle | ^^ that's the scope of the docs work for Newton to the best of my knowledge | 19:32 |
Sam-I-Am | oh no, a wiki :) | 19:32 |
Sam-I-Am | docs task 1 - get rid of wiki :) | 19:33 |
annegentle | Though also the specs | 19:33 |
annegentle | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/ | 19:33 |
Sam-I-Am | the networking guide isnt in there. do we need to put things there? | 19:33 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am I'm not entirely sure, ask loquacities on the ML the intent with that. | 19:33 |
Sam-I-Am | nothing super critical going on, just trying to make it better | 19:33 |
annegentle | yeah | 19:33 |
rcaballeromx1 | Is the Config Reference Guide not a Newton deliverable? | 19:33 |
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annegentle | rcaballeromx1 it is, I think that wiki page needs an update :) | 19:34 |
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annegentle | and the networking guide is versioned, so I imagine it should go on there too | 19:34 |
rcaballeromx1 | annegentle: Ok. | 19:34 |
annegentle | Ok, opening it up | 19:34 |
Sam-I-Am | we need to version more things :/ | 19:34 |
annegentle | #topic Open discussion | 19:34 |
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Sam-I-Am | there was some discussion at the summit about versioning more stuff, and keeping certain things around longer | 19:35 |
Sam-I-Am | did that ever get anywhere? | 19:35 |
Sam-I-Am | bueller? | 19:36 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am I only know about the networking guide versioning. And then we also talked about adding a version menu to say Client doc pages. | 19:36 |
rcaballeromx1 | I guess I get to introduce myself. I am a Sr. tech. writer at Intel and will be helping out where I can. Starting with the UX-Personas. | 19:36 |
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annegentle | python-projectclient for example | 19:36 |
annegentle | rcaballeromx1 awesome thanks for the intro | 19:36 |
rcaballeromx1 | I'm based in sunny Guadalajara, Mexico. | 19:36 |
annegentle | rcaballeromx1 sweet! Are you with Marcela's team? | 19:37 |
Sam-I-Am | annegentle: net guide versioning was done last release | 19:37 |
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AJaeger | welcome, rcaballeromx1 ! And sorry for my quick reviews without a friendly welcome to your first patch! | 19:37 |
annegentle | rcaballeromx1 AJaeger is super fast on the review button :) | 19:37 |
rcaballeromx1 | annegentle: No, but I will be working with them. | 19:37 |
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Sam-I-Am | things like the admin guide might be useful to version | 19:37 |
emagana | one more "paisano" in the team! welcome rcaballeromx1 | 19:37 |
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rcaballeromx1 | AJaeger: No problem, next time you can put them in German, I did live 15 years in Germany. :D | 19:38 |
annegentle | emagana hehe I had to look that up even though I live in Tejas :) | 19:38 |
AJaeger | rcaballeromx1: ;) | 19:38 |
emagana | annegentle: ;-) | 19:38 |
annegentle | I am working on a governance patch to try to get a handle on what projects have which docs. | 19:39 |
annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316396/ | 19:39 |
annegentle | governance, exciting, I know. | 19:39 |
annegentle | :) | 19:39 |
annegentle | feel free to post ideas... still a work in progress | 19:39 |
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annegentle | The other patch in progress is to try to figure out which projects provide a REST API and therefore should have API docs | 19:40 |
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annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317094/ | 19:40 |
Sam-I-Am | hmmm interesting | 19:40 |
Sam-I-Am | what we need is something makes devs contribute docs :) | 19:40 |
annegentle | what I've discovered is that per-repo isn't quite right nor is per-project... | 19:40 |
rcaballeromx1 | Is the api content pulled from the projects' code bases? | 19:40 |
annegentle | rcaballeromx1 yes, as of this release, some is ongoing migration this release. | 19:41 |
rcaballeromx1 | So that won't be the case in the future? | 19:41 |
Sam-I-Am | annegentle: does that sort of thing need a... "operatordocs" or "userdocs" tag? | 19:41 |
annegentle | rcaballeromx1 used to be in a central api-site repo. | 19:41 |
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Sam-I-Am | so people know there's a clear delineation between dev docs and not-dev docs? | 19:41 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am yeah, the idea is to add on in categories | 19:42 |
strigazi | annegentle: are there instructions for creating API-docs | 19:42 |
strigazi | annegentle: fetching out patch... | 19:42 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am yaml might be better represented with say docs: - contributordocs - apidocs - installdocs and so on | 19:42 |
Sam-I-Am | maybe docs: contributor: xxx user: xxx or somesuch | 19:42 |
annegentle | strigazi sure | 19:42 |
rcaballeromx1 | strigazi: That was going to be my next question. | 19:42 |
strigazi | annegentle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317368/ | 19:42 |
annegentle | strigazi you have this right | 19:42 |
Sam-I-Am | yeah, yaml in irc is hard | 19:42 |
