Thursday, 2016-07-14

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thinrichs	courtesy ping: ekcs, masahito, ramineni, aimeeu	00:01
thinrichs	#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting	00:01
openstack	Meeting started Thu Jul 14 00:01:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	00:01
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aimeeu	hello everyone	00:01
masahito	hi	00:01
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ramineni_	hi	00:01
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ekcs	hi	00:02
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thinrichs	Hi all	00:02
thinrichs	Agenda for today…	00:02
thinrichs	1. Newton 2	00:02
thinrichs	2. Barcelona talks	00:02
thinrichs	3. Status	00:02
thinrichs	Anything else?	00:02
ekcs	gating issue.	00:03
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thinrichs	ok	00:04
thinrichs	One other thing.. using Reno for release notes	00:04
thinrichs	4. Gating	00:04
thinrichs	5. Reno	00:04
thinrichs	Let's knock a couple of these out quick...	00:04
thinrichs	#topic Newton 2	00:04
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thinrichs	Newton 2 is this week.	00:04
thinrichs	I pushed the changes necessary for the release, updated launchpad, etc.	00:05
thinrichs	So that should be mainly done, except for getting the patches merged	00:05
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thinrichs	Newton 3 is the end of August	00:05
thinrichs	So about 6-7 weeks	00:05
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thinrichs	We released both the server and the client.	00:06
thinrichs	Questions?	00:06
thinrichs	#topic Barcelona	00:06
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thinrichs	A reminder that today in about 4 hours is your last chance to submit a talk for the summit	00:06
thinrichs	Questions, comments?	00:07
ekcs	are there client changes we’re looking to make in N?	00:07
thinrichs	ekcs: nothing specific that I know of	00:07
ekcs	ok.	00:08
thinrichs	Except perhaps for masahito's change where datasource config will be updatable	00:08
thinrichs	Are you still planning on that, masahito?	00:08
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masahito	on client side?	00:09
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thinrichs	Yep	00:09
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thinrichs	If you're adding API calls to the server, I assume we're adding client-side commands to match	00:10
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masahito	I'm not sure how we need to change client codes now, I'll check it by next meeting.	00:10
thinrichs	I'd imagine we'd want people to be about to write something like...	00:11
masahito	s/how/how much/	00:11
thinrichs	openstack congress datasource config update …	00:11
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thinrichs	ekcs: you were asking because clients get frozen before the servers, right?	00:12
thinrichs	so we'd need to get those changes in earlier	00:12
masahito	ok	00:12
ekcs	right.	00:12
thinrichs	masahito: that's something to be aware of—both the API and the client changes need to merged earlier than the server changes	00:13
thinrichs	Moving on…	00:13
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thinrichs	#topic Reno	00:14
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thinrichs	There's a new tool out (Reno) that's supposed to help us write release notes at we make the code changes	00:14
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thinrichs	So the idea is that when you make a change that should have a release note, you include in your change a file that describes the release note	00:15
thinrichs	Then the release notes are automatically generated for the release	00:15
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thinrichs	At least, that's what I understand.	00:15
thinrichs	Here's a thread on the ML about it.	00:15
thinrichs	http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/098335.html	00:15
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thinrichs	The way it works is that we add a tox target that we run manually whenever we want to add one of these files to a commit	00:16
thinrichs	and the tox target generates a file that we edit and include in our change.	00:16
thinrichs	Then we send our change to gerrit as usual	00:16
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thinrichs	It's something to look into	00:17
thinrichs	That's all I have on that topic. Anyone else?	00:18
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thinrichs	#topic Gating	00:19
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thinrichs	Haven't checked recently. What's going on with the gate	00:19
thinrichs	?	00:19
ekcs	really quick thing. gate-congress-new-arch-devstack timeouts a lot.	00:20
ekcs	anyone know how to increase the time limit?	00:20
ekcs	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1599991	00:20
openstack	Launchpad bug 1599991 in congress "tempest test timeouts" [Medium,New]	00:20
thinrichs	ramineni: not off the top of my head. do you know?	00:21
ekcs	can comment on the bug later if we want to move on to saev time.	00:21
ramineni_	no .. i have to check	00:21
masahito	timeout on executing Tempest, right?	00:21
ekcs	right.	00:21
masahito	When I check dse2 I hit this.	00:22
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masahito	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1600171	00:22
openstack	Launchpad bug 1600171 in congress "Some API takes a long time before returning 404" [Low,New]	00:22
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masahito	It could cause the timeout issue.	00:23
ekcs	interesting. good to know.	00:23
ekcs	I think we can move on.	00:24
thinrichs	ramineni: do you know if we're making calls to non-existent nodes in the tempest tests?	00:24
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ramineni_	thinrichs: no, i dont think so ..	00:25
ekcs	we’re definitely checking for datasources that don’t yet exist in the HA test.	00:25
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ekcs	but that’s not the same thing.	00:25
ramineni_	ekcs: right, that could also take time.. ill have a look	00:25
thinrichs	Good to keep that in mind	00:25
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thinrichs	thanks ramineni	00:26
thinrichs	moving on...	00:26
thinrichs	#topic Status	00:26
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thinrichs	ekcs: want to give us a status update?	00:27
ekcs	I added the HA tasks to launchpad.	00:27
ekcs	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/high-availability-design	00:27
ekcs	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bugs?field.tag=haht	00:27
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ekcs	submitted patch allowing ExecutionDriver to handle exec requests from replicated PEs. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339965/	00:27
ekcs	Also digging and asking around to see if there is a way to (at least partially) automate the identification of blocking calls in Python code.	00:27
ekcs	Similar to what I did manually here: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335721/	00:27
