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| aspiers | hi | 08:00 |
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| ddeja | o/ | 08:00 |
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| aspiers | hi ddeja :) | 08:02 |
| aspiers | first few minutes back at work for me | 08:02 |
| ddeja | oh :) | 08:02 |
| aspiers | anyone else around? | 08:03 |
| aspiers | or everyone on holiday | 08:03 |
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| ddeja | dunno, but guys from NTT have shown up last two weeks | 08:04 |
| aspiers | ok | 08:05 |
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| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 08:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 18 08:06:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:06 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ha)" | 08:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 08:06 |
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| aspiers | so let's do this to create some minutes for reference, at least | 08:06 |
| ddeja | ok | 08:06 |
| aspiers | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 08:07 |
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| aspiers | so I've been on holiday for a few weeks | 08:07 |
| aspiers | and now I have 2707 emails to read ;-/ | 08:07 |
| aspiers | but I did manage to submit a talk proposal for Barcelona with ddeja and sampath | 08:08 |
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| aspiers | other than that, nothing to report | 08:08 |
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| aspiers | I will probably merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334443/ today | 08:08 |
| aspiers | so we can finally start submitting specs | 08:09 |
| ddeja | great | 08:09 |
| aspiers | #action aspiers to finally finish setting up specs repo | 08:09 |
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| aspiers | anything you want to report? | 08:09 |
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| ddeja | well, I'm still working on mistral HA | 08:10 |
| ddeja | my patches are nearly ready, I'll finish them this week | 08:10 |
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| ddeja | that's all | 08:10 |
| aspiers | ok | 08:11 |
| aspiers | I guess everyone else is on holiday | 08:11 |
| ddeja | probably | 08:12 |
| aspiers | or vacation for Americans ;-) | 08:12 |
| aspiers | alright, so I guess we can close the meeting now? | 08:13 |
| ddeja | Yup | 08:13 |
| aspiers | cool | 08:13 |
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| aspiers | I'll be on IRC from now | 08:13 |
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| aspiers | thanks, and cu around :) | 08:14 |
| ddeja | +1 ;) | 08:14 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 08:14 |
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| ddeja | thanks, bye! | 08:14 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 18 08:14:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-07-18-08.06.html | 08:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-07-18-08.06.txt | 08:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-07-18-08.06.log.html | 08:14 |
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| andreykurilin | #startmeeting Rally | 14:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 18 14:07:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:07 |
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| rvasilets_ | Hi | 14:07 |
| ikhudoshyn | щ/ | 14:07 |
| ikhudoshyn | o/ | 14:07 |
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| boris-42 | hi | 14:08 |
| rvasilets_ | Do we have what to discuss today? | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | hi hi | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | yes | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42 has a topic | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:09 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Rally macot | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | mascot* | 14:09 |
| ikhudoshyn | raccoon | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | :D | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | #topic Rally mascot | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rally mascot (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:10 | |
| andreykurilin | okey | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | let's start a discussion | 14:10 |
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| andreykurilin | cats? | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | everybody loves cats | 14:10 |
| rvasilets_ | A small cute car Jeffrey | 14:11 |
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| ikhudoshyn | my cat's name is 'Yenot' | 14:11 |
| ikhudoshyn | he looks pretty much like a raccoon | 14:11 |
| rvasilets_ | https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/cute-race-car-vector-illustration-31228224.jpg | 14:11 |
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| andreykurilin | ikhudosyn: :D | 14:11 |
| rvasilets_ | my car name is "Cute" | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | so I like idea of "white ermine" | 14:12 |
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| stpierre | why not a Lada :P | 14:12 |
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| rvasilets_ | "Help Lada to test your cloud")) | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | and Yenot sounds good as well lOL | 14:13 |
| ikhudoshyn | ermine in a rally helmet | 14:13 |
| ikhudoshyn | raccoons are soooo cute) | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: wow. what is lada for you?) | 14:13 |
| stpierre | andreykurilin: a car that is very much *not* cute | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | :D | 14:14 |
| rvasilets_ | ermine is better for me) | 14:14 |
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| rvasilets_ | it sounds cool "ermine" | 14:14 |
| ikhudoshyn | stpierre: (speak with terrible russian accent) do you like soviet cars, tovarisch? | 14:15 |
| ikhudoshyn | ) | 14:15 |
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| boris-42 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODEUK5sB5vE =) | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: it is stereotype:) imo, it can be. https://www.dropbox.com/s/bl4yoln0gj3hsrm/Photo%2025-12-15%2022%2019%2035.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/p0nskih2767kn77/Photo%2025-12-15%2022%2002%2028.jpg?dl=0 | 14:18 |
| rvasilets_ | only i think better ermine in rally офслуе | 14:18 |
| rvasilets_ | *jacket | 14:18 |
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| rvasilets_ | because the cutiest part of ermine is head | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | http://pics.nashgorod.ru/photogal/6532/1000_dc5671d164e3c22f1a3a201979d1be87.jpg | 14:19 |
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| rvasilets_ | Also there is a car camaro ermine white | 14:20 |
| rvasilets_ | http://www.69pace.com/images/Paint/1967_CC_erminewhite/1967ermineyenko.JPG | 14:20 |
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| andreykurilin | I prefer to return to "wild life " :) | 14:21 |
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| andreykurilin | Honey Badger ? | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: this one is destrcutve as ermine is | 14:24 |
| rvasilets_ | http://static1.squarespace.com/static/539585e0e4b09d29f09983a4/5575d894e4b0c243512f0dfa/5575d8fce4b085ff800e92b2/1433787056492/bbrally.jpeg | 14:24 |
| andreykurilin | :D | 14:24 |
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| rvasilets_ | http://www.trbimg.com/img-52d5be77/turbine/os-pictures-best-mascots-in-pro-sports-2014011-020/523/523x294 | 14:24 |
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| stpierre | ermine in a rally jacket sounds adorable | 14:25 |
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| rvasilets_ | + | 14:26 |
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| rvasilets_ | in white and black squares jacket | 14:27 |
| rvasilets_ | like finish flag in rally | 14:27 |
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| rvasilets_ | Deal7) | 14:28 |
| rvasilets_ | boris-42, ^ | 14:29 |
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| boris-42 | heh | 14:29 |
