Thursday, 2016-09-15

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ekcshi all. time for congress meeting.00:02
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ekcscourtesy ping: aimeeu, masahito00:03
masahitohi00:03
aimeeuhello00:03
ekcs#startmeeting congressmeeting00:03
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aimeeusmall group tonight00:03
ekcsyup. thinrichs and ramineni are out today. so it's just us three.00:04
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ekcshold on let me reset the meeting title. not sure it matters.00:05
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ekcs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:06
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ekcsAnyway here are the agenda items I have. Anything to add?00:06
ekcs1. RC100:07
ekcs2. Outstanding bugs00:07
ekcs3. Status00:07
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ekcs#chair ekcs_00:08
openstackCurrent chairs: ekcs ekcs_00:08
ekcs_Ok so RC1 is due this week. I think thinrichs will release to today or tomorrow. Any pressing changes that should be merged before then?00:09
masahitodo you know deadline of release note?00:10
masahitowe've not written releasenote about new architecture.00:11
ekcs_Hmm good question. I’m not totally sure, but it shouldn’t be a problem to change release notes in intermediate RC’s right?00:11
ekcs_hmm maybe we should get a draft of that in.00:12
masahitoI think so.00:12
ekcs_ok I can look into that. #action ekcs will look into release notes for RC100:12
ekcs_If possible I’d like to get this merged for RC1. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369750/300:13
ekcs_but it hasn’t been reviewed yet so maybe that won’t happen.00:13
ekcs_it’s important because congress fails to start under python3 without it.00:13
masahitook, I'll check it.00:14
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ekcs_Thanks! anyway I guess we can move on to the next topic.00:14
ekcs_#topic outstanding bugs00:14
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ekcs_We have quite a few new bugs. Thanks for all the testing effort! Are there any notable bugs we’d like to discuss?00:15
aimeeuI added more info to the bug entry for #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/162086800:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1620868 in congress "Stack trace returned to end-user" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Aimee Ukasick (aimeeu)00:17
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aimeeubut perhaps not as important as other bugs because it's not likely to happen that often00:17
ekcs_Got it. Thanks for doing so much work on it!00:18
aimeeuso I think if I can't fix it, you all can help after Newton has been released00:18
ekcs_I’m not following closely. But it seems we’re making progress, though ultimately still mysterious?00:18
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aimeeuyes - the problem is with the entire policy_engines/agnostic.py namespace "error" reporting, both CLI and API pass traceback to the user00:19
aimeeuresorted to using pdb command line debugger00:19
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ekcs_Right. Hopefully we can figure it out before final RC, but it’s not highest priority since it doesn’t affect functionality.00:20
ekcs_clarifying this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/160283700:20
openstackLaunchpad bug 1602837 in congress "Policy UI (Horizon): Unable to get policies list (devstack)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aimee Ukasick (aimeeu)00:20
ekcs_things work fine as long as we avoid keystone v3 right?00:20
aimeeuIt doesn't work in keystone v2 either00:21
aimeeuthinrichs verified that on 31 Aug00:21
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aimeeuworkaround is to use the API or CLI; I'll take a look at it again tomorrow00:22
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aimeeuI think it's been broken for quite a while00:22
ekcs_ok got it. that’s more serious then. Seems like something we definitely want fixed before final RC. I’ll see if I can help too.00:23
ekcs_So to prioritize our time and resources, I created a new release milestone newton-rc2 on launchpad.00:24
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ekcs_I’ll be tagging all the bugs that we can aim to fix before final RC with that tag.00:24
aimeeuok00:24
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ekcs_It’d be great if everyone else can take a look to and see if some things should be tagged that I missed or vice versa.00:25
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aimeeuI've also found bugs that are related to each other00:25
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ekcs_#action ekcs will tag bugs for rc200:25
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aimeeuso I'll add notes to the entries in launchpad00:26
ekcs_aimeeu: perfect. anyhting you want to talk about now?00:26
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aimeeunope - that's it for me00:26
ekcs_ok great. let’s move on to statuses then?00:26
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ekcs_#topic status00:27
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ekcs_masahito: would you like to start us off on status?00:27
masahitosure00:27
masahitoI'm working on the bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/162286500:28
openstackLaunchpad bug 1622865 in congress "control bus sends 3 hb message in one loop" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Masahito Muroi (muroi-masahito)00:28
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masahitoI think I can push a patch for it today.00:28
masahitoand also testing dse2 system especially about heartbeat stuff.00:28
masahitothat's from my side.00:29
ekcs_That’s great! Looked like a mysterious bug to me, but I’m glad to hear you’ve got a handle on it!00:30
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ekcs_aimeeu: do you have anything to add on status?00:30
aimeeuNothing more for me00:31
ekcs_got it.00:31
ekcs_Here’s thinrich’s status: After 15ish devstack installs, I've not successfully set up multiple devstacks to talk to each other.  Had some trouble with my laptop crashing, which didn't help.00:31
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aimeeuI can feel his frustration00:32
ekcs_Yea… I guess it’s expected to be hard though. doing multiple devstacks talking for the first time.00:32
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ekcs_And for me.00:32
ekcs_After a lot of wrangling with infra issues, I've finally gotten a basic haht tox test working. Will now work on adding more comprehensive testing, which should not be hard in comparison. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358927/00:32
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ekcs_Once I have that under control, I can give a lot more time to other testing and fixing bugs.00:33
masahitogreat!00:34
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ekcs_I’ve already mentioned the python3 startup bug I’d like to get merged before RC1. And there is another bug fix in review. That’s all from me.00:34
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ekcs_#topic open discussion00:35
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ekcs_Anything else we should talk about?00:35
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ekcs_masahito: since we have some time, I figure I’d bring this up and see if yo uhave any thoughts.00:36
ekcs_#link http://logs.openstack.org/32/369132/1/check/gate-congress-dsvm-api/d97ddb4/logs/stackviz/#/stdin00:37
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ekcs_I’ve been seeing this doctor failure in tempest every once in a while. not frequent and always goes away on recheck. any ideas?00:37
masahitohmm... I didn't see it before.00:39
masahitoInitializing event table looks fail.00:39
masahitoI try to reproduce it in my local.00:40
ekcs_ok great!00:40
masahitobtw, I didn't know the UI showing us gate log00:41
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ekcs_Oh yea it’s great. I didn’t realize it was there until the top level test results went missing for a while.00:41
ekcs_so I was forced to find an alternative.00:41
ekcs_The other things I’d mention real quick is that on this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369750/300:42
ekcs_The thing I’m not totally sure about is whether we need to support an eventlet server being stopped and started.00:42
ekcs_You guys know if there is actual case for that?00:43
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ekcs_By delaying the node creation to the harness, the eventlet_server module no longer has access to the DseNode to stop the node in case the eventlet server is stopped.00:43
ekcs_But I don’t think it matters. Just throwing it out so if someone knows otherwise they can tell me or comment on the patch.00:44
ekcs_Thanks!00:44
masahitoIf we implement graceful-shutdown, we could need the feature.00:45
ekcs_Ah good to know. What does graceful-shutdown do? kill an eventlet server without exting the process?00:46
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ekcs_And is there a case when the Congress API server would be called to gracefully shutdown without exiting the process?00:47
masahitoI'm not sure what eventlet server is in charge of now.00:47
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masahitoah.. eventlet server only works for API now?00:47
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masahitoIn that case, it sounds no usecase.00:48
ekcs_eventlet server still does non-API stuff. But it’s only in the API case that I can’t stop the node.00:48
ekcs_in eventlet server there is regular Server and APIServer classes.00:49
ekcs_I guess we can discuss over gerrit. Thanks for the note on graceful shutdown though!00:49
ekcs_Anyway I don’t have anything else to discuss. Lots of testing and bug fixing still, but it’s exciting that we’re very close to newton release and finally releasing the distributed architecture that’s over a year of work.00:50
ekcs_anything else or should we end early?00:50
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aimeeuI don't have anything else to add00:50
ekcs_ok then let’s end it. See you all next week!00:51
ekcs_#endmeeting00:51
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aimeeuthanks ekcs_!00:51
masahitothanks00:51
ekcs_thanks guys!00:52
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ianychoi_phoneHello anyone here for i18n meeting?13:02
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katomo#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:03
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 15 13:03:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is katomo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:03