ekcs	Ideally, all new code could be annotated automatically to help us identify thread-safety issues in review. It can easily happen that I change a method A (say add an rpc call), which introduces blocking calls into a bunch of things that use method A through many layers of calls.	00:27
ekcs	That’s all from me.	00:27
thinrichs	Looks like you and masahito have been digging into that ExecutionDriver patch. Anything to discuss?	00:29
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ekcs	I think we’re mostly on the same page. Anything you want to discuss, masahito ?	00:30
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masahito	Nothing to discuss for the patch.	00:31
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masahito	I'll quick review latest patch after this meeting.	00:32
thinrichs	ekcs: it'd be cool to auto-identify new blocking issues	00:32
thinrichs	let us know what you find.	00:33
ekcs	thinrichs: ok. it’s theoretically not hard, but I don’t know if there is a good existing tool.	00:33
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thinrichs	As reviewers we should all be especially careful with API changes, since that seems to be the most obvious place for those	00:33
thinrichs	masahito: want to do a status update?	00:34
masahito	ok	00:34
masahito	starting to pick up HAHT stuff.	00:34
masahito	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1600011	00:35
openstack	Launchpad bug 1600011 in congress "HAHT - API routing to support replicated PE" [High,New] - Assigned to Masahito Muroi (muroi-masahito)	00:35
masahito	and checked datasource manager dependency.	00:35
masahito	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339385/	00:35
masahito	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339386/1	00:35
masahito	I noticed we already get rid of datasource manager in dse2	00:36
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masahito	b/c the tempest test in second patch succeed.	00:36
masahito	that't from my side.	00:36
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thinrichs	Yep—datasource mgr functionality is part of dsenode now	00:36
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ekcs	masahito: would you be interested in picking up this piece? since you’re most experienced with Pacemaker.	00:37
ekcs	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1602853	00:37
openstack	Launchpad bug 1602853 in congress "HAHT - Resource agents for Pacemaker integration" [High,New]	00:37
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ekcs	possibly instead of the API routing.	00:37
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masahito	no problem	00:38
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ekcs	awesomeness	00:39
thinrichs	ekcs: are there other pieces of HAT you're looking to offload?	00:39
masahito	Which do we prefer to documenting or implement a custom resource agent?	00:39
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ekcs	I think either would work fine? But i’d defer to you on that.	00:40
masahito	I think documenting is simpler for user who is not familir with Congress, so I start from documenting.	00:41
thinrichs	aimeeu: want to do a status update?	00:41
aimeeu	sure	00:41
aimeeu	I was out a few days last week and pulled onto other things Monday/Tuesday, but today I was finally able to stack successfully -- played around with congress CLI and REST API -- and started looking at this API bug	00:42
aimeeu	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1597243.	00:42
openstack	Launchpad bug 1597243 in congress "Policy Detail API returns 500 status codes in dse2" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Aimee Ukasick (aimeeu)	00:42
aimeeu	I also ran into trouble with the Policy dashboard in Horizon and after talking to thinrichs, opened this bug: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1602837	00:42
openstack	Launchpad bug 1602837 in congress "Policy UI (Horizon): Unable to get policies list (devstack)" [Undecided,New]	00:42
aimeeu	ramineni: since you've done some work on the horizon plugin, do you have any idea why the error is happening? I'm happy to work on the bug and would appreciate any suggestions.	00:42
ramineni_	aimeeu: you are using devstack?	00:43
aimeeu	ramineni: yes	00:43
aimeeu	ramineni: if you have time to take a quick look and add to the bug report if you have any ideas, I'd appreciate it	00:44
ramineni_	aimeeu: i think the problem is authentication with keystone v3 , need some changes in horizon code	00:44
ramineni_	i thought f submitting patch before	00:44
aimeeu	ramineni: I'll add your comment to the bug report, and assign the bug to myself. Thanks!	00:45
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aimeeu	that's all from me	00:45
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ramineni_	sure, you can check the authentication part in horizon code, that should support v3	00:46
ramineni_	let me know if you need any help	00:47
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aimeeu	will do - thanks!	00:47
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thinrichs	aimeeu: we should definitely get our Horizon interface working before Newton3, so it'd be fantastic if you could make that happen!	00:47
thinrichs	ramineni: want to give a status update?	00:48
aimeeu	thinrichs: OK, I'll start work on that bug tomorrow.	00:48
ramineni_	i have submitted the initial design for synchronizr, i tried to minimize the depedency between both as discussed	00:49
ramineni_	i will incorporate comments today	00:49
ramineni_	thats it from my side	00:49
thinrichs	It seems that our consistency model for HA will rely heavily on the synchronizer, so it'll be good to get that in place	00:50
thinrichs	Here's my status update…	00:51
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thinrichs	I've been experimenting with setting distributed_arch to True by default and ripping out all the old dse code.	00:52
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thinrichs	The code change is pretty much done.	00:52
thinrichs	Now I'm looking at deleting the old tests and replacing them with tests from tests2	00:52
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thinrichs	No major hurdles yet.	00:53
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ekcs	great!	00:53
masahito	great!	00:53
thinrichs	We did a really nice job of making this pretty easy, at least in terms of the code changes.	00:54
thinrichs	Tests aren't quite so nice, but those are hard to deal with anyway	00:54
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thinrichs	That's it from me	00:54
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thinrichs	5 minutes left.	00:54
thinrichs	#topic open discussion	00:54
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ekcs	thinrichs: on HA tasks (your earlier question), anything unassigned, people are welcome to pick up. My plan is to leave most things unassigned and assign them to myself as I finish previous tasks. but the places I most need others’ expertise would be the resource agent part we just talked about and the tempests parts.	00:54
ekcs	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1600021	00:54
openstack	Launchpad bug 1600021 in congress "HAHT - tempest tests, basic" [Medium,New]	00:54
ekcs	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1600019	00:55