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| boris-42 | do we have something else to discuss?) | 14:31 |
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| rvasilets_ | are we planing to cut release today?) | 14:31 |
| andreykurilin | I had no enough time today to do it | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin | I think tomorrow we will do it | 14:32 |
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| ikhudoshyn | boris-42: DB refactoring | 14:32 |
| ikhudoshyn | )) | 14:32 |
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| andreykurilin | ok, let's move to db refactoring subject | 14:33 |
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| rvasilets_ | services) | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | oh god | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | +) | 14:33 |
| andreykurilin | #topic DB refactoring | 14:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DB refactoring (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:33 | |
| ikhudoshyn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297020/ let's review it)) | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: did somebody review it?) | 14:33 |
| ikhudoshyn | nope | 14:33 |
| ikhudoshyn | everybody get scared | 14:33 |
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| ikhudoshyn | +1228, -55 | 14:34 |
| ikhudoshyn | and more to come | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: this one is big lol | 14:35 |
| ikhudoshyn | i know it) | 14:36 |
| ikhudoshyn | there's no way to split it | 14:36 |
| ikhudoshyn | (( | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: I understand that as well | 14:36 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets_: andreykurilin stpierre okay guys I think we need all to review that patch | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | to make sure that it works well | 14:38 |
| andreykurilin | yeah | 14:38 |
| ikhudoshyn | pls guys, it needs all the eyes posible | 14:39 |
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| rvasilets_ | boris-42, not only that) I have about 6 patches in the queue) | 14:39 |
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| boris-42 | that one is imporant | 14:39 |
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| rvasilets_ | what about services?) | 14:39 |
| ikhudoshyn | we can't just merge it with eyes closed and fingers crossed | 14:39 |
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| rvasilets_ | there is two more important) | 14:39 |
| rvasilets_ | *are | 14:40 |
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| rvasilets_ | Also there is raas demonstration, maybe it have a bit lower importance | 14:42 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets_: it's lower importance | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | I really would like to finish part with DB refactoring | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | DB refactoring + validation refactoring will unblock us to finish new input task format | 14:43 |
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| rvasilets_ | okey | 14:45 |
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| rvasilets_ | Move it to the top of importance) | 14:45 |
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| andreykurilin | anything else to discuss? ) | 14:46 |
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| ikhudoshyn | not from me | 14:48 |
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| rvasilets_ | no | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | I hope to find more time for Rally | 14:50 |
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| boris-42 | I think this week should be better | 14:50 |
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| ikhudoshyn | looks like we're done for today | 14:53 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets_: ^ please end meeting | 14:57 |
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| rvasilets_ | andreykurilin, ^ | 14:58 |
| andreykurilin | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 18 14:58:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-07-18-14.07.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-07-18-14.07.txt | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-07-18-14.07.log.html | 14:59 |
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| mmedvede | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 18 15:00:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mmedvede. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
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| mmedvede | hey third-party CI folks, anyone around for the meeting? | 15:01 |
| ajafo | hi | 15:01 |
| asselin | i'm here and in another meeting | 15:01 |
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| mmedvede | hi ajafo, asselin | 15:01 |
| mmedvede | anyone has anything to discuss? | 15:02 |
| ajafo | I've only short two questions | 15:02 |
| mmedvede | go ahead ajafo | 15:03 |
| lennyb | i am here for about 20mins | 15:03 |
| ajafo | I want to add 3rd party CI to fuel-ccp* repos, I prepared some cases in ci-sandbox, to show it works, and I wan't to connect it to repos with voting permissions but I'm not sure how to do this, because there is information in docs about to send information to openstack-dev mailing list, from another side I found that there is third-party-anounce mailing list (I see there some informations about disabling 3rd party CI's), also I found this post http://list | 15:03 |
| lennyb | ajafo: can you send a link to the ci-sandbox with your commits | 15:04 |
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| ajafo | lennyb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340280/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340285/ | 15:04 |
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| mmedvede | ajafo: you should probably ask the project before you start commenting on their repos | 15:05 |
| mmedvede | ajafo: and initially you might want to set your CI to non-voting | 15:06 |
| ajafo | mmedvede: I moved this projects to upstream in last week so I'm in contact with everyone | 15:06 |
| ajafo | so additionally I added it as non-voting jobs to fuel-ccp* | 15:07 |
| lennyb | ajafo: what is your CI? | 15:07 |
| ajafo | lennyb: Mirantis CCP CI | 15:07 |
| lennyb | ajafo: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html#permissions-on-your-third-party-system | 15:07 |
| asselin | each project has their voting permissions, so you can't actually vote even if you tried until the acls are set to allow you to do so | 15:07 |
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| ajafo | ok, so I need to send e-mail, and after it should we add in acl's permissions for CI user? | 15:08 |
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| lennyb | ajafo: first you should ask for permission to comment as non-voting CI ( If I am not mistaken ) | 15:09 |
| asselin | lennyb, ++ | 15:09 |
| mmedvede | this | 15:09 |
| wznoinsk | hi all | 15:09 |
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| ajafo | lennyb: but you mean asking project not openstack-infra group? | 15:09 |
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| mmedvede | ajafo: so if they said it is ok for your CI to comment, you can start commenting | 15:09 |
| wznoinsk | lennyb, I think Nova will be the restrictive to ask before commenting out | 15:09 |
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| wznoinsk | ajafo, in short... there's a few levels of what a CI may be doing: 1. running builds (without commenting back to review.o.o), 2. doing as above with commenting back the results, 3. voting = doing as above but also having the permission (given by project's core team) to see it's +/- 1 Verified | 15:11 |
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| lennyb | ajafo: yes, ak project folks, not infra. you need to ask permissions for commenting as non-voting first, and after a while with a valid history you may ask for voting commenting. | 15:11 |
| wznoinsk | ajafo, as lennyb says, it's upto the project's (nova, neutron etc. team to speak about commenting to this particular project), not the infra team | 15:12 |
| lennyb | wznoinsk: +1 | 15:12 |
| ajafo | ok thanks,"(given by project's core team)" - it was the part I wasn't sure | 15:12 |
