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thinrichs | courtesy ping: ramineni_, ekcs, aimeeu, masahito | 00:01 |
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thinrichs | Time for the Congress meeting | 00:01 |
thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 8 00:01:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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aimeeu | hello! | 00:02 |
ekcs | hi all | 00:02 |
thinrichs | Hi all | 00:02 |
thinrichs | Here's agenda for this week.. | 00:03 |
ramineni_ | hi | 00:03 |
thinrichs | 1. Testing for newton release | 00:03 |
thinrichs | 2. First project teams gathering | 00:03 |
thinrichs | 3. Status | 00:03 |
thinrichs | Anything else? | 00:04 |
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thinrichs | We'll start with number 2 | 00:04 |
thinrichs | #topic First project teams gathering | 00:04 |
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thinrichs | Here's Thierry's announcement about how the OpenStack conference and design summit are being split | 00:05 |
thinrichs | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/102981.html | 00:05 |
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thinrichs | Or at least, that's the announcement for the first occurrence of the design summit after the split | 00:05 |
thinrichs | One of the ramifications is that the Ocata session will be slightly shorter than normal. | 00:06 |
thinrichs | The bigger consequence is that there will be 4 OpenStack events per year instead of 2. | 00:07 |
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thinrichs | We'll all need to figure out how travel budgets will impact our ability to congregate and coordinate which events we'll be attending. | 00:08 |
thinrichs | Questions, comments? | 00:08 |
aimeeu | Have you heard whether the Project Team Gatherings will be held outside of North America once a year? | 00:08 |
thinrichs | I have no info outside the mailing list. | 00:08 |
thinrichs | So no. I don't know where they're planning on holding events. | 00:09 |
aimeeu | OK - there's nothing on the official FAQ either. | 00:09 |
thinrichs | I'd guess they'd rotate it like they do today, given how many international contributors there are | 00:09 |
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aimeeu | that would be fair | 00:09 |
thinrichs | #topic Testing for newton | 00:10 |
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thinrichs | Today I was trying to test HA/HT and realized I don't know exactly how to do it. | 00:10 |
thinrichs | The HA guides are a start. | 00:10 |
thinrichs | Has anyone set up the full HAHT of Congress and done manual testing? | 00:11 |
thinrichs | Multiple PE+API nodes, 1 DSD node, a load-balancer | 00:11 |
thinrichs | running with the other OpenStack components like Nova/Neutron | 00:11 |
ekcs | not yet. still working to finish automated testing. | 00:11 |
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ramineni_ | not yet | 00:12 |
ekcs | we need to add load-balancer instructions to guide. | 00:12 |
thinrichs | Do we know how to set it up with devstack? | 00:13 |
thinrichs | It'd be nice if we could spin up devstack to get all the other components. | 00:13 |
thinrichs | Then to spin up Congress on 2 other VMs | 00:13 |
thinrichs | Maybe 3 VMs (2 for PE+API and 1 DSD) | 00:13 |
thinrichs | And then 1 VM for a load balancer | 00:13 |
ekcs | should be relatively straightforward. | 00:14 |
ramineni_ | devstack problem is we cant start 2 PE+API like we discussed before | 00:14 |
ramineni_ | because they start on same node? | 00:15 |
ekcs | just need to start other instances of congress using the same configs, after devstack is done setting up. | 00:15 |
thinrichs | ramineni_: Even if we could start 2 PE+APIs inside devstack, we'd want to test on separate nodes. | 00:15 |
ramineni_ | right | 00:15 |
thinrichs | Devstack only runs on 1 node, right? | 00:15 |
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aimeeu | devstack can run on multiple nodes | 00:15 |
ramineni_ | multinode is there i suppose..but i dont know how that works | 00:15 |
clarkb | you can also run multiple processes on a single instance too | 00:16 |
thinrichs | ekcs: If I remember right, a standalone Congress install isn't trivial. And we'd need to add rabbitmq | 00:16 |
clarkb | might need to modify devstack to make that happen though | 00:16 |
aimeeu | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides/multinode-lab.html | 00:16 |
thinrichs | aimeeu: thanks for the link | 00:17 |
aimeeu | I haven't yet tried to do that | 00:17 |
thinrichs | clarkb: is that the right link to help us, would you say? | 00:17 |
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thinrichs | Does anyone know how other teams test their HA deployments? | 00:17 |
ekcs | thinrichs: right… | 00:17 |
thinrichs | Do they automate the whole thing with puppet/ansible/…? | 00:18 |
clarkb | thats basically how the gate multinode works, we run devstack twice once on each node with different settings for each | 00:18 |
thinrichs | clarkb: naive question: do the 2 devstack nodes communicate correctly over rabbitmq? | 00:19 |
clarkb | thinrichs: yes | 00:19 |
clarkb | its a functionaing two node cloud. One node is controller + compute all in one and the second node is a compute host | 00:19 |
ekcs | hmm that’d be helpful to leverage devstack to set up additional nodes. cuz manual install in complex like thinrichs said. will have to slog through devstack settings I guess to do it correctly. | 00:20 |
ekcs | and add to the plugin piece. | 00:21 |
thinrichs | Seems we'd want 4 devstack nodes then: 1 with everything but congress, 2 with just Congress in PE+API mode, and 1 with just Congress in DSD mode. | 00:21 |
thinrichs | Then we'd just need a LB, and we could (manually) test. | 00:21 |
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aimeeu | thinrichs: is this helpful? Manual validation of cinder a/a patches: http://gorka.eguileor.com/manual-validation-of-cinder-aa-patches/ | 00:22 |
thinrichs | That doesn't sound too bad, since we probably all have a devstack VM we can clone a few times | 00:22 |
thinrichs | aimeeu: that looks really helpful—exactly the kind of testing we're trying to do | 00:23 |
thinrichs | I'll take an action item to try to get something working and report back. | 00:23 |
thinrichs | Anyone else want to give it a try, so we don't have 1 point of failure? | 00:23 |
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ekcs | I can take a look too, but atm I’m prioritizing | 00:24 |
ekcs | same node diff process testing. | 00:24 |
thinrichs | ekcs: you're busy getting the auto testing in place | 00:24 |
thinrichs | ekcs: right that that's higher priority | 00:24 |
thinrichs | I should be able to find the time to do this | 00:25 |
thinrichs | #action thinrichs will set up multi-node manual testing and report back on how to do it | 00:25 |
thinrichs | Moving on... | 00:25 |
thinrichs | #topic Status | 00:25 |
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thinrichs | ramineni_: want to give your status update? | 00:26 |
ramineni_ | sure | 00:26 |
ramineni_ | added a non-voting multiple PE gate job, so we could test it properly | 00:27 |
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ramineni_ | and fixed some of the issues we came across the HA testing | 00:27 |
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ramineni_ | thats it from my side | 00:28 |
thinrichs | Any of those issues during HA testing worrisome? | 00:28 |
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ramineni_ | still no stable yet ..hopefully we will get it done.. eric is working on that too | 00:28 |
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thinrichs | ok | 00:29 |
thinrichs | aimeeu: want to go next? | 00:29 |
aimeeu | ok | 00:29 |
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aimeeu | I've been looking into configuring Congress for pydevd remote debugging. Looked at several OpenStack projects - I like the way Trove handles it. Tried implementing it in Congress - didn't work but I am learning quite a bit about how Congress starts up; also looking at historical code changes in github regarding congress installation on devstack. I have | 00:29 |
aimeeu | questions that I'll put into an email later after I've organized my thoughts. | 00:29 |
aimeeu | that's it for me | 00:30 |
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thinrichs | aimeeu: thanks. Let us know if you need any help digging through the startup code | 00:30 |
aimeeu | thanks - will do | 00:30 |
thinrichs | ekcs: want to go next? | 00:31 |
ekcs | sure. | 00:31 |
ekcs | Mostly resolving testing issues with HAHT. Getting the tempest test to stabilize. Still not sure why occassional errors occur with instances not converging. | 00:31 |
ekcs | Hoping that local multi-process testing will shed more light. I have a basic local multi-process test framework setup. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358927/ | 00:31 |
patchbot | patch 358927 - congress - WIP - local HA tests | 00:31 |
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ekcs | it’s working on my machine, but somehow failing on gerrit. I’m hoping it’s not because of a system config that disallows spawning new processes and http’ing them. | 00:32 |
ekcs | but even if it ultimately doesn’t work in gerrit it’s still useful tests to have in place. | 00:33 |
ekcs | other than that, just identifying scattered issues and bugs as I go. | 00:33 |
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clarkb | you cant bind to privileged ports in those jobs but you can use many of the other thousands of ports | 00:34 |
clarkb | running tox should not require root | 00:34 |
thinrichs | clarkb: spinning up new processes is allowed (e.g. with subprocess.Popen)? | 00:35 |
ekcs | clarkb: ah great. | 00:35 |
clarkb | thinrichs: yes | 00:35 |
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ekcs | I’m using ports 4001 and 4002. | 00:35 |
thinrichs | We're passing cwd=helper.root_path(). Could that be a problem on a different machine? | 00:36 |
ekcs | thinrichs: shouldn’t be because it’s relative to the helper.py file. | 00:37 |
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ekcs | thinrichs: but still worth checking at some point. | 00:37 |
thinrichs | I can do a quick status update | 00:38 |
ekcs | anyway the failure is that I Popen a new congress server, and then http it, but connertion fails exceeding retry limit. | 00:38 |
