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| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jun 24 14:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping: ttx, dims, lifeless, tonyb, stevemar, fungi | 14:00 |
| fungi | yuppp | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | our agenda is under R-15 in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-tracking | 14:00 |
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| * dhellmann suspects he has trained ttx to expect this meeting to start late | 14:01 | |
| dhellmann | #topic automation update | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "automation update (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:01 | |
| ttx | o/ | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | fungi, how're things looking? | 14:01 |
| fungi | let's see | 14:02 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/333065 Add a node for artifact signing jobs | 14:02 |
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| fungi | that looks ready to merge (along with a cleanup it depends-on) | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | \o/ | 14:03 |
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| fungi | i've got the signing subkey distribution automation worked out and tested, next up is writing some more detailed documentation on generating/rotating/signing/revoking keys each cycle | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332447/ import the release scripts we need to run on the secure nodes | 14:04 |
| fungi | though there's already some basic prose documentation in there about the intended process, just nothing cut-n-paste worthy yet | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | k | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | when 333065 lands, are we ready to start writing the job definition to do the tagging? | 14:04 |
| fungi | but as soon as 333065 merges i can build the server in a matter of minutes | 14:04 |
| fungi | pretty much, yep | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | excellent | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | I'll be at the TC training thing next week, but I'll plan to start working on that job the following week | 14:05 |
| fungi | i'll want to do a couple final pre-flight checks on the server to make sure gpg --sign operations work as expected without having to tweak anything | 14:05 |
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| dhellmann | sure | 14:05 |
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| fungi | but i have confidence my prior testing will be consistent | 14:05 |
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| dhellmann | and the first version of the job will only actually do work for the openstack/release-test repo so we can get the kinks worked out | 14:05 |
| fungi | perfect! | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | we'll continue tagging everything else by hand in the mean time | 14:06 |
| fungi | i didn't realize you had that repo | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we set that up late last cycle specifically for testing some of these scripts | 14:06 |
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| fungi | the other addition i'll want to make to that manifest in a folow-up patch (simple enough) is to add the gerrit ssh keys for the "proposal bot" account, or we can create a separate account specifically for tags | 14:07 |
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| fungi | but i wanted to make sure the gpg bits were working correctly before i went further on the puppet end | 14:07 |
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| dhellmann | makes sense | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | and I can see pros/cons to setting up a separate account | 14:08 |
| fungi | same | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | should we work through that now, or is that a discussion for later? | 14:08 |
| fungi | we can try to hack through to a decision quickly now if it won't derail your planned meeting agenda | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | let's take 5 min | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | aside from having to manage another set of keys and another identity in gerrit, what's the biggest con to setting up a "release bot" account? | 14:09 |
| fungi | i think the main reason for a separate account is because the proposal bot currently has no special privileges, just "brand recognition" | 14:09 |
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| fungi | biggest con is probably having to make sure places we account for the proposal bot as a non-human actor would need updating for the second account | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | in scripting? or in acls? | 14:10 |
| fungi | for example, summit invites/electoral rolls, people's custom mail filters, whatever | 14:10 |
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| dhellmann | true | 14:11 |
| fungi | if we want the proposal bot to push tags, it needs to be in a group which has push-signed-tag access to every release-managed repo | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | oh, here's another: the release.sh script proposes a change to the requirements repo to update it for new versions of libs | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | so that job is both tagging and proposing | 14:11 |
| * stevemar sneaks in | 14:12 | |
| fungi | true. for that case we could either 1) have the proposals associated with that use the tag bot account, or 2) write the job to use two accounts (one for the tag, one for the change) | 14:12 |
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| dhellmann | having them use the tag bot account seems reasonable | 14:13 |
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| fungi | the main risk is that the proposal bot account is used by lots of other jobs which don't need elevated privs, so granting it tag access to every repo is an increase in our risk profile | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | otoh, if setting up a separate account is going to delay implementation I may be more inclined to just use the existing account | 14:13 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, the security side of it was one reason I was initially leaning toward having a new account | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | well, that and branding | 14:14 |
| fungi | it wouldn't really delay implementation. i can create additional gerrit accounts quite quickly/easily | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | ok, cool | 14:14 |
| fungi | the brand recognition is the only remaining sticking point really | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | and those other things like summit invitations and elections we can deal with as they come up? | 14:14 |
| fungi | right, those two tasks are handled by one script, and it's already extensible to allow us to specify a list of account ids to ignore | 14:14 |