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)"13:03
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'13:03
ianychoi_phoneHi13:03
katomoanyone here for i18n meeting?13:03
katomoHi13:03
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ianychoi_phoneI am going to home. I will be okay in 10 mins ;)13:04
katomoseems 2 people13:04
ianychoi_phoneYep..13:04
katomoianychoi_phone: do you have any topic to discuss?13:04
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ianychoi_phonekatomo: yep a little but i am going to home... Kk13:07
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ianychoi_phoneIn about 5 mins later I am fine to chat here13:07
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ianychoi_phoneSorry for that13:07
katomookay. let's chat later.13:07
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ianychoikatomo, i am back :)13:14
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ianychoiHmm.. still two people :)13:14
katomohmm13:14
ianychoiI would like talk first our i18n meeting time and reminder e-mail.13:15
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ianychoiCan I use #topic for this topic?13:15
katomoyep13:15
ianychoi#topic i18n meeting time and reminder13:15
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ianychoiHmm.. bot does not work properly..13:16
katomo#topic i18n meeting time and reminder13:16
*** openstack changes topic to "i18n meeting time and reminder (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)"13:16
ianychoiAha.. thanks!13:16
ianychoiI think a few months ago, we discussed better time for i18n meeting13:17
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ianychoiBut we still use 1st and 3rd weeks..13:17
katomoyeah13:17
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katomohmmm13:17
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ianychoiHow do you think about this? Should we need more discussion on mailing list, or keeping current status would be fine?13:18
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ianychoiI am not sure, but no reminder on i18n mailing list would be one of reasons why less people are attending i18n IRC meeting...13:18
katomoSince we have recently very few attendance, I think it is better to change the meeting time13:18
katomoit is my fault13:18
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ianychoiThat's fine :)13:19
ianychoiWe can think about how we make better things :)13:19
katomohowever, we are in PTL election for next cycle...13:19
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ianychoiHmm.. will you apply PTL ?13:19
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ianychoiIt seems that daisy moved to another IBM team and the team does not focus on OpenStack..13:20
katomoto be very honest, i'm not sure as of now. i'm very busy at now in my businees.13:20
katomoaga13:20
katomohmmm13:21
katomodo you?13:21
ianychoiI would like to help current situation better..13:21
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ianychoiI am not so familiar with lots of details.. It means that I do not know much details of how i18n is working with many other aspects.13:22
katomookay, any way... I must e-mail as reminder for next time.13:22
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katomoyeah, it is difficult...13:23
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ianychoiThanks to a lot of helps from you Daisy, Akihiro-san, I am getting more familiar with them. But I am not a guru..13:23
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katomome too :)13:23
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ianychoiYou are truly guru and also my best mentor from Tokyo upstream training :)13:24
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ianychoiHmm yep13:25
ianychoiAnyway, then, what would be the next meeting schedule?13:25
katomothanks13:25
ianychoiLet's see previous e-mails...13:25
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katomoOct 6 UTC 6:0013:26
ianychoihttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2016-May/002213.html13:27
ianychoiThen, we finalized to choose option 3?13:27
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katomoyes13:28
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ianychoiBut according to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2016-June/002220.html , French team prefers to 8 UTC than 6 UTC..13:30
katomoI will reconsider...13:30
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katomoyeah13:30
ianychoiAnd keeping 12 hours means that 6 UTC would be better?13:31
katomoI think so, but it does not work well...13:31
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katomoit is worth to try 8 UTC13:32
ianychoiYep AFAIK docs team irc meeting has 5 hour differences13:32
katomohow do you think?13:32
ianychoiSo that would be also fine for us13:32
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katomoyep13:33
ianychoiLet's change IRC meeting time for better participation :)13:33
katomo+113:33
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katomodo you have any other topic?13:34
ianychoiAnd meeting schedule.. 1st and 3rd weeks every month vs. alternating weeks..13:34
katomoah13:34
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ianychoi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2016-June/002220.html13:35
katomoalso, i think it is better to use alternating weeks13:35
ianychoi+1 :)13:35
katomogood13:35
ianychoiOkay... :)13:35
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ianychoiI have two more topics 1) stable-newton branch and 2) release-note translation13:36
katomolet's use bi-weekly UTC 8:00 and UTC 13:0013:36
ianychoiOkay +1 :)13:36
katomo#topic stable-newton branch13:36
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ianychoi#link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html13:37
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ianychoiSep 12-16 is Hard string freeze. So we might check string freeze status of Horizon-related projects and make stable-newton branch on Zanata13:37
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ianychoiHow is Japanese horizon translations going? In Korea, ujuc and me try to encourage more participations on Horizon translation.13:39
ianychoiAnd a good news is one translator from Red Hat AU recently joined to i18n Korean team, who also know Alex and Carlos :)13:40
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katomoJapanese translation for master is undergoing for Newton13:41
ianychoiYep. Then what time will it be good to create stable-newton branch in Zanata?13:42
katomoI will comfirm when we will have stable-newton branch.13:42
katomoUnfortunately, i don't know at now.13:43
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ianychoiHmm.. we had a kind of liason for some Horizon related project teams and i18n.13:44
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ianychoiLet's find and ask on i18n mailing list :)13:45
ianychoiCan I write it?13:45
katomosure13:45
katomo#topic release-note translation13:45
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katomowe have translation resource at Zanata now.13:46
katomoI need to create a patch to publish it.13:46
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ianychoiAha.. I see13:46
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katomoany question?13:47
ianychoiWhat would be a criteria to include publish? For example, >75% for all release notes on all projects?13:47
katomo75% same as other resources, as of now.13:47
ianychoiI am not sure but use of draft pages would be fine..13:47
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katomohmmm, draft...13:48
ianychoiAnd what if >75% for just Horizon?13:48
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ianychoiWill it be published just for Horizon release notes?13:48
katomo>75% for all13:48
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katomoeach resource >75% independently.13:49
ianychoiI think >75% always for release notes might be too difficult..13:49
ianychoiAlthough some release notes for one language is > 75% for Newton, after a few months later, the ratio would be less than <75%13:50
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ianychoiAnyway it is not a main issue. I wanted to know when release notes publish will be ready :)13:51
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katomookay, I will try at this weekend.13:53
ianychoikatomo, thanks a lot. Wow :)13:54
ianychoiAh.. and a question: the room allocation for i18n team on Barcelona is finalized?13:54
katomoyes13:54
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ianychoiWow good. When will we have? Friday morning and afternoon?13:55
katomowe have 1 contributors meetup.13:55
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ianychoiAnd for "1 workroom session"?13:56
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katomoafternoon13:56
ianychoiAha.. all will be on Friday.. thanks13:56
katomounfortunately, we don't have "workroom session"...13:57
ianychoiAha.... I see :)13:57
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ianychoijust 1 contributor meetup on Friday afternoon..13:57
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ianychoiActually I am also busy on my own business, but I will try to go for Barcelona just on Friday13:58
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ianychoiAnd what if no PTL nomination on i18n team?13:58
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ianychoiYou will be PTL for Ocata? :)13:58
katomoTC will appoint.13:59
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ianychoiOkay.. time is going to end. Let's finish :)13:59
katomoyes, thanks to join the meeting, ianychoi14:00
katomo#endmeeting14:00
ianychoiYou're welcome. Thank you, katomo !!14:00
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mfedosinCourtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting ): ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kairat, sskripnick, nikhil, Gb2116:00
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GB21o/16:00
mfedosin#startmeeting glare16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 15 16:00:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'glare'16:00
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mfedosin#topic agenda16:00
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mfedosin#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glare-meeting-agenda16:01
docaedoo/16:01
sskripnicksalem16:01
mfedosinwe don't have big agenda for today :)16:01
mfedosinso let's begin with updates16:01
mfedosin#topic Updates16:02
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mfedosinAs you may know a lot of things have happened with Glare during last several weeks16:02