ekcs | thinrichs: didn’t mean to cut you off. | 00:40 |
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thinrichs | Nothing jumps to mind, other than a firewall on the OS. | 00:40 |
thinrichs | ekcs: no problem | 00:40 |
thinrichs | Did some manual testing. | 00:40 |
thinrichs | Reasonably comprehensive within devstack. Not trying corner-cases, but just hitting all the core functionality. | 00:41 |
thinrichs | Some testing across processes; seems good too. | 00:41 |
thinrichs | Getting a real HAHT env set up is next | 00:41 |
thinrichs | Did notice we're returning some stack-traces as part of the HTTP error message. | 00:42 |
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thinrichs | That's some low-hanging fruit I'd say. | 00:42 |
thinrichs | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1620868 | 00:42 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1620868 in congress "Stack trace returned to end-user" [Undecided,New] | 00:42 |
thinrichs | aimeeu: might be a good one to take on | 00:42 |
aimeeu | yep I was just looking at it | 00:43 |
thinrichs | That's it from me. | 00:43 |
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thinrichs | aimeeu: cool! | 00:43 |
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thinrichs | Just found out I need to leave the meeting early today (in 2 min). | 00:43 |
thinrichs | Anything else for me before I take off? | 00:43 |
thinrichs | #topic open discussion | 00:43 |
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thinrichs | I'll try to make ekcs chair before I leave… | 00:44 |
thinrichs | #chair ekcs | 00:44 |
openstack | Current chairs: ekcs thinrichs | 00:44 |
ramineni_ | im on vacation next week , wont be able to attend meting | 00:44 |
ekcs | clarkb: any suggestions for how to see if a port may be blocked on a gerrit vm? | 00:44 |
thinrichs | ramineni_: okay. Thanks. Enjoy your vacation! | 00:44 |
thinrichs | That reminds me. I can't make the meeting either. I'll be traveling. | 00:44 |
clarkb | ekcs: I can look at job logs in a minute | 00:44 |
clarkb | I'm over in #openstack-infra | 00:45 |
thinrichs | ekcs: can you run next week's meeting? | 00:45 |
ekcs | clarkb: got it thanks so much. | 00:45 |
ekcs | thinrichs: sure thing. | 00:45 |
thinrichs | Got to run. See you all later! | 00:45 |
ekcs | later. | 00:46 |
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ekcs | so… anything else to discuss? or should we just end early? | 00:47 |
ekcs | anyone followed why the design summit split? | 00:47 |
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ekcs | 4 events a year is A LOT | 00:48 |
aimeeu | I heard it was to facilitate better inter-team collaboration | 00:48 |
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aimeeu | as well as to provide developers with a better working atmosphere - something about too many parties at the regular Summit (gossip of course) | 00:48 |
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ekcs | hahaha. | 00:49 |
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aimeeu | the Foundation said it was going to look at boring cities for the gatherings | 00:49 |
clarkb | ekcs: I think that your pe1 and pe2 objects are local to setUp and will be GC'd so there isn't anything listening for the cleint to connect to | 00:50 |
aimeeu | but I agree - 4x/year is a lot. The FAQ said it's up to individual teams to decide which events to attend | 00:50 |
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ekcs | clarkb: oh thanks a lot for the help! But Hmm I didn’t know that it mattered if the process handle got GC’ed. | 00:51 |
clarkb | if your process isn't backgrounding that means it gets killed I think. (and it probably shouldn't background as init won't know what to do with it) | 00:52 |
ekcs | clarkb: plus, the failure is occurring within setUp where I http to the new process just after starting up. | 00:53 |
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clarkb | ah I see that now maybe you aren't waiting long enough for the listening process to actually bind? | 00:53 |
clarkb | also typically we will recommend you listen on port 0 then get the actual port somehow to avoid conflicts between test | 00:54 |
ekcs | clarkb: I could retry longer. But I tihnk it’s up to 20s now. should be plenty? | 00:54 |
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clarkb | depends on the process you are starting. I don't know how long it will take | 00:55 |
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ekcs | clarkb: oh that sounds like something I should learn more about. starting on port 0 then get port. | 00:55 |
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ekcs | clarkb: is there an example of that somewhere? Thanks so much! I’m very new to this. | 00:56 |
clarkb | also both processes use the same sqlite db (not sure sqlite will like that) and the path is rooted to a path that may not exist? not sure how that gets translated to a disk path | 00:56 |
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ekcs | clarkb: Right I’ll need to be careful with sqlite. Thanks! | 00:57 |
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ekcs | clarkb: it may be that the path translation works differently between my machine and gerrit. thanks for the pointer! | 00:58 |
ekcs | anyway we’re coming up to time. anything last minute? | 00:58 |
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clarkb | I don't recall the location of any good port 0 usage off the top of my head. But when you use port zero linux gives you a free port to listen on then you have to determine which port it is someway. YOu can ask the scoket object ni python. But this ensures you don't have conflicting port use between threads or processes | 00:58 |
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ekcs | clarkb: got it thanks for the crash course! | 00:59 |
ekcs | Alright time’s up. | 00:59 |
ekcs | Thanks all! | 00:59 |
ekcs | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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clarkb | ekcs: my other suggestion would be to get logging out of the subprocesses and expose that in your test | 01:00 |
clarkb | could just be they are failing and we don't capture the logs/output in those tests | 01:00 |
ekcs | clarkb: yup thanks. That’s my next TODO. Could be something failing due to sqlite. | 01:01 |
ekcs | clarkb: Thanks a TON! You’ve probably saved me multiple days =p | 01:01 |
clarkb | no problem | 01:02 |
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gmann | #startmeeting qa | 08:59 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 8 08:59:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:59 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:59 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 08:59 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 08:59 |
gmann | who's here for today? | 08:59 |
masayukig | o/ | 08:59 |
hferenc | \o | 09:00 |
* masayukig was surprised at a little bit early starting :) | 09:00 | |
gmann | masayukig: hferenc: hi | 09:00 |
gmann | masayukig: oh is it :) | 09:00 |
dmellado | hi guys | 09:00 |
hferenc | hi | 09:00 |
* dmellado too was surprised, xD | 09:01 | |
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masayukig | dmellado : heh :) | 09:01 |
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gmann | its was already 09.00 UTC in my PC :) | 09:01 |
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gmann | andreaf: afazekas mkoderer : ping for meeting in case available | 09:02 |
masayukig | gmann : heh, you need a ntpd or something like that :) | 09:02 |
gmann | masayukig: its from internet how it can be wrong :) | 09:02 |
dmellado | gmann: lol | 09:02 |
gmann | anyways let's start the meeting | 09:03 |
* masayukig nods | 09:03 | |
gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_September_8th_2016_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:03 |
gmann | Today agenda ^^ | 09:03 |
gmann | #topic Newton Priorities | 09:04 |
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gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-qa-newton-priorities | 09:04 |
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gmann | we will not go with each topic. | 09:04 |
gmann | I think the highest priority cleanup one is around 40% done | 09:05 |
masayukig | cool | 09:05 |
gmann | but there are lot of things still pending which we can target in code sprint | 09:06 |
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gmann | for other items also we will discuss in code sprint | 09:06 |
dmellado | gmann: I'd like to get some help on the test class hierarchy squash on the code sprint | 09:07 |
gmann | oomichi might be picking up the priority one there | 09:07 |
dmellado | for the lib/migration I thing we're on pretty good track | 09:07 |
gmann | dmellado: great, but you can always start before that also :) | 09:07 |
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gmann | dmellado: only service client but there are many things pending for migration | 09:07 |
gmann | but that we covers one by one not so urgent | 09:08 |
gmann | anyways let's move | 09:09 |
dmellado | in any case for the remaining items I guess we'll cover that in the sprint | 09:09 |
dmellado | yeah | 09:09 |
gmann | dmellado: true | 09:09 |
gmann | #topic QA Code Sprint | 09:09 |
*** openstack changes topic to "QA Code Sprint (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:09 | |
gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/QAInfraNewtonSprint | 09:09 |
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gmann | details here ^^ | 09:09 |
gmann | there are still 5 seats available | 09:09 |
gmann | i am surprised not to see andreaf name there | 09:10 |
dmellado | gmann: he was going to be on PTO, IIRC | 09:10 |
dmellado | so he couldn't make it | 09:10 |
gmann | ahh | 09:10 |
gmann | i remember to see his name there but do not know | 09:11 |
gmann | anyways here is etherpad link for collecting the ideas | 09:11 |
gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-infra-newton-midcycle | 09:11 |
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gmann | write up your idea/items you are planning to work if not listed already | 09:12 |
masayukig | ok | 09:12 |
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gmann | if nothing on this can we move to next topic | 09:13 |
dmellado | let's move on | 09:13 |
gmann | #topic Specs Reviews | 09:13 |