openstack	Launchpad bug 1600019 in congress "HAHT - tempest tests, failures" [Medium,New]	00:55
ekcs	And to a lesser extent push data persistence (sqlalchemy experience)	00:55
ekcs	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1600015	00:55
openstack	Launchpad bug 1600015 in congress "HAHT - push data persistence" [Medium,New]	00:55
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ramineni_	ekcs: ill check how much we can test in tempest part	00:56
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ramineni_	ekcs: we need first synchronizer in place for this, i will check it up once that is done	00:57
ekcs	yup. thanks!	00:57
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thinrichs	ekcs: That list of bugs is great! They're the High priority ones, right?	00:58
masahito	once I push RA stuff, I'll take push data one.	00:58
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thinrichs	I'll try to pick something up after I rip out dse	00:58
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ekcs	thinrichs: which list of bugs? the list includes bugs at diff priotities.	00:59
ekcs	thanks guys.	00:59
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thinrichs	Times up for this week. Thanks all!	01:00
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masahito	#endmeeting	01:04
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mriedem	#startmeeting nova	14:00
openstack	Meeting started Thu Jul 14 14:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	14:00
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)"		14:00
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'nova'	14:00
takashin	o/	14:00
markus_z	o/	14:00
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alaski	o/	14:00
auggy	o/	14:00
edleafe	\o	14:00
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cdent	/o/	14:01
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mriedem	will wait another minute or so	14:01
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woodster_	o/	14:02
johnthetubaguy	o/	14:02
mnestratov\|2	o/	14:02
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rlrossit	o/	14:02
mriedem	alright let's get started	14:02
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mriedem	#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting	14:02
andrearosa	o/	14:02
mriedem	#topic release news	14:02
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mriedem	#link Newton release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule	14:02
mriedem	today is n-2	14:02
mriedem	#info The n-2 milestone has been tagged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341932/	14:02
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mriedem	we're also past the non-priority FFE deadline, so anything not approved as of this morning i'm going to -2 and defer to ocata	14:03
mriedem	questions about the release?	14:03
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mriedem	i'm also going to checkout a release for novaclient as we've merged some new microversion support there	14:03
mriedem	#topic bugs	14:04
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mriedem	#link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html	14:04
mriedem	so last week the postgres job was at 75% failure rate	14:04
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mriedem	we made it non-voting on friday	14:04
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mriedem	we found the breaking change early in the week and reverted it,	14:04
mriedem	so the pg job is back to normal and voting again	14:04
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mriedem	everything else is relatively quiet	14:05
mriedem	3rd party CI status, I don't have any news	14:05
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mriedem	are there any critical bugs that anyone wants to bring up?	14:05
markus_z	nope, haven't heard of anything	14:05
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mriedem	we have 34 new bugs https://goo.gl/JsMuWb	14:06
johnthetubaguy	being doing a bit of bug triage, not tripped over any yet	14:06
johnthetubaguy	yeah, been chewing through some of those	14:06
mriedem	yeah i triaged a few yesterday	14:06
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johnthetubaguy	but was doing a bit of step 2 and 3 to start with	14:06
mriedem	there are some NUMA and vmware related ones which i'm not able to triage	14:06
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mriedem	so need subteams on those	14:06
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johnthetubaguy	yeah, I wish that tagging worked better that it is at the moment	14:07
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mriedem	markus_z: don't you have a dashboard with the tags or subteams?	14:07
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markus_z	the tagging itself, or the triaging of tagged items=	14:07
mriedem	and the number of open bugs per each?	14:08
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mriedem	i think the tagging is fine, it's getting triage from subteams on tagged things	14:08
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johnthetubaguy	yeah, that later bit isn't really happening like it used to	14:08
markus_z	mriedem: http://45.55.105.55:3000/dashboard/db/openstack-bugs has a view on tagged "new" bugs	14:08
mriedem	johnthetubaguy: it ever worked? :P	14:08
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mriedem	ok let's move on,	14:09
mriedem	but a reminder for help needed as usual with bug triage	14:09
mriedem	#topic reminders	14:09
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mriedem	#info: no meeting on July 21st due to the midcycle	14:09
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: for like a week, we were golden, about a year or two ago	14:09
markus_z	a bug related item would also be http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099096.html	14:10
* johnthetubaguy is happy he can now make the midcycle :)		14:10
mriedem	johnthetubaguy: i think that's after sdague had his kid and went crazy on the backlog :)	14:10
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johnthetubaguy	mriedem: heh, yeah, that seriously helped	14:10
mriedem	#info: The meetup is happening at the Holiday Inn Express in Hillsboro: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099139.html	14:10
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mriedem	i'm hoping for the best as far as seating and wifi,	14:11
mriedem	but we'll see	14:11
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mriedem	#link Newton review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking	14:11
johnthetubaguy	should we ask dansmith to bring garden chairs?	14:11
mriedem	you mean lawn chairs?	14:11
johnthetubaguy	yeah, auto translate fail there	14:11
mriedem	i don't think extra chairs are the issue	14:11
mriedem	literally square footage is my concern	14:12
johnthetubaguy	ah, gotcha	14:12
mriedem	so now that we're past non-priority FFEs, we can prioritize the actual priorities!	14:12
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mriedem	#help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty?	14:12
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mriedem	^ is open for next week	14:13