| asselin | #link ci permission documented here: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html#posting-result-to-gerrit | 15:12 |
| wznoinsk | (forgive syntax errors) :-) | 15:13 |
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| mmedvede | ajafo: you mentioned having two questions, what is the second one? | 15:14 |
| ajafo | thanks guys for help, I asked project core teams(now got CI in non-voting + comments mode), but just wasn't sure do I need another permissions from openstack infra to vote, but now I know that core team can do this | 15:14 |
| wznoinsk | regarding what mmedvede said, it's a good practice to ask the project's core team are they ok a new to CI to start commenting back to review.o.o on their project, especially Nova... on other project it may be accepted as long as the comments/results your CI doesn't look like 'still sandboxing and testing' | 15:15 |
| mmedvede | ajafo: yes, no permission from infra team is needed. But infra team can disable your account if your CI misbehaves | 15:15 |
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| wznoinsk | ajafo, technically it's an infra team that merges your CI's permission, but politically that's the project's core team that approves it | 15:15 |
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| ajafo | mmedvede: second one probably was answered with first one, I just wanted to make sure - if I want to have merge permissions for CI (to set it main gate) do I need some special permissions from infra team, but as I understand here permissions from core teams are enough too | 15:15 |
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| lennyb | ajafo: trust me, getting your CI being disabled and being shouted on by anteaya is not a pretty thing :) | 15:16 |
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| mmedvede | +1 | 15:17 |
| ajafo | lennyb: it's ther reason why I'm trying to make sure twice before do something :) | 15:17 |
| wznoinsk | ajafo, just to be clear here, as the 4th point on my previous 3 would be 4. gating rights = +/- 1 Verified from a CI decides whether to merge a change or not - only upstream Jenkins has it (meaning: non of the 3rdparty CI have it = non of them can stop a change from mergin) | 15:17 |
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| wznoinsk | ajafo, this may be of help to sanity checks your CIs builds against others: http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova | 15:18 |
| lennyb | ajafo: dont forget that CI default is 'voting' :) | 15:18 |
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| mmedvede | wznoinsk: ci-watch.tintri only includes a few repos | 15:19 |
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| ajafo | wznoinsk: oh so it's interesting I thought it can be changed | 15:19 |
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| wznoinsk | mmedvede, right, doesn't cover fuel-* | 15:20 |
| asselin | default is 'commenting'...not 'voting' | 15:20 |
| wznoinsk | ajafo, been there, done that, hence clearing that out for you str8 away | 15:20 |
| wznoinsk | asselin, +1 | 15:20 |
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| wznoinsk | ajafo, are you using openstackci from os infra out of curiosity? | 15:21 |
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| ajafo | wznoinsk: we've own packages | 15:22 |
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| ajafo | thanks guys for all help and clarify everything | 15:24 |
| lennyb | wznoinsk: btw, we've found some bugs in tempest #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343294/ and #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335447/ | 15:24 |
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| lennyb | wznoinsk: it's affects port direct | 15:25 |
| mmedvede | ajafo: if you have more questions, find any of us on irc outside the meeting. I would be happy to help | 15:25 |
| cbader | I have a question has anyone had an issue with one of the zuul servers not creating a pid file? the issues I am seeing is the zuul url says json:error | 15:26 |
| ajafo | mmedvede: thanks | 15:26 |
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| lennyb | cbader: yes, if you have errors in layout.yaml | 15:26 |
| wznoinsk | ajafo, glad we could help | 15:26 |
| cbader | ok thanks will look there. | 15:26 |
| lennyb | cbader: try to validate yaml and run zuul manually to see errors | 15:27 |
| mmedvede | cbader: but if you have errors in layout, your /var/log/zuul/debug.log should show errors when you try starting up zuul server | 15:27 |
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| cbader | I don't see any error in debug.log | 15:27 |
| wznoinsk | cbader, as lennyb says - it may be the reason, it's good to run tox -e zuul from 'project-config' repo to check your layout.yaml against jbb | 15:28 |
| lennyb | mmedvede: not always, i had bad yaml and zuul-servers was running, but not submitting jobs, nor pid file. | 15:28 |
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| cbader | ok thanks I will look. | 15:28 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb: interesting. This is a good thing to keep in mind then | 15:28 |
| lennyb | i had to run it manually and only than I saw error during parsing or even missing python modules | 15:28 |
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| mmedvede | I have internal CI that runs tox -ezuul on each project-config change, so this is probably why I never have seen the pid file missing problem | 15:29 |
| lennyb | mmedvede: ... and we though that this meeting will not take place today :) | 15:29 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb: yes, good discussion today :) | 15:30 |
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| wznoinsk | cbader, I run tox -e zuul before restarting zuul to make sure issues like yours doesn't happen | 15:32 |
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| cbader | I will check tha | 15:32 |
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| ajafo | hmm I've another question, if there is no possibility to get 3rd party as gate, is it possible to have configuration that we want to have merged code by CI but after 3rd party CI will be successful? | 15:33 |
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| mmedvede | ajafo: technically, maybe. But I do not think infra would want that. In the end, it is up to humans to decide if -1 given by third-party CI should prevent thing from merging | 15:35 |
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| lennyb | Sorry, I need to go. See you next time... | 15:35 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: thanks for attending | 15:35 |
| mmedvede | and for the help | 15:36 |
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| mmedvede | ajafo: so it is up to cores to pay attention to third-party CI results | 15:37 |
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| ajafo | mmedvede: so all 3rd party CI works only in check phase? not in gate? | 15:37 |
| ajafo | mmedvede: I'm asking because I want to understand | 15:37 |
| asselin | ajafo, correct | 15:37 |
| ajafo | ok so it's clear now | 15:38 |
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| ajafo | thanks again :) | 15:39 |
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| mmedvede | woo, meeting serves its purpose :) | 15:40 |
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| mmedvede | more to discuss today? | 15:40 |
| mmedvede | if not, I propose to end meeting | 15:40 |
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| wznoinsk | mmedvede one thing from me | 15:41 |
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| mmedvede | wznoinsk: go ahead | 15:42 |
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| wznoinsk | mmedvede, is there any 3rdparty CI maturity kind of measure? I keep bogging anteaya about these topics constantly just to be on the right track | 15:43 |
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| mmedvede | wznoinsk: I guess you are referring to some way of measuring how stable a CI is? | 15:44 |
| wznoinsk | I'm about to ask for voting rights in nova and neutron soon and want to satisfty both project and infra team req | 15:44 |
| wznoinsk | mmedvede, yes, from infra point of view | 15:44 |