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gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 09:14 |
gmann | not much new spec but we should review the exiting one | 09:14 |
gmann | i did not get chance to look into those since 1 month seems | 09:14 |
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gmann | anyone has any updates or want to discuss | 09:15 |
gmann | ok let's jump to next one | 09:16 |
gmann | #topic Tempest | 09:16 |
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gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open | 09:16 |
gmann | ^^ ongoing reviews | 09:16 |
dmellado | I could use some +2+A on the ones that already got a +2 from oomichi | 09:17 |
dmellado | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/consistent-service-method-names | 09:17 |
gmann | many has +2 one so review those | 09:17 |
gmann | dmellado: yea :) you will for sure | 09:17 |
dmellado | gmann: so please do review them if you've the time ;) | 09:18 |
gmann | dmellado: sure but may be tomorrow, i have to prepare the visa doc today | 09:18 |
dmellado | gmann: oh, no prob, thanks in any case! | 09:18 |
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gmann | dmellado: anyways nice progress in identity clients | 09:18 |
dmellado | we'll tackle volume ones now | 09:18 |
gmann | hope we will finish all clients by code sprint | 09:19 |
gmann | next is Bug triage things | 09:19 |
gmann | oomichi: started a graph collection on those | 09:19 |
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gmann | #link https://github.com/oomichi/bug-counter#current-graph | 09:19 |
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masayukig | #link https://github.com/oomichi/bug-counter/blob/master/tempest_bug_count.png | 09:20 |
masayukig | is this? | 09:20 |
gmann | masayukig: how about including existing bugs data in dashboard may be critical/hogh priority one | 09:20 |
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gmann | masayukig: yea | 09:20 |
gmann | that can give more eyes from project on critical open bugs? | 09:21 |
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gmann | but not sure masayukig and mtreinish can provide opinion on this | 09:21 |
dmellado | I think it's a nice idea | 09:21 |
masayukig | gmann : which dashboard? o-h? | 09:22 |
gmann | masayukig: yea | 09:22 |
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masayukig | hrm, it seems nice. | 09:22 |
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gmann | ok. anyways let's decide that later | 09:23 |
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masayukig | sure :) | 09:23 |
gmann | we stopped doing the regular bug traige and open bug count is high seems | 09:23 |
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gmann | i remember many people volunteers for that in last summit :) | 09:24 |
dmellado | gmann: masayukig how about adding a bug fixing section to the mid-cycle items | 09:24 |
jordanP | bug fixing is not something you do "one day" and be done with it | 09:24 |
jordanP | we have to do it, every week | 09:24 |
gmann | we can discuss this also in code sprint may be assigning a permanent or turn wise | 09:25 |
masayukig | +1 jordanP | 09:25 |
dmellado | jordanP: I know, but at least if we could get rid of some stuff by the code sprint it'd be nice | 09:25 |
gmann | jordanP: yea but if we have someone looking up daily for those will be nice | 09:25 |
jordanP | I have this handy bookmark: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 09:25 |
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jordanP | most of the bug reports are not real bug, most of the work is actually replyinq/asking some question | 09:25 |
gmann | yea count is 30 | 09:25 |
gmann | weekly also works if we have some assignee there | 09:26 |
dmellado | +1 to adding bug triage/assignment to weekly meeting | 09:26 |
gmann | yea, let's add that in code sprint agenda | 09:26 |
gmann | #action gmann to add bug triage topic in code sprint etherpad | 09:26 |
gmann | next one is from hferenc | 09:27 |
gmann | hferenc: please go ahead | 09:27 |
hferenc | okay | 09:27 |
hferenc | first of all i'm aware of what a -2 means | 09:28 |
hferenc | and i sort of agree with oomichi | 09:28 |
hferenc | however i cannot find a way to implement this in nova | 09:28 |
jordanP | link ? | 09:29 |
hferenc | sry | 09:29 |
hferenc | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315786/ | 09:29 |
patchbot | patch 315786 - tempest - Add test case to test the reset action of libvirt ... | 09:29 |
dmellado | hferenc: about that, I might've some related stuff | 09:29 |
gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315786/ | 09:29 |
patchbot | patch 315786 - tempest - Add test case to test the reset action of libvirt ... | 09:29 |
gmann | hferenc: you mean to add test in nova? | 09:29 |
dmellado | there was some stuff in nova that we wanted to tackle but we needed to interact directly with libvirt | 09:29 |
* andreaf o/ | 09:29 | |
dmellado | and I was proposing this | 09:29 |
dmellado | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366091/ | 09:29 |
patchbot | patch 366091 - openstack-infra/project-config - Adds a new project: nova-tempest-staging | 09:29 |
dmellado | I was going to bring this on the open discussion | 09:29 |
dmellado | hey andreaf o/ | 09:30 |
* masayukig waves | 09:30 | |
dmellado | hferenc: could you please summarize the issue you were tackling? | 09:30 |
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gmann | dmellado: any example on that category which cannot go in tempest or nova | 09:30 |
andreaf | hello everyone, sorry I'm late | 09:31 |
gmann | yea that will be nice to understand background | 09:31 |
gmann | andreaf: hi, | 09:31 |
hferenc | the test would verify that everything happens if hw:watchdog_action extra spec is set | 09:31 |
dmellado | gmann: in my case, basically from what I was told, things that should interact directly with libvirt | 09:31 |
hferenc | i was able to verify tho whole process in tempest | 09:31 |
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hferenc | however the solution is kind of on the edge regarding the tempest design priciples | 09:32 |
jordanP | I kinda agree this is going to be hard to maintain in Tempest | 09:32 |
jordanP | it's a very small feature that I doubt a lot of people use | 09:32 |
hferenc | but the libvirt driver is mocked in nova functional test so i can only check whether the flavor has a specific flag | 09:33 |
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gmann | hferenc: yea that is fake driver nova use | 09:33 |
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hferenc | yepp | 09:33 |
hferenc | so i cannot check what happen when that flag is set | 09:34 |
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masayukig | hmm, should we have a new tempest test repository for like these niche cases..? | 09:34 |
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dmellado | masayukig: I think that'd be great | 09:35 |
jordanP | I think if it's a feature valuable to hferenc then it's the way to go, imo | 09:35 |
gmann | humm, am not sure why we cannot do in tempest | 09:35 |
dmellado | gmann: could we add such feature in tempest? | 09:35 |
dmellado | interacting with libvirt in such way?¿ | 09:35 |
gmann | only issue i see about the waiting on rebooting of instance by watchdog | 09:35 |
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andreaf | hferenc, dmellado, masayukig, gmann: the test does not involve much more than nova really, so it sounds like something that should be tested in nova | 09:36 |
jordanP | libvirt only tests are not really nice to Xen/VMWare etc... | 09:36 |
gmann | yea something we can skip for others driver | 09:36 |
jordanP | and we would have to maintain image_ref_watchdog, a specific glance image | 09:36 |
gmann | andreaf: actually in nova, tests use fake driver only | 09:36 |
andreaf | hferenc, gmann: I understand that nova functional tests use the fake driver today, but that doesn't mean that it can't be changed if there is a use case | 09:37 |
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andreaf | it may be possible to extend the fake driver to cover what you need, or to have a different job that uses a real hypervisor | 09:37 |
gmann | andreaf: hferenc yea, i remember there was plan to build up full stack for nova testing in nova | 09:38 |
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jordanP | and this requires CONF.validation.run_validation which we don't have enabled in the gate jobs by default | 09:38 |
gmann | but i think in Atlanta summit | 09:38 |
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jordanP | meah, overall atm, imo, it's a bad idea to support this inside Tempest itself | 09:38 |
gmann | jordanP: thats should be ok to run on ssh job only | 09:38 |
hferenc | jordanP: the watchdog image is the same as the original images, except that i added one extra kernel module for the watchdog device | 09:39 |
gmann | but yea driver specific things yes we should be carefull | 09:39 |
jordanP | which ssh-jobs ? The flaky ones, non voting ? The jobs no one is taking care of ? | 09:39 |
gmann | jordanP: :), yea we will make voting that soon | 09:39 |
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jordanP | I heard that a long time ago already. I am all on favor of making it voting but we need to do it step by step. The more tests we throw that required ssh_validation, the harder it will be to stabilize the job | 09:40 |
andreaf | gmann, jordanP: still I don't think this belongs into tempest - it can be written in tempest format but it doesn't have to live in the tempest tree | 09:40 |
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dmellado | andreaf: that was as well my idea | 09:40 |
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dmellado | my concern is about where putting up those kind of tests | 09:41 |
dmellado | should we try to 'unify' those | 09:41 |
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jordanP | tempest-plugin | 09:41 |
dmellado | I'm afraid of upcoming 'tempest-like' style repos coming up | 09:41 |
gmann | tempest like repo is not good idea | 09:41 |
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dmellado | jordanP: yep, that was the idea on here | 09:41 |
gmann | plugin suits then | 09:41 |
dmellado | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366091/ | 09:41 |