annegentle | #link http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/api-guides.html | 19:42 |
Sam-I-Am | but i think we were thinking the same thing | 19:43 |
annegentle | strigazi ah, thanks,hadn't seen that one yet | 19:43 |
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rcaballeromx1 | annegentle: Is there something similar for Configs? | 19:43 |
annegentle | rcaballeromx1 thinking | 19:43 |
Sam-I-Am | annegentle: do you want me to comment on that patch? | 19:43 |
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strigazi | Sam-I-Am: magnum's patch? | 19:44 |
annegentle | rcaballeromx1 start with http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/tools-and-content-overview.html | 19:44 |
Sam-I-Am | strigazi: the governance patch | 19:44 |
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strigazi | Sam-I-Am: ok | 19:44 |
annegentle | Sam-I-Am sure on the governance patch | 19:44 |
rcaballeromx1 | annegentle: Thanks. | 19:44 |
annegentle | strigazi anything you need on the magnum patch? | 19:44 |
annegentle | strigazi I will say I still want web design for the connecting navigation between project's API docs | 19:45 |
annegentle | strigazi nice to see progress made though. | 19:46 |
annegentle | ok, anything else? | 19:46 |
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strigazi | annegentle: I don't have the right questions yet :) | 19:46 |
Sam-I-Am | busiest docs meeting in a looooong time | 19:46 |
annegentle | I'm happy to end early if we're all good | 19:46 |
annegentle | strigazi yeah, understandable :) | 19:46 |
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annegentle | strigazi I can answer questions as you go | 19:46 |
annegentle | Okie doke thanks all for being here | 19:47 |
annegentle | #endmeeting | 19:47 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 8 19:47:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:47 |
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rcaballeromx1 | Thank you everybody, looking forward to working with you! | 19:47 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-06-08-19.00.html | 19:47 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-06-08-19.00.txt | 19:47 |
AJaeger | thanks annegentle for chairing! | 19:47 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-06-08-19.00.log.html | 19:47 |
annegentle | :) | 19:47 |
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strigazi | great meeting cheers | 19:47 |
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Sam-I-Am | thx | 19:48 |
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lbragstad | sorry - wrong window | 19:55 |
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notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 8 21:00:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
notmyname | hello. who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:01 |
timburke | o/ | 21:01 |
kmARC | o/ | 21:01 |
jrichli | yo | 21:01 |
mmotiani | hi | 21:01 |
kota_ | o/ | 21:01 |
hurricanerix | \o/ | 21:01 |
dmorita | o/ | 21:01 |
sgundur1 | hi | 21:01 |
mathiasb | o/ | 21:01 |
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pdardeau | o/ | 21:01 |
cschwede | o/ | 21:01 |
joeljwright | evening | 21:01 |
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* onovy | 21:02 | |
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notmyname | welcome, everyone | 21:02 |
cutforth | o/ | 21:02 |
notmyname | agenda this week is | 21:03 |
notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
acoles | here | 21:03 |
notmyname | most of these topics should go pretty quickly | 21:03 |
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notmyname | #topic 2.8.0 release | 21:03 |
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notmyname | release has been tagged and approved (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326771/) | 21:03 |
notmyname | well, will be tagged whenever the bots get done with that patch | 21:03 |
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notmyname | https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/CHANGELOG has all the highlights in it | 21:04 |
notmyname | thanks, everyone, for all the great stuff in this release | 21:04 |
notmyname | any questions about the release? | 21:04 |
notmyname | ok | 21:05 |
notmyname | #topic bugs arising from transpations | 21:05 |
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notmyname | #topic bugs arising from translations | 21:05 |
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notmyname | patch 323950 is still in progress | 21:05 |
patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323950/ - swift - Refactor locale tests and fix unicode issue | 21:05 |
notmyname | I think that's the only update there | 21:05 |
notmyname | cschwede: anything else about that one? (or acoles or timburke) | 21:06 |
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cschwede | acoles and timburke had a look at it; that was really helpful - thx! apart from that - needs reviews | 21:06 |
notmyname | ok | 21:06 |
acoles | thanks cschwede for working on a fix and test improvement | 21:06 |
acoles | my french vocabulary has increased :) | 21:07 |
notmyname | heh | 21:07 |
notmyname | #topic rolling upgrade testing | 21:07 |