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| mmedvede | wznoinsk: I think it mostly is voting history. There is no official tool yet. ci-watch.tintri can be used for that if your CI is tracked | 15:46 |
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| wznoinsk | mmedvede, I don't want to sound as trying to stress some answer from yourself here, I kind of know there's no strict measures in place - was wondering about what to do best | 15:47 |
| mmedvede | wznoinsk: there was also a ci-status tools added to third-party-ci-tool repo to pull down CI stats | 15:47 |
| mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339194/ | 15:47 |
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| wznoinsk | mmedvede, wasn't aware of that one, will give it a go | 15:48 |
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| wznoinsk | mmedvede, I wrote something kind of similar some time ago to alert if our CIs result is Failure where upstream Jenkins is SUCCESS to highlight possible CI/feature issues - I'll have a look whether that's something that could land in third-party-tools maybe | 15:50 |
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| mmedvede | wznoinsk: definitely | 15:51 |
| ajafo | guys, last one question what is the reason to not have gate from 3rd party CI? I'm asking because if e.g we'll agree to remove from openstack-infra layout.yaml gate tests at our repos then it could be merged only with external 3rd party CI so technically it's not problem? | 15:51 |
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| asselin | ajafo, infra doesn't allow it b/c of possible stability issue causing the entire gate to break. | 15:52 |
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| asselin | ajafo, so the most you can do is vote in check, which is quite close to gate, but not exactly. | 15:53 |
| wznoinsk | ajafo, as asselin says... you don't want gating to rely on 3rd party CI, there are some good and some bad ones... also... upstream jenkins have some basic tests done always (i.e.: unit/functional tests)... you don't want to get the code merged if these fail ... code reviewers take into accout 3rd party ci results | 15:53 |
| ajafo | ok, so it's more rules based reason | 15:54 |
| wznoinsk | asselin, isn't 3rdparty ci voting (or commenting) in check also not important when it comes whether the changes lands in gate pipeline or not? | 15:54 |
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| ajafo | asselin, wznoinsk thanks again for calrify | 15:54 |
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| asselin | ajafo, wznoinsk afaik a voting 3rd party ci can prevent a change from merging | 15:55 |
| wznoinsk | ajafo, technically it is possibly to give any 3rdparty CI gating rights... by rules as you said, it's not enabled because of different reason | 15:55 |
| asselin | by blocking it's access to the gate pipeline. | 15:56 |
| asselin | once it's in the gate pipeline, then only infra jobs run and determine if the patch merges or not | 15:56 |
| * wznoinsk didn't know that, needs more testing | 15:56 | |
| mmedvede | the requirement for gate job to start is here https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/zuul/layout.yaml#L41-L47 | 15:58 |
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| mmedvede | so technically possible to prevent gate on -1 from third-party CI automatically, but would not happen for reasons mentioned above | 15:59 |
| mmedvede | ok, we are at a time | 15:59 |
| asselin | ok, in that case, my statement is not correct ^^. voting 3rd party ci can still enter gate even with -1 | 15:59 |
| mmedvede | thanks everyone for attending | 16:00 |
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| mmedvede | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 18 16:00:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-07-18-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-07-18-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-07-18-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 18 16:02:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:02 |
| rbrady | o/ | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:02 |
| ddeja | o/ | 16:02 |
| Ravikiran_K | o/ | 16:02 |
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| mgershen | o/ | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | hi guys | 16:02 |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's start our meeting | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, plans) | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: set up the new repo "mistral-lib", it's now ready for contribution, restructured mistral-extra (all CI jobs are currently disabled), reviewed a bunch of patches | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | about to start working for better support of subworkflows on API | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-task-subexecutions-endpoint | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | actually started | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | planning to finish tomorrow | 16:05 |
| hparekh_ | hi | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | and want to discuss our further work on actions api | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh_: hi, welcome | 16:05 |
| ddeja | My status: Still working on adding param 'safe-rerun' to tasks. Nearly ended, but requiers last tests before submitting patchset | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | any updates from you guys? | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: I thought all patches are on review, no? | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | only testing left? | 16:06 |
| hparekh_ | my status: reviewed patches and started working on mistral ssl support. will post patches soon | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh_: great! | 16:06 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: well, these patches are not using 'redelivered' flag | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | it's really needed by some of our users | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: oooh, right, you told me (now I remember) | 16:07 |
| mgershen | my status: I opened this bug that was found in my company, and I plan to fix it. | 16:07 |
| mgershen | https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1603941 | 16:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1603941 in Mistral "create workflow fails on data too long for column definition" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Michal Gershenzon (michal-gershenzon) | 16:07 |
| ddeja | and new ones will change all the logic, so there is no need to work on them :) | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen: yeah, it's a bad bug | 16:07 |
| ddeja | (on old ones) | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: ok, I see | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, any other updates? | 16:09 |
| mgershen | rakhmerov: yup, but I think at least the fix is easy | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, we also need to generate a migration | 16:10 |
| jpeeler | i haven't had a chance to circle back on the client caching patch, but plan on getting back to it this week. | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady, jpeeler? | 16:10 |
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| jpeeler | rakhmerov: would it be useful to see the patch for third party consumers? | 16:10 |
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| mgershen | rakhmerov: yes, I will make sure to do so. | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | jpeeler: what patch do you mean? | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | sorry | 16:12 |
| jpeeler | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341717/ | 16:12 |
| jpeeler | there's another i've yet to show. i'll just post it later and you can comment | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | oh, ok | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | I just didn't understand what you meant about 3rd party consumers | 16:13 |