mriedem	#topic stable branch status	14:13
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mriedem	i think the gates are clean at least for nova on stable	14:13
mriedem	https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker	14:13
mriedem	stable/mitaka: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/mitaka,n,z	14:13
mriedem	stable/liberty: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/liberty,n,z	14:13
mriedem	now that we cut n-2 we'll probably look at doing at least a mitaka point release	14:14
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mriedem	there is a lot out there that i haven't gone through yet though	14:14
mriedem	markus_z: you were asking about why i asked for that one port_security_enabled=False tempest test	14:14
mriedem	it's because we don't have tempest coverage for that scenario, which is why i've blocked backporting the series here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284095/	14:15
mriedem	and we've regressed it a few times	14:15
mriedem	sorry this is the mitaka link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306470/	14:15
johnthetubaguy	I have seen the unit tests that cover all that, we totally need tempest tests	14:15
markus_z	mriedem: I'm not exactly sure about the expected result of the tempest tests	14:15
mriedem	markus_z: not failing to create a server is a good start :)	14:16
mriedem	since that was the original bug for several yesar	14:16
mriedem	*years	14:16
markus_z	I'd need in a little prose what the result should be	14:16
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markus_z	-in	14:16
johnthetubaguy	is this just a setup thing, rather than a new tempest test?	14:16
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johnthetubaguy	or is that port security thing network specific?	14:17
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mriedem	it's network specific	14:17
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markus_z	My WIP tempest test is this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341098/	14:17
markus_z	A few pointers would be nice	14:17
mriedem	so you have to create a tenant network with port_security_enabled=False	14:17
mriedem	and boot a server and make sure that a security group doesn't get applied	14:17
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mriedem	but before the fixes the create would actually fail	14:18
mriedem	anyway - the recreate is also in the bug reports	14:18
markus_z	nova instance sec group or neutron port sec group?	14:18
mriedem	markus_z: neutron, but really either	14:18
mriedem	anyway, the server create would fail if we have it wrong	14:18
mriedem	we can talk about that later	14:18
markus_z	ok, I'll read the change	14:18
mriedem	#topic subteam highlights	14:19
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mriedem	there was no cells v2 meeting this week	14:19
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mriedem	reminder was to review cells v2 changes in the review priorities etherpad	14:19
alaski	yes please	14:19
mriedem	but there aren't any blocking issues - is what i heard	14:19
alaski	correct	14:19
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mriedem	edleafe: cdent: there was a scheduler meeting this week right? i think i even attended most of that.	14:20
edleafe	some good progress on the qualitative spec side of things	14:20
edleafe	alex_xu posted the design for ResourceProviderTags	14:20
edleafe	http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099032.html	14:20
edleafe	otherwise, just getting ready for the midcycle discussions	14:20
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edleafe	that's it	14:20
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mriedem	alaski: since you're in a room with jaypipes all day,	14:21
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mriedem	i seem to remember jay saying he was going to summarize <something> in the ML this week	14:21
mriedem	related to scheduler/placement/resource providers/allocations	14:21
mriedem	you might want to nudge him	14:21
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cdent	he's made some slides and some related information that he plans to push today	14:21
mriedem	slides!	14:22
mriedem	awesome	14:22
cdent	he was basically stating it as "homework"	14:22
johnthetubaguy	slides :S	14:22
mriedem	it is homework	14:22
alaski	heh	14:22
alaski	mostly about resource providers and what's happening there	14:22
cdent	short, medium and long term vision stuff along side "this is how it works"	14:22
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johnthetubaguy	its like he just submitted a presentation on that for the summit or something?	14:22
cdent	he's already on his way to portland, so we can get dansmith to remind him	14:23
mriedem	heh	14:23
mriedem	just as long as all of that doesn't change next week...but it might	14:23
mriedem	moving on	14:23
mriedem	there was no live migration meeting this week	14:23
PaulMurray	no	14:23
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PaulMurray	but	14:23
PaulMurray	we're trying to parallelise the imgae	14:23
PaulMurray	backend and stroage pools work a little	14:24
PaulMurray	I'll have more next week	14:24
mriedem	ok	14:24
mriedem	alex_xu: are you around?	14:24
mriedem	i'm not sure if there was an api meeting or not	14:24
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johnthetubaguy	there was	14:24
johnthetubaguy	not lots to report	14:24
johnthetubaguy	there was a discussion around the remaining policy bits	14:25
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johnthetubaguy	there is the bit we need to help deployers still, I think alaski has that started	14:25
johnthetubaguy	api-ref made some progress	14:25
johnthetubaguy	but needs reviews	14:25
alaski	yes, I have some patches up	14:25
johnthetubaguy	I think that was it	14:25
mriedem	ok	14:26
mriedem	alaski: i've been mostly MIA on the policy redo	14:26
mriedem	a ML summary on what's done there and what still needs to happen would be nice	14:26
mriedem	alaski: since i think you need some homework too :)	14:26
johnthetubaguy	so this is the most exciting bit: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/etc/nova/policy.json	14:26
alaski	heh. can do	14:26
mriedem	i saw that	14:26
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mriedem	i will say, i kind of miss having a single place to look at policy in the tree	14:27
mriedem	but if we get the 'effective' default policy in the docs like the config options	14:27
mriedem	i'll be happy	14:27
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alaski	the sample file can be generated	14:27
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alaski	tox -egenpolicy	14:28
johnthetubaguy	yeah, thats one of that patches	14:28
mriedem	ok, we should figure out how to build that into the docs	14:28
johnthetubaguy	that we need	14:28
mriedem	like the config options	14:28
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: +1	14:28
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mriedem	i think mtreinish might have done that one long ago	14:28
johnthetubaguy	so it is all here now: https://github.com/openstack/nova/tree/master/nova/policies	14:28