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notmyname | cschwede: same status here? waiting on -infra reviews? | 21:07 |
notmyname | anything we can do from our side? | 21:07 |
cschwede | nothing new, i rebased my patch, passes, and yes - just waiting | 21:07 |
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notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297311/ | 21:07 |
patchbot | notmyname: patch 297311 - openstack-infra/devstack-gate - Run swift services on subnode | 21:07 |
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notmyname | that's the one, right? | 21:08 |
cschwede | no | 21:08 |
cschwede | patch 304465 | 21:08 |
patchbot | cschwede: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304465/ - openstack-infra/devstack-gate - Use subnodes for Swift storage nodes in a multinod... | 21:08 |
notmyname | I always click the wrong one | 21:08 |
cschwede | no worries, my comment on 297311 links to the other :) | 21:08 |
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notmyname | ok | 21:09 |
notmyname | #topic hackathon | 21:09 |
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cschwede | the important test is gate-tempest-dsvm-multinode-full | 21:09 |
notmyname | here's a fun topic | 21:09 |
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notmyname | cschwede: ack | 21:09 |
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notmyname | hurricanerix is hard at work setting up logistics for the hackathon next month | 21:09 |
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notmyname | details are at | 21:09 |
notmyname | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-swift-july-2016-hackathon-tickets-25913773795 | 21:10 |
notmyname | you can register there so we can properly plan for who will be there | 21:10 |
notmyname | hotel info should be added Real Soon Now. waiting on the bigwigs at rackspace to sign some papers, I think | 21:10 |
notmyname | hurricanerix: any updates/ | 21:10 |
notmyname | ? | 21:10 |
hurricanerix | also, my email filters have been kinda weird lately, so if you emailed me any questions and i haven't replied, just poke me in irc to make sure i saw it. | 21:11 |
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hurricanerix | no updates yet, still trying to get the hotel finalized. should be soon. | 21:11 |
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notmyname | ok. i'll add that info and email everyone (via eventbrite) as soon as the info is published | 21:12 |
notmyname | any questions for myself or hurricanerix about the hackathon? | 21:12 |
mathiasb | are there any other hackathons planned for later this year? | 21:13 |
notmyname | mathiasb: likely not. the openstack foundation is organizing a big "joint hackathon/midcycle" thing between barcelona and the following summit | 21:13 |
notmyname | the Project Team Gathering, IIRC | 21:13 |
notmyname | in february, but details haven't been finalized | 21:14 |
joeljwright | sounds like a Highlander movie | 21:14 |
notmyname | joeljwright: I'll bring my sword | 21:14 |
nadeem | is it for improving cross-collaboration and solving our problems with gevent/uvloop? | 21:15 |
notmyname | nadeem: of course ;-) | 21:15 |
nadeem | ;) | 21:15 |
notmyname | ok, moving on then :-) | 21:15 |
notmyname | #topic crypto update | 21:15 |
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notmyname | I've been hearing great things from acoles and jrichli__ this week on this topic! | 21:16 |
notmyname | last critical patches to feature/crypto have landed? and acoles has a review branch all queued up? | 21:16 |
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acoles | I just removed the final must-have review form priority review list, meaning we should be ready to propose to a crypto-review branch | 21:16 |
notmyname | fantastic! | 21:16 |
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acoles | mahatic timburke and jrichli__ have been finding improvements but I think we are "stable" enough | 21:17 |
notmyname | next step is for acoles and myself to get the review branch proposed to master | 21:18 |
acoles | of course I anticipate plenty of comment and change on crypto-review :) | 21:18 |
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notmyname | here's how I think that's going to look | 21:18 |
notmyname | acoles will propose the patch chain to master as a set of patches with one merge commit into master | 21:18 |
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notmyname | the individual patches will each be a "step in the journey" to help you understand the whole | 21:19 |
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notmyname | you can either review each patch or just the whole thing at once (ie the merge commit diff), but it's the merge commit that will be approved and landed to master | 21:19 |
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acoles | notmyname: that sounds different, I thought we'd use another feature branch? not that I have any preference. | 21:20 |
notmyname | I'll likely put a -2 on the merge commit initially to "plug" it until we've got enough reviews on it | 21:20 |
notmyname | acoles: no, I wasn't meaning for it to sound different. I didn't mention "new feature branch" because I wanted to experiment with something first (ie do we actually need it), but the process should be the same regardless | 21:20 |