| jpeeler | i mean like custom actions for tripleo | 16:13 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: saw the initial mistral-lib repo after it landed, added a patch for name change. planning on adding some patches this week wrt to spec features | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: that renaming patch has landed | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | great | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | jpeeler: on that caching thing, I'm probably out of context right now but I'll look at it again tomorrow | 16:14 |
| jpeeler | ok! | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | jpeeler: if I remember correctly, I mostly liked the patch. My comments were about reducing duplication and some minor stuff | 16:15 |
| jpeeler | yep | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ok :) | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | and I see that you commented something back which I didn't see ) | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | we'll look at it | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks to everyone, let's move forward to the main topic | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Actions API | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | so before we start, these are the questions that I'd like to have answered: | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | 1. Who will take what? | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | 2. Deprecation mechanism (and how to provide it) | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | 3. Is it feasible to squeeze into N-3? | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | so, let's start with 1 | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | repos are now set up, and I'd like to delegate this work to someone else who's willing to help | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | and maybe even split it into parallel items | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | so, any brave ones? :) | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | work items can be seen in the spec: https://github.com/openstack/mistral-specs/blob/master/specs/newton/approved/mistral-custom-actions-api.rst | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | in the end | 16:20 |
| rbrady | rahkmerov: I'll be happy to work on the types, base and utils | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: great, so what goes into mistral-lib, right? | 16:20 |
| hparekh_ | rakhmerov: can we use sub-blueprints kind of thing to track this work ? | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh_: yes, sure, great idea | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: file BPs for individual work items of Custom Actions API | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | ok, rbrady takes mistral-lib itself | 16:21 |
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| rbrady | rahkmerov: there is still the security module | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: assign mistral-lib work to Ryan Brady (rbrady) | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: what about that module? | 16:22 |
| hparekh_ | rbrady I would like to help in this work please let me know if any. | 16:22 |
| hparekh_ | rakhmerov: As discussed I will take up the yaql work | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh_: yes, please. Did you create a BP? | 16:23 |
| hparekh_ | rakhmerov: no | 16:23 |
| rbrady | rahkmerov: the security module might need some planning in a blueprint and discussion | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | #action hparekh_: create a BP for YAQL functions API | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: ok, can you start with this too? At least some initial problem statement, ideas | 16:24 |
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| rbrady | rahkmerov: yes | 16:24 |
| jpeeler | i can help with the security module if needed | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: because you probably know better than I do (for example) | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | jpeeler: ok | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | #action rbrady, jpeeler: start with initial proposal on security module for Actions API | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | so, maybe the only thing for now that we need to mention too is changes in engine and executor | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | there are two work items for this | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | I think moving OpenStack actions into mistral-extra is a little bit early to discuss | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | and it's a whole separate big topic | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | so, changes in engine and executor | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | as far as executor, I think that will be pretty simple (at least it seems so) | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | in engine it's more tricky probably | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | anyway, both engine and executor will depend on mistral-lib | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | one important requirement is to provide backward compatibility for at least next cycle (will it be Q cycle, right?) | 16:29 |
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| ddeja | (Ocata cycle is next cycle) | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | like, for example, actions are now allowed to return instances of mistral.workflow.utils.Result | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | this is <data, error> pair | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | we'll need to move it to mistral-lib | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | but we'll have to support both for a while | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | and spread deprecation notices all over the code and (most importantly) documentation | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | same with base Action class and other stuff | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | maybe it's not something special to have it as a separate subsystem (I mean deprecation) but we need to be accurate about this | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | and test for backwards compatibility | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: so probably, you need to sketch up all most needed stuff like Action, Result in mistral-lib first | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | and then those who will be making changes (maybe myself) in engine and executor could use these classes | 16:33 |
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| rbrady | rahkmerov: ack | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | very important question to me: do you think it's feasible to finish in N-3? | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | to me the answers seems to be "yes" | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | seem.. | 16:35 |
| rbrady | rahkmerov: I think so. what's the date for N-3? | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | it's basically the end of Aug | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: the bad thing is that I'll be on vacation most likely in Aug for 2 weeks | 16:36 |
| ddeja | 1st of September is the deadline, I guess | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | well, actually for it's good ) | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | I mean not for the project | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, then I'm just asking you to be in touch on that all the time | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | and bring up concerns and roadblocks earlier if they occur | 16:37 |
| rbrady | rahkmerov: ack | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | as far as moving OpenStack actions to mistral-extra | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | it's a really interesting piece of work | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | IMO | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | we'll be able to move it pretty easily | 16:38 |