mriedem	ok that's easy	14:29
alaski	I think there's a sphinx extension for configs. I need to check that out	14:29
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alaski	and adapt it for policy	14:29
mriedem	#alaski to recap the api policy in code work in the ML	14:29
mriedem	oops	14:29
mriedem	ha	14:29
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mriedem	#action alaski to recap the api policy in code work in the ML	14:29
mriedem	moving on	14:29
mriedem	there wasn't an sriov/pci meeting this week,	14:30
mriedem	but a reminder to go over the changes listed in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099016.html	14:30
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mriedem	to get resize/migration working, which it sounds like mellanox ci has a multinode setup to test now	14:30
mriedem	which is great	14:30
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mriedem	notifications	14:30
mriedem	johnthetubaguy: gibi_: ^ was there a meeting this week?	14:31
mriedem	i assume those don't need to be weekly meetings now that we're past non-priority FF	14:31
johnthetubaguy	unsure, I didn't get to that	14:31
johnthetubaguy	but yeah, the work has all stopped now I think	14:31
mriedem	ok	14:31
mriedem	#topic stuck reviews	14:31
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mriedem	there was nothing on the agenda	14:31
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mriedem	anyone waiting to pounce?	14:32
mriedem	#topic open discussion	14:32
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mriedem	a couple things	14:32
mriedem	#info Mascot/logo thing: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099046.html	14:32
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mriedem	you've probably already seen that	14:32
alaski	I suggest cattle	14:32
alaski	or a panda	14:32
mriedem	i suggested sinkhole	14:32
PaulMurray	hord of lemmings	14:32
mriedem	it doesn't have to be animals	14:32
markus_z	I want a super-nova, hand-sized	14:32
markus_z	a real one	14:33
andrearosa	cowcat	14:33
cdent	a cow, sitting on a dog, sitting on a panda	14:33
edleafe	definitely a lemming	14:33
mriedem	so,	14:33
PaulMurray	cdent, cow on top - really!	14:33
cdent	cattle -> pet -> panda	14:33
PaulMurray	you wont see the dog	14:33
mriedem	i'm not going to be proposing anything for that, since i'm not interested in mascots and stickers	14:33
mriedem	but if anyone has strong feelings about this, besides lemmings on top of mole rats eating bald eagles, then feel free to respond to the ML	14:34
alaski	I support the lack of a mascot	14:34
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mriedem	thanks	14:34
mriedem	#info Proposal to cleanup quota classes: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099218.html (for Ocata)	14:34
auggy	we can say it's a black hole	14:34
mriedem	this is just fyi ^	14:34
mriedem	while doing some bug triage yesterday, i remembered that i hate quota classes	14:35
mriedem	i've got a blueprint staged for ocata, will write a spec at some point	14:35
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mriedem	but i'd really like to neuter a lot of that functionality	14:35
mriedem	and make the API less bad	14:35
mriedem	maybe even deprecate the API for removal	14:35
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mriedem	#info Discussion on when we need microversion testing in Tempest: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099238.html	14:36
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mriedem	^ will be going over that next week too a bit	14:36
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mriedem	but we have a glut of nova microversion changes in tempest right now all colliding	14:36
mriedem	and some actual bugs from not having 2.3 schema validation support in tempest	14:36
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mriedem	ok,	14:37
mriedem	it's open	14:37
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mriedem	anyone have anything? else we'll wrap up.	14:37
markus_z	more feedback would be nice: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099096.html	14:37
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markus_z	That's an idea how to make a bit more progress on bug fix reviews.	14:37
mriedem	i haven't read all of the responses, i'm not crazy about driven from review comments	14:38
mriedem	i prefer #2 until we have #4	14:38
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mriedem	because #2 can be built into a dashboard	14:38
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: I should reply to the thread, but Turnstile never get used AFAIK	14:38
markus_z	yeah, the technical side has a lot of feedback	14:38
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johnthetubaguy	mriedem: yeah, +1 on the dashboard	14:39
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markus_z	don't need to discuss it here. tooling doesn't work if people are not willing to use it.	14:39
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mriedem	yup	14:40
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mriedem	let's move it to the ML, thanks for starting that markus_z	14:40
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mriedem	thanks everyone, ttyl	14:40
mriedem	#endmeeting	14:40
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liuhanxi	Is this about ceilometer?	14:58
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liuhanxi	Hello, everybody!	15:01
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liuhanxi	I am a newcomer in Ceilometer. Could you tell me how to start with this?	15:04
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liuhanxi	#startmeeting ceilometer	15:14
openstack	Meeting started Thu Jul 14 15:14:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is liuhanxi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:14
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	15:14
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)"		15:14
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'	15:14
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liuhanxi	Let's discuss about ceilometer!	15:16
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achatterjee	hi, I am new to ceilometer. Still exploring. Looking forward to contribute in the project.	15:19
liuhanxi	I am so sorry about it that I input "#startmeeting ceilometer" wrong.	15:19
liuhanxi	I am also a newcomer for ceilometer.	15:20
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liuhanxi	It seems that the chair named Gordon Chung is not here.	15:22
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liuhanxi	#endmeeting	15:28
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings \|\| https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"		15:28
openstack	Meeting ended Thu Jul 14 15:28:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	15:28
openstack	Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2016/ceilometer.2016-07-14-15.14.html	15:28
openstack	Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2016/ceilometer.2016-07-14-15.14.txt	15:28
openstack	Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2016/ceilometer.2016-07-14-15.14.log.html	15:28
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carl_baldwin	o/	21:59