notmyname | so, yeah, it's very likely all this will be in a feature/crypto-review branch | 21:21 |
clarkb | what is the purpoae of a second feature branch? | 21:21 |
acoles | notmyname: ok. you'll have to teach me the "merge commit" part. | 21:21 |
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notmyname | clarkb: it's what we've done in the past for storage policies and erasure codes. it's the simplified versions of the work that's been done | 21:22 |
clarkb | I see | 21:22 |
notmyname | clarkb: didn't we have this same conversation last year about ec and the year before about polices? ;-) | 21:22 |
clarkb | basically the reviewable representation | 21:22 |
clarkb | maybe | 21:22 |
notmyname | right | 21:22 |
notmyname | clarkb: but, we *might* not need to do that. I want to check something first and see what the gerrit experience is | 21:23 |
notmyname | if there isnt' an upstream branch and it's proposed as a merge commit | 21:23 |
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clarkb | ok, moatly just curious. either way should work | 21:23 |
acoles | clarkb: yes, a short chain of patches that comprise the final state of the original feature branch, that is easier for reviewers to digest. | 21:23 |
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notmyname | acoles: actually, the process should be exactly the same as the merge-to-master stuff. just swapping the source and dest | 21:23 |
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acoles | notmyname: ah, i wondered if that might be the case. | 21:24 |
* acoles has learnt to remember '-R' :) | 21:24 | |
notmyname | clarkb: if we need it, I'll likely be coming to -infra with that request in the next day or two | 21:24 |
notmyname | acoles: are the patches ready to go locally for you? | 21:25 |
acoles | notmyname: I need to add the recent tweaks, basically timburke's recent patch that is in flight to merge. But that shouldn't take long. So tomorrow I will have them ready. | 21:26 |
notmyname | ok | 21:26 |
notmyname | so for everyone.. | 21:26 |
notmyname | like with the previous big merges, we'll all need to review this one | 21:26 |
notmyname | if you weren't aroudn for EC or storage policies, that's ok | 21:26 |
notmyname | here's how it works | 21:26 |
notmyname | we have a soft-freeze on master. unless there's something critical and/or everyone (especially acoles) knows about it, don't review land stuff on master until the crypto branch lands | 21:27 |
notmyname | everyone review the crypto branch | 21:27 |
notmyname | leave your reviews as normal, and acoles will be managing the patch chain in gerrit | 21:28 |
notmyname | a feature branch like this should take more than the normal 2 +2s. we want to make sure we've got a lot of eyes on it and a lot of people understand what's going on | 21:28 |
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acoles | +1 to that | 21:29 |
cschwede | notmyname: the soft-freeze date is not known yet, right? | 21:29 |
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notmyname | cschwede: getting to that :-) | 21:29 |
notmyname | of course, since a lot of people have worked on this feature, we'll get the "I can't approve my own code" viewpoint. but leave your review anyway. nobody did 100% of the crypto work | 21:29 |
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notmyname | and if you're not a core reviewer, your reviews still matter a lot. please leave lots of comments | 21:30 |
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notmyname | basically, before the crypto branch lands, we want a lot of people to have looked at it, understand it, and be happy with the changes it's making | 21:30 |
notmyname | I'm expecting that the review process will take about 2 weeks. at least that's the initial budget we'll allow | 21:31 |
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notmyname | I don't expect that we'll have enough good-enough reviews sooner than that | 21:31 |
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notmyname | and I hope we don't have to extend that too much (or at all) | 21:31 |
notmyname | but in two weeks we can re-evaluate | 21:31 |
notmyname | I looked at what's outstanding right now (open patches). the good news is that there doesn't seem to be any big, critical thing, and we just did a release | 21:32 |
notmyname | so it seems that now's a really good time to start the crypto reviews | 21:32 |
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notmyname | the timer starts, though, when the patch chain is proposed | 21:33 |
notmyname | does that make sense to everyone? is everyone ok with that? | 21:33 |
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notmyname | (your affirmative answer instead of silently agreeing is helpful here) | 21:33 |
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acoles | makes sense | 21:33 |
timburke | seems good | 21:33 |
cschwede | sounds good, so we’re probably done before the hackathon which is great! | 21:33 |
kota_ | agreed | 21:34 |
joeljwright | seems like a good approach :) | 21:34 |
dmorita | sounds good to me | 21:34 |
jrichli__ | y | 21:34 |
pdardeau | how much does a reviewer need to know about (understand) about the specifics of the encryption (crypto details)? | 21:34 |