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mfedosinnow there is a repo for glare: https://github.com/openstack/glare16:03
mfedosinpython-glareclient: https://github.com/openstack/python-glareclient16:04
mfedosinand soon there will be glare-specs16:04
mfedosinyesterday we merged all artifact types16:04
mfedosinand now we're ready to release16:04
mfedosinhere's a prototype a future app-catalog, that works upon glare v116:05
mfedosin#link http://r-ci.tk:8100/#/16:05
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docaedofrom the app catalog side we're working through the details and hope to start merging code for glare backend very soon16:06
mfedosincurrently they're working on automation deployment of app-catalog+glare16:07
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mfedosinrelated puppet was created yesterday16:07
docaedo(btw that prototype link throws a "502 Bad Gateway" right now)16:07
mfedosinsskripnick: ^ :)16:08
mfedosinit worked two minutes ago16:08
mfedosinokay, we'll fix it16:08
kairatheh16:08
mfedosinsorry for inconvenience16:08
sskripnick-_-16:09
sskripnickim updating it right now16:09
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sskripnicksorry %)16:09
mfedosinmaybe there were too many requests :D16:09
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kairathabraeffect))16:09
sskripnickgimme few more seconds)16:09
mfedosinokay, never mind16:09
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mfedosinso, I believe next week there will be new app-catalog16:10
sskripnickhttp://r-ci.tk:8100/16:10
sskripnickit works now16:10
sskripnicklatest possible version -_-16:10
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mfedosinthat's good16:11
mfedosinmurano and heat teams are working in parallel to integrate their projects with glare16:11
mfedosinI'm not sure about tacker16:11
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mfedosinI think we should call some representative on our next meeting16:12
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mfedosinalso, team is working on tests for glare and glareclient16:13
mfedosinkairat made a prototype of unittesting framework16:14
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mfedosinand we'll start adding new tests there as soon as possible16:14
GB21That sounds interesting16:15
GB21I can also help with tests16:15
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mfedosinGB21: you are always welcome :)16:15
GB21Thanks mfedosin :D16:16
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mfedosinokay, let's go to our upcoming release16:16
mfedosin#topic Upcoming release of Glare16:16
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mfedosinnow we have absolutely working version of Glare that can be used in app-catalog16:17
mfedosinfor this reason we decided to release it on http://tarballs.openstack.org/ and pypi16:18
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mfedosinI'm not sure about versioning, but I'm okay to call it 1.0.016:19
mfedosinwhat do you think folks?16:19
docaedo1.0.0 works for me16:19
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mfedosinthat's good16:20
mfedosinafter that in 3 days there will be a deb package16:20
mfedosinthat folks will use to deploy app-catalog16:21
mfedosinI'll announce the realize date soon :)16:22
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mfedosinalso I want to discuss our release model16:24
mfedosin#link https://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/release_cycle-with-milestones.html#rationale16:25
mfedosinso there are several models release:cycle-with-milestones, release:cycle-with-intermediary, release:independent, release:cycle-trailing, and release:none16:25
mfedosinI think we should use either release:cycle-with-milestones or release:cycle-with-intermediary16:26
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mfedosinfirst one is used in glance, for example16:27
mfedosinso, they have N-1, N-2, N-3 milestones16:27
mfedosinwith the second model we can release glare more often16:28
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mfedosinkairat: sskripnick dshakhray GB21 which one do you like more?16:28
GB21mfedosin, what d u suggest?16:30
sskripnickI don't see big difference =)16:30
mfedosinI'm in two minds frankly speaking16:30
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mfedosinokay, let's use first16:31
GB21hahah, +116:31
dshakhrayokay)16:31
mfedosinrelease_cycle-with-milestones16:31
nikhil#vote release:cycle-with-milestones16:31
mfedosinyes16:32
mfedosinhi nikhil !16:32
nikhilhi!16:32
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GB21o/ nikhil16:32
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mfedosinshould everyone write 'yes'?16:33
nikhilmfedosin: I just scrolled back on the logs16:33
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nikhilmfedosin: are you planning to release more for newton for glare?16:33
mfedosinnot Newton, Ocata16:34
nikhilok16:34
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nikhil1.0.0.rc1 might be safer16:34
mfedosinyeah, they asked to investigate the benefits16:34
mfedosinnikhil: good point!16:34
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nikhilusually R-0 is the right time for <release>.0.016:35
mfedosinthere may be some nasty bugs we will catch only after the release16:35
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nikhilhttps://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html16:35
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nikhilyeah16:35
mfedosinanyway we're not an OS project yet, so we may not follow rules :)16:36
nikhilha!16:36
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nikhilwell it's not a official project, but with big tent glare is openstack!16:36
mfedosinI'll think about it later :)16:36
nikhilnp16:37
mfedosinokay, now let's talk about next steps16:37
mfedosin#topic Next steps16:38
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mfedosinwe definitely need devstack plugin16:38
mfedosincurrently we have one for glare 0.116:38
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mfedosinbut it's outdated and I believe it should be deprecated16:39
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mfedosin#action (mfedosin) propose a patch to deprecate g-glare devstack plugin16:40
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mfedosinthen we need artifact sharing + community sharing16:40
* nikhil thinks you may not need deprecation and directly go to removal16:40
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mfedosinnikhil: it depends, I'm okay to remove it completely immediately16:41
mfedosinbut some people may use it16:42
nikhilk16:42
mfedosinremember, glare v0.1 is a part of mirantis openstack16:42
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mfedosinabout sharing I want to communicate with timothy siman...uk16:43
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mfedosincan't remember his surname16:43
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mfedosinhe's implementing community sharing in glance16:43
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mfedosinwith glare it'll be easier because we already use 'visibility' column in db16:44
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mfedosinArtifact signing and verification is another priority for next month16:45
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mfedosinbefore the summit we're going to implement signing of artifacts, because it's definitely good for app-catalog16:45
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nikhilremember to not copy from glance and use the new cursive lib instead16:46
nikhilhttps://github.com/openstack/cursive16:46
mfedosinno-no, we won't16:46
mfedosinthanks for the link nikhil :)16:47
mfedosinDocumentation and api-ref is always a priority for us16:47
mfedosindshakhray has started describing our client cli16:48
mfedosinbut it's not enough, unfortunately16:48
mfedosineven if glare works properly I got a lot of questions, mostly from Heat, about installation and working principles16:49
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mfedosinand finally we need a plugin for searchlight16:49
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mfedosinGB21 told me that's she's working on it16:49
GB21mfedosin, yes I am16:49
GB21I just need someone to assign it to me16:50
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mfedosinGB21: I assign it to you :)16:50
GB21mfedosin, thank u :D16:50
nikhillol16:50
mfedosinbut we need to discuss it more, because there are some issues16:51
nikhilis this searchlight plugin or some new technology that has the plugin in glare for searchlight?16:51
mfedosinin glare we have dynamic artifact schema and some attributes may be different from artifact to artifact16:51
GB21searchlight plugin ^nikhil16:51
nikhilk ty16:51
mfedosinit's a little bit tricky to implement it16:51
GB21so we would need to discuss the mapping, I guess16:52
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mfedosinGB21 yep16:52
mfedosinGB21: join our channel #openstack-glare16:52
mfedosinokay, so, Open Discussion16:53
mfedosin#topic Open Discussion16:53
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mfedosinfirst of all I want to introduce you GB2116:53
GB21Hi all :D16:54
mfedosinher name is Geetika and she'll help us with Glare16:54
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GB21+1 mfedosin16:55
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GB21so for now, I will work on the searchlight plugin for glare and I can also start with some tests side by side16:55
mfedosinGB21: anyway, it's a sophisticated work :)16:56
mfedosinI'll help you with that16:56
GB21Thanks mfedosin , I appreciate your effort :D16:56
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sskripnickGB21: ;)16:57
dshakhrayGB21 we are pleased to work with you :)16:57
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mfedosinseems like kairat has left us16:58
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mfedosinso, if there is no more questions left, we can finish for today16:59
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mfedosinthanks all! it was our first new meeting in new status16:59
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mfedosin#endmeeting16:59
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oomichi#startmeeting qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 15 17:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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oomichihi, who's here today?17:00
dpatersono/17:00
scottdahi17:00
fricklero/17:00
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mtreinisho/17:01
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oomichiOK, let's start a meeting17:02