| rbrady | I have a set of custom actions to consider when doing this work, but are there any other custom actions published anywhere else? | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | but we also need to address a number of things that are designed not well now | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: there's a bunch of actions created by our users but I don't think we need to take them into account | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | so basically, no | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | it's only mistral repo for now | 16:39 |
| rbrady | rahkmerov: I thought it might be helpful wrt to types | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | for those external actions we just need to provide backwards compatibility for now | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | wrt to types? | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | what do you mean? | 16:40 |
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| rbrady | rahkmerov: I wasn't sure if there are any other types commonly used in custom actions other than mistral.workflow.utils.Result | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, nothing else atm | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | it's just Result, and ActionException | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | there's also one more thing that's described in Action class docstring | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | action_context | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | special parameter that actions are allowed to have | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | we'll need to get rid of it too | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | as that stuff available through that param (like execution id) will be available in a different way now | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I think we're good here now | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | I'll file all sub blueprints tomorrow | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | any other comments here? | 16:44 |
| mgershen | +1 | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open discussion | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | one more thing that I'd like to pay your attention to is Mistral logo email thread | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | please take a look at the latest comments | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | I think most of you are aware of the special Foundation initiative on creating logos | 16:46 |
| ddeja | (side note - it is under [mistal] tag (missing r, took me a while to find it)) | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, yes, sorry | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | [openstack-dev] [mistal] Mistral logo ideas? | 16:47 |
| mgershen | I like the mascot idea | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | and we won't have to use what they create | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | if we don't like it we can come up with our own | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | but it'd be cool to have it with the same style as other projects | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | ok, guys, I'm done for today :) | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | any other topics, questions? | 16:49 |
| hparekh_ | not from my side | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | ok to shut down the meeting? | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | counting to 10 | 16:50 |
| rbrady | +1 | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | sold! | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | thanks for joining! :) | 16:50 |
| hparekh_ | thanks | 16:50 |
| ddeja | thanks, bye | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:50 |
| rbrady | bye | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 18 16:50:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-07-18-16.02.html | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-07-18-16.02.txt | 16:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-07-18-16.02.log.html | 16:50 |
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| ryanpetrello | #startmeeting astara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 18 18:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ryanpetrello. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'astara' | 18:00 |
| ryanpetrello | o/ markmcclain phil_h adam_g rods | 18:00 |
| phil_h | Hi ya' | 18:00 |
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| ryanpetrello | looks pretty empty today | 18:03 |
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| ryanpetrello | not much to update from me | 18:03 |
| ryanpetrello | I cut the rc2 release last week | 18:03 |
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| phil_h | I am looking to see if there is interest in helping create a astara installer for OSA | 18:04 |
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| ryanpetrello | we roll our own packages w/ chef at DH | 18:04 |
| ryanpetrello | but I'm sure somebody out there would be pleased to see ansible support :) | 18:05 |
| * ryanpetrello likes ansible a lot more than chef :D | 18:05 | |
| phil_h | Understad but it would help those OSA folks to try Astara | 18:05 |
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| phil_h | It has become the best OpenStack installer | 18:06 |
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| phil_h | If anyone is interested in helping let me know | 18:06 |
| phil_h | I am not sure if I have the bandwidth to do it mysqlf. | 18:07 |
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| ryanpetrello | same, I probably don't personally have time to look into it | 18:07 |
| ryanpetrello | but it's not a bad idea | 18:07 |
| phil_h | I will post updates on the astara channel to see if I can get any takers. | 18:08 |
| ryanpetrello | yea, that's probably a better venue for gauging interest | 18:08 |
| phil_h | I have been asked by the OSA ptl to do it. | 18:08 |
| ryanpetrello | more people who care about that project listening for it in there | 18:08 |
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| phil_h | or at least the security section lead | 18:09 |
| ryanpetrello | phil_h looks like it's just you and me today - you have anything else? | 18:09 |
| ryanpetrello | I don't have any updates other than the milestone 2 release last week | 18:09 |
| phil_h | No that is all | 18:09 |
| ryanpetrello | okay, cool | 18:09 |
| ryanpetrello | o/ | 18:09 |
| ryanpetrello | #endmeeting | 18:09 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 18 18:09:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-07-18-18.00.html | 18:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-07-18-18.00.txt | 18:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-07-18-18.00.log.html | 18:09 |
| phil_h | Can belisve we are that close to Newton | 18:09 |
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| krotscheck | Patifa: Thanks for getting the agenda ready | 21:46 |
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| Patifa | krotscheck it was craigs actually :D | 21:56 |
| Patifa | I just updated the wiki and archive ;D | 21:57 |
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| krotscheck | Patifa: In that case, thank you craigs! | 21:57 |
| craigs | You are welcome | 21:58 |
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| Patifa | craigs beat me to it | 21:59 |
| krotscheck | #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 18 22:00:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' | 22:00 |
| krotscheck | Happy monday everyone! | 22:00 |
| * krotscheck touched down in seattle about 3 hours ago, so he's still GMT+2 | 22:00 | |
| Patifa | hello! welcome back | 22:01 |
| * krotscheck may be a little woozy, please disregard any pokemon references. | 22:01 | |
| krotscheck | Who made it today? | 22:01 |
| calebb | o/ | 22:01 |
| craigs | o/ | 22:01 |
| Patifa | o/ | 22:02 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Logistics: What is an app. | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Logistics: What is an app. (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:02 | |
| krotscheck | Patifa: I wasn't in last weeks meeting, so I don't know exactly what question I should be asking. Mind filling me in? | 22:03 |
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| Patifa | i created an etherpad with the discussion so we could elaborate on that to have a final copy of the definition. | 22:03 |