| fungi | just need to add one more to that list | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | ok, so not that big of a deal | 14:15 |
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| dhellmann | so I think I'm on the side of a new account, unless there's a significant blocker for some reason. | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | as much as I'd love to come up with a clever name, something like "OpenStack Release Bot" is probably better | 14:15 |
| fungi | right, so it comes down to elevated privs for proposal bot plus tags aren't really being "proposed," vs people might wonder who this is pushing tags and what these update proposals are coming from this new account | 14:16 |
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| fungi | also worth noting, the signing key being used is (currently) named like "OpenStack Infra (Newton Cycle) <infra-root@openstack.org> | 14:16 |
| fungi | " | 14:16 |
| fungi | #link http://p80.pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x64DBB05ACC5E7C28&fingerprint=on&exact=on newton cycle artifact signing key | 14:16 |
| mordred | \o/ | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | ok, we should get the release team to sign that | 14:17 |
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| fungi | yep, also i want it signed by a majority of infra-root sysadmins before we start using it seriously | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | yep | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | ok, I think that's settled? | 14:17 |
| fungi | i just need to write up the instructions on how they can validate the key fingerprint locally on our management bastion | 14:18 |
| fungi | (part of the instructions i'm already working on) | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | should we wait for that, too? | 14:18 |
| fungi | not for testing, no | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | I meant for signing | 14:19 |
| fungi | so anyway, i guess the plan is to make a separate gerrit account "OpenStack Release Bot <infra-root@openstack.org>" and push tags and the associated proposals for release updates with it | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | yes, that seems best | 14:19 |
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| dhellmann | #agreed requirements team spin out (dims) | 14:20 |
| fungi | dhellmann: you might want to hold off havign the release team sign it until we have a bunch of infra-root signatures published for it, just so you can be comfortable signing. since you don't have an out-of-band mechanism to verify the key | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | #undo | 14:20 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Agreed object at 0x7fc2af0cb1d0> | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | #agreed make a separate gerrit account "OpenStack Release Bot <infra-root@openstack.org>" and push tags and the associated proposals for release updates with it | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | fungi : good point | 14:20 |
| fungi | that's all i have | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | cool, thanks | 14:20 |
| fungi | sorry to suck up a big chunk of the meeting | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | oh, no worries, this is our major initiative this cycle so it's good to spend the time on it | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | #topic requirements team spin out (dims) | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "requirements team spin out (dims) (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:21 | |
| dhellmann | I didn't see dims raise his hand as present | 14:21 |
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| ttx | It feels like this is well in progress | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | I know he had signed up a bunch of new folks for the review team, and was working on cajoling some of them to run for ptl | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | I don't think it's blocked on anything at the moment | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | #topic ACL dance process final review (ttx) | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ACL dance process final review (ttx) (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:22 | |
| ttx | I summarized the plan in the etherpad | 14:22 |
| ttx | let me fetch that | 14:23 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-plan | 14:23 |
| ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-plan under Final Release Process Improvements | 14:23 |
| ttx | item 9 | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | how much of that do you anticipate being able to script? | 14:23 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: see actions | 14:24 |
| ttx | ideally everything | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | k | 14:24 |
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| ttx | but we may do eth ACL patches be hand this time around | 14:24 |
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| ttx | by* | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | ok | 14:24 |
| ttx | i'll try to cover all those step | 14:24 |
| ttx | s | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | if we're not going to automate it to start, good instructions will help us build a script next cycle | 14:25 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: do you agree with the action plan ? | 14:25 |
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| dhellmann | yes, this plan looks good | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | this is the sort of thing that I was thinking we'd want in a release manager's guide | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | so when we start that, we can add the instructions to it | 14:26 |
| * dhellmann notes that's on his todo list still | 14:26 | |
| dhellmann | anything else on this? | 14:26 |
| ttx | no, copying the action list to my todo | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | ok, moving on then | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | #topic Release model changes | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release model changes (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:27 | |
| dhellmann | #link aodh https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331212/ | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | #link searchlight-ui https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333420/ | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | both of these make sense, and I've voted +1 on them | 14:27 |
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| ttx | yep so the first one makes aodh independent | 14:27 |
| ttx | or just the client? | 14:28 |
| ttx | oh, just the client | 14:28 |