dougwig	o/	21:59
johnsom	o/	21:59
kevinbenton	o/	21:59
armax	yo	22:00
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armax	we ready	22:01
dougwig	yep	22:01
armax	#startmeeting neutron_drivers	22:01
openstack	Meeting started Thu Jul 14 22:01:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	22:01
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	22:01
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openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers'	22:02
amuller	o/	22:02
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dougwig	?	22:04
kevinbenton	[][][][][][][][]	22:04
kevinbenton	armax: alive?	22:05
johnsom	Can you hear us now? grin	22:06
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kevinbenton	netsplit?	22:06
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dougwig	i don't see one. shall we start on the rfe list, or wait?	22:07
dougwig	yep, there he went.	22:07
dougwig	anyone have the link handy?	22:07
amuller	https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.tag=rfe	22:07
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amuller	That's bugs in confirmed to be vetted for discussion	22:07
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armax	hello	22:08
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armax	anyone there?	22:08
kevinbenton	hi	22:08
amuller	there you are	22:08
armax	ok	22:08
armax	I dunno what happened	22:08
dougwig	oh, there he is	22:08
amuller	you forgot to type :(	22:08
carl_baldwin	Glad you're back.	22:08
armax	I was saying	22:08
armax	to special request from kevinbenton	22:08
armax	I would like to start with this announcement	22:09
armax	#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099281.html	22:09
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armax	please share your thoughts on	22:09
armax	#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-project-mascot	22:09
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dougwig	committee naming. this will end well.	22:09
armax	yak shave away	22:09
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dougwig	i put in 'newt', because i'm corny and unoriginal.	22:10
armax	but let’s do it offline :)	22:10
HenryG	CHANGE THE TOPIC NOW!!!	22:10
armax	for now let’s chew up on the RFE list	22:10
armax	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe	22:10
dougwig	mascot bike shedding sounds like more fun	22:10
armax	we only have 5 RFEs to go through	22:10
armax	easy peasy	22:10
armax	bug #1583694	22:10
openstack	bug 1583694 in neutron "[RFE] DVR support for Allowed_address_pair port that are bound to multiple ACTIVE VM ports" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583694 - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)	22:10
johnsom	easy peasy and he starts here.....	22:11
armax	we talked about this last week	22:11
dougwig	kill dvr. done, easy.	22:11
armax	and the week before	22:11
armax	dougwig: if it were that simple!	22:11
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armax	I think that the need of having this work on DVR has unveiled a much larger problem were FIP and allowed address pairs work implicitly together	22:12
johnsom	Would this "redundant FIP" be provisioned differently via the API or magically happen behind the scene?	22:12
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armax	johnsom: I would lean on the former, but we could explore what magically behind the scene means	22:13
kevinbenton	armax: more generally, it's that before DVR, FIPs could target arbitrary IP addresses. after dvr, FIPs became restricted to actual port IPs	22:13
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johnsom	I lean towards magic as it would mean a different API experience based on if DVR is enabled or not	22:14
armax	kevinbenton: yes, it feels to me that the distributed nature of DVR has unveiled a potential issue with the way FIP can work with VRRP clusters	22:14
armax	johnsom: not per se	22:14
armax	johnsom: we could make this work for both CVR and DVR	22:15
amuller	Is this a DVR specific issue? Wouldn't say ODL and OVN have the same issue?	22:15
johnsom	Ok	22:15
armax	johnsom: it feels to me that the FIP + allowed address pairs is a trick to make a VRRP use case work	22:15
carl_baldwin	amuller: which ones of those have floating ips?	22:15
dougwig	what is CVR? and the previous 10 lines have an amusing acronym density	22:16
armax	johnsom: when ideally a user could be oblivious of allowed address pairs to associate the FIP to multiple ports	22:16
amuller	I'm not sure but if they don't have now they will with OVS 2.5 soon enough	22:16
johnsom	armax Yes, but the user creating the FIP may or may not know if the endpoint is VRRP enabled.	22:16
armax	dougwig: Centralized	22:16
russellb	both have it in some degree	22:16
armax	johnsom: I’d argue he/she does, as he/she is the one creating the FIP and associating it to a dangling port for a very specific reason	22:17
kevinbenton	russellb: in OVN, everything is statically programmed so it would break on this as well, right?	22:17
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kevinbenton	russellb: i.e. there is no mechanism to discover where the IP is living	22:17
amuller	I think this is a challenging use case to cover in any distributed routing solution so I would't give DVR a bad rep here :)	22:17
russellb	right, it's bound	22:17
amuller	(without involving the control plane on failover)	22:18
armax	associating a FIP to a dangling (unbound) port and then pair with a port via allowed address pairs	22:18
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armax	is not exactly what I would call it kosher	22:18
johnsom	armax My use case is, user asks for load balancer, we give them a VIP for that load balancer. They then turn around and create a FIP that points to the VIP. They don't necessarily know if we created the VIP VRRP or not.	22:18
armax	johnsom: agreed	22:18
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armax	right now the VIP is the IP you give to the unbound port, that’s gonna be the entry into your allowed address pair attributes for whichever ports you want to sit behind the vip correct?	22:19
johnsom	Correct	22:19
armax	now, I am thinking, if we make this somewhat explicit, then it’s easier and less error prone implementing the logic for DVR	22:19
armax	because we’re not reusing a construct that wasn’t exactly designed to work with this set of hacks	22:20
carl_baldwin	I think the issue, as armax is trying to state it, is an API issue that isn't specific to any implementation.	22:20
johnsom	It seems like we can query the VIP port, see AAP is enabled, and create a "redundant FIP"	22:20
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johnsom	I think I'm getting into implementation details too much here.	22:21
armax	if DVR’s FIP is by design placed on the compute note, moving it around, locking it to the central snat, and potentially having to deal with moving it again if the VM migrate or get delete would be incredibly brittle logic	22:21
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kevinbenton	armax: wouldn't it just be "all unbound ports are on central snat" ?	22:21