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oomichi#topic QA Code Sprint17:02
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oomichi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/QAInfraNewtonSprint17:02
oomichiwe have mid-cycle meetup of QA/Infra next week17:02
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oomichiI have sent a remider for attendees, please let me know if some attendees dont recieve it17:03
oomichiThe topics of the meetup is written on  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-infra-newton-midcycle17:04
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topolo/17:04
mtreinishoomichi: we should also cancel next week's irc meeting because most people will be travelling17:04
oomichiGood enough topics on now17:04
oomichimtreinish: +117:04
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oomichiyeah, the next meeting is not our timezone, but I will send a mail for the notification17:04
oomichithanks for picking it up17:04
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oomichi#action oomichi sends a mail of cancellaration of next meeting17:05
oomichiplease write more topics on the etherpad if having17:05
oomichi#link  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-infra-newton-midcycle17:05
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oomichiok, I am guessing we have prepared for the next meetup :)17:06
oomichilet's move on if not having more topic about the meetup17:06
oomichi#topic Next OpenStack Summit17:07
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oomichithis is just a notification, QA team has 7 design session slots for the next summit.17:07
mtreinishdo we have a planning etherpad up yet?17:07
oomichithat is as our expectation, and we will need to consider what discussions should be on the summit after the meetup17:08
oomichimtreinish: we will have the meetup nextweek before the summit17:08
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oomichimtreinish: so it is good to prepare the etherpad after :)17:08
oomichibased on the meetup discussion17:09
mtreinishoomichi: sure, but not everyone will be at the meetup and there are some topics we won't necessarily have time to discuss in walldorf next week17:09
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mtreinishit doesnt hurt to have the etherpad setup and available so people can add to it now17:09
oomichimtreinish: That makes sense. ok, I will prepare the etherpad for next summit17:10
oomichi#action oomichi creates/prepare an etherpad for the next summit17:10
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oomichiOK, lets move on if we dont have more topics for next summit17:11
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oomichi#Spec Reviews17:11
oomichi#topic Spec Reviews17:12
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oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z17:12
oomichiI pushed some patches for the cleanup17:12
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oomichiand some specs still need to be reviewed. tempest-stable-fixtures and resource17:13
oomichihappy if getting more eyes17:13
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oomichianyone have thinking about qa-specs?17:14
mtreinishoomichi: well I have some general thoughts about it, because we've been not so good about specs in newton (or mitaka too)17:14
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mtreinishso maybe we need to discuss changes to make the process17:15
mtreinishbut that's something we can save for barcelona17:15
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oomichimtreinish: yeah. on nova-specs, it has backlog dir. it is nice to have such dir on qa-spec17:15
mtreinishoomichi: we have the opposite problem, not enough specs and not enough reviews17:16
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oomichihumm, how about having some spec review day?17:17
oomichiin general, we don't requrie specs so strong in many cases like implementing test cases17:17
oomichithen we don't have so many specs now, I prefer current way.17:18
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oomichiand the remaining specs need more reviews to discuss, and the spec review day will help for moving forward17:19
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mtreinishoomichi: heh, a specs review day with < 5 open specs :)17:19
oomichimtreinish: yeah, right :)17:19
mtreinishbut it's just something I think we want to start thinking about for ocata17:19
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oomichiok, that will be a nice step for ocata because of the short dev time17:20
oomichiOK, Let's move on the next topic17:21
oomichi#topic Tempest17:21
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oomichiwe still are triaging bugs on tempest17:22
oomichiand the report number continues decreating like https://github.com/oomichi/bug-counter#current-graph17:22
mtreinishoomichi: it's kinda hard to tell there, the legend is over the graphs17:23
oomichibut still many open reports, so it is great if we have more helps for triaging17:23
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mtreinishoomichi: I'll take a look after lunch and push a patch to the repo to fix that17:23
mtreinish(and the color map)17:23
oomichimtreinish: yeah, I am not good at doing that. The help of graph is also great for us/me :)17:23
oomichimtreinish: thanks ! :)17:24
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oomichiyeah, the latest data is not readable on the graph, sorry :-(17:24
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oomichiok, the next topic of tempest is negative test on the agenda17:25
oomichiclu_: that is your turn?17:25
clu_hi oomichi, yes17:25
clu_What is the consensus on negative test cases?17:25
oomichiclu_: please go ahead17:25
oomichi#link https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/HACKING.rst#negative-tests17:26
oomichiwe have written the consensus on the above17:26
clu_yes, i've seen that blurb - but i still see negative tests in tree17:26
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mtreinishoomichi: I thought you and hogepodge were going to provide some more detailed guidance in that paragraph17:26
mtreinishbecause it's pretty high level right now17:26
clu_those that are similar to the ones i'd like the write17:26
oomichiclu_: basically, new negative tests should be implemented in each project repo17:27
clu_are there plans to move all negative tests into separate plugins per project?17:27
oomichiclu_: which project do you work for?17:27
clu_swift17:28
oomichiclu_: no, the existing negative tests are kept on tempest repo17:28
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clu_what about for interoperability? these are valid end user cases17:29
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oomichiclu_: if swift repo has functional tests, it is nice to implement negative tests on that17:29
oomichiclu_: yeah, that is case by case. that is reason why current tests are kept on tempest17:30
clu_yes, but tests for interoperability would be beneficial for tempest17:30
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mtreinishclu_: right I agree. But, we have to be targetted here. The negative space is infinite17:31
oomichiclu_: yeah, but tempest is not good place for all coverage of negative tests as the hacking17:31
clu_if we put new negative tests in a separate plugin, how do people benefit from it?17:31
mtreinishand we don't want to be in the business of fuzz testing every possible thing17:31
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topolSo one issue on this is having a perceived level playing field for interop tests as opposed to being in  a project.  And so when I had conversations with TC folks in Austin Tempest was the agreed to levele playing field17:31
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mtreinishtopol: right I agree, that's why I was saying we include some negative test17:32
mtreinishI don't know which patch this is in reference too17:32
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mtreinishbut we just need to be cautious about adding negative tests, ebcause it's a slippery slope where everyone wants to add a test that has '$" or a 'DROP TABLE' in it17:33
clu_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308508/17:33
mtreinishwe had to say no to all negative tests for a while because of that in the past17:33
mtreinishbut that was a couple years ago17:34
oomichiyeah, but it was hard to say at the time17:34
oomichiclu_: these cases are implemented in swift side?17:35
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mtreinishyeah looking through those test cases, I'm not opposed to most of them. They seem like some standard interop sanity checks17:36
mtreinishoomichi: this is why I was expecing you and hogepodge to expand on that section in the docs to provide more targetted guidance17:36
mtreinishbecause right now it's very confusing17:36
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clu_yes they are, but we've had customers say we work with said they wanted to see 100% compatibility, and for these tests to be tempest17:37
clu_because they wanted these to be picked up by refstack17:37
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oomichiclu_: refstack is picking tests from current tempest17:37
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clu_they want these new negative tests to be picked up by refstack17:38
topolinterop is gonna be a huge theme in OpenStack Barcelona and little steps like beefing up the interop tests also help17:38
oomichiclu_: sometimes, error response codes are wrong for each project team and they changed error status codes17:38
oomichithen it is nice to handle all coverage on each project. The policy of error status code is different from projects17:39
mtreinishtopol. clu_: I understand the desire here, and I think most of the tests in the patch are fine for inclusion personally. Rebase the patch and get it in a mergable state and I'll give it a real review17:39
topolawesome mtreinish, THANKS17:39
clu_mtreinish: i will clean it up17:40
mtreinishoomichi: and I really strongly think we need to reword that paragraph to include more details. Because it doesn't give us any real guidance now17:40
mtreinishoomichi: this conflict isn't going to go away17:40
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oomichimtreinish: OK, I see the point to avoid such confution.17:41
mtreinishand not having real guidelines on where we draw the line between an ok negative test for interop and a useless fuzz test is going to just cause problems17:41
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oomichimtreinish: OK, let's push a new paragraph after the meeting17:42
oomichido we have more topics for Tempet?17:42