patchbot | patch 366091 - openstack-infra/project-config - Adds a new project: nova-tempest-staging | 09:41 |
jordanP | that's the point of tempest/lib, to have a lot of tempest like repo, no ? | 09:42 |
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dmellado | gmann: andreaf jordanP would you mind commenting there as well when you get the chance? | 09:42 |
dmellado | if that's acceptable, I'd like to have some ack from your side there | 09:42 |
gmann | dmellado: ok | 09:42 |
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jordanP | ok | 09:42 |
gmann | but this case can be in nova side with full stack testing framework or plugin | 09:43 |
gmann | anyways let's comment in reviews | 09:43 |
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gmann | i need to think more on this if can not be in tempest | 09:44 |
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masayukig | 15 mins left | 09:45 |
gmann | anything more on Tempest side or we move on ? | 09:45 |
gmann | masayukig: yea | 09:45 |
gmann | if nothing on devstack and grenade let's jump to dashboard one | 09:45 |
hferenc | we can move on i think | 09:45 |
gmann | #topic openstack-health | 09:45 |
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gmann | masayukig: andreaf anything on this | 09:46 |
andreaf | I was looking forward to a new release of subunit2sql - but it may be already there I didn't check yet | 09:47 |
masayukig | so, timothyb89 are now trying to improve/reimplement the some graphs on it. | 09:47 |
masayukig | And I've heard mtreinish has some ideas to add graphs. But it is not started yet. | 09:47 |
gmann | ok | 09:47 |
masayukig | And I put one small patch for improving the top page loading. | 09:48 |
gmann | more graphs does not make it more heavy :) | 09:48 |
patchbot | Error: I haven't seen graphs. | 09:48 |
masayukig | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367172/ | 09:48 |
patchbot | patch 367172 - openstack-health - Add caching on get_all_runs_time_series_by_key for... | 09:48 |
gmann | why ERROR by patchbot | 09:48 |
masayukig | lol | 09:49 |
jordanP | "Recently, the home page loading time is so long and I'm really annoyed every time." <<--- yes | 09:49 |
jordanP | we should really do something about it, slow loading time makes o-h not super usable | 09:49 |
gmann | yea that true. may be more caching thing can help | 09:50 |
masayukig | jordanP : yeah, I think there are some reason. one is api side, the other is rendering graphs. | 09:50 |
masayukig | my patch tries to improve api-db side. | 09:50 |
gmann | masayukig: nice | 09:51 |
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masayukig | That's all from me | 09:51 |
gmann | ok let's wait for masayukig patch to see fast loading | 09:51 |
gmann | masayukig: Thanks | 09:51 |
gmann | #topic Critical Reviews | 09:51 |
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gmann | any critical reviews from anyone | 09:52 |
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gmann | ok, then i have 3 not so critical but need 1 more +2 | 09:52 |
gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365859/ | 09:53 |
patchbot | patch 365859 - tempest - Define separate inherited_roles_client for inherit... | 09:53 |
gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366611/ | 09:53 |
patchbot | patch 366611 - tempest - Move v3 roles_client to library interface | 09:53 |
gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366641/ | 09:53 |
patchbot | patch 366641 - tempest - Move v3 inherited_roles_client to library interface | 09:53 |
gmann | please review | 09:53 |
dmellado | gmann: I'll do, and that'll be also great to have merged asap as I've some patches dependant on those ;) | 09:53 |
masayukig | I already +2 later two patches :) | 09:53 |
dmellado | thanks, masayukig | 09:53 |
gmann | masayukig: yea thanks | 09:53 |
gmann | dmellado: yes, we will finish identity v3 ones | 09:54 |
gmann | 5 min left | 09:54 |
gmann | #topic Open Discussion | 09:54 |
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gmann | anything else to discuss | 09:54 |
dmellado | masayukig: if you could also have a look at the patches that already have +2 here, that'd be great | 09:54 |
dmellado | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/consistent-service-method-names | 09:54 |
masayukig | dmellado : sure, will do tomorrow :) | 09:55 |
jordanP | This patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344184 Python3 relaated | 09:55 |
patchbot | patch 344184 - tempest - py3: Miscellaneous fixes | 09:55 |
* masayukig puts it in his todo list | 09:55 | |
hferenc | i just wanted to say thanks for the ideas about the watchdog think, i'd appreciate some comments i you have any further ones | 09:55 |
jordanP | we should really make Python3 happen, are everybody else is going to wait for us | 09:55 |
dmellado | hferenc: thanks to you, I'll comment in there | 09:56 |
dmellado | jordanP: +1 | 09:56 |
gmann | jordanP: yea, ll do tomorrow for sure, love those kind of patch | 09:56 |
gmann | hferenc: sure, thanks | 09:56 |
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masayukig | hferenc : yeah, I'll have a look | 09:57 |
gmann | ok, if nothing more, we close the meeting | 09:57 |
gmann | 3... | 09:57 |
dmellado | 2... | 09:57 |
gmann | :) | 09:57 |
gmann | 1. | 09:57 |
dmellado | xD | 09:57 |
gmann | Thanks all | 09:57 |
masayukig | \o/ | 09:57 |
gmann | #endmeeting | 09:57 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-09-08-08.59.html | 09:57 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-09-08-08.59.txt | 09:57 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-09-08-08.59.log.html | 09:57 |
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mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 8 14:00:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
alaski | o/ | 14:00 |
dansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
johnthetubaguy | o/ | 14:00 |
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cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
lbeliveau | o/ | 14:00 |
sdague | o/ | 14:01 |
takashin | o/ | 14:01 |
jroll | \o | 14:01 |
BobBall | o/ | 14:01 |
mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:01 |
edleafe | \o | 14:01 |
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mriedem | #topic release news | 14:01 |
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woodster_ | o/ | 14:01 |
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mriedem | #link Newton release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
mriedem | #info Sep 12-16: PTL self-nominations open for Ocata | 14:01 |
mriedem | that's next week | 14:02 |
mriedem | #info Sep 15: RC1 - 1 week from today | 14:02 |
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mriedem | so be on the lookout for blocking bugs for the release | 14:02 |
mriedem | i know bauzas has been doing some bug triage, i've been trying to also | 14:02 |
jaypipes | o/ | 14:02 |
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mriedem | anything that looks potentially stop ship tag it with 'newton-rc-potential' | 14:02 |
bauzas | yeah, nothing really urgent I've seen so far but a couple of bugs we need to merge tho | 14:02 |
mriedem | let's move on to bugs | 14:03 |
mriedem | #topic bugs | 14:03 |
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mriedem | #link newton-rc-potential bugs (13): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=newton-rc-potential | 14:03 |
mriedem | that's our current list | 14:03 |
bauzas | and I still need to iterate over that newton-rc-potential list which contained the last time I looked 13 bugs | 14:03 |
bauzas | heh, jinxed | 14:03 |
mriedem | yup, i need to scrub through it today too | 14:03 |
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mriedem | i think there are some plancement api patches that we want to get into rc1, but i'm not sure if they are tied to bugs or not | 14:04 |
mriedem | i haven't been following along all that closely with the latest changes there | 14:04 |
dansmith | mriedem: I've got a list going | 14:04 |
mriedem | dansmith: jaypipes: cdent: sdague: are those things marked with bugs? | 14:04 |
dansmith | mriedem: we have a really bad discrepancy between the GET and PUT of some payloads which we really need to resolve | 14:04 |
dansmith | mriedem: I made the list so we could file bugs | 14:04 |
dansmith | but we don't have bugs yet, AFAIK | 14:05 |
jaypipes | dansmith: ty for making that list. | 14:05 |
mriedem | ok, let's get those bugs opened and tagged so they are on everyone's radar with that list above | 14:05 |
dansmith | aye | 14:05 |
jaypipes | dansmith, mriedem: can we add a topic to the meeting today to make a decision on the GET/PUT discrep? | 14:05 |
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mriedem | jaypipes: yeah let's handle that in open discussion | 14:05 |
dansmith | jaypipes: I was going to suggest another hangout thing to sync up and talk about that | 14:05 |
dansmith | but whichever | 14:05 |
mriedem | hangouts are also good | 14:06 |
mriedem | let's revisit in open | 14:06 |
mriedem | gate status | 14:06 |
mriedem | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:06 |
mriedem | nothing shocking there | 14:06 |
mriedem | 3rd party ci has been ok as far as i can tell, at least on master | 14:06 |
mriedem | there have been some hiccups on stable branches that are being sorted out | 14:06 |
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mriedem | we have 0 critical bugs | 14:06 |
mriedem | finally for bugs | 14:07 |
mriedem | #info markus_z is no longer running the bug meetings, looking for people to run those (maybe tdurakov and/or auggy) | 14:07 |
mriedem | i'm less concerned about who holds the almighty title of bug captain and more about who's doing the work and herding the cats | 14:07 |
bauzas | right | 14:07 |
bauzas | anyone can run a meeting anyway | 14:08 |
mriedem | the latter gets you the former | 14:08 |
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bauzas | no need for some formal title blessing | 14:08 |
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jaypipes | dansmith: either way, sure. | 14:08 |
mriedem | any questions about bugs/ci? | 14:08 |
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mriedem | #topic reminders | 14:09 |
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mriedem | #link Etherpad for Ocata summit topics: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-summit-ideas | 14:09 |