armax	whereas for a ‘redundant FIP’ or whatever we want to call it, we can assume by design that the object is confined to a central network node and its limited to being there for its life cycle	22:22
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dougwig	one of the only compelling use cases of FIPs is for VIPs. (the issue them for everything mentality is madness.) your previous statements just relegated the common use case for elastic IPs back into a non-DVR world.	22:23
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armax	dougwig: FIP are typically associated to a single port at any given time, in this case the FIP is serving multiple ports at any given time	22:24
armax	dougwig: or am I talking nonsense?	22:24
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armax	dougwig: in other words, you take allowed address pairs out the picture	22:24
armax	FIP for VIPs breaks even for CVR	22:24
armax	centralized virtual router	22:25
dougwig	FIPs are just a deployment aid. bridging to rare public IPs, or when moving the IP is more important/needs to be faster than DNS ttl. that we map them to single port is implementation.	22:25
armax	true but the implementation is expressed throught the API	22:25
dougwig	allowed address pair is just ACLs; i'm not sure how that's relevant.	22:25
armax	the association is one to one	22:25
carl_baldwin	I think it'd be nice if there were an explicit relationship between the IP and the ports that should be allowed to received traffic for it. Instead of using allowed_address_pairs for an implicit one.	22:25
armax	FIP <-> PORT	22:25
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armax	carl_baldwin: +1	22:26
armax	I wonder if by adopting a more explicit relationship, the DVR solution looks simpler and less prone to regressions	22:26
dougwig	then how to do FIP to a vrrp?	22:26
armax	I am totally sold on the use case, I am unconvinced of the proposed solution as it stands	22:27
kevinbenton	dougwig: is it possible on EC2 to do that? How does their API look for this?	22:27
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armax	dougwig: not sure I understand the question	22:27
dougwig	kevinbenton: i've never tried.	22:27
armax	so my question to you guys is	22:27
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armax	in order to address this RFE, do you think it’s sensible to explore ways to model the need of FIP for VIP a little more formally?	22:28
johnsom	The current proposed patch does not solve the problem in a good way	22:28
armax	before diving into the implementation details?	22:28
amuller	armax: exploring ways is always sensible, that's almost a tautology =p	22:28
armax	johnsom: and I am hoping that revisiting the model might address that	22:28
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amuller	I wonder if we could use distributed port bindings somehow, by binding the fixed IP port to two hosts	22:29
dougwig	armax: yes, because you're right, the proposed fix feels like a duct tape band-aid.	22:29
amuller	then having that info in Neutron would let DVR do the right thing	22:29
armax	amuller: at this point I am happy to brainstorm, the mid-cycle is approaching and perhaps we can nail this down	22:30
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carl_baldwin	amuller: Each instance still needs its own port. I think we need to think about this like moving a VIP between ports.	22:30
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amuller	carl_baldwin: yeah, for the VIP	22:30
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amuller	carl_baldwin: each instance has its own port + a port that is bound to both	22:30
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armax	so have I managed to seed the weed?	22:31
armax	I don’t know what it means :)	22:31
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armax	seed the germ of doubt :)	22:31
dougwig	what is that? are we all supposed to light up now?	22:31
carl_baldwin	amuller: Ports have other extra stuff that wouldn't make sense, like macs, vif binding, etc.	22:31
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amuller	that's true	22:32
kevinbenton	need to make IP allocations first class citizens	22:32
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amuller	we already have ports in neutron that float between nodes	22:32
armax	we should probably go ahead and crunch the rest of the list	22:32
carl_baldwin	kevinbenton: That's never come up before. ;)	22:32
kevinbenton	:)	22:32
amuller	the HA routers qr interfaces	22:32
amuller	anyway	22:32
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armax	but at this point I guess we’re all in agreement that we cannot accept the proposed solution as is	22:33
kevinbenton	maybe the work to bind a port to multiple hosts can help here	22:33
armax	and more thinking has to go into how this use case is solved	22:33
kevinbenton	then the floating IP can be associated to a port bound to multiple hosts	22:33
dougwig	armax +1 +1	22:33
armax	kevinbenton: amuller said that	22:33
armax	kevinbenton: pay attention!	22:33
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carl_baldwin	kevinbenton: and I expressed some doubt.	22:33
johnsom	armax +1	22:33
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armax	ok	22:34
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armax	shall we move on?	22:34
kevinbenton	can we just pitch CVR as a feature that solves this?	22:34
armax	kevinbenton: shut up	22:34
armax	kevinbenton is sitting next to me, he knows I am joking	22:35
amuller	Before we move on, what is supposed to happen before next week?	22:35
kevinbenton	"ever thought you're routing was getting out of hand being everywhere? centralize it!"	22:35
armax	bug #1586056	22:35
openstack	bug 1586056 in neutron "[RFE] Improved validation mechanism for QoS rules with port types" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1586056 - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)	22:35
armax	#undo	22:35
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armax	amuller: we’ll get together with carl_baldwin and lay out a plan	22:35
armax	bug #1586056	22:35
HenryG	you have put the meeting bot to sleep	22:36
dougwig	kevinbenton: now you're talking!	22:36
amuller	johnsom: do you feel like you have a way to move forward?	22:36
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armax	ajo and/or ihar might not be around	22:37
amuller	they're both returning from travel	22:37
armax	ok	22:37
johnsom	amuller Not sure I follow. I'm here to give input, help understand the problem. I think the next steps is more design work.	22:37
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armax	johnsom: yes, I’d rather nail down the design now than deal with the pain later	22:38
amuller	johnsom: alright	22:38
armax	as for QoS	22:38
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armax	and this RFE	22:39
armax	I am unclear how this is being tackled	22:39
armax	anyone?	22:39
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amuller	we need QoS team leaders for this, I suggest we skip	22:40
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armax	ok	22:40
armax	bug #1592028	22:40
openstack	bug 1592028 in neutron "[RFE] Support security-group-rule creation with address-groups" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1592028 - Assigned to Roey Chen (roeyc)	22:40