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mtreinishoomichi: I had one quick fix for a pretty obvious ace condition armax found yesterday17:43
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37047917:43
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oomichimtreinish: oh, for gate problem?17:43
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armaxmtreinish: thanks!17:43
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oomichimtreinish: ok, I will review it after the meeting17:45
mtreinishoomichi: thanks17:45
oomichiis it fine to move on the next topic?17:46
oomichi#topic DevStack + Grenade17:46
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oomichido we have items for devstack and grenade this week?17:47
fricklerthere is a patch for devstack to unfail gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-identity-v3-only-full-nv17:47
mtreinishI don't have anything this week on devstack or grenade17:47
fricklersee https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance-store/+bug/1620999 and https://review.openstack.org/36967517:47
openstackLaunchpad bug 1620999 in glance_store "swift driver ignores user_domain_name and project_domain_name settings" [High,Triaged]17:47
mtreinishfrickler: do you have a link?17:47
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mtreinishah, you're too quick :)17:47
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369675/17:47
fricklerI'll update the commit message with nikhils comments after this17:48
mtreinishfrickler: ok cool, I've added it to my review list for after the meeting17:48
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oomichicool. OK, let's move on17:49
oomichi#topic openstack-health17:50
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oomichido we have items for o-h?17:50
mtreinishthere are 2 things worth mentioning17:50
oomichimtreinish: ok, go ahead17:50
mtreinishtimothyb89 got a mostly complete version of the nvd3 removal up:17:51
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/36393417:51
mtreinishthe patch still needs cleanup (and to be split, its too big)17:51
mtreinishbut he's looking for feedback on missing things in the ui17:51
timothyb89there's a demo with the changes as well: http://logs.openstack.org/34/363934/7/check/gate-openstack-health-nodejs4-npm-run-test/a48991c/reports/build/#/17:51
mtreinishsince it does change a lot of things17:51
mtreinish#link http://logs.openstack.org/34/363934/7/check/gate-openstack-health-nodejs4-npm-run-test/a48991c/reports/build/#/17:51
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mtreinishtimothyb89: heh, the mouse tracing is still is all messed up for me :)17:52
timothyb89the main difference is that it should perform a lot better17:52
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timothyb89mouse input is still a bit broken for high-dpi displays, though17:52
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mtreinishthe other thing was I started a WIP on adding a run_time graph to other pages:17:53
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/37091317:53
mtreinishit still needs a ton of work though17:53
mtreinishif someone wanted to help out on that, since I'm not sure when I'll get another chance to revisit it17:53
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oomichicool, I'd like to see it deeper after this.17:54
oomichimtreinish: thanks for introducing them17:54
oomichiok, lets move on next topic17:55
oomichi#topic building custome cirros images17:55
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oomichifrickler: is that your turn?17:55
fricklerright17:55
fricklerso I've written up my argumentation and rough plan at this etherpad17:55
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frickler#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cirros-respin17:55
fricklerI've been wondering how to do this for quite some time now, and when another round of cirros-bashing started earlier today in #openstack-neutron,17:55
fricklerI came up with this etherpad17:55
fricklermain question I want to raise right now is whether this project would fit under the QA team umbrella17:56
frickleror if you rather say "go to infra" or "don't do this, we will stick to cirros"17:56
fricklerI also must admin the smoser does not seem to like this plan, but I still hope that he might be convinced to join us in the end17:56
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frickler(I expected time to run short so I prepared this for copy&paste ;)17:56
mtreinishheh17:56
oomichifrickler: I feel it is the best to work together with cirros project itself, is it hard?17:56
mtreinishfrickler: so I think if we can work with smoser and cirros that would be the best17:57
mtreinishbut if it's an intractable problem then it fits fine under qa17:57
fricklerI've tried this since vancouver and it is very very slow moving17:57
fricklerit is also hard to get other people to contribute the way cirros is currently built17:58
mtreinishfrickler: yeah it's all lp right? (and does it use bzr)17:58
mtreinishthat workflow is very hard to get people to use17:58
fricklerbzr is pita, yes17:58
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fricklerand there is not CI and in the end smoser is the single head17:59
oomichiit is nice to get opinions widely I feel, how about sending a mail about that?17:59
mtreinishyeah, that's not a good situation to have something we depend on be in17:59
frickleryeah, that would be the next step probably18:00
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oomichiok, the time is coming18:00
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oomichilet's discuss on qa-channel18:00
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oomichi#endmeeing18:00
fricklerk, thx18:00
oomichi#endmeeting18:00
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rtheis#startmeeting networking_ovn18:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:01
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rtheishi18:01
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rtheislet's get started18:01
rtheis#topic Announcements18:01
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rtheisNewton RC1 has been released18:02
rtheis#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367621/18:02
rtheis#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103764.html18:02
rtheisfinal rc is in two weeks18:02
rtheisso focus now is on critical bug fixes for newton18:03
rtheisPlease see mail ^^^ when reporting such fixes18:03
rtheisMaster branch is open for Ocata18:03
rtheisany other announcements ?18:04
rtheis#topic FFEs, Bugs and Reviews for Newton RC118:04
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rtheisWe made good progress on fixes and features for RC118:04
rtheis#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-ovn-meeting18:04
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rtheisyou can see results ^^^18:05
rtheisNAT support, mixed DPDK and native DHCPv6 features didn't make it18:05
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rtheisany comments or concerns with RC1 ?18:06
* rtheis wonders if he is talking to himself18:06
rtheisanyone here ?18:07
zhouhanrtheis: you rocks!18:07
dkehnhere18:07
rtheisoh good18:07
zhouhanI can barely follow you :D18:07
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zhouhanHi dkehn!18:08
rtheis#topic Bugs18:08
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rtheisPlease focus on resolving any critical newton bugs for final rc18:08
rtheisI'm not aware of any now18:08
dkehnzhouhan, hi18:08
rtheisuse "newton-rc-potential" tag on such bugs18:08
rtheisDoes anyone have specific bugs to discuss?18:09
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zhouhanrtheis: I was busy on something else last week. Sorry about that18:10
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rtheisnp18:10
rtheis#topic Reviews18:10
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zhouhanrtheis: and I think it is good that the 2 racing bug fixes are defered to O18:10
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rtheissounds good, henryg suggested that we defer them18:11
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rtheisAs noted earlier, master is open for Ocata so we can resume review focus on features that missed newton18:11
rtheisAlso, I'd like to note several unit test reviews that I have in the queue18:12
zhouhanI saw you guys merged several fixes, and I am not aware of any RC bugs18:12
zhouhanok, I'll take a look18:12
rtheiszhouhan: thanks18:12
rtheisgoal is to improve ut coverage18:13
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zhouhan+118:13
rtheisAny other reviews to discuss ?18:13
zhouhanno18:13
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rtheis#topic Conferences18:13
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rtheis#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/18:14
rtheisopenstack summit is on the horizon18:14
rtheisI've started an etherpad where we can add topics to discuss18:14
rtheis#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-ovn-ocata-summit18:14
rtheisfeel free to update18:14
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rtheisalso, should we request a fishbowl, workroom or contributors meetup session?18:15
rtheisrussellb suggest that we get the team together at the conference18:15
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rtheisI can pursue one or more of these options... otherwise, we can do an informal session18:16
rtheisand we also have Open vSwitch Fall 2016 Conference:18:16
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zhouhanI can't attend so I will leave the options to you :)18:16
rtheis#link http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/announce/2016-August/000085.html18:16
dkehnrtheis, +118:17
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rtheiszhouhan: sorry to here that18:17
rtheishear18:17
rtheisanything else to discuss on the conferences?18:17
zhouhanmost likely I will go to ovsconf, hope to see you then18:17
rtheisI'm not scheduled to go to ovsconf18:18
zhouhanah, what a pity :(18:18
rtheis#topic Open Discussion18:18
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rtheisI have one final item to note ...18:19
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rtheisI've noticed some recent instability in our tempest gate jobs18:19
rtheisneutron team is fight a nasty bug18:20
zhouhanrecheck works?18:20
rtheisrecheck works18:20
rtheissometimes18:20
zhouhansounds nasty18:20
rtheisthe neutron bug may be impacting our gate, but just to be sure ...18:20
rtheisplease recheck with caution18:20
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zhouhanok, thanks for the info!18:21
rtheisI'm looking into more now18:21
rtheisanything else?18:21