| ttx | dhellmann: IIRC there was some issue with making clients independent | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | oh, hmm, I didn't look at that as closely as I should, I thought it was the whole project | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I don't think we want to do this | 14:29 |
| fungi | what's the issue with making clients independent when servers are managed? | 14:30 |
| fungi | just curious | 14:30 |
| ttx | fungi: trying to remember | 14:30 |
| fungi | heh | 14:30 |
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| dhellmann | they want to not create stable branches, which means we have to allow new versions from master into the server stable branch dependency list | 14:30 |
| ttx | basically for oslo libs and clients, independent makes sense. yet we don't make them independent, because... | 14:30 |
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| fungi | oh, got it | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | and that means that the new master release of the client, which may try to raise minimum versions of other dependencies, may cause issues in the stable branch test environments | 14:31 |
| ttx | fungi: that's how it was and we changed it | 14:32 |
| fungi | yeah, that becomes a mess | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | now I think the telemetry team has been removing themselves from the requirements sync list, but I don't know if that's the case here | 14:32 |
| fungi | i missed that release:independent meant that they _wouldn't_ have stable branches | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | but it does mean that at some point we have to cap or exclude new versions | 14:32 |
| ttx | fungi: if you do, that means you're with-intermediary really | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | fungi : they can, but this patch says they don't plan to (that's the justification for the change) | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:32 |
| fungi | right | 14:33 |
| fungi | sorry to derail with questions | 14:33 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I'll let you argue that one, my week is almost over | 14:33 |
| ttx | fungi: no they help | 14:33 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I'll post on the review after the meeting | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : ^^ | 14:33 |
| ttx | the other one is no brainer | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | the searchlight-ui change is less controversial | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:33 |
| dims | ttx : dhellmann : taking delivery of a sofa :) | 14:33 |
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| fungi | basically it might work _if_ they're not used by any other projects and we choose not to add them to global reqs in the future | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | so under the new rules I think it's safe for you to approve that | 14:34 |
| dims | so not really here :) | 14:34 |
| ttx | yep | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | dims : ack, np | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | fungi : I don't think that applies to aodh | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | but yeah, in general, a completely independent thing can do this | 14:34 |
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| jd__ | fungi: that works if we don't have crazy requirements and if stable/* things just cap the client if needed | 14:35 |
| jd__ | IIUC | 14:35 |
| fungi | and right, aodhclient is still in the global requirements list right now | 14:35 |
| jd__ | aodhclient is not widely used but it might be used by Heat at some point | 14:35 |
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| fungi | jd__: well, the challenge becomes how to apply security updates to a version of aodh used (and capped) by stable branch projects if there are any, without making stable branches for aodhclient | 14:36 |
| jd__ | fungi: right | 14:36 |
| jd__ | does that work if I said we decided not to implement security flaws? | 14:36 |
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| fungi | and there's no real control over that other than taking it out of global requirements and making sure it doesn't get added back | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think we need aodhclient to go ahead and continue to create stable branches, even if you leave them largely unmaintained | 14:36 |
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| dhellmann | if you have no backports, that's no big deal | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | but if you do, and there's no branch, that's all sorts of trouble | 14:37 |
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| * jd__ nods | 14:37 | |
| fungi | and having it in global requirements means other projects _can_ depend on it without you necessarily even finding out | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:38 |
| jd__ | yeah that sounds fair enough | 14:38 |
| fungi | so we don't know we've gotten into a sticky situation until it's too late and we have to try hacky workarounds | 14:38 |
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| jd__ | we were mostly worried that people would keep on stable/* branch of aodhclient and except us to backport fixes and all, and we'll never do that unfortunately (unless we become very rich) | 14:38 |
| fungi | (granted, our requirements management is already a pile of hacky workarounds, just not as bad as the ones we might have to fall back on) | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : it's not uncommon to have very inactive client stable branches | 14:39 |
| fungi | i cite swift | 14:39 |
| jd__ | good to know | 14:39 |
| fungi | in fact, most of the clients have very inactive stable branches | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | fungi : I'd have to look, but I think most of them are pretty inactive | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we don't get a lot of call for stable client releases | 14:40 |
| fungi | yeah, i wouldn't be surprised if the majority still have the branch tip as a release tag from before they branches | 14:40 |
| fungi | branched | 14:40 |
| jd__ | cool, I guess I'll just abandon the patch :) | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | so this is just a safety measure for when we need it, but jd__ I don't think you need to worry about downstream expectations of a lot of maintenance on your part | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | ok, cool | 14:40 |
| * jd__ nods | 14:40 | |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 14:40 |
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| * dhellmann makes a note to document the reasoning for this *somewhere* | 14:41 | |
| jd__ | that'd be a good idea indeed :) | 14:41 |
| ttx | dhellmann: PTG maybe in the section about choosing models ? | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | ttx: good thinking | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | ok, moving on | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | #topic moving release tools | 14:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "moving release tools (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:41 | |