jaypipes | dansmith: I have an 11am meeting and a company all hands (which I will just be listening to) but otherwise pretty free today to heads-down on placement | 14:09 |
mriedem | again, i figure we'll dig more into topics for the summit after RC1 | 14:09 |
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mriedem | #link Newton review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:09 |
mriedem | ^ is probably less important right now | 14:09 |
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mriedem | focus should be on bugs | 14:09 |
mriedem | #help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty? | 14:10 |
bauzas | heh | 14:10 |
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mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 14:10 |
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mriedem | there are some stable/mitaka patches that have a +2 and are ready to go | 14:10 |
mriedem | otherwise nothing really news worthy here | 14:10 |
mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 14:11 |
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mriedem | in the interest of time, i think i'm going to skip these unless anyone has any burning issues to bring up from this week's meetings | 14:11 |
mriedem | edleafe: alex_xu: PaulMurray: ^ | 14:11 |
alaski | not for cells | 14:11 |
dansmith | +1 for skip | 14:11 |
edleafe | Just if anyone wants to track the placement work: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-next | 14:11 |
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mriedem | ok | 14:12 |
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mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 14:12 |
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mriedem | there was nothing on the agenda | 14:12 |
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mriedem | #topic open discussion | 14:12 |
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mriedem | jaypipes: dansmith: did you want to go over placement stuff here? | 14:12 |
dansmith | I'd rather do a hangout, | 14:12 |
dansmith | but whatever people want | 14:13 |
jaypipes | mriedem: hangout is finew. | 14:13 |
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mriedem | ok what time? | 14:13 |
abhishekk | hi all, please review this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355091/, it is about ' | 14:13 |
abhishekk | Make req spec and RT aware of volume-backed instances' | 14:13 |
patchbot | patch 355091 - nova - Make req spec and RT aware of volume-backed instances | 14:13 |
cdent | jaypipes, dansmith: whatever we do can we be sure it ends up in something written down, like to that email thread or the etherpad? | 14:13 |
edleafe | hangouts seem to accomplish more | 14:13 |
johnthetubaguy | let us know how I can help with reviews and stuff tomorrow morning, but tracked bugs sounded good | 14:13 |
dansmith | cdent: haven't we been doing that? | 14:13 |
johnthetubaguy | what cdent said | 14:13 |
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cdent | dansmith: sometimes there's some latency, but mostly yes, just reinforcing | 14:14 |
mriedem | abhishekk: that makes me nervous at this point in the schedule, looks complicated and it's a latent bug | 14:14 |
mriedem | i'd rather wait for ocata for that one | 14:14 |
dansmith | mriedem: in ocata we may very well have solved it with placement too.. solved it correctly | 14:14 |
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johnthetubaguy | +1 both of those points | 14:15 |
abhishekk | mriedem: actually we need to backport it to mitaka | 14:15 |
dansmith | and yes, latent since $forever | 14:15 |
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mriedem | abhishekk: unless it was a regression in mitaka, i'm not sure we *need* to backport it | 14:15 |
mriedem | i'm not keen on backporting 400+ LOC patches | 14:16 |
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dansmith | there's really no sane explanation for backporting that, IMHO | 14:16 |
dansmith | not a regression, complex, large, affects lots of stuff | 14:17 |
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bauzas | yeah, I don't see the need for backporting that upstream | 14:17 |
mriedem | ok so jaypipes is on a call in 42 minutes, | 14:17 |
mriedem | is the hangout before or after that? | 14:18 |
jaypipes | mriedem: like to do it before pls. | 14:18 |
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dansmith | I think we could manage before, but whatever | 14:18 |
mriedem | ok | 14:18 |
mriedem | then let's wrap this up | 14:18 |
mriedem | thanks everyone | 14:18 |
mriedem | #endmeeting | 14:18 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 8 14:18:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:18 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-09-08-14.00.html | 14:18 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-09-08-14.00.txt | 14:18 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-09-08-14.00.log.html | 14:18 |
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jaypipes | need: bauzas, cdent, dansmith, johnthetubaguy, mriedem, alex_xu if around | 14:18 |
bauzas | yup | 14:18 |
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bauzas | I'm doing a few more things but I can split myself | 14:18 |
bauzas | jaypipes: ^ | 14:18 |
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jaypipes | lemme set up a hangout link. | 14:19 |
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rtheis | #startmeeting networking_ovn | 18:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 8 18:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rtheis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ovn)" | 18:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ovn' | 18:00 |
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Sam-I-Am | mmm, official | 18:00 |
rtheis | Hi | 18:00 |
russellb | i was about to ask, first topic, which meeting topic to use | 18:00 |
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abalutoiu | Hello | 18:00 |
russellb | could have also been lazy and used "ovn" | 18:00 |
Sam-I-Am | networking-ovn makes sense | 18:00 |
zhouhan | Hello! | 18:00 |
russellb | hi! | 18:00 |
Sam-I-Am | since thats the project name | 18:00 |
russellb | yep, it's fine | 18:00 |
rtheis | yeah, I think networking_ovn was in the meetings patch | 18:01 |
Sam-I-Am | but it needs to be consistent for people looking at logs | 18:01 |
russellb | rtheis: cool, sounds good. | 18:01 |
rtheis | welcome to the first official meeting | 18:01 |
russellb | thanks for setting it up, rtheis | 18:01 |
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russellb | we've outgrown the main OVN meeting at this point | 18:01 |
rtheis | yw | 18:01 |
russellb | rtheis: have an agenda in mind? | 18:02 |
rtheis | #topic Announcements | 18:02 |
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rtheis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-ovn-meeting | 18:02 |
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rtheis | I've placed the proposed agenda here | 18:02 |
russellb | nice. | 18:02 |
rtheis | The Newton-3 deliverable was released | 18:02 |
rtheis | #link https://github.com/openstack/releases/commit/93d18e485ad2043df9a793dc2a6cd580d999bd0d | 18:02 |
rtheis | next week is Newton RC1 | 18:03 |
rtheis | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 18:03 |
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rtheis | I am planning to propose a patch for Newton RC1 next week | 18:03 |
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russellb | should we merge all feature freeze exceptions by then? | 18:04 |
rtheis | That's what I'd like to discuss | 18:04 |
rtheis | We have several bug fixes and a lot of features in the review queue | 18:04 |
rtheis | and would like opinions how what to let into Newton RC1 | 18:05 |
russellb | as much as possible? :) | 18:05 |
zhouhan | sounds good :) | 18:05 |
russellb | prioritizing makes sense though | 18:05 |
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rtheis | yeah | 18:05 |
rtheis | any other announcement before we move on ? | 18:06 |
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rtheis | #topic Bugs for Newton RC1 | 18:06 |
russellb | i mentioned this in the main OVN meeting, but TripleO support is now all merged | 18:06 |
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rtheis | nice | 18:06 |
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Sam-I-Am | are we going to provide distro-package install instructions anywhere? | 18:07 |
Sam-I-Am | speaking of rh | 18:07 |
Sam-I-Am | i dont know if ubuntu is packaging ovn | 18:07 |
russellb | Sam-I-Am: we'll have TripleO docs at some point | 18:07 |
russellb | our general install guide mentions packages that are available | 18:07 |
Sam-I-Am | have they been tested? | 18:07 |
russellb | i would hope that all distros start turning on the OVN sub-package in OVS 2.6 | 18:07 |
russellb | the packaging work was done long ago | 18:07 |
Sam-I-Am | it would be nice to make sure that stuff works | 18:07 |
russellb | might have to ping the ubuntu ovs package maintainer though | 18:07 |
russellb | not sure who that is | 18:08 |
Sam-I-Am | probably the openstack packagers | 18:08 |
Sam-I-Am | at least thats how its been for the cloud-archive stuff | 18:08 |
rtheis | any work on the networking-ovn side that we need to track for this? | 18:09 |
rtheis | bug for RC1? | 18:09 |
russellb | ubuntu needs to package networking-ovn | 18:09 |
russellb | if anyone wants to chase that ... | 18:09 |
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Sam-I-Am | i suppose i can poke at that | 18:10 |
russellb | it's already packaged for centos / rdo | 18:10 |
Sam-I-Am | i know people | 18:10 |
russellb | cool. | 18:10 |
rtheis | thanks Sam-I-Am | 18:10 |
Sam-I-Am | not that they're terribly responsive... but we shall see | 18:10 |
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rtheis | anything else on packaging? | 18:10 |
Sam-I-Am | having package options for both rdo and ubuntu makes sense for our docs | 18:10 |
Sam-I-Am | since we more or less have two camps | 18:10 |
rtheis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-ovn/+bug/1514488 | 18:11 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1514488 in networking-ovn "Make use of the native OVN DHCPv4" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Numan Siddique (numansiddique) | 18:11 |
rtheis | We have several fixes related to native DHCP support listed in agenda | 18:11 |
rtheis | I think we should try targeting them for RC1 | 18:12 |
Sam-I-Am | lets just not release anything thats broken :) | 18:12 |
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rtheis | +1 | 18:12 |
russellb | numan is on vacation for 3 weeks | 18:12 |
flaviof | rtheis: is there a reason why the Vagrant in OVN (networking-ovn) is not using the native DHCP? Maybe metadata issues? | 18:12 |
russellb | who wrote that originally, so we'll have to proceed on those fixes without him | 18:12 |
rtheis | Zong Kia has picked up a couple | 18:13 |
rtheis | flaviof: just haven't made the switch yet | 18:13 |
russellb | probably just that not everyone uses the vagrant setup | 18:13 |
Sam-I-Am | conventional md doesnt work at all with native dhcp? | 18:13 |
rtheis | no | 18:14 |
flaviof | ack. so it is just not a known issue, but yet not fully tested then. | 18:14 |
Sam-I-Am | thus, i'd say native dhcp is not ready. | 18:14 |
flaviof | understood. | 18:14 |
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Sam-I-Am | people expect basic features to work | 18:14 |
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Sam-I-Am | so perhaps native dhcp is still 'experimental' and not a default? | 18:15 |
rtheis | config drive is the alternative which does work | 18:15 |
rtheis | with the native services | 18:15 |
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Sam-I-Am | it is, but not everyone uses it | 18:15 |
flaviof | just to be clear, I'm talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350237/7/vagrant/provisioning/setup-compute.sh -- line 36 | 18:16 |
rtheis | the metadata limitation and other limitations for native services are documented in the release note | 18:17 |
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rtheis | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/networking-ovn/unreleased.html | 18:17 |
flaviof | make sense. all good. | 18:18 |
rtheis | flaviof: the vagrant setup was setting up both native and conventional dhcp | 18:18 |
rtheis | I fixed it to go back to conventional dhcp | 18:18 |
flaviof | heh, ic; that is defininitely bad | 18:18 |
rtheis | just haven't got back to switching it to native | 18:18 |
rtheis | since there was documentation and other things to do | 18:19 |
rtheis | any other concerns with native DHCP fixes ? | 18:19 |
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Sam-I-Am | looks like ubuntu is including a networking-ovn package | 18:20 |
flaviof | none from me; thank y'all for taking the cycles to educate me on config-drive | 18:20 |
russellb | Sam-I-Am: great! thanks for checking. | 18:20 |
Sam-I-Am | but i'm not sure if they're depending on a useful ovs version or kernel | 18:20 |
Sam-I-Am | so whether it works or not remains to be seen | 18:20 |
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rtheis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-ovn/+bug/1611963 | 18:21 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1611963 in networking-ovn "OVN NB sync ignores ACLs on lswitch without ports" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Richard Theis (rtheis) | 18:21 |
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rtheis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-ovn/+bug/1612435 | 18:21 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1612435 in networking-ovn "ML2 driver doesn't retry post_fork_initialize ovn nb or sb connection failures" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Richard Theis (rtheis) | 18:21 |
rtheis | there are a couple miscellaneous fixes for these bugs | 18:21 |
rtheis | sync and connection retry | 18:21 |
rtheis | any concerns with targeting RC1 ? | 18:22 |
rtheis | also ... | 18:22 |
rtheis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358501/ | 18:22 |
rtheis | #topic Feature Freeze Exceptions (FFEs) for Newton RC1 | 18:23 |
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rtheis | We have 7 listed in the agenda | 18:24 |
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rtheis | This is a lot of new function potentially coming in late to the release | 18:24 |
rtheis | are there any features that should be blocked? | 18:24 |
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rtheis | or maybe we focus on which feature is the highest priority and work down from there | 18:25 |
russellb | i think we should prioritize | 18:25 |
russellb | one of my top priorities would be https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346646/ | 18:25 |
russellb | is chandra working on the test failure? | 18:25 |
russellb | next for me would be vlan-aware-vms | 18:26 |
rtheis | yes | 18:26 |
rtheis | I believe chandra has an ovn patch dependency | 18:26 |
russellb | ah, i see | 18:26 |
rtheis | which what I think he brought up in ovn meeting | 18:26 |
russellb | maybe that's the patch he mentioned in the ovn meeting | 18:26 |
russellb | got it. | 18:26 |
rtheis | yeah | 18:26 |
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rtheis | anyone else have opinions on priority ? | 18:28 |
zhouhan | Is race condition a concern? | 18:28 |
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rtheis | zhouhan: is that for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358447/ ? | 18:29 |
zhouhan | I am working on the patch but not sure about priority | 18:29 |
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rtheis | priority may depend on how easy it is to recreate the race conditions in production | 18:31 |
azbiswas | What about the idl mutate patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351861/ | 18:31 |
russellb | zhouhan: i feel like that might be too invasive for this release | 18:31 |
zhouhan_ | I think I just got dropped | 18:31 |
rtheis | I tend to agree with russellb | 18:31 |
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russellb | ovs mutate -- what perf improvement do we get? | 18:32 |
russellb | measured that? just curious | 18:32 |
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rtheis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-ovn/+bug/1610347/comments/2 | 18:32 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1610347 in networking-ovn "OVS transaction timeout with many logical switch ports on a logical switch" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Richard Theis (rtheis) | 18:32 |
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azbiswas | That's a question, I don't have an answer to yet - our internal cloud where we going to test this out has been having stability issues lately | 18:33 |
russellb | rtheis: nice, thanks | 18:33 |
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rtheis | I noted this improvement in a local environment | 18:33 |
azbiswas | We did get past our initial problem point. | 18:33 |
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zhouhan_ | russellb: well, it is not that invasive as I thought in the beginning. I didn't change the sync call behavior, not like the journal mechanism in ODL | 18:34 |
russellb | zhouhan_: oh ok, interesting | 18:34 |
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zhouhan_ | rtheis: and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362494/ | 18:35 |
rtheis | zhouhan_ thx | 18:35 |
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zhouhan_ | It is POC so I'd like to get feedback if that is a good way to continue | 18:35 |
rtheis | zhouhan_: the tests aren't passing on these 2 patches yet... do you think we give them more time for reviews and testing and possibly backport if not to invasive? | 18:36 |
zhouhan_ | rtheis: yes, I am fixing the failure and added some functional tests for race conditions | 18:37 |
rtheis | ack | 18:37 |
zhouhan_ | It is not quite urgent though. we know that, race conditions ... | 18:37 |
rtheis | so our priority so far is ... | 18:37 |
rtheis | (1) NAT support (SNAT, FloatingIP) | 18:37 |
rtheis | (2) OVN trunk driver to support vlan-aware-vms | 18:37 |
rtheis | (3) Add OVS transaction mutate support | 18:38 |
russellb | (4) multi-provider / multi-segment | 18:38 |
zhouhan_ | should 3) be higher than 2)? | 18:39 |
ramamurthy | @rtheis: is vlan-aware VMs the way to provide services ? | 18:39 |
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rtheis | ramamurthy: I haven't looked at that patch yet | 18:39 |
rtheis | russellb ? | 18:39 |
zhouhan_ | For my understanding 3) is about scalability and performance, but not sure if it really solves the problem | 18:40 |
russellb | swapping 2 and 3 is fine with me | 18:41 |
russellb | i actually want both :) | 18:41 |
russellb | so whichever :) | 18:41 |
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russellb | i'd rather defer the metadata one, i think ... | 18:41 |
rtheis | zhouhan_: it did seem to solve the problem for the use case reported | 18:42 |
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rtheis | which problem did it not solve? | 18:42 |
zhouhan_ | rtheis: that's great. I didn't test, so not sure | 18:43 |
rtheis | ack | 18:43 |
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rtheis | if we defer metadata then we have ... | 18:43 |
rtheis | Support a mixed DPDK and non-DPDK environment | 18:43 |
rtheis | Support native OVN DHCPv6 | 18:43 |
rtheis | leve | 18:43 |
rtheis | left | 18:43 |
russellb | DPDK one is pretty small | 18:44 |
russellb | so gets my +1 | 18:44 |
rtheis | sounds good | 18:44 |
flaviof | is anyone here actively involved with SFC (specifically, SFC with OVN) ? | 18:44 |
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russellb | and of course, would love DHCPv6 too, but looked like there was still work needed? | 18:44 |
russellb | i'd say (5) dpdk, (6) dhcpv6 | 18:44 |
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russellb | and then try to merge all 6 :) | 18:44 |
rtheis | awesome :) | 18:45 |
rtheis | Zong Kai picked up DHCPv6 while numan is out | 18:45 |
russellb | great | 18:45 |
rtheis | we'll see how far he gets | 18:45 |
russellb | i'm on vacation all next week ... and technically in meetings today and tomorrow | 18:45 |
Sam-I-Am | how well does ipv6 work in general? | 18:45 |
russellb | but will do as much as i can | 18:45 |
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Sam-I-Am | mighty quiet :) | 18:47 |
rtheis | russellb: is ovn ipv6 support ready ? | 18:47 |
russellb | yes | 18:47 |
russellb | sorry in meeting room | 18:47 |
rtheis | np | 18:48 |
russellb | IPv6 support is merged in OVN for L3 routing | 18:48 |
russellb | there are improvements still to be made | 18:48 |
rtheis | ok | 18:48 |
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rtheis | so we have a list of 1-6, with metadata (7) deferred | 18:48 |
russellb | like, i don't think we're doing router advertisements? | 18:49 |
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russellb | for our logical routers, i mean | 18:49 |
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Sam-I-Am | thats sort of a problem | 18:50 |
rtheis | anything else for Newton RC1 that we want/need to complete? | 18:50 |
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russellb | all the things | 18:51 |
russellb | rtheis: thanks for organizing the agenda | 18:51 |
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rtheis | you're welcome | 18:51 |
rtheis | last topic ... | 18:51 |
rtheis | #topic Open Discussion | 18:51 |
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rtheis | anything else for today ? | 18:52 |
flaviof | is anyone here actively involved with SFC (specifically, SFC with OVN) ? | 18:52 |
rtheis | I am not | 18:52 |
russellb | i've monitored it somewhat, not too up to date | 18:52 |
russellb | ryan was commenting a bunch a while back | 18:52 |
russellb | there is a networking-sfc spec i was asked to review in the last couple weeks | 18:52 |
russellb | but the main issue with it is it makes assumptions / proposals for the SFC support in OVN itself, which really needs to get done first | 18:53 |
rtheis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333172/ | 18:53 |
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flaviof | ack. thanks! | 18:53 |
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russellb | i haven't seen a proposal for OVN itself in a while | 18:53 |
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russellb | or at all? lots of discussion | 18:53 |
russellb | but i'd like to see a specific design proposal | 18:53 |
flaviof | yeah, I'm catching up on all that was talked about in the ML | 18:53 |
flaviof | rtheis: thanks for the link! | 18:54 |
rtheis | yw | 18:54 |
ramamurthy | the ovn discussion didnt focus on specific usecases | 18:55 |
ramamurthy | for SFC | 18:55 |
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azbiswas | Ryan mentioned something about it being single tenant only - but I've not looked into it | 18:55 |
flaviof | right. there is the open topic on multi-tenants, as an example. let me educate myself more on that b4 I start making my usual stupid questions :) | 18:56 |
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rtheis | any other topics for today? we have a couple minutes left. | 18:56 |
azbiswas | chandrav: I know you just joined, your SNAT/FIP patch was voted as top priority for review :) | 18:57 |
russellb | let's plan an OVN meetup in Barcelona for whoever is there | 18:57 |
russellb | another related event for this group: OVSCon details were just sent out | 18:57 |
russellb | accepting talk proposals now | 18:57 |
russellb | i still don't understand the single vs multi tenant concern | 18:57 |
chandrav | azbiswas: Thats good to know :) | 18:57 |
russellb | yep, just needs tests to pass | 18:58 |
russellb | then let's get it in | 18:58 |
rtheis | OVN meetup sounds good | 18:58 |
russellb | chandrav: you need an OVN patch in first? | 18:58 |
rtheis | thanks chandrav | 18:58 |
flaviof | russellb: tbh I don't either, I'm just repeating what I heard on that as a parrot at this point | 18:58 |
chandrav | for the tests to pass, i'll point to my ovs branch | 18:58 |
rtheis | chandrav: do you have a link to the patch ? | 18:58 |
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chandrav | https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/665301/ | 18:59 |
rtheis | #link https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/665301/ | 18:59 |
rtheis | thanks | 18:59 |
zhouhan_ | russellb: sorry that I may not go to Barcelona, you guys have fun | 18:59 |
chandrav | I am having difficulty writing a unit test case for that patch. | 18:59 |
russellb | zhouhan_: how about ovscon? | 18:59 |
russellb | at least that one is in your back yard :) | 18:59 |
zhouhan_ | russellb: I hope I can join that one :) | 19:00 |
flaviof | zhouhan_: +1 | 19:00 |
rtheis | we are out of time, thank you all for attending | 19:00 |
zhouhan_ | thanks guys, bye | 19:00 |
rtheis | ##endmeeting | 19:00 |
rtheis | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
russellb | thanks, rtheis ! | 19:00 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ovn/2016/networking_ovn.2016-09-08-18.00.html | 19:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ovn/2016/networking_ovn.2016-09-08-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ovn/2016/networking_ovn.2016-09-08-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 19:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 8 19:02:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:02 |
dtroyer | anyone here for osc? | 19:02 |
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stevemar | o/ | 19:03 |
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stevemar | was just finishing something up | 19:04 |
stevemar | wheres rtheis :O | 19:04 |
dtroyer | talking a quick break? he chaired the meeting prior to this | 19:04 |
stevemar | ah probably | 19:04 |
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stevemar | hes very in-demand | 19:05 |
rtheis | here now | 19:05 |
dtroyer | welcome! | 19:05 |
rtheis | sorry, just finishing up another meeting | 19:05 |
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dtroyer | ok, let's begin… | 19:06 |
stevemar | rtheis: yeah, we can read the few lines above :) | 19:06 |
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dtroyer | #topic release status | 19:06 |
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rtheis | oh yeah ;) | 19:06 |
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dtroyer | so the current big thing is where we stand, and getting to the point we can start merging features again | 19:06 |
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dtroyer | the (hopefully) last bugfix for auth merged a little while ago, rtheis have you had a chance to check it? | 19:07 |
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stevemar | i think rtheis left a comment saying it worked | 19:08 |
rtheis | it worked for me | 19:08 |
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dtroyer | so, has that one feature not been merged, we coupld propose 3.2.1 for this | 19:09 |
dtroyer | I am not sure it is worth reverting that though | 19:09 |
dtroyer | thoughts? | 19:09 |
rtheis | I'm okay with keeping it | 19:10 |
rtheis | Looks like just "volume service set" | 19:11 |
dtroyer | that's all I saw | 19:11 |
rtheis | me too | 19:11 |
stevemar | any requirements bumps? | 19:11 |
dtroyer | the grapevine suggests three are some coming | 19:12 |
dtroyer | there | 19:12 |
stevemar | then it should be 3.3.0 | 19:12 |
stevemar | https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/compare/3.2.0...master | 19:12 |
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stevemar | i think that's the last of the regressions | 19:13 |
dtroyer | the volume featre ensured that | 19:13 |
stevemar | true taht | 19:13 |
stevemar | oh i think https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1619937 may have been introduced in 3.0.0 but low priority | 19:14 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1619937 in python-openstackclient "`openstack token issue` cannot print `expires` value when using JSON formatter" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Martinelli (stevemar) | 19:14 |
dtroyer | so bookmark this place, we'll come back to it (what other features we may want to put into 3.3.0) | 19:14 |
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dtroyer | the unit test change that stevemar posted will conflict a LOT of existing reviews | 19:15 |
stevemar | bookmarked | 19:15 |
stevemar | oh yeah | 19:15 |
stevemar | a whole bunch | 19:15 |
dtroyer | so if we do that now, we should prioritize which of those to work first for 3.3.0 | 19:15 |
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dtroyer | I would suggest anything that requires a dependency bump be held, for one | 19:17 |
rtheis | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342976/ | 19:17 |
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rtheis | I know the neutron team would like ^^^ | 19:17 |
dtroyer | ok, a manageable list of things like that would be good | 19:18 |
rtheis | I don't have anything else on my list | 19:18 |
dtroyer | that would be manageable then! | 19:19 |
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stevemar | i'd feel better if we kept the list short :) | 19:19 |
dtroyer | to back up a half-step, is stevemar's test change something we want to do now? | 19:19 |
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stevemar | doesn't have to be, but i'd like it in soon after, so i don't have to rebase on everything else | 19:19 |
rtheis | I'm okay with now | 19:20 |
dtroyer | ok, then let's to it | 19:20 |
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rtheis | so we have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342976/, stevemar's test change and https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1619937 for 3.3.0 ? | 19:21 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1619937 in python-openstackclient "`openstack token issue` cannot print `expires` value when using JSON formatter" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Martinelli (stevemar) | 19:21 |
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stevemar | if we're going to push my test change, i'd like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365864/ done as well | 19:22 |
stevemar | and possibly... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365867/5 | 19:22 |
dtroyer | I need to look through the list, there may be a couple others | 19:22 |
rtheis | okay | 19:23 |
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stevemar | dtroyer: ETA on when you'll propose the release? | 19:25 |
dtroyer | next week is the roll-up to RC, may not be a great time for a release | 19:25 |
dtroyer | mid-week at soonest | 19:25 |
stevemar | dtroyer: could we release today and fix the critical password prompt bug? | 19:26 |
dtroyer | we can try? | 19:26 |
stevemar | i say that because we've had 3 bugs related to that issue already :) | 19:26 |
dtroyer | ok | 19:27 |