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zhouhanI have a question though18:21
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rtheissure18:22
zhouhansince we merged native dhcp, it is not convenient to connect to vm18:22
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zhouhanfor testing purpose, shall we add an internal port for convenience?18:22
rtheisis this because of the lack of network namespace18:23
zhouhanyes18:23
zhouhanI'd like to know if you have better ways to do that18:23
rtheisI recall russellb documenting something on this18:23
* rtheis goes to look18:23
rtheishttps://github.com/openstack/networking-ovn/blob/master/doc/source/testing.rst18:24
rtheis"Self-service (private) network connectivity"18:24
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zhouhanYes, that is the internal port approach, shall we make it automated in devstack?18:25
rtheisI haven't tried recently18:25
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zhouhanmaybe not a big deal, if users know where to find this document :)18:26
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rtheisI suppose we could add a utility script to automate this setup18:26
dasanind_retheis: for the networking-ovn are the bugs reported in neutron?18:26
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rtheisdasanind_: the are reported separately18:27
rtheisnetworking-ovn https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-ovn/+bugs18:27
rtheisneutron https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs18:27
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dasanind_rtheis: thank you18:28
rtheisyw18:28
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zhouhanrtheis: cool18:28
zhouhanI think we are done today?18:28
rtheiswe are unless there's anything else18:28
rtheislast call18:28
zhouhanThis is efficient! Thank you!18:29
rtheisthank you all for attending18:29
rtheis#endmeeting18:29
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stevemaro/19:01
stevemardtroyer_zz: rtheis meeting now or did i miss it?19:01
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dtroyer_zznow I think19:01
dtroyer_zz#startmeeting openstackclient19:01
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rtheishi19:02
stevemaro/19:02
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dtroyer_zz#topic release19:03
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dtroyer_zzso last week we proposed a 3.3.0 release, which is being held until g-r is branched19:04
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dtroyer_zzand a lot has merged since then (yay!)19:04
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dtroyer_zzso I was thinking of updating the release hash this afternoon to include most (all?) of the new bits19:04
dtroyer_zzthoughts?19:04
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stevemardtroyer_zz: the g-r branch should be soon, maybe late sept at the latest19:04
stevemardtroyer_zz: definitely19:04
rtheissounds good to me19:04
dtroyer_zzstevemar: I was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that would happen once all of the RCs are cut, like this weekend-ish19:05
stevemara lot of good feature work landed19:05
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stevemardtroyer_zz: oh, entirely possible19:05
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stevemari heard later19:05
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stevemar¯\_(ツ)_/¯19:06
dtroyer_zzif it is much later, we can update it again19:06
stevemaryarp19:06
dtroyer_zzok, so beyond that, anything else release-specific?19:07
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rtheisnothing else19:07
dtroyer_zzok…19:07
dtroyer_zz#topic reviews19:07
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dtroyer_zzI finally have had some time to start working through my backlog19:08
dtroyer_zzhad a question or two19:08
dtroyer_zz#link https://review.openstack.org/36591019:08
dtroyer_zzany idea what the rationale for that one is?19:09
stevemarnope, i've been avoiding it hehe19:09
dtroyer_zzok, I've left it low on my list, was just curious if there was something I had not seen19:10
rtheisI haven't looked at it19:10
stevemarmaybe he thinks "image project" is a resource19:10
stevemarand "add" should always be last?19:11
stevemarsince it's the verb19:11
stevemarbut for add we always (?) use it as a transition19:11
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dtroyer_zzmy problem is I started heading in this direction with the mapping stuff in one of the network port reviews19:11
stevemarobject2 is added to object1  <object1> add <object2>19:12
dtroyer_zzand now I need to figure out why these are different things19:12
dtroyer_zzstevemar: right.   I thought project was an attribute attached to an image, not a separate resource that had a one-to-many relationship with an image19:13
stevemardtroyer_zz: i couldn't tell you confidently19:13
dtroyer_zzok.  this can wait a bit then19:14
dtroyer_zzthe other one I'm pushing back on a bit is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353931/19:15
stevemardtroyer_zz: yeah, i'm in no hurry to merge it, but we should let the author know if hes going in the wrong direction19:15
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dtroyer_zzstevemar: will do19:16
stevemarohh that one, huanxuan and i had a good discussion on this earlier, see comments in PS319:16
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dtroyer_zzI did, and it still seems a bit clunky19:17
dtroyer_zzbut maybe that is just me19:17
stevemardtroyer_zz: i like your idea of using --force to overwrite19:17
stevemarit's the inverse of what i was suggesting with --new-volume, and it's cleaner19:18
dtroyer_zzthat was one of the tings I want to talk about in general, quickly here, and probably in our FB session19:18
dtroyer_zzdo we do that anywhere else?  I think I've seen it once, and that was due to the API requiring it, otherwise I don' tthink we have any danger flags19:19
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stevemartheres the usual "force" option with volume deletes19:19
stevemarbut no, i think this is new19:19
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stevemardtroyer_zz: thought...19:20
stevemardtroyer_zz: can't multiple volumes have the same name?19:21
stevemarso even if --force is used, then there's a chance that we'll overwrite the wrong one?19:21
dtroyer_zzso, uh, yeah, that's an issue I didn't catch19:21
stevemaror the cinder API will return something that is not a conflict19:21
dtroyer_zzwhat does create do about that now?19:22
stevemari think it just creates a new one with a different ID19:22
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dtroyer_zzto a user, I am thinking this is either a 'replace exiting' or a 'create new', and the two need to be clear19:23
dtroyer_zzso yeah, —new-volume helps in that regard19:24
stevemarthe issue is with 'replace existing' -- they can supply a name and many can be returned19:24
stevemaror the first find, i forget how the API acts19:24
dtroyer_zzthis is one area we should start exposing the same behaviour to users…19:26
dtroyer_zzand ambiguity is not our friend ;)19:26
dtroyer_zzthat was my short list, any others?19:27
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stevemarumm19:28
stevemaroh the manage commands19:28
stevemarfor volume stuff19:28
stevemarthose are... weird as heck19:28
dtroyer_zzyeah, I don't want manage/unmanage, that's almost as bad as 'action'19:29
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dtroyer_zzas much of that needs to be mapped into standard verbs as possible…19:29
dtroyer_zzin https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363574/ I'm pushing back on import/unimport a bit, not sure that is right, but a good example of what we need to do19:30
stevemardtroyer_zz: the trouble with pulling that all into 'create' is that we already use --source too :)19:30
stevemarto copy from an existing volume19:30
dtroyer_zzthat's a detail, then —backup-source or something19:31
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stevemari think i had one more19:32
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stevemarmeh19:32
stevemarno matter19:32
stevemaropen discussion?19:33
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dtroyer_zzsorry, yes19:35
dtroyer_zz#topic open discussion19:35
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stevemari was gonna tackle this one if i have the time: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+spec/compute-action-list19:35
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stevemarbut it'll depend on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280726/1419:36
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dtroyer_zzinteresting… the term 'action' scared me for a bit as it is also ised badly in Nova19:37
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stevemar`server list actions``19:38
stevemari dunno19:38
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dtroyer_zzso I haven't looked at purge yet19:40
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stevemareh, take your time19:40
dtroyer_zzbut I do think I have an outline of how we'll make that, and other commands, extensible to plugins19:40
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stevemarspread the knowledge :P19:41
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dtroyer_zzsimple: plugins will register callbacks that get called when necessary19:42
dtroyer_zzand as usual, the majority of the setup only happens once the command is being processed in take_action()19:42
stevemarmakes sense19:44
dtroyer_zzI've been wanting to refine the plugin interface anyway, so this will be v3 and we'll roll it out slowly19:44
dtroyer_zzand be a nice carrot for some projects that really want hooks, like in quotas and purge19:44
stevemari didn't realize how elaborate the purge command got19:44
stevemarthey offer dry runs, keep the project, delete the project19:46
stevemarworks with ceilometer, heat19:46
stevemarsnazzy stuff19:46
stevemara boatload of network stuff19:46
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stevemardtroyer_zz: there's also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370574/219:51
stevemarbut i pulled it down, and couldn't get it to work19:51
dtroyer_zzI'm sorry, keep getting interrupted19:51
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stevemardtroyer_zz: oh its fine19:51
dtroyer_zzuh, extension?19:51
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stevemarextension?19:53
dtroyer_zzya, why is there an optional thing?19:53
dtroyer_zzhow do we detect if it is there?19:54
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stevemardtroyer_zz: oh damn, i sent you the wrong link19:55
stevemardtroyer_zz: dammit19:56