| dhellmann | #link remove from release-tools https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332448/ | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | the patch to add the scripts to project-config has already merged, so it should be safe to remove them from release-tools | 14:42 |
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| ttx | yeah, I'm resisting the move because we are still supposed to run the scripts by hand | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | yes, but I want to make sure we aren't maintaining 2 copies | 14:42 |
| ttx | so we'd run them from project-config ? | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | and I also want to make sure the new copies have all of their dependencies set correctly | 14:43 |
| fungi | add an extra step to the manual process to clone project-config and copy/link there? | 14:43 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: yes, I've done that for one tag this week and it seemed to work fine, but you know how many edge cases there are | 14:43 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: hmm | 14:43 |
| ttx | how are we getting the right deps in venv there.. let me check | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | fungi : it should only be necessary to check it out once, as long as that repo is dept up to date | 14:44 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: there's a requirements.txt file in the jenkins/scripts/release-tools directory | 14:44 |
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| dhellmann | the scripts don't create their own virtualenv, because when they run on the secure node they need to use system packages | 14:44 |
| ttx | ah. | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | I'll need to get help setting that up when I define the job | 14:45 |
| ttx | dhellmann: maybe update the instructions at the top of the README then | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | so theoretically you *should* be able to do the same thing you do now | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | good idea | 14:45 |
| ttx | just need to create an additional venv under that project-config subdir | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I'm ok holding off on deleting the files until we get back from ann arbor next week, if you'd prefer that | 14:46 |
| fungi | right, we don't want to be pip installing anything on that machine if we can help it | 14:46 |
| fungi | even in a venv | 14:47 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: I'm fine approving the move if the instructions are clear enough for me to be able to survive it | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'm fairly sure we established that all of these things are available in system packages, so we just need to use pip for manual runs | 14:47 |
| fungi | (well, more that we don't want to be _using_ pip-installed anything on that machine with access to the private key) | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ok, I'll work on that | 14:47 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : yep | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | we have a couple of other quick items | 14:48 |
| fungi | reduces the number of parties we need to trust with the ability to backdoor us to our cloud provider, our distro, and our team | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | when the time comes, I'll just need a pointer to an example of how to declare those dependencies properly. I guess using bindep? | 14:48 |
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| fungi | for this we're using puppet, but we can just put a list of package names into the puppet manifest | 14:49 |
| dhellmann | sounds good | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | #topic stop merging tags | 14:50 |
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| fungi | i'm happy to add them as long as you give me a list of the names of teh packages on ubuntu trusty | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333421/ | 14:50 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : ok, I'll work that list out when I sit down to write the job | 14:50 |
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| dhellmann | so this is the project-config patch to remove the job for merging tags from stable branches into master | 14:50 |
| fungi | so we have consensus on 333421? | 14:51 |
| dhellmann | That was my impression of the ML discussion, yes. | 14:51 |
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| fungi | since mordred and ttx were the original drivers for that being added, and have both expressed consent, and i don't see any dissent, i'm happy to merge it now or whenever you want it to land | 14:51 |
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| dhellmann | now seems as good a time as any :-) | 14:52 |
| fungi | fire in the hole | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | we definitely want it before we start doing final tags this cycle | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | cool | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | one more item | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | #topic pbr / reno integration | 14:52 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330814/ | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | there's something weird going on with the integration job there, and I need to look into it | 14:53 |
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| dhellmann | but reviews are welcome in the mean time | 14:53 |
| dhellmann | and that's it for the formal agenda | 14:53 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 14:53 |
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| dhellmann | note for the record: all 3 of the release team are traveling next week | 14:54 |
| dhellmann | I included that in the countdown email yesterday | 14:54 |
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| dhellmann | I'll try to do some releases monday morning before going to the airport, and I don't know what the break schedule for the leadership training thing is going to be like | 14:55 |
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| dhellmann | if there's nothing else we can stop a few minutes early | 14:55 |
| fungi | i got nothin' | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | ok, good time before my next meeting :-) | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | thanks everyone! | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jun 24 14:56:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-06-24-14.00.html | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-06-24-14.00.txt | 14:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-06-24-14.00.log.html | 14:56 |
| ttx | dhellmann: thx! | 14:57 |
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