| Patifa | we did not touch this last meeting though | 22:03 |
| reed | o/ | 22:03 |
| Patifa | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/App_Ecosystem_Workgroup-App_Definition | 22:04 |
| reed | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/App_Ecosystem_Workgroup-App_Definition | 22:04 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, what needs to be done to put this to rest? | 22:04 |
| Patifa | I guess write down the definition in another format and vote on it... | 22:05 |
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| Patifa | we can collaborate offline during the week | 22:05 |
| Patifa | bring it back next week and put it to rest... | 22:06 |
| krotscheck | Ok, is everyone willing ot take a look at the etherpad and try to draft somethign? | 22:06 |
| craigs | yep | 22:06 |
| Patifa | yep | 22:06 |
| krotscheck | #agreed WG to collaborate offline before next week's meeting and get a votable deliverable. | 22:06 |
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| reed | that discussion probably needs another pass on the mailing list, too | 22:07 |
| krotscheck | reed: We very deliberately closed the discussion on the mailing list. We need *something* to solidify, else we'll end up bikeshedding the topic to death. | 22:08 |
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| reed | FWIW I don't consider the point #4 part of the applications | 22:08 |
| reed | as you wish ... | 22:08 |
| reed | my gut feeling is that few people gave their thoughts | 22:08 |
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| reed | but it's fine to cut it anyway, can always be changed later | 22:09 |
| Patifa | so collaborate offline until Wednesday, create a votable delivery, bring it back to the mailing list perhaps? | 22:09 |
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| krotscheck | Well, once we have something, we can always revise. I'd like to remind people that we're not trying to be perfect the first time around. | 22:09 |
| reed | makes sense krotscheck | 22:09 |
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| reed | Patifa, I think it's enough to present the votable delivery to the list before it's voted on Monday | 22:10 |
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| Patifa | fine by me reed | 22:10 |
| reed | so people will have a chance to give one last look at it and say something | 22:10 |
| krotscheck | reed: That's a good point though, make sure that everyone knows that this isn't set in stone and we can keep iterating as issues arise. | 22:10 |
| krotscheck | But we do need to draw a line and ship something. | 22:10 |
| * reed agrees | 22:11 | |
| krotscheck | Alright, so: draft by wednesday, put it on list for vote next monday. | 22:11 |
| Patifa | ok. I'll do that | 22:11 |
| krotscheck | Sweet. | 22:11 |
| krotscheck | Are we ok with this topic? Shall we move on? | 22:11 |
| Patifa | #action Patifa draft by wednesday, put it on list for vote next monday | 22:12 |
| krotscheck | Alright, next: | 22:12 |
| krotscheck | #topic Hosted IRC | 22:12 |
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| krotscheck | docaedo: I think he said he couldn't make it and sent out a summary. | 22:13 |
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| * krotscheck is digging... | 22:14 | |
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| krotscheck | Here we are; | 22:14 |
| krotscheck | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-July/001116.html | 22:14 |
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| krotscheck | Specifically he issued a request for anyone good with Node.js willing ot help write the auth piece. | 22:15 |
| krotscheck | Any volunteers that aren't already swamped with other JS things? | 22:15 |
| krotscheck | :D | 22:15 |
| krotscheck | I'll take that as a no. We'll move on for now. | 22:16 |
| krotscheck | #topic FirstApp- jclouds | 22:16 |
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| krotscheck | craigs? | 22:16 |
| craigs | Updated the etherpad with the update from Martin | 22:16 |
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| craigs | He is making progress, but apparently the released version of jcloud is not compatible with Liberty | 22:17 |
| * krotscheck is reading that. | 22:17 | |
| craigs | so he is testing with a jcloud 2.x candidate | 22:17 |
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| krotscheck | The question about backporting is an interesting one. | 22:18 |
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| craigs | yes it is, don't know what will happen with that | 22:19 |
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| krotscheck | Ultimately, I feel that what we ship should be current with the version of openstack that it's released with. I don't suppose we've talked about versioning our firstapp efforts alongside the integrated release? | 22:19 |
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| Patifa | nope AFAIK | 22:20 |
| craigs | We have not that I am aware of. At a minimum label what it was tested with and put in a list of issues | 22:20 |
| krotscheck | craigs: That's an excellent first start. | 22:20 |
| reed | i wonder what doesn't work | 22:20 |
| craigs | I don't know that the libcloud runs without issue with Keystone V3 | 22:21 |
| Patifa | yep.. de we know the current status? | 22:21 |
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| reed | i haven't looked at that java code in a while... | 22:22 |
| * krotscheck does java in his fun time. | 22:22 | |
| krotscheck | Ultimately, having a different version of jclouds isn't tragic. | 22:22 |
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| krotscheck | The extensions namespace though... that kinda feels like an xml parsing thing? | 22:22 |
| * krotscheck doesn't know. | 22:23 | |
| krotscheck | Either way, I see progress being made, and I don't really think jclouds 2.0 is a huge issue as long as we do what craigs suggested and note our own compatibility tests. | 22:23 |
| craigs | agree | 22:23 |
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| krotscheck | Any disagreements? | 22:24 |
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| Patifa | nope | 22:24 |
| krotscheck | #topic FirstApp Status- Shade | 22:25 |
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| mbonell | block storage - done, I'll sent to review tonight | 22:25 |
| krotscheck | mbonell: Same with Scaling Out? It's marked as in progress. | 22:26 |
| mbonell | it's on review too | 22:26 |
| krotscheck | Nice. Patch? | 22:26 |
| mbonell | not approved yet | 22:26 |
| mbonell | yes | 22:26 |
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| calebb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341011/ | 22:27 |
| calebb | you have a -1 | 22:27 |
| krotscheck | Cool, etherpad updated. | 22:27 |
| krotscheck | mbonell: Anything specific you want to bring up on this, or can we move on? | 22:28 |
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| mbonell | move on | 22:28 |
| krotscheck | #topic FirstApp Status: Fog | 22:28 |
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| krotscheck | No progress in 4 weeks, I suggest we drop it from the agenda. | 22:28 |
| * Patifa agrees | 22:29 | |
| craigs | Who is Sean? | 22:29 |
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| craigs | Anybody following up with him since he doesn't appear to attend | 22:29 |
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| * krotscheck remembers that someone sits next to sean. | 22:29 | |
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| craigs | Well move it to paused, or someone try and figure out who Sean is and ask for an update? | 22:30 |
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| krotscheck | Sean is Sean Handley, I don't have an email address for him in the google doc. | 22:31 |
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| craigs | Sean Handley <sean.handley@datacentred.co.uk> | 22:31 |
| craigs | I will ask for an update | 22:31 |
| reed | maybe it's time to consider if the format of that first-app tutorial will ever be completed for anything else but libcloud and maybe shade ... it's 1 year old IIRC and still no port completed to other sdks | 22:32 |
| krotscheck | Thank you, craigs. | 22:32 |