acoles | can I add a couple of things... | 21:34 |
acoles | pdardeau: that's one of my things :) | 21:34 |
notmyname | acoles: yes, please :-) | 21:34 |
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acoles | the first few patches make supporting changes to core swift code without introducing any encryption specific concepts - and there are some pretty significant changes there | 21:35 |
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notmyname | (eg adding the multipart mime/footers stuff to replicated policies instead of just EC policies) | 21:36 |
acoles | adding the encryption middleware is pretty well isolated to the final couple of patches | 21:36 |
notmyname | there will be about 7 or 8 total patches, right? | 21:36 |
acoles | notmyname: yes, that's one, and adding metadata support, and changing how we override container update headers | 21:36 |
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acoles | notmyname: yes. 7 I think. | 21:36 |
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acoles | there's one that just adds generic tests and shuffles test helper code around | 21:37 |
acoles | so plenty of scope to get involved even if you have no care for the encryption pieces | 21:37 |
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notmyname | so no excuse to not review the patch chain :-) | 21:38 |
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acoles | My second point was please don't push changes over the gerrit review - usually that is fine for a small fix - but here it will make managing the chain of dependencies harder | 21:38 |
acoles | but please do link to diffs that i can apply if you have suggestions for better code | 21:39 |
notmyname | +1 | 21:39 |
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notmyname | pdardeau: sound good? | 21:39 |
acoles | finally, and touching on pdardeau question again, there is an overview doc patch that could be a good place to start understanding the encryption side. | 21:40 |
pdardeau | yep! | 21:40 |
notmyname | any other questions about the crypto review process? | 21:40 |
mmotiani | sounds good to me as well. thanks acoles :) | 21:41 |
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notmyname | yep. huge thanks to acoles, jrichli__, mahatic, and others for getting the crypto branch ready. and acoles will have a lot of work in front of him managing the patch chain | 21:42 |
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notmyname | it's a great feature | 21:42 |
notmyname | let's move on to the last topic | 21:43 |
notmyname | #topic golang status update | 21:43 |
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notmyname | the TC meeting yesterday brought the golang decision to a vote | 21:43 |
notmyname | the proposal was "golang is allowed as a supported language across openstack projects" | 21:44 |
notmyname | although the TC agreed with our technical reasoning, they rejected the proposal because of the feared impact to the community as a whole and the ability for people to do cross project work | 21:44 |
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joeljwright | :( | 21:44 |
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notmyname | the next step is for me to work with dims on crafting a proposal for the TC to allow swift to use golang as a special exception | 21:45 |
notmyname | so here's what didn't happen | 21:45 |
notmyname | the TC did not decide to kick swift out of openstack | 21:45 |
notmyname | the TC did not mandate that swift needed to be broken into different repositories | 21:45 |
notmyname | those are good | 21:46 |
notmyname | I'm disappointed in the result, but some of the proposed outcomes would have been much worse | 21:46 |
redbo | Maybe we should flirt with some other foundations and make them jealous. | 21:46 |
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notmyname | that being said, while I keep working on the politics-of-openstack-governance side of things, as a project, we're still going forward with what we talked about in austin | 21:47 |
notmyname | we still have the feature/hummingbird branch | 21:47 |
notmyname | the technical reasoning for using golang still stands | 21:47 |
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notmyname | the agreement amongst ourselves to go forward with using golang for the object server still stands | 21:48 |
notmyname | the next steps are to further define what the specific limits of the golang code we want to bring into master are | 21:49 |
notmyname | (which I had hoped to make more progress on by this point, but someone I got distracted by some rather epic mailing list threads) | 21:49 |
notmyname | *somehow | 21:49 |
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notmyname | so the conclusion from yesterday's TC meeting is that I need to do some different yet-to-be-defined things with the TC, but nothing else has changed | 21:50 |
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notmyname | if you're frustrated by the whole situation, I completely understand. I'm right there with you | 21:50 |
notmyname | please feel free to pm me, email me, call me, whatever and vent :-) | 21:51 |
notmyname | please don't ragequit :-) | 21:51 |
* notmyname looks at dfg_ | 21:51 | |
dfg_ | huh? | 21:51 |