armax	this didn’t seem outrageous to me, but I wonder if this is something that could be handled by FWaaS, any fwaas expert in the room?	22:41
kevinbenton	security groups themselves already represent a group of addresses	22:41
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kevinbenton	(all of the ports that are a member of that group)	22:41
kevinbenton	is this to handle cases where the IP addresses don't belong to neutron ports?	22:42
armax	that’s a good question to ask on teh bug report	22:42
dougwig	i think it's meant to be, "allow all from rfc1918" style groups.	22:42
kevinbenton	"An Openstack cloud may require connectivity between instances and external services which are not provisioned by Openstack, each service may also have multiple endpoints."	22:43
kevinbenton	yeah	22:43
kevinbenton	i didn't read close enough	22:43
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kevinbenton	I'm fine with this idea	22:43
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dougwig	at one time sc68cal wanted SG's frozen, and all of this going into fwaas. i think he reversed that position.	22:43
armax	so that means a spec to understand the API proposal etc	22:44
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armax	dougwig: I think we all come to the realization that we diverged from Amazon’s style security groups anyway	22:44
sc68cal	haven't reversed	22:44
sc68cal	but I appear to be a minority viewpoint	22:44
kevinbenton	so a destination/source can be a CIDR/securitygroup right now	22:44
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kevinbenton	and the adjustment would be that it could be an 'addressgroup'	22:44
kevinbenton	also	22:45
armax	and that OpenStack relaxed its EC2 compliance somewhat	22:45
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armax	so say we’ll give this the go ahead	22:45
armax	is there anyone in the group willing to volunteer for taking care of the review process?	22:45
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armax	we can ask on the bug report	22:46
armax	but if don’t find volunteers this must have to go on the backburner	22:46
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armax	I assume that lack of comment means, backburner does it?	22:46
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armax	moving on	22:47
armax	bug #1592918	22:47
openstack	bug 1592918 in neutron "[RFE] Adding Port Statistics to Neutron Metering Agent" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1592918 - Assigned to Sana Khan (sana.khan)	22:47
dougwig	is there anyone not so overcommitted that it's hollow anyway? i mean, i'd love to say yes, but...	22:47
armax	dougwig: fair point	22:47
armax	I am still waiting for your braindump on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1524916	22:47
openstack	Launchpad bug 1524916 in neutron "neutron-ns-metadata-proxy uses ~25MB/router in production" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Doug Wiegley (dougwig)	22:47
armax	but I digress	22:47
dougwig	heh.	22:48
armax	dougwig: I’ll bug you until you comply :)	22:48
kevinbenton	dougwig promised a simple nginx solution! :)	22:48
dougwig	armax: an effective strategy.	22:48
armax	dougwig: it’s not working right now	22:48
armax	dougwig: not sure it’s effective	22:48
armax	so talking about the port stats thingy	22:48
dougwig	i have the bug open in a tab, and i feel guilt when i see it. that's more than last week.	22:48
armax	ah	22:49
armax	ok so progress!	22:49
amuller	We don't have a scenario test for metering do we	22:49
amuller	We have API and unit tests	22:49
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armax	let’s see how you feel next week when I’ll ship a dead horse’s head to your house	22:49
amuller	nothing that checks that it works end to end, I think	22:49
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amuller	I think we should require such a test before any RFEs in the metering area	22:49
armax	amuller: we have some tests in the gate	22:49
armax	right	22:49
armax	but that goes back to a staffing problem	22:50
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amuller	it would be on the bug reporter	22:50
armax	rossella_s volunteered but she’s spread thin	22:50
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armax	I gather from this meeting and the past one that no-one has objections or reserves on this requet	22:50
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armax	request	22:50
amuller	forget staffing for a sec, does anyone care about metering and wants to discuss the usefulness of the RFE?	22:50
armax	though someone has to help the reporter through the review pipeline	22:51
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armax	amuller: I sense that all of us are lukewarm when it comes to metering	22:51
amuller	in that case I wouldn't block the RFE, just let it through on a best effort basis, and if the author is persistent enough maybe he or she will actually get reviews :)	22:52
armax	but that’s not a reason to reject when there’s some degree of usefulness in the counters collected	22:52
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amuller	armax: agreed	22:52
armax	ok	22:52
armax	no rejection, best effort basis assumed the right steps are taken	22:53
armax	amuller: can you point out your demands on teh bug report?	22:53
amuller	will do	22:53
armax	and we can figure out how stringent or painful they are :)	22:53
armax	bug #1599488	22:53
openstack	bug 1599488 in neutron "[RFE] Enhance Quota API calls to return resource usage per tenant" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1599488 - Assigned to Sergey Belous (sbelous)	22:53
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armax	this one seems ‘easy'	22:53
armax	I have asked salv_orlando to look at it	22:54
armax	but he’s worse than dougwig	22:54
armax	erm :)	22:54
* dougwig sighs.		22:54
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armax	I think this also deserves a spec to better understand what the proposal looks like, being an API change required	22:54
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armax	unless there are complications on making sure that the attribute reliably represent the value the reporter is interested in	22:55
armax	then this seems a nice addition to the quota API	22:55
armax	any thoughts?	22:55
armax	lukewarm anyone?	22:55
amuller	a consistency with the other core projects would be... nice.	22:56
dougwig	it would also be downright un-openstack!	22:56
armax	amuller: quota API is not exactly consistent across projects	22:56
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sc68cal	I poked sbelous to file the RFE.	22:57
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sc68cal	so I can be the sherpa for it I guess	22:57
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armax	ok	22:57
armax	let’s refresh the bug report with this ntoes	22:57
armax	notes	22:57
armax	anything anyone wants to add?	22:57
armax	if not let’s get 3 minutes back	22:58
armax	so that dougwig can do his braindump	22:58
armax	2 minutes now	22:58
armax	#stopmeeting	22:58
carl_baldwin	bye	22:59
kevinbenton	bye	22:59
armax	#endmeeting	22:59
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