stevemardtroyer_zz: here's the right one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/368768/19:56
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stevemari guess the extension thing is still a question19:56
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dtroyer_zzoooohhhh, I hadn't seen that yet19:56
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dtroyer_zzI need to study that a bit19:57
stevemarthats the one i couldn't get to work19:58
stevemarbut i assumed i was doing something wrong19:58
stevemaroh this one just came in hot: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371081/119:58
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dtroyer_zzbest part, though, is that bit all goes away soon19:58
dtroyer_zzyay, more work!19:59
stevemarwe should scan for places that called auth_ref -_-20:00
stevemaranywho, good meeting20:00
stevemarlots of reviewing to do20:00
dtroyer_zzya, thanks guys20:00
dtroyer_zz#endmeeting20:00
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cineramahi folks, looks like it's time for the dib meeting20:00
ianwhello20:01
cinerama#startmeeting diskimage-builder20:01
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cineramaour agenda is here20:01
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cinerama#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/diskimage-builder20:01
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cinerama#topic Bugs process20:01
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cineramaso greghaynes wanted to talk about the bugs process - whether we should use launchpad or not & cleaning it up20:02
cineramai closed out ~25 bugs last week when i had a look20:02
ianwis there really any other option than launchpad?20:02
bkerostoryboard20:02
bkeroaiui there is a migration process that can be done20:03
cineramai haven't looked in on storyboard in a while but my impression is that it's more suitable for some kinds of tasks than others20:03
cineramas/is/was/20:03
bkerowe also have influence on what it is suitable for since we have the principle authors as part of the project20:03
cineramai think the main point was really that if we're going to continue to use this we need to clean up any old-n-crusty stuff20:03
cineramathis is tru20:04
ianwan auto-close of old bugs might be ok?  i know devstack amongst others has done that periodically20:04
cineramaeven if we do import we still need to cleanup20:04
bkeroi can do some bug triage20:04
cineramathat seems reasonable20:05
cineramabkero, that would be great if you want to pitch in20:05
bkeroI'm sure there will be some things in there that I can't handle myself, but can always ask in channel.20:05
cineramabkero, please do20:05
cineramai had thought about having a more organized bug scrub day but i don't think that's going to work with people's schedules and/or primary responsibilities20:06
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cineramaanyone have any other thoughts on bug tracker?20:06
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ianwnot really, i think the honest fact is that if anyone is reporting a bug and expecting someone else to fix it, their odds of that happening are very low20:07
ianwbut i don't think that is a dib exclusive problem20:08
cineramathis is true. i'm not sure what we can do about that aside from recruiting more people to work on the project, marking bugs as lhf, etc20:08
cineramathe other part of the bugs agenda item, which might help with this, is whether we should add a bugs section to the meeting.20:09
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cineramai'm broadly in favor of this but not sure exactly what form it should take20:09
cineramapossibly discuss new or important in-progress bugs?20:10
bkeroadd it to the agenda once its identified to be important?20:10
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cineramacould be good, then folks will have an opportunity to review them prior to the meeting20:11
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cineramaanyone have any other thoughts on that?20:12
ianwyes, if we have a list before we start, that seems to bound the time we would spend on it20:12
cineramawhich is probably a good thing20:13
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cineramai'm going to say20:14
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cinerama#agreed Add key bugs discuss to meeting agenda20:14
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cineramaok next main topic20:14
cinerama#topic Dib 2.020:14
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cineramaso we have the feature branch now20:15
cineramathe main topic proposed was whether we should cut an RC20:15
cineramathoughts?20:15
ianwyes i merged most of our things from the 2.0 list in there20:15
ianwthere's still something wrong with tripleo i haven't got to the bottom of20:15
ianwand i want to merge the "put elements under python package" + "diskimage-builder as entry-point" changes20:16
ianwthe "pythonic dib" stuff20:16
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cineramathat sounds good20:16
ianwi'm trying to figure out how i can do that without causing very annoying merge issues20:16
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ianwbut so far, trying to use symlinks fails -- something in setuptools/pbr/... doesn't like it20:17
ianwhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/367156/ is what i'm talking about20:17
cineramahmm20:17
cineramabtw might be good if we can update the etherpad20:18
cinerama#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dib2.020:18
ianwalso i don't think i pushed it, but i have a similar change to remove the dependency for dib-utils20:18
cineramawith the current status of the branch20:18
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ianwlast i spoke to greghaynes & spamaps both were in favour of removing our dependency on that20:18
ianw*but*, in a world where people know to "pip install" dib, it's also less of an issue20:19
cineramaright20:19
cineramamakes sense20:19
ianwyeah, i can update etherpad20:19
cineramathanks20:20
cineramaany other thoughts on 2.020:20
ianwnot really from me20:21
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cineramaok20:22
cinerama#topic Open discussion20:22
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cineramaok it's all you20:23
ianwjust on release notes20:23
cineramagood topic20:23
ianwgenerally before a release i've been backtracking and adding something with important changes20:23
ianwobviously the idea of reno is to add notes to changes as they come in20:23
ianwso i think it's fair enough to request them in reviews20:23
ianwfor sufficient changes20:23
cineramayes, it looks like we've done per-release ones in the past but we should possibly move away from that20:24
cineramamakes it easier when we go to release i think20:24
cineramathings that change the behaviour of elements, scripts etc seems like a good bar20:25
ianwyep, or significant bugs fixed, that people might google for and hit the relnotes20:25
cinerama#agreed Move to request release notes to be submitted with review20:27
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cineramaanyone have any reviews that want special attention at the moment? i've been working on other projects this week so i haven't looked much20:28
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cineramaokay20:32
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cineramashall we wrap up for now?20:32
ianwthat's all from me20:32
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cineramabkero: unless you have anything, we'll close20:32
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cineramaok thanks everyone20:33
cinerama#endmeeting20:33
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bkerocinerama: nope, thanks :)20:43
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mriedem#startmeeting nova21:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 15 21:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:00
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takashino/21:00
* Vek waves21:00
auggyo/21:00
diana_clarkeo/21:00
alaskio/21:00
bauzas\o21:01
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mriedemalright let's get started21:01
edleafe\o21:01
mriedem#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova21:01
mriedem#topic release news21:01
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mikal.21:01
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mriedem#link Newton release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule21:02
mriedem#info Sep 12-16: PTL self-nominations open for Ocata21:02
mriedem #info Sep 15: RC1 - end of day today, PST21:02
mriedem#link newton-rc-potential bugs: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-newton-rc-potential21:02
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/370681/ is the last thing for rc121:02
edleafeYou look so small, mikal21:02
mriedem^ is a regression with setting mtu on ovs/linuxbridge vifs with the libvirt driver21:03
mriedemwhich is using os-vif now21:03
mriedemand os-vif doesn't allow overriding the mtu21:03
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mriedemjohn has that workaround up until ocata21:03
mriedemi think i'm going to address a thing in the unit tests and then +W21:03
mriedemovs and lb jobs have passed on that change at least21:04
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mriedemquestions?21:04
bauzasgiven the impact, would it be worth trying to first cut RC1 and then backport the above to rc2?21:04
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bauzasI'm bit chilly about the possible impact21:05
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mriedemovs and lb jobs have passed on it21:05
mriedemso i think we're good21:05
mriedemthere are some issues with the patch if/when we add more support, like vhostuser21:06
mriedembut by that time we should have this hack out and os-vif should set the mtu21:06
mriedemso basically no new vif type support until that's fixed in os-vi21:06
mriedem*os-vif21:06
bauzasyeah21:06
mriedemsean-k-mooney will probably care since he wants vhostuser support21:06
mriedemand he's os-vif core21:07
tonybmriedem: which wont be far off and can easily land in newton right?21:07
mriedemhuh?21:07
mriedemwhat won't be far off?21:07
tonybmriedem: the os-vif fix landing21:07
mriedemno21:07
mriedemit would require a new release21:07
mriedemand all the reqs stuff21:07
mriedemand you'd have to raise the minimum on os-vif in stable21:08
mriedemwhich we don't want21:08
tonybmriedem: ahh the reqs stuff :(21:08
mriedemha21:08
mriedemyeah, that stuff21:08
* tonyb has a sad 21:08
mriedemthat was my morning, but another story21:08
mriedemok so let's move on21:08
mriedem#topic bugs21:08