notmyname | dfg_: don't ragequit ;-) | 21:51 |
redbo | he enjoys rage too much to quit | 21:51 |
dfg_ | ya- 4:30 ragequite. 4:45 start drinking , other stuff | 21:52 |
notmyname | so...what questions do you have? | 21:52 |
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nadeem | what are the chances that the new proposal will not receive the same treatment? | 21:53 |
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notmyname | nadeem: well, I have to believe that it won't, otherwise there's just lots of despair and unhealthy habits ;-) | 21:54 |
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notmyname | but seriously, based on what the TC said in yesterday's meeting and on the ML, having a per-project special case seems to be the direction that most TC memebers seemed to dislike the least | 21:55 |
timburke | yeah, the TC seemed to fundamentally agree that golang is the right move for swift. just not the rest of openstack | 21:55 |
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joeljwright | is being 'the special project that can use golang' just a precursor to being forced out though? | 21:55 |
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nadeem | okay | 21:55 |
nadeem | or to graduate :D | 21:56 |
dfg_ | :) | 21:56 |
joeljwright | the 'you guys don't play nice' feeling is already pretty strong | 21:56 |
notmyname | as long as I'm ptl, I'm going to do my best to make sure that swift is focused on solving end-user/deployer problems, and as long as we're doing that, I can deal with the politics. and golang is the right technical choice that benefits users | 21:56 |
notmyname | so that's what I'll keep pushing for | 21:56 |
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joeljwright | notmyname: I'm glad you continue to be willing to take all this crap on your shoulders | 21:56 |
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acoles | notmyname: IMO you are handling a difficult situation with great patience and wisdom. thanks for your efforts. | 21:57 |
joeljwright | ^^^ what acoles said :) | 21:57 |
nadeem | Is it true that TC didn't know about the golang experiment? | 21:57 |
nadeem | earlier I mean | 21:57 |
notmyname | nadeem: I find that hard to believe | 21:57 |
dfg_ | they were all at my "OMG objects" talk i think :p | 21:58 |
nadeem | because it seems like they were surprised by the proposal | 21:58 |
notmyname | but swift is an openstack project, and it's good for us to be part of openstack. we have a larger community of contributors, more exposure to users, and frankly a great marketing platform by being an openstack project. although there are frustrations that come with it, I don't want to seriously entertain the idea of not being part of openstack | 21:58 |
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pdardeau | nadeem: i had the same impression, and that's why i asked nearly the exact same question here a little earlier | 21:59 |
notmyname | nadeem: dfg_: in addition to a ML post I send out over a year ago, you've got talks at 3 summits | 21:59 |
nadeem | true | 21:59 |
notmyname | please feel free to reach out to me if you have questions or concerns about anything going on | 21:59 |
acoles | pdardeau: nadeem It's hard to be sure from irc minutes but I only really detected that sense of surprise on the part of one TC member | 21:59 |
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notmyname | looks like were at our end meeting time | 22:00 |
notmyname | feel free to continue discussing in -swift, of course | 22:00 |
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onovy | not sure if i should ask :), but patch 238799? | 22:00 |
patchbot | onovy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238799/ - swift - Change schedule priority of daemon/server in config | 22:00 |
notmyname | thanks for coming, everyone. it's a privilege to work with you on swift | 22:00 |
notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 8 22:01:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-06-08-21.00.html | 22:01 |
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notmyname | onovy: :-) | 22:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-06-08-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-06-08-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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onovy | notmyname: exactly i was not going to bed only because of it | 22:01 |
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notmyname | onovy: ah, sorry | 22:01 |
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notmyname | onovy: didn't mean for you to stay up and not get it discussed | 22:01 |
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notmyname | onovy: looks like mattoliverau is looking at it. clayg has, but is on vacation at the moment. I'd like to take a look too | 22:03 |
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notmyname | onovy: like you, I think it's a good idea that should land. it's starred so that it's listed on priority patch lists | 22:04 |
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onovy | notmyname: it's starred for long long time | 22:04 |
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onovy | notmyname: but let's continue in -swift | 22:04 |
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