| craigs | #Action Craig check with Sean Handley on FOG Firstapp status | 22:33 |
| craigs | oops didn't mean to cap action, not sure if that breaks it | 22:33 |
| krotscheck | reed: That seems relevant to a discussion we had two weeks ago about how different kinds of app developers might use the SDK's (i.e. browser devs vs. ops devs) | 22:33 |
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| krotscheck | reed: I'll bring that up on list, feels like a discussion best had not under time constraint. | 22:34 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Check bitrot on first-app tutorial and start discussion. | 22:35 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Firstapp Status: js-openstack-lib | 22:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Firstapp Status: js-openstack-lib (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:36 | |
| * krotscheck is back from vacation! Will be able to give more of an update next monday. | 22:36 | |
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| krotscheck | However, I did submit a talk to the summit called "Beyond Horizon: Building custom interfaces with the JavaScript SDK" | 22:36 |
| mbonell | nice | 22:37 |
| krotscheck | So I'm more or less on the hook now to deliver by barcelona ;) | 22:37 |
| krotscheck | Any questions? Else I'll move on. | 22:37 |
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| krotscheck | #topic FirstApp Status: IOpenStack | 22:38 |
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| krotscheck | notmars, you around? | 22:38 |
| craigs | don't see him online | 22:38 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, moving on. | 22:39 |
| krotscheck | #topic FirstApp Status: Heat | 22:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FirstApp Status: Heat (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:39 | |
| craigs | Update is in the etherpad | 22:39 |
| krotscheck | #chair Patifa | 22:39 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Patifa krotscheck | 22:39 |
| craigs | Bascially still need to look more into whats been done, I forgot to do it last week | 22:39 |
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| krotscheck | craigs: Happens to us all. Thanks for keeping us up to date. | 22:40 |
| krotscheck | #topic FirstApp Status: Murano | 22:40 |
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| craigs | Update also in etherpad | 22:40 |
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| craigs | I wasn't sure what to respond to them using a different app than the fractal one | 22:41 |
| craigs | do we care | 22:41 |
| * krotscheck doesn't know enough about the context of these bits to comment. | 22:41 | |
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| krotscheck | This happened in the last two weeks, yes? | 22:41 |
| craigs | yes last week | 22:41 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, I need to educate myself on the context then. Patifa, do you have a comment re: craigs question on the fractal app? | 22:43 |
| craigs | We added a firstapp for heat and murano figuring that people are as likely or more likely to deploy such an app via these tools as they are to use SDK's to manipulate the underlying IaaS | 22:43 |
| krotscheck | That makes sense. | 22:43 |
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| Patifa | doesnt' matter what app, right? | 22:44 |
| Patifa | craigs? | 22:44 |
| craigs | I don't really care | 22:44 |
| craigs | I will ask them to try and follow the general flow of the firstapp | 22:44 |
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| craigs | creating instances, security groups, kicking off everything, scaling out etc. | 22:45 |
| krotscheck | Works for me. | 22:45 |
| Patifa | same here | 22:45 |
| krotscheck | craigs: Go be an expert on all the things. | 22:46 |
| craigs | LOL know more heat that I wish :) | 22:46 |
| krotscheck | Ya know, craigs has been answering all the firstapp questions today (with one noted exception). Let's just rename firstapp the Craig Radio Hour ;) | 22:46 |
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| Patifa | heheheh | 22:47 |
| craigs | Oh by the way when I created the agenda, I also stopped at firstapp :) | 22:47 |
| krotscheck | Oh. | 22:47 |
| krotscheck | Well then. | 22:47 |
| * krotscheck sighs. | 22:47 | |
| krotscheck | #topic App hackathon | 22:47 |
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| Patifa | mbonell | 22:48 |
| mbonell | we are talking w/universities to get participants (students) | 22:49 |
| mbonell | trainings - done | 22:49 |
| mbonell | local communities are supporting the hackathon with mentors :) | 22:49 |
| mbonell | working in the infra for the event | 22:50 |
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| krotscheck | mbonell: Did cloud resources materialize? I remember that vhdiaz was going to talk to internap and/or redhat. | 22:50 |
| mbonell | still in progress | 22:50 |
| krotscheck | Alright. | 22:50 |
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| Patifa | mbonell did Piet joined the hackathon meeting about asking participants if they want to be part of user research? | 22:50 |
| mbonell | tomorrow is the meeting | 22:51 |
| Patifa | last week, I mean | 22:51 |
| mbonell | ahh, nop | 22:51 |
| krotscheck | 9 minute warning | 22:51 |
| Patifa | All right. This might be an interesting topic for the future. How to help the UX project build a database of app developers we can use for research. | 22:52 |
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| krotscheck | Righto | 22:53 |
| craigs | Agree | 22:53 |
| * krotscheck waves at notmars ;) | 22:53 | |
| notmars | sorry guys | 22:53 |
| notmars | a bit over the place these days | 22:53 |
| notmars | I heard by my spies that there was a question :P | 22:53 |
| krotscheck | notmars: Can you give us a 1 minute update on IOpenstack? | 22:53 |
| Patifa | just realised we have not talked about the ongoing userstudy either. | 22:53 |
| notmars | regarding IOpenstack and FirstAppGuide, I'm starting the intro_cloud part | 22:54 |
| krotscheck | Patifa: yeah, we should probably look at our agenda and trim things down, it's getting a bit leaky. | 22:54 |
| krotscheck | notmars: Thank you! | 22:55 |
| notmars | I'm also adding datacentred as one of the default providers supported | 22:55 |
| krotscheck | 5 minute warning. | 22:55 |
| Patifa | #action Patifa trim agenda for next meeting, consider adding user research efforts. | 22:55 |
| * notmars finished | 22:55 | |
| krotscheck | Patifa: Add me to that action. | 22:56 |
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| krotscheck | :) | 22:56 |
| Patifa | krotscheck ok! | 22:56 |
| krotscheck | Ok, barcelona. | 22:56 |
| krotscheck | #topic Barcelona | 22:56 |
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| krotscheck | flanders mentioned that they're doing a first run of SDK training at EuroPython this week. Good feedback to be expected soon | 22:56 |
| krotscheck | Other than that, thank you everyone for submitting all the talks! | 22:57 |
| krotscheck | Any comments on barcelona? Else we'll just do open discussion | 22:57 |
| Patifa | I've requested room for our meeting as well as the bof session too | 22:57 |
| krotscheck | Patifa++ | 22:57 |
| krotscheck | Alright, open discussion | 22:58 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 22:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:58 | |
| krotscheck | 2 minutes :) | 22:58 |
| Patifa | it'd be nice if ppl updated the list of sessios proposed in the etherpad | 22:58 |
| * krotscheck added his talk | 22:59 | |
| Patifa | do we want a separate etherpad to track this? | 22:59 |
| krotscheck | Patifa: Won't hurt. Reduces duplication | 23:00 |
| krotscheck | Ok, time. Thanks everyone! | 23:00 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 23:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 18 23:00:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-07-18-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-07-18-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-07-18-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
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| Patifa | I'll take the action to create it :D see ya everyone! | 23:00 |
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