stevemar | the rest are new features | 19:27 |
stevemar | just thoughts, your call | 19:27 |
dtroyer | we don't have any blockers that would need the u-c bumped quickly, do we? | 19:28 |
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dtroyer | just needing to get it out to pypi? | 19:28 |
stevemar | dtroyer: correct | 19:29 |
dtroyer | I'll put together a 3.3.0 after this meeting then | 19:29 |
stevemar | :] | 19:29 |
dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 19:31 |
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rtheis | so 3.3.0 won't contain any other changes being discussed | 19:31 |
dtroyer | no, we can't get it through the gate before end of day | 19:31 |
dtroyer | it may already be close | 19:31 |
rtheis | okay | 19:32 |
rtheis | but we are okay to merge them now | 19:32 |
stevemar | rtheis: i suppose, yes | 19:33 |
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dtroyer | oh, sure, I'll can pick a non-tip commit to release | 19:33 |
stevemar | i'm hoping we go back to releasing often like we did in the beginning of N, that was cool | 19:33 |
dtroyer | yes it was | 19:33 |
dtroyer | I hope to not be that kind of bottle-neck again | 19:33 |
stevemar | ever again | 19:33 |
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stevemar | if we at open discussion... | 19:34 |
stevemar | i was wondering if you all had views on https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1619726 | 19:34 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1619726 in python-openstackclient "volume create fails with auth type token_endpoint" [Undecided,New] | 19:34 |
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dtroyer | heh, Loic is right, that one will never work as-is | 19:36 |
stevemar | cause it'll keep hitting the url right? | 19:37 |
dtroyer | it needs two to function, we only have facility to provide one | 19:37 |
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dtroyer | this is where jamie's version of token auth is better, it still gets a service catalog | 19:38 |
dtroyer | and really is what we need to start advising people to use for the general case of token | 19:38 |
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stevemar | ah | 19:40 |
stevemar | i am going to try hard and find time to implement https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+spec/compute-action-list and https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1584596 | 19:40 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1584596 in python-openstackclient "The "purge" feature- 1 command for all components" [Wishlist,New] | 19:40 |
stevemar | but one involves changes to novaclient | 19:41 |
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stevemar | finding time is difficult though :\ | 19:43 |
dtroyer | tell me about it | 19:43 |
dtroyer | any other bugs or whatnot? | 19:43 |
dtroyer | I opened up the planning eitherpad for the summit | 19:44 |
dtroyer | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-ocata-summit | 19:44 |
dtroyer | from the ML thread about Purge IIRC | 19:44 |
rtheis | thanks dtroyer | 19:44 |
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dtroyer | anything else? | 19:47 |
rtheis | nothing else from me | 19:47 |
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stevemar | i'm good | 19:47 |
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dtroyer | ok, thanks guys | 19:47 |
stevemar | thanks for fixing all the regressions dtroyer | 19:47 |
dtroyer | you mean the ones I caused? | 19:47 |
stevemar | i will give you many beers and tapas in barcelona | 19:47 |
stevemar | meh | 19:48 |
dtroyer | or, the ones o-c-c caused? | 19:48 |
stevemar | when bad things happen use *we* -- when good things happen, praise the person | 19:48 |
stevemar | you fixed our mistakes :) | 19:48 |
dtroyer | don' tlook under the bandaid then ;) | 19:49 |
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dtroyer | #endmeeting | 19:49 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 8 19:49:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:49 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-09-08-19.02.html | 19:49 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-09-08-19.02.txt | 19:49 |
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amuller | o/ | 21:59 |
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armax | hello | 22:00 |
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armax | it looks like everyone is head down in wrapping up Newton | 22:01 |
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amuller | sounds like it =p | 22:02 |
armax | then we should seize the opportunity! | 22:02 |
dougwig | Just driving home, then here. | 22:03 |
kevinbenton | o\ | 22:04 |
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kevinbenton | armax: seize the opportunity to have a meeting? | 22:05 |
armax | to not have one | 22:05 |
kevinbenton | ok | 22:05 |
HenryG | sure | 22:06 |
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armax | I don’t have a specific agenda | 22:06 |
armax | any of you guys do? | 22:06 |
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armax | Otherwise I’ll go over the postmortem and LP dashboard for further cleanup | 22:07 |
armax | btw | 22:07 |
armax | dunno if anynoe had the opportunity to read this | 22:07 |
armax | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103115.html | 22:07 |
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armax | and http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/102981.html | 22:08 |
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armax | wow, people were quick to bail | 22:11 |
armax | oh well | 22:11 |
amuller | I'm looking forward to Atlanta | 22:12 |
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amuller | armax: I'm hoping the PTG could squash the design summit and mid cycle | 22:12 |
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amuller | in to 5 days | 22:13 |
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dougwig | here now | 22:30 |
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kevinbenton | dougwig: too late. armax ran everyone off | 22:32 |
dougwig | he's good at that. | 22:32 |
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anteaya | amuller: that is the purpose of the project team gathering | 22:36 |
amuller | anteaya: I'm concerned that the announcement email specified 2 days for horizontal teams and 3 for vertical teams. Will we be able to book 5 days for a project like Neutron? | 22:37 |
anteaya | amuller: what do you mean book? | 22:38 |
amuller | anteaya: have a room dedicated to neutron for the full 5 days | 22:38 |
anteaya | amuller: the expectation is that you will attend all 5 days | 22:38 |
anteaya | well doing that is kind of besides the point of increasing the awareness of how to do the horizontal work | 22:38 |
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anteaya | since part of the objective is to increase projects awareness of each other | 22:39 |
anteaya | so that they better understand how to interact with infra qa docs horizon | 22:39 |
anteaya | release | 22:39 |
amuller | anteaya: right, it means that a project like neutron would only have 3 days in the PTG | 22:39 |
anteaya | and then the horizontal teams have to do less hand holding for each project | 22:39 |
anteaya | well I personally sure hope you will be in attendance all 5 days | 22:40 |
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anteaya | since if you start interpreting it as 'we only have 3 days for us' we are already off to a poor start | 22:40 |
amuller | I'll be there for the 5 days either way | 22:40 |
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anteaya | since the larger objective is to get folks out of their silos | 22:40 |
anteaya | well that is reassuring, thank you | 22:40 |
amuller | My point is that with a design summit and mid cycle we had 5 working days for a project every 6 months | 22:40 |
amuller | now we will have 3 | 22:41 |
anteaya | again that is a poor way to look at it | 22:41 |
amuller | it might mean that mid cycles will live on, meaning 6 events a year | 22:41 |
anteaya | is learning about how to interact with infra better, such a waste of your time? | 22:41 |
anteaya | it might | 22:41 |
anteaya | it depends on the team | 22:41 |
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anteaya | and how they choose to approach opportunities that are given to them | 22:42 |
amuller | take, say, the neutron team :) | 22:42 |
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anteaya | well how about we take for example ihe infra team | 22:42 |
anteaya | how about that? | 22:42 |
anteaya | how much of infra's time do you think is taken up answering the exact same questions for every team | 22:43 |
anteaya | every day? | 22:43 |
anteaya | and docs, and qa and release | 22:43 |
anteaya | how about those teams? | 22:43 |
anteaya | seen them grow lately? | 22:43 |
anteaya | get new contributers? | 22:44 |
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anteaya | seen much of that? | 22:44 |
amuller | All I'm saying is that while there are advantages to the new format, and I recognize that increasing cross project work is vital, it also means that some teams will either have less time to work than they had before, or that mid cycles will continue and people will burn out from events | 22:44 |
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anteaya | seen their workload shrink at all? | 22:44 |
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anteaya | depends on how you look at it | 22:44 |
anteaya | your attitude counts for what you get out of it | 22:44 |
amuller | I think it's clear that some vertical teams will have less days to work on their own project's efforts regardless of my attitude, while increasing the amount of days free for members of that project to attend work sessions by teams such as infra | 22:47 |
anteaya | well that is your perspective and you are welcome to it | 22:47 |
anteaya | you seem to be stuck on it | 22:47 |
anteaya | and you don't seem to be willing to consider what I'm offering | 22:47 |
anteaya | so I'll stop | 22:47 |
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amuller | I understood your main point that vertical team members will now be able to attend horizontal team sessions | 22:48 |
amuller | Which I referenced in my last comment | 22:48 |
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