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mriedemthe gate is sad with neutron grenade failures,21:09
mriedemthe neutron team has been looking at that all day21:09
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mriedemhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1623732/21:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1623732 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops to fail with SSHTimeout" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Armando Migliaccio (armando-migliaccio)21:09
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mriedem#info neutron grenade is super sad https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1623732/21:10
mriedemthe only critical bug is the mtu one above21:10
mriedemfor rc121:10
mriedem3rd party ci status - vmware ci was flaky this week21:11
mriedemand has been off and on this release21:11
mriedembut not an immediate blocker21:11
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mriedem#topic summit planning21:11
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mriedem#link Etherpad for Ocata summit topics: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-summit-ideas21:11
mriedem^ is already getting busy21:11
mriedem#info Cross project summit session ideas are due by 10/1: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103657.html21:11
mriedemso if you have xp session ideas/needs, get those posted in the next 2 weeks21:12
* bauzas needs to delay his flight on the friday afternoon...21:12
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mriedemi know how you can delay a flight, but you have to be on the plane...21:12
mriedem#topic reminders21:13
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mriedem#help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty?21:13
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mriedemthanks to all triaging new bugs this week, especially bauzas21:13
mriedem<321:13
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mriedem#topic Stable branch status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker21:14
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mriedemwe have quite a few stable/mitaka backports ready for review21:14
mriedem stable/mitaka: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/mitaka,n,z21:14
mriedemmikal: ^21:14
mriedem:)21:14
mriedemnudge nudge21:14
mikalmriedem: I live to obey21:14
mikalmriedem: by which I mean, I'll try to get to them21:14
mriedemthanks21:15
tonybmriedem: I'll look at the also21:15
mriedemwe're about 1 month from liberty-eol21:15
mikaltonyb will remind me21:15
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bauzasthat's a bit early to ask, but when are we planning to allow newton backports ?21:15
tonybmikal: I live to obey21:15
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mriedemi'm going to skip subteam highlights, some meetings were skipped and those that weren't were basically talking about rc blockers21:15
mriedembauzas: after it's released21:16
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bauzasmriedem: k, wanted to be sure21:16
mriedemso 10/721:16
mriedem#topic stuck reviews21:16
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edleafemriedem: yeah, that was the case for the scheduler subteam21:16
mriedemthere were no stuck reviews on the agenda21:16
mriedemthis week most everything is stuck by design21:17
mriedemmoving on21:17
mriedem#topic open discussion21:17
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mriedema few things21:17
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mriedema newton retrospective,21:17
mriedemI'd like to hold a Newton retrospective next week, maybe at 1400 UTC -  any preferences on dates/times? This would just be an informal meeting  to go over what went well and what needs improvement as we head into  Ocata.21:17
mriedemOr would it be better to spitball pre-summit and then go over the  retrospective in person in a fishbowl session at the summit? If we came  prepared then we can more effectively use the 40 minute session to talk  about things to change.21:17
dansmithI vote for summit, even though I know not everyone will be there21:18
dansmithI think in-person for those kinds of things works well21:18
dansmithI'd like to specifically talk about placement21:18
dansmithin a retrospective manner21:18
alaskiyeah. in person is easier, but does leave people out21:18
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mriedemso,21:18
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alaskimight be worth doing both21:18
mriedemwe could have an etherpad with what went well, what needs to change,21:18
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bauzascould we imagine a bridge call ?21:19
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dansmithwe could do general before, and specific ones at the summit?21:19
mriedempeople can post and we can hash it out in person at the summit?21:19
dansmithlike placement at summit21:19
dansmithmriedem: or that21:19
alaskimriedem: +121:19
bauzasor what dansmith proposed21:19
bauzasor what mriedem proposed21:19
bauzas:p21:19
mriedemi just don't want to spend all 40 minutes in a session complaining :)21:19
mriedemretrospectives at work are usually 90% complaining21:19
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mriedem"joe brought in muffins one day, that was a thing"21:20
dansmithsure, but keeping to one topic will help with that a bit21:20
mikalIn retrospect, I hate you all?21:20
auggymaybe if there's an agenda of sorts and some ideas on what we want the outcome to be?21:20
tonybmriedem: you'd need to find a strong moderator ;P21:20
mriedemyes there would need to be an agenda21:20
auggyor rather, like what we want to get out of the session21:20
mriedemand an etherpad to fill out before that could help21:20
dansmithyeah21:21
edleafemikal: new information only, please21:21
mriedemare people comfortable with an etherpad? or would they like a private form thingy?21:21
mriedemi'm totally find with people dumping on me in an etherpad in public if it matters21:21
bauzasetherpads are private if you don't set your nick :)21:21
mriedem*fine21:21
auggyi think an etherpad is good, lets people have some discussions early on21:21
mriedemalright21:21
mriedem#action mriedem to start a newton retrospective etherpad and post it on the ML21:22
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mriedemand we'll plan that as one of the fb sessions in barcelona21:22
* auggy gets ready to complain about the lack of donuts in newton21:22
bauzasauggy: lack of apples, rather ?21:22
tonybauggy: but we *had* donuts!21:22
dansmiththat's true21:22
mriedemwe had costco cake21:22
dansmithtonyb: fixed the donus situation21:22
auggy:)21:22
tonybauggy: cburgess plied us with donuts in Austin21:23
mriedemoh right21:23
mriedemforgot about that21:23
mriedemaustin was long ago21:23
cburgessWhat?21:23
cburgessOh..21:23
mriedemmoving on21:23
cburgessYeah..21:23
dansmithoh right tonyb was the cake21:23
cburgessdonuts..21:23
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mriedemOcata planning - when do people want to meet for summit session topics?  What blueprints carried over from Newton that we should approve early? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/ocata21:23
* Vek shivers upon contemplating what will happen when spammers discover etherpad...21:23
cburgessI'll have to see if I can find some in Barcelona.21:23
mikalcburgess: we also accept tapas21:23
mriedemwe're going to have to cull the etherpad of ideas21:23
mriedemi think i might start filtering that list next week21:24
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mriedemand then maybe the week of the 26th we go over sessions?21:24
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mriedemdansmith: alaski: bauzas: jaypipes: ^?21:24
dansmithyup21:24
dansmithfine with me21:24
mriedemok21:24
bauzaswfm21:24
dansmithi'm lost thinking about afternoon donuts21:24
alaskiworks for me21:25
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mriedem#action mriedem to filter the list of summit sessions next week and meet the week of the 26th21:25
mriedemlast topic was a review request for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354617/21:26
rkmrhjHi all, about this patch:21:26
rkmrhjI reported a bug that "unexpected volume detaching" will happen by booting instance failure. https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/158728521:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1587285 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Volume status will be changed to "available" in spite of still attached to VM instance" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Rikimaru Honjo (honjo-rikimaru-c6)21:26
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rkmrhjSo I committed a patch 4 weeks ago, but it is only one person who reviewed my patch.  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354617/21:26
rkmrhjIf anyone can review my patch, please do it.21:27
rkmrhjI'd like to fix this issue until Newton release and backport to stable/mitaka.21:27
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dansmithrkmrhj: this isn't a regression in newton, so probably needs to be done after newton and backported to both21:27
mriedemit's huge21:28
mriedemso backporting is going to be questionable21:28
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mriedemand an object version bump https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354617/9/nova/objects/block_device.py21:28
dansmithmriedem: well, this fix is, but the thing needing fixing21:28
jaypipeso/21:28
dansmithmriedem: I think this is probably overdone and could be done lighter21:28
mriedemok i haven't looked at the root issue and what the proposed fix is21:28
mriedemsounds like dansmith has ideas for a fix21:29
dansmithmriedem: definitely don't want to apply this to rc2 given its size and impact, so.. backport is what we hope for I think21:29
bauzasI can see a cinder call ?21:30
rkmrhjdansmith: please point out on gerrit if you have comment.21:30
dansmiththis approach is really racy and leaky I think, and very heavyweight21:30
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dansmithbut yeah, I'll review when we're done here21:30
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mriedemok yeah the compute_utils stuff looks ray21:31
mriedem*racy21:31
cburgessI will comment that this bug scares me. As in the implication of this bug happening to a clients AZ concerns me deeply.21:31
rkmrhjdansmith: thanks!21:31
mriedem#action dansmith to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354617/21:31
mriedemok anyone else have other topics?21:32
mriedemnope21:32
mriedemok21:32
mriedemthanks all21:32
mriedem#endmeeting